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Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. Welcome to

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Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. Is your host, Tim

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Link and I'm so glad you're joining us today. Got

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super fun, interesting training, dog mark Park show going on

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: We've got author Sylvie Savage coming on about her lace

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book Unleash How to Evolve from Dog Training to Dog Parenting.

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So I love that. I love that because we all

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consider ourselves dog parents. If you're from overseas, they roll

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their eyes when we say that. But here in good

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old USA and North America, we are to all dog parents.

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So we're gonna talk to Sylvie a little bit about

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the book, talk to her about what really makes a

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dog parent, so how do you go from training to

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actually parenting? And then of course we'll talk to her

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a little bit about her writing styles, how she goes

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about crafting her work. So it's gonna be a super

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fun show. We're gonna learn a lot. Everybody hang tight

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Speaker 4: Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to animal rights on pet Life Radio Join us.

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Now is author Sylvie Savage talk to her about her

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lacebook Unleash how to Evolve from Dog Training to Dog Parenting.

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Selby Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: H oh, thanks Tim, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: We're super excited to have you on board because I'm

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always interested about training techniques with our animals, how you

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communicate with them, how do you get them to do

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what you need them to do? But more importantly, how

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do we really form that deeper bond with them, How

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do we understand what their needs are not just ours,

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and how do we form that great relationship? And your

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book Unleash definitely covers that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I wrote the book because one of

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the issues that I was facing, or the challenges I

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was facing with families and people who love dogs, is

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that they were really struggling one to feel empowered because

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the ped industry is quite complex and if you don't

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do this, there's going to be a problem. Oh no,

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but if you don't do that, there's going to be

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a problem. And then we don't really identify with our

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values in how we want to parent our dogs. And

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so that's not even a question we ask ourselves. And

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we're bombarded with the societal expectation of dogs to behave

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and you should do this, and you should do that,

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but really no one asks the question what is behavior

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and can you train it? And so this is where

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I thought, you know, for me to uncover and define

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all my research and my experiences and my own personal

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experiences especially that really drove this. I thought, why don't

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I write a book so that I can really solidify

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this concept of not training, but self, individuality, respect, and

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equality with a dog. How do you do that? Because

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the whole world is about training your dog to behave

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the way they're supposed to. So there were like two

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issues I was having. Is giving the pet parents a

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perspective of themselves and what it is they embody, but

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also helping them to identify the individuality and the soul

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of their dog, and that's how this book came.

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Speaker 1: To be nice. I like that, you know, and you're

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absolutely correct. You know. I've worked with a lot of

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trainers and have a lot of trainers as friends, and

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it oftentimes comes down to two areas. You're either a

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pack leader type of training or you are the positive trainer.

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But rarely is it bridge together saying okay, whether I

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believe one route or the other is the best, which

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positively is always better for me. But that's a side note.

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How do you then blend that into your own personality

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with your animal? How do you blend their personality with you?

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How do you get them to understand your household and

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your lifestyle and everything and in return understand what their

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needs are Because you know, parenting, there's no you know,

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whether we were talking about dogs or kids, there's no

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definitive answers. Plenty of books, but there's no definitive answer

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on how to do that, and especially with dogs, there's

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very little out there that will guide us into saying, okay,

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you know, here's some thoughts and ideas about it, but

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at the end of the day, it is, you know,

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it's your parenting. So you have to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I did find that even if books

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give you direction about like the resources of why positive

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reinforcement is important, there was never really a book that

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personal potential dysregulation or awareness of what it is you're

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doing and why you're doing it and becoming one hundred

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percent responsible for that relationship. Because we're so used to

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our dogs behaving the way we want them to. And

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don't want them to misbehave, and so we discipline them

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of philosophy with dogs more so. And if you don't

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know your dog, and you don't know who they are

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and what their aspirations are and what they want for themselves,

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which is hard to do really because this is a

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completely different species, where does training fit in there? Like?

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you don't quite register the fact that you don't really

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know who your dog is? First things first?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you got to get to know your dog.

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even to this date, I've been working with animals for many,

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many moons, and oftentimes people will get a new dog,

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whether it's a puppy or rescue dog or just a

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dog in the household, and they assume the dog knows

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what to do and the dog will follow everything that

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they say. But when it comes down to it, it's

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really a matter of you understanding your dog and having

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them understand you and then come into some sort of

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a common way of having a great life together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because dogs are really motivated to understand us, so

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that's never going to be an issue. But are we

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so motivated to understand them so that we can actually

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help them have a fantastic stick life. And you know,

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my children and my upbringing, is that when an individual

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is actually heard and seen and understood, all this behavior

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that we're talking about, like bad behavior, it kind of

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like settles itself because that individual is able to be

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who they are and identify with what it is they love.

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in some weird, bizarre way that isn't appropriate. Dogs are

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very appropriate. They're extremely kind and gentle. They take our

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guidance very easily. But when it's forced upon them without

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any regard for who they are, it becomes a hindrance

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on their person, but also are their dog and dogs person,

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but also on your relationship. Yeah, so how do you

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parent a dog without training them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely? And then one of the things you talked

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about in your book is sort of the relationship not

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only with your animal, but then what are societal expectations?

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animal and have a great relationship at home, and I

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may take them out and think what I've done will

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fit into whatever all the other neighbors are doing, and

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then I find out, no, that's not the case. Or

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with the other neighbors when there's dogs around, because I

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don't know how they've trained them. I don't know if

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if you didn't give her attention. The other guy he

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got said if you did give him attention, And so

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we took them both to one of the local parks,

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not one of the dog parks, just a regular park,

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and of course we had them unleashed like you're supposed

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to do, you know, and you know that's the lall,

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that's the training. And a lady just lets her dog

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out of the car and a dog comes running up

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like crazy and we're like, whoa, stay stop. She's like, oh,

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you know, he's okay, you know, he's very friendly. I'm like,

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my other dog is not that friendly. And the lady's

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face turn start white, came running for a dog, trying

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to grab releash and everything, cause she just assumed what

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she thought was acceptable, that she had done the training,

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and her dog does great with people, that it would

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get along fine with every other personality or dog out there,

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and that's not the case.

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Speaker 2: Now. I think what we're talking about is really values.

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So we all have different values, and especially now in society,

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we're really witnessing what happens when there's a lack of

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respect within those values. Right, So what I mean by

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respect is knowing what it is that you believe in,

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but not feeling a need to force or change someone else,

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but just accepting that in working within that reality. And

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when it comes to dogs, like not many of us

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really know how to do that because it's such a like,

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like you said, this dog is running towards your dog,

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and like there's not like a control factor of like

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there's a fence or anything, which is why we all

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want to put leashes on our dogs. Not that I

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want to, but it's part of societal expectations. But also, like,

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understanding how to set boundaries with others is a very

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difficult thing in society right now too, because people get angry.

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boundaries for your dog, yourself and others. And knowing how

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to do that is such a big part of parenting,

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especially with all the social pressure of your doing it

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wrong or do it my way, or like the imposing

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that happens in societies remarkable, and you know, identifying with

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your values and then knowing how to set those boundaries

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respectfully is a really important part of my work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love the fact that you know, you

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really go into too detail, you know, real parallel for

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me for having kids in your life, you know, but

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also is really a parallel for relationships as well, because

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each person in the household has their own unique personality,

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their own way of going about doing things, their own

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unique characteristics. And if you're going to have a whether

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it's a dog riding the other animal in the household,

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you all have to understand that. And if you're not

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expecting your animals to understand that or you to understand

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what your animal's needs are, you can't have that nice

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flow within the household now.

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Speaker 2: And this is where sometimes people look to training to

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create that reality without actually identifying what you've just mentioned.

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Individuality and different likes and dislikes and all those types

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of things. So yeah, I think it's important to consider

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child psychology, especially young child psychology when we're looking at

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our dogs, because you know, dogs have the emotional and

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intelligence of a toddler. And so when you start to

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think about a toddler who's reacting to you because they're

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unhappy or they're hungry or who knows right, and you're

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then triggered, you just want them to stop acting that way. Well,

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you wouldn't impose that on them. You wouldn't be like,

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you know, get your act together and you know, you know,

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like you're bothering me right now. You would hopefully you

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would consider them before yourself. And when it comes to dogs,

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I think like there's these taboos like oh, you're not

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a dog parent, or that's so silly, or but it's not.

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These are sentient beings who rely on you one hundred percent.

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They're never going to move out, you know, just like

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our children. They didn't choose us, right, and we're responsible

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for that. And you know, I really do feel like

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the world is changing when it comes to dogs, Like

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I'm not the only one seeing these things, Like I

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know you've had other authors on your show seeing things

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like that, and it's such a wonderful experience to hear

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these things. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so when people pick up the book, unleash the

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feedback that you've been getting. Has it been oh, I

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thought this was just another dog training book, or while

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that's really got in sort of the psyche of my dog,

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which helped me better understand them, Or what's been some

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of the take on this new I would say it's

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a new approach, but it's your unique approach to all this.

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the understanding that's most important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like setting your perspective. I think what's been the

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most phenomenal thing I've heard that I keep hearing is

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I feel so validated. Oh nice. And I wrote the

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book wanting to validate and not to you know, push

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people away and make them feel good about themselves and

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the choices they make, even if it's mistakes. I mean,

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I share in the book the mistakes I've made, and

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there's plenty. And I'm so grateful that people say I

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feel so validated even though I'm saying things in the book.

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That's been one of the most rewarding because I know

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if they feel validated, they feel happy, and they're going

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to return the favor to their dogs because they understand

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the same way if they feel validated, right of course,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Animal Rights off pet Life Radio Tenure

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conversation with author human canine relationship specialist Love That and

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entrepreneur Sylvie Savage. Sylvie the book A Leash When people

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pick up a copy of the book and they read

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through it. Was there a message you were hoping to

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relay when you first wrote it? And then has that

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shifted or changed since the book's been out?

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Speaker 2: Oh geez. I think that it's been fairly accurate the

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responses based on what I wrote. I mean, I took

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three years to write it, and I also, you know,

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spent a decade like researching and thinking about different ways

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of being with our dogs. So I think ideally I

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just wanted people to feel a certain sense of self

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and identify that reality with their dogs, and then just

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find new ways of dealing with their dogs that isn't

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just direct to training. And you know, I think most

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people feel really empowered and good about the book after

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they've read it, you know, and I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. That's it. Well, I love that. And

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I always ask that question because you know, I want

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to know from the author, what the mess what makes

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you feel good? Is like I got it, thumbs up,

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palls up, I'm in good shape here. And then sometimes

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it does shift. You know, your message gets out there,

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but then people say stuff that you'll give you feedback

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that it's like I had no idea that that would

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have that kind of impact on them.

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for any feedback, quite frankly, because, like you know,

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when you're writing a book, you're writing it with the

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reader's perspective in mind, and sometimes it's hard to do

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that because you have your own ideas and you know,

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you're thinking about this twenty four to seven. And yeah,

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for me, like, it was really a nice process to

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do so that I can really clarify in like my

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fundamentals of what I believe in. But I didn't want

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to make it so that other people, if they believed

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in something different, they would be like offended or hurt

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or anything like that. I was super careful and very

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sensitive to that reality, just because, as I mentioned, like,

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the industry is so opposing already, and I didn't want

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anyone picking up the book and being like, well, what

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is this crap or whatever? Right, I just wanted people

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to feel good, no matter where they were at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did a great job with the book.

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I mean, the thing I love about so much of

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the book is the fact that the perspective, you know,

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it's a lot in what I believe in as well.

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I think e Chandle's unique and has their own personality,

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and it's up to us as their human companions, to

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best understand what their wants and needs are and then

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we can worry about getting them to understand what we

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need and to have a perfect householders close as possible

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to be in as previous a household. And I think

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you did a great job in the book that and

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you know, it gives you one more tool that's not

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just specifically training, it's how do you build that relationship

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. Yeah, one of the things

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that really helps me write the book is that I've

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had to have my own life sort of well together.

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issues as well. And you know, you go along in

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the world and you try to like do well and

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you live up to societal expectations so that you're successful

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and people think you're successful, and you know, as you

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start to get older, you start to realize, well, I

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don't know if I'm doing that well. And I had

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to learn a lot about communication and emotions and feelings.

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really learn about them in my own body, and so

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somatic therapy was a big part of my healing. And

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when you don't know what emotions feel like or what

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they are, like I literally had no sensation below my

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neck about emotions, was like, who needs that? Too many

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problems comes with emotions and feelings. And so because of that,

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I was really able to define a new perspective with

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dogs and how they feel. And so in the middle

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of the book and the second part of the book,

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are and what feelings are and how they actually feel

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in your body. Because of that, because I actually had

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to learn that, and if I had to learn it,

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so many other people probably need to learn it, or

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maybe even just have an idea of like what do

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you mean it's in the body like I had no idea,

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stress and like what does emotion mean and what does

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it look like? And so those parts of the book

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research and you know, I was going through therapy through

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part of the writing of my book, and I was,

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you know, learning a lot about myself. But it really

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all applies to my work, all of it. And so

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I'm happy that you said that because it's important to me.

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our animals have the same emotions and everything that we

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do and the challenges. We just have to help them

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better understand it and help realize that and have a

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great life with them. So I think it's a perfect thing.

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this book or just writing. Obviously, it has an ability

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to help you get your words on paper, it helps

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you release and learn all these things. But how did

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you go about crafting this because you said it took

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you three years. Obviously we got to put the gear

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of the book, we got to do some research, we

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got to do some sketches, we got to do some

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design work. But more importantly, how does that process work

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for you? Are you one of those that get up

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at five o'clock every morning and need and write for

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an hour or you hopefully not let me wait till

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the last minute and then get it out the door.

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spend time in the morning just doing nothing, just thinking

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about my purpose and my passion and just you know,

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spending some time with myself and what is it I'm

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doing and just refocusing on what is my purpose in

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life at this time, And with that, it would automatically

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get to a place where I wanted to write. I'd

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been thinking about it, and you know, sometimes it would

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take ten minutes, sometimes two hours, and I have the

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luxury of doing that most of the time, so I

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was very lucky that I could get up, have coffee

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and just ponder. And once I would get to that

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place where I have to work, I have to work now,

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I don't want to sit here anymore. I'm done with this.

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That's when I would start working. And it was usually

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three four days a week, and I would just write

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and write and write. And I did structure it originally,

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like I basically wrote everything down. I know everything I

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know about dogs and relationships and everything, and then I

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group them all and then I started picking chapters, like

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you know, like what chapters is going to go into?

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I wanted to share and then I just wrote. It

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writer is that I actually knew I was going to

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hire a structural editor, so it didn't matter if it

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wasn't great, because it wasn't going to go out. So

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I didn't have that pressure of perfection. I just had

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the passion of doing it. And once it went to

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my editor, I did nine drafts of that, like nine

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edits of that book until it got to the place

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it is now right, But like that was just my rhythm.

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I would just do what inspired me. And then if

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I got to places that were really hard where I

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was like, I don't even know what my name is,

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what am I? What am I doing? I would actually

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have this little thing where I would just try to

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get it through, like just get to the other side

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of the concept or the idea, even if it was crap,

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and then the next day when I would come back,

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it would make so much more sense. I'd be like, oh,

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I know what I'm trying to say, and then it

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would just flow so much easier. And that was kind

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of my process.

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Speaker 1: Nice I like that. I like that and ending. I

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mean that makes a lot of sense, truthfully. I mean

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your idea maybe was get it on paper, then get

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the editor and let them do it, because editing along

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the way is I've always found to be a challenge.

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And you know, a lot of times there's no right

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or wrong answer to this, but you oftentimes they say, well,

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don't even look at what you're typing, you know, put

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it all down, don't try to make autocorrects, don't try

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to edit along the way. And I find it impossible

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to begin with because even knowing that an editor is

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going to find mistakes big time, it doesn't matter. So

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I like the fact that you went when the epiphany

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hit you, when and when it hit you, you wrote,

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and you wrote for as long as you want to

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or could do, or until you got to the sticking point,

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and then you left it alone and then let the

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universe come back the next day and say okay, and

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you're like, oh, yeah, that's the answer, that's what I

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love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes it was two weeks too, It wasn't

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one day right. Sometimes sometimes it was like, ah, I'm

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really don't want to do this. So I think I

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just waited to feel inspired to do it instead of

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forcing it. And I think that that actual it's almost

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like a weird discipline. It's like you're training yourself to

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enjoy something that you know is difficult. So it's like

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a mind game in a way, you know. And it

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worked for me. And I love writing. This is my

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first book and I love it, like I write all

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the time now, like I'm launching a new book, like

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I love it so much.

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Speaker 1: Nice, nice, and it is great outlet, you know, And

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I love love the fact that, you know, I always

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say with writing, it doesn't really matter what you're writing.

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As long as you're writing. You know, you're putting your

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ideas thoughts. A big storytellers, so you know, I'm always

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putting stories out there, whether you like to hear them

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or not. And which reminds me. We apologized to the

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last house guest we had for dinner because I realized

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I dominated the whole conversation telling stories about my past.

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Oh my god, it happens as you get older.

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Speaker 2: It's never happened to me. Tim, I don't know what

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you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yes, goodness. Well, Selbe tell us a little

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bit about how people can find out more about the book.

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Unleash and what you've got going on, keep track of

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your writing and looking forward to the next book.

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Speaker 2: You can find everything on Sylvisavage dot com. My book

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is on Amazon and everywhere, like everywhere Amazon Ships is there,

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And I'm actually building an empowerment academy, Empowerment with the

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pa wo.

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Speaker 5: Nice Nice, and the whole academy is just going to

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be based on concepts from Unleash, but also there's just

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going to be a tremendous amount of work books.

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Speaker 2: And free PDFs and videos and things like that so

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that people can take little bite sized chunks of these

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concepts in ways in which we can get to know

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ourselves and our dogs better. So instead of make it

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one big lump some I'm going to be creating a

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whole bunch of little books that people can really just

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focus on one thing. So that's happening now, So that

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should be launching in the next month or so. But

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that's everything that you want to know is would be

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on my website Sylviesavage dot com.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, everybody definitely visit the website, keep track of that.

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It's gonna be a lot of fun for sure, and

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definitely pick up a copy of the book, It's Unleash

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How to Evolve from Dog Training to Dog Parenting from

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Sylvie Savage Selby. Thanks so much for coming on the show.

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We really appreciate it. I love the book, love what

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you've done with it, and I'll look forward to keeping

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track of all the other wonderful stuff you get going

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on amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Tim, I really enjoyed our time together.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well. We're coming to the end of the show today.

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