WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:17.120 Thank you? What a. 4 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:28.399 Welcome to the cult rejects. In this episode I got 5 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.120 my co host Jin the Ninja. 6 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:32.719 What is going on? Jin? 7 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.799 Thank you very much for joining me and being the 8 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.600 co host. I'm sure pretty much everybody knows who you 9 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:40.719 are ready for being one of. 10 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:41.560 The cult rejects. 11 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.000 But in case there's some new listeners that maybe you 12 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.039 haven't heard yet in a few episodes, why don't you 13 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.159 let everybody know what your deal is and where they 14 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:50.479 can find your amazing works. 15 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:53.600 Thank you so much, Nick, and thank you for having 16 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:56.759 me on. And thank you to Mark who was a guest, 17 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:57.840 a great guest. 18 00:00:57.560 --> 00:00:58.240 On my show. 19 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.880 I can't even remember the episode number, Mark, but it 20 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.640 was a really great episode entitled Breath of Fire and 21 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:09.519 we discussed Zelda about It was a far ranging discussion 22 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.519 that talked about the metaphysics of anime and I think 23 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:17.560 video games at least an as an introductory I mean, 24 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:20.000 I could have gone on for three hours, but for 25 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.680 what it was, it was like a really in depth conversation. 26 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:23.760 So I appreciate that. 27 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.680 And so people can check out my shows Threshold Saints, 28 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.640 I am really interested in this idea of parafiction and metafiction. 29 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:33.159 That's sort of the evolution of my show and what 30 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:35.799 it's become, which is kind of like an idea that 31 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.040 comes a little bit from chaos magic and then a 32 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.319 little bit from contra Buddhism and this idea of clarifying 33 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.719 narratives with the truth and sort of mixing them alchemically 34 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:46.879 and so just like podcasting. 35 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:52.840 Really, thank you and all his links and everything will 36 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:55.319 be in the bottom as well with the show notes, 37 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.920 and thank you very much, Jin, I really do appreciate 38 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.920 you getting this suggesting this guest. I'm thinking this is 39 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.640 going to be very fun and interesting topic. H And 40 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.359 that leads us to the guest, Mark Mark. Thank you 41 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.199 so much for coming on. I know it was I 42 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.319 think I left you hanging for a while. I had 43 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:16.479 things going on I knew, but finally finally got you on. Mark, 44 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.360 if you can let everybody know, I guess you know 45 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.400 where they can find your work and maybe give us 46 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.120 a little bit of a I guess a background about 47 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.199 like you know what you're into and you know what 48 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:26.599 we're going to talk about here eventually. 49 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:32.120 Yeah, absolutely, uh yeah, I'm on Twitter as Solier, So 50 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.080 you'll see that in my name there, you know. And 51 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.280 I'm kind of a regular guy, you know, So I 52 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:42.800 taste wine. I do wine collections. I have a winery 53 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.520 in the mountains south of Los Angeles, and you know, 54 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.919 I've been working on that for several years with some partners. 55 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:52.639 But being you know, on Twitter and X, I've you know, 56 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:56.479 kind of created a I don't know, little side project 57 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.039 of examining media in a lot of different ways, and 58 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:03.120 originally started with like death stranding and the Legend of 59 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:09.680 Zelda and is applying a cult metaphysics and analysis to 60 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.879 you know, what are what are these things being presented 61 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:17.240 to us that are normally just a regular consumption. And 62 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.199 I began to pick up on a lot of hidden 63 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.639 trends and strange synchronicities, and through that, I've I've done 64 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:29.240 a number of different threads, particularly on anime because they 65 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.120 have a lot of strange things in them aside from 66 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.159 normal you know, American television for instance. 67 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:36.159 Uh. 68 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.759 And you know, I do a little continental philosophy, but 69 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.479 most of it is uh, you know, media studies. And 70 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.159 I think we're at a really unique juncture in history. Uh, 71 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.560 you know, everyone's kind of blost their minds a little bit. 72 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:54.439 We're inundated with technology, uh, mass media certainly changing people's perceptions, 73 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.439 and uh, you know, I really want to understand how 74 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:01.159 that affects, you know, me personally, that affects my friends 75 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:03.960 that you know country I live in, and you know, 76 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.120 how to navigate going forward as the world consistently changes, 77 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.479 and that's accelerating, that's being amplified, and I think some 78 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.680 of these you know, shows can really give us insights 79 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.000 into ourselves and maybe taking the next step forward and 80 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:18.079 navigating the future. 81 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:20.560 Thank you, I appreciate that. 82 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.279 I know what we're going to talk about originally kind 83 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.120 of talk about how do you just pronounce the name 84 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:28.519 of this again? 85 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:29.560 I don't want to screw it up. 86 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:36.480 The Evangelian, Yeah, I pronounced it on Neon Genesis Evangelian, Evangelian. 87 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:38.399 You know it's made over tomato. 88 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:38.800 Yeah. 89 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.279 Yeah, I'm from New York. So I'm from New York. 90 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.360 I could say however I want. I guess, so, yeah, 91 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.480 it doesn't matter. I know we're going to kind of 92 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.199 talk about that. But I mean, I think, you know, 93 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.759 we were saying something prior, and I do think there's 94 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.920 something behind this. And one thing I do want to 95 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.079 even add too, believe it or not, a lot of 96 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.879 suggested things I get to cover that is like something 97 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.120 i'd have to watch. It's actually a lot of like 98 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.639 japanimation stuff. I've actually have suggested to me a lot 99 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.399 some stuff I have looked at and I'm like, wow, 100 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:10.680 that's just blatant, you know, And uh, I'd never really 101 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.560 got like, really delved into the stuff too much. But 102 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:18.000 it seems like it's kind of blatant and it's things 103 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.120 are real popular and it's commercialized. I'm assuming there's probably 104 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:23.240 a reason maybe for this, or. 105 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:24.399 Maybe it just works. I don't know. 106 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.680 It captivates people's attention anyway, and you can make money 107 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.319 off of it. But I guess what I'm getting at 108 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.879 is it just does seem from what I looked at, 109 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:37.319 seems pretty prevalent amongst that japanimation with a cult and 110 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.040 you know, you know, I guess maybe you were kind 111 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.000 of like wondering, as you know, something to do with politics, 112 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.959 occultism all that, maybe there's a reason for it to 113 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.480 be going on right now. I know you have like 114 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.519 maybe some theories on that. Maybe we could talk about that. 115 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.399 Yeah, uh, you know, I mentioned this on Jin's episode two. 116 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.639 I had written an episode on the Breadth of Fire, 117 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.879 which talked about you know, Japan's. 118 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:06.079 Foray into Western imperialism. You know, at the the end. 119 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:10.160 Of the nineteenth century, you know, with the the Meiji 120 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.360 Reformation and how you know, Japan kind of abandoned the 121 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.839 old shogunate and became you know. 122 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.439 Masonic market imperialist. 123 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.000 And you know, you could look at the last Samurai 124 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.319 for instance, that's kind of you know Tom Tom Cruise 125 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.319 doing you know, dances with wolves, but he's you know, uh, 126 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:33.160 modernizing Japan, and it's it's a really interesting reflection on 127 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.439 how the Western or sorry, the Japanese elite began to 128 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:37.120 adopt a lot of. 129 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.720 Western occult symbolism. Uh. You know, many of them become 130 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:42.399 indoctrinated into you. 131 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.000 Know, some form of liberalism, uh, some form of you 132 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.000 know again Western uh militarism, and they start wearing all 133 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.439 the same badges and the stars and and and so 134 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.959 that's the beginning of their expansion into China, into the 135 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.879 Southeast Asia. And you know, over time, there's you know, 136 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.600 see World War two, the atomic bomb has dropped on them, 137 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.839 and then the kind of society changes and they're almost 138 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.240 like the leading precursor of what is happening around the 139 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:09.879 world now. 140 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:11.720 You know, they a. 141 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.240 Lot of the country is devastated. They have a huge 142 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:18.319 infrastructure rebuilding, and they adopt a lot of Western you know, 143 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:19.519 economic models. 144 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:20.519 But through this, you. 145 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.759 Know, you have arcades coming out and these you know, 146 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:27.040 brilliant light shows and cartoons, right like really become forefront 147 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.639 and and something in this society kind of adopts that 148 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.279 latches onto it. And and I you know, early on 149 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.920 I noticed, going back to like the fifties and the sixties, 150 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.199 there's weird occult themes in the Japanese anime even then. 151 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.079 And you know, it's only now being illuminated simply because 152 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:47.639 I can you know, we can all go on these 153 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:49.879 hyperlinks and surf the web and go, you know, make 154 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.399 all these cross references, whereas you know, thirty forty years ago, 155 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:55.160 you know, you would see that and go, oh, that's 156 00:07:55.160 --> 00:08:00.399 that's interesting. But the fact that it continually recurs, right, 157 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.120 that's something that just caught my attention, and so I 158 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:04.959 wanted to dig into it, you know, and then you 159 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.120 start playing games or you know, we talked about Zeno Gears. 160 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.480 That's a highly cabalistic video game. Uh, Neon Genesis was 161 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:14.600 actually really hard to find, you know, when I was 162 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.759 a kid, and so it wasn't until years later that 163 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.519 actually revisited as an adult, you know, Final Fantasy. Right, 164 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.519 the guy's name is Sephiroth, you know, and you're like, 165 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.639 that's a very strange name to just pick it for 166 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.879 a villain. And and so I kind of was pulling 167 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.879 that thread. And now that you know everyone has links 168 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.960 and you can pass us all around, it's actually no, 169 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.519 there's a huge pattern there. And so I think somewhere 170 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:43.360 in the Japanese adoption of Western philosophy, uh, you know, 171 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.159 their alliance into you. 172 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.440 Know, like the like the G seven, you know. 173 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.320 A Western American occupation, and right there they're little ruled 174 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.519 by a dragon emperor. And so there are I think 175 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.960 affinities in that nation that maybe align themselves with this 176 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.559 sort of a cult power structure. You know. I tend 177 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.399 to refer to them as like the cosmopolity. They're they're 178 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.759 almost like this old form of like bourgeois aristocracy that 179 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.320 like it's like private old money you never heard of, right, 180 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.080 and it's you know parts of all these like old 181 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:15.720 bourbon habsburg. 182 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:17.279 You know, you can talk about like. 183 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.720 Black mobility, stuff like you can make yourself crazy picking 184 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.879 us stuff apart, but you can't just abandon it. 185 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.120 And there are these hidden structures, and I think. 186 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.559 Japan is almost like the spotlight that allows us to then, 187 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.799 you know, go behind the dark side of the moon 188 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.399 and see like, oh there's something else here. 189 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:38.600 Yeah, I totally agree with you, Mark. 190 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.480 It's you know, I have my foot in anime twitter, 191 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.720 perhaps significantly more than Nick does, So I see a 192 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.000 lot of the sort of. 193 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:49.919 As I'm sure you do, and I've seen on your 194 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:50.559 own threads. 195 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.600 A lot of people will sort of as the kids 196 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.799 call it, cope with this idea that there is a 197 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:02.320 sort of fundamental occult name mature of animation and video 198 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:07.720 and video games. But there definitely is. You can trace it. 199 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.360 Even in Owen Davies's book on the history of Grimore Publishing, 200 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.159 he even mentions that there were grimoar is brought by 201 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.879 the Dutch in the sixteen eighties. So yeah, there are 202 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.320 clear and there are Japanese translations of the Keys of Solomon, 203 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.840 and so they have a clear idea that this was happening. 204 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.320 And you can watch even the nineteen eighty one movie 205 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:30.639 samurai reincarnation. 206 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.399 It's all about this. It's about a. 207 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.159 Christian samurai who gets murdered by the showgunate. He makes 208 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.320 a deal with the devil, reincarnates seven of his generals, 209 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.399 and then he must be killed by a magical swordsman. 210 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.360 So there clearly is also an association with Christianity with 211 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.720 occultism in Japan. And I think that you agree with this, 212 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.519 but you can say Mark if you don't agree. But 213 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.000 I think that there is something to that where they 214 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:01.759 sort of think it's a very powerful or maybe a 215 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.440 foreign sort of occult system that is in Christianity. 216 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:13.240 Yeah, absolutely, and right, And even you know James Clevel's Shogun, right, 217 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.519 he even talks about all these missionaries, and for a 218 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.120 long time the shogun that was a little you know, insular, 219 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.200 and they were you know, keeping Jesuits at bay and 220 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:23.600 all these like Franciscans. 221 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:25.559 And eventually right that that breaks. 222 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.840 But you know, I tend to it was something I 223 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.879 noticed as a kid, and now that with social media 224 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.360 it's just so amplified that I use it almost as 225 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:38.960 like a scrying marror to write do almost psychoanalysis on myself. 226 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.200 Right, or to do some sort of depth psychology. 227 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.240 Or you know, whatever it is, but they are I 228 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.840 think you almost enter in like these kind of hypnogogic 229 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.399 free associative states, right, and so then from that you 230 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.919 can get these really interesting perspectives. They're highly generative. And 231 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:55.480 then that's kind of why I write. 232 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:56.159 A lot of my threads. 233 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:01.360 So one thing I wanted to mention was that something 234 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.279 Nick brought up about the sort of fifties or you 235 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.320 brought it up, Mark, but Nick commented on it. 236 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.039 It was all the fifties and sixties and the sort 237 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:08.720 of post. 238 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:12.840 War infusion of anime with the sort of cubalistic and 239 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:17.440 Masonic colors. There is a very famous Osama Osamu Tezuka 240 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.879 manga about the life of the Buddha, but it's he 241 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.200 also wrote a sort of a compendium or a companion. 242 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.399 It's not really interrelated, but it's interrelated in a broadway 243 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:30.759 about the Phoenix. 244 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.440 And so yeah, yeah, I'm sure you know. 245 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.279 What I'm talking about, right, Yeah, it's trippy. 246 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:39.320 So he did Metropolis too. 247 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.600 Right, Yes, So he's like a great manga master. He 248 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.840 had worked at Disney for like I don't know, two 249 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.399 years or so, but he clearly brought something back with 250 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.960 him in this understanding. Like you can even look at 251 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.679 like Astro Boy in the color like red, white and gold, 252 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.279 and it's just it's it's it's there's something in it 253 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.159 that he's carrying back and it's But it's interesting because 254 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:06.639 when you look at him treat Buddhist metaphysics or Eustasian metaphysics, 255 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.039 it is different. You can see that there's a slight 256 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:13.759 distinction between the between the systems, or at least his 257 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.000 thinking on it, whereas the later, like the late the 258 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:21.200 late eighties and the early nineties anime, you can see 259 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.879 that they're blending these ideas in like Card. 260 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.480 Captor Sucker is a really good example. 261 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.519 Even Sailor Moon's a really good example where they're clearly 262 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:32.960 adding like a little bit of Shinto on meoto Buddhism 263 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:38.240 with kabbala, with ritual magic seals and pentagrams, and as 264 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:42.919 you've noted, they often use very real invocation sigils in 265 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.000 a lot in a wide range of anime. 266 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:45.799 Yeah. 267 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.320 Well, yeah, that was the weirdest thing because before you know, 268 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.200 I would see this as a kid and I think, oh, 269 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.720 maybe that's like an astrological sign or I didn't know 270 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.679 what it was, and then finally years later I could 271 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.200 do enough research and going these are actual magic sigils, 272 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.240 like somebody has done their homework. It's not like, oh, 273 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.159 you know, I'm would drawing a scribble or it's a 274 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.840 cheap replica, like I generally believe a lot of the 275 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.879 guys at the higher end of Japanese culture do all 276 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.360 this stuff, even though like hell Ninja Guidan, right, I mean, what. 277 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.039 Are they fighting Ishtar and he's he's a dragon. I mean, 278 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.000 like all of these games are just a trip. 279 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:27.080 So and so, you know, talking about Metropolis, that's going 280 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.360 back to what's his name, Fritz Lang or you know 281 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.279 the Silent movie with the you know, talks about the 282 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:37.399 Tower of Babbel and the and the mechanical Golum. That's 283 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.720 almost kind of my operative thesis is that something in 284 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:45.039 the human imagination drives us into civilization. We build these 285 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:49.480 power structures, and from our activities we begin to draw 286 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.639 potencies from some hidden place and like this is a 287 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:58.159 karma that like humanity has to somehow work through, and 288 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.440 and by studying this it could almost become an antidote 289 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.200 that we learn about ourselves and maybe try to speak 290 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.759 to it without becoming just delirious or you know, because 291 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:08.320 you make yourself paranoid and crazy? 292 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:10.559 Well what does that mean? Does that mean? 293 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:11.480 Uh? 294 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.159 And so I, you know, I try to at least 295 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.960 create some of these threads that are more systematized and 296 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.679 break it down rather than just you know, I mentioned 297 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.159 that Charlie Damien where you just like you've gun bonkers 298 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.440 and everyone you're just noticing incessantly, and so that that's 299 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.080 kind of what's happening, is we become cartoons by going, 300 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.360 well did you see that thing that happened today? Right, 301 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:33.919 It's it's like under the Silver Lake. You know, the 302 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.120 guy is like just pulling all these threads and it's 303 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.879 its form of masturbation, and he doesn't resolve anything, and 304 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.960 he's just like some dude like you know, squatting in 305 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.559 someone's apartment at the end of the movie and like 306 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.080 nothing else to figure it out. 307 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:52.000 So there definitely is a fine line between schizo poster 308 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:59.559 and like high IQ noticer. So but you know, I 309 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.919 think that's totally right, Mark. I think that, you know, 310 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.440 it's it's all pervading. So what do we do with 311 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.240 that that knowledge? Do we do we schizophos about it? 312 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:12.919 Or do we uh, you know, sort of look at 313 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.559 it as a hermoneutic look at us as part of 314 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.440 like a system in which at least to understand at 315 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.600 least a little bit at least, you know, climb up 316 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.279 a little higher. So I agree with you. I think 317 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:26.399 that's where what I sort of think about. I know, 318 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:29.720 Nick and I talk about this a lot off cameras 319 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:32.399 or a lot off show, is that like what do 320 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.159 you do? What do you like make of the the 321 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.720 occults everywhere? So you might as well, you might as 322 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:38.759 well obtain the dragon. 323 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:43.360 So yeah, yeah, I mean, I uh, that's why I 324 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:47.120 wrote that last thread on you know krscuro and uh, 325 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.519 you know, how to just dive into a lot of 326 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.159 this stuff. So everyone tends to be skipping on like 327 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.679 the surface of these little things and it's like a cat, 328 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.759 you know, chasing the laser beam, you know, and I 329 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:00.320 want to kind of figure out, like what is the 330 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:05.200 actual thing that's directing the laser beam. And so right, 331 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:08.920 that's why I like write about neon genesis of you know, 332 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.599 what is what are these larger power structures really doing? 333 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.599 Because they frankly don't care about. 334 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.599 You know, what we're doing day to day, right, we're 335 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:16.720 almost a liability. 336 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:18.880 So you know, whether it's the economics, they're going to 337 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.079 make things more expensive, they're going to start another war, right, 338 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.519 the biggest thing is like how does the society or 339 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:26.319 civilization go to the either the stars? 340 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:28.839 But what what can we do on the ground. 341 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.119 Okay, well, first of all, it's just understand that the 342 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:32.640 system is maybe not aligned with us. 343 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.400 So you know, probably maybe. 344 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:37.599 Be at least on the edge of the system, have 345 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.559 some form of financial independence that's much easier said than done. 346 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.200 Probably be tied in a land a little bit more. 347 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.240 Maybe just read and exercise a lot more, you know, 348 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:54.799 and try to find like minded and somewhat somewhat measured people, 349 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.680 you know, to act as a counterbalance against the hysteria 350 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.559 that you know, I continue see online. You know, there's 351 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:03.640 there's almost two worlds where we're in the one of 352 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.599 the the timeline it just keeps going and everyone's like 353 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:09.119 spun up, and then it's like, well, I have to 354 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.400 go to work and I have to you know, I 355 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.720 got to make do with the you know, the things 356 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:16.279 that I'm giving. You know, folks on your relationships, you know, 357 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.640 talk to the people you know that are in your life. 358 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.279 And and so that's kind. 359 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:20.720 Of the balance. 360 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.160 And you know, that's why I wrote on the Neon 361 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.599 Genesis was because you know, like Shinji for instance, like 362 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.759 a lot of that is about these people wrestling with 363 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.759 their their internal emotions and trying to connect with people 364 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.680 while there's this larger space opera that's you know, unfolding 365 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.400 around them. And so these things are very real simultaneously, 366 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.759 and you know, it's not an either or, it's a 367 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.200 it's a yes and yes and yes, and but then 368 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.720 to integrate it in a way that you know, we 369 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.839 can be somewhat a little creative and unhinged, but then 370 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.599 we're also busy, productive and present for the people in 371 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:56.160 our lives. 372 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.319 You definitely need to have a balance. 373 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.519 Sure, yeah, well I'm sure that's something right that you've 374 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:05.680 talked to, you know about with the Oto all these 375 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:09.200 personalities and everyone's like it's a power trip or backstabbing, 376 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:10.359 and oh. 377 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it. It's a silly it's 378 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:16.359 a silly game going on over there. 379 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.160 They even keep it short, just like just like the 380 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:21.960 way it is over there with like ego trips. It's 381 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.519 like this, I have one kid that like I'm kind 382 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:26.839 of still cool with that's like in it. And the 383 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.799 only reason he's been staying into this because he thinks 384 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:30.759 he can rise up and actually get like a position 385 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.359 in something. And he was like, he's like he's like, yo, 386 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.039 like eighty percent of these things already given away, like 387 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:41.200 people that have like these positions. He's like, they're all feminists. 388 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:43.559 He's like, I'm never gonna have a fucking voice here 389 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.160 at all. 390 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:47.000 Yeah. 391 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:48.960 Well, I mean, but that's the thing too, right, is 392 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:54.759 like masonry, magic, you know, sex, They're almost right, those 393 00:19:54.799 --> 00:20:00.599 occult forms are now mainstream in the form of corporations, right, literally, 394 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:07.920 corporations like modern business is emerges from the East India company, right, 395 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.960 and all these colonial powers that had charters from the 396 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.200 queen or you know, the king, whoever it was, and 397 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.319 so we're living in that world. These structures emerge that 398 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.200 are very hierarchical, and it all becomes wheeling and dealing 399 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.640 and how can I come out on top? And and 400 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.160 so now when you you know, you see these things 401 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.319