Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty one of five and IVE.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, July ninth. I am your host, Craig Goldstein,
Speaker 1: joined as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.
Speaker 1: Have the last few days gone for you, guys? My
Speaker 1: last few days have been Deck. After I'm done with
Speaker 1: this podcast, I will continue to Deck. I will spend
Speaker 1: my life by the rest of my life in Deck.
Speaker 2: Last night, I'm not sure if this is a verber nown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's needs Also, it's also just you never know
Speaker 1: what someone's like locational affect, Like I keep miss I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: or when Patrick has typed it, I'm like, oh, okay, right, No,
Speaker 1: I know where he is now? No, I uh yeah, no.
Speaker 1: Yesterday last night, I closed my eyes, you know sometimes
Speaker 1: like if you play a video game for a long time,
Speaker 1: you start to see the video game. I closed my eyes.
Speaker 3: Just like, not even like I blinked. I closed eyes
Speaker 3: and I saw Deck. I saw a board that I
Speaker 3: had been standing earlier. That like, I recognized the board
Speaker 3: that I had been standing.
Speaker 1: I think that was the line specifically, when I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna type something else as a
Speaker 1: whrror story there. Yeah, I'm so sick of Deck. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Patrick, Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: That all we're not we're not expounding further on the Deck.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't if you want to talk about the game, Ian,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I mean, it stretches onto intinity.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the bleak Bleak to the end of time. Like,
Speaker 1: we can keep talking about it, but the everything we
Speaker 1: would talk about would still be Deck. I can. I
Speaker 1: can recap some of Patrick and my conversation last night,
Speaker 1: speaking of games that are burned into your retinas. I
Speaker 1: I had called to remember, Well, so apparently there's a
Speaker 1: new Heroes of Might and Magic. Either out makes sense,
Speaker 1: which is did you play that play? They've made one
Speaker 1: in like twenty years, but I have. I'm it's a
Speaker 1: prequel Patrick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the plot was very important in those games, exactly,
Speaker 2: I must have, but I could not tell you anything
Speaker 2: about it or which one it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they were all.
Speaker 2: Identical, right, No, I know, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I really reference. And then the fact that there was
Speaker 1: also Might and Magic, which was a completely different game
Speaker 1: going on at the exact same time, very confusing. But
Speaker 1: Patrick and I were having this discussion, and I said,
Speaker 1: I remembered this very specific game where you had to
Speaker 1: do something in the game where you had like this
Speaker 1: can sound so dumb, but these were That's what these
Speaker 1: games were. You had, you had very you had to
Speaker 1: make them deck exactly. That's half the games now. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: hit his uh you had to throw he You had
Speaker 1: to get this guy across this like boiling water. And
Speaker 1: the way to do it in this game was to
Speaker 1: throw in a cold head of lettuce.
Speaker 2: Okay, they don't and they don't tell these they don't
Speaker 2: tell they told you.
Speaker 1: It's iceberg lettuce. It's iceberg lettus. That's that's a joke.
Speaker 1: That's what we were working with at the time. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was the it was the nineties. And I'm telling
Speaker 1: this to Patrick, But every time he would touch the
Speaker 1: lettuce or whatever, he would say, egads, that's cold, and
Speaker 1: that just sits. That scene of crossing the boiling water
Speaker 1: with that thing just at in my head. And he,
Speaker 1: of course said, no, I have no idea what the
Speaker 1: hell you're talking about. And I was like, you were
Speaker 1: my only hope. That's because those games sucked and I
Speaker 1: never played. Well sorry, anyway, I did find it immediately
Speaker 1: because it's the name. I found the name. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was already searching for it. I found it so fast.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because it's it's a King's
Speaker 1: Quest game for the Yeah, the follow up Quest six.
Speaker 1: Those games are so bad that that line. As soon
Speaker 1: as I heard them, I'm like, Okay, it must be
Speaker 1: a King's Quest game in a very derogatory sense, like
Speaker 1: oh did you I didn't because I found it before
Speaker 1: you sent the video. I found the title, but because
Speaker 1: I just had a feeling incredible anyway, horrible game. I
Speaker 1: spent so so much time on That's Gang's West. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what Patrick and I talk about it night sometimes. Yeah, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: The most important. It is it day in the life
Speaker 2: of a soccer fan. It is the day Chefel Wednesday
Speaker 2: announced their kit for next year at least on one.
Speaker 1: Okay, very exciting.
Speaker 2: They have switched kit spot, not sponsor. Well, they twitch
Speaker 2: switched kit sponsor. They twitched kitchen kit manufacturers from Macron
Speaker 2: to Umbro, even though Umbro is not a real brand
Speaker 2: anymore in Europe. I'm reliably informed they're owned by somebody else.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and it's blue and white stripes with the collar. Okay,
Speaker 2: so soon they're always the same. But it's like there's nothing,
Speaker 2: there's no weird sublimation. They haven't put weird digital artifacting
Speaker 2: in the blue stripes, which is the thing they'd like
Speaker 2: to do, blue and white stripes with the collar.
Speaker 1: Now, what level are they at at this point?
Speaker 2: They're in League one and.
Speaker 1: That's okay, League one, it's the one the championship.
Speaker 2: Yes, you were relegated last year after obviously having probably
Speaker 2: the worst season, and.
Speaker 1: Now was any of that. They've had a lot of financial.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there is hope. I literally I clicked on
Speaker 2: it to like look at it. You can now just
Speaker 2: use shop pay or Apple pay to buy it, which
Speaker 2: is like a gigantic step forward for their merchandising and
Speaker 2: marketing department. The process before, let me tell you, was not.
Speaker 2: I would put in.
Speaker 1: My credit card.
Speaker 2: I had an account with the shop right because I
Speaker 2: ordered for my favor bit. I would put in like
Speaker 2: my credit card information in my address and just click
Speaker 2: a button and hope it went through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, compared relationship, congratulations. Anything else we want to
Speaker 1: talk about? Yeah, not yet, Okay. Our first segment today
Speaker 1: the Journey for to Verlanden or am I doing that right?
Speaker 1: I don't know this reference.
Speaker 2: It's the Undying Land Craig beyond the scene where fro
Speaker 2: Do and Gandalf and the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rings, I apologize. Yeah, I saw the at
Speaker 1: least at least one or no, I saw two of
Speaker 1: the movies, because I definitely thought one of the movies
Speaker 1: was a repeat until sudden, suddenly something different happened at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 2: I definitely, I definitely saw three of them in the theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not it's not even that I thought it
Speaker 1: was bad. I just I didn't read the books. I
Speaker 1: didn't whatever anyway, so I uh yeah, anyway, Justin Verlander
Speaker 1: has been added to the All Star Game as one
Speaker 1: of the commissioner's picks. He also released a statement thanking
Speaker 1: the commissioner for that and saying this season will be
Speaker 1: his last season. Now are we gonna see him the
Speaker 1: rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a statement that he's like, he's entry hard
Speaker 2: to get back or.
Speaker 1: He's gonna try. Yeah? Sure, yeah, I mean I I
Speaker 1: do think it's funny that the commissioner's picks in this
Speaker 1: thing are Justin Verlander injured and going to retire and
Speaker 1: not at all deserving in the sense of of anything
Speaker 1: about this season or even really you know, last season. Whatever,
Speaker 1: he's deserving it. He's a he's a star. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't care. But just the comparison being the other
Speaker 1: is Bryce Harper, who's just having a great season. Except
Speaker 1: as we as we cataloged last week, there are already
Speaker 1: four an ol first baseman and one of them Sal Stewart.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just like, you know, here's a guy
Speaker 1: who's deserving and is a star and having a great year,
Speaker 1: and also here's a guy who's about to get taken
Speaker 1: behind the woodshed.
Speaker 2: I did not realize that Berlanda was like an above
Speaker 2: average pitcher last year and threw one hundred and fifty innings.
Speaker 1: Maybe because it was for the Giants he closed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was as a real n No one paid paid
Speaker 1: edge to the Giants. He had a very strong like
Speaker 1: last six.
Speaker 2: See if they'd hired Tony Vitello last season, we all
Speaker 2: would have been paying it to the Giants in August
Speaker 2: and September. I would have noticed this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he uh, it was a rough Marshall season and
Speaker 1: then he I think came back from injury at some point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, from July twenty third through the end of
Speaker 1: the season he had a two to six to zero
Speaker 1: er and a three three, three six fIF So it
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, completely undeserved or anything. Yeah, really
Speaker 1: strong second half of the season. I do like, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: this will be quick, but I just want to take
Speaker 1: a tour of the things that Justin.
Speaker 3: Verlander leads the league and leads career active leaders in
Speaker 3: He is currently the active current leader in wins, losses,
Speaker 3: game started, innings pitched, earned runs, home runs allowed, walks.
Speaker 1: Allowed, strikeouts allowed.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Phil Lecro's nineteen niney seventy seven season,
Speaker 3: ex just for the entire career, Like he is.
Speaker 1: Just the last of this guy.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's been some articles and everybody's been
Speaker 3: moaning like this is the end of an era, and
Speaker 3: it probably is the end of an era.
Speaker 1: The Maxers are will probably also pitching in and it's like.
Speaker 3: It's it's a little weird right that that, Like, I
Speaker 3: guess you could only pick one.
Speaker 2: Right, They're both in the American League, so.
Speaker 3: Exactly it seems like they should just kind of both
Speaker 3: be there the difference I guess is that Nextuerser will
Speaker 3: almost certainly pitch and maybe pitch badly in the second half,
Speaker 3: whereas very Lander probably won't. I know, it's it's just like,
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with the choice of Verlander Versuser, but
Speaker 3: to me, they've always been just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: the same tier of excellence.
Speaker 2: Right, I would assume, sure are a second and a
Speaker 2: second and all the things you just named.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, anything else we want, I mean, career, you
Speaker 1: can save it for later. But I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Announce his retirement. I feel like this is as good
Speaker 2: a time as any to you know, look back. I
Speaker 2: guess sure.
Speaker 3: It's funny like when you think about Verlander's career, it
Speaker 3: feels like he had well, and I remember having the
Speaker 3: one setback, right, the one point where it looked like
Speaker 3: he was done. It was around the same time that
Speaker 3: Felix was having his setback, and Verlander returned to greatness
Speaker 3: and Felix obviously didn't. And then you look at his
Speaker 3: numbers and it's like, no, yeah, a couple, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he had, you know, the for the COVID slash. Then
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one injury where he just basically missed two
Speaker 3: years of his career.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean you assume, like the thirty seven year
Speaker 2: old getting Tommy John surgery, like he was already a
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer at that, right, but you might like
Speaker 2: to assume he's done, right.
Speaker 3: And then he won the song and that's wild. I
Speaker 3: mean I kind of forgot how great he was in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two in a one point seventy five year Right.
Speaker 2: They were talking about this on the MATS broadcast last
Speaker 2: night or his retirement, and Gary brought it up, and
Speaker 2: they always just always people always need to bring this
Speaker 2: up about Berlander. It's like, oh, yeah, he only threw
Speaker 2: like ninety three ninety four at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: stars and then had ninety eight at the end of it.
Speaker 2: Like I just is that actually true? Like I know
Speaker 2: he did say something in the tank, but I feel
Speaker 2: I feel like he could throw hard at like any point,
Speaker 2: like he just threw hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, And it's one of those things
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever Yeah we have, like it's
Speaker 1: like we have we do now, Like I saw that,
Speaker 1: but he has like dat way back to I think
Speaker 1: he did. I think he was I mean it's Carlos
Speaker 1: Rodan does the same, not to yeah, not the same,
Speaker 1: but Carlos that too.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you're going to just tell his arm
Speaker 2: just hurts the beginning to start that, right.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, well sure, but I just think like
Speaker 1: that is a thing he did too, right, whereas like
Speaker 1: he'd add two to three miles per hour of the
Speaker 1: course of the game. And do I think Forerlander could
Speaker 1: throw ninety seven from pitch one. Yeah, he's come out
Speaker 1: and talked about coming off that the TJ. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: the game he's he had some really actually interesting quotes
Speaker 1: about how he changed and he came out and started
Speaker 1: throwing as hard as he could all the time, max
Speaker 1: effort every pitch, and how that from the it.
Speaker 2: Was also more of like a contact suppression repertoire. Not
Speaker 2: that he show them strikeout guys when he came back.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, obviously, look, he probably had to
Speaker 1: write because he lost something because he was older, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, but he said like this is this is
Speaker 1: the way the game is now. And I think the indication, obviously,
Speaker 1: or the implication was that that wasn't the case early
Speaker 1: on in his career. I think he could come out
Speaker 1: and throw ninety you know, ninety four for a couple
Speaker 1: of innings, and then ramp up as as the game
Speaker 1: went along. But that's not today's battery. You can't do
Speaker 1: that to today's batters anymore. Really, my recollection of this
Speaker 1: is he made these comments wearing like a triple A.
Speaker 1: He was doing like a rehab start, so he's wearing
Speaker 1: like the triple A. I don't know if they were
Speaker 1: sugar Land at the point, or if they were you know,
Speaker 1: wherever they were before Sugarland. I don't remember mine Hole
Speaker 1: affiliates like I used to, but I don't need Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he they're really interesting comments, and I do think
Speaker 1: they that he really did have to actually change the
Speaker 1: way he went about it towards the end of the
Speaker 1: of his career.
Speaker 2: I mean sure ser did too, right, Like the one
Speaker 2: of the hallmarks of Hall of Fame players in general
Speaker 2: is they can even if they're not elite in their
Speaker 2: late thirties, they can still be good, right Like they
Speaker 2: not only do they have a higher peak to sort
Speaker 2: of slide down from, but it's a more gentle decline
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases. Right like even Verlander. You
Speaker 2: know that Mets the season is split between the Mets
Speaker 2: and the Astros. In twenty twenty three, like he was
Speaker 2: he was hurt a little bit at the begining of
Speaker 2: the season. He was still a very good picture. Like
Speaker 2: being that good a picture at forty is just very unusual.
Speaker 1: They're not they're not normal guys.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean he won the Young at thirty nine.
Speaker 2: I mean he won the Young at thirty six, missed
Speaker 2: two seasons and won the Young again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly like.
Speaker 2: That, that's like freak stuff. But like in a way,
Speaker 2: like obviously he he won a World Series, he won
Speaker 2: two cy Youngs. He probably could have won two. You know,
Speaker 2: he has three second places in a third place, like
Speaker 2: he probably could have won a couple more elected higher
Speaker 2: than right, Like he led the Americ League in War
Speaker 2: two of the seasons, he's been a second as a pitcher.
Speaker 2: But like something about Berlander, like it was interesting, right
Speaker 2: because he had the early issues as a playoff pitcher, right,
Speaker 2: Like there's literally a Trump tweet about him not being
Speaker 2: good in the playoffs. That's how how known it was.
Speaker 2: And then you know it just went away, right because
Speaker 2: of his pitching down the stretch. He won two World
Speaker 2: Series on the second World Series. He won the World
Speaker 2: Series in twenty twenty two as well. They did not
Speaker 2: pitch great in that postseason. He pitched very well in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, and he was like also had the narrative
Speaker 2: of like being the last piece for them, right Like
Speaker 2: they had to like call him up at the deadline
Speaker 2: because Dallas Kikel had to call him with the deadline
Speaker 2: and get him to waive his no trade clause and like, no, no,
Speaker 2: you need to come here. And he's sort of spanned
Speaker 2: errors eras as a pitcher, right like when he when
Speaker 2: he came up and was had his initial success, right
Speaker 2: like the best pitchers in baseball were like Johan Santana
Speaker 2: and Tim Winscom Like it's it's that, you know, Roy Halladay,
Speaker 2: it's that far back, and now he's made it all
Speaker 2: the way to the end where it's like Jacob Zierowski
Speaker 2: throwing one hundred and five and he's like the good good,
Speaker 2: you know, for pretty much the entire time. But I
Speaker 2: do wonder because he's one of those guys, like is
Speaker 2: he one of those guys obviously just going in first
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Famer, Like does he get actually remembered
Speaker 2: as one of the all time great pictures.
Speaker 1: I think so, if only because of timing, because I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be because he's a last like there's
Speaker 1: a real shelf, and.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, increasingly it looks like Chris Sale
Speaker 3: will mitigate that shelf a little bit, right, But for
Speaker 3: a while, it looked like there was just going to be,
Speaker 3: you know, a five year you know, vacuum of absolutely
Speaker 3: no starters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler also probably, Yeah, Zac Wheeler might actually be
Speaker 3: the last real one of those guys, but not for
Speaker 3: not for nearly as.
Speaker 1: Long when you talk about being remembered, like twenty years
Speaker 1: from now. I don't know if Zach Wheeler gets the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's there right, like I think he's.
Speaker 2: There on Crystal right, because the numbers.
Speaker 1: Just he's Wheeler's dominance started.
Speaker 2: Too latelate, and Sale himself obviously had big gaps due
Speaker 2: to injury and underperformance.
Speaker 1: Well, and by the way, the other part on Wheeler
Speaker 1: is he's come out and said like, this is my
Speaker 1: last draft. I'm not going like he's not going to
Speaker 1: go to forty two. That actually might work in Wheeler's favor.
Speaker 1: Because maybe, but it hurts on the numbers compition, It
Speaker 1: will hurt on the stat side.
Speaker 3: But yeah, as far as reputation goes, I think going
Speaker 3: out on top will actually increase Wheeler's esteem for a
Speaker 3: lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you do have to, like you can't like
Speaker 2: I had already forgotten that Lander was good at the
Speaker 2: end of last year at the Giant.
Speaker 3: Exactly Dandy Johnson with the Giants, and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, I do it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I do think Verlander gets remembered because I think it's
Speaker 1: in that way that you're asking, Jeff, I think, along
Speaker 1: with Shures are in Kershaw. I think those three guys
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and to extent, but he think you
Speaker 1: and I think, but those those three have been a
Speaker 1: real tree. It's also kind of interesting you brought up
Speaker 1: the playoffs stuff. Obviously Kershaw gets gets his but like
Speaker 1: none of the three of them are particularly dominant playoff starr.
Speaker 1: They had their starts.
Speaker 2: Right, neither neither has sail for that matter, or he
Speaker 2: has not pitched as much in them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people are going to pine for the
Speaker 3: workhorse aspect of his career for a long time, and
Speaker 3: people are just trying to wonder why can't people just
Speaker 3: be like Orlander and and that will, you know, because they.
Speaker 2: Always if they throw ninety four in the zone at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the start at goes four hundred.
Speaker 1: Feet, well people don't know. People will not translate that far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the closest to that right
Speaker 2: now is like Christopher Sanchez, who's obviously struggled a little
Speaker 2: bit his last through a few starts, and he was like, like,
Speaker 2: I think Sanchez is very good, but you look at
Speaker 2: Sancho's like his like literally the way he's built and
Speaker 2: the way he pitches, and you're like, Okay, how long
Speaker 2: is this actually gonna last?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And he's like already almost thirty and he's one, you know,
Speaker 2: he's one games and throwing six hundred and fifty six
Speaker 2: innings in the majors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, he's he started too late.
Speaker 2: He did, and it was kind of like a swing
Speaker 2: man when he first came up to you know, bertlanderd
Speaker 2: because he was a high school pick and he did
Speaker 2: get up relatively quickly, though he wasn't really like a
Speaker 2: star until his mid twenties. But yeah, I'm just looking
Speaker 2: at the I'm just gonna use reference war since it's
Speaker 2: you know, a good enough counting stat for sort of
Speaker 2: like run prevention, a combination of like run prevention and
Speaker 2: how much you pitch. It's Sanchez, Missierowski, Burns, Wheeler, Schlitler,
Speaker 2: Hit Towardo Rodriguez, Dylan Sees, jt Jin Foster, Griffin, and
Speaker 2: Parker Massik are the top ten this year. Right, And
Speaker 2: it's funny because like in a way you can comp
Speaker 2: Missierowski and Berlin, right, like there's some young Verlander to
Speaker 2: his game, but also like he just how how is
Speaker 2: that going to work long term?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I do think, yeah, I do think we can be
Speaker 2: a little too Baseball in general can be a little
Speaker 2: too in love with the guys that just play forever,
Speaker 2: like longevity versus peak.
Speaker 1: And I think like justice for Eric Bernard, Well, it's
Speaker 1: just it bothers me when we expect both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like I like, enough of one should counter
Speaker 2: the other, right, I think I think Johann Santana and
Speaker 2: Mark Burley should both be in the Hall of Fame basically, right, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's room for both, and like obviously Verlander, like there
Speaker 2: this all the pictures we've named I think even Wheeler
Speaker 2: to an extent, are layups for Hall of Family. These
Speaker 2: are the easy ones, like you don't have to think
Speaker 2: about I think.
Speaker 1: Wheelers should be I don't. I don't know that he will.
Speaker 1: But he will not be a first ballot guy. Right,
Speaker 1: it's for sure, right, he might.
Speaker 2: He might have like the Felix track at the end
Speaker 2: of the day.
Speaker 1: Well, and again the hard part is and I'm going
Speaker 1: off memory, so I said, but he's not one aside, no, right,
Speaker 1: so like, which is absolutely insane. Yeah, Like, you cannot
Speaker 1: tell me he's not one of the best pitchers. But
Speaker 1: you know, it feels like he's been the second best
Speaker 1: pitcher every year. Yeah, somehow I it really that is
Speaker 1: he's finished second twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he did not really he had some teeth,
Speaker 2: so he had the obviously he was out basically two
Speaker 2: full year. I mean he did pitch, and I'm sorry
Speaker 2: he was out almost like three full years. He did
Speaker 2: pitch in twenty seventeen, but badly. Then he was alright
Speaker 2: with the Mats, and then it was he only went
Speaker 2: to the Phillies. He basically had his first full good
Speaker 2: season with the Phillies and twenty twenty one as a
Speaker 2: thirty one year old, and it's not like you know,
Speaker 2: he was a major prospectors in the Peltron trade, Like
Speaker 2: it wasn't like yeah, it was like kind of a
Speaker 2: it's not like a Christopher Sanchez type rise. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think he has what one more year on this contract? Yeah,
Speaker 2: is gonna Yeah what is he actually going to get?
Speaker 2: Like he'll probably get close to fifty war or something
Speaker 2: he stays healthy. Yeah, probably enough.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like the way he's pitching right now,
Speaker 1: what's funny? Just the Phillies run is legitimately insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially for, as you point out, starting at thirty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, Wheeler missed a month this year coming back from
Speaker 3: what seemed like a career altering, slash ending injury.
Speaker 2: It was the good Tosh.
Speaker 3: Kept saying, it was even better than we thought.
Speaker 1: He is now tied for second in our war for
Speaker 1: pictures in the nationally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he could actually just be on pace for
Speaker 3: another second place finish behind his own teammate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Incredible. Yeah, although I mean you say behind but
Speaker 1: Sancho Scott, Yeah, I know he can lit up yep.
Speaker 1: So who knows anything else we want to say on
Speaker 1: Verlander since we're talking about Wheeler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like one of the things about Verlander
Speaker 3: is the wins, and like, I think the other thing
Speaker 3: is that we're going to lose the concept of the
Speaker 3: win and we should probably just stop.
Speaker 1: Counting them entirely.
Speaker 3: But if you look at like the active win leaders,
Speaker 3: and we talk about active like not including people who
Speaker 3: are injured right now, so no, sure later fifth on
Speaker 3: the active leader list, Michael Waka with one hundred and sixteen.
Speaker 3: This is where we stand. We should just just take
Speaker 3: them away.
Speaker 1: You can also like.
Speaker 2: Jokana and Patrick Corbett in the top ten two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, keep counting wins for Anne Ashby and no
Speaker 1: one else.
Speaker 2: Carlos Carrasco. I think he's back with the Brads again.
Speaker 2: He might be able to su behind.
Speaker 1: Corbyn not not to just inject discourse into this, but
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have it on our list for
Speaker 1: around the Horns. So I'll just say it now when
Speaker 1: we're removing people through seven innings or six innings of
Speaker 1: Perfect Game. Yeah, you know, because it's now happened again
Speaker 1: since we had the Uri Peiz discussion, we have uh,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Yeah, and and look I still generally feel
Speaker 1: the same. Jared Jones is a little bit different than Yeah,
Speaker 1: at someone pointed out I think it was Chris Towers.
Speaker 1: He hadn't thrown more than eighty one pitches in a
Speaker 1: game in two years. That's that's a little I understand
Speaker 1: Yuri was coming off the i L as well and
Speaker 1: has been injury prone. He was coming off a groin issue,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just and he has.
Speaker 2: Thrown more than he does have very long he does
Speaker 2: have very long groins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, he does gricillis. Please, But like they are,
Speaker 1: I understand grouping them and that's fine, but they are
Speaker 1: different cases in terms of of that injury.
Speaker 2: These are all individualized situations and backgrounds and things like that.
Speaker 1: Right now. Uh so, let's just go to our second segment.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me there's a chance speaking of the Tigers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Tigers and the Red Sox are surging.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, yeah, they are.
Speaker 1: They are too are they are damning with faint praise.
Speaker 1: But if you say they're surging, and they're they've won
Speaker 1: four in a row, the Red Sox Tiger version, the
Speaker 1: surging five in a row. The Tigers have them for
Speaker 1: the Twins have also won four in a row.
Speaker 2: Sure they were not quite to the depths. Yeah, they're already.
Speaker 2: I didn't even see there.
Speaker 1: Back to one game, one game below five hundred. The
Speaker 1: Tigers are five and a half out in the division. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are four out in the wild card. Ye, they
Speaker 1: have one four teams between them and the Rangers in
Speaker 1: the last wild card spot. I've said this all along,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that we need to go along.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Tigers should should bail in.
Speaker 2: This season, don't They might not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I didn't mention them when we talked
Speaker 1: about the Pirates and the trade deadline last pod. But
Speaker 1: one of the Tiger's biggest problems, actually, the Tiger's biggest
Speaker 1: problem has been their bullpen. Well in the third base
Speaker 1: coach or they just fired that will fix the bullpen.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: I mean you say that, but also, like man, they
Speaker 2: have some there are some easy layups in this lineup
Speaker 2: if you just like get a Vedrand.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't also fix the lineup. But
Speaker 1: as much as you want to address that, the biggest
Speaker 1: problem has been the bullpen. Kenley Jansen has been really bad.
Speaker 1: It's it's basically everyone I think they are. They have
Speaker 1: the worst w p A like performances in terms of
Speaker 1: all bullpens. Well, yeah, he's falling apart.
Speaker 2: Kyle fin again has like the fakest low t e
Speaker 2: r A possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it's fine, always fine. This is fangrast
Speaker 1: w p A. But Detroit has uh minus almost minus five.
Speaker 2: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot for before the All Star break.
Speaker 1: That's like like the Angels are within the Angels are
Speaker 1: within shouting distance. The next closest teams, the Royals are
Speaker 1: close to minus three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not that you want to be in.
Speaker 1: It is a staggering yeah like level of bad performance.
Speaker 1: Right and again this should be a market where they
Speaker 1: can go fix that. Luke Weaver should be good for
Speaker 1: this team, right like and and probably not cost a
Speaker 1: ton right And they have some pieces.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's a weird system now because.
Speaker 1: It's weird system, but they have these like semi catcher guys.
Speaker 1: And look you have Dylan Dingler who looks like the
Speaker 1: real deal. You can you can move. You might not
Speaker 1: want to, but you can move Tehran Lorenzo or jo
Speaker 1: I don't know what they've done this year.
Speaker 2: But Lorenzo like isn't even really a catcher anymore. Bersania
Speaker 2: is back now, but he's been hurt.
Speaker 3: You can afford relievers like they don't even they don't
Speaker 3: even need great relievers. They just need relievers. You can
Speaker 3: get those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said they could use Luke Weaver, which they could.
Speaker 2: They could also use like a J.
Speaker 1: Minter. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean again, I think
Speaker 1: they fit that pirate's mold of Yeah, the way that
Speaker 1: the deadline is breaking seemingly at least, it's something that
Speaker 1: could really come to them in a way. And and
Speaker 1: you know, Troy Melton looks really good.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not shocked, but I'm surprised these are this
Speaker 2: guy as a starter.
Speaker 1: He's just not walking anybody. Had a great start against
Speaker 1: the Yankees, obviously, you know Aaron judge him, but his
Speaker 1: not his most recent start, that was yesterday.
Speaker 2: But I mean though the Tigers, like part of the
Speaker 2: Tigers surge has been this. They beat the Yankees every
Speaker 2: time they play them, but they're done playing them now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I don't know, I think this is uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Tigers should be selling the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: who are ahead of the Tigers by two in the
Speaker 1: lost column. I don't know if I feel the same way.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the they're twelve back in the division
Speaker 2: is part of it, right, Like the Tigers just have more.
Speaker 2: It's here because they can also win the ale Central,
Speaker 2: where the Red Sox are not going to win the
Speaker 2: Ale Central no matter, no matter, no matter how fraudulent
Speaker 2: Craig thinks.
Speaker 1: The Rays are there, they are putting they are not
Speaker 1: that fraudt Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very funny too because again, like this, you
Speaker 2: just mentioned the Twins, right, like I do.
Speaker 1: Twins have been bad in my mind the entire season.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's the thing. It's like like I knew
Speaker 2: at one point they'd gotten five hundred, and then like
Speaker 2: last I looked they were six under or something, so
Speaker 2: I just thought they were still there.
Speaker 1: You have mental image of the Twins is also ran.
Speaker 2: You have a seven and three week or ten games
Speaker 2: week and a half, like you're you're just going to
Speaker 2: be there, like the gravitational pull of the wild card
Speaker 2: three is just there for you.
Speaker 1: Sometimes Cody Clemens puts you on his back. Sometimes Cody
Speaker 1: Clemens puts you on his back.
Speaker 2: Obviously this isn't around the horn, but shockingly Byron Buckston
Speaker 2: has gone yeah back on the il there. But you
Speaker 2: look at the I'm excuse specifically on the Red Sox
Speaker 2: Craig because of our good friend Brady who has been
Speaker 2: the entire season in the Fray Kids discorgeous, like not
Speaker 2: losing his bund but just being very frustrated with things
Speaker 2: like Mickey Gasper batting lead off and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm with him on that.
Speaker 2: But you look at the last month or so, like
Speaker 2: there's getting enough from the offense.
Speaker 1: Now not show up in the seasonal lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like Caleb obviously, you know Wilson Contreras
Speaker 2: is an all star.
Speaker 1: Now well I also think like Wilson and Treris starting
Speaker 1: fight and look, the last one was justified. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure debating that, but starting fights and getting into stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's also being your best player kind of being
Speaker 1: a prick. Yeah. Frustrating, Yeah, frustrating season.
Speaker 2: Like Saddane rapie Ella is just like having the Saddana
Speaker 2: rafael A season.
Speaker 1: This is not the Sudan Saidan raphael season. It is.
Speaker 1: He's got a one twenty oh ps plus. That's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one sixty io is a little little more
Speaker 3: than you.
Speaker 2: I mean it was one sixty five last year. The
Speaker 2: difference is bad. It has gone up sixty points. I
Speaker 2: don't know how sustainable. Actually, you know, notable. It's notable.
Speaker 2: I don't know how sustainable it is.
Speaker 1: But you know, count Jared Durand to remember who he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they really can. I mean again, will Your is just
Speaker 1: will having will Your season?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will You's having a Wilrior season. Uh, you know
Speaker 2: again the observing Suarez also just injured, but has been
Speaker 2: quite good for them. Jake Bennett, Let's talk about Jake Bennett.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jake Bennett.
Speaker 2: I really like that trade for them, And well, yeah,
Speaker 2: ye again, I don't think I don't think he's I
Speaker 2: don't think he's this good. I do not think he
Speaker 2: is going to maintain a sub zero point five home
Speaker 2: runs for nine and that park pitching like he does,
Speaker 2: but pretty good. Sonny Gray Likenny Gray is kind of
Speaker 2: in the Trek Schooble spot now of like do you
Speaker 2: really you want to trade Sonny Gray? Like we're only
Speaker 2: two weeks removed from Sonny Gray saying he might.
Speaker 1: Wait when you look at their pitching. I think, is
Speaker 1: Roman Anthony ever coming back? Do we know? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because they could really use him. Speaking of guys who
Speaker 1: should be hitting lead off, right, like Peyton totally has
Speaker 1: the mass Pike has.
Speaker 2: He's just not been missing bats, but he's been fine.
Speaker 1: Not recently, but he's got eighty stretch outs in eighty innings.
Speaker 1: That's not bad.
Speaker 2: Right, Early has been Early.
Speaker 1: Is hurt but again looking pretty good. Like you get
Speaker 1: Sonny Gay, Sonny Gray, Ranger Suarez who again was good
Speaker 1: until the most recent injury, and then these three arms
Speaker 1: young arms coming out for you with Early again also
Speaker 1: hurt totally, and Bennett like once they got Bao out
Speaker 1: of this rotation. Yeah right, I mean, like this this
Speaker 1: is a pitch. Part of the reason I would say,
Speaker 1: like you don't necessarily I know, I said, I don't
Speaker 1: feel the same way as I do about Detroit. I
Speaker 1: don't feel as strongly, but I think if you wanted
Speaker 1: to say, don't sell this, this could be a force
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. With this kind of pitching. The infield
Speaker 1: is still ye especially it's awful League. I like that
Speaker 1: you did just Combine and Caleb.
Speaker 2: Obviously it has been great. But the breadth of that.
Speaker 1: Is I should know this off the top of my
Speaker 1: head and I don't. But like, is is there anyone
Speaker 1: trade wise they could I mean, it seems like they're
Speaker 1: committed to not replacing Trevor Store. I know he's on
Speaker 1: the aisle, so that's not the issue right now, but
Speaker 1: like in general, but like it doesn't where can they
Speaker 1: go from here? I don't. I don't know if is
Speaker 1: there a middle infielder, Like it's you know, not really.
Speaker 3: I joked about Jeff McNeil later in the doc, but
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Durban is still below you know,
Speaker 3: underwater on the season, but eight sixty nine ops over
Speaker 3: those last twenty eight dance that's part of this.
Speaker 1: This team performing better.
Speaker 2: It's not just it's not just Story being bad and
Speaker 2: hurt like Meyer has also.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they've been getting by with Anthony Siegler. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they will probably not continue to get by with Anthony
Speaker 3: Anthony Siegler.
Speaker 2: Switch throwing catcher, first rounder from like twelve years ago
Speaker 2: or whatever it is now.
Speaker 3: Probably Yeah, they've curls and narvass is falling apart, but
Speaker 3: they've it's been okay because Connor Wong has just decided
Speaker 3: to hit for a couple of months.
Speaker 2: That's probably he does that every year, that everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but only a couple of months.
Speaker 2: Only a couple of months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're up the expiration date his head. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To me, there's like I feel more comfortable with Detroit.
Speaker 1: There's so many holes in this Boston lineup especially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the pitching's great, but man, well you.
Speaker 2: Said, but like the Tiger's outfield outside of Riley Green
Speaker 2: is like really bad.
Speaker 1: Also has Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: They have the inverse problem where their first basement and
Speaker 2: third baseman.
Speaker 1: Have not been good.
Speaker 2: Those are probably easier positions to just find a one
Speaker 2: oh five ops plus stop gap in July than second.
Speaker 1: Basements is a one o five ops guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fair, And that's the difference is that the Red Sox
Speaker 1: problems have been black holes, right, Even Tigers good problems
Speaker 1: have been potholes. Yeah, right, like they are not I
Speaker 1: mean in the infield anyway, right, Like cold Keith is
Speaker 1: a problem. He's also a ninety ops plus guy thus
Speaker 1: far in the season. Not right, you can live with that,
Speaker 1: and easier to believe that he'd be one hundred going forward, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can buy it with Marcel
Speaker 1: Mayer anymore. And to your to your point on the outfield,
Speaker 1: like Matt Matt Verlin and ones Paris have been the
Speaker 1: black holes. But like Kerry Carpenter was hurt and he's
Speaker 1: healthy again and he's not crushing it like he has
Speaker 1: in the past. But one you know, one one eleven
Speaker 1: ops plus sorry, like that's that's a significant improvement, right,
Speaker 1: that's enough of improvement. And look, you can run him
Speaker 1: out in a corner outfield spot. Your defense is bad.
Speaker 2: Fine, But and the other thing is like the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: like Wilson Contreras has been better than any of the
Speaker 2: Tigers hitters, but you have that, you know, the Dingler McGonagall,
Speaker 2: Riley Glean uh hard back again. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 2: it's a little bit deeper to sequence stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, this team needs Taylor Ward. I know,
Speaker 1: if Taylor right, but the Orioles aren't selling, the Orioles
Speaker 1: should sell. They've lost three in a row, and they
Speaker 1: won three in a row and then lost three three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think the other thing is that, yes,
Speaker 3: they need a Ray fielder, they need a dh Those
Speaker 3: things are going to be easier to find than Boston's
Speaker 3: problems in the middle endfield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Patrick gonna you just discuss this with
Speaker 1: Ginny and our chapel, Like this is when we would
Speaker 1: start to win our deadline dreaming kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: like it's such a weird deadline. It's hard to know.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do it. But maybe we should do
Speaker 1: it by team instead of playing you know, players. See
Speaker 1: what these guys can can turn up. I did skip
Speaker 1: to the Tigers out of you know, a sense of
Speaker 1: a useful transition. But the Marlins are also in a
Speaker 1: playoff spot right now. They are tied. They are tied
Speaker 1: with the Phillies. They are fifty one and forty two.
Speaker 1: They have been.
Speaker 2: They are actually, in a more real sense, surging fifteen and.
Speaker 1: Four in their last nineteen games. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: it is it is a win five, same as the
Speaker 1: Red Sox. They are seven and three in the last ten,
Speaker 1: same as the Tigers.
Speaker 2: So let's you know again, I don't I know how
Speaker 2: they are doing this, but like none of this feels
Speaker 2: real to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Kyle so Towers has come off the eye
Speaker 1: all and hit Yeah, that's part of it. Otto Lopez
Speaker 1: still hitting three forty five, William Hickson, Mike just I
Speaker 1: think I'm not gonna say anyone's gonna hit three forty five.
Speaker 1: I think Lopez is legitimately good.
Speaker 2: For sure, but like, to me, it's that I don't
Speaker 2: know how they're doing. This is more like the starting pitching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like they don't like you run out of names literally
Speaker 2: very quickly.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a five person rotation. I mean the first
Speaker 1: three names have all been really good.
Speaker 2: Well, Max Meyer has been really good, Like Tyler Phillips
Speaker 2: like keeps Tyler Phillips is basically.
Speaker 1: Getting away with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, very much.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, he's a worse chance and Junk. I don't
Speaker 1: like Sandy al Contra has not been that great. Tovanas
Speaker 1: he's eaten ins, Yeah he does. Your Perez has been Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been.
Speaker 2: Still he's a little home run prone still, but like
Speaker 2: he's been good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like I was I can't remember what
Speaker 3: I was talking to about this, but oh, the Blue Jays, Like.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a lot easier to look at these teams.
Speaker 3: When they come to the deadline when you need a
Speaker 3: number four starter than when you need a number two starter.
Speaker 3: And the Blue Jays are in the same situation they
Speaker 3: have three good starters, there's a you can fourth starters
Speaker 3: can be had now a Marlins buying anything, but you
Speaker 3: could like, if the Marlins are buying anything, they could
Speaker 3: get a fourth starter.
Speaker 1: They could get a.
Speaker 3: Oh I can't remember who I looked up to fit
Speaker 3: the bill, but.
Speaker 1: Trying to think, oh, bratty singer, like pretty singer would.
Speaker 2: Be fine, especially that'd be a nice, much friendlier park
Speaker 2: for him to pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. With the Marlins was always the question of the.
Speaker 2: Actually do anything right and then like if they don't,
Speaker 2: how long can they keep doing this? And it's it's
Speaker 2: funny because like they've been.
Speaker 1: It would be kind of a shame if they didn't.
Speaker 1: Like they've been. They're in a really good spot and
Speaker 1: like they've got if they could really use a center fielder, yes,
Speaker 1: has been awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and like they've like this is on some level,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say deserved, but like they've been.
Speaker 2: They're like the sixth best offense and tenth best pitching staff.
Speaker 2: But I also like, I don't know how.
Speaker 3: Exactly I mean, they have both Leo Jimenez and Estuary Ruiz.
Speaker 2: Yes, not that I remembered that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean they're just they're getting Look, we've
Speaker 4: talked about their approach of like Stours and Casey, these
Speaker 4: guys that are slug forward whatever, but they're getting not
Speaker 4: great seasons, but relatively good.
Speaker 1: Right, Like Owen Casey is a one ten ops plots,
Speaker 1: he also is a two ninety seven opp.
Speaker 2: Right, is one good for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He's good lately, will like somebody somebody's sitting well, well
Speaker 3: they're going.
Speaker 2: For their bullpen has been like okay, but not in
Speaker 2: a way where you're like, okay, well, they're just winning
Speaker 2: more close games.
Speaker 1: How much do you believe in Michael Peterson and John King? Right?
Speaker 2: And like I think Calvin helm is a hilarious line
Speaker 2: nine and a half strikeouts for nine, six walks for nine,
Speaker 2: but he has given up a homer all season. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like Fairbanks hasn't been good either.
Speaker 1: No, it's Michael Peterson, Yeah, yes, who was a Dodgers
Speaker 1: cast off. Yeah, right, like a guy they could not
Speaker 1: keep on the forty man who's been legitimately good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a what disease a British petroleum it's the
Speaker 2: nickname good nickname.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that is pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and
Speaker 1: and John King? I mean those are those are really
Speaker 1: the two guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I like John King.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 2: I like John King. It's like the fourth best reliever
Speaker 2: in your pen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. The question is I think there's
Speaker 1: a case the Marlins like shouldn't go in, But the
Speaker 1: question is who behind him really deserve it either.
Speaker 2: I guess the Cardinals could catch them and might catch them.
Speaker 2: I mean the Cardinal will just continue to bas late
Speaker 2: between four and seven games over and the Marlins.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are two games back and also have some
Speaker 1: identifiable like look, if they could get.
Speaker 2: A second of teams, they could use four starters, but they.
Speaker 1: Need the two a second starter. And I think for that,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of funny because they're both.
Speaker 2: You know, they're at different points in the rebuild, and
Speaker 2: the Marlins were just always going to have a longer
Speaker 2: rebuild because they're the Marlins. But also it does feel
Speaker 2: like both teams are like a year too early here,
Speaker 2: So it's like how hard do you push in a
Speaker 2: year too early? This is like what the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: that's Orioles question.
Speaker 1: That's almost every team running The Marlins, the Cardinals the Nationals.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the and also the Marlins are
Speaker 1: always they're like about eight years overdue. But like then
Speaker 1: you have the Pirates and then okay, then you hit
Speaker 1: the Padres and Diamondbacks, who are yeah, just disappointing.
Speaker 2: Just ta yeah, and you like we're discussing this in
Speaker 2: the just if that's true.
Speaker 1: Of the teams behind them, like why not do it?
Speaker 1: Then you're in the whole position because.
Speaker 2: A jpreler might just buy all five games back, like
Speaker 2: he's very capable of doing that.
Speaker 1: They're also, by the way, there are three games back
Speaker 1: of the division. That's not out of the question.
Speaker 2: The Braves are kind of a mess.
Speaker 1: I think Atlanta and Philadelphia are both better than Miami.
Speaker 1: I do, but we're in late early July.
Speaker 2: Being the Marlins. There is value in like even a
Speaker 2: token show of going for it here, yes, and like
Speaker 2: there is value in like making the the other thing
Speaker 2: was like the Marlins, as I look at.
Speaker 1: This, also just go get a first baseman. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: but is there any center fielder that they can.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't because of the I don't know, both
Speaker 2: on a overall outcome level and a sequencing outcome level.
Speaker 2: If you can really project them all this again.
Speaker 1: Next you go get Jack McCarthy from from there, the Rockies.
Speaker 1: I don't believe he can hit outside of course, he's
Speaker 1: having a nice season. Yeah, I don't think he can
Speaker 1: hit outside of course, but.
Speaker 2: We're gonna around a lot of problems there. Get Mickey Moniac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also don't think he can hit us, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think that, like you said,
Speaker 1: like making a token effort seems about right here, and
Speaker 1: I and I think he could end up with them
Speaker 1: in a six yeah, the sixth playoff spot. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the question. This lineup is
Speaker 1: better than you.
Speaker 2: Think, right They're they're kind of there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of like match energy here too. When they get on base,
Speaker 2: they're kind of pain to deal with.
Speaker 1: I mean Edwards and Lopez get on base. Yes, Edwards
Speaker 1: is at three eighty six and Lopez is at three
Speaker 1: seventy five, and they're on base percentage, and then they
Speaker 1: have the guys who slot like, yes, oh, in case,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make a lot of outs, he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna but he's gonna hit the occasional three run home
Speaker 2: run and now.
Speaker 1: Way exactly and as Patrick said, and we kind of
Speaker 1: blew by it. But like Liam Hicks, Yeah, Liam Hicks
Speaker 1: is just he's got a one thirty oh ps plus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're in July.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's just doing strikeout right, that might.
Speaker 1: He sure does, but he has more importantly is a
Speaker 1: sixty percent non strikeout right, and that's all whop, it's
Speaker 1: the all or nothing, but like this is the right
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. But but also what Liam Hicks was a
Speaker 1: rule five last year, right, yep, yep. That's a hell
Speaker 1: of a five. Yep.
Speaker 2: That wow, that's is he just what's his che I.
Speaker 3: Love the five runs, and I said the odds of
Speaker 3: him hitting another five are about as good as him
Speaker 3: staying at five the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you finish your thought here, Jeffrey, and
Speaker 1: then try and move us along. Yeah yeah, oh no.
Speaker 2: You know, look, one case, he has dropped his chase
Speaker 2: raight under thirty percent, which I did not think he
Speaker 2: would do. Embraces, So he's just striking out on pitches
Speaker 2: in the zone. John kindact breaks seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, badly, So he's just watching pitches in the zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's dropped his swing rate a lot. He has
Speaker 2: gone from swinging again. It's a small sample of sides
Speaker 2: with actually have to look at the triple A numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like everything is he's but just
Speaker 2: below average enough at everything that adds up to a strikeout,
Speaker 2: right basically, Okay, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 1: Moving on to our bileak weekly Al West check and
Speaker 1: we're still in you're telling you.
Speaker 2: That nobody, nobody is surging, but everyone has.
Speaker 1: Sadly, sadly, there is a chance. Yes, literally, the top
Speaker 1: four teams in this have a streak that starts with
Speaker 1: an L. Yeah. If you look at the standings, the
Speaker 1: Mariners are on top by half a game. They want THEE.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I know we all keep waiting for
Speaker 2: the Mariners to get to like six yelds. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: had to, Well, you're here when you're stuck with us
Speaker 2: Patrick one way to the other, you're along for the
Speaker 2: Ride's look, any team can play what are their seventy
Speaker 2: games left in the season. Any team can play forty
Speaker 2: and thirty baseball the rest of the way. That's not
Speaker 2: like that good, right, right, But none of these teams
Speaker 2: are that good.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that we're wrong to just keep
Speaker 1: waiting for the Mariners. It might never happen, but I
Speaker 1: think that's the right play, so to speak. They actually
Speaker 1: have a positive run differential, for example. I again, I
Speaker 1: have not checked in on them.
Speaker 2: Exactly nothing. Still, yeah, this is not exactly I know
Speaker 2: he missed time. This is not a small sample size
Speaker 2: of him being bad anymore. It's two sixty three plate appearances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, and he played a lot last year. He did.
Speaker 2: Emerson and Young have come up and been fine, like
Speaker 2: league average hitters, which is, I guess better than they
Speaker 2: would have had.
Speaker 1: I mean better better than the tal Rawley's line against
Speaker 1: left handers. I've been a different split to tell you guys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead, one two thirty seven five. That's bad,
Speaker 1: Luke Rayley.
Speaker 3: Over the last twenty eight days one sixty three, two
Speaker 3: eighty six, it was.
Speaker 1: Fun, It was fun. Yeah. Yeah. But Patrick has dominic
Speaker 1: Ken Zone doings still good, still really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the pitching just hasn't. The pitching has
Speaker 2: been fine, but they've entered a year where they need
Speaker 2: the pitching to be better than fine. Basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, Canzone and Rose Reina have been
Speaker 1: fantastic Brandon Donovan has been a good one on the fields,
Speaker 1: he's just not on the field. He sounds like he's
Speaker 1: starting to rehab assignment soon.
Speaker 3: Logan and Gilbert might be like the most underwhelming All
Speaker 3: Star snub, Like he probably deserves it, and also it's
Speaker 3: hard to he'll probably still get in with some other
Speaker 3: people decide they can't pitch. Like he's technically had a
Speaker 3: good year. It does not feel like it at all.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. It's it's a it's a weird team.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, it's not a particularly enjoyable team.
Speaker 2: And again, like nothing has changed with the Ragers. Wyatt
Speaker 2: Langford was back on the IL. Josh Young is somehow
Speaker 2: not on the IL and still hitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got Josh Smith back sure from the IL.
Speaker 1: He's in the minors, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they did option him options.
Speaker 1: They also optioned him. I think I know he had
Speaker 1: an injury. He I think he's been better since coming back,
Speaker 1: is what I was going to say.
Speaker 2: Wherever it's it's like they have a slightly better offense
Speaker 2: than the Mariners and slightly worst pitching staff.
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, Mackenzie Gore, Uh, that trades looking real rough
Speaker 3: so far.
Speaker 1: Which is wild too, because like he's basically been.
Speaker 2: Basically it's like slightly worse. I guess run suppression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. Mackenzie Gore's All Star appearents
Speaker 1: going to seem weird in retrospect because he just had
Speaker 1: that incredible half the season.
Speaker 2: And there are guys like that. It's not a career
Speaker 2: four point two eighty r A at this point. Like
Speaker 2: they take so many pitchers. Yeah, I guess, so, I
Speaker 2: just don't am And they asked again, that's just are
Speaker 2: also still just around.
Speaker 3: When they win, they win by one or two, and
Speaker 3: when they lose, they lose by the.
Speaker 1: Minus forty eight run front real.
Speaker 2: Obviously Jeremy Pania had gotten healthy and good and then
Speaker 2: stopped being healthy.
Speaker 3: Uh, they have one so in the in the last month,
Speaker 3: they have won two games by more than two runs.
Speaker 2: That's wild. It's not like it's a great bullpen either.
Speaker 1: One of them was three runs. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: very weird if you, by the way, if you if
Speaker 1: you want to go get a first basement Christian Walker. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're Houston is not gonna.
Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna. They're talking about like being in
Speaker 2: the trek Schooba market.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're not gonna sell very.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably they're very unpredictavir nions.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like monopoly when you.
Speaker 2: Do get name the amar Ochoa.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think like Kevin Alvarez is their best prospect and
Speaker 2: he's not. Yeah, he's not gonna headline of schoople trade,
Speaker 2: and it might be the second piece of Schooble trade
Speaker 2: if you had a better first piece. But as mentioned,
Speaker 2: he might be the best.
Speaker 1: This team being I don't even want to call him good.
Speaker 1: But like even in the range of ivan, this regaon
Speaker 1: is under five hundreds is staggering to me.
Speaker 2: It's just this is It's just this is an example
Speaker 2: of if you put enough decent players around a guy
Speaker 2: having a ten win season.
Speaker 1: But it's not there's there's like Jeremy ping is having
Speaker 1: a very nice season.
Speaker 2: Is hurting Parade is having the parade a season?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what with the Crawford boxes, like
Speaker 1: he should be ten percent better than this. I get like,
Speaker 1: it's not even he's a it's fourteen percent better than
Speaker 1: league average, But the Crawford boxes, the guy who pulls
Speaker 1: the ball in the air all the time. He should
Speaker 1: be better than that. And then it's Christian Walker. Everyone
Speaker 1: else is like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paradis also got off to a horrible start, so
Speaker 2: he didn't.
Speaker 1: Yea, that's fair, but like it's it's I mean, Bryce
Speaker 1: Matthews is bad. Everything else here is not. I thought
Speaker 1: was gonna be good after his his good season bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean every everyone, it's just your non Alvarez it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, like the pitching has been fine.
Speaker 1: Like they just had to option Mike Burrows. They's been
Speaker 1: so fine they had to send him.
Speaker 2: To the uh you know they have hater back now
Speaker 2: and he's been good. Yeah, and like the rest he
Speaker 2: throws one. I mean, I know, I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: that's probably how they're winning some of these close games.
Speaker 1: Like the pen is not like she has been okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Hunter Brown is off the I L and he okay,
Speaker 1: you can count on him. I know, am I has
Speaker 1: been a little bit better of Like he has a
Speaker 1: six e r A Y in the season. Peter Lambert
Speaker 1: legitimate development there or five e r A.
Speaker 2: It's not it's about right, I think for him.
Speaker 1: But also it just walks too many guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's bad, but walk too many guys.
Speaker 2: This is not They've turned a J. Bluebaugh into a
Speaker 2: pretty good reliever. Yeah, they're relieve their relievers. They're both
Speaker 2: actually is pretty good looking at this now. Like again,
Speaker 2: I don't know how sustainable.
Speaker 1: And that's with Brian being terrible. Yeah, who had been
Speaker 1: an elite reliever up until this point. Yeah, what a
Speaker 1: way to find out Nate Pearson is in the majors.
Speaker 1: There you go. I mean who knew? Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: is here. Uh yeah, I don't know. They're getting a
Speaker 1: very nice uh stretch out of a limber Santa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like a limber Santa a little bit. That's
Speaker 2: like a middle reliever.
Speaker 1: Uh he's a one one seven. You're a well striking
Speaker 1: out five per nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, he'll strike out more than that, I
Speaker 2: think one would.
Speaker 1: Hope. Let's take a break. Well, so, yeah, but we'll
Speaker 1: make it quick. You're in the audience longer than leaving.
Speaker 1: The buck should sell and have nothing to sell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there you go. On that note, let's take a
Speaker 1: break and we'll be back with the rest of the show.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the episode five hundred and sixty one
Speaker 1: of five and dive. We're on segment three going around
Speaker 1: the Horn. Bad news in Pittsburgh. Yeah, it's not just
Speaker 1: that Dennis Santana has entered the game that is bad
Speaker 1: news in Pittsburgh. But Connor Griffin has a torn ligament
Speaker 1: in his hand. Looks to be out until late in
Speaker 1: the season. We'll say it sounds like this is something
Speaker 1: he could conceivably play through. You don't want if you're
Speaker 1: the Pirates, what's up?
Speaker 2: You don't want to make him play day that.
Speaker 1: You don't want it? Right, No, you don't. The Orioles too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the Pirates don't. I think that's the right call.
Speaker 1: It's also a pretty devastating call to have to make, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that, he's been stellar.
Speaker 2: The Pirates just going to end up. I mean they
Speaker 2: they could use him. But yes, he was also better
Speaker 2: before the first injury.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he had he he had been doing
Speaker 1: well right his last twenty I guess it's it's eight
Speaker 1: games or whatever you do. He had been doing pretty
Speaker 1: well before this. He's allowing a round league average on
Speaker 1: the season, but he also gave you some upside to
Speaker 1: go with it. Yeah, and the replacement is literally Jared Triola.
Speaker 1: It is always and there's no there's no around the
Speaker 1: average there, and there's no upside there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Are they just going to be sellers? Is that what's
Speaker 2: going to happen if they have the time to sell?
Speaker 1: But I don't think so. Yeah, No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think the Pirates too, How can you?
Speaker 2: Right, but they're running into is they've kind of hung
Speaker 2: around five hundred and they're now in the wrong league
Speaker 2: to be hanging around five hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's no obvious, like clear upgrade other than
Speaker 1: like just there are fours out of a wild card
Speaker 1: spot and the two teams in between them and the
Speaker 1: spot are or three teams excuse me, are the Nationals,
Speaker 1: Cardinals and then the Marlins. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: you can just now, look, the Pirates don't care about
Speaker 1: justifiably doing anything. I mean, but would you particularly be
Speaker 1: better than the Padres rest of the way like right there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like that. I don't know either, but you're
Speaker 2: comparing them to the Pirates, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Look, the I don't know,
Speaker 1: you've gotten Jared Jones back. He obviously looked good this
Speaker 1: last time out. It's been uneven, to say the least.
Speaker 1: Buba Chandler's entire season has been uneven. Yeah, Paul Skeens
Speaker 1: has been giving a lot back of late he hash
Speaker 1: and Mitch Keller has been giving it giving it back
Speaker 1: all season.
Speaker 2: But Kemer Majinsky still yeah, but I just also added
Speaker 2: to the All Star Game roster.
Speaker 1: Has has been good. It's weird to say that the
Speaker 1: problem with the Pirates is on the pitching side, but
Speaker 1: it seems to be the case. They're getting solid years
Speaker 1: out of Nick Gonzales, out of Brian Reynolds, who I
Speaker 1: frankly was cooked. I mean, that's more than solid. He's
Speaker 1: been very good. Ryan O'Hearn, who I liked that signing,
Speaker 1: has been very good.
Speaker 2: Brandon Lowe obviously like he's has been. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 2: settled in as words, once again hurt but went healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah good. They have an absolute black hole at d
Speaker 1: H and catcher.
Speaker 2: If I gets healthy, yeah, Andy Ryder Guess is now
Speaker 2: hurt as well.
Speaker 1: So exactly if if Ryan Jeffers gets healthy, yeah, they
Speaker 1: should be extremely in on him right the playoffs. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right like that kind of
Speaker 1: they need to be Maybe they need to be in
Speaker 1: on Hunter Goodman, who the pirates are going Like, I'm
Speaker 1: saying the same thing, but as a joke, as a joke,
Speaker 1: maybe they need to be in on Francisco Alvarez Jeffrey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently the point is you can address that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you can definitely find somebody. I guess they're not
Speaker 1: going to trade him, I guess, but go get Josh
Speaker 1: Bell again. Right, well whatever, find a DH. Find someone
Speaker 1: who's not as bad as Marcello Zuna at DH. Mark
Speaker 1: Biento's is available, I said, not as bad as Marcelo's Inna.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the problem, the problem, and the problem they
Speaker 1: can't really fix is the pitching side. So they can
Speaker 1: go get relievers, like I said, but you just kind
Speaker 1: of have to stick with this rotation group and say,
Speaker 1: I hope it gets better. Yep. I just closed my
Speaker 1: eyes for a second and I thought my deck deck. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: keep going, It's all right. Wilson Contreras, we mentioned he's
Speaker 1: going to the Ulstar Game and going to participate in
Speaker 1: the home run derby. Doesn't seem like a home run
Speaker 1: derby guy.
Speaker 2: To me, it's just a pretty hard But yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: it's it's just not the guy.
Speaker 1: The guy. The guy who's going to the home run
Speaker 1: derby that seems like a home run derby guy to
Speaker 1: me is Jordan Walker.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I just I'm just looking forward to
Speaker 2: him painting like twenty home runs four hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: feet all to like right.
Speaker 1: And frankly, the rule a rule change to to swings
Speaker 1: is probably to Walker's benefit. Yeah, because he's he's really strong.
Speaker 1: He's got a long swing. But those guys when they
Speaker 1: have to swing a lot, which they did for for
Speaker 1: the timed ones, tire out real quickly. And this thing
Speaker 1: where he can conserve and just it's the swings that
Speaker 1: he takes that that count. I mean, I think you
Speaker 1: can hit it out to he in in Citizens Bank,
Speaker 1: He's going to hit it out anywhere you can go,
Speaker 1: opposite field, doesn't matter. He can mishit it and get
Speaker 1: it out in that ballpark.
Speaker 2: I also think like it helps like Camon Arrow has
Speaker 2: the long max effort swing like more than anybody, so
Speaker 2: just being able to pick.
Speaker 1: His well, yeah, and then he's he's the the swing
Speaker 1: speed guy. It's it's fair. I guess Walker swings really hard.
Speaker 3: To Walker second CA's first walker, second, O'Neil Cruiz is third,
Speaker 3: Wilson Contreras tenth.
Speaker 1: Now he's no Garrett Mitchell, Well, maybe that does honestly,
Speaker 1: and this park probably helps Contreras more than and some
Speaker 1: of those. Do we have anyone else in the All
Speaker 1: Star Game? Is it just the three?
Speaker 2: The only three an ounce so far?
Speaker 1: They mean they needed cam Smith, should be should be
Speaker 1: in the homework. My understanding is Schwarber and Harper are
Speaker 1: considering it. It would make sense if at least one
Speaker 1: of them did it, given it to the hometown.
Speaker 2: Shorter's done it before, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so as Harper won it in this last hometown
Speaker 1: round under questionable circumstances in uh in Washington.
Speaker 2: I assume we'll get Hunter Goodman in it, which sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure he's not. He was I think came in.
Speaker 2: I think Ben Rice said he was considering doing it too.
Speaker 1: This is news to me. But Tyler Tolbert inside the
Speaker 1: consecutive hits, yeah, I mean he he played, he played
Speaker 1: the Mouts, He played the Mets, okay, I.
Speaker 2: Think went five for five diet and then then failed
Speaker 2: to break it in his sixth at bat in that
Speaker 2: sixteen to twelve game, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not all of them were in field hits.
Speaker 3: Every single one I saw was an in field hit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of dribblers, a lot of like it was
Speaker 3: a real Tyler Tolbert record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's good, like this is great.
Speaker 3: It's great that the last two guys to have done
Speaker 3: this are Tyler Tolbert and Roberto Clemente. Yeah, nothing better
Speaker 3: than for baseball?
Speaker 1: What was what was Joey? Was it on on base
Speaker 1: or was it hits Joey Weimer to start the season right,
Speaker 1: as Jeffrey mentioned Byron, Buxton has a hip strand and
Speaker 1: has landed on the injured list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep, yep the Twins or hey Polanco off
Speaker 2: the eye out is.
Speaker 1: Yeah? You ain't a home run in his first game? Right?
Speaker 2: No he didn't, well he did.
Speaker 1: They called it back for Ashley being found and he walked,
Speaker 1: oh right right right right, I don't yeah, have anything
Speaker 1: to add to this. He's back, He's back, okay, back
Speaker 1: Wood Druff's dead arm is dead dead? What what is that? So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this morning it was revealed the different they have found,
Speaker 3: they have found where it is and it's not good. Okay,
Speaker 3: so he is almost certainly out for the year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which I guess you could have assumed, but now it's official.
Speaker 1: That is a bummer. Yeah. Yeah. And lastly, Cooper Ingle
Speaker 1: is option back to triple.
Speaker 2: I I am so annoyed by this. He's out for
Speaker 2: the mid season fifty he's not gonna make it, but
Speaker 2: I'm still I literally went through the list yesterday to see,
Speaker 2: like who was over, Who isn't going to be a
Speaker 2: chance to be sent down? But who wasn't over on
Speaker 2: days or at bats or whatever?
Speaker 1: And then would he have been so would he have
Speaker 1: been on it before you got called up? Because I
Speaker 1: don't I was going to say, do we want to
Speaker 1: talk about his seven game foura into the majors? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What a rug? Yeah, ill advised.
Speaker 2: I would say it wasn't I don't think.
Speaker 1: Ninety five. But they called him up to play exclusively left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't say there was the like they.
Speaker 2: Needed another possibly league average bat, and I'm a little
Speaker 2: surprised they pulled the PLT, Like, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to matter a ton, but we might not be
Speaker 2: trading Mark Bianto's he might have just broke his hand
Speaker 2: on a hit.
Speaker 1: By pitch.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I mean I get it, like and
Speaker 2: they I guess they got the laughter back right and
Speaker 2: somewhere in here too, so that they did that helps,
Speaker 2: Like they get to like, you don't want to you
Speaker 2: don't want to guild the lily too much. As the
Speaker 2: Guardians lineup like three or four above average hitters, is fine,
Speaker 2: like you don't anymore, you know, very weird.
Speaker 1: That takes us to what to watch. It's a tough week.
Speaker 2: I got to the doc last and thought I had
Speaker 2: two options, so it's.
Speaker 1: Well, wait till you hear who Patrick and I picked.
Speaker 1: I'll start. Yeah, I went with the Blue Jays at
Speaker 1: the Padres. This is a this is a they're having.
Speaker 2: But it's also like it's like moving Day at Augusta right,
Speaker 2: like you got it, you gotta that is time. Somebody's
Speaker 2: got to win this series and whoever doesn't like Yeah,
Speaker 2: and neither.
Speaker 1: Of them want to, which they don't even get the
Speaker 1: villain Ces Revenge Game because Toronto is throwing out three tvds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of tvds in the schedule, and the
Speaker 1: Padres are throwing out JP sears, Walker Bueler and Herman.
Speaker 2: Marpigino, Guys, I had no idea were on the teams
Speaker 2: that they're on.
Speaker 1: JP series came out and and uh, yeah, what I
Speaker 1: think one the Dodgers in his uh his addict. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is like, these teams need to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I think the Padres have figured out. I think the
Speaker 1: Blue Jays need to figure it out, right, I think
Speaker 1: the Padres have figured it out, and it's that they're bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think the Padres are making
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think the Blue jay is still could
Speaker 1: still probably should, but they need to get it together.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of where I was on that.
Speaker 1: It's not that they're they're two good teams.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yep, I picked Sacramento at Chicago the White Sox.
Speaker 3: This is some big dumb baseball. I don't know who's
Speaker 3: pitching for the Athletics and I don't care I who's
Speaker 3: pitching for the White Sox. It's just gonna be That's
Speaker 3: a that's a great concept.
Speaker 1: Patrick bid baseball, Like, that's a good point to see
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players in baseball, Miguel Vargas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of people who are not Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: Settle down, settle down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't you know, it's this if you
Speaker 3: want steaks or something like. The Athletics are just clearly
Speaker 3: done now they've gone one to nine in their last ten.
Speaker 3: They can go ahead and write they don't have to
Speaker 3: bother themselves of this.
Speaker 2: And the White Sox are scuffling themselves and could use
Speaker 2: a good seria you use to pick me up, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: This would be a good pick me up for the
Speaker 1: White Sox.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey, I went with the Astros against the Rangers because,
Speaker 2: like it's actually meaningful in the playoff sense, which.
Speaker 1: Is well also being a mid off. Yeah. I do
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 2: We're only a few years removed now from and with
Speaker 2: like all the same players there mostly from this matchup
Speaker 2: having like some rivalry juice. They like, they feel like
Speaker 2: these teams like legitimately didn't like each other. Obviously they
Speaker 2: had that you know, playoff series that got kind of contentious.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe we can get maybe we can get
Speaker 2: a little something out of it. I'm not holding out
Speaker 2: a ton of hope, but the series will just end
Speaker 2: with like one team two games under in one game,
Speaker 2: one one team one game under.
Speaker 3: So ye, yeah, I picked the Siccos this time because
Speaker 3: I felt like it, and I picked two playoff teams
Speaker 3: playing each other.
Speaker 1: It's still Sickos.
Speaker 3: It's a rare combination of the Cleveland Guardians and the
Speaker 3: Miami Marylands.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do think the Miami Marylands are legitimately fairly fun
Speaker 3: to watch. I do not feel that way about the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 1: This is just like, this is just like.
Speaker 2: Fancy is not the right word. This is just like
Speaker 2: Asian fusion raised versus Guardians. Yes, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I would describe this. It's like reading Thomas Hardy in
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, this is important New American.
Speaker 2: It's like a new American restaurant. But like but but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like we're doing new American. Yeah, we gotta fancy,
Speaker 2: we gotta fans, we gotta fancy, we gotta fancy burger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're our own we do our own pickle relish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every everyone wears aprons.
Speaker 2: Steak freez. You want steak freaks, We have several. But
Speaker 2: you do a hanger, you do a bavet. We've got options,
Speaker 2: we got options. Yeah, would you like would would you
Speaker 2: like a garl like aoli or ketchup of course, no,
Speaker 2: we don't do Hines. Heines the way better than Hines. No,
Speaker 2: but we don't see going around.
Speaker 1: Just do Hines. It's absolutely correct. If you want ketchup,
Speaker 1: what you want is which I don't know, which is fine.
Speaker 1: But then you don't want Housemaide ketchup either, So you
Speaker 1: just either you want Hines or you don't want Ketchup.
Speaker 1: It's just every every one of these places. Just buy Hines.
Speaker 2: It's fine, you can get it from Cisco.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Uh, it takes us to our game. Takes
Speaker 1: us to our game. And so this is another game
Speaker 1: submitted by intrepid listener a J.
Speaker 3: It's called name that Team. We will see how you do.
Speaker 3: I appreciate, thank you, a J. I really really appreciate.
Speaker 1: The game because Deck I did not want to make
Speaker 1: a game last night. All right, we're we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make a Jeff Decker base game perfect Steve Decker.
Speaker 3: So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to read
Speaker 3: off a list of player names and you guys are
Speaker 3: going to try and guess what team they played for.
Speaker 3: And by team, I mean both of the year and
Speaker 3: the team. So this is this is uh yeah, once
Speaker 3: you guess. You can come in again once.
Speaker 1: The other person's guest. If the other person refuses to guess,
Speaker 1: then I guess it's a tie. I'm sorry. So you're
Speaker 1: just you're naming a player.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna na I'm gonna name a series of players,
Speaker 3: and then you are going to try and figure.
Speaker 1: Out one player. We just have to pick what year
Speaker 1: the team was.
Speaker 3: I'm in the list of players in order, and then
Speaker 3: you are going to guess. So, all right, Team one,
Speaker 3: Wilson Valdez.
Speaker 2: Oh great, good, remembring some guys off the bat.
Speaker 1: Drew Stubbs okay, Miguel Cairo Okay, Mike Leak ok.
Speaker 2: Nine, Reds Okay, Craig.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you. I'm gonna tell you it
Speaker 1: is the Reds.
Speaker 2: Once one of you guess is the one of the
Speaker 2: very obviously I knew it was.
Speaker 1: I knew it was the.
Speaker 3: Reds, right, Sam Lequeur. Actually, all right, I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: that if I named three more players, Otherwise you could
Speaker 3: just sit here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once I name three more players or two more players,
Speaker 1: trying to think I was willing to guess after Jeff
Speaker 1: another but just just I'm revising the rules on the
Speaker 1: fly once I named two players, then the then the
Speaker 1: other person's back in. Uh, all right, let's say three,
Speaker 1: so I'll give you Jose Orondo Jose. Okay, so like
Speaker 1: now you get guest now or twenty after the next one.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen. Okay, we're back in business. Chris Heisey twenty
Speaker 1: six again. Greg, I thought I could guess I'm back in.
Speaker 1: Now he's back in, but I'm not. Okay, fine, apologies.
Speaker 1: Coz Art.
Speaker 2: Twenty God, how long did Miguel Cairo play? It's what's
Speaker 2: tripputing year?
Speaker 1: He played one year with the Reds. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: not looking at it. He played thirty years now year
Speaker 1: with the Reds. I think twenty fourteen Reds. All right,
Speaker 1: Ryan Ludwick twenty sixteen Reds. There's Joey was playing in
Speaker 1: twenty sixth.
Speaker 2: That doesn't help.
Speaker 1: It doesn't help.
Speaker 2: Twenty twelve Reds.
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve reads is jack like because Cairo.
Speaker 2: Was with the I couldn't member if Cairo was with
Speaker 2: the Reds after the mats are before the match.
Speaker 1: That's what was Listen, I don't think I could remember
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, And yeah, Jose Rodondo's stopped I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I remember Jose Rodondo. I thought it
Speaker 1: had to be more recent because my memory stinks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trap, all right, next one, Joe Smith, not.
Speaker 1: Mike Morin helpful for a difference, is it? Marin?
Speaker 2: Marin Mariann. I'm pretty Oh, I'm o r I n oh,
Speaker 2: Mike Maright, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, Colin Cowgill, this is not helpful. David Freeze, Josh.
Speaker 2: Hamilton twenty eleven. Angels met Shoemaker.
Speaker 1: It is the Angels.
Speaker 2: It is the Angels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, it is the Yeah, okay Shoemaker. Cole Calhoun
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. All right, jet back to you. How he
Speaker 1: can rick? Okay, again, not helping. It's the same as
Speaker 1: Chared Weaver twenty twenty fourteen. Angels. Good job. That's the point, Jesus.
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing, like I have no do you have? Like?
Speaker 2: I mean, like I like, I'm narrowing it down to
Speaker 2: a range. Yeah, I'm an arrow window.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will say that.
Speaker 3: I can't believe either of you are getting as close
Speaker 3: as you are. I would I would do terribly at
Speaker 3: this game. All right, number three, we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Do five of these. I think it's fine. So Craig,
Speaker 1: you need to get it's a good luck. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Jose Lynde, Tim Wakefield, Randy Tomlin, Christ Lloyd McLennon. This
Speaker 1: is the only one I actually would get. Yeah, Lloyd McLennon,
Speaker 1: Danny Nagel.
Speaker 2: That's before the Okay, ninety six pirates.
Speaker 1: It is the Pirates. Jay Bell. This, I have truly
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Wakefield is there longer than I think, probably too.
Speaker 1: Uh, don slot. I love the slot. Ninety three. Right,
Speaker 1: you're back in Wakefield, and sorry, I have to give
Speaker 1: me bubble. I don't think it makes sense that I'm eliminated.
Speaker 1: Now we've each had one guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's fine, guess nine pirates if you want.
Speaker 2: Craig's No, it's this one.
Speaker 1: I truly don't know. It's it's points. Andy Evan's like, well,
Speaker 1: he that doesn't help. And now you can go back
Speaker 1: to guessing. Craig, take a shot. You can you guys
Speaker 1: can be each take a shot. Ninety two. Ninety two
Speaker 1: is correct one way for Craig.
Speaker 2: I was going to guess ninety three.
Speaker 1: So it's fine, Okay, I guessed ninety three. Did you whatever?
Speaker 1: All right? Number four Greig's still alive? Uh, Don Kelly, Nope?
Speaker 2: Why are we doing that?
Speaker 1: Rosie Davis?
Speaker 2: Why are we doing so many pirates?
Speaker 1: Interesting? I went to a different team they did. They
Speaker 1: might have played the two teams together.
Speaker 3: Al Albuquerque, Yeah, exactly, Okay, I know the team, Joe
Speaker 3: Nathan two thousand and eight Tigers.
Speaker 1: It is the Tigers. Tory Hunter.
Speaker 2: Hunter sign man, I'll milk another one here. Drew Smiley
Speaker 2: not helping two thousand and nine Tigers.
Speaker 1: All right, Craig, you're back in Ian Kinsler. When was
Speaker 1: the field, Nick Castellanas, I don't remember it was Albuquerque
Speaker 1: there that long.
Speaker 2: I guess that.
Speaker 1: Twelve two thousand, justin Vernon, Yeah, thanks, thanks, thanks, aj.
Speaker 2: Hold On, Miguel Caprera twenty fourteen Tigers.
Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen Tigers is correct, Nice, Jeff.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to like pinned down when Mike
Speaker 2: frances I didn't know who al Albuquerque was. He was
Speaker 2: there a long time, he was, he was there.
Speaker 1: One last one for glory. Yeah. Chris Medland okay, Jared Dyson, yep, okay,
Speaker 1: Ryan Madson, Yeah yeah, two thousand, go ahead, two thousand
Speaker 1: seventeen Royals. It is the Royals, yeah, Paolo Orlando.
Speaker 2: Orlando, great name, Kendriy Smerales. He played for the he
Speaker 2: did play for the What the fuck did he play for?
Speaker 1: The Royals? Edits and volcaz It don't only helped twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen Royals. Yeah, I was too far forward. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Craig you're back in. Yeah. Uh. Wade Davis, No, that's
Speaker 1: not helpful. No it's not. Alex Gordon also extremely not.
Speaker 1: The order of this is very funny, adventurer.
Speaker 2: They say, can I get a lout Hochiver? Am I
Speaker 2: back in now?
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen? Okay? That the first time? No, you didn't
Speaker 1: seventeen the first time? Uh, you were done a venturer,
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Kine.
Speaker 2: This is just the twenty fifteen Royals.
Speaker 1: It is the twenty fifteen Royals, Jeff.
Speaker 2: They were all the same teams.
Speaker 1: Were My thing is I did not I did not
Speaker 1: remember Chris. I thought Chris Madlin was there after their Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he was too. That's what completely threw me up.
Speaker 1: That's why I was going after the twenty fourteen fifteen team.
Speaker 1: So Morales was only there for two seasons twenty fifteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't remember when you have to find right, you
Speaker 1: have you have to like with this game. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: really need to find it to hold.
Speaker 3: Like I knew the Pirates one because I knew Tim
Speaker 3: Wakefield only pitched for them for two years.
Speaker 2: He was I think Medlin I was just was there
Speaker 2: in ninety four.
Speaker 1: He was there in ninety two and ninety three. He
Speaker 1: was back in the minors in ninety four.
Speaker 2: It was for some reason, for some reason in my head,
Speaker 2: his like the first breakout season is ninety four.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it stopped quickly. I told was Medlin yea,
Speaker 1: I just was wrong. Yeah, and then I didn't know
Speaker 1: Morales I And yeah, Madsen probably was the other one
Speaker 1: you could do. I guess he moved around much so
Speaker 1: much like I think, but if you knew, I don't
Speaker 1: think he was there that that long, right, So like
Speaker 1: you could potentially do that.
Speaker 2: I thought Madsen was like pre World serious. I thought
Speaker 2: it was like thirteen fourteens like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, good game, good game. I liked it. I'm
Speaker 1: bad at it, but I liked it. That'll do it
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