Speaker 1: Hm, I walk straight line shackle change, Oh doesome gird?
It's calling my name? There is no mercy and it's
been a tentery juice as the hill Stream Game Wrangle three.
Speaker 2: I'm here by me to die inside these walls, inside
the wild and went the girl as I'm.
Speaker 3: Hey one, and welcome back to Bloody and Goa, A
podcast one and forty two years in the making, the
complete story of America's bloodiest Present. I'm Jim Chapman. And look,
before I get into today's episode, I got a quick update.
We're having some changes to Bloody and Goa. Now, if
you listen to Real Life for a Crime Daily on Tuesday,
Woody and I discussed some changes that are coming up.
That show will be going away on the first of November.
Hey everyone, and welcome to Real Life Real Crime Daily.
I'm Jim Chapman.
Speaker 4: Name, what do you ever take?
Speaker 3: And this is part two? Because the lights just flickered
on and off, so we're gonna.
Speaker 5: We never had that happening in all the years. And yeah, man,
it's like Jim had a really good statement he said,
and look there's no lighting, no storm outside or anything
like that.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, well, uh you know what he's been talking
about some changes coming and good changes for for the
Real Life Real Crime Feed.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about that, all right.
Speaker 5: Well, the you know, we've been doing this for a minute,
the h and we've had a lot of fun, uh,
you know, a lot of great things that have happened
the book. You know, you've been super successful. Also during
the meantime, you have one of the top shows in
the world now it.
Speaker 4: Scandals Files of the Elite, So thank God forbidding. Yeah right,
y'all go check that out.
Speaker 5: But y'all the business side of things, like when Jim
and I saw at the show, it was just jem
and I and then we got a go involved, and
you know, things transpired and what have you. Uh, But
you're always trying to improve, improve, seek seek seek different
avenues and different things and some things work and some
things don't, and some things, you know, they are what
they are. But the I'm bringing we did the daily
show when the Real Life Crime Original feed and then
the wow was a you know, sad thing too, and
all that of just bringing the relifful crime back to
relifeul Crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and mainly the I decided that.
Speaker 5: The hashtag justice for series is going to be a
big part of what I do going forward, which is
I'm actually I had shied away with it for so
many years because it takes so much. But the I'm
actually going to help these families, and I've have cases
lined up, et cetera. But it's boots on the ground.
Speaker 3: Show and that's and that was the point I was
I was trying to make earlier before we had the
hiccup here.
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, a lot of.
Speaker 3: These shows, especially these cold case shows, and at no
fault of the people who host them, they just don't
have the experience of the knowledge to actually investigate these cases.
So what they'll do and their goal is to just
bring awareness to it. And that's important and that's good.
But the difference there between what a you know, a
real life real crime or a hashtag justice for brings
to the table is that those shows, it's actually investigating
it with an investigator that is night and day.
Speaker 4: If it's it's I think you're right.
Speaker 5: The difference is the personal connection and I sit with
these families, they become my families, and it's hard and soul.
Speaker 3: And you're invested in it. And at that time when
you get emotionally invested.
Speaker 4: In see this, look y'all.
Speaker 5: The best ship that we ever do is unscripted. I'm
going to get to my current he's.
Speaker 4: And we were just talking. Damn it, I don't even
know how to do this. Go ahead and find that
and them entertained sing to them.
Speaker 5: We were talking about before we came in here. However,
we're going to tell you all what we had to
tell tell you the And then we're like, you know what,
since the beginning, we've just been rolling unscripted. People would
come in to interview or whatever, and we'd be like, no,
the uh, don't tell us save a friend there, because
you never know what's going to come out behind the microphone.
Speaker 4: All right, So look at this. This is my bedside table.
Speaker 3: Now, oh wowe picture. He's showing a picture of a
beautiful girl.
Speaker 4: That's Haley. Wow.
Speaker 5: So she's the first thing I see when I wake
up and the last thing I see before I go
to bed. Yeah, And it was courting, and Coco was
the same way. Miss Stephanie had sent me her cheerleading
picture and her high school graduation picture. And that's my
that's my actual case files that on that late yellow
legal pad yeah. I spend that every night, you know,
before I go to sleep, right, taking more notes on
different things.
Speaker 4: And it's just a lot.
Speaker 5: And and I think that, you know, like on Mary
post Show's case, and I wasn't gonna do it.
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna do it. I didn't want to, you know,
I didn't want.
Speaker 5: To have to put that kind of energy and hard
and everything like according to Coco's And then finally that night,
you know, life has been reached out to me, and
Mama caare in Klana finally said we please just talk
to the sister. It's one of my good friends. And
you know, I can't tell mama no, right, Mama Careen,
And so I did, and then she told me the
story and then send me the picture and I said,
let me call you back. And I showed it to
my wife and she said, how can you not use
your gud giving gifts in your platform that he gave
you to not go solve us girls homicide? And we
did it, but I hadn't done one since. But we're
gonna I'm going in that direction, y'all. There'll still be
real life for crime originals. And but the hashtag Justice
four is a lot and like this case is out
of Atlanta, this one, and even then Louisiana and I
had boots on the ground Atlanta.
Speaker 4: And now it's it's it's.
Speaker 5: Gonna be an ongoing thing. And and you've got a
lot going on.
Speaker 4: And I love doing the Daily Show.
Speaker 5: It's you know, it's going to y'all, it's gonna be
on its own feed.
Speaker 4: But the.
Speaker 3: What do you say that it well, if you like
those past episodes, the past episodes will be on a
new feed.
Speaker 5: Right right, But I mean, like the basically this is
like the Swan song, you know, for Daily and it's
it's a sad thing, but it's it's kind of an
exciting thing too because the uh, you know, the future
is right and Jim and I are still gonna be
working together on things with the you know, love them
more than anything in the world. Uh, it's been a great,
great run, but it's just time to yeah. Yeah, and look,
you're rolling hard too, And I know that you're rolling.
I always said you were the hardest working man the
show business, but now you really are.
Speaker 4: And I get that to you. And you know, it's
it's it's been great.
Speaker 3: Bright Yeah, yeah, it has and and uh, we've been doing.
You know, we've been working together for four years or so,
coming coming close to five, and we're continue to.
Speaker 4: Work together on some on things that it's you know,
we're always I will always be.
Speaker 5: Accessible to you, and I know you will always be
accessible to me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh And we know people out there, you know, some
people what happened with Jim.
Speaker 5: And that the same one that ain't the case is
past with any I've had, you know, people that we're
associated with the show that that some of them just
had to be go right and and some of those
were definitely from Yeah, some of them were just business
and some of them were kind of the farious, but whatever,
that is what it is, and it's done. And I
wish just people well, but this is not one.
Speaker 4: This is this is something.
Speaker 5: That if it could be avoided time wise and stuff,
and it would be, but it just can't. And I
think that you know, we're going to both continue to
go on and do great things, uh yeah together, Yes,
but certainly I can't wait to see. I know you've
got a lot of stuff in the works and a
lot and.
Speaker 4: They got that too, uh uh so, but you'll always
been hell of right boy. It has and.
Speaker 5: I'm a miss coming in and getting my f fau
and on the way and coming in the morning was.
Speaker 3: Cold or hot and yeah, and you know, well we'll
still maybe every now and then do an episode together
or something if if time permits for for both of us.
But uh, you know, with these type of shows, and
really with this type of industry, it's it's something that
you have to constantly evolve, and you have to really
pay attention to what your audience wants and real life
for Crimes evolving and and uh, in some ways it
is going back to its roots, but in some ways
is you know, original content that uh features Woody Everton.
Speaker 4: As it should. Uh. That's how it got started exactly.
Speaker 5: I've always been that guy, you know, like you hustler,
you want to branch out and.
Speaker 4: Do and do and do.
Speaker 5: But you know, I don't think people understand it's so
much more, uh.
Speaker 4: Than just podcasts. It's all the.
Speaker 5: Social media and the pages and you know, you know
you're in, yeah, the research, and but even like just
something simple as going uh and checking from me going
and checking the Real Life Real Crime Daily Facebook page.
At the end, when I've got seven other Facebook pages,
I gotta.
Speaker 4: Check you know, and and.
Speaker 5: I know you know you always kept that up and
you did the posting and everything else. It's just so
much more, uh than podcasts. And I'm not complaining. I'm blessed,
no doubt about it, and blessed by way beyond anything
that I ever dreamed of. And and we were blessed
on the Daily Show, I mean all the way around,
a lot of fun. You and I didn't have any hiccups.
But there were some hiccups in it. I think everybody
knows about that, but you know, and the ship got
worked out and it is what it is.
Speaker 4: But you know, I don't know. I'm I'm missing to
be there. And we'll let y'all know. I don't know
what we call that feeding. I guess the Daily Show,
I don't know, but the it'll be anywhere you can
listen to a podcast. Yeah, yeah, so if you know
it won't be on we'll put a rink put on
our socials and stuff of the.
Speaker 5: It won't be on the Original Life Real Crime Link anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd have to go to that, and it will.
It won't be the Daily Shows.
Speaker 4: Won't be updated on that feed.
Speaker 3: There may be some things I don't know that are
placed on there, but the Daily Show won't as you know,
it won't be on that right.
Speaker 5: But you know, y'all have been great in true classic form.
Love and appreciate each and every one of y'all, and
thank you for listening and liking and sharing. And you know,
jim my brother from another mother. I love features so bright.
We gotta wear shades.
Speaker 4: And uh, we were so busy. We got to hire
some people. And that's a good problem. I had turn
the lease. We are busy. That's a good problem to have,
and more busy because of y'all.
Speaker 5: And and and look, just thank you, yeah, look and
h when I started this with real life or a
crime way back in the day, uh, it was.
Speaker 3: Just to help and and uh, you know, do what
what I felt like I was good at, which was
uh the world's best editor and and and so that
kind of branched into all these other things that I
had an opportunity, and I was blessed to get those
opportunities and very thankful.
Speaker 5: And you got Envision podcast Studio is now of course
local leaders, you got Scandalous, you got got you know,
soap producing so many different.
Speaker 4: Shows and it all it's same thing.
Speaker 5: That I was talking about earlier, Like we're talking about
branching out, expanding, and you know my daddy says about that.
What eediot, you got it or you don't. You got
the driver, you don't and it doesn't. You know, this
is not a failure for the Daily Show because the
numbers were still there and everything else. It's a it's
a it's a failure on time. And uh, I don't know,
he's spent a time and circumstances I guess in in
wanting to and going to branch out and in these
other directions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, let me let me say it. And
I touched on it earlier.
Speaker 3: But with the Justice War series and the way the
Wood he does it, which is totally different than any
other podcast or does it. Uh, it requires a lot
of time and it requires you know, he's going to
these places. He's getting really emotionally invested, which is it's
hard to turn your brain in another direction anytime you
get emotionally invested with something, So you know, that's a
big That's a big part of it too, is uh,
you only have twenty four hours in a day, so
you know you'll still be getting entertaining content from from
everybody that's ever been affiliated.
Speaker 4: With this show to just being in a different way
and form. Right, Uh, it's gonna be really, it's gonna
be love. It's me something to see, I'm no doubt about.
Speaker 5: It's sad, sad, but excited and blessed you know, to
have done this and the watch it growing morph.
Speaker 3: And and yeah, and let's talk about Bloody and Gola
real quick. So Bloody and Gola, which is more of
a passion for me and more than anything else. We
both just love that history. Well, we love history and
historical prisons.
Speaker 4: And especially first year in existence one people. Yeah, it's
done a lot with that history. Yeah, and it's still
going strong.
Speaker 3: Uh so what are he is still going to be
a you know, owner of that show, just like me. Uh,
and he's because of time, he's going to be more
kind of in and out of that show.
Speaker 4: Which which I have been lea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's both of our faults, but that was
a good signal to both of us that our time
is just getting pulled in so many different directions that
so if you know, continue to listen to it and
and what do you be on there? We'll try to
get him on every every couple of months or every
month or so, and.
Speaker 4: You have the uh I still trip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the guy that well, like I say his name,
he told me, uh, I saw him at a dove
hunt and he said he said, uh, he said, man,
it ain't the same. He said, I can't. He's an
ex something up there. He said, I can't just do
it like I used to because all the changes are
coming down and administration and you headed the department and whatever. Yeah,
whatever system of being worked on. And there'll be a
million stories that can come from that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. So, uh so we're
gonna keep as many shows around as we can, and
we know y'all love that stuff, and uh they'll be
there'll be more upcoming. I'm looking forward to it, I
think real life. Look, I was a fan first, right,
you know, before I ever got affiliated with the show.
Speaker 4: I was a fan of the show.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate it and I love you much and
yeah it's been fun, bro, but it ain't. We ain't
done now we all right? Well, all right, peeps, so
now you got the inside scoop. You got inside scoop
and love I guess so one time I love and
appreciate each and every one of y'all, and thank you
for liking and listening and sharing and hey all that
good podcast.
Speaker 4: Podcast or shit.
Speaker 3: Until next time. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm what do
you Everton. We are your host of Real Life, Real
Crime Daily Peace Booms. So there it was some changes
coming to obviously several things that we do. But one
thing that is not going to change. Bloody Ain't Goola
is not going anywhere. And coming up, we're going to
focus on some series episodes with Bloody Angola that I
think are going to knock your socks off, So get
ready for that.
Speaker 4: And look, it's Halloween. This is a Halloween special episode.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to get all of that out of
the way prior to bringing you this, and it'll be
a little abbreviated compared to the length of our normal episodes,
because I know all of you either want to get
out there with your kids and trigg or treat or
maybe you are like me and your kids are grown,
but you hand out candy and you enjoy seeing all
the cool costumes and stuff like that, and I want
you to be able to get to that. I've got
some really fun different stuff for you. You know, with
all these crime shows, we talk about a lot of
things that are disturbing, for lack of a better term, sometimes,
So I love doing these holiday episodes where it's a
little bit funner, a little bit lighter, I guess you
could say. But with Halloween it's also a little bit scarier.
So we're going to talk about two things that I researched.
One of them is America's most haunted prisons in jails.
And let me tell you, there is nothing out there
better than a haunted prison if you're someone that's into Halloween.
And so I kind of compiled a top ten list
of the most haunted prisons in jails in the United States,
and I'm going to start with number ten and work
my way backwards and kind of give you a little bit,
just a couple of paragraphs of a history on each
of these. So today I'm going to be like the
David Letterman, the top ten list of Halloween podcasts.
Speaker 4: So here we go.
Speaker 3: Number ten, Missouri State Penitentiary. Now that's in Jefferson City, Missouri.
And believe it or not, the Missouri State Penitentiary is
known currently as the Walls they copied off of Louisiana
State Penitentiary.
Speaker 4: Y'all, we were the Walls, how dare they? So?
Speaker 3: It's also known as the Walls and was constructed in
the early eighteen thirties to serve the newly emitted state
of Missouri. The earliest prisoners made the bricks that the
first walls were built from, which was common during that
time prison labor.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The initial prison population consisted of one guard, one warden,
fifteen prisoners, and a foreman for the brick making operation
with an assistant. Eleven of the fifteen prisoners were from
Saint Louis and all were incarcerated for larceny theft, except
for one who was in for stabbing a man during
a drunken brawl. Needless to say, that prison grew many
times over the years. It eventually closed, but get this
two thousand and four, so it had a long history.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: During its operation, it saw many infamous prisoners, including Charles
pretty Boy, Floyd, James Earl Ray, Bobby Greenlease, kidnappers Carl
Austin Hall, and Bonnie Haiti. They were actually executed at
that prison. In nineteen fifty four, there was a major
riot at the penitentiary, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, the
National Guard from Missouri, and the police departments from Jefferson City,
Saint Louis and Kansas City were called to help stop
that disturbance. And when it was all over, four inmates
had been killed, twenty nine were injured, and there had
been one attempted suicide. During the riot, four guards had
been seriously injured, and several big buildings have been burned.
During its operation, forty inmates were executed in the gas chamber.
Time magazine once called it get thus the bloodiest forty
seven acres in America. They're copying off of Louisiana State
Penitentiary again, except for we're a hell of a lot
more than forty seven acres around here now. Since its
closure of the penitentiary has become a hotspot for pair
and normal activity. Staff members and visitors actually reported dozens
of eerie encounters with lingering spirits which had been seen, heard,
and encountered firsthand. So that's number ten on the less
number nine Wyoming Territorial Prison. That's in Laramie, Wyoming. The
westward expansion of the railroad brought more than money in
high times to the people of Laramie. It also brought
a score of unsavory men and women in a crime
rate that rivaled much larger Eastern cities. As a result,
the why Yoming Territorial Prison was built as a federal
penitentiary in Laomie in eighteen seventy two. The facility was
plagued with problems from the start, with a fire in
eighteen seventy three and a number of escapes.
Speaker 4: Of the forty four.
Speaker 3: Prisoners accepted in the first two years of the operation,
eleven escaped. By eighteen seventy seven, the prison was overcrowded,
and as its reputation worsened, changes were made in A
second sale block was constructed. It became a state prison
from eighteen ninety to nineteen oh one. There were at
least five sales for female inmates and several solitary confinement cells.
Soon to be famous outlaw Butch Cassidy was incarcerated here
from eighteen ninety four to eighteen ninety six. After its
closure in nineteen oh three, the prison was given to
the University of Wyoming, which used it for livestock breeding
experiments until nineteen eighty nine. It opened to the public
as a hit historic site two years later and stories
of ghost begin to circulate. With more than one thousand
inmates housed there over the years, it's to be expected
that some of the prisoners of guards might linger behind. However,
there's one prisoner who is more active than the others.
His name is Julius Greenwald, and he was sent to
the prison for the eighteen ninety seven murderer of his
wife and prison Loar states that Greenwald was adept to
making cigars and convincing prison staff to allow him to
make and sell cigars while incarcerated. He allegedly made the
cigars from his cell on the third floor, a cell
that was removed during renovation of the site. Allegedly, Greenwald's
spirit did not appreciate this at all, and he has
manifested as a phantom cigar smell at the prison ever since.
Speaker 4: How about that.
Speaker 3: And we're going to get to number eight, and that
is West Virginia Penitentiary that's in Moundsville, West Virginia. In
that the prison was built on the edge of Moundsville.
This was in eighteen sixty six. The prison remained open
for one hundred and twenty nine years, and it finally
closed down in nineteen ninety five. During that time, the
structure housed thousands of prisoners. Many lost their lives there
through both state sanctioned executions and during prison violence. Since
its closure, the prison had become one of the most
haunted sites in the country. Staff members and visitors alike
have reported ghosts in the north Hall, where the most
dangerous inmates are housed, and the execution chamber, where Old
Sparky sent many to its early grave, and the whole
a brutal solitary confinement area that often drove inmates to
insanity and suicide. Ghost Hunters have flocked to the former
penitentiary over the years, and visitors claimed to have experienced
the sound of phantom footsteps, voices, noises that have no explanation,
cold chills, and an overwhelming fee of panic.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 3: And we're gonna go up pot of Watamee County Jail.
And this is in Council Bluff's, Iowa, And it was
built in eighteen eighty five, and that jail is one
of the most unusual houses of incarceration in America. The
jail has a three tier cell block with ten cells
on each tier. It was originally designed to rotate continuously
throughout the night by means of a water wheel in
the basement, so it earned the nickname of the squirrel
cage Jail. In this way, all the prisoners could be
watched from a central location. Unfortunately, the forty five ton
cell block was simply too heavy to work right, and
it became stuck frequently. Eventually, the jailers gave up on
the plan and the nightguard had to be hired. The
cylinder continued to be used until at nineteen sixty when
a prisoner died in his cell and the cell block jammed,
trapping the body in the cell for several days. After that,
cell door were cut into every cell. The jail was
closed down in nineteen sixty nine, and during its history
four deaths occurred within its walls. One man died of
a heart attack, another in a fall when he tried
to write his name on the ceiling. Another hanged himself
in a cell, in the last after an incident in
which an officer actually shot himself in the confusion of
protecting the jail from an angry mob during the farmer's
Holiday strike of nineteen thirty two. It's no surprise that
these unlucky individuals along with others are believed to still
linger that jail, and we'll go to Crown Point, Indiana
in Lake County Jail, and the Lake County Jail is
located in the county seat of Crown Point. It was
built in nineteen oh eight and enlarged twenty years later.
At that time, county sheriffs were required to live at
the jail, and so the combined residents in jail included
all the facilities needed for its purpose as a law
enforcement institution. Located within the walls where the family's living
area warden's residence, department offices, one hundred and fifty cells,
maximum security accommodations, institutional kitchen, food storage, heating and cooling systems.
They even had a barber shop and a garage. It
was considered to be one of the finest in Indiana
and it was thought to be escape proof. However, on
March third of nineteen thirty four, gangster John Dillinger proved
it to be otherwise when he made a daring escape
that gave the jail its infamy. The jail remained in
operation until the nineteen seventies, when it became a historic
site as restoration has continued over the last twenty years.
Stories have emerged about the haunting in the jail. Apparitions
have been seen in the sales and corridors, Strange photographs
have been taken, doors open and closed by themselves, lights
turn on and off, and dis embodied footsteps and voices
have often been reported by volunteers and staff alike. Pretty freaky.
And We're going to go to Chicago, Illinois, and I'm
gonna tell you about a haunted police station. It's known
as Maxwell Street Police Station. And this police station is
known as Bloody Maxwell. How about that because of the
escalating crime rate in the area. It was constructed in
eighteen eighty nine, and at that time, the surrounding part
of the city was home to thousands of Italian immigrants,
including the Jenni brothers, who partnered with al Capone's organization
during Prohibition to make bootleg liquor within blocks of the
police station. It became a notorious police station known for corruption, bribery, brutality,
and torture, and many law breakers never left the basement
dungeon quote unquote alive. The station closed down in nineteen
ninety seven and became to be used by the security
officers for the nearby University of Illinois Chicago campus. It's
currently been used for filming of the television show Chicago PD.
Although the cops and criminals of the station's passed are
long gone, legend goes they still linger there, especially those
who brutalized and killed and were killed in the dungeon.
Screams have been reported coming from the basement, along what moaning, crying,
and the sounds of rattling bars and handcuff chains. Ohio
Penitentiary and this was formerly in Columbus, Ohio. This penitentiary
was opened in eighteen thirty four and first condemned by
reformers in the early nineteen hundreds. It was not closed
down until nineteen seventy nine, and the prison has since
been demolished, but haunting memories of it remained. During its
years of operation, the prison saw scores of death from fire,
outbreaks of disease, murder, and executions in the state's electric chair,
but nothing matched the horror of the fire that in
golf that prison in April of nineteen thirty. This fire
swept through the West block of the penitentiary. It killed
three hundred and twenty two inmates in a single night.
While the prison was still open, inmates complained of ghostly
sightings and eerie happenings, but when the buildings were finally
torn down, tails quickly spread of apparitions among the ruins. Eventually,
the prism was replaced by a sports arena, which is
also rumored to be haunted. Stay away from Ohio Penitentiary,
and we're going to stay in Ohio, but we're gonna
go to Mansfield, Ohio for this one. And this is
Ohio State Reformatory. And the Ohio State Reformatory was actually
made famous by the Shawshank Redemption, which was filmed there.
Was opened in eighteen ninety six as a prison for
criminals too old for juvenile facilities and not hardened enough
for the penitentiary. It saw untold thousands of prisoners during
its years of operation, and while once applauded as a
place to be humanly reformed for first time offenders, the
conditions deteriorated to the point that it became known for abuse, torture,
and murder. Already considered overcrowded in humane by the nineteen thirties,
the massive prison was kept open until nineteen eighty six,
even after a federal lawsuit was filed by the inmates,
citing that it was unfit for human occupation. Since the
closing of the reformatory, stories have circulated that it is
haunted by the tormented spirits of former inmates, guards and
prison officials who simply never left. Apparitions take place in
the cells where the inmates once lived, suffered, and sometimes died.
One of the resonant ghosts is reported to be Helen Gladoc,
the wife of Arthur Gladick. She died at the local
hospital in nineteen fifty after a leaded handgun fell from
a closet shelf in the wardens of apartment and went off.
Her spirit has allegedly remained in the apartment ever since,
often manifesting as the smell of perfume.
Speaker 4: Spooky.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to give you the top two and
we'll start with number two and you probably expected this one.
Alcatraz in San Francisco, California, The Rock, the name given
to Alcatraz Penitentiary, was the ultimate American prison. It was
the place where scores of the country's worst criminal offenders,
blood letters, bad men, and escape artists called the end
of the line although it started as a military prison
for twenty nine years, the prison kept the country's most
notorious lawbreakers, including al Capone, Doc Barker, George, Machine Gun Kelly,
and others confined behind stone walls. The initial prison was
built in eighteen fifty nine, but fell into disrepair by
the nineteen twenties. It was reopened in nineteen thirty three
to be an escape per federal prison, and it was
the brutal place of punishment and confinement with few privileges, Suicide, murder,
and even insanity became common. In nineteen forty six, several
inmates attempted a violent and bloody escape from the rock,
but failed. There were a handful of other attempts, but
only one successful attempt. In nineteen sixty two, Win three
bank robber, using handmade rubber rafts and dummies with real
human hair, vanished into the dark waters of the Bay.
Alcatraz was closed down one year later in nineteen sixty three.
Regarded as one of America's most haunted places, ghosts have
been widely reported ever since, even by staff members of
the National Park Service, which now operates that property. Ghosts
have been sighted and along with strange sounds screams, yells, weeping,
and even eerie music. And that brings us to number
one on this list. And there is no debate here.
All over Google, everybody says this is the most haunted
It is Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, founded by
Quakers in eighteen twenty nine, who envisioned the Stone Castle
as a place where criminals could become penitent for their crimes,
hence the name penitentiary. That's where that comes from. The
prison was a place of total isolation. Inmates were confined
in windowless rooms and allowed no contact with any living person.
Many of them were driven insane by the solitude. Punishments
for breaking the rules were extreme, and suicides became common.
Solitary confinement was ended in the eighteen seventies, and a
century later the prison was closed down. Since that time,
ghost stories and paranormal encounters they become commonplace. Apparitions had
been seen, mysterious footsteps heard, and strange sounds reported, and
believe it or not, Eastern State Penitentiary is now like
a haunted house, like they do it up for Halloween,
and it's something you want to take a trip to
look any Pennsylvania listeners out there, let me know if
you've ever been to Eastern State Penitentiary, tell me about it.
We'll pass it on to the rest of the listeners.
So that is your top ten America's most haunted prisons
in jail. And I got one more cool thing for
you today on Halloween, and that is I'm going to
give you a list of terrifying convicts who committed murders
on Halloween night. And these are in no particular order,
but I'm going to tell you about two friends, Leslian
Mazario and Adrian Asagna, and they were stabbed late one
Halloween night. Those two and their friend Lorne Menzina, we're
busy handing out candy the trick or treaters in Napa, California.
On Halloween Night of two thousand and four, at around
eleven pm. The three women went to bed, not knowing
there will be one more visitor that night. Means awoke
to a scream in the upstairs bedroom, ran out of
the house and drove away, leaving her two friends behind. Sadly,
those two friends were stabbed to death upstairs. Eric Matthew Copel,
a friend of one of the victims, eventually turned himself
in and confessed to the murdyrs, though he never told
anyone his motive. No One Copel is serving a life
sentence without the possibility of parole. In nineteen seventy nine,
Shirley Ledford was hitchhiking home from a Halloween party back
in the seventies, you hitchhiked when two men picked her up.
They were in a dingy van. Little did she know.
The two men were known as the Toolbox Killers. Lawrence
Betaker and Roy Norris were famous for picking up female
hitchhikers and torturing them with tools typically found in a toolbox.
They often took pictures of the victims during their slayings.
After torturing Ledford, they dropped her body on a stranger's lawn,
and Leedford became the pay's fifth and final victim after
a friend turned them in. Betaker was sentenced to death
but died in twenty nineteen of natural causes, and Norris,
who cooperated during the investigation, was given forty five years
to life. And We'll go back to Halloween of nineteen
seventy five and fifteen year old Martha Moxley left her
Connecticut home to attend a costume party on Halloween Mourning,
she was found dead in the backyard, beaten to death
by a golf club. Twenty five years later, a guy
by the name of Michael Skagel, who was also fifteen
at the time the slang, was convicted of the murder
and sent usd to twenty years to life in prison. However,
he maintained his innocence and on May fourth of twenty eighteen,
the Connecticut Supreme Court vacated his conviction, and in twenty
twenty the case was actually reopened. And the next one
I'm going to tell you about I remember very well.
This happened in nineteen ninety two and it was really
close to home in New Orleans where a Japanese exchange
student never made it to his Halloween party. And if
you're a Louisiana lessoner, most of you are probably familiar
with this. When Yoshihiro Hattori, a Japanese exchange student, went
out on Halloween ninety in nineteen ninety two, he was
heading to a party in New Orleans, but he wasn't
familiar with the neighborhood he was in. Ha Tori struggled
to find the address to the event, and when He
eventually thought he had found the house the Halloween party
was at. He knocks on the door, he doesn't get
an answer, so he walks back towards his car. Suddenly
the door of the house opened and Toy said, we
are here for the party. But the man in the
doorway shot atory with a revolver. Now it turns out
Toori was at the wrong of dress, and when police
questioned the homeowner, a guy by the name of Rodney Pears,
he claimed he had been scared and he thought the
student was trespassing on his property with criminal intent. Pears
was charged with manslaughter, but invoked what's done as the
Castle Doctor, in which Americans can claim they have the
right to apply lethal means to protect their homes. And
believe it or not, he was found not guilty by
a jury, and I didn't agree with that decision at all.
I remember being disgusted by that. Sometimes I feel like
he's still in America. Hatori's father told the news someday
he'll be back home. I say to myself, what a
sad story. And I'm gonna tell you. Look, I'm the
first one to say protect your freaking property and all
of that stuff but this was not that situation. This
kid was not armed. He went to the door. He
was walking back to his car and turned around and said, hey,
we're here for the party. It was just awful, horrible situation.
But we'll bring you to the next one. We're gonna
tell you about Peter Fabano. He died and what police
said was a crime of passion in the late fifties
on Halloween night, this was actually nineteen fifty seven, so
him and his wife Betty Fabiana, they go to sleep
and they thought they were finished with trick or truders.
But in the middle of the night, the doorbell to
their La home rings. Peter got out of bed and
brought candy to the door, thinking it's a trick or truder.
On the doorstep was a woman wearing a mask. She
raised her hand, which was in a paper bag, and
shot him in the chest. He died instantly. Police eventually
arrested a woman by the name of Joan Rebel, who
reportedly had a sexual relationship with Peter's wife, Betty. It's
believed Rebel talked another woman, Goldland Piser, into murdering Peter.
Rebel was convicted of second degree murder along with piser
and was sentenced to five years to life in prison.
Five years to life. Haven't heard that one too much.
Both women were later released and Betty was never tried
for any connection in her husband's death. And we'll go
to nineteen eighty one. On Halloween night and sister Tadna
Benn's body was found naked in a convent in Texas.
The other nuns in the house, they noticed a broken
window in the community room, so they called the police
and authorities found Ben's clothing and a knife under the bed. Meanwhile,
in autopsy revealed the numb was stabbed, strangled, and sexually
ast It's horrible. Police arrested a man who lived across
the street by the name of Johnny Garrett after a
witness saw him running from the convent that evening. He
was convicted and sentenced to death in nineteen ninety two.
His last words get this were reported to be I'd
like to thank my family for loving me and taking
care of me. And the rest of the world can
kiss my ass. Well, Johnny Garrett, you can kiss my ass?
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 3: And we're going to go to New York for the
next one. And look, Halloween night trick or treat. Right
might get your house rolled, you might get it egged, whatever.
In this case, throwing eggs on Halloween night, which is
typically known as a harmless prank, but in nineteen ninety eight,
it turned deadly. A twenty one year old Bronx residence
by the name of Carl Jackson and his girlfriend. They
go to pick up their son.
Speaker 4: From a party.
Speaker 3: Teenagers throw eggs at the car and piss me off too.
Jackson gets out of the car to yell at the pranksters.
In response, one of the teenagers pulls out a gun
and shoots Jackson through the head.
Speaker 4: He dies instantly.
Speaker 3: Seventeen year old Curtis Stirling was charged with second degree
murder and criminal possession of firearm. He was convicted and
is serving twenty years in prison. He receives a card
in the mail every Halloween that reads, I'm glad you're
still there. Get this from Jackson's mother. That's pretty sweet.
Let me tell you about William Lesky. He killed his
family members on Halloween. In twenty ten, sixteen year old
Devin Griffin. He comes home on Halloween to play video
game after attending church and spending the previous night sleeping out,
He noticed that his Michigan home was a little bit
too quiet, so he goes to check on his family members.
Griffin proceeded to find his stepfather in bed covered in blood.
When police arrived, they found two more bodies, Griffin's mother
and Griffin's brother. At least eventually learned the murderer was
Griffin's stepbrother, William Lisky. Liskey beat his older stepbrother Derrick
Griffin with a hammer, shot his father, William Lesky, five times,
and then sexually assaulted and shot his stepmother, Susan Liskey.
Liskey pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated murder to
avoid the death penalty, but was found dead in his
jail cell in twenty fifteen from a self inflicted wound,
and just quickly one more, a nineteen eighty one Halloween
night brutal killing that remains unsolved. Photographer Ronald Sisman and
Smith College student Elizabeth Plattsman were beaten in their Manhattan apartment.
This was in nineteen eighty one on Halloween Night. Before
being shot dead, the apartment was completely ransacked, but nothing
was missing, and to this day that remains unsolved. I
want to wish every single one of you a happy Halloween.
I hope you enjoyed this episode. Look for some big
time stuff to about to hit for Bloody Angola Podcast.
Stick with us, it's gonna be good and until next time,
I'm Jim Chapman, your host of Bloody Angola, a podcast
of one and forty two years in the making, the
complete story of America's bloodiest present.
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