1 00:00:05,639 --> 00:00:23,719 Speaker 1: Hm, I walk straight line shackle change, Oh doesome gird? 2 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:32,320 It's calling my name? There is no mercy and it's 3 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:42,119 been a tentery juice as the hill Stream Game Wrangle three. 4 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm here by me to die inside these walls, inside 5 00:00:53,679 --> 00:01:00,240 the wild and went the girl as I'm. 6 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: Hey one, and welcome back to Bloody and Goa, A 7 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:36,879 podcast one and forty two years in the making, the 8 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,640 complete story of America's bloodiest Present. I'm Jim Chapman. And look, 9 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,239 before I get into today's episode, I got a quick update. 10 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,280 We're having some changes to Bloody and Goa. Now, if 11 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:56,120 you listen to Real Life for a Crime Daily on Tuesday, 12 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,840 Woody and I discussed some changes that are coming up. 13 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:05,959 That show will be going away on the first of November. 14 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,039 Hey everyone, and welcome to Real Life Real Crime Daily. 15 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:27,159 I'm Jim Chapman. 16 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 4: Name, what do you ever take? 17 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:33,039 Speaker 3: And this is part two? Because the lights just flickered 18 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,680 on and off, so we're gonna. 19 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,479 Speaker 5: We never had that happening in all the years. And yeah, man, 20 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:43,039 it's like Jim had a really good statement he said, 21 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,520 and look there's no lighting, no storm outside or anything 22 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:46,960 like that. 23 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, well, uh you know what he's been talking 24 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,039 about some changes coming and good changes for for the 25 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,319 Real Life Real Crime Feed. 26 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,719 Speaker 4: So let's talk about that, all right. 27 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,479 Speaker 5: Well, the you know, we've been doing this for a minute, 28 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,680 the h and we've had a lot of fun, uh, 29 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,439 you know, a lot of great things that have happened 30 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:14,520 the book. You know, you've been super successful. Also during 31 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,280 the meantime, you have one of the top shows in 32 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:17,439 the world now it. 33 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:22,319 Speaker 4: Scandals Files of the Elite, So thank God forbidding. Yeah right, 34 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,960 y'all go check that out. 35 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,479 Speaker 5: But y'all the business side of things, like when Jim 36 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,479 and I saw at the show, it was just jem 37 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,560 and I and then we got a go involved, and 38 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:38,439 you know, things transpired and what have you. Uh, But 39 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:45,639 you're always trying to improve, improve, seek seek seek different 40 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,039 avenues and different things and some things work and some 41 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,280 things don't, and some things, you know, they are what 42 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:56,719 they are. But the I'm bringing we did the daily 43 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,719 show when the Real Life Crime Original feed and then 44 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:04,439 the wow was a you know, sad thing too, and 45 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:08,360 all that of just bringing the relifful crime back to 46 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:09,560 relifeul Crime. 47 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and mainly the I decided that. 48 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,319 Speaker 5: The hashtag justice for series is going to be a 49 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,480 big part of what I do going forward, which is 50 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,120 I'm actually I had shied away with it for so 51 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,959 many years because it takes so much. But the I'm 52 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,240 actually going to help these families, and I've have cases 53 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,160 lined up, et cetera. But it's boots on the ground. 54 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,759 Speaker 3: Show and that's and that was the point I was 55 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,759 I was trying to make earlier before we had the 56 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:41,600 hiccup here. 57 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,879 Speaker 4: But uh, you know, a lot of. 58 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:47,879 Speaker 3: These shows, especially these cold case shows, and at no 59 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,079 fault of the people who host them, they just don't 60 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:54,160 have the experience of the knowledge to actually investigate these cases. 61 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:56,439 So what they'll do and their goal is to just 62 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,959 bring awareness to it. And that's important and that's good. 63 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,879 But the difference there between what a you know, a 64 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 real life real crime or a hashtag justice for brings 65 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,360 to the table is that those shows, it's actually investigating 66 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:15,000 it with an investigator that is night and day. 67 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 4: If it's it's I think you're right. 68 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 5: The difference is the personal connection and I sit with 69 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:28,480 these families, they become my families, and it's hard and soul. 70 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,639 Speaker 3: And you're invested in it. And at that time when 71 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,680 you get emotionally invested. 72 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,959 Speaker 4: In see this, look y'all. 73 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 5: The best ship that we ever do is unscripted. I'm 74 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,759 going to get to my current he's. 75 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: And we were just talking. Damn it, I don't even 76 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,720 know how to do this. Go ahead and find that 77 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,480 and them entertained sing to them. 78 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,199 Speaker 5: We were talking about before we came in here. However, 79 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,839 we're going to tell you all what we had to 80 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,759 tell tell you the And then we're like, you know what, 81 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,199 since the beginning, we've just been rolling unscripted. People would 82 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:11,759 come in to interview or whatever, and we'd be like, no, 83 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,360 the uh, don't tell us save a friend there, because 84 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,600 you never know what's going to come out behind the microphone. 85 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 4: All right, So look at this. This is my bedside table. 86 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: Now, oh wowe picture. He's showing a picture of a 87 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:27,879 beautiful girl. 88 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: That's Haley. Wow. 89 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 5: So she's the first thing I see when I wake 90 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:32,639 up and the last thing I see before I go 91 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,040 to bed. Yeah, And it was courting, and Coco was 92 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:38,680 the same way. Miss Stephanie had sent me her cheerleading 93 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,800 picture and her high school graduation picture. And that's my 94 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,079 that's my actual case files that on that late yellow 95 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,279 legal pad yeah. I spend that every night, you know, 96 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:52,639 before I go to sleep, right, taking more notes on 97 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:53,360 different things. 98 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: And it's just a lot. 99 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:59,319 Speaker 5: And and I think that, you know, like on Mary 100 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:02,879 post Show's case, and I wasn't gonna do it. 101 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:04,439 Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna do it. I didn't want to, you know, 102 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:05,079 I didn't want. 103 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 5: To have to put that kind of energy and hard 104 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:10,319 and everything like according to Coco's And then finally that night, 105 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,600 you know, life has been reached out to me, and 106 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,879 Mama caare in Klana finally said we please just talk 107 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,120 to the sister. It's one of my good friends. And 108 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:22,920 you know, I can't tell mama no, right, Mama Careen, 109 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,680 And so I did, and then she told me the 110 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,120 story and then send me the picture and I said, 111 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:30,639 let me call you back. And I showed it to 112 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,360 my wife and she said, how can you not use 113 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:37,120 your gud giving gifts in your platform that he gave 114 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:42,120 you to not go solve us girls homicide? And we 115 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,160 did it, but I hadn't done one since. But we're 116 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:48,240 gonna I'm going in that direction, y'all. There'll still be 117 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:54,000 real life for crime originals. And but the hashtag Justice 118 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,279 four is a lot and like this case is out 119 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,160 of Atlanta, this one, and even then Louisiana and I 120 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,439 had boots on the ground Atlanta. 121 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,519 Speaker 4: And now it's it's it's. 122 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,519 Speaker 5: Gonna be an ongoing thing. And and you've got a 123 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:09,439 lot going on. 124 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:11,399 Speaker 4: And I love doing the Daily Show. 125 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,759 Speaker 5: It's you know, it's going to y'all, it's gonna be 126 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:15,879 on its own feed. 127 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:18,319 Speaker 4: But the. 128 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:23,319 Speaker 3: What do you say that it well, if you like 129 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:26,959 those past episodes, the past episodes will be on a 130 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,560 new feed. 131 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: Right right, But I mean, like the basically this is 132 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:37,720 like the Swan song, you know, for Daily and it's 133 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,440 it's a sad thing, but it's it's kind of an 134 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:47,360 exciting thing too because the uh, you know, the future 135 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:50,960 is right and Jim and I are still gonna be 136 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,919 working together on things with the you know, love them 137 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:59,159 more than anything in the world. Uh, it's been a great, 138 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,519 great run, but it's just time to yeah. Yeah, and look, 139 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,279 you're rolling hard too, And I know that you're rolling. 140 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:10,960 I always said you were the hardest working man the 141 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,759 show business, but now you really are. 142 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,039 Speaker 4: And I get that to you. And you know, it's 143 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,480 it's it's been great. 144 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,759 Speaker 3: Bright Yeah, yeah, it has and and uh, we've been doing. 145 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:27,120 You know, we've been working together for four years or so, 146 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,559 coming coming close to five, and we're continue to. 147 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: Work together on some on things that it's you know, 148 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,919 we're always I will always be. 149 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 5: Accessible to you, and I know you will always be 150 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,240 accessible to me. Yeah. 151 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: Uh And we know people out there, you know, some 152 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:45,440 people what happened with Jim. 153 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:50,919 Speaker 5: And that the same one that ain't the case is 154 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:56,039 past with any I've had, you know, people that we're 155 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:59,559 associated with the show that that some of them just 156 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,519 had to be go right and and some of those 157 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,480 were definitely from Yeah, some of them were just business 158 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,559 and some of them were kind of the farious, but whatever, 159 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,559 that is what it is, and it's done. And I 160 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,720 wish just people well, but this is not one. 161 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,159 Speaker 4: This is this is something. 162 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,919 Speaker 5: That if it could be avoided time wise and stuff, 163 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:25,799 and it would be, but it just can't. And I 164 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:29,399 think that you know, we're going to both continue to 165 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:35,360 go on and do great things, uh yeah together, Yes, 166 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,519 but certainly I can't wait to see. I know you've 167 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:40,840 got a lot of stuff in the works and a 168 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:44,600 lot and. 169 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 4: They got that too, uh uh so, but you'll always 170 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:51,639 been hell of right boy. It has and. 171 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 5: I'm a miss coming in and getting my f fau 172 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,200 and on the way and coming in the morning was. 173 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,039 Speaker 3: Cold or hot and yeah, and you know, well we'll 174 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 still maybe every now and then do an episode together 175 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,679 or something if if time permits for for both of us. 176 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,720 But uh, you know, with these type of shows, and 177 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:16,759 really with this type of industry, it's it's something that 178 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,200 you have to constantly evolve, and you have to really 179 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,720 pay attention to what your audience wants and real life 180 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,639 for Crimes evolving and and uh, in some ways it 181 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,720 is going back to its roots, but in some ways 182 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:34,519 is you know, original content that uh features Woody Everton. 183 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,039 Speaker 4: As it should. Uh. That's how it got started exactly. 184 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 5: I've always been that guy, you know, like you hustler, 185 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,960 you want to branch out and. 186 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 4: Do and do and do. 187 00:11:44,919 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 5: But you know, I don't think people understand it's so 188 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:50,320 much more, uh. 189 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,039 Speaker 4: Than just podcasts. It's all the. 190 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,799 Speaker 5: Social media and the pages and you know, you know 191 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,120 you're in, yeah, the research, and but even like just 192 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,720 something simple as going uh and checking from me going 193 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:12,600 and checking the Real Life Real Crime Daily Facebook page. 194 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,759 At the end, when I've got seven other Facebook pages, 195 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:16,320 I gotta. 196 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:19,279 Speaker 4: Check you know, and and. 197 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,879 Speaker 5: I know you know you always kept that up and 198 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:23,519 you did the posting and everything else. It's just so 199 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:29,840 much more, uh than podcasts. And I'm not complaining. I'm blessed, 200 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:34,960 no doubt about it, and blessed by way beyond anything 201 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:39,080 that I ever dreamed of. And and we were blessed 202 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:42,399 on the Daily Show, I mean all the way around, 203 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:45,720 a lot of fun. You and I didn't have any hiccups. 204 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,720 But there were some hiccups in it. I think everybody 205 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,679 knows about that, but you know, and the ship got 206 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,480 worked out and it is what it is. 207 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 4: But you know, I don't know. I'm I'm missing to 208 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:06,120 be there. And we'll let y'all know. I don't know 209 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:08,360 what we call that feeding. I guess the Daily Show, 210 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,720 I don't know, but the it'll be anywhere you can 211 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:17,240 listen to a podcast. Yeah, yeah, so if you know 212 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:20,639 it won't be on we'll put a rink put on 213 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:22,360 our socials and stuff of the. 214 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 5: It won't be on the Original Life Real Crime Link anymore. 215 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd have to go to that, and it will. 216 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,960 It won't be the Daily Shows. 217 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: Won't be updated on that feed. 218 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: There may be some things I don't know that are 219 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,919 placed on there, but the Daily Show won't as you know, 220 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,120 it won't be on that right. 221 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: But you know, y'all have been great in true classic form. 222 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,799 Love and appreciate each and every one of y'all, and 223 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:56,879 thank you for listening and liking and sharing. And you know, 224 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,480 jim my brother from another mother. I love features so bright. 225 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:02,519 We gotta wear shades. 226 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,919 Speaker 4: And uh, we were so busy. We got to hire 227 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,919 some people. And that's a good problem. I had turn 228 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,600 the lease. We are busy. That's a good problem to have, 229 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,159 and more busy because of y'all. 230 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 5: And and and look, just thank you, yeah, look and 231 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,159 h when I started this with real life or a 232 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,320 crime way back in the day, uh, it was. 233 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: Just to help and and uh, you know, do what 234 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,720 what I felt like I was good at, which was 235 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,440 uh the world's best editor and and and so that 236 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:42,679 kind of branched into all these other things that I 237 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:45,240 had an opportunity, and I was blessed to get those 238 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,240 opportunities and very thankful. 239 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 5: And you got Envision podcast Studio is now of course 240 00:14:51,159 --> 00:14:54,840 local leaders, you got Scandalous, you got got you know, 241 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,960 soap producing so many different. 242 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: Shows and it all it's same thing. 243 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,919 Speaker 5: That I was talking about earlier, Like we're talking about 244 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,320 branching out, expanding, and you know my daddy says about that. 245 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,600 What eediot, you got it or you don't. You got 246 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,440 the driver, you don't and it doesn't. You know, this 247 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:17,879 is not a failure for the Daily Show because the 248 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,120 numbers were still there and everything else. It's a it's 249 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:26,759 a it's a failure on time. And uh, I don't know, 250 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,559 he's spent a time and circumstances I guess in in 251 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,799 wanting to and going to branch out and in these 252 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:36,720 other directions. 253 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:39,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, let me let me say it. And 254 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:40,480 I touched on it earlier. 255 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: But with the Justice War series and the way the 256 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Wood he does it, which is totally different than any 257 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,879 other podcast or does it. Uh, it requires a lot 258 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,799 of time and it requires you know, he's going to 259 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,759 these places. He's getting really emotionally invested, which is it's 260 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,519 hard to turn your brain in another direction anytime you 261 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,360 get emotionally invested with something, So you know, that's a 262 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,519 big That's a big part of it too, is uh, 263 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:11,840 you only have twenty four hours in a day, so 264 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,519 you know you'll still be getting entertaining content from from 265 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:17,720 everybody that's ever been affiliated. 266 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,519 Speaker 4: With this show to just being in a different way 267 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,279 and form. Right, Uh, it's gonna be really, it's gonna 268 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:29,960 be love. It's me something to see, I'm no doubt about. 269 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 5: It's sad, sad, but excited and blessed you know, to 270 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:39,559 have done this and the watch it growing morph. 271 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: And and yeah, and let's talk about Bloody and Gola 272 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:45,279 real quick. So Bloody and Gola, which is more of 273 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,799 a passion for me and more than anything else. We 274 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:51,080 both just love that history. Well, we love history and 275 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:52,679 historical prisons. 276 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,159 Speaker 4: And especially first year in existence one people. Yeah, it's 277 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,919 done a lot with that history. Yeah, and it's still 278 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,600 going strong. 279 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,039 Speaker 3: Uh so what are he is still going to be 280 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,640 a you know, owner of that show, just like me. Uh, 281 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:12,359 and he's because of time, he's going to be more 282 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:14,279 kind of in and out of that show. 283 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,799 Speaker 4: Which which I have been lea. 284 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's both of our faults, but that was 285 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:24,559 a good signal to both of us that our time 286 00:17:24,759 --> 00:17:27,200 is just getting pulled in so many different directions that 287 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,720 so if you know, continue to listen to it and 288 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:32,640 and what do you be on there? We'll try to 289 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,640 get him on every every couple of months or every 290 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,480 month or so, and. 291 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 4: You have the uh I still trip. 292 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the guy that well, like I say his name, 293 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,200 he told me, uh, I saw him at a dove 294 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:52,279 hunt and he said he said, uh, he said, man, 295 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,440 it ain't the same. He said, I can't. He's an 296 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,599 ex something up there. He said, I can't just do 297 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,759 it like I used to because all the changes are 298 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:04,839 coming down and administration and you headed the department and whatever. Yeah, 299 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,400 whatever system of being worked on. And there'll be a 300 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,799 million stories that can come from that. 301 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 302 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. So, uh so we're 303 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,720 gonna keep as many shows around as we can, and 304 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,480 we know y'all love that stuff, and uh they'll be 305 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,960 there'll be more upcoming. I'm looking forward to it, I 306 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:25,599 think real life. Look, I was a fan first, right, 307 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,119 you know, before I ever got affiliated with the show. 308 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: I was a fan of the show. 309 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,079 Speaker 5: And I appreciate it and I love you much and 310 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,799 yeah it's been fun, bro, but it ain't. We ain't 311 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:45,319 done now we all right? Well, all right, peeps, so 312 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,400 now you got the inside scoop. You got inside scoop 313 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:51,839 and love I guess so one time I love and 314 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,319 appreciate each and every one of y'all, and thank you 315 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,599 for liking and listening and sharing and hey all that 316 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,599 good podcast. 317 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,039 Speaker 4: Podcast or shit. 318 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: Until next time. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm what do 319 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:06,960 you Everton. We are your host of Real Life, Real 320 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:13,039 Crime Daily Peace Booms. So there it was some changes 321 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:16,759 coming to obviously several things that we do. But one 322 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,519 thing that is not going to change. Bloody Ain't Goola 323 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,359 is not going anywhere. And coming up, we're going to 324 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,000 focus on some series episodes with Bloody Angola that I 325 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:30,240 think are going to knock your socks off, So get 326 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:30,839 ready for that. 327 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 4: And look, it's Halloween. This is a Halloween special episode. 328 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:37,319 Speaker 3: But I wanted to get all of that out of 329 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,480 the way prior to bringing you this, and it'll be 330 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:44,799 a little abbreviated compared to the length of our normal episodes, 331 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,039 because I know all of you either want to get 332 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:49,279 out there with your kids and trigg or treat or 333 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,200 maybe you are like me and your kids are grown, 334 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,640 but you hand out candy and you enjoy seeing all 335 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,240 the cool costumes and stuff like that, and I want 336 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:01,079 you to be able to get to that. I've got 337 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,680 some really fun different stuff for you. You know, with 338 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:07,279 all these crime shows, we talk about a lot of 339 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,839 things that are disturbing, for lack of a better term, sometimes, 340 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,279 So I love doing these holiday episodes where it's a 341 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:18,200 little bit funner, a little bit lighter, I guess you 342 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:22,000 could say. But with Halloween it's also a little bit scarier. 343 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,680 So we're going to talk about two things that I researched. 344 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:28,799 One of them is America's most haunted prisons in jails. 345 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:32,160 And let me tell you, there is nothing out there 346 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,920 better than a haunted prison if you're someone that's into Halloween. 347 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,519 And so I kind of compiled a top ten list 348 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:47,400 of the most haunted prisons in jails in the United States, 349 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,440 and I'm going to start with number ten and work 350 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,240 my way backwards and kind of give you a little bit, 351 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,359 just a couple of paragraphs of a history on each 352 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,519 of these. So today I'm going to be like the 353 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,359 David Letterman, the top ten list of Halloween podcasts. 354 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 4: So here we go. 355 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: Number ten, Missouri State Penitentiary. Now that's in Jefferson City, Missouri. 356 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,119 And believe it or not, the Missouri State Penitentiary is 357 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:17,559 known currently as the Walls they copied off of Louisiana 358 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:18,440 State Penitentiary. 359 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,039 Speaker 4: Y'all, we were the Walls, how dare they? So? 360 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,759 Speaker 3: It's also known as the Walls and was constructed in 361 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,799 the early eighteen thirties to serve the newly emitted state 362 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:35,480 of Missouri. The earliest prisoners made the bricks that the 363 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,119 first walls were built from, which was common during that 364 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:39,400 time prison labor. 365 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: Right. 366 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:44,759 Speaker 3: The initial prison population consisted of one guard, one warden, 367 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,640 fifteen prisoners, and a foreman for the brick making operation 368 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,799 with an assistant. Eleven of the fifteen prisoners were from 369 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,599 Saint Louis and all were incarcerated for larceny theft, except 370 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,960 for one who was in for stabbing a man during 371 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:06,359 a drunken brawl. Needless to say, that prison grew many 372 00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:09,759 times over the years. It eventually closed, but get this 373 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:13,279 two thousand and four, so it had a long history. 374 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: Now. 375 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:19,559 Speaker 3: During its operation, it saw many infamous prisoners, including Charles 376 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:26,920 pretty Boy, Floyd, James Earl Ray, Bobby Greenlease, kidnappers Carl 377 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:32,160 Austin Hall, and Bonnie Haiti. They were actually executed at 378 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,319 that prison. In nineteen fifty four, there was a major 379 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:39,200 riot at the penitentiary, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, the 380 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,400 National Guard from Missouri, and the police departments from Jefferson City, 381 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,319 Saint Louis and Kansas City were called to help stop 382 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,480 that disturbance. And when it was all over, four inmates 383 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:53,279 had been killed, twenty nine were injured, and there had 384 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,960 been one attempted suicide. During the riot, four guards had 385 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,279 been seriously injured, and several big buildings have been burned. 386 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,599 During its operation, forty inmates were executed in the gas chamber. 387 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Time magazine once called it get thus the bloodiest forty 388 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:13,839 seven acres in America. They're copying off of Louisiana State 389 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Penitentiary again, except for we're a hell of a lot 390 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:20,079 more than forty seven acres around here now. Since its 391 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,880 closure of the penitentiary has become a hotspot for pair 392 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,240 and normal activity. Staff members and visitors actually reported dozens 393 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:33,960 of eerie encounters with lingering spirits which had been seen, heard, 394 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:39,240 and encountered firsthand. So that's number ten on the less 395 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:45,160 number nine Wyoming Territorial Prison. That's in Laramie, Wyoming. The 396 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,640 westward expansion of the railroad brought more than money in 397 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:51,720 high times to the people of Laramie. It also brought 398 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,119 a score of unsavory men and women in a crime 399 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,440 rate that rivaled much larger Eastern cities. As a result, 400 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,039 the why Yoming Territorial Prison was built as a federal 401 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,319 penitentiary in Laomie in eighteen seventy two. The facility was 402 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,160 plagued with problems from the start, with a fire in 403 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,119 eighteen seventy three and a number of escapes. 404 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 4: Of the forty four. 405 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,559 Speaker 3: Prisoners accepted in the first two years of the operation, 406 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,880 eleven escaped. By eighteen seventy seven, the prison was overcrowded, 407 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,720 and as its reputation worsened, changes were made in A 408 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,720 second sale block was constructed. It became a state prison 409 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,640 from eighteen ninety to nineteen oh one. There were at 410 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:39,279 least five sales for female inmates and several solitary confinement cells. 411 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:43,640 Soon to be famous outlaw Butch Cassidy was incarcerated here 412 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:47,240 from eighteen ninety four to eighteen ninety six. After its 413 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,319 closure in nineteen oh three, the prison was given to 414 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,839 the University of Wyoming, which used it for livestock breeding 415 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,400 experiments until nineteen eighty nine. It opened to the public 416 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,480 as a hit historic site two years later and stories 417 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,880 of ghost begin to circulate. With more than one thousand 418 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,599 inmates housed there over the years, it's to be expected 419 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,599 that some of the prisoners of guards might linger behind. However, 420 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,519 there's one prisoner who is more active than the others. 421 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,559 His name is Julius Greenwald, and he was sent to 422 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,519 the prison for the eighteen ninety seven murderer of his 423 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,119 wife and prison Loar states that Greenwald was adept to 424 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,839 making cigars and convincing prison staff to allow him to 425 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,759 make and sell cigars while incarcerated. He allegedly made the 426 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,559 cigars from his cell on the third floor, a cell 427 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,759 that was removed during renovation of the site. Allegedly, Greenwald's 428 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,240 spirit did not appreciate this at all, and he has 429 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,119 manifested as a phantom cigar smell at the prison ever since. 430 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:52,039 Speaker 4: How about that. 431 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,559 Speaker 3: And we're going to get to number eight, and that 432 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:59,680 is West Virginia Penitentiary that's in Moundsville, West Virginia. In 433 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,440 that the prison was built on the edge of Moundsville. 434 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,039 This was in eighteen sixty six. The prison remained open 435 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,440 for one hundred and twenty nine years, and it finally 436 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:12,440 closed down in nineteen ninety five. During that time, the 437 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:16,480 structure housed thousands of prisoners. Many lost their lives there 438 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,920 through both state sanctioned executions and during prison violence. Since 439 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480 its closure, the prison had become one of the most 440 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,759 haunted sites in the country. Staff members and visitors alike 441 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,480 have reported ghosts in the north Hall, where the most 442 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,960 dangerous inmates are housed, and the execution chamber, where Old 443 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,319 Sparky sent many to its early grave, and the whole 444 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:43,200 a brutal solitary confinement area that often drove inmates to 445 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,240 insanity and suicide. Ghost Hunters have flocked to the former 446 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,319 penitentiary over the years, and visitors claimed to have experienced 447 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,240 the sound of phantom footsteps, voices, noises that have no explanation, 448 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,200 cold chills, and an overwhelming fee of panic. 449 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: How about that? 450 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 3: And we're gonna go up pot of Watamee County Jail. 451 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,160 And this is in Council Bluff's, Iowa, And it was 452 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,759 built in eighteen eighty five, and that jail is one 453 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:17,200 of the most unusual houses of incarceration in America. The 454 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,559 jail has a three tier cell block with ten cells 455 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,480 on each tier. It was originally designed to rotate continuously 456 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,240 throughout the night by means of a water wheel in 457 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:30,240 the basement, so it earned the nickname of the squirrel 458 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,519 cage Jail. In this way, all the prisoners could be 459 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,880 watched from a central location. Unfortunately, the forty five ton 460 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:40,680 cell block was simply too heavy to work right, and 461 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:45,119 it became stuck frequently. Eventually, the jailers gave up on 462 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,480 the plan and the nightguard had to be hired. The 463 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,240 cylinder continued to be used until at nineteen sixty when 464 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,319 a prisoner died in his cell and the cell block jammed, 465 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,119 trapping the body in the cell for several days. After that, 466 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,119 cell door were cut into every cell. The jail was 467 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,400 closed down in nineteen sixty nine, and during its history 468 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,960 four deaths occurred within its walls. One man died of 469 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,440 a heart attack, another in a fall when he tried 470 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,559 to write his name on the ceiling. Another hanged himself 471 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,440 in a cell, in the last after an incident in 472 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,559 which an officer actually shot himself in the confusion of 473 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,079 protecting the jail from an angry mob during the farmer's 474 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,519 Holiday strike of nineteen thirty two. It's no surprise that 475 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,640 these unlucky individuals along with others are believed to still 476 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,559 linger that jail, and we'll go to Crown Point, Indiana 477 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,559 in Lake County Jail, and the Lake County Jail is 478 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,240 located in the county seat of Crown Point. It was 479 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,039 built in nineteen oh eight and enlarged twenty years later. 480 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,519 At that time, county sheriffs were required to live at 481 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:54,920 the jail, and so the combined residents in jail included 482 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,519 all the facilities needed for its purpose as a law 483 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,880 enforcement institution. Located within the walls where the family's living 484 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,279 area warden's residence, department offices, one hundred and fifty cells, 485 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:13,720 maximum security accommodations, institutional kitchen, food storage, heating and cooling systems. 486 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,559 They even had a barber shop and a garage. It 487 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,319 was considered to be one of the finest in Indiana 488 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,880 and it was thought to be escape proof. However, on 489 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,480 March third of nineteen thirty four, gangster John Dillinger proved 490 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,079 it to be otherwise when he made a daring escape 491 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,759 that gave the jail its infamy. The jail remained in 492 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,400 operation until the nineteen seventies, when it became a historic 493 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,599 site as restoration has continued over the last twenty years. 494 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:46,000 Stories have emerged about the haunting in the jail. Apparitions 495 00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,599 have been seen in the sales and corridors, Strange photographs 496 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,359 have been taken, doors open and closed by themselves, lights 497 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,000 turn on and off, and dis embodied footsteps and voices 498 00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:04,039 have often been reported by volunteers and staff alike. Pretty freaky. 499 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,880 And We're going to go to Chicago, Illinois, and I'm 500 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,599 gonna tell you about a haunted police station. It's known 501 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,279 as Maxwell Street Police Station. And this police station is 502 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,720 known as Bloody Maxwell. How about that because of the 503 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,599 escalating crime rate in the area. It was constructed in 504 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,359 eighteen eighty nine, and at that time, the surrounding part 505 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,480 of the city was home to thousands of Italian immigrants, 506 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,359 including the Jenni brothers, who partnered with al Capone's organization 507 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:37,319 during Prohibition to make bootleg liquor within blocks of the 508 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:44,079 police station. It became a notorious police station known for corruption, bribery, brutality, 509 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,960 and torture, and many law breakers never left the basement 510 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,640 dungeon quote unquote alive. The station closed down in nineteen 511 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,359 ninety seven and became to be used by the security 512 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,440 officers for the nearby University of Illinois Chicago campus. It's 513 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:04,799 currently been used for filming of the television show Chicago PD. 514 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,880 Although the cops and criminals of the station's passed are 515 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,319 long gone, legend goes they still linger there, especially those 516 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,880 who brutalized and killed and were killed in the dungeon. 517 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,759 Screams have been reported coming from the basement, along what moaning, crying, 518 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,960 and the sounds of rattling bars and handcuff chains. Ohio 519 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,359 Penitentiary and this was formerly in Columbus, Ohio. This penitentiary 520 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,920 was opened in eighteen thirty four and first condemned by 521 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:39,759 reformers in the early nineteen hundreds. It was not closed 522 00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,079 down until nineteen seventy nine, and the prison has since 523 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,480 been demolished, but haunting memories of it remained. During its 524 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,240 years of operation, the prison saw scores of death from fire, 525 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,359 outbreaks of disease, murder, and executions in the state's electric chair, 526 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680 but nothing matched the horror of the fire that in 527 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,079 golf that prison in April of nineteen thirty. This fire 528 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,640 swept through the West block of the penitentiary. It killed 529 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,839 three hundred and twenty two inmates in a single night. 530 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,039 While the prison was still open, inmates complained of ghostly 531 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,079 sightings and eerie happenings, but when the buildings were finally 532 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,440 torn down, tails quickly spread of apparitions among the ruins. Eventually, 533 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,960 the prism was replaced by a sports arena, which is 534 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,200 also rumored to be haunted. Stay away from Ohio Penitentiary, 535 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,640 and we're going to stay in Ohio, but we're gonna 536 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,079 go to Mansfield, Ohio for this one. And this is 537 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,960 Ohio State Reformatory. And the Ohio State Reformatory was actually 538 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,680 made famous by the Shawshank Redemption, which was filmed there. 539 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,440 Was opened in eighteen ninety six as a prison for 540 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,720 criminals too old for juvenile facilities and not hardened enough 541 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,279 for the penitentiary. It saw untold thousands of prisoners during 542 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,440 its years of operation, and while once applauded as a 543 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,319 place to be humanly reformed for first time offenders, the 544 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,559 conditions deteriorated to the point that it became known for abuse, torture, 545 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:16,440 and murder. Already considered overcrowded in humane by the nineteen thirties, 546 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:20,279 the massive prison was kept open until nineteen eighty six, 547 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,839 even after a federal lawsuit was filed by the inmates, 548 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,839 citing that it was unfit for human occupation. Since the 549 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,279 closing of the reformatory, stories have circulated that it is 550 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,920 haunted by the tormented spirits of former inmates, guards and 551 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,079 prison officials who simply never left. Apparitions take place in 552 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,799 the cells where the inmates once lived, suffered, and sometimes died. 553 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,839 One of the resonant ghosts is reported to be Helen Gladoc, 554 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:54,039 the wife of Arthur Gladick. She died at the local 555 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,599 hospital in nineteen fifty after a leaded handgun fell from 556 00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:01,039 a closet shelf in the wardens of apartment and went off. 557 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,480 Her spirit has allegedly remained in the apartment ever since, 558 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,400 often manifesting as the smell of perfume. 559 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:10,599 Speaker 4: Spooky. 560 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to give you the top two and 561 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,880 we'll start with number two and you probably expected this one. 562 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:23,559 Alcatraz in San Francisco, California, The Rock, the name given 563 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,760 to Alcatraz Penitentiary, was the ultimate American prison. It was 564 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,679 the place where scores of the country's worst criminal offenders, 565 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,400 blood letters, bad men, and escape artists called the end 566 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,000 of the line although it started as a military prison 567 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,199 for twenty nine years, the prison kept the country's most 568 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,360 notorious lawbreakers, including al Capone, Doc Barker, George, Machine Gun Kelly, 569 00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:52,599 and others confined behind stone walls. The initial prison was 570 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,840 built in eighteen fifty nine, but fell into disrepair by 571 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,880 the nineteen twenties. It was reopened in nineteen thirty three 572 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,719 to be an escape per federal prison, and it was 573 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,239 the brutal place of punishment and confinement with few privileges, Suicide, murder, 574 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,920 and even insanity became common. In nineteen forty six, several 575 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,280 inmates attempted a violent and bloody escape from the rock, 576 00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,519 but failed. There were a handful of other attempts, but 577 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:23,480 only one successful attempt. In nineteen sixty two, Win three 578 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,199 bank robber, using handmade rubber rafts and dummies with real 579 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,480 human hair, vanished into the dark waters of the Bay. 580 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,760 Alcatraz was closed down one year later in nineteen sixty three. 581 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,559 Regarded as one of America's most haunted places, ghosts have 582 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,719 been widely reported ever since, even by staff members of 583 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,000 the National Park Service, which now operates that property. Ghosts 584 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:51,199 have been sighted and along with strange sounds screams, yells, weeping, 585 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,599 and even eerie music. And that brings us to number 586 00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:59,119 one on this list. And there is no debate here. 587 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,519 All over Google, everybody says this is the most haunted 588 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,599 It is Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, founded by 589 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,519 Quakers in eighteen twenty nine, who envisioned the Stone Castle 590 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:18,480 as a place where criminals could become penitent for their crimes, 591 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,599 hence the name penitentiary. That's where that comes from. The 592 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,480 prison was a place of total isolation. Inmates were confined 593 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:30,639 in windowless rooms and allowed no contact with any living person. 594 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,320 Many of them were driven insane by the solitude. Punishments 595 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,360 for breaking the rules were extreme, and suicides became common. 596 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,880 Solitary confinement was ended in the eighteen seventies, and a 597 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,599 century later the prison was closed down. Since that time, 598 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,400 ghost stories and paranormal encounters they become commonplace. Apparitions had 599 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,760 been seen, mysterious footsteps heard, and strange sounds reported, and 600 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,679 believe it or not, Eastern State Penitentiary is now like 601 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,679 a haunted house, like they do it up for Halloween, 602 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,199 and it's something you want to take a trip to 603 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,159 look any Pennsylvania listeners out there, let me know if 604 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,559 you've ever been to Eastern State Penitentiary, tell me about it. 605 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,559 We'll pass it on to the rest of the listeners. 606 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:24,199 So that is your top ten America's most haunted prisons 607 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,920 in jail. And I got one more cool thing for 608 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:31,480 you today on Halloween, and that is I'm going to 609 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,719 give you a list of terrifying convicts who committed murders 610 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,760 on Halloween night. And these are in no particular order, 611 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,599 but I'm going to tell you about two friends, Leslian 612 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,760 Mazario and Adrian Asagna, and they were stabbed late one 613 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,559 Halloween night. Those two and their friend Lorne Menzina, we're 614 00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:59,199 busy handing out candy the trick or treaters in Napa, California. 615 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,880 On Halloween Night of two thousand and four, at around 616 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,199 eleven pm. The three women went to bed, not knowing 617 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,079 there will be one more visitor that night. Means awoke 618 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,079 to a scream in the upstairs bedroom, ran out of 619 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:21,760 the house and drove away, leaving her two friends behind. Sadly, 620 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:27,239 those two friends were stabbed to death upstairs. Eric Matthew Copel, 621 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000 a friend of one of the victims, eventually turned himself 622 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,679 in and confessed to the murdyrs, though he never told 623 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,639 anyone his motive. No One Copel is serving a life 624 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:45,119 sentence without the possibility of parole. In nineteen seventy nine, 625 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,599 Shirley Ledford was hitchhiking home from a Halloween party back 626 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,000 in the seventies, you hitchhiked when two men picked her up. 627 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,360 They were in a dingy van. Little did she know. 628 00:38:56,559 --> 00:39:00,519 The two men were known as the Toolbox Killers. Lawrence 629 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,000 Betaker and Roy Norris were famous for picking up female 630 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:09,840 hitchhikers and torturing them with tools typically found in a toolbox. 631 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,960 They often took pictures of the victims during their slayings. 632 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,039 After torturing Ledford, they dropped her body on a stranger's lawn, 633 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:24,760 and Leedford became the pay's fifth and final victim after 634 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,840 a friend turned them in. Betaker was sentenced to death 635 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,639 but died in twenty nineteen of natural causes, and Norris, 636 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:37,079 who cooperated during the investigation, was given forty five years 637 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,239 to life. And We'll go back to Halloween of nineteen 638 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,440 seventy five and fifteen year old Martha Moxley left her 639 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,159 Connecticut home to attend a costume party on Halloween Mourning, 640 00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,880 she was found dead in the backyard, beaten to death 641 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000 by a golf club. Twenty five years later, a guy 642 00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:59,440 by the name of Michael Skagel, who was also fifteen 643 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,039 at the time the slang, was convicted of the murder 644 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,800 and sent usd to twenty years to life in prison. However, 645 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,440 he maintained his innocence and on May fourth of twenty eighteen, 646 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:14,519 the Connecticut Supreme Court vacated his conviction, and in twenty 647 00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:19,039 twenty the case was actually reopened. And the next one 648 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,639 I'm going to tell you about I remember very well. 649 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,800 This happened in nineteen ninety two and it was really 650 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,880 close to home in New Orleans where a Japanese exchange 651 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,119 student never made it to his Halloween party. And if 652 00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,320 you're a Louisiana lessoner, most of you are probably familiar 653 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,920 with this. When Yoshihiro Hattori, a Japanese exchange student, went 654 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,519 out on Halloween ninety in nineteen ninety two, he was 655 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,320 heading to a party in New Orleans, but he wasn't 656 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,719 familiar with the neighborhood he was in. Ha Tori struggled 657 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,559 to find the address to the event, and when He 658 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,440 eventually thought he had found the house the Halloween party 659 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,119 was at. He knocks on the door, he doesn't get 660 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:05,000 an answer, so he walks back towards his car. Suddenly 661 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,719 the door of the house opened and Toy said, we 662 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,440 are here for the party. But the man in the 663 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:15,320 doorway shot atory with a revolver. Now it turns out 664 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,559 Toori was at the wrong of dress, and when police 665 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,800 questioned the homeowner, a guy by the name of Rodney Pears, 666 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,880 he claimed he had been scared and he thought the 667 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,280 student was trespassing on his property with criminal intent. Pears 668 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,800 was charged with manslaughter, but invoked what's done as the 669 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,400 Castle Doctor, in which Americans can claim they have the 670 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:41,000 right to apply lethal means to protect their homes. And 671 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,719 believe it or not, he was found not guilty by 672 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,320 a jury, and I didn't agree with that decision at all. 673 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,280 I remember being disgusted by that. Sometimes I feel like 674 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,480 he's still in America. Hatori's father told the news someday 675 00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,119 he'll be back home. I say to myself, what a 676 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,280 sad story. And I'm gonna tell you. Look, I'm the 677 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,159 first one to say protect your freaking property and all 678 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,119 of that stuff but this was not that situation. This 679 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,519 kid was not armed. He went to the door. He 680 00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,840 was walking back to his car and turned around and said, hey, 681 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,000 we're here for the party. It was just awful, horrible situation. 682 00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,840 But we'll bring you to the next one. We're gonna 683 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,760 tell you about Peter Fabano. He died and what police 684 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,559 said was a crime of passion in the late fifties 685 00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,559 on Halloween night, this was actually nineteen fifty seven, so 686 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,599 him and his wife Betty Fabiana, they go to sleep 687 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480 and they thought they were finished with trick or truders. 688 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,960 But in the middle of the night, the doorbell to 689 00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:47,119 their La home rings. Peter got out of bed and 690 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,039 brought candy to the door, thinking it's a trick or truder. 691 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,480 On the doorstep was a woman wearing a mask. She 692 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,280 raised her hand, which was in a paper bag, and 693 00:42:56,519 --> 00:43:00,639 shot him in the chest. He died instantly. Police eventually 694 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,199 arrested a woman by the name of Joan Rebel, who 695 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:10,519 reportedly had a sexual relationship with Peter's wife, Betty. It's 696 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,840 believed Rebel talked another woman, Goldland Piser, into murdering Peter. 697 00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:19,599 Rebel was convicted of second degree murder along with piser 698 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,840 and was sentenced to five years to life in prison. 699 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,239 Five years to life. Haven't heard that one too much. 700 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,800 Both women were later released and Betty was never tried 701 00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,639 for any connection in her husband's death. And we'll go 702 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,920 to nineteen eighty one. On Halloween night and sister Tadna 703 00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:44,760 Benn's body was found naked in a convent in Texas. 704 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,960 The other nuns in the house, they noticed a broken 705 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,960 window in the community room, so they called the police 706 00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,599 and authorities found Ben's clothing and a knife under the bed. Meanwhile, 707 00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,760 in autopsy revealed the numb was stabbed, strangled, and sexually 708 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,679 ast It's horrible. Police arrested a man who lived across 709 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,639 the street by the name of Johnny Garrett after a 710 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,599 witness saw him running from the convent that evening. He 711 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,679 was convicted and sentenced to death in nineteen ninety two. 712 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,639 His last words get this were reported to be I'd 713 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,960 like to thank my family for loving me and taking 714 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,039 care of me. And the rest of the world can 715 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,840 kiss my ass. Well, Johnny Garrett, you can kiss my ass? 716 00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 4: How about that? 717 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 3: And we're going to go to New York for the 718 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,480 next one. And look, Halloween night trick or treat. Right 719 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,679 might get your house rolled, you might get it egged, whatever. 720 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,000 In this case, throwing eggs on Halloween night, which is 721 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:44,920 typically known as a harmless prank, but in nineteen ninety eight, 722 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,599 it turned deadly. A twenty one year old Bronx residence 723 00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:51,239 by the name of Carl Jackson and his girlfriend. They 724 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,559 go to pick up their son. 725 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,159 Speaker 4: From a party. 726 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 3: Teenagers throw eggs at the car and piss me off too. 727 00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,639 Jackson gets out of the car to yell at the pranksters. 728 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,119 In response, one of the teenagers pulls out a gun 729 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,239 and shoots Jackson through the head. 730 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 4: He dies instantly. 731 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,199 Speaker 3: Seventeen year old Curtis Stirling was charged with second degree 732 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,480 murder and criminal possession of firearm. He was convicted and 733 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,119 is serving twenty years in prison. He receives a card 734 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,760 in the mail every Halloween that reads, I'm glad you're 735 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,159 still there. Get this from Jackson's mother. That's pretty sweet. 736 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,119 Let me tell you about William Lesky. He killed his 737 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,920 family members on Halloween. In twenty ten, sixteen year old 738 00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:39,280 Devin Griffin. He comes home on Halloween to play video 739 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,760 game after attending church and spending the previous night sleeping out, 740 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,119 He noticed that his Michigan home was a little bit 741 00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,840 too quiet, so he goes to check on his family members. 742 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,000 Griffin proceeded to find his stepfather in bed covered in blood. 743 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,800 When police arrived, they found two more bodies, Griffin's mother 744 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,519 and Griffin's brother. At least eventually learned the murderer was 745 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,079 Griffin's stepbrother, William Lisky. Liskey beat his older stepbrother Derrick 746 00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:13,079 Griffin with a hammer, shot his father, William Lesky, five times, 747 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:17,960 and then sexually assaulted and shot his stepmother, Susan Liskey. 748 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,719 Liskey pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated murder to 749 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,760 avoid the death penalty, but was found dead in his 750 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,360 jail cell in twenty fifteen from a self inflicted wound, 751 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,679 and just quickly one more, a nineteen eighty one Halloween 752 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,559 night brutal killing that remains unsolved. Photographer Ronald Sisman and 753 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:46,280 Smith College student Elizabeth Plattsman were beaten in their Manhattan apartment. 754 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,800 This was in nineteen eighty one on Halloween Night. Before 755 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,519 being shot dead, the apartment was completely ransacked, but nothing 756 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,440 was missing, and to this day that remains unsolved. I 757 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:04,920 want to wish every single one of you a happy Halloween. 758 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,199 I hope you enjoyed this episode. Look for some big 759 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,800 time stuff to about to hit for Bloody Angola Podcast. 760 00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:19,159 Stick with us, it's gonna be good and until next time, 761 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,519 I'm Jim Chapman, your host of Bloody Angola, a podcast 762 00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,559 of one and forty two years in the making, the 763 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,559 complete story of America's bloodiest present. 764 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 4: Peace, a Wall. 765 00:47:48,840 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: Street line, shackle and change. It's calling my name, there 766 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:09,079 is no mercy and this being a tentery juice as 767 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:15,960 the hull string game Rangle three, I'm here. 768 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 2: For if I'm here to die. 769 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,760 Speaker 1: Inside these walls, inside the wild 770 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 2: And when theirs I know it's abody Angle, Obody Angle.