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Speaker 2: Way, what's going on, man?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: What's up buddy? Happy Mother's Day to you? Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: If I was a mother, I would be so elated.
Did you tell me Happy Mother's Day? Happy Mother's Day
to you. You're the next best thing. You are a
father to multiple children. But it's not your day, dude,
No it's not. I'm sitting here in the rain in
the middle of North cal I feel like it has
rained every fricking day for the last month here. I
know that's not accurate, but that's what it feels like.
I went out to walk the dogs this morning and
it was born down rain and it's still raining here now.
It is what it is. It's still a lovely Sunday.
As we tend to record these on Sunday. You guys
hear them on Friday, Wayne and I record them on Sunday.
That is the magic of podcasting. You never know what's
going on. You don't even know if we're wearing pants
right now. We could be completely naked. You would never know. No,
but what's been going on with you? Man? You got
anything new and exciting going on in your life?
Speaker 4: I am currently wearing pants, so we'll go ahead and
get that out there. But no, just stoodn't plugging away
at the podcast Shinda put out new content as often
as I can. As we said jokingly talked about Mother's Day.
I do want to wish all the moms out there
a very happy Mother's Day, special day. If you are
blessed enough to have an awesome mother, let her know
if she's still around. Mine is not the car Mama,
Tell you lover do it every day, not just Mother's
Day or Birthday's. Happy Mother's Day. Tell you beautiful mothers
out there. But yeah, man, just plugging away, working, just
getting ready for a busy season coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I was looking at the calendar. We have
a pretty chill may it looked like it might turn around.
That might end up making the trip over to the UK,
but a last that is not going to happen. So
I got a kind of chill may and I'm actually
looking forward to it because I'm busier than a one
on paper hanger with all these freaking podcasts. Man, I
didn't realize how much work putting out three episodes a
week of a true crime podcast was going to be.
It's a ton of research, it's a ton of writing,
it's a ton of recording, it's a ton of editing.
Danny bless Us Hearty does a fantastic job with the show.
He's doing his own episode called Rewired in the middle
of the week. We put those out on Wednesday, and
then we come together on Friday and do a co
hosted episode of that podcast. But I still do all
the editing and pre and post production on those episodes.
What a pain in the ass that can be. Just
putting intros in outros, in changing things up, finding the
right music that goes underneath the narration. It's a lot
of work. And Backwoods Bigfoot stories, I think I said
it last week has been one of my favorite outlets
because I love getting into those stories. I love reading
those stories myself and then I get to narrate them
for everybody else, and I'm doing this National Park Nightmares
is what I'm calling it. But it's basically missing persons
cases from all the national parks and areas that are
right next to national parks, and I truly get into
some of those cases. It is some of the most fascinating.
It's really sad, obviously, but it is so fascinating to
me that these people basically park the car, they walk
onto a trail that they've been on, sometimes hundreds of times,
and then they just fucking vanish into thin air. Man,
you do your own thing on your podcast with these
missing persons, Does that ever just make you go, what
the absolute fuck is going on? I know that the
vastness of wilderness, I could literally disappear here on my
forty acres and it would be hard to find me.
I get that, but there's just something about this. I
just did this story about a gentleman who was seventy
four years old. He went out to this area in Yosemite,
I think it was White Wolf Campground. He'd been going
there for decades. Right. He'd get out, do his tent
camp and then he'd go hike. He'd do a five
mile hikes'd hike out two and a half miles and
come back. Sometimes he'd hike five miles and come back,
but that was as far out as he would go.
And he was in an excellent physical condition. He'd literally
had a physical like six months before he went on
this hike and disappeared, and his doctor told him he
had the heart of a twenty something year old. Right,
So there's no reason this man would just walk into
the woods and disappear. But he did. He walked into
the woods and was never seen again. Back in two
thousand and six, they found his backpack sitting under a
tree eight miles away from where he was camped, three
years after he disappeared. Still had food in it, expired
granola bars, a half a bottle of water, all the
things that you would expect to be in a day
pack for somebody doing a five mile hike. But it's
found three years after the fact, eight miles away, outside
of the search parameter that the Star team had been
looking in. It just never ceases to amaze me, man,
it is such a rabbit hole. I'm on volume nine.
I think I just put out today as we record this.
Actually over on Backwoods bigfoot stories. But every time I
do one of these cases, it just baffles me. Are
you the same way? Do you scratch your head? Does
it keep you up at night going what in the
fuck is happening to these people? Are they disappearing because
of animal predation? Is it something to do with other humans?
Did they fall off of a cliff and disappear? I
don't know, man, but it really keeps me coming back
to the well. And there's so many of them, There's
just this plethora of information. How are you about the
missing persons? Do you think it is animal predation? Do
you think these people are having some kind of a
sickness situation? What is your theory on some of these cases? Ben?
Speaker 4: I'm glad you've taken such an interest in it too,
because now we have something else that we can talk about.
Kiffany and I talk about this all the time. It's
baffling to me. I'm not familiar with the gentlemen you
were just talking about. So send me his InFocus. I
want to look into it as well. You mentioned as
backpack being found three years later. That seems to be
rare because a lot of these nothing is found, no
piece of clothing, no backpack, nothing. How does that happen?
If a person gets attacked by an animal, say a bear,
You're gonna find a pretty gnarly scene somewhere. There's gonna
be pieces of them. Big cats drag them off. Eventually
you're gonna find where the remains are, and then other
smaller animals come in and scabbage and you might find
a piece of person here and then two miles away
another piece. But you're not even finding that. A whole
ass person just vanishes. And we even talked about this
on our episode that we did last night. We had
a gentleman on and he does a lot of his
research at Mount Saint Helens. He's a part of a
search and rescue team up there, and we got to
talk to him a little bit about the stuff that
he does. I said it to him, I've said it
on my show.
Speaker 2: I'll say it here.
Speaker 4: If you had told me five years ago that I
would say something like this, I'd call you crazy man.
The topic of portals, I don't know. I don't know
what to think about it. You got the Trinny Gibson
case in the Smoky Mountains. She disappeared just a few
years after the most famous infamous case to Dennis Martin case.
She happened just a few years after him in the
early to mid seventies. I think she was on a
class field trip, fifty other students and a chaperone. They're
walking on this trail, steps off trail to look at
a flower or something, because she was into plants and stuff,
steps off to look at it, and there is not
one trace of her ever seen again. She took just
two three steps off trail to look at something. Ben's
over and gone. How do we know that she didn't
take a couple of steps off trail and step into
a portal that just magically opened up. She's still out there,
trapped somewhere. Has it aged? What if Dennis Martin is
in the same place? Has it aged? I know I'm
talking about some wild, out there shit, But what else
do we have? Nothing makes sense about this stuff?
Speaker 2: Nothing. Yeah, there's some of those cases that I cover.
I covered Trenny Gibson's case earlier on in my series
over on Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, Dennis Martin, some of those
other cases. I think Bobby Bizup was another one, the
deaf kid. I think there was something way more nefarious
going on there. I think the Catholics were involved in that.
I'll probably have to cut that out, but I tend
to go to a place. I'm an Ockham's razor guy,
so I'll go to It was probably an accident animals
or human beings, because I tell you in the true
crime podcast that we do there's a guy called the
National Park Killer. He hunted in the national parks. Israel
Keys was a big guy back in the twenty twelve
twenty thirteen era who was hunting in national parks. He'd
go out in tent camp. He would pick his victims
at random. He was famous for that. He would literally
go into these areas in these parks and bury his
kill kids in these five gallon buckets. He'd come back
three years later, randomly pick a camper or a hiker,
snatch them off the trail, snatch them out of their tent,
murder them, bury them. They disappear. So I think there
are some rational explanations to some of these disappearances. But I, too,
like you, believe it is a possibility that we have
to consider that something very strange is happening here. I
don't know if it's alien abductions. I don't know if
these people are stepping into portals or whatever it is,
but it is absolutely fascinating to me that so many
of these cases. I think in Yosemite alone right now
thirty unsolved cases of these missing people that's never been
seen again. They just completely vanish off the face of
the earth. And these are some extensive searches that are
going on, albeit huge vast areas. There's areas they have
to cover with helicopters and search planes because people physically
can't access them safely. I think there's some logical explanations.
If you drop dead of a heart attack in a
very remote area where very few people are, animals likely
to grab you and maybe pull you off and make
it very difficult to find you. Absolutely, I don't know, man,
just it really fascinates me that this is going on,
and I don't think a lot of people know about it.
I don't think a lot of people pay attention to it.
You get the cases where people go missing in a
big city because there's other people around and it's a
big news story, but you go out in the middle
of the Yosemite National Park and disappear. In two thousand
twenty ten whatever. Very few people know that happened except
for your families, obviously. And that's the thing for me
in all these true crime cases is all the families.
I think about it. I try to go through. And
we started covering the Green River Killer this week, Gary Ridgeway,
and towards the end of my episode, I took the
time to say the names of every single one of
his victims, because that's truly what it's all about. It's
not about the killers, right. We all remember Jeffrey Dahmer,
we all remember Ted Bundy, we remember Gary Ridgeway, but
very few people remember the victims. And that's what it's
about for me with those missing persons cases. There are
people who listen to bigfoot stuff like our podcast in
this show, who are into Bigfoot, and there are people
out there who make a living insinuating that Bigfoot may
be taking these people and other weird shits happening. But
I'm not that guy, right, I just say, here's the facts.
This is some weird shit that was happening, the weather,
the rock formations, finding things in areas that were searched
ten times, and then you go back and you find
something that wasn't there before. It's just really weird stuff.
I digress. We're going to talk about Bigfoot. I promise
I would be remiss if I didn't get into this.
You guys know, at least I hope you know by
this point. I was a part of a documentary that
was filmed last year called My Bigfoot Life. We've talked
about Daniel before, Daniel Lee Barnett. He's now sixteen. When
I met Daniel, he was closer to thirteen, young autistic
boy from the United Kingdom who was selectively mute for
seven years. This kid did not verbally communicate with his parents,
his sibling, or anybody else for that matter. And the
only thing that really brought Daniel out of his shell
was getting into the show Finding Bigfoot and watching that
with his grams, and he started talking about Bigfoot, so
it literally brought him out of the shell. There's a
production company got together with his parents and his family
decided to make a documentary about his Bigfoot life, his
journey through Bigfoot, his interest in the subject. One of
the very first things he did was organize a conference
at fourteen years old. I think Ronnie LeBlanc flew over
Renee Holland flew over, Ryan RPG Golumbeskie flew over and
they filmed the first part of this documentary over in
the United Kingdom, and then when they brought it over
to the United States, they wanted to end up in
the Pacific Northwest, the home the mecca of Bigfoot. So
that's what we did. That's how I got involved in
the film. They asked me to be a part of that,
so I flew out to Washington State and we went
out on this journey together filming in Washington State, and
that's where I had my encounters. I had three encounters
with sasquatching two days daylight sighting and saw two of
these creatures that night during a filming. Of course, anytime
something new happens, whether it be a conference, a festival,
or a new documentary, if you dive into the Coalition
for Critical Thinking group on Facebook, they're going to post
about it.
Speaker 4: Word on the street Brian that maybe y'all didn't see
a Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, word on the street is maybe we saw an elk.
Long story short, I get this notification. I guess it
was yesterday. I went down this rabbit hole in the
Coalition group because I have been a member of that
group for several years. Regretfully, Steven Storyford, who is the founder,
a person who created the group, who's been in Bigfoot,
used to have the Bigfoot books spot out in the
Pacific Northwest burned down a couple of years ago. These guys,
if you're not familiar with the group, I don't know
how you couldn't be if you listen to this show.
But just in the off chance people are like, what
the fuck are they talking about? Basically, it's not a
group about critical thinking and Bigfoot research at all. I
would say ninety percent of the members in that group
are non believers. They don't believe Bigfoot is real, so
therefore anything to do with Bigfoot they see it as bullshit.
So most of the post over there are making fun
of people whatever. One of the things that was recently
announced about my Bigfoot Life documentary was it's going to
be shown at the Cannes Film Festival.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So that was a big deal for the production company. Obviously,
it was a big deal for Daniel and his parents
and his family and for all of us frankly who
was involved in that. That's a pretty big deal. Yeah,
the post that Steven put up was basically CANS with
a question mark. He's basically saying that he went to
the CANS website and he can't find the film, so
he's doing these screenshots and basically saying, you're lying. That's
basically what he's saying. Let's call it what it is.
He doesn't believe it's being shown at CANS, or at
least that's what he's insinuating. But some of the comments
that I want to address first and foremost come from Pat.
We've talked about Pat on the show before, from Georgia
from Squatch Talk. One of the first comments that he
said was word on the street, and I'm paraphrasing word
on the street is they saw an elk, not a bigfoot.
Basically that's what sent me down. The rabbit or you
know the thing that pisses me off about all of this.
I'll be honest with you. It's okay to post about things.
But here's the thing I don't get. If you weren't
a part of the project, if you weren't there, if
you haven't seen any of the footage, you haven't talked
directly to anyone, including me, who was involved in this
project from beginning to end. Why number one, do you
even have an opinion about something that you haven't seen?
And I'll address that. There's plenty of times I think
we all have streaming services. We don't have cable television.
We have a bunch of streaming services that we watch
television on. I see countless advertisements trailers for movies and
shows that I have zero fucking interest in ever watching.
Guess what I don't do. I don't go in my
Facebook group or anywhere else for that matter, and post
about this movie that I have no intention of ever watching.
I don't say anything about the people involved in the project.
I don't bad mouth what they did or didn't do,
or did see or didn't see. I don't do any
of those things. So it baffles me that grown ass
men that I assume have bills and jobs have nothing
better to do with their life than bash a documentary
about a now sixteen year old autistic kid who just
happens to enjoy the subject of Bigfoot. It absolutely baffles me,
So of course I go down the rabbit hole. I
can be quite aggressive sometimes if I want to be
when it comes to addressing some of these things head on,
because it bothers me so bad. I don't really give
a shit what people think about me, what you believe
to be true about me, I really don't care. But
when you're literally attacking a child, this kid is a
miner in this project. Although it has my Bigfoot Life
and the title, it's really not about Bigfoot. It's about
his journey. It's about his autism. It's about his family.
It's about the people that have rallied around him and
the family that he has come to find outside of
his Bigfoot journey while looking for this big, hairy creature.
So it just baffles me that anybody would have any opinions. Now,
if you've seen the film and you want to call bullshit,
because I do that sometimes. I've seen films. I didn't
necessarily care that much for Sasquatch Sunset, and I've made
that opinion abundantly clear. But I waited until I saw
the film. I was upset with the Flash of Beauty
documentary because of that ending scene where they had this
weird video of what looked like a purported Sasquatch, but
it was somebody in a suit. I had a problem
with that, and I've talked about it publicly. I don't
cast any stones that anybody involved. I just said, hey,
this is my opinion about that. But to not see something,
have no idea. You weren't there, you've seen none of
the footage, you've not talked to anybody involved in it.
But yet you're talking about it. And it's not just hey,
this is happening. It's a hey, this is happening. And
I think they're all full of shit because some of
the other comments were there's drama around the project with
Renee holland I'm not getting into that, Okay, I don't
want to talk about the drama. I want to talk
about the facts. Then you have these people in this
thread that are literally saying can we trust anything they say?
Can we trust any of the evidence that they present.
Somebody even said, hey, I'm not sure about these guys,
but Bobo was there, trust that he would never lie.
Pat said Bobo was there and they saw an ELK.
What does that say about him. There's a whole bunch
of things going on behind the scenes. But I guess
the bottom line for me that I want to address
with you is am I off base here? Am I
wrong in my assumptions that, sure, it's okay to talk
about something and give your opinion. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
I just don't understand the negativity, the attack that come
with someone doing a project like this from people who
have no idea what they're talking about.
Speaker 4: It's called just basic human decency, and a couple of
the people that I know we're talking about don't seem
to have that. One person in particular is so amazing.
He's such an expert at telling people what they experienced,
not listening to what they saw. No, you didn't see that,
that didn't happen. How can someone tell you it was
an elk You didn't see, big hood, dude, it was
an elk. You were there, You were feed away from it.
These other individuals were feed away from it seeing the
same thing you saw. This man that was two thousand
miles away, tell us you didn't know it was an elk.
How the fuck you know? Because he admittedly got it
second hand, so he got it from someone, but it
also wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not a part of that group. I was years ago,
and I got personally attacked by one of the members insulted. Basically,
it wasn't anything about Bigfoot, it was my appearance. Someone
insulted me as a man, so I defended myself and
then this huge group of people came and started attacking
me for attacking that person. So I left it. There's
nothing good comes out of that group. I'm sorry. I've
used my mermaid analogy so many times. I don't believe
in mermaids, but I'm never going to bash anybody that does.
So why the fuck are you no respect at all
for that group. I can't speak for everyone that's in it,
because I'm sure there are good people that are in it.
Most of them probably are. The beliefs are not mine.
I just want to stay away from it.
Speaker 2: I agree wholeheartedly, and it's really upsetting to me as
a person because I am no different than anybody else.
But I did spend sixteen years in law enforcement. I
am a trained observer. One of the other three people
that had one of these encounters on that trail that
night worked for the Queen's Guard. He protected the Queen
of England. He is also a trained observer, pretty important job,
and we were right there standing next to each other
and saw the exact same thing that's been described multiple
times now in multiple places, on multiple podcasts. We just
did an hour and forty five minute live over on
the Sasquatch Odyssey YouTube channel. You can also catch it
on Sasquatch Otssey. At some point in time, when I
get that edited, it'll come out in the audio form
where we talked about those experiences that we had collectively,
and we have receipts for that in many versions. I'll
just say that in forms of audio video and firsthand experience,
eyewitness experience. So here's what I say to anybody who
has a problem with what we did, or did not
experience what we did or did not see any of
the people involved in the project, just wait for it
to come out. It's going to be out later this year.
Reserve your opinions when you actually watch the film. I've
seen one of the final versions of the film. It
is a powerful movie. It's not about Bigfoot. It is
about this kid's journey. And if you're not touched by that, okay,
that's fine. It may not be you a cup of tea.
But I can tell you now, if you watch the film,
you will understand. So that's all I'm saying, just reserve
your judgment. You can have your opinions. I'm not trying
to say that somebody shouldn't have their opinion, but I
think your opinion has to be based on something. And
here's what I have a problem with in that coalition
group and for other people. Frankly, those opinions aren't based
on anything other than the fact that you think Bigfoot
doesn't exist. You think Bigfoot is bullshit, So therefore anything
that has anything to do with a Bigfoot means nothing
and it's all bullshit and we're all liars. Because I
said that to the group in some of the comments yesterday, said, look,
you're basically calling us liars. You're saying that we didn't
experience what we experienced. But yet you think this person's
going to tell you the truth versus us, Like, why
do you even have that ability to say that about people?
I don't know. It just really pissed me off. But
we're going to change subjects. Let's move into this interesting
video that I texted you pretty late last night. We've
had Logan on my show and had a conversation with
Logan about his cameras that he put up at Todd
Standings area up at Radium, he put out cameras. I
guess at this point it's been probably a couple of
years ago, maybe a year and a half ago. Through
the course of that year and a half, he sent
me some pretty interesting video clips. Honestly, we've talked about
the rock being thrown up at radium and some of
the other things that he's captured on video. And he's
frankly still going through the raw data at this point,
so there's no telling what he might have caught. But
from time to time I'll get a random text message
from Logan, or I'll get an email from Logan saying, hey,
I got this interesting thing that come up on the cameras.
I don't want to misspeak here, so I'll just say
a couple I don't know exactly how many areas that
he has these cameras up in now, but there's a
couple that are in the continental United States. I'll say
that at undisclosed locations. So last night, I'm sitting on
the couch. Danny's out of town, so I was sitting
here watching some true crime documentary on Netflix, chilling and
eating my Chipotle and I get this text message from
Logan that says, hey, man, I got this weird, anominaly
video that I want you to take a look at
from this location where I have cameras up just so
you know, the camera's about nine feet off the ground,
and this is what happened. So I clicked the video
and I just watched it. It's only I don't know,
a minute or so. So I watched it all the
way through. The first time, I didn't stop it, started
scrub it any of that stuff, and it was weird.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: You see this camera, there's this big bright light it
looks like to me, and I thought this was really weird.
If you slow it down, which I did the last
couple of times I watched the video, if you slow
it down and scrub it, like frame by frame, you
almost see the lens of the camera itself reflected in
the image that you see, Yeah, which is really weird.
And the only other time, frankly, that I've seen that
come up in relation to Bigfoot was Sasquatch, Ontario Mike
Patterson talking about it recently. That was one of the
photos that ended up on his camera, supposedly from these
Bigfoot I'll just leave that there, let that marinate, and
then come back to it. So I send this to you,
and after I send it to you, I started scrubbing
through this and using my finger on my iPhone just
to go literally frame by frame and after this bright
light I can only describe it as this. It looks
like the typical silhouette bulky version of a sasquatch, and
very bright light stepping into frame and some other weird
things going on with the lights. But there's this weird
texture looking stuff. If you really slow it down, it's
almost like a leopard pattern that I'm seeing on what
looks like possibly skin. But there's also this weird helped
me out wing. Would you describe it as a suiture? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It put me in mind. And I asked you, is
that a zipper? And you were really quick and adamant
to say, no, it's not a zipper. You're right, it's
probably not, but that's what it put me in mind of.
It's some kind of crease. This is fucking weird, dude.
I don't know what to make of this. It's like
supernatural sci fi alien abduction type shit. It's weird, dude,
I don't know and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Post this on my social media at bigfoot Bks on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,
you can see it over there. I'm going to post
it in our group here after we get finished recording
this episode today. I'm going to post it for you
guys to see, because I did get permission from Logan
to do that last night, because I want more eyeballs
on this because it is really weird. And I'm also
going to post the follow up photo because I was
asking some follow up questions. He and I have had
private conversations about possibly doing the same type of camera
set up here on our land in North Carolina. I
have some concerns about that, obviously, privacy concerns, but we've
actually had a conversation about that. But I asked him specifically.
I said, dude, are we sure? And I think my
exact words were that the landowners where you put these
cameras aren't fucking with you, because they're going to know
where these cameras are. It looks very remote, but obviously
if you come put cameras on my property, I'm going
to know where they are. So that's always first and foremost. Okay,
if this person knew where the camera was. Did they
go out there knowing that you were going to find
this foot and decide I'm going to give him something
that's worth his money and give him the money shot
and do some weird shit. He said, absolutely, hands down.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: These people are in their late sixties early seventies. They
have health issues, they can't physically navigate that area. And
this is nine feet off the ground. And there's a
photo that I will also post on my social media
so you guys can see it, and we'll have it
in the blog post for this episode. So if you
don't get the social media stuff and you want to
see it on the blog, head over to Panormal World
Productions dot com. Check out that Bigfoot podcast blog. At
the top of the page. You can see these photos
and video that Wayne and I are talking about. He
sent me a follow up photo and I don't even
know if I sent this to you, Wane, but it's
on a four foot tall chain link fence that's a
brown part of their property. And then this board that
he has the camera attached to is probably close to
nine feet off the ground. So it made perfect sense.
I even said to Logan, thank you so much for
the reference because I was having a hard time understanding
the setup here. But now when you see it on
the fence, you're going to be like, holy shit, this
thing was that tall and nine feet off the ground.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: It's weird, man, It's really weird. So I don't know
what to make of it. I agree with you. I
don't know if it's some kind of supernatural thing. Because
the lights and the reflectiveness of the ir is what
got me. I thought to myself, what kind of material
or what would be something that a person could wear
that would be reflective like that and show up on
the camera with these huge, strange light anomalies Before you
see what looks like this silhouette of a rather tall creature,
I'll say, walk in front of the camera.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, look at the crease in your
ball cap and compare it to discrease. It's pretty close.
Speaker 2: Ooh. The Sasquatch savat Ladies and Gentlemen is real time
debunking during the episode.
Speaker 4: I love it as much as I hate to admit it.
With all of the lights and the possible lens reflection
that you talked about just the weird shape. What if
there's a lot more to this wu crap. I don't
want to say crap, this woo stuff that you and
I aren't that big in. But people talk about them
popping out of lights, cloaking, seeing that stuff. What they
caught it on film?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's it. But if you're going to
claim to be open minded, you got to be open
minded about everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, man, My brain always goes more to
what if this was a dude walking up with a
flashlight and that's where the light anomaly was coming. Yeah,
But towards the end of the video, it's obviously a
screen grab that Logan recorded from his screen and sent
to us. Is it possible that somebody was out there
shining a flashlight and they see the camera and they
want to come get a close should look at the camera.
But towards the end the feed is cut and you
get this weird It's almost like in the seventies and
eighties when the TV would go off at night at
a certain time, you'd get those little colored lines or
whatever on the television. That's what it looks like at
the end, so I don't know. It's definitely a mystery
at this point. It was a mystery the logan, thus
why he sent it to me, and then I send
it on to you. So the more highs we have
on the mystery, you guys are always great at coming
up with theories of your own. So go check it
out on the blog, Go check it out on our
social media, and let us know what you think via email,
send some comments, let us know. Somebody may be able
to solve the mystery. Almost immediately, just the fact that
you looked at it and said, what if this is
a crease in your ball cap? But again, how tall
would you have to be? Somebody would have to be
on a ladder or standing on something to be as
high off the ground as this camera is. Again, Logan said,
it's about nine feet up where this camera is. And
if you look at the video, which I'm not doing now,
I'm going off memory from last night, it looks like
the camera is catching about mid what I would consider
being maybe mid back, right below the shoulder blades of
whatever this is. So how freaking tall would something have
to be You're talking mid back is nine feet tall
or just under the shoulders. Is that nine feet tall?
Speaker 4: It's like it's gliding past it, not taking a step.
It's like it's on a conveyor belt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really strange.
Speaker 4: We gotta ask before we move on, Brian, and I
know it's gonna come up. Yeah, I mean you, who
did you mention? It's a very beginning who His name
is attached to this Todd standing. So that's going to
be a red flag to everybody out there automatically, whether
he deserves it or not, no matter how good the
footage is, because his name's attached to it, you're gonna
have those questions.
Speaker 2: This did not come from radium. This is a different,
undisclosed location, so it's not radium. I didn't make that clear, Okay.
Speaker 4: I was just saying I was thinking it was a
part of that camera thing that he was doing in radium.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have made that clear. Logan has let's
say a couple I don't know how many exactly, but
he does have a couple of other locations where he
has these cameras outside of radium. This comes from one
of those other areas.
Speaker 4: Nothing to do with Todd Standing.
Speaker 2: Nothing to do with Todd Standing.
Speaker 4: Okay, good deal.
Speaker 2: All right, last thing before we get out of here.
This is something you and I have talked about quite
a bit on the show in the past. Is this
Todd Gatewood Patterson Gimlin film a restoration project that's going on.
I interviewed Todd last year at least one part interview
with he and MK Davis. We had the second interview
scheduled and he flipped the script on me and that
did not happen. We've talked about all that on the
show in the past, but something that has always stuck
with me. We've talked about it just in the last
few episodes here. I think about whether he had the
whole film or not, because we've only seen that one
frame that he's produced thus far, which is frame three
point fifty two, that everybody in the world at this
point has seen. And I even said to you at postulated,
does he actually have the whole film? And is he
actually doing this or is this all just a ruse
pulling the wool over all of our eyes. I had
a private conversation with somebody a couple of days ago
and this subject came up, and I mentioned Todd Gatewood
and the film, and it was one of those eye
roll oh not that guy conversations, and I said something
about I have always wondered this is the big question
for me, not just whether he was using AI or not.
I think that's pretty much been put to bed as
far as I'm concerned. But where did he get his
copy of this film? I even said, I think on
this very show to you. Did he pull it off
the internet? Is this guy literally working from screenshots of
the Patterson Gimlin film from the Internet. The person I
was having this conversation with said, no, that's not how
it happened. I have the inside scoop. I know where
he got the film and how he got the copy
of the film that he's working with, But I don't
want to go on record and talk about it. I'm
not into the drama. I'm doing my own thing. That's
not my spiel, that's not my stick, but I know
it is for you. So let me get with the
person that Todd got his copy of the film from
and see if they would be willing to talk to
you on record about that meeting, that agreement, and what
transpired and how he ultimately ended up with the copy
of the film that he has. That is happening. I
was literally on the phone with that person this morning.
We are working to get dates and times together within
the next four or five days, we're going to sit
down and do this interview and get at least their
side of the story, because there's always two sides to
every story, full transparency. The person I was having this
conversation with said to me, look, I'm only getting this
one side of the story from this person who claims
that this is how this went down. That's a pretty
common thing, right, That's why I'm trying to go to
the source for the podcast and say, hey, you were there,
this is your side of the story. So that's going
to happen. I guess the thing that comes up for
me is I've went back and albeit it's only this
is all transpired since yesterday, so within the last twenty
four hours, so I've had very little time to prepare
and do a deep dive into some of these subjects.
But the person I was having a conversation with said, look,
there was a very public falling out on Facebook. So
if you go back and look at Todd's Facebook and
this person's Facebook, if it hasn't been deleted, those conversations
are still there. So the person that I'm setting up
the interview with where Todd allegedly got his copy of
the film, is doing that research for me, and hopefully
we'll send that to me so I'll be able to
read up on that before the interview and be a
little bit more up to speed, if you will. So
there clearly is a public record of these people knowing
each other. Number One. That kind of checks a box
for me as an investigator. Number Two, this person said,
I'm going to send you some photos as I'm looking
for that of this meeting that took place when Todd
was here. That's a pretty good indication that this person
is telling the truth right at least they were in
the same room for this picture to be made. So
there's a lot of theirs there. And I tried to
go back within the last twenty four hours and look
as much into read it. I looked into some of
the stuff online. I looked on YouTube. I was trying
to find anywhere where Gatewood had actually explained to anybody
in public where he got his copy that he's working from.
And I thought there were some mentions I could not
remember if it was on YouTube, if if it was
in an interview. But I looked back through my personal
thread conversation on Facebook messenger with Todd and he mentions
this person specifically how he's working to not only do
what he's doing for Roger and his legacy, but also
to get the truth out for this person. So there's
a lot of connected dots there For me, at least
as an investigator, if I were investigating a crime that
somebody had alleged that went on, I would at least
have reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime was afoot at
this point, let's just put it that way. So that's
what I'm doing. I'm getting into it. Obviously. I don't
like dealing in inn window. I like to go straight
to the source. Although I very much trust the person
that I was talking with as far as my contact
or confidant, my deep throat if you will, that was
telling me about the story in the beginning, but I
wanted to get it directly from the horse's mouth. That's
what I'm doing. I guess the only public challenge I
have is Todd Gatewood. We would love to have your
side of the story. Where did you get the copy
of the film, what's the backstory there. It's like the
chain of custody, right if somebody handed you this and said,
hey man, I think there's DNA here that's going to
prove that Wayne killed Tiffany. Okay, where did you get that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. Then you're screwed. There's no chain
of custody there, right, So as a cop, I'm going
to go that evidence doesn't mean shit to me. So
I just challenged Todd, where did you get your copy
of the film? How did you come about it, Where
did it come from? And is the person that you
got it from okay? With the fact that you're doing
what you're doing with the film. You're selling mugs, you're
selling prints, you're selling a rug, whatever you're selling with
frame three, p. Fifty two on it, Are they okay
with that? That's all I'm asking. So we're going to
get one side of the story. There's always the other
side of the story. And frankly, as far as I know,
Todd's still alive, he's still breathing, he's still upright, so
he has the opportunity to tell us his side of
the story. How do you feel about this? I know
you roll your eyes when it comes to the Patterson
Gamblin film like a lot of people, because again it's
one of those horses that we've beaten to death. But
it goes back to I think, in my opinion, at
least some of the foundation of the show was if
somebody's out there hoaxing, if somebody's out there putting out bullshit,
we're going to call it out. If you're going to
take arguably the most famous piece of evidence slash footage
in the history of the Bigfoot's phenomenon, and you're going
to do something like Todd Gatewood is purporting that he's
doing with this film, I think you are under a
higher degree of scrutiny than most. It's almost like Carl Sagan, right,
you're making extraordinary claims, Todd about this film and what
you're going to be able to do with it. So
those extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and part of that evidence,
in my opinion, is where did you get it to
start with. It's like me saying, I'm gonna analyze the
footprints from Bluff Creek. I'm gonna look at the cast.
Where'd the cast come from? I can say I got
him from Meldrum. Well, where'd Meldrum get him from he
got them directly from Renee Dehindon, who was fucking there
and did them or Bob Tittmus or whoever. Okay, that's
the chain of custody. I can work with that. But
if I can't answer that question, Oh I think I
bought them offline? Oh they come from t MoU. Somebody
on tam moo sold one of the Bluff Creek prints.
What does that do to my evidence? So if I'm
working from a point where my evidence is questionable, then
anything I say about that evidence or anything I do
with that evidence after that really doesn't mean shit because
the chain of custody is broken. I guess my question
for you before we get out of here, Wayne, is
where are you on the whole Patterson Gimlin film Gatewood mystery.
Does it really matter to you as a person where
or how he got his copy of the film or
is it more about what he's doing with it or
is it accommodation of both for you?
Speaker 4: I mean it does matter, but very much. AM not
an expert in video and video editing. Things you can
and can't do with video, So clarify this for me.
Maybe you don't even know, can someone like myself or you,
can we not just go to YouTube watch a copy
of the original, make our own copy and do what
he's doing, or do you have to have an original?
Speaker 2: I think you could certainly do that. I think the
question there would be is the quality of the video
that you have that you're starting from. Obviously you would
want something as close to the original as you could
possibly get. Most of us in Bigfoot know that, allegedly
the story is the original is completely gone, so all
we have is like the second, third, fourth, fifth, and
so on generation of the film that people have that
they work from to do anything. I don't know. I'm
not a student enough, very much like you. I don't
purport to be any kind of video expert by any
stretch of the imagination. I don't know what MK Davis got.
I don't know where he got it.
Speaker 4: My next question now, why aren't we scrutinizing MK Davis
as much because he was doing this before Gatewood? Where
did MK Davis get his?
Speaker 2: And the same thing for Bill Muns. I think Bill Munns,
as far as I remember the story, actually went to
Patricia Patterson's house and did what he was doing. So
he was working with. At least we know her copy.
I think it was very similar for Bill Munns. Again,
I'm not a student enough to know. I'm sure people
are probably going they're probably rolling their eyes, go hu
do these guys call them? So it's a Bigfoot researcher
when they don't know all of these facts. But it
is what it is, right, we don't have all the facts. Literally,
the person who answered the phone when I had this
conversation about the person I'm going to interview yesterday said,
oh God, why don't people just do their own research?
Which I took offense too. Now that I think about it,
I was like, wait, what the fuck? But anyway, some
of us aren't privy to that. Us don't have that
information like other people do. Some of it's out there
on the internet. But again, just because you read it
in a Reddit thread, does it mean it really happened
that way? You can go to Reddit right now, or
to say Bill Munn's got the film five different ways.
Who's to know what's true? I like to go directly
to the source. So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And it appears, at least at this point, it's unconfirmed
to me, honestly because I haven't had the interview, but
I'm feeling pretty good about this person's story, and this
person's story is not the best for Todd Gatewood. I'll
just say that. I'll say that we make no accusations here.
I'm not going to make any accusations on my show.
But from what I've gotten from this person, and again
we'll hear it directly from them on the interview, is
that it appears that there might be some questionable tactics
used to acquire this version of the film.
Speaker 4: They could be very damaging to someone in the work
that they're doing.
Speaker 2: I think that's an accurate statement. We'll leave it up
to you, guys. Once we get the interview done and
you're able to hear it for yourself, then you can
make up your own mind and have your own opinions.
But I think it's important that anybody in this and
I said it to the person I was on the
phone with yesterday, people question my evidence, they question my experiences,
they question everything I do because I've put myself out
into public, very much like you anybody who does a
podcast and put your voice or your likeness out in
the public zeitgeist for anybody to consume. You by default
become a public figure, and there is an extra layer
of scrutiny, whether you like it or not, when you
are a public figure doing what we do in Bigfoot.
I get that. I have no problems with anybody questioning
anything I've ever said, purported or done in public or private.
I don't have any issues with that. So I think
if you're going to do something like this as ambitious
as I'm going to take the Patterson Gimlin film and
make it the best thing it's ever been because I'm
the only one able to do it, and then you're
going to start selling shit related to it, and I
don't care where the money's going. It's purported to go
to this charity or whatever. Oh okay, great, if you're
doing great works, good on you, dude. You're getting some
kind of calmer points. Fantastic. I don't really give a shit.
But if you're going to do that, you owe the
people that are consuming your product, whatever that is, whether
it be a video on YouTube or whether it be
a mug with frame three fifty two on it, I
think you owe them some level of accountability when it
comes to where that came from, who you got it from,
how did you get it, and is that person okay
with what you're doing with it right now today? That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know anybody out there that would
disagree with that. Most of us wouldn't. Maybe someone does.
Speaker 2: There might be a couple, but I think we've beaten
enough horses to death. As always, my friend, you get
the last word on the show.
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