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He's got his 29 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,760 own show on the ESPN seven hundred airwaves of the 30 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:17,000 Afternoon Drive two to six pm. It's the Drive with Spence. 31 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:19,400 Check it's He's on the line, Spence. How you living, brother? 32 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:21,439 Speaker 4: I'm good man. 33 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 5: I love this week. It's been really fun so far. 34 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,239 Looking forward to the rest of it and looking forward 35 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,760 to what I think he's going to be an epic 36 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:30,439 historic Saturday night in Provo for the people that will 37 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:31,040 be in Provo. 38 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 39 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: How unique in singular is it to have the rivalry 40 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,680 back in the same conference. 41 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: Right? 42 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,439 Speaker 3: For too long they were separated by conference affiliation, years 43 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:46,840 were taken off. You know, I always felt like the 44 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:49,920 student athlete was the one that was deprived of these 45 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,719 unique and singular competitive experiences. We know that college football 46 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,200 was built on rivalries. How special is it now for 47 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,439 these student athletes the community to have it the time 48 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480 and place it's at right now with the conference affiliation included. 49 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,599 Speaker 5: Well, the conference affiliation and the fact that both teams 50 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:09,840 are still very much alive and in the race to 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,759 win the conference, and if you are there at the end, 52 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,400 and there really is a dynamic in play that this 53 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:21,759 conference could get two teams in if the cards fall 54 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,080 where they need to fall. And neither of these programs 55 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 has ever been to a CFP. The fourth time in history, 56 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,719 these two teams have been ranked in the AP Top 57 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,719 twenty five. Fox Big Noon in Town, I mean, with 58 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,719 a prime time slot and the game on Fox, there 59 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,400 is a chance this will be the most watched game 60 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,759 in the one hundred plus year history of Utah BYU football. 61 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:48,439 I think more people will be exposed to this rivalry 62 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:50,960 than have ever been exposed to it before. And there's 63 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,719 so much on the line. There's always a lot on 64 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:55,520 the line. I mean, these two teams could stink and 65 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,639 there would be a lot on the line, but they're 66 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,319 both really good and BYU passed every test that's been 67 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,479 put to them so far. Utah loss to a team 68 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,840 who I think, you know, it's probably time to say 69 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,759 Texas Tech isn't just potentially the best team in the 70 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:11,759 Big twelve, but maybe one of the top five or 71 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:12,759 sixteams in the country. 72 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: So a lot on the line. 73 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:19,159 Speaker 5: Primetime slot night games in Provo are a lot of fun. 74 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,319 That stadium is going to be loud and proud, and 75 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,400 millions of people across the country will be exposed to it. 76 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,039 Speaker 4: So very much looking forward to Saturday night. 77 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 5: Compelling, compelling stuff. 78 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, over the last thirty years, I was kind of 79 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,439 running the numbers, and let's say thirty one years going 80 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,960 back to when Ronnie Mack took over the program at 81 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,719 the University of Utah. Since that moment, the rivalry shifted 82 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 and Utah became the winner of this rivalry. Nineteen wins 83 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,800 for them, twelve losses. So b Wait only has twelve 84 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,759 wins in that span of time, and most of those 85 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,840 wins came in the independent era for BYU, in the 86 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:59,120 PAC twelve era for the University of Utah, and many 87 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:01,919 of those any of those games, I think we're decided 88 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,639 by one score, like eight or less points. 89 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: And so I don't know you mentioned the national coverage 90 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,199 of this. 91 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:13,919 Speaker 3: I don't know, and you maybe have a better finger 92 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,600 on the pulse of the national scene a bit because 93 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,600 you've been around, you have many connections around the country. 94 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,160 Do they really know what this rivalry is all about? 95 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,920 The emotion, the religion aspect, the communal aspect of it, Like, 96 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:33,040 do they really know what this rivalry is all about? 97 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:33,439 Speaker 2: Spence? 98 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 5: I don't think you can unless you have lived here. 99 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:43,360 I don't think you can unless you've played in the game, 100 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:47,160 coached in the game, attended one of the schools covered 101 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:47,800 this game. 102 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: I mean it's. 103 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 5: I think from a macro standpoint, people respect it and 104 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,959 get that it's heated, But unless you've been in the mix, 105 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,000 I don't think there's any way you POSSI can. I mean, 106 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:04,319 it's it's unique for me because my grandfather may he 107 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:07,959 Rest in Peace, was a Cougar Club member, and so 108 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:10,079 I started going to this game when I was two, 109 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,240 and you know, throughout the course of my upbringing, even 110 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,279 when we moved back East, I made sure to stay 111 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,360 locked into this game. I would stay up until midnight 112 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,639 back East, even to watch BYU and Utah basketball back 113 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:27,800 at Big Mondays back in the day. Then I moved 114 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,279 back out here, I went to the U. All five 115 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:32,800 of my siblings went to BYU. All five of my 116 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,879 siblings met their spouse at BYU. My dad went to 117 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:38,959 both schools, so he'll tell you that, you know, he 118 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,480 walks the defense. But my parents both went to BYU. 119 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:47,639 And so I've been either going to this game, attending 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,879 this game, or covering this game for basically forty five years. 121 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,079 I'll tell you how old I am, and obviously you played. 122 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,120 So to answer your question, I do think from a 123 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,800 macro stand, it's respected and it's understood how big it 124 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,079 is by people that cover the sport or love college football. 125 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:08,079 But I just don't think there's any way you can 126 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,839 fully understand it unless you've been in it for a 127 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:11,360 long time. 128 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:17,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm currently trying to pen a piece about this 129 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,040 rivalry game, you know, and how like these different elements 130 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,279 that make it super unique to our community. And coming 131 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,920 from the state of Arizona, I had no idea what 132 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,399 this rivalry was about until I experienced it for myself, 133 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,399 and I'm gonna try to put it into words. It'll 134 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,399 be interesting to see how it's received. The tribalism, the enmity, 135 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,160 the social comparison, like the competitive comparison culture that we 136 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,199 all fall prey to in our social lives, but how 137 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,160 it leaks over into the gridiron onto the football field, 138 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:50,839 it's truly unique. But Spence, what have you been delving 139 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,240 into as far as your topics are concerned. 140 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: This week thus far? 141 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: What have you delved into as far as from your pulpit, 142 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,480 what you've pontificated. 143 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,879 Speaker 5: On how similar these programs are now and how similar 144 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,839 these teams are now and how they want to play 145 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:10,199 the same way. I mean, I started to notice really 146 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,079 a few years back, but it was heightened when Jay 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,480 was hired. It was heightened when they hired Jay that 148 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 BYU is now covered on a national scale and written 149 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,800 about on a national scale and talked about on a 150 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,279 national scale the same way Utah is. It's a fast, 151 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 physical defense. The defense is now given the benefit of 152 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:32,839 the doubt at BYU in a way that it wasn't 153 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:34,800 back in the day. And it's not to say, like 154 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:37,279 I had Jim Herman on the show on Monday, defensive 155 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 end for that eighty four national championship team. It's not 156 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,680 to say they didn't have great defenses here or there, 157 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,319 but the defenses were overshadowed by the Steve Youngs and 158 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:49,959 the Jim McMahons and ty deveryn Win's a heisman. I mean, BYU. 159 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Their reputation was great quarterbacks, Lavell the inventor, pioneer of 160 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,160 the modern day forward passing game. And so there were defenses. Certainly, 161 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:02,319 you can't win a national championship or a bunch of 162 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,600 conference championships without great defenses. 163 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: But now it's like, well, i'll give you. 164 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:10,519 Speaker 5: For instance, when the Rex last stuff went down, no 165 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,199 part of me thought, Okay, that's a damning piece of 166 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,480 info for BYU this year. No part of me thought 167 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:17,000 that that was going to change the scope of who 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,959 they could be because I know Jay Hill, and I 169 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,079 know that defensive personnel, and Keanu transfers to BYU, and 170 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:27,639 you have potentially the best linebacking duo in the Big 171 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,240 twelve with Glasker and Kelly. Oh, by the way, Realk, 172 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:32,399 is Jack gonna play? You guys know as Jack playing. 173 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: I mean, there were flirtations with him playing last week. 174 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,559 I imagine, I imagine he will try to give it 175 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,519 a go. I wonder if he'll be cleared right like 176 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,799 the shoulder injury. Yeah, you know, he could probably play, 177 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:51,279 but there could be contrary indications if he were to 178 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,000 dislocate or injury it again. So I think it'll be 179 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,600 kind of a collaborative effort. But they may, I mean, 180 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,000 the medical staff may just say we're not allowing you 181 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,080 to do this because of long term injury. 182 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,039 Speaker 2: But you know Jack's going to try to play obviously. 183 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. But back to the point, just really 184 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,559 it's looking in a mirror. You have two dynamic quarterbacks. 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,519 You have two dynamic athletes, a quarterback that will run, 186 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,799 and two offensive coordinators that want their quarterback to run. 187 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:26,279 Speaker 4: BYU has a bell cow in LJ. 188 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,399 Speaker 5: Utah splits the carries between the Kari Rodgers and Wahaunt Parker. 189 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,320 But it's funny if you combine the production of Parker 190 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,879 and Rogers, it's pretty close to who LJ is just individually. 191 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,720 So it's you know, the two quarterbacks are going to rush. 192 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:45,799 They've got running backs that will also run the football, 193 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,639 and they want to run. A rod wants to run, 194 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,000 Jason Beck wants to run BYU's offensive line I. 195 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:53,639 Speaker 4: Think has been better than I thought they were going 196 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:53,879 to be. 197 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: In Utah's offensive line is potentially the best in the 198 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:57,840 Big twelve, and maybe one of the top two or 199 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,480 three units in. 200 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 4: The country there. 201 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 5: You know, it didn't used to be like this, But 202 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,279 it's like looking in a mirror, right, I mean, the 203 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,279 teams are similar, the coaching staff across pollination, the Utah 204 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,480 lums On BYU staff, the b YU lums On Utah staff, 205 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:17,720 you know. So ultimately that's kind of been one of 206 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:19,960 the main things we've been discussing, just how in the 207 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 modern day, with Kolani now ten. 208 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: Years building this program up, how. 209 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 5: How similar they are now and that didn't used to 210 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:27,960 be the case. 211 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 212 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,159 Speaker 3: No, I called it the Spider Man meme, you know, 213 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,279 because I'm not all that yet, right, but that's what 214 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,639 I see like amongst the that this generation. 215 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: It's the Spider Man meme. 216 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: And in one of the things we delve into, because 217 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,720 you really brought up some great points about this mirror 218 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,759 of this mirror effect that we're seeing in the cross pollination, 219 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,720 we kind of delved into the objective metrics of who's 220 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,000 the better quarterback leading their respective teams, you know, Devin 221 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,559 Dampier or Bear Bachmeyer, and you look up their stats 222 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,440 and you're like, oh my gosh, these guys are the 223 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:02,120 same freaking dude. Objectively speaking on the statistical outputs, I 224 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:03,720 don't know if you've looked at I just actually sent 225 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:05,679 you some of the comparative stats. 226 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: But you know, who's the better quarterback here? Are they 227 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,080 just the same? 228 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? 229 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fair question. And it's interesting because. 230 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:21,159 Speaker 5: You know Bears as a freshman, he had a couple 231 00:11:21,159 --> 00:11:25,000 of shaky moments against Arizona. That's to be expected. If 232 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:27,200 you're going to go with a true freshman, you're probably 233 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,759 accepting that there are going to be some moments in 234 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,039 big games where he's just going to look like he's eighteen, right, 235 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,639 And and so you know at a Roun on the 236 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,080 show and a Rod's assertion is this is a new 237 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:42,879 challenge for Bear, even if it's if it's at home. 238 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,600 They have not seen a defense like Utahs. They've not 239 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,559 seen a physical team like Utahs. So as far as 240 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,879 who the better quarterback is, I would probably lean Devin 241 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:54,600 a little bit right now, only because he's played more 242 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,639 college football. But there's not a big gap. And if 243 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,600 you're a BYU fan, I think it's really really interesting 244 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,919 to just witness what this young kid will do under 245 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,039 the brightest lights of his career. By far, and my 246 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,200 trepidation with Devin was can he do what he did 247 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,919 in New Mexico against big twelve defenses? A little nervous 248 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:20,120 about the passing numbers a year ago. You know, it's 249 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,799 interesting to dig into data. You also have to take 250 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,799 into account who these teams have played. So, for instance, 251 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:31,080 like ASU came into saw Lake last week and the 252 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:34,000 data indicated their rush defense was really good, but they 253 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:37,240 were susceptible through the air, and so all week I'm like, well, 254 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,320 Devon's gonna have to throw it twenty five thirty times. 255 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: He threw it twelve times. 256 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 5: You know, they just lined up across from ASU and 257 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:47,639 just bullied them. And these Utah offensive linemen it's like 258 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:51,679 watching a bar bouncer. They're picking these defensive linemen up 259 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,440 and they're throwing them. Now, will they be able to 260 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,600 do that against the BYU front that is also big, 261 00:12:58,639 --> 00:12:59,360 physical and. 262 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: Wants to get off the quarterback. I mean it's a 263 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,000 I think. 264 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,879 Speaker 5: It's a now. Now, Utah has played a really good 265 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,240 football team in Texas Tech, but the offensive line got handled. 266 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,960 I mean those Tech defensive linemen, those two g NS 267 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,559 or NFL guys, right, So Utah has seen a physical 268 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,960 front didn't pass the test, will be able to pass 269 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,879 the test against a front that's probably more physical than 270 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,080 any team they've played against outside of Tech. This game, 271 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,600 I think will be one lost in the trenches. But 272 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,679 as far as who the better quarterback is right now, 273 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,639 I probably go Devin slightly. But the potential this Bear 274 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:36,679 kid has, I think is through the roof. I think 275 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,480 it should be exciting if you're a BYU fan. 276 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, another thing I debated, and I've pulled up a 277 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,159 number of analytics Sagarin FPI, you know, try to get 278 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,879 a good feel for what the strength of schedule has been. 279 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,639 I didn't find a huge disparity, but let's go with 280 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:55,600 ESPN FPI. Utah is seventy first in the country in 281 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:57,639 their strength of schedule. I found that interesting. In Baus 282 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,480 at eighty fifth, so slightly more difficult schedule, and that's 283 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,480 maybe why Utah is favored going into this game because 284 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,519 of the form and fashion which they've won their slight 285 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,919 in ESPN SP plus from an efficiency metric, I think 286 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,039 Utah is at eighteen and Bous at twenty three. So 287 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,279 all of the data points are like, man, these guys, 288 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,679 these are these guys are the spider Man me. These 289 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,080 these are very similar programs in so many ways, and 290 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,440 I wonder is it a good thing or a bad 291 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,120 thing to have two quarterbacks that don't know anything about 292 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:35,720 this rivalry game, have no idea what they're getting into, 293 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:38,840 they've never experienced, as they're coming from different places on 294 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,919 geographically speaking, from different programs. Is it a good thing 295 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,559 or a bad thing that they don't have that like 296 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:49,440 upbringing with this rivalry lore surrounding them. 297 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:51,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really good question. It's a good point 298 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:54,840 and something I've discussed with both Wit and a Rod 299 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:57,759 this week. We're hoping to get Kalanie before the game 300 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,879 because once upon a time, I mean the coaching staff, 301 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:05,440 as we've already discussed, you know, they're familiar. 302 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:06,639 Speaker 4: Because a lot of them either. 303 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,879 Speaker 5: Played or coached at the other school that they're coaching 304 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:13,360 against now. But the recruiting footprint that both these programs 305 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,399 have developed, I mean, you just look at the rosters. 306 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,240 It's Texas, it's Florida, it's Carolina. 307 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: I mean, it's everywhere. 308 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,879 Speaker 5: It's all across the country, and that brings a unique 309 00:15:23,919 --> 00:15:27,279 element here as far as how do you approach this 310 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,960 week from the standpoint of helping these players understand the 311 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,279 magnitude of this game, or do you want to lean 312 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,519 into that to the point where it could be too much, 313 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:38,879 And then you get in their head. Do you like 314 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,480 the fact that they're just like, oh, yeah, we're just 315 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:42,720 playing another team this week, and I don't really know 316 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:45,240 what the answer is. I think that's an interesting dynamics 317 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,440 to consider. For instance, you know, my understanding of the 318 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,200 way Bronco used to coach this week was simply their nameless, 319 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,799 faceless players and it's another game. 320 00:15:56,879 --> 00:15:59,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a John woodwere Roah, he took a 321 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,360 job with the front Yeah that's what he would do. 322 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:01,799 Speaker 6: Yeah. 323 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. 324 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 5: Whereas Wit it's very clear like, no, we don't lose 325 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:06,320 to those guys. 326 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 4: This is different. 327 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,519 Speaker 5: So you run the risk of over hyping it to 328 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,519 the point because these are still young people whose frontal 329 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,000 cortex is still developing. Not to get too deep in 330 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,360 the weeds, but you know, you do not want to 331 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,399 overhype a young person to the point where they freeze 332 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,600 when the lights go on. So the balance between yes, 333 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,000 this is a rival and we don't lose to them, 334 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,080 and you just still have to prepare the same way 335 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,000 this week that's where this chess match between these two 336 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,399 coaching staffs. I think it's really really interesting. 337 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,639 Speaker 3: Give me your opinion on the dynamics of how these 338 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:51,679 coaches have, you know, maybe approach this this ribvaly through 339 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,720 how they articulate it. Right, So Kyle Whittingham seems to 340 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,919 be a little bit more like you know, petty, right, 341 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,360 he won't mention the name of BYU won't del then 342 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,799 he doesn't want to and the details you know, called 343 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:04,359 it the in state rivalry for years, and he just 344 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,880 kind of allude to the fact like, oh no, our 345 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,920 rivals are USC now in Colorado and other things, and look, 346 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,319 that's all finding well. But even in there is me 347 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:16,440 recent media press conference, it did kind of oz once 348 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,640 again of that petty competitor that has made him great 349 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,039 by the way, Klania, on the other hand, he's his 350 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,319 jovial self, full of gratitude, full of of kind of love, 351 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 you know, his love and learning mentality. Give me the 352 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,880 dichotomy of these two ways to coach from your perspective, 353 00:17:34,039 --> 00:17:36,200 the good, the bad, the beautiful, the ugly of it all. 354 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,039 Speaker 5: So I don't know this to be true because he's 355 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:43,839 never said this to me, but based off of the 356 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:50,160 way that Kyle approaches this week, I think he I 357 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,880 think he feels like that there are tremendous amounts of 358 00:17:55,079 --> 00:18:00,599 DYU alums BYU fans, BYU people that have never forgiven 359 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,000 him for saying no to his alma mater and saying 360 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:06,960 yes to the rival of his alma mater. You know, 361 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,240 there are stories about his family getting into it with 362 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:11,480 BYU fans. 363 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: I do. 364 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:15,279 Speaker 5: I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened with 365 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,200 his wife and son. 366 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: It's very easy to. 367 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,839 Speaker 5: Go online and see how many BYU fans have disparaging 368 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,799 things to say about Kyle. So he's never said this 369 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,920 to me, so I don't know it to be true, 370 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,640 But based off of his decision to use some of 371 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,960 the language you outlined, I think he's there's a part 372 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,799 of him that is either hurt or upset at some 373 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,160 of the things that BYU fans have said and done 374 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,480 to he and his family. 375 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 4: That's my guess. 376 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 5: I don't know. 377 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: Now. 378 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,279 Speaker 5: On the other side of it, Klanie is just the 379 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:53,920 best dude. He just is Like, if you don't like Kilanie, 380 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,039 it's a you problem, right, And so that's who he 381 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,400 is as a person. That's who he is as a coach. 382 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,400 Now he wants to beat your brains in. Don't get 383 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,599 me wrong. I mean, Colanie is as competitive as anybody 384 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,039 between the lines, but when it comes to the way 385 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:11,160 he just approaches life, that's just who he is. When 386 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,400 Colonie was the defensive coordinator up here, I did a 387 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,039 coaches show with him every week, and so we became friends, 388 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,079 and I genuinely feel like Kilanie is somebody who I 389 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,079 could call if I needed. 390 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:22,799 Speaker 4: To talk to somebody. 391 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,079 Speaker 5: And when I had him on the show last month, 392 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,079 as he was exiting the interview, he said, Hey, don't 393 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,920 forget I love you, bro. And there's no way Kyle 394 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,359 would ever say that to me, even. 395 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 4: Though I known Kyle forever. 396 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:41,799 Speaker 5: You know, It's it's just there's similarities as far as 397 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,319 how they believe football should be played. And I'm not 398 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,119 saying Kyle is not a loving, kind person. I'm just 399 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,279 saying Colonne is on a level that most people aren't, 400 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,119 let alone, coaches aren't now lost in the whole, like 401 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,839 Kyle wouldn't say anything about Bear. Five minutes later, he 402 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,240 gave an affe. You know, he was praising Colonnie effusively. 403 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: You know, with a. 404 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 5: Question he was asked five minutes after that. I can't 405 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,079 speak to. 406 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 4: Why Kyle Whittingham was very willing. 407 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 5: To break down the game of Sam Levitt and didn't 408 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,240 want to hear anything about Bart. 409 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 410 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 5: I thought that was a kind of an odd way 411 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,119 to approach it. But if I had to reduce it 412 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,799 to one thing, my guess would be there's a part 413 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:24,920 of him it's either hurt, angry, or whatever at some 414 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,039 of the treatment he feels like maybe he's received from 415 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:27,960 the YU fan base. 416 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 417 00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: No, I think, Look, we're a compilation of our anecdotes, right, 418 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,880 whether we want to believe that or not. In our 419 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,680 confirmation bias typically run strong, you know, and those experience, 420 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,920 those experiences cannot be you know, cast away so easily. 421 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: It's just a part of who we are as humans. 422 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: So I think that's point of commentary, and it's probably 423 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:55,839 accurate commentary. And I think from a BAU fan based standpoint, 424 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:58,519 I think the whole empathy of like who that person 425 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:00,880 is and what they've experienced needs to all so be discussed. 426 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,799 Now let me transition to this, and I think we 427 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,559 may have discussed it last time I had you on, 428 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:07,680 but I've gone through this debate in my mind about 429 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,960 the legacy of coywitting him indubitably he is the greatest 430 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,559 University of Utah coach all time? Right, football coach all time? 431 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,039 Is that legacy built more so off of winning the 432 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:26,119 rivalry in a dominant fashion? Or you know, double digit 433 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,039 win seasons, shared Pac twelve titles, you know some remarkable 434 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,960 You know that two thousand and eight season as a 435 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,799 head coach was remarkable, one of their best teams ever, 436 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:38,880 maybe their best team ever, et cetera. Like Where is 437 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,480 it more foundationally built as it pertains to maybe the 438 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,720 consumers right, because the media and the fans ultimately and 439 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:50,559 to a certain degree maybe with the school itself, determines 440 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,079 the kind of the legacy of a coach, I think, 441 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,759 and how they're immortalized. Is it based more so off 442 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,920 of dominating the rivalry game? Or is it built off 443 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:04,319 of the other wins, the double digit win seasons, the 444 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,759 big bowl games that they attended, etc. 445 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 5: Do you think I think it's a few things. I 446 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:12,920 think you hit a couple of dynamics there that are important. 447 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,960 I think, again, not to overuse the term, but if 448 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,319 I could reduce it to one thing. 449 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:21,799 Speaker 4: You know, football fans in the state. 450 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:25,559 Speaker 5: Of a certain age, namely mine, our formative years were 451 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:29,519 spent watching BYU kick Utah's head in every year after 452 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,440 Levell took over. I think it was nineteen and two 453 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,519 and twenty one years after Levell took over before Mac 454 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000 took the job. But when even when Mac took the 455 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,200 job and he and Levell became friendly and they were 456 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,519 doing the commercial and Utah was able to get some wins, 457 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:47,519 I think they won three straight in provo, there still 458 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,279 was this feeling that BYU was the better program overall 459 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:55,559 and BYU was kind of like the cooler program overall, right, 460 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:58,400 because they had the more conference championships, they had Heisman 461 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,799 Trophy winners, they had more NFL plas, and Matt started 462 00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:05,079 to change that a little bit. So when Urban came here, 463 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,559 he actually made Utah football cool in a way that 464 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:10,480 it wasn't prior to him coming here. 465 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,519 Speaker 4: And that two. 466 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,279 Speaker 5: Thousand and four team, I think two thousand and four 467 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,200 is the best team that we've ever had in the state. 468 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,920 That's my opinion, certainly the best Utah team I think 469 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,519 by far. My two thousand and eight Utah football friends 470 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,279 won't love this but I think two thousand and four 471 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,319 stops him. But Urban was only here for a moment 472 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:31,599 in time, So there was this seminal moment where Mac 473 00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:35,079 lays the foundation, Urban starts to build the house, but 474 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,720 then he leaves, and so then it's like, okay, wait, 475 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:42,240 we had this two year period where suddenly Utah football 476 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,880 was cool and they were beating BYU and they go 477 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,119 to a Fiesta Bowl and they stomp it and they're 478 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,400 undefeated and Alex Smith is the number one pick in 479 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,519 the draft, and like, okay, Utah Football's pool again. But 480 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,240 holy smokes, there's eight moments where you feel like the 481 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,079 guy who can continue it is with But then the 482 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,720 job comes open at BYU and everybody thought he was gone. 483 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,039 And I've had a couple like Jim Herman told the 484 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,839 story on my show this week that was wild. Lavelle 485 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,279 was being inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame 486 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,240 and Jim met Steve Young to drive to the ceremony together, 487 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,960 and when they were in the car, Witt called them 488 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,319 and said, I'm coming home. I'm taking the BYU job. 489 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:31,359 And they hang up and they celebrate and like, sweet 490 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,039 Kyle's coming back, you know, because Kyle's the guy that 491 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,920 both schools wanted, and everybody knew that this was the coach, 492 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:42,240 that this decision was going to be paramount to the 493 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,599 direction of both programs, whatever that meant. 494 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,559 Speaker 4: And so when Kyle said no. 495 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 5: To BYU and yes to Utah, that will endear him 496 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,839 to people up here forever. Okay, and then you wrap 497 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,720 see two thousand and eight is very very key in 498 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:03,400 this conversation because you know, Cincinnati went to a CFP 499 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,480 a couple of years ago, TC like a lot of 500 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,160 schools Boise State at a moment time, that's a good program. 501 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,759 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to diminish, but there are. 502 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 5: Plenty of schools that can find lightning in a bottle, 503 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,319 plenty of teams and find lightning in a bottle and 504 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,920 maybe have an undefeated season once and then they're back 505 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,079 into the ether and you never hear from them again. 506 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359 The fact that Kyle was able to replicate it in 507 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,200 two thousand and eight and go to a Sugar Bowl 508 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,640 and beat Alabama of all teams, of all programs, and 509 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,839 to beat Alabama and do that again and be the 510 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,440 BCS buster and then you get the Pac twelve invite. 511 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:41,799 Speaker 4: Right. 512 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,599 Speaker 5: So the two seminal moments that will always, in my opinion, 513 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,480 put Utah football in or trajectory that it took BYU 514 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,880 football a little while to come back from. 515 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 4: And they're there now. 516 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 5: Obviously they've won the last two and it's been four 517 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,680 years since Utah one. Are Kyle Whittingham saying no to 518 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,720 his alma mater and yes to the rival of aolma mater, 519 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,119 And then the PAC twelve didn't by becoming a reality, 520 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,440 and then the fact that they went to two Rose Bulls, 521 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,880 I mean lost both of them obviously, But I can 522 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,559 remember the first year in the PAC twelve. I was 523 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:14,279 doing the show at the time, as you remember, being 524 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,039 with Gordon Moson. It was our old show on the 525 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,680 old station, and we had a couple of PAC twelve 526 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,279 media members on our show and asked them a question, 527 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,880 how long until Utah goes to a Rose Bowl? And 528 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,599 they both said, like, oh, twenty five thirty years, right, 529 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,200 because so many programs in the PAC twelve had never 530 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,440 even gone. And the fact that it took I don't know, 531 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,400 six seven years, I believe, just to make the Rose Bowl. 532 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,400 Utah football in the Rose Bowl winning PAC twelve championship 533 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,839 sharing Pact twel championships, needing a bunch of things to 534 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,200 go their way, but nonetheless, the final result is the 535 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,440 final result. Just going to a Rose Bowl. You know, 536 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,799 there was an article written up here I think it was. 537 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,440 I think it was the trip that went into just 538 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:02,319 how much free publicity Rose Bull appearances are for the 539 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,319 institution of the University of Utah. 540 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 4: It was like thirty three million. 541 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 5: Eyes on Utah as a school as a result of 542 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,519 the football program, just going to the Rose Bowl, you know. So, Yes, 543 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,359 it's two thousand and eight DCS busting, it's getting invited 544 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,160 to the Pac twelve, it's winning at a high level. 545 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,920 But don't underestimate the impact of that seminal moment when 546 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,519 Kyle said no to BYU and yes to Utah, and 547 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,240 what that meant to people up here that lived a 548 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:36,640 generation of BYU football being better than Utah, being cooler 549 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,160 than Utah, and more or less beating Utah had to 550 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,440 head almost every single year. 551 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:44,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, you know, powerful commentary. I think you're spot on, 552 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,599 And what I'll I'd have wrinkle to it that I 553 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,200 don't know if we'll ever know unless Kyle would speak 554 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,400 to it on record, But I often wonder you know 555 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,599 what Lavelle advised Kyle. 556 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: To do in the those moments. 557 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: Remember Lavelle was, you know, he you know, I remember 558 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:09,200 hearing you know, mostly rumor, right, and they're from second 559 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,359 hand sources that were like his personal assistant and kind 560 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,599 of our second mom while we were there as BAU 561 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,599 football players. She stated, like, you know, Lavelle had yag 562 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,279 grown tired, but there was kind of a movement in 563 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:27,920 upper campus that disallowed his involvement with mentorship with players 564 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,400 going through maybe honor code or academic issues. 565 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: Right, what does a football coach do? 566 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,519 Speaker 3: You know, you know you've been coached before, they mentor 567 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:39,599 they advise, they rear you as an extension of your family. 568 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,799 That's what a great coach is traditionally done. And I 569 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,000 wonder if Lavell said, look, this is the state of 570 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,279 BYU athletics right now. 571 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,279 Speaker 2: It's great, it's marvelous. There's all these special things. 572 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: But where which institution is moving in the direction of 573 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,839 like high level winning and support institutionally? And I wonder 574 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,799 if maybe there is is a you know, there was 575 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,279 something there that he that that Kyle kind of after 576 00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,519 discussing it further with Levell, maybe he decided, Hey, you know, 577 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,720 I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the university. I think 578 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,440 it would be interesting. I don't know if it happened, 579 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,680 but I wonder. I mean, Lavell had to have been 580 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,440 consulted in those moments and his opinion had to have mattered, right. 581 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: That would be my guess. 582 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,839 Speaker 5: But a couple of things. I think that in that 583 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,039 moment after so after two thousand and four, when Urban 584 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,680 came here and changed everything, created the muss created language 585 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,039 that is still used to this day. Team down South 586 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,319 brought a very Michigan, Ohio state feel to it. You know, 587 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:45,240 that two year period cannot go without being talked about 588 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,359 and acknowledged in a very very seminal important way because 589 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,519 what that did, in addition to some initiatives at the 590 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,680 university research institutions on one, Utah football was then on 591 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,720 the radar of the PAC twelve right in a way 592 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,599 that BYU football just wasn't for a myriad of different 593 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,559 reasons that we get into and I know some people 594 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880 aren't comfortable with the whole like, yeah, they're just not 595 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,079 going to be into a religious school. It's not a 596 00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:14,960 cultural fit, it's not a political fit. 597 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 4: You can be uncomfortable with. 598 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 5: It all you want, but that's part of the deal. 599 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,000 So I'm sure Kyle saw, wait a second, there's a 600 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,200 chance that we will get a P five And obviously 601 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,400 now it's before, but there's a chance that this could 602 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,119 be a P five institution. And any football coach would 603 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,319 know if it's staying in a Mountain West or going 604 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,319 independent as BYU did, or getting an invite to the 605 00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,920 PAC twelve. If you're a coach and you want the 606 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,599 best chance to win, and you want the best chance 607 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,839 to make money, let's be honest, the PAC twelve fit 608 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,400 is going to be your preference. And by the way, 609 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,680 speaking of money, I'm sure well I know that there 610 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,640 were Utah boosters that in the twenty fourth hour came 611 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,839 to Doc Trail and said. 612 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,599 Speaker 4: How much is it going to take to keep them? 613 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 5: So there was a check written and and Kyle was 614 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,720 paid to coach here in a way that BYU just 615 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,680 wasn't going to pay him. And look, I adhere to 616 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:13,880 the golden rule. Man, we all know the golden rules. 617 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,960 You know what the golden rule is? 618 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: What is the golden rule? 619 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,559 Speaker 5: Well, we know the classic definition of the golden rule. Right, 620 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,519 do one to other's all that stuff and all that's great, 621 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,000 you should do that. Okay, In fact, this week, let's 622 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,480 all it's all adhere to that golden rule. But the 623 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,079 other golden rule that you learn as you age and 624 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,799 certainly understand this business is the man with the gold 625 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,799 makes the rules. Okay, there's your golden rule. The man 626 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,839 with the gold makes the rules. So the monetary compensation 627 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,599 that went received to stay here is certainly part of 628 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:52,039 the equation, but definitely understanding that the Pac twelve was 629 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,400 a potential reality for Utah football in the way that 630 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,200 it was never going to be for by I mean, look, 631 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,559 Bronco left because he got paid, but he also left 632 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,400 because independence was going to be a really tough route, right, 633 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:08,680 And so I'm sure part of that was steeked in 634 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,319 Kyle's decision making process. 635 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 4: Was the Bell involved, I honestly don't know. 636 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 5: To your point, it would be pretty criminal if you 637 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,119 don't kick the tires on what a legend like that thinks. 638 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,440 But it's been interesting, you know, to have this two 639 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,359 decade run with with up here and to see what 640 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,839 he's built, and I think this is probably it for him, 641 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,880 which is another topic we can get into as you want, 642 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,799 but I honestly don't know. 643 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 4: We have to see. 644 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens if Kyle 645 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,200 goes out a winner in this game. 646 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,759 Speaker 2: I think he retires if he. 647 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,559 Speaker 3: Doesn't get a win at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Man, he 648 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,680 could be trying to come back for another one, to 649 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,079 give it one last shot. Spence Check its ladies and 650 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,519 gentlemen to drive on ESPN seven hundred, follow him on 651 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,759 X for all of his takes, and listen to him 652 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,559 on the radio on the stream on his podcast Spence 653 00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:58,480 We Solutionally. We appreciate you man, thanks for joining us 654 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,960 today for an insider slash know the faux segment. 655 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 5: Was a pleasure. 656 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,519 Speaker 4: Man had a great week with chats stand Okay. 657 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: My pleasure, my blessings, Bence Check's ladies and gentlemen. 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Brought to 667 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:40,480 you by Dental prodem Utah dot com. 668 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:41,359 Speaker 4: I don't like it. 669 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 6: In fact, I hate everything about I hate the program, 670 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,319 I hate their fans, I hate everything. 671 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,079 Speaker 2: So it felt really good to send those guys home. 672 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,039 Speaker 6: They didn't deserve it. It was our time and it 673 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,559 was our time to win. We deserved it. We played 674 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,400 as hard as we could tonight and it felt really 675 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,000 good again to send him home, to get him out 676 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:57,240 of here. 677 00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 4: So you know, game we always remember. 678 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,359 Speaker 6: I mean, I think I think their whole I think 679 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,599 the whole university and their fans, and then the organization 680 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,279 is classless. 681 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:05,599 Speaker 4: I think. 682 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 6: You know, they throw they threw the beer on my 683 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,440 family and stuff last year and did a whole bunch 684 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,840 of nasty things, and I don't respect them, and you 685 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,559 know they deserve to. 686 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,679 Speaker 2: They deserve There you go, let's get into it. 687 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 3: A little Keeping up at the Cougar sement brought to 688 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,920 you by Dental Pros of Utah. Dentalprosoutah dot com. If 689 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,760 you've been told you need a filling a crown. 690 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:24,159 Speaker 2: And rooking out. 691 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 3: All I'm asking you to do is get a second 692 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,400 opinion at Dental pros of Utah in American Fork. All right, 693 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,079 let's welcome in the winning his quarterback and be what 694 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,079 you football history and arguably the most competitive my teammate. 695 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:36,920 We got Max Hall on the line right now, Maximus, 696 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,840 how the heck are you, buddy? 697 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,039 Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Good to be on guys. I always 698 00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,119 tell people this is my most famous week of the 699 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,440 year right here. Everybody wants to talk to me. I 700 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:45,840 love that. 701 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 3: Hey, I'd like to talk to you throughout the year. 702 00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,000 That's uh, you know, but I do know I do 703 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,400 enjoy talking ball with my brother, you know, on rivalry week. 704 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,360 So Max, always a pleasure, always a blessing getting you 705 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,199 on our airwaves. 706 00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,199 Speaker 2: It's a special week, man. 707 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,079 Speaker 3: What makes rivalry so special versus maybe some of the 708 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,599 other rivalry games, because look, you grew up in Arizona. 709 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: I group in Arizona. 710 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,079 Speaker 3: We saw the U of ASU rivalry, right, and that 711 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,639 was a that was a great rivalry obviously, but the 712 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,360 bau Utah one just is built a little bit different. 713 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 4: It is, and I think the obvious things are you know, 714 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,559 there's no professional team in Utah. You know. Uh, there's 715 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:26,960 obviously the religious factor to it, and so many families, 716 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,760 they're split families in the state. It's just it's become 717 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,440 just part of the culture I think of the state 718 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,119 of Utah and really outside of it too, But in 719 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,199 the state is I think where the rivalry really gets 720 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,639 as heated as it does. And so I grew up 721 00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,559 in the Asuu of a rivalry which is a heated rivalry. 722 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,599 But I don't know, Man, the BYU Utah thing just 723 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,840 it gets, it gets taken to the next level. And 724 00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,280 obviously I've been a part of that. I'd been a 725 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,039 cause of that. But I think right now, going into 726 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,000 this year, what's so special about it is how well 727 00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:59,079 both teams are doing. They're playing at a high level. 728 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,800 Both teams have breaks, quarterbacks, great quarterback play. That's what 729 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,199 you want to see. I think it's going to be 730 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,480 an exciting, electric, big time football game. I think the 731 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,599 atmosphere is going to be great, and so I just 732 00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,360 think it's a good time for to be a cougar 733 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,960 and of you, to be honest with you, And so 734 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,039 I think hopefully going into this week, we can talk trash, 735 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,400 we can get into it but at the end of 736 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,920 the day, realize it's a football game, and there's things 737 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,960 in life that are bigger. But but this game is 738 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,519 at the top of the list as far as it 739 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,000 gets as college football rivalry. 740 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,519 Speaker 3: It's so special, man, It's a great game. I didn't 741 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:38,320 realize the seriousness of it until I arrived and played 742 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,719 in it myself. I don't know if that was a 743 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,159 good thing or a bad thing. I wasn't necessarily emotionally 744 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,800 attached to this particular game until I played in it, 745 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,440 and then it became even more valuable for me. And 746 00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:50,960 so I'm looking at like Bear, for instance, who hasn't 747 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,320 played in this game and didn't grow up a BYU 748 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,519 fan and wasn't familiar with the BYU Utah game, And 749 00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:57,880 I'm like, is that a good thing or a bad 750 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,239 thing for a quarterback to head into this game with 751 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,079 no real knowledge of the volatility, the the the components, 752 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,920 the the history all of it, uh the emotion that 753 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,039 is involved in this game. 754 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,039 Speaker 4: I think he could be beneficial to where he doesn't 755 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,840 he doesn't build the game to what too up and 756 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,039 put too much pressure on himself. You know what I'm saying. 757 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,239 And that you say you want to treat it like 758 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,360 any other game, prepare like any other game. But that's 759 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,400 not the case. It's different. You got to prepare for 760 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,360 the noise. You got to prepare for the animosity. You 761 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,559 got to prepare for the for the change of possessions, 762 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,119 the sudden changes, the turnovers, the things. How are you 763 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,480 going to handle your emotions? Like everything is just raised 764 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,719 a little bit in these games, and you and the 765 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,920 team that usually can manage that the best is the 766 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,280 team that wins. And I always say, obviously the team 767 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,119 that can make plays in French time to win. But 768 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,719 I just think you can't treat it like that. And 769 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440 this game is special. But I think Bear's going to 770 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,639 be fine. Okay, I haven't played in the game yet, 771 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,239 but hey, we're playing really good football right now. I 772 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,320 got a good defense behind me, I got a really 773 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,840 good running back. Things are good. I just need to 774 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,199 stay consistent, play my game, and I think BYU is 775 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,360 the better team and will win. 776 00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 3: How important is it the twelve is the twelfth man 777 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,559 in this game? It's at home versus your rival, the 778 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,599 twelfth man, the roar of the cougars, the royal army. 779 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,199 How important is it for the fans to be involved 780 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,719 the entirety of the game. 781 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,679 Speaker 4: I think it's huge and it's just like seeing how 782 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,559 much different it is even then, you know, when I 783 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,599 when we played back in the day, I just think 784 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,480 with the student section and everything, the production that BYU 785 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,119 puts on for these games is just phenomenal. Man. It's 786 00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,960 so much fun to be at. And as a player, 787 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,159 I think you feed off that energy. You feed off 788 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,039 the crowd for good or bad, and so I think 789 00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:50,960 they're gonna need that. I think they're gonna need the 790 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,840 crowd to stay in it, be loud on defense because 791 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,400 in a game like that, they can affect the other team. 792 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,559 And I think we're gonna, you know, any chance that 793 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:01,880 we can have them do that would be great. So 794 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,159 it's going to be a great atmosphere. 795 00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 3: Man, Max all here on ESPN the Fan, your your 796 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,920 favorite rivalry moment and why. 797 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,119 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think that's a That's an easy one 798 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,320 for me. I think I think obviously the moment is 799 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000 the is the overtime win. You know, my senior year 800 00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:20,719 and uh you know we my sophomore year, throwing that 801 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,960 fourth and eighteen pass and then going down and scoring 802 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,199 was phenomenal. Too. But it's just funny. I've been on 803 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,079 both ends of the rivalry because Mice junior year going 804 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,079 up to Utah, I had all those turnovers and we 805 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,639 lost and that was embarrassing and I had to live 806 00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:35,239 with that for a year. And that's why there was 807 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,119 so much emotion built up for me going into that 808 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,519 game my senior year because of all the trash talking 809 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,639 and everything I had to hear from the year before 810 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,920 with how bad I played with the with the turnovers 811 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,920 and so winning that game just it was just you 812 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,360 worked so hard, you want it so much, and for 813 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,480 it to happen was just like, man, the feeling is unbelievable. 814 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,440 And I think all all those emotions just pore out 815 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,039 of you at that point. So it was it was 816 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,239 a pretty special moment. I mean, you think of when 817 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,000 you're growing up as a kid, do you think of 818 00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,599 you know, when you're in the backyard you're making up plays, 819 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:14,440 you think of, Hey, you're in overtime, you got to 820 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,719 throw this pass to win the game for a touchdown. 821 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,239 And it happens and Ben, that was my last play 822 00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,719 well Edwards Stadium right there, That's how we went out. 823 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,599 So it's a special moment. 824 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 2: Dude, dude, just so immortalized. Man so fantastic. 825 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it took a while to like 826 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,320 after all the momentum, all the all that that that 827 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,400 win and the movement of Utah going to the PAC twelve. 828 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,079 It also flip man BYU was the big dog right 829 00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:48,079 for so long and then Utah dominated from twenty ten 830 00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:52,039 to two thousand and twenty one, nine straight wins. The 831 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,199 you know, Jared Hall and that BA Cougar football team 832 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,239 at home was able to finally break it. And now people, 833 00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,800 he's on a two game winning streak. How do you 834 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,320 think they get to three games? These two teams match 835 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,119 up very similarly. They look similar statistically, their rankings are 836 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:11,159 similar across offensive and defensive stats. What's gonna be the 837 00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,840 difference at home for the Cougars on Saturday? 838 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,039 Speaker 4: Honestly, it's gonna be Bet. It's gonna be Bear if 839 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,760 he can stay consistent and he can keep doing playing 840 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,880 the way he's playing. I think A Rodd's is doing 841 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,679 a phenomenal job with play calling and putting him in 842 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,840 good situations to make plays and letting him use his 843 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,000 athleticism when he needs to, and not putting too much 844 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:35,920 on him. You know, let's use the guys around him 845 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,320 as much as we can. And then obviously it's gonna 846 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,159 be consistency giving the ball to the running back and 847 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,519 consistency in the running game. But if Bear can show 848 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,000 his maturity that he showed this first half of the season, 849 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,320 and he can keep the game slow, he can see 850 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,440 it and he can execute it and try not to 851 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,199 do too much to where he's turning the ball over 852 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,320 or putting his team in bad situations. I truly believe. 853 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,360 I think across the board by use a better team 854 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,559 and they should get to win. On top of that, 855 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:09,719 we're man the atmosphere. I just think everything's in favor 856 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,280 of the Kogs. 857 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,559 Speaker 3: It's a great day for Cougar football right byusing the 858 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,639 big twelve year three their top twenty five, back to 859 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,199 back seasons in which they've started six to oher this 860 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,559 has never been done before, even in your era, my era, 861 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,440 the era of. 862 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 2: The seventies and eighties. 863 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,280 Speaker 3: And so, what is the trajectory of this Cougar football 864 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,639 program right now under Kolane, with the resources both internally 865 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:41,199 and then externally with nil what's the potential here that 866 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,000 we're talking about with BYU football in the years to come. 867 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,599 Speaker 4: Oh, there's no limit on it. You know. It's kind 868 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,639 of funny. I was sitting here with my son this morning. 869 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,800 I was getting ready to take him. He had waits 870 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,599 this morning, and we were watching ESPN and they were 871 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,800 talking about the college football bracket and they were putting 872 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,639 all their teams up on there sitting there, and I'm like, 873 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,159 BYU wasn't up there, And I'm sitting in myself, and 874 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:05,840 I really believe. 875 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 5: I'm like, b Y, you should be up there. 876 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 4: And I think that is the next step for BYU. 877 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,679 I mean, I think we win if we can win 878 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:17,719 a conference championship, number one, and then there's no reason 879 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,519 why BYU shouldn't be considered one of the top teams 880 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:23,920 in the country every single year. With the program. They have, 881 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:28,000 the coaching staff, we have the momentum that the program 882 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:33,360 has right now, continue to have great recruiting. I just 883 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,480 think that there's potential for us to be, you know, 884 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,079 one of those top top twelve teams every single year. 885 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 3: When you look at is what has made Utah great 886 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,280 And you have to give a lot of credit to 887 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,639 Kyle Whittingham, the culture that he's created. He's a former 888 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:55,719 BYU Cougar himself. He's created a culture, a team that 889 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,199 produces a high level defense, special teams, and they's a 890 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,920 coal physical offenses that are pretty balanced, but more maybe 891 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:09,159 run heavy. When you look at what Kyle's built and 892 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,320 what he's been able to accomplish up there, like what 893 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,760 stands out to you since he took over the head 894 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,280 coaching job in two thousand and five. 895 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think you know, obviously with my with 896 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,079 my comments and my moment with Utah and directed towards them, 897 00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:27,960 you know, it's people never really asked me my feelings 898 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480 on it. But there's one thing I do have, and 899 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,159 that is a ton of respect for Kyle winning help. 900 00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,880 The guy is a phenomenal football coach. I mean, there's 901 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,400 a reason why he's been there that long and had 902 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,519 the success that he's had at Utah. He knows how 903 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:42,760 to build a culture, he knows how to build a program, 904 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,840 He's got good coaches in there, He's brought in great players, 905 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,280 and to consistently do it year in and year out. 906 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,679 That is hard to do at any level. That is 907 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,400 hard to do. And so I think the guy is 908 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,400 gonna I mean, obviously he's gonna go down as one 909 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,400 of the greatest Collish football coaches in history. And I 910 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,039 just think it's amazing what he's accomplished there at his career, 911 00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,320 and so got a ton of respect for Kyle and 912 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,800 what he's done. And I know he's getting older and 913 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,159 I don't know how much longer he's planning on being there, 914 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,280 but uh, you know, when his days are done at Utah, 915 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,480 when he decides to step down, he's going to deserve 916 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,760 a lot of recognition for his accompliment accomplishments. 917 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 3: If he doesn't get a win at Lavelle, do you 918 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,039 think he retires after this year? 919 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 2: Do you think he comes back? Give it one. 920 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 3: He can't go out with a three game losing streak. 921 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,159 He's got to go out with a win versus b Yu. 922 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:38,039 Speaker 4: I mean that everybody's different in that aspect. Man. I mean, 923 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,960 you should call him. You should call him and ask 924 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:41,039 him that question. 925 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 5: Because I can't. 926 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 4: I can't answer that question for him. But does does 927 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,920 does a win for him make it easier to step away? 928 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,679 I think so absolutely? Does a loss kind of put 929 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,280 it in the back of your head that you know, 930 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,119 I can't go out like that sort of a thing. 931 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,360 Then maybe, but he may say, look the body of 932 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,880 work that I've put in over years. You know, whether 933 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,559 we lost to BYU or not my last year, I 934 00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,760 don't think matters when you look at the body of work. 935 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,800 So that's a good question for him to answer, though, 936 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,719 So let me know what he says. 937 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will in the in the post game, we'll 938 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,639 be sure to ask him that wherever the cookie crumbles right, 939 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:23,599 whichever the ball, whichever direction the ball bounces in this game, 940 00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:25,920 what has stood out to you about this b WHATYU 941 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,280 football team this year that makes you a believer of 942 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,920 what they're building under Kalani. Like, when you're watching these games, 943 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,239 obviously you're gonna have eyes on quarterback play, in the offense, 944 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:35,719 et cetera. 945 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 2: But let's talk collectively. What do you see? What do 946 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,119 you like? 947 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 4: I just I like the attitude of the team. I 948 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,800 like the I like the vibe, I like the energy. 949 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,360 I like the I think the attitude is the best 950 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,599 way to put it. You watch them, just how they play, 951 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,360 how they correspond with each other. You watch the coaches 952 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,480 on the sideline and how they coach the kids, how 953 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,880 they respond to the coaches. 954 00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 5: You can just tell that. 955 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,559 Speaker 4: There's an around BYU football that there's an energy, a 956 00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:08,920 super positive environment that Klani has created that makes kids 957 00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,800 want to work their tails off and be the best 958 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,760 that they can as players and do it for the team. 959 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,599 But it's also a very team centered, unselfish environment, and 960 00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:21,039 I think he's brought in the right players and the 961 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,280 right staff. 962 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 5: That buy into that. 963 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 4: And when you have buy into something like that, you 964 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,440 can create something special. You've got to have the right 965 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,199 guy leading it. You got to have the right guy 966 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:35,400 setting the standard and following it. And Kline Sataki again 967 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,559 has done a great job of that. And you can 968 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,440 see the potential and the progression of this program. And so, 969 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000 like we said before, it's an exciting time to be 970 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,719 a Cougar. I think that we only go up from 971 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,599 here as we continue to get better players in and 972 00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:54,280 more experience in this conference. And so, like I said, 973 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,599 I think the staff, everything, it's just there's a vibe. Man. 974 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,360 Sometimes it's hard to explain it, but there's definitely a 975 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,079 vibe and an energy that's very positive around the program 976 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:04,480 right now. 977 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been some players over the last decade during 978 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,440 the independence there's a few years off, right some players 979 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,159 didn't get to play this game and experience this game 980 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,159 on both sides of the ball. I find that that's 981 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,000 kind of a disservice to the student athlete. 982 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:22,199 Speaker 6: Right. 983 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 3: We talk about all the things that make college football great, 984 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,039 you know, high school football, football in general grade, it's 985 00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:28,159 the rivalry games. 986 00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 2: That's what makes the best games. 987 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 3: I mean, when you think about your favorite moments as 988 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,320 a college football player, I mean, the rivalry game has 989 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,760 to be at the top. I mean, are there any 990 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,519 other games experiences that rival a rivalry game? 991 00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,679 Speaker 4: The only one would be a championship game, you know 992 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,119 what I'm saying, a championship conference game or obviously a 993 00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,679 playoff game. But other than that, when you have a 994 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,800 rivalry like the BYU Utah rivalry, it's big no matter what, 995 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,559 because every year that game means something, and no matter 996 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,400 what the records are, no matter how each team is doing, 997 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,840 whatever data set for the by U Utah game, it's 998 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,800 a big game and people care about that game no 999 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,360 matter what. So that's what's so special about it is 1000 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,960 there will never be a dull vibe around that game. 1001 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,800 There will always be excitement, there will be competitiveness, there 1002 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,360 will be trash talking. It's just the whole thing is fantastic, 1003 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,519 and I just think it's special and these players should 1004 00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:28,559 feel lucky that they get to be a part of 1005 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,800 this tradition and part of this game. So hopefully they 1006 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,199 just go out this weekend and and and feed off 1007 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,360 that energy and give it everything they got and execute 1008 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,039 and come on with a win. 1009 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 3: Max hal here on ESP and the Fan a little 1010 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,440 keeping up with the Cougars, brought to you by Dental 1011 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,320 Pros of Utah in American Fork. Max, give us an 1012 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,639 update on work and family, personal life. 1013 00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 2: Give us an update. 1014 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, man, I know Hauls are doing great. You know, 1015 00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,800 my my son's a freshman and killing it on the 1016 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,480 front Gishman team as a quarterback down here. And my 1017 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,840 daughter is a big time pickleball player. We get to 1018 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,760 we're in the pickleball scene with her Kenzie still running 1019 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,239 her plate studios and so things are doing really good. 1020 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,480 I have my time with Ala has come to an end, 1021 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,639 so I'm no longer coaching there and right now I'm 1022 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,119 on the look, so I've I've already talked to a 1023 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,400 few different places and have a few teams set up, 1024 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,159 but I have a few more coming up that I 1025 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,760 think are going to be hopefully some good opportunities for me. 1026 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,559 But but I'm open. So if you know of anybody 1027 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,480 looking for a coach, you know, let me know. But 1028 00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:38,519 I'm interested in talking to anybody right now. 1029 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, hey, I put out some fielders. 1030 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,639 Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, how would you like Max All as 1031 00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,400 a coach or even an analyst? These days, the analysts 1032 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,280 aren't making They're making some good money too, and you 1033 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,039 can coach, right, You can now get hands on. Before 1034 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:56,360 analysts were just kind of like in the booth advising 1035 00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:58,519 and game prep and someff like that, and now they can, 1036 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,719 they can coach. What about come back to the alma 1037 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:01,719 mater and helping out? 1038 00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 4: I would I would love that. If it be what 1039 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,960 he wants me to come back and help, I absolutely 1040 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,760 would jump on that. You know, I actually finished my 1041 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,119 degree here in December, which will allow me to go 1042 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,679 coach in college. I just I never I never knew 1043 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,320 if I was going to make that jump or not. 1044 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,440 But if I have an opportunity to do it, I 1045 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,039 would love to come back to be with you in 1046 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,320 some capacity, whether it's an analysis or whatever. But if 1047 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,599 they want me, you know, I shouldn't sit down and 1048 00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,559 talking to them right now, so we'll see what happens. 1049 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 3: So you did, do you have a like an idealistic situation. 1050 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,239 You mentioned you're getting your degree, which will open up 1051 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,239 opportunities to coach at the collegiate level. 1052 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,599 Speaker 2: Without that, was. 1053 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,639 Speaker 3: It a little bit difficult to get into the college 1054 00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,639 coaching world and was that a barrier of entry. 1055 00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And to be honest with you, I wasn't really 1056 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,480 sure if I wanted to. I wasn't. I wasn't sure. 1057 00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:58,119 You know, I had young kids growing up, and I 1058 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,360 wanted to spend time with them and coach them and 1059 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,559 be a dad to them. But as my kids get 1060 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,840 older and they're in high school and getting ready to graduate, 1061 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,360 you know that that that idea changes. And I always 1062 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,400 thought that one day I would probably try to go 1063 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,159 back to college. And I think maybe this is God 1064 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,920 telling me, Hey, it's that time. It's that time to 1065 00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:21,360 uh to do it. So everything's kind of lining up 1066 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,679 for it to happen. Now. I just have to, you know, 1067 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,880 see if there's somebody out there that wants my help 1068 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,320 and would like me to come in and be part 1069 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:27,920 of the program. 1070 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 3: Love that, Yeah, is like high school football is special though, right, 1071 00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,360 I mean, you've experienced now for a years like you 1072 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,360 you get, it's less. I mean, there's definitely a professional 1073 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,559 aspect now in the modern era, and there's a highly 1074 00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:48,440 competitive aspect as well, but it's still kind of that 1075 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:52,960 baseline foundational mentorship, coaching, faith, family football. 1076 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 2: They're a little bit more malleable. The clay's more valuable. 1077 00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,280 Speaker 3: Even the parents still listen, even when you know they 1078 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,719 may not want to loosen to coaching from the coach anyway, 1079 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,239 There's there's still some altruism there. 1080 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 2: It would that be difficult to leave. 1081 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,159 Speaker 4: Well, that's absolutely you know, I've been at that school 1082 00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:15,119 for eleven years and helped build that thing from a 1083 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,679 from a little two H charter school up to uh, 1084 00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:20,360 you know, a six A powerhouse and we've been in 1085 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,320 the open the last few years and things have just 1086 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960 been rolling. And so that's that's hard to step away 1087 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,360 from high school football. You know, we all say it's 1088 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,840 the purest form of the game. It's where you're playing 1089 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,239 for your brothers, you're playing for your town, you're playing 1090 00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,800 for your community, and the communities involved, and the parents 1091 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,760 are involved. It's just a different vibe than moving on 1092 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,320 to college, where now it's just more business like now, 1093 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,000 especially with all the NIL and transfer portal stuff, it's 1094 00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,920 just more of a business like the NFL. In high school, 1095 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,559 you still get that that brotherhood and that love and 1096 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,719 that community and let's go out and play and fight 1097 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,840 for each other. So that's what I'll miss the most 1098 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,320 about it, But also just being around those kids. Man, 1099 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840 you get your around these sixteen seven teen year old kids. 1100 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,960 I'm fourteen, fifteen, sixty seventeen, and they're going through life. Man, 1101 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,239 They're going through things. They're going through hardships that sometimes 1102 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,960 only a coach can be there for. And so having 1103 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,159 the opportunity to mentor kids and be there for them 1104 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,039 and help them through not just football but just life. 1105 00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,320 Having them coming to my office all the time and 1106 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,360 hang around and just helping them whether they end up 1107 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,800 going and serving missions for the church or going to 1108 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,360 college or getting jobs. That's what you miss about it 1109 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,880 the most, is the relationships and all that. So that'll 1110 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,719 be hard. But I also know that my mind and 1111 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,719 my football ability as a coach belongs in college. I 1112 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,920 think I think the high school game is great, but 1113 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,719 I think I have the mind to be in college 1114 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,960 and to help compete at that level. And I know 1115 00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:50,559 I can, so I'm also very anxious to test that 1116 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,000 and to see how well I can do at the 1117 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:54,719 next level if I have that opportunity. 1118 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,639 Speaker 3: Max Hall, ladies and gentlemen, winning his quarterback can be 1119 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,360 what you football history. Are you going to be attending 1120 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,159 the Holy World this weekend? By chance, you're going to 1121 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:03,679 be in town. 1122 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, man. We've leave tomorrow morning, flying out there tomorrow, 1123 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,840 be hanging around a little bit on Friday, you know, 1124 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,239 go say hi to the players and coaches and stuff, 1125 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,559 and then definitely we'll be there on Saturday. I think 1126 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,119 I think Dave's having me do something on the show, 1127 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,519 on the pregame show, so I might do a little 1128 00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,679 bit something there and can't wait. Man, it's going to 1129 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:27,960 be so much fun. Love it. 1130 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:28,159 Speaker 6: Man. 1131 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,519 Speaker 3: We'll see you down there in provo. Give me a scorportation. 1132 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,159 How do you think this game plays out onto the 1133 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,159 lights of level? How do you think EAU competes? 1134 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 4: Ooh, I think we can pee. I think BAU wins by. 1135 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,559 I think we win by ten or fourteen points. I 1136 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,800 have you know, and I say those scores is probably 1137 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,599 high twenties, low thirty somewhere in there. But I think 1138 00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:50,800 we pull it off by ten to fourteen points tonight. 1139 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:54,039 Speaker 3: I love it. Man, would love to see that. Ronnie, 1140 00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:54,559 what do you got? 1141 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,679 Speaker 1: I just want Max to know that we want to 1142 00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,800 know already on getting people hired by Blu. 1143 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 2: It might take some time to lord timing. 1144 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 1: But Travis Hansen we punked, we prognosticated, you know, he said, hey, look, 1145 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,559 it needs to happen. 1146 00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 2: So I think Max will eventually be a bye. As 1147 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,119 they say, bring him home, Bring him home, Max. 1148 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,679 Speaker 4: Bring him home. 1149 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,559 Speaker 2: Appreciate Thank you, buddy, Max, Appreciate you. I much love 1150 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:16,360 to you and your family. 1151 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 4: Thanks, guys, appreciate it. 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