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<v Speaker 1>That is the creepiest music, the scariest song I have

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard associated with anything on any kind of horror

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<v Speaker 1>movie or show or whatever. And that has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the guests we have on today and

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<v Speaker 1>the subject about which we will speak, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>with this John Kenneth Muir. He is the author of

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<v Speaker 1>many books about horror and sinnem and such, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just a hoop. I hope beyond our show the last

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<v Speaker 1>Friday along with at him go rightly. But He's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about today is the book that he's

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<v Speaker 1>written called An Analytical Guide Television's One Step Beyond nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine to nineteen sixty one. Again, it's one Step

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond and mandate. It burned an indelible market in my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>And John, thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith oh Man, I'll tell you what. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is that got me on this trail a

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<v Speaker 2>while ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably having about him insomnia and just going down.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever you know roads.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bled, but I guess I had mentioned something when

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<v Speaker 1>I had started using part of that theme song which

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<v Speaker 1>is entitled fear Uh for an intro and then someone said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know One Step Beyond still floating out there, And

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<v Speaker 1>then I started looking and and I came to your site,

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<v Speaker 1>and folks, I don't tell you right now. The link

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<v Speaker 1>is up there along with the link to the audio,

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<v Speaker 1>and John's a website as well, which is John Kenneth

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<v Speaker 1>Muir dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>All that's on my homepage. But there's a a transcript

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<v Speaker 2>of an interview that John did with John Newland, who

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<v Speaker 2>was your Was he your host? And to the Beyond or.

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<v Speaker 4>Something like that, that that did exactly your guide to

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<v Speaker 4>the world of the unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and uh, we're gonna talk about One Step yr.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about John Newland. But I'll tell you what, Uh, John,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You set up a little brief historical synopsis of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely One Step Beyond, which was originally called alco of

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<v Speaker 4>Prisons because back in the day of the late fifties

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<v Speaker 4>early sixties, we had companies sponsoring a whole hour or

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<v Speaker 4>half hour of entertainment on television as a post to

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<v Speaker 4>today where we have various companies doing it. So One

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<v Speaker 4>Step Beyond was originally called ALCOA Presents One Step Beyond,

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<v Speaker 4>but It was a paranormal anthology that premiered in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>fifty nine, actually ten months before Rod Sterling's The Twilight Zone.

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<v Speaker 4>And John Newland, who was a star of sort of

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<v Speaker 4>golden age television, was not only the host of the series,

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<v Speaker 4>but he actually directed all ninety six segments.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>He was very aware of what TV was like at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and he had guest starred in a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of shows, and he wanted to do for his show

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<v Speaker 4>one step beyond, something very different, instead of focusing on

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<v Speaker 4>sort of supernatural horror like later shows like a Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Gallery that was a Starling production. Also, was it not.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely like you got it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Instead of just doing that, what he wanted to do

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<v Speaker 4>was investigate the paranormal, and so all of his stories

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<v Speaker 4>he wanted to have some foot in reality, and so

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<v Speaker 4>when he narrated, he would say things like, what you

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<v Speaker 4>were about to see, as a matter of human record,

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<v Speaker 4>explain it. We cannot disprove it, we cannot know it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that sort of thing where that he actually tried

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<v Speaker 4>to invest investigate all of.

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<v Speaker 3>These paranormal events.

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<v Speaker 4>And so in the course of the three years and

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<v Speaker 4>ninety six half hour episodes that One Step Beyond was

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<v Speaker 4>on television. You know, they did things like they did

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<v Speaker 4>cases involving reincarnation, big foot sightings, They even did a

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<v Speaker 4>biography of Peter Herko's a famous psychic at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>They did, you know, crisis apparitions and premonitions and clairvoyants

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<v Speaker 4>and automatic writing. And basically what made the show so

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<v Speaker 4>special was not just this amazing and moody black and

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<v Speaker 4>white photography, but the sense that the people who made

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<v Speaker 4>the show tried very very hard to follow what the

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<v Speaker 4>literature of paranormal studies were at that time. In other words,

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<v Speaker 4>if there was going to be an apparition, they wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to portray the apparition on the show as accurately as

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<v Speaker 4>they could according to eyewitness testimony and parapsychological lore. So

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<v Speaker 4>the show was not only scary, it was in a

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<v Speaker 4>sense really based on fact.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the interesting things.

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<v Speaker 4>About Akivas and I know you know this because you

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<v Speaker 4>remember these episodes, but they would often tell a story

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<v Speaker 4>on One Step Beyond, and then in the last five

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<v Speaker 4>minutes of a half hour, they would bring on an eyewitness,

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<v Speaker 4>the person.

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<v Speaker 3>Who had experienced in the story.

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<v Speaker 4>For instance, there was an episode called title Wave in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen sixty about a deaf woman who was not able

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<v Speaker 4>to hear the call to evacuate when title wave was

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<v Speaker 4>coming in, but she was rescued by a stranger who

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<v Speaker 4>excuse me, who sort of hurt her calls for help.

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<v Speaker 4>At the end of the show, they brought on the

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<v Speaker 4>people involved. So it tried very hard to be accurate

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<v Speaker 4>and realistic, and you know that just made it doubly creepy.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what one step beyond was. You know, three

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<v Speaker 4>years ninety six shows some were shot in great Britain.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I could list the amazing actors who were

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<v Speaker 4>in the show.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got William.

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<v Speaker 4>Shatner in an episode, Christopher Lee is in an episode,

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<v Speaker 4>Warren Batty is in an episode, Claris Leachman, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>great cast and great stories.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just thinking back now because, as we've said before,

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<v Speaker 1>in those days of TV, there seemed.

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<v Speaker 2>To be a number of actors who were the usual suspects.

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<v Speaker 1>That turned up in almost every show, regardless of what

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<v Speaker 2>Then. Of course, ABC, CBS and NBC was still eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pound gorillas, you know, right, and carried a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of I guess story serials and I won't go into

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember like ABC, you know, had just a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of stuff done by Warner Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Chyenne and Sugarfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick and all this other stuff. And I mean some

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<v Speaker 1>of these actors would just be in all these shows.

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<v Speaker 1>And the same is true with One Step Beyond. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>John Newland himself, as you had said at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're spelling that any W L A N D.

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<v Speaker 1>John as John John Newland also appeared.

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<v Speaker 2>In other shows on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one thing that never fit when he played

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of part because of what he did on

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<v Speaker 1>One Step Beyond. He was a cowboy, you know, John

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<v Speaker 1>Newlan pulling the gun and saying, Okay, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be a heavy. It just isn't work. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>that was so out of cot but you I think

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<v Speaker 1>was on your blog. I'm not sure, but somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>it just perfectly about the way that Newlan presented himself

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<v Speaker 1>as the host. He said he was like a funeral

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<v Speaker 1>director who just found out that there was, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>numerous fatalities on the interstate and they're bringing the bodies in.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I had said that. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>I did. But that's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Great well, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Because he just had the slightest little upturn to

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was like, you know, you weren't sure

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<v Speaker 3>is he having you on?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he not having you on?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you weren't sure.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he took such a delight in the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the macabre elements of the series, and you know it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's you know today, it's it's very easy and very right.

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<v Speaker 4>How we credit Rod Serling with so much of the

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<v Speaker 4>creative genius of the Twilight Zone, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think the same you know, courtesy is really due. John

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<v Speaker 4>Newlan didn't consider he directed every single segment, almost one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred of one step beyond as well as opposed to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so that look that we're all familiar with,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it comes on two AM and it hits

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<v Speaker 4>you in this in the face, this aura of black

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<v Speaker 4>and white creepiness. You know, that's what John Newland did.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. So it's really an amazing accomplishment, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did it, they did it well, and they

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<v Speaker 1>did it understated. I mean, in the last twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've had to become in or if we're

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<v Speaker 1>willing to do that with slashing movies and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of gore and a lot of body parts. But back

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<v Speaker 1>then it was also lot like what Hitchcock did, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the turning of a doorknob, like a close up

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<v Speaker 1>the other side. But you you remember that set too

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<v Speaker 1>because he did two things. One he would do a

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<v Speaker 1>standard intro I remember, and he had this very plane

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<v Speaker 1>and of course it was black and white.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was this like gray background. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>what was spooky about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The shadows that were cast through that transom with like

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<v Speaker 1>the three spokes. Yeah, I mean I think they call

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<v Speaker 1>him transoms whatever they that decord. The thing is over

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<v Speaker 1>the front door, that's glass what it is. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>those those rays came in, I mean, the shadows came

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<v Speaker 1>in and it was like that just spooked me out,

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<v Speaker 2>And and then he would.

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<v Speaker 1>Also walk into the opening scenes stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Setting right right he exactly, he would he would come

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<v Speaker 4>in and he would interact almost you know, he'd be

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<v Speaker 4>there staring at the people like they'd finish their scene

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<v Speaker 4>So he was very integrated into the into the into

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<v Speaker 4>the scenes. And you know what was so amazing about

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<v Speaker 4>what he did is that some of those episodes talking

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<v Speaker 4>about such basic things. There's there's one like about a

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<v Speaker 4>girl who has a premonition that a chandelier is going

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<v Speaker 4>thirty minute is is this build up of suspense through

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<v Speaker 4>in her life and is the chandelier in the living

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<v Speaker 4>room going to fall or not?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And one is it going to fall? And what is

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's just such beautiful, economical, uh, storytelling to

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<v Speaker 4>hinge everything on one device, you know, tinge everything on

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<v Speaker 4>one idea, the idea of a chandelier, of a premonition

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<v Speaker 4>that that the chandelier in your house is going to fall,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and he would do spinning cameras around the chandelier,

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<v Speaker 4>low angles up. But yeah, it's just brilliant stuff. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, of course it was on a budget. It

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<v Speaker 4>didn't cost anything to make that scary episode.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, you make a good point, because what

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<v Speaker 2>they did was it was it. They used.

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<v Speaker 1>The solid storytelling techniques, especially the right and it was

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<v Speaker 4>I think he only did half hour shows for one

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<v Speaker 3>So you may be thinking of one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, No, I didn't know if he ever did like

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's well, I'll say it was. They did

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<v Speaker 1>TV horror shows if you will, what maybe not a

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<v Speaker 1>Living Debt was a low budget you know, horror films.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it wasn't a big expenditure, but they made

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<v Speaker 1>it work in black and white. Also, let's face it,

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<v Speaker 4>they're saying. You know, not all of these things, not

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why also I think it works still

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<v Speaker 1>Naked City. There you go, The Naked City. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they were doing the pretty dirty stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>But that's you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And The Defenders is another one I remember from those

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<v Speaker 2>It had to be like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It drew all the attention of viewers to the actors

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<v Speaker 1>and to what they were doing and to the cuts,

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<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't all this. You know, they never shot

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<v Speaker 1>was down in dirty stuff. And so this was in

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<v Speaker 1>one step beyond. And let me just set this up

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<v Speaker 2>Quick if I can. I do you know, do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember I believe that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Step beyond jumped day in time once. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any other schedule changes to them for any of the

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<v Speaker 4>Gosh, you know, I don't think so. I think it

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen in Great Britain because they kind of needed a change.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think there was just one schedule shift. I

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<v Speaker 1>I think, all right, I thought it's it changed a

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<v Speaker 1>day because all right now I'm watching this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we remember when new shows were birthed in the

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<v Speaker 1>old days. Was this a coming out in September of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it actually started in January fifty nine. It

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<v Speaker 4>actually you know, it started like the mid season or well, actually,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's the beginning of nineteen fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's what today we would call.

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<v Speaker 4>Them mid season, the show, you know, the fifty eight

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<v Speaker 4>to fifty nine season. See, And that's how it'd be

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<v Speaker 4>twilight Zone if these twilight Zone came around come September

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<v Speaker 4>fifty nine. But One Step Beyond had already you know,

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<v Speaker 4>which I had already been on the air for you know,

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<v Speaker 4>almost a year at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, now here's what happened. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>I remember. I'm going to go back and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to look into New York Times TV listenings when I

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<v Speaker 1>go back up to the university here and go back

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<v Speaker 1>into nineteen fifty nine or sixty and look at the

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, all the shows obviously are listed there.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I do remember is, and this is a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big discussion point, my parents whether they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>let me watch One Step Beyond because they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>admit it, but it creeped them out too.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it is craepy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember I would get you know, I would

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<v Speaker 1>do my homework, but boy, I used that over my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you, well, you better than the homework.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that homework i'd done, I think it was Wednesday night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. Do you know what day it was?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I it's been think it's been almost ten

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<v Speaker 4>since I wrote the book, and I don't remember what

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember which night it was actually on in

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<v Speaker 4>its original broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking it was a Wednesday night because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a school night.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that, and it was at some time when

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<v Speaker 1>I was allowed to watch it, so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>get my homework done and I had to get showered.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they got everything they wanted out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember the show before it was called Stagecoach

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<v Speaker 1>that I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even tell you one plot line stage Coach

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<v Speaker 1>because I was just sitting there, just waiting for one

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<v Speaker 1>step beyond the come on and when it started with

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<v Speaker 1>the music, and when it started with the drums and

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<v Speaker 1>with the one step beyond, you know, bang bang bang,

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<v Speaker 1>when that came on the screen, I was like already

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<v Speaker 1>gripping the arms.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the chair.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's great.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know the thing is, you know, I like

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<v Speaker 4>to always say that, you know, one step behind looks

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<v Speaker 4>like it was like transmitted. It does look like it

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<v Speaker 4>was transmitted from a twilight and you can watch it now.

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<v Speaker 4>It just takes you back to a place sometimes. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I was just really amazing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What you wrote that book ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized when I was looking in the book, because

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to recall the exact time, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>was one of the last people was fortunate enough to

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<v Speaker 4>interview John Newlyan's right, and I wanted to look up

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<v Speaker 4>and see exactly what the date was so I could

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<v Speaker 4>tell you. And it looks like I interviewed him on

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<v Speaker 4>the afternoon of October twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's not quite ten years, but it's like maybe nine years.

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<v Speaker 4>The book came out in two thousand and one, just

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<v Speaker 4>because the world of publishing is so, you know, so

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<v Speaker 4>much slower than you know, it takes a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>years to prepare and everything. But yeah, I was thinking that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I was so excited to talk about the Shins.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I'm going to get to go back and revisit something,

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<v Speaker 4>and I realized just how long it had been since,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I had actually watched all those episodes and.

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<v Speaker 3>Written the book. So yeah, it was it was nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine when.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it, Bah, I can't play and John Newlan

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<v Speaker 1>I was happy to find out because this doesn't often

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<v Speaker 1>work this way.

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<v Speaker 2>His on screen persona seemed very classy.

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<v Speaker 1>He managed not to get himself involved in any tabloid

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<v Speaker 1>stuff even back then because there still wasn't you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The National Inquirer was with us back then as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, He just seemed to be clean and sharp and

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<v Speaker 1>did his job, and you found him to be the

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman I was hoping he would be.

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<v Speaker 2>He was.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to tell you, he was just a delight

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<v Speaker 4>to interview. He spent probably two two and a half,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe even close to three hours with me on the phone,

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<v Speaker 4>and he answered every single question I asked, and he

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<v Speaker 4>didn't he didn't plenty punches, like when I would ask

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<v Speaker 4>him like what was your least favorite shower? You know

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<v Speaker 4>that they did a sequel series in the seventies and

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<v Speaker 4>syndication called Next Step Beyond, which you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know wasn't very good.

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<v Speaker 4>He was very upfront and honest about what the flaws

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<v Speaker 4>of that series were. He was just very willing to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the whole experience from One Step Beyond, the

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<v Speaker 4>Next Step Beyond. He was a straight shooter. He was

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<v Speaker 4>an open minded guy, and you know, he's truly one

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<v Speaker 4>of the great you know, I think television pioneers, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I sometimes I find out when I'm in

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<v Speaker 4>viewing people in Hollywood today that, you know, people who

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<v Speaker 4>I really respect and like on screen or who are

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<v Speaker 4>my heroes, I get to interview them and I ended

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<v Speaker 4>up not thinking much of them personally, and it kind

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<v Speaker 4>of makes me sad. But you know, that was not

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<v Speaker 4>the case with John Newland. You know, he lived up

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<v Speaker 4>to my expectations and you know, far far beyond that.

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<v Speaker 4>He was an amazing individual. And the only thing I

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<v Speaker 4>would want to add to that is that he did Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>he he passed away in January of two thousand and

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<v Speaker 4>he was eighty two years old, So you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>spoke to him in October ninety nine and he was

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<v Speaker 4>gone by January tenth of two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, was he still show up as attack

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever when you were talking to him.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, he was huge. Remember titles of episodes and things.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, you know, what was your least favorite episode

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<v Speaker 4>of One Step Beyond and why? And he remembered it

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<v Speaker 4>was called blood Flower. It's a not very good episode about.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a flower carrying like the blood of.

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<v Speaker 4>Revolutionaries since Nouth America or something. He said, all I

429
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<v Speaker 4>just thought that concept stunk.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

431
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<v Speaker 3>He was he was just a great guy.

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<v Speaker 4>And he remembered episode titled He remembered his interactions with

433
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<v Speaker 4>actresses like Suzanne Plachett or actors like Warren Batty. He

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<v Speaker 4>just remembered everything. He remembered specific shoots. He was able

435
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<v Speaker 4>to tell me a story about meeting Frank Sinatra on

436
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<v Speaker 4>the set of One Step Beyond shooting an episode called

437
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<v Speaker 4>If U See Sally. You know, it was just amazing.

438
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<v Speaker 4>It was really one of the highlights of my professional

439
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<v Speaker 4>career to be able to share that time with him,

440
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<v Speaker 4>and he was just very given.

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<v Speaker 3>I thanks to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was in a very pivotal spot. I mean,

443
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<v Speaker 2>not only had he been an actor and.

444
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<v Speaker 1>Now was the host of the show, but he was

445
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<v Speaker 1>also a director and so he know what he was

446
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<v Speaker 1>talking about. And I guess, you know, it might have

447
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<v Speaker 1>been a really interesting relationship for him to be involved

448
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<v Speaker 1>with this wave of new actors and actresses that would

449
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<v Speaker 1>soon be the bombs, if you will, in the sixties

450
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<v Speaker 1>through the seventies.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, absolutely you know, he told me fascinating stories about

452
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<v Speaker 4>what it was like shooting Warren Baby, and how insecure

453
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<v Speaker 4>Warren Batty was. He was an episode called Visitors, and

454
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<v Speaker 4>how he would come and watch the dailies every day

455
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<v Speaker 4>to make sure that he was doing okay, you know,

456
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<v Speaker 4>to see all the raw footage of.

457
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<v Speaker 3>Their episode and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I just did, you know, really amazing stuff

459
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<v Speaker 4>to learn about. You know, he told that story about

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<v Speaker 4>Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra is shooting a war movie on

461
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<v Speaker 4>the side of one hill.

462
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<v Speaker 2>And him doing it.

463
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Newland was filming if.

464
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<v Speaker 4>You see Sally on the other side, and Frank Sinatra

465
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<v Speaker 4>sent a messenger over to him and said, you know,

466
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<v Speaker 4>keep it down, John, we're trying to film a movie here.

467
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<v Speaker 4>And John Nowlan said, this is this is unbelievable. So

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<v Speaker 4>John Newland said he sent a message back to Frank

469
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<v Speaker 4>Sinatra saying, tell Frank he can go f himself.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we're shooting a TV.

471
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<v Speaker 4>And so John Nolan went back to shooting, not thinking

472
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<v Speaker 4>anything of it, and they said there was dead silence

473
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<v Speaker 4>on his set and he turned around and Frank Sinatra

474
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<v Speaker 4>was standing beside it behind him. You know, he was

475
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<v Speaker 4>standing right behind him, and he said, I got your message, John,

476
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<v Speaker 4>And he said Frank Snatra was wonderful.

477
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<v Speaker 3>They hugged and everything was fine.

478
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<v Speaker 4>But God, could you imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't say that to somebody from home, both in

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not. I mean that takes a takes bald of

482
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<v Speaker 3>brass to say that. Frank Sinatra, I think, uh.

483
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<v Speaker 2>And then so why don't we just say it all? Now?

484
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<v Speaker 2>I'm speaking with John Kenneth Muir. Uh, he's a.

485
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<v Speaker 1>Joysy boy who he understands where that's at. You You

486
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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Essex County, didn't you.

487
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<v Speaker 3>I did, absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the county doesn't go to. I mean, there was

489
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<v Speaker 2>no reason for me to go to Essex County.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really pretty county in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my friends were at Harrison so anyway, But be

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<v Speaker 1>that as it may. We were talking about a TV

493
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<v Speaker 1>horror show, and horror almost seems to be a little

494
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<v Speaker 1>bit too jurassic a word. Would you cold suspense me?

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<v Speaker 2>How did when you wrote the book, how did you

496
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<v Speaker 2>term that genre of of a TV show?

497
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<v Speaker 4>You know, it was very hard to do, you know,

498
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<v Speaker 4>I wrote the book sort of in the heyday of

499
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<v Speaker 4>shows like The X Files and Millennium and such. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I was very much comparing how One Step

501
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<v Speaker 4>Beyond treated these concepts and how newer shows did. So

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<v Speaker 4>I did sort of lump it in with the horror,

503
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<v Speaker 4>but I okay with you that it's really an imprecise.

504
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<v Speaker 3>Comparison. You know, there is really no comparison.

505
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's suspends thrills. You know, it is horror

506
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<v Speaker 4>in a sense. There was one episode called Ordeal on

507
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<v Speaker 4>Locus Street about this horrible thing upstairs.

508
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<v Speaker 3>It was like a fish boy and stuff.

509
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<v Speaker 4>So you know, occasionally it would go straight into horror,

510
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<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't like what you would think of horror

511
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<v Speaker 4>necessarily today.

512
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<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense, Yeah it does, and honestly I

513
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<v Speaker 1>would call it horror too, but you know, to me,

514
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<v Speaker 1>it was just so much classier than what we call horror.

515
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<v Speaker 4>Today, you know, right because today you know, you think

516
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<v Speaker 4>a lot about the special effects. You know, say, there

517
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<v Speaker 4>are a lot of remakes and things like that. You know,

518
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<v Speaker 4>One Step Beyond was really sort of an original initiative,

519
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<v Speaker 4>you know. There there had never been a show like

520
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<v Speaker 4>Get on television before. And that's another thing that John

521
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<v Speaker 4>Newlan told me.

522
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<v Speaker 3>He said, I was on the.

523
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<v Speaker 4>Set, you know, midway through the first season of One

524
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<v Speaker 4>Step Beyond shooting and he was called on the telephone

525
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<v Speaker 4>by Rod Serling, and Rod Serling asked to meet him

526
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<v Speaker 4>in person, and John Newlan said, well, sure, M'd.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Be glad to me.

528
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<v Speaker 4>They went to a restaurant together in la and Rod

529
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<v Speaker 4>Serling told him, he said, I just want you to

530
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<v Speaker 4>know I'm not going to rip you off, he said,

531
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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing a show called The Twilight Zone. He said,

532
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<v Speaker 4>but it's not you know, it's not paranormal, and it's

533
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<v Speaker 4>not about you know, evidence of the paranormal or you know,

534
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<v Speaker 4>documenting the paranorm. It's just an anthology of fantasy, science

535
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<v Speaker 4>fiction and horror. And that really meant a lot to

536
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<v Speaker 4>John Nowlan because, like I said, One Step Beyond was

537
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<v Speaker 4>one of the few shows like that on TV at

538
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<v Speaker 4>the time. And he said to me, he said, that

539
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<v Speaker 4>just proves what a class act Rod Serling was, is

540
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<v Speaker 4>that he took me aside personally. We met and he said,

541
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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to rip you off, John, you know,

542
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<v Speaker 4>instead of just letting The Twilight Zone premiere ten you know,

543
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<v Speaker 4>ten months later and you know, boom, there it was

544
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<v Speaker 4>and people would draw the comparison, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, you're right, he didn't. He wasn't

546
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<v Speaker 1>expected to do that, but he did that, and that

547
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<v Speaker 1>exudes class.

548
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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely and that's what John knew. I say, he's

549
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<v Speaker 3>just a classy, classy guy.

550
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<v Speaker 4>And you know, everything I read about Rod Serlings curly

551
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<v Speaker 4>indicates that that was really the case. But you know,

552
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<v Speaker 4>that was one of my favorite anecdotes too, because today

553
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<v Speaker 4>twilight Zone is so popular, it's been remade so many times.

554
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<v Speaker 4>It's you know, everyone knows what twilight Zone is. But

555
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<v Speaker 4>you know, besides, you know, a couple of diehards like us.

556
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<v Speaker 4>You know, people don't always remember how good One Step

557
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<v Speaker 4>Beyond was, which makes me sad.

558
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<v Speaker 1>And you had said to me, and I appreciate that

559
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<v Speaker 1>you said that, and it makes sense, you know, One

560
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<v Speaker 1>Step Beyond because it isn't remembered by too many folks

561
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<v Speaker 1>because obviously you got to be a fossil like myself

562
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<v Speaker 1>to have you know, been involved with it. I mean,

563
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<v Speaker 1>obviously my folks who watch it are no longer with us,

564
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<v Speaker 1>so well that's left are those of us who were

565
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<v Speaker 1>born you know, anywhere from what I don't know, you know,

566
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<v Speaker 1>mid forties. I guess you would call him the boomer generation.

567
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<v Speaker 1>And and and I don't know how many of them are,

568
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<v Speaker 1>you know, contact you and I look at the blog

569
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<v Speaker 1>and the people who are who you know doing fact

570
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<v Speaker 1>a post there. It does seem like some of them

571
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<v Speaker 1>are older because they say they remember watching it, some

572
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<v Speaker 1>have seen it in whatever DVD collections they get it on,

573
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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps even some independent stations that might be running

574
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<v Speaker 1>it in the wee small hours of the morning.

575
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<v Speaker 4>Well, and that's you know, that's how I discovered one

576
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<v Speaker 4>step beyond. I discovered it in syndication in the seventies

577
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<v Speaker 4>and it sort of, you know, rocked me back on

578
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<v Speaker 4>my psychic heels.

579
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<v Speaker 3>You know, whoa what is you know?

580
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<v Speaker 2>What is this?

581
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<v Speaker 4>You know because I ended up seeing it. I was

582
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<v Speaker 4>a young insomniac, you know, by the time I was

583
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<v Speaker 4>in middle school. You know that this show would appear

584
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<v Speaker 4>at two am and what you know, what is this?

585
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.519
<v Speaker 3>You know that this this is amazing? You know, it

586
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<v Speaker 3>was so scary and seemed to, you know, just.

587
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<v Speaker 4>Exude so much you know, creepiness and menace and and

588
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<v Speaker 4>it seemed to be you know, literally transported out of.

589
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<v Speaker 3>Some sort of nether world.

590
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<v Speaker 4>You know, before my eyes, and that's how I discovered it.

591
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<v Speaker 4>But you know, it very quickly moved out of syndication,

592
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<v Speaker 4>I think by the eighties. And now, as you said,

593
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<v Speaker 4>there you know many their ninety six episodes, but I

594
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<v Speaker 4>think onlyde the sixty are actually available on DVD, and

595
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<v Speaker 4>they're all you know, one step beyond its fall into

596
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<v Speaker 4>the public domain. So these are all sorts of you know,

597
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 4>they're not remastered things.

598
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 3>These are old prints you know, that have.

599
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 4>Been found at you know, local stations around the country.

600
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<v Speaker 3>So you know, we don't have a really good you know.

601
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<v Speaker 4>One step beyond collection, no definitive one step beyond collection,

602
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<v Speaker 4>which is I think unfortunate.

603
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<v Speaker 1>Well, and this is also bad news in a sense

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<v Speaker 1>because it had had it not fallen out of public domain.

605
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<v Speaker 1>The good news is some company would have gone ahead

606
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<v Speaker 1>and restored them and really done a great job. Yeah,

607
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 1>it would have cost something, but you still would have

608
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<v Speaker 1>had almost all of them preserved.

609
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<v Speaker 2>That just didn't happen, did it.

610
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<v Speaker 3>No, it didn't. It didn't.

611
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<v Speaker 4>The if you look at some of the DVD collections,

612
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<v Speaker 4>you can see where like the film ends abruptly in

613
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<v Speaker 4>a scene. And I actually got to ask John Newlan

614
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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about that because I was even watching

615
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<v Speaker 4>old prints when I on video when I saw it,

616
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<v Speaker 4>you know, when I was reviewing them all for the book,

617
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 4>and I said, you know, this scene seemed abrupt? Was

618
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<v Speaker 4>that you know with that because the film was damaged

619
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<v Speaker 4>with how you shot it? And he said, oh no, no,

620
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<v Speaker 4>he said, no, you know we did it right, you know,

621
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<v Speaker 4>but the I guess the print have just become damaged

622
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 4>and frayed, and you know some pieces are missing. You know,

623
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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's unfortunate.

624
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<v Speaker 1>All right now, I just want to I want to

625
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<v Speaker 1>be fair about this. A couple of things, folks. John's

626
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<v Speaker 1>coming back. He's going to be on the twenty seventh

627
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>for the ten pm to midnight Eastern Time show that

628
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Adam Gollrightley's going to co host as well. We're calling

629
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<v Speaker 1>at the Young Tamed Grass, you know a little hybrid

630
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of both our shows, The Untamed Dimensions and also Beyond

631
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<v Speaker 1>the Grassy knowl. So he'll be uh, he'll be in

632
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<v Speaker 1>on this. John's coming back to be with us for

633
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<v Speaker 1>two hours. So if you get a chance, folks, they

634
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<v Speaker 1>have to listen to this. He had a heads up take.

635
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<v Speaker 2>A look with all he has to offer because we're

636
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<v Speaker 2>goin to get into all the.

637
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<v Speaker 1>Other books he's written, and you know, any and I

638
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<v Speaker 1>would think John, would I be correct in saying this

639
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<v Speaker 1>that we would welcome anecdotes from folks across whatever genera

640
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<v Speaker 1>generational line as to you know, their favorite producers and shows,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Wes Craven, you know the Fripp and

642
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<v Speaker 1>aera stuff and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely know.

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<v Speaker 4>I love to talk to the horror genre TV or

645
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<v Speaker 4>film with with anyone who loves it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm looking forward to it.

647
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<v Speaker 1>All right, And that's gonna happen Friday. And again, the

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<v Speaker 1>website is John tannethmuor dot com. His books are all

649
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<v Speaker 1>up there. John didn't I didn't follow through. But somebody

650
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<v Speaker 1>is handling your publishing.

651
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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

652
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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, McFarland is Mike Farland right here, Okay, Yes, that's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they're the ones who released the One Step Beyond book.

655
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<v Speaker 2>That's right, all right? And you're okay because.

656
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<v Speaker 1>You know Amazon and some of the other online booksellers,

657
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<v Speaker 1>it gets a little strange with some of the authors,

658
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<v Speaker 1>but in this situation, I mean, you're fine with that

659
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<v Speaker 1>and going to McFarland.

660
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<v Speaker 2>Is just right. With you.

661
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 3>Is that is that great?

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<v Speaker 4>They can go to mcfarlande or they can go to

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<v Speaker 4>Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>All my books are are all right, Amazon or Barnes

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<v Speaker 4>and Noble, you know, and any any web bookstore carries

667
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<v Speaker 4>my books, and or they can go to the McFarland website.

668
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<v Speaker 3>That's right all right.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, folks, if you get a chance in between

670
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<v Speaker 1>when you hear this on Monday and between well that

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<v Speaker 1>those fourth days or so, you know, until John was

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00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 1>back on Friday, you know, please by all means take

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<v Speaker 1>a look around.

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<v Speaker 2>There might be some of my you know, pitch your

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<v Speaker 2>fancy for sure, and also.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on with whatever you might have to recount about,

677
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, your days with getting scared, when getting scared

678
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<v Speaker 1>was kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything else you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to hit, By the way, about the website so

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not remiss and telling folks the resources that.

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<v Speaker 3>Are there, no, you know, I think you got it

683
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 3>all you can.

684
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 4>If you go to my website at www. John Kennethy

685
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<v Speaker 4>or dot com, you can see pictures of all my books.

686
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 4>There are links to my blog, and there's also a

687
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<v Speaker 4>link to my internet TV series which is Black.

688
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:48.519
<v Speaker 3>And White Key.

689
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 3>It's called the House.

691
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<v Speaker 4>Between all right, you can see the whole scope of

692
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<v Speaker 4>my work, from my website, from blogs to my internet show,

693
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<v Speaker 4>to to picture and excerpts of my book.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't mind, in this second half hour,

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<v Speaker 1>would it be okay if we go into some of

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<v Speaker 1>the shows that I ranked as my Letterman top ten.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know you're being nice to me by saying

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<v Speaker 1>my memory is so good. But at this stage of

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<v Speaker 1>my life, I can probably remember what I did when

702
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<v Speaker 1>I was two, but I can't.

703
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Tell you what I ate last night.

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<v Speaker 1>But seriously, and you and I said this off Mike too,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is this is an indication about when when

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<v Speaker 1>you are when you're young, and I'm thinking, obviously it

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<v Speaker 1>was eight, nine and ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's the extent of it. I was no

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<v Speaker 2>older than ten when.

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<v Speaker 1>This show left the airwaves, and I remembered. I mean,

711
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>it's seared into my brain, there's no two ways about it.

712
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I won't say that it was a nasty and ugly

713
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>any kind of traumatization, but it has to be understood.

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00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>You know when you were, when you're young, and your

715
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<v Speaker 1>brain is an open book or whatever. Some of these

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<v Speaker 1>experiences that you have that do definitely radically shake you up.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember and you know, well, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>what what forty years later plus, and these were just

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<v Speaker 1>off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think that you know, things like that, I

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00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 4>always say that they carry psychic weight, or they loom

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<v Speaker 4>large on your brain. You know, your brain at that

723
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 4>point is very impressionable, and this is often the first

724
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<v Speaker 4>time you experience something of that nature, and so the

725
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, the weight of it is just amazing and

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00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 4>you always remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a I mean, I know I certainly

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<v Speaker 3>feel like that about.

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<v Speaker 4>Influences in my life.

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00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 3>And it's funny sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>The good thing about One Step Beyond it's really a

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00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 4>good show and it stands the test of time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember when I was a kid going to see

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<v Speaker 4>a drive in movie called Legend of Boggy Creek.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Horrible movement, but you know it scared me when I

738
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<v Speaker 2>was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>But you went a horrible movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask you this. Did you drive to

741
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<v Speaker 2>h did you drive to the drive it?

742
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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Well I was. I was driven to the drive in

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<v Speaker 3>with my folks.

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00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, because I was gonna say, if you drove

746
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 1>and you probably had a girl with you, eat and

747
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<v Speaker 1>give a damn what was on his screen.

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<v Speaker 3>I was too young for that. I think that's I missed.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I can't remember too many driving movies I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, all right, the ones that I remember, and

751
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I think some of them are in the forefront because

752
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>they seemed well, they definitely had a documented kind of support.

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00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 1>And one of them, and that's one of the interviews

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<v Speaker 1>that we talked about that gave credence to the show,

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00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.359
<v Speaker 1>the one I had listed first, and I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going into the best of the least.

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00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I just did them. And that was a show that

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<v Speaker 2>was about people having precognition about the sinking in World

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<v Speaker 2>War Two of the HMS Hood and what Newland did.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had asked you about this.

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<v Speaker 1>They interviewed somebody who was supposed to be on that ship,

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<v Speaker 1>and that turned out to be an actor who also

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<v Speaker 1>made the rounds in those days, whom.

764
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<v Speaker 2>You told me was Robin Hughes.

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00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Is that correct?

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00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 4>That is correct, absolutely, So it was a British actor

767
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 4>who was working in the sixties who actually had the

768
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<v Speaker 4>experience that the episode was about you know, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>The episode was from the third of what.

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<v Speaker 4>It aired on equal fourth, nineteen sixty one. It was

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<v Speaker 4>called The Signal Received, and it's just like you said.

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<v Speaker 4>It was about like precognition about the sinking of the Hood,

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00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 4>and it followed three sailors in particular, and each one

774
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:25.200
<v Speaker 4>sort of had this experience, you know, about their deaths

775
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 4>and the Hood. And one was like spiritboard divination, one

776
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 4>was Claire Audio, and another I think was just straight

777
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<v Speaker 4>old clairvoyance.

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<v Speaker 3>But two were negative and one was positive.

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00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Two people knew they were going to die, and one

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<v Speaker 4>guy said that he would I think he did. He

781
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<v Speaker 4>was the spirit board guy said he'd lived a nice

782
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Speaker 4>long life or something. And sure enough, like the episode ended,

783
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<v Speaker 4>these three guys walking onto the Hood and the one

784
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 4>guy gets pulled off. He got a transfer order and

785
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 4>he lived a long and happy life, you know. And

786
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 4>then fifteen hundred people, including those other two sailors you know,

787
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 4>died when the Bismarck sunk the Hood nineteen forty one.

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00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.279
<v Speaker 4>And it's just what you said, is that they brought

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<v Speaker 4>John Newlan, brought this actor on whose experience this was

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<v Speaker 4>to to talk about the show again.

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00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:09.760
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 4>I was just I was shocked at jury call up

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<v Speaker 4>to you you picked that one off immediately, and that

794
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<v Speaker 4>you remembered all the details of.

795
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 2>It, and the use was kind of person who got

796
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<v Speaker 2>picked off, wasn't he?

797
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Yep?

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00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely all right, now there is something related to that.

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00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 1>You and I both went back around excuse me again,

800
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 1>choking on water, and I got this little mixed up.

801
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>But then you know, you clear it up for me

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<v Speaker 2>because I remember this one too.

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00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people will be may have encountered this this story

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00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>other places, but this is and I'm gonna throw this

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<v Speaker 1>to you, this is the show they did on the titan.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, Keith, this is my all time favorite episode of

808
00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 4>One Step Beyond, and it.

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00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Still drives me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about sort of the psychic web of happenings that

812
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 4>surrounded the sinking of the Titanic in nineteen twelve. And

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<v Speaker 4>one of the things I talked about was a Canadian

814
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.039
<v Speaker 4>minister who changed the hymn that night at his church

815
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 4>for no reason, to pray for those in peril on

816
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 4>the sea, you know, And then there are things like that,

817
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 4>and you know, in fact, there was a professor at

818
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 4>university of Virginia who had collected like nineteen reports of

819
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 4>the paranormal all associated with the Titanic, and I don't know,

820
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 4>maybe a handful of those were like precognition about people

821
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<v Speaker 4>who were going to board the ship and were afraid

822
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 4>of drowning or things like that. But yeah, and you know,

823
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 4>that's what the episode is about, the sinking of the

824
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<v Speaker 4>Titanic and this web of all these psychic phenomena phenomena

825
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.440
<v Speaker 4>around the thinking. But what absolutely floors me, and it

826
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 4>gets me every time, is that John Nolan at the

827
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<v Speaker 4>end of the episode walks to a bookcase and he

828
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 4>pulls out a book and it's called Futility, written by

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<v Speaker 4>a man named Morgan Robertson. It's a novel. It's a

830
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<v Speaker 4>fictional story supposed The novel's plot is about the first

831
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<v Speaker 4>voyage of the largest ocean liner ever built. On an

832
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<v Speaker 4>April night, this fictitious ship strikes an iceberg, and because

833
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<v Speaker 4>there aren't enough lifeboards lifeboats on the ship, over one

834
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 4>thousand passengers die in freezing waters. Okay, the name of

835
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 4>that ship in the novel was the titan The book

836
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<v Speaker 4>itself was published in eighteen ninety.

837
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<v Speaker 3>Eight, fourteen years before.

838
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.719
<v Speaker 4>The Titanic sinking. And I mean, that's just the tip

839
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<v Speaker 4>of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you'll forgive it about the rotten plum, I'm

841
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>so sorry, but let me just tell.

842
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<v Speaker 3>You know some of the other similarities in Robertson's novel.

843
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Of eighteen ninety eight. The titan was seventy thousand tons,

844
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 4>that's how much the ship weighed. The Titanic was sixty

845
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.760
<v Speaker 4>six thousand tons. The titan was eight hundred feet long,

846
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 4>the Titanic eight hundred and eighty feet long. Both ships

847
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.440
<v Speaker 4>had a top sailing speed of twenty five knots. And

848
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<v Speaker 4>the most bizarre thing is that both ships struck icebergs

849
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<v Speaker 4>and sunk on a night in April.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, to me, that just gets me.

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<v Speaker 4>Every time I did all this research onics, I thought

852
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<v Speaker 4>he is making that up.

853
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 3>I thought, there's no.

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00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 4>Way that's true, and I followed a couple of false leads.

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00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.639
<v Speaker 4>But then I found it is true, and the book

856
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 4>was actually republished I think maybe in nineteen ninety seven,

857
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 4>when that's when Titanic sort of nostalgia he t used

858
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 4>that word was popular again with James Cameron films.

859
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 3>All right, but I mean, this is actual true somebody wrote.

860
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 4>A book that forecasts with all those details, the thinking

861
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 4>of the Titanic. It was just called titan I mean,

862
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 4>it's it really boggles the mind.

863
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that's a tough one to argue with.

864
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.519
<v Speaker 2>How did you know? You know?

865
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Right right?

866
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 4>I mean you know one or two things like that,

867
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 4>I say, coincidence. But you placed it in the same

868
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 4>month with the same problem with lifeboats, with the details

869
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 4>of the ship being so similar. I mean it, you know,

870
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 4>it certainly raises questions.

871
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you know anything about and have you aught to say?

872
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 3>It was Robertson, Yeah, Morgan Robertson was his name.

873
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you know anything about him?

874
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't. I don't know much about him.

875
00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 4>You know.

876
00:37:58.239 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 3>I went back and said, I.

877
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 4>Followed some false leads because there was some book I

878
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.840
<v Speaker 4>found in the eighties that had the wrong title for

879
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 4>the book and had the wrong author. So I thought, okay,

880
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 4>that's one thing against it. And then I went back

881
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 4>to a Collier story from the late eighteen hundreds that

882
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.199
<v Speaker 4>was supposedly this story, and it was not. It was

883
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 4>one called the Liner and the Iceberg, but it was

884
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 4>about like an old trawler ship I think named the

885
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 4>Amelia or something else. So like, none of the details

886
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.440
<v Speaker 4>were right. So I was thinking, Okay, this book didn't

887
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 4>really exist, you know, John Nolan put me on. But

888
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 4>then I found all the details and they were exactly

889
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 4>as he said.

890
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know the biography of this author.

891
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you have no idea if he comes from the UK,

892
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>do you he does come from the UK? Yeah, all right,

893
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>we won't get into that, but we all talk from

894
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>other time. Right.

895
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Secondly, well, I had written to you again on one

896
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>that was based on fact it seems, and a story

897
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily unknown to a lot of folks, and that

898
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 1>is Lincoln's dream of being assassinated and viewing his own

899
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>funeral in the White House.

900
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.159
<v Speaker 3>Right right now.

901
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 4>This was a one step beyond episode from nineteen sixty

902
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.400
<v Speaker 4>in the second season. It's called The Day the World Web,

903
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 4>The Day the World Web, the Lincoln Story, and very

904
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.960
<v Speaker 4>much like the Titanic episode, it involved sort of all

905
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 4>the psychic phenomena around the Lincoln assassination. For example, a

906
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.440
<v Speaker 4>printer in East Pennsylvania hammers out a headline in the episode,

907
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 4>like hours before the assassination that reads Lincoln margret National tragedy.

908
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 4>But it does focus on the very issue you remember,

909
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 4>which is that Lincoln had recurring visions of his own

910
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 4>death while he.

911
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Was in the White House.

912
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 4>He described these dreams to members of his cabinet, So

913
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 4>there is eyewitness testimony that he had those dreams, and

914
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 4>one dream involved him awaking in the White House to

915
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:45.840
<v Speaker 4>sounds of weeping and he asked to Guard what's going on, said,

916
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 4>the President has been killed.

917
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 2>And that was just one.

918
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 4>He had another dream early in his term where he

919
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 4>saw two images of himself in the mirror. In a one,

920
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 4>his face was completely normal. In the second, it had

921
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 4>this sort of death like pallor across it, like he

922
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 4>was looking at himself as a corpse. And his wife, Mary,

923
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 4>who really believed in his dreams, said to him, she said,

924
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 4>what this dream represents that you're going to be alive

925
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 4>and healthy through your.

926
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 3>First term, and you're going to be killed in your

927
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 3>second term, or you're going to die.

928
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.079
<v Speaker 4>In your second term. I think that's probably one percent.

929
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 4>I think she said you're going to be killed. I

930
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:18.920
<v Speaker 4>think said you're going to die in your second term.

931
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 4>So it is documented fact that Lincoln did very much

932
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 4>fear for his own death and had dreams of his

933
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 4>death while he was in office. And that's another one

934
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 4>of the great one step beyond the stories.

935
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I would say, no, it was again, it.

936
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Was well done.

937
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 1>And this is just a quick plug for folks who

938
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>want to realize just what Lincoln knew with regard to

939
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the enemies that surrounded him.

940
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>There are two good books out there.

941
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 1>One is called a Lincoln Conspiracy by think Boldinger, and

942
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 1>there was another one called Dark Union by I think

943
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 1>it is Ness and Gutteridge, and they will show you

944
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 1>just exactly what he knew he was up against. His

945
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 1>precognition may have been based a lot on what he

946
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 1>rightly should have feared, right but.

947
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>That's, you know, my little conspiracy political plug, and that's

948
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 2>what the show is about.

949
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 4>So I'll move Well, have you ever heard of the

950
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 4>theory of retro synchronicity.

951
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, we might, we might have called it a bunch

952
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 1>of other things on the agression all but ahead throw

953
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that out.

954
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 4>Well. I came across as when I was researching the book,

955
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 4>and I just wanted to name it because you know,

956
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 4>of course people could say it's coincidence, like people always do.

957
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 4>But the theory of retro synchronicity is that Lincoln and

958
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 4>Kennedy are basically connected, and it's their path follow the

959
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 4>same course. Lincoln was elected to Congress in eighteen forty seven, Kennedy.

960
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen forty seven.

961
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Each man was killed by a bullet to the head

962
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 4>in the presence of their spouse. The boats were warned

963
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:47.880
<v Speaker 4>not to go on the trips that killed them, either

964
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.360
<v Speaker 4>to the theater or to Dallas and their assassins. Wilkes

965
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.559
<v Speaker 4>Booth was born in eighteen thirty nine. Lee Harvey Well

966
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen thirty nine, and then the name of kennedy secretary.

967
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 3>Of course was Lincoln Lincoln.

968
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if there's anything to that, but something

969
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 4>about that just fascinating me.

970
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I can't help but.

971
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there is there's even more to it, I would,

972
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I would say. But also sixty three was a pivotal

973
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 1>year for both. I both definitely believe that Lincoln and

974
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy each knew the way things really, you know, what

975
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 1>really runs the world, and there are handlers, and I

976
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 1>think both of those presidents said, you know, I can't

977
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>do this, and that was fatal for Lincoln.

978
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Obviously.

979
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 1>It probably happened in and around visiting Gettysburg with Kennedy

980
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it happened beforehand. But of course in sixty three he

981
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>was assassinated. Lincoln was assassinated sixty five. But both of

982
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 1>those presidents were pretty much lightning rods at very critical

983
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 1>times in our history. And yeah, and also I'm only

984
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>going to throw this out to you.

985
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll be able to in a later show, but just

986
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, to tweak you a little bit.

987
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:01.079
<v Speaker 1>John, No, No, in the how should I say in

988
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the Classic Assassinator's Handbook, if you want to kill a

989
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 1>head of state, the best way to do it, you know,

990
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>in that protocol is a headshot. Okay, And if you

991
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>take a look, you'll find that this, you know, look

992
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:18.719
<v Speaker 1>at or look at Robert RFK headshot. And I hate

993
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 1>to say it, although Teddy's unassassinated, he's dealing with the

994
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.679
<v Speaker 1>cerebral problem right anyway.

995
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, maybe there's there's no connection. I had to bring

996
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 4>up that retros incranctation.

997
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, not no, without a doubt. No, And it's

998
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, we don't believe in coincidence beyond the cress,

999
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the other things I.

1000
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Had asked you about. Well, then, also I thought this

1001
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 1>is probably the one that gave me the eb gbs

1002
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 1>the most. The first two were just real, you know,

1003
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just was real convicting. But this one,

1004
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>this one spooked me out and they did it very well.

1005
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And that was.

1006
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Now here's how I wrote it to you, and I

1007
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>think you have that in your book, and that is

1008
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the ghost of a giant. This took place in Mexico

1009
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>who you know, kills like what I thought was an

1010
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>abusive soldier, like you know, whooping up on the peasants.

1011
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 1>How close did I get with that?

1012
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, again, you have amazing recall, because that's exactly what

1013
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 4>it is. The story you're talking about is called Persons Unknown,

1014
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 4>and it aired in One Step Beyond third season February seventh,

1015
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.079
<v Speaker 4>nineteen sixty one, so you probably know where you were

1016
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 4>February seventh, ninety. It takes place in what is essentially

1017
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.800
<v Speaker 4>sort of a haunted convent of sorts, one that was

1018
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 4>constructed over the sight of an Aztec shrine, and there's

1019
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 4>the myth that it reportedly houses the spirit of a

1020
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 4>deceased warrior, this giant that you mentioned, who was sacrificed

1021
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 4>by his king. But in the course of the story

1022
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 4>that we're watching on one Step beyond this giant appears

1023
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 4>and kills the sadistic soldiers exactly what you said, it's

1024
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 4>an abusive soldier and eyewitnessed. This is a man named

1025
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 4>doctor Adel atl who saw the ghost and reported basically

1026
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 4>a plaster mold of the dead man's face, yes, giant

1027
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 4>hand prints, not like he'd been you know, smothered. And

1028
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.840
<v Speaker 4>and then I mean the topper, of course, is that

1029
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 4>the story ends with the actual doctor Adel, you know,

1030
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.719
<v Speaker 4>joining John Newman on this dark stage for an interview

1031
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 4>about this occurrence. And you know he's not able to

1032
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.199
<v Speaker 4>explain it, but he said, you know, he saw the ghost.

1033
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 4>It was right there with him me. It's an amazing story.

1034
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 4>And you know, as far as accuracy, what I dug

1035
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 4>up is that there is an ex convent and I

1036
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 4>don't know if I'm saying it right Lomrsad, Mexico City,

1037
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 4>and and there is a real doctor Adel who was

1038
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 4>a well renowned.

1039
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Art critic and artists, and he did live in that convent.

1040
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.599
<v Speaker 4>Now there had you know, I was not able to

1041
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 4>track down anybody who could send me to a mold

1042
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:47.239
<v Speaker 4>of a man stay with the fingerprints, so that may

1043
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 4>have been embellishment, but It's amazing to me that you

1044
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 4>remember this one, because you know, whenever I write books

1045
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 4>about shows, I think of sort of signature episodes like

1046
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, the Twilight Zone Joey's remember, or

1047
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 4>the Star Treks she always remember. It's like there's like

1048
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 4>maybe a handful in every show, a ten one like

1049
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:03.159
<v Speaker 4>you said, and it lights up room. Everyone remembers it.

1050
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I wouldn't say this is like a

1051
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 4>signature one step beyond show, but you remembered it down

1052
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 4>to the last detail, which is pretty amazing information.

1053
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Well if have you seen that that particular show at all?

1054
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I got to watch it for the book,

1055
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, and it's funny. I consider like the Lincoln

1056
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 4>or the Titanic one like ooh, those pop out at me.

1057
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 4>But it's like, you know, out of ninety six, I

1058
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.480
<v Speaker 4>didn't remember the details of this one until you brought

1059
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 4>it up. Well, it really really is a fascinating story.

1060
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, they did it so spookily too, I mean, I mean,

1061
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>well I can't even recount it, but I mean the

1062
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that it was it was desolate.

1063
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>There's something invisible going on. Now.

1064
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.119
<v Speaker 1>The only thing I'll last you because you know, I

1065
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.719
<v Speaker 1>do have a historical edge to me? Did that have

1066
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:46.599
<v Speaker 1>to what do we know that that took place in

1067
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the early twentieth century or did it take on what

1068
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>was that supposedly before? The reason I'm saying is because

1069
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>you had Maximilian's troops. French troops that were in there

1070
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>were definitely not liked by the Mexican people.

1071
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.400
<v Speaker 4>It was definitely in the twentieth cent all right, so

1072
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.320
<v Speaker 4>that was you know, it was when doctor Addall was

1073
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.039
<v Speaker 4>a younger man, so it would have probably been the

1074
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.760
<v Speaker 4>early twentieth century.

1075
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 1>All right, that we've been around the Buirez, I would believe,

1076
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 1>or via no Pancho Villa that would have been.

1077
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know what, It's interesting because people I don't

1078
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 4>know if I've said this before in the interview, but

1079
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.719
<v Speaker 4>I get a lot of mail email about one step

1080
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 4>beyond with people asking me to help them corroborate their stories.

1081
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 4>And there are people who are interested in this episode

1082
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 4>who have tried very hard to get cooperation for this episode,

1083
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 4>corroboration for it. So you know, there are other people

1084
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 4>who are trying to track this down, like as we speak,

1085
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 4>all right.

1086
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>That's good, I mean, but if we're in the twentieth century.

1087
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Then it was probably around VIA's time, you know, VA's time.

1088
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It was not had nothing to do with the French invaders. Okay,

1089
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 1>no problem.

1090
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 4>You know again, I'm not one hundred percent sure of that.

1091
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 4>I just I'm pretty sure it's the twenty stenty just

1092
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 4>because of what demand's age.

1093
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and you're right, because a guy was on

1094
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was on the tube in nineteen fifty nine sixties.

1095
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would have had to have.

1096
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 4>It would have older man, you know, it could have

1097
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 4>been back, you know, forty years or so, but it

1098
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 4>would have had to have been I think twentieth century.

1099
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 2>No, you're right.

1100
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean because in those times too, there were so

1101
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>many overthrows of governments because the all seemed to get

1102
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the spotic on the new Mexican people and for that

1103
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 1>gentleman still to be alive in you know, in the

1104
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>late fifties going into the sixties. It was definitely around

1105
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the time of the and whatever dictator put in whatever

1106
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, government. So that answers that that

1107
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.039
<v Speaker 1>that you're right, all right, now we get another one.

1108
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And there's something kind of serendipitous about this from if

1109
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I if I got it right, I remember rocks falling

1110
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 1>from the sky in what I believe was Chico, California.

1111
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 4>That's right, yep, that's that is an event from an

1112
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 4>episode called Where Are They which aired December thirteenth, nineteen

1113
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.960
<v Speaker 4>sixty and it told two stories. In the first one,

1114
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.679
<v Speaker 4>in this town of Chico, California, a rock started falling

1115
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 4>from the sky and a man who called himself the

1116
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 4>Ghost took credit for it in March nineteen twenty two.

1117
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 4>And then but the crazy was the rocks felt the

1118
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 4>same time every day at three o'clock, every day, rocks

1119
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.960
<v Speaker 4>fell from the sky, right, I mean, it's not in

1120
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 4>the ghost, the ghosts and the rock storms.

1121
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:11.519
<v Speaker 3>Everything just disappeared.

1122
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.280
<v Speaker 4>And in terms of authenticially this was one of my favorite.

1123
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 4>Thanks to research, history records that from July to November

1124
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 4>of nineteen twenty one, rocks indeed fell from the sky

1125
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 4>in Chico, California for now explicable reason. A lawman named J. A.

1126
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Peck investigated the case, and the.

1127
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 4>San Francisco Examiner reported on the situation in March of

1128
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 4>nineteen twenty two. There was a scientist, his name was C. K. Studley,

1129
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 4>who reported his findings and let me just quote those

1130
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 4>findings if I can. Some of the rocks are so

1131
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 4>large that they could not have been thrown by any

1132
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.039
<v Speaker 4>ordinary means. One of the rocks weighs sixteen ounces. They

1133
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 4>are not of meteoric origin, as seems to have been hinted,

1134
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 4>because two of them show signs of sementation, either natural

1135
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 4>or artificial, and no meteoric factor was ever connected to

1136
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 4>a cement factory.

1137
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 2>And I'll.

1138
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 4>What One step On was talking about here, you know,

1139
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 4>beyond this case was the idea of some sort of

1140
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 4>anomalous phenomenon, and there was another instance of rocks falling

1141
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Speaker 4>from the sky in Charleston, South Carolina, on September fourth,

1142
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 4>eighteen eighty six. So again, what's great about One step Beyond,

1143
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 4>whether you believe in the psychic or not, is that

1144
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:23.199
<v Speaker 4>it accurately took what the reports were on that story

1145
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.400
<v Speaker 4>from Chico and portrayed them really pretty accurately, which I

1146
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 4>think is you know, I think is very admirable for

1147
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 4>a genre show to take such pains to depict the

1148
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:35.360
<v Speaker 4>story accurately.

1149
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I agreed. Grammatically, yeah, no, agreed. But again, that's why

1150
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about this because it you know, I'm one

1151
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of the only people left I even have to talk.

1152
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 1>To some of my parts back up in Jersey whether

1153
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 1>they remember this kind of stuff, because I don't even

1154
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 1>know if we talked about this then, because.

1155
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, we weren't other things and

1156
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Psycho was out and all this other stuff. But I

1157
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 2>got to go back and ask about that. Well.

1158
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Also, I'm going to say this, and I'm tweaked, but

1159
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this up because it's provocative.

1160
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Folks.

1161
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Take to look and see what latitude Chico, California is on,

1162
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you why when we get back together again,

1163
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>John on that Friday.

1164
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.920
<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's something I have absolutely no idea about that.

1165
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 4>I have no idea what that's about.

1166
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 2>I'll breed deep the gathering glue. Okay, all right, now

1167
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.000
<v Speaker 2>we go into one again.

1168
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>And this isn't far fetch from what we're hearing about

1169
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>today with all these alternative situations and cars running on water,

1170
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.320
<v Speaker 1>on hydrogen, on McDonald's grease and all this stuff. Do

1171
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you remember the one where somebody went into a patent

1172
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 1>office and had some kind of pillar or whatever that

1173
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 1>turned water into gasoline.

1174
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, Now that was the second part actually of this

1175
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.880
<v Speaker 4>episode where are they the same one? In the feature Chico,

1176
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 4>it was told two stories in that half hour only

1177
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:52.199
<v Speaker 4>Macaeliscarre and it means amazing, and it was said in

1178
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 4>nineteen seventeen, and it features the disappearance of this genius who,

1179
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 4>just as you said, developed a chemical catalyst to turn

1180
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 4>water into fuel, and like it goes before Congress and

1181
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 4>it's all going to happen, It's going to be this revolution,

1182
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 4>and then he and his formula disappear suddenly, just like

1183
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.480
<v Speaker 4>they were removed from the timeline or something.

1184
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1185
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 4>I have asked and I have researched this. I have

1186
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.239
<v Speaker 4>never found the event that this is about. And again

1187
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 4>I have to mention people email me. Someone emailed me

1188
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 4>just the last month about this particular case, and if

1189
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 4>anybody knows the specifics, I'd love to know it, because

1190
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.840
<v Speaker 4>one step beyond didn't usually totally go off on a

1191
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 4>crazy tangent.

1192
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.599
<v Speaker 3>Usually there was some I've proven.

1193
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 4>Some authentic story behind it. My problem, honestly, Keith, and

1194
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 4>was that I sort of came along with this book

1195
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 4>a little too late. I was able to talk to

1196
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.599
<v Speaker 4>John Nowlan months literally months before he passed, in months

1197
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 4>maybe two or three months, but a lot of the

1198
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 4>writers of the show were already dead when I was interviewing.

1199
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was not able to get a whole

1200
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 3>bunch of one.

1201
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.519
<v Speaker 4>Step beyond interviews in the book because many of the

1202
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 4>writers and the producers were already gone, you know, some

1203
00:52:57.480 --> 00:52:59.880
<v Speaker 4>forty five years hence from the series or such.

1204
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 3>So I don't I don't have a trail to follow

1205
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 3>on that.

1206
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

1207
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'd be curious to know. You know, what

1208
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.480
<v Speaker 3>was the basis for this? I mean, have you heard anything.

1209
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 2>About that myself? No? What I did is though I

1210
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 2>told you that somebody had just emailed me.

1211
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 3>But you know, you there. I'm sorry. I think I

1212
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.039
<v Speaker 3>lost you there, hold on, can you hear me?

1213
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me?

1214
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? There we go, There we go. I'm sorry.

1215
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, With regard to the Chico, California situation, ironically,

1216
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.199
<v Speaker 1>somebody just emailed me from Chico, California about something else,

1217
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 1>And I've just asked a gentleman whether or not he's

1218
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>ever heard anything in lore or whatever that this took place.

1219
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 1>In fact, it happened in Chico, So I was hoping

1220
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 1>he might respond to me. He obviously does not know

1221
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 1>that you and I were going to be speaking about this, right,

1222
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 1>but we still have till next Friday to do this

1223
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 1>a week from today while we're recordings on June twenty

1224
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.039
<v Speaker 1>of folks, and a week from today we're going to

1225
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 1>do it two hour a live thing. Who knows what'll

1226
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 1>come in but that Chico situation. Oh, I'm sorry. You

1227
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.679
<v Speaker 1>know we were talking about the gasoline thing. But but

1228
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>what's freaking me out? And you just said it was

1229
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that this is a two part show. They were juxtapost

1230
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that within two weeks of each.

1231
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Other, right right, all that they were on the air

1232
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 4>the same week, it was like within the same half

1233
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 4>of Mackerel. Yeah, they were sort of vignettes, you know.

1234
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine those that those two do? Do it?

1235
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:26.480
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't. I didn't even recognize them with a

1236
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>party and party?

1237
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh really because when you when you live, Yeah, I

1238
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 4>see that you have them on separate lines.

1239
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 3>I thought, oh that's no, that's that's one episode.

1240
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Brother, I'm telling you, as straight as a heart attack,

1241
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that they were a part one

1242
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>in part two. Holyrel.

1243
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 4>That that also, i'd say, is one of the signature

1244
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 4>shows that has raised the most questions. People are fascinated

1245
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 4>by the Chico thing because there are so there's so

1246
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 4>much documentation you can find out.

1247
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's stories in the San Francisco Examiner.

1248
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, either you know there's a place to go,

1249
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 4>and I'm sure there's a place to go for the

1250
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.880
<v Speaker 4>second story. But I don't know what I don't I don't,

1251
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 4>like I said, I don't have a trail.

1252
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, that bit about turning water in the gasoline real quickly.

1253
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.960
<v Speaker 1>One we had somebody down here in Florida who could

1254
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.280
<v Speaker 1>run a car on water and he wound up dead

1255
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 1>under well, the mainstream news wouldn't call suspicious circumstances, but

1256
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, and also I had done a show with

1257
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:30.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody out of Canada who was working on alternative gasoline substances.

1258
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>And this is before we got hit with this last

1259
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, oil of Bryce Hike, and he I got

1260
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>in touch with him because I was tracking down somebody

1261
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Cagiano who had come up with

1262
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 1>one hundred mile per gallon corporretor and he has disappeared

1263
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 1>from the face of the earth. So this gentleman who

1264
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 1>went in I guess what in nineteen seventeen. You said, yep,

1265
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.039
<v Speaker 1>had and went to a patent office.

1266
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

1267
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, and he had this.

1268
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.079
<v Speaker 1>But wasn't it the the way the shild left it

1269
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 1>was that he split before they came in and wanted

1270
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 1>to talk to him.

1271
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, it was just like he disappeared, like it was

1272
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.360
<v Speaker 4>like he just disappeared off the face of the planet,

1273
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 4>like he never existed at all, you know, which made

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00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 4>me now again't remember I watched these you know, ten nine,

1275
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:19.239
<v Speaker 4>eight years ago or so. But my feeling at the time,

1276
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:20.960
<v Speaker 4>I know this is going to sound ridiculous, was that

1277
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 4>he was like a time traveler or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it doesn't sound ridiculous, you know, but I.

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00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 4>Mean that, you know that that was sort of the

1280
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.000
<v Speaker 4>impression I was left from the story that he was

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00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.599
<v Speaker 4>somebody who maybe shouldn't have been there and shouldn't have

1282
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 4>been doing that, and so he was taken away. I mean,

1283
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't you know, that was my impression at the time,

1284
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.679
<v Speaker 4>and I may be misreading what my memory was from

1285
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:40.880
<v Speaker 4>that time, but I remember stories like that fascinated me

1286
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 4>where they offered no explanation. Then I you know, you start,

1287
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, your wheels start spinning and he start think.

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00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, what could have been the explanation?

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00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 1>So all right, and then, like I said, this is

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00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>not unusual though if you had been a straight up

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00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 1>shooter of you don't mess with the oil oilg arcs.

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00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't like that.

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00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:57.400
<v Speaker 3>No, that's well, that's that's a fact.

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00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right now the one that all so, it

1295
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 2>was extremely eerie.

1296
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, in certain other venues it is

1297
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:08.639
<v Speaker 1>documented as having happened, and that was during World War One,

1298
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.840
<v Speaker 1>a cessation of fighting, as those all throughout continental Europe

1299
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 1>claimed that they saw some light in the sky. And

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00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll just leave it there. How close am I am

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00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:20.679
<v Speaker 1>with with that one?

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00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.320
<v Speaker 3>John, Well you remember that one as well, and you

1303
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 3>must have.

1304
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Been watching the show soon after premiere.

1305
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:27.960
<v Speaker 3>You must have caught on quickly, because that was only

1306
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 3>the tenth episode. One tip be it really called the Vision.

1307
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 4>It aired March twenty fourth, nineteen fifty nine, and it

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00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 4>told this story that occurred at twenty two, one hundred

1309
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 4>and thirty hours on November fourteenth, nineteen fifty nine, when

1310
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.840
<v Speaker 4>French and German soldiers witnessed this glowing light in the

1311
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 4>sky and after seeing it, no one on the battlefield

1312
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:48.599
<v Speaker 4>was willing to fight anymore, and then you know, this

1313
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.519
<v Speaker 4>light had basically arrested all hostility. And you know, there's

1314
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.159
<v Speaker 4>a talk about you know, this heavenly ray of light,

1315
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 4>and Newland explains in the episode that this light affected

1316
00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:59.000
<v Speaker 4>like a thousand men from the English Channel to Italy

1317
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.119
<v Speaker 4>to Russia and if they could no longer fight that day,

1318
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, again, here he gives you a trail, you're

1319
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.559
<v Speaker 4>able to go back to that date and time. And

1320
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 4>I was not able to find anything on that date

1321
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.480
<v Speaker 4>and time, which baffled me. But like you said, and

1322
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 4>this was my point. When I wrote the book one

1323
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.159
<v Speaker 4>step beyond tried to portray things accurately. It didn't always

1324
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.400
<v Speaker 4>stick to the letter of what happened in the story,

1325
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:23.880
<v Speaker 4>because you have to get a story done in a

1326
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 4>half hour, you have to have interesting characters, you have

1327
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 4>to have dramatic license, so it will explore a concept accurately,

1328
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.400
<v Speaker 4>even if it doesn't always report an incident accurately.

1329
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I think what was happening.

1330
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Here, because there have been many times throughout the history

1331
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.480
<v Speaker 4>of warfare, particularly in the twentieth century, when people have

1332
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 4>told stories like this. One possible explanation is what a

1333
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.840
<v Speaker 4>psychologist called an emotional chain reaction, which is often described

1334
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 4>by psychologists and witnessed in the Vietnam War, where human

1335
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.639
<v Speaker 4>beings basically send out emotional signals to other human beings

1336
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.400
<v Speaker 4>that they pick up on. And what the event that

1337
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.639
<v Speaker 4>happened in Vietnam that was recorded was that soldiers were

1338
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:11.079
<v Speaker 4>fighting and into the midst of the battlefield walked several monks.

1339
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.480
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't a heavenly light, it was just monks. And

1340
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.519
<v Speaker 4>in seeing the monks, one man stopped fighting, another man

1341
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 4>stopped fighting, an emotional chain reaction, and then more and

1342
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.199
<v Speaker 4>more man stopped fighting til.

1343
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Nobody was fighting.

1344
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 4>So I wonder if the idea of the vision is

1345
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.280
<v Speaker 4>the same kind of story, the story of an emotional

1346
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 4>chain reaction, that perhaps it was just you know that

1347
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.239
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't that the light was from heaven, but that

1348
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 4>that light triggered an emotional chain reaction, a psychic chain reaction,

1349
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.360
<v Speaker 4>if you will, in the man fighting, and if somebody,

1350
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.559
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I would love to hear if anybody has

1351
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.519
<v Speaker 4>any information on that specific incident, because again he gave

1352
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.519
<v Speaker 4>us a trail there, but I followed it and I

1353
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:51.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't find any comment on that day at that time.

1354
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to run a little bit over an

1355
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>how are you okay with that?

1356
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm totally okay with that.

1357
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 2>If you are, no, it's.

1358
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay because you know, again, like I said, I want

1359
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.079
<v Speaker 1>to be generous with your time, but you know, this

1360
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:03.880
<v Speaker 1>is such good stuff, and you know, perhaps i'm beat

1361
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and time management.

1362
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.239
<v Speaker 4>But oh well, listen, I'm loving it, okay, in a

1363
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 4>great time.

1364
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:10.599
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, let's let's keep going.

1365
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:12.719
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is too, and I me post this

1366
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:14.559
<v Speaker 1>again come Christmas time. But one of the things I

1367
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, the thing about World War One is comparatively

1368
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:24.920
<v Speaker 1>it was much more brutal and emotionally I think distressing

1369
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to the populations because they did not realize prior to

1370
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.719
<v Speaker 1>this war how recognized and how much more efficient killing

1371
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 1>technology had gotten. And so even though World War Two

1372
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.880
<v Speaker 1>was brutal also and much more widespread, still the whole

1373
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.239
<v Speaker 1>shock to I think the collective.

1374
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Human experience was extreme.

1375
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.679
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just wondering if one believes and such and

1376
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I happened too, whether or not there was some kind

1377
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of intervention back then. It said, are you guys sure

1378
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.079
<v Speaker 1>you want to go on this tack? And probably the

1379
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 1>answer was like, yeah, we got to and so okay

1380
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.400
<v Speaker 1>with Drew and here we go, you know, with World

1381
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:06.119
<v Speaker 1>War two and beyond. Just my guess, but I'll say

1382
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this I might put back up on my website come

1383
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Christmas time, the contents of a letter that was found

1384
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 1>from I think a British soldier finding somewhere in France

1385
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.880
<v Speaker 1>or Germany about the day they called the truce from

1386
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Christmas through New Year's and went out and played soccer

1387
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.400
<v Speaker 1>with the Germans. Oh wow, and drank and ate with

1388
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the Germans, and everybody's saying, what this really sucks?

1389
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Why do we have to do this?

1390
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1391
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine that? It really is moving? And I

1392
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:36.760
<v Speaker 2>think I'll post it again.

1393
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I think Angie, who is affiliated someone with the show

1394
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.239
<v Speaker 1>who has a block spot, also ran that. But it

1395
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.239
<v Speaker 1>was just amazing when you think about the fact that

1396
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 1>you know they could go out and do this and

1397
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:48.480
<v Speaker 1>then okay, after New Year's it's like, okay, back to

1398
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 1>killing right.

1399
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's heartbreaking, Andrea, Yes, it is what's happening today too.

1400
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Yep, And you know it's anyway. But anyway, that was

1401
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:03.159
<v Speaker 2>a very evocative and long lasting show as far as

1402
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:06.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's an endurance in my in my memory.

1403
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Then this one, I don't remember a whole lot about,

1404
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 1>but boy, this one was really strange. All I remember

1405
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the show with these streamers from

1406
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 1>like heaving like toilet paper enrolled that were dangling down

1407
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 1>to the earth. Can you help me out with this one,

1408
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 1>because boy, that one's really vague.

1409
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know absolutely, you know again, it's kind of

1410
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.719
<v Speaker 4>funny because you picked, you know, out of you sort

1411
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.559
<v Speaker 4>of picked ten that you remembered, you know, and as

1412
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:33.119
<v Speaker 4>I said, there were ninety six, so you picked, you know,

1413
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.840
<v Speaker 4>roughly ten percent, and out of that you picked about

1414
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.000
<v Speaker 4>one episode that was about UFOs and only did one

1415
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 4>show and their whole run about aliens and UFOs. Okay

1416
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:44.280
<v Speaker 4>with that was the episode, and that's from the second season.

1417
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.679
<v Speaker 4>It's the fifty first episode which aired April twelfth, nineteen

1418
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 4>sixty one, I think, entitled The Encounter. And yeah, like

1419
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:54.960
<v Speaker 4>I said, the only show they ever devoted to UFOs.

1420
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 4>And it traumatizes again. A documented case that occurred in

1421
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:03.800
<v Speaker 4>the San Fernando Valley in nineteen fifty three and during

1422
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:07.280
<v Speaker 4>that time some kind of strange they called it Angel

1423
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:12.760
<v Speaker 4>hair fell from and dissolving in plain view of many

1424
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.960
<v Speaker 4>eyewitnesses and sort of like the rock fall in Chico.

1425
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.679
<v Speaker 4>What we're talking about, here's some sort of anomalous phenomenon.

1426
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.320
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I would just add that other angel

1427
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 4>hair sightings did occur in Porto, Ontario on September twenty sixth,

1428
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 4>nineteen forty eight.

1429
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if I can pronounce this, but

1430
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 3>it's a.

1431
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 4>Japanese town called Iowa Kei on October fourth, nineteen fifty seven.

1432
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:40.119
<v Speaker 4>So it's interesting that there were three angel hair appearances

1433
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:44.880
<v Speaker 4>between forty eight and fifty seven. And the one Step

1434
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:50.159
<v Speaker 4>Beyond episode is describing the nineteen fifty three one in

1435
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.760
<v Speaker 4>the San Fernando Valley. So yeah, I mean that that

1436
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.719
<v Speaker 4>angel hair was a silky gossamer substance that seemed to

1437
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:59.840
<v Speaker 4>melt very quickly that many people reported seeing. So again

1438
01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 4>it was based on eyewitness testimony and you know, events

1439
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 4>that were happening in more than one location.

1440
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Did it see anything?

1441
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 1>And again this is I'm trying to you know, you

1442
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:16.280
<v Speaker 1>know rack my memory was it. I can remember a gentleman,

1443
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 1>a man who was like on some kind of little

1444
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 1>ridge and just like.

1445
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Walking through this like what in the world is this?

1446
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was a pilot. Is that true? Do

1447
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:25.440
<v Speaker 2>you remember?

1448
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because what the episode was about, Encounter was about

1449
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:32.679
<v Speaker 4>a pilot who was abducted, you know, ostensibly by aliens. Yeah,

1450
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 4>and then and then returned. But you know, you didn't

1451
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:36.960
<v Speaker 4>see the aliens and there wasn't any.

1452
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:41.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, overt reference to them exactly exactly.

1453
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 2>But I thought he had a fly boy, you know,

1454
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.159
<v Speaker 2>leather jacket with their pilot, right, That's what I saw

1455
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:50.000
<v Speaker 2>in my mind's eye.

1456
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

1457
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I'm scaring me now.

1458
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:55.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting off the phone now.

1459
01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.760
<v Speaker 1>And again, folks, we want to tell you what's going on.

1460
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 1>But this is John Kenneth's mirror.

1461
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.039
<v Speaker 2>He I don't know. He can typify himself. I would

1462
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:05.519
<v Speaker 2>say that he.

1463
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Write he's a historian about horror movies and horror TV

1464
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 1>shows and that whole genre.

1465
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:14.280
<v Speaker 2>And one of the ones, the first.

1466
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 1>One that drew me to him, was what he wrote

1467
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:22.239
<v Speaker 1>all those many years ago about the show One Step

1468
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Beyond Now on his website. There are numerous books, which

1469
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.119
<v Speaker 1>none none of which are going to make anybody turn

1470
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:33.719
<v Speaker 1>away because it's the stuff that we loved. I mean,

1471
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but you know that that was a dream

1472
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and that was a time, and we just take that

1473
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff up and again, John, anything you want to say

1474
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.480
<v Speaker 1>about the website and the resources that are there, well,

1475
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:46.840
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1476
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.599
<v Speaker 4>I always have jokingly said to my parents, you know,

1477
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.480
<v Speaker 4>I want to make a living by writing about TV

1478
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 4>and film, and you know that that's what I ended

1479
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:55.760
<v Speaker 4>up doing.

1480
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.239
<v Speaker 3>But the things that fascinate me are these things, you know.

1481
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if I'm to be brutally honest, the things

1482
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.639
<v Speaker 4>that happened between you know, nineteen sixty and nineteen eighty

1483
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:09.400
<v Speaker 4>in particular. I love the you know, very odd and

1484
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:14.280
<v Speaker 4>luminous and creepy entertainments that came out of the sixties

1485
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 4>and seventies, and you know, so I'm very much devoted

1486
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.360
<v Speaker 4>to that. But you can see I've done horror films

1487
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.880
<v Speaker 4>of the seventies, horror films of the eighties, a book

1488
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.519
<v Speaker 4>called Terror Television, which looks at all the horror shows

1489
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:28.920
<v Speaker 4>from nineteen seventy to nineteen ninety nine. But you know,

1490
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like you, I just love this material. It

1491
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.679
<v Speaker 4>grabs the imagination, yeah it does.

1492
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.360
<v Speaker 1>And I am so tempted right now, and this is

1493
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.039
<v Speaker 1>not the time to do because we will have two

1494
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 1>hours in a few days to talk about a whole

1495
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:42.559
<v Speaker 1>lot more.

1496
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.719
<v Speaker 2>And Adam go Rightley, a good guy from out in.

1497
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.079
<v Speaker 1>The coast, will chime in on this also because he

1498
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 1>deals with something like this. But actually, unfortunately the real

1499
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.960
<v Speaker 1>terror that was brought by Manson.

1500
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Culs and other things. But I mean, it's all there.

1501
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.119
<v Speaker 1>But right now we're talking to John about his book

1502
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:07.119
<v Speaker 1>and Analytical guide to Television's One Step Beyond in nineteen

1503
01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:09.440
<v Speaker 1>fifty nine and nineteen sixty one. And boy, I tell

1504
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.119
<v Speaker 1>you what, pound for pound that show still look best. Yeah,

1505
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:16.039
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I love it all right, we're getting down

1506
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:19.559
<v Speaker 1>to the end of it. But here's one that, like

1507
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the Ghost of the Giant in that Mexican scenario, that

1508
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 1>one got me a little bit, you know, that was scary.

1509
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 1>All the ones, like I said, I was convicted by

1510
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, wow, that's weird. And they documented it,

1511
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.559
<v Speaker 1>so things do go bump in the night. This is

1512
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:37.559
<v Speaker 1>another one that I thought was more distressing than anything else.

1513
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:40.599
<v Speaker 1>And all I remember is that somebody was possessed by

1514
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a portrait. It was covered up because of the problem,

1515
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 1>but when the person died and the portrait was uncovered

1516
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 1>that the portrait had somewhat aged or almost like a

1517
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Dorian gray thing with the person that was possessed by

1518
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the painting.

1519
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Can you set that straight?

1520
01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:59.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, I think this is the only place from

1521
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 4>when there were a couple episodes of One Step Beyond

1522
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.679
<v Speaker 4>about portraits and such, and it sounds, you know, I'm

1523
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:08.639
<v Speaker 4>not one hundred percent I was sure which one that one,

1524
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 4>but it sounds a little bit like this one called

1525
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Image of Death, which aired in nineteen fifty nine.

1526
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually again, it.

1527
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Was an early episode of the show, and it took

1528
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:19.680
<v Speaker 4>place in France in eighteen ninety two. It was about

1529
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 4>this woman who was sort of a common woman and

1530
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 4>she killed a nobleman's wife.

1531
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:26.239
<v Speaker 3>She poisoned her.

1532
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:32.119
<v Speaker 4>And she became his wife. But she became increasingly paranoid

1533
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.279
<v Speaker 4>about the fact that the place where her portrait had

1534
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:37.239
<v Speaker 4>been hanging there was this stain coming up through it,

1535
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.319
<v Speaker 4>and that like she began to see that it was

1536
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.159
<v Speaker 4>the shape of skull or something like that, and like

1537
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:46.039
<v Speaker 4>she just became increasingly deranged by what was there where

1538
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:49.800
<v Speaker 4>her the woman she had succeeded where her portrait had

1539
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 4>been it just came out.

1540
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:52.319
<v Speaker 3>But this this skull came there.

1541
01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:55.520
<v Speaker 4>Eventually she drove her herself crazy and died. Now that

1542
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:57.960
<v Speaker 4>doesn't sound exactly like the one you're saying. I'm wondering

1543
01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.680
<v Speaker 4>if I missed the boat on that one. I'm not

1544
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.880
<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent sure doing Okay, all right.

1545
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 2>The deal with what you were just talking about.

1546
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I do remember that that she started to rub out

1547
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:13.399
<v Speaker 1>the stain and you know, and it's hard to take

1548
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:14.560
<v Speaker 1>on the features of.

1549
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.760
<v Speaker 2>A face and real quick. One of the things that

1550
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 2>reminded me of that show.

1551
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Although now that song is like so many years gone,

1552
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I means thirty years and that was when TENSEC did

1553
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a song called I'm Not in Love. He says he

1554
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.319
<v Speaker 1>hangs a picture up because it hides a nasty stain

1555
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.319
<v Speaker 1>that's lying there. And of course that's what happened I

1556
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.720
<v Speaker 1>think in that show, wasn't it that there was a

1557
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:40.119
<v Speaker 1>photo over this spot that sorted to take.

1558
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 2>On some kind of countenance. Is that correct?

1559
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

1560
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:44.760
<v Speaker 4>It sounds like that song could have been written about

1561
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:46.840
<v Speaker 4>imship death because it was. It was the portrait of

1562
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.640
<v Speaker 4>the dead wife and Andrew was coming up that skull. Yeah,

1563
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.760
<v Speaker 4>so all right, sounds exactly like it. That's funny, all right.

1564
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know who knows. But I mean, like I said,

1565
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:57.960
<v Speaker 1>there are no coincidences on the Chriss you know. Anyway,

1566
01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.760
<v Speaker 1>next up if we could, And that's another thing I remember,

1567
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and that is some kind of phantom jockey that won

1568
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:05.039
<v Speaker 1>a race.

1569
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1570
01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:09.399
<v Speaker 4>This was an episode from June of nineteen fifty nine

1571
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 4>called front Runner, and it was the story of a

1572
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:16.039
<v Speaker 4>jockey's apparition, a man who was wrong. A jockey comes

1573
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.640
<v Speaker 4>back from the dead and basically denies another jockey his victory,

1574
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 4>and then they find out like that jockey the ghost

1575
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.239
<v Speaker 4>had died like a day earlier or something like that,

1576
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.960
<v Speaker 4>so he really was dead when he won the race. Now,

1577
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:31.479
<v Speaker 4>I found no evidence of that particular event, but I

1578
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.239
<v Speaker 4>did run across a horse racing story, which I think

1579
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:36.520
<v Speaker 4>is sort of indicative of how One Step Beyond does things.

1580
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:40.239
<v Speaker 4>That it takes a certain world like horse racing, and

1581
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:42.279
<v Speaker 4>then we'll do a story like this and the details

1582
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.119
<v Speaker 4>of the story aren't always absolutely accurate what the concepts are.

1583
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.520
<v Speaker 4>And this story un quoting, it's about the owner of

1584
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:50.720
<v Speaker 4>a horse had a dream in which he saw his

1585
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:54.039
<v Speaker 4>own horse winning the Melbourne Cup in two weeks. But

1586
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.479
<v Speaker 4>there was something else in that dream. His jockey in

1587
01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:59.800
<v Speaker 4>the dream was wearing a black armband. So the owner

1588
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.760
<v Speaker 4>everybody he knew about the dream, and and they all

1589
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:04.800
<v Speaker 4>testified to the fact that he told them about this dream.

1590
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:07.640
<v Speaker 4>It was well documented. Everyone knew about it. So flash

1591
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:10.600
<v Speaker 4>forward to two weeks later. The owner's horse did win

1592
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.399
<v Speaker 4>the Melbourne Cup and the jockey did wear an armband.

1593
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.000
<v Speaker 4>But do you want to know why this is crazy?

1594
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 4>He was mourning the owner's death, who had passed away

1595
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.119
<v Speaker 4>in the intervening two weeks since he had the dream

1596
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:22.560
<v Speaker 4>and told everyone about it. So the black armband the

1597
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.000
<v Speaker 4>owner imagined was for his own death zone.

1598
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not for whom the bill tolls.

1599
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:28.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly.

1600
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.560
<v Speaker 4>I mean that is just the class like one step beyond.

1601
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:32.439
<v Speaker 4>I mean that, you know, that's the stuff that you know,

1602
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:33.960
<v Speaker 4>you don't want to think about the mill the night,

1603
01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:34.199
<v Speaker 4>you know.

1604
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now, this one pretty much has been dismissed. And

1605
01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the ones that I picked out I think also it

1606
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:44.520
<v Speaker 1>would seem from the pattern that I've created, have been

1607
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.479
<v Speaker 1>those that seem to have some kind of basis in fact.

1608
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, those seem to have been ones that really resonated

1609
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:52.239
<v Speaker 4>with you. I noticed that when I went through that again,

1610
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:54.439
<v Speaker 4>the ten you selected out of the ninety six were

1611
01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 4>ones that seemed to be like the most true to life,

1612
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:00.760
<v Speaker 4>real life where they had witnesses, where they had documentation.

1613
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.560
<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's stunning to me that those are

1614
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:04.119
<v Speaker 4>the ones you remember, because that must mean that even

1615
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:05.840
<v Speaker 4>when you were a very young man, you were hooked

1616
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.159
<v Speaker 4>into that kind of idea that you know that you

1617
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:10.399
<v Speaker 4>wanted it to be real, you.

1618
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Know what I mean?

1619
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, and also that that indeed things do go bumping

1620
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the night right right, you know, And then.

1621
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:18.159
<v Speaker 3>You know, here's the evidence.

1622
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:20.840
<v Speaker 4>You know that you know, even back then you were

1623
01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:22.880
<v Speaker 4>looking to see if it was real and looking for

1624
01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:25.399
<v Speaker 4>that evidence. So that that that you know that probably

1625
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.840
<v Speaker 4>the after psychology keeper and then.

1626
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:32.880
<v Speaker 2>We don't want to talk about that right now, do we. Well,

1627
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and here's another one.

1628
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.279
<v Speaker 1>And you did state before we got on that this

1629
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:38.720
<v Speaker 1>was the week the week wink and that is and

1630
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.439
<v Speaker 1>it it seem such that somebody who's playing some kind

1631
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of game, I don't know what game this would be,

1632
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.399
<v Speaker 1>who took on the the I guess the familiar spirit

1633
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.600
<v Speaker 1>if you would, of of the object he was in

1634
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the game. Uh, And you know, I mean, you think

1635
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:55.640
<v Speaker 1>folks about you know, playing board games and stuff.

1636
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:56.520
<v Speaker 2>So I should take on a.

1637
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Personage or whatever with somebody who suddenly turned into what

1638
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I called a big game cat. And you did nail

1639
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.039
<v Speaker 1>this one. And you think this one is a little

1640
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:08.239
<v Speaker 1>bit you know out there too, right, yeah, I do.

1641
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:09.279
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny.

1642
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:11.319
<v Speaker 4>You remember it exactly right. It was a big game cat.

1643
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 4>I think it was a tiger. It was a story

1644
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:17.840
<v Speaker 4>from January nineteen January nineteen, nineteen sixty. It was entitled

1645
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:20.880
<v Speaker 4>Forest of the Night for that poet, that poem by

1646
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Speaker 4>William Blake, you know, Tiger Tiger Burning, And it's about

1647
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 4>a hunter who plays a game and it's a Chinese

1648
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:30.239
<v Speaker 4>a cult game called Confucius's Book of Changes. So that's

1649
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:33.319
<v Speaker 4>the game they were playing. And one hunter's icon is

1650
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.439
<v Speaker 4>that of a tiger. And I found like a lot

1651
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:39.279
<v Speaker 4>of really great literary references in the episode to like

1652
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Rudyrid kid blaying and William Blake, right, And you know,

1653
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:45.079
<v Speaker 4>I looked into the Book of Changes, which is considered

1654
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.960
<v Speaker 4>a work of divination and it's been often mistranslated. And

1655
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Confucius did believe in the world of spirits. But I

1656
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:55.199
<v Speaker 4>can't find anything that ties that to any event, any

1657
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.800
<v Speaker 4>sort of paranormal event where somebody takes on you know

1658
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.680
<v Speaker 4>that that hear into becomes a tiger and sort of

1659
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.840
<v Speaker 4>runs wild, which is what the theme of the episode was.

1660
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:07.479
<v Speaker 4>So yeah that, I mean, you know, that was one

1661
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 4>that was sort of more overtly fictional, but it's also

1662
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:12.159
<v Speaker 4>a very memorable episode.

1663
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was.

1664
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:16.159
<v Speaker 1>And the guy who was the lead character in that

1665
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like a smallish, you know, schlumpy guy

1666
01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:22.760
<v Speaker 1>you could smack around, you know, and then you can think, well,

1667
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:24.319
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, you could see you know in

1668
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the characters, you know, thinking that heres his chance to

1669
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:28.960
<v Speaker 1>be something.

1670
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Feared, you know, right.

1671
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And that's another guy who has who appeared in more

1672
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:36.680
<v Speaker 1>than one one step beyond episode.

1673
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I know he did. And he also made the rounds

1674
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:42.359
<v Speaker 2>again in the fifties TV series Let Me.

1675
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:43.000
<v Speaker 3>See, I Think Fair.

1676
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:44.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm an dig through the index of my boat,

1677
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:46.199
<v Speaker 4>can see if I find out who that guy.

1678
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:50.319
<v Speaker 2>I bet you he has somewhat of an Irish surname

1679
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:52.600
<v Speaker 2>like Shawn to see is something like that?

1680
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Going to page one twenty here first of the nine

1681
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.159
<v Speaker 4>let me see h.

1682
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:00.359
<v Speaker 2>We have.

1683
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Ted's icons out of a tiger and Ted was Alfred

1684
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Ryder and he was playing a character named Ted Ted Dolliver.

1685
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 2>H So that's a gentleman rider.

1686
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Alfred Ryder r y d Er.

1687
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:16.359
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1688
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I've been of people put in a search engine on IMDb.

1689
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:21.920
<v Speaker 2>They'll come up with a whole bunch of stuff. He

1690
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:23.880
<v Speaker 2>did in the fifty sixty TV Well, I.

1691
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Was going to tell you, you know, because I'm a

1692
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:26.720
<v Speaker 3>crazy fan of this stuff.

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01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.119
<v Speaker 4>He was in a Star Trek episode called the Man Trap,

1694
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:33.319
<v Speaker 4>and he was in an Invader episode but.

1695
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember the title. Love it?

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01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, you're right.

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01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:38.520
<v Speaker 3>He was in a lot definitely.

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01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.600
<v Speaker 2>All right. Now, this one again I got as I

1699
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.880
<v Speaker 2>thought back to it, you know, I gained a little

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01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:47.039
<v Speaker 2>more memory about it, and you can email it.

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01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:49.680
<v Speaker 1>You're saying, well, a pens something, because this is what happened.

1702
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:53.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a woman who was dead who saved her son.

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01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:56.760
<v Speaker 4>Now this is another This is actually one of my

1704
01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.720
<v Speaker 4>favorite episodes in One Step Down two. It's titled Epilogue,

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01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:01.720
<v Speaker 4>and it was only the sixth episode of the series.

1706
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Again, you must have really started watching the show fairly early.

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01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:06.760
<v Speaker 4>This was February twenty fourth, nineteen fifty nine, so six

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01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:09.520
<v Speaker 4>weeks then you were watching. Involved in this was a

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01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 4>woman named Helen and her little boy Stevie, and together

1710
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:14.600
<v Speaker 4>they became trapped in a mind during a cave in.

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01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.199
<v Speaker 4>The mother Helen died in the rock ball, but her

1712
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.680
<v Speaker 4>son Stevie was alive. So the crisis apparition of Helen

1713
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:23.600
<v Speaker 4>appeared to her alcoholic husband, Karl Archer was his name,

1714
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:26.199
<v Speaker 4>imploring him to save their son. But the problem is,

1715
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, this was attention of the episode. Carl is

1716
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.560
<v Speaker 4>an alcoholic, so a psychiatrist doesn't believe him. His psychiatrist

1717
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:33.560
<v Speaker 4>was played by William Shaler, another one of those great

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01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:38.119
<v Speaker 4>faces of you know sixties in elevasion and film. But yeah,

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01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:40.439
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's the story of a crisis apparition, a

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01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.640
<v Speaker 4>manifestation of someone at or near the time of death,

1721
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:46.359
<v Speaker 4>and in most cases the person who sees the apparition

1722
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.800
<v Speaker 4>isn't aware that the real person is dead. So again,

1723
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.319
<v Speaker 4>this wasn't like built on a specific incident, but it

1724
01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:56.479
<v Speaker 4>like accurately portrayed what the literature was on the idea

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01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.439
<v Speaker 4>of a crisis apparition. You know, it got every element

1726
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:02.520
<v Speaker 4>of the story, but it wasn't actually based on you know,

1727
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:05.880
<v Speaker 4>some specific happening, and we talked about this when we

1728
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:08.520
<v Speaker 4>talked a little earlier. But the woman was the created

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01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.560
<v Speaker 4>apparition was Helen was played by Julie Adams, who was

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01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:14.760
<v Speaker 4>the starlet of Creature from The Black You I think,

1731
01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:15.720
<v Speaker 4>a movie we both love.

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01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And again, I mean she was a very

1733
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.359
<v Speaker 1>good looking woman, you know, you know again in black

1734
01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and white. I mean it looked like she had rown

1735
01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:27.479
<v Speaker 1>hair or whatever. But she appeared in so many things

1736
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.600
<v Speaker 1>like seventy seven Sunset Strip and all this other stuff,

1737
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and she was in that particular segment and I can

1738
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.359
<v Speaker 1>still see her, you know, I can still.

1739
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:42.119
<v Speaker 2>See her in just certain frames of that show.

1740
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, that was a hard one for

1741
01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.000
<v Speaker 1>me to recall because I had written something to you

1742
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and then I changed and they said no, no, no, no,

1743
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:51.039
<v Speaker 1>this is what it is. And I can still see

1744
01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:53.760
<v Speaker 1>her an address and all that stuff. And man, you know,

1745
01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean I almost thought too, let me say this,

1746
01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:00.079
<v Speaker 1>you I thought she lifted a car off him, but

1747
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:02.399
<v Speaker 1>it was actually she got him out from underneath rocks.

1748
01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I think. So now again, remember I'll watch the episode.

1749
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:06.199
<v Speaker 2>That's all right.

1750
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:10.119
<v Speaker 4>That's where I gleaned from my notes. Although that sounds

1751
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.119
<v Speaker 4>awfully familiar to you know. There was another episode of

1752
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:14.920
<v Speaker 4>One Tip Beyond that might be a called Emergency now

1753
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.920
<v Speaker 4>like it was just you know, it's called twelve Hours

1754
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.720
<v Speaker 4>to Live about a guy, a husband who was in

1755
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.239
<v Speaker 4>a car that went off a cliff and like they

1756
01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:23.640
<v Speaker 4>had to get him out of the car, you know,

1757
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:25.520
<v Speaker 4>and that one might be the one you're thinking about

1758
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:27.239
<v Speaker 4>with the car again.

1759
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:30.840
<v Speaker 1>And listen, I really appreciate your patience. I was hanging

1760
01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:32.279
<v Speaker 1>with me on this and a lot of this is,

1761
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:36.520
<v Speaker 1>as folks should know, is being done, you know, extemporaneously,

1762
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.399
<v Speaker 1>because that's the way we wanted it. And I don't

1763
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:41.920
<v Speaker 1>know what it says about my malform brain, but it does.

1764
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:43.520
<v Speaker 2>It's something.

1765
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:45.279
<v Speaker 4>But these things are in there.

1766
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:47.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, episodes are in there.

1767
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:51.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I have a conspiracy site and I

1768
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and a lot of people say, well, let's

1769
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's no, it's not theory, folks. The thing is, yeah,

1770
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:58.199
<v Speaker 1>there was something in my lifetime where I wanted to

1771
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.199
<v Speaker 1>take a look and actually say, look, something's not right here.

1772
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot of things in my life that

1773
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I've encountered and it doesn't job with what we've been

1774
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:08.199
<v Speaker 1>told and that's not the thrust of the show. But

1775
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:10.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously, for a lot of people who've been

1776
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.479
<v Speaker 1>listening to this show for low these six years are

1777
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.640
<v Speaker 1>now saying, so this is where you got your roots.

1778
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm busy.

1779
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's fascinating if you think about it. I mean really,

1780
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:22.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean, because obviously what this did was it's you know,

1781
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:25.279
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of validation and legitimacy in one step

1782
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:27.840
<v Speaker 4>beyond for these things. You know, it's not saying this

1783
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.439
<v Speaker 4>is hokum. It's not saying, you know, this is crazy.

1784
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.560
<v Speaker 4>What it's saying is that this is a science we

1785
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:33.560
<v Speaker 4>don't yet understanding.

1786
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Look, you know, prove it.

1787
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:36.760
<v Speaker 4>We cannot just prove it. We cannot.

1788
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:38.520
<v Speaker 3>But here we're going to chronicle it, and we're going

1789
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 3>to chronicle it as.

1790
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.399
<v Speaker 4>Accurately as we can with the knowledge we have today.

1791
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.119
<v Speaker 4>And I mean, I think that's to me, that's something

1792
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:47.800
<v Speaker 4>that is, you know, just extremely fascinating. And I can

1793
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.399
<v Speaker 4>see why that would, you know, be something that would

1794
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.840
<v Speaker 4>would trigger your mind into thinking that way, you know,

1795
01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:55.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it was a very open minded show. You know.

1796
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sorry that.

1797
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:01.479
<v Speaker 2>John has a family and you just heard from one.

1798
01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Of the right defend two year old boy Joel.

1799
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:09.319
<v Speaker 2>All right, you have two children.

1800
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:11.399
<v Speaker 3>I just have I just have one son.

1801
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:14.159
<v Speaker 4>He's two years Well, he'll be two years old in October.

1802
01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:16.479
<v Speaker 4>He's one of the lights of my life.

1803
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.119
<v Speaker 2>With what long? Okay, Well, I just had a premonition,

1804
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a girl next.

1805
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:20.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

1806
01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:21.800
<v Speaker 4>We want we want to have another cut child, and

1807
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:23.800
<v Speaker 4>we really want a girl. So I hope that both

1808
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:25.920
<v Speaker 4>here we go. All right, all right, I'm gonna be

1809
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:28.760
<v Speaker 4>checking back in with you in about six.

1810
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Eight nine months.

1811
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:30.199
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1812
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:32.720
<v Speaker 2>One other thing, and this is really sketchy, and this

1813
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:34.039
<v Speaker 2>the last one I'll pop on you.

1814
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1815
01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And that was there was some show where I remember

1816
01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Newman talking about by location, but I cannot remember the show,

1817
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and that would be involved with somebody who was in

1818
01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:45.479
<v Speaker 1>two places at the same time. Where I do remember

1819
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it is wrapped after the fact, which I felt very compelling.

1820
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I do not remember the fodder of, you know, the

1821
01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:54.079
<v Speaker 1>story itself. Did you come up with anything about to

1822
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 1>buy a location?

1823
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:57.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, One step Beyond did a couple episodes

1824
01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.760
<v Speaker 4>just sort of orbited around the idea of location. So

1825
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.399
<v Speaker 4>I came across two one is called the Return of

1826
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:06.439
<v Speaker 4>Mitchell Campion, and that's one you might more accurately think

1827
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:08.680
<v Speaker 4>of as an out of body experience, I mean, which

1828
01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:11.479
<v Speaker 4>is technically by location, because the body seems to be

1829
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.560
<v Speaker 4>in two places at once. That's where somebody's undergoing surgery

1830
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.520
<v Speaker 4>and also sort of has you know, goes off and

1831
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:19.319
<v Speaker 4>has like a romantic affair on an island somewhere, but

1832
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:20.399
<v Speaker 4>they're actually in surgery.

1833
01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:24.239
<v Speaker 3>The epistection might be talking about his justice.

1834
01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:28.239
<v Speaker 4>You know a third season episode in which a man

1835
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.720
<v Speaker 4>falls asleep in church and it's seen there by all

1836
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 4>the townspeople, but at the same time that he's asleep,

1837
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.840
<v Speaker 4>he's actually across town committing a murder. And you know,

1838
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:39.000
<v Speaker 4>it's funny because the point of the story is actually

1839
01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:41.760
<v Speaker 4>more legal than parapsychological in this case, like you know,

1840
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:44.439
<v Speaker 4>he gets like testing Western law, Like, Okay, we know

1841
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:47.920
<v Speaker 4>this guy, he's confessed to murder, we know he's committed murder,

1842
01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.199
<v Speaker 4>but everybody in town saw him in the church at

1843
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.359
<v Speaker 4>the time the murder was committed, so it's like testing

1844
01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:55.119
<v Speaker 4>Western law. And there actually a couple of episodes of

1845
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:57.560
<v Speaker 4>One Step Beyond that did that, and you know, again,

1846
01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:59.119
<v Speaker 4>I just have to go back and say, I think

1847
01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:02.119
<v Speaker 4>that was very four word thinking, because again, the idea

1848
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.439
<v Speaker 4>of one step beyond is that we're chronicling this thing

1849
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:06.920
<v Speaker 4>that we don't really have good science for, but someday

1850
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:09.520
<v Speaker 4>we will have the science for, and someday we will

1851
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 4>be able to explain these things. And so what it

1852
01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:14.359
<v Speaker 4>was saying is that, you know what if this goes

1853
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:16.399
<v Speaker 4>into a legal venue, you know what happens then, So

1854
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.439
<v Speaker 4>it was really a speculating like, you know what what

1855
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:23.279
<v Speaker 4>could happen? You know, if you know somebody who by located,

1856
01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:25.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, was accused of murder, could you prove that

1857
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.640
<v Speaker 4>in court? Which I think was a fascinating idea and

1858
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.720
<v Speaker 4>well ahead of his son. So yeah, yeah, that was

1859
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:34.319
<v Speaker 4>I think I think you were probably thinking of justice,

1860
01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:38.000
<v Speaker 4>but it might have been Mitchell Campion and real quick.

1861
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:39.159
<v Speaker 1>And you have to speak to this because I know

1862
01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't give you a heads up on that. But

1863
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:44.039
<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about the Phantom Jockey, then you know,

1864
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:46.119
<v Speaker 1>again these things are just emerging, which I think is

1865
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a pretty cool process and I thank you for being

1866
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:50.960
<v Speaker 1>involved in that. But there was one where there was

1867
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:53.560
<v Speaker 1>a boxer also that got involved with finding some ghosts.

1868
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:56.119
<v Speaker 1>There was a ghost in this stands I think was

1869
01:22:56.199 --> 01:22:58.239
<v Speaker 1>during World War two Britain. Does that ring a bell

1870
01:22:58.279 --> 01:22:58.520
<v Speaker 1>at all?

1871
01:22:58.920 --> 01:22:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

1872
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Good lord, you were you are really good?

1873
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:01.159
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1874
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:03.439
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm gonna tell you is that Charles Bronson.

1875
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Was in that episode How to Be a Boxer?

1876
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:06.479
<v Speaker 3>Right, I'm pretty sure.

1877
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:08.439
<v Speaker 4>Let me let me just I'm gonna check my inn.

1878
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.960
<v Speaker 2>That's okay. It was a ghost of somebody and he

1879
01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:13.439
<v Speaker 2>saw him in I mean, that's what's coming back.

1880
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.920
<v Speaker 4>He saw him in this It's called The Last Round

1881
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:20.239
<v Speaker 4>January tenth, nineteen sixty one, and this is what I

1882
01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:22.640
<v Speaker 4>wrote about it in the book I Slightly Past his Prime.

1883
01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Boxer living in England during World War Two, encounters the

1884
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.960
<v Speaker 4>ghost of another boxer, a former a famous former middleweight

1885
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:32.560
<v Speaker 4>champion named Patty, who now appears only two fighters about

1886
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.319
<v Speaker 4>to die in their ring. Although Patty's appearance is thought

1887
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:38.399
<v Speaker 4>to be a hoax, they take a twit strange twist

1888
01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:40.279
<v Speaker 4>when four people distinctly see.

1889
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Patty sitting in the back row of the arena.

1890
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:45.199
<v Speaker 4>You remember that one too, Yeah, that's called the Last

1891
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:47.800
<v Speaker 4>Round and it was the ghost Patty. I'm not sure

1892
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:49.840
<v Speaker 4>who played him, but was it Charles Bronson was the

1893
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.000
<v Speaker 4>guy who saw him was the boxer who saw him.

1894
01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:55.199
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.

1895
01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:58.079
<v Speaker 1>And that one, you you know, was plucked out of

1896
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:00.720
<v Speaker 1>center because of what you say spoke about with the

1897
01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Famom jockey. That one was just birth by itself, and

1898
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:06.159
<v Speaker 1>there's others out there. The only thing I will say

1899
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:10.079
<v Speaker 1>to you is that in the late eighties there were

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<v Speaker 1>some one Step Beyon shows that were just being broadcasted

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<v Speaker 1>by an independent station.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were some, and they kept rerunning them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, that's the only goose I would have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten with what I remembered from fifty nine to sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting from what you said, how many of

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<v Speaker 1>those remembrances of mine were from fifty nine, sixty and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty one. As I got older also, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, right, and got more cerebrally perhaps developed.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope not always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, John, I gotta thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, just you know, dealing with me in

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<v Speaker 1>this whole situation, but also because I was glad I

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<v Speaker 1>found somebody who could harken back in time to a show.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think that, like I said, was a p

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<v Speaker 1>probably the best there ever was on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, listen I have totally enjoyed this. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 3>has been like a memory lane for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to say that, you know, it's been a

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<v Speaker 4>delight talking with you, and also that it's just really

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<v Speaker 4>nice to revisit one step beyond. I probably had more

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<v Speaker 4>fun writing that book than any other book I did,

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<v Speaker 4>because it took me out of my daily routine.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I wasn't just writing.

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<v Speaker 4>About camera and goals. I wasn't, you know, I got

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<v Speaker 4>to do this other thing, which is what I decided

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<v Speaker 4>when I started writing the book that if John Newland

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<v Speaker 4>went to all the trouble to try to showcase these ideas,

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<v Speaker 4>these paranormal ideas accurately, then I, as a writer, had

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<v Speaker 4>to take the trouble to actually try to determine if

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<v Speaker 4>he succeeded or not. So I got to research psychic

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<v Speaker 4>phenomena for this book, which is you know, not you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not what I usually do every day. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I write you know, treaties on you know, Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, you know what I'm saying. It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>So it was it was a fascinating thing for me

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to talk about the paranormal and to

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<v Speaker 4>research the paranormal and even more of a thrill then

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<v Speaker 4>for me to be able to go back today with

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<v Speaker 4>you and and talk about some of the things that

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<v Speaker 4>I found.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, And folks, also remember you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>access the transcript of John Mure's conversation with John Newland,

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<v Speaker 1>which is priceless. Also, and for you folks who listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, who gets popped up in this but

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<v Speaker 1>boohrick And that's another whole interesting situation. So by all means,

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<v Speaker 1>go to that side, take a look at that, and

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<v Speaker 1>also all the books that he is out there. Because John,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be back on Friday the twenty seventh, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk. We're gonna unleash the hounds and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the whole nine yards of wonderful you know, looney horror movies,

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<v Speaker 1>horror shows and local venues, the whole nine yards.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds great?

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<v Speaker 2>Boy? Yeah, that's it. There's no more of a fitting

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<v Speaker 2>venue than it would be for a late Friday night.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, listen, John, thanks a lot again, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a lot also to your family for holding wraps.

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<v Speaker 2>Down on the young son. And you're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, kid, this with a laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Well, it ain't over yet and we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you in a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 3>Soun's good.

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<v Speaker 2>God bless you. I have a safe weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro, God bless you too. That was great. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye okay, bye bye