WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:27.079 And welcome, Welcome, welcome, woman and all to the Big Podcast. 2 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:31.440 It is Monday. Today is the fifteenth day of September, 3 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:34.920 year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is 4 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:40.560 Tom Sullivan, and Nan alive. A very busy week ahead. 5 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:47.320 We've got the guy who was accused of shooting Charlie Kirk. 6 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:50.759 He's going to be in court tomorrow as they read 7 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.840 him the charges. On Wednesday, we get the Federal Reserve 8 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:59.079 there meeting Tuesday and Wednesday and Wednesday, and we will 9 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:03.759 find out why they are going to do about interest rates. 10 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.760 And the President's saying I hope there's a big cut. 11 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:13.079 I know he does, which also gets kind of interesting 12 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:15.760 because on the Fed before we get into the meat 13 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.879 of the program today, Lisa Cook, she's the Fed governor 14 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:28.159 that Bill Poulte, the head of Finance Authority, said, committed 15 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:33.319 forgery on her applications for mortgages. It's now coming out 16 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.640 by the judge over since then has said no, you 17 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.319 can't fire her, but we'll see. I'll come back to this. 18 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.760 We'll see if a court rules for or against her 19 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.159 in the next two days before she actually tends a 20 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:53.359 meeting tomorrow. But there's now a question about the mortgage 21 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:58.000 documents and did she really say that she had multiple 22 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:02.040 homes that were her primary residents. There's other information coming 23 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:04.879 out showing that she said no, it's the second home, 24 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:11.240 and so the facts still need to be adjudicated first. 25 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.680 But that's the FED story. So it's a busy week 26 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:20.280 this week, and the funeral for Charlie Kirk will be 27 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:24.919 next weekend in Arizona, so that will be leading up 28 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.800 to all of that and all of the uncovering of 29 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:34.360 the investigation and everything else. I mentioned to you on 30 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:40.199 Friday that I was holding my head about Governor Cox, 31 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:44.919 the governor of Utah basically shoved all of the law 32 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:48.479 enforcement people aside so that he could have the microphone 33 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:54.159 and get the all the cameras pointed on him. And 34 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:59.919 it just reminds me of politicians in a time of 35 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.879 school shootings or the death of Charlie kirkwa I wish 36 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.159 they would I wish they would just disappear and let 37 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.680 the law enforcement people tell us what they know and 38 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.800 what they can tell us, because the one thing I 39 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.120 worry about on all of this is these big mouth 40 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:23.680 politicians can blow the case and the Defense Council can 41 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:28.639 use their big flapping jaws to maybe get their person off. 42 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:33.400 So he was over the weekend on all the Sunday shows. 43 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.599 He's just loving the lights. Now. At the end of 44 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:42.439 hogging all the details about the shooting and the investigation, 45 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:47.639 he did go on about twenty minutes worth of basically 46 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.800 what you would expect from the pulpit. He gave a 47 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:56.599 sermon about how everything in this country needs to change 48 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.800 and it starts with the social media. I think you're 49 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.840 going to get the hint that I'm not a big 50 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:08.879 fan of this guy, but I don't. On one head, 51 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:16.319 I don't disagree with him. Social media has has changed 52 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.560 our culture and in a big way, and so I don't. 53 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.480 I don't disagree with him on that. But it reminds 54 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:25.519 me of if you go back and you look at 55 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:32.279 old videos of rock and roll stations, mostly in the South, 56 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.480 there were some good old boys in the South at 57 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:37.160 radio stations, and they were they were going to have 58 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:42.240 a bonfire of Elvis Presley records because I'll tell you what, 59 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.600 that swibbling his hips is going to ruin the fabric 60 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.959 of our country. And they had these big, big deals 61 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.879 to destroy Elvis Presley because of the fact he swiveled 62 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.360 his hips. I guess there was a big deal back 63 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.920 in the fifties. In any case, I had that same 64 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.319 feeling from the governor. You're not going to put social 65 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:07.879 media back in the barn. That horse is out and 66 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.839 it's and it's miles down the road. And like I said, 67 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.839 I don't disagree with him about the fact that's had 68 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:19.240 an impact on our on our culture, on our society, 69 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.560 but he's dreaming of that thing is going to be 70 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.560 put put away. So I have some others who agree 71 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:29.560 with him. I'll share the thoughts. Doctor Mark Siegel, who 72 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:33.439 I think the world of agrees that social media is 73 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:37.240 not good for him for your head from the from 74 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:42.920 a medical standpoint. So we'll get into all of that business. 75 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:49.600 There's other things. I just just reflecting on what happened 76 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.199 regarding Charlie Kirk. There's lots of strange things that have 77 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.360 been happening in the last few days. One of them 78 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.279 is that we're finding out about the shooter and the 79 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.240 fact that he did not like Charlie Kirk. He had 80 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.439 conversation at a dinner a few days before about how 81 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.120 he did not like Charlie Kirk. He disagreed with him, 82 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:16.040 and so I'm thinking, okay, so he hates Charlie Kirk, 83 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:21.639 so he can't stand and he can't stand Charlie Kirk's 84 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.680 hatred for LGBTQ is the way he kind of put 85 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.639 it paraphrasing, and I'm thinking, okay, so you can't stand 86 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:35.360 his hatred. So you used your hatred to stop his hatred? 87 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.399 Is that right? Did I miss something here? He used 88 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:47.680 his hatred to stop Charlie Kirk's so called hatred. No, 89 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:52.759 Charlie Kirk was very was very pleasant debating people. In fact, 90 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.040 he said it on many occasions where he would much 91 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:01.439 prefer to debate people who disagreed with it than people 92 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.480 that agreed with him, and in doing so, he would 93 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.560 not shy away. He would say. There was one one 94 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.319 video I saw of a young guy that came up 95 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:16.240 at some college and said, I'm a gay Republican, and 96 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.839 Charlie Kirk was just as kind and nice to him 97 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.480 as you could possibly imagine, saying I don't agree with 98 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.639 your lifestyle, but you don't need to introduce yourself as 99 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.680 a gay Republican. You're much more than that. There's a 100 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.199 lot to you as a human being, as a young 101 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:36.399 man but I don't agree with your lifestyle, but I'm 102 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.959 glad the rest of you I seem to agree with. 103 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.920 So but that's the kind of thing where now we know, 104 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.079 we believe, we know that the shooter, you'll notice I'm 105 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:52.399 not using his name. The shooter, we find out was 106 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:56.720 in a romantic relationship with a guy and they had 107 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.360 an apartment, and not only was he in a gay relationship, 108 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:06.040 So he obviously did not like the fact that Charlie 109 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.439 Kirk would talk about the fact that he doesn't agree 110 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:13.000 with the gay lifestyle. Okay, you kill somebody for that, 111 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:17.160 But then it probably really irritated him because he would 112 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.920 also say I don't there was there were a number 113 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.800 of videos out that you can look at people that 114 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.560 came up and said I'm trans and he would say 115 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.439 to them there, you can be a boy or you 116 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.200 can be a girl, but you can't be either take 117 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:37.039 your pick one or the other. And so this probably 118 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.039 really irritated the shooter because not only was he the 119 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.919 romantic relationship with the guy, but also a guy that 120 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.799 was transitioning to be a woman, and so all of 121 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.960 what Charlie Kirk said probably didn't have phase the guy 122 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.080 at all before he got into this relationship. The shooter 123 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.279 got thirty four out of thirty six on his ACT exam, 124 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:09.879 really high score, four point zero. Student smart guy grew 125 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:14.960 up in a very conservative MAGA household. Mom and dad 126 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:20.799 are big supporters of MAGA and so there's a lot 127 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:25.159 of people at that age who maybe just have a 128 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.480 rebellious gene in them. And if mom and dad are 129 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.080 conservative Christians and Republicans, it may come out that he 130 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.720 was just I'm against everything mom and dad is. Again four, 131 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.039 I'm going to be anti Republican. I'm going to be 132 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.919 anti everything that they stood for. So we'll find out. 133 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:50.559 It just goes on. But if he's so smart book smart, 134 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.799 he had to do the dumbest thing ever because this 135 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.960 has ruined his life. And if he may get the 136 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.399 death penal, we don't know, but certainly he's not going 137 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.799 to see freedom ever again. You think it was worth it, 138 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:13.240 and then to use hatred because of your hatred just 139 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:15.919 seems backwards. I'll tell you one other thing that seems 140 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.159 backward as well, and that is in fact Charlie was 141 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.399 wearing on the day he was killed. He had a 142 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.399 T shirt on white T shirt and in black letters 143 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.679 across the front it said freedom. And one of the 144 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.159 things that he was big on was freedom of speech. 145 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.879 And that's why he invited people, especially those who disagreed 146 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.879 with him, to come up and, with the freedom of speech, 147 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.360 say what they think and listen to what he thought, 148 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.039 and they could have a dialogue back and forth. So 149 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.080 we got freedom of speech. And Charlie obviously was very 150 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.159 much in favor of freedom of speech. And there's some 151 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.279 interesting things going on in our society right now where 152 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.960 a lot of people. The stories are endless of people 153 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.320 that are coming out and saying bad things about Charlie Kirk, 154 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.399 and they're doing it in a public way, and they 155 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.480 get fired. We've got a bunch of teachers. We've got 156 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:16.799 a nurse who took on a doctor who said something bad. 157 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.399 Now the nurse has lost her job and the doctor resigned. 158 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:24.600 Today a long list of people that are being fired 159 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.480 because of the fact that coming out and saying, you know, 160 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:29.360 they didn't like Charlie Kirk and he was a bad 161 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.240 guy and all this sort of negative stuff, and so 162 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.360 they're being fired. So they're being fired. But wait a minute, 163 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.799 Charlie was for freedom of speech, and as much as 164 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.879 freedom of speech isn't about nice speak. Freedom of speech. 165 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.799 The first Amendment is to protect the unnice speech, the 166 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:51.919 uncomfortable speech. But there's a problem with that. That's the 167 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.200 first Amendment, and people keep getting it confused with they 168 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:02.399 can say anything anytime, anywhere, and you can't. The government 169 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:07.799 cannot stop your speech, but your employer can. As some 170 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:13.120 people forget that and stuff talk about about stupid. Why 171 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:18.159 would you publicly go out and in in a form 172 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.879 that everybody knows where you work and it gets back 173 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.559 to your employer, they're gonna dump you. We don't need that, 174 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.600 we don't need the fallout from what you're talking about. 175 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:37.480 So they're getting fired because there is not freedom of speech. 176 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:39.120 At work. 177 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:45.120 Your employer can get rid of you in an instant 178 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.279 if you say something they don't like. It's always been 179 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.360 that way. The other thing I'm thinking about is as 180 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:57.519 they're talking about social media, you know, and I know 181 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:03.279 that Russia and China iran some of our countries out 182 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.840 there that we are adversarial relationships, and they are very 183 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:12.799 good at cyber attacks. That they're loving this. They want 184 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:17.480 to divide America and divide Americans, and this is on 185 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:23.080 the silver platter for them because people now are either 186 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:27.799 four were not for shooting Charlie Kirk, but they were 187 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.440 for his beliefs. Where they were against his beliefs. But 188 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:37.159 now they're fighting over that, like they never really cared 189 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.919 that much before. So where are we going to start today? 190 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.480 Oh and they're asking about I see the police and 191 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.840 are going, well, we have to find out the motive. 192 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.360 I don't know. I'm sure they'll find out more information, 193 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:58.960 but the motive seems to be clear. Charlie Kirk talked 194 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:04.519 about the fact to trans people that there's you're either 195 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.399 a boy or you're a girl, there's no in between. 196 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.600 He said things about the fact that he didn't approve 197 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:17.080 of the LGBTQ lifestyle. And so here's this guy who's 198 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:22.519 got a boyfriend living in a gay lifestyle with somebody 199 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.399 that is transitioning. I mean, it just obviously irritated the 200 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.919 guy beyond what I mean. You can get angry about 201 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.519 what people say, but I mean this guy obviously did 202 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:39.960 not have a governor to pull in his evil thoughts, 203 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.279 so evil took over. Where are we going to start? 204 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.840 How about getting along with each other? This is Tim Burushett. 205 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:53.960 He's a Republican from Tennessee. He's kind of a good 206 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:55.879 old boy and just kind of says it like it is. 207 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.879 He was asked about maybe the Republicans and Democrats and 208 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.159 Congress can get along. 209 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:03.960 Well, I have a history of my partisanship. As I 210 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.720 mentioned earlier, my friend Jared Moscowitz and I are very close. 211 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.320 We talk every day, we talk on the floor, we 212 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:13.919 talk about what's going on. But you know, ma'am, the 213 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.200 reality is that's not going to happen. Let's just be honest. 214 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.399 It doesn't get you elected. It does it back home. 215 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:23.320 It's the red meat that gets you elected. Pointing the 216 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.919 finger and the Democrats currently point in the national media 217 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.360 frankly points at Trump. I was later eating the news 218 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.879 relations that it's just some vile, that real stuff, even 219 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.120 directed towards Charlie Kirk. And you know, it's never going 220 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:39.279 to change, ma'am, until we have a real revival in 221 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:42.600 this country. And and that hopefully what happens someday. But 222 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:44.720 right now, it looks like it's going to be more 223 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.000 of the same. It's a clickton bait. It's getting re elected. 224 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:49.960 It's red meat. And that's what politics is about today. 225 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.600 And that's frankly what it's always been about we can 226 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.679 have these talks, and we can have these professors come 227 00:15:55.720 --> 00:16:00.240 on and of political science and sociologists and all this 228 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.080 and talk about that. That's not what's going to happen. Man, 229 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.639 America is so tone deaf to all that they want. 230 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.519 They want the hate, and that's what politicians, right. 231 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.200 I think he's right. You may not like to hear 232 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:15.919 that because everybody's talking about, Oh you think, do you 233 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.240 think we're all going to get along now better? I 234 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:23.440 think this is the turning point. And I I'm with 235 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:28.679 tim Bershett. I don't think anything will change. Oh do 236 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.480 you think things are going to get worse? Oh? Maybe, 237 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:34.759 But I don't think things are going to get all 238 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:39.000 of a sudden we're going to be kumbaya. This reminds 239 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:46.399 me of sadly when George Floyd died and people said, oh, 240 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.960 because there were all the riots and Black Lives Matter, 241 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.039 we're running through the cities and it was burning down 242 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.879 police stations. It was a mess, and people said, that's 243 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.399 this is it, this is where race relations are going 244 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.240 to be better from here on out. And I set 245 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.440 it on my radio show at the time, I said, 246 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.559 I don't think so. I mean I would. I hope so, 247 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:14.480 But I just people don't. We don't. We don't change 248 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:20.400 with a flip of the switch. We gradually change in cultures, 249 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.799 and we can we can argue that's really what we're 250 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.039 arguing about. We're not arguing about politics. We really are not. 251 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:33.000 I mean, Republicans have been for smaller government and less 252 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.079 taxes since the day I was born, and Democrats have 253 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.720 been for more taxes and bigger government since the day 254 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.160 I was poor. That hasn't changed. I don't think it 255 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:46.680 will ever change. But nobody goes around killing anybody over it. 256 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.880 We just disagree with each other on it. But when 257 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.079 it comes to culture or social or whatever you want 258 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:00.200 to call it, not politics, but our culture is where 259 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:05.359 the emotions come out in our disagreements. I can say 260 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.039 Democrats want bigger government, more taxes, and I'm not breathing 261 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:14.000 heavy talking about it. But you get me going on 262 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:19.119 some social issue, cultural issue, yeah, you get people heated up. 263 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:24.599 Just like tim Bershat was saying, people pay attention to 264 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:30.519 extremist comments. That's what they have always done. David Urban, 265 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:35.720 longtime spokesman for the Republican side of the Aisle. Then 266 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:40.839 Kate Bedenfield who is a very good spokeswoman, great spinmeister 267 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:46.240 for Democrats. We're talking about this earlier today and about 268 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:52.319 extreme views get the attention, and if you get the attention, 269 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:59.240 you get the money. It raises money. It's more financially 270 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.359 beneficial if you do something extreme. 271 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.599 Here they are, Yeah, Pam, I don't know how he 272 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:04.960 got there. 273 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.279 I think it's a you know, combination of lots of things, right, 274 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:10.839 there's disconnections in society people. You know, there's there's it's 275 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.880 it's multisymptomatic. I don't think you know, as you alluded to, 276 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.559 it didn't happen overnight. We're not going to get out overnight. 277 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:21.319 And I think you know there is there there are 278 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.559 Governor Utah Governor coined this phrase the other day, you know, 279 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.599 conflict entrepreneurs, which I think is a really interesting way 280 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:33.400 to look at things. But social media doesn't reward people 281 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.160 like Kate myself who are moderates who kind of come 282 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.160 to the middle. You know, we don't have millions of 283 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:44.119 followers on Twitter, on Facebook or on Instagram because we're moderates. 284 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:45.119 More extreme you. 285 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.319 Are in your party, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, 286 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.799 the algorithm rewards that right, there's money to. 287 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:50.440 Be made there. 288 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.839 And so if you're a House member, if you're a 289 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.200 moderate House member, you kind of get lost in the cacophony. 290 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.359 But if you're AOC or, if you're Marjorie Taylor Green, 291 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.920 you millions of dollars, you're at the top of your shows. 292 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.960 You're you know, you're out on the road talking different groups. 293 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:08.119 People pay you to come and speak to their groups. 294 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.599 And so that that whole conflict entrepreneurial system, I think 295 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.119 rewards people who are more extremely and by the way, 296 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.039 the way our Congress is set up, right, of the 297 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.200 four hundred and thirty five House members, they're about twenty 298 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:22.480 that actually have to campaign if you're a moderate. 299 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:24.680 So I think, no question, Jerry mannering is a part 300 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:24.839 of it. 301 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.519 And I think social media creates almost a false sense 302 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.319 of community. It's like people think, well, if I'm talking 303 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.119 on this platform and people are hearing me and they're commenting, well, 304 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:35.200 you know that I'm engaged in political discourse. And the 305 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:38.200 reality is the discourse that happens on social media is 306 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.839 actually so far removed from where the vast majority of Americans, 307 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.359 everyday Americans are in terms of their politics and so 308 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:44.759 I do. 309 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.440 Think there's been a really distorting impact. 310 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.759 And I will say when we travel and talk to people, 311 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.680 you you mostly hear people say, I don't really get 312 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.359 what's going on on Twitter. I don't like that conversation 313 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.640 that's not doesn't represent me. You mostly hear people saying, 314 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:01.880 how are we going to get back to a place 315 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:05.359 where people with different viewpoints can actually work together? 316 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.359 An extremist get an outside voice on social media. That's 317 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:12.359 the problem, right, They're rewarded for it. You know, people again, 318 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.200 Kate and myself, we have more things in common when 319 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.440 we go, when we talk to groups, people are amazed 320 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.079 at how how much we share, how much common ally 321 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.759 we share. And I think, listen Charlie Kirk, like him 322 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.599 or not like him. What Charlie Kirk was doing is 323 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.319 he was doing exactly the right way. He was going 324 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.359 out meeting people on their own terms, meeting people where 325 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:33.359 they were and engaging in political discourse mark a place 326 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:35.119 of ideas. If you look at some of these videos, 327 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:37.119 some of the places where you look at you see 328 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.839 Charlie Kirk's most his humanity really shines through is people 329 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.359 who he really doesn't agree with, and in certain instances 330 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.960 whether religion, sexual orientation, some of the really big issues 331 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.480 he has the most pleasant discourse with. And somebody's getting listen, 332 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.279 it wasn't all perfect. He's a human, he wasn't a deity. 333 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.240 But he was doing it the right way. Right, we 334 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.440 should incur encourage more people to be like Charlie Kirk 335 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.680 b sides, I wish there was much more of that 336 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.839 going on in college campuses. But somehow along the way 337 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.079 we got lost and and words became violence. And you know, 338 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.799 in college campuses people these kids got to be such 339 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.119 you know, they would be afraid if somebody said something 340 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:15.279 might hurt their feelings. Need to save space. We need 341 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:16.839 to get back where we can have discourse. We could 342 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:19.279 talk about things it's meant to be. It doesn't It's 343 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:20.680 not going to be comfortable all the time. They have 344 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.920 these discussions about race politics. There's lots of things that 345 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:27.359 are uncomfortable. Doesn't mean it's bad. We should be having those. 346 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:30.319 That's how you get to you get to common ally. Again, 347 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.799 to quote Charlie Kirk right, discourse is good. When you 348 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:36.200 stop talking, that's when the fights start. Large organizations, these 349 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.680 these you know, Mark Zuckerberg doesn't let his kids have 350 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:40.920 a phone. His daughters don't have phones. He limits the 351 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.799 amount of screen time they have. People are going to 352 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.039 lose out. They are very powerful forces here at work 353 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:49.079 that are trying to, you know, pull people in a 354 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:49.680 certain direction. 355 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.480 So I'm going to bounce around a little bit here. 356 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:54.200 So they're talking about, Yeah, we need to get along. 357 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.960 Timber Shed says, it's not going to happen. David Urban 358 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:02.720 I like him, but I don't think I think he's right. Again, 359 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:08.559 these guys are right. I love the term about conflict entrepreneurs. 360 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.440 There's a lot of money in politics, big hardball money, 361 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:17.319 and yes, they're they're in the business of creating conflict 362 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:23.799 because it creates money for them. Extreme always gets attention, 363 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.599 no question about it. Well, I've told the story before. 364 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:29.480 There was a book that came out in nineteen ninety, 365 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:32.920 and it was just as we were rolling over into 366 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.000 nineteen ninety. It was a business book and it was 367 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:41.079 about the great Depression is coming in the nineties. And 368 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.680 so it was written by this guy that I don't know, 369 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.720 a bunch of alphabets after his name, and I read 370 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.559 the book and I thought, well, that's interesting, except for 371 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.640 he kept dismissing the business cycle as if it did 372 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:58.119 not happen, and so he predicted all this doom and gloom. 373 00:23:58.160 --> 00:23:59.920 I mean, it was going to be the worst deck 374 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:04.680 we had ever seen. And we know now that the 375 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.839 Natties were absolutely one of the best decades we've ever had. 376 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.640 But he sold a boatload of books because it was 377 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:17.799 all extreme and scary and forecasting the worst possible thing. 378 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.359 People ate it up. So I guess if you want 379 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:27.839 to get ahead, no the extreme, I guess that's one 380 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:32.119 way for some people. All right, let's let's take a 381 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.880 look here at tomorrow first court appearance for the shooter. 382 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:42.000 Elliott Williams, a New York lawyer, as says, this is 383 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:42.839 what's going to happen. 384 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.480 Oh well, John. More than anything else, it's an opportunity 385 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.160 to advise the defendant of the charges against him. We 386 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.319 in the public may have been chattering about it, but 387 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.960 the right that someone is guaranteed under the Constitution is 388 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.079 to be advised of what he's charged with. They're going 389 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.039 to tell him what the charges are. They will likely 390 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.799 give him an answer, an opportunity to respond in the 391 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.759 form of saying guilty or not guilty, and will then 392 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.519 likely set a calendar or schedule for the next series 393 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:09.680 of hearings that are going to come up, maybe even 394 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.640 the trial, although the judge may not set that for 395 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.279 some time. Again, we should be careful in characterizing the 396 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.519 fact is not cooperating because, as the prior guest had said, 397 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.920 Number one, it happens all the time. But more importantly, 398 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.440 it is his right under American law to not cooperate 399 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:28.160 with law enforcement. We've all heard about the Fifth Amendment. 400 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.599 You have the right to remain silent. Well, that's also 401 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.279