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smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for

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your support. Last hour talking about the bill that the

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state legislature is looking at to go after social media

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platforms for allowing kids under the age of fourteen to

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be on their sites, be able to sue them, they'll

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be able to find them, and whatnot. There are also

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other restrictions for fourteen and fifteen year olds. My view

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on it is no smartphones for anybody under the age

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of eighteen. Now, you know, lowercase libertarian, and so I'm

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kind of uncomfortable with an outright like advocacy campaign for

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gov CO to ban this stuff. But I'm hard pressed

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to see a reason why anybody under the age of

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eighteen needs a smartphone when they can have a phone

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that has texting, that has you know, phone calls has

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GPS on it, you know, a very limited, stripped down version,

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so you don't have all of the social media apps.

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So because just all of the evidence I've seen, it

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just creates more harm and doesn't really provide any good whatsoever. Right,

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So but again that like that it makes me uncomfortable

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to say gov CO should mandate that. I don't know

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where I'm and I don't really know where I stand

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on like getting the government outright ban it. But okay, fine,

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ban it. I'm convinced. No, I don't know. I wrestle

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with this. I wrestle with it. You know, maybe there's

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like a different level of phone you get at seventeen

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and eighteen that has the ability to take pictures in video.

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I don't know. I understand that people are going to

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find ways around all of this stuff. Always. There'll be

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black markets created, always, right, I don't know what the

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fines would be or the penalties or whatever you catch

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a kid who's sixteen with a you know, with a

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black market adult phone or something. Yeah, I haven't thought

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about any of that stuff. So, like right now, the

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first thing is to like set as a standard for

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the society with a penalty of you know, shame and

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an enforcement mechanism of essentially peer pressure among parents to

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not give the phones to the kids to make that

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the abnormality. Also, legislation was filed in the State House

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of represent Oh, hang on, before I get to that

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the new legislation. Let me did up some messages here.

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This was from Rayos who says, really appreciate your insight

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into that topic. And screenstrong dot org is the website

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no phone till eighteen, free more free play with friends. Yeah, like,

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those are the things that you can do to help

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combat the harms that social media has created. And it's

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mainly social media. And I don't hate social media. I

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just hate everybody on it. No, I'm kidding, but no,

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the juice is not worth the squeeze for the for

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the kids. It's it's just not seth says. I wonder

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how many kids in therapy would quit using their smartphone

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if the shrink told them that that's why they are said,

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that's a that's a good question, and that there is

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a connection. I don't know how many mental health professionals

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advise their clients reduce your smartphone use. I try try

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not to try to delete your social media apps. I mean,

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I can't do it. I mean I could quit anytime

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I wanted to, but I needed for my job. You see.

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So I'm different. But I honestly I use Twitter now

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differently than I did, probably even five years ago. I

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engage with trolls at a far less frequency than I

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used to. I would argue and mix it up with

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the trolls and all this. I don't. I don't really

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do that so much anymore. Okay, every now and again,

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you know, just to kind of convince myself that, yeah,

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still got so I you know, I'll take a bite

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of that forbidden fruit every now and again. But mainly

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I use it as as a wire service. What stories

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are moving, what are people saying about stuff? And then

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I bookmark stuff. In fact, I think probably using the

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bookmarks in order to flag things. That's that's now become

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my primary use of Twitter. I don't really use Facebook anymore.

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I have the accounts. I have an Instagram account. I

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think I've never posted because of what I do. I

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go out and I reserve my names on the various

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sites so nobody can take them. But I don't. I

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don't pull. Yeah, I don't post on these on these

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other apps because you spend what I spend way too

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much time on them, and I have a justification for them,

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because if I didn't have to do or if I

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didn't have to keep up with almost literally everything going

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on in the world at any given moment, you know,

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you always have to kind of be I talk about

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it like being on a treadmill. And you know, I

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took Friday and Monday off. I went up to New

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York and saw the parents. They're they're they're doing okay,

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but you know, they're almost eighty, so they've got some

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health issues going on. And so we went up there

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for for a long weekend to see them and I

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could and I was talking with them about this is

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that whenever I go on a vacation, I'm really like,

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if I take a week vacation, my vacation is really

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only about half of that time because the first three

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to four days I can completely unplug and I don't

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look at any social media. I don't look at the

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news or anything, because when I come back, nobody's really

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expecting me to talk about a topic that popped in

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the news and then went away almost immediately from a

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week ago. So I can tune out at the beginning

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of a week's vacation, but about halfway through, I now

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need to start ramping up again. I have to get

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back on the treadmill. I mean, I'm not gonna go

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like running immediately. Oh you know, started at like a

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level three. Just walk, you know, walk slowly, whatever, just

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kind of touch base, see what's going on, scroll through

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a little bit, and then put it away. But then

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as I get closer to coming back on air, like

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all like yesterday was, you know, going through the websites,

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going through the show prep material like that, that's just

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part of the routine. If I didn't have to do that,

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I wouldn't do it. And that's why I guess there's

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part of me. I don't understand why go on to

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all of the social media for so long. I guess

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maybe you're getting fed a lot of stuff all the

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time that's of interest, But I don't, like, I don't know.

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I I wouldn't go there. I wouldn't do it if

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I didn't have to. Now I can say that because,

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you know, because I do have the justification for it,

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So I know that I can say that, and you know,

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but I do enjoy the detoxing. I do. Like when

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I went up, I looked at it a little bit

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at the airport and then that was it for the

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first day. And usually on the weekends, I put it

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away on like Saturday, and I don't. I try not

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to look at my phone at all, you know, unless

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i'm eating I'll pull it up, I'll look through something

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and while I'm eating lunch or something, and then it

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goes away. So I try to make an effort. And

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that's you know, baby steps here people, baby steps, Okay,

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Chris said Pete. I don't think any kid still in

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junior high should have a smartphone or social media access.

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I say ban both outright for anybody under fifteen between

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fifteen and eighteen. Wait, so ban smartphones and social media

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for anybody under the age of fifteen between fifteen and eighteen.

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The high school years, they can have both, but comments

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and likes or dislikes should be automatically disabled, so the

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kids can post and view that they cannot receive any

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comments or likes and dislikes on their posts at all.

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Once they turn eighteen, then everything opens up like normal.

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This seems pretty reasonable to me. That's from Chris. I mean,

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that's an interesting idea. I don't know. Again. See, this

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is where the industry itself would really do itself a favor,

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really help itself out if it if they all got

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together and said, this is what we are going to do.

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We're going to set an industry standard. But they don't

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want to do that because the whole point is to

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get the kids hooked and to get their personal information,

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to get all the data points they need about them

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so they can market those kids. Because again, if the

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service is free, then you are the product they are selling.

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Always keep that in mind. You're the product they are

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targeting you with the algorithms and the data points that

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they're collecting on you. So when you watch that one video,

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now they know, hey, let's send more videos like that

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and let's sell some advertising targeting people who like to

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with Dean.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Dean, Hi, Pete. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: I am all right? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Son?

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Speaker 2: Really good?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm a good faker.

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Speaker 2: Hey. You were just talking and I had been to

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hear a lot of it that you were talking about

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smartphones and controlling them, and you know, all the everything

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you want is very good. But I just don't think that.

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I think it's like trying to get the horses back

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in the corral after the barn door has been open.

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I just don't think it's going to happen. I don't

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think there's a way to do it. People just trying

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to field that way.

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Speaker 1: Well, when the when the barn doors get open, the

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horses go out into the corral. But then you can

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you can bring them back into the You just oh,

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bring them back into the barn because they're just in

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the corral.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, let let me let me clarify that. Then

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I'm I'm interpreting the corral as the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: The uh, you know, and that would just be a

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corral less barn. So the open the barn doors, the

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horses get out, And so you're saying it'd be like

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closing the barn doors after the horses have gotten out.

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But I would submit not all the horses have gotten out.

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I would submit that there are pregnant horses still in

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the barn. They were not able to get out because

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they were pregnant, and so that's the next generation.

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Speaker 2: Ah wait a minute, I'm gonna have to consult with

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I'm not well, you know, yes, that's that's probably true.

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I can't I can't deny it.

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Speaker 1: Right, there are other generations that are coming along, and

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so if we take your approach, which is to say, well,

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we screwed up on, you know, not closing the barn

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door for those horses, so they're all now running wild

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and we could never get them back, so we just

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write them off. And so therefore we have to write

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off every subsequent generation of horse to come. I don't

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think that. I don't think that's logical.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, anything's possible.

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Speaker 1: No, I said logical.

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Speaker 2: How can I deny the future and nobody knows what

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it's going to be. I just say, if I was

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going to be a betting man and I was going

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to put money on it, I would bet I would

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bet against it being reasonably controlled because there's there's just

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I mean, there's too many incentives for people to work around.

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Speaker 1: What are the incentives for parents to give their kid

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a smartphone at the age of six?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with you totally, you know, but okay, So,

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but you just threw parents into the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I said. I included parents in most of the most

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of my discussion about it. Last hour I talked mainly

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about parents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how I agree with you. That's who would

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have to take the initiative. Unfortunately, the parents are deteriorating

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twenty years from now, families you know, who knows where

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families will be. You can't say the family's gotten stronger

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over the last twenty years or thirty years. There has

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to be you know, Yes, anything can be stopped, but

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somebody has to take the initiative to make it happen.

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And I don't I don't see anyone actually making it happen,

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maybe besides parents.

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Speaker 1: So have you ever has anybody ever said to you,

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Dean that you come across as a defeatist, as a pessimist.

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Speaker 2: No, really, more like a no yeah he no believe me.

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I was the biggest optimist in the world at thirty five.

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You know, the harder I work, the more I did,

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is they more involved you were? You could change things

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and all that. That's true. I just think that that's

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why the ignorance is bliss and it's not excited because

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they don't know. And the more you know, the more

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realistic you are.

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Speaker 1: No. Realistic is not the opposite of ignorance, which is

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not the opposite of being a pessimist. These are different things,

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Like I can be a pessimist and a realist. You

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but you like what you are advocating. And I don't

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know if this is just like you working through a

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thought or a position in real time. But what you

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are saying is like nobody can make these changes. You

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don't think anyone's going to make the changes, So what's

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the point. That's a defeatist mentality because that says why

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bother even trying if success is not assured?

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Speaker 2: No, I think you should try. I think parents right,

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So that's what we're doing. But that's what one off

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kind of thing. I don't think you can legislate. Yeah,

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I don't think success will legislate this or tree can.

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Speaker 1: You can do some things, It just depends on what

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they are. But you're rejecting all attempts at putting up

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any kind of guardrail, which again is a kind of

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defeatism because and I said this earlier as well, that

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there are always going to be these kinds of trade offs,

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and there are going to be people that make, you know,

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end runs around the laws and such, and you've got

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to talk about what kind of penalties that would incur

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in all of that. But to say then that, well,

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we just can't do it, that is again a that

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is a defeatist mentality, is to say that, oh, there's

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one hundred percent success is not on the table, so

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therefore we shouldn't even try to do anything. And let's

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just say it's the parent's job, right. But but parents

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are asking for help because you're dealing with a societal

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peer pressure campaign. And so government can actually help back

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up parents on some of these things. For example, in

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the schools, you can ban the cell phones in the schools, right,

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That's something that governments can do that would help back

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up the parents. So and that's why I bring the

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topic forward, and that's why the lawmakers brought their proposal forward,

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is to try to help support the parents who are saying,

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I'm not so sure I want to do this, but

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they're just under this relentless barrage of peer pressure from

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their kids, from their kids friends, from their kids friends' parents, right,

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everybody just constantly hammering away, and even the schools and

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the football and soccer programs and whatever, and they're like, oh,

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you got to be on the Facebook group or you

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of stuff in all cases, So Dean, I appreciate the call.

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Let's talk to Ray. Hello, Ray, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey Pete, how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good, I'm doing all right.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to bounce off your I think it

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was your last caller the where you made reference to

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his defeatism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dean, this is okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. It sounds like he is a defeatist.

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But I just wanted to give a little example. He

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seemed to be saying, you know, we can't let this,

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can't put the horseback in the barn whatever. But I

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would I would say there was a time in our

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history when there was no age limit on children smoking

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or buying cigarettes and tobacco and alcohol and using that.

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But they seemed to have got that under control.

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Speaker 1: Well to it, yeah, I mean smoking particularly, But it

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wasn't simply you know, the government actions. There was also

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you know, a pushback on the in the you know,

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in civic life as well, right to get kids not

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to start smoking at eleven years old, right to essentially

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shame people into allowing their kids to smoke that early.

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And then everybody becomes aware of this is a bad thing,

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you shouldn't do that, and that creates sort of the

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you know, a structure, a societal structure around what is

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acceptable and what is not right.

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Speaker 3: So that wouldn't that put that kind of in the

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same category as the self Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Phones, I mean I think so if you right. And

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that's the thing is the more people that stand up

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and say, yeah, you know what, we probably shouldn't be

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letting the kids have access to these things until they're

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eighteen years old, and we make we create a permission

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structure for that, and that then supports more and more

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families and parents that want to do the right thing,

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want to do the thing that's going to be in

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the best interest of their kids, that they will now

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have more support for doing that versus all of society

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saying no, no, no, give your kid the phone, give

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your kid the phone, and if you don't, something's wrong

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with you. You know. Now you go the other direction,

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say no, something's wrong if you do give your kid

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the phone.

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Speaker 3: Can I can I ask you one other quick thing?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Maybe, okay sure. I was just always wondered. I never

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could figure it out. If you could speak of just

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a minute to this thing of why is there a

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law that you can be drafted at eighteen and go

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fight in a war, but you can't buy a beer?

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Why is that? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Probably? What did they Because they raised the alcohol age

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after because it used to be eighteen, and then they

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raised it to twenty one. I don't remember the arguments

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for raising it. I mean, I wasn't a lot. I don't.

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I don't think I was alive. Did they tie it

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to federal funding of the highways? Did they do that?

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They say, like every state has to raise the drinking

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age to twenty one or else you forfeit your you

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forfeit the federal highway dollars?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm talking about the common sense behind it.

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It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: It's the limit people drinking at twenty, you know, nineteen

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years old that you know, are in college or not

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in you know, in service, driving around drunk, making bad decisions,

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driving drunk, causing accidents. Right, I assume that that was

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the rationale.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for answering that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I answered. I'm just guessing. I'm

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sure I think mothers against drunk driving may have been

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behind the push too. Maybe I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 3: Though, Okay, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, all right, Ray, I appreciate it. Good to

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hear from me. Yeah, uh no, I think that's a

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fair analogy with the cigarette smoking. Right. There are things

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that you know, government can do. There are things that

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government cannot. And that's why that's why I speak to

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this issue of the smartphone use for the kids, because

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I'm trying to support parents who want to, you know,

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create a different norm for kids. And just because we

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have messed up on one generation or two generations, doesn't

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mean we have to keep making those same mistakes over

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and over again. Right. As I said in the last hour,

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the research now is in. We do not have to

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wait anymore to find out what the long term impacts

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of this sort of stuff. But we know they've made

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the they've made the connections. It's very clear. So again

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just my opinion, but I would like to see kids

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enjoying childhood in a way that I don't think the

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last two generations have been able to because of the

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rise of the smartphones and the technological experience or experiment.

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I should say that we ran. It turned out not

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to be good. The outcomes were not good. Again, if

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you can show me some net benefit that the kids

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experience by being able to log in to snap Chat

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and TikTok and Instagram, and that those that those benefits

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outweigh the costs and the risks, I'm open to hear it.

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But again, I've been reading a lot of this stuff

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for about a decade on the research, and none of

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it comes back saying that. None of the research comes

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back saying, you know, on the whole, you know, having

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a TikTok account is fantastic for the kids development. It

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never comes out that way. So when do we say, okay,

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you know what, it didn't work. That is not good.

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Let's not keep doing that, Let's change course. All right,

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in schools and libraries. Standard disclaimer here, leftist educators, you

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did this to yourselves. Okay, yeah, because the other team

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politically speaking, right, the other side, And I guess in

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this case it means like like most normal people, not

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the leftist activist they are a part of public education too. See,

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that's the whole thing. Public education doesn't mean controlled by you.

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access to what materials, what's appropriate, what's not right. If

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you don't control all of the levers of power inside

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the public education system, well then I don't care. It

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doesn't matter to me. Your arguments don't matter. It's just

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all cover story for you wanting control so you can

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advance particular agenda. Right, because the other side gets an

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that turn at bat here, it's a public entity, they

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if they win control, then they get to do what

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they want to do. And they turned it over to

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you guys for a very long time, and now nobody

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knows how to read. So you did this to yourselves.

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House Bill four ninety five Parental Rights for Curriculum and Books.

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That's the name of the bill. It is filed by

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Representatives John Torbett from Gaston County Republican and Hugh Blackwell,

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Republican from Burke. It provides changes to the standard course

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of study in health education. It ensures age appropriate instruction.

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It establishes processes for selecting library books and health safety materials.

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It requires instructional material repositories so people can go look

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at what it is that you're teaching their kids. And

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it restricts public library access for minors to materials that

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are harmful to miners, so age appropriate restrictions. You can

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read more on this at the Carolina Journal Carolina Journal

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dot com. The bill prohibits instruction on gender identity, sexual activity,

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or sexuality from kindergarten through sixth grade, whether it's via

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school personnel or third parties. You don't get to bring

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in some activist group. It's like, well, it wasn't those

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teachers that were doing it for grade seven through twelve.

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School instruction in such topics will require parental consent, without

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consent mechanisms to be or sorry, with annual consent mechanisms

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to be established by the local school boards, so you'd

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have to read up it every year. There will also

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be a program for four and fifth graders focusing on

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puberty and biological changes. The section would be taught in

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single sex groups with no gender identity or sexuality content,

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and it would require parental consent for participation. That's what

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my school did lo those many years ago. He came

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in after school. It's like an evening thing on like

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a Thursday and a Friday. You picked one night to

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come in with you know, a parent, and you sat

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through a very uncomfortable film with mom or dad, and

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then you went home for a even more uncomfortable conversation.

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That's how we did it my day. Let me see,

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I got a message from Brandon on Twitter who says

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we spend an obscene amount of time explaining to people

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why our twelve year old does not need a phone,

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And Russ said navigating phones and social media as a nightmare.

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Our oldest got his first phone after age fourteen, years

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after most of his peers. As cautious and tech savvy

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as I am, I realized the hardware and the apps

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are designed not to be able to really filter or

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restrict anything for the younger one. We tried a dumbflip phone,

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good luck finding that finding one that doesn't have a

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built in browser, thus access to everything. We looked at

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GABB and others and ended up with two. Sorry, true

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me troom I. It's been okay, just okay. There really

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aren't any solutions, only trade offs. Probably the best option

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is not having a smartphone at all. All right, that'll

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do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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I could not do the show without your support and

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.