WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:03.439 This episode is brought to you by my newest supporters, 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:11.039 Don Cassandra, Gina, Jessica, Patsy and Ricky. Thanks for making 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:22.839 the show possible. Tonight, I'll be discussing a fascinating series 4 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.160 of events that caused one of my listeners to view 5 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:29.359 reality from a completely different perspective, and if I'm being honest, 6 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.600 it's made me question my initial beliefs on the subject 7 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:35.840 of the Mandela effect as well. There's a lot of 8 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.000 fascinating information to get to, so please sit back and 9 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:42.119 join me as I enter the strange and fascinating world 10 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:46.799 of the unexplained. I'm your host, Nick Ryan, and this 11 00:00:47.719 --> 00:01:07.760 is Paranormal Mysteries. The term Mandela effect was coined by 12 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.879 paranormal researcher Fiona Brome in the late two thousands. It 13 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.079 originated from her discovery that she and many others falsely 14 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:20.079 remembered Nelson Mandela dying in prison during the nineteen eighties, 15 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:24.040 when in reality, Mandela was released in nineteen ninety and 16 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:28.879 then passed away in twenty thirteen. So you're probably asking yourself, 17 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:32.159 what's the big deal. People misremember things all the time, 18 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:36.239 and you'd be right. Our memories are easily manipulated, which 19 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.239 is why I've always been interested but question the validity 20 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.120 of the Mandela Effect. But what you may not know 21 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.959 is that there are many people that have had firsthand 22 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:50.040 life changing experiences with this phenomenon, experiences that can't easily 23 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:54.400 be dismissed as false memories, experiences that point to something 24 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:58.079 far stranger that seems to be happening to our reality. 25 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.319 Tonight's experience comes to us from a listener that would 26 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.879 like to remain anonymous. In September of twenty twenty four, 27 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:10.120 Anonymous posted their account on the website Medium dot com, 28 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.120 and a couple of days ago, they reached out to 29 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.719 me directly and shared their story. What I found interesting 30 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:18.680 is that Anonymous contacted me on the very same day 31 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.560 that I posted a message on Patreon about the Mandela 32 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:26.520 effect and a possible link to the CERN laboratory in Geneva, Switzerland. However, 33 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.360 after talking with Anonymous, I learned that they never saw 34 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.520 that post, which in my opinion, is more than just 35 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:36.280 a coincidence. So, based on current events and the recent 36 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:40.360 shutdown of CERN's large Hadron collider this past June, I 37 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:42.759 thought that I should share this information with you as 38 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:49.039 soon as possible, so let's begin. This is Anonymous's experience. 39 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.439 I am a rational adult. I'm nearly fifty years old, 40 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.840 and I've never seen a ghost or anything that I 41 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.960 would think is in any way paranormal. I've been a 42 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.120 huge fan of horror movie since I was a kid, 43 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.240 and I've watched more hours of ghost hunting television shows 44 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.039 and the like than I could ever possibly count, but 45 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:11.599 I've still never seen anything that made me believe in ghosts, spirits, demons, 46 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.719 or anything of that nature. I would love to believe 47 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.680 that Bigfoot and the Lockness Monster are real, and I 48 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.639 have looked for evidence of such, but I've never found it. 49 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.599 Based on the size of the universe and the number 50 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.719 of exoplanets that have been discovered in recent years, I 51 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.919 definitely believe in life outside of this planet, but I'm 52 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.759 not absolutely convinced that we've been visited by aliens. I 53 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:36.639 have seen some fairly compelling evidence that we have had 54 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.840 other worldly visitors, and I think it's likely, but I'm 55 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.960 not completely convinced yet. That's not to say that I 56 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.560 think that any of those things are impossible. I just 57 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.800 haven't seen any hard evidence of them. I think most 58 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.319 conspiracy theories are nonsense. I believe that we landed on 59 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.919 the Moon. I know the Earth is a globe and 60 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.639 not flat. I do not believe that nine to eleven 61 00:03:57.800 --> 00:03:59.960 was an inside job. But I know that the UN 62 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.759 US government and the governments of nearly every country on 63 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:06.199 this planet are corrupt and have done terrible things in 64 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.000 their citizens' names. If I see an intriguing headline in 65 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:12.960 a news article, I actually read the article, rather than 66 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.279 making assumptions based on the headline. I follow up by 67 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.839 reading other articles by other writers and other publications about 68 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.120 the same events. I do this to fully understand, rather 69 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.800 than allowing myself to be sucked in by one person's 70 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.680 opinion or take on an event or an idea. Although 71 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.560 I was raised in the Church, I am no longer religious. 72 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:37.079 Most religions are not compatible with rational thought. In other words, 73 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.600 I am not easily fooled. Now. I know that my 74 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.800 memory is not infallible. There have been plenty of times 75 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.959 that I have gotten events confused, and certainly times that 76 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.000 confabulation has gotten the best of me and convinced me 77 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.199 that multiple things were in some way connected or part 78 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.639 of the same event, only to learn later that it 79 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.399 was merely a trick of the brain. I also know 80 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.920 that there is a difference between one but humans remember 81 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.639 and what humans know. I don't remember my name. I 82 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.040 know my name. I don't remember the alphabet. I know 83 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.360 the alphabet. I don't remember where I was and what 84 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:13.839 I was doing when I witnessed the second plane hit 85 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.000 the World Trade Center. I know where I was and 86 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:20.720 what I was doing. I remember that somewhere around nineteen 87 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.279 eighty six, I got a new bike. It was a 88 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.839 white Huffey with neon green highlights. I don't remember if 89 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.480 I got it for my birthday or for Christmas, or 90 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.920 if my parents just bought it because I needed a 91 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.560 new bike. I'm not sure if I got that bike 92 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:36.279 when we were living in the first house that I 93 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.240 remember my parents owning, or if it was the next house. 94 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.360 I think it was the second house, but I'm not sure. 95 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.079 I know that I got the scar that is still 96 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.879 on my left arm when wrecking that bike by sliding 97 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.959 on loose gravel riding around an unfinished cul de sac 98 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:54.839 in my neighborhood. That event is an anchor memory involving 99 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.319 that bicycle. I would not remember that bicycle as vividly 100 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:02.759 as I do. If it had not been for that event, now, 101 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:04.800 many of you will not believe the story that I'm 102 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.560 going to tell you. You will think that I'm either confused, 103 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:11.319 a lunatic, or even a liar. I can fully understand 104 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.279 that I was beyond skeptical when I first discovered what 105 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.839 many people refer to as the Mandela effect. I could 106 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.319 never have imagined that I would believe what I do 107 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.759 today when I first learned of it. I cannot prove 108 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.360 any of what I'm about to tell you. By using 109 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.319 what most people would refer to as reality, you will 110 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.279 easily be able to disprove everything I'm going to tell you. 111 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.000 All I ask is that you read my story in 112 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.240 its entirety, and then ask yourself if it's really possible 113 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.439 that all of this is just bad memory. If that's 114 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:43.720 not possible, I hope that you can rule out the 115 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.720 possibility of me being a lunatic or a liar and 116 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.199 can understand why I'm left with no other reasonable explanation 117 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:52.639 for the things that I have seen other than that 118 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:57.040 in fact, reality has somehow been altered. I do not 119 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.240 claim to have an explanation for this altered reality. I 120 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.680 have some theories, but I don't think it's likely that 121 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.879 I will ever truly understand what caused this. In fact, 122 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.360 I would be beyond skeptical of anyone who claims to 123 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.720 know for certain what caused this, even after the events 124 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.079 that I've witnessed. I am not concerned about my mental stability. 125 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.199 I am not crazy or insane or delusional. And if 126 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.360 I ever claim to have discovered the answer to what 127 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.920 has caused this, I hope that I shall at that 128 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:27.160 point begin to question if I've gone over the cuckoo's nest. 129 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.680 This is a subject that receives ridicule on the level 130 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.600 equal to, or possibly even greater than that which is 131 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.680 laid upon the flat Earth believers. It's a subject that 132 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.399 I rarely discuss with people that I know, unless I 133 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.279 have felt them out, and I know that they have 134 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.759 experienced at least some of the things that I have, 135 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.480 and will therefore be open to discussing this rationally rather 136 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.279 than just assuming that I'm a lunatic or a liar. 137 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.160 I am not trying to get famous or make money 138 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.399 by telling this story. It seems like everyone is always 139 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.360 trying to sell a book when they tell an unbelievable story. 140 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.959 Not selling anything My goal is simply for you to 141 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.920 hear this story and hopefully be able to conclude that 142 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.360 I am indeed as rational as I claim to be, 143 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.000 but that this story is not possible in the reality 144 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:20.120 that we understand. Chapter one discovery. I suppose that the 145 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.439 best place to start this story is in the winter 146 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.680 of twenty fifteen, in twenty sixteen. In some ways, it 147 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.680 begins around nineteen eighty, but I'll get there later. I 148 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:32.519 wish I could tell you the exact date that I 149 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.360 first heard the term Mandela effect, but I cannot. It 150 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.080 seemed irrelevant at the time. I had no reason to 151 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.679 think that this moment was going to alter my understanding 152 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.039 of reality and even my life in the way that 153 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.519 it has. There was no reason for me to commit 154 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.519 that date to memory, and I formed no significant anchor 155 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:53.000 memory around the date. Although it has never been my 156 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.879 sole source of income, I have worked as a musician 157 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.519 in many different forms since nineteen eighty nine. On the 158 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.480 night that my discovery began, I was playing an acoustic 159 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.600 duo show with an old friend that we will call Eddie. 160 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.759 Eddie and I played in a couple of bands together previously, 161 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.360 but were in different groups at the time. If we 162 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.919 both happened to have an empty date on our calendars, 163 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.679 we would often play one of these acoustic shows together. 164 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:18.840 We had been doing this for about a year and 165 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.320 a half at the time. It was cold that winter night, 166 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.399 As is customary when playing guitar in a local bar, 167 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:27.639 once or twice a night, we would take a break 168 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:30.519 so that we could refill our beverages, use the restroom, 169 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.559 and go outside to smoke cigarettes. I think it was 170 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.879 the only time I ever played at that venue, or 171 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.559 was even there. It was on the east side of town, 172 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:41.240 closer to where Eddie lived, and while I don't remember 173 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.360 the name of the venue or even what it looked 174 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.240 like inside, I do have a clear visual memory of 175 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:49.919 the outside area where we were standing and smoking. When 176 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.320 Eddie asked the question, what do you think about the 177 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:57.399 Mandela effect? He asked, what do you mean? Mandela certainly 178 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:01.240 had a huge effect on global politics. I replied, Wow, 179 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:04.399 you've never heard of the Mandela effect. No, I don't 180 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.360 know what you're talking about. Well, it's a phenomenon where 181 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.559 a large group of people remember an event or an 182 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.919 object differently than what history says it is. Well, no 183 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:16.679 one's memory's perfect. Yeah, but this is different. What do 184 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.960 you remember about the death of Nelson Mandela? Not a 185 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:23.080 whole lot, I said, Okay, A better way to ask 186 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.399 the question is what do you remember about Nelson Mandela's 187 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.639 life story? Uh? Well, he was in prison when I 188 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:31.679 was young. I'm not really sure what he was in 189 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.000 prison for, but it had something to do with apartheid. 190 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.679 At some point he got out of prison, and later 191 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:40.440 he was elected president of South Africa. It was a 192 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.960 pretty big deal that had seemed unlikely to occur in 193 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.440 the years prior. He became important on the world stage. 194 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.120 And then he died I don't know, sometime in the 195 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:53.200 last five years or so. Interesting. And he said, a 196 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.440 lot of people, myself included, remember him dying in prison 197 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.679 in the eighties. I then literally laughed out loud at this. 198 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.399 I knew that this was absurd. I have been an 199 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.320 active observer of politics and world events since my early childhood. 200 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.639 I attended presidential candidate rallies before I was even old 201 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:12.559 enough to vote, not because my parents dragged me to them, 202 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:15.840 but because I was intensely interested. I wrote papers in 203 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.200 school and I joined the speech team just so I 204 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.399 could talk about politics. I even convinced my father to 205 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.679 vote for a candidate of the opposing party for the 206 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.240 first and only time in his adult life. As a 207 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.240 result of those papers, I knew for a fact that 208 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.200 Nelson Mandela did not die in prison. It was a 209 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:37.799 ridiculous notion. No, that's wrong, I said, Okay, hold on, 210 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.799 here's another one. Do you remember those bears that had 211 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:44.120 the series of children's books. There was Papa Bear, Mama Bear, 212 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:49.480 and Brother Bear. Do you mean the Berenstain Bears. I said, hmm, yeah, 213 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.200 that's what they were called, But many people remember them 214 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.200 as the Berenstein Bears. That seems reasonable that many people 215 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.519 would get that confused. I said, Berenstain is an odd name, 216 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.960 and any names end with Steen. I even remember less 217 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.879 intelligent kids calling them the barren Steinbears spelled st ei n, 218 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:12.080 or even the barren Steen Bears spelled st e e n, 219 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:17.000 but it was Berenstein. Okay, he said one more. Can 220 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.320 you describe the Monopoly Man? Sure? I said. He's an 221 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.399 old guy with a round face that wears a suit, 222 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.000 a top hat, and he carries a cane. Anything else? 223 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.080 Eddie asked, Uh, he has a mustache. You don't remember 224 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.200 him with a monocle. Edie asked, oh, yeah, sure, I said, Well, 225 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:38.320 Eddie said he doesn't have one, really, I said nope. 226 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.960 Eddie replied, well, there's hundreds of different versions of the 227 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.639 Monopoly game, so I'm sure there are multiple versions of 228 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:48.480 the Monopoly Man as well. True, Eddie said, but not 229 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.240 a single one has a monocle. Hmm. I thought that 230 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.320 seems odd, but also easy to confuse. He is a 231 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.720 rich guy, and that's a common trope in media for 232 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.279 a rich guy to have a monocle. Well, Eddie went 233 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.639 on to quiz me about many others so called Mandela effects. 234 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.960 Most I got right and some I got wrong. A 235 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.399 few rubbed me the wrong way, but nothing that he 236 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.519 had brought up that night gave me any kind of 237 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.960 existential crisis. I was easily able to write them off 238 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.480 as my memory being imperfect, but this conversation did intrigue me. Nonetheless, 239 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:23.639 it wasn't because I was suddenly convinced that reality had 240 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.519 somehow changed, but I thought the idea sounded like an 241 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.840 interesting concept for a sci fi story. I've always wanted 242 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.159 to try my hand at writing, and even started a 243 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.559 couple of novels, but I was never happy with them, 244 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.399 and I abandoned the ideas before completion. As I sit 245 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.440 here years later writing this, the irony of the situation 246 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.240 does not escape me. I intended to write a work 247 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.440 of fiction on the subject, and instead I'm telling you 248 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.159 my true story. When I got home that night, I 249 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.240 poured myself a drink and I sat down at my 250 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.279 computer to start looking into what people online had to 251 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.320 say about the Mandela Effect. I wanted to start gathering 252 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:04.200 information from my upcoming writing. I quickly found Fiona Brom's website, 253 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.840 which at the time was Mandela Effect dot com. It 254 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.840 has since been converted to a YouTube channel and redirects 255 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.639 to that channel. Of course. The first two things that 256 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.039 I read about were the death of Mandela and the 257 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.960 Berenstain Bears. Many of the other things that Eddie had 258 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.879 quizzed me about earlier in the evening were listed as well. Again, 259 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:25.759 many seemed wrong to my ears or eyes, but in 260 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:29.279 most cases I remembered reality just as it was right now. 261 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.279 I thought most of them were rather silly. It just 262 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.720 seemed absurd that someone would get worked up over the 263 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:38.559 spelling of Oscar Meyer or even Oreo double stuff cookies. 264 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.440 It seemed even more absurd. When I read the possible 265 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.399 explanations for these quote unquote changes to reality, it seems 266 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.960 that many people were convinced that this was all proof 267 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.679 that we were living in a simulation similar to what 268 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.600 is portrayed in the Matrix movies. Others thought that it 269 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.200 was proof of alternate dimensions collapsing on one another, or 270 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.279 even our consciousness moving from from one timeline to another, 271 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.559 possibly as a result of what Cern is doing with 272 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:08.000 the large Hadron collider. Some thought this was proof of 273 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.480 time travel, and some thought this was all somehow being 274 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.840 manipulated by their god or even the devil. Even though 275 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:19.720 I thought that all of these quote unquote explanations were preposterous, 276 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.559 this was gold as far as sci fi plots go. 277 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:25.919 So I continued to read, and that's when it happened. 278 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.159 It would be many months before I understood how important 279 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:33.840 the next passage that I read would become. Quote. Many 280 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.799 people remember seeing a painting of King Henry the eighth 281 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:41.360 of England holding a turkey leg That painting does not exist. 282 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.960 Wait a second, hold on, what do you mean the 283 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.279 painting doesn't exist? Of course it does. I remember seeing 284 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.960 that painting years ago. I even know why it was 285 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.159 made in the first place. Turkey was not native to Europe, 286 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.519 only the Americas. Because England had colonies in America, turkeys 287 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.919 had been imported into England. It was considered a delicacy 288 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.559 and could only be afforded by the rich and powerful. 289 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.840 Henry commissioned this painting of himself with a Turkey leg 290 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.440 to flaunt England's power and money in the face of 291 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:14.720 its rival France. I didn't use the term at that time, 292 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:16.879 and in fact I had never even heard of the term. 293 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.279 But this knowledge of why the painting exists is what's 294 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:24.320 called an anchor memory. All the other things that I 295 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.879 had read about on this website up to this point 296 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.200 that didn't seem right to me were easy to write 297 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:31.679 off is bad memory because I had nothing else to 298 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.919 tie it to. This one was different. This wasn't something 299 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.120 that I remembered. This is something that I know. This 300 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.960 also wasn't just a misspelling or a different word in 301 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.200 a song that could easily be misheard. This is something 302 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.679 that I'm very familiar with that you were now telling 303 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.200 me just doesn't exist and never has. Nope, it wasn't 304 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.639 possible that this painting didn't exist. It's clearly been lost 305 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.360 to time somehow. I'm not sure how that would happen 306 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.080 between nineteen eighty and two and sixteen, but I suppose 307 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.559 it's possible, so I headed to Google. This had to 308 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:09.559 be wrong. Poor Fiona is just confused. The painting exists. 309 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.640 I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation that can easily 310 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:15.640 be found. Well, it didn't take long before I found 311 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.680 myself on Reddit looking at people talking about the missing 312 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:23.319 painting and other supposed changes to reality. I wasn't alone. 313 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.640 Lots of other people know that this painting existed. A 314 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.240 few of them even remembered the same explanation that I 315 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.519 knew about why it was painted. It was painted by 316 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.559 Hans Holbien the Younger, likely in fifteen thirty seven. It 317 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.559 was hung in Whitehall Palace, which was destroyed by fire 318 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.200 in sixteen ninety eight. All the surviving copies are just that, 319 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.960 copies made by other artists. There are plenty of them, 320 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.279 and they all differ a bit, but not a one 321 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:52.200 of them portrays him holding a turkey leg. In some 322 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.640 cases he's holding a pair of gloves in place of 323 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.400 the turkey leg. This is where it gets complicated. I 324 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.160 already know what you're thinking. You think that I and 325 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:03.880 thousands of other people saw the gloves and thought it 326 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.359 was a turkey leg and just got confused and have 327 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.759 been carrying around the wrong information for decades. I would 328 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.359 love to believe that, honestly, but that is not the case. 329 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.240 The gloves look nothing like what I saw and learned 330 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.680 about years ago. It also makes no sense whatsoever that 331 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.039 I and thousands of other people would insert a turkey leg, 332 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:25.000 of all things, into this memory. It's absurd for a 333 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.680 painting to show the King of England holding a turkey leg. 334 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.440 That's one of the reasons this painting is remembered so 335 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.319 vividly by so many of us because it seems so 336 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.640 out of place. In addition, you won't find anyone that 337 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.480 remembers him holding a pork chop or a slice of pizza. 338 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.400 It's always a turkey leg. This is when I learned 339 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:49.279 about what we that experienced this phenomena referred to as residue. 340 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.759 Residue is a reference to a reality change that appears 341 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.799 in popular culture writing or even news stories. There is 342 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.839 plenty of residue for the existence of this painting. There 343 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.319 was as a Happy Day's episode where the father dressed 344 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.319 as Henry the Eighth for Halloween, but referenced that his 345 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.039 costume was not complete until he had a turkey leg 346 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:10.480 in his hand. There is also an image of Cookie 347 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.799 Monster from Sesame Street, also dressed as Henry the Eighth 348 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.960 holding a turkey leg. There are dozens of other ridiculous 349 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:20.000 cartoon images of the same thing. Most of these were 350 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:23.079 not created until well into my adulthood, so it's not 351 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.680 possible that I saw these images as a child and 352 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.039 then confused them with what the actual Holbion really looks like. 353 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.839 It also certainly does not account for my knowledge of 354 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:35.039 the history behind the decision to create the painting. Now 355 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.680 most of you will ignore that and continue to believe 356 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.599 that I'm just confused, but that's not the case. I 357 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.519 knew about this painting well before I had ever found 358 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.000 any of those images. On a side note, if you 359 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.839 google Henry the Eighth Tricky Leg today, you will find 360 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:53.880 plenty of recreations of what I and others remember. Those 361 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.880 are not real. All of them are photoshop recreations created 362 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.519 by people that remember this painting to rep present what 363 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:05.200 it looked like. Unfortunately, these recreations now exist for almost 364 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.720 every reality shift in existence, and it only serves to 365 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:13.160 further confuse the issue. I ended the night confused, but 366 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.920 not in any way was I convinced or even humoring 367 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.599 the idea that reality had somehow changed. I was confident 368 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.119 that this painting was merely lost. For days, I didn't 369 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.880 look any deeper into the Mandela effect, but I did 370 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.519 spend countless hours online reading everything I could about the painting. 371 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.319 I found scans of old textbooks that I had used 372 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.640 in school, and in one of those books I even 373 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.559 found the Holby in painting No Turkey. This confused me 374 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.839 even more. This was a high school textbook. I had 375 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:44.759 known about this painting since elementary school. How is it 376 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.880 possible that I had seen the quote unquote real painting 377 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:50.640 in high school but didn't realize the turkey leg was 378 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.799 missing at that point. How was I, in my forties 379 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.400 walking around with all this information about a painting that 380 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:06.240 didn't exist before I continue. Please consider showing your support 381 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.200 by subscribing, sharing, and giving the podcast a positive review. 382 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.559 You can also visit me on Patreon, buy me a coffee, 383 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:15.960 or a PayPal, where you can make a donation or 384 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.519 become a member. You can even join my Patreon for 385 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.920 free and get access to future updates, and of course 386 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:24.160 just being a listener is the best support of all, 387 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:28.200 and I'm grateful to have you here. Now, please stay 388 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.960 tuned and I'll be right back. After these brief messages, 389 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:41.880 Chapter two exploration, I called Eddie the next day and 390 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.480 I told him about my night. He was surprised that 391 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.960 I had given the subject any more thought after how 392 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:50.319 I had responded the night before. Over the next few months, 393 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:53.720 we talked repeatedly about the subject, including the missing Turkey 394 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:56.880 leg painting and many more things that just didn't seem right. 395 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.680 Neither of us were at this point convinced or even 396 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:04.200 seriously considered that this was in any way paranormal or 397 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.079 beyond rational explanation. I was still sure the painting existed 398 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.920 but had somehow been lost. All the other things that 399 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.680 seemed wrong to me were easy enough to find reasonable 400 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:17.480 explanations for taking the mystery out of them. So many 401 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.640