Speaker 1: This is Dan Kaplis, and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 1: joins us at five thirty six. This is now an
Speaker 1: enormous national story, and it's a focus point of the
Speaker 1: presidential race because the video, and I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 1: it now of these criminals, you know, with these weapons
Speaker 1: taking over this Aurora apartment complex and busting into this apartment,
Speaker 1: et cetera. This just makes very real for people the
Speaker 1: horror caused in America by Kamala Harris's failure.
Speaker 2: At the border.
Speaker 1: So it is a focal point now of the presidential race,
Speaker 1: which is why presumably you have poll us out there
Speaker 1: lying about it, saying essentially it's Danielle Jurinsky's imagination and
Speaker 1: you know, the flax media flax for the left out
Speaker 1: there trying to downplay it. It is a extraordinarily serious
Speaker 1: and it's capturing the attention of America for obvious, very
Speaker 1: good reasons. So Mark Kaufman with us at five point
Speaker 1: thirty six to talk about that, and please to remember
Speaker 1: it was a month ago on this show that I
Speaker 1: was talking to Mark Kaufman about the problems they were
Speaker 1: having in Aurora because of large numbers of folks coming
Speaker 1: in through the southern border from Venezuela. And then he
Speaker 1: he's stung me by making the comment that their entire
Speaker 1: blocks in Aurora that have been taken over and that
Speaker 1: the city's trying to reclaim street by street and block
Speaker 1: by block.
Speaker 3: In a the what you know is we have areas
Speaker 3: in our city, unfortunately, that have been overtaken and that
Speaker 3: we have to take back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1: Imagine that in America. And again that's why it's becoming
Speaker 1: a big deal in the presidential race. Here's President Trump
Speaker 1: commenting on it today.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 4: Did you see that, Well, Venezuelan gang members have taken
Speaker 4: over parts of the city, They've taken over apartment houses.
Speaker 4: Because these stupid people that we have leading our country
Speaker 4: are allowing these people, these criminals to come to come
Speaker 4: into our country, and we're going to get them the
Speaker 4: hell out of here.
Speaker 5: And this is just the beginning.
Speaker 3: Why do you see what happens?
Speaker 1: Why do you see what they're doing. Yeah, that the
Speaker 1: video and the taking over these apartment complexes the mayor
Speaker 1: will talk about, and then these poor people who are
Speaker 1: terrorized in there being Venezuelan immigrants here, and then the
Speaker 1: immigrants have to pay these criminals the money. It's it's just,
Speaker 1: it's so opposite of what America is in America is
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And you have many Americans across party
Speaker 1: lines who do not want to lose their country. They
Speaker 1: have plenty of Americans Democrats on affiliated's Republicans who are saying, no,
Speaker 1: people fought and died, my parents, my grandparents, they built
Speaker 1: this country, and we are not just going to turn
Speaker 1: this country over to people who decide to come in illegally.
Speaker 2: And you know, so it's a.
Speaker 1: Very powerful sentiment in America cross party lines. It is
Speaker 1: not anti immigrant, not at all. That's never been who
Speaker 1: we are. No good American could be anti immigrant. It's
Speaker 1: anti illegal immigrants. It's above all anti illegal immigrants who
Speaker 1: come here and then commit other crimes. And no matter
Speaker 1: what percentage it is, and I hapen to think it's
Speaker 1: relatively small percentage, it one is too many, and it
Speaker 1: happens to be large enough numbers to kill many in
Speaker 1: America and wreak havoc, and we just can't have it.
Speaker 1: That's why in a CBS poll in early summer, you
Speaker 1: had about two thirds who supported mass deportations. So at
Speaker 1: this video now surfacing in our Aurora, you can be
Speaker 1: sure that the Trump's going to stay focused on this.
Speaker 6: So MARYK.
Speaker 1: Kaufman with us at five point thirty six to talk
Speaker 1: about it, and as we touched briefly, I want to
Speaker 1: get back to texting calls. As we touched briefly on
Speaker 1: the the extraordinary disappointment last night. I mean, it's not surprised, right,
Speaker 1: it predicted it would come down the way it did.
Speaker 1: But Dana Bash is a talented journalist, and she made
Speaker 1: a conscious decision last night to forfeit her credentials as
Speaker 1: a journalist and act instead as a flack for the
Speaker 1: Harris campaign. And so she did what I predicted, and
Speaker 1: she asked some tough questions that were really meaningless because
Speaker 1: she never followed up when Harris lied or evaded. And
Speaker 1: so it really last night it deprived America. It deprived
Speaker 1: America of a full opportunity to see who Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: really is. And that was Dana Bash's mission was to
Speaker 1: deprive America of that opportunity because Dana Bash, almost the
Speaker 1: entire media wants Trump to lose, and if people can
Speaker 1: who Kamala Harris really is, then Trump is certain to win.
Speaker 1: And so last night was a real disservice to the
Speaker 1: American people. What was so interesting to me, and I
Speaker 1: won't play the sound again right now because we have
Speaker 1: other stuff to cover, is the way she did go
Speaker 1: after Walls, and then Walls, as you know, came out
Speaker 1: and he lied, he lied. She teed it up for him,
Speaker 1: just how all he had to do was admitt he misspoke.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do that, He claimed it was bad grammar. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what the people, working people everywhere, working people in
Speaker 1: the Upper Midwest, I know in particular growing up in Chicago,
Speaker 1: Ryan and Michigan, value the truth. It's a core value.
Speaker 1: It's what people build their lives around. And when a
Speaker 1: guy like Walls, who pretends to be mister workingman and
Speaker 1: mister Midwest comes out and he lies to you like
Speaker 1: that and says, oh no, saying he carried a weapon
Speaker 1: of war in a war zone, that's when he was
Speaker 1: at war. That's poor grammar that just insults people's intelligence.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, and you know this to
Speaker 1: be true. I'm sure that on average, if you take
Speaker 1: a big old group of working people and you take
Speaker 1: a big old group of rich people, the big old
Speaker 1: group of working people is going to be as smart
Speaker 1: or smarter, and then you're going to have a bunch
Speaker 1: of other explanations for why people are in different circumstances
Speaker 1: in life. And so when you then say to working people,
Speaker 1: oh no, that was just bad grammar, first of all,
Speaker 1: you're violating their core value of honesty. Second, you're insulting
Speaker 1: their intelligence. So what was interesting to me last night
Speaker 1: when Bash did go after Walls and stayed on him
Speaker 1: to a point, not enough, but to a point pointing
Speaker 1: out other lives of his, is that she's trying to
Speaker 1: run him out of the race. The Left has not
Speaker 1: given up on running Walls out of the race, and
Speaker 1: that concerns me because we need Walls as part of
Speaker 1: the ticket. We don't need Harris replacing Walls with Shapiro. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let me get back to some of these great text
Speaker 1: Texter Dan got disagree. Have you heard the ad produced
Speaker 1: by rfk's running mate it's hilarious, Mike and Henderson. I
Speaker 1: have seen and heard that ad. It is brilliant. If
Speaker 1: we don't err it today, well, Eric Monday, we are
Speaker 1: so busy today. But let me play that Trump ad
Speaker 1: again in case you weren't here when we played it earlier.
Speaker 1: It is by far the best ad produced yet by
Speaker 1: the Trump campaign, and they produced some good ones. And
Speaker 1: this spins off of Harris in the BackRub last night
Speaker 1: claiming that, oh no, my values have not changed.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these other positions she claims have changed, and
Speaker 1: they really haven't. But she her cover story for that
Speaker 1: is all my values have not changed. And the Trump
Speaker 1: campaign brilliantly took advantage to that of that to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's going to do all those awful things that
Speaker 1: she told you before she was going to do.
Speaker 5: My values have not changed. Here's red meat, specifically, Yes
Speaker 5: of Boston Marathon bomber they to vote.
Speaker 2: I think we should have that conversation.
Speaker 5: Abolish ice, Yes, would you ban off shore drilling?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 7: I'm in favorite banning frack. I am prepared to pass
Speaker 7: agreeing to deal, and I support a mandatory buyback program.
Speaker 7: We're not going to treat people who are undocumented borders, criminals.
Speaker 7: The idea that more police equals more safety, that's just wrong.
Speaker 1: Policing as we know, goes all the way back to
Speaker 1: slave patrols and that idea.
Speaker 5: Yes, you are absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on defund the police?
Speaker 7: We need to take a look at these budgets?
Speaker 1: Do you ban plastic straws? And I wish a seventy
Speaker 1: to eighty percent tax rate.
Speaker 7: I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 5: Chipping now to the Minnesota Freedom Fund. How dare we
Speaker 5: speak Merry Christmas?
Speaker 1: I am rad.
Speaker 3: I do believe that we need to get radical about
Speaker 3: what we are doing over a.
Speaker 1: Wow, So that's a sixty. That's going to be real expensive.
Speaker 1: But hopefully they can raise the money and they can
Speaker 1: run that on a loop in Swing States Ate five
Speaker 1: five four zero five eight two five five text d
Speaker 1: A N five seven seven thirty nine, Mayor Mike Kaufman
Speaker 1: at five point thirty six. And one of the questions
Speaker 1: we'll ask them are is, Hey, why aren't these apartment
Speaker 1: complexes that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs been
Speaker 1: flooded with police? And don't blame that? Great men and
Speaker 1: women in blue and Aura for this. But why haven't
Speaker 1: they been flooded with police from day one? This cannot
Speaker 1: be allowed to exist. So good of the mayor to
Speaker 1: come in and he'll be here at five thirty six. Dan,
Speaker 1: please ask my Kaufman if being a sanctuary state has
Speaker 1: anything to do with the situation. I will certainly are
Speaker 1: these illegals being turned over to ICE? I will certainly
Speaker 1: ask the mayor that, Dan, what will happen when Trump wins?
Speaker 1: It was a mostly peaceful riot. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Believe me. I am not in any way, shape or
Speaker 1: form declaring this race over. I'm just pointing out that,
Speaker 1: as I predicted, you know, Harris's peaked, and now things
Speaker 1: are starting to turn in Trump's favor, earlier than I
Speaker 1: thought they would, but starting to turn in Trump's favor
Speaker 1: to the point where Nate Silver, who does not come
Speaker 1: from the right on well it's not five thirty eighty,
Speaker 1: sold that to ABC, but his own separate Nate's Silver blog,
Speaker 1: has now moved Trump into a six point five lead.
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean Trump has a six zo point
Speaker 1: five lead in any particular polls, but what it means is,
Speaker 1: as Nate Silver does his analysis and part of it
Speaker 1: includes polls, and part includes other dynamics and historical trends,
Speaker 1: et cetera. He as of today says that there's about
Speaker 1: a six to seven point greater chance that Trump wins
Speaker 1: the presidency. Now, just a few days ago he had
Speaker 1: at about sixty forty in Harris's favor, So expect this
Speaker 1: to jump all over the place, whether that's Nate trying
Speaker 1: to get more attention for his blog, trying to manipulate
Speaker 1: things politically, or whether it's a straight up analysis. As
Speaker 1: of today, he has Trump more likely to win the
Speaker 1: race in the trend line right now for lots of reasons.
Speaker 1: Very good for Trump eight f five for zero five
Speaker 1: eight two five five in number. When we come back,
Speaker 1: leading into Mayor Kaufman joining us in what has become
Speaker 1: a big issue in the presidential race, which is the
Speaker 1: takeover of apartment complexes in Aurora by Venezuelan gangs. Here
Speaker 1: on the Dan Kapla Show, and.
Speaker 6: Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast Your.
Speaker 8: Residence, Cindy Romero counselwoman Jorensky, who has been amazing. My
Speaker 8: first conversation with her, she said, she said, do you
Speaker 8: still live there?
Speaker 1: And I said yes, And she said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get you out of there. Wow, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: make it my work.
Speaker 9: So you're singing her praises. In the meantime, the office
Speaker 9: of Governor Jared Paulus is saying she's making all of
Speaker 9: this up.
Speaker 1: Listen to what a spokesman said.
Speaker 9: According to police intelligence, this purported invasion, I guess of
Speaker 9: these apartment buildings is largely a feature of Danielle Jurinsky's imagination.
Speaker 2: What do you say to that.
Speaker 8: You can't fake video and poulis within the last five
Speaker 8: minutes on that property.
Speaker 9: Wow, here's what daniel min is. Here's what Danielle said
Speaker 9: about I'll listen to this.
Speaker 5: I absolutely did.
Speaker 1: Not make any of this up.
Speaker 7: I love that is how our governor has quickly rushed
Speaker 7: in to say that that's the actual problem here. But
Speaker 7: the actual problem here are his weak policies that have
Speaker 7: turned this state into a breeding ground for this gang activity.
Speaker 9: Sidney, why do you think the Governor's office has got
Speaker 9: its head stuck firmly in the sand over this issue.
Speaker 8: They don't want to admit that they're part of the problem.
Speaker 8: It's the administration who we count on to make the
Speaker 8: rules for us, to make the guidelines that we go by.
Speaker 8: I call nine to one one, No help comes for me.
Speaker 1: No help.
Speaker 8: There's no mess amounts of police that show up to
Speaker 8: make sure that we're defended.
Speaker 1: Nobody showed up to help me.
Speaker 8: I didn't have a bulletproof vest I didn't have five
Speaker 8: officers showing up with me. Whenever there was a problem,
Speaker 8: we were on our own and we were left to die.
Speaker 1: Wow, you should have no.
Speaker 8: Registration in this country.
Speaker 9: And we should point out that the scenes that you're
Speaker 9: seeing on the right hand side of the screen there,
Speaker 9: those were taken from Cindy's ring doorbell or video doorbell
Speaker 9: while she was inside her apartment.
Speaker 2: You can imagine what it was.
Speaker 1: Hey, bro, can you take us into CNN? They've got
Speaker 1: polus on it and they just threw up a headline.
Speaker 10: Is this something that you need to take more seriously?
Speaker 5: Oh, we take it very seriously.
Speaker 11: Weeks ago, I convened the City of Aurora with the
Speaker 11: state and federal government. Look, it is completely illegal in
Speaker 11: Colorado to take over and occupy a building and a
Speaker 11: lot of police departments on the front lines if they
Speaker 11: need our help. I've told the mayor I've told the
Speaker 11: police department, the state is ready to assist your police
Speaker 11: department if it's above and beyond your capabilities to do that.
Speaker 11: If the people alleging this have more evidence, please bring
Speaker 11: it forward, give it to Aurora Police Department. The State
Speaker 11: of Colorado takes these kinds of threats very seriously.
Speaker 10: Then, looking back on this statement about according to police intelligence,
Speaker 10: this purported invasion is largely a feature of a particular
Speaker 10: council woman's imagination. How are you reflecting on that?
Speaker 11: Oh, if there is a building that was taken over
Speaker 11: by gangs, the state would assist the Aurora Police Department
Speaker 11: in taking it back within moments. So all we await
Speaker 11: is a call from Aurora saying there's any building in
Speaker 11: the control of any gang and we are ready to
Speaker 11: help take it back. That call has not happened because
Speaker 11: Aurora Police does not currently believe or they haven't told us,
Speaker 11: that there's any buildings in control of gangs.
Speaker 5: Can we still on this show?
Speaker 1: He's about to see it in five.
Speaker 11: Minutes facilit illegally in all fifty states, and Colorado is
Speaker 11: a zero tolerance policy. And I hope that the city
Speaker 11: of Aurora, which is controlled by Republicans, Republican mayor Republican
Speaker 11: city council. I hope they also have a zero tolerance
Speaker 11: policy to this kind of law breaking if it's occurring
Speaker 11: within their borders.
Speaker 10: I do want to make a turn. This is a
Speaker 10: very different topic, I think one.
Speaker 1: That can bail out of it. It's just so polish.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And the fact that this guy's governor of Colorado, because
Speaker 1: think about Colorado, whether somebody is a Democrat or Republican
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, the ethic of Colorado. The West
Speaker 1: right is supposed to be a stand up You tell
Speaker 1: the truth, you stand by what you say. If you're wrong,
Speaker 1: you then admit it. The guy is so weasily, so weasily.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the guy who came out and said, no,
Speaker 1: this is a fig a figment of Danielle Chirinsky's imagination.
Speaker 1: Oh wait a second. Mark Kaufman is on the record.
Speaker 1: He said it on the show, and he's going to
Speaker 1: say it on the show again in about nine minutes.
Speaker 1: That no, we have apartment complexes that have been taken
Speaker 1: over by Venezuelan gangs. Police knows it's true, but he
Speaker 1: lies about it because it's happened in his state, right,
Speaker 1: and credit to see an n credit to see an
Speaker 1: end for confronting him on it. And then of course
Speaker 1: he lies again.
Speaker 6: He's the worst. He just says, well, if there's a problem,
Speaker 6: they haven't called us, they haven't told us about it,
Speaker 6: so there must not be a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But credit credit to CNN for calling him out
Speaker 1: on hey saying it's a figment of the imagination.
Speaker 2: If do you stand by that?
Speaker 1: And then how police weaseled around that?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Mary Kaufman joins us at five thirty six,
Speaker 1: and he will talk about what he talked about on
Speaker 1: my show back on July thirty first.
Speaker 3: But what you know is we have areas in our city,
Speaker 3: unfortunately that have been overtaken and that we have to
Speaker 3: take back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Polus knows it's real, he knows it's happening,
Speaker 1: and he goes out and he denigrates this councilwoman that
Speaker 1: way by essentially telling people she's lying. Oh, it's a
Speaker 1: figment of her imagination. And then credit to CNN for
Speaker 1: confronting him. Now they had him on, you know, to
Speaker 1: do his flag thing for Harris and everything else, but
Speaker 1: they brought it up and confronted him on it good
Speaker 1: for CNN eight y five or zero five eight two
Speaker 1: five five the number bad for CNN. What happened last night?
Speaker 1: That was a grave disservice to the American people when
Speaker 1: when they went out and they protected Harris, and they
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to show the people who she really is,
Speaker 1: what she really stands for, how she can handle tough questions,
Speaker 1: and they decided to serve as a flack for her.
Speaker 1: And again it's a disservice to the American people. Let
Speaker 1: him see who she really is and make an informed decision.
Speaker 1: But what they're admitting is she's not qualified, she's not
Speaker 1: capable of doing the job. And that's why they had
Speaker 1: to protect her by first of all, not asking the
Speaker 1: follow up questions when she evaded or lied. But second Ryan,
Speaker 1: where's the rest of the interview? The interview that aired
Speaker 1: was twenty eight minutes, They sat down for an hour.
Speaker 1: Where's the rest of the interview? Where's the transcript? So
Speaker 1: just just a grave dis service last night. Coming up
Speaker 1: next Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora, and what he's going
Speaker 1: to tell you is, no, it is true that apartment
Speaker 1: complexes have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs, even though
Speaker 1: Jared Pola says it's a figment of Councilwoman Jurinsky's imagination.
Speaker 1: And then we'll talk to Mary Kaufman about, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know what can be done? This obviously can't be tolerated,
Speaker 1: What can be done, Why hasn't it been done already?
Speaker 1: And we'll get very concrete about what is the fix there,
Speaker 1: because this isn't America. It cannot be America. It cannot
Speaker 1: be the new normal in America. That we know for sure,
Speaker 1: across party lines we know, which is why it's becoming
Speaker 1: a flashpoint in the presidential race because this video is
Speaker 1: national now. People don't want that as the future of America.
Speaker 1: That's why Jared Polus is lying and saying that's really
Speaker 1: not happening, because it knows it hurts Democrats so much
Speaker 1: because it's democrats, it's Kamala Harris, Democrats like Kim who
Speaker 1: want that border open. Mark Kaufman next on The Dan
Speaker 1: Kaplis Show.
Speaker 6: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3: What you know is we have areas in our city,
Speaker 3: unfortunately that have been overtaken and that we have to
Speaker 3: take back street by street.
Speaker 1: Block by block privileged to have or is Mayor Mike
Speaker 1: Kaufman in studio with us right now? This is big
Speaker 1: national story, as you know, mister Maren. In fact, President
Speaker 1: Trump addressed it today amazingly as we were waiting for
Speaker 1: you to come in.
Speaker 2: We're on live.
Speaker 1: In our last segment, Governor Polis shows up on CNN
Speaker 1: and CNN starts, to their credit, they start grilling him
Speaker 1: on way a second. Governor, you say that this story
Speaker 1: that Venezuela and gangs are taking over apartment complexes in
Speaker 1: Aurora is a figment of a councilwoman's imagination. Do you
Speaker 1: stand by that, Governor? And then he weaseled around that.
Speaker 1: But let's start our time together today with is this
Speaker 1: a figment of Danielle Jerinsky's imagination or is it really happening?
Speaker 2: Well, that's not a fact my imagination. So that.
Speaker 12: There are several buildings that are problematic that where there
Speaker 12: is a concentration of Veezuelan migrants, and I think you know,
Speaker 12: when you have a concentration of venezuel and migrants, sometimes
Speaker 12: that criminal element follows, and I think that's what happened here.
Speaker 12: So the interesting thing is the City of Aurora and
Speaker 12: council supported me. I did everything we could to stay
Speaker 12: out of this migrant crisis. We said at the beginning
Speaker 12: that we would spend no tax dollars unlike Denver, and
Speaker 12: went step further and said we would not be a
Speaker 12: conduit to federal or state resources coming down to provide assistance,
Speaker 12: because I just felt that at that time that you
Speaker 12: know that there would be lots of legacy type costs,
Speaker 12: and you know we would never be compensated for it.
Speaker 2: And I disagreed with federal policy at the border, and
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 12: That that accepting them would acquiesce to what's going on
Speaker 12: in the border. And so what happened was you had
Speaker 12: this mass, a wave of migrants coming up from Venezuela,
Speaker 12: and Venezuela is essentially.
Speaker 2: A failed state.
Speaker 12: I mean you the police there or their only job
Speaker 12: is to defend the dictatorship. It's not to protect the
Speaker 12: people from crime, so criminal and the economies creators, so
Speaker 12: criminality is just rampant down there. And so I think
Speaker 12: you which you had with that wave of immigration, and
Speaker 12: you have the country of Venezuela that does not cooperate
Speaker 12: as other countries do with US Immigration Services when it
Speaker 12: comes to criminal history. So I don't know what was
Speaker 12: done to vet people at the border. But when you
Speaker 12: have a policy, to me, what's what, it's such a
Speaker 12: gray area what's legal what's illegal? Because you can today
Speaker 12: under this administration, walk across the border illegally, get arrested, uh,
Speaker 12: declare that you want to apply for political asylum, get
Speaker 12: what's called humanitarian prolled into the country, and your court
Speaker 12: date is way out there, who knows when.
Speaker 2: Years to get it adjudicated.
Speaker 12: And to end, you're not allowed to work for six
Speaker 12: You can't apply for a work permit for six months.
Speaker 12: This is not like the immigration we've had, and I'm
Speaker 12: a real pro legal immigration. We have one of the
Speaker 12: most diverse communities in the Colorado.
Speaker 1: Well, you did all these things right to try to
Speaker 1: stop this from coming to Aurora. So how did all
Speaker 1: these people end up in Aura?
Speaker 12: Well, I'm trying to walk it back, and what I
Speaker 12: think has happened was this. I think this is the
Speaker 12: This is these properties all belong to the same owner,
Speaker 12: and he's an out of state owner. Quite frankly, it
Speaker 12: is its lumlord. He let us properties deteriorate. I think
Speaker 12: they had a reasonable high vacancy rate, and he has
Speaker 12: really cheap rents as a result of that. And so
Speaker 12: what I think is that a federal government or state government,
Speaker 12: one of the two went to some of our local
Speaker 12: nonprofits and offer this guy ideal, said, you know, we'll
Speaker 12: pay you guarantee.
Speaker 2: For so many months you take them in.
Speaker 12: And then and then you had this concentration of Venezuela
Speaker 12: migrants in there, and I think the criminal element followed,
Speaker 12: and they and the criminal elements tend to exploit its
Speaker 12: own within its own community. So I think that's you know, here,
Speaker 12: here's a city that did its best to stay out
Speaker 12: of this. Can they get ended up getting stuck with
Speaker 12: the worst of it?
Speaker 1: How did these folks end up in a rord to
Speaker 1: begin with?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Were they shipped there by Denver or did they go.
Speaker 12: You know, I think that's one thing we got to
Speaker 12: look at. Was it you know, was Denver somehow, I
Speaker 12: hope not complicit in this? Was a stay complicit in this?
Speaker 12: I think, if I had to bet, I guess probably
Speaker 12: federal government, you know, whether it's FEMA.
Speaker 2: I don't know who it was. Uh, you know that
Speaker 2: they went of.
Speaker 12: Our nonprofits got a contract with them, didn't go through
Speaker 12: the city we're not aware of and place them in
Speaker 12: the in these with this one owners and the problem
Speaker 12: resides really with his one owner and his properties.
Speaker 1: How many apartment complexes at this point have been taken
Speaker 1: over by these Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 2: Several they're three, okay.
Speaker 1: And then when you were with us in July thirty
Speaker 1: first you talked about how there are are blocks in
Speaker 1: Aurora that have to be taken back block Bible.
Speaker 2: I think what I was referring to there is a
Speaker 2: different kind of crime, you know.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, I'm really focused on the Kofeci Quodor, which is
Speaker 12: which is a kind of it's unfortunately a high crime area,
Speaker 12: and these things are very close within the vicinity. Really,
Speaker 12: I would consider part of the Quarridor. When I was
Speaker 12: a kid growing up, it was the central business district
Speaker 12: for the city, you know, really vibrant, really exciting, you know,
Speaker 12: and all retail pretty much mostly retail. And the problem
Speaker 12: is is that it's those buildings are still there, the
Speaker 12: same buildings when I was a kid, only they're vacant
Speaker 12: or they're marginally used.
Speaker 2: I'm working to redevelop the area.
Speaker 12: But what you have, uh, is you got a lot
Speaker 12: of drug dealing, prostitution and homelessness in that area.
Speaker 1: And getting back to the Venezuelan gangs taking over these
Speaker 1: apartment complex is a common question we get on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get all the time. Is is obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're a guy who put your life
Speaker 1: on this line for this country and serving in the
Speaker 1: military in Iraq. So you know better than we than
Speaker 1: anybody that this can't be tolerated for one hour in America.
Speaker 1: It's so opposite who we are. So why has this
Speaker 1: been allowed to continue?
Speaker 2: For either not allowed? But sorry? What we have take
Speaker 2: you to?
Speaker 1: I know you've been on the round every time I
Speaker 1: walk through my lobby, I see you on one national
Speaker 1: news show.
Speaker 12: I mean, we've got police officers inside these buildings, go
Speaker 12: to door to door.
Speaker 2: I think the difficulty is is.
Speaker 12: It's all you know, It's like, if you want to
Speaker 12: compare it to a military situation, it's counterinsurgency. And so
Speaker 12: the challenge that when I was in Iraq that we
Speaker 12: had was that the insurgents would would could fall back
Speaker 12: into the population, right, and so that's why the it's
Speaker 12: it's so key to have.
Speaker 2: Uh, the support of these.
Speaker 12: People that are intimidated by them and not cooperative right now.
Speaker 12: But we there's a backup plan that I have, uh
Speaker 12: that I put on my Facebook page this afternoon and
Speaker 12: essentially that I hope it doesn't come to this, but
Speaker 12: it might.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're gonna go.
Speaker 12: We're we're gonna file uh in our own municipal court
Speaker 12: for a emergency order uh to its essentially shut the
Speaker 12: building down, shut these building downs under a criminal nuisance ordinance.
Speaker 2: But we're we made some key rest so far.
Speaker 12: We were wrestled a very significant gang leader, uh this
Speaker 12: so far and uh, and so we're continuing to work
Speaker 12: in that way.
Speaker 2: But I got to have this. This is kind of
Speaker 2: like a backstop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maror Mike Coffman kind enough to be with us
Speaker 1: when we come back from this break. I want to
Speaker 1: deep dive the fix, right because everybody listening, that's what
Speaker 1: they're focused on, is wait a second, this can't be
Speaker 1: allowed to exist in America? What is the fix? But
Speaker 1: before we hit this break, question on everybody's mind as
Speaker 1: they're listening is wait a second, we've got these video
Speaker 1: you can see these guys. Is we're able to identify
Speaker 1: these criminals walking around with these weapons. Are arrests being made.
Speaker 12: Well, we're absolutely looking for them, I think. And one
Speaker 12: of the challenges that we have under our legal system,
Speaker 12: under our criminal justice system, right or wrong, is you
Speaker 12: have to catch them doing something wrong. I think for
Speaker 12: those it's clear that they want something wrong. Yeah, they're
Speaker 12: pounding on that door. They had weapons, although you know
Speaker 12: the Second Amendment rights apply to every resident I think
Speaker 12: in this country. But you know, intimidating. They're clearly intimidating somebody.
Speaker 12: So there's a basis there. But you know, we're the
Speaker 12: question is this can we be one hundred percent before
Speaker 12: the court gives us the authority just to clear the buildings, period,
Speaker 12: and so that our objective is to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But if not, I just don't want this situation to
Speaker 2: drag on.
Speaker 1: Right now, when we come back with Mark Kaufman will
Speaker 1: drill down deeper on his plan next step plan to
Speaker 1: take back these apartment complexes in order to get into
Speaker 1: the issue of the cooperation of people living there. Because
Speaker 1: my bed is you'll never get any for good reason,
Speaker 1: right because any person in the right mind to be
Speaker 1: terrified of these gangs if they're living in there. We'll
Speaker 1: come back. Mark Kaufman's so kind to spend time with us.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6: And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 10: Local police confirmed the Venezuelan gang trend de ar Agua
Speaker 10: is committing quote isolated crimes in the areas they put it.
Speaker 10: Is this something that you need to take more seriously.
Speaker 5: Oh, we've taken it very seriously.
Speaker 11: Weeks ago, I convene in the city of Aurora with
Speaker 11: the state and federal government. Look, it is completely illegal
Speaker 11: in Colorado to take over and occupy a building, and
Speaker 11: Aurora police departments on the front lines if they need
Speaker 11: our help. I've told the mayor, I've told the police
Speaker 11: department the state is ready to assist your police department
Speaker 11: if it's above and beyond your.
Speaker 5: Capabilities to do that.
Speaker 11: If the people alleging this have more evidence, please bring
Speaker 11: it forward, give it to Aurora Police department.
Speaker 5: The State of Colorado takes these.
Speaker 1: Gud turn that officer if the people alleging this have
Speaker 1: more evidence and to see an End's credit. In that
Speaker 1: same interview, they confronted him on hey, you're saying this
Speaker 1: is a figment of the imagination of a councilwoman. And
Speaker 1: then he kind of weaseled around that, Well, we have
Speaker 1: the mayor here, Mayor Kaufman with us right here, and Mayor,
Speaker 1: you've established this is really happening. And is the governor
Speaker 1: telling the truth? Is he come to you and said,
Speaker 1: you want to.
Speaker 12: Quite a few conversations with the governor on this issue. Well,
Speaker 12: you know, I think it's I think you missed. I
Speaker 12: let me tell you what I think he was trying
Speaker 12: to say.
Speaker 2: But didn't say it. Uh.
Speaker 12: And I'll give him credit uh for his conversations with
Speaker 12: me anyway. I think he certainly realizes the significance of
Speaker 12: this issue because we've had discussions on that that topic.
Speaker 12: I think he's been instrumental and uh providing state law
Speaker 12: enforcement resources uh uh to this issue and and uh
Speaker 12: and being an advocate for us in terms of federal
Speaker 12: law enforcement resources.
Speaker 2: He has been Uh, he's been good in that regard.
Speaker 12: I think he's concerned that that the damaging economic effect
Speaker 12: if this is exaggerated, uh, and so I think that's
Speaker 12: a legitimate concern. But I think that he misspoke uh
Speaker 12: in that context by saying that it's it's imaginary.
Speaker 2: It certainly is not imaginary.
Speaker 1: Mark Kaufman kind enough to be with. We've been talking
Speaker 1: earlier about the video now that has really captured America's attention,
Speaker 1: and it's so terrifying showing what's reported to be Venezuelan
Speaker 1: gang members with these large weapons terrorizing an apartment complex.
Speaker 1: And the issue came up as to whether there's a
Speaker 1: Second Amendment right for them, And and mister mayor, what's
Speaker 1: your understanding there.
Speaker 2: We know that.
Speaker 1: I think just last week a federal appeals court out
Speaker 1: of New Orleans found that illegal migrants do not have
Speaker 1: gun rights protected by the Second Amendment. But you made
Speaker 1: a different point about legal status.
Speaker 12: Yeah, such a great in my view, it's a I
Speaker 12: mean my view it much broader in terms of who
Speaker 12: I see as illegal. But that to this administration's view,
Speaker 12: a federal gunman's view, they have a fairly expansive definition
Speaker 12: as to what's legal.
Speaker 2: That if in fact, you could.
Speaker 12: You can walk across the border, you can get arrested,
Speaker 12: you can then say you want political asylum, they give
Speaker 12: you humanitarian parole pending your court date to adjudicate your claim.
Speaker 2: Which could be way out there. Uh, and you you
Speaker 2: know you're legal I was.
Speaker 12: I go out with police every now and then on
Speaker 12: different patrols, and so I was out there one night
Speaker 12: where in District one on Colfax we run Colfax and
Speaker 12: there was a nice car to our front that didn't
Speaker 12: have license plates, and pulled it over. And the person
Speaker 12: didn't obviously didn't speak English. I can speak Spanish. And
Speaker 12: he didn't have a license, he didn't have obviously registration insurance.
Speaker 12: All he had was a little shit of paper with
Speaker 12: his picture on the upper left hand corner and a
Speaker 12: court date.
Speaker 2: That was his identification.
Speaker 1: So under Biden and Harris, you enter the country legally,
Speaker 1: then you're handed a piece of paper that makes you
Speaker 1: legal indefinitely. Here but a quick follow up questions, mister mayor,
Speaker 1: we have about a minute left for all you have
Speaker 1: a plan now, you have a backup plan to reclaim
Speaker 1: these apartment complexes that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 1: Please let folks know it well.
Speaker 12: I think, first of all, our police are being you know,
Speaker 12: not only that or other law enforcement partners, giving one
Speaker 12: hundred percent of this inside the building, door to door,
Speaker 12: trying to root the bad guys out. However, simultaneously we
Speaker 12: are going to do an emergency order through our municipal
Speaker 12: court to shut these buildings down as criminal nuisances under
Speaker 12: the Criminal Nuisance Ordinance. If we think that that's necessary
Speaker 12: at at the time, I just don't want to wait
Speaker 12: for that, right, you know, And so I think it's
Speaker 12: important to press both issues simultaneously.
Speaker 2: And what if I mean, if if we feel that these.
Speaker 12: Buildings are one hundred percent secure prior to the court
Speaker 12: granting us this authority, that's fine. But if not, then
Speaker 12: unfortunately we've got have to shut the buildings down. What
Speaker 12: means moving everybody out of the buildings to regain control.
Speaker 1: Which is the way we'll end today, Which is the
Speaker 1: question of wait a second, Okay, Polish said he wants
Speaker 1: to help, but isn't there at least some chance that
Speaker 1: police put these people in Aurora to begin with? I mean,
Speaker 1: Aurora made it clear it did not want to be
Speaker 1: part of housing migrants. Then all of a sudden, somebody
Speaker 1: from the outside forced all these migrants into these complexes
Speaker 1: in Aurora.
Speaker 2: So who did it?
Speaker 12: So we're going to do an investigation because I think
Speaker 12: it's so important to know that. It's so important to
Speaker 12: because what we know now is that whenever you have
Speaker 12: a concentration of these migrants, the criminality can very well follow.
Speaker 2: I think I think you just assumed that criminal is
Speaker 2: going to follow. And so I asked the governor yesterday.
Speaker 2: I said about I said, don't send anymore. He said
Speaker 2: he didn't send any So.
Speaker 1: We're going to find out. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: I know how busy you are. Let's continue the conversation.
Speaker 1: Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora, thank you Ryan for your
Speaker 1: great job. Today is always Kelly, the human ray of sunshine.
Speaker 1: Have a tremendous, tremendous Labor Day weekend, and we'll be
Speaker 1: back on Tuesday. Join us then on the Dan Kapla Show.