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welcome everyone back to the Pekanyona show. I got these

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two guys back here, Fierrismodad and Ron Dodson. It's September eleventh,

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twenty five, and I feel like there is like absolutely

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nothing to talk about most of the time.

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Speaker 2: Pete.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, obviously, about twenty four hours ago now news

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started coming out that Charlie Kirk was shot. Does anybody

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want to want to jump in either one?

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Speaker 3: Well, Charlie, Charlie, if you if you know, and Charlie

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was I tweeted about this. Charlie was not a right

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winger by especially as as we would define the term.

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He was a kind, uh and engaging conservative in the

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in the in the best sense, in the in the

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real American sense of trying to conserve a kind of

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a legacy of American Christian ideals, and was willing to

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talk and debate and do so in a kind way

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with all comers. And usually he was successful when his

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debates and and and talk, But even when he wasn't,

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even when somebody maybe got the upper hand on him,

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he was so dignified and kind and uh uh and

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you know, so this is a real to me, this

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is a real message. You know, who knows who ultimately

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was behind this, if it was a uh you know,

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trans zeal Or or something more even more nefarious. The

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what struck me as if they're willing to do this

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to Charlie Kirk, who was honestly a kind, family Christian man,

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what are they going to do to somebody who has honest,

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honestly wants to reconsider some of the precepts of liberalism.

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And uh so, in that way, it's meant to be chilling.

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I know both my daughters who live in Austin, Texas. Uh,

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I don't know if any I mean, you know, they're

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they're down there in school and Austin's a very liberal town,

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and they're scared. You know, Dad, you're kind of an

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outspoken guy, you know. And I told them, hey, you know,

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I don't think you have anything to worry about, but

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it's meant it's meant to frighten. This is what terrorism does.

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then my thoughts were just poor Erica. You know, they

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obviously a tight marriage with two you know, beautiful young

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lady and two neat kids who obviously.

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Speaker 2: Love their mom and dad.

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Speaker 3: Love their mom and dad. What a tragic story just

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from a personal level, and the fact that they were there,

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let me, when the.

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Speaker 2: Shooting happened, makes it makes it so much worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me challenge you there on something you said, Ron, Yeah,

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you said that somebody like you know, somebody who challenges liberalism.

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they're they're fighting for liberal ideals, like historic liberal ideals.

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liberalism or the natural tell us the end the goal

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of liberalism, which is radical egalitarianism and the destruction of

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metaphysics that uh and and and and this is my

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concern honestly across this the political spectrum is I think

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there has to be a metaphysical rooting in in in

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whatever you're doing. Good people you know, disagree with that,

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but but that I think. So that's what I mean

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I just mean that derivative that that pod at the

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end of the rainbow, in the sense all all puns

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intended uh for liberalism that you know, Charles my Charles

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you know that that ultimately it ends in neilism, and

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yesterday was a neolistic act. That so that's kind of

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very rehalistic act and that it was a terrorist act,

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to grave welfare. It won on immigration, it won on homosexuality,

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homosexual marriage, got transgenderism enshrined in law and most European countries.

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that the results of these victories are absolutely abysmal. Racial

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hatred has never been higher, with obviously the left and

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the minorities and the black community being responsible for a

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disproportionate amount of that racial hatred, and of the racial

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violence and of the religious violence. Multiculturalism mass immigration have

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proven to be completely disastrous. The tolerance of homosexuality didn't

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end with live and let live and everybody does whatever

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of trying to indoctrinate children and even trying to mutilate children.

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and they're slowly beginning to lose in procedural and legal needs.

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the debate on transgenderism. It turns out that the Supreme

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Prime Minister Tony Blair, said that no, a man is

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they can't have the same bathrooms, they can't have the

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same sports teams, et cetera, et cetera. So, now that

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they're beginning to lose, and now that they've reached the

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end of the line, they cannot moderate. And part of

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the reason that they cannot moderate is because of the

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ideologies of intersectionality and allyship. They need to maintain their

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coalition and they need to maintain it across the board

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because the implications of allyship and and intersectionality are that

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you know, we're all in this together, and we saw

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an example of it here in the United Kingdom. We're

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having the green communist lefties allying with the most radical

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Islamists and that immediately led to a conflict over you know, transgenderism,

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because the Muslims will never say that a man is

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in fact a woman. And the response from one of

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was to a to a Muslim MP, was that well

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if Muslim Pakistani MP was that, well, if you don't

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say that I'm a woman, then I will say that

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you're not really British. So in a sense, the web

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lies that they have is completely interdependent because of the

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way they think in terms of intersectionality and allyship, and

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the result of that is that they cannot compromise. So

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now that they're losing electorally and politically, the only means

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that they have is the one that they've always used,

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which is violence, and they cannot in fact calm down

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and compromise because, as they say to each other in

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their own internal fights, if you ditch me, I'll ditch you.

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And once that abandonment happens, the whole house of cards

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falls apart. So they're stuck escalating, or at least a

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big enough radical minority of them is stuck escalating. And

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by big enough, when you see some of the more

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horrific tweets about the murder of the Martyrdom indeed of

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Charlie Kirk, they're getting two hundred thousand likes, They're getting

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massive engagement numbers, massive support for staying these absolutely atrocious

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things because they're programmed that way. And the ones that

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are so severely programmed, I would describe them as demonic,

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because they're genuinely possessed by this ideology and they cannot

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compromise on it, and they can't win any further politically,

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and all of their political victories have turned the world

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into a much worse place. But they can't back down,

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and therefore they must escalate, and the only escalation pathway

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that they have now is more radical violence. So I

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in the UK calling for the next assassination, and you

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see it in the United States as well. People talk

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about killing Pat Walsh, people talking about killing Ben Shapiro,

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killing Trump, killing Vans, killing Teal, killing whoever, like they've

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got a list of names of people that they want debt,

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and so they they don't have another pathway if they

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want to remain politically relevant, and they will take that

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path of violence rather than give up power or compromise.

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Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned interestingly, you said, you know, they've

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they've kind of reached the wall of possible victory. I

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think they still have. I still think that there's the

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the the there's still one thing that they haven't completely

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won yet, and that's complete and total emancipation from unchosen bonds,

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of which gender is the most obvious gender and race.

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can change their That's why I think this is the

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tip of the spear. And it wouldn't surprise me if

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this was you know, if this was a Zelot, if

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the I agree with you, But I think that's that.

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to be fighting these battles way back over this direction,

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but that's the battle that's being fought. Is this total

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emancipation and and it does go back. Everybody says, oh,

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you know, maybe in some ways, but but but Marx

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an emancipation from the family and so and that's the

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seat of this reality. Uh and and so.

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to be the key fact or to emans to pay

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people from the family.

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Speaker 3: Oh tell me, Pete, I don't have my I don't

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have my marks in front of me.

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Speaker 1: Capitalism Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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of capital breaks all these bonds down. And that's kind

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of my argument on the I mean, we don't need

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to jump topics yet, but that's my argument I keep

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telling people on the tariff thing is, look, tariffs can

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be either employed or just economic borders. And just like

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physical borders, they can either be handled poorly, unwisely, or

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well and wisely. But you can't ignore the fact that

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they exist. But yeah, no, Capitalism as an ism as

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a totalizing system is a marx idea as opposed to

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free price discovery, which is a Christian idea of equal

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scales and measures of the ability to serve my neighbor

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by the work of my hands. That's Christian. And so

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has already been mentioned is the celebration of violence, and

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also not only the celebration of violence, but the celebration

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of death.

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Speaker 1: You really didn't see that in the Soviet Union. They

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tried to hide it. You know, arguments can be made

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that personally they celebrated it, but it with pretty much

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every person possible, every schizo and every ideologue having access

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to being able to put a sentence out into the

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public and have the possibility of sixty to seventy to

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eighty million people seeing it. I think it's it's easy

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think you know, Pharos is right. If you put out

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there celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, and yeah, I mean just

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the death of somebody unless they were like an absolute monster.

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to have a conversation with people and want to win

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their conversation. Sure, but I mean he was he was

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I mean the poster boy for liberalism, and they shot him.

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Speaker 2: So what do.

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Speaker 1: You people ask, oh, how did this group rise up?

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done a great job of pointing out that whenever you

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see right wing authoritarianism rise, it's because a left wing

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authoritarianism has already risen, and there's a response that needs

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Speaker 3: Well, John Locke would be considered. I mean, if you

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read Everybody Wants to Sit on you know, some of

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the things that we on the right have problems with,

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Tabula rossa, so on and so forth, kind of a

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regenerative revolution every every with every generation as a result

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of that. But but leave all that aside. The rest

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of Locke reads very right wing in the sense of

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there needs to be a commonality again, a metaphysical common

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common set of presuppositions that rule the public square. Otherwise

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all this breaks down, and so so the the tenets

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of classical liberalism, and again it all leads to this.

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So I I don't want to sound like a champion

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for class liberalism, because I think it has the seeds

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of its own destruction. But if you just read Locke,

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Locke would seem like an absolute, you know, right wing

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monster to these people because the presuppositions that he's working

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with are completely unacceptable, at least in my reading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the point that right wing authoritarianism rises

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in response to left wing violence or left wing authoritarianism

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should be emphasized more. And I think that we saw

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that with their reactions from the right to the Martyrdom

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of Kirk, which where to sort of try to paraphrase

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and summarize them. If you want to kill the classical

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liberal who's just there to debate you, that means you

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want to do much worse things to us. And if

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you're celebrating this murder, then there really is no point

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in any further conversation with you.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Arguably there was no point in further conversation from the

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time that the demonization started that if you were to

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say that different groups of people were genuinely different, that

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different nations distinctions should be preserved, that Christianity is the

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bedrock of Western morality, you would be described as a

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as a as a fascist, as a Nazi, as far right,

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as an extremist, et cetera, et cetera. This was the

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door to further debate being shut in our faces us

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of the right, and Charlie Kirk tried to reopen that

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door and to do and and did so in the

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most order it gentlemanly way possible, just by having conversations

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with the young people who were his age. I mean,

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he died when he was thirty one. He was a

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very young man, and their reaction was, Okay, we're going

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to kill you for this, and then we're going to

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celebrate your murder, and then we're going to speculate about

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who we must kill next. So this is why this

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moment has a different feel to it. It feels like

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something completely broke in the possibility of this being resolved

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through political discourse, and arguably there was never a way

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to politically resolve the difference with the transgender movement, or

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the Pride movement, or even with the standard good old Communists.

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There was never a way to peacefully resolve this. What's

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what my understanding of what you're saying about luck is

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is that unless you have a shared theological foundation, you

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can't really resolve differences peacefully, right because the value system

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that you're using to resolve disagreements is not the same.

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And therefore you end up in an Israel Palestine situation

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where you're completely talking past each other and you're demonizing

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each other endlessly.

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Speaker 3: This is why, Yeah, it's existential friends and enemies, yeah

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at this point, and it's it's conflicting ways of life exactly.

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Speaker 2: And this is why the Church was always so harsh

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on heresy, because it understood that if there wasn't a

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shared theological foundation, you're not going to have a single

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moral authority that allows us to resolve our differences peacefully. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and where and this is where. And everybody talks

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about the Inquisition and all that, and in America gets

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very anti Catholic. But but the Catholics, I think handled

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it very well because it was never about the secrets

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of your mind and heart. It was what you were

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willing to profess in the public square. It was the Puritans.

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And again these were you know, in a sense, my

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people as a Presbyterian, But it was the Puritans who

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wanted to make it about take it all the way

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to the secret of your heart and police to that level.

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And then that ultimately can't hold what what what you

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have to have is a is a commonality of the

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public square. Yes, and what goes on in a sense,

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I mean, think about the Torah, in the in the

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in the Old Testament, the Old Covenant. You never have

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you never have a record, a record of homosexual being stoned.

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Now do you think through out the history from Moses

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to the destruction of the Temple that there was never

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a homosexual in Israel? No? I think that's ludicrous. The

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issue was is that that that practice was driven so

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far underground, it was out of the public square. You're

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not You're never going to be able to to to uh.

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Jesus speaks of this, You can't, and Paul speaks of this.

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The law doesn't change the heart. The law doesn't justify,

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but but it does regulate public behavior. And that's what

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we're talking about here. And I think that, uh, this

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is why heresy as a public facing thing, the church

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in the Continental Church was so concerned about it, because

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we have have to have unanimity here. That's why Calvin

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in Geneva was so concerned with Miguel Saradas and allowed

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him to go to the stake, because the public square

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there has to be Hey, we're all playing by the

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same rules here exactly.

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Speaker 1: That goes for socratess too. Sorry, well, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely does, and that that's a whole nother that

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that'd be a fun talk, but yeah, absolutely, And what we.

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Speaker 2: Have with wokeness is fundamentally a Christian heresy. What we

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have with the far left is very much a Christian heresy.

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We have homophobia, racism, slavery, ancestral guilt replacing original sin.

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We have glorified particular victims replacing our Jesus Christ. Cancel

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culture is simply excommunication because you get canceled for blasphemy,

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you don't get canceled for sinned. So if you're an

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oil company and you say that I'm pro trance, then

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you're sort of forgiven even though you're sinning.

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Speaker 3: You have that's blood, that covers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have an eschatology in the in the climate crisis,

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very much so. And it's sort of patterned on Christianity.

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It's completely patterned on Christianity. Even transgenderism is a fundamental

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claim about the soul that look, it's not my appearance

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that matters. There's an inner self, except it's it's sort

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of a perverted version of a soul. So that means

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that as they stick more close lead to this heresy,

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even in the fact, in the face of the of

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the reality of it having failed at every level, they

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will defend it with violence because it's a it's a

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it's a quasi religious belief system. These people must be

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seen not as debating partners but as fanatics. And with fanatics,

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you can't discuss it with them openly if they believe

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that they have a pathway to political power, or if

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they believe that there is political power that they must guard.

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And that's what they're telling us with the murder of

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Charlie Kirk and with the celebration of that murder, that's

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the message that they're sending to us.

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Speaker 1: Escape classic scapegoat too.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely like a you know, if we can this

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one is out there if it is a transhooter. Now

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we're saying, but you know, we can we can point

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to the shooting at the Catholic church in Minneapolis too

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as this if.

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Speaker 3: Nashville, Yeah, in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: The this trans ideology has basically taking taken on a

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a religion of its own. And every religion has to

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have if you're going to have a to me in

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the West, if you're going to have a legitimate religion,

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you have to have a scapegoat. And scapegoating is it's

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their version killing someone like Charlie, who's who was so

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so outspoken against you know, basically what is mutilation and

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turning people into eunuchs. Yeah, if you if you believe

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you can put him down, if you believe you can

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sacrifice him, maybe it takes away some of your sins.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's anti it's so anti human. But because it

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removes the ability to produce life, yes, and and that's

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a it's truly Antichrist. And uh what I mean by

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that is I was just interacting with Dugan on my

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I've got a peace coming out an American reformer about this.

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But but uh so in in the New Testament, this

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term Antichrist is only used by the Apostle John, and

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he says that anyone who denies that Jesus came in

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the flesh is Antichrist. And then he he frames it

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a couple of other ways. But the point there is

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is that the one of the huge points of the

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of the of the New Covenant is uh. And I

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don't want to get turned this into a Bible study,

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but but I think it's hugely important here the again,

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the metaphysics of it Old Covenant. The Apostle Paul says

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the law was administrated by the angelic realm. He calls

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it the stoy kaa, this cool Greek term that means

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elemental powers or elemental principles and that and this angelic realm, sun,

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moon and stars, that kind of thing. And one of

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the themes of the New Testament is this is with

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Christ as the first fruits man, mankind is taking over

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that role. That's kind of the point of the scene

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in Revelation with the elders getting up from their twenty

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four thrones and casting the crowns, and then a new

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set sits down. Those are men who now with Christ

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as a man, rule over the over the earth a

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waiting for Christ's return, and anti Christ. John is making

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the point is in denying that Jesus came in the flesh,

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it's denying the continue it's denying that mankind, that humans

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are to have taken over this this old covenant role.

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That in the New Covenant we have this new creation

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that's by man, that we now set the calendar. We

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now decide who the rulers are we now and that

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and that hopefully is under under Christ tutelage and and

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with wisdom, and and so on and so forth. But

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these all these this this trans uh movement and these

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movements of the radical left really are anti Christ because

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they are anti incarnational. There they are denying this wise

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incarnational rule and our perversion of it. And and uh,

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I think that is I think it all gets back

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to uh theology. For me, I'm i'm i'm I'm a

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consistent Schmidtian here. I believe that political theology isn't prescriptive.

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It's descriptive of of of every situation that we're all little, uh,

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you know, theocrats in a sense, we all follow our

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understanding of who God is and how He's communicated with us.

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And for these and for these champions of this ideology,

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it's it's anti Christ and demonic. And I don't mean

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that too in a cheap way of saying there's a

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demon under every rock and all this kind of thing. No,

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I mean this in a very serious intellectual way that

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you either believe that in Christ Man has been set

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to to wisely rule the world, or you believe that

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we're under this old pagan.

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Speaker 2: Did we lose wrong?

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Speaker 1: Ron froze up on us ephairis you want to pick

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up on anything there?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's absolutely right in that the the

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denial of the fact that we are in God's image

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allows the left to go to all of these extremes

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that it regularly goes to, those extremes of perversity, the

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center of pride, transgenderism, and also equally political violence. The

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fact that these guys are first and foremost, I think

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Georgian Peterson got it absolutely right. They are angry at

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God for creation. That's absolutely right. Whatever else you want

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to say about Peterson, he got a lot of things

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absolutely right in terms of understanding the left and the

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drivers of the left. And so because these people insist

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that essentially they are their own God, that they set morality,

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that they decide whether or not they're men or women,

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that they could change their minds about this from one

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day to the other, like within the whole trans thing,

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all of the they THEMS insists that they are gray

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gender or no that gender or whatever it is, which

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which I looked it up, unfortunately, and all it means

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is that their gender changes over time whenever they feel

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they feel like it.

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Speaker 3: So nova in the sense of new is that, yeah, yeah,

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kind of kind of.

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Speaker 2: And so their understanding of it is that, look, I

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I am the ruler of my own destiny and everything,

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and I decide everything about myself. But I can't get

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myself to stop smoking weed or stop being violent or

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to sort of people like for two seconds. But that's

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okay because I'm allowed.

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Speaker 3: Voluntary slavery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, voluntary slavery to to to sin. That's

475
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that's all there is to it. And I'm they're telling

476
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,920
us that they don't want to reason with us. They're

477
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,240
telling us that they want they don't want to discuss

478
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,559
things with us. They are telling us that conversations with

479
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them are absolutely pointless and that they will resort to violence.

480
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,519
The other day, a couple of years ago, I went

481
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to some protest against sort of drag Queen Story Hour

482
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,039
for children, which was the thing that was happening here

483
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:23,920
as well. And this very nice Christian preacher comes up

484
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,280
and he tries to say a few words, and you

485
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,000
see these people with umbrellas and masks trying to make

486
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,239
sure that he doesn't get a word in edgewise that

487
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,079
nobody can hear it, and they just sort of scream

488
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:43,079
at him and stand in his face and go absolutely crazy. Well, okay,

489
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,079
if this is what it is, and you're willing to

490
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,840
go further, when when you can get away with it

491
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,559
like that's the that's the end of political life. That's

492
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:03,079
when politics turns to violence. And yes, political power does

493
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,000
come from the barrel of a gun in that sense.

494
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,480
But you've decided that you're not willing to let the

495
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:17,480
issue be debated, and you've decided that just because this

496
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:24,000
classical liberal out debated you, you're going to murder him,

497
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:29,280
and you've decided that you're going to celebrate it. Well,

498
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,960
message received, I guess. I mean, I hope that the

499
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:39,199
people within that coalition who are slightly more mature, who

500
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,679
are slightly more intelligent, I saw Chenk actually chank Oiger,

501
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,599
however you pronounce his name. He took a pretty good

502
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,039
position on this. He took a pretty good position on

503
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,000
this in terms of condemning the murder, in terms of

504
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,119
saying absolutely not, in terms of and you could see

505
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:59,360
that he wasn't just reciting the words like with Gavin

506
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,480
Uson and with Camel and with Obama. You could see

507
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,800
that these people just sort of reciting the magic words

508
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,800
because they want to be perceived as responsible. But he

509
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,320
took a pretty principal stance. Leftists, if you don't want

510
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,280
us to conclude that the only response you're willing to

511
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,360
or the only dialogue you're willing to have, is one

512
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:29,320
involving violence, then you need to show a bit of humanity.

513
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,800
You need to stop speaking in this mealy mouthed way

514
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:40,320
when you instigate this, demonize people to get them killed,

515
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,519
encourage the violence. You lead these people down the garden

516
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,199
path up until the last moment, and then you say no, no,

517
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,079
it wasn't us. You've got to stop doing that, guys,

518
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,719
otherwise the conclusions that we're drawing will become conclusions that

519
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,840
we have to act upon. And really, the only guy

520
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,000
who can make sure that this is handled peacefully. Is Trump.

521
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,519
He's got to go after these networks. He's got to

522
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:13,159
sort of there's no point in having Bungino and Patel

523
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,559
in the FBI. If you're not going to get the

524
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,159
FBI to go after them, them and their financiers and

525
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,280
all of these other others. You've got to sue them

526
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,360
for seditious conspiracy. You've got to sort of rico them.

527
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:33,800
You've got to move against the Pritzkers, the Bill Gates, Bloomberg, Buffet,

528
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,920
these guys who are very busy financing these groups. They've

529
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,599
got to they've got to feel afraid, afraid enough to stop.

530
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:50,760
Because the next steps from this can't be taken within

531
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,320
the confines of the American Constitution. The next steps are

532
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,880
going to involve, if this is how it plays out,

533
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
plays out violently, you're going to have to start to

534
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,719
go back to room and prescriptions where you say that

535
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,239
this person's assets is forfeit, and whoever season must do

536
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,360
him harm, that this is an enemy of the state. Sorry,

537
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,760
you've bleeded yourself.

538
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: From dots in your dots and you're muted.

539
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was typing out, I was typing out notes

540
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,719
and so I muted my so I didn't click on

541
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,280
the pot. No, you're exactly right about prescription. And and

542
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,320
that's why Caesar says, I'm going to end prescription because

543
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,480
we're going to be all allied under the same we're

544
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,360
all going to be rowing the boat in the same direction.

545
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,719
I'm going to make sure we're rowing the boat in

546
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,519
the same direction, and therefore we don't need prescription. That

547
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,719
is Uh, it's one of the keys of why we

548
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,800
all need in our in civics class, we need to

549
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,880
be studying the move from republic, you know, early republic

550
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,039
to late Republic to empire, because people already went down

551
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:06,800
this road, you know, and and one of the reasons

552
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,000
for it was they were importing a huge number, you know,

553
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,199
a slave class in order to keep GDP up in

554
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,360
a sense, I mean part of this, and and fighting

555
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,480
battles on the frontier, and and uh, anyway, I know

556
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:24,719
you guys all know that. But it's it's it's it's

557
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,039
just I wanted to clap and applaud you for bringing

558
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,239
this up because it's not some esoteric piece of history.

559
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,519
It's hugely applicable to today. And as a response, this is

560
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,800
one of the reasons Washington was such a huge fan

561
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,239
of Cincinnatis in the in kind of the middle Middle

562
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,360
Republic period. Who you know, in case some of your

563
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:54,159
I'm sure most of your watchers listeners know, but to

564
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:58,199
remind us, here's a guy who was twice called off

565
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:03,320
his farm to help and was and was made dictator

566
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,400
over over the Republic in order to solve an existential

567
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,920
crisis two times. And he went back to his farm

568
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,760
each time. And Washington said, yeah, sometimes it takes that

569
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,079
to fix things.

570
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

571
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: Uh, but temporarily and because as a service to the

572
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to the to the Republic. And then hey, I'm I'm

573
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,119
going back to the farm. You know, you'll call me

574
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,119
if you need me. Uh. And then things eventually got untenable,

575
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but absolutely fantastic point.

576
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: For us, just sort of to to to briefly build

577
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:45,679
on that. They keep calling Trump a dictator when everything

578
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,039
that he's doing is a continuation of a trend that

579
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,960
started with Bush and Obama in the use of executive

580
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:56,119
orders to sort of impose the president's will, and when

581
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:00,320
everything that he's doing in terms of controlling the the

582
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,559
administrative state is well within his rights within the constitution.

583
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,559
What they're doing with their extremism, is willing into being

584
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:19,119
the nightmare Trump that exists so far only in their imagination,

585
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,599
or perhaps the nightmare successor to Trump, who exists only

586
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:31,719
in their imagination. And they can't see that their shrillness

587
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:39,000
and their extremism and their hostility and their violence don't

588
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,800
leave many other options. I mean, if you look at

589
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,239
what somebody like Norm Eisen has been doing for the

590
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,800
last ten years. This guy is a specialist in color revolutions,

591
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960
and he was on record on time saying that, yeah,

592
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,159
we prepared a color revolution in twenty twenty in case

593
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:01,119
we didn't get the ballot. It counts to sort of

594
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:06,519
reach the numbers that we wanted. And since then he's

595
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:11,719
been continuing on this massive campaign of lawfare to paralyze

596
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:17,480
the president at every step, through every possible method, and

597
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,880
a lot of the judiciary has been compliant. Now, fortunately

598
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,320
thanks to Mitch McConnell, the Supreme Court looks the way

599
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,199
it does right now. But you can imagine that if

600
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,559
it didn't, we would have the Americans would have no

601
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:41,760
choice other than to take extra constitutional measures and to

602
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,039
shut down a bunch of judges and to arrest a

603
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:51,039
bunch of judges in order to restore order. What they're

604
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:57,239
willing into being is the nightmarish right wing authoritarianism that

605
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,000
only exists so far in their imagination. And then you

606
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:07,320
see their reactions to the murder of that Ukrainian refugee,

607
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,639
Irena I can never pronounce your last name in North Carolina.

608
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,599
The way that they hit the murder, the way that

609
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,119
they tried their best not to cover it, the number

610
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,960
of articles about her versus the number of articles about

611
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,039
George Floyd or trayvon Martin or who whoever else of

612
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:36,480
their thuggish martyrs, And you see the way in which

613
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,760
they insist on refusing to have a reasonable conversation about crime,

614
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,360
and the way that they try to impose on the

615
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,800
public a life of fear. I mean, when you look

616
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,519
at the footage of that murder, you know, the murderer,

617
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:59,119
the carlis brown. He's just sitting there, calmly, there's nothing

618
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:02,920
threatening about him. She sits in front of him. He

619
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,079
pulls out a knife, stabs her in the next three

620
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,880
times and says, I call that white girl.

621
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: And they tried after how many arrests fourteen.

622
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, from fourteen arrests. And if you look at pictures

623
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,920
of the whole chain of command of the judiciary. There,

624
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:25,199
it's sort of all fat black women.

625
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,119
Speaker 1: People who look like Charles will look like the perpetrator.

626
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that this is deliberate. You know

627
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,559
that this is sort of their version of racial justice,

628
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,159
that because the whites got away with slavery for one

629
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:46,360
hundred and fifty years, we're going to pay them back,

630
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,440
as if slavery was some kind of historic aberration.

631
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: As if it wasn't happened, We're going to kill the Ukraine.

632
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: It wasn't still happening in Africa, right, And so you

633
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,960
you've reached that point with the left where what they're

634
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,360
trying to impose on society is so absolutely insane, but

635
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,360
they're so committed to it, and then you have to

636
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,440
ask yourself, well, okay, Luckily, in the United States, Trump

637
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,480
on a second term and he has a majority in

638
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:26,119
both houses, although Congress is completely sitting on their hands

639
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:32,320
doing nothing, and he has a supportive Supreme Court. But

640
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,559
just a couple of small changes in that would have

641
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,719
meant that the United States would be already in civil war,

642
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:45,079
that the United States would already be so ungovernable as

643
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,639
to require extra constitutional measures, emergency measures intended to put

644
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:57,760
down these lunatics. And they're doing the same thing all

645
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:04,440
over the West. It's coordinated. We see it here in Britain.

646
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,039
What's happening here in terms of petty crime, especially petty

647
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:12,199
crime by or pretty severe crime as well, you know,

648
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:18,679
violent crime, rapes by immigrants, not just by the Pakistani

649
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,679
community but also by the new boat arrivals. The way

650
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:30,440
that the demographics are changing so rapidly, and what is

651
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,920
the reaction from the left. The reaction from the left.

652
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:38,480
We have three four left wing parties here, the Liberal Democrats, Labor,

653
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,559
Jeremy Corbyn's outfit, and the Greens, and all of them

654
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,599
are following the same playbook, which is to go more

655
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:54,360
extreme on economic communism, more extreme on cultural Marxism, and

656
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:59,320
try to rally the Muslim vote to their side. And

657
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,400
that last part is genuinely treasonous. And they haven't learned

658
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,920
anything from the Islamic Revolution in Iran. They've learned nothing

659
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,719
from it. The Islamic Revolution, there was this alliance between

660
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,159
the Reds and the Blacks, the Reds being the communists,

661
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:19,800
the Blacks being the turbine clerics. And when Komeni one

662
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,559
he just murdered all of the reds all of them,

663
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:31,400
put them in jail, hungable. But they refuse to learn,

664
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,280
and they refuse to show any kind of respect for

665
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:42,400
or solidarity with their own people. And that's a constantly

666
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,639
repeated theme. You see all of these congressmen, senators, et

667
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,119
cetera going crazy over this Albergo whatever his name is.

668
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:58,480
M he's a human trafficker and then a thirteen gangster,

669
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,920
a criminal, and you're going to visit him in Al Salvador,

670
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,559
and you're suing to make sure that he gets to

671
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:13,239
come back to the United States. Like why. They don't

672
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:13,920
see this as.

673
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: Why and d.

674
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: But that's the only objective way of describing it. You're

675
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,039
siding with external enemies, you're siding with criminals who want

676
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,679
to hurt your own people, and you're pretending to be

677
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,800
righteous about it.

678
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: Here's something, Yeah, here's something I said last night. There

679
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,800
was I guess Lauren Bobert yesterday in the House Chambers

680
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,719
tried to have a moment of silence, and the Democrats

681
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,559
you could hear them protesting, no, no, no, We're not

682
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:48,119
going to do this.

683
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: And apparently one of the new grifty kind of GOP

685
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,800
people is like you, you're responsible for this, and people

686
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,079
were saying, you know, look a look at the way

687
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:06,119
these democrats are acting. And I'm not unconvinced that we're

688
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,480
at the point where Spain was in nineteen thirty six,

689
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,280
where the politicians were just as scared as the people

690
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,639
on the streets, as you know, probably Charlie Kirk should

691
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,960
have been. I mean, I don't think you know, we

692
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:26,000
talk about these these shadowy figures, these you know, the

693
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,760
the Eysens and the Soroses, and you see Charlie Kirk

694
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,280
get shot, and I mean I think he was wearing

695
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,480
body armor at the time. I don't know that that

696
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:39,719
hasn't been confirmed, so they had to avoid the body armor.

697
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,000
But these are people who like to go out in public.

698
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,880
These are people who like to go to the finest restaurants.

699
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,079
These are the people who don't want to have secret

700
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,440
service with them all the time. I'm not unconvinced that

701
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:58,800
these people do not are You can't say out of

702
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,400
one side of your mouth people aren't in charge, they're

703
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,760
bought and paid for, and that at the other side

704
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,840
of your mouth be like, oh, they're doing this because

705
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:11,920
they're ideal. I think it's just lost now. I think

706
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,440
it's like the Cortes, you know, the remnants of the

707
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,119
Cortes in nineteen thirty six, where these are just politicians

708
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:23,039
who are who are voting however which way they want,

709
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,840
because they know that there are anarchists and communists out

710
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,119
there that will just kill them in the street as

711
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,320
soon as they walk walk out the door.

712
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they should be afraid of their own

713
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:41,679
side because, in comparison to left wing violence, right wing

714
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,639
violence is very rare, and it's not particularly well targeted.

715
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:49,079
It's not particularly intelligent, and I worry that it might

716
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:52,320
become that, and I sincerely hope that it doesn't. I'm

717
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,199
from Levadon. I don't want you guys to go through

718
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,760
a civil war. I really don't wish that for you.

719
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:04,840
I hope it gets RESI within the law, but at the.

720
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,039
Speaker 3: Same we don't want to go off script it gets weird.

721
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't think we'll have a civil

722
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,239
war here again. I think basically more of what you'll

723
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,440
have is it'll probably be like multiple locations around the

724
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,239
country like Italy's Years of Lead.

725
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:28,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is but sort of Northern Ireland situation

726
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,559
sort of Northern Ireland situation in the seventies.

727
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so Fara's does do you think the UK

728
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:42,960
or the US leads in where does the conflict happen first?

729
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:44,679
Because Franz.

730
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:51,639
Speaker 2: I think quite possibly, Franz, if they don't fix themselves. Look,

731
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,119
here's how I would because in France you have the

732
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:56,599
same thing. You have the left allying with the Islamists

733
00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:00,679
just to keep just to make sure that they make

734
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,679
zero concessions on their extremism. And you have a much

735
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,280
bigger Muslim population in France, and you have Marseille, which

736
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,800
is more or less a conquered city with a point.

737
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah it's Algiers, right.

738
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so where this is basically just to

739
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,760
go back to the point about Congress, it was the

740
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,800
same exact thing in the European Parliament. In the European

741
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,840
Parliament they tried to have a moment of silence for

742
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Charlie Kirk and the President of the European Parliament would

743
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,840
have none of it. And if you think about it

744
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,000
for a moment, the Christian thing to do for a

745
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,320
man who was on his way to the gallows was

746
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,480
to pray for him and to pray that this punishment

747
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:52,800
would redeem him and shorten his time in purgatory if

748
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,440
he were truly penitent for his crimes, whereas these guys

749
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:01,880
aren't willing to have a moment of respect, let alone

750
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,880
prayer for someone who was, in a very real way

751
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,960
one of their own, or at least their parents in

752
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,639
the sixties would have recognized as one of their own,

753
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,199
as a sort of classical liberal. So you see the

754
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,800
extent of extremism that is coming out of the left,

755
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,199
and I think we on the right we need to

756
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,800
label this properly as fanaticism and extremism. I mean, when

757
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,840
you're a communist allied with literal Gihardes, you've lost your

758
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:44,159
damn mind. You are so fanatical in your hatred for

759
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:50,639
your own people that you would prefer a different religious

760
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:56,079
tradition who will make you submit and be permanently humiliated,

761
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,199
rather than actually side with your own own. Very briefly,

762
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,000
it's treasonous fanaticism, and that's what it should be understood as.

763
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:12,840
This is what it should be understood as, and it's

764
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,199
the same playbook. In Germany they construct this car doos

765
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:25,639
Nitel basically quarantined around the AfD, which is the right

766
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,119
wing party that Musk has been championing, which is now

767
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,880
polling as the which is now the highest polling party.

768
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: It led upper thirty percent, right thirty eight, thirty nine percent.

769
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: Something like that, and it's led by a lesbian woman

770
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:43,800
partnered with a Sri Lankan woman. And they call that nazi.

771
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,199
They call that fashism. Like, guys, do you understand the

772
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,679
terms that you're using. This is about as liberalith gets.

773
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, then no, they don't understand.

774
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,159
Speaker 2: And all they're asking for is somewhat less migration and

775
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,239
slightly better a management. They're not asking for anything radical.

776
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,039
And that's why I keep going back to the point

777
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,800
that they are willing into being the night mayors of

778
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:14,760
their imagination, rather than mildly compromising with these people, as

779
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:18,880
the Danes did to their credit, like the Social Democrats

780
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,960
in Denmark decided, you don't want migration anymore. Okay, fine,

781
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:25,920
we're going to restrict it. The Swedes now they have

782
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:31,880
negative migration, they're slowly getting people out. But in the

783
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,480
Anglosphere and in France, the extent of extremism is so

784
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:45,079
high that they're not leaving political or legal options. And

785
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:48,039
this is deliberate and this is a conscious choice on

786
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:53,679
their part. So I don't see, like if they don't

787
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,840
back down a little bit, if they don't throw us

788
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,480
a bone here and there. Here they called Nigel Faraj

789
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,920
far right. The chairman of the Reform Party is a

790
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,480
Sri Lankan Muslim. That's that's that's the British far right

791
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:16,159
really like honestly, m hm in in what sense? Right?

792
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know what. There's a couple of pretty

793
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:27,599
interesting underground, anonymous internet magazines over there that are pretty

794
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:34,079
interesting to read on all this. Uh uh but uh yeah.

795
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,599
The UK thing is, I don't know as much about

796
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:41,440
the French deal because I just don't have much faith

797
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,960
in them fixing it once they you know, I really

798
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:53,000
liked uh what was his name, the the.

799
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,559
Speaker 2: Jewish, the Jewish uhah Zamur.

800
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: I thought it kind of was at least an opportunity

801
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,679
to kind of thread a little bit of a needle

802
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,039
and push the But but you know they weren't going

803
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:08,559
to have that.

804
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,119
Speaker 2: No.

805
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:14,639
Speaker 3: But but you know, talking about extremism, you know, Gavin

806
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,480
Newsom the other day when the when the shooting happened

807
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,280
with the kids at mass you know, he he mocked,

808
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:24,559
he mocked, them for the prey. Yep, so we're at

809
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,559
a we're at a real untenable point here, and uh,

810
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,079
it does again, I think, I think you're exactly right.

811
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:39,400
These they're they're they're they're doing a good job of

812
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:45,159
creating their nightmare, of instantiating what they what they fear,

813
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:51,920
because eventually this is it's got to lead to some

814
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,760
kind of conflict, you know, And and I don't know,

815
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:59,039
it's a it's a scary thought because, as Eric Prince says,

816
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,960
look when things go off script, it's very even if

817
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:09,039
the outcome is what you think you want, it get

818
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:14,000
the the process, you know, there's so much collateral damage,

819
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:18,280
you know, innocent people die, and so that's a.

820
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:21,039
Speaker 2: But if it.

821
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 3: Doesn't get fixed in the in the interim, that's that's

822
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,239
where we're headed, you know, the UK is is I

823
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,039
don't know if you had a chance to read Christopher

824
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:34,440
Caldwell had a really really good piece in uh in

825
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:40,079
Claremont Review of Books about Golly. What's the title of it.

826
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,960
Maybe we can put it in the in the show notes,

827
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,599
but it's you know, Calwell's not a you know, some

828
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,960
kind of Callwell's a very It's called Land's End. But

829
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:54,800
he he talks about what what's going to happen in

830
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,159
the UK. It's not like the populace is armed, but

831
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,239
but but armor. You know, was the leader of this

832
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,199
movement to reduce the voting age, which is insane. But

833
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:09,880
he goes, he says, that's going to backfire because you

834
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,280
know so and I love that's my people. You know,

835
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,360
I'm I'm English by heritage. My ancestors came over in

836
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:25,599
the eighteen fifties from Southampton. So I for nothing other

837
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:29,480
than just a romantic interest in my heritage. I want

838
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:33,239
England to do I love, you know, I honeymooned in London.

839
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,719
I love England. I follow Arsenal, you know, go Gunners.

840
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:43,480
I want I want England to be English. Yes, but

841
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:47,119
I thought it was pretty funny, Caldwell says in that article,

842
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,920
he says, you know, somebody, somebody wrote, if Japan is

843
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:58,360
so great where it's Pakistani vape shops, that's bru, that's sums.

844
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: I love.

845
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:02,159
Speaker 1: I have an episode coming out tonight with an American

846
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,599
who's been living in Japan for seventeen years, and he'll

847
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:10,480
tell you where the uh that these vape shops do exist.

848
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,360
They may not be Pakistani, But I forget which, uh,

849
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,079
which ethnic group he talked about. How you know there's

850
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:20,039
one neighborhood now in that's right outside of Tokyo that

851
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:25,440
people avoid yep, yeah, gen.

852
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,599
Speaker 2: Chompioning in for Japan. By the way, you wouldn't be surprised.

853
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:33,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well what we covered, we we cover that too, Okay.

854
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:38,119
Speaker 3: They the the the the Kynesian idea is that that

855
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,800
it's it's really post Knesian. But is that that's the

856
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,519
answer to every every economic problem? Is you just you

857
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:49,599
you create, you import your own demand right to to

858
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:55,039
to fix the issue. And it's so short sighted. Uh,

859
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,960
you know, I just read I wasn't aware of this

860
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,559
secret move in the UK to import all these Afghanis

861
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,599
who supposedly were helping in the uh you know what

862
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:08,559
I'm talking about, right for for us?

863
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

864
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,599
Speaker 3: They kept tried to keep it secret and now it's

865
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:16,079
busted out. It's all over the kind of the anonymous

866
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:20,599
internet in uh in the UK, and you know, and

867
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,079
they kind of they kind of set the bar for crime. Evidently,

868
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,400
the imported Afghani population, they're.

869
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: Most likely to be involved in rape. They are natural gangsters. Frankly,

870
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:39,480
mm hmm. It's a completely uncivilized population and it must

871
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:44,199
be described as such. And it's reached a point really

872
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:48,039
where like a visit to the playground has become a

873
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,800
bit of a radicalizing experience for me, because you see

874
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,519
all of these new faces that have just shown up

875
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,400
in the last few months, a couple of years, et cetera,

876
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:08,320
and they have of zero conception of how to behave right,

877
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:15,119
and it's getting worse at a pace that is just

878
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:21,000
difficult to describe. I go to a town every week

879
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:24,360
where the Lotus Eater studio is and sort of do

880
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:30,639
my shows there. The cab rank outside the station, there's

881
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:36,239
not a single Englishman in it. There's forty cabs, fifty cabs,

882
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:43,239
not a single Englishman. And their behavior is increasingly foreign

883
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:50,280
in a way that is abrasive. And you see, you know,

884
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:56,559
young men loitering about everywhere and they're not British, and

885
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,880
they're being paid for by the taxpayer. And now they're

886
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,079
being taken out of hotels, some of them living in

887
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:08,599
four star hotels and complaining, and they're being put in

888
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:13,079
residential properties as a way of dispersing them. And that

889
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:16,559
makes it even more of a national security threat because

890
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:21,559
if they are at least in somewhat managed locations, you

891
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,880
can contain them. But if they're just dispersed among the population,

892
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,679
you have zero ability to control them and to control

893
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:35,800
their behavior. And so what they are creating here is

894
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:42,039
something that is extremely unstable, and they're making the taxpayer

895
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:46,760
foot to the bill at a time when Britain has

896
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,719
a debt to GDP ratio of one hundred percent and

897
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:57,119
a budget deficit of five percent in peace time. In

898
01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:02,079
peace time, the number of illegal migrants that are being

899
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:07,239
hosted by Britain at the taxpayer's expense is now larger

900
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:15,199
than the army of the United Kingdom. That is simply insane.

901
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:21,880
And it's coming to a towards a perfect crisis because,

902
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:27,280
as you know, Ron, the the guilt yields, the sort

903
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,039
of yield on British long term debt are at historic highs.

904
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a real problem. This is a real

905
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:37,400
This is a real, very real problem.

906
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,719
Speaker 2: There is talk a mainstream media about the possibility of

907
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,280
Britain needing the IMF again, but the IMF cabriage bail

908
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,880
out Britain. There is not enough money in the IMF,

909
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,480
and the French are in a worse position. They have

910
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:58,079
one hundred and fourteen percent debt to GDP ratio, they

911
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:02,000
have a six percent budget deficit, and the yields on

912
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:05,119
their long term debt are higher than those of Greece

913
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:10,599
and Italy. So the market is saying that the French

914
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:14,599
are managing their economy worse than the Greeks and the Italians,

915
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:21,679
which is in and of itself an achievement. And they're

916
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:27,599
not backing down and they are not relenting. So and

917
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,440
you're seeing in Britain and in France rising waves of unrest.

918
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,519
Yesterday Paris was burning. Nobody paid attention to it because

919
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:39,880
of the of the Katla strike the day before and

920
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,639
of the Curt murder, but France was burning. There were

921
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,960
riots all over the place. And on the eighteenth of

922
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,280
September they are set to have major strikes. And the

923
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,719
Chile Jean, the previous protest movement of I think twenty

924
01:05:54,760 --> 01:06:02,320
nineteen twenty twenty, they have been sort of reincarnated as

925
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:07,800
the blocko tooth movement, which translates to let's block everything.

926
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,679
And these guys are being an egg done by the

927
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:18,639
far left. This time the far left is joining the

928
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,840
protest that is saying, yeah, let's go all the way.

929
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,639
They just lost another prime minister on Monday, that would

930
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:31,719
make it Macron's fifth or sixth prime minister. Parliament is hung.

931
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:38,519
They can't agree like he probably won't succeed in getting

932
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:42,639
confidence from Parliament, So they're heading towards a constitutional crisis,

933
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,480
and things are accelerating at an insane pace. And it's

934
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:54,519
the same everywhere in the West, with the left refusing

935
01:06:54,679 --> 01:07:00,679
to pause, relent, debate, discuss whether or not their ideas

936
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:05,280
have really been to the benefit of their countries. And

937
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,760
the reason for that, the reason they can't pause is,

938
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,000
as I explained it earlier, that the various ideologies that

939
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:16,000
they have, but it's also because they see violence as

940
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:18,159
the only way of retaining power and they're willing to

941
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,920
use it, and they're willing to rely on the islam

942
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,159
Is to stay in power in the same way that

943
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:26,920
the Democrats want to rely on the illegal migrant community

944
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to stay in power. And it's just literally treason. There's

945
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:36,079
no other way of describing it. It's treason. So this

946
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:41,079
kind of extremism, like one of the Western countries, is

947
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:45,599
going to be unable to resolve this in political in

948
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,320
using political means and it's an open question. Will it

949
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,280
be France, will it be Germany, will be Italy? A

950
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,599
little bit less probable in the next couple of years

951
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:59,440
now will it? Will it be the United States, will

952
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,679
it be the UNI Kingdom. You know, they're all candidates,

953
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:07,360
they're all candidates for this, and you end up in this.

954
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,719
There's one line in Thucydides where he's talking about the

955
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,439
series of civil wars that just break out everywhere, and

956
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:24,239
where any compromise becomes treason, and where nobody can find

957
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:29,760
middle grounds and solutions, and so the answer everywhere is

958
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,840
to massacre your enemies. Guys, if we're not careful, this

959
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,680
is where we're going. And again I don't wish this

960
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,920
on anyone. I was lucky not to grow up during

961
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,119
the Lebanese Civil War because my dad like he was

962
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:51,680
going to get killed, so he left. But I was,

963
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,039
you know, in a sense there, and I was visiting

964
01:08:56,039 --> 01:09:03,239
every year and it was at home the issue. So

965
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,359
this isn't where you want to end up. And unless

966
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,439
the left relents, this is exactly where you're going to

967
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,880
end up. And then the lucky countries are going to

968
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,279
be the countries that get a kind of Franco or

969
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,119
that get a Salazar. These are going to be the

970
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:27,159
lucky ones and the unlucky ones are going to be Balkanized, Lebanonized,

971
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:32,760
call it whatever you want, irishize, whatever it is. But

972
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,359
this is where, this is the trajectory, This is the

973
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:36,000
direction of.

974
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:41,159
Speaker 1: Travel, the track of history that led up to eighteen

975
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:45,680
forty eight, when Marxist started writing they're socialist. There's Marxist

976
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,000
style writings everywhere, and you have the eighteen forty eight

977
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:52,760
and basically eighteen forty eight is the start of we

978
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,840
need to kill the kings. That's what we have. We

979
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,640
have to get rid of the kings. Now, go out

980
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,439
into the streets of Baltimore or in New York City

981
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:06,319
and you know some of the worst neighborhoods or place

982
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,880
in Europe, some of what have become ghettos, and there

983
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,159
are your fruits of killing your kings. But you know

984
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:17,920
what eighteen forty eight was was it was something that

985
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,000
had to start, that had to happen, that spread like

986
01:10:21,039 --> 01:10:24,840
wildfire in order for them to do that. Well, you know,

987
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:29,680
the way I look at it is is that basically,

988
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,239
at this point, we there's going to be an eighteen

989
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:34,680
forty eight from the right. And what's going to happen

990
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,600
is the first country that topples. I think there's a

991
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,000
good chance it could be Australia. Australia may have a

992
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,359
may have an eighteen forty eight moment. But as soon

993
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,199
as that first country, as soon as that first Anglo

994
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:56,279
you're Anglo or classically European country, that first domino falls,

995
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,680
you're going to see it spread like wildfire. And I mean,

996
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,159
I just don't think I don't think that there is

997
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:04,840
any argument against it.

998
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,079
Speaker 2: Now.

999
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:08,199
Speaker 1: I've been saying for a few years the future is

1000
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,520
right wing or a left wing authoritarianism. The only matter

1001
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,479
is which one do you want? Pray you get the

1002
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,920
one you want, and prepare for getting the one you

1003
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,760
don't want. Yes, because that's just the track that we're on.

1004
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 2: Very much so, very much so. And if and if

1005
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,279
either France or Britain ends up with a financial crisis, well,

1006
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:34,319
what are you going to do. There's got to be austerity, Okay.

1007
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,399
How are you going to justify imposing austerity on the

1008
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:44,840
taxpayers while still giving welfare to foreigners? How are you

1009
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,600
going to sell that? The only way to do it

1010
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,960
is to import more voters, and if you import more voters, well,

1011
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,199
then their response is going to be violence. M hmm.

1012
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,600
We're reaching a point where it's obvious to anybody who's

1013
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:09,119
sensible anywhere in Europe that you can't integrate Africans, you

1014
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:13,199
can't integrate Middle Eastern Ners, you can't integrate Indians, you

1015
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:19,760
can't integrate Pakistanis, and especially not in these numbers, especially

1016
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,159
not in these numbers, And if you insist on it,

1017
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:28,399
the answer is going to be the kind of indiscriminate violence.

1018
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,239
In Lebanon, people would get stepped, stopped and checkpoints and

1019
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:35,239
they'd have to produce their identity card and if it's

1020
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:37,880
set the wrong religion, they'd get shot because everybody in

1021
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,720
Lebanon is ethically the same. But in Europe you can

1022
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:47,720
visually tell who's European and who isn't, and then you

1023
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,880
get this race based violence, which is what the Left

1024
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,279
has been panicking about endlessly while also willing into being.

1025
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:07,880
So this is getting very dark and heading towards outcomes

1026
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,840
that really nobody's saying should wish for. And there are

1027
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,119
solutions to it. There are still even now this late

1028
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,680
in the game, there are still solutions. You can say well,

1029
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,800
I'm going to pay people to remigrate X amount of money,

1030
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:26,239
and I will reduce it over time to encourage more

1031
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:29,079
of them to leave sooner. And if they don't leave,

1032
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:32,600
I'm going to expropriate their assets and make them leave,

1033
01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:36,960
and then you get people voluntarily leaving in large numbers.

1034
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:45,159
Fair Enough, this is a much better outcome than the alternative.

1035
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,479
But for the left, this is still unacceptable and they're

1036
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,279
literally willing to ally with the Jihades to stop it.

1037
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: What do you does this touch Does this issue touched

1038
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,520
China at all? Or is it just a weakness that

1039
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:10,399
China can exploit to increase their regional hegemony and their

1040
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:11,439
global influence.

1041
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: It's very much the latter. I mean, if you're in China,

1042
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,600
you would be insane not to be funding the Green movement.

1043
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,000
You'd be insane not to be funding BLM. You'd be

1044
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:26,800
insane not to fund the various minority race drifters, the

1045
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,640
global majority race drifters, let's call them that. You'd be

1046
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:37,800
insane not to do these things. And then you've put

1047
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:42,560
yourself in this situation where, because of Indian bad behavior

1048
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,359
and because of Trump's approach to India, the Indians and

1049
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:49,880
the Chinese are sort of trying to find a way

1050
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:50,720
to get along.

1051
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:55,319
Speaker 3: As are the Russians well.

1052
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 2: Because of the inability to just give up on this

1053
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,880
stupid war in Ukraine. On this apps soolutely pointless war

1054
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,079
in Ukraine, you're pushing the Russians towards the Chinese, and

1055
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:11,880
now with the Israelis literally on a rampage, on an

1056
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:18,680
uncontrolled rampage that no other president would have tolerated. H

1057
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:22,760
bombing Utta, which happened two days ago, is a really

1058
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,920
big deal. It's a it's a major non NATO ally,

1059
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:33,039
it's designated as a major non NATO ally. And it

1060
01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:37,800
seems that the Trump administration sent some kind of peace

1061
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:42,840
offer got to the leadership of Hamas together, and then

1062
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,079
the Israelis used that with the with the Americans knowing

1063
01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:52,199
about it obviously because Suncom controls all of that airspace well,

1064
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:58,159
to bomb the ham Ask agotiating team.

1065
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 3: Well, it was, it was, it was, you know, we

1066
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:08,840
how can I say this without I know, I'll just

1067
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,640
believe it at this I know Trump was personally very

1068
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:19,680
upset about the uh the bombing and was informed very late.

1069
01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:22,359
Speaker 1: Look, I was very upset, well that let that that

1070
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,720
just tells me it's twenty nineteen, it's twenty nineteen or

1071
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,800
twenty twenty all over again, and the generals are doing

1072
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,560
things behind his back exactly.

1073
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't that there's a yeah, I

1074
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,680
really can't. I really can't say no, you don't say

1075
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,960
nothing or but but I will put it this way

1076
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,920
with And we talked about this a little bit, I

1077
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:54,439
think on our last contact. But uh, there's a real

1078
01:16:54,479 --> 01:17:00,199
pickle because the answer this is going to say on

1079
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:05,880
very crass. But there's a sense in which this uh

1080
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:14,520
ethnic nationalism that is being practiced at a ridiculously extreme

1081
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:23,079
level is a there's a sense in which Trump knows

1082
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:29,000
that that there's there's that although not at this lat

1083
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:32,520
at this extreme, there is a pattern there that that

1084
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,359
there's a nationalism that is a that is a blueprint

1085
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,119
going forward that helps that that helps solve some of

1086
01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:46,199
these issues. I think we'd all the problem is then

1087
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,079
how do you how do you how do you ride

1088
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:51,920
that bicycle and not fall over?

1089
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:52,319
Speaker 2: One way?

1090
01:17:52,359 --> 01:17:57,359
Speaker 3: Where hey, uh, you're acting you're acting you you are

1091
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:03,920
acting like the uh your your last century persecutors guys.

1092
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,960
Yet there's a sense in which where we don't want

1093
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,680
to completely counter signal a certain amount of nationalism. And

1094
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,359
I don't know that. You know, I'm a fan of

1095
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:19,479
of of of the president, but I don't know if

1096
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,760
he completely has the intellectual tools just because that's not

1097
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:28,439
his strength, uh to to to divide that baby in half,

1098
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,199
so to speak. Do you know what I'm saying here?

1099
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 2: I understand, I understand, yeah.

1100
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 3: And I don't. I don't know how he I don't

1101
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,880
know if if he has the the people around him

1102
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,239
to help him sort to divide that baby in half.

1103
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: I just don't.

1104
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:48,199
Speaker 3: I don't know what I.

1105
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: Would nobody expects. Let me, I'll just say something. Nobody

1106
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:57,319
expects perfect governance. Anyone who expects perfect governance is you

1107
01:18:57,359 --> 01:19:01,399
should just be dismissed. Please stop paying attention about six right,

1108
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:06,199
We just expect governance in our own interests.

1109
01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:11,279
Speaker 2: In our own interest exactly. And to build on that, sorry, Ron,

1110
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:16,560
just to build on that. When a major non NATO

1111
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,359
ally is bombed by Israel, while at the same time

1112
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:22,520
we have the Israelis saying that they're going to bomb

1113
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:27,119
Turkey next to get the Hamas officials who are in Turkey,

1114
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:32,840
you're basically doing several things at the same time. First,

1115
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:37,000
you were saying that Article five guarantees are going to

1116
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:41,439
be worthless or going to be extremely selective because nobody's

1117
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,439
going to sort of defend Turkey against Israel. That's just

1118
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:49,600
not going to happen. Which is when you see the

1119
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,760
Russian drone attack over Poland and Russian reconnaissance drones going

1120
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:59,479
over Poland testing NATO defense systems, trying to probe, trying

1121
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,279
to see maybe we can sort of bomb some of

1122
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:05,000
the warehouses in Poland, bomb some of the training camps

1123
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,920
in Poland, things of that nature. I mean it's a test, obviously,

1124
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,000
it's a brigsmanship. This is what the Russians are doing.

1125
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,199
They're testing the reaction and they're figuring out what to

1126
01:20:13,239 --> 01:20:18,680
do next. This is not a good outcome, not now.

1127
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,319
And you're pushing the Muslim world closer and closer to China.

1128
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:34,720
So you're doing the same stupid policy that Clinton, Bush, Obama,

1129
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:40,039
Biden all did, which is to push Eurasia closer together

1130
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,319
under Chinese leadership and to feed the Chinese industrial machine

1131
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,439
with the resources of Eurasia and to give the Chinese

1132
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:59,960
a new Libenstyn. That's what's happening. That's the direct result

1133
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:03,439
of this policy or the second order consequence of the

1134
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,359
decision to allow these readies to do this. And if

1135
01:21:07,399 --> 01:21:11,079
Trump this late in the game can't get the Pentagon

1136
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:18,800
under control, even with HEXT there, it's a real problem.

1137
01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:22,760
It's a very real problem, and it should make us

1138
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,119
question whether or not Trump can get the far left

1139
01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:32,119
under control in a way that averts domestic conflict in

1140
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:36,079
the United States. It's insane enough that the Americans have

1141
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:39,119
allowed the white population to shrink to just sixty percent

1142
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:46,880
of the total. It's extreme enough when these kinds of

1143
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:52,399
demographic changes happen everywhere and anywhere there's a war. Prosperity

1144
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,039
keeps that away sometimes.

1145
01:21:56,079 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you couple it with uh a debt crisis,

1146
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,600
a debt overhang that we're seeing across the West. Those

1147
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:11,560
two things together historically always equal war. How can we

1148
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,840
go find resources or reclaim resources in order to make

1149
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,000
this problem go away exactly?

1150
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: Which is what makes the attack on the boat in

1151
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,960
Venezuela interesting, Which is what makes the build up around

1152
01:22:26,079 --> 01:22:32,439
Venezuela interesting, because this is a natural resource superpower. It is,

1153
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,920
and so controlling that helps the United States to some extent.

1154
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:40,279
Speaker 3: But well, and I'm a Monroe doctrine.

1155
01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: Guy.

1156
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 3: So, I you know, if we're gonna if we're gonna

1157
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,560
have silly if we're gonna have silly conflicts, can they

1158
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,680
at least be in our own hemisphere. Can we get

1159
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:53,159
the Chinese to quit overfishing our own hemisphere's waters exactly?

1160
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,039
Can we can we get you know, can we get

1161
01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:59,399
everybody kind of singing somewhat the same tune, maybe not

1162
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,239
the same anza, but at least in the same key

1163
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:09,000
in our own neighborhood as opposed to driving the rest

1164
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
of the world. Again, to me, it seems like, I know,

1165
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:14,520
I cut you off, but to me, it seems like

1166
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:21,239
anti colonialism in an Africa disaster Part two. Exac's what

1167
01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:23,199
we're doing exactly.

1168
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:29,199
Speaker 2: You're I couldn't agree more. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

1169
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:37,079
So something has got to give, something has got to give.

1170
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, historically it's it comes to is going to be violence.

1171
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,359
I mean, I hate to say it. You know, people

1172
01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:50,399
have been asking me, you know, what do I because

1173
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,840
you know, I've been talking about eighteen forty eight, like

1174
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:56,439
a right word kind of eighteen forty eight, and they're like, so,

1175
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:01,359
how do you see that playing out? And I'm like, well, here,

1176
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:10,560
probably brush fires, brush fires in certain places. No Europe

1177
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:15,359
like England. I'm reminded of the title of a famous

1178
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:16,640
enoch Pal speech.

1179
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Look, the one advantage that England has over

1180
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:27,520
everybody else is the nature of the English political system,

1181
01:24:29,079 --> 01:24:38,760
where one parliament can literally reverse every law that favors migration,

1182
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,319
that favors DEI, that gives citizenship to people who shouldn't

1183
01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:47,560
have it, that does all of these catastrophic things. This

1184
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:53,880
is the huge advantage that Britain has. The constitutional structure

1185
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:59,239
of Britain has zero checks and balances, none and if

1186
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:02,760
some court says that it doesn't, the next day, you

1187
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,279
can legislate with whatever majority that you have that in

1188
01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:09,520
fact it does now, and you know, you can do

1189
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,760
whatever you want. That's the one thing that Britain has

1190
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,079
going for it. Its ability to change things in legal

1191
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:20,680
means if a single election is won by the right

1192
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:28,399
people is enormous. It's genuinely enormous. Because there isn't a

1193
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:36,760
written constitution, because Parliament is fully sovereign. The Crown in

1194
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,840
Parliament doctrine allows Parliament to do whatever it wants so

1195
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,039
long as it gets the royal assent. And if good

1196
01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:47,279
King Charles won't give it, well, you know he knows

1197
01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:55,600
where that ends. So this is the advantage that Britain

1198
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,960
does have. If it decides to withdraw from every international treaty,

1199
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,319
if it decides that it's going to impose remigration, if

1200
01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:08,119
it's going to impose a new bill of rights that

1201
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:12,079
excludes Islam from these rights, it can do that. It

1202
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:15,439
can absolutely do that. And this is a huge advantage,

1203
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:21,640
whereas in a sense, the American Constitution, because of the

1204
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:26,359
power of the States, means that somebody like Newsome can

1205
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:32,479
hold out indefinitely and with an economy that size, it

1206
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:39,640
can become a real problem that therefore becomes a unarmed situation,

1207
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:47,199
you know. So there are these differences. And with the

1208
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:52,399
American Bill of Rights, you can't simply designate a domestic

1209
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:56,600
group as a terrorist organization. You have to go through

1210
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,279
the judiciary, and if you get the wrong jurisdiction or

1211
01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:05,920
the wrong judge, you're in very deep trouble. So there

1212
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,119
are these advantages that make me more optimistic about Britain

1213
01:27:09,159 --> 01:27:11,640
than I am about the rest of the West. But

1214
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,279
this is contingent on the right people winning an election

1215
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:22,079
before twenty thirty five, because by then the amount of

1216
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:27,439
change in the country would have become so dramatic that

1217
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,560
the only answer is violence, because the English aren't going

1218
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,079
to just be dispossessed and go gently into that good night.

1219
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:39,560
That's not in their character. And you're seeing people getting

1220
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:47,680
angrier and angrier, and the atmosphere here is really grim,

1221
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:54,680
and the Kirk murder has really hardened people's positions, and

1222
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:57,720
it might even go as far as to convince the

1223
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:02,000
chunk of the right that looks our own petty disagreements

1224
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,800
are irrelevant. This is a battle for survival mm hmm.

1225
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,560
Especially I don't know if you saw this. The BBC

1226
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:18,680
had somebody literally laughing about Kirk's murder. I saw it.

1227
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:26,399
It was disgusting, appalling, I absolutely appalling. And this is

1228
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:31,600
supposed to be neutral, like the BBC's mandate is to

1229
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:41,000
be a neutral political channel. So we're just getting into

1230
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:47,279
a very extreme situation here globally and domestically for the West,

1231
01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:53,439
and nobody's being sensible about it. I was very optimistic

1232
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,520
about Trump. He'll try to reconcile with the Russia and

1233
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,720
the Ukraine war solve these problems slowly. Instead wishing not

1234
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:06,079
just Russia but China, India, the Muslim world altogether. This

1235
01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:10,680
is just reckless. This is geopolitically the suicidal.

1236
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:18,039
Speaker 3: I was at nat CON last week and it's it

1237
01:29:18,119 --> 01:29:24,359
was amazing how there was one panel on of kind

1238
01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:33,359
of a realist restraint versus neo kon position talk and

1239
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,479
the neocon guy, I mean as you would. I mean

1240
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,079
it was just name calling, that's all it was. And

1241
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:44,840
the restraint realist kind of mirror kind of a Meersheimer class,

1242
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:52,359
you know, approach. It's just like, do you understand what

1243
01:29:53,279 --> 01:29:53,520
you know?

1244
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 2: Look, they are the mirror image of the leftists. In

1245
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,279
the same way that the left want everything to burn,

1246
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:06,000
the neocons want everything to burn in they can't back

1247
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:08,960
down over anything. The neocons also can't back down.

1248
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 3: And well, I just don't get what the long term

1249
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,880
vision is, uh, both of it.

1250
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,199
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety two, wolf of It's articulated it.

1251
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,199
Speaker 3: No, yeah, and that little demon yeah exactly.

1252
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 2: His view was essentially, there is no way we can

1253
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,000
tolerate another Cold War, and therefore we must destroy our

1254
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:38,159
enemies completely. But by the way, we should focus that

1255
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:39,640
on Russia.

1256
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 3: Um, yeah, how's yet, how's Russia doing? What's the single beacon.

1257
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,680
Well maybe not single, but what's one of the main

1258
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:54,600
beacons of still having some type of of of religious

1259
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,720
public life of having it again. I'm no, I'm not gonna.

1260
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,880
I'm not. I don't want to say here in uh

1261
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:05,239
and be a Putine uh apologist because he is a

1262
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:11,920
brutal man. But uh, just look at you know, Russia

1263
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:21,880
is generally safe, clean, employed, religious, uh and and able

1264
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:28,800
to exist without the United States teat They've proven that

1265
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,319
they we got they got cut off from swift, they

1266
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:35,279
got cut off from US exports, and they're existing. I mean,

1267
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,560
regardless of all the uh, all the propaganda. You know,

1268
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,680
do I want to move to Saint Petersburg, although I

1269
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,079
hear it's beautiful. No, But but they're doing they are

1270
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,000
they are not. They are not turning into the wasteland

1271
01:31:52,039 --> 01:31:56,600
that everyone predicted. Ah, you know, and more sanctions, more sanctions.

1272
01:31:57,319 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: Okay, what have these sanctions done a Western nation? Russians

1273
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,119
are not Russians are not Westerners. They're never going to

1274
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:14,960
be Westerners. Yeah. Sure, some Western trash ideologies have entered

1275
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,800
there and putin fights against it all the time. And

1276
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,000
you see the buses pull up and just arrest every

1277
01:32:22,079 --> 01:32:24,840
protester and throw them in a bus, and I don't

1278
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,000
care what he does with them. I wish they would

1279
01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:32,039
do that here. But they're not Westerners. They're not I

1280
01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:35,399
mean literally, Russians are not like us. We grew up

1281
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,039
completely different way there. We were wired a completely different way.

1282
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:44,079
And trying to compare Russia to the West and think

1283
01:32:44,359 --> 01:32:47,479
it's just it's a fool's errand there's no there's no

1284
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,079
way that they're, with their history and who they are,

1285
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,119
that they're going to be like us.

1286
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 2: They will be different. Absolutely, yeah. And the the whole

1287
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,399
idea that the West, I would argue, sorry to interrupt you,

1288
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:07,520
but the biggest weakness of the West, especially Europe, is

1289
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,439
the extent to which it is Americanized. I mean, the

1290
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:17,960
idea that I don't know Britain or Germany or nations

1291
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:22,920
of immigrants is absolutely absurd. It's just a complete historical

1292
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:27,600
fallacy with absolutely no roots in reality. You see these

1293
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:32,600
propagandistic shows coming out showing black Vikings. Are you out

1294
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:33,640
of your mind?

1295
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:35,079
Speaker 3: Black Swedes?

1296
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:39,079
Speaker 2: Black Swedes? Are you completely out of your mind? Right?

1297
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:47,479
So there's this attempt to remake Europe into America, which

1298
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,840
was always going to be insane, because the whole premise

1299
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,880
of America was that it was the one place where

1300
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:57,880
Europeans could go to escape European conflicts. It wasn't about

1301
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,239
importing Hindus, and it wasn't about importing Africans, and it

1302
01:34:01,279 --> 01:34:08,279
wasn't about importing Chinese people. And everybody who was involved

1303
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:12,239
in slavery at the time of independence thought well, when

1304
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:13,920
we free the slaves, we need to send them back.

1305
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:22,159
So there's this problem with Europe when it comes to America,

1306
01:34:23,359 --> 01:34:27,119
and there's the reality that Europe is a sovereign and

1307
01:34:27,159 --> 01:34:33,319
that's a big part of the problem. They've subordinated their

1308
01:34:33,399 --> 01:34:38,279
national interest to the American national interest and it can't

1309
01:34:38,319 --> 01:34:40,239
go on like this indefinitely.

1310
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 3: For us. Tell me about your experiences, as you know,

1311
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:52,520
as Lebanese seeing how this is very interesting to me,

1312
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:57,399
how the UK the racial tension there seems to be

1313
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:03,640
far less black and white as it is with the

1314
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,840
other ethnicities. Is that is that reality or is that

1315
01:35:09,039 --> 01:35:13,279
just seeing it from afar and not seeing the reality

1316
01:35:13,319 --> 01:35:13,920
on the ground.

1317
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: Look the so for example, the firstly, the black population

1318
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,039
here is maybe three percent, whereas in the States it's

1319
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:30,720
thirteen percent, and it's very concentrated in London more so

1320
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:35,239
than other parts of the country. And in London you

1321
01:35:35,319 --> 01:35:40,039
get the same thirteen fifty two dynamic. London is about

1322
01:35:40,039 --> 01:35:48,439
thirteen percent black and fifty percent of violent crime at

1323
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,239
least life really yeah, yeah.

1324
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:55,159
Speaker 3: Really yeah. So we don't get that news over here,

1325
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,479
you know, because it's not reported.

1326
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,039
Speaker 2: You have to go through the office data and find it.

1327
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:03,560
But nobody in the media will touch it.

1328
01:36:05,239 --> 01:36:08,119
Speaker 3: But they're real because over here you see that. You

1329
01:36:08,199 --> 01:36:12,119
just see you know, Bacaya Saka or somebody like that,

1330
01:36:12,319 --> 01:36:15,800
who's you know, I think he's Ebo and they're kind

1331
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:20,399
of outliers anyway. But you don't And again I'm not

1332
01:36:20,399 --> 01:36:22,920
trying to be crass or anything. I've just always wondered

1333
01:36:23,079 --> 01:36:25,640
what the different dynamic there is, and but you're telling

1334
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,760
me it's not that different.

1335
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 2: In London. There is this issue, but the English pride

1336
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:36,640
themselves on never having had that experience that the Americans

1337
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:43,359
had with slavery. Fair enough, The big tension is with

1338
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:47,479
the Pakistani community and with the Muslim community in general. Right,

1339
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:52,279
these are six percent of the population twenty eighteen or

1340
01:36:52,319 --> 01:36:57,119
twenty seven percent of the prison population. I think it's

1341
01:36:57,159 --> 01:36:59,279
eighteen percent I think it's eighteen percent of the prison

1342
01:36:59,319 --> 01:37:08,239
population growing rapidly and growing very rapidly. And the Indians

1343
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:12,800
that originally came here were uppercased Indians and they ended

1344
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:17,159
up integrating. The newer Indian arrivals are more of a problem.

1345
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,760
The Serra community is generally well regarded. They don't cause

1346
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:23,720
a problem for anyone.

1347
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 3: And same here, yeah, same here.

1348
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,239
Speaker 2: But the not in Canada, well the ink Yeah in

1349
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,760
Canada that they're involved in the Khalistanatarism stuff and that's

1350
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,479
a different dynamic there.

1351
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a numbers thing, and it's a number

1352
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:45,359
and that's what they all gets to.

1353
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:46,119
Speaker 2: The numbers.

1354
01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:52,319
Speaker 3: This gets I call it the chef problem. It's I have,

1355
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:58,079
I have my entree and yeah, the chef uses spices

1356
01:37:58,279 --> 01:38:00,960
to make it more interesting, to make the flavors pop.

1357
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:07,680
But once this becomes majority spice, it tastes like yeah, exactly,

1358
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:12,279
manure exactly, you can't the spy. There has got to

1359
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:18,279
be this cohesive dish that tastes, that has a that

1360
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:23,960
has a flavor that is that is uh, that is

1361
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:28,760
uh that that doesn't fight against itself. And once you

1362
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:33,119
once you become majority uh, you know whatever, pick your

1363
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:37,159
spice of choice. It it you're not you know, you

1364
01:38:37,279 --> 01:38:39,640
no longer have the benefit of whatever that entree. It

1365
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,279
doesn't taste like steak anymore, or uh, you know, or

1366
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,239
or chicken cought on blue or whatever you're you know,

1367
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,239
whatever your thing you're eating, And that's that sounds like

1368
01:38:50,319 --> 01:38:54,319
a silly example, but it's, uh, I don't think it is.

1369
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:56,600
I think we are. You know, each nation in a

1370
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:00,000
in a liturgical sense, is to be a pleasing aroma

1371
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:02,439
to God. And how is it going to be that

1372
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,600
if if you can't anyway.

1373
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 2: If you can't distinguish it, and if it's all covered

1374
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:08,119
by you.

1375
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 3: Can't distinguish it. That's exactly right.

1376
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,359
Speaker 2: So the numbers here are really becoming a problem because

1377
01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:16,359
in the last couple of years, I think something like

1378
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,760
it's an insane number, but something like seven percent of

1379
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:23,279
the population of Britain has arrived in the last five years,

1380
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:30,279
which is just crazy. Britain took in in some years

1381
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,560
more migrants than the United States.

1382
01:39:35,239 --> 01:39:39,319
Speaker 3: In absolutely terms. Oh my god.

1383
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, Enoch Powell was complaining about five thousand a year.

1384
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:47,239
Speaker 2: M because he could see what that was going to

1385
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:52,840
roll into, and because the people who first came here,

1386
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:59,479
I mean, especially the Pakistanis. They were horrific and as

1387
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:03,279
Powell said, the only word that they knew was racialist,

1388
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,000
and they would just go around accusing people of being

1389
01:40:07,079 --> 01:40:09,560
racist towards them, and then they try to sort of

1390
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:15,039
take over neighborhoods and kick people out of their neighborhoods. Yeah, ghettoization, ghettoization,

1391
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:19,560
and in those numbers, it's impossible for their not to

1392
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:20,479
be ghetoization.

1393
01:40:22,039 --> 01:40:22,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1394
01:40:22,359 --> 01:40:25,119
Speaker 2: So you got parts of London that are just fourteen

1395
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:30,159
percent white British. Fourteen percent white British, that's all in

1396
01:40:30,199 --> 01:40:34,479
some parts of London, and that is just not sustainable.

1397
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,159
No sane person thinks that this can work.

1398
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the picture of the banana. Yeah, London

1399
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:47,439
that everybody, everybody with any sense, lives within the banana.

1400
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:52,279
Speaker 2: If you can afford it, right, It's become so obscenely unaffordable,

1401
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:56,439
especially with the communist policies of this government. I mean,

1402
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,159
remember they had a bunch of lawsuits where because of

1403
01:41:00,199 --> 01:41:04,279
the way the law is written, companies were being forced

1404
01:41:04,319 --> 01:41:12,119
to pay front front store retail workers the same as

1405
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:15,359
they were paying warehouse workers, which is a pittance in

1406
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,319
either case. Like wages zero are much lower than they

1407
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are in the United States. But they've decided that all

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01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:26,199
work is of equal value and that the market shouldn't

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01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:31,199
set the price of work. And this ended up see

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01:41:31,239 --> 01:41:34,800
how well, I'll tell you how it's worked out. It

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01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,960
led to a situation where Birmingham went bankrupt and they

1412
01:41:39,039 --> 01:41:44,920
haven't collected the trash in Birmingham in several months, maybe longer,

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01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:49,640
maybe a year now because the workers have been on strike.

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It's led to a situation where companies are facing bankruptcy

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01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,720
because you know, the extension of this logic is if

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01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,119
you pay, because now they're trying to sort of equalize

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01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:05,720
it more in terms of race, and so the consequence

1418
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,720
is that if on average, your black staff are getting

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01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,399
paid less than your white staff, or your Indian staff

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01:42:12,399 --> 01:42:16,399
for that matter, somebody could take you to court. The

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01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:21,800
judgment found that there was no intentional discrimination, but that

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01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,960
the companies were still liable even though there was no

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01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:29,600
evidence that they were discriminating on purpose, and their reason

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01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,960
for it was because the warehouse workers were forty seven

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01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,720
percent women, whereas the front of store workers were seventy

1426
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,760
two percent women, and because they were getting less than

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01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:45,439
the warehouse workers, they had to pay massive amounts of compensation.

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01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,880
And so if you're an employer, why the hell would

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01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:55,520
you hire anyone? Why would you consider hiring anyone? And

1430
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,520
if you don't hire enough people from minority backgrounds, you

1431
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,079
can still suit for a discrimination because you're you're you're

1432
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:06,520
you're choosing based on race. So the way that the

1433
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:12,479
legal system is operating here is absolutely mad, absolutely mad.

1434
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:16,239
And if you were to reverse what we call the

1435
01:43:16,279 --> 01:43:19,880
Boris Wave, the huge inflow of migrants that have come

1436
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:24,199
in the last few years because of Boris Donson, I

1437
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:28,399
think housing prices would crash. But if housing prices crashed,

1438
01:43:29,239 --> 01:43:31,159
that can take down a big trunk of the banking

1439
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:36,239
sector with it. Mm hmm. So they're stuck in this

1440
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,520
doom loop where every aspect of the economy has a

1441
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:48,640
gun to every other aspect of the economy's head, and

1442
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,359
once someone pulls the trigger, everybody dies and the whole

1443
01:43:51,399 --> 01:43:52,720
economy comes crashing down.

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01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a house of cards.

1445
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:56,159
Speaker 2: It's a house of cards. And that's why I think

1446
01:43:56,199 --> 01:43:58,479
there's going to be a massive devaluation of the British

1447
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,960
pound and then you're going to have to impose austerity

1448
01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:05,319
and then again, the question becomes, how are you going

1449
01:44:05,359 --> 01:44:10,920
to justify austerity when you're giving welfare to foreigners? Why

1450
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,000
should the taxpayers pay for it? They're going to revolt.

1451
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,880
So like the hour is late and there needs to

1452
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,960
be very dramatic, very quick change, and it's possible within

1453
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:30,359
the constitutional British system, within the British constitutional system, but

1454
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,399
nobody seems to be thinking about this. So all of

1455
01:44:33,399 --> 01:44:37,119
the like Reform, the supposed opposition party who are going

1456
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:41,439
to probably form, god perform the next cabinet. It's a

1457
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:46,439
bit of a clown show. Mm hmm. They're not serious.

1458
01:44:47,079 --> 01:44:50,600
They're just not serious about policy and they're not serious

1459
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,479
about what needs to be done. Nigel Fowrs is saying, well,

1460
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:56,079
we don't want to confront Islam, but Islam wants to

1461
01:44:56,119 --> 01:44:58,039
confront you, brother, whether.

1462
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,399
Speaker 3: You like it or not. Yeah, I'm do not care

1463
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:02,439
about politics, but politics cares.

1464
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: About you exactly exactly. So this divorce from reality, this

1465
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:14,680
insistence on the left that you know, nothing's happening, it's

1466
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,319
all fine, it's all good, we're gonna sort it out

1467
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:21,560
in the end. Distinkering at the margins, it's just disastrous.

1468
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:26,800
Now we have a Muslim as the Home Secretary and

1469
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:30,039
she's Pakistani. She's like fully Pakistani, she speaks fluent with

1470
01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:35,159
who she's says that her entire worldview is based on Islam.

1471
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,960
Everything that she does is for Islam, and she's in

1472
01:45:39,079 --> 01:45:44,000
charge of the Home Office. Mm hmm, Like that's insane.

1473
01:45:44,079 --> 01:45:48,760
We just had a Guineian as Foreign Secretary. He happened

1474
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:53,800
to be such a complete and comprehensive moron that when

1475
01:45:54,199 --> 01:45:57,720
the BBC a few years ago asked do you expect

1476
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,279
black smoke or white smoke coming out of the attic,

1477
01:46:01,239 --> 01:46:06,159
he thought it was a racial slur. He didn't even

1478
01:46:06,279 --> 01:46:13,800
know he had previously been Minister of Culture. So the

1479
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:22,439
talent pool is atrocious and the people in charge. He

1480
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,119
was asked on some kind of quiz show who succeeded

1481
01:46:26,119 --> 01:46:29,760
Henry the eighth? Do you know what he said, Henry

1482
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:30,279
the seventh?

1483
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:37,520
Speaker 1: Oh, like he didn't know what succeeded me. I mean,

1484
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,479
it's it's no different than here. I mean, these people

1485
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:46,960
are morons. You politicians. The average politician in this country

1486
01:46:47,079 --> 01:46:53,039
cannot go on a podcast and have a conversation about

1487
01:46:53,079 --> 01:46:58,000
politics because you know, they run into someone like me

1488
01:46:58,319 --> 01:47:03,760
or my friends. We're going to just absolutely annihilate them. Yeah, yeah,

1489
01:47:04,079 --> 01:47:07,640
they're just they don't. They have a set of talking

1490
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:11,000
points and they can stick to those. And then the

1491
01:47:11,039 --> 01:47:17,119
press is the same way. Notice press do they will

1492
01:47:17,159 --> 01:47:20,199
not do a podcast or an interview unless they're being

1493
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:23,600
interviewed by somebody who is a fellow member of the

1494
01:47:24,399 --> 01:47:29,279
baptized press. Yes, because that person is just equally as

1495
01:47:29,319 --> 01:47:30,880
stupid as they are, and they can just sit there

1496
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:32,239
and talk about nothing for an hour.

1497
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all talk. It's all talking points, boiler plate,

1498
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,880
applause lines. There's no there's no ability to synthesize on

1499
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:44,800
the fly. No, I see the same thing. I mean,

1500
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:50,359
I uh, Anyway, guys, I'm gonna have to wrap up

1501
01:47:50,359 --> 01:47:51,680
here in the next five to ten minutes.

1502
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:56,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's let's start wrapping up here. So I'll

1503
01:47:56,079 --> 01:47:58,239
give each of you, you know, a chance. I have

1504
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,720
a couple of minutes to end with and and and

1505
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:04,439
give your thoughts about whatever is you know, what's happening

1506
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:05,520
in the that gest whatever.

1507
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:07,319
Speaker 2: Well.

1508
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:12,039
Speaker 3: I think for for me, I'm concerned all of these

1509
01:48:12,079 --> 01:48:18,640
things historically lead to some type of bloodshed, uh, some

1510
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:25,560
type of conflict. I think the great, the great temptation

1511
01:48:26,199 --> 01:48:30,439
for all these Western governments is to be the to

1512
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,520
keep the party going whatever it takes, you know, can

1513
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:39,039
I get another bump? And eventually you stay on, You

1514
01:48:39,079 --> 01:48:41,840
stay on the juice long enough, and it turns you suicidal,

1515
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:47,359
uh and homicidal. And I think that works in civilizations

1516
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,600
every bit as much as it works in individuals, that

1517
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:54,279
you stay on the stimulant long enough, and it turns

1518
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:58,039
you You forget metaphysics, you forget what brought you here,

1519
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,720
you forget the meaning, and you forget love of people,

1520
01:49:01,079 --> 01:49:08,520
and you just become homicidal, self destructive, nihilist, and and uh,

1521
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:12,880
you don't really care who you take down in the process.

1522
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,960
And I'm just looking both from an investing standpoint and

1523
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,640
from a you know, doing these things and writing standpoint,

1524
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:24,720
what's what is? Where does it spark? Where does the

1525
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:30,760
spark of of of the true you know, conflagration begin?

1526
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:32,800
And I don't have the answer to that.

1527
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:42,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. I pray that the left

1528
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:50,119
can see sense and moderate a little bit, because they are.

1529
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:54,319
They moderated yesterday. Yesterday was their moderation. Yeah. Yeah, that's

1530
01:49:54,359 --> 01:49:58,279
what I'm afraid of. That's what I'm afraid of. If

1531
01:49:58,319 --> 01:50:03,079
they don't relent, if they don't touch grass, if they

1532
01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:08,239
don't begin to see reality, they are going to will

1533
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:15,039
into being nightmares upon nightmares. And I'd also say that

1534
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,960
the United States government, as the leader of the West,

1535
01:50:20,039 --> 01:50:26,520
has a particular responsibility here. Leadership comes with a responsibility.

1536
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:33,279
It needs to do something to keep everybody from rallying

1537
01:50:33,399 --> 01:50:39,800
to China. It needs to do something to just normalize

1538
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,199
some relations with some countries. Even you know, I'm not

1539
01:50:43,239 --> 01:50:46,439
a fan of free trade. I'm not a fan of immigration.

1540
01:50:48,079 --> 01:50:50,960
There has to be balancing there. There has to be

1541
01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:57,000
a return to national identity. This can be done peacefully.

1542
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,640
And it's on the United States to show an example

1543
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,239
as to how this can be done, because it's the

1544
01:51:05,319 --> 01:51:11,720
leader of the West. And if these two things don't happen,

1545
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:16,119
if we don't see some moderation from the left, if

1546
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:21,680
we don't see better leadership from the United States, we

1547
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:25,760
are heading for some very dark times. And I sincerely

1548
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:29,960
pray that I'm wrong, and I pray for peace. But

1549
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,239
as an analyst, this isn't where things are going.

1550
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:42,159
Speaker 1: All right, Let's leave it there, Pharahs. Tell everybody where

1551
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:42,920
they can find your work.

1552
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:49,159
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm on modadgeopolitics dot com and I'm on Lovethienemy

1553
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:56,920
dot net. Check out both of them and you can

1554
01:51:56,920 --> 01:52:02,239
find me on Twitter on modad geoph So you know,

1555
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:03,720
I hope to see you there.

1556
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 3: Run yeah, follow for us on Twitter. He's a good follow.

1557
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:13,840
He's very, very good and very He'll give you a

1558
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,840
good kind of way to center your thoughts. I refer

1559
01:52:18,199 --> 01:52:21,560
to his feet often during the day. You can find

1560
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:27,199
me at Claremont's The American Mind. I write there. I

1561
01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:30,079
write for the American Reformer.

1562
01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 2: Site.

1563
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:37,359
Speaker 3: I write at ron Ron Dodson The of the Eyes

1564
01:52:37,399 --> 01:52:40,680
of Apillies. That's my sub stack. I write there. I've

1565
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:44,800
started being more writing a little more often there and

1566
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:50,439
then on Twitter and on a podcast near you because

1567
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,960
guys like Pete are so gracious to have me and

1568
01:52:54,039 --> 01:52:57,039
I really appreciate this. This was a profitable talk. I

1569
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,920
love both of you guys. You you guys are not

1570
01:53:00,199 --> 01:53:04,600
just smart, but you uh, you care about civilization and humanity,

1571
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:06,239
and I love that about you both.

1572
01:53:06,319 --> 01:53:08,319
Speaker 2: I need to get you both on the Lotus eaters soon.

1573
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:10,239
I need to invite you both on on on my

1574
01:53:10,279 --> 01:53:11,359
lotus each throw soon.

1575
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,560
Speaker 3: I would I would love that. I love Carl Carl,

1576
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:16,600
Carl Carl.

1577
01:53:16,399 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Is amazing, so absolutely in a heartbeat. All right, gentlemen,

1578
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,399
have a great day, Thank you very much.

1579
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:23,279
Speaker 2: Bye bye.

1580
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:31,319
Speaker 3: M h

1581
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:43,119
Speaker 2: Yeah