Speaker 1: Welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This is
Speaker 1: season sixteenth, episode thirty four.
Speaker 2: We're gonna move quicker today, more quickly because one of
Speaker 2: the responds that we'll be seeing is like ten pages.
Speaker 2: But before you go to that, I have interesting things
Speaker 2: to show you. I want to show you some videos. First.
Speaker 2: Let's see. The first thing I want to show you
Speaker 2: is just because we sort of mentioned it before, something
Speaker 2: related to it. My son sent it to me about
Speaker 2: thirty seconds from his yeshiva. I think you'll find it
Speaker 2: interesting if you don't have children in yeshiva there what
Speaker 2: they're doing and how they're having dobbining. And you'll see
Speaker 2: with the plastic and you'll see one of the rushi
Speaker 2: yeshiva how he's like locked in this box. But the
Speaker 2: reason I'm showing you is not that is I want
Speaker 2: you to see the dobbining. This is a roachhotish dauvining.
Speaker 2: This is the sort of thing that when I went
Speaker 2: to yeshiva, never in a million years would you have this.
Speaker 2: And with a guitar and this and that and varron listency,
Speaker 2: I think he would have gone and been very upset
Speaker 2: to see what I'm gonna show you now, but it
Speaker 2: shows you how there's been there's different types of yeshivas.
Speaker 2: And even though this is a yeshiva in the old city,
Speaker 2: a right where they do I mean, they do have
Speaker 2: a gamar and everything. But I want to show you
Speaker 2: this first. This is the first video I'm going to
Speaker 2: show you, So pay attention to this. So I I
Speaker 2: think that's quite interesting that. I mean, that's a rushmotostavy
Speaker 2: with a guitar. As I said, when I was in
Speaker 2: a shiva, no one in a million years would have
Speaker 2: thought that that's considered appropriate. I want to show you
Speaker 2: now another video because I mentioned actually before I get
Speaker 2: to the videos. Before I get the videos, I listened
Speaker 2: to the this morning to the class last week we spoke.
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention the thing that he's most known for.
Speaker 2: Many of you probably know this. There you go, the tevos.
Speaker 2: This is everyone has this book, especial the Ordain, So
Speaker 2: every every time you need to know a strange abbreviation,
Speaker 2: you pull it up here. He's also known because he's
Speaker 2: the editor of this work. Okay, I got a shima.
Speaker 2: Anyone's interested in serious investigation of pesa, the SADR has
Speaker 2: to look at the h got a shlima and you see, uh,
Speaker 2: right on the very first page it tells you Nazi.
Speaker 2: So oh, okay, two more things I want to show
Speaker 2: you actually won here. Let me pull up the screens,
Speaker 2: get my screens here for you. Okay. In terms of videos,
Speaker 2: I want to show you a lot of videos. Okay.
Speaker 2: First thing, I think you'll find it interesting because I
Speaker 2: also mentioned this, Uh, there's if you're looking for something
Speaker 2: to watch, there's this guy, Peter Santanello. He goes all
Speaker 2: over the world and he uh, he just exposes his people.
Speaker 2: You see this, hundreds thousands of views to all different
Speaker 2: cultures in Ukraine, Pakistan. He did about thirteen sessions with
Speaker 2: the residiing and it's really very interesting and if you
Speaker 2: read the comments, it's unbelievable all the positive the kinish
Speaker 2: asham that Peter is making because all these people are anything.
Speaker 2: I never knew anything about the hussd well. I thought
Speaker 2: we're bad things and uh, but what I found significant
Speaker 2: is that he actually goes to a Friday night dinner
Speaker 2: and the family says that you know, it took it.
Speaker 2: We had it was it was complicated. We had to
Speaker 2: get a permission from the rabbi to rabbis, I think
Speaker 2: they say, to let us film this so he so
Speaker 2: here you can watch the video. They haven't a camera
Speaker 2: men filming it on Shabis I mentioned, which I find astounding,
Speaker 2: although we've had other examples. There was I think it
Speaker 2: was made visions or bells. Uh, they put a camera
Speaker 2: in there. I don't know if it was actually individuals
Speaker 2: or not, just a camera for young tef dobvining. But
Speaker 2: if it's okay to video, UH have a videographer there
Speaker 2: on shabist. The next time your son has a bar
Speaker 2: of mist on shabis, you get a videographer. Also. Maybe
Speaker 2: they make a distinction, they say, in this case, the
Speaker 2: Peter is not doing it for the Jssetu. He's doing
Speaker 2: it for his viewers. So they're not benefiting. But uh,
Speaker 2: and maybe because it's such a Kiddish asham. But the
Speaker 2: fact is here you have a has sceenic family and
Speaker 2: you have a whole non Jewish film crew in there
Speaker 2: filming them Friday night. And the other thing I want
Speaker 2: to show you is I spoke about the non Jewish
Speaker 2: songs used for Jewish that that are made Jewish. And
Speaker 2: we know that we know Mordeham and David. We know
Speaker 2: classic ones. I mentioned one I didn't now here. I
Speaker 2: have it in front of me. I wrote about it.
Speaker 2: There's a famous Hassienic song where which is taken from
Speaker 2: a love song, the original love song. It says in
Speaker 2: German or original German. Uh, it goes uh Forrest Forrest,
Speaker 2: how large are you rosa Rosa? How distant or are
Speaker 2: you volved? The gros bistou rosa Rosa? He vit this too,
Speaker 2: and it goes on and about. It's all about Rosa
Speaker 2: the collar for Rebby. This is famous CASEIDI know this.
Speaker 2: He turned this love song into rogo just song. So
Speaker 2: instead of uh so so you sing about gous gouss
Speaker 2: how far are you? And instead of Rosa Rosa, how
Speaker 2: distant are you? It's Squeena Screena. We vite this du
Speaker 2: and this is this is well known amount hasidim uh
Speaker 2: this song. But after hearing this, uh Rabbi Ari Inkin
Speaker 2: sent me the following. This is an Ottoman military song.
Speaker 2: I I did not know this at all, but pay attention,
Speaker 2: you'll recognize this now. I don't know where this comes.
Speaker 2: Maybe it comes through Hungary because that was under Automan control.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's from erisis Throl. Wait, we got it. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's a smarty tune. I know nothing. If anyone knows
Speaker 2: about this, let me know. I think I already. You know,
Speaker 2: among the Haarai team, they often have no clue about solos,
Speaker 2: at least I mentioned. We talked about the Simon and Garfunk.
Speaker 2: I think I even showed you on the Idea show you.
Speaker 2: I mean some of their videos, their tor videos, beginners phollows.
Speaker 2: I'll play it again for those who haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: This is a ser by Reliao Mada, who's actually one
Speaker 2: of the people in my book. He wrote to me.
Speaker 2: We mentioned him earlier on This is how it begins
Speaker 2: the seer on Holomaid. You know, is is it everything
Speaker 2: you need to do? Know about? Because callam o aid
Speaker 2: what's permissible and what's not? The Haadi will go and
Speaker 2: they don't know, many of them Israelis especially, they have
Speaker 2: no clue what this tune is that starts the share.
Speaker 2: I dare say that most of you know what it is.
Speaker 2: You might say it's a little crazy, put the tow
Speaker 2: with that, but then what can I say? Okay, now,
Speaker 2: oh we have home this I said to you, ask
Speaker 2: us and a man get bar. I'm going to get
Speaker 2: to I promise believe that I'll get to uh the
Speaker 2: thing I want to show you about Yako. I want
Speaker 2: to show you one more thing before we get to that,
Speaker 2: dell I said last quest, I was talking about Madrid,
Speaker 2: and I want to show you something I think you
Speaker 2: also find very interesting. What can you eat in Madrid
Speaker 2: that we can't eat in America. So I walk into
Speaker 2: the the the butcher shop there in Madrid, and there's
Speaker 2: a sign on the wall that on the butcher shop
Speaker 2: that hold on they get it for you. That the
Speaker 2: the the meat there they have. It's done nicoor and
Speaker 2: it's a from Eric to Straus. So what is nicor
Speaker 2: nkor actually has? There's an English word for it. The
Speaker 2: English word is called porche. This is a word in
Speaker 2: the English language, but it only means Jewish thing. It
Speaker 2: means to make a soldered animal ceremonial clean by removal
Speaker 2: of the forbidden fat, et cetera. This goes back to
Speaker 2: the nineteenth century in England. You can look up the dictionary.
Speaker 2: This is actually a real word, a scrabble word. You
Speaker 2: can use this porche, but it only means this Jewish
Speaker 2: thing that so people assume that you can't eat the
Speaker 2: hind quarters. I don't know much about beef, maybe some
Speaker 2: of you, but I know for example, he got you
Speaker 2: have the tender wine, the sirle wine, the top sir wine,
Speaker 2: and people assume you can't eat it. It's not true.
Speaker 2: You can eat it, but you have to remove the uh,
Speaker 2: you have to remove the forbidden fats. Now in America
Speaker 2: we generally don't do that, although and then some people
Speaker 2: actually think it's a min hub not to it's not.
Speaker 2: It's you can read Rabby Zibatowsky's article here. It's today
Speaker 2: it's done. You can get the hind quarters and Ergi
Speaker 2: sterol you. Ramosha has a chew on it, you see,
Speaker 2: he says, And when he was in Europe they had it.
Speaker 2: It's just that people don't do it because it's difficult
Speaker 2: and it's easy just to sell it to the non Jews.
Speaker 2: But Ramosha is clearing his chuva. If you want to
Speaker 2: eat it, you can eat it. And as I said
Speaker 2: to Robert Newton, Israel al Gaucho I had it so
Speaker 2: when I was there. So it used to be you
Speaker 2: couldn't get it in America you'd have to go to
Speaker 2: Madrid or Israel. But I was just looking before I
Speaker 2: saw Kabad site. It says, technically, for le mignona's's kosher
Speaker 2: is any the other cut of meat. And it explains
Speaker 2: though that it's nikoor. Is not so simple, But he says,
Speaker 2: I believe most waterhouses sell the hind quarters of the
Speaker 2: kettleton non kosher butchers. But it does exist, and actually
Speaker 2: it is now. It's a new trend. I know of
Speaker 2: two places, at least two. So for example, there's one
Speaker 2: place in the New York area called Bistra Kosher, and
Speaker 2: you can get all the all the good stuff. Can't
Speaker 2: get rid of that thing, all good stuff you want?
Speaker 2: Who does it? His name is avidad Avi don Elkin.
Speaker 2: He teaches is that yu it's under them, and he
Speaker 2: also is on the basin of Elizabeth and he writes
Speaker 2: get in there. And then there's another place. Hey, it's expensive.
Speaker 2: Look what this charges the beef tender wine. It's expensive.
Speaker 2: But there's also a place in Philadelphia called King of
Speaker 2: phil A. It's under here. Who this is who it's under?
Speaker 2: His son is Eljanda, and he's a rabbi in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: His father's on the basin of Jerusalem, and I guess
Speaker 2: this is a Habad guy. That's a Habad name. So
Speaker 2: you can read all about on the website about uh
Speaker 2: and you can order if you're interested, if you're a
Speaker 2: real meek person and you want to get your tenderloin
Speaker 2: or sirloin there. It is the final thing I want
Speaker 2: to do before we begin the ship it to you. Also,
Speaker 2: the final thing I want to do is uh. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get rid of this is I. I told
Speaker 2: you I would share something with you that I think
Speaker 2: you'll find of interest about Yakov and Leah. We're speaking
Speaker 2: a good deal about it. So here here we go.
Speaker 2: How is it? The question is how is it that
Speaker 2: Yakov didn't know who was with them on the wedding night? Already,
Speaker 2: by the way, Josefast mentions that he was he was drunk. Now,
Speaker 2: there was an article that appeared a number of years
Speaker 2: ago in this journal. It's actually an academic journal called
Speaker 2: Vitas Testamental. But it it's it's in line with we'll
Speaker 2: see them afore sham in a second. But he wants
Speaker 2: to argue, and he does things I never thought of before.
Speaker 2: That there's actually you can perhaps derive proofs that that
Speaker 2: was the case from the tsukim itself. If you look
Speaker 2: in the puss up in peraic, are we here in
Speaker 2: twenty nine when it speaks of a, yeah, what is
Speaker 2: love and say to him hold on for verse twenty six,
Speaker 2: love one says, well when he wakes up, when you
Speaker 2: could wakes up and s he says, we didn't do
Speaker 2: it an ard place that you know, to give the cityra,
Speaker 2: we make habeira to give the younger uh before the older.
Speaker 2: Now these two words sit ira and ira only appear
Speaker 2: together and the feminine one other time, and that's earlier
Speaker 2: on in with the story of uh of love on
Speaker 2: not love on of lote. And if you look in
Speaker 2: verse thirty three, well of our verse thirty one, first
Speaker 2: you have habeira and that's era. And that's also a
Speaker 2: similar case. It's a case of sexual relations where person
Speaker 2: doesn't really know what's going on. So the author wants
Speaker 2: to argue that this is this is the hint to
Speaker 2: what's going on here and further and that you won't
Speaker 2: find any of the traditional commentaries. But then he starts
Speaker 2: pointing out the word mishka. What's the whole business with
Speaker 2: a mishta. If you look going back in twenty nine,
Speaker 2: in verse twenty two, it says that love them gathered
Speaker 2: all his people and made a mishta. What is a mishta? Well,
Speaker 2: if you look in the the sisemim on the passak,
Speaker 2: he tells you dos kanum sorry dosa kani baletosophos It
Speaker 2: mentions that Loven is known as a ramaia trying to
Speaker 2: be fraudulent. Why because he wanted the sha karasako bayayan
Speaker 2: in order to trick him. So he wanted to get
Speaker 2: him drunk. Now, what is a misterie? If you look
Speaker 2: in peraicutests and at the very verse, very chapter I mentioned.
Speaker 3: With with Lote in the commentary of the store note
Speaker 3: in your test, Gimmo, it says, what is a mistaasuda ayayan?
Speaker 2: That the definition of mishta means with wine, So all
Speaker 2: these things, it's possible that that could be the shot
Speaker 2: that there was a misstep, and maybe y'all called everything
Speaker 2: wasn't so uh clear, perhaps because I shot. It's hard
Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on there. One final comment
Speaker 2: about mishta before we begin. In this safer which I
Speaker 2: just got from rubble up, a couple of shorts. So
Speaker 2: we were speaking about already a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: what I told you. He has a whole for a summerhast.
Speaker 2: He has some very interesting insights in Then in volume
Speaker 2: five we could take Deburim. On page fifty eight and
Speaker 2: fifty nine, he asks a very interesting question, why on
Speaker 2: Porim do we have a mishta a feast and why
Speaker 2: on Khonikah did they did the Razo make a decreejdo
Speaker 2: so hallo and not to have a misstep. People have
Speaker 2: a people like to get together on Knakah, but there's
Speaker 2: no India of a mishta khonka, but like we do
Speaker 2: have on Purim. Instead we have special prayers. And he
Speaker 2: develops the idea that that before hasal changed it. Everyone
Speaker 2: when they wanted to express their u simbra for something positive,
Speaker 2: it was only with a mishtah with Yayan and Mordechai
Speaker 2: and Esther established it this way because that's what the
Speaker 2: people did. And he says, maybe even the Navim held this,
Speaker 2: but the interesting Necessardola, they're the ones who established that
Speaker 2: for simpla has to be with a vota sahem sim
Speaker 2: And he very interesting how he speaks about how a mishta,
Speaker 2: how how our feelings of joy were transferred to to
Speaker 2: prayer and mitzvah as opposed to mishta. It's like the
Speaker 2: the the the the breast breast lovers saying, uh, simple
Speaker 2: mits it's a great mitsa to bea And what did
Speaker 2: the Revelvo solo Atrix say? Not mitzvah, simp but simply mitzvah.
Speaker 2: It's where we feel great joy when we're in a mitzvah,
Speaker 2: not that it's a great mitsvah to be enjoyed. Okay, everyone,
Speaker 2: let us now go on. We are continuing in the
Speaker 2: safe air. We are on page to sixty one, Simon,
Speaker 2: and we are returning now to a respond to Ramanasha Klin.
Speaker 2: Let me get a picture of him again, because this
Speaker 2: will be the last time we see Revmanasha Klin in
Speaker 2: our chew vote. Here he is. We've spoken a good
Speaker 2: deal about him. This chow va, which we're gonna see
Speaker 2: for it is not included in his missionat I think
Speaker 2: the reason it's not included, unfortunately, I have to say,
Speaker 2: is because the cook and or an idea for a
Speaker 2: rough cook. I think that's the reason that there's no mention.
Speaker 2: I checked online. There's no mention of roof cook in
Speaker 2: Ramanasha Clin's faru and he just he mentions masata of
Speaker 2: cook when he quotes Romband. You won't mention cook. I
Speaker 2: think that's the reason we spoke about Ramanashaklin. I told
Speaker 2: you how impressed I am what almdon unbelieve. And they
Speaker 2: also said that there's the Yeshivah circles and is not
Speaker 2: very impressed. And in Yeshivah circles they would make a
Speaker 2: joke that instead of calling it mission has shana halathaut
Speaker 2: because they thought that so many of his rulings were
Speaker 2: contrary to what they should be mashana meaning change. Incidentally,
Speaker 2: if you google, you'll see pretty unbelievably, I guess slips
Speaker 2: to the pen you'll find Daniel Sperber calls b Barry Levy.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking that they wrote it,
Speaker 2: but that you'll see in their books. But the phrase
Speaker 2: mission and mashana goes all the way back to Ramera
Speaker 2: a Bolafia of Toledom. In his attack against the Rumbomb,
Speaker 2: he says as follows, he refers to the mission tura
Speaker 2: and he says, uh amy odeya at Ohra, which means
Speaker 2: I don't know if the mission of Tara should be
Speaker 2: referred to as Mishana Tara because he rejects a lot
Speaker 2: which the Rumbam wrote or mission of Tara. So you
Speaker 2: see this gibe where this jab you know, is it
Speaker 2: mission or is it Mishana goes all the way back
Speaker 2: to one of the great reshow memes, Ramera Baia. Okay,
Speaker 2: so what is uh he say here in in this
Speaker 2: responded to me from nineteen eighty seven when I was
Speaker 2: in college. You know, I have to say that when
Speaker 2: I looked at the back at all these letters, uh
Speaker 2: how uh it's amazing I was. And this is just
Speaker 2: the scholar the Toro letters, I have a whole I
Speaker 2: can publish another behind of just academic letters. And I
Speaker 2: have too letters and additional Toro letters which were included.
Speaker 2: I really I spent a lot of time I'm writing
Speaker 2: these letters. This goes back to when I was in college.
Speaker 2: Off my son to here. But let me give you
Speaker 2: an introduction here because there's something you need to know
Speaker 2: to appreciate this, and that's we all like to say
Speaker 2: that our people like to say that Judaism is different
Speaker 2: than Christianity, because Christianity has this concept here you see
Speaker 2: it here outside the church, there is no salvation. And
Speaker 2: this was a expressed by many Catholic teachers. You have
Speaker 2: many Protestants who say that today what it means is
Speaker 2: that if you don't accept Jesus, you can't be saved,
Speaker 2: you can't go to Heaven, whatever you want to put
Speaker 2: that as. And it's often portrayed that, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't have that because we believe that all non
Speaker 2: Jews can go go to all in Hubba, and we're
Speaker 2: different than the non Jews, and that one much more
Speaker 2: tolerant and open minded in that respect. And that's usually
Speaker 2: given and you'll see it all these different gatherings. People
Speaker 2: will throw that out as a as a truism. Well
Speaker 2: it's actually, I don't know, can you have a falsism.
Speaker 2: It's actually a falsism from two sides. First of all,
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, and I work at a
Speaker 2: Gothoin university, that is no longer the doctrine of the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church. It is. You might find certain evangelicals who
Speaker 2: have this idea, but today the church does not say that.
Speaker 2: What they say is that everyone you can only be
Speaker 2: saved through Jesus. But you don't have to be in
Speaker 2: the church. That is, someone who has good intentions and
Speaker 2: a good person will reach Heaven. Okay, we don't need
Speaker 2: to be concerned about their doctrine, but just so you
Speaker 2: need to know that that's just so if you're interested
Speaker 2: that it's not exactly what the church holds, say the
Speaker 2: counsel Church, I shall say, and most Protestants as well.
Speaker 2: But what about Jews. Well, it's not so simple. Either.
Speaker 2: I want to show you something now or rumbum and
Speaker 2: let me just read it to you. It says the
Speaker 2: It's in Hesm chapter eight. It says, koha makabo cheva mitzmos.
Speaker 2: Anyone want to talking to Nanjou who accepts the seven
Speaker 2: mitzvos venisso son and is careful to fulfill them hares
Speaker 2: had almosam. This person is one of what we call
Speaker 2: the Hasidim, the amaban. He has to share in the
Speaker 2: world to come the who and what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Shiakaboo son that as he accepts these mitzmos the son
Speaker 2: and does them many shatsiva the han hakotas ad mosher
Speaker 2: abenu shabe noahki. But only if the nanjou does these
Speaker 2: cheva Mitzo's not because he's a good person or just
Speaker 2: as a Moro person, but he only does it because
Speaker 2: God commanded this in the Torah and told Mosher Abu
Speaker 2: that non Jews are obligated in this plays. But if
Speaker 2: he did it simply because he concluded natural wall or whatever,
Speaker 2: he concluded this is a good way to live, which
Speaker 2: is pretty much every anjou that's they're not doing it
Speaker 2: because of the Torah. They're not Noah hides. You only
Speaker 2: have a few of those in the world. If you
Speaker 2: just do it because if you think it's the proper
Speaker 2: way to live, ain's a ghirtoshev. This person is not
Speaker 2: regarded as a ghirtoshev. The aosia almost Ohm is not
Speaker 2: regarded as one of the hasio most oha volo, and
Speaker 2: is not even regarded as a hawkham one of the
Speaker 2: wise men, meaning that he has no share in the
Speaker 2: world to come. This is a bit of a shocking
Speaker 2: passage for people who don't know, because it basically you
Speaker 2: have here the Rambam saying the exact parallel to what
Speaker 2: we just saw was the old Catholic doctrine. Outside the
Speaker 2: church there is no salvation, pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 2: This is the subject incidentally, of an article, a famous
Speaker 2: article by the way, Stephen Schwartzchild, do Noah Heights have
Speaker 2: to believe in revelation? He says, it's a passage in
Speaker 2: disputeen Mimonodese, Spinoza, Mendelssohn and Herman Cohen. What's the story
Speaker 2: with Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn. It's because Mendelssohn was so upset with
Speaker 2: this passage that he wrote through Yakavenden. He said, this
Speaker 2: is unfair. What of the people who live on these
Speaker 2: islands who never heard of the Torah? And the Yakavenden
Speaker 2: basically upholds what the Rumbum says the kussubmission on the spot.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know where the Ramam gets this. He thinks
Speaker 2: it's his own idea, although he thinks it makes sense. However,
Speaker 2: if we take us back to the passage here, you
Speaker 2: can actually see that in the note it points out
Speaker 2: something different that in the the the the version of
Speaker 2: the Yemonites, it doesn't. It says that this person who
Speaker 2: just observes themidst us because it makes sense is not
Speaker 2: but the other version is rather he is one of
Speaker 2: the wise men. He's not as olam, but he's a
Speaker 2: wise man of the of the nations. And that's obviously
Speaker 2: a very good thing to be a wise man. For
Speaker 2: the rambamb mob, what is better being a hasid or
Speaker 2: being a hakam? You have to look at hoks deeos
Speaker 2: the ram bam. Basically, you want to be a haham. Occasionally,
Speaker 2: you know, you can go beyond and then be a hasid,
Speaker 2: But being a hakam might be better. And if it's
Speaker 2: not better, it's certainly very good. Hasid might only be
Speaker 2: for certain special people. And then it points out that
Speaker 2: this is the Nusa in the Mahra Malashkar. And if
Speaker 2: he quotes here Themara Miguilla. If someone says some hajma,
Speaker 2: even from even ann Ju, he's called akkam. So if
Speaker 2: you say so hajma, you're called a hakam. Is So
Speaker 2: presumably if you figured out that you should observe Tomrah
Speaker 2: or observe the chev Mitzvos on your own, you should
Speaker 2: be a hakkam. And then they cite what they think
Speaker 2: is the source for this, where it's called Mishnas Rebels.
Speaker 2: It's the midrash which says that who is one of
Speaker 2: the people who was regarded as Osidio Mosoa. It's if
Speaker 2: you do it because God commanded this to Noah. But
Speaker 2: if you do it, then say I heard it from
Speaker 2: someone else, You only get your scar in this world,
Speaker 2: So that could the source not so important at the moment.
Speaker 2: So I about Nasha Klein, as I said, he's a
Speaker 2: great scholar, and there's all sorts of great stuff in
Speaker 2: his writings, but there's a lot of stuff that, let
Speaker 2: me just say that if you're not just in the
Speaker 2: Haaradi world because they've had their big issues with him,
Speaker 2: but certainly in the modern northnot the world, you just
Speaker 2: can't accept it. Just some stuff which are far out.
Speaker 2: I've spoke about this, views of women, views of non Jews,
Speaker 2: views of converts. There's a lot of extreme stuff in
Speaker 2: his writings, which is why in the Yeshiva world they
Speaker 2: came up with this expression mashanahafolt, but which I would
Speaker 2: never say, because look, he's entitled his opinion even if
Speaker 2: I feel that we don't accept it. And as I said,
Speaker 2: the learning in his stuff in his writing, and he's
Speaker 2: also he survived the Holocaust when it comes to the
Speaker 2: non Jews. We're going to see next week with the Kleusenberger.
Speaker 2: You have to sort of, I think, give some leeway
Speaker 2: for that. And in terms of the women's issue, this
Speaker 2: really is a reflection of pre Who or Hungary. I
Speaker 2: think I one day I'll publish my article on him.
Speaker 2: There's so much interesting stuff in him, and you get
Speaker 2: unbelievable cool is in him. He thinks that a lot
Speaker 2: of these clumras come from the Balichuva. He doesn't like.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like bally Chuba so much, but he blames
Speaker 2: the Balichuva and the rabbis who are trying to work
Speaker 2: with the Balichuva. They make things too difficult in many places.
Speaker 2: He's he's a big may kill. And he doesn't like
Speaker 2: the new Orthodoxy that has popped up after the war,
Speaker 2: because he says, whoever heard of this in Europe? So
Speaker 2: there's a lot to say about Ramanasha clients someone someone
Speaker 2: could really do a whole doctor par dissipation on him.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that is troubling at is
Speaker 2: to me is that throughout his writings he's always saying
Speaker 2: that every non Jew basically has no share in the
Speaker 2: world to come there. It's why because the Rumbum he goes,
Speaker 2: there's no non Jews who ever observed misvolt because they
Speaker 2: were commanded, and the Rombam says, therefore you have no
Speaker 2: share in the world to come. So basically they're overshine.
Speaker 2: The whole world is for shine. It's who wants to
Speaker 2: go through life when every single person's in Russia and
Speaker 2: you can't deal with pious people who are not of
Speaker 2: your religion, because we all know they're pious people who
Speaker 2: are of a different religion. They don't have the complete truth,
Speaker 2: but they have certain truths. And but there's Sara Minasha
Speaker 2: has says. Some of the stuff he says is really
Speaker 2: really extreme. Okay, so why did I write to him?
Speaker 2: I wrote him because he's always citing this ram bum,
Speaker 2: and I say, why are you citing this ram bum?
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear. I said that this is not the
Speaker 2: correct yours. The correct Yrsa is Ella Merha Mayhem, not
Speaker 2: the Loch Mayhem. And I cite the m Andite text.
Speaker 2: And the Ammonites have excellent gear. So they're the best
Speaker 2: of all the gearsas the Rama for them was the authority.
Speaker 2: And generally you look in the m and I text.
Speaker 2: The gearsa in everything is they were very careful on it,
Speaker 2: and uh they just copied it without making changes. No.
Speaker 2: In in the Ashcanas, for instance, the Ashkenazic rabbis, they
Speaker 2: would put their comments on the side. They would put
Speaker 2: sometimes change the text. They change the text so often
Speaker 2: there Beeno tom had to creat ram saying if you
Speaker 2: change the actual text as opposed to putting on the side,
Speaker 2: you're in haram. But not everyone listened to uh Rabeno
Speaker 2: tom so the m Andite text and also Maramalashkar, and
Speaker 2: there's other sources that have this different uh gearso so
Speaker 2: and I cited the the source that in the missis
Speaker 2: sort of the So he begins as follows. He says
Speaker 2: to me, I want to make a comment to you
Speaker 2: that it's not our way to say that this text
Speaker 2: is a mistake. That's what I said. I said, it's
Speaker 2: a mistake. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that, but I
Speaker 2: said that, he says, because who we don't have prophecy,
Speaker 2: who can say that it's a mistake. What I should
Speaker 2: have said is it appears much more likely if I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken or supports this Ranashaklin's text, but all the
Speaker 2: other scholars and neveryone assumes that it's not correct. And
Speaker 2: he says that what you should say is there's another
Speaker 2: version of it. Still he never then he never grants it.
Speaker 2: So then I'm from Nasha Khin. I expect him to say, though,
Speaker 2: why does he make such a big deal about this
Speaker 2: text that he has when we have all sorts of
Speaker 2: so many other texts that seem to make a lot
Speaker 2: more sense. Look is Aristotle, and your Alma writes about
Speaker 2: Aristotle that he he didn't know Tora, but he reached
Speaker 2: the great heights and understanding. Gonna say that he's just
Speaker 2: another Russia. It doesn't really make sense. We'll see, Mouzeu
Speaker 2: says in a minute. And then he said, and I
Speaker 2: sent him of Cook. Roff Cook has a letter. It's
Speaker 2: an egosurf Cook volume one, page ninety nine, where of
Speaker 2: Cook says that of course the correct year is Ellen
Speaker 2: Mhem and Roff Cook develops the idea that a Haham
Speaker 2: is greater than a hussed and that when we say
Speaker 2: that a Hassili almost olam have a share in the
Speaker 2: world to come, that's that's the lower level because the Hajamim.
Speaker 2: They are able intellectually to figure out on their own
Speaker 2: the best way to live the hasidi almost and they
Speaker 2: only do it because they're told. It's what comp would
Speaker 2: call heteronomy, whereas the other is it's autonomy. They's on
Speaker 2: their own figure it out that this is the right
Speaker 2: way to live. It shows that they've reached an amazing height.
Speaker 2: It's like we say about avre Leavinu that he did
Speaker 2: certain mitzhos. He was able to figure this out. It
Speaker 2: shows an incredible uh development of whether he because we
Speaker 2: usually assume he figured it out on his own, he
Speaker 2: wasn't told through then on his own he understood that
Speaker 2: that's the way to fulfill God's will, even though he
Speaker 2: wasn't commanded. And the rough cook says that that these
Speaker 2: people who were able to figure out on their own,
Speaker 2: for example, that you shouldn't kill and you shouldn't steal,
Speaker 2: that's on a higher level than those who just accepted
Speaker 2: this because this is what God says to do. And
Speaker 2: by the way, the Rumba himself says this, the Rumbum
Speaker 2: says that that when he has a problem here, because
Speaker 2: there's one place where the sage just say you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to say that you're supposed to say, for example,
Speaker 2: about certain sins. He says, I want to do it,
Speaker 2: but a terris says I can't. It's like I'm not
Speaker 2: supposed to say I hate kosher food. You're supposed say no,
Speaker 2: not coacher food. No, not kosher food tastes good. It's
Speaker 2: just that we're commanded not to. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: the rum says that what doesn't this contradict what you're
Speaker 2: gonna say? Uh, I mean that, you know, I wish
Speaker 2: I could kill this person, but uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to because of the trus says not to,
Speaker 2: or I really wanna, you know, commit adultery, even I'm
Speaker 2: not going to because the Taurus says, or rape this person.
Speaker 2: The rambum distinguishes between like natural laws, which you would
Speaker 2: know even without the toe, if you would say that
Speaker 2: I really want to kill, where I really want to
Speaker 2: steal from this person, but I'm not going because the
Speaker 2: Taurus says I'm not going not to. That's like a
Speaker 2: low level. That is a low level. Yes, better than nothing,
Speaker 2: but you should know on your own that it's wrong
Speaker 2: to kill and wrong to steal. And that's the whole
Speaker 2: reason why we assume that people could be punished even
Speaker 2: though they never were given a revelation like in the
Speaker 2: days of Noah. Of these people they didn't know anything,
Speaker 2: but they should have known on their own that the
Speaker 2: killing is wrong, stealing is wrong. So all this fits
Speaker 2: into a very nice approach that we have and is
Speaker 2: that odds by the way, with the rumbums, the version
Speaker 2: that we have in the mission or sort of cook
Speaker 2: goes off and explaining how that we don't even need
Speaker 2: to say about these people that they have a share
Speaker 2: in the world to come, because of course they have
Speaker 2: a share in the world to come. They're higher than
Speaker 2: the people who are just doing it because they're commanded.
Speaker 2: Seduca by the way, is one you have some people
Speaker 2: who say that the only reason we give saducah is
Speaker 2: because we're commanded. If we weren't commanded, why would I
Speaker 2: ever give sadaka? But that strikes me as real, really
Speaker 2: off and it's not in line with all the great
Speaker 2: rabbinic teachers that teach the es a notion of a
Speaker 2: natural law. No, you should give saduaka because it's the
Speaker 2: right thing to do. The lowest level is the one
Speaker 2: who does who says, well, if it wasn't for the midst,
Speaker 2: I never give sadaka. And the only reason you're doing
Speaker 2: it is because you're commanded. You should do it even
Speaker 2: if you're not commanded. And the reason we had sadukah,
Speaker 2: according to many, falls into the model of a natural
Speaker 2: law that you should know on your own intellectually, you
Speaker 2: should rationally know that it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: And so after summarizing this letter, he doesn't say who
Speaker 2: it's from. He says, sing lea may Garrett a copy
Speaker 2: of a letter, I mean a copy, And I said
Speaker 2: to him in my note, I tell you who it is.
Speaker 2: He says, with all due respect, the Bali Garrett, the
Speaker 2: person who wrote this letter. It bothers me. You can't
Speaker 2: even say re the Bali Garrett made a big mistake here,
Speaker 2: Charley Marie. May God forgive him, because even though it
Speaker 2: says he has a good intentions, he explains that no,
Speaker 2: that this is incorrect, that the version of the rumba
Speaker 2: we have is correct, that just like if a Jew,
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, the non j you has to know
Speaker 2: he's doing it because it's commanded, And he gives a para.
Speaker 2: He says, just like a Jew if you decide that
Speaker 2: you just like every seventh day, you like to rest
Speaker 2: and you like to not use your phones, just because
Speaker 2: you feel that makes for a healthier life, is that
Speaker 2: the fill in the midst of He says, of course not,
Speaker 2: there's no starry, You're not doing anything. So the same
Speaker 2: thing with the non Jews. Of course, the difference is
Speaker 2: that we're talking about a ritual law like Shabis, where
Speaker 2: you would only do it because they're commanded, and the
Speaker 2: natural w roof Cook would say, you can't compare the two.
Speaker 2: The Chevs they know a her natural laws that non
Speaker 2: Jews are able to understand on their own. That's what
Speaker 2: makes them. I mean, what does the kamara say you
Speaker 2: could have earned certain things from behavior of animals? And
Speaker 2: but he goes off and explains that, no, it's not true.
Speaker 2: If Cook is wrong that you have to you have
Speaker 2: to accept everything, you have to do it because I
Speaker 2: guess he might say you have to do tadaka because
Speaker 2: who's commanded. And then he says, although it's true that
Speaker 2: if someone says there's hakma bagoian, there's wisdom on the goole,
Speaker 2: and he says, you have to believe it that's only
Speaker 2: a cokma which does nothing to with Torah. But hakmasa
Speaker 2: tora no. But again, if I Cook would say to him,
Speaker 2: the chevss today Noah are not only from Torah. They're
Speaker 2: the sort of thing that by definition you shouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to figure out on your own, even without being
Speaker 2: commanded their natural law. That's what of Cook would say.
Speaker 2: But I Klein rejects that show them to agree with
Speaker 2: what this letter says, that these people have even greater star.
Speaker 2: And then he doesn't like the source from the miser
Speaker 2: because Michel Sara Leezzer says that the idea is that
Speaker 2: you have to you accept that it comes hussy to
Speaker 2: musoam is when it comes from Noah, whereas the Rombam
Speaker 2: says from Mosha. So I don't really have a source
Speaker 2: for the rumbamba per se. So then you see Ramanasha
Speaker 2: Kaim with a really very particularistic, exclusivist uh view, rejecting
Speaker 2: not just for Cook, but this whole tradition of seeing
Speaker 2: the rambamb not saying that the person who observes the
Speaker 2: show of mispost because on his own intellect, not because
Speaker 2: their commanded, is not one of the haside of Muslim,
Speaker 2: he's not even one of the hum So there's more
Speaker 2: in this letter another point. But I want to make
Speaker 2: a detour now because Rabbi Mazus, who I don't know
Speaker 2: how many of you knew anything about Rebbie Mazous before
Speaker 2: we started these classes. We're gonna have more to say
Speaker 2: about him in future classes. When I sent him the
Speaker 2: copy of the book, he gives us Saturday night sheer
Speaker 2: and then the Shear is published as weekly thing. They
Speaker 2: printed about one hundred thousand copies in Israel. It's the
Speaker 2: largest weekly shear in terms of distribution in the world.
Speaker 2: They even had it in Gerbi when I was there,
Speaker 2: printed out. But believe it or not, he dealt with
Speaker 2: this letter from Manasha Clan in his evening sheer. So
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what he says. But before I do that,
Speaker 2: on a second, I guess. Before I do that, I
Speaker 2: want to play you just what he says. You can
Speaker 2: actually sing it. It's on YouTube and you'll see it's
Speaker 2: a very hard Hebrew to understand, an Arabic sort of Hebrew.
Speaker 2: And now you have to listen carefully to what he says.
Speaker 2: He says something about me which is incorrect, but you're
Speaker 2: going to derive something interesting from it, so let me.
Speaker 2: Then I'll share my screen with you and I'll explain
Speaker 2: to you what he says if you can't understand it,
Speaker 2: because it's not the easiest Hebrew. So this is from
Speaker 2: November thirtieth of twenty nineteen, so that the book came
Speaker 2: out in August of twenty nineteen. I sent it to
Speaker 2: him so he so just pay attention to what he
Speaker 2: says and then I'll summarize it for you. He was
Speaker 2: speaking about this rumbum, and he was arguing that the
Speaker 2: only correct yours is the one ella merch Maham that
Speaker 2: if you do the mitsmos Noah because of your own intellect,
Speaker 2: you're not Hasido Solim, but you're one of the ham.
Speaker 2: So listen carefully. Here it's no.
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Speaker 2: I okay, So while a couple of things first, before
Speaker 2: I get to the interesting point. He says, this doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. He says that how could you say that?
Speaker 2: If you do it because of your own intellect, you're
Speaker 2: not going to see them at Homan You're not maam.
Speaker 2: What argue he says, Behama, are you a behamor He says,
Speaker 2: of course it's a mistaken gear. So you have to
Speaker 2: use your If you look at it, it's clear it's
Speaker 2: pashoot don't and he explains so that that has to be. Now,
Speaker 2: what's interesting is that he said, if you paid attention,
Speaker 2: he said about me that I'm a monahl bait me
Speaker 2: drush Robinia America. I'm the head I direct j t S.
Speaker 2: How where did you get that from? Well, so I
Speaker 2: wrote to him, I said, I have nothing to do
Speaker 2: with JTS. Why would you say that? Because he knew
Speaker 2: him a professor. But he wrote back because I sent
Speaker 2: him years before my so liberman condress and he saw that.
Speaker 2: So he thought that I was must be running the
Speaker 2: seminary because I'm running all about shaw Lieberman and uh
Speaker 2: things like that. So uh but notice he says, he
Speaker 2: says that he's manal bating Josh Arbon in America. But
Speaker 2: he says, but who you're Rayshamayim. So at the time
Speaker 2: he thought that I was working for the Conservatives, but
Speaker 2: he says, I'm still Erasha Mayum. This gets us to
Speaker 2: the oldest beute about Lieberman, which when we finish these classes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the shaw Lieberman two classes. Oh he's
Speaker 2: rshaue Liuberman. Some Godoban related to shaw Weber, like he
Speaker 2: was one of the delict rule others wanted like the
Speaker 2: ground Caller wanted nothing to do with him. So here
Speaker 2: you see revend Mazoos because at this time he thought
Speaker 2: that I was involved with the seminary. But he still
Speaker 2: has no problem quoting me and saying, then I'm Erasia Maime.
Speaker 2: But uh, that's interesting. Now what's this thing about Pataka?
Speaker 2: I'll show you this because this is cute. He have
Speaker 2: to know, I have to look it up and everything
Speaker 2: he says, he quotes the Pussa. You see this here
Speaker 2: in Peta. I think he just came to him. He
Speaker 2: knows all the forest came to us by Peta. He says,
Speaker 2: pet that's the door for the lowest row of chambers,
Speaker 2: so he said, he said, professor Tomina Peta. And then
Speaker 2: he call he calls me Petta or whatever I'm not
Speaker 2: saying I'm to he wants to say it. Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: take it. But uh. The funny thing is that this
Speaker 2: has now become a joke among friends of mine. So uh,
Speaker 2: a friend of mine just sent me. I don't want
Speaker 2: to show you his name because maybe he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to know it, but I'll show you the bottom maybe
Speaker 2: you can see it. Well. Whatever he rates to me,
Speaker 2: mat car peta, peta tough swiggly markst And I have
Speaker 2: other people who now send me uh emails they go
Speaker 2: to meta. So this has become a big joke that
Speaker 2: in our little world, they're especially among the remazous people.
Speaker 2: I'm known as patak Uh. So I guess that could
Speaker 2: be on my you can call me. There's worse things
Speaker 2: to be called. Uh. Incidentally, just so you don't think
Speaker 2: that he he doesn't he does. I'll show you where
Speaker 2: he mentions me by name, so you know I'm not
Speaker 2: under any sort of room or anything. Here is just uh,
Speaker 2: just a couple of months ago. I'll show you by
Speaker 2: the way they start the weekly share with this Arabic music,
Speaker 2: the the old Arabic music. So here just so preserve
Speaker 2: her posterity. You can hear my name mentioned. So you
Speaker 2: know I'm not making it up. Hold, how do you know?
Speaker 4: Because a little because America.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there you go, lely Mal Shapiro good enough.
Speaker 2: I actually maybe I says I shouldn't be, but I
Speaker 2: I feel very good to hear that, because you know,
Speaker 2: I think he's like the greatest god that we have
Speaker 2: in our time, so in terms of knowledge and breath,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna hear a lot more from him. So uh,
Speaker 2: I feel what's an unbelievable as a houss that they
Speaker 2: can point out something and and be mentioned and be
Speaker 2: corrected when when people thought it was a big honor
Speaker 2: when the love would tell you, or even Shan Lieberman
Speaker 2: when he tell you you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: So I feel this is a house. I don't have
Speaker 2: that many as a julios in that, but at least
Speaker 2: that I have, I think I have a bit of
Speaker 2: a cuss in it. Okay. The other thing is I
Speaker 2: want to return to Minosha clin. So the other thing
Speaker 2: is that Ramanasha Cline I sent them that there's a Okay,
Speaker 2: let me back up for a minute. There's there's passages
Speaker 2: in the Talmud, not passages throughout the Talmud where hasal
Speaker 2: cite a pussock just to prove something that you have
Speaker 2: to do it this way? So what is that pussk
Speaker 2: is that pussak? Are they deriving it from that pussuk? Is?
Speaker 2: Do we already have do we have a tradition? And
Speaker 2: this pussuk is just like a mnemonic or something to
Speaker 2: remind us. Does the pussa create the drushah? This is
Speaker 2: a big dispute. The rum bum says that we have
Speaker 2: a tradition, an oral tradition on all these things, or
Speaker 2: pretty much all these things or many of these things,
Speaker 2: and uh, the pusak is just like a mnemonic device.
Speaker 2: That is, they're not really deriving that you do X
Speaker 2: or y because the pusca, No, we know it from tradition.
Speaker 1: This is what you do.
Speaker 2: The pusic is just being cited as like, uh, to
Speaker 2: to help you memorize it as simon or something like that.
Speaker 2: But it does the haha doesn't derive from the pussa.
Speaker 2: This is a problematic position for many because if you
Speaker 2: look in the Gallari, it does certainly seem as if
Speaker 2: they're deriving it from the psuki. The Richt val In
Speaker 2: in his commentary on Russia Shana, he says that what
Speaker 2: what we would call it ismachta from a pussa? What
Speaker 2: it is that when a toura is given, it has
Speaker 2: the ability to be derived, that is, it's already in
Speaker 2: the torah. The in in potentia should say latent that
Speaker 2: this is the meaning. But hazal have the authority whether
Speaker 2: to darshan it uh or not. Shaloka must come in.
Speaker 2: But the saint just have the ability to derive it
Speaker 2: if they want. And then what is there for us
Speaker 2: say that this is borrow the ms and not like
Speaker 2: the not likes, not like those who explain us Vota
Speaker 2: shuk Derek Simon. And it's just like a mnemonic device
Speaker 2: or a sign. But it doesn't actually it's not really
Speaker 2: essential to the commandments. Sahoshi Kane who das minus because
Speaker 2: if you say that it's a position of heresy, well,
Speaker 2: the rum Bum says that so Ramanasha cind was speaking
Speaker 2: about it and talking about how the rich Va and
Speaker 2: most people assume that the rich Va was attacking the
Speaker 2: Rumbum and saying it's a heretical position. By the way,
Speaker 2: the Ritva doesn't think that the Rumm's a heretic. This
Speaker 2: is also important among these shown it's not uncommon for
Speaker 2: one to say about another that it's a heretical position.
Speaker 2: We spoke about the raw Bob. They say about the
Speaker 2: raw Bogs views, it's heretical views. The Ramban says about
Speaker 2: the Rumbum's views about certain one in particular, that certain
Speaker 2: biblical events happen in dreams, that you can't believe this.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that they think the rich One doesn't
Speaker 2: think the Rumbum's a heretic. Just because believe in heretical
Speaker 2: view doesn't make you a heretic. It's a good position,
Speaker 2: I think for our day. Also, you might find someone
Speaker 2: who has a position of you that he thinks heretical.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean the person's a heretic. That's what the says.
Speaker 2: He says it's a dos meus, but he doesn't. Ramo
Speaker 2: thinks differently. He doesn't think that the Rum's heretic. The
Speaker 2: rama holds of you that he thinks is heretical. What
Speaker 2: I sent Rabbi Klein is that there's a there's a
Speaker 2: great goddo His name was Michel Enroff because he was
Speaker 2: miss People don't know that much about him. But he
Speaker 2: had he been a good he would have been they
Speaker 2: would have made him the god old Door when he
Speaker 2: was really an unbelievably towering figure in Michel he wrote
Speaker 2: responds called Kolmavaser. Of course he has ionistic type stuff
Speaker 2: in this chuva, but he has a counterest in which
Speaker 2: he discusses the certain matters and he deals with this
Speaker 2: rit va. And he says this rich Vuck couldn't have
Speaker 2: been referring to the Rambo the Rabam's position. He didn't
Speaker 2: know about it because it was an apparish emissioner and
Speaker 2: he didn't have the Hebrew translation. He says, it's impossible
Speaker 2: to imagine that he would have said it about the Rambam.
Speaker 2: There's other people who could have had this position, and
Speaker 2: as are others. REMI client and I agree it is
Speaker 2: for my client. By the way, in this he says
Speaker 2: he doesn't see that this is necessarily true. There is
Speaker 2: showing held of this concept bo Saguru, don't be afraid.
Speaker 2: That is they they say their minds and we know
Speaker 2: he says, how much the Rashkook criticized the Rhambab in
Speaker 2: air force. There's no reason to assume. He doesn't mention
Speaker 2: the Resa, doesn't mention the rama my name and of
Speaker 2: cold you could say he says that, and the person
Speaker 2: who says this, it's a doas minos. But he doesn't
Speaker 2: accept this idea. And by the way, if you look
Speaker 2: in the addition of the safe as the karna, the
Speaker 2: ritva Ormi Kama khana as I recall, he also says
Speaker 2: this isn't correct. No reason to assume this. So that's
Speaker 2: the tuva of Ramanasha Khan. The next one we have
Speaker 2: five minutes. We'll see if we get through it or not.
Speaker 2: It's taking us. It's a long one. We're going it's
Speaker 2: we're not going to go through all of it. It's
Speaker 2: twelve pages. It's from Anam. He's someone we mentioned already,
Speaker 2: not a well known rabbi was the rabbi in Arakiva
Speaker 2: in Israel. It's not really a significant place, but he
Speaker 2: wrote interesting books and he's one of the people I
Speaker 2: corresponded with So why does I think there's three or
Speaker 2: four letters from him? Because after he responded the first time,
Speaker 2: I wrote him another again and again, and this dis
Speaker 2: appears in one of his two vote volume seven Zahamanacha.
Speaker 2: I also, I feel it's a great subcost and a
Speaker 2: great honor. Here's someone he doesn't know me other than
Speaker 2: through correspondence, and yet he writes a twelve page letter
Speaker 2: to me, thirteen pages actually thirteen pages, which must have
Speaker 2: taken him a number of days. How often do we
Speaker 2: write letters to people we don't know, putting such effort
Speaker 2: into it. I understand it's limatra, but he could do
Speaker 2: a limaitar other way. It's a As I say in
Speaker 2: the preface, I'm very thankful to all of them who
Speaker 2: who took the time and effort to write to someone
Speaker 2: who they didn't know from Adam. So what were my questions?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, the time I'll introduce you to the questions. We'll
Speaker 2: get to the answers next week. The question was simple enough,
Speaker 2: the rumbum, says his fobbos. I'm sure the rumbum in
Speaker 2: the laws of rote the laws of murder. Eric Dawa
Speaker 2: test says his follows, although there are other sins that
Speaker 2: are more serious than murder. They do not present as
Speaker 2: serious a danger to society as murder does. Even idle
Speaker 2: worship and needless to say, incest or violation of the Sabbath.
Speaker 2: See this is the kbad translation, and they translate Arios's incests.
Speaker 2: That's that's not the correct translation. Incest is included in it,
Speaker 2: but so is adultery of the woman. U is a
Speaker 2: man with a married woman. That's also included here. Generally
Speaker 2: this is a good translation, by the way, but this
Speaker 2: is incorrect incests because you see this, you say incests,
Speaker 2: and then you say gili Arios, it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: not included. So he said even idle worship and neither
Speaker 2: and Minos is saying that's say, sexual morality or the
Speaker 2: violation of Sabbath are not considered as severe as murder.
Speaker 2: For these sins involve man's relationship with God. Well, murder
Speaker 2: also involves man's relationship with his fellow man. So he's
Speaker 2: telling how bad murder is. Murder is worse than ghigli Arios,
Speaker 2: and it's worse than and shab this is, and it's
Speaker 2: worse than a votas are. But then if that's the case,
Speaker 2: What does he mean when he says, although there are
Speaker 2: other sins that are more serious than murder? He says,
Speaker 2: awful preciation of voters. Murimi, you just told me that
Speaker 2: murder is worse than a vodas ara and sristami. But
Speaker 2: you said in the previous order, if that there are
Speaker 2: sins that are worse than uh, they are worse than murder.
Speaker 2: We'll show you to let me read it to you.
Speaker 2: What exactly says there are sins more serious than murder.
Speaker 2: They don't present as serious a dangerous society as murder does.
Speaker 2: So what what is it? Then? What's what's what's what's more?
Speaker 2: What's worse than murder? That was the question the other
Speaker 2: blood questions. Since we just have two minutes, say the
Speaker 2: other questions. The other questions are quick. We'll get into
Speaker 2: them as well. One's easy, erasing God's name and like
Speaker 2: a computer. This is at the beginning of the computer era.
Speaker 2: You know, you write God's name on your on your computer.
Speaker 2: Can you erase them? That's gonna be a simple one.
Speaker 2: The next one is not so simple. We'll get back
Speaker 2: to it next week. Let's say psychologically, someone I asked,
Speaker 2: I gave it theoretical, but you can give any example.
Speaker 2: You need to smoke. The man says that if I
Speaker 2: don't smoke on I'm gonna go out of my mind.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump off the building. I'm gonna kill myself.
Speaker 2: I need to smoke. It could be any other example
Speaker 2: of mahal shabis or is that permitted because of someone's
Speaker 2: psychological difficulty? Remember what we saw with the Lake of
Speaker 2: Versus Shiva. He was dealing with people who were addicted.
Speaker 2: I played it for you the video where he says,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it shabas, doesn't matter if you'm
Speaker 2: a kipper, if you need to call your sponsor, call
Speaker 2: your sponsor, you're allowed to be Mihal sharpis well who
Speaker 2: says just because someone has a psychological issue, Let's say
Speaker 2: I have a psychological issue, I feel I need to
Speaker 2: eat tarfuss Uh. There's a case in the Gomara that
Speaker 2: says a man he needed to uh talk to this
Speaker 2: woman or he would die. And they say no, no,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna let the binosi Cheryl Hesker. So we'll
Speaker 2: get into this answer. How how much of a psychological
Speaker 2: danger to someone's self, even maybe danger to life, does
Speaker 2: that allow you then to violate shabas. If someone says that,
Speaker 2: you know, I just can't take it anymore. I'm going crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been all these months. I need to
Speaker 2: turn on the television. Tonight's Friday Night. I mean, when
Speaker 2: are you allowed? If at all? And as I said,
Speaker 2: but the main part of this response is going to
Speaker 2: be what does the rambo mean when he says that
Speaker 2: certain of ViOS are worse than murder? If it's not
Speaker 2: the three big ones, what could be worse than murder?
Speaker 2: And so we'll get back to that next class, and
Speaker 2: I think also next class, Yeah, we will finish this one.
Speaker 2: We're going to deal with the Kleousenberger Rebbe introduce you
Speaker 2: to a new figure, a very significant and very interesting
Speaker 2: figure who especially when I went to ERICI Straul, But
Speaker 2: I also a terrible situation he had in the war.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about his biography and maybe that really
Speaker 2: can explain some of the difficult things he says. And
Speaker 2: then more good stuff. But we're up to page two
Speaker 2: sixty four now and the book is three hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy one pages, so we still have time. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna thank you all. Let me take the questions here
Speaker 2: the chat no mass Susanna says, no mass no in Israel.
Speaker 2: What they do with the Yeshimas now is that everyone
Speaker 2: came in and they were in pods and they they
Speaker 2: all got corona. They didn't work my son as corona.
Speaker 2: The people you see there most of them have corona,
Speaker 2: but had had, but they keep them separate. There's two groups,
Speaker 2: and the groups that are together, they're allowed to be together,
Speaker 2: and they're under locked out. So it's very unlikely that
Speaker 2: the few people who don't have it will get it
Speaker 2: because the people because they're with people who have it,
Speaker 2: and no one's going out. But if you notice there
Speaker 2: one of the rushi yeshiva, the one playing the guitar.
Speaker 2: The rushi plays a guitar, but he's he's in the box.
Speaker 2: And all the were bane who come in, they're in
Speaker 2: these enclosed boxes that are closed on top. Also when
Speaker 2: they first began the year, they were not enclosed on top.
Speaker 2: But everything's unclosed, so but not the students. It's the
Speaker 2: best thing this year, the students who are in Israel
Speaker 2: this year and all the yeshivas they're able to have
Speaker 2: the only thing they can't do is go to people's
Speaker 2: houses for shavis, which is an important part of the year.
Speaker 2: But at least they can have a normal Yeshiva experience.
Speaker 2: So David says, the Russahiva Benny Freeman is a Toma
Speaker 2: revokes steam. Yes he is, although he's not he's more
Speaker 2: into the racidics side. I don't know where he got
Speaker 2: that from, because he didn't get it from a less steam.
Speaker 2: He's very much into the heart they have other Russia.
Speaker 2: Yes see Blah was also Russashiva there and I'm not
Speaker 2: not saying that Benny Freeman doesn't have the head also,
Speaker 2: but he leads the cums. It's every Thursday night and
Speaker 2: really he's he's very good in terms of touching students. Yes,
Speaker 2: rebec Kelma says music and Dovining was reformed, and indeed
Speaker 2: it was reform. Yes, Karlbach did it, and they do
Speaker 2: it for Sri Ros. But in the middle of job
Speaker 2: Shakris Dovning, it's it's a Karba thing exactly, Howard says
Speaker 2: correctly enough, telling music exists in the base of eglash
Speaker 2: a sure is something with carbonos that becomes the big
Speaker 2: issue when the reformers start. So what's wrong with music
Speaker 2: and how are you saying, why can't we have music
Speaker 2: and on shopists? Why can we have a job as
Speaker 2: a non jew blazon. But that's the base of dash,
Speaker 2: that's not in shoals. There's no unluckily problem. But the
Speaker 2: question is are you imitating the non Jews and you
Speaker 2: do it today? I don't think anyone is because the
Speaker 2: reform don't use organs today anyway, do they? So no
Speaker 2: one's going to raise in the shoe I think now,
Speaker 2: Tai says the THEGUNI for the put team mini game,
Speaker 2: I row or the issue that hasn't changing dingo for
Speaker 2: bacca or okay, not sure what you meant by that. Yes, yes, bah,
Speaker 2: this is exactly thet it's Fardak. I know it's Farta.
Speaker 2: So if it's Farta, then we know where it comes from.
Speaker 2: Either comes from the Ottoman Empire or it comes from
Speaker 2: ritiro Er. So I was part of the empire. I
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if it was Fardak or not. Tender wine
Speaker 2: is from the front part of the cow. Susana says, okay,
Speaker 2: but in the video and the picture I showed you,
Speaker 2: it showed it from the back part of the cow.
Speaker 2: You saw the picture I showed you. Uh do I
Speaker 2: still have it here? No, I closed it here. It is, Susannah.
Speaker 2: I don't know any about cows, but there you have
Speaker 2: in the back. There's the tenderloine. There's the sirloin. And
Speaker 2: I believe that real tenderloin we can eat in America.
Speaker 2: You can't get it anywhere they have. It's like fake
Speaker 2: tender win That's what I'm told. I don't like steak
Speaker 2: and then meat. I go to the steakhouses, I get chickens.
Speaker 2: So I uh i am, says our ruffles at the
Speaker 2: cotow and a hustle's phone began ringing the tune of
Speaker 2: jingle bells. It was clear he had no idea what
Speaker 2: it was. Yes, that is strange. Yes, the siatic nerds. Okay,
Speaker 2: you have to remove to get enough. So yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you're asking Before I got to it, Susanna says, it's
Speaker 2: too expensive to remove it. It is very expensive. You
Speaker 2: saw what the prices are of that meat. But Zev says,
Speaker 2: don't try ports and official scrabble tournament or club. It
Speaker 2: will get challenged off. Why will it get challenged off.
Speaker 2: It's in the dictionary, It's in the major dictionaries. I
Speaker 2: looked online and all the big dictionaries it's there that
Speaker 2: should make it a good a good word. It's acceptable
Speaker 2: in Collins, which is used all over the world, but
Speaker 2: it's not acceptable in North American travel. Okay, you're a
Speaker 2: scrabble person, but the word comes from England champion. Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: but not. My question is it should be though it's
Speaker 2: an English word, it's a word. It should yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: the anti Semite's over at the scrabble people.
Speaker 3: What can you do that?
Speaker 2: David says apropost secular songs and the call of a Ready,
Speaker 2: A group of snarky American Shea students attended a district
Speaker 2: calif in man A Brock and Tuck to Reddy in
Speaker 2: his Casidom New Niggod, which is actually the musical interlude
Speaker 2: in My Angel is a centerfold no no no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, and the Ready is reported as saying, this
Speaker 2: is a stark of Niggod. In the mid nineteen eighties,
Speaker 2: you know what, any everything has Holway sparks. So if
Speaker 2: they want to raise that up, they can raise that up. Also,
Speaker 2: I told you already months ago that the Kabba in
Speaker 2: the eighties, the habbad house in Rutgers was singing the
Speaker 2: old you can see it on YouTube. Bum bum bumbobye
Speaker 2: bumbobe tuna. They were Daidad and the Kabbad people, of
Speaker 2: course had no idea what that was, but that was
Speaker 2: the Nigga. Barrak points out in pretty big disinsionet case,
Speaker 2: letter writing was a common pastime. You're correct, and I
Speaker 2: sort of imagined myself. And as I said, from the
Speaker 2: very first class, I you remember as this republic of letters,
Speaker 2: and as a historian, if you've seen my Winberg book,
Speaker 2: you know that it couldn't have been written in the
Speaker 2: way it was certainly not the last chapter without all
Speaker 2: the letters. And I've I've published many letters. As much
Speaker 2: as my research is done with letters. I wonder what
Speaker 2: are future historians going to do? Because who writes letters?
Speaker 2: So fine, the president and other important people they give
Speaker 2: their hard drive to some library, but most of us
Speaker 2: write emails, and afterword on it's just it disappears. How
Speaker 2: will we be able to write history? How will be
Speaker 2: able to know what the people were thinking? So I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's going to be a problem. The
Speaker 2: letters is what enables us to write so many important
Speaker 2: things about history and all the world history, American history,
Speaker 2: the study biography. They all depend on private letters. And
Speaker 2: as I said, we were part of We had this
Speaker 2: republic of letters in the Jewish world as well. Im
Speaker 2: not no no no uh, the the gears of the Rambam.
Speaker 2: If you open up your mission tar it says the lorchmehem,
Speaker 2: but the other Geirsa it says el michmehem. So it's
Speaker 2: a question h David Eisen's which is the correct here
Speaker 2: David says to Eli Wesel, have any issues in rushalkinds Antisigonis.
Speaker 2: Elie Weisel was together with Manusha Colin and buch and
Speaker 2: volved and later of Manusha Kline was Ou Schwitzer. Also
Speaker 2: with Elie Weisel. After the war, they took very different lessons.
Speaker 2: The issue isn't so much with the anti Zionists and
Speaker 2: Nasha Clin's on an anti Zionists. He took his lands
Speaker 2: for kariyas Umvar kiryat Uvar from the Zionists. He's not
Speaker 2: he's like a non Zionist. He's really not anti Zionist
Speaker 2: in the sense you think of stmore. But what was
Speaker 2: the lesson that Elie Weisel took from the Holocaust. It's
Speaker 2: that we have with all this hate, we have to
Speaker 2: create love. And Elie Wisel's entire life was about love.
Speaker 2: And yet if in kiryat Umvar the base Madrish is
Speaker 2: named after Elie Rissel's murdered family, I think in particular
Speaker 2: as father. And Eli Usel was a big financial backer
Speaker 2: of Nashaklin. And I only met Elie Usel once, and
Speaker 2: I didn't have the heart to mention this to him,
Speaker 2: But one day, if I knew him, I wanted to say,
Speaker 2: do you know what your money that you're such a
Speaker 2: humanist and believer and spreading of love, that your friend
Speaker 2: of Nasha Kline, that some of the things he's teaching
Speaker 2: is in direct opposition. He's not teaching the love of
Speaker 2: all people. He's teaching like a contempt of non Jews.
Speaker 2: That was very much opposed to Deli Whizzel. So I
Speaker 2: never asked Luizel that excitedly man once. It's very striking
Speaker 2: that Ramanasha client took a very different lesson from the war.
Speaker 2: The lesson was that you can't trust the non Jews.
Speaker 2: Even if a nan Jew is being nice to you,
Speaker 2: really just give him a chance and I'll slit your throat,
Speaker 2: and that we have to kick to ourselfs and we
Speaker 2: want nothing to do with the non Jews. Eli Wesel's listen,
Speaker 2: which is the exact opposite. That we have to learn
Speaker 2: from hatred and we have to try to stop it
Speaker 2: wherever we are, wherever it is. And Barrow points that
Speaker 2: Rabbi Client was not something more he was connected to Kousenberg. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Ellen says natural versus tower maybe killing, stealing, But rao
Speaker 2: seems to be a weak point regardless. Well, when you
Speaker 2: speak about arayos, we're speaking about incests, we're speaking on adulteros, homosexuality.
Speaker 2: Those are regarded traditionally as being a natural war. Today
Speaker 2: we review. I think that the move is to say
Speaker 2: it's not natural law that for example, homosexuality is us sir,
Speaker 2: but only because of the two commands it. But we
Speaker 2: can imagine, you know, people having the people of it,
Speaker 2: that's their inclination, so it's not natural law. I think
Speaker 2: that would make sense today people would have a different perspective,
Speaker 2: many people would at least, But classically a rios were
Speaker 2: included in. I mean, the incest is one of the
Speaker 2: chev missos, whether you know about it or not it's
Speaker 2: one of the chev miss I mean. Rabbi Klain doesn't
Speaker 2: say that you you don't know about you. He says
Speaker 2: that only if you do the things because of God,
Speaker 2: that you have a share in the world to come.
Speaker 2: But you still are sinning even if you've never heard
Speaker 2: about the Torah, because they're natural. The Rabbi Helma says,
Speaker 2: Tura says if you own money, and the moral explains
Speaker 2: to Tura rights if that we should get stuck up
Speaker 2: because we want to, not because we have to up
Speaker 2: of Weinberg writes about this as well. He says there's
Speaker 2: no brak on and he develops the notion that because
Speaker 2: it's supposed to come internally, we're not supposed to we're
Speaker 2: supposed to want to do it.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's not a command. Uh maybe no, No, I
Speaker 2: I my my connection to y C T from years ago.
Speaker 2: But no, it's not. It's not y CT You believe me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because I asked him, he thought that it
Speaker 2: was j T S. Why Minihle, I don't know. Is
Speaker 2: a Jesuit university better than j T S. Yes, the
Speaker 2: Jesuit University is more than j T S. Because of
Speaker 2: Jesuit University. I'm a jewan of Jesu University. What do
Speaker 2: I have to do with that. It's a non Jewish institution.
Speaker 2: But when you're with the seminary, you're involved. You could say,
Speaker 2: with the uh An institution that's in opposition to total law.
Speaker 2: Oh so Borough said, he meant JTS not y c
Speaker 2: T No, No, not Rabbi Greenberg. But it's it's Rabbi
Speaker 2: Musu's is as I said Professor tomacuffm So, I'm a
Speaker 2: professor Tomahluffam not I would say, but uh not according
Speaker 2: to obviously the level of the people were dealing with here,
Speaker 2: Howard says. Was Ravaren Cutler a brother in law tosh
Speaker 2: Lieberman married to sisters daughters Risida Meltzer. No, no, Ravarn
Speaker 2: Cutler has no relationship Toshan Lieberman. Rashaal Lieberman was the
Speaker 2: first cousin of the hash Their mothers were sisters. Ravaren
Speaker 2: Cutler was a son in law of versus An Meltzer,
Speaker 2: but he was not Rasha Lieberman. Nothing to do with
Speaker 2: Versallal Meltzer. Risital Meltzer had other Tommy were sons in law.
Speaker 2: Uh and Rafshach is also not a Rashach is a nephew.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Barry says to Weber was married to the daughter of
Speaker 2: Mayor Berlin, the granddaughter of them. It said, Yes, many
Speaker 2: people will point it out. Uh, yes, they're overlated to
Speaker 2: nottt Loewin asked, my wife asked Nashal Wanner, Why have
Speaker 2: Nashaklin signed his name is Manasha Cutton, because not Klein
Speaker 2: in German Yiddish is Cutton. Somember saying, signing Minasha Colin
Speaker 2: is like Nasha Cutton, just like so fair is Schreiber,
Speaker 2: Mosha Schreiber and Mosa so far are the same thing.
Speaker 2: So far the writer Schreiber, I see mail already pointed
Speaker 2: it out to Alvin, thank you. But it's it's also
Speaker 2: a sign of humility. As David says, they people often
Speaker 2: want to write, you know so and so Cutton, But
Speaker 2: with manashal Coin, it's not just sign of humility, it's
Speaker 2: actually his name. A couple more, David Eisen says from
Speaker 2: Michelm Rothwanda the religious sign is was also very post
Speaker 2: served movement, and accordingly refused to accept her Cook Prize
Speaker 2: when it was awarded together with soul Lieberman. That is correct,
Speaker 2: and you can read all about that and Sol and
Speaker 2: the Orthodox. But I also say that this Michelle and
Speaker 2: Roth from show even personally, if he knew him personally,
Speaker 2: he might have had a different approach to that. And
Speaker 2: I give an example because if you look in the
Speaker 2: coom of Us there there's a letter from Michele Roth
Speaker 2: to Adolf Schwartz. Adolf Schwartz who wrote this book on
Speaker 2: the Zarah Shova, he taught it. They Werebinical semon in Vienna.
Speaker 2: The Rabinical Semon in Vienna was not a north West institution.
Speaker 2: It was a conservative instance what we call conservative. And
Speaker 2: uh Michell m Ross had no problems sending a true
Speaker 2: with this man and being friends with him. So I
Speaker 2: don't know that Loewan says any precedent for other respect
Speaker 2: of her bone name converting their family name in this matter.
Speaker 2: He didn't really convert the family name. It's just in
Speaker 2: his writing he calls himself Nasha Cutton. If you look
Speaker 2: on the when you says, if he turned the book
Speaker 2: over the first the title page, it has his real name.
Speaker 2: His name is Kin, but in Hebrew coin is just
Speaker 2: the translation of a Cutton. So he'd write with it.
Speaker 2: Do any others right? Well, most people well, Steinsaltz doesn't.
Speaker 2: Steinsaltz didn't he turned his team in Israel. I have
Speaker 2: a lot of the people who turned the name into Hebrew.
Speaker 2: What a Steinsaltz call himself. He started using a U,
Speaker 2: a Hebrew term for his name strel So yes, we
Speaker 2: have examples of that as well. David, I'm machaveing to David.
Speaker 2: David knows a lot, and so we were machaveing together.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Most of the show's over. Rabbi Mel mentions.
Speaker 2: Rabbi raft I mentioned him the end of last class.
Speaker 2: I recommended everyone, I said, go to YouTube. I meant,
Speaker 2: while you Torah, you can get on the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 2: You can see get the link to his shar him
Speaker 2: on hespe for Joe DiMaggio. And it is true what
Speaker 2: Mel says. Robertaka has covid. As far as I know,
Speaker 2: at the moment, everything is okay. So uh I, we
Speaker 2: pray that that will be the case. Three more things here,
Speaker 2: someone privately emails and then they're real. It attributes to
Speaker 2: the death of his daughter to his once changing the
Speaker 2: cantillation of a portion he read in a particular city. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: that's not really relevant. That's a private thing. Sorry for idiot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Ellen says adultery is a weak spot for people of
Speaker 2: all stripes, regardless of other tot observants. Granted, but that's
Speaker 2: not the issue. The issue is can you figure out
Speaker 2: on your own that adultery is incorrect and wrong? And
Speaker 2: we see that societies all over the world recognize that
Speaker 2: it's wrong. So I know you might point up societies.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it's wrong, but it was always understood
Speaker 2: that that was regarded as a as something basic. If
Speaker 2: non Jews are commanded in it, the standard position is
Speaker 2: that it's natural law. It's that something you should be
Speaker 2: able to conclude on your own, because otherwise, what sense
Speaker 2: does it make to command people who don't have the tower? Ah? Yes,
Speaker 2: how I thank you? Now tell you all. Katan the
Speaker 2: the the editor of the the journal Hamaiyan, whose father
Speaker 2: was a from France who did the Dictionary of French
Speaker 2: into old Laws Old French. In Rashi, the name is Klaing,
Speaker 2: but his name is now and not just his name.
Speaker 2: The entire family in Israel took the name Katan. But
Speaker 2: but the Hakatan is he's combining the name with the
Speaker 2: with the modest I don't think if his name was Kling,
Speaker 2: he wasn't calling. He would have say Akatan Bar says
Speaker 2: Baba Scherebbi instructed Steinsels to do that. But it should
Speaker 2: be uh mela reven. Okay, yeah, so it's sort of
Speaker 2: it's not really a translation. Okay, everyone, well, thank you.
Speaker 2: Howard ends by saying, usually the Hebrew is not descriptive
Speaker 2: for the last name. We have other examples. I'll just
Speaker 2: give you and it will end Friedman, the name Friedman,
Speaker 2: so you have big scholars and mayor Friedman. He published
Speaker 2: various mid rassim in Hebrew. This is for you nat
Speaker 2: in Hebrew. He didn't write the name mayor Friedman. He
Speaker 2: wrote the name is Friedman. Ischello. And there's other examples
Speaker 2: where I can't think of any offhand where these academic
Speaker 2: scholars ceaseful Wroth in one of his essays, they wrote
Speaker 2: in Hebrew. He wrote very little in Hebrew. But he
Speaker 2: signs it meanha domin it like Asia de Rossi as
Speaker 2: I mean he calls Roth from red. He signs it
Speaker 2: meanha domein. So you have a number. I'll think of
Speaker 2: it when we finish. Now, I'll think of all the others.
Speaker 2: But it's a common thing that you'll find among the
Speaker 2: Fishenschef type scholars when they write in Hebrew hebreaicize their names.
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