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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of two episodes of Ologies, because over

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<v Speaker 2>the next two weeks you're going to get up close

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<v Speaker 2>and personal with those wizard slowly ambling boulders, tortoises and

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<v Speaker 2>turtles an sea turtles. What is their deal? Why do

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<v Speaker 2>they live to be one million? Do they need us

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<v Speaker 2>to save them? Are they misanthropes or introverts? Et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. But before we take a deep dive in

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<v Speaker 2>a turtle burrow, and we will kiddos per usual. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>If you've written one, I've read it and it made

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<v Speaker 2>me happy. Probably. Okay, So turtles, boy, howdy are you

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<v Speaker 2>about to fall the hell in love with turtles? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Over the next two weeks, turtles will be digging a

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<v Speaker 2>gentle burrow in your heart, where they will sleep like

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<v Speaker 2>little cozy potatoes for the next I don't know, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty years. So this week is testudinology, which

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Latin test dudo for tortoise, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was introduced to this testudinologist through reptile hero doctor David Stein,

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<v Speaker 2>who you may remember from the Herpetology episode, Remember him, right, dope.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Steen, you got any turtle people? And

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, God, damn do I, And he introduced

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<v Speaker 2>me to one of his favorite turtle people on maybe

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth. She did her undergrad at the University of

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<v Speaker 2>North Florida. She had an internship at the Jacksonville Zoo

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<v Speaker 2>Animal Hospital, and is now getting her masters at Florida

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<v Speaker 2>Atlantic University, studying gopher tortoises and what critters share their

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<v Speaker 2>burrows and doing some digging. It turns out that her

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<v Speaker 2>tortoise love goes way way back. So we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>turtles versus tortoises versus terrapins, what's up with those big

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<v Speaker 2>heavy shells they're toting, and how Team Turtle is affected

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<v Speaker 2>by humans. Her feelings on teenage moutant Ninja turtles. They're

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<v Speaker 2>very crazy anatomy, let's say, and how they live so

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<v Speaker 2>long and more. Also, I feel I must warn you

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<v Speaker 2>that these two turtle interviews this weekend next I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>little too excited about turtles. It was just legitimately very

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<v Speaker 2>earnestly pumped. But pull up a stump and have a

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<v Speaker 2>sit for the infectious Dedication of tortoise advocate, wildlife biologists

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<v Speaker 2>and test studentologist Amanda Hips. Okay, so welcome, hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to LA And now where are you from?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm from Florida, from South Florida. Are like Fishermantown, Stuart.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you grow up going to beaches a bunch or swamps?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you beach?

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<v Speaker 3>I was mostly like I liked the beach, It's it's fine,

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<v Speaker 3>But I mostly I was in the woods or the swamps,

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<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, that was kind of My family really

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<v Speaker 3>loved hiking, So that was a lot of what we did. Hike.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the Florida swamps like?

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<v Speaker 3>Take me to so smelly? So great? I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>She loves a smelly swamp? How much do you like her? Already?

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<v Speaker 2>So much? I don't think I've ever been in a

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<v Speaker 2>proper swamp.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, you had to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so just even like hiking in a swamp.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called slogging, and I love this and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it's like kind of it's super creepy, like

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<v Speaker 3>I you never know what you're gonna bump into. There's

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<v Speaker 3>alligators and snakes and just tons of mosquitoes, which is

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the most unpleasant part of all of it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's just like a very mysterious place

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like very little hiked. There's you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>too many people that you'll run into out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So is anybody out there? Hello, my name is Mallory.

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<v Speaker 2>How in danger of getting chopped? Are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I You just just have to watch where you're going. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, just be cautious. But I've never had it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never really like bumped into an alligator and they're

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<v Speaker 3>so scared, like they're usually they usually kind of disappear

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<v Speaker 3>if they see you coming. But you have to be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the craziest shit you've ever seen in a swamp?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm going to just start another podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>swamp Talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I love it. I got a really

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<v Speaker 3>cool picture when I was in the swamp of a

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<v Speaker 3>cotton mouth and you was just chilling.

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<v Speaker 2>And cotton mouths are the ones that can they can

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<v Speaker 2>bite your.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad right, yeah they can't. They are venomous.

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<v Speaker 2>And so those are the ones that everyone they see

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<v Speaker 2>like a dirty hose it again and they're like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a gotten math.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, that's yeah, that's exactly it.

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<v Speaker 2>So side note, if you've listened to the herpetology episode

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor David Stein, you may remember the hashtag not

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<v Speaker 2>a cotton mouth, in which he educates the public about

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<v Speaker 2>the snakes that are frequently in fact not cotton mouths.

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<v Speaker 2>And he sometimes educates someone so hard that I am

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<v Speaker 2>in a good mood for days afterward. He just owns them.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that your swamp romping kind of contributed

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<v Speaker 2>to your wanting to be a herpetologist of some kind? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Oh what's crazy is that I I never considered

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<v Speaker 3>being a wildlife biologist actually, like going to school and

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<v Speaker 3>doing my undergrad I was so lost. I knew I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to work with wildlife, but I didn't really have

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<v Speaker 3>like exposure to any of the sciences, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of just thought, like, I want to work with animals,

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<v Speaker 3>I should probably go to that school. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a guidance that I got, Like I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>what everyone told me. It was just to go to

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<v Speaker 3>bed school. No one ever really is adjusted, Like, why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you like it will be a wildlife biologist?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, buckle up for a winding backstory that proves no

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<v Speaker 2>one's life is linear, and that is beautiful and awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>So I started. I did my entire undergrad kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just gearing it towards going to VET school. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>really like, I planned my entire life around VET school.

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<v Speaker 3>So I did all of my undergrad courses with that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I ended up working for the Jacksonville Zero. I

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<v Speaker 3>and I was I know, it was so great. It

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<v Speaker 3>was very cool. It was very hard in some circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>It was dealing with mostly wildlife and native wildlife and

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<v Speaker 3>doing rehab and then releasing, so it was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was dealing a lot with gopher tortoises. Most

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<v Speaker 3>of them were hit by cars, yeah, and so it

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<v Speaker 3>was really awful. We were euthanizing a whole bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick rundown. So gopher tortoise territory is in the eastern

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<v Speaker 2>southern United States, but most remaining gopher tortoises are in

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<v Speaker 2>fact Floridians. So they're about a foot long, they're between

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<v Speaker 2>eight and twelve pounds. Ladies are bigger hello and they

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<v Speaker 2>have these strong, scaly legs that are like alive garden trowels,

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<v Speaker 2>and Amanda was also helping rehab injured tortoises, working sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>for months with individuals whose shells had been split until

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<v Speaker 2>they healed, and then releasing them back into the wild.

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<v Speaker 2>But that didn't seem like enough. She was like, damn it,

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<v Speaker 2>I love these little mofos.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I should try to figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>to help them in other ways. I would really like

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<v Speaker 3>to get to the other one from like the wildlife perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>I started kind of like reading about gopher tortoises because

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of game do these gopher tortoises have? How

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<v Speaker 2>does a gopher tortoise slowly burrow its way into your heart?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's so crazy. I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>more just feeling like there were so many that were

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how they did it. How did they

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<v Speaker 3>do that? As far as like really how they stole

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<v Speaker 3>my heart, I'm really not sure. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So you started reading and reading about them, and you're like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I've become obsessed with exactly what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. I started just like looking into

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<v Speaker 3>them because I was like, oh, they're what's called keystone species.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where I started learning, you know, all about

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<v Speaker 3>gopher tourists and all like this. This is a really

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<v Speaker 3>incredible animal. And I was learning about their burrows and

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<v Speaker 3>how so many other animals will share their burrows, and oh,

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<v Speaker 3>really important for the ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they have stowaways. Yes, is that what a

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<v Speaker 2>keystone species is?

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<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily no, So, like the beaver is considered an

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<v Speaker 3>ecological engineer in a keystone species because they're rearranging the habitat.

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<v Speaker 3>They're taking these trees, they're building dams, they're altering hydrology

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<v Speaker 3>of rivers, and that's like ultimately affecting the wildlife that's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>It's affecting the entire eCos system. Same thing with the

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<v Speaker 3>gopher tortoise. They dig these massive burrows. Oh they'll be

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<v Speaker 3>they can be up to forty feet long.

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<v Speaker 2>They're burrows. Or the tortoise they're kid just a really

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<v Speaker 2>a stretch limousine tortoise. They're like, damn, I wonder why

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting hit man that's sings fourty feet long. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're burrows can be just like catacombs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they dig these massive burrows. There's a size of

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<v Speaker 3>the tortoise. Mm hm. The shape of it is just

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<v Speaker 3>like a tortoise. But they can be up to forty

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<v Speaker 3>feet On average, they're like fifteen to twenty, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've definitely seen ones that are bigger. Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>So side note, I just went and looked up videos

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<v Speaker 2>of these turtles with these bodonka butts just flinging sand

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<v Speaker 2>like little machines behind them, and it's the adorable list.

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<v Speaker 2>Their burrows are kind of like if you had a

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<v Speaker 2>tortoise silhouette from behind that was a cookie cutter that

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<v Speaker 2>you just bored deep into a hillside.

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<v Speaker 3>Like these other animals are using it. There's some species

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<v Speaker 3>that like have just co evolved with them and have

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<v Speaker 3>are like are fully reliant on them.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to live in a gopher tortoise burrow me too.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds more spacious than my apartment in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, like square footage wise, yeah damn.

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<v Speaker 3>But then you have all these roommates, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>There's moles and like weavils.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just coming in, like yeah, taking over and.

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<v Speaker 2>So you started learning that they're this keystone species because

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, they're the kind of people that like

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<v Speaker 2>buy a big house in Tarzana and they're like pool

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<v Speaker 3>and like it's it's used for many different reasons. Some

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<v Speaker 3>on the gopher tortoise, but they also have this mutualistic

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<v Speaker 2>How can you imagine if your maid's like, I ate

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's kind of just how I got started. And

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<v Speaker 2>So Amanda had been working on projects studying the reproductive

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<v Speaker 2>success of go for turtles, and she still had plans

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up just being like like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>of got involved with with like exotic animals and like

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<v Speaker 2>So that's such a difference. I guess, like having your

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<v Speaker 2>waking up, versus some people probably couldn't handle what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>now calling swamp ramping, yeah, or like you know, burrow

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<v Speaker 2>recording or whatever. Like I guess it really depends on

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<v Speaker 3>It's true. Tr Yeah, I didn't love working inside. I

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I went to Madagascar and kind of got

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<v Speaker 3>onto this internship where I was studying reptiles but mostly snakes,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was amazing. It was a really really great

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<v Speaker 3>experience and that's really what got me into like I

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<v Speaker 2>You're like ectotherms? Are my people? Yeah? Yeah, are they ectotherms?

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<v Speaker 3>They are?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, for a second, my brain froze and I

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<v Speaker 2>of course turtles are ectotherms. That means that they rely

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<v Speaker 2>turtles just basket on a log like pasty Florida spring Breakers,

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<v Speaker 2>and also why it's so important to dig out burrows,

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<v Speaker 2>which are pretty much like walking into an air conditioned

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<v Speaker 2>movie theater in July, but darker and full of dirt

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<v Speaker 2>and cool bugs that eat your pooh. When you are

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get obsessed with turtles, like what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>books are you reading? What kind of chat groups are

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<v Speaker 2>you in? What kind of group text? Talk to me

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<v Speaker 2>about the turtle world.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, when it comes to connecting with people in the

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<v Speaker 3>turtle world, it's social media, really yeah, turtle Twitter, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>It's Twitter, turtle Twitter. I mean there's so many like

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<v Speaker 3>turtle groups on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, okay, when you say turtle groups, are these like

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<v Speaker 2>the sea turtle people, the tortoise people, the turtle people. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're.

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<v Speaker 3>All like yeah, I kind of think if you're a

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<v Speaker 3>turtle person, you're a tortoise person, vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a good segue because we need to

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<v Speaker 2>get to this right now. I mean I should have

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<v Speaker 2>asked you this the second you walked in the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Turtle versus tortoise, what's the deal?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, tortoises are turtles. Okay, they are turtles, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're just adapted to living life on land, so their

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<v Speaker 3>limbs are different, their legs are built for walking and digging.

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<v Speaker 2>So a sea turtle really should have a should a

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<v Speaker 2>sea turtle have a different name, like a turtle that way,

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<v Speaker 2>like a turtle, you know, like the turtles like just

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<v Speaker 2>like a whatever. We're all turtles and then you're fully

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<v Speaker 2>see you're a turtle, you're fully land, you're a tortoise.

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<v Speaker 2>You're maybe a little bit of both your turtle, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're all turtles.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we need to talk about this. Okay, it

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be this needs to be a change reaming.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just feel like, let's get specific about turtles.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me some just overall anatomical facts about turtles. Because

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing about turtles. We know there's stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on under that shell? Oh yeah, like what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>under that shell? It's like if there's a silver dome

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<v Speaker 2>over a platter of food and it's just a mystery

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<v Speaker 2>cloaked in fancy armor. We don't know what kind of organs.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they have five hearts? How many butts do they have?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, do they even have a liver? Like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in there?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well yeah, I know. That's that's where it all happens.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where everything's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>A party is under the shell.

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<v Speaker 3>So with the shell, the ribs and the spine are

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<v Speaker 3>like built in to the shell and to the top

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<v Speaker 3>of the shell, so it's part of it. So tortoise

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<v Speaker 3>can't leave it shell. I mean, that is everything. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people really do think that they can just

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<v Speaker 3>walk off and find a new one if they're growing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's some flim flam we debunked. Yeah, they're stuck

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<v Speaker 2>with that shell for life. And how is it growing?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So the shell is bone. Oh yeah, it's bone,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's just it has a cover keratin. It's

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<v Speaker 3>covered in caraten, so it's like our fingernails or hair,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's bone and so it's growing with the tortoise.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and so it's basically like you can age

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<v Speaker 3>a tortoise by looking at the shell and it's got

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<v Speaker 3>rings on the on each of the scutes, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it's basically like like trying to age a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So each scute, which is like those parquet floor tiles,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of gets a new ring every year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? Is that partly because of conditions like in

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<v Speaker 2>a tree, like the rings happen when there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of water and growth, exactly, is it?

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<v Speaker 3>So? Yeah, it's sort of seasonal. So it really does

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<v Speaker 3>depend on location. So if you're further north, like the

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<v Speaker 3>gopher tourist is further north, they are very seasonal. They

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<v Speaker 3>do have a winter. They're disappearing into the burrow during

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<v Speaker 3>the winter, they're not eating for months and they're just

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<v Speaker 3>they're just underground.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there partly like one beat a year?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the lowest metabolity ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so why they live so long?

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<v Speaker 2>Ps. Not only is next week's episode about sea turtles

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<v Speaker 2>aka turtles, but you'll want to hold onto your butts,

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<v Speaker 2>my friends, because in researching how turtles gets so old,

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<v Speaker 2>I came across an ology called biogerontology, and the best

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<v Speaker 2>biogerontologist in the world, doctor Caleb Finch, is based in

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<v Speaker 2>La hot Damn. Yes, we recorded an episode on aging,

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<v Speaker 2>so stay tuned for that the week after. Sea turtles

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<v Speaker 2>also the material tortoise shell, which has been banned in

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<v Speaker 2>many places, was most commonly made from scuts of the

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<v Speaker 2>hawks bill turtles, which are sea turtles and not tortoises.

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<v Speaker 2>So not only does it mean but it's also factually

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<v Speaker 2>incorrect a lot of the time. Okay, back to tortoises shells,

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<v Speaker 2>which are the spine in the ribs all fused together

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<v Speaker 2>into a dome that says, don't even try to touch me,

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<v Speaker 2>you jerks. And so they have a ribs that are

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<v Speaker 2>fused to the bone of their shell. Correct, And then

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<v Speaker 2>what else is kind of guts they got?

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is just under under that shell.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they have crazy hearts or do they have like

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<v Speaker 2>like is their reproductive system indoor outdoor? What kind of

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<v Speaker 3>So with them? With this is uh for tortoises. You

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<v Speaker 3>can flip them over and they're at the bottom their belly.

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<v Speaker 3>The bottom part of the shell is called a plaston.

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<v Speaker 3>So you look at the Plaston and that's probably the

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<v Speaker 3>best way to tell. So male is gonna be it's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have a dip. Oh, and then the female's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be flat. Okay, so the males just just got a

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<v Speaker 3>concave so you can fit on top of the female.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, got it? Yeah, like nesting bowls exactly. I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>ask this so early on, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I'm ready for this question. I think I know

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<v Speaker 3>what's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they have crazy dicks or what?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm so happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy right now. I feel like I saw

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<v Speaker 2>someone just sent me a video of like a turtle

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<v Speaker 2>making love to a shoe, and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>what is that? And I I don't understand what's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? By the way, those noises were from

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<v Speaker 2>a turtle making love to a Crocs shoe in a

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube video entitled a Turtle makes Love to a Crocs Shoe,

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<v Speaker 2>So cursory search returns were almost too copious, also including

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<v Speaker 2>other hits such as turtle makes love to a sneaker,

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<v Speaker 2>turtle sex with a shoe, and another involving a brief

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<v Speaker 2>but impassioned romance with a rollerblade. Now, if you need

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<v Speaker 2>a visual for this part of Turtle anatomy. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 2>think of an Arctic show cart but long stemmed and

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<v Speaker 2>stripped of all the leaves, but alive and throbbing. It's

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, no, that's because I still look at it

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like what. So it's They're incredible. I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, let's start from day one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite often when we're doing research with them, we have

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<v Speaker 3>and so they will they will expose for us. I

418
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<v Speaker 3>think it might just be like just displacement, just kind

419
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<v Speaker 3>of I don't I think they are just uncomfortable and

420
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's going on.

421
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.240
<v Speaker 2>They're like, I'm uncomfortable, this is awkward. What would help

422
00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.279
<v Speaker 2>a boner? So they display as a greeting.

423
00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and so yeah there. Their dicks are massive, they

424
00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.920
<v Speaker 3>can be They are huge, and they have to be

425
00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.400
<v Speaker 3>big because you know, the shell gets in the way.

426
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.519
<v Speaker 3>It's just hard to accents. The females makes it hard.

427
00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.640
<v Speaker 3>So they need to they need to be big. But

428
00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.839
<v Speaker 3>it can be up to like half the size of

429
00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.799
<v Speaker 3>like their shell.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what Yeah? Is it all stored inside it's.

431
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Just it's like, so what happens is when it retracts

432
00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.839
<v Speaker 3>inside the koega, it's just it it like lays on

433
00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:48.599
<v Speaker 3>top of itself and.

434
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Then they whip it out and then.

435
00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Whip it out, and then they have tortoises. So it's

436
00:22:54.839 --> 00:23:01.359
<v Speaker 3>different for it doesn't it's different for species. So with tortoises,

437
00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 3>it's so strange. It looks like a flower.

438
00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.799
<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought. I was like a pancake.

439
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's very.

440
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Odd, but that what it's How does that behoove them?

441
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because that's got to be more than just distance.

442
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Why a hockey puck on a stem? Or like? Why

443
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:22.680
<v Speaker 2>why a weird inverted mushroom? Like what is it?

444
00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm honestly not sure how that

445
00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.880
<v Speaker 3>evolved because it's different for different species. So like the

446
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:33.039
<v Speaker 3>soft shell turtles, they have five lobes, so there's there

447
00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:35.599
<v Speaker 3>is even more crazy looking and I'm not sure why

448
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 3>they need that.

449
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Of course I look this up and yes, it has

450
00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:44.599
<v Speaker 2>five lobes with like, let's just say four nozzles. And

451
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the textbook line drawing I saw looked kind of like

452
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<v Speaker 2>an abstract outline of an orchid, which is fine, but

453
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>then you imagine it alive and greenish purple, and you

454
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<v Speaker 2>know what, let's actually let's not do that. Okay, let's

455
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<v Speaker 2>get just back to the romance of it. Do they

456
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>meet for life? Are they friends for a long time

457
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:05.119
<v Speaker 2>or is it just like I'll see you next you.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Say, so, we don't. I don't think we really know

459
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.000
<v Speaker 3>the answer to that they do. What we do know

460
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 3>is that they have you know, we always think of

461
00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 3>tortoises as just being solitary animals and not having friends

462
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 3>or talking, you know, not hang out with anybody. That's

463
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<v Speaker 3>really not the case. Really, we have found as far

464
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<v Speaker 3>as like studies with gopher tortoises go, and I'm sure

465
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<v Speaker 3>it applies for you know, other North American tortoises, but

466
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 3>they have clicks, they have like these Yeah, just they

467
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<v Speaker 3>have friends. I don't know if I don't know if

468
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.880
<v Speaker 3>we can call them friends. But what's what we have

469
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<v Speaker 3>found is that the females will travel to like hang

470
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<v Speaker 3>out with other females.

471
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we do. It's but the.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Interesting part is that you know, they they're not just

473
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<v Speaker 3>hanging out with any with any other female. They're visiting

474
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.680
<v Speaker 3>the same ones and so they might travel farther to

475
00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:00.960
<v Speaker 3>go see a female that maybe I don't perhaps they

476
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.359
<v Speaker 3>connect with them. I'm not really sure what's going on there,

477
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 3>but they're you know, if there's a female directly next door,

478
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.200
<v Speaker 3>they're not they might not like her. I'm not sure

479
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 3>what's going on.

480
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm pretty sure what's going on is that these

481
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>turtles have friends. They're either friends or they're drug dealers

482
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.279
<v Speaker 2>popping by the burrows and so same with same with males.

483
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Uh No, I don't think that that's anything that they saw.

484
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 3>So males are visiting females, but they if there's another

485
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.799
<v Speaker 3>male around, they're pretty territorial, so they're probably they're not

486
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:33.400
<v Speaker 3>really not hanging out with other guys.

487
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Who's digging all these burrows?

488
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:36.519
<v Speaker 3>Everybody?

489
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Really?

490
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they all have their own They all have like

491
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.839
<v Speaker 3>their own and maybe a couple maybe a summer home

492
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:45.839
<v Speaker 3>in a winter home. Oh so yeah, they might have

493
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:46.799
<v Speaker 3>more than one.

494
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.559
<v Speaker 2>And they they might go in their ten twelve feet

495
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>stay there on their own, and then come out during

496
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the daytime. Mostly.

497
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they spend like probably over eighty per cent

498
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 3>of their time underground. They come out to to meet

499
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 3>another tortoise that is hanging out. So I'll see the

500
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.240
<v Speaker 3>males will they work so hard, they are going from

501
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 3>burrow to burrough, female to female and they will bother

502
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 3>their head and try and get her to come out

503
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 3>of her burrow. And this happens all day long, so.

504
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Like horny politicians canvassing so terrible.

505
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel bad for the females because they're just

506
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 3>like if they don't if they don't want anything to

507
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.720
<v Speaker 3>do with them, like it's just like they can't come out.

508
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.920
<v Speaker 3>They're stuck in. But at least they have a good escape.

509
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 3>So even if they're out of the borrow and they're

510
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.680
<v Speaker 3>grazing and they don't want anything to do with the male,

511
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 3>they'll just we'll take off and head back to a

512
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:38.119
<v Speaker 3>burrow and knock them off.

513
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:40.319
<v Speaker 2>And then is this all year round or are they

514
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 2>seasonally horriby?

515
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 3>So well, I really I believe that if if it

516
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.000
<v Speaker 3>wasn't cold, it would be all ye round. So in

517
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.319
<v Speaker 3>South Florida where I'm working right now, they're at least

518
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 3>courting all year round. So I don't know. I don't

519
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.960
<v Speaker 3>think we really know beyond that, but they are courting,

520
00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 3>so I don't know if they're double nesting we're not

521
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:01.079
<v Speaker 3>really sure what's going on there.

522
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>So from what I understand, double nesting means having another

523
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 2>nest in the same breeding season, kind of like when

524
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 2>you find out that your grandpa has a second family

525
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.279
<v Speaker 2>he hit for decades, except it's your mom and it's

526
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of siblings. Also, okay, let's get back to

527
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the nomenclature because this still feels a little murky, kind

528
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 2>of like swamp water to me. Okay, turtle versus tortoise.

529
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 2>So turtles are partially aquatic, like they'll go dip into

530
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 2>a pond for a bit, come back up.

531
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 3>What's there to pounds in what we're talking about? If

532
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 3>we want to talk about like box turtles, they are

533
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.640
<v Speaker 3>mostly land turtles, but they're not a tortoise.

534
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>O shit, man, break this down for me. Break it down.

535
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. So why they're mostly land but

536
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 2>they're a little bit aquatic, is that the difference or

537
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.680
<v Speaker 2>is it just because their legs go out more than

538
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 2>they go down.

539
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 3>They're still like near water. They just aren't very good swimmers,

540
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 3>so they'll still hang out in water so like in

541
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 3>shallow areas, but they're not really swimming very well. If

542
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 3>you were to look at like a slider or a

543
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:05.079
<v Speaker 3>coruiter or something like that.

544
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Does that disqualify them from being a tortoise because sometimes

545
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>they take a dip.

546
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 3>I think it really comes down to how closely related

547
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 3>they are.

548
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh that makes some sense. There's some actual like evolutionary lineage. Well,

549
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>it talk to me a little bit about the evolution

550
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.799
<v Speaker 2>of turtles and tortoises, because I know that a lot

551
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 2>of people are hung up did they outlast the dinosaurs?

552
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>When did the planet develop turtles? When did they split

553
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 2>off into see turtles and tortoises. Can you walk me

554
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>through some of that?

555
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 3>I can try, Okay, So I don't think we really

556
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 3>have solid answers for any of that. But the theory,

557
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.359
<v Speaker 3>one theory is that the link to turtles was a

558
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 3>lizard that I think it's called the juntosaurus. It's a

559
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 3>stout lizard, short legs, kind of like a tortoise body,

560
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.119
<v Speaker 3>but without the shell. There were burrowers, and there were

561
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 3>I guess a little bit slower just their and then

562
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 3>from there there was a turtle that didn't have a shell,

563
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 3>but it had like a plasteron. So the plastroon is

564
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.319
<v Speaker 3>the bottom part of the shell the belly, but it

565
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 3>didn't have a full shell.

566
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 2>The benefit of the shell is protection mostly.

567
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure that that's why it evolved. It

568
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 3>might have been for digging.

569
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>That was my other question. Is this like a because

570
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>if they make their burrow in the shape of themselves,

571
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>is it just like a kind of a cool bore

572
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>into a mountain or is it more like.

573
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Hey, i'm withdrawing, please do not bother me. We don't know.

574
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 3>So it could have been that it was for for burrowing,

575
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 3>for digging, and then it sort of just ended up

576
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 3>being like a form of protection.

577
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.559
<v Speaker 2>So up until a few years ago, we thought turtles

578
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 2>went back about two hundred and twenty million years until

579
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 2>a paper came out in twenty sixteen about this two

580
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty million years year old lizard in South

581
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Africa that developed a shell. Scientists believe for the purpose

582
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 2>just a burrowing. The protection just a bonus, kind of

583
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>like a shovel that you're like, oh, hey, look at that.

584
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I could also use it as a shield ps. The

585
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>person who discovered the proto turtle fossil was then eight

586
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>year old Coba Sneymen and also just to hammer this home,

587
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>so Turtles include tortoises and sea turtles and terrapins, which

588
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.759
<v Speaker 2>are smallish turtles that live in fresh or brackish water.

589
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Although in the UK turtles mean water piles tortoises mean

590
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.599
<v Speaker 2>land friends. So it's kind of regional. Where do turtles

591
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>and tortoises sleep at night?

592
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, it depends on the species.

593
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

594
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Tortoises like the gopher tortoises are native to the coastal

595
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 3>plains of the United States, and so they're using burrows.

596
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 3>They're going to be underground. The other North American species,

597
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.680
<v Speaker 3>like the desert tortoise out here, they are hiding out underdate.

598
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Some of them do have short burrows, and they're also

599
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 3>hiking out like under rocks or things like that.

600
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Why are they so goddamn cute? I know, what is

601
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>it about a turtle? Like who doesn't trust a turtle?

602
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean? Okay, I will amend

603
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>that because I did see a picture of an alligator

604
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 2>turtle and I was like, oh my god, oh my god,

605
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I love Yeah, this thing is like, this thing has

606
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>a hell mouth. What's happening with it?

607
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 3>It is terrifying.

608
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>So side note, Okay, the alligator turtle is not a tortoise,

609
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>but it is a nightmare. So imagine a stout turtle.

610
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>The largest ever recorded is said to have tipped the

611
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 2>scales at over four hundred pounds, and it has three

612
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>ridges along its back like giant punk rock studs. And

613
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>then its mouth, Oh it's mouth, y'all? Okay, a spiky

614
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>beak that could crush bones and a little wormy dew

615
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>hicky dingle dangle on its tongue that lures a live

616
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>fish into it its mouth. These things look like if

617
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>the biggest dude on the football team had anger issues

618
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 2>and also a falcon beak and was made out of

619
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.319
<v Speaker 2>wet kelp. Have you ever seen Do they have them

620
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.640
<v Speaker 2>in Florida? Yeah?

621
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Really, but they're like they're like like very like northern Florida.

622
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, they're I did a little bit of research for

623
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>them for the Food and the Apology episode. We talked

624
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 2>about turtle soup and they talked about like obtaining it,

625
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and so I looked it up and I was like,

626
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, what is that? That looks like God's dingleberry.

627
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Get it out of here. What is it? What is it?

628
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But other turtles are so adorable. They are now, how

629
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 2>big can turtles get?

630
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, if we're talking about tortoises, there's the Galapagos tortoise,

631
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 3>which is the largest.

632
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh is it the largest?

633
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 3>I think so? I believe the aldabra and then the

634
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.519
<v Speaker 3>African silkata. So like the three largest that are extant

635
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 3>that are living today.

636
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, turtles can reach two thousand pounds. The biggest tortoise

637
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>ever recorded, it seems, was a fellow named Goliath, who

638
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 2>weighed over nine hundred pounds, but passed away in two

639
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 2>thousand and two. Also dead lonesome George, a Pinta Island

640
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Galapagos turtle who was the last of species and the

641
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>longtime George Clooney of tortoises, eligible but single, Lonesome George,

642
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>despite trying, sadly never produced any offspring, passed away in

643
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve of natural causes. He was found by his

644
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>keeper of over forty years, Fausto Urana Sanchez, who's a

645
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 2>park ranger who retired not long after George's death, and

646
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>he said, I feel like I've lost a best friend.

647
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 2>There's a void and there's a sorrow, especially when I

648
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>see the photos in my heart. I'm not convinced he's dead.

649
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>But he's dead. I mean he was taxidermaid and put

650
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 2>in a museum, so he's pretty dead. Now alive and

651
00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 2>perhaps the oldest living land animal is a tortoise named Jonathan,

652
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 2>who has double cataracts but a pretty good sense of

653
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>hearing at one hundred and eighty seven years old. One

654
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty seven years old. Yes, you heard that right.

655
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Do turtles have ears? What's the deal?

656
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Wow? So they I wouldn't call them ears, Okay,

657
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 3>what is the term for it?

658
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>They are called nubbins?

659
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Call it?

660
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 2>You will call them nubbins.

661
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 3>Okay. It's mostly through vibration, is how they're hearing. Or

662
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 3>it's true, So yeah, you're not seeing an ear.

663
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>If you were to whisper to a turtle how much

664
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you liked it, do you think it.

665
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 3>Could hear you? I? I don't know, Okay, all right.

666
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I looked it up and they are not sadly called nubbins,

667
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>but rather tympanums, which is a disc membrane at the

668
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>back of the face. Now, could a turtle hear you

669
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.599
<v Speaker 2>if you whispered how much you love it? I looked

670
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>into it and probably so. In one paper that lamented

671
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the lack of auditory knowledge of turtles. I did find

672
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>that what is is known is it turtles have a

673
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>higher hearing threshold than other reptiles, with best frequencies heard

674
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>around five hundred herts. Now, according to Sadloff's Comprehensive Textbook

675
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>of Autoleryngology, it is noticed that a noise band for

676
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 2>whispers begins at five hundred hertz. So, yes, whisper your

677
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>love at your tortoises. If you have tortoises.

678
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 3>I know that, like with my tortoise.

679
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 2>He wait a second, Oh god, you have a tortoise?

680
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:32.519
<v Speaker 3>Hey? Oh my god?

681
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Wait what this was a huge revelation. So you're a

682
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:40.760
<v Speaker 2>tortoise owner. I am, You're a tortoise lord. That's exciting.

683
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Who is he? Is he a boy or a girl?

684
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 3>The boy? Okay, his name is Banjie.

685
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>His name is Banchie.

686
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:49.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I named him when I was seven.

687
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he's so old. He's well, you're so young.

688
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 2>How did you obtain him?

689
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, it's a terrible story. So and I

690
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 3>don't encourage it. Okay, this is why I don't really

691
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 3>talk about him. Okay, I'm actually it's it's a good

692
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 3>it's is it a cautionary tale? Yeah?

693
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you buy him on the black market? No?

694
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I did get him from a pet store.

695
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it happened.

696
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, okay, So I was a little girl seven,

697
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember, it's probably like around ten, and

698
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Dad, I really want a tortoise. Like

699
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 3>I begged my father for a tortoise. Oh yes, So

700
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:27.679
<v Speaker 3>he was like on board of thing because he's like,

701
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.679
<v Speaker 3>it seems like a animal like taker. No big deal.

702
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 3>So we went to the pet store. I picked out

703
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 3>a tortoise. It was relatively large, but I mean, I

704
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.400
<v Speaker 3>don't want to say large. He's probably like he was

705
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 3>probably like three years old, and he was like like

706
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 3>probably like five inches big, which is pretty small.

707
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>And so he was already he wasn't like a tiny

708
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>quarter sized tortoise. He was already doing a thing. He

709
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 2>probably had like a routine of personality. He had a thing.

710
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 2>And so you took him home and you're like, I'm

711
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 2>a tortoise owner. Were you did?

712
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.400
<v Speaker 3>You? Cama like what I got? And oh my god,

713
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 3>she freaked. Really she started she was like what is that?

714
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 3>And she got on the computer and started like looking

715
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 3>up like Africans Looktagewartius and she's like, she freaked out

716
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 3>of my dad.

717
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>So these get largely.

718
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 3>Get huge, huge, and they live forever. So she's like

719
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 3>doing her research and she like freaked out of my dad,

720
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.440
<v Speaker 3>and she's like, what are we doing. We just adopted

721
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 3>the thing that's going to like outlive our daughter. And

722
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 3>so we they we just we did it.

723
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>They did it.

724
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 3>They wanted to keep him. We all fell in love

725
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 3>with him, and he's he's definitely been a part of

726
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 3>the family for you know, for like much of my life.

727
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>How big is he?

728
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 3>He is probably about one hundred and twenty five pounds.

729
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Wait a second, I feel like he's still growing. I

730
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 3>don't know, but I really hope he is not.

731
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Wait, how big is that? Like is it the size

732
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>of a coffee table? Half the size of coffee table?

733
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

734
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean she looked down at my coffee table, a

735
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>wooden slab that is fifty one inches long. I measured

736
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 2>it later.

737
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm looking at your coffee table. Okay, I'm thinking

738
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>three quarters.

739
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's a huge Probably maybe half Okay,

740
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.679
<v Speaker 2>so we're talking more than half. We're talking like the

741
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 2>size of like a cafe table. Yeah, he's a huge tortoise.

742
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 3>He's pretty big. Where does he live in my backyard?

743
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Does heils with my parents? Still?

744
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

745
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 3>He he eats hey, okay, grass, he grazes. Yeah, it's

746
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.800
<v Speaker 3>not an easy pet though. So he has a pretty

747
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 3>good like space, but he needs a lot of space.

748
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 3>And then we have to consider you know, a burrow

749
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 3>and in an enrichment and you know, how to keep

750
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.880
<v Speaker 3>him happy and healthy and it's a lot of work.

751
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.559
<v Speaker 2>And how have things changed when it comes to turtle

752
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>ownership in the last couple decades. Do you think.

753
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 3>Like there's definitely more information Like when we first got him,

754
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't a whole lot. There wasn't like it was

755
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 3>like you're fine feeding him fruit and stables from your fridge,

756
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's not it's not okay. So there's

757
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot more information, for sure, And I do think

758
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.119
<v Speaker 3>that people are you know, understanding as far as like

759
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.000
<v Speaker 3>enrichment and how to take care of them. But there's

760
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 3>still a lot that's unanswered and we're still figuring out

761
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot.

762
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>So do you think that having Banshie, do you think

763
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 2>that he informed kind of your interest in turtles or

764
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>do you think that he predated it because you already

765
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 2>wanted a tortoise.

766
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm not really sure why I wanted him.

767
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why that why I was so intrigued.

768
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.480
<v Speaker 3>It made me feel like I needed to get more involved.

769
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 3>He's my pet, and I kind of feel bad owning

770
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 3>him because I look at him, and now that I'm

771
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 3>working with wildlife, I'm like, man, like, this is what

772
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.760
<v Speaker 3>you're missing out of. It's sort of difficult to to

773
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 3>think about him not being able to live that kind

774
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.679
<v Speaker 3>of life like a lot of wild tortoises.

775
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>You mean, like getting it on.

776
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean look at it. I mean, it's

777
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 3>just it happens all day long, right, it does.

778
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe it's something like being homeschooled, Like there are benefits.

779
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.519
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to deal with bullies, you don't have

780
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 2>to deal with anyone throwing a milk carton at you,

781
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 2>but you also miss out on like that's weird shit. Yeah,

782
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you know.

783
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do think that that they can live a

784
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>good life in captivity, although I don't think it's ideal necessarily,

785
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 3>So I think that there are good owners and and

786
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 3>people do take you know, they love their tortoises in

787
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 3>the turtles. But it it's hard, and I think it's

788
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 3>like before you go into trying to get a tortoise

789
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.519
<v Speaker 3>and deciding to adopt one, there's a couple of things

790
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:40.840
<v Speaker 3>need to look at and you need to make sure

791
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 3>that you have a backup plan. Who's going to take

792
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 3>care of that Sanamon when you're gone?

793
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Isn't it crazy that when you write

794
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 2>a will, and you're probably too young to have done so,

795
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>you have to include something about Banshee and your will.

796
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I do.

797
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's terrifying. I'm like, I don't I don't know.

798
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't even have kids, Like, where

799
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 3>is this tortoise going to go? It's very scary and

800
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>even now I'm still you know, he's still with my parents.

801
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a house. I don't know what's going

802
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 3>to happen. And so that's where before you get an

803
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 3>animal like this, you really have to be you know,

804
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 3>know where you are? Are you settled? Are you settled down?

805
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.159
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it's and then you know what's going to

806
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 3>happen when you're gone.

807
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 2>So google it, yeah, get and do it.

808
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and also know where it's coming from because the

809
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, the pet trade can be pretty hard on wildlife,

810
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.440
<v Speaker 3>is it's not good for wild life. So no, you know,

811
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 3>definitely know where the animal is coming from.

812
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Right. You hear those stories about dudes that like get

813
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 2>through TSA with parakeets in their pants.

814
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 3>Which it's so terrible, I know, but.

815
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.800
<v Speaker 2>It's also like, man, there's got to be a better

816
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>way to make a living. No kidding, I'm putting like

817
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>snakes in your pants, I'm a flag. And so when

818
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 2>it comes to age and turtles and tortoises, because obviously

819
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 2>banshee is going to live to be one million years old, Yeah,

820
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.679
<v Speaker 2>but why do they live so long? I mean I

821
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>read I saw this thing online about a turtle and

822
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 2>her one she was one hundred and forty years old

823
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and her newborn baby turtle, and I was like, they

824
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 2>just keep going? Can imntion being one hundred and forty

825
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.599
<v Speaker 2>years old and you're like, here's my infant son, Oh

826
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.079
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, Like what's happening with that?

827
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So that falls into they have a really slow metabolism.

828
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 3>So if you think about like a hummingbird that's going

829
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 3>on a thousand miles a minute, I don't really know

830
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>how fast they go, but hummingbird probably isn't going to

831
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 3>last more than a couple of years. Yeah, seme with

832
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 3>little mices exactly, really high metabolism.

833
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that the President of the United States uses

834
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>this argument to avoid exercise because he thinks you only

835
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.119
<v Speaker 2>have a certain number of heartbeats per lifetime.

836
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that's not okay, Yeah, I think they continue

837
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 3>doing her exercise. Yeah.

838
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 2>I think he thinks that you have a finite number,

839
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and that's like why he's not super active. I'm gonna

840
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 2>fact check this just so that nobody just thinks that

841
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm shit talking. This is gonna be this is just

842
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna be bolstered.

843
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 3>In fact, other than golf, he considers exercise misguided, arguing

844
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 3>that a person, like a battery, is born with a

845
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 3>finite amount of energy.

846
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, So moving on. Why are they so

847
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:18.000
<v Speaker 2>damn slow?

848
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 3>Their shell The shell just doesn't give them. It's heavy

849
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 3>in the way, and so they Yeah, they really can't.

850
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I really don't think that they'd be so slow if

851
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 3>they didn't have the shell. I mean, I've seen there

852
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 3>are tortoises that I they're slow, but really like they

853
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 3>can be fast when they want to. They can book it,

854
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 3>They can book it. Yeah. I posted a video of

855
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 3>a gopher tortois on Twitter. This is like, I don't know,

856
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 3>probably a year ago, and she saw me on a

857
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 3>trail and she got freaked out, but her burrow was

858
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 3>actually closer to me, so she booked it towards me.

859
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh but yeah, everybody was intrigued. They were like, I

860
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 3>had no idea tortoise could run like that.

861
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And then what's the biggest myth about turtles that you're

862
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 2>just over?

863
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, it's the old man. Maybe the old

864
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 3>man like, did they look like Grandpa's Yeah, but they

865
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 3>have different personalities turtle turtle, Oh they really do. Oh

866
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:20.159
<v Speaker 3>my gosh, even in the field with biold animals. When

867
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 3>I get to work out in the field sites with them,

868
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I can I can definitely identify some

869
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 3>of them that I see that I come across like frequently,

870
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 3>just based on their personality. So we have let me

871
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.039
<v Speaker 3>tell you, Okay, this girl, she's my favorite tortoise. Her

872
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 3>name is grumpy Gertrude.

873
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I love her already.

874
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 3>So we when I would enter the field site, my

875
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 3>my advisor was the one who introduced me to her,

876
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.840
<v Speaker 3>but she would beat her burrows, like right at the

877
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 3>entrance of the field site, and so when you come in,

878
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 3>she would just like she would defend her territory. So

879
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 3>anybody that came in, she'd come out bobbing her head,

880
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 3>which is a sign offic and and just trying like

881
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 3>she was away. And so she's just very territorial. She's

882
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 3>really aggressive. I have a video of her attacking my camera.

883
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.440
<v Speaker 3>But then there's other moments too where she's very very tolerant.

884
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 3>So I was at a different burrow and she came out.

885
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I was working with another tortoise. She decided to saw me,

886
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 3>so she came out of her burrow. She just wanted

887
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 3>to check stuff out. She wasn't defensive because it wasn't

888
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 3>her territory, so she came out and she like walked

889
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.320
<v Speaker 3>all over my gear. She's just she's very curious. She's

890
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 3>also very defensive. And then there's others that are really shy.

891
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 3>You'll handle them or take them out, and they're not

892
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>they will not come out of their shell. So yeah,

893
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 3>there's there's definitely personality.

894
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And can they they can get all the way in

895
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>them so that they're just like I'm a rock bitch. Yeah,

896
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>but some like sea turtles can't do that correct, Okay,

897
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 2>but all other turtles and tortoises can be completely like

898
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 2>closed gone fishing, So she says it saft shell turtles,

899
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>which are not tortoises or turtles, but are aquatic turtles

900
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 2>who look kind of like a rubbery pancake made out

901
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 2>of mud. They'll also flippityflop about without tucking in their legs.

902
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Now getting back to tortoises though, and what does your

903
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.360
<v Speaker 2>fieldwork usually involve? Like, can you take me through like

904
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 2>a really quick like day in the life of a

905
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>man Hits.

906
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 3>I love my field work. So it's hot and muggy.

907
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 3>It's Florida South Florida scrub habitat, so there's no shade.

908
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>I it depends on what I'm doing. So if I'm

909
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 3>looking for insects, I am serving burrows, so I usually

910
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 3>go in with a camera scope and I can get

911
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 3>a view of like what's inside the burrow, can measure

912
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 3>it in that sense too. Sometimes I see stuff with

913
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 3>a camera. Sometimes I'll see snakes, sometimes I'll see frogs.

914
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 3>It's really cool. And then from there I'll like try

915
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.960
<v Speaker 3>and look for insects. So I'm like taking a big

916
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.480
<v Speaker 3>two meters scoop and like swooping out sand and sifting

917
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 3>through it, catching flies that are flying around. And now

918
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll go out with a black light and

919
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 3>black light the burrows to look for their specific like

920
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.880
<v Speaker 3>burrow moss that they also eat shit.

921
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Just cool, But you're trying to figure out, okay, with

922
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 2>these gopher tortoises, who is eating their shit? We have

923
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 2>to find out how many species are would be affected

924
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>if these gopher tortoises were wiped exactly right? And why

925
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:25.199
<v Speaker 2>are they getting so wiped?

926
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Cars, cars, habitat loss.

927
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're making too many malls.

928
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they're just they're being pushed out. So it's

929
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 3>really sad to see, especially in South Florida where there's

930
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 3>just really high pressure to develop and so they're just

931
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 3>constantly being relocated, the tortoises, and so they're getting relocated,

932
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of the other animals are getting left behind.

933
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>No, So that's so that research is important to protect them.

934
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>What kind of measures are being taken right now to

935
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.280
<v Speaker 2>protect go tortoises?

936
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's no longer I mean in the past you

937
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 3>could beasically just build on top of them. Oh, can't

938
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.960
<v Speaker 3>cover the burroughs and no, yeah.

939
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Like a mausoleum. Yeah, that's so awful. Yeah, how long

940
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 2>would they be living under there?

941
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Probably months that they can deal with like very little

942
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 3>oxygen and so yeah, they would just be, yeah, underground

943
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:18.119
<v Speaker 3>and that.

944
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>So we're not doing that.

945
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 3>We're not doing that anymore. So you do have to

946
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 3>get a permit if you want to build. And there's

947
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.440
<v Speaker 3>tortoises on the land and so now they get relocated.

948
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot that goes into it though, So they

949
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 3>have to get relocated. But you can't just dump them at,

950
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, another site. They're so specific to like the area.

951
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 3>Like imagine being you know, sixty years old and living

952
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 3>in the same area and then getting relocated, and so

953
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.199
<v Speaker 3>they you know, if they're just put somewhere else, they're

954
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 3>going to continue looking for like their home, and so

955
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 3>they Yeah, so you really can't just like take them

956
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 3>somewhere else, and so it has to there has to

957
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 3>be what's called a soft release, and so they set

958
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 3>up like pens and they have to basically keep them

959
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 3>these pens for one or two years, and they're Yeah,

960
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 3>they have to like kind of just get acquainted to

961
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 3>their new home and then.

962
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Start like kind of give up and be like, oh,

963
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I guess I live here now, is it? Yeah?

964
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 3>So then those pens like eventually they can be taken

965
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 3>out and they can be able to like go out

966
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.800
<v Speaker 3>into the tortoise population. But yeah, oh so it's a process.

967
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's not just like, yeah, yeah, are there

968
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 2>any movies about turtles or tortoises that you love or hate?

969
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, Ninja Turtles is like probably like the only

970
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 3>one that really comes to mind, either burrows or sewers.

971
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I didn't realize how accurate that was so true,

972
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>because those really are long tunnels. They are. Who knew

973
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 2>that was factual?

974
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 3>The pizza's factual, right, definitely?

975
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, the backflips actual? Okay, Patreon questions you ready

976
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>for some lightning round?

977
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:58.119
<v Speaker 3>I am ready for this.

978
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 2>People love turns. Excited, people love turtles.

979
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 3>I like turtles.

980
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.039
<v Speaker 2>So before we get to the Patreon questions, however, quick

981
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983
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<v Speaker 2>All right, back to the show. Let's have those Patreon questions.

1000
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Please tell me what we've got. A penis question. I

1001
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 3>know we already talked about it.

1002
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, of course we did. Okay, Lee Shavias wants to

1003
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 2>know straight up, how did you get your job? I'm

1004
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with turtles and tortoises, and I would love to

1005
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 2>do something with them, either professionally or volunteering. How can

1006
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you get up in that turtle world?

1007
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, I you know, it's hard to say. I

1008
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 3>don't even know how I got this one.

1009
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:44.599
<v Speaker 2>You're like, how did I get here? How did I

1010
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>love it?

1011
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 3>I know, it just sort of just happened again? How

1012
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 3>to get involved? So you can look, you know, for

1013
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 3>whatever is in your area, like you know, figure out

1014
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 3>what species are around you and see if you can volunteer.

1015
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.880
<v Speaker 3>There's you know, if you're out west like here, there's

1016
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.480
<v Speaker 3>a Desert Tortoise Council and there's the Go for Tortoise

1017
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Council in the east.

1018
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 2>You got a network turtle people. There's turtle Twitter.

1019
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 3>There's definitely there's hashtags.

1020
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Make turtle friends.

1021
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 3>It's so true, and I think that's you know, that

1022
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.039
<v Speaker 3>is really how ultimately I ended up where I am.

1023
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.679
<v Speaker 3>It's just connections and meeting people with similar interests.

1024
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Make turtle friends. There's turtle clubs. Are you kidding?

1025
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 3>For sure?

1026
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Every city has a turtle and tornoise club.

1027
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I should join one. Why am I not in a

1028
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 3>tornoise club?

1029
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You gotta hang with those nerds. I

1030
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.599
<v Speaker 2>looked at the local I looked up the local Turtle

1031
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and Tortoise Club, and I was looking for a good colonialogist.

1032
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, so turtle people are out there. They're

1033
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 2>just in a burrow and a shell. You just gotta

1034
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>get to know us side, don't lish Shavaz. I found

1035
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>your address through Patreon, and I looked up what's local

1036
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to you? And I found the Bay Area Amphibian and

1037
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Reptile Society, which is having a meeting on January twenty fifth.

1038
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 2>So for more info you can see BAA RS dot org.

1039
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Everyone else, google your city plus Herpetological Society. See what

1040
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.599
<v Speaker 2>comes up. Make some turtle buds. Maybe you wear an

1041
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>ology shirt there and find your people. Lacey Kyshuer wants

1042
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to know do turtles that hatch from the same nest

1043
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 2>hang out with each other for a while, and if so,

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00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>how old are they when they go off on their own, Like,

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00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.119
<v Speaker 2>do they hang for a while, do they learn behavior

1046
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.159
<v Speaker 2>from other turtles or is it just like I'm out,

1047
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 2>they're out.

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00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 3>So when I was monitoring nests in North Florida, they

1049
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.079
<v Speaker 3>would hatch at another shell and you let them go

1050
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.360
<v Speaker 3>and they would just they would just start digging a burrow,

1051
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:37.000
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, or eating, like the second they come out,

1052
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 3>they're just like they're off and they're just living their life.

1053
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.719
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, they're not hanging out with mom, they're not

1054
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.440
<v Speaker 3>hanging out with each other. They're just they're eating and

1055
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.239
<v Speaker 3>then they're trying to find a place to hide.

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00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 2>God, if only all babies were like that, you.

1057
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Know, right then I would have kids, you know, just poop.

1058
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Out a dozen of them and you're likely good life rights. Yeah,

1059
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.159
<v Speaker 2>donate each other. Jonathan c As have turtles been on

1060
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Earth longer than humans? That answer is.

1061
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, hell yeah, much longer.

1062
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so turtles proto turtles evolved two hundred and sixty

1063
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:13.719
<v Speaker 2>million years ago and humans scientists say between three hundred

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00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.519
<v Speaker 2>thousand and one hundred ninety five thousand years ago. It's

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00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.599
<v Speaker 2>being debated. Regardless, turtles win and we suck. Austin H.

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00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Wants to know how long does the average turtle live

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00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.559
<v Speaker 2>and what are the most common causes of morbidity?

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00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:35.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, okay, So tortoises will on average live probably

1069
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 3>about eighty two one hundred and fifty years, depending on

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00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 3>the specs. Gopher tortoises it's like kind of average at sixty.

1071
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 3>But and the one, the oldest one that we know of,

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00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.039
<v Speaker 3>is in captivity and he's like ninety six. We don't

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00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 3>really know how old go for tortoises truly get, but yeah,

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00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 3>probably between sixty and one hundred and fifty. The second

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<v Speaker 3>Ques question was.

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<v Speaker 2>They die of what boredom? Yeah? What are they dying of?

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00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean cars?

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00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Mostly cars? So yeah, cars are a big or

1079
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 3>a really big problem, a really big problem for all

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00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 3>turtles and tortoises.

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00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.320
<v Speaker 2>So what do you do when you see a turtle

1082
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.480
<v Speaker 2>in the road? Have you risked life and limb to

1083
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>get a turtle out of the road.

1084
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't ever recommending your life, but you can help

1085
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 3>them cross, so just make sure it's safe for you

1086
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.280
<v Speaker 3>to do so. I do help them cross all the time,

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00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 3>but I would I would not lunge in front of

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00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 3>a car, to be honest. I do like my life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so common in Florida to see them crossing all

1090
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 3>year round. I will like help them cross. It's always

1091
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:39.960
<v Speaker 3>a good idea to help them cross in the same

1092
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.599
<v Speaker 3>direction that they're going, because they're very stubborn creatures and

1093
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 3>they know where they want to go, So don't try

1094
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 3>to convince them otherwise. Make sure, like, don't try to

1095
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.719
<v Speaker 3>convince them to go somewhere else. Just move them in

1096
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 3>the direction that they're going. But it's pretty easy to

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00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.800
<v Speaker 3>move most turtles and tortoises. You can just grab them

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00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.159
<v Speaker 3>by the sides and help them cross. Snapping turtles are

1099
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 3>a little different. You have to be right careful.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are snapping turtles such?

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00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're just angry.

1102
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe something in their disposition just evolved to be like, listen,

1103
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm real bitchy, I'm real defensive those of us with

1104
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>these beaks.

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00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 3>I can use it.

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00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna use it.

1107
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I would if I had that, I.

1108
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Probably would too. No one fucks with someone with a

1109
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 2>beak like that.

1110
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh true.

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00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And so you can move them. But cars are a

1112
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.880
<v Speaker 2>big one, yes, okay, all right. So Morgan's sweet wants

1113
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 2>to know, other than limit the use of off road vehicles,

1114
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 2>what are some of the ways that we can help

1115
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 2>with tortoise conservation while still enjoying our public lands.

1116
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, a lot of it is supporting legislature, oh voting.

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00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Brockington notes that cuff and link from Rocky, which

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00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:52.280
<v Speaker 2>is now a Creed franchise. Are she thinks red stripe racers?

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00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 2>How long can these guys live? Because apparently the same

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00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 2>turtles that were in the original Rocky in seventy seven

1121
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.119
<v Speaker 2>were in Creed in twenty seven twenty seventeen. What I

1122
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, there were two turtles that weren't Rocky.

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00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm thinking I think she's maybe thinking read or sliders.

1124
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Ready or slide? Oh, red stripe racers. It's so close.

1125
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a different species. So so, yeah,

1126
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.679
<v Speaker 2>these same turtles were in two franchises, so I guess

1127
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:18.480
<v Speaker 2>they can live for a while.

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00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Miss. Yeah, they're very old.

1129
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they're the most famous turtles.

1130
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's a I would love to know.

1131
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'll look into it.

1132
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, these are.

1133
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 1>The exotic animals I was telling you about.

1134
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Is my friend's coffin link.

1135
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.280
<v Speaker 2>So these turtles terrapins, if you will, I know, are

1136
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.639
<v Speaker 2>alive and forty four years old. They appear to be

1137
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.119
<v Speaker 2>aging very nicely, or they've just had impeccable work done.

1138
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 2>JCW says, why are there two distinct lineages of turtles,

1139
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the snake necks and the non snake neck turtles.

1140
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think he's thinking the side next. So there's

1141
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 3>two lineages. There's the cryptodira, which is the hidden necks,

1142
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 3>so those are the turtles and tortoises that can pull

1143
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 3>their neck ins out of their shell. And then there's

1144
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.519
<v Speaker 3>the side necks and that's plural dera. I hope I'm

1145
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 3>saying this rightlidra. And they just they can instead of

1146
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.800
<v Speaker 3>pulling their neck inside. They're the side neck, so they

1147
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.199
<v Speaker 3>just kind of like turn their head to the side.

1148
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh so they just put it under a shell.

1149
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's exactly it.

1150
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I didn't know that they tuck.

1151
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they tuck.

1152
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1153
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 3>As far as like evolving, I'm not sure. I'm not

1154
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 3>sure why.

1155
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Side next side note. So I looked into this and

1156
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>apparently there's still a lot of mystery about the side

1157
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 2>neck turtles. But some research came out just this past

1158
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 2>summer that may link the drift of continents to their

1159
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 2>distribution and evolution and may have led to sea turtles,

1160
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, flipper feet, we got shovel hands, retractable heads,

1161
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.199
<v Speaker 2>crazy dongs, turtles. Man live in the life, Ray Ash says,

1162
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a lot of videos when someone thinks they're

1163
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 2>helping a turtle by tossing it in the water when

1164
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it's actually a tortoise.

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00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Ali, this happens all all the time.

1166
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, what's an easy way to tell the difference?

1167
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.599
<v Speaker 2>And should we just leave them alone? They probably know

1168
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing, unless it's crossing the street. In that case,

1169
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll definitely help a brother out. But Ray, Kasha, Okay,

1170
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 2>this is a depressing question, but we should answer it.

1171
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a question we should talk about. It's

1172
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:14.400
<v Speaker 3>a good question.

1173
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.599
<v Speaker 3>So this happens with gopher tortoises all the time. And

1175
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 3>I can probably imagine tortoises here, desert tortoises. But yeah,

1176
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.719
<v Speaker 3>people confuse them the gopher tortoises. I'm sorry. They will

1177
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.760
<v Speaker 3>sometimes live on the beach. They have like they live

1178
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:32.480
<v Speaker 3>in the dunes, they have burrows there, and so sometimes

1179
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 3>they'll be taking a walk down the beach and people

1180
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.119
<v Speaker 3>confuse them for sea turtles. Oh, and they'll try they'll

1181
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 3>think that it needs saving, and they'll put it in

1182
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 3>the ocean. And this happens very frequently. So now a

1183
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 3>lot of beaches will have signs where it says like

1184
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 3>please don't touch the tortoises. Oh, first of all, we

1185
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be touching them period unless they need help crossing road.

1186
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.519
<v Speaker 3>They don't really need help. Turtles, especially if it's a

1187
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 3>sea turtle, you should probably be calling somebody. You shouldn't

1188
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.599
<v Speaker 3>be touching it. So if you see something that needs help,

1189
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.199
<v Speaker 3>I would call you know FWC, your your local do

1190
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 3>you know or something?

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01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Got it? PS that's the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation

1192
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Commission or the Department of Natural Resources. Now, if you're

1193
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 2>staring down the barrel of a turtle, how do you

1194
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 2>tell if it's a curtle or a tortoise?

1195
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.000
<v Speaker 3>So if you're looking at the limbs, that's probably the

1196
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.639
<v Speaker 3>best way to tell. So tortoises have these like stout,

1197
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.599
<v Speaker 3>muscular limbs. They don't have webbed feet, Okay, so they're

1198
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of just more like built for digging. Turtles you'll

1199
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:44.559
<v Speaker 3>see like there, their limbs have like webbed feet and

1200
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:46.159
<v Speaker 3>they can swim.

1201
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.079
<v Speaker 2>So one's stumpy, one's webby. Yeah, so little elephant legs

1202
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 2>versus kind of webby, Yeah, webby duck leg glibs, Yeah, exactly.

1203
01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm a scientist. Let's see, Raquel Nuno want to know,

1204
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 2>can they come out of their shell.

1205
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh see, yeah, these questions are so common. Yeah that's okay. No, yeah, no,

1206
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 3>they can't. Their whole everything's in that shell. They're attached

1207
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 3>to their shell. Their spine is attached to the shell,

1208
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 3>their ribs are attached to the shell.

1209
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 2>So that question was from planetary scientists and selenologist Raquel Nuno,

1210
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.440
<v Speaker 2>who taught us all about the moon. And this is

1211
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.159
<v Speaker 2>another wonderful reminder that even the smartest scientists keep asking questions.

1212
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.679
<v Speaker 2>And Amanda says she gets that questions so much because

1213
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.039
<v Speaker 2>of cartoons. And I just did a Google image search

1214
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:39.079
<v Speaker 2>for a cartoon turtle leaving shell. So many little nude turtles.

1215
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.559
<v Speaker 2>But the reality of a turtle leaving its shell would

1216
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.760
<v Speaker 2>be like us just taking out our spines and hanging

1217
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:46.400
<v Speaker 2>them up on a co rack at the end of

1218
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.039
<v Speaker 2>the day. It's nightmare town. Jen Wu says, from my

1219
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Speaker 2>husband who loves turtles, which turtle is the best?

1220
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:55.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

1221
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's going to be controversial.

1222
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is like, this is a question I don't

1223
01:01:58.960 --> 01:01:59.519
<v Speaker 3>even want to get.

1224
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.400
<v Speaker 2>My enemies will be made, alliances will be foraged.

1225
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.079
<v Speaker 3>Will oh my gosh. I And the truth is I

1226
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.639
<v Speaker 3>really don't have a favorite. I feel like my favorite

1227
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:11.760
<v Speaker 3>is like the last one that I've seen. I feel

1228
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.000
<v Speaker 3>like every time I see one, I'm just like, you're

1229
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.480
<v Speaker 3>my favorite, and then I'll see the next one. Grumpy

1230
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:21.519
<v Speaker 3>Grumpy Gertrude is definitely, without doubt, like my number one.

1231
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love that. Right now, somewhere across the country,

1232
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:29.960
<v Speaker 2>there is a tortoise named Gertrude who's beloved. Sarah Crocker

1233
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.440
<v Speaker 2>wants to know sexually mature at what age?

1234
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is a good question. So this also depends

1235
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:41.960
<v Speaker 3>on species and location. So in South Florida, gopher tortoises

1236
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 3>will mature as soon as like seven because they're not

1237
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 3>having to hibernie. They're not having to you know, stow

1238
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 3>away for the winter, so they're eating all around. They're

1239
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.519
<v Speaker 3>growing a lot faster, and they're maturing by age seven.

1240
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:56.760
<v Speaker 3>In the northern part of the range, like Alabama, they

1241
01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 3>can take like twenty years to reach sexual maturity. So

1242
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:02.800
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it is just dependent on location.

1243
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:07.400
<v Speaker 2>God, that's like sharks so much puberty, Yes, decades, Oh

1244
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:12.599
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, it's true. A slight, slight, hairy mustache and

1245
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:17.559
<v Speaker 2>bad skin and uncontrollable bonus for decades them and sharks.

1246
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.280
<v Speaker 2>They're like the sucks man. Christopher Enbergh wants to know

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<v Speaker 2>would you consider the tortoise to be the introvert of

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<v Speaker 2>the animal kingdom.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so, really, I mean maybe, but working

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<v Speaker 3>with gopher tortoises, I really thought differently about it. I

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<v Speaker 3>know that they have these really highly social, like high

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01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:39.800
<v Speaker 3>social structures, and I don't know if I believe that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think that's smart. I think that's good to know.

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01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.599
<v Speaker 2>They're like, no, I just don't want to talk to you. Maybe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>talked about their turtles though, Jennifer Booze. Can they really

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<v Speaker 2>breathe out of their butts? If so, please give all

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<v Speaker 2>the details.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, so this is not something that's usually brought

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01:03:54.719 --> 01:04:00.800
<v Speaker 3>up with tortoises. But yeah, some aquatic turtles can have

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<v Speaker 3>oxygen exchange through their butts. So if we want to

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<v Speaker 3>call that breathing, yeah, I guess that's I guess that's

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<v Speaker 3>the case. But it's not happening like breathing through your mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's just a oxygen exchange through tissues.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that help them if they're diving or if they're

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<v Speaker 2>in the mud or something. Yeah, okay, just stick your

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<v Speaker 2>butt up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, it's not a snorkel. It's not a snorkle.

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<v Speaker 2>Butt snorkel. Rich Gross says, a long time ago, I

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01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 2>was at a fair where they had a giant turtle

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<v Speaker 2>and allowed people to write it. Oh, how much were

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<v Speaker 2>they hurting the turtle?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's not good, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Teagan Wall, I saved the Patreon question that was perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the most important for last. This is doctor Taganwall says.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had my turtle Urdle for almost twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I've had this turtle for twenty five years?

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<v Speaker 2>Does she love me? Can she love me? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So the truth is that is that the whole question,

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<v Speaker 3>This whole question, My gosh, I love it, you know, okay? Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Te again, Yes, I I would like to believe that

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<v Speaker 3>my tortoise loves me. I don't know if he does.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that he loves to eat, and so when

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<v Speaker 3>I come out with food, he loves me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they love you, I mean, if they can

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<v Speaker 2>have buddies.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, and I do think that my tortoise recognize

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<v Speaker 3>as individuals. He knows me and he knows my mom,

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<v Speaker 3>because we're the ones that feed him, and so he

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<v Speaker 3>does come to us, he's not gonna like be quite

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, active, like or like wanting to go

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<v Speaker 3>towards a stranger.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, they know who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he course.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, shoot, okay, one more Patreon question. He Brown wants

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<v Speaker 2>to know how does their longevity impact their perception of

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<v Speaker 2>time and is that why they seem so all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, It's something that we've never looked at,

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<v Speaker 3>but that is a really interesting question.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. If I knew that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to hurry up so much and that I could

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<v Speaker 2>have children at one hundred and fifty years old.

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<v Speaker 3>This would be so good for me. I'm such a

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01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:25.079
<v Speaker 3>late bloomer that, I mean, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you wouldn't you could take your time on everything? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I would. I'm not. Yeah, I mean I have.

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01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:38.519
<v Speaker 2>But you're doing stuff. You're getting you're getting degrees, you're

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01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:39.920
<v Speaker 2>saving gopher tortoises.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just doing it a little bit later. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>happy with it. I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it seems like you've fallen into exactly where

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01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 2>you want to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, I've never been happier with my career choice.

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<v Speaker 2>She loves turtles so much she can't even bear to

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01:06:55.199 --> 01:07:00.119
<v Speaker 2>shit talk them. This this is to studentological loyalty. What

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst thing about your job though, or about turtles?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any shit you want to talk about turtles?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Well no, okay, we can't go there at Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what about your job? I As far as my job,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we're in a time right now where

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<v Speaker 3>there's so much urban development and habitat loss. It's really

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<v Speaker 3>hard to see all the habitat loss. There's been a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of times where we've found tortoises at our field

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01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.360
<v Speaker 3>sites that have been hit by cars, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>think those are probably my worst days. God, I bet yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and do you have burials for them? That's a

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<v Speaker 2>stupid question that I'm asking anyway, What do you do

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<v Speaker 2>when you see a dead tortoise?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually collect them. To what I'm doing right now

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<v Speaker 3>is looking for what's called the It's called a gopher

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01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:56.119
<v Speaker 3>tortoise shell moth. Okay, so these moths will feed specifically

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<v Speaker 3>on dead gover tortoise shells.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, find your niche exactly, bloom or your planet man.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I'm basically taking I do, like take the

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01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 3>carcass and I use the shell to put out in

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01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.599
<v Speaker 3>my field site and kind of just sit and wait

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<v Speaker 3>for moths to to appear. But it hasn't happened yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Do tortoises more than other tortoises. Do they have big brains?

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<v Speaker 2>Tiny brains?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty They're pretty small, they have very small brains. I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. There hasn't been any anything recorded where

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01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.640
<v Speaker 3>where tortoises are morning, so I'm not really sure, but

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<v Speaker 3>I do wonder. I mean, it does make me wonder

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01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.159
<v Speaker 3>because they do have these structure, these social structures, and

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01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.560
<v Speaker 3>so I do wonder, like who's missing you, Who's like

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01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.079
<v Speaker 3>trying to go to your burrow now and you're not

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<v Speaker 3>coming back?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I wonder if they ever try to scoot

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01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.279
<v Speaker 2>them into their burrow like a mausoleum. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, I've oh, final resting spot,

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01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:55.800
<v Speaker 2>turtle death. Who I'm gutted? What is your favorite thing

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<v Speaker 2>about turtles or your job?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? My favorite thing about my job is the people

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01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 3>that I've met, even just like being on social media

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<v Speaker 3>and just kind of connecting with people that have similar interests,

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<v Speaker 3>even if they're not on the same field, has been

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<v Speaker 3>so much fun. I think that's definitely like my favorite part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, turtle twitter, turtle twitter get into it. Yes, I

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01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:24.800
<v Speaker 2>feel like if you if turtles give you butterflies, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to get up and find your people. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to find your turtle people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think, I mean, it took me so

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01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:31.319
<v Speaker 3>long to get to this point, to really be like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh wow, this is where I'm supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's about turtles, so it's supposed to take you

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01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.800
<v Speaker 2>forever exactly. You're not studying hairs, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you hate the tortoise and the hair? Are you like,

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<v Speaker 2>lay off the turtles? Yeah? I mean, even though the

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<v Speaker 2>tortoise ends up being the protagonist.

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<v Speaker 3>Just when I mean, I don't really hate it. It's fine,

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01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:52.199
<v Speaker 3>It's just a fable. I did get a video once

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<v Speaker 3>of a it was on a camera trap of a

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01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:00.439
<v Speaker 3>connontail rabbit that was living with a tortoise no brow,

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01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:02.920
<v Speaker 3>and I have so many videos of him just like

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01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.359
<v Speaker 3>chilling and hanging out. And there was like one where

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01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 3>he came over and the bunny kind of like got

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01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.800
<v Speaker 3>up into like the Torus's face just to like sniff it.

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01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:12.680
<v Speaker 3>It was so cute.

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01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Were they friends?

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01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't think the tortos gave two shits about them.

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01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:17.479
<v Speaker 3>They're abbit.

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01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:20.159
<v Speaker 2>How long did they kick it together?

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01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:23.039
<v Speaker 3>He was hanging out for like probably two or three weeks.

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01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Yeah, oh my god. Has that gone

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01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:30.520
<v Speaker 2>viral on the dodo yet or something like Esu Louise

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01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:31.279
<v Speaker 2>I should.

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<v Speaker 3>Like post it. I mean, I think I posted it

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01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:34.119
<v Speaker 3>on Instagram, but.

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01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.119
<v Speaker 2>It's like the best wrap beef buried ever, like actually burrowed.

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01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I very highly recommend following Amanda on Instagram and or

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01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Twitter you got videos of tortoises field work photos, and

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01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:52.319
<v Speaker 2>also follow her hashtag shit bugs for updates on the

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01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:56.319
<v Speaker 2>dung gobbling burrow mates she's studying, as well as videos

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<v Speaker 2>about grumpy Gertrude tortoises and hairs just kicking it and

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01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:01.399
<v Speaker 2>where can people find you?

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01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm on Instagram as Biophilia Amanda Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice consistent handles, yes, dope, man, make things so easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Get try to get the same handles man, hoof. You

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01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:16.880
<v Speaker 2>got to get in early, even if you got to

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<v Speaker 2>put an underscore.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I changed mind so many times too.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm set like this is this? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Thank you for all of the work that you

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01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 2>do protecting the turtles.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, I love it. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So ask smart people your stupidest questions because they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know at one point either, and also they love answering it.

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<v Speaker 2>The links are in the show notes and see Ali

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<v Speaker 2>Ward dot com slash ologies for more links. Patreon dot

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<v Speaker 2>com slash Ologies is where you can go to support

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<v Speaker 2>the show and submit questions for the upcoming episodes. Ologiesmerch

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<v Speaker 2>dot com has shirts and hats and tots and other merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Shannon Filter some body Dutch for that. The

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<v Speaker 2>Ologies Facebook group is a collection of wonderfuls thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>Eagle Eye admins Hannahlippo and Aaron Talbert. Happy birthday, earn

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<v Speaker 2>from your old buddy Ward. We've known each other since

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<v Speaker 2>we were four years old. Me and Aaron Talbert, Happy Birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you. The theme song was written by Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Thorburn of the band Islands. Thank you to assistant editor

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<v Speaker 2>and host of the mental health podcast My Good, Bad Brain,

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Sleeper and is always huge. Thanks to editor Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Morris, who does a shell of a job. He

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<v Speaker 2>hosts the podcasts, the Percast and see Jurassic Right about

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<v Speaker 2>Dino's and Cats. Now, if you listen to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the episode, you know I tell you a secret

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01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:32.560
<v Speaker 2>this week. My secret is that if my apartment is messy,

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01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I get really weirdly bummed out and kind of cranky.

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01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.640
<v Speaker 2>And it always takes me like a week or two

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<v Speaker 2>to realize what the problem is, and then I'm like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to tidy up my home. So as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as this episode is up, I will be doing

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<v Speaker 2>some laundry and maybe washing some floors. But in the

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<v Speaker 2>end I'll be in a better mood because of it. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>have you ever had cheese tea. It's tea with cream,

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<v Speaker 2>cheese and whipped cream on top, and it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I drank it twice. No, I drank it three times

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01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:02.880
<v Speaker 2>this week. At first I was like, cheese tea, get

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01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:04.079
<v Speaker 2>out of here, and then I tried it and I

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01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, it's amazing. So look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Find some locally. Report back cheese tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Also next week, sea turtles, Oh boy, it's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>other world under the ocean, and then aging okay, Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Pacodermatology mombology, rypdo zoology, lithology, Yeah, technology, meteorology, mattology, nathology, zeriology, elology.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a rock bitch,