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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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Speaker 2: Way, what's going on, man?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: What's up buddy? Happy Mother's Day to you? Oh thank you.

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Speaker 2: If I was a mother, I would be so elated.

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Did you tell me Happy Mother's Day? Happy Mother's Day

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to you. You're the next best thing. You are a

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father to multiple children. But it's not your day, dude,

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No it's not. I'm sitting here in the rain in

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the middle of North cal I feel like it has

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rained every fricking day for the last month here. I

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know that's not accurate, but that's what it feels like.

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I went out to walk the dogs this morning and

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it was born down rain and it's still raining here now.

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It is what it is. It's still a lovely Sunday.

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As we tend to record these on Sunday. You guys

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hear them on Friday, Wayne and I record them on Sunday.

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That is the magic of podcasting. You never know what's

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going on. You don't even know if we're wearing pants

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right now. We could be completely naked. You would never know. No,

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but what's been going on with you? Man? You got

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anything new and exciting going on in your life?

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Speaker 4: I am currently wearing pants, so we'll go ahead and

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get that out there. But no, just stoodn't plugging away

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at the podcast Shinda put out new content as often

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as I can. As we said jokingly talked about Mother's Day.

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I do want to wish all the moms out there

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a very happy Mother's Day, special day. If you are

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blessed enough to have an awesome mother, let her know

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if she's still around. Mine is not the car Mama,

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Tell you lover do it every day, not just Mother's

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Day or Birthday's. Happy Mother's Day. Tell you beautiful mothers

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out there. But yeah, man, just plugging away, working, just

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getting ready for a busy season coming up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I was looking at the calendar. We have

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a pretty chill may it looked like it might turn around.

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That might end up making the trip over to the UK,

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but a last that is not going to happen. So

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I got a kind of chill may and I'm actually

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looking forward to it because I'm busier than a one

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on paper hanger with all these freaking podcasts. Man, I

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didn't realize how much work putting out three episodes a

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week of a true crime podcast was going to be.

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It's a ton of research, it's a ton of writing,

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it's a ton of recording, it's a ton of editing.

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Danny bless Us Hearty does a fantastic job with the show.

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He's doing his own episode called Rewired in the middle

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of the week. We put those out on Wednesday, and

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then we come together on Friday and do a co

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hosted episode of that podcast. But I still do all

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the editing and pre and post production on those episodes.

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What a pain in the ass that can be. Just

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putting intros in outros, in changing things up, finding the

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right music that goes underneath the narration. It's a lot

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of work. And Backwoods Bigfoot stories, I think I said

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it last week has been one of my favorite outlets

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because I love getting into those stories. I love reading

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those stories myself and then I get to narrate them

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for everybody else, and I'm doing this National Park Nightmares

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is what I'm calling it. But it's basically missing persons

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cases from all the national parks and areas that are

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right next to national parks, and I truly get into

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some of those cases. It is some of the most fascinating.

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It's really sad, obviously, but it is so fascinating to

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me that these people basically park the car, they walk

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onto a trail that they've been on, sometimes hundreds of times,

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and then they just fucking vanish into thin air. Man,

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you do your own thing on your podcast with these

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missing persons, Does that ever just make you go, what

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the absolute fuck is going on? I know that the

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vastness of wilderness, I could literally disappear here on my

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forty acres and it would be hard to find me.

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I get that, but there's just something about this. I

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just did this story about a gentleman who was seventy

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four years old. He went out to this area in Yosemite,

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there for decades. Right. He'd get out, do his tent

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camp and then he'd go hike. He'd do a five

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mile hikes'd hike out two and a half miles and

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come back. Sometimes he'd hike five miles and come back,

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but that was as far out as he would go.

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this hike and disappeared, and his doctor told him he

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had the heart of a twenty something year old. Right,

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the woods and disappear. But he did. He walked into

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the woods and was never seen again. Back in two

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thousand and six, they found his backpack sitting under a

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tree eight miles away from where he was camped, three

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years after he disappeared. Still had food in it, expired

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granola bars, a half a bottle of water, all the

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things that you would expect to be in a day

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pack for somebody doing a five mile hike. But it's

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found three years after the fact, eight miles away, outside

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of the search parameter that the Star team had been

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looking in. It just never ceases to amaze me, man,

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it is such a rabbit hole. I'm on volume nine.

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I think I just put out today as we record this.

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do one of these cases, it just baffles me. Are

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you the same way? Do you scratch your head? Does

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it keep you up at night going what in the

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fuck is happening to these people? Are they disappearing because

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of animal predation? Is it something to do with other humans?

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don't know, man, but it really keeps me coming back

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to the well. And there's so many of them, There's

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just this plethora of information. How are you about the

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missing persons? Do you think it is animal predation? Do

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you think these people are having some kind of a

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sickness situation? What is your theory on some of these cases? Ben?

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you've taken such an interest in it too,

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because now we have something else that we can talk about.

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Kiffany and I talk about this all the time. It's

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baffling to me. I'm not familiar with the gentlemen you

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were just talking about. So send me his InFocus. I

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want to look into it as well. You mentioned as

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backpack being found three years later. That seems to be

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rare because a lot of these nothing is found, no

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piece of clothing, no backpack, nothing. How does that happen?

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be pieces of them. Big cats drag them off. Eventually

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you're gonna find where the remains are, and then other

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smaller animals come in and scabbage and you might find

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a piece of person here and then two miles away

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another piece. But you're not even finding that. A whole

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ass person just vanishes. And we even talked about this

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a gentleman on and he does a lot of his

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research at Mount Saint Helens. He's a part of a

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search and rescue team up there, and we got to

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talk to him a little bit about the stuff that

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he does. I said it to him, I've said it

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Speaker 2: I'll say it here.

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Speaker 4: If you had told me five years ago that I

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would say something like this, I'd call you crazy man.

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The topic of portals, I don't know. I don't know

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what to think about it. You got the Trinny Gibson

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case in the Smoky Mountains. She disappeared just a few

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years after the most famous infamous case to Dennis Martin case.

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early to mid seventies. I think she was on a

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class field trip, fifty other students and a chaperone. They're

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walking on this trail, steps off trail to look at

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a flower or something, because she was into plants and stuff,

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steps off to look at it, and there is not

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one trace of her ever seen again. She took just

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two three steps off trail to look at something. Ben's

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over and gone. How do we know that she didn't

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take a couple of steps off trail and step into

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a portal that just magically opened up. She's still out there,

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trapped somewhere. Has it aged? What if Dennis Martin is

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in the same place? Has it aged? I know I'm

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talking about some wild, out there shit, But what else

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do we have? Nothing makes sense about this stuff?

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Speaker 2: Nothing. Yeah, there's some of those cases that I cover.

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over on Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, Dennis Martin, some of those

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other cases. I think Bobby Bizup was another one, the

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deaf kid. I think there was something way more nefarious

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going on there. I think the Catholics were involved in that.

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I'll probably have to cut that out, but I tend

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to go to a place. I'm an Ockham's razor guy,

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so I'll go to It was probably an accident animals

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or human beings, because I tell you in the true

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crime podcast that we do there's a guy called the

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National Park Killer. He hunted in the national parks. Israel

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twenty thirteen era who was hunting in national parks. He'd

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go out in tent camp. He would pick his victims

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go into these areas in these parks and bury his

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kill kids in these five gallon buckets. He'd come back

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three years later, randomly pick a camper or a hiker,

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snatch them off the trail, snatch them out of their tent,

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murder them, bury them. They disappear. So I think there

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are some rational explanations to some of these disappearances. But I, too,

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like you, believe it is a possibility that we have

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to consider that something very strange is happening here. I

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don't know if it's alien abductions. I don't know if

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these people are stepping into portals or whatever it is,

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but it is absolutely fascinating to me that so many

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of these cases. I think in Yosemite alone right now

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thirty unsolved cases of these missing people that's never been

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seen again. They just completely vanish off the face of

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the earth. And these are some extensive searches that are

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going on, albeit huge vast areas. There's areas they have

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to cover with helicopters and search planes because people physically

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can't access them safely. I think there's some logical explanations.

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to grab you and maybe pull you off and make

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it very difficult to find you. Absolutely, I don't know, man,

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just it really fascinates me that this is going on,

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and I don't think a lot of people know about it.

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I don't think a lot of people pay attention to it.

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big city because there's other people around and it's a

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big news story, but you go out in the middle

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of the Yosemite National Park and disappear. In two thousand

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twenty ten whatever. Very few people know that happened except

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for your families, obviously. And that's the thing for me

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in all these true crime cases is all the families.

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I think about it. I try to go through. And

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we started covering the Green River Killer this week, Gary Ridgeway,

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and towards the end of my episode, I took the

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time to say the names of every single one of

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his victims, because that's truly what it's all about. It's

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not about the killers, right. We all remember Jeffrey Dahmer,

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we all remember Ted Bundy, we remember Gary Ridgeway, but

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very few people remember the victims. And that's what it's

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about for me with those missing persons cases. There are

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people who listen to bigfoot stuff like our podcast in

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this show, who are into Bigfoot, and there are people

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out there who make a living insinuating that Bigfoot may

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be taking these people and other weird shits happening. But

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I'm not that guy, right, I just say, here's the facts.

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This is some weird shit that was happening, the weather,

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the rock formations, finding things in areas that were searched

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ten times, and then you go back and you find

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something that wasn't there before. It's just really weird stuff.

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I digress. We're going to talk about Bigfoot. I promise

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I would be remiss if I didn't get into this.

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this point. I was a part of a documentary that

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about Daniel before, Daniel Lee Barnett. He's now sixteen. When

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I met Daniel, he was closer to thirteen, young autistic

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boy from the United Kingdom who was selectively mute for

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seven years. This kid did not verbally communicate with his parents,

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his sibling, or anybody else for that matter. And the

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only thing that really brought Daniel out of his shell

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was getting into the show Finding Bigfoot and watching that

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with his grams, and he started talking about Bigfoot, so

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it literally brought him out of the shell. There's a

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production company got together with his parents and his family

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decided to make a documentary about his Bigfoot life, his

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journey through Bigfoot, his interest in the subject. One of

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the very first things he did was organize a conference

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at fourteen years old. I think Ronnie LeBlanc flew over

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Renee Holland flew over, Ryan RPG Golumbeskie flew over and

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they filmed the first part of this documentary over in

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the United Kingdom, and then when they brought it over

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to the United States, they wanted to end up in

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the Pacific Northwest, the home the mecca of Bigfoot. So

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that's what we did. That's how I got involved in

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the film. They asked me to be a part of that,

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so I flew out to Washington State and we went

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out on this journey together filming in Washington State, and

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that's where I had my encounters. I had three encounters

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with sasquatching two days daylight sighting and saw two of

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these creatures that night during a filming. Of course, anytime

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something new happens, whether it be a conference, a festival,

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or a new documentary, if you dive into the Coalition

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for Critical Thinking group on Facebook, they're going to post

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about it.

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Speaker 4: Word on the street Brian that maybe y'all didn't see

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a Bigfoot.

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was yesterday. I went down this rabbit hole in the

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Coalition group because I have been a member of that

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group for several years. Regretfully, Steven Storyford, who is the founder,

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a person who created the group, who's been in Bigfoot,

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used to have the Bigfoot books spot out in the

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Pacific Northwest burned down a couple of years ago. These guys,

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if you're not familiar with the group, I don't know

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how you couldn't be if you listen to this show.

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But just in the off chance people are like, what

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the fuck are they talking about? Basically, it's not a

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group about critical thinking and Bigfoot research at all. I

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would say ninety percent of the members in that group

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are non believers. They don't believe Bigfoot is real, so

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therefore anything to do with Bigfoot they see it as bullshit.

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of people whatever. One of the things that was recently

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announced about my Bigfoot Life documentary was it's going to

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be shown at the Cannes Film Festival.

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be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 2: So that was a big deal for the production company. Obviously,

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it was a big deal for Daniel and his parents

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and his family and for all of us frankly who

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was involved in that. That's a pretty big deal. Yeah,

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the post that Steven put up was basically CANS with

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a question mark. He's basically saying that he went to

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the CANS website and he can't find the film, so

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he's doing these screenshots and basically saying, you're lying. That's

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basically what he's saying. Let's call it what it is.

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He doesn't believe it's being shown at CANS, or at

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least that's what he's insinuating. But some of the comments

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that I want to address first and foremost come from Pat.

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We've talked about Pat on the show before, from Georgia

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from Squatch Talk. One of the first comments that he

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said was word on the street, and I'm paraphrasing word

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on the street is they saw an elk, not a bigfoot.

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Basically that's what sent me down. The rabbit or you

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know the thing that pisses me off about all of this.

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I'll be honest with you. It's okay to post about things.

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But here's the thing I don't get. If you weren't

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a part of the project, if you weren't there, if

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you haven't seen any of the footage, you haven't talked

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directly to anyone, including me, who was involved in this

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project from beginning to end. Why number one, do you

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even have an opinion about something that you haven't seen?

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And I'll address that. There's plenty of times I think

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we all have streaming services. We don't have cable television.

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We have a bunch of streaming services that we watch

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television on. I see countless advertisements trailers for movies and

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shows that I have zero fucking interest in ever watching.

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Guess what I don't do. I don't go in my

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Facebook group or anywhere else for that matter, and post

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about this movie that I have no intention of ever watching.

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I don't say anything about the people involved in the project.

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I don't bad mouth what they did or didn't do,

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or did see or didn't see. I don't do any

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of those things. So it baffles me that grown ass

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men that I assume have bills and jobs have nothing

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better to do with their life than bash a documentary

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about a now sixteen year old autistic kid who just

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happens to enjoy the subject of Bigfoot. It absolutely baffles me,

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So of course I go down the rabbit hole. I

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can be quite aggressive sometimes if I want to be

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when it comes to addressing some of these things head on,

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because it bothers me so bad. I don't really give

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a shit what people think about me, what you believe

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to be true about me, I really don't care. But

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when you're literally attacking a child, this kid is a

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miner in this project. Although it has my Bigfoot Life

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and the title, it's really not about Bigfoot. It's about

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his journey. It's about his autism. It's about his family.

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It's about the people that have rallied around him and

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the family that he has come to find outside of

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his Bigfoot journey while looking for this big, hairy creature.

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So it just baffles me that anybody would have any opinions. Now,

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if you've seen the film and you want to call bullshit,

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because I do that sometimes. I've seen films. I didn't

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necessarily care that much for Sasquatch Sunset, and I've made

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that opinion abundantly clear. But I waited until I saw

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the film. I was upset with the Flash of Beauty

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documentary because of that ending scene where they had this

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weird video of what looked like a purported Sasquatch, but

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it was somebody in a suit. I had a problem

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with that, and I've talked about it publicly. I don't

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cast any stones that anybody involved. I just said, hey,

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this is my opinion about that. But to not see something,

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have no idea. You weren't there, you've seen none of

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the footage, you've not talked to anybody involved in it.

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But yet you're talking about it. And it's not just hey,

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this is happening. It's a hey, this is happening. And

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I think they're all full of shit because some of

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the other comments were there's drama around the project with

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Renee holland I'm not getting into that, Okay, I don't

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want to talk about the drama. I want to talk

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about the facts. Then you have these people in this

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thread that are literally saying can we trust anything they say?

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Can we trust any of the evidence that they present.

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Somebody even said, hey, I'm not sure about these guys,

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but Bobo was there, trust that he would never lie.

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Pat said Bobo was there and they saw an ELK.

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What does that say about him. There's a whole bunch

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of things going on behind the scenes. But I guess

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the bottom line for me that I want to address

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with you is am I off base here? Am I

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wrong in my assumptions that, sure, it's okay to talk

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about something and give your opinion. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.

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I just don't understand the negativity, the attack that come

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with someone doing a project like this from people who

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have no idea what they're talking about.

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Speaker 4: It's called just basic human decency, and a couple of

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the people that I know we're talking about don't seem

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to have that. One person in particular is so amazing.

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He's such an expert at telling people what they experienced,

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not listening to what they saw. No, you didn't see that,

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that didn't happen. How can someone tell you it was

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an elk You didn't see, big hood, dude, it was

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an elk. You were there, You were feed away from it.

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These other individuals were feed away from it seeing the

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same thing you saw. This man that was two thousand

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miles away, tell us you didn't know it was an elk.

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How the fuck you know? Because he admittedly got it

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second hand, so he got it from someone, but it

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also wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a part of that group. I was years ago,

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and I got personally attacked by one of the members insulted. Basically,

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it wasn't anything about Bigfoot, it was my appearance. Someone

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insulted me as a man, so I defended myself and

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then this huge group of people came and started attacking

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me for attacking that person. So I left it. There's

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nothing good comes out of that group. I'm sorry. I've

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used my mermaid analogy so many times. I don't believe

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in mermaids, but I'm never going to bash anybody that does.

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So why the fuck are you no respect at all

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for that group. I can't speak for everyone that's in it,

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because I'm sure there are good people that are in it.

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Most of them probably are. The beliefs are not mine.

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I just want to stay away from it.

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Speaker 2: I agree wholeheartedly, and it's really upsetting to me as

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a person because I am no different than anybody else.

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But I did spend sixteen years in law enforcement. I

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am a trained observer. One of the other three people

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that had one of these encounters on that trail that

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night worked for the Queen's Guard. He protected the Queen

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of England. He is also a trained observer, pretty important job,

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and we were right there standing next to each other

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and saw the exact same thing that's been described multiple

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times now in multiple places, on multiple podcasts. We just

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did an hour and forty five minute live over on

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the Sasquatch Odyssey YouTube channel. You can also catch it

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on Sasquatch Otssey. At some point in time, when I

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get that edited, it'll come out in the audio form

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where we talked about those experiences that we had collectively,

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and we have receipts for that in many versions. I'll

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just say that in forms of audio video and firsthand experience,

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eyewitness experience. So here's what I say to anybody who

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has a problem with what we did, or did not

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experience what we did or did not see any of

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the people involved in the project, just wait for it

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to come out. It's going to be out later this year.

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Reserve your opinions when you actually watch the film. I've

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seen one of the final versions of the film. It

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is a powerful movie. It's not about Bigfoot. It is

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about this kid's journey. And if you're not touched by that, okay,

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that's fine. It may not be you a cup of tea.

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But I can tell you now, if you watch the film,

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you will understand. So that's all I'm saying, just reserve

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your judgment. You can have your opinions. I'm not trying

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to say that somebody shouldn't have their opinion, but I

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think your opinion has to be based on something. And

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here's what I have a problem with in that coalition

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group and for other people. Frankly, those opinions aren't based

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on anything other than the fact that you think Bigfoot

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doesn't exist. You think Bigfoot is bullshit, So therefore anything

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that has anything to do with a Bigfoot means nothing

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and it's all bullshit and we're all liars. Because I

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said that to the group in some of the comments yesterday, said, look,

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you're basically calling us liars. You're saying that we didn't

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experience what we experienced. But yet you think this person's

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going to tell you the truth versus us, Like, why

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do you even have that ability to say that about people?

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I don't know. It just really pissed me off. But

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we're going to change subjects. Let's move into this interesting

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video that I texted you pretty late last night. We've

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had Logan on my show and had a conversation with

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Logan about his cameras that he put up at Todd

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Standings area up at Radium, he put out cameras. I

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guess at this point it's been probably a couple of

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years ago, maybe a year and a half ago. Through

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the course of that year and a half, he sent

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me some pretty interesting video clips. Honestly, we've talked about

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the rock being thrown up at radium and some of

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the other things that he's captured on video. And he's

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frankly still going through the raw data at this point,

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so there's no telling what he might have caught. But

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from time to time I'll get a random text message

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from Logan, or I'll get an email from Logan saying, hey,

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I got this interesting thing that come up on the cameras.

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I don't want to misspeak here, so I'll just say

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a couple I don't know exactly how many areas that

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he has these cameras up in now, but there's a

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couple that are in the continental United States. I'll say

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00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,160
that at undisclosed locations. So last night, I'm sitting on

474
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,400
the couch. Danny's out of town, so I was sitting

475
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,680
here watching some true crime documentary on Netflix, chilling and

476
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440
eating my Chipotle and I get this text message from

477
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,880
Logan that says, hey, man, I got this weird, anominaly

478
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,000
video that I want you to take a look at

479
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:45,440
from this location where I have cameras up just so

480
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,839
you know, the camera's about nine feet off the ground,

481
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,599
and this is what happened. So I clicked the video

482
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,400
and I just watched it. It's only I don't know,

483
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,799
a minute or so. So I watched it all the

484
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,079
way through. The first time, I didn't stop it, started

485
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000
scrub it any of that stuff, and it was weird.

486
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: Dude.

487
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: You see this camera, there's this big bright light it

488
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,880
looks like to me, and I thought this was really weird.

489
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,759
If you slow it down, which I did the last

490
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,599
couple of times I watched the video, if you slow

491
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,920
it down and scrub it, like frame by frame, you

492
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:24,240
almost see the lens of the camera itself reflected in

493
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:28,920
the image that you see, Yeah, which is really weird.

494
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,160
And the only other time, frankly, that I've seen that

495
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:35,640
come up in relation to Bigfoot was Sasquatch, Ontario Mike

496
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Patterson talking about it recently. That was one of the

497
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,839
photos that ended up on his camera, supposedly from these

498
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,880
Bigfoot I'll just leave that there, let that marinate, and

499
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,000
then come back to it. So I send this to you,

500
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,680
and after I send it to you, I started scrubbing

501
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160
through this and using my finger on my iPhone just

502
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,039
to go literally frame by frame and after this bright

503
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,279
light I can only describe it as this. It looks

504
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:08,759
like the typical silhouette bulky version of a sasquatch, and

505
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:14,160
very bright light stepping into frame and some other weird

506
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,759
things going on with the lights. But there's this weird

507
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,119
texture looking stuff. If you really slow it down, it's

508
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,680
almost like a leopard pattern that I'm seeing on what

509
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:28,759
looks like possibly skin. But there's also this weird helped

510
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,680
me out wing. Would you describe it as a suiture? Yeah?

511
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: It put me in mind. And I asked you, is

512
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:39,000
that a zipper? And you were really quick and adamant

513
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,720
to say, no, it's not a zipper. You're right, it's

514
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,720
probably not, but that's what it put me in mind of.

515
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,240
It's some kind of crease. This is fucking weird, dude.

516
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,079
I don't know what to make of this. It's like

517
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:57,799
supernatural sci fi alien abduction type shit. It's weird, dude,

518
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:59,759
I don't know and I'm gonna.

519
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:05,839
Speaker 2: Post this on my social media at bigfoot Bks on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,

520
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,519
you can see it over there. I'm going to post

521
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,119
it in our group here after we get finished recording

522
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,920
this episode today. I'm going to post it for you

523
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960
guys to see, because I did get permission from Logan

524
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:16,680
to do that last night, because I want more eyeballs

525
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,240
on this because it is really weird. And I'm also

526
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,079
going to post the follow up photo because I was

527
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,200
asking some follow up questions. He and I have had

528
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,640
private conversations about possibly doing the same type of camera

529
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,599
set up here on our land in North Carolina. I

530
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,799
have some concerns about that, obviously, privacy concerns, but we've

531
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,799
actually had a conversation about that. But I asked him specifically.

532
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,400
I said, dude, are we sure? And I think my

533
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,720
exact words were that the landowners where you put these

534
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,559
cameras aren't fucking with you, because they're going to know

535
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920
where these cameras are. It looks very remote, but obviously

536
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,680
if you come put cameras on my property, I'm going

537
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440
to know where they are. So that's always first and foremost. Okay,

538
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,839
if this person knew where the camera was. Did they

539
00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:59,599
go out there knowing that you were going to find

540
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880
this foot and decide I'm going to give him something

541
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,640
that's worth his money and give him the money shot

542
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,599
and do some weird shit. He said, absolutely, hands down.

543
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: No.

544
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: These people are in their late sixties early seventies. They

545
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,359
have health issues, they can't physically navigate that area. And

546
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,160
this is nine feet off the ground. And there's a

547
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,480
photo that I will also post on my social media

548
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:21,759
so you guys can see it, and we'll have it

549
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,119
in the blog post for this episode. So if you

550
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:25,680
don't get the social media stuff and you want to

551
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,440
see it on the blog, head over to Panormal World

552
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,079
Productions dot com. Check out that Bigfoot podcast blog. At

553
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:32,799
the top of the page. You can see these photos

554
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,799
and video that Wayne and I are talking about. He

555
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,759
sent me a follow up photo and I don't even

556
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,440
know if I sent this to you, Wane, but it's

557
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:44,880
on a four foot tall chain link fence that's a

558
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,160
brown part of their property. And then this board that

559
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,400
he has the camera attached to is probably close to

560
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,039
nine feet off the ground. So it made perfect sense.

561
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,319
I even said to Logan, thank you so much for

562
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,559
the reference because I was having a hard time understanding

563
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,279
the setup here. But now when you see it on

564
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,599
the fence, you're going to be like, holy shit, this

565
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,960
thing was that tall and nine feet off the ground.

566
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,079
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We

567
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,400
will be right back after these messages.

568
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,319
Speaker 2: It's weird, man, It's really weird. So I don't know

569
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:21,920
what to make of it. I agree with you. I

570
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,599
don't know if it's some kind of supernatural thing. Because

571
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:28,640
the lights and the reflectiveness of the ir is what

572
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,119
got me. I thought to myself, what kind of material

573
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,799
or what would be something that a person could wear

574
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,039
that would be reflective like that and show up on

575
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:43,319
the camera with these huge, strange light anomalies Before you

576
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,599
see what looks like this silhouette of a rather tall creature,

577
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,720
I'll say, walk in front of the camera.

578
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, look at the crease in your

579
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:58,079
ball cap and compare it to discrease. It's pretty close.

580
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: Ooh. The Sasquatch savat Ladies and Gentlemen is real time

581
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,519
debunking during the episode.

582
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,279
Speaker 4: I love it as much as I hate to admit it.

583
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,319
With all of the lights and the possible lens reflection

584
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:16,079
that you talked about just the weird shape. What if

585
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:18,759
there's a lot more to this wu crap. I don't

586
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,799
want to say crap, this woo stuff that you and

587
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,240
I aren't that big in. But people talk about them

588
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:29,079
popping out of lights, cloaking, seeing that stuff. What they

589
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:29,799
caught it on film?

590
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:30,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

591
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: I don't think that's it. But if you're going to

592
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:34,960
claim to be open minded, you got to be open

593
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,039
minded about everything.

594
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, man, My brain always goes more to

595
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,039
what if this was a dude walking up with a

596
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:47,400
flashlight and that's where the light anomaly was coming. Yeah,

597
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,920
But towards the end of the video, it's obviously a

598
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,240
screen grab that Logan recorded from his screen and sent

599
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,559
to us. Is it possible that somebody was out there

600
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,000
shining a flashlight and they see the camera and they

601
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,880
want to come get a close should look at the camera.

602
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,000
But towards the end the feed is cut and you

603
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,039
get this weird It's almost like in the seventies and

604
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,359
eighties when the TV would go off at night at

605
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,640
a certain time, you'd get those little colored lines or

606
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,799
whatever on the television. That's what it looks like at

607
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,880
the end, so I don't know. It's definitely a mystery

608
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720
at this point. It was a mystery the logan, thus

609
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,599
why he sent it to me, and then I send

610
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,960
it on to you. So the more highs we have

611
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,240
on the mystery, you guys are always great at coming

612
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,079
up with theories of your own. So go check it

613
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:33,480
out on the blog, Go check it out on our

614
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,880
social media, and let us know what you think via email,

615
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,079
send some comments, let us know. Somebody may be able

616
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,599
to solve the mystery. Almost immediately, just the fact that

617
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,119
you looked at it and said, what if this is

618
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,839
a crease in your ball cap? But again, how tall

619
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:50,240
would you have to be? Somebody would have to be

620
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:54,359
on a ladder or standing on something to be as

621
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,440
high off the ground as this camera is. Again, Logan said,

622
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,799
it's about nine feet up where this camera is. And

623
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,160
if you look at the video, which I'm not doing now,

624
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,240
I'm going off memory from last night, it looks like

625
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,599
the camera is catching about mid what I would consider

626
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,920
being maybe mid back, right below the shoulder blades of

627
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,079
whatever this is. So how freaking tall would something have

628
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,519
to be You're talking mid back is nine feet tall

629
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,000
or just under the shoulders. Is that nine feet tall?

630
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,759
Speaker 4: It's like it's gliding past it, not taking a step.

631
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:29,680
It's like it's on a conveyor belt.

632
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really strange.

633
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 4: We gotta ask before we move on, Brian, and I

634
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,559
know it's gonna come up. Yeah, I mean you, who

635
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,119
did you mention? It's a very beginning who His name

636
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,039
is attached to this Todd standing. So that's going to

637
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:48,440
be a red flag to everybody out there automatically, whether

638
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,640
he deserves it or not, no matter how good the

639
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,599
footage is, because his name's attached to it, you're gonna

640
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:54,559
have those questions.

641
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: This did not come from radium. This is a different,

642
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:02,200
undisclosed location, so it's not radium. I didn't make that clear, Okay.

643
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: I was just saying I was thinking it was a

644
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,799
part of that camera thing that he was doing in radium.

645
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have made that clear. Logan has let's

646
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,039
say a couple I don't know how many exactly, but

647
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,440
he does have a couple of other locations where he

648
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,280
has these cameras outside of radium. This comes from one

649
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,800
of those other areas.

650
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 4: Nothing to do with Todd Standing.

651
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 2: Nothing to do with Todd Standing.

652
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: Okay, good deal.

653
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: All right, last thing before we get out of here.

654
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,519
This is something you and I have talked about quite

655
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,519
a bit on the show in the past. Is this

656
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:37,920
Todd Gatewood Patterson Gimlin film a restoration project that's going on.

657
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,440
I interviewed Todd last year at least one part interview

658
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,960
with he and MK Davis. We had the second interview

659
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,679
scheduled and he flipped the script on me and that

660
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,079
did not happen. We've talked about all that on the

661
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,440
show in the past, but something that has always stuck

662
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,519
with me. We've talked about it just in the last

663
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,800
few episodes here. I think about whether he had the

664
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,519
whole film or not, because we've only seen that one

665
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,480
frame that he's produced thus far, which is frame three

666
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,599
point fifty two, that everybody in the world at this

667
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:14,000
point has seen. And I even said to you at postulated,

668
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,400
does he actually have the whole film? And is he

669
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,880
actually doing this or is this all just a ruse

670
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,840
pulling the wool over all of our eyes. I had

671
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,280
a private conversation with somebody a couple of days ago

672
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,760
and this subject came up, and I mentioned Todd Gatewood

673
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,400
and the film, and it was one of those eye

674
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,960
roll oh not that guy conversations, and I said something

675
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,840
about I have always wondered this is the big question

676
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,559
for me, not just whether he was using AI or not.

677
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,639
I think that's pretty much been put to bed as

678
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,840
far as I'm concerned. But where did he get his

679
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,679
copy of this film? I even said, I think on

680
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,440
this very show to you. Did he pull it off

681
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,880
the internet? Is this guy literally working from screenshots of

682
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,159
the Patterson Gimlin film from the Internet. The person I

683
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,199
was having this conversation with said, no, that's not how

684
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,039
it happened. I have the inside scoop. I know where

685
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,320
he got the film and how he got the copy

686
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,039
of the film that he's working with, But I don't

687
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,760
want to go on record and talk about it. I'm

688
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,440
not into the drama. I'm doing my own thing. That's

689
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,760
not my spiel, that's not my stick, but I know

690
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,679
it is for you. So let me get with the

691
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,320
person that Todd got his copy of the film from

692
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,599
and see if they would be willing to talk to

693
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,639
you on record about that meeting, that agreement, and what

694
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,320
transpired and how he ultimately ended up with the copy

695
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,760
of the film that he has. That is happening. I

696
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,320
was literally on the phone with that person this morning.

697
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,559
We are working to get dates and times together within

698
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:51,679
the next four or five days, we're going to sit

699
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,840
down and do this interview and get at least their

700
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,639
side of the story, because there's always two sides to

701
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,360
every story, full transparency. The person I was having this

702
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,079
conversation with said to me, look, I'm only getting this

703
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,280
one side of the story from this person who claims

704
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,760
that this is how this went down. That's a pretty

705
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,519
common thing, right, That's why I'm trying to go to

706
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:18,360
the source for the podcast and say, hey, you were there,

707
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,440
this is your side of the story. So that's going

708
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:23,960
to happen. I guess the thing that comes up for

709
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:28,599
me is I've went back and albeit it's only this

710
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,719
is all transpired since yesterday, so within the last twenty

711
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,320
four hours, so I've had very little time to prepare

712
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,639
and do a deep dive into some of these subjects.

713
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,920
But the person I was having a conversation with said, look,

714
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,440
there was a very public falling out on Facebook. So

715
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440
if you go back and look at Todd's Facebook and

716
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,159
this person's Facebook, if it hasn't been deleted, those conversations

717
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,679
are still there. So the person that I'm setting up

718
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,119
the interview with where Todd allegedly got his copy of

719
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,719
the film, is doing that research for me, and hopefully

720
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,320
we'll send that to me so I'll be able to

721
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,039
read up on that before the interview and be a

722
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,079
little bit more up to speed, if you will. So

723
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,760
there clearly is a public record of these people knowing

724
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,079
each other. Number One. That kind of checks a box

725
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,719
for me as an investigator. Number Two, this person said,

726
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880
I'm going to send you some photos as I'm looking

727
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,000
for that of this meeting that took place when Todd

728
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,880
was here. That's a pretty good indication that this person

729
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,400
is telling the truth right at least they were in

730
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440
the same room for this picture to be made. So

731
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,920
there's a lot of theirs there. And I tried to

732
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,039
go back within the last twenty four hours and look

733
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,199
as much into read it. I looked into some of

734
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,360
the stuff online. I looked on YouTube. I was trying

735
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,599
to find anywhere where Gatewood had actually explained to anybody

736
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,280
in public where he got his copy that he's working from.

737
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,440
And I thought there were some mentions I could not

738
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:58,920
remember if it was on YouTube, if if it was

739
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,719
in an interview. But I looked back through my personal

740
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,679
thread conversation on Facebook messenger with Todd and he mentions

741
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,440
this person specifically how he's working to not only do

742
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,320
what he's doing for Roger and his legacy, but also

743
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,639
to get the truth out for this person. So there's

744
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:23,360
a lot of connected dots there For me, at least

745
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,920
as an investigator, if I were investigating a crime that

746
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,079
somebody had alleged that went on, I would at least

747
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:33,199
have reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime was afoot at

748
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000
this point, let's just put it that way. So that's

749
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,079
what I'm doing. I'm getting into it. Obviously. I don't

750
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:40,199
like dealing in inn window. I like to go straight

751
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,760
to the source. Although I very much trust the person

752
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,639
that I was talking with as far as my contact

753
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,119
or confidant, my deep throat if you will, that was

754
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,159
telling me about the story in the beginning, but I

755
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,719
wanted to get it directly from the horse's mouth. That's

756
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,440
what I'm doing. I guess the only public challenge I

757
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,960
have is Todd Gatewood. We would love to have your

758
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,079
side of the story. Where did you get the copy

759
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,840
of the film, what's the backstory there. It's like the

760
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480
chain of custody, right if somebody handed you this and said,

761
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,320
hey man, I think there's DNA here that's going to

762
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,159
prove that Wayne killed Tiffany. Okay, where did you get that?

763
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Oh?

764
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. Then you're screwed. There's no chain

765
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,880
of custody there, right, So as a cop, I'm going

766
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,239
to go that evidence doesn't mean shit to me. So

767
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,159
I just challenged Todd, where did you get your copy

768
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,280
of the film? How did you come about it, Where

769
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,880
did it come from? And is the person that you

770
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,039
got it from okay? With the fact that you're doing

771
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,719
what you're doing with the film. You're selling mugs, you're

772
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,840
selling prints, you're selling a rug, whatever you're selling with

773
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,000
frame three, p. Fifty two on it, Are they okay

774
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,440
with that? That's all I'm asking. So we're going to

775
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,039
get one side of the story. There's always the other

776
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,320
side of the story. And frankly, as far as I know,

777
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,519
Todd's still alive, he's still breathing, he's still upright, so

778
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:08,679
he has the opportunity to tell us his side of

779
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:10,559
the story. How do you feel about this? I know

780
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,239
you roll your eyes when it comes to the Patterson

781
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,800
Gamblin film like a lot of people, because again it's

782
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,679
one of those horses that we've beaten to death. But

783
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,320
it goes back to I think, in my opinion, at

784
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,039
least some of the foundation of the show was if

785
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,760
somebody's out there hoaxing, if somebody's out there putting out bullshit,

786
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,880
we're going to call it out. If you're going to

787
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,199
take arguably the most famous piece of evidence slash footage

788
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,079
in the history of the Bigfoot's phenomenon, and you're going

789
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,719
to do something like Todd Gatewood is purporting that he's

790
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,800
doing with this film, I think you are under a

791
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,000
higher degree of scrutiny than most. It's almost like Carl Sagan, right,

792
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,440
you're making extraordinary claims, Todd about this film and what

793
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,679
you're going to be able to do with it. So

794
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,480
those extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and part of that evidence,

795
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960
in my opinion, is where did you get it to

796
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,360
start with. It's like me saying, I'm gonna analyze the

797
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,559
footprints from Bluff Creek. I'm gonna look at the cast.

798
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,079
Where'd the cast come from? I can say I got

799
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:18,519
him from Meldrum. Well, where'd Meldrum get him from he

800
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,400
got them directly from Renee Dehindon, who was fucking there

801
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,360
and did them or Bob Tittmus or whoever. Okay, that's

802
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,159
the chain of custody. I can work with that. But

803
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:28,840
if I can't answer that question, Oh I think I

804
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,119
bought them offline? Oh they come from t MoU. Somebody

805
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,039
on tam moo sold one of the Bluff Creek prints.

806
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,079
What does that do to my evidence? So if I'm

807
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,599
working from a point where my evidence is questionable, then

808
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:42,760
anything I say about that evidence or anything I do

809
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,880
with that evidence after that really doesn't mean shit because

810
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,679
the chain of custody is broken. I guess my question

811
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,159
for you before we get out of here, Wayne, is

812
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,400
where are you on the whole Patterson Gimlin film Gatewood mystery.

813
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,480
Does it really matter to you as a person where

814
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,119
or how he got his copy of the film or

815
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:02,760
is it more about what he's doing with it or

816
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,239
is it accommodation of both for you?

817
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: I mean it does matter, but very much. AM not

818
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,519
an expert in video and video editing. Things you can

819
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,480
and can't do with video, So clarify this for me.

820
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,880
Maybe you don't even know, can someone like myself or you,

821
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,840
can we not just go to YouTube watch a copy

822
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,400
of the original, make our own copy and do what

823
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,960
he's doing, or do you have to have an original?

824
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: I think you could certainly do that. I think the

825
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,119
question there would be is the quality of the video

826
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,400
that you have that you're starting from. Obviously you would

827
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,920
want something as close to the original as you could

828
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,159
possibly get. Most of us in Bigfoot know that, allegedly

829
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,719
the story is the original is completely gone, so all

830
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,480
we have is like the second, third, fourth, fifth, and

831
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,920
so on generation of the film that people have that

832
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,519
they work from to do anything. I don't know. I'm

833
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,760
not a student enough, very much like you. I don't

834
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000
purport to be any kind of video expert by any

835
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,599
stretch of the imagination. I don't know what MK Davis got.

836
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,079
I don't know where he got it.

837
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: My next question now, why aren't we scrutinizing MK Davis

838
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,840
as much because he was doing this before Gatewood? Where

839
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,280
did MK Davis get his?

840
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: And the same thing for Bill Muns. I think Bill Munns,

841
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,880
as far as I remember the story, actually went to

842
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,519
Patricia Patterson's house and did what he was doing. So

843
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,039
he was working with. At least we know her copy.

844
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,400
I think it was very similar for Bill Munns. Again,

845
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,440
I'm not a student enough to know. I'm sure people

846
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,480
are probably going they're probably rolling their eyes, go hu

847
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,599
do these guys call them? So it's a Bigfoot researcher

848
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:40,840
when they don't know all of these facts. But it

849
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,400
is what it is, right, we don't have all the facts. Literally,

850
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,159
the person who answered the phone when I had this

851
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,360
conversation about the person I'm going to interview yesterday said,

852
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:52,480
oh God, why don't people just do their own research?

853
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,559
Which I took offense too. Now that I think about it,

854
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,360
I was like, wait, what the fuck? But anyway, some

855
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,880
of us aren't privy to that. Us don't have that

856
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
information like other people do. Some of it's out there

857
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,599
on the internet. But again, just because you read it

858
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:08,639
in a Reddit thread, does it mean it really happened

859
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:10,119
that way? You can go to Reddit right now, or

860
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,840
to say Bill Munn's got the film five different ways.

861
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,800
Who's to know what's true? I like to go directly

862
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,599
to the source. So that's what I'm doing.

863
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

864
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
be right back after these messages.

865
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,039
Speaker 2: And it appears, at least at this point, it's unconfirmed

866
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:34,480
to me, honestly because I haven't had the interview, but

867
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,239
I'm feeling pretty good about this person's story, and this

868
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:43,119
person's story is not the best for Todd Gatewood. I'll

869
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:47,559
just say that. I'll say that we make no accusations here.

870
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,320
I'm not going to make any accusations on my show.

871
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,480
But from what I've gotten from this person, and again

872
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:57,079
we'll hear it directly from them on the interview, is

873
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:01,679
that it appears that there might be some questionable tactics

874
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,440
used to acquire this version of the film.

875
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 4: They could be very damaging to someone in the work

876
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,480
that they're doing.

877
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,159
Speaker 2: I think that's an accurate statement. We'll leave it up

878
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,079
to you, guys. Once we get the interview done and

879
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,559
you're able to hear it for yourself, then you can

880
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:18,719
make up your own mind and have your own opinions.

881
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,480
But I think it's important that anybody in this and

882
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:22,880
I said it to the person I was on the

883
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,360
phone with yesterday, people question my evidence, they question my experiences,

884
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,199
they question everything I do because I've put myself out

885
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,519
into public, very much like you anybody who does a

886
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:35,679
podcast and put your voice or your likeness out in

887
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,960
the public zeitgeist for anybody to consume. You by default

888
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000
become a public figure, and there is an extra layer

889
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,400
of scrutiny, whether you like it or not, when you

890
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,199
are a public figure doing what we do in Bigfoot.

891
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,199
I get that. I have no problems with anybody questioning

892
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,480
anything I've ever said, purported or done in public or private.

893
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,559
I don't have any issues with that. So I think

894
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,239
if you're going to do something like this as ambitious

895
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,039
as I'm going to take the Patterson Gimlin film and

896
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,400
make it the best thing it's ever been because I'm

897
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,639
the only one able to do it, and then you're

898
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,599
going to start selling shit related to it, and I

899
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,360
don't care where the money's going. It's purported to go

900
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,079
to this charity or whatever. Oh okay, great, if you're

901
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,480
doing great works, good on you, dude. You're getting some

902
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,719
kind of calmer points. Fantastic. I don't really give a shit.

903
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,599
But if you're going to do that, you owe the

904
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,079
people that are consuming your product, whatever that is, whether

905
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,159
it be a video on YouTube or whether it be

906
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:35,320
a mug with frame three fifty two on it, I

907
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,079
think you owe them some level of accountability when it

908
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,840
comes to where that came from, who you got it from,

909
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,960
how did you get it, and is that person okay

910
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,599
with what you're doing with it right now today? That's

911
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:49,280
all I'm saying.

912
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know anybody out there that would

913
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,800
disagree with that. Most of us wouldn't. Maybe someone does.

914
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,159
Speaker 2: There might be a couple, but I think we've beaten

915
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,360
enough horses to death. As always, my friend, you get

916
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,360
the last word on the show.

917
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,199
Speaker 4: All right again, guys, thank you so much for all

918
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,320
of the continued support. Please take every opportunity to rate

919
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,840
and review. We appreciate that it helps us out so much.

920
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Please keep those emails voicemails coming in, y'all. Stay safe

921
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,320
out there until we talk again. Take care of yourselves

922
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,960
and take care of each other.

923
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: You