1 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,079 Speaker 1: And welcome, Welcome, welcome, woman and all to the Big Podcast. 2 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,440 It is Monday. Today is the fifteenth day of September, 3 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:34,920 year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is 4 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,560 Tom Sullivan, and Nan alive. A very busy week ahead. 5 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:47,320 We've got the guy who was accused of shooting Charlie Kirk. 6 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:50,759 He's going to be in court tomorrow as they read 7 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,840 him the charges. On Wednesday, we get the Federal Reserve 8 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,079 there meeting Tuesday and Wednesday and Wednesday, and we will 9 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:03,759 find out why they are going to do about interest rates. 10 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,760 And the President's saying I hope there's a big cut. 11 00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:13,079 I know he does, which also gets kind of interesting 12 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:15,760 because on the Fed before we get into the meat 13 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,879 of the program today, Lisa Cook, she's the Fed governor 14 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:28,159 that Bill Poulte, the head of Finance Authority, said, committed 15 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:33,319 forgery on her applications for mortgages. It's now coming out 16 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,640 by the judge over since then has said no, you 17 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,319 can't fire her, but we'll see. I'll come back to this. 18 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,760 We'll see if a court rules for or against her 19 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:48,159 in the next two days before she actually tends a 20 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:53,359 meeting tomorrow. But there's now a question about the mortgage 21 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,000 documents and did she really say that she had multiple 22 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,040 homes that were her primary residents. There's other information coming 23 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:04,879 out showing that she said no, it's the second home, 24 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:11,240 and so the facts still need to be adjudicated first. 25 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,680 But that's the FED story. So it's a busy week 26 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:20,280 this week, and the funeral for Charlie Kirk will be 27 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,919 next weekend in Arizona, so that will be leading up 28 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,800 to all of that and all of the uncovering of 29 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,360 the investigation and everything else. I mentioned to you on 30 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:40,199 Friday that I was holding my head about Governor Cox, 31 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:44,919 the governor of Utah basically shoved all of the law 32 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,479 enforcement people aside so that he could have the microphone 33 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:54,159 and get the all the cameras pointed on him. And 34 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:59,919 it just reminds me of politicians in a time of 35 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:03,879 school shootings or the death of Charlie kirkwa I wish 36 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,159 they would I wish they would just disappear and let 37 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,680 the law enforcement people tell us what they know and 38 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:13,800 what they can tell us, because the one thing I 39 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,120 worry about on all of this is these big mouth 40 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:23,680 politicians can blow the case and the Defense Council can 41 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,639 use their big flapping jaws to maybe get their person off. 42 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:33,400 So he was over the weekend on all the Sunday shows. 43 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,599 He's just loving the lights. Now. At the end of 44 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:42,439 hogging all the details about the shooting and the investigation, 45 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:47,639 he did go on about twenty minutes worth of basically 46 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,800 what you would expect from the pulpit. He gave a 47 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:56,599 sermon about how everything in this country needs to change 48 00:03:56,759 --> 00:04:00,800 and it starts with the social media. I think you're 49 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,840 going to get the hint that I'm not a big 50 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:08,879 fan of this guy, but I don't. On one head, 51 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:16,319 I don't disagree with him. Social media has has changed 52 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:20,560 our culture and in a big way, and so I don't. 53 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:23,480 I don't disagree with him on that. But it reminds 54 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,519 me of if you go back and you look at 55 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,279 old videos of rock and roll stations, mostly in the South, 56 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:34,480 there were some good old boys in the South at 57 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,160 radio stations, and they were they were going to have 58 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:42,240 a bonfire of Elvis Presley records because I'll tell you what, 59 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,600 that swibbling his hips is going to ruin the fabric 60 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:50,959 of our country. And they had these big, big deals 61 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,879 to destroy Elvis Presley because of the fact he swiveled 62 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,360 his hips. I guess there was a big deal back 63 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,920 in the fifties. In any case, I had that same 64 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,319 feeling from the governor. You're not going to put social 65 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:07,879 media back in the barn. That horse is out and 66 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,839 it's and it's miles down the road. And like I said, 67 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,839 I don't disagree with him about the fact that's had 68 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:19,240 an impact on our on our culture, on our society, 69 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,560 but he's dreaming of that thing is going to be 70 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,560 put put away. So I have some others who agree 71 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,560 with him. I'll share the thoughts. Doctor Mark Siegel, who 72 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,439 I think the world of agrees that social media is 73 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:37,240 not good for him for your head from the from 74 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:42,920 a medical standpoint. So we'll get into all of that business. 75 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,600 There's other things. I just just reflecting on what happened 76 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,199 regarding Charlie Kirk. There's lots of strange things that have 77 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,360 been happening in the last few days. One of them 78 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:00,279 is that we're finding out about the shooter and the 79 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,240 fact that he did not like Charlie Kirk. He had 80 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:08,439 conversation at a dinner a few days before about how 81 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,120 he did not like Charlie Kirk. He disagreed with him, 82 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:16,040 and so I'm thinking, okay, so he hates Charlie Kirk, 83 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:21,639 so he can't stand and he can't stand Charlie Kirk's 84 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,680 hatred for LGBTQ is the way he kind of put 85 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,639 it paraphrasing, and I'm thinking, okay, so you can't stand 86 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,360 his hatred. So you used your hatred to stop his hatred? 87 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:39,399 Is that right? Did I miss something here? He used 88 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:47,680 his hatred to stop Charlie Kirk's so called hatred. No, 89 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:52,759 Charlie Kirk was very was very pleasant debating people. In fact, 90 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:57,040 he said it on many occasions where he would much 91 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,439 prefer to debate people who disagreed with it than people 92 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,480 that agreed with him, and in doing so, he would 93 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,560 not shy away. He would say. There was one one 94 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,319 video I saw of a young guy that came up 95 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,240 at some college and said, I'm a gay Republican, and 96 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:18,839 Charlie Kirk was just as kind and nice to him 97 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:21,480 as you could possibly imagine, saying I don't agree with 98 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:24,639 your lifestyle, but you don't need to introduce yourself as 99 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,680 a gay Republican. You're much more than that. There's a 100 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,199 lot to you as a human being, as a young 101 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,399 man but I don't agree with your lifestyle, but I'm 102 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:38,959 glad the rest of you I seem to agree with. 103 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,920 So but that's the kind of thing where now we know, 104 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,079 we believe, we know that the shooter, you'll notice I'm 105 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:52,399 not using his name. The shooter, we find out was 106 00:07:52,519 --> 00:07:56,720 in a romantic relationship with a guy and they had 107 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,360 an apartment, and not only was he in a gay relationship, 108 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:06,040 So he obviously did not like the fact that Charlie 109 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,439 Kirk would talk about the fact that he doesn't agree 110 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,000 with the gay lifestyle. Okay, you kill somebody for that, 111 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:17,160 But then it probably really irritated him because he would 112 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:20,920 also say I don't there was there were a number 113 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,800 of videos out that you can look at people that 114 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:27,560 came up and said I'm trans and he would say 115 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,439 to them there, you can be a boy or you 116 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,200 can be a girl, but you can't be either take 117 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:37,039 your pick one or the other. And so this probably 118 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,039 really irritated the shooter because not only was he the 119 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,919 romantic relationship with the guy, but also a guy that 120 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,799 was transitioning to be a woman, and so all of 121 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,960 what Charlie Kirk said probably didn't have phase the guy 122 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:57,080 at all before he got into this relationship. The shooter 123 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,279 got thirty four out of thirty six on his ACT exam, 124 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,879 really high score, four point zero. Student smart guy grew 125 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,960 up in a very conservative MAGA household. Mom and dad 126 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:20,799 are big supporters of MAGA and so there's a lot 127 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,159 of people at that age who maybe just have a 128 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,480 rebellious gene in them. And if mom and dad are 129 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,080 conservative Christians and Republicans, it may come out that he 130 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,720 was just I'm against everything mom and dad is. Again four, 131 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,039 I'm going to be anti Republican. I'm going to be 132 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,919 anti everything that they stood for. So we'll find out. 133 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:50,559 It just goes on. But if he's so smart book smart, 134 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,799 he had to do the dumbest thing ever because this 135 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,960 has ruined his life. And if he may get the 136 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,399 death penal, we don't know, but certainly he's not going 137 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,799 to see freedom ever again. You think it was worth it, 138 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,240 and then to use hatred because of your hatred just 139 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,919 seems backwards. I'll tell you one other thing that seems 140 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,159 backward as well, and that is in fact Charlie was 141 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,399 wearing on the day he was killed. He had a 142 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,399 T shirt on white T shirt and in black letters 143 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,679 across the front it said freedom. And one of the 144 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,159 things that he was big on was freedom of speech. 145 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:35,879 And that's why he invited people, especially those who disagreed 146 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,879 with him, to come up and, with the freedom of speech, 147 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,360 say what they think and listen to what he thought, 148 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,039 and they could have a dialogue back and forth. So 149 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,080 we got freedom of speech. And Charlie obviously was very 150 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:53,159 much in favor of freedom of speech. And there's some 151 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,279 interesting things going on in our society right now where 152 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,960 a lot of people. The stories are endless of people 153 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,320 that are coming out and saying bad things about Charlie Kirk, 154 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,399 and they're doing it in a public way, and they 155 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,480 get fired. We've got a bunch of teachers. We've got 156 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,799 a nurse who took on a doctor who said something bad. 157 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:19,399 Now the nurse has lost her job and the doctor resigned. 158 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:24,600 Today a long list of people that are being fired 159 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:27,480 because of the fact that coming out and saying, you know, 160 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:29,360 they didn't like Charlie Kirk and he was a bad 161 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,240 guy and all this sort of negative stuff, and so 162 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:36,360 they're being fired. So they're being fired. But wait a minute, 163 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,799 Charlie was for freedom of speech, and as much as 164 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,879 freedom of speech isn't about nice speak. Freedom of speech. 165 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:46,799 The first Amendment is to protect the unnice speech, the 166 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,919 uncomfortable speech. But there's a problem with that. That's the 167 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,200 first Amendment, and people keep getting it confused with they 168 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:02,399 can say anything anytime, anywhere, and you can't. The government 169 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:07,799 cannot stop your speech, but your employer can. As some 170 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:13,120 people forget that and stuff talk about about stupid. Why 171 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:18,159 would you publicly go out and in in a form 172 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,879 that everybody knows where you work and it gets back 173 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:23,559 to your employer, they're gonna dump you. We don't need that, 174 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,600 we don't need the fallout from what you're talking about. 175 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:37,480 So they're getting fired because there is not freedom of speech. 176 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: At work. 177 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: Your employer can get rid of you in an instant 178 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:48,279 if you say something they don't like. It's always been 179 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,360 that way. The other thing I'm thinking about is as 180 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,519 they're talking about social media, you know, and I know 181 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:03,279 that Russia and China iran some of our countries out 182 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,840 there that we are adversarial relationships, and they are very 183 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,799 good at cyber attacks. That they're loving this. They want 184 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,480 to divide America and divide Americans, and this is on 185 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:23,080 the silver platter for them because people now are either 186 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,799 four were not for shooting Charlie Kirk, but they were 187 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,440 for his beliefs. Where they were against his beliefs. But 188 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,159 now they're fighting over that, like they never really cared 189 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:40,919 that much before. So where are we going to start today? 190 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,480 Oh and they're asking about I see the police and 191 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:47,840 are going, well, we have to find out the motive. 192 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:53,360 I don't know. I'm sure they'll find out more information, 193 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:58,960 but the motive seems to be clear. Charlie Kirk talked 194 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:04,519 about the fact to trans people that there's you're either 195 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,399 a boy or you're a girl, there's no in between. 196 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:12,600 He said things about the fact that he didn't approve 197 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:17,080 of the LGBTQ lifestyle. And so here's this guy who's 198 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,519 got a boyfriend living in a gay lifestyle with somebody 199 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,399 that is transitioning. I mean, it just obviously irritated the 200 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,919 guy beyond what I mean. You can get angry about 201 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:34,519 what people say, but I mean this guy obviously did 202 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:39,960 not have a governor to pull in his evil thoughts, 203 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:44,279 so evil took over. Where are we going to start? 204 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:48,840 How about getting along with each other? This is Tim Burushett. 205 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:53,960 He's a Republican from Tennessee. He's kind of a good 206 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,879 old boy and just kind of says it like it is. 207 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:59,879 He was asked about maybe the Republicans and Democrats and 208 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,159 Congress can get along. 209 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: Well, I have a history of my partisanship. As I 210 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:07,720 mentioned earlier, my friend Jared Moscowitz and I are very close. 211 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,320 We talk every day, we talk on the floor, we 212 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,919 talk about what's going on. But you know, ma'am, the 213 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,200 reality is that's not going to happen. Let's just be honest. 214 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:20,399 It doesn't get you elected. It does it back home. 215 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,320 It's the red meat that gets you elected. Pointing the 216 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,919 finger and the Democrats currently point in the national media 217 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,360 frankly points at Trump. I was later eating the news 218 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,879 relations that it's just some vile, that real stuff, even 219 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,120 directed towards Charlie Kirk. And you know, it's never going 220 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,279 to change, ma'am, until we have a real revival in 221 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,600 this country. And and that hopefully what happens someday. But 222 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:44,720 right now, it looks like it's going to be more 223 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,000 of the same. It's a clickton bait. It's getting re elected. 224 00:15:47,039 --> 00:15:49,960 It's red meat. And that's what politics is about today. 225 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:52,600 And that's frankly what it's always been about we can 226 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:55,679 have these talks, and we can have these professors come 227 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,240 on and of political science and sociologists and all this 228 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,080 and talk about that. That's not what's going to happen. Man, 229 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:07,639 America is so tone deaf to all that they want. 230 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,519 They want the hate, and that's what politicians, right. 231 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: I think he's right. You may not like to hear 232 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,919 that because everybody's talking about, Oh you think, do you 233 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,240 think we're all going to get along now better? I 234 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:23,440 think this is the turning point. And I I'm with 235 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:28,679 tim Bershett. I don't think anything will change. Oh do 236 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:31,480 you think things are going to get worse? Oh? Maybe, 237 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,759 But I don't think things are going to get all 238 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:39,000 of a sudden we're going to be kumbaya. This reminds 239 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:46,399 me of sadly when George Floyd died and people said, oh, 240 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,960 because there were all the riots and Black Lives Matter, 241 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:52,039 we're running through the cities and it was burning down 242 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,879 police stations. It was a mess, and people said, that's 243 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,399 this is it, this is where race relations are going 244 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,240 to be better from here on out. And I set 245 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:04,440 it on my radio show at the time, I said, 246 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,559 I don't think so. I mean I would. I hope so, 247 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,480 But I just people don't. We don't. We don't change 248 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:20,400 with a flip of the switch. We gradually change in cultures, 249 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,799 and we can we can argue that's really what we're 250 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,039 arguing about. We're not arguing about politics. We really are not. 251 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,000 I mean, Republicans have been for smaller government and less 252 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,079 taxes since the day I was born, and Democrats have 253 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,720 been for more taxes and bigger government since the day 254 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:43,160 I was poor. That hasn't changed. I don't think it 255 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,680 will ever change. But nobody goes around killing anybody over it. 256 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:50,880 We just disagree with each other on it. But when 257 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,079 it comes to culture or social or whatever you want 258 00:17:55,119 --> 00:18:00,200 to call it, not politics, but our culture is where 259 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:05,359 the emotions come out in our disagreements. I can say 260 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:10,039 Democrats want bigger government, more taxes, and I'm not breathing 261 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,000 heavy talking about it. But you get me going on 262 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,119 some social issue, cultural issue, yeah, you get people heated up. 263 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:24,599 Just like tim Bershat was saying, people pay attention to 264 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:30,519 extremist comments. That's what they have always done. David Urban, 265 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,720 longtime spokesman for the Republican side of the Aisle. Then 266 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:40,839 Kate Bedenfield who is a very good spokeswoman, great spinmeister 267 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:46,240 for Democrats. We're talking about this earlier today and about 268 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:52,319 extreme views get the attention, and if you get the attention, 269 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:59,240 you get the money. It raises money. It's more financially 270 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:01,359 beneficial if you do something extreme. 271 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,599 Speaker 2: Here they are, Yeah, Pam, I don't know how he 272 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:04,960 got there. 273 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,279 Speaker 4: I think it's a you know, combination of lots of things, right, 274 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:10,839 there's disconnections in society people. You know, there's there's it's 275 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,880 it's multisymptomatic. I don't think you know, as you alluded to, 276 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,559 it didn't happen overnight. We're not going to get out overnight. 277 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,319 And I think you know there is there there are 278 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:25,559 Governor Utah Governor coined this phrase the other day, you know, 279 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,599 conflict entrepreneurs, which I think is a really interesting way 280 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:33,400 to look at things. But social media doesn't reward people 281 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:36,160 like Kate myself who are moderates who kind of come 282 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,160 to the middle. You know, we don't have millions of 283 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:44,119 followers on Twitter, on Facebook or on Instagram because we're moderates. 284 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: More extreme you. 285 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,319 Speaker 4: Are in your party, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, 286 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:49,799 the algorithm rewards that right, there's money to. 287 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 5: Be made there. 288 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,839 Speaker 4: And so if you're a House member, if you're a 289 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,200 moderate House member, you kind of get lost in the cacophony. 290 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,359 But if you're AOC or, if you're Marjorie Taylor Green, 291 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,920 you millions of dollars, you're at the top of your shows. 292 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:05,960 You're you know, you're out on the road talking different groups. 293 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,119 People pay you to come and speak to their groups. 294 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,599 And so that that whole conflict entrepreneurial system, I think 295 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,119 rewards people who are more extremely and by the way, 296 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,039 the way our Congress is set up, right, of the 297 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:20,200 four hundred and thirty five House members, they're about twenty 298 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,480 that actually have to campaign if you're a moderate. 299 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: So I think, no question, Jerry mannering is a part 300 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:24,839 of it. 301 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,519 Speaker 6: And I think social media creates almost a false sense 302 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,319 of community. It's like people think, well, if I'm talking 303 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,119 on this platform and people are hearing me and they're commenting, well, 304 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,200 you know that I'm engaged in political discourse. And the 305 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:38,200 reality is the discourse that happens on social media is 306 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,839 actually so far removed from where the vast majority of Americans, 307 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,359 everyday Americans are in terms of their politics and so 308 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:44,759 I do. 309 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: Think there's been a really distorting impact. 310 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,759 Speaker 6: And I will say when we travel and talk to people, 311 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,680 you you mostly hear people say, I don't really get 312 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,359 what's going on on Twitter. I don't like that conversation 313 00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:59,640 that's not doesn't represent me. You mostly hear people saying, 314 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:01,880 how are we going to get back to a place 315 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,359 where people with different viewpoints can actually work together? 316 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 4: An extremist get an outside voice on social media. That's 317 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,359 the problem, right, They're rewarded for it. You know, people again, 318 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,200 Kate and myself, we have more things in common when 319 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,440 we go, when we talk to groups, people are amazed 320 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,079 at how how much we share, how much common ally 321 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,759 we share. And I think, listen Charlie Kirk, like him 322 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:24,599 or not like him. What Charlie Kirk was doing is 323 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:27,319 he was doing exactly the right way. He was going 324 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,359 out meeting people on their own terms, meeting people where 325 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,359 they were and engaging in political discourse mark a place 326 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,119 of ideas. If you look at some of these videos, 327 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,119 some of the places where you look at you see 328 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,839 Charlie Kirk's most his humanity really shines through is people 329 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,359 who he really doesn't agree with, and in certain instances 330 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,960 whether religion, sexual orientation, some of the really big issues 331 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,480 he has the most pleasant discourse with. And somebody's getting listen, 332 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,279 it wasn't all perfect. He's a human, he wasn't a deity. 333 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,240 But he was doing it the right way. Right, we 334 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,440 should incur encourage more people to be like Charlie Kirk 335 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,680 b sides, I wish there was much more of that 336 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,839 going on in college campuses. But somehow along the way 337 00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:08,079 we got lost and and words became violence. And you know, 338 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,799 in college campuses people these kids got to be such 339 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,119 you know, they would be afraid if somebody said something 340 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,279 might hurt their feelings. Need to save space. We need 341 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,839 to get back where we can have discourse. We could 342 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,279 talk about things it's meant to be. It doesn't It's 343 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:20,680 not going to be comfortable all the time. They have 344 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,920 these discussions about race politics. There's lots of things that 345 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,359 are uncomfortable. Doesn't mean it's bad. We should be having those. 346 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,319 That's how you get to you get to common ally. Again, 347 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,799 to quote Charlie Kirk right, discourse is good. When you 348 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,200 stop talking, that's when the fights start. Large organizations, these 349 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,680 these you know, Mark Zuckerberg doesn't let his kids have 350 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,920 a phone. His daughters don't have phones. He limits the 351 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,799 amount of screen time they have. People are going to 352 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,039 lose out. They are very powerful forces here at work 353 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,079 that are trying to, you know, pull people in a 354 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:49,680 certain direction. 355 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: So I'm going to bounce around a little bit here. 356 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:54,200 So they're talking about, Yeah, we need to get along. 357 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,960 Timber Shed says, it's not going to happen. David Urban 358 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:02,720 I like him, but I don't think I think he's right. Again, 359 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:08,559 these guys are right. I love the term about conflict entrepreneurs. 360 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:12,440 There's a lot of money in politics, big hardball money, 361 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:17,319 and yes, they're they're in the business of creating conflict 362 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:23,799 because it creates money for them. Extreme always gets attention, 363 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,599 no question about it. Well, I've told the story before. 364 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,480 There was a book that came out in nineteen ninety, 365 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,920 and it was just as we were rolling over into 366 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 nineteen ninety. It was a business book and it was 367 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:41,079 about the great Depression is coming in the nineties. And 368 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,680 so it was written by this guy that I don't know, 369 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,720 a bunch of alphabets after his name, and I read 370 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,559 the book and I thought, well, that's interesting, except for 371 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,640 he kept dismissing the business cycle as if it did 372 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,119 not happen, and so he predicted all this doom and gloom. 373 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,920 I mean, it was going to be the worst deck 374 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,680 we had ever seen. And we know now that the 375 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,839 Natties were absolutely one of the best decades we've ever had. 376 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:12,640 But he sold a boatload of books because it was 377 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,799 all extreme and scary and forecasting the worst possible thing. 378 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:22,359 People ate it up. So I guess if you want 379 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,839 to get ahead, no the extreme, I guess that's one 380 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,119 way for some people. All right, let's let's take a 381 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,880 look here at tomorrow first court appearance for the shooter. 382 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:42,000 Elliott Williams, a New York lawyer, as says, this is 383 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:42,839 what's going to happen. 384 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 7: Oh well, John. More than anything else, it's an opportunity 385 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,160 to advise the defendant of the charges against him. We 386 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,319 in the public may have been chattering about it, but 387 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,960 the right that someone is guaranteed under the Constitution is 388 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,079 to be advised of what he's charged with. They're going 389 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,039 to tell him what the charges are. They will likely 390 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,799 give him an answer, an opportunity to respond in the 391 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,759 form of saying guilty or not guilty, and will then 392 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,519 likely set a calendar or schedule for the next series 393 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,680 of hearings that are going to come up, maybe even 394 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,640 the trial, although the judge may not set that for 395 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,279 some time. Again, we should be careful in characterizing the 396 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,519 fact is not cooperating because, as the prior guest had said, 397 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,920 Number one, it happens all the time. But more importantly, 398 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:25,440 it is his right under American law to not cooperate 399 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,160 with law enforcement. We've all heard about the Fifth Amendment. 400 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,599 You have the right to remain silent. Well, that's also 401 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,279 the right to not talk to police, you know, when 402 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,599 you're in custody and they're asking questions. Now, again, there's 403 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,920 plenty of evidence, it seems, of other people who are 404 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,240 willing to talk to law enforcement, and a case that 405 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,599 is appearing to be quite compelling based on physical evidence 406 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,240 that they're compiling. But again that doesn't have to come 407 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,200 from the defendant and quite and shouldn't. And to be clear, 408 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,119 you know, if people want this guy to go to jail, 409 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,440 the last thing on earth people want is him talking 410 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,559 to police because those kinds of state and it could 411 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:04,880 actually jeopardize a future trial if a statement was taken 412 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,519 from him improperly. So it's very important just let him 413 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,319 be silent if he wants to be silent quite a bit, 414 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,279 but it can be done. Look, there have been many 415 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,599 trials of the century in your lifetime, and mind and 416 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,880 juries can be found. 417 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 5: Now. 418 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 7: The challenge is not finding people who know nothing about 419 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,319 the case. It's finding people who, even if they know 420 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,920 something about the case, can set it aside and agree 421 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,440 to judge the defendant fairly. 422 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:28,559 Speaker 2: And those exist. 423 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,039 Speaker 7: There are a lot of people that don't follow the 424 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:32,519 news or even follow the news, and are willing to 425 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,480 sort of put that aside. The bigger challenge here is 426 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,319 if in fact they are proceeding with the death penalty. 427 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,839 That's the second perdle in picking a jury. Prosecutors are 428 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,640 going to be looking for people not just who are 429 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,480 prone to convicting, but also are prone to convicting and 430 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:50,559 then assigning a death sentence. Conversely, defense attorney's gonna be 431 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,279 looking for people who are going to quit, but also 432 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,640 if he's convicted, not getting him executed. So that's a 433 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,119 more complicated jury selection than you usually see. 434 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,319 Speaker 1: So that whole process gets underway tomorrow and we'll give 435 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,559 you the details as they come. Rolling in. Robin Drinke, 436 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:11,000 former FBI agent, talking about Cash Betel getting some grief 437 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,359 about the fact that he put out a tweet saying 438 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,160 we have the person in custody before they did. He 439 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720 did it twice as a matter of fact. And also 440 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,640 this the whole business about the trans community. You know 441 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,000 what was strange about this is the guy we played 442 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,119 that We played him talking last week, the guy who 443 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:37,039 was at the microphone facing Charlie Kirk and they were 444 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,480 going back and forth, and he was he brought up 445 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,200 the question he asked Charlie Kirk about do you know 446 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,160 how many trans people have been involved in mass shootings? 447 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,000 And Charlie Kirk's last words were something like without without 448 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:59,039 counting gang violence, and that's when the bullet went off. 449 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,319 But this but a guy was talking to him about 450 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,960 the trans community and shooting and then you find out 451 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,880 that the shooter actually is in a romantic relationship with 452 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:21,720 a transitioning guy. Weird coincidental and well here's Robin Drake. 453 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,599 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, so Cash was really really good on doing 454 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960 a few things. He's talking about the investigation and which 455 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,960 is really good, you know, talking about this arc of 456 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,039 this online radicalization that he had. It has also kind 457 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:38,200 of showing all the transparency that the FBI is now having, 458 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,119 which is really good because we want open hozz communication, transparency, 459 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,519 and an element of vulnerability, which I'll get into on 460 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,880 Bongino a second, to re instill some trust and faith 461 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,880 on our organizations which were lost over years. But really 462 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,359 going into the amount of leakage that this individual had, 463 00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,279 and you said that he was described as being quiet, 464 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,680 which is kind of interesting because we're getting so much 465 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,640 data in details on what his thoughts and ideas were, 466 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,359 and so that's what I've really got for them. 467 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, he mentioned Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the FBI, 468 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,279 and this is what Bongino had to say earlier today. 469 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 9: There were people in his network, friends and family who 470 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,680 had stated that he had become more political, that he 471 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,279 had become at some parts. I believe some of his 472 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,160 coworkers had stated that he had kind of detached himself 473 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,279 when the topic of politics came up and walked away 474 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,759 from them. Family members said he'd become more political, leading 475 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,920 us to believe that this ideology had infected him and 476 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,880 had taken over. 477 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,119 Speaker 1: So these other people, whether it's the boyfriend or whether 478 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,599 it's people in a group chat, did they know about 479 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,920 what he was going to do. Are they possibly accessories 480 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,559 after the fact? Back to Robin Dry, Yeah. 481 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,039 Speaker 2: I definitely could. 482 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 8: But as you know, the deputy director was saying, there's 483 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,200 a lot more investigation to go on here. Was it's 484 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680 really striking to me is that he was surrounded by 485 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,039 a lot of people in his life that obviously had 486 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,480 a lot of group think in a certain way of thinking, 487 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,319 which was very very healthy, very communicative. And then as 488 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:13,359 he started this in himself, from that, he's going to 489 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,319 get that validation from somewhere else. 490 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,519 Speaker 2: Hence we go to the online radicalization. 491 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 8: And really when we think about online radicalization, it really 492 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,440 comes down to one simple thing. 493 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,839 Speaker 2: It's where curiosity dies. 494 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,599 Speaker 8: And so he got entrenched into that mindset and anything 495 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,079 that's going to go against it and against how he 496 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480 saw himself and as he saw his partners, what he's 497 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,960 going to start escalating towards rage, hatred, discontent and obviously violent. 498 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well that's what we're seeing. 499 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,319 Speaker 8: So it's actually just him saying what he's doing, so 500 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:46,079 we can see it in his statements, we can see it, 501 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,119 and that's why I think he really targeted Charlie kirk Hears, 502 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,839 because Charlie was a very curious person. He is very 503 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,359 set in his mindset and what he believed in, obviously, 504 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,880 but he's always asking discovery questions. And so this is 505 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,279 what this individual, this horrible Sasas never did. He was 506 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,200 always arguing what he thought rather than being curious about 507 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,039 what you thought. And that's what Charlie did really well. 508 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,680 I think that's why there's such a clash in his 509 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,920 mind about why he wanted to get rid of him. 510 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,000 So he fits a profile of a typical loan shooter, 511 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,559 and so at any time someone kind of fits a pattern, 512 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,079 what I'd like to do is kind of look at 513 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:20,200 what doesn't fit the pattern. And so all these things 514 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,440 we've been talking about so far is what deviates from 515 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,160 that pattern. But one thing that is always prevalent is 516 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160 there's a triggering moment where something kind of tipped him 517 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,359 over the edge from rage and discontent into violence. I'm 518 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000 very curious to whether they discover something having to do 519 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:35,880 with the roommate, because a lot of things having to 520 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,000 do around the trans world, not necessarily as an ideology, 521 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,839 but around the person he cared the most about. So 522 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,839 I'm really curious of what they are going to discover 523 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,519 in the investigation. That might have been a triggering moment, 524 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,039 because really the only person that knows is him. I 525 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,279 think it's going really, really well. And a lot of 526 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,039 reason why it's going well is, as the director said 527 00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,400 the very beginning, he traveled out to on the site 528 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,599 to help bypass the bureaucracy that typically goes so they 529 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,240 can make things happen at a much rapid rate. And 530 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,160 also the amount of data that's coming in the leads 531 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,640 the ideas all this information is coming in is also 532 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,920 making it not just great for this investigation, but it's 533 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,759 going to help further on future investigation. 534 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,319 Speaker 1: So let's go full SERVI here. We'll go back around 535 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:22,319 to the social media business. And no, it's not going 536 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,160 to go away. But professor University of Chicago's name is 537 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,279 Robert Pape and he has studied social media since it 538 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,960 first was created. Here's what he think. 539 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,279 Speaker 5: We are at a watershed moment. I call this the 540 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,920 era of violent populism in America. Violent populism is defined 541 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,440 really by two things. First, we are seeing a rising 542 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,920 tide of political violence on both the right and the 543 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,599 left just since two thousand and two. Think about the 544 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:01,000 political assassinations and assassination attempts against Conservatives, Supreme Court Justice 545 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,039 Brett Kavanaugh, Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi missed 546 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:09,640 her almost killed her husband. Two assassination attempts against candidate 547 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,759 Republican candidate for President Donald Trump, the assassination attempt against 548 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:20,960 Governor Josh Shapiro in June, the assassinations and assassination attempts 549 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,200 against Democratic political leaders in Minnesota, and now the assassination death. 550 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,039 Speaker 2: Of Charlie Kirk. 551 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:34,759 Speaker 5: The second big feature of violent populism is art. I've 552 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,400 been studying political violence for thirty years. I think isis 553 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,720 but in the last five years American political violence and 554 00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:46,240 conducting surveys of support for political violence among Americans. Our 555 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,359 most recent survey in May found thirty nine percent of 556 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,599 Democrats agreed that the use of force was justified to 557 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,200 remove Donald Trump from the presidency thirty nine percent. So 558 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,359 we found twenty four percent of Republicans agreed that the 559 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,400 use of the US military to suppress Democratic protesters was justified. 560 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,960 These are from These represent tens of millions of people 561 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,760 on both sides of the aisle, and that's why you're 562 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,320 seeing the rising tide of political violence on both sides. 563 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: And here's my favorite Governor Cox out of Utah preaching 564 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,679 about social media. 565 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 10: I believe that social media has played a direct role 566 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,199 in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have 567 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,199 seen over the last five six years. There is no 568 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,159 question in my mind that cancer probably isn't a strong 569 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719 enough word what we have done, especially to our kids. 570 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,159 It took us a decade to realize how evil these 571 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:51,159 algorithms are. 572 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: And don't forget to burn your elvis records. Here's Professor Pape. 573 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,119 Speaker 5: Social media is like pouring gasoline on the fire, but 574 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,519 it's not the fire itself. My research shows that we 575 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,159 are being driven by a big social change in that 576 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,840 is driving support for political violence, much the way social 577 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,280 change has driven political violence in other countries, but the 578 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,199 details of the social change differ. We are going through 579 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,079 a historic change for the first time in the two 580 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,000 hundred and fifty year history of our country, from a 581 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:33,119 white majority democracy to a white minority democracy. In fact, 582 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:38,000 the tipping point generation for this started about ten years ago. 583 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,239 In nineteen ninety we were seventy six percent non Hispanic white, 584 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:47,239 today fifty seven percent another ten years before, forty nine percent. Well, 585 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,480 this helps to explain the meteoric rise of Donald Trump 586 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,039 why his signature issue is immigration that's gathered so much support, 587 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:57,480 because there are many people that like to slow down, 588 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:01,400 maybe even reverse this change. This also explains the virulent 589 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:05,119 opposition to MAGA by many parts of the left, because 590 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:06,960 there are many people on the left who want to 591 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,360 continue this change. These is the reason why we can 592 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,840 predict the rise of violent populism and left to its 593 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,960 own devices, this will get worse. 594 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: Heck of a wait in the podcast today is going 595 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,000 to get is gonna be bad? I don't think so. 596 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,000 I think social media has been around long enough where 597 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,559 it has had already various iterations. I mean, everybody that 598 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,519 was in college was on Facebook. That's what it started with. 599 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,840 And now there isn't a college kid that it even 600 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,480 knows where Facebook is. They're all off on I don't know, 601 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,159 Snap or TikTok or some Oh. Speaking of TikTok, apparently 602 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,199 the President is going to have a phone call with 603 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,760 President she from China on Friday, and apparently they've they've 604 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,639 got some deal they think is going to work out 605 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:04,039 to where TikTok will stay in business. But but you 606 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,760 see my point going back to it's moved where people. 607 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,719 Young people go one direction, older people go a different place. 608 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,320 On social media, you're not going to get rid of 609 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,639 social media. You're not going to get rid of the telephone. 610 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,159 You're not going to get rid of a lot of 611 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:26,199 different technologies that people use anyway. So you want to 612 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,440 talk about how Wall Street did today, Well, let's take 613 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,519 a look the dow. Yeah, it's positive, it was up 614 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,239 just forty nine, forty nine points higher. Everybody's kind of 615 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,159 sitting on their hands, I think, until Wednesday when the 616 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,559 Fed decides what to do. So up forty six today 617 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,360 to doubt forty five thousand and eight, eighty three s 618 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,239 some p up thirty NASDAC up two hundred and seven, 619 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,880 the price of gold thirty four dollars higher, up to 620 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,079 thirty seven twenty one, and oil up most of a 621 00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,599 dollar now sixty three dollars in some change for a 622 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,840 barrel of oil. So thank you for coming by today. 623 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,199 We are going to be back again tomorrow, and I 624 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,320 hope to see you then.