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Speaker 3: innerwebs once again JJ Vancier, host of Operation GCD and
Speaker 3: perhaps more notably not not the vice president anyhow, Folks
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Speaker 3: thanks for joining us here tonight, Folks of the Innerwebs.
Speaker 3: I will be your pilot and navigator for this Shenanigan
Speaker 3: infused journey into the mind of this particular garbage can
Speaker 3: dude and uh i' mkno going to a lot of you. Folks,
Speaker 3: got a real barn burger on deck here tonight before y'all.
Speaker 3: OJ Simpson did not do it. The Great OJ Debate
Speaker 3: and I'll be joined here tonight with Cosmic Peach. Julie
Speaker 3: is a host of Comic Peach podcasts. So thanks thanks
Speaker 3: again for joining us here tonight, folks of the interwebs
Speaker 3: to get a little GCD, and welcome Julia Cosmic Peach,
Speaker 3: host of the Cosmic Peach podcast and fellow occult reject
Speaker 3: Hi doing this se even Julia, thanks for joining me
Speaker 3: here to get GCD Little GCD tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, barn Burner, Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be a good one, especially because, as we were
Speaker 1: kind of saying before we got started, I'm actually hoping
Speaker 1: you can change my mind because as of right now,
Speaker 1: I do not think or I do think he did it.
Speaker 1: I do think he did it. So if you can
Speaker 1: change my mind, that would be great because I love
Speaker 1: a new kispuarc theory.
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. No, I appreciate you
Speaker 3: joining me here. We'll have a nice conversation here. I
Speaker 3: use debait to the term debate very sparingly, very loosely,
Speaker 3: because uh, I'm afraid we'd have a roundtable discussion on
Speaker 3: the points were of the the OJS. The murders of
Speaker 3: Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman that were attributed and
Speaker 3: colloquially known as the O. J. Simpson murders, despite he
Speaker 3: was acquitted for these charges by a court, you know,
Speaker 3: a jury of his peers, and I have some statements
Speaker 3: from those jurors here throughout the evening, and some of
Speaker 3: the forensics that I have problems with, and the the
Speaker 3: litany of characters involved in these in these circumstances, notably
Speaker 3: a lot of them surrounding one of my favorite characters
Speaker 3: here at Operation g c D, the legendary Hollywood producer
Speaker 3: Cocaine Bob Evans. So that'll be exciting. So no, it's
Speaker 3: you definitely use the term debates sparingly. So well before
Speaker 3: we get started, though, Julia, since this is your first
Speaker 3: time at Operation g c D, why don't you share
Speaker 3: with everybody, your folks of the interwebs about your podcast
Speaker 3: anything you want to plug. I'm obviously being a smart ass.
Speaker 3: They accused you of being a guest for the first
Speaker 3: time last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I was gonna say, this is the first
Speaker 1: time I've been on by myself, so I guess that's
Speaker 1: that is the first. But yeah, no, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I have Cosmic Peach Podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts,
Speaker 1: and on Patreon. If you do want to work with me,
Speaker 1: you can find my link tree to get to my
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Speaker 1: Don't send me a message on Instagram, go to the
Speaker 1: link tree, hit the email button, send me an email.
Speaker 1: The inbox on Instagram is just like loaded with garbage,
Speaker 1: and it would be impossible to sift through all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I love working with new people. I'm always down
Speaker 1: to join a conversation, but just email me. That's the
Speaker 1: best way to get a hold of me. And yeah,
Speaker 1: oh look at this, give me a break, No way,
Speaker 1: OJ innocent. See that's what I'm talking about. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to sell me JJ, You're gonna have to solitude.
Speaker 3: A lot of folks have a lot of opinions. So
Speaker 3: you know, as far as I'm concerned, the only OJ
Speaker 3: related debate that should be had if you consider all
Speaker 3: the facts of the circumstances, the only OJ debate left
Speaker 3: is the OJ debate of pulp or no pulp.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I would go with Poulp.
Speaker 3: I'm a no I'm a no polp guy. Myself but oh,
Speaker 3: I'm obviously being Jackassen sarcastic there, because you know, I
Speaker 3: think what we're what I'm saying when it's polarizing, And
Speaker 3: that's the only OJ debate that's really left. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: it was this. This was an event that was intended
Speaker 3: to be polarizing, right, kind of like kind of like
Speaker 3: the Manson family murders were polarized, and kind of like
Speaker 3: the Idaho for murders that occurred at the University of
Speaker 3: Idaho on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. That's also a
Speaker 3: very polarizing event. And you know, lo and behold these
Speaker 3: these circumstances and events, despite you know, being thirty years
Speaker 3: apart in each circumstance, Right, you got the Manson family
Speaker 3: murders in sixty nine, you got the Nicole Brown Simpson
Speaker 3: Golden murders in ninety four, and then you got the
Speaker 3: Idaho murders in twenty twenty two. Right, despite these large
Speaker 3: swaths of time and great distances between these events, they
Speaker 3: are strangely interrelated. And I've done a couple of comparisons
Speaker 3: on the Idaho four case to OJ here on Operation
Speaker 3: GCD Live, and I've discussed some more of the parapolitics
Speaker 3: surrounding that, with the connections from some of the characters
Speaker 3: in the Idaho case, like the lead Idaho State Police
Speaker 3: detective Vicky Gooch and her direct connections back to the
Speaker 3: Manson family murders. Are you familiar with that? True? No,
Speaker 3: so with that. So one thing I talk about here
Speaker 3: a lot is the Idaho murders here on my podcast.
Speaker 3: In fact, Nick and I have done probably twenty some
Speaker 3: hours on the subject, but I've done a lot more
Speaker 3: just the para politics that I see connected to it
Speaker 3: and and how that case has evolved. My thoughts have
Speaker 3: evolved from, you know, not necessarily a simple murder, but
Speaker 3: you know, something more to a large scale parapolitical boondoggle
Speaker 3: involving the likes of Jeffrey Epstein's friends Sam bankin freed
Speaker 3: and money laundering, drug trafficking, and basically what I like
Speaker 3: to call Idaho contract because I compared it to I
Speaker 3: ran Contra.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But the lead detective Idaho State Police, no one knew
Speaker 3: this lady was so integral. Right. So the murders occur
Speaker 3: in November twenty twenty two. The reports, not even the reports,
Speaker 3: but here public hearings because a lot of the case
Speaker 3: is sealed, right, So finally public hearings two years later,
Speaker 3: we learn this lady in Idaho State Police Detective Victoria
Speaker 3: Gooch was so integral and the interviewing of one of
Speaker 3: the surviving roommates in that case and the actual DNA
Speaker 3: investigation leading to the alleged suspect Brian Coburger. Right, Well,
Speaker 3: her father was a was the protege of Lieutenant Colonel
Speaker 3: Paul Tait, US Army Intelligen What yeah, fucking whose daughter
Speaker 3: Sharon Tate actor Sharonate was murdered a command murders, right,
Speaker 3: So this was this turned out to be a seminal
Speaker 3: event in Victoria Gooch's life. So her father and they
Speaker 3: had she the way she tells the story and an
Speaker 3: interview she did about her kind of your history, right,
Speaker 3: she says that her father and you know, they traveled
Speaker 3: to numerous army assignments, you know, with her father under
Speaker 3: the command of Pultate US Army Intelligence. So they go
Speaker 3: from Greece to Chicago to then she says, California where
Speaker 3: her father then in nineteen seventy begins a tops you know,
Speaker 3: some sort of top secret job where she doesn't see
Speaker 3: him for you know, long periods of time, you know,
Speaker 3: months at a time, for the next few years. Right, Well,
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy, his boss, Pultate was went under cover
Speaker 3: in the hippie movement to investigate his daughter's death. Sharing
Speaker 3: Tate grew his hair out long and went under cover.
Speaker 3: So they moved to San Francisco Bay at the same time.
Speaker 3: So I presume whatever Victoria Goutch's father was doing wasn't
Speaker 3: support of his boss Faultic. So yeah, And she describes
Speaker 3: how this gets her into law enforcement and how she
Speaker 3: was not allowed to go back to Berkeley College after
Speaker 3: she moved to Idaho. So a lot, a lot of
Speaker 3: strange stuff there in that connection. And unpacked some more
Speaker 3: of these connections later. But when we're talking to manson
Speaker 3: case in the OJ case, there are some direct connections there.
Speaker 3: So the first officer on scene on the OJ case
Speaker 3: was a fellow by the name of Richard Wally right,
Speaker 3: and he was he was a he was a junior
Speaker 3: officer on the scene at the Tate Plansky house. Work
Speaker 3: in the crime scene. What Yeah, No, Lead Detective Philip
Speaker 3: van Natter, Right, he's a major figure in this quote
Speaker 3: unquote framing of OJ. I would argue he he was
Speaker 3: a junior officer too at the Tate p Lansky House
Speaker 3: back in sixty nine.
Speaker 1: So okay, let me let me ask you something and
Speaker 1: like straight up, because this is something that me and
Speaker 1: my husband have talked about before. Because he's of the
Speaker 1: mind that the Tate Polanski murder was staged in some
Speaker 1: way and that perhaps Sharon isn't even dead.
Speaker 3: There's an argument to be made there. I know there's
Speaker 3: a fellow bout him of Miles Mathis has written a
Speaker 3: lengthy paper on a lot of these kind of sy
Speaker 3: op subjects, and well, I don't agree with his conclusions
Speaker 3: and his Manson family analysis because I've found some errors
Speaker 3: in his you know, his his argument. But he does
Speaker 3: bring up some excellent points to that regard of staging
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So if you want to have
Speaker 3: a conversation on that in the future, I'm certainly into it,
Speaker 3: because well.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if you think that could be going
Speaker 1: on with the OJ case, like do you really believe
Speaker 1: that Nicole and Ron are dead?
Speaker 3: There you go? Is it all part of the show,
Speaker 3: is what you're asking? I keep asking that same question
Speaker 3: around the Idaho four case. Right. So the Idaho four case,
Speaker 3: we've we never saw a Corners van. There was no funerals.
Speaker 3: Allegedly all four victims cremated. There's no there's no probate
Speaker 3: cases for these young adults who had property and debts
Speaker 3: and accounts and stuff like that for them to you know,
Speaker 3: transfer those accounts to you know, next of kin or
Speaker 3: whatever goes through probate. Right, No, no record of probate. Right,
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of questions surrounding these kind
Speaker 3: of things. And there's a distinct lack of blood at
Speaker 3: the scene, right of that of that crime scene. Now,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't argue that with the the Tate La Bianca house,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean that to correlate precisely like that either, right.
Speaker 3: So you know, just because you have one, uh the other,
Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're both not the same. But if you
Speaker 3: recall the Cilo Drive murder scene was of tape, the
Speaker 3: tape planskin. That was pretty gruesome scene.
Speaker 1: We mean, yeah, gruesome as fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those pictures were you know, they they made it
Speaker 3: public pretty quickly. We two and a half years later,
Speaker 3: we have no Idaho crime scene pictures.
Speaker 1: See, that's it bothers me, is that there should be
Speaker 1: just like I know that the the uh Nicole Nicole
Speaker 1: Brown case is weird, but we have plenty of photographs, right,
Speaker 1: we have lots of photographs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, just because that's what I'm saying. When
Speaker 3: we start navigating these waters, were these things staged? Just
Speaker 3: we can't be like, well, this one has blood and
Speaker 3: this one doesn't. There these two, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit more complicated than that even, right,
Speaker 3: mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So where do you want to do? You want to
Speaker 1: like do a little recap of the murders themselves and
Speaker 1: then go from there.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, that's what I was planning on doing. You
Speaker 3: read my mind that We actually started this conversation the
Speaker 3: other day because we were on the Occult Reject show
Speaker 3: together and I think I made a off handed, wise
Speaker 3: wise ass comment about Orenthal James Simpson, and you were
Speaker 3: you were commenting on how he's definitely did it, and
Speaker 3: you know, I was commenting on the Hurts guy, you know,
Speaker 3: the Hurts Rental car spokes person because obviously.
Speaker 1: Oh he kicked again. Sorry, sorry, yeah you.
Speaker 3: Were me, Okay, I cut out on my end too.
Speaker 3: So now I was just saying, like, so we were
Speaker 3: talking about it, and you were, you were of the
Speaker 3: mindset that he did it. And you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: long study the forensics in this matter of this case,
Speaker 3: and I have long had issues with it. But I've
Speaker 3: only been more recent years looking into the kind of
Speaker 3: the PROCESSI and angle, the processed church angle, if you will.
Speaker 3: So in tracking the journeys of one Maury Terry, the
Speaker 3: author of The Ultimate Evil, he took a break from
Speaker 3: his studies and research and investigation into the New York
Speaker 3: angles of that stuff and started and dove headfirst into
Speaker 3: the O. J. Simpson case. And I think that's largely
Speaker 3: due to old Cocaine, Bob Evans, right, and his associations
Speaker 3: when you're in around the OJ Simpson stuff, not the
Speaker 3: least of which one of OJ's attorneys, Robert Shapiro. So,
Speaker 3: but as far as this conversation started, yeah, we started there,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, and I'm happy. I'm always happy
Speaker 3: to discuss Oarenthal, James Simpson, Cocaine, Bob Evans, and these
Speaker 3: kind of colts. Culton con I think.
Speaker 1: I said, I said, every time you say OJ didn't
Speaker 1: do it, It makes my butthole clinch because I feel
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot to suggest that he did,
Speaker 1: and I, uh, well, obviously we'll get into that. But
Speaker 1: it's always been a case that's interested me. I recently
Speaker 1: just did a small series on major evince that occurred
Speaker 1: in the nineties, and of course this was one of them,
Speaker 1: and the the high speed chase, or more so a
Speaker 1: low speed chase. If we're being honest, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's iconic, and it was all over the news, and
Speaker 1: there's not really hey, what's up. There's not really been
Speaker 1: a lot of things that have happened like that since,
Speaker 1: you know, with the sensationalism of the case, it was
Speaker 1: the one of the last big ones in my opinions,
Speaker 1: So it almost makes me wonder if it wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: set up in some way to sensationalize something, to get
Speaker 1: everyone's attention diverted away from something else that may have
Speaker 1: been going on at the time. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's certainly possible, and I think another
Speaker 3: way to look at it maybe is also kind of
Speaker 3: along these the same manner of, you know, from a
Speaker 3: strategic level, not necessarily the you know, down on who
Speaker 3: stabbing who level. But you know, you're right, it was
Speaker 3: a very polarizing and chaotic event. You know, it's very
Speaker 3: you know, very memorable. I remember where I was during
Speaker 3: the Bronco Chase. I remember where I was when they
Speaker 3: read the verdicts, right, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I was a freshman in high school, but you know,
Speaker 3: I mean these were I mean even again, even at
Speaker 3: that age, everyone had their eyes, you know, tune to it.
Speaker 3: And I think more people watch the verdict than they
Speaker 3: watched the Apollo eleven moonlanding, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: That is so crazy to me. And that's also why
Speaker 1: I think it has to be by design in some way.
Speaker 1: But I was born in nineteen ninety four, so obviously
Speaker 1: I wasn't around to witness any of this. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was born in November of ninety four, so I've
Speaker 1: only ever seen it from like the back end. But
Speaker 1: what I will tell you is my mom was obsessed
Speaker 1: with it. You know, I can remember her talking about
Speaker 1: how huge it was. And now you know, da da
Speaker 1: da da da. But it's like it makes you wonder
Speaker 1: if it wasn't some kind of George Floydian. You know,
Speaker 1: if the glove don't fit, you must to quit and
Speaker 1: all of that. It's like very George Floydian kind of
Speaker 1: in that way.
Speaker 3: What if it's both?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's my thing is like, I can't I can't
Speaker 1: say either way. It could be both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if it's both? So what if there was
Speaker 3: an individual who you needed to take out in a
Speaker 3: drug trafficking network and then you wanted to also a
Speaker 3: utilitarian nature? Was these processing crimes kind of doing their
Speaker 3: whole hog effective things?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: When I say the whole hog effect, you know, they
Speaker 3: use the whole hog. You know, they're going to profit
Speaker 3: from every aspect of the circumstances of a situation. For example,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, one thing that I alleged is
Speaker 3: prominent within this kind of network is depicted in the
Speaker 3: film Inherent Vice, a story by Thomas Pinchone and a
Speaker 3: movie by Paul Thomas Anderson, where this in Los Angeles
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy There's this powerful drug trafficking network that
Speaker 3: involves mafia, the you know, cult people, right, It involves politicians,
Speaker 3: it involves law enforcement and involves actors right in lawyers. Right,
Speaker 3: So I would asserted that's what we're seeing here in
Speaker 3: around nineteen ninety four. It's the same network. It's just
Speaker 3: evolved right in that network in nineteen seventy, they're describing
Speaker 3: in that storyline how the cult is importing heroin, getting
Speaker 3: folks hooked on heroin, then profiting off of the rehab
Speaker 3: drug rehabs. Yeah, and off of the dentists. They have
Speaker 3: dentists as well, and there's dentists associated with Charles Manson.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I I watched Inherent Vice for the first time like
Speaker 1: two nights ago, So it's so crazy you brought that up.
Speaker 1: I just watched it, yeah, for the first time, so exactly.
Speaker 3: See, you know the golden thing, you know, the golden
Speaker 3: thing we're talking about that, Like.
Speaker 1: With the dentists, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And so I mean, yeah, that's why I always have
Speaker 1: to wonder because all this stuff is so multi layered.
Speaker 1: And it's like you said, actors, politicians, dentists, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you name it, pi's they're all in on it in
Speaker 1: some in some way.
Speaker 3: But would you believe and here advice they're telling the
Speaker 3: Manson story again. They're telling this processed tale, right, they.
Speaker 1: Are telling that this that similar kind of story because
Speaker 1: at first, the like I had to sit there and
Speaker 1: think to myself, like what did I just watch? Because
Speaker 1: it's kind of disjointed and you have to like really
Speaker 1: concentrate on what's going on in the movie to understand it.
Speaker 1: And I love Joaquin Phoenix, He's one of my faves.
Speaker 1: I love it pretty much everything he's in. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if anybody hasn't watched that yet, it's definitely worth it
Speaker 1: because it's exactly like JJ saying, it's like a little
Speaker 1: conspiracy buffet in there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, let me let me break down the
Speaker 3: Manson stuff and tie es back into the oj stuff here.
Speaker 3: So in the film, you see Owen Wilson's character plays
Speaker 3: this Laurel Canyon surf sax player that faked his death
Speaker 3: and is now working as a co and Telpro guy
Speaker 3: working for the cold work. He's playing like five different sides, right, So,
Speaker 3: but he fakes his death and help by help with
Speaker 3: the feds, right, and to go undercovering this stuff. If
Speaker 3: you think about it, that's a lot like Charles Manson, right,
Speaker 3: or Bobby Boslet right.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, Bobby Bosley for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them is lieutenant, right, So then you
Speaker 3: also have characters like Bigfoot Bjornson, right, Josh Brolins, that's
Speaker 3: he's a lead detective and robbery homicide right now. Again, again,
Speaker 3: this is nineteen seventy. Philip van Adder is still a
Speaker 3: rookie cop, you know, would have been on the force
Speaker 3: for like four years at that point. But I suspect
Speaker 3: that is an amalgamation of characters within robbery homicide, notably
Speaker 3: Philip van Adder, who again was at the Tate Lot
Speaker 3: Bianca scene apparently as well on that case. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I think he was at the Bianca scene, and I
Speaker 3: think the other guy, Richard Wally, he was the first
Speaker 3: unseen at the Nicole Nicole Brown Simpson murder, he was
Speaker 3: at the Tate Plansky has both rookie officers, though I'm
Speaker 3: both again on the oj case. But I would argue
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Bjornson is a play on Philip van Adder, this
Speaker 3: new Norwegian you know cop.
Speaker 1: Dude, right, so crazy? That is so crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and and then they mentioned they reference the
Speaker 3: Manson family numerous times throughout the film.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 3: You know. So, and then you have you know, uh,
Speaker 3: the the booby hatch up in Ohi as they describe it,
Speaker 3: you know, the looney bind right where the cults operating
Speaker 3: these rehab for the folks that get off of the
Speaker 3: of the drugs, right and again they just put them
Speaker 3: and they even explain it, they just it's it's a
Speaker 3: cyclical event. They just keep putting the folks back on
Speaker 3: on that cycle. Right. So, and the cult and this network,
Speaker 3: this processing network, as I describe it, they they they're
Speaker 3: the ones who are profiting off of every aspect of that.
Speaker 3: So if you if you in that regard, if you
Speaker 3: think about these Kadok events and how they're you know,
Speaker 3: trying to do some social engineering, I suspect, you know,
Speaker 3: you can still have a real murder. You can still
Speaker 3: have somebody within that network that you need to take
Speaker 3: out for X, Y or Z reason. And then you
Speaker 3: also one of their you know, seemingly signature moves of
Speaker 3: these kind of processing and murders is depending on somebody else.
Speaker 3: So you would probably have folks within the network within
Speaker 3: the police, right and also some things outside of it,
Speaker 3: both working collectively depended on OJ. Because there are I
Speaker 3: will agree, there are some very circumstantial evidence surrounding that
Speaker 3: matter of OJ. But you know when you put in
Speaker 3: the timeline don't work out. It's the same thing with
Speaker 3: the IDO four. The IDO authorities have a very loose,
Speaker 3: circumstantial case against that suspect Coburger, but you put it
Speaker 3: in this timeline and apply other you know, scrutiny to
Speaker 3: the facts that don't work out. But you know, if
Speaker 3: you have those circumstances, you need to take somebody out,
Speaker 3: you frame somebody, but then you're still going to profit
Speaker 3: off it. Right, So you know, what what did we
Speaker 3: in that regard? What did we see in nineteen ninety four?
Speaker 3: It was the kind of the birth of this court
Speaker 3: TV business, right with the OJ case.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, wasn't it one of the first? Well they
Speaker 1: televised Ted Bundy's trial, but it's got to be one
Speaker 1: of the first ones.
Speaker 3: Four seven. I think this is the first one they
Speaker 3: did from starting to finish.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I knew it was the first to be something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we and on that. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 3: that up because that's a big part of what I
Speaker 3: evaluate this case. The people of the State of California
Speaker 3: versus Oarenthal James Simpson, so the murders occurred on June twelfth,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four, right, and then the trial begins in
Speaker 3: January of Janey twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five through October
Speaker 3: third of nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So during that time we had basically Walda wall covers
Speaker 3: from June of ninety four June thirteenth of ninety four,
Speaker 3: when OJ turned himself in without a warrant, subjected himself
Speaker 3: to blood samples and DNA samples without a warrant, right,
Speaker 3: volunteered these things. Then got some important to note the
Speaker 3: he did that. He flew back from Chicago and did
Speaker 3: that on the thirteenth when they called him there. So
Speaker 3: because he flew he flew red eye over Chicago, because
Speaker 3: he had a golf tournament with the Hurts rental car executives,
Speaker 3: because he was a big spokesperson, had been for been
Speaker 3: close to fifteen years by that point. Strangely enough, it
Speaker 3: seems the Menendez brother's father hired him and that in.
Speaker 1: That job, Dude, I was going to mention the Menendez
Speaker 1: brothers in connection with this case. Yeah, this should Should
Speaker 1: I do it now? Or should I? I'm gonna wait,
Speaker 1: Actually I'm going to wait and finish, finish this.
Speaker 3: We can. We can get into that here in a
Speaker 3: bit if you like. For sure, I'd like to hear
Speaker 3: what you got. Because the Menendez brother's father, before he
Speaker 3: was over there an rca music executive in the eighties.
Speaker 3: He was the vice president of Hurts Rental CARP dating
Speaker 3: back to the I think seventy seven, and when OJ
Speaker 3: Weblee was hired in seventy eight is their national spokesperson.
Speaker 3: So I had I have no documents or receipts of
Speaker 3: these matters, but I presume the vice president of North
Speaker 3: America Operations for Hurts Rental Carps had some role in
Speaker 3: hiring their national spokesperson for America, right, and they both
Speaker 3: live in Los Angeles, I would I don't know if
Speaker 3: the Menendez brothers have the Menendez have connections of Scientology,
Speaker 3: but I've long suspected that because Oj had just joined
Speaker 3: Scientology right around that time I think.
Speaker 1: Seven second in Scientology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he it's his contract with Hertz. Right after
Speaker 3: he does sign he gets that. I think he gets
Speaker 3: that Capricorn one movie, and I believe he gets this
Speaker 3: Hurts contract right for that and he had just joined Scientology.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's you know, you know, correlation versus causation.
Speaker 3: But it certainly seems like there's more to it with
Speaker 3: a menandoes folks, especially their murders. Go on, what was
Speaker 3: what ninety three?
Speaker 1: Uh, the Menindoz brothers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when was that murder? I think that eighty nine?
Speaker 3: Eighty nine?
Speaker 1: Okay, oh, you already pulled it up. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I think that was an eighties thing, but
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They were apprehended in nineteen ninety. Oh, well, so
Speaker 3: that's interesting. So Charles Manson's friend, Ira Reiner was the
Speaker 3: district attorney for Los Angeles still at that time, in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety, so he would have been prosecuting that case.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Everything is so fucking connected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, And we'll get into some more of
Speaker 3: those characters. Ryner's an interesting character, and he was the
Speaker 3: district attorney from eighty four to ninety two, and relative
Speaker 3: to Bob Cocaine Evans, he was the district attorney for
Speaker 3: the Cotton Club murders, where Bob was an unindicted co
Speaker 3: conspirator along with the Meddie and Cartel's number one dude
Speaker 3: in America's wife Karen Greenberger. She was the indicted co
Speaker 3: conspirator of Bob and the murder of Roy Raiding. So
Speaker 3: I'm cocaine Bob. That is so, you know, we can
Speaker 3: definitely talk more about the Menindez, but it is interesting
Speaker 3: what's popping off at the very same time as the
Speaker 3: OJ case. I believe the trials start on the same day,
Speaker 3: and that's the case of Heidi Flices from Height who
Speaker 3: you're not Are you familiar with Heidie Flies?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: What, madam? Oh? Yeah, this is uh. She dated a
Speaker 3: lot of A list stars like Charlie Sheen, Tom Seizeman.
Speaker 3: Really yeah. She was good friends with Nicole Brown Simpson.
Speaker 1: And she's dead.
Speaker 3: She's not dead, but her she got busted for running
Speaker 3: a prostitution ring in her account.
Speaker 1: My god, shut up. And she was friends with the
Speaker 1: coal Did I lose yet? JJ?
Speaker 3: They cut out?
Speaker 1: You cut out a little bit, was she? So you're
Speaker 1: saying she was friends with Nicole?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh they were tight. They were real tight. So
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say Nicole was a recruiter in that network,
Speaker 3: but she certainly has the hallmarks of it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's gonna make even more sense when
Speaker 1: I say what I gotta say about Nicole.
Speaker 3: So I'm just just double check here, go ahead, I'm
Speaker 3: double checking the date of her trial. What were you
Speaker 3: gonna say about Nicole.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to jump right into
Speaker 1: it yet on Nicole, but there's some stuff about her
Speaker 1: that I mean, I don't have any like solid evidence
Speaker 1: of this other than you know, what I can see
Speaker 1: in pictures, but it would appear, based on her skeleton
Speaker 1: that Nicole was born a biological male.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the BPHL line. Yeah, it's going to
Speaker 3: be pretty jolly, and she is of a very jolly
Speaker 3: ethnicity if you want to call it that deepails well
Speaker 3: Germanic roots.
Speaker 1: There's some stuff about like the kids not looking like her,
Speaker 1: her knee caps and her elbows.
Speaker 3: Deeper on your trans investigation that I have, ma'am, I'm
Speaker 3: into it. Don't get me wrong, because I'm glad you
Speaker 3: bring this point up because it's interesting. You have to
Speaker 3: consider how these two met to understand who Arenthal James
Speaker 3: Simpson was in the events leading up to June twelfth,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four, the night of the murder that occurred,
Speaker 3: according to the state's timeline, approximately ten thirty two to
Speaker 3: ten forty two. Again you start adding the scrutiny. He
Speaker 3: started putting these things under a microscope that the state presents,
Speaker 3: and that makes no sense. It doesn't It does not
Speaker 3: comport whatsoever. In fact, they would later discredit their own
Speaker 3: some of their own eye witnesses and near witnesses from
Speaker 3: the matter they were supposed to testify for the state
Speaker 3: because they kept changing the timeline. And that's one thing
Speaker 3: we see in the Idaho four cases. After the probable
Speaker 3: cause is written, they keep molding a different timeline and
Speaker 3: changing facts, and that happened in the Orenthal James Simpson case.
Speaker 3: And in doing so, they ostracized the number of fairly
Speaker 3: wealthy you know, folks there in the Brentwood area of
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. These are wealthy homes. This is a high
Speaker 3: class neighborhood next to Beverly Hills, in between Beverly Hills
Speaker 3: and Malibu. And you know this is they pissed some
Speaker 3: folks off, you know what I mean. So folks who
Speaker 3: thought oj was guilty, they thought he did it. They
Speaker 3: were going to testify for the prosecution. But suddenly their
Speaker 3: details in their eyewitness from near witness reports don't comport
Speaker 3: with the timeline events that was getting shifted in changed
Speaker 3: over time. Right, so a lot of that happened.
Speaker 1: Well, what time do you think it went down?
Speaker 3: I think it went down around ten twenty. That's the first.
Speaker 3: That's the first inclination of activity going on over there.
Speaker 3: And I suspect the law enforcement is a lot more
Speaker 3: than they ever released in these matters, because you know,
Speaker 3: there was a for example, Ron Goldman's pager continued to
Speaker 3: go off for hours following his his his murder, his
Speaker 3: parent murder. Right, I mean there's a we have photographs
Speaker 3: of these bodies at least right again, Idaho won't have
Speaker 3: any photographs. But gold Goldman seems to have been again
Speaker 3: delivering cocaine through this network of Italian restaurants owned by
Speaker 3: the mafia. And one of the owners in this network
Speaker 3: is actor James Kahn, who has no one to credit
Speaker 3: but Bob Cocaine evans for his career in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: So and.
Speaker 1: So, okay, that's let me just so we can clarify,
Speaker 1: because it never made sense to me either. Why he
Speaker 1: would they say that the only reason why he was
Speaker 1: murdered is because he had to bring a pair of
Speaker 1: shades over to Nicole because they were her favorite pair
Speaker 1: of sunglasses or whatever.
Speaker 3: So like that, never you're on target, you're on target.
Speaker 1: I mean that never made sense to me.
Speaker 3: No, And again, so that's what I'm talking about. How
Speaker 3: do all these folks know each other? Right, So it
Speaker 3: seems to be cocaine seems to be the connected principle
Speaker 3: and a lot of these things. And it's not surprised
Speaker 3: that old Cocaine Bob's nearby.
Speaker 1: Right, so right, so yeah, so like the whole I wash,
Speaker 1: he was like collateral damage, Like, oh, I was just
Speaker 1: on my way to drop off Nicole shades and I
Speaker 1: got fucking dusted in the process. Like that never made
Speaker 1: sense to me, Like why he would be there?
Speaker 3: Well it doesn't, so I think that was a setup.
Speaker 3: So I think he was sent over there. He will
Speaker 3: He did get sent over there with a pair of eyeglasses.
Speaker 3: So it's it's the story sold as Nicole Brown Simpson
Speaker 3: and her family, her mother and children and whatnot. They
Speaker 3: all went to dinner together right at this fancy Italian restaurant, Masaluna, right,
Speaker 3: and you know it's rumored she was regular there. But
Speaker 3: what they don't describe as the further details of those circumstances.
Speaker 3: But Ron Goldman was a waiter there, and you know, again,
Speaker 3: I would argue he's a lot more than a waiter there,
Speaker 3: because that restaurant got popped for cocaine trafficking, and that
Speaker 3: whole network of restaurants did shr they all closed down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And Ron Goldman had two friends, one of which was
Speaker 3: a waiter at Mazzaluna, who got marked after he did.
Speaker 3: One of them got marked a year beforehand, that one
Speaker 3: six months after him. They all got real stavvy, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Oh my god, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying that the law enforcement had a
Speaker 3: great idea of the timeline based upon that pager and
Speaker 3: the last time he recognized the page right because it
Speaker 3: was blowing up by numerous reports, it was blowing up,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: For all the because he was probably supposed to make
Speaker 1: a couple drops that night and he never.
Speaker 3: Showed up exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Marzid's only shit.
Speaker 3: They've known the timeline, they've so this whole thing was
Speaker 3: there was no response to these murders. And I'll get
Speaker 3: back to that in a minute as I build up
Speaker 3: how these folks know each other, right, so they know
Speaker 3: each other through Mezzaluna, but what's not described as Nicole's
Speaker 3: roommates from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety four, whom
Speaker 3: she would travel with to Aspen, Colorado frequently because it
Speaker 3: seems like they were dealing some yao together. He was
Speaker 3: the manager of that of those restaurant group, right, so
Speaker 3: it was like three or four I think it was
Speaker 3: three or four restaurants and against owned by two Made
Speaker 3: mobsters and one of one of the minority owners, and
Speaker 3: one of them is James Kahn, Cocaine Bob's front. That
Speaker 3: comes into play later because these all these folks get
Speaker 3: busted as well for cocaine trafficking when those restaurants go down,
Speaker 3: and James conn puts up his house for bail for
Speaker 3: one of these guys, right, WHOA yeah, he almost faces
Speaker 3: charges himself at one point because he's harboring a known fugitive,
Speaker 3: one of the the other Made mobster, Joey Apalito, apparently
Speaker 3: when he skips bond at a sentencing hearing in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: He's hiding out at consouse a couple weeks later, and
Speaker 3: they don't ever charge con for that. Though these are
Speaker 3: all events proceeding preceding what's going on. So what I'm
Speaker 3: saying is that whole network of you know, that mafia
Speaker 3: owned network group was interesting. So Nicole's roommate, this Keith Fella,
Speaker 3: he was the manager of those restaurants, and they had
Speaker 3: one restaurant and asked and I think the one was
Speaker 3: in Malibu, one was in Brentwood, I believe there, and
Speaker 3: maybe two in Malibu nonetheless, and I think a pizza
Speaker 3: place in Beverly Hills. So she's traveling with to ask him.
Speaker 3: This guy, he's the manager of those restaurants. He's dating
Speaker 3: one of Heidi Flic's hookers. The entire time from nine
Speaker 3: to two ninety four. The reason it seems like oh
Speaker 3: Jay's warenthal. James Simpson decided that he needed and to
Speaker 3: go nuts on his ex wife and which would result
Speaker 3: in numerous domestic violence phone calls, was directly over her
Speaker 3: activities relative to this cocaine business and Heidi flies because
Speaker 3: apparently she was having cocaine and hookers at her home
Speaker 3: and he did not like that in front of his children.
Speaker 1: That's what it was about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the October nineteen ninety three, so she's murdered
Speaker 3: June twelfth, nineteen ninety four. The October nineteen ninety three
Speaker 3: call that the prosecution used against him. You can hear
Speaker 3: him in the back. You can hear him in the
Speaker 3: background screaming things about tabloids, cocaine, and hookers. Right, so
Speaker 3: he's he's talking about Heidi Flies her hookers. Again, this
Speaker 3: Keith dude was you know, dating one of these hookers
Speaker 3: for a couple of years there she was friends with
Speaker 3: Heidi Flies. Whether or not she was a recruiter in
Speaker 3: that network, I would argue, that's certainly possible and probably right,
Speaker 3: and then so very familiar with that whole trade at least, right,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, and again she's the dude from Asluna,
Speaker 3: So she has more than a passing relationship with Ron Goldman. Right,
Speaker 3: she may not know I'm that well, but his boss
Speaker 3: lived with her for two years, two plus years. But
Speaker 3: it seems like after that October ninety three call, when
Speaker 3: he's screaming on you know, in the background, she's calling
Speaker 3: now on one, he thought she was talking to her
Speaker 3: mother what she would frequently do when they would argue. Apparently,
Speaker 3: so he's screaming those details so that her mother can
Speaker 3: understand what kind of horror her daughter was being.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: She also did not press charges when the cops responded
Speaker 3: to that call, but it was all it was all
Speaker 3: used against him in the trial.
Speaker 1: So you think because I actually played a snippet from
Speaker 1: that phone call when I covered this in my ninety series,
Speaker 1: and I mean, she definitely sells the whole I'm a
Speaker 1: battered woman thing, and like, didn't she have like journals
Speaker 1: or something where she was like, if something happens to me,
Speaker 1: it's him.
Speaker 3: Well, she did get hit by him. I believe that
Speaker 3: was the nineteen ninety incident or ninety one. That's what
Speaker 3: caused the separation. I believe, uh huh yeah. So you think, well,
Speaker 3: I would argue it's probably no different than the ninety
Speaker 3: three incident. I don't think we have the same amount
Speaker 3: of information on that one. But part of the ninety
Speaker 3: three incident allegedly dates back to ninety one. So apparently
Speaker 3: she was in debt to Larry Flint for a large
Speaker 3: volume of cash due to some cocaine dealings back in
Speaker 3: ninety one. So this is that tabloid stuff he was
Speaker 3: screaming about. So apparently he got involved with trying to
Speaker 3: pof that debt by doing a pornography for Larry Flint.
Speaker 3: She was in debt to Larry Flint. Back to Cocaine
Speaker 3: Bob and friends, the two assassins that are imprisoned for
Speaker 3: the more of Roy Raidin by order of apparently Cocaine
Speaker 3: Bob and Karen Greenberger, the Median cartel's number one dude
Speaker 3: to America's wife. Well that was you know, those two
Speaker 3: dudes worked for Larry Flint. Bill Menzer was a bodyguard
Speaker 3: for Larry Flint. So here we have her apparently in
Speaker 3: that to that and causing outrage by him. Again, I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not advocating this behavior. What I'm saying is
Speaker 3: I don't think it's been properly described. He's he's just
Speaker 3: some lunatic. He beats his wife. There was a very
Speaker 3: tumultuous relationship and appears and largely seems to have been
Speaker 3: an issue of cocaine.
Speaker 1: So the the main issue is his wife got herself
Speaker 1: involved in some uh crackheadedness basically actingly.
Speaker 3: Apparently repeatedly, yeah, apparently.
Speaker 1: Right, messing with some prostitution, nasty stuff and some all right,
Speaker 1: so all right, you think she got violent with her
Speaker 1: because she was, she was convoluting with all this this uh,
Speaker 1: these side deals.
Speaker 3: According to his own I think was Cochrane's book, the
Speaker 3: ninety three incident was solely around the issues of this cocaine.
Speaker 3: You hear about him screaming about in the background, Okay,
Speaker 3: cocaine and hookers again this hookers are Heidi Flice's people
Speaker 3: again her root. So in ninety four, right after that incident,
Speaker 3: she moves out of that home into the how she
Speaker 3: gets murdered in on Bundy Drive right. So also so
Speaker 3: you have her this Keith Fellow, who's the manager of
Speaker 3: these these these restaurants, these mob restaurants with the coke
Speaker 3: traffing is going on, and Goldman works at one of them.
Speaker 3: You have Kat o'kalin. They're all living with OJ's kids,
Speaker 3: two kids at this house on you know, another part
Speaker 3: of Brentwood. So he apparently OJ's like after that October
Speaker 3: and So was like, no more, this is done. You're
Speaker 3: moving this Keith dude's moving out, you know, no more
Speaker 3: Heidi flies over here. You know, these were these were
Speaker 3: lugedly the terms that he described. She then moves into
Speaker 3: that Bundy residence. I believe he's paying for it, and
Speaker 3: then Kato o'kalen, who's living there as well, is her
Speaker 3: friend not his right, he moves him into his guest house.
Speaker 3: That's o Kat o'kalen ends up with the rock and
Speaker 3: him guest house of Orenthal James Simpson because he thought
Speaker 3: he was a negative influence on his ex wife and
Speaker 3: kids and wanted him under closer scrutiny.
Speaker 1: Right, So because he was a crackhead, you think, or I.
Speaker 3: Think they all were. I mean, I don't think OJ
Speaker 3: is guilty of not doing coke, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I just use just trying to bring some reason to
Speaker 3: these matters, if you will, and for his kids, for
Speaker 3: his kids, and again, this relationship that was sold by
Speaker 3: the prosecution, I don't think stands up to scrutiny. So,
Speaker 3: three weeks prior to the murder, Nicole Brown Simpson hosts
Speaker 3: a pizza party for their kids at the Rockingham estate
Speaker 3: with OJ with Cato.
Speaker 1: So, oh, my dog's sparking. Sorry, So what do you
Speaker 1: think about Like the violent nature of the deaths though,
Speaker 1: because that's part of the reason why I think he
Speaker 1: did do it.
Speaker 3: I think that speaks to the violent nature of the
Speaker 3: Manson family. Crimes and the violent nature of the Idaho
Speaker 3: for murders. I think it goes with the territory of this,
Speaker 3: as Manson called it, making it look witchy.
Speaker 1: Okay, But so the only thing I would argue is
Speaker 1: to it's two things. I don't feel like Ron Goldman
Speaker 1: was killed as violently as Nicole, and so you feel
Speaker 1: like he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll go over the autopsies. I got. I got
Speaker 3: that all so that that.
Speaker 1: Might clear things up for me, because from what I
Speaker 1: can remember, in my opinion, it looked like somebody took
Speaker 1: their sweet ass time slicing and dicing and practically decapitating
Speaker 1: Nicole and did like the job on Ron.
Speaker 3: Now you're mostly accurate. They did catch her by the
Speaker 3: prize from behind, I believe, and nearly did decapitated. You're right,
Speaker 3: that's an accurate statement.
Speaker 1: So it to me, it always looked like to practically
Speaker 1: decapitate somebody but not spend that much time with Ron
Speaker 1: would suggest to me that he wasn't the primary target,
Speaker 1: but he needed to die because he was there.
Speaker 3: Well, I see what you're saying, and that's certainly possible.
Speaker 3: But I would argue that the bulk of the attention
Speaker 3: and the murder was concentrated on Ron. I would argue
Speaker 3: there's at least three individuals possibly for he committed this crime,
Speaker 3: one of which was responsible for murder of Nicole, one
Speaker 3: of which was a lookout, and the other two fought
Speaker 3: Ron Goldman. Because whoever fought Ron Goldman man, he put
Speaker 3: up a fight. We can go over some of those
Speaker 3: autopsies and we'll look at OJ's body too, and his pictures,
Speaker 3: and you know, you can tell the one cut that
Speaker 3: he has on his left hand middle finger is from
Speaker 3: the glass that he broke. His story was when they
Speaker 3: called him in Chicago that morning of the thirteenth, he
Speaker 3: was upset, dropped a glass, and when he's picking up
Speaker 3: the glass, you know, the shattered glass from his hotel
Speaker 3: room floor, he cut his finger. It seems plausible, because
Speaker 3: what doesn't seem plausible is you look at the pictures
Speaker 3: of Ron Goldman and say that he got into a
Speaker 3: fight and got stabbed like nineteen times, and some stuff slashed,
Speaker 3: and and OJ got a you know, OJ got a
Speaker 3: little cut. You know, because Goldman's got bruises from head
Speaker 3: to toe, He's got defensive wounds. Oliver's hands. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's alleged that he was an expert in martial arts.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true, but what I can
Speaker 3: tell you is the dude put up a help a fight,
Speaker 3: and whoever he was fighting, they're gonna have some marks.
Speaker 1: So what about the what about Nicoleby and like practically decapitated?
Speaker 1: Like don't you feel like whoever did her had some
Speaker 1: passion behind that? That it was personal? Like like that
Speaker 1: there was some passion?
Speaker 3: Do you think it was personally? And when I'll get
Speaker 3: into some of the motives on that too. From where
Speaker 3: I'm at with that stuff, relativity is kind of process
Speaker 3: seeing crime, so one of the aspects, and you know
Speaker 3: that it's not I don't think considered oftentimes with you know,
Speaker 3: someone like Bob Cocaine Evans, who's this kind of process
Speaker 3: figure of a major regard there in Los Angeles, according
Speaker 3: to you know, investigations of Maretarian whatnot, did a great
Speaker 3: job and not the only one, but he obviously did
Speaker 3: a great job on that with Bob's actions Cocaine Bob
Speaker 3: and the Cotton Club murders there. But you look at
Speaker 3: their theology within the process and they had their you know,
Speaker 3: they're Nazis, so you know, you look at somebody like
Speaker 3: Mark Furman, who's a very integral character in all of
Speaker 3: these things, and he's a Nazi. I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: without evidence. There's a forty two page internal Affairs investigation
Speaker 3: that was being written at the time of the trial,
Speaker 3: that was published in October during the trial and or
Speaker 3: I think shortly before the trial ended, maybe, And not
Speaker 3: only was he a Nazi, perjured himself, you know, was
Speaker 3: charged with a felony as a result of which durned
Speaker 3: the trial, but the prosecution knew this dude was under
Speaker 3: investigation for all sorts of shady shit, and that that
Speaker 3: that investigation yielded eight of again forty some pages of
Speaker 3: evidence supporting the activities, the Nazi activities of Mark Furman,
Speaker 3: not the least of which, according to Johnny Cochrane's book,
Speaker 3: Furman would wear Nazi rank underneath a lapel of his
Speaker 3: of his led the officer uniform. So in that regard,
Speaker 3: when you have part of these Turner Diary kind of things, right,
Speaker 3: you know, with this theology of this kind of white
Speaker 3: nationalist movement, you have that's one of the things they
Speaker 3: call for is to decapitate the the essentially the race traders. Right,
Speaker 3: So she's a blonde haired, fair you know, German who's
Speaker 3: had children with a black man. That doesn't sit well
Speaker 3: with the number of folks. In fact, the FBI released
Speaker 3: their their documents on orangal James Simpson after he died,
Speaker 3: and two things can be yielded from that relative to
Speaker 3: you know, this conversation we're having right now at the moment,
Speaker 3: and that is they were more deeply involved in the
Speaker 3: physical evidence than initially led on by the state in
Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties. And because they after someone dies, I
Speaker 3: guess they just you know, released whatever they got, as
Speaker 3: they claim at least, right. And then the other thing
Speaker 3: is that he was getting they were getting threats from
Speaker 3: white nationalists preceding the murders. Both Nicole and OJ were Hmmm.
Speaker 1: So that's where the decapitation comes in, because that to
Speaker 1: me has always been this selling point is like, if
Speaker 1: I were to have to murder someone, ah, unless I
Speaker 1: was incredibly angry at that person, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I could go to the links of like practically decapitating them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: For sure, So before we got in the Nicole OJ
Speaker 3: timeline and how they kind of came together and emphasized
Speaker 3: this these kind of hood rat activities that's surround the
Speaker 3: entire nature of their relationship if you asked me. And
Speaker 3: that is again their friend circles as well, right, their
Speaker 3: recreational activities, cocaine, you know this whole Mark Furman's the
Speaker 3: Nazi thing. So two months after the murders in October
Speaker 3: of ninety four, this dude wrote a book his name
Speaker 3: Steven Singular. I think he published it maybe during the
Speaker 3: trial or short.
Speaker 1: Of they're after I'm familiar with him.
Speaker 3: You know, Steven Singular. Okay, So he gets a phone
Speaker 3: call from the prosecutor of a deputy prosecutor who tells
Speaker 3: him all these these intimate details of their investigation that
Speaker 3: they're like, Hey, this dude's planning evidence. Here's the evidence
Speaker 3: he planned talking about Furman. It's all part of this
Speaker 3: white nationalist movement, right, He's connected to these people in Idaho.
Speaker 3: So he was connected. He ends up retiring to Sandpoint,
Speaker 3: Idaho after he gets fired slash retire from LAPD in
Speaker 3: ninety five. In December of ninety five. However, this is
Speaker 3: August of ninety four, and this LA prosecutors deputy prosecutors
Speaker 3: call him and saying, look, the prosecutor's office has lost
Speaker 3: their shit, you know, and they got the author. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's ever named the prosecutor, but there was
Speaker 3: a couple of prosecutors of Republic deputies. You could probably
Speaker 3: assume it was one of them. You know, they're public
Speaker 3: publicly against Marshall Clark and gang and the prosecution.
Speaker 1: Right, And he said Idaho.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he says Mark Furman's connected to the white
Speaker 3: nationalist group out of Idaho, that this Stephen Singular dude
Speaker 3: wrote a book about. Right, So, this white nationalist group
Speaker 3: launched this national campaign of terror, if you will, right
Speaker 3: back in nineteen eighty three, I think it was. They
Speaker 3: end up robbing a bunch of banks. They murdered a
Speaker 3: radio host in Denver, Colorado. That's what Stevens Singular wrote
Speaker 3: His book about. This group was called The Order. Hollywood
Speaker 3: just made another movie about these people. So this deputy
Speaker 3: prosecutor is telling the dude who wrote a book about
Speaker 3: that burg murder at the hands of these Nazis from
Speaker 3: northern Idaho and how they all launched this plan. So
Speaker 3: he's saying that they launched a new plan for a
Speaker 3: ten year anniversary of the Berg murder. Right, this is
Speaker 3: the story that the singular guy gets, right, and he goes, well,
Speaker 3: what do you want me to do? I'm a journalist
Speaker 3: in Denver. He goes, you work for the prosecutors. Obvious says, yeah,
Speaker 3: they don't want any of this stuff here. They're going
Speaker 3: a different direction. And so he says, he goes, what
Speaker 3: do I do? And they said take it to the defense.
Speaker 3: So he actually did contact the defense and met with
Speaker 3: the defense. Again, this is early on in the investigation
Speaker 3: and the he writes he writes about in his book,
Speaker 3: but the details he he you know, conveys to the
Speaker 3: defense ended up playing out in court. And I'll get
Speaker 3: into some of that when we get into the forensics.
Speaker 3: But you know, he gets a call about these white
Speaker 3: nationalists launching another campaign of terror. Right, there's another number
Speaker 3: of events that are allegedly connected to this. But part
Speaker 3: of that campaign of terror was to kill a one
Speaker 3: at this national meeting in i at northern Idaho in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four near Sandpoint where Firman lifts today, has
Speaker 3: lift since ninety five. Right, So he's got deep connections
Speaker 3: to these folks. Right, So whether or not he seems
Speaker 3: like he played a very prominent role in that. But
Speaker 3: it seems like what you're describing was very personal, right,
Speaker 3: This is a very this was their intent was to
Speaker 3: make it look that way too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I get I guess that would make sense
Speaker 1: that they're trying to make it look a certain way
Speaker 1: as well, because it's like I said, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ron was sliced up like they they stabbed him multiple times.
Speaker 1: But to go to the links of what they did
Speaker 1: with Nicole, I feel like, if we're going to go
Speaker 1: with oj did not do it, they certainly did a
Speaker 1: good job making it look like a crime of passion,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: I think that's an accurate statement, and that is the
Speaker 3: professed nature of their goals as well. So here we
Speaker 3: have alan Berg was murdered in June eighteenth, nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: by a white supremacist group named the Order. Again, so
Speaker 3: this is this film that just got released here twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four from Big Hollywood picture that's based upon the murder.
Speaker 3: You know, this campaign of this, these domestic terror events
Speaker 3: by this white nationalist group launched out Hayden Lake Standpoint, Idaho. Again,
Speaker 3: Furman's connected these people back to this point. According to
Speaker 3: whatever the Prosecutor's office developed and then later kicked off
Speaker 3: at LA, the Internal Affairs investigation, right, was part of this.
Speaker 3: This was some of the same stuff. So this they
Speaker 3: didn't make I don't think they made that part public,
Speaker 3: the Idaho part, But according to Stephen Singler's book, it
Speaker 3: was that was a circumstances so.
Speaker 1: Well, in Stephen singular, how I was able to come
Speaker 1: across him is he's actually done a lot of good
Speaker 1: work on John Benet Ramsey as well and all of
Speaker 1: the Uh yeah, I mean he does a great job
Speaker 1: connecting all the big wigs and all the eyes wide
Speaker 1: shutters of Colorado with the Ramsey family and some some
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that happened with John Beney. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I definitely know this guy does great research. So I
Speaker 1: was surprised to hear you even bring him up in
Speaker 1: regards to this, because I had no idea he ever
Speaker 1: was involved or or wrote anything about it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he published this in ninety like I said,
Speaker 3: January of ninety.
Speaker 1: Five, Legacy of Deception.
Speaker 3: Wow, the trial had even started. Yet again, he met
Speaker 3: with folks in August ninety four over these matters because again,
Speaker 3: you know, they he got tapped off by you know,
Speaker 3: some legitimate sources. And again it apparently checked out. So
Speaker 3: is because he wrote this book Talk to Death, so
Speaker 3: that la prosecutor was like the people you wrote about
Speaker 3: in this book in eighty seven are responsible here for
Speaker 3: these activities here in ninety four, right, damn. And Furman's
Speaker 3: associated with it all. And again Furman retires up there afterwards, right,
Speaker 3: And that's where that's where he lives today, where he's
Speaker 3: been providing commentary for the last two and a half
Speaker 3: years on the Idaho for murders. Really, yes, ma'am, I
Speaker 3: can't make this shit up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's too much. That's that's too much.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit right, it's a little bit out there, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So actually I need to run to
Speaker 1: the restroom really quick. But I noticed in the comments
Speaker 1: section somebody said, do you think that Chloe Kardashian is
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson? And I just wanted to say, really quick
Speaker 1: for I runt of the restroom, that yes, I do
Speaker 1: think that Chloe is O. J. Simpsons.
Speaker 3: But absolutely well, I actually have a brief for us.
Speaker 3: While you do that, I have a.
Speaker 1: Perfect, perfect hang on just a second, I'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Sounds good. Were this is our intermission because I can't
Speaker 3: find the other one I had. But here's Oorenthal James Simpson.
Speaker 3: I'm confirming that he went clear scientology style. I believe
Speaker 3: his interviews from nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 4: At one point I felt I had reached the state
Speaker 4: of clear right is, which is in scientology, I guess,
Speaker 4: is the area where you kind of you're one with all,
Speaker 4: see y'all noel. At least that's the way I interpreted
Speaker 4: it as.
Speaker 3: Time state I thought I had or I had from
Speaker 3: time to time reached that state.
Speaker 4: Especially as an athlete, sometimes you just feel that you're
Speaker 4: total controlling your surroundings that can let me wheel everything
Speaker 4: around you.
Speaker 3: So you know, you don't have to take my word
Speaker 3: for it, folks of interwebs. Orenthal James Simpson, you know
Speaker 3: it was definitely a scientologist. So at the time of
Speaker 3: the murders, he had just finished starring in A Naked
Speaker 3: Gun I believe thirty three and a third. They just
Speaker 3: maybe had released it or had just completed filming let's
Speaker 3: see here. It was released March eighteenth of nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 3: and then again the murders occur on June twelfth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four. So this U. It's interesting because I always
Speaker 3: assert that scientologists stick together in these especially in these
Speaker 3: Hollywood productions, And you'll find Orenthal James Simpson here along
Speaker 3: with Priscilla Presley starring in the Naked Gun franchise there
Speaker 3: in Priscilla Presley obviously apparently a multi decade scientologist, to
Speaker 3: the point where Lisa Marie grew up in it and
Speaker 3: apparently died while still being a scientologist.
Speaker 1: I've always thought that, thank you. I always thought that
Speaker 1: he must have done it because of his weird scientology
Speaker 1: weirdness and the fact that he was in uh some
Speaker 1: other movie where they they like trained him how to
Speaker 1: use a switchblade, n eye or something like that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard these tales of the of the Navy stuff.
Speaker 3: I think that the Navy Seals movie he was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I put a
Speaker 3: lot of creams into that, but you know, you never know, right,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe he got that job to set him up
Speaker 3: for these murders. Right. See the amount of planning I'm
Speaker 3: saying probably went into this.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So so if you had to just like sum
Speaker 1: it up in the best way you could. Why do
Speaker 1: you what was the motive to get rid of Nicole?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's a good question. Let me let
Speaker 3: me finish building their backstory here and and we'll get
Speaker 3: to that. I think here, did you see this though?
Speaker 3: While you're While you're away?
Speaker 4: I played this clip At one point I felt I
Speaker 4: had reached the state of clear.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't ever want to go clear. That's what
Speaker 3: happens when you go clear.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I left my headphones on so I could
Speaker 1: hear whatever the clip. But I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: he's he's a weird guy, and it's easy to pin
Speaker 1: it on him because he makes himself look like shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just got to look at who these
Speaker 3: people associate with. And that's what I was kind of
Speaker 3: getting out with their backstory. Right, So this is, you know,
Speaker 3: the late eighties. They're doing fly stuff, cocaine stuff, Larry
Speaker 3: Flyn stuff, right, you know. And they get married in
Speaker 3: eighty five and essentially split in ninety one. But they
Speaker 3: met in seventy seven, right, She was a waitress at
Speaker 3: a bar in Hollywood. He was a star, right, And
Speaker 3: at the same time he's getting associated with scientology, right
Speaker 3: it at the same time he meets her. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if her associations with scientology, but I suspect
Speaker 3: she had some you know, in that regard, because again,
Speaker 3: that's when they first link up. He's actually married to
Speaker 3: his first wife at that point.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: And when you asked when the comment about whether or
Speaker 3: not Chloe Kardashian was that the Kardashian Chloe Kardashian with
Speaker 3: his daughter. She looks exactly like his daughter from his
Speaker 3: first urge, I haven't seen her. I'll bring that up
Speaker 3: here a minute. They look they're both kind of linebacker
Speaker 3: like I'm just saying, they could have played fullback if
Speaker 3: there were men. Wow, and so and look at Chloe
Speaker 3: versus her sisters, right.
Speaker 1: Right, So, I know she's went through a lot of
Speaker 1: plastic surgery recently. I don't know if she's gotten on
Speaker 1: ozempic or what. It looks like she's gotten her her
Speaker 1: her skeletal structure completely redone. I mean, it looks like
Speaker 1: they've broken her jaw and done all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: to get her to look more feminized. But sure, if
Speaker 1: you see if you see old pictures of Chloe, not
Speaker 1: new pictures of Chloe, Like, og, Chloe, Like, dude, that
Speaker 1: that is one OJ's kid.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I agree, and I apologize. I was
Speaker 3: referring to his daughter with Nicole. Sidney and Chloe look
Speaker 3: a lot alike. Mmm, bring up a picture right now.
Speaker 1: For us here, okay, perfect, because I'm so curious.
Speaker 3: I think they're roughly the same age. So they used
Speaker 3: to vacation every year together. Robert Kardashian, Robert Kardashian and
Speaker 3: OJ go back to think seventy two, they were tight.
Speaker 1: That's his first daughter.
Speaker 3: That's his daughter with Nicole. Yeah, that's Sydney.
Speaker 1: See, I don't think she looks anything like Nicole. This
Speaker 1: goes back to the whole Nicole is a biological man
Speaker 1: thing because it's like, I don't know, dude, I don't
Speaker 1: And like if you pull up could you pull up
Speaker 1: some pictures of Nicole, like with her five o'clock shadow,
Speaker 1: it appears to be you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: there are there are things that I've noticed just and
Speaker 1: you know, before I get roasted in the comments section,
Speaker 1: let me just make this clear. I have been following
Speaker 1: what I would consider to be reputable sources who look
Speaker 1: at celebrities, and they can tell you whether or not
Speaker 1: they're a biological man or a biological woman based on
Speaker 1: their bone structure. The same way that archaeologists can dig
Speaker 1: up skeletons in Egypt and tell you which ones are
Speaker 1: male and which ones are female. You can do it
Speaker 1: with living people too. It's not that hard. And there
Speaker 1: is a lot of discrepancies in Nicole Brown Simpson's skeleton
Speaker 1: that would suggest she was a biological man.
Speaker 3: I'm not yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, well, and I'm not saying that it had
Speaker 1: This is absolutely but I mean the jawline, the kneecaps,
Speaker 1: the elbows, for sure, her hands are huge and h
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there's another one. There's a picture
Speaker 1: of her and oj At like some kind of red
Speaker 1: carpet event. I think their kids are with them, and
Speaker 1: she's got like the whole five o'clock shadow thing going on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see that picture on there.
Speaker 3: I'll bring that up here one moment, police. So here's
Speaker 3: one of the I mean again, there's lots of these
Speaker 3: family photos that got over with the Kardashians, the Jenners
Speaker 3: and the you know, the the Simpsons. You get Nicole
Speaker 3: right here and oj so.
Speaker 1: For comfort.
Speaker 3: Well, what you're describing here makes a lot of sense
Speaker 3: from my heads at man, because these folks, what I'm
Speaker 3: getting out, You got to look at these folks and
Speaker 3: who they're dealing with, their activities, their social life, et cetera,
Speaker 3: and none of it pans out well for these folks.
Speaker 3: So I imagine they were probably into some weird sexual
Speaker 3: proclivities and activities. So we can see that through the
Speaker 3: Jenner family, who's got all sorts of train and stuff
Speaker 3: all around it, including some of them.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is like I hate to say
Speaker 1: guilt by association, but they're all kind of into this stuff.
Speaker 3: Well exactly, so some of the even some of the
Speaker 3: Jenner girls, their baby daddies or something like one of
Speaker 3: them is a baby daddy's a rapper and he he
Speaker 3: openly dates trans.
Speaker 1: They're all I'm telling you, they're all into this stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's super easy to fake a pregnancy bomb.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 1: That's that's something. I mean, Hollywood does it all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, it's super easy to fake a pregnancy bomb.
Speaker 1: So I don't want people coming after me in the
Speaker 1: comments talking about well there's pictures of her pregnant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could look pregnant tomorrow if I want you to, right,
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 3: Bring up said. I can bring up Beyonce fake pregnancy
Speaker 3: bump she got caught with. I can bring up another
Speaker 3: one if you want me to. Just show folks, So
Speaker 3: Charlie's their own. Charlie's throng claims to have gained seventy
Speaker 3: pounds of a beer belly for a party. You're a
Speaker 3: pregnant lady, And I would argue that's her name is
Speaker 3: really Charlie. Her father is a multi millionaire South African banker.
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, dude, That's what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: there are photos of Nicole and somebody put in the
Speaker 1: commons istant Nicole, Meg and Kelly Megan. Kelly has actually
Speaker 1: addressed that, And I think it's a fun theory to,
Speaker 1: you know, toss around. But no, I think the transgender
Speaker 1: actual Nicole is dead.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah they say that.
Speaker 3: I mean I kind of liked I kind of like
Speaker 3: it in concept. I don't know, I don't know the
Speaker 3: details of it, but I kind of like it in concept.
Speaker 1: I mentioned it in my series because a lot of
Speaker 1: people bring that up. But I will say that Megan
Speaker 1: Kelly herself has actually addressed that. And while they do
Speaker 1: look similar, I do think that the Trance Nicole that
Speaker 1: was married to Oj Simpson is dead. I don't know
Speaker 1: who did it. I want to think that it was Oj,
Speaker 1: because he's fucking weird. But I'm super open, like you've
Speaker 1: already got me halfway on the fence wondering what the
Speaker 1: hell's going on? See, look at Beyonce's fake bump. It
Speaker 1: is stuff. Look at this stuff.
Speaker 3: So there was another another star I think was Miley
Speaker 3: Cyrus that did it, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 3: like these things happen again. Charlie's stair On, she claims
Speaker 3: she did she gained uh you know, she did it
Speaker 3: all for a part, you know what I mean. She
Speaker 3: claimed it was all beer belly. Yeah, okay, right, you know,
Speaker 3: and again, I you know, there's I got so Charlie
Speaker 3: stair On she said to two young African children, you
Speaker 3: know you've won the lottery. Congratulations, you're an American. Now
Speaker 3: I adopted you. Also, Congratulations, I'm changing your gender. You're
Speaker 3: now a girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They love to do that, don't they yeah, look at.
Speaker 3: Uh some kind of crazy shit, is that right?
Speaker 1: Oh? Uh, Angeline and Jolie and Brad Pitt did that
Speaker 1: with their gaggle of geese. Oh it's a boy, now
Speaker 1: it's a girl. Now it's a boy again. I mean
Speaker 1: they literally they love that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, these scientology schooled children of will and uh Jada
Speaker 3: Pinkett's men.
Speaker 1: Well you know what they say that the girl was
Speaker 1: named after the dad because that's the biological male, right,
Speaker 1: and that the boy was named after the mom because
Speaker 1: that's the biological female. It's Willow and Jaden.
Speaker 3: Like, come on right, playing pregnant and soul. He was
Speaker 3: more physically taxing than Mad Max or Atomic Blonde. Get
Speaker 3: out of town. What are you talking?
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out man, this But this is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, if there was motivation outside of
Speaker 1: OJ to kill Nicole in this way, in this very
Speaker 1: very brutal way, I think that the that there's so
Speaker 1: many levels to it, it's it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine what all they were into. But I mean
Speaker 1: there's even there's even talks that OJ's son from his
Speaker 1: first marriage killed her because.
Speaker 3: Well, again, I think that's weird. Yeah, I'm familiar with
Speaker 3: that theory. I'm familiar that theory. I think it spends
Speaker 3: a lot of the actual evidence that doesn't exist against
Speaker 3: OJ and then tries to spin it off on with
Speaker 3: this guy. So I think all that's well designed and
Speaker 3: by playing. But would you agree with me? Charlie Staron
Speaker 3: looks pregnant, right.
Speaker 1: Hyeah, I'm sure she would love us to think she
Speaker 1: was pregnant.
Speaker 3: This is this is not on the film. This is
Speaker 3: during the filming, but not on the set. So she's again.
Speaker 3: She claimed that was a seventy pounds. Seventy pound beer belly.
Speaker 3: She gained. What kind of woman puts all her weight
Speaker 3: in a beer belly? I'm gonna go and no woman
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 1: Right, No, probably no woman at all. I would say
Speaker 1: that by the look of her face, I don't know
Speaker 1: like it. It's disproportionate to me to be a beer belly.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Are you frozen?
Speaker 3: Oh JJ, I'm back and back.
Speaker 1: I said, it looks proportionate to me.
Speaker 3: Really, because I would I would expect, I would expect
Speaker 3: more weight in the arms and maybe even the hips
Speaker 3: or something like that. And literally, when there's no other
Speaker 3: photographs from the film and whatnot, and scenes from the
Speaker 3: film where you can see her, you know, with the
Speaker 3: belly up and everything. It's literally all in her lower abdomen.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm saying if if it was if she
Speaker 1: was saying that she drank enough beer to get her
Speaker 1: stomach looking like that, it would be more evenly dispersed, right,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think it we just got some weight here, but
Speaker 3: I don't think enough, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I'm saying, is it looks disproportionate, Like
Speaker 1: why is it all congregated in the stomach?
Speaker 3: And I know you were you weren't born until the
Speaker 3: ninety four, like I said, and you also weren't aren't
Speaker 3: a man. But she was prominently displayed in the late
Speaker 3: night or mid to late nineties in a film called
Speaker 3: Reindeer Games topless, very memorable moment for any teenage male
Speaker 3: in the nineties, like myself. However, I would argue some
Speaker 3: of that might even be cgi because you can look
Speaker 3: at her films later, like where did this Ladies Presco? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you think, well, they're not doing that thing well.
Speaker 3: In the nineteen ninety five film I think it was
Speaker 3: barbed Wire. You know, this is a big news event.
Speaker 3: Member in the nineties as well, Pamela Anderson would not
Speaker 3: pose nude in the film for this movie, barbed Wire,
Speaker 3: despite her already posing for Playboy, and it was a
Speaker 3: big controversy surrounding these details. Right, So the idea of
Speaker 3: transferring someone's face into someone else's body is not absurd
Speaker 3: in Hollywood at that time, especially since in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: eight when they did Back to the Future too, Chrispin Glover,
Speaker 3: Like we were just talking about last week Back to
Speaker 3: the Future film review, Crispin Glover, he was not in
Speaker 3: number two because and they superposed some stuff and played
Speaker 3: some trickeries.
Speaker 1: So you know, they can literally fake anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: they faked the moon landing for Christ's sake, and people
Speaker 1: are still believing that.
Speaker 3: You and Kidd and people still believe that, don't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's easy to fake stuff like that
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: So I think we've we've laid some good groundwork here
Speaker 3: as far as some of the backstory and characters evolved
Speaker 3: with with some of these activities, and maybe even some
Speaker 3: substantiates some claims as to why these things may be
Speaker 3: going on. I would assert these folks have been associated
Speaker 3: with some hood rat activities for for a long time.
Speaker 3: And again, when you imply that maybe Sidney Simpson and
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, Chloe Kardashian have the same dad,
Speaker 3: I think that's you know, they look a lot alike.
Speaker 3: They look more like sisters than she does with the
Speaker 3: rest of the Kardashians if you ask me.
Speaker 1: But she looks nothing like the other Kardashians to an
Speaker 1: annoying degree. Like it's it's almost like, are you seriously
Speaker 1: trying to say that this one is with the rest
Speaker 1: of them? Like one of these is not like the other.
Speaker 3: Like it's she I mean size wise looks wise. And again,
Speaker 3: you know, when they're vacationing with the Simpsons, you know,
Speaker 3: and they're doing you know, weird sexual swinger con activities,
Speaker 3: I think that's certainly plausible, right.
Speaker 1: That dude, that's what they were doing at the Tate
Speaker 1: House too. Just to bring that up. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were infamous wife swapping and right doing making videos of
Speaker 1: the ship and like exactly swapping sharing around. I mean,
Speaker 1: who even knows what whose baby she was pregnant with
Speaker 1: at the time. Maybe that's what got her killed if
Speaker 1: she was actually killed. But I mean.
Speaker 3: Too, you can't know who that daddy is, right, No, man,
Speaker 3: they was doing.
Speaker 1: All kinds of wife swapping and nasty stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that the Kardashians were doing that ship too. That's
Speaker 1: maybe that's why he was so gung ho to represent
Speaker 1: oj I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, right right, right, before we get any further here,
Speaker 3: let me just fix something here. We're getting further into
Speaker 3: the evidence here when we're discussed some of what the
Speaker 3: salient characteristics that have convinced you that this was indeed
Speaker 3: the work of Orenthal James Simpson, I just want to
Speaker 3: go over some of the cast of characters, you know,
Speaker 3: a little bit further detail, if you will, and we'll
Speaker 3: go into the going to the witness we'll go into
Speaker 3: the state's evidence and the witnesses as well. But you know,
Speaker 3: the cast of characters I think is very interesting. So
Speaker 3: when you're describing how we're sold these things, and like
Speaker 3: I was saying before, this is kind of more or
Speaker 3: less whole hog effective, you will, right, let me once
Speaker 3: saying it's kind of fix something here real fast, Okay,
Speaker 3: good to go. So you know I was saying, like
Speaker 3: we're sold this media, this new media campaign of where
Speaker 3: everyone's going to see the whole court trial. We don't
Speaker 3: see court trials. And I think it's this is part
Speaker 3: of the magic show of you will convincing folks that
Speaker 3: we have this open, public court system that's fair and objective.
Speaker 3: And we do so by events like this where we're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we televise the whole oh shit, well back year back
Speaker 3: and the idea farmers and that's almost all censored and
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know sealed. Right, So but you know,
Speaker 3: the people who sold us the O. J. Simpson case
Speaker 3: is interesting to me. So we first see Charles Groden, Right,
Speaker 3: he's now one of these media news pundits who's gonna
Speaker 3: start bringing us updates on the on the O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson case every day. Granted he was an actor already.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, we meet him in this new capacity, right.
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with Charles Groden?
Speaker 1: Uh? Not really.
Speaker 3: Soon Charles Groden is this fella?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I've seen him before, gotcha.
Speaker 3: Charles Groden in a panel of yelling weirdos discuss the
Speaker 3: OJ Simpson case. That's precisely what I'm talking about. He
Speaker 3: was a nut job when he came out about these things.
Speaker 3: Charles Groden got his start in Hollywood thanks to Cocaine
Speaker 3: Bob Evans in the film Rosemary No.
Speaker 1: Stop It, shut your mouth.
Speaker 3: Yes, mallam, oh, he plays that doctor and there he
Speaker 3: is right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does see.
Speaker 3: Him right here in the image from.
Speaker 1: The film does Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: The dad in Beethoven. He played with de Niro and
Speaker 3: Midnight Run. De Niro's career also made in part or
Speaker 3: in fully thanks to Bob Cocaine Evans. So you see
Speaker 3: a lot of these people sticking together over the years.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Groad and that's where he got his start, right,
Speaker 3: and again we see him in the media. Then we
Speaker 3: also meet Greta van Sustern later Fox News funded at
Speaker 3: this time CNN scientologists at the time too. By the way,
Speaker 3: So when you're describing these things as maybe Nicole Brown
Speaker 3: Simpson might have been making, Kelly, I was like, wait
Speaker 3: a second, that's interesting because we're sold these new media
Speaker 3: packages and pundits as a result of this case, right,
Speaker 3: and they all have some strangers connections, right, all back
Speaker 3: to this you know process being the dark wing of scientology,
Speaker 3: as as I assert, and you know, and you have
Speaker 3: all these scientologists as well. And then you know, we
Speaker 3: also get Charles Manson's friend, Ira Reiner, the former district
Speaker 3: attorney from Los Angeles from eighty four to ninety two.
Speaker 3: He prosecuted some interesting cases during that time, but we
Speaker 3: get him as as immediate pundit as well in this case.
Speaker 3: So you know, when when you're saying these things, and
Speaker 3: you know, Megan Kelly, I don't know this for a fact.
Speaker 3: I've never witnessed it, but I did. I have a
Speaker 3: lot of one of my old Air Force dudes, got
Speaker 3: out of the Air Force, went to college and you know,
Speaker 3: TV broadcasting or whatever, and got a job at Fox
Speaker 3: News and kind of worked his way up in production there, right,
Speaker 3: And you know, I used to go hang out there
Speaker 3: a lot of times in the city because it was
Speaker 3: very much a party atmosphere, right, It's a lot of
Speaker 3: drinking going on, back in my drinking days. And you know,
Speaker 3: so I got another production staff. I played on their
Speaker 3: fantasy baseball team a couple of years, went back to
Speaker 3: back years and stuff. So you know, I never worked there,
Speaker 3: but I think some people thought I might have. But anyway,
Speaker 3: I heard stories there. You know, I heard she had
Speaker 3: quite a cocaine habit, for example. And it'd be interesting
Speaker 3: because Nicole Brown Simpson had quite a cocaine habit.
Speaker 1: Yes she did.
Speaker 3: That's very interesting you mentioned that. I never heard that before. So,
Speaker 3: but it kind of plays what I'm saying is we're
Speaker 3: sold these new media characters. Right, Greta van Sustern again, right,
Speaker 3: you know today she's like, oh, I regret my time
Speaker 3: spent covering the og In trial. Good for you, lady,
Speaker 3: because you know it was kind of a kind of
Speaker 3: nut jobbery if you ask me. Right. And on that
Speaker 3: same note, we get Marcia Clark. She's also providing commentary
Speaker 3: today on the Idaho case, right, strangely enough, and she
Speaker 3: was a prosecutor La County prosecutor prosecuting this case, Lee prosecutor. Right,
Speaker 3: she was a scientologist at the time. She was married
Speaker 3: to it. She was it gets worse. I can't make
Speaker 3: this shit up, ma'am so. And this is this is
Speaker 3: an article she wrote herself in nineteen ninety seven, I believe,
Speaker 3: and I'll put these links in the show notes here.
Speaker 3: But her husband at the time is fellow by the
Speaker 3: name of Gordon Clark. He was an OT seven executive
Speaker 3: staff member of scientology. So he was a billion year
Speaker 3: contract guy. Right. So the guy that married them was
Speaker 3: the scientologist named Bruce Roman. She writes about this in
Speaker 3: her article. And Bruce Roman just happened to be friends
Speaker 3: with her first husband as well, he was also a scientologist.
Speaker 3: This Gabby Horowitz guy right, and Bruce Roman, marys Marcia
Speaker 3: Clark and her new husband, and then you know, shortly thereafter,
Speaker 3: somehow murders Gabby Horowitz, her first husband, her ex husband
Speaker 3: what and doesn't get charged. Courtesy of Ira Reiner Charles no,
Speaker 3: stop it. Yeah, I can't make this shit up.
Speaker 1: Small fucking circles.
Speaker 3: So you see there's a lot of connections back to
Speaker 3: these manson situations from the OJ case and then forward
Speaker 3: onto the Idaho case, because why do they select this
Speaker 3: lady or fell in Nazi Furman to provide commentary. And
Speaker 3: again this is Ira Reiner. He was the DA from
Speaker 3: eighty four to ninety two, and then he was one
Speaker 3: of the live pundits we get after that right on
Speaker 3: TV and they were ninety four. He prosecutes the Hillside Stranglers. Wait,
Speaker 3: that was before him. He prosecutes Richard Ramirez, He prosecutes
Speaker 3: the Cotton Club murders of Bob Cocaine Evans that he
Speaker 3: let walk, right, the Cotton.
Speaker 1: Club murders and Richard Ramirez are both programmed to kill.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. And uh, the mc martin preschool
Speaker 3: that he did that case.
Speaker 1: Too way stop it, stop it, stop it. You're kidding me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and despite being on it yep, despite being a uh,
Speaker 3: he did the whitewashing h right as the district attorney.
Speaker 3: So despite despite calling Bob Evans is the number one
Speaker 3: witness in the case of the murder of against raiding,
Speaker 3: number one person you know in the grand jury, right
Speaker 3: they were questioning, he pleads the fifth. The judge yells
Speaker 3: at him. Ira Reyner never charges him. He's an unindoicted
Speaker 3: co conspirator in that murder. So you know, he lets
Speaker 3: Bob walk, Cocaine Bob walk there, he covers the mc
Speaker 3: martin stuff. We don't know much about the Richard Ramirez ship.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of you said there.
Speaker 1: So he has his hand in all of the program
Speaker 1: to kill shit, Mick Martin, free school, Richard Ramirez, Cotton
Speaker 1: Club murders. He's just letting everybody walk. Mother Tucer mansond
Speaker 1: whatnot please tell me he's dead.
Speaker 3: During the trials, they say they're looking for a for
Speaker 3: an attorney for Leslie van Hooton, and Charles Manson says,
Speaker 3: I have a friend who will represent her. And he
Speaker 3: called They called each other personal friends, and he was
Speaker 3: for a period of time Leslie van.
Speaker 1: Hut He said, I have a friend.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Oh, please tell me this man died horribly he's still alive.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Do you know the Mick Martin pre school trials one
Speaker 1: of the most frustrating things to research that I've ever
Speaker 1: looked into. I mean, just the amount of cover ups,
Speaker 1: in the amount of in this guy. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: JJ. Right, do you see how I say a lot
Speaker 3: of these things that are all interweaving and connecting here
Speaker 3: in these matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this is a New York Times article from March
Speaker 3: of nineteen seventy. State gets new star witness in sat
Speaker 3: murder case. Right, and then we go down here. First,
Speaker 3: Miss van Hooton dismissed your quarter appointed lawyer and selected
Speaker 3: Ira Reiner, a friend of Manson's.
Speaker 1: There you go, a friend of Manson's.
Speaker 3: Yep, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: How is he connected to the O J case?
Speaker 3: He was a comedy so he was one of the
Speaker 3: media stars we got selling us the case right on
Speaker 3: TV all the.
Speaker 1: Time, right right, Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: But he just left office as a district attorney there,
Speaker 3: I think Gil.
Speaker 1: He wasn't like the presiding district attorney, but he was
Speaker 1: like the mouthpiece.
Speaker 3: Right well, No, he lost the election ninety two. From
Speaker 3: eighty four to ninety two, he was the DA there
Speaker 3: in La County. In ninety four, he suddenly he gets
Speaker 3: hired as a media pundit to describe this case to
Speaker 3: the media.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, That's what I meant. Okay.
Speaker 3: We also meet Phil McGraw old, not a doctor, and
Speaker 3: he longer philed because he lost that license. We meet
Speaker 3: him for the very first time providing commentary on the
Speaker 3: OJ case. Now, doctor Phil, Yes, ma'am. And I've long
Speaker 3: suspected old doctor not a doctor Phil, because he lost
Speaker 3: his license a long time ago. I believe it's how
Speaker 3: the story goes. He lost it before even the OJ case.
Speaker 3: I think was ninety one or ninety two that he
Speaker 3: lost it or got suspended. I think initially suspended. I
Speaker 3: don't know, was foil vot doctor Phil?
Speaker 1: What how the fuck does he get wrapped s up
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 3: I would assert, ma'am that there's a good high probability
Speaker 3: that doctor Phil is a scientologist or was a scientologist.
Speaker 3: So we meet doctor Phil the courtesy of courtesy of
Speaker 3: Oprah Winterfree and then in nineteen ninety and then and
Speaker 3: then and then immediately following that on a national stage
Speaker 3: over the O. J. Simpson case, providing commentary. In nineteen ninety,
Speaker 3: mcgral co founded Courtrooms Sciences, Incorporated, a trial consulting firm,
Speaker 3: with lawyer Gary Dobbs. They would do dry runs of
Speaker 3: court cases and simulated courtrooms, and mcgrawl would offer advice
Speaker 3: about what part of the lawyer's case worked in what
Speaker 3: parts did not. Mcral is no longer an officer director
Speaker 3: of the company. The TV show Bowl is based on
Speaker 3: mcgrall's experiences as the trial consultant. Mc crawl began work
Speaker 3: with Oprah Winfrey through CSI, so that I believe that
Speaker 3: was ninety that was ninety five, Okay, So we actually
Speaker 3: do first meet him in the OJ Simpson trial, then
Speaker 3: doing these kind of trial consulting commentary on TV. Right,
Speaker 3: But prior to that, him and his father started this
Speaker 3: self help seminar group out of Texas called Choices, which
Speaker 3: has a lot of hallmarks of what I would describe
Speaker 3: would be a similar thing to executive success programs of
Speaker 3: the Nexium cult.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yep, Doctor.
Speaker 3: Phil right, so uh Damba Box was a creator and
Speaker 3: founder of Choices seminars in eighty three. She was successful
Speaker 3: to Texas businesswoman who started Choices along with doctor Phil
Speaker 3: and his father Joe McGraw. So when you're describing these
Speaker 3: people that were being sold right as a result of
Speaker 3: these trial making again the whole hog effect effect of
Speaker 3: making money off of, you know, everything. Regarding these high
Speaker 3: profile events, we see a lot of questionable characters that
Speaker 3: get introduced to us, and they all seem to have
Speaker 3: a lot of deep signedology slash process slash Manson roots
Speaker 3: slash cocaine Bob. So it's all kind of the same
Speaker 3: network if you ask me. But you know, doctor Phil's
Speaker 3: no different if you ask me as well.
Speaker 1: So like the OJ thing kind of like busted him
Speaker 1: out onto the scene as well as part of the sensationalism.
Speaker 3: And strangely enough, when O. J. Simpson gets busted for
Speaker 3: the kidnapping robbery charge in Vegas in the in the Mideatts.
Speaker 3: The one person we see erupt on the national scene
Speaker 3: as the go to person providing commentary news on that
Speaker 3: case is a lady by the name of Ashley Banfield.
Speaker 3: She now plays the front runner as the propaganda mouthpiece
Speaker 3: in the Idaho for meers on News Nation.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so these are like eight I kind of have
Speaker 1: to go back to what I asked you before it
Speaker 1: and it makes me wonder if this shit isn't all
Speaker 1: staged and like Nicole never died.
Speaker 3: Well again, I like the idea, especially when you're talking
Speaker 3: about Megan and Kelly, but you know I would consider that.
Speaker 3: I would, but I would leave your mind open to
Speaker 3: it's not mutually exclusive. She can still die and they
Speaker 3: can still use all of these things to the same effect.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the autopsy then, because I'm just
Speaker 1: curious what your thoughts are on all of that.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, I think you built I think we built
Speaker 3: a good strong case there for motivations on these things
Speaker 3: regarding these chaotic again processed church chaos social turbulence. Right,
Speaker 3: the processed church grows out of the Tavistocks concepts of
Speaker 3: what they described and wrote down a research paper called
Speaker 3: Social turbulence in nineteen sixty three. So, and it is
Speaker 3: this idea of creating these chaotic cultural events that are
Speaker 3: very polarizing, in which the social engineer and direct society
Speaker 3: in the manner in which you wish to do so.
Speaker 3: Mix it max society malleable.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: That's literally what they wrote. And the guy who wrote
Speaker 3: the paper founded tavia Stock and then invaded America the
Speaker 3: same time the Processed Church did in sixty eight. Except
Speaker 3: for Alan Trist's he goes to UCLA and works with
Speaker 3: Jolly and West to the psychology department briefly before I
Speaker 3: think we go to Oklahoma or wherever he went after that,
Speaker 3: but they have a cross over there. Alan Trist's son,
Speaker 3: Eric Trist, was best friends with Grateful Dead lead singer
Speaker 3: Jerry Garcia and was the band's publishing house president. The
Speaker 3: Tavistock son ran the Grateful Dead's publishing house, and he
Speaker 3: just died a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Wow. You know, I did all that research on Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 1: and I never got into I'm aware of Tavistock, but
Speaker 1: not like all the details, like as far as that goes.
Speaker 1: But sure, I know, you know, the Beatles and stuff
Speaker 1: are Tavistock and they've had their you know, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that shit, but I know that they've had
Speaker 1: their impact on on you know, culture forever long.
Speaker 3: But so that's a good point. And they still do
Speaker 3: if you ask me. So there's a fellow by the
Speaker 3: name of Peter Asher, major figure in music production and
Speaker 3: publishing and whatnot. He owned a coffee shop in the
Speaker 3: Mayfair district, Serca nineteen sixty four, the Sativa Cafe into
Speaker 3: Indico Indica, a cafe I got my pots friends mixed
Speaker 3: up Indica Cafe. He was a member of the Process.
Speaker 1: His sister, well, they're all process or scientology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, any process is an offshooting. I would allege
Speaker 3: still a dark wing of scientology. But so Peter Asher,
Speaker 3: this is the end of cafe is the Process headquarters
Speaker 3: in the Mayfair district, right, And his sister's dating Paul McCartney, right,
Speaker 3: And John Lennon meets Yoko Ono at that cafe. And
Speaker 3: Peter and Jane Asher's first cousin is one of the
Speaker 3: founding members of the Process. She's alive and well today
Speaker 3: in canab Utah. I think she may have just passed
Speaker 3: a couple of yars ago. She was alive and well
Speaker 3: until recently.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Peter Asher is a major figure to this day. He's
Speaker 3: wrapped up on the Diddy stuff. Really. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 3: this is the guy and he's been very prominent Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: not just the UK. Wow. In twenty nineteen, Asher published
Speaker 3: a book The Beatles from Aid Is That about his
Speaker 3: personal reminiscences about reminiscences about the band. Yep, this was
Speaker 3: his sister who dated them, who dated the original Paul
Speaker 3: not Fall, who dated Paul McCartney.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you clarified that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're uh their cousins.
Speaker 1: Well, let me see her face, Jane Asher, well on
Speaker 1: stand by please. I guess for an old lady, she's
Speaker 1: not bad.
Speaker 3: Yea. In the day, the Beatles were definitely processing. Like
Speaker 3: I said, how they all met and hung out there
Speaker 3: and whatnot, and then they did They did felt you know,
Speaker 3: they introduced to Lima throughout their music, you know, not
Speaker 3: just the curly stuff and Stargeant Peppers. They in fact,
Speaker 3: I think it's their album Help the they're doing the
Speaker 3: arm signals and hand signals. Nick points out how that's
Speaker 3: directly out of Curley, that's directly out of the lima
Speaker 3: and those handed arm signals are doing. And they're wearing
Speaker 3: the early kind of processed style cloaks. I'll bring picture.
Speaker 1: Well, while you're at it, why don't you bring up
Speaker 1: a picture of of the Beatles.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: This was something that one of my fellow conspiracy podcasters
Speaker 1: pointed this out to me. Uh, it's the Beatles with
Speaker 1: a bunch of baby parts and like covering.
Speaker 3: It's creepy.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, dude, I had never seen that before in
Speaker 1: my life. These are the signals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you give me one moment? Yeah? This, and
Speaker 3: they're wearing some very processing in style cloaks. Can you
Speaker 3: me one moment? My my dog sounds like he wants
Speaker 3: to eat somebody. I'll be right back, Julie, I apologize. Okay,
Speaker 3: if you don't mind, please sing us a song there
Speaker 3: for the folks of the interwebs.
Speaker 1: Oh no, thank you.
Speaker 3: So do you know any good songs from the album?
Speaker 1: Help? Ah? It's definitely not my favorite album. I think
Speaker 1: I'm more of a revolver type of gal. Let me see,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read some of these comments here. Somebody said
Speaker 1: the Beatles are gay. I mean they might be. Yoko
Speaker 1: definitely looks like a man to me.
Speaker 3: Thanks for holling it down there, Julia.
Speaker 1: Do you think Yoka is a man?
Speaker 3: I think Yoko is some sort of sex pot type situation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot. Yeah, I think there's lots
Speaker 3: back and forth spook activities going on with these folks,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, this whole process scene again
Speaker 3: around the cocaine trafficking, I ran country kind of activities.
Speaker 3: But the uh, there's a lot to be said about
Speaker 3: the Beatles and what they were used for and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of it was to transform
Speaker 3: this cultural engineering, like I was saying in these Pelemix
Speaker 3: style principles of Alistair Curley, because that's seemingly what has occurred.
Speaker 3: And you know, part of that is to keep that
Speaker 3: network going, and keeping that network going is selling drugs,
Speaker 3: drug sex, and rock and roll, right, so you got
Speaker 3: to promote these things. You got to cover up the
Speaker 3: crimes associated with these things, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also if John really get it how they say
Speaker 1: he got it, and she walked without a single ricochet,
Speaker 1: missed bullet like she was right next to him, right like,
Speaker 1: and she didn't get right And.
Speaker 3: That happens, and that happens at the Dakota Building. And
Speaker 3: again Mark David Chapman had interactions with Scientology in Hawaii
Speaker 3: before he flew there, and it happens to the Dakota Building.
Speaker 1: Go, what's his name? Well, the DA Building, Kenneth Anger,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Anger. He had connections to Kenneth Anger.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yes he did.
Speaker 3: Bobby Bosley's boyfriend. Huh, Yes, the Dakota. The Dakota Building
Speaker 3: was the side of Rose Murray's baby. Back to Bob Cocaine,
Speaker 3: and again it's Bob Cocaine evans that that that brokers
Speaker 3: the marriage between Polanski and Tate.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all, it's all so interconnected. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you were on this episode, but one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things, because I know you're about to
Speaker 1: bring this up, when I when I covered Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 1: and I went over her autopsy report and all the
Speaker 1: inconsistencies in there and how there's no way she could
Speaker 1: have killed herself. You know, I'm interested to see what
Speaker 1: the autopsy will tell us about these two, because up
Speaker 1: until this point, I was convinced on OJ's guilt solely
Speaker 1: based on the fact that she was practically decays appetated,
Speaker 1: and Ron wasn't, and that it looked like there there was,
Speaker 1: you know, a rush job done to quickly eliminate Ron,
Speaker 1: so whoever it was could take their sweet ass time
Speaker 1: slicing and dice. And mister Brown Simpson, well, I hear you,
Speaker 1: I hear.
Speaker 3: I would argue you have that in reverse, that it
Speaker 3: was Nicole was caught by surprise. Her neck was deeply cut,
Speaker 3: but it was done from behind, and she was caught
Speaker 3: by surprise. You can tell that because her feet get
Speaker 3: caught underneath the fence and she doesn't move. That's an
Speaker 3: important factor because Ron Goldman is later found with her
Speaker 3: blood underneath on the soles of his shoes, which according
Speaker 3: to the state's circumstances of events timeline of events, that
Speaker 3: never transpires. Ron's killed feet away and never goes near
Speaker 3: Nicole's body.
Speaker 1: So what I was led to believe, Well.
Speaker 3: The evidence would support otherwise and gain and.
Speaker 1: It's a good I want to hear about it.
Speaker 3: Well, cruise through those Uh, if you're good with another
Speaker 3: sixty minutes here and we're already an hour and a half,
Speaker 3: Well cruise the rest of the detectives and in the
Speaker 3: evidence here. So we have Tom Lang, lead detective. Right,
Speaker 3: he shows up a very late response. We see that
Speaker 3: also with the Idaho four case. Nine on one's called
Speaker 3: it noon the lead detectives and show for four hours,
Speaker 3: same thing here, four hours. So whatever reasons these lead
Speaker 3: detectives need to take four hours to show up to
Speaker 3: a murder scene, Haines murder scene, I have no idea,
Speaker 3: especially in a small town like Moscow, Idaho. But Tom Lang,
Speaker 3: you're familiar with the Four on the Four murders of Laal.
Speaker 1: Case Foe on the Flow one of my favorite Laurel
Speaker 1: Canyon debaucheries.
Speaker 3: Lead detective Tom Lang.
Speaker 1: Wow, so this guy's a puppet as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely him and Van Atterbeth Yeap Lang would later defend
Speaker 3: Eddie Nash Eddie Nash skirts charges and ordering that hit
Speaker 3: with John Holmes on the Four on the Four murders
Speaker 3: for twenty years. Governor Moonbeam Jerry Brown who governor, former
Speaker 3: governor of California. I believe thrice As was his father Moonbeam.
Speaker 3: Old Moonbeam was according to the files of d Zanders,
Speaker 3: was a member of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment.
Speaker 3: He no he lived three doors down on Wonderland Avenue.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did know that. I did know that he
Speaker 1: lived four doors down from the Foe on the Flow,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know.
Speaker 3: He was I was thinking of the band. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: long term, long time dated Linda Rodenstadt. She was involved
Speaker 3: in that mix to you, oh Rod, yeah, j J.
Speaker 1: No, I love her. She's are you telling me she's
Speaker 1: a piece of dog shit.
Speaker 3: Too and all? And I'll probably likelihood yes, man, oh
Speaker 3: j J. So Tom Lang runs cover like you see
Speaker 3: you know, uh Bigfoot Bejornson and Inherent Weiss do right
Speaker 3: in the films. Yeah, he's running cover for all sorts
Speaker 3: of stuff. So that's yeah. These guys are all bagman
Speaker 3: in that regard. Now. Tom Lang would later defend Eddie Nash,
Speaker 3: the man who would order ultimately get charged twenty years
Speaker 3: later for ordering that hit so interesting car.
Speaker 1: That's that is? That is uh uh one of LA's
Speaker 1: most bloody and brutal crime scenes. That was That was
Speaker 1: a Laurel Canyon era crime scene there. It's definitely I
Speaker 1: don't know man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, John Holmes, the porn star, would get busted for this, right.
Speaker 3: Eton Holmes at one point called Eddie Nash, that nightclub
Speaker 3: owner the man who ordered this, This drog trafficker, the
Speaker 3: most evil man I've ever known. And that's the guy
Speaker 3: that Tom Lang, the lead detective here and both that
Speaker 3: murder and the OJ murder we claim is not a
Speaker 3: bad guy. That man ranning. That man ran a teenage teenage,
Speaker 3: no alcohol night, all night nightclub in Hollywood name named
Speaker 3: The Odyssey. A lot of strange and weird shit went
Speaker 3: down there, a lot of strange and weird shit.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? He died of aides in eighteen eighty eight?
Speaker 1: Thank god?
Speaker 3: Wait that was Holmes. That was Holmes.
Speaker 1: Oh oh wow, shit, they didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't prosecute Nash until two thousand and one.
Speaker 6: My god.
Speaker 3: So Nash's lead colely detective on the OJ case, Philip
Speaker 3: Van Natter sadly a fellow West Virginian. I don't like
Speaker 3: to claim that, but he, uh again, is part of
Speaker 3: that character I say bigfoot be Ornson's based off of there.
Speaker 3: He's a rookie cop on the at the Tate Polanski home.
Speaker 3: He arrests Polanski in seventy seven for the rape of
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old.
Speaker 1: That's van Atter, that van At or is he processed.
Speaker 3: If he's not he's doing the bedding of saying right
Speaker 3: again like Bjornson is, he's doing the bidding of this
Speaker 3: larger network.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: He doesn't really know who they are, and spoiler alert,
Speaker 3: he doesn't like their activities. That's why he he you know,
Speaker 3: gets uh. He starts weaponizing yaquein Phoenix against this this network, right,
Speaker 3: this criminal network, because they murdered his partner. Right. He
Speaker 3: was not a man of ethics or morals. He's a
Speaker 3: man of revenge for murdering his partner.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So but again he's a batman for this network. That's
Speaker 3: Philip van Atter. It's a great example of his activities.
Speaker 1: So do you think he's a bad guy.
Speaker 3: I think he's the worst. I think I could I
Speaker 3: could demonstrate how he supervised an officer he leaves so
Speaker 3: they him uh uh lang, van Atdter and Furman are
Speaker 3: all gone. Immediately following the trial van Atter comes to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: He would supervise an officer who later in recent years
Speaker 3: get we get busted for uh memory hole eight years
Speaker 3: of child sexual abuse of criminal complaints. M would be
Speaker 3: one of the proteg one of the that's his mentor
Speaker 3: right there. The guy did that. They work together here
Speaker 3: in Rising Sundan, Indiana.
Speaker 1: So he's just a piece of dog shit.
Speaker 3: He's a bag man. He's a national bagman. If you
Speaker 3: think this network as a national network, Julie, it makes
Speaker 3: a lot more sense if you need a bag man
Speaker 3: and around Cincinnati or whatnot or certain regions, and you've
Speaker 3: got to move him around, right and you may not lose.
Speaker 3: You may lose the guy in La But you can
Speaker 3: use a mountain like the Mafia. You can use mountain
Speaker 3: Indiana or Ohio. It's the same difference, right, Just for.
Speaker 1: People who are joining the conversation right now, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the comparison between a movie called Inherent Vice with
Speaker 1: a character named Bjornson to this guy in real life,
Speaker 1: Like how the character was probably based off of this
Speaker 1: guy because somebody said who's Bijornsen or something like that
Speaker 1: in the comments.
Speaker 3: But I'm glad you're keeping up with the comments, thank you, Julia.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I just wanted to say, like Bijornsen is
Speaker 1: a fictitional character in a movie that is based off
Speaker 1: of these shittheads in real life.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's correct, ma'am. So then we get Mark Furman,
Speaker 3: he's Langan and Van Atter the lead detectives. Furman's the
Speaker 3: first detective unseen, so they get there at four o'clock.
Speaker 3: Furman gets there at approximately two ten. The murders occur
Speaker 3: between ten thirty two and ten forty two on the twelfth. However,
Speaker 3: nine one one is not called until twelve until twelve
Speaker 3: oh nine am, and the initial response is at twelve
Speaker 3: seventeen am on the thirteenth. And that's for a robbery.
Speaker 3: That's for a suspected robbery. So all these people hear
Speaker 3: screams and whatnot at ten thirty ten forty two allegedly
Speaker 3: again according to the case later but no one calls
Speaker 3: nine one one for another almost hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Well what's this stuff about the dog barkin and somebody
Speaker 1: being like having this, getting the dog and doing all that.
Speaker 3: So when the police respond, so the dog chase allegedly
Speaker 3: chase the assailants you know, away from the scene, right
Speaker 3: and chase their car according to other reports right, some
Speaker 3: of these reports that would later be thrown out by
Speaker 3: the prosecution later because it didn't fit their timeline, but
Speaker 3: one of which said they saw a white Bronco again
Speaker 3: they thought it was oj driving on the opposite direction
Speaker 3: of OJ's house five minutes after OJ was seen out
Speaker 3: on his property by a limo driver, So that didn't
Speaker 3: work out for the prosecution too well. So while that
Speaker 3: event most likely did happen, because the dog then allegedly
Speaker 3: chased that car and was found by a neighbor who
Speaker 3: brought it back to the house at twelve seventeen when
Speaker 3: the cops respond, she's waiting for the cops there at
Speaker 3: the house. What pretense she was operating under? I have
Speaker 3: no idea, because there's this weird gap of time where
Speaker 3: the state says no one called nim time.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I suspect they're lying, right about this weird I suspect
Speaker 3: there's a lot of nine one one calls that they're
Speaker 3: not they're not public about right. Who's gonna tell us
Speaker 3: about it? The police? Well, they're the ones hiding it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the same case in the Idaho
Speaker 3: four case. I think there was more murder as he calls,
Speaker 3: not necessarily from the home, but of folks who may
Speaker 3: have heard something or whatever. And the police are not
Speaker 3: going to tell us about these things because they're the
Speaker 3: one's hiding all their shit. So and speaking of hide
Speaker 3: and shit, we got Mark Furman, So that's the other guy.
Speaker 3: And again he's the Nazi fella dude. So he he
Speaker 3: gets questioned for in the trial whether or not he
Speaker 3: planted evidence. Now he said, he pleads the fifth. He
Speaker 3: gets charged, you know, for a felony for perjury over
Speaker 3: these matters. And again a forty two page report from
Speaker 3: the Internal Affairs at LAPD gets published in October of
Speaker 3: ninety five. You know, during the trial, after he testifies though,
Speaker 3: and again the prosecution knew this was happening. They didn't
Speaker 3: they let him test but anyway, so he was used,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, to blow up the case from both
Speaker 3: sides and create more chaos. Right, he was used in
Speaker 3: planning evidence, but during the trial he was used to
Speaker 3: ruin the case for everybody. No one could argue anything else.
Speaker 1: His little shitty, pipsqueak face, like he's got like some
Speaker 1: kind of shitting eating grin eye right now, you can
Speaker 1: tell he's just full of it.
Speaker 3: And oh, for sure, And I was surprised, I guess
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, but there's a lot of scientologists
Speaker 3: in it. The Netflix documentary right on the uh or
Speaker 3: maybe this was American crime story one of these recent
Speaker 3: the Truth Behind the People versus O. J. Simpson. One
Speaker 3: of these recent productions includes the Nazi memorabilia or Nazi
Speaker 3: pens that Furman was wearing. So and again Furman, this
Speaker 3: is his nineteen ninety six please agreement for perjury in
Speaker 3: that case. So I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a felon. I don't know how he's I
Speaker 3: don't know how he's a PI. He calls himself a
Speaker 3: private detective on TV. I don't know any state you
Speaker 3: can be a private detective, with the exception of Mississippi,
Speaker 3: but that's a different story altogether. As a felon, not
Speaker 3: with a felony in Mississippi, Stalle you can.
Speaker 1: Oh, in justin Mississippi you can.
Speaker 3: Well that's only what I'm aware of. Yeah, certainly not
Speaker 3: in Ohio.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: He's gonna say, nowhere I've ever lived, you can't not.
Speaker 3: If you have a felony, you couldn't do it with
Speaker 3: a misdemeanor here. I mean I was. I owned a PI,
Speaker 3: I was licensing known with PI company for four and
Speaker 3: a half years after I retire from the Air Force,
Speaker 3: and you can't. Yeah, you're not getting a with that here.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, there's fella Nazi Mark Furman. Right, these aren't
Speaker 3: things that I claim he signed a plea agreement for
Speaker 3: that felony, et cetera. He's you know, many people documented
Speaker 3: the Nazi stuff through that internal affairs report commented on
Speaker 3: by Johnny Cochran. His book featured in recent documentaries apparently.
Speaker 3: So the interesting thing is we'll get into this evidence
Speaker 3: here that he planted. You know, like I said, the
Speaker 3: police always had a shifting timeline at the beginning of
Speaker 3: this case, right, so the cops make mistakes and Oj
Speaker 3: Warrence This is an article from March of ninety five
Speaker 3: describing how during the trial now they're shifting everything from
Speaker 3: the probable cause affidavit of arrest and changing all these
Speaker 3: narratives and details. Right, that's happening in the eye case two.
Speaker 3: That's exactly the same playbook and I for murders. So,
Speaker 3: and one of the interesting things with Furman is they
Speaker 3: try to hide his relationship with the case at all.
Speaker 3: So the defense didn't know about him for I think
Speaker 3: two weeks that he was even on scene. So it
Speaker 3: was always a cover up from day one with Furman, Right,
Speaker 3: they try to cover everything up with him, even though
Speaker 3: he wrote reports. He wrote a report at six o'clock
Speaker 3: that morning claiming that there was blood inside the Bronco. Well,
Speaker 3: how the hell would old Nazi fell In Furman know
Speaker 3: that unless he planted it?
Speaker 1: Right, So, okay, let me ask you something then, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why did why the high speed chase if he didn't
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's a good question. Before we get into
Speaker 3: the evidence, let's go back to the arrest, right, So
Speaker 3: June twelfth between this is the timeline of events as
Speaker 3: identified by the prosecution June twelfth, approximately twenty two one
Speaker 3: hundred hours twenty two thirty two, ten thirty two to
Speaker 3: ten forty two pm. Was that was the murders that
Speaker 3: took place here between at the Bundy residence of Nicole
Speaker 3: Brown Simpson, where Ron Goldman had stopped by with her
Speaker 3: mother's eyeglasses that she apparently left at the Italian restaurant
Speaker 3: that night and he was bringing that over there for right,
Speaker 3: That's as the story goes. And again they recovered this
Speaker 3: envelope and eyeglasses and that becomes evidence. We can we'll
Speaker 3: discuss here, but it's important to note that you know
Speaker 3: these timelines. Again, that's that's it. That's their timeline. Again,
Speaker 3: they shifted these things, et cetera. But you know Ojy's
Speaker 3: seen at his Rockingham estate at ten ten forty five,
Speaker 3: and someone jumped over that wall or made a bump
Speaker 3: on the wall behind the guest house of Kato'kalan at
Speaker 3: ten forty two. These are these are known statements. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: ten forty two. That happens in at ten fifty the
Speaker 3: limo drivers season. So you know, there's only you know,
Speaker 3: we know that that that's something's going on over there
Speaker 3: at those hours, right and against a six minute drive
Speaker 3: between locations. So they claimed, the state claims that he
Speaker 3: went that At ten ten oh three that night, he
Speaker 3: calls his ex girlfriend Paula Barbieri, right, Paula Barbieri just
Speaker 3: happens to be dating Bob Cocaine Evans at this very time,
Speaker 3: although she's allegedly in Vegas, yes, ma'am, although she's allegedly
Speaker 3: in Vegas visiting Michael Bolton. This during the during this
Speaker 3: phone call, so we know that happens at ten oh three.
Speaker 3: We know that Oj. We know that the limbo driver
Speaker 3: gets into OJ's house and pulls in front of his gate.
Speaker 3: At ten twenty one, the white Bronco was parked on
Speaker 3: the side side road next to the property later, right,
Speaker 3: So but the lembo driver pulls onto Brockingham pulls in
Speaker 3: front of the gate ten twenty one because he calls
Speaker 3: his boss and lets him know, we know these things, right,
Speaker 3: so ten twenty one, right, OJ's not leaving her after that.
Speaker 3: So he would have had him been gone before that, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Otherwise the limo driver would
Speaker 3: have seen him despite him, you know, being he would
Speaker 3: have a sneak out of there whatever else.
Speaker 1: But you get yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 3: He would he would have had to come back before
Speaker 3: two ten fifty or ten forty ten fifty, where those
Speaker 3: two sightings occurred or events occurred on his property. And
Speaker 3: then doing that, you know what I mean. Again, it's
Speaker 3: building a timeline where it's just not possible, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So, for example, the state's timeline as
Speaker 3: he murdered these folks between ten thirty two and ten
Speaker 3: forty two. Well, then how's how's he jumping over his
Speaker 3: well ten forty to be seen by the limit driver,
Speaker 3: you know, at like ten ten forty five, ten fifty, right,
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, so these these timelines don't make sense. Again,
Speaker 3: they have witnesses even at the event that they don't
Speaker 3: seem to comport and that they would later discard later. Right,
Speaker 3: So we know that the murders occurred somewhere around those times.
Speaker 3: We also seemingly indicate that O. J. Simpson could never
Speaker 3: this timeline never really got too focused on because of
Speaker 3: the firm in factor.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Firman again blew up the case for everybody where no
Speaker 3: one would know left from right or up from down right.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where a lot of the American
Speaker 3: public sits today because they're so confused on these details
Speaker 3: when the science and the forensics behind all these things
Speaker 3: were pretty cut and dry, you know. That's so Furman
Speaker 3: blew it all up with all his Nazi stuff, and
Speaker 3: the defense played in on it too, and so did
Speaker 3: the prosecution because they didn't report the actual Nazi stuff
Speaker 3: from the Internal Affairs report. They brought in some filmmaker
Speaker 3: from ten years prior that had recorded conversations with Mark Ferman. So,
Speaker 3: you know, very strange stuff there, right, very strange stuff
Speaker 3: with those things. So Furman gets a call. So we
Speaker 3: were talking about the neighbor and the dog, right, with
Speaker 3: this timeline. Right, So Oj gets in the Lino ten
Speaker 3: fifties off to the airport for a pre planned golf
Speaker 3: event in Chicago, right, because it's important because Van Natter
Speaker 3: would claim that there was no pre planned event and
Speaker 3: he fled Los Angeles field red eye flight. That's what
Speaker 3: he wrote in the proble cause statement. It was an
Speaker 3: obvious lie. So pre planned golf outing with the Hirsch
Speaker 3: rental car company and their executives, right, you know, which
Speaker 3: is kind of funny. You know, they would never look
Speaker 3: for a weapon in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: For the case.
Speaker 3: They did, however, they would never know they never searched
Speaker 3: for a weapon there. There was no search for a
Speaker 3: weapon they searched. The only searched for a weapon occurred
Speaker 3: at the O'Hare airport around the Hilton O'Hare airport, where
Speaker 3: Oj stayed that night after he got into Chicago, or
Speaker 3: stayed that morning. They searched the surrounding areas and woods
Speaker 3: up there for a knife, meaning he would have had
Speaker 3: to fly with it up there first of all. Right,
Speaker 3: But you know they never the bloody the bloody clothes
Speaker 3: they found in his room months later, right, and did
Speaker 3: it just appeared like two months after the fact, and
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, we found this bloody sock, it
Speaker 3: was in his bedroom. That's the stuff that turned out
Speaker 3: to have E. D. T A in it, that preservative
Speaker 3: right from blood taking from OJ. So that's an important note.
Speaker 3: So when we go back to this whole Mark Firman
Speaker 3: perjured himself by pleting the fifth about this question of
Speaker 3: planting evidence, which occurred outside the purview of the jury.
Speaker 3: The jury did not get to see that, so they
Speaker 3: were not privy to that information in the trial that
Speaker 3: he that he perjured himself over planting evidence in this
Speaker 3: act depleting the fifth.
Speaker 1: Well, I just found that out let alone the jury right.
Speaker 3: Well, isn't it. But I mean that should be tell
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like when you're telling the jury to leave every circumstances
Speaker 3: like that, like there's tom foolery afoot obviously, oh for sure,
Speaker 3: for sure. So they don't ask van Atter that question.
Speaker 3: When I say, the defense is just as just as
Speaker 3: you know, complicit in these shenanigans as the prosecution. They
Speaker 3: don't ask fan out if he planted evidence. And van
Speaker 3: Atter actually walked around the crime scene with not only
Speaker 3: a blood vial of Simpsons, but a blood vial of
Speaker 3: the two of the two victims from June thirteenth and
Speaker 3: through June sixteenth. No, yeah, and that blood vile was returned.
Speaker 3: Those blood files were checked back into evidence missing some blood.
Speaker 1: What yep, Why am I just hearing about this?
Speaker 3: Well, once again, even the jury didn't get to hear
Speaker 3: about this until after after the case. So this was
Speaker 3: developed during the case. And the top criminologist from the
Speaker 3: from the crime lab there in La County, he testifies
Speaker 3: it was part of the It ends up being part
Speaker 3: of the civil case the following year, even though he
Speaker 3: loses that for some strange reason. But yeah, the I'm
Speaker 3: trying to bring this up here with the criminologists.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So June thirteenth, he flies back from Chicago, right, he
Speaker 3: gets the call in Chicago, says he drops a glass,
Speaker 3: cuts his finger, right, flies back. He voluntarily gives blood
Speaker 3: to van At or van Atters walking around with his blood,
Speaker 3: goes to the court. They find out later he goes
Speaker 3: to the corner's office and gets blood from the two
Speaker 3: victims files of blood. Doesn't check any of that in
Speaker 3: for three days. None of the evidence in this case
Speaker 3: gets checked in until after he checks in that blood
Speaker 3: all convenient. That probable cause statement claims that on June seventeenth,
Speaker 3: the probable calls uh more for rest was issue with
Speaker 3: the problem calls affidavit written by Van Atter. Again, like
Speaker 3: I said, it kept it kept changing, just like the
Speaker 3: Idaho four case, that problem cause just keeps changing. So
Speaker 3: this one also changes in respect that he claims that
Speaker 3: they have DNA test results proving that with Simpson's DNA
Speaker 3: on the scene. This is three days after the murder,
Speaker 3: in less than twelve hours after he admitted the the
Speaker 3: stuff in evidence. Wow, no one knows that at the time.
Speaker 3: They don't know that until later. Right, So the said
Speaker 3: the problem call statement prove to be bunk.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some wild.
Speaker 1: Shit, right, nobody talks about this.
Speaker 3: That's correct, man, you work correct.
Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, when does the high speed chase
Speaker 1: come in?
Speaker 3: So June twelfth is the murder. June thirteenth, he flies back,
Speaker 3: gives the blood. June sixteenth, the evidence has admitted. June seventeenth,
Speaker 3: the warrants issued. He's staying with Robert Kardashian this entire time,
Speaker 3: his best friend who's an attorney. So it's Kardashian. I
Speaker 3: think that only had is the only one who had
Speaker 3: any interest out for Simpson during all of this, Right,
Speaker 3: he's staying over there. Apparently Paula Barbieri's over there as well,
Speaker 3: his ex girlfriend who was then dating Cocaine Bob. So
Speaker 3: that's a strange conundrum because one of the first attorney
Speaker 3: that Kardashian hires on the on the the quote unquote
Speaker 3: dream team I would call the nightmare defense team of V. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson because he may have gotten you know, acquitted on
Speaker 3: the charges, but he still lived the rest of his
Speaker 3: life as a murderer in the public eyes of America,
Speaker 3: which kind of the same thing. So the first guy
Speaker 3: hires Robert Shapiro, Right, Robert Shapiro allegedly compiles the rest
Speaker 3: of the team. That's who Kardashian tells Simpson to hire.
Speaker 3: Robert Shapiro just happens to be the attorney for Bob
Speaker 3: Cocaine Evans back in the nineteen eighty eight hearing for
Speaker 3: the murder of Roy Raidon, who told Evans to plead
Speaker 3: the fifth.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Shapiro then hires Dershowitz, you know Epstein's buddy, Uh huh,
Speaker 3: then hires Aflee Bailey. Afflee Bailey had just skirted charges
Speaker 3: and I ran Contra the year prior because he was
Speaker 3: the head of a bank in Florida that was a
Speaker 3: major epicenter of activity in the BCCI scandal and the
Speaker 3: Drexel Burnham Lambert scandal of the junk bond scandal. So
Speaker 3: they were the number one owner of the junk bonds
Speaker 3: at this bank that Afflee Bailey just happened to be
Speaker 3: the director of that just happened to be the CIA
Speaker 3: drug running bank. Right, come on, and Aflee Bailey said,
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, guys, and then he represented. Next
Speaker 3: thing he does is represent OJ oh my god, that
Speaker 3: junk bond scandal that they were the number ones own.
Speaker 3: So BCCI owned this bank in Miami that Afflee Bailey
Speaker 3: was director of along with the state's attorney for the
Speaker 3: District of Miami down there, they were the co directors
Speaker 3: when the when the when the dominoes fell and I
Speaker 3: ran concertor around Serra ninety three, that's what happened. They
Speaker 3: the directors a bunch of drug money through there through BCCI.
Speaker 3: That bank also owned the largest amounts of like one
Speaker 3: point five billion in junk bonds from this firm, Drexel
Speaker 3: Burnham Lambert by a fellow by the name of Michael
Speaker 3: Millikan and his underling, Leon Black. Leon Black has paid
Speaker 3: out over two hundred million dollars to Epstein victims to
Speaker 3: avoid charges. It's under numerous investigations, including by Congress, and
Speaker 3: entered into a deal against all rules, regulations, and laws
Speaker 3: of the state of Idaho with the University of Idaho
Speaker 3: to finance their procurement of the University of Phoenix.
Speaker 1: J JP it.
Speaker 3: So that's that's the nightmare team of OJ Simpson, right,
Speaker 3: So they don't question God. So don't I mean, if
Speaker 3: you're gonna ask firm and if he plans evidence, why
Speaker 3: you're not Why you're not asking this guy who walked
Speaker 3: around the scene with blood right, with the blood literally no,
Speaker 3: not just OJ's but also the victims, right, And they
Speaker 3: pretended like it was it was normal stuff. It was
Speaker 3: a normal stuff. I'm just trying to I have an
Speaker 3: article where that the that crime lab technician testifies and
Speaker 3: again I can't find at the moment, but yeah, it
Speaker 3: happens after the fact. So again this was shielded from
Speaker 3: the criminal trial, but then later included in the the
Speaker 3: civil trial. So they were like, oh, yeah, we didn't
Speaker 3: tell you guys we had all that blood, because.
Speaker 1: Right, we didn't tell you guys we had all this blood. Like,
Speaker 1: what is going on here?
Speaker 3: So as the story goes, right, they planted the blood
Speaker 3: in the vehicle much later, Right, a lot of the
Speaker 3: like some of the drops of blood gets planted in
Speaker 3: the vehicle much later. I have two clips to demonstrate
Speaker 3: these things from the trial, right from the trial. So
Speaker 3: the things that again didn't get a highlighted because again
Speaker 3: firm and blew with the entire thing up for everybody.
Speaker 3: And again both sides played along. Both sides played along
Speaker 3: with the Furman charade. So they have testimony and eyewitnesses
Speaker 3: ec are saying the blood was clearly not there for
Speaker 3: two weeks, even after the fact in many spots. So
Speaker 3: the only spot that seems to have blood on in
Speaker 3: the car was the rug, you know, initially, so it
Speaker 3: seems Furman. So back to the timeline. So Furman gets
Speaker 3: there first at two two ten, two seventeen or something
Speaker 3: at that two ten in the morning. Murders happened four
Speaker 3: hours prior. Essentially fullet detectives don't show up until four,
Speaker 3: Furman leaves the scene. This this gets this actually gets
Speaker 3: motioned out of the hearing by the prosecution because uh
Speaker 3: and uh, I think it was a Shapiro that wrote
Speaker 3: about in his book. So Furman leaves the scene at
Speaker 3: two thirty. When his partner shows up, he's decided, oh J.
Speaker 3: Simpson has done this. They go to O. J. Simpson's
Speaker 3: property right at two thirty. They call in at two
Speaker 3: fifty three. From there, there's a record of it and
Speaker 3: police dispatch and in the records that got motioned out
Speaker 3: of the court for evidence. They call in at two
Speaker 3: fifty three. He then he's the lead detective. He just
Speaker 3: left the scene of a crime, you know, unsecured. I mean,
Speaker 3: there was other officers there, but he's the lead investigator.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to stay there. They apparently then go back
Speaker 3: to the scene. That's when the lead detectives get called
Speaker 3: at three am. Fan Attur and Lang they show up
Speaker 3: at four and from four to about five thirty, they all,
Speaker 3: you know, they all converse or so you know, they
Speaker 3: take a look at the scene, they converse. Then they
Speaker 3: all drive back over to the Rocky Ham estate of OJ.
Speaker 3: Simpson and instead of waiting for a search warrant. They
Speaker 3: decide they need to jump the fence and get in
Speaker 3: there immediately. This is when allegedly Firman plants the glove.
Speaker 3: So the glove is then is covered in blood. He
Speaker 3: takes it, allegedly takes it and rubs it in the
Speaker 3: carpet of the bronco, goes into the bronco, rubs in
Speaker 3: the carpet of the bronco. This becomes interesting later because
Speaker 3: they can never explain the red fibers that are on
Speaker 3: the bloody glove. This became an issue, right those red fibers,
Speaker 3: in all likelihood came from the carpet of the bronco
Speaker 3: and firm and rubbed it there. Then there's a stick
Speaker 3: in a bag that was used to plant the glove
Speaker 3: on the other side of the fence, on the back
Speaker 3: side of the poolhouse. Right, I got I got a
Speaker 3: video of that of that evidence that are describing this
Speaker 3: here from from the courts rail.
Speaker 2: Here one of the photographs there's a stick that was
Speaker 2: was it.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if it's long, I might
Speaker 1: take another bathroom break really quick and I'll.
Speaker 3: Be right go ahead. Yeah means okay.
Speaker 2: And one of the photographs there's a stick that was
Speaker 2: somewhere around the location. We saw it briefly yesterday. I'm
Speaker 2: not ship was mark. I remember seeing that stick, a
Speaker 2: stick somewhere out in and around Rocking in that morning.
Speaker 2: Yes Where was the stick?
Speaker 6: There was a piece of splintered wood, if that's why
Speaker 6: you're referring to white in color. It was located on
Speaker 6: the parkway adjacent to the bronco.
Speaker 2: Was this stick ultimately booked into evidence by.
Speaker 6: Whom if you know, I wasn't there when it was collected?
Speaker 6: And assuming fun and I believe yesterday we showed some
Speaker 6: photographs that had.
Speaker 2: Some kind of a blue object on the other side
Speaker 2: of the fence. Do you remember seeing that blue object
Speaker 2: at all on the other side of the fence to
Speaker 2: the right of the fence at ed Rockham.
Speaker 6: I didn't recall see any blue object when I was there.
Speaker 2: And did you see a photograph yesterday they had such
Speaker 2: a blue object. I may have seen a photograph. They
Speaker 2: have a fresher recollection at all. Perhaps a few showed
Speaker 2: it to me. I'll mark this as defendis next.
Speaker 3: So as the trial there, the trial of the century,
Speaker 3: and the trial that lasted longer beat out the Manson
Speaker 3: family tried for the longest in La County history and
Speaker 3: the most expensive. Another connection there, so you know that
Speaker 3: dude's even being a dick on the stand. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: if you showed me a picture, and Cockran's obviously just
Speaker 3: explaining how they just showed the guy a picture and
Speaker 3: was presented as evidence. So this is a bag and
Speaker 3: a stick that was apparently used to plant that bloody
Speaker 3: glove across the fence, and they just it was an
Speaker 3: evidence bag and they just fairly left it for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: So but this during this assault on the Simpson property
Speaker 3: between the hours of I believe five thirty and six
Speaker 3: am on the thirteenth, where these this alleged planting of
Speaker 3: evidence goes. So I was I was just describing it
Speaker 3: is this assault at five thirty, this warrantless assault on
Speaker 3: the hopping the fences and gates of Rockingham, a state
Speaker 3: of O. J. Simpson Orenthal James, that is at five
Speaker 3: thirty six in the morning, where this evidence has apparently
Speaker 3: been planting. So by everyone's admission, Furman disappears behind the
Speaker 3: boat house from sorry the guest poolhouse for fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: right the cars parked adjacent to the poolhouse. So again
Speaker 3: he allegedly takes the glove and this evidence bag and
Speaker 3: the stick wipes it down the carpet. Again, these carpet
Speaker 3: fibers are on there. The state can ever explain, and
Speaker 3: then or never cares to try to explain, and then
Speaker 3: throws it over the fence and then they all hop
Speaker 3: the fence, laying van Atter and Furman they're calling folks
Speaker 3: from his kitchen O j Simpson's Orenthal, James Simpson's kitchen.
Speaker 3: They just make themselves know home, sit down and start
Speaker 3: making phone calls. They don't even have a one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So I was gonna say, based on
Speaker 1: that clip, it almost seems like this was like a
Speaker 1: sloppy like they didn't they left the bag with the stick.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then when it was presented to them, they're
Speaker 3: like what what bag and stick? And he's like the
Speaker 3: one we just showed you, buddy, and they're like, a
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to show me that picture, right.
Speaker 1: So the thing about if the glove glove doesn't fit,
Speaker 1: you must have been like there's something to that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean again, this is yeah, this is we were
Speaker 3: we were a lot of things were twisted right, like
Speaker 3: the Manson case. You know, the helter skelter thing hads
Speaker 3: blidity to it. It was twisted right again, there was
Speaker 3: no The forensic evidence in that case is equally as
Speaker 3: shifty as this case. And I was saying, this case
Speaker 3: finally beat out that case for longest and most expensive
Speaker 3: and you know case in La County history.
Speaker 1: Somebody said they left the jacket too. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: So we're to believe, much like the Coburger case and
Speaker 3: I who were believe he's some genius moron who committed
Speaker 3: these crimes right and who perpetrated on the nearly perfect
Speaker 3: event EXCEP were doing all these super super stupid things
Speaker 3: like so OJ does all these things, but then leaves
Speaker 3: a hat and two gloves, one hat and the glove
Speaker 3: at the crime scene, and the glove behind the poolhouse.
Speaker 3: And again these things are silly. The the one even
Speaker 3: at the scene. The glove they find the scene is
Speaker 3: just placed on top of some leaves next to Goldman's
Speaker 3: body that doesn't seem to have any blood on the leaves.
Speaker 1: You're killing me, JJ, because it's been like a point
Speaker 1: of humor in the trial to say, like, oh, the
Speaker 1: glove doesn't fit. You must have quit and it's like
Speaker 1: honestly because it was fucking but it was planted there
Speaker 1: with the stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And again a lot of these details were left
Speaker 3: out because they didn't include that van atter had all
Speaker 3: the the you know. One of the issues that came
Speaker 3: up was the length of time or the chain of custody.
Speaker 3: We have the same issues in Idaho. They when when
Speaker 3: when presented with chane of custody and these recent open hearings,
Speaker 3: the states had none. They said, oh, we did some
Speaker 3: DNA tests. We have no reports. You know, they have
Speaker 3: no reports. We have no reports of finding it, they
Speaker 3: have no reports of admitting things. And the evidence they
Speaker 3: have no you know, they have no visitors logs. It
Speaker 3: seems at least the Oriental James Simpson crime scene here
Speaker 3: they had some visitors logs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't give them that much, but yeah, we do
Speaker 3: seem a lot a lot of the same parallels there there,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, one of which is chain of custody.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: So they it was an issue in the court that
Speaker 3: that the that the evidence was not taken care of properly.
Speaker 3: There was no change of custody. There was evidence left
Speaker 3: in vehicles unbagged for weeks. Right they they hosed down
Speaker 3: the crime scene twelve hours after the murders. Why with
Speaker 3: the I'm about to show you pictures with with the
Speaker 3: they want to I want to see what happened there,
Speaker 3: you know, with the exception of the back gate. The
Speaker 3: back gate was the center of focus because they allegedly
Speaker 3: found some of it O Jay's blood, you know, on
Speaker 3: the back gate, because they allegedly he went out that way,
Speaker 3: even though all reports say they the assailants went out
Speaker 3: the other way, you know, so and and then again
Speaker 3: they put the they have the bloody footprint near the
Speaker 3: back gate, even though there's no blood drops, even though
Speaker 3: they say that he came back in, you know, to
Speaker 3: get the glove and the hat, but forgot and that's
Speaker 3: where enough the footprint. Even though they don't test the
Speaker 3: footprint that's on the envelope of the eyeglasses that Ron
Speaker 3: Goldman brought back from the Nicole Brown Brown Simpsons Mutter
Speaker 3: left at as a lunar restaurant that night. There's a
Speaker 3: bloody footprint on that envelope and they don't test that.
Speaker 3: They don't, you know, there's no test there, so they
Speaker 3: do a lot of that here. They decide what what
Speaker 3: is and there is not you know, valid evidence, but
Speaker 3: the crime scene was definitely cleaned up pretty quickly, pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: Bring up some pictures here, so you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: With all the kind of the stage nature of a
Speaker 3: lot of this evidence, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're you're killing me, smalls. I had
Speaker 1: no idea about.
Speaker 3: Any of this. Well, and statements from the statements from
Speaker 3: the uh, the jurors would even say that, you know,
Speaker 3: they were like, yeah, obviously you know this stuff was
Speaker 3: you know planted.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Man, the bag with this stick, that's gotta
Speaker 1: be like the most dead giveaway, the pack with the
Speaker 1: fucking stick? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Right, it's kind of I mean again, it is sloppy, right,
Speaker 3: but if they're you know, let's it's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff on Ida is sloppy. They wanted, you know, Idaho,
Speaker 3: they wanted the suspect Coburger to plead. They probably wanted
Speaker 3: OJ to play right, even though there was no there's
Speaker 3: just life in prison in California's a death sentence there,
Speaker 3: like it is an Idaho. But nonetheless they're probably forcing
Speaker 3: a plea. Right, So let's get into the forensics here.
Speaker 3: Goldman had defensive wins. This is an article from March
Speaker 3: of ninety five during the trial and lead investigator the O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson double murder trial testified Tuesday that Ronald Goldman has
Speaker 3: apparently in a defensive struggle for his life, but did
Speaker 3: not appear to have hit his assailant. That's what Tom
Speaker 3: Lane once they're to believe. What do you think about that, Julie?
Speaker 3: Do you think he swung a bunch of phantom punches
Speaker 3: it at somebody stabbing him nineteen or twenty times?
Speaker 1: Held to the now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So there's one of his hands and is
Speaker 3: clearly clearly making contact with somebody. So it's not an
Speaker 3: accurate description of what Tom Lane. So we don't get
Speaker 3: these pictures for twenty years after Tom Lang makes that
Speaker 3: comment right under at twenty years Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 3: these things. These pictures weren't released for many years later. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 3: But we can see that ron Goldman clearly was in
Speaker 3: a defensive struggle but clearly made contact with his addressers.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did. Whoa.
Speaker 3: That's the story we get from Tom Lane at the trial, right,
Speaker 3: and then we look at some photos here of mister
Speaker 3: Arenthal J. Simpson. This was taken on June thirteenth, Right,
Speaker 3: this was auror saw this. They're like, we had didn't
Speaker 3: have any marks on his body? He has one cut,
Speaker 3: right he's got Do you see any mark on this
Speaker 3: man's body? I do not relative to those marks that
Speaker 3: Goldman was clearly making. You see why they had a
Speaker 3: claim and that he never made contact with his assailant,
Speaker 3: because had he made contact with his assailant, you know,
Speaker 3: OJ would have some marks on him, right, But he's
Speaker 3: got none. Right, So meanwhile, the actual evidence clearly shows,
Speaker 3: right that he made contact with his assailant and fought
Speaker 3: a bloody battle. Nonetheless, and we can go over some
Speaker 3: of his his autopsy reporter on some of those wounds.
Speaker 3: Let me bring up another picture of l Ron there.
Speaker 3: So when I say he got slashed and stabbed, I
Speaker 3: think it was nineteen or twenty times during the report.
Speaker 3: But you know kind of Oliver's body, so that's in
Speaker 3: his legs. So whoever's stabbing him is I would as
Speaker 3: served as the trained individual with a blade and knows
Speaker 3: exactly where to try to hit an artery in which
Speaker 3: to disable your your your your victim.
Speaker 1: What am I looking at here? His leg?
Speaker 3: That's his left leg kind of right in his pocket.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: Asserid he's going someone who's stabbing is going. Initially was
Speaker 3: planning on going for themoral artery at some point. But again,
Speaker 3: a lot of movement, and this is a very This
Speaker 3: is like a three foot by three foot zone right
Speaker 3: where Goldman's fighting. I would argue two attackers. You can
Speaker 3: see here in this picture the bloody gloves kind of
Speaker 3: just sitting on top of things there at the crime.
Speaker 1: Scene, right, so conveniently, Yeah, and they got some idiot
Speaker 1: in like a gown pointing at it. That's the for me,
Speaker 1: that's one of the first giveaways that it's planted evidence
Speaker 1: that you.
Speaker 3: Know it was pointing at it. That was Furman, because
Speaker 3: he's the first one who I don't he's the first
Speaker 3: investigator on scene. So everything's based on Furman. He's the
Speaker 3: first investigator on scene. He's the first investigator on rocking
Speaker 3: him because he's the first one to jump the fence, right,
Speaker 3: so he's over there two fifty three calling that gets
Speaker 3: excluded from the trial. So the entire things based upon
Speaker 3: all of it, the actions, assertions and activities of Ferman,
Speaker 3: who they try to hide, the state try to hide
Speaker 3: for weeks that Firman was even a so shape with
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 1: Well, there is an identical picture to that in the
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe case where they're pointing at the knocked over
Speaker 1: bottle of pills that she never took. By the way,
Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to my episode for
Speaker 1: more details on that. But they always point to like
Speaker 1: the planted shit, right, I fucking we got, like.
Speaker 3: Yes, we got to get a good picture of this one, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 3: So graphic photo. But there's the deceased body of Golden.
Speaker 3: But you can see on his left leg where someone's
Speaker 3: going for artery to disable him because again he's allegedly
Speaker 3: a martial artist, so he's probably punching and kicking mmm.
Speaker 1: And you think he was fighting off two assailants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one from both sides. Right, so you can see
Speaker 3: the small confined area they cornered him into. I think
Speaker 3: you had one on the left and one right here.
Speaker 3: So this picture is being taken from where Nicole's laying down.
Speaker 3: He never comes over to the steps area. I got
Speaker 3: a better diar. But he never comes over here to
Speaker 3: get her blood on the bottom of his feet, according
Speaker 3: to her their story. Yet the state crime lab found
Speaker 3: on her blood on the bottom of his sneakers.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So this is there's Firman again pointing out so that
Speaker 3: to the left, right here is where where Goldman's laying down.
Speaker 3: To the right is where where Nicole Brown Simpsons land. Now,
Speaker 3: he never made it here, right, I'm saying one assailant
Speaker 3: was here and the other seilant boxed him into that
Speaker 3: back gate area.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So what I assume happened is somebody, like I said,
Speaker 3: there was probably four people. You had a person out
Speaker 3: front watching. You had two folks, uh, dealing with Nicole,
Speaker 3: probably just one distracting hear, the other one you know,
Speaker 3: slicing her from behind. And then while that's going on,
Speaker 3: you have a guy and look at out back. Well
Speaker 3: Goldman walks in. He's walking into a death trap because
Speaker 3: they all just convene in this one corner on him
Speaker 3: and he's stuck. Right. That's what all the evidence shows
Speaker 3: to me. That's when I look at all this stuff.
Speaker 3: That's what the most that's what it seems to have
Speaker 3: occurred here right.
Speaker 1: Right here.
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, who knows right, it's Furman's. But
Speaker 3: you can see all this bloody stuff here from Nicole
Speaker 3: Brown Simpson right, So yes, we got yeah, you got
Speaker 3: her over here. So looking into that from the street,
Speaker 3: this is the front. So you'll see right to the
Speaker 3: right on this picture where the stairs are. If you
Speaker 3: go to the stairs to the right, that's where that
Speaker 3: kills in was for Golden gold Men. And then she's
Speaker 3: laying right here to the left of that and her
Speaker 3: legs are stuck underneath the gate. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: She had come outside and somebody had surprised her to
Speaker 3: distract her, and the other person seems to have come
Speaker 3: up from behind the gate there and just you know done,
Speaker 3: you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, practically decapitated her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's why you can see her laying there
Speaker 3: at the base of the stairs, right, and with her
Speaker 3: feet going off to the left where there's a gate. Right.
Speaker 3: You really can't see whether her feet are underneath the gate, right,
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying, like somebody distracted her to
Speaker 3: the front, well, somebody from the back sliced her up
Speaker 3: and her feet, you know, had gotten jammed up on
Speaker 3: wherever however she died, she was she had to have
Speaker 3: been right up beneath against that gate in order for
Speaker 3: her legs to be underneath that gate by about.
Speaker 1: A foot might all right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Dragger right, mm hmm. But you can see, so you
Speaker 3: can see to her head to the right is where
Speaker 3: Furman was sustaining, pointing, and right there and that's the
Speaker 3: kill zone again with Goldman in that little area. But
Speaker 3: Goldman never comes to this tiled brick over here apparently right,
Speaker 3: but again his his the evidence on his shoes would
Speaker 3: say otherwise.
Speaker 1: So you're thinking he was slipping and sliding all over
Speaker 1: the damned places getting intact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at that point in time, he's trying he was
Speaker 3: probably trying to fight off three assailants, right, because.
Speaker 1: The other guy was that ture off okay, and he's.
Speaker 3: Giving their two problems and making a lot of noise.
Speaker 3: They had a dozen phone calls to nine and one,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry not to nine on one. They had a
Speaker 3: dozen ear and eye witnesses to these events between ten
Speaker 3: thirty two and ten forty two, right when the when
Speaker 3: the dog's seen chasing the vehicle away at ten forty five, right,
Speaker 3: roughly ten forty five, So there's no shortage of reports
Speaker 3: of these things. Again, why not I suspect nine on
Speaker 3: one was called. They claim it was not until twelve
Speaker 3: VHO eight or something like that. And the nine men
Speaker 3: response at twelve seventeen to a robbery, and then the
Speaker 3: neighbor with the dogs like, Hey, my neighbor's murdered. I'm
Speaker 3: glad you guys finally got here. So I don't think
Speaker 3: they're being the same thing. I don't think they're being
Speaker 3: honest about his timeline of events.
Speaker 1: But then now only yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: You can see where her legs are tucked underneath that gate, right,
Speaker 3: mm hmm, So she had to be like standing up
Speaker 3: through that gate or maybe just walk through that gate
Speaker 3: even right, who knows. But nonetheless, she's she seems to
Speaker 3: have been attacked from behind. And again Goldman is three
Speaker 3: feet to you know, north of her head there, and
Speaker 3: again he came in through the back gate allegedly, right,
Speaker 3: so it seems like again he was cornered once he
Speaker 3: walked in there. And this area where she's laying was
Speaker 3: hosed down within twelve hours after the murders after you know,
Speaker 3: within on the thirteenth, the back gate, you know, was
Speaker 3: the focus only because that's the only area they claim
Speaker 3: to have found Simpson's blood the sea.
Speaker 1: So did they ever look at the boot print on
Speaker 1: her to like say for sure.
Speaker 3: That was Ooja, Yes, ma'am. And in fact, they did
Speaker 3: DNA tests on the blood on her body and DNA
Speaker 3: on her fingernails because she ostensibly scratched her attacker when
Speaker 3: he's coming from behind, right, not OJ's DNA either, fernails.
Speaker 3: All right, All right, here is the evidence they had
Speaker 3: against OJ. He sliced again. He sliced his finger right again,
Speaker 3: as probably his own admission, when he got the phone
Speaker 3: call of his wife's murder. And you know, his kids
Speaker 3: were in the home that night, so obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: I would suspect he probably was alarmed. Right Again, OJ
Speaker 3: knows what happened here. OJ was not involved in the murders.
Speaker 3: OJ is definitely associated with all these activities, right, So
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying, like he understands what occurred, right,
Speaker 3: But again, at the same time, like that's the evidence
Speaker 3: they had again, OJ sliced his finger allegedly on the
Speaker 3: glass of Chicago on a trip that was pre planned.
Speaker 3: The van Atda wrote in the PCA, he fled the country,
Speaker 3: he fled the town. He's like he you know, was
Speaker 3: an unplanned trip to Chicago. He fled on an overnight
Speaker 3: red eye after the murders. That was what he was
Speaker 3: put in the problem cause aft of it.
Speaker 1: If if she had like DNA under her nails, and
Speaker 1: Ron clearly put up a fight, So OJ should look
Speaker 1: pretty fucked up at this point, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And he saw the pictures.
Speaker 1: He's got bruising, right, his finger looks nasty, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like I just murdered people with my bare hands. Nasty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like a deep cut from glass to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, you know of this episode, JJ,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're changing my mind on this because
Speaker 1: up until this point they've made they've done a great
Speaker 1: sales job on making everybody think that it's him for sure, No, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, And relative the Idaho case, it's the same deal.
Speaker 3: They have DNA evidence found on the victims under their
Speaker 3: nails that don't match the suspect. They have blood on
Speaker 3: the scene that they never ran through any kind of
Speaker 3: tests and they just out that can confirm it wasn't
Speaker 3: the suspect they having custody. So they have this is
Speaker 3: again another correlation. They have evidence on the bodies at
Speaker 3: the crime scene, DNA blood underfigure nails that would indicate
Speaker 3: there was a struggle with Nicole Brown Simpson, with one
Speaker 3: of the Idaho victims. The state ignores it. In both circumstances,
Speaker 3: they got their guys. Why they had their guy. They
Speaker 3: had their guy at two fifty three when Firman went
Speaker 3: over there, left an active crime scene, went over there,
Speaker 3: and then later jumped the fence without a search warrant,
Speaker 3: violation of Orenthal J. Simpson's constitutional rights. You know, again
Speaker 3: these things are never discussed, right, Like you know, Van
Speaker 3: Atter would testify, well, I felt there was an emergent
Speaker 3: need to go into the house to make sure oj
Speaker 3: was okay. Well, then why the fuck did you make
Speaker 3: yourself at home in his kitchen and start making phone calls?
Speaker 1: That just does not make any sense, whatsoeffort?
Speaker 3: Right, So here's here's a diagram of the crime scene.
Speaker 3: Since it was a little bit difficult to fall from
Speaker 3: those kind of partial, partial, you know pictures. So we
Speaker 3: saw that scene from the sidewalk going forward right, can
Speaker 3: see that here with with the coal laying there the
Speaker 3: scene right here right, we see that on the diagram.
Speaker 3: That's the view we get on the diagram right here
Speaker 3: right looking at the coal right here with their legs
Speaker 3: suck hunter here, like I said, he's he's boxed in
Speaker 3: this little kill zone in like a two by three
Speaker 3: foot area right here right. And again that glove, the
Speaker 3: glove and and and mask or the glove and hat
Speaker 3: right here with you know, laying on top of some
Speaker 3: leaves right and kind of in between the bodies right
Speaker 3: here and along the fence line. I think that's what
Speaker 3: Firman was pointing out now that again this area that
Speaker 3: we're looking at here was all washed up and cleaned
Speaker 3: on the thirteenth. However, the back gate back here north
Speaker 3: of Furman here along this pathway, that's the area where
Speaker 3: they won the area they found Oorenthal James Simpson's blood
Speaker 3: at the scene and claimed that's you know that he
Speaker 3: came back in through that gate to look for the
Speaker 3: bloody glove and the you know, the the hat that
Speaker 3: he that he that he dropped the same stuff that
Speaker 3: was immediately visible because it was laying right there, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, that he couldn't find it. Then
Speaker 3: he drops the other glove, you know, sneaking back into
Speaker 3: his house because the limo driver was there. As the
Speaker 3: story goes, except for once again, these timelines don't match up.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you how do you figure she
Speaker 1: got her feet under the gate.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So she either came through that
Speaker 3: gate and then was startled and then someone from behind
Speaker 3: her is the one who you know, you know, or
Speaker 3: she would walk down and was standing next to that
Speaker 3: gate and startled by something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But either way, she's up against that gate in order
Speaker 3: to get her in my opinion, in order in order
Speaker 3: to get her legs over there, unless someone pulled her there,
Speaker 3: which there wouldn't. There didn't seem to be any evidence
Speaker 3: of that in the blood.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting to me. You're literally blowing my
Speaker 1: mind right now. I mean, it's like, why the fuck
Speaker 1: didn't we look for other suspects?
Speaker 3: If this is what we had to work with, Well,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. It's part of the magic show.
Speaker 3: So Philip van Atter wrote in that probable cause affidavit,
Speaker 3: we confirmed through DNA testing. This is you know, pardon me,
Speaker 3: this is Oorental J. Simpson's blood on June seventeenth. They
Speaker 3: didn't less than twelve hours after he dropped that evidence
Speaker 3: off into the custody of police to process that evidence. Right,
Speaker 3: not to mention they couldn't process that in three days, Right,
Speaker 3: all this DNA stuff. The leading expert in DNA and
Speaker 3: the guy who invented the test in which they used
Speaker 3: was voluntar volunteer to testify for the defense because he
Speaker 3: knew all of these claims by the state was bullshit.
Speaker 3: That man's name was Carrie Mullis. You may know him
Speaker 3: as the inventor and Nobel winner for the PCR test
Speaker 3: that was popularized infamously through the golf Calf twenty twenty shutdown. WHOA,
Speaker 3: So you're go ahead?
Speaker 1: What about this? Did he did? Oj? Was he like
Speaker 1: the mind behind the murders? Because that he also counts now?
Speaker 2: He he?
Speaker 3: I don't think he knew was going down. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying he knew all this stuff that his ex wife
Speaker 3: was associated with, right he You.
Speaker 1: Don't think he could have had this set up?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he had his setup. Now again,
Speaker 3: it's I think it goes back to this upper echelons
Speaker 3: of this process network with Cocaine Bob and this white
Speaker 3: nationalist network and Nazis with with Nazi Fell and Mark Furman.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you asked that question because that's where
Speaker 3: I was going next with us Julia. So when we're
Speaker 3: building those characters, we also have to look at the
Speaker 3: mob too, right, So they're involved, right, So, but they're
Speaker 3: also part of the same you know, when Hair and vice, right,
Speaker 3: you have the mobsters involved in that same network. It's
Speaker 3: all part of the same kind of culty, underground processing
Speaker 3: and network. Right. So the I just want to hit
Speaker 3: a couple of high points on this topic. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: close out with some of those mafia and Cocaine Bob highlights.
Speaker 3: So this was from June fourteenth, nineteen ninety four. And
Speaker 3: uh it says right here, sharp force wounded the neck,
Speaker 3: left side, hit the juggular. Like I said, this was
Speaker 3: a pro who was doing these things. He was going
Speaker 3: for the moral artery in the leg. He hit the
Speaker 3: juggular in the neck. This person knew. Whoever's wielding that
Speaker 3: knife and stabbing Ron Goldman knew what they were doing
Speaker 3: because you got to think about it. They're not only
Speaker 3: receiving blows and defending themselves while doing this, they're also
Speaker 3: still attaining their goal of hitting these these key areas
Speaker 3: of their.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So multiple stab wounds of the chest, Adaman, and left
Speaker 3: thigh that we saw there, penetrating stab wounds of chests
Speaker 3: and Adaman with right chemo thorax and heemo peritonium. So again,
Speaker 3: what I'm getting at again is you're you're you're not
Speaker 3: defending yourself and stabing folks like this and achieving your
Speaker 3: goals and doing it so in a very quick amount
Speaker 3: of time. These are the same problems with the issues
Speaker 3: with the Idaho for they claimed with the suspect there
Speaker 3: that he did these superhero maneuvers and you know, et cetera,
Speaker 3: and a very superhero amount of time. But multiple insize
Speaker 3: wounds of scalp, face, neck, chest, left hand defensive wound,
Speaker 3: multiple brasions upper extremities, hands, defensive wounds. So when Tom
Speaker 3: Lange testifies under oath in court, because it's important to
Speaker 3: note Tom Lane is currently doing YouTube tours and podcast
Speaker 3: tours describing how OJ did it, Wow, it's important to
Speaker 3: note he lied his face off when he said that
Speaker 3: Ron Goldman showed no signs of making any contact with
Speaker 3: his assailant, not just the picture.
Speaker 1: Corner incized wounds of this scout face, neck, chest, and
Speaker 1: left hand. That that's it's not just one area, it's
Speaker 1: multiple areas of defensive wounds.
Speaker 3: Now, yes, multiple, very much so. And again so Ron
Speaker 3: Goldman twenty five years old, one hundred and seventy one pounds,
Speaker 3: five foot nine inches tall from crown to soul. So again,
Speaker 3: this man was allegedly, you know, well versed in martial
Speaker 3: arts to some degree. And I would I would assert
Speaker 3: he definitely exhibited that right and is a fighting off
Speaker 3: what I would claim to. And then three assailants in.
Speaker 1: This in this endeavor, right, yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 3: I suspect it wasn't until that third guy came in
Speaker 3: there that they finally got him under controls. What is
Speaker 3: what I suspect happened? Right, And I suspect, actually I
Speaker 3: suspect the third guy is the because you saw it
Speaker 3: was on his left leg, right that I suspected that
Speaker 3: that that stab wound to the formal artery that got
Speaker 3: him is what took him down. And then you know,
Speaker 3: then they did the rest of the most of the
Speaker 3: rest of it after that, right, But I suspect that
Speaker 3: came in from the third guy who was done with
Speaker 3: Nicole by that point, and then came in from that side,
Speaker 3: right helping out that one guy from that side and
Speaker 3: one guy from the other side. But you know, I
Speaker 3: suspect based upon hisn't that that fight? I mean he
Speaker 3: he put a beating on some people, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So, and you ask why we don't ever
Speaker 3: hear these things, and again out back to this kind
Speaker 3: of Iran contra Idaho contra idea. So as I said,
Speaker 3: Bob Cocaine Evans was dealing with the Medie and Cartels's
Speaker 3: number one dude in America, Karen Greenberger, who's now the
Speaker 3: suspect you know, and that Roy Raiden murdered. That was
Speaker 3: who he's doing cocaine trafficking with there in the eighties.
Speaker 3: She's the number one suspect in her husband's murder, which
Speaker 3: happened six months prior to the Roy Raiden murder back
Speaker 3: in eighty three. I'm sorry, six months prior to her
Speaker 3: arrest in eighty eight, she had murdered the number one
Speaker 3: her husband, the Medians number one dude in America. He
Speaker 3: had just got identified in a court case of Carlos
Speaker 3: later as the number one Median cartel guy. The Pablo
Speaker 3: Escobar and Carlos later start the Median cartel. This is
Speaker 3: the cocaine that was funneled in for the Iran Contra stuff.
Speaker 3: This is the picture in the film Blow. Carlos later
Speaker 3: is the Johnny Depp's buddy in the film Blow.
Speaker 1: Right Whoao, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know the pilot from Florida. In Blow, I suspect
Speaker 3: that's characters based on Larry Greenberger. That's the number one.
Speaker 3: He was identified as the Median cartels number one dude
Speaker 3: in America. Six months later, he was murdered on his
Speaker 3: porch in Lake Cocachebi, Florida. Today, his wife is the
Speaker 3: ex wife Boy's wife. At the time, she sits in
Speaker 3: prison in California for the murder of Roy Raidin. She
Speaker 3: gets charged in eighty eight, six months after his murder.
Speaker 3: She thought the cops were contacting her about that murder.
Speaker 3: They were contacting her about the eighty three murder of
Speaker 3: Roy Raiden. Mind you, this is five years later, right,
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is a lot of hood ratshit
Speaker 3: going on with these people during this time. But nonetheless
Speaker 3: you got Cocaine Bob dealing with the upper echelon of
Speaker 3: all these Medie and I Ran Contra stuff, right. And
Speaker 3: then again you see Iran Contra even on OJ's defense
Speaker 3: team with a fleet Bailey and all. The reason I
Speaker 3: think you see all these correlations from Manson to OJ
Speaker 3: to the Idaho force up is the result of the
Speaker 3: same network, right, just these things are erupting to the
Speaker 3: public surface. For example, the guy who did the biopic
Speaker 3: film of Bob Cocaine Evans's life, right, his biopic documentary,
Speaker 3: The Kid Stays in the picture, Raydon Carter, he was
Speaker 3: the executive producer that Bob hired for the job Cocaine Bob.
Speaker 3: That is, he's the guy running the propaganda campaign against
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger in the Idaho four case. Believe it or not? What? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so Brandon Carter exactly, That's what I'm saying. But the
Speaker 3: reason when we see these things is because it's an
Speaker 3: ongoing network that flies below the surface level society of
Speaker 3: hood rat shit that involves money laundering, drug trafficking, murder
Speaker 3: and cult stuff, right and spooks spooks. Right. So Graydon
Speaker 3: Carter again, executive producer for the kid stays in the picture.
Speaker 3: But he he opened an outlet called Airmail in twenty nineteen. Well,
Speaker 3: they hired Howard Bloom. That outlet, this weird weekly publication
Speaker 3: on the interweb is called airmil hires Howard Bloom. This
Speaker 3: legis famous writer to write this story about how Brian
Speaker 3: Coberger did it. He starts that story the day after
Speaker 3: they bring Brian Coberger back to Idaho on January sixth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. But it's odd that he'd be employed
Speaker 3: by Graydon Carter in this effort at Airmail because again
Speaker 3: he rading Carter was really good friends with Bob Cocaine. Evan.
Speaker 3: So we see the white bronco here, that's Al Collens, right,
Speaker 3: that was the driver. I was going to talk about that,
Speaker 3: but since Ron Bob Cocaine, we'll we'll close out with
Speaker 3: Al Collens and the mob and we'll go back to
Speaker 3: Bob Cocaine in the any other stuff here and while
Speaker 3: we're at it, do you have any thoughts on any
Speaker 3: of that there, Julia?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so convoluted. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: did you ever listen to that podcast called The Clown
Speaker 1: and the candy Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like all of these prolific pedophiles that
Speaker 1: were in network with each other, but they were working
Speaker 1: throughout the entire United It's like John Wayne Gacy and
Speaker 1: like all these guys from Texas and all these guys
Speaker 1: from like Chicago and all over the place. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you look hard enough, there is a spider web
Speaker 1: that's connecting everyone.
Speaker 3: I think you are correct, yes, ma'am. So on that note,
Speaker 3: we see that here with Bob Cocaine Evans, who was
Speaker 3: good friends with OJ, used to always go over to
Speaker 3: Bob's house and play tennis. He's dating Paula Barbieri, the
Speaker 3: woman that OJ allegedly called before he leaves his home
Speaker 3: to go murder his ex wife is the state claims
Speaker 3: at ten oh three am. That ten oh three pm. Right,
Speaker 3: we uh so we see Bob the handiwork of old
Speaker 3: Cocaine Bob Evans in a lot of spots, right and
Speaker 3: again you know from Manson who he introduced Polanski and
Speaker 3: Tate to Idaho, where Graydon Carter's running the propaganda campaign,
Speaker 3: his buddy Graydon Carter, and where Vicki Gooch is the
Speaker 3: lead detective and integral part of the case against Coburger
Speaker 3: from the state and her father was the underling of
Speaker 3: Lieutenant Colonel Paul Tates. So when we speak of this network,
Speaker 3: I think it stays within the network, right they keep
Speaker 3: it confined to contained to the best of anyone's ability,
Speaker 3: But it is it is that connection though with the
Speaker 3: with the Median cartel, the co trafficking cocaine bob and
Speaker 3: this one of the state's lead witnesses. Did we find
Speaker 3: a character named Anthony Fiato. This was the boyfriend of
Speaker 3: of Nicole Brown, Simpson's sister Denise Brown. She was the
Speaker 3: chief witness and the and the domestic violence motivated prosecution
Speaker 3: of Orenthal James Simpson. He was a mafia hitman. What Yep,
Speaker 3: he was a mafia hit man. They even roll him
Speaker 3: into the trial at one point to say that to
Speaker 3: say that van at Or didn't target OJ Simpson and
Speaker 3: he was just the ex husband and that they were
Speaker 3: just gonna investigate anyway. Cops denied statement about OJ. Search
Speaker 3: that was and then again that's that's the state's lead
Speaker 3: witness boyfriend. He's a mafia hit me, right. So back
Speaker 3: to all these the drug trafficking through again the Iran
Speaker 3: contra drug trafficking, cocaine Bob, these mafia Italian restaurants that
Speaker 3: Mezzo Luna and stuff like where Nicole Brown, Simpson's roommate
Speaker 3: was the manager and we're gold Golden Bob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, it never ends.
Speaker 3: Denise Brown linked to mafia enforcer. That's that guy, right.
Speaker 3: She refuses to answer questions about this. Today, she likes
Speaker 3: to do tours for domestic violence, but refuses to answer
Speaker 3: questions about her former hit man boyfriend.
Speaker 1: W and ex her mob executioner boyfriend.
Speaker 3: In her own words, yep, oh, questions of mafia man
Speaker 3: irritate victim's sister. This is that this is the headline
Speaker 3: from ninety five, during during the issue and during the trial.
Speaker 3: So they wouldn't roll him out till January of ninety six,
Speaker 3: near the end of the trial. But again, this is
Speaker 3: a weird confluence of events, right, So if you're you know,
Speaker 3: if anyone was looking at the situation, like, gee, I
Speaker 3: wonder what kind of hit man could have been involved
Speaker 3: in this operation? Home, wonder if it was the state's
Speaker 3: lead you know, prosecution witnesses boyfriend. Oh, we'll roll him
Speaker 3: in later anyway, for a witness anyway, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's just such a right, very strange. Right.
Speaker 1: So you got all these elements going on all the
Speaker 1: way up to the mob.
Speaker 3: Oh, it gets better. Oh, and I'm gonna get right
Speaker 3: back into the mob in one second, because we have
Speaker 3: the director. William Colby's son is a prosecution witness. Carl Colby,
Speaker 3: who from nineteen ninety four nineteen ninety two to nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four was the next door neighbor to Nicole Brown Simpson.
Speaker 3: That Keith Fellow who manages the Mob restaurants of Cocaine
Speaker 3: Trafficking and Kat o'kalen all lived in a home next
Speaker 3: door to Carl Colby, the son of CIA director William Colby,
Speaker 3: who himself would die mysteriously in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: Right, I know a lot about William Colby. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So here's Carl Colby's testimony in the trial. You
Speaker 3: know again, he was a next door neighbor and friend.
Speaker 3: Apparently social socialized with a circle new note new orangethel
Speaker 3: James Sumpson. So when I say when I say, when
Speaker 3: I say I ran contra in this stuff, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? How much Closs. Do you want to
Speaker 3: get than the CIA director's.
Speaker 1: Son testimony of Carl Colby?
Speaker 3: What the fuck right?
Speaker 1: What does he have to do with any of this?
Speaker 3: Exactly? He just lived next door to him, and he
Speaker 3: testified that OJ beat Nicole went during that time over
Speaker 3: there where those nine one one calls and he was
Speaker 3: a dick. Was kind of the thrust of his testimony.
Speaker 1: JJ, No, I.
Speaker 3: Want to say that one. Towards the end, I figured
Speaker 3: you enjoyed that one?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So what about what about? Okay, they've
Speaker 1: done an excellent job making it look like it's OJ right.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he got the CIA director, So well,
Speaker 3: what kind of spen we looking for here? You know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, no. One hundred. But what
Speaker 1: I'm what I was going to say is, if you
Speaker 1: knew you were innocent, but every but you had been
Speaker 1: convicted guilty in the minds of America because of this stuff,
Speaker 1: why would you go on to write a book called
Speaker 1: If I Did It?
Speaker 3: Because I think he knew who you know again, he
Speaker 3: knew who did it, and he knew kind of hell
Speaker 3: how went down? And you know what I mean, he
Speaker 3: wanted to I think he was in. He wasn't a
Speaker 3: bright man. He wanted a profit off it because he
Speaker 3: was broke at the time, right, So I think that's
Speaker 3: kind of oh it grab. You know, it was a
Speaker 3: money grab. So but you asked how this happened, this
Speaker 3: low speed chase. So he's hiding out at Kardashians. They
Speaker 3: charge him on the seventeenth, he's supposed to turn himself in.
Speaker 3: He gets into a car with his old buddy Al Collens,
Speaker 3: and Al Collens is the driver of this white Bronco.
Speaker 3: They drove around town and became a big event. Right.
Speaker 3: Al Collins was the bodyguard to that MafA, that Columbo
Speaker 3: mafia dude, Joey Palito, who was one of the owners
Speaker 3: in that restaurant franchise at the drug trafficking at Mezzaluna.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: I can't make this shit up.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Theya Kardashian and Shapiro tell him to turn
Speaker 3: himself in. Him and Collins allegedly get in the car
Speaker 3: and drive around for the next four hours wherever they went.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That letter that Simpson wrote was alleged
Speaker 3: to be a suicide note. I think that was he
Speaker 3: thought they were going to kill him next.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, Paul Barbieri's on record of being
Speaker 3: at Kardash during those three days from June thirteenth the
Speaker 3: June seventeenth. There Bob Cocaine Evans was probably over there
Speaker 3: too in my.
Speaker 1: Assumption, well yeah, one hundred. Oh my goodness, there's somebody
Speaker 1: in the chat that said, I'm two and a half
Speaker 1: hours late. Did OJ do it or not? No, he didn't,
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate you keeping up with the checks. I
Speaker 3: way behind as always with.
Speaker 1: That, it would appear even in the room. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: doing great, you're blowing my mind.
Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah. I think the timeline again, that timeline on
Speaker 3: oll recapital of the Indre, I think it just indicates
Speaker 3: that there's just no way he could have been there. Right,
Speaker 3: So when we're looking at that's that drug trafficking never
Speaker 3: go out of those restaurants with the Mafiosa's right, So
Speaker 3: we have again other folks that are murdered. Like I said,
Speaker 3: the restaurant closes shortly after the murders, right, this is
Speaker 3: ninety seven, La restaurant made famous the Simpson case closes doors. Right,
Speaker 3: it's the Messaluna part of that franchise, right. But we
Speaker 3: have folks that were that worked at that restaurant, that
Speaker 3: were friends with Goldman, that were that were murdered. So
Speaker 3: we have Michael Nigg is his name, and he was
Speaker 3: murdered in a very Ron Goldman style situation. He was
Speaker 3: a fellow waiter there and likely you know, drug trafficker
Speaker 3: there Massaluna.
Speaker 1: And he also explained that if this was Oj, how
Speaker 1: do you explain why people that were working with Ron
Speaker 1: Goldman at this fucking restaurant ended up dead in a
Speaker 1: similar fashion? How do you explain that? And by the way,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is that really his last name?
Speaker 3: It is Michael Nigg. Yes, I like where your heads
Speaker 3: at because that's exactly where I'm att. And he's not
Speaker 3: the only one. So there's multiple people in the aft
Speaker 3: and the aftermath and preceding kind of preceding events that
Speaker 3: that are connected to this whole, this whole situation. So
Speaker 3: and OJ's friends too, and OJ's mobster buddy Buffalo who
Speaker 3: owns a club in Miami who gets bumped off. I
Speaker 3: think it's twelve days before OJ and that and that
Speaker 3: case has been proved to be bunked through numerous appeals.
Speaker 3: They depended on two dudes. Has been proven that, you know,
Speaker 3: in recent years that those guys did not commit those
Speaker 3: that murder. But again, that's one of OJ's friends. We'll
Speaker 3: get to it in a minute. Kashmir shu Karski's his name,
Speaker 3: and he came to visit OJ shortly before the murders
Speaker 3: actually out in Los Angeles. But yeah, Michael nig Here
Speaker 3: actual name. He worked with Ron there at Messaluna. Right,
Speaker 3: he's murdered. So there, this is during the trial. So
Speaker 3: the trial, during the trial, what oh JJ, And remember
Speaker 3: how I said that they had a restaurant and aspen
Speaker 3: that Nicole and her roommate.
Speaker 1: No, my back, Yeah, you're back. Can you actually go
Speaker 1: back up? Because you cut out when you said it
Speaker 1: happen you died a month after and then it just
Speaker 1: cut out.
Speaker 3: Oh so it was fifteen months. It was September of
Speaker 3: ninety five, but before the end of the end of
Speaker 3: the trial in October of ninety five, right, so a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff was coming out publicly, and this dude
Speaker 3: gets murdered again. He's working at Massaluna, he's going between
Speaker 3: the aspen locations and the Malibu locations, right, like Nicole
Speaker 3: and her roommate Keith the manager, were doing so seemingly
Speaker 3: there's these are connecting points between these drug drug trafficking operations.
Speaker 3: If you asked me oddly enough, I'll say that story
Speaker 3: for a different day. What involves Aspen cocaine trafficking and
Speaker 3: the comedian Joey Diaz and how I suspect he got
Speaker 3: involved in this network. Oh my god, he buys one admittance.
Speaker 3: He was the drug drug meal for Bobby Brown and
Speaker 3: Whitney Houston. He would fly them cocaine around place something.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he came from Aspen. And again we you know, again,
Speaker 3: I identified some stuff around that timeframe with Aspen and
Speaker 3: these folks. So I'm just saying, so this.
Speaker 1: Guy, this guy's clearly involved with something to end up
Speaker 1: dead first off, but it's like it he died. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like seven years later he died. He died during
Speaker 1: the trial.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did, And I got the details mixed up.
Speaker 3: Yet he died during the trial. He got shot. He
Speaker 3: got shot. So Goldman's other buddy. He was also friends
Speaker 3: with Nicole Brett Cantor. He's the one who got stabbed
Speaker 3: a bunch of times Goldman style, and that happened eleven
Speaker 3: months before Goldman. So he was a record executive and
Speaker 3: concert promoter and nightclub owner. Who was one of his
Speaker 3: axi manager was Dion Warwick. So when I said the
Speaker 3: Columbo crime family, there's Deon Warwick connections there and Deon
Speaker 3: Warwick connections because that's first cousins with Whitney Houston. There's again,
Speaker 3: there's more to these stories what I'm saying, perhaps for
Speaker 3: a different time, but Cantor was associated with both Nicole
Speaker 3: and Goldman here and them. Was brutally stabbed and murdered
Speaker 3: on the night of early morning of July thirtieth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety three. Cantre left another nightclub, club four thirty four,
Speaker 3: not the one that he owned, and he was not
Speaker 3: known to have been seen alive after that. Later that day,
Speaker 3: his body was found at his Hollywood home, a short
Speaker 3: distance from his nightclub Dragonfly. He had been stabbed twenty
Speaker 3: three times around the head and arms. His throat had
Speaker 3: been cut almost to the point of decapitation. He was
Speaker 3: given a Colombian necktie, his tongue pulled through his incision
Speaker 3: of his lower jawl as well, the old Columbia. No,
Speaker 3: come on, and we're talking about Colombian drug traffickers here,
Speaker 3: aren't we. The median cartail. Right.
Speaker 1: His throat had been cut almost to the point of decapitation,
Speaker 1: just like Nicole.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had been stabbed twenty three times, just like one.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. And knew both of them, and knew both
Speaker 3: of them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No, right, And he was dating I think it said
Speaker 1: he was dating Rose McGowan.
Speaker 3: Oh he was, Yeah, that's right. He was Danny Rose McGowan.
Speaker 1: That's right, the one who came out with all the
Speaker 1: pedo stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh, the same one that grew up in the Children
Speaker 3: of God called with the Phoenix Kids. And same one,
Speaker 3: that same one that dated Neo process. Remember Marilyn Manson
Speaker 3: who lived in the Tate lol Beionca death House. I
Speaker 3: believe it that shortly well I think I was actually
Speaker 3: shortly before they met. But he lives there again now
Speaker 3: though too.
Speaker 1: So oh JJ, that's gotta be connected.
Speaker 3: I yes, maam, I would agree. This is what you're
Speaker 3: pointing out, I think is evidence of a larger network, right,
Speaker 3: this larger network, it's unfamiliar to us publicly because these
Speaker 3: events are sold to us through this spooky Iran contry
Speaker 3: to who contrary network style stuff, and we're sold these
Speaker 3: details in a fictional fashion to where most of the
Speaker 3: public doesn't know up from down. You know what I
Speaker 3: mean on these subjects, right, this is that criminalists that
Speaker 3: I couldn't find it before where he's walking around with
Speaker 3: the vial, So they don't find out about that until
Speaker 3: May of ninety six. Gary Siglari, supervising criminalists in La
Speaker 3: County Corners Office, said investigators neglected to take very small
Speaker 3: foreign blood droptlets from the slash body of YadA, YadA YadA.
Speaker 3: He goes on to say that that Van Adders got
Speaker 3: the blood vials of everybody because he got Simpson's that
Speaker 3: when Simpson gave it to him on the thirteenth, and
Speaker 3: then he went over to the Corners office to get
Speaker 3: the victim's blood. And that's what they find out after
Speaker 3: after the trial, right after m H I mean, what
Speaker 3: are your what are some of your thoughts where I
Speaker 3: close his home on this mafia stuff here, I just I.
Speaker 1: Can't even begin to tell you all the ways that
Speaker 1: you've shaken my reality.
Speaker 3: Nice I like it it's just.
Speaker 1: On a surface level, it's easy to believe that he
Speaker 1: did it, or his kid did it, or he hired
Speaker 1: somebody to do it, and maybe he wasn't there, but
Speaker 1: he was behind it. Uh, none of that is true.
Speaker 1: None of that can be true based on the forensic evidence.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. And again back to that cleanup operation. So
Speaker 3: this fella, this is a fellow, This guy right here,
Speaker 3: Kashmir butch Casey Sukarski was murdered on June sixth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four, when two mask gunmen burst into his home
Speaker 3: in Mira mar Florida. Back to that Florida connection to Miami.
Speaker 3: This guy was a nightclub owner down there, right him
Speaker 3: and two ladies, two of his strip club strippers, were
Speaker 3: murdered in his home there in this event. And this
Speaker 3: is an article talking about how the forensics were all
Speaker 3: fictionalized that and they depended on these two dudes. One
Speaker 3: of them they let out, the other one. They just
Speaker 3: keep retrying even though they have no evidence against the guy.
Speaker 3: So he's actually a Spanish citizen that's gotten to a
Speaker 3: weird diplomatic event. I've been following as well. But you know,
Speaker 3: this is part of that cleanup crew. So he gets
Speaker 3: murdered less than a week before Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
Speaker 3: And apparently in May of that year ninety four, he
Speaker 3: visited Simpson out there in California. Again, this is his
Speaker 3: buddy from his Buffalo Bill's playing days. He's a mobster
Speaker 3: night club owner from Buffalo.
Speaker 1: So this is wild.
Speaker 3: And then this is uh This came out during the trial.
Speaker 3: Report links Simpson's friend callings to escape mobster. Right again,
Speaker 3: this is the guys that own those restaurants, right, the
Speaker 3: the epicenter of Colombo crime family and Banano crime family.
Speaker 3: But this is a fellow by the name of Lorenzo, right,
Speaker 3: Lorenzo and Ippolito. These they were the two two dudes
Speaker 3: that are that were involved in that mix. One was Colombo,
Speaker 3: the one was Banano. So Andrew Russo was the was
Speaker 3: the you have well, actually have you have Andrew Russo,
Speaker 3: you have you have a Joey Eppolito, and you have
Speaker 3: a third guy which is uh uh I forget his name. See,
Speaker 3: the two main guys were Russo and Ippolito. So Russo
Speaker 3: is Colombo and you can see him at his own wedding.
Speaker 3: He's got James con there in the front of this
Speaker 3: image back in the seventies. They go way back because
Speaker 3: it's when Andrew Russo gets busted con puts up his home,
Speaker 3: his Malibu home for for bail for the guy. Again,
Speaker 3: he's he's got a minority interest in that restaurant group
Speaker 3: in one of the one of the locations of the
Speaker 3: pizza place in Beverly Hills, but it's at Ballito who
Speaker 3: Al Collings is the the Columbo guy. Al Collings is
Speaker 3: his bodyguarden driver. So the guy who's driving you know,
Speaker 3: Simpson around on this you know, slow paced mascarade around
Speaker 3: Los Angeles that day in June seventeenth. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: even involved in the mix.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh my god, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Right? I mean, we were all kind of sold Al
Speaker 3: Collings as the guy of the driver. They don't. No
Speaker 3: one really said much about it, and even when it
Speaker 3: was ran in national media, no one really touched on.
Speaker 1: It, you know, because it was like, don't look over here.
Speaker 3: Yep, I suspected, go ahead, Well, what what.
Speaker 1: Is exactly did they say about mess A Luna closing?
Speaker 1: Was it shortly out after the trial?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the trial ins in October ninety five, and
Speaker 3: they close. I think in March of ninety seven they're
Speaker 3: closed still, the owners sold, and he went into the
Speaker 3: gas in its free he's Elevenese felt that's a different
Speaker 3: story altogether.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say there's something going on with that too,
Speaker 1: because all of this is linked, even the closing of
Speaker 1: the restaurant, and like Ron Goldman and then running coke
Speaker 1: and doing whatever, like this is all important.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. And again I think it's all. But
Speaker 3: you're getting the coke from the Median cartel through like
Speaker 3: folks like Bob Cocaine, Evan's friend Karen Green, murder and
Speaker 3: co conspirator and murder Ry Raidin. You're getting your coat
Speaker 3: through there, you know. And they're going to cover up
Speaker 3: her husband's murder for thirty plus years, even though she's
Speaker 3: in prison today in California. Forty raidings. You know, you
Speaker 3: don't want to start letting cats out of bags because
Speaker 3: suddenly things start, you know, getting real weird. And you
Speaker 3: find athlete Bailey running a CIA drug running bank out
Speaker 3: of Miami that is deeply invested in a junk bond
Speaker 3: scanal out of Wall Street, right involving the likes of
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's friends.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, my god, didn't you feel bad?
Speaker 3: Just freeze your brain hole? Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like his night That's why I called his nightmare team, right,
Speaker 3: like they may got him off, right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but not really, dude, I would have won, still.
Speaker 3: Live his entire life under this.
Speaker 1: I would have went to dying on the hill saying
Speaker 1: that he did this.
Speaker 3: Right. So I actually have one more video as we
Speaker 3: close this out and plays this one more video on
Speaker 3: the forensic evidence that the demonstrates he did not do this.
Speaker 3: So this guy actually a tow truck driver. I guess
Speaker 3: for some regard. He had to move the he had
Speaker 3: to move the white Bronco from the police m pound
Speaker 3: lot two weeks after the murders, right, and he testified
Speaker 3: that there was no blood on that door. And and uh,
Speaker 3: this is a clip from the trial where he's emphasizing
Speaker 3: that even though Marcia Clark, the scientologist lady, is demanding otherwise.
Speaker 6: The first photographs do you labeled as a shows the
Speaker 6: driver's panel with the numbers twenty one, twenty two, and
Speaker 6: twenty three.
Speaker 5: First, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Show it to you, sir.
Speaker 1: And ask you if you were looking for little sears
Speaker 1: of blood like those marked in the markers of twenty
Speaker 1: one and twenty two and twenty three d to perform
Speaker 1: that question Sustainable Press question.
Speaker 4: E.
Speaker 1: The red substance near twenty two the number twenty two, Okay,
Speaker 1: and you see this is the red substance.
Speaker 2: Here's twenty one.
Speaker 1: You see the red substance here twenty three.
Speaker 6: Listen, now, if you were told, sir, that this photograph was.
Speaker 2: Taken on June the fourteenth, a week prior to your getting.
Speaker 1: Into the bronco, would it change your opinion or your
Speaker 1: testimony any that you did not see any blood on
Speaker 1: the driver's door took to performing that question.
Speaker 2: Or the fact that I noticed, well so day that
Speaker 2: I seen the Bronco, there was no blood.
Speaker 7: You saw no blood in any of these areas?
Speaker 1: Is that in testimony search?
Speaker 2: Can I just put you up? Sure?
Speaker 4: I can tell you that I didn't see any blood here.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any blood here.
Speaker 3: This might be possible, but I didn't see anything.
Speaker 1: With the witness that just said shooting.
Speaker 3: So based upon that evidence, you can see the guys
Speaker 3: moving to the carbe slayers and that wasn't there. And
Speaker 3: the fact that they had blood vials and then blood
Speaker 3: and later was missing from those vials, you know, so
Speaker 3: I presume the blood was transferred to a new vial
Speaker 3: right planted later.
Speaker 1: It makes me want to go back and watch the
Speaker 1: trial again from start to finish, knowing what I know now,
Speaker 1: because they were clearly planting stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, for sure, one hundred percent. And even the
Speaker 3: jurors have made statements today saying that we knew that
Speaker 3: that's part of their deliberations. There's one juror she's like,
Speaker 3: we never discussed race. We talked about firm and plant
Speaker 3: and stuff and that or plant and stuff and how
Speaker 3: aj clearly didn't do it. But again, it's how these
Speaker 3: things were packaged to us. So the jurors aren't talking
Speaker 3: race even though there's clearly racial considerations in these matters.
Speaker 3: And this is after high racial tensions in lah.
Speaker 1: JJ. Well back, yes, you said they didn't discuss race
Speaker 1: because clearly they were planting stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, like a couple of the jurors statements, they
Speaker 3: make it to the effect of we knew they were
Speaker 3: planting stuff and named Firman and van atter and they're like,
Speaker 3: we understood there was racial tensions. Again, this is the
Speaker 3: time after Rodney King and the riots and everything in La.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was just a bad coincidence that
Speaker 1: this all happened around that time.
Speaker 3: I think the folks that were perpetrating these crimes that
Speaker 3: do so in a manner in which to create social turbulence,
Speaker 3: in a manner that's so chaotic, they have to have
Speaker 3: a boiling point and build up, so that we saw
Speaker 3: that boiling point and build up with Rodney King the
Speaker 3: La riots, and the breaking point was supposed to be
Speaker 3: this case, and it's they didn't achieve their goals. I
Speaker 3: don't think, right, mm hmmm. It's that helter skelter concept
Speaker 3: of the processed church is kind of theology right of
Speaker 3: creating cast which is based upon it's based upon the
Speaker 3: Tavistocks social turbulence research.
Speaker 1: That's I mean to me, that's always played a part
Speaker 1: in it too, because I was like, they gave him,
Speaker 1: they gave him like a mostly black dury and it
Speaker 1: was in the middle of some crazy shit and it
Speaker 1: was like, of course they're gonna find him innocent, and
Speaker 1: he got away with it, and da da dad.
Speaker 3: They made a mockery of it, absolutely absolutely think and
Speaker 3: again I think you can look at the evidence right,
Speaker 3: the timeline of events, even as sold and what was known,
Speaker 3: and you know, the the you know, the censorship of
Speaker 3: some of the witnesses didn't fit that, the ignoring of
Speaker 3: the evidence that didn't wasn't OJS. The DNA under the
Speaker 3: nail of Nicole Brown, the blood on her body, that
Speaker 3: wasn't OJ's. Right, we see them redesigning the entire scene
Speaker 3: by saying, on Goldman never came over there towards Nicole,
Speaker 3: you know. And yet the blood on his feet. He
Speaker 3: had blood on her blood and his blood on the
Speaker 3: bottom of his sneakers.
Speaker 1: So dude, he definitely slipped in that blood or walked
Speaker 1: through it.
Speaker 3: And then for sure, and we get the evidence that
Speaker 3: he did make contact with his assailants twenty years after
Speaker 3: the fact. But during the hearing we get mister Tom Lang,
Speaker 3: who's currently doing YouTube tours, convincing everyone and even though
Speaker 3: Ojy's dead and we're still trying to convince folks, warrenhal
Speaker 3: Jamis Simpson did it. This is the guy who testified
Speaker 3: under Rose saying that Goldman never made contact with his assailants.
Speaker 3: Yet the coroner's reporting all photographs clearly dictated.
Speaker 1: Otherwise that's just absolute travesty of justice. Yeah, I mean so,
Speaker 1: and obviously we'll never know who really did it.
Speaker 3: That's that's probably true, Yes, ma'am, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, just in summary, what do you think
Speaker 1: was the motive to kill these two?
Speaker 3: So I think there is an argument being made by
Speaker 3: Steven Singular's sorts from the LA District Attorney's office who
Speaker 3: notified him as part of this white nationalist underground movement
Speaker 3: that was actually spawned from a meeting in Hayden Lake
Speaker 3: near Sandpoint, Idaho. Mind you, three of the victims live
Speaker 3: within a ten mile radius of where this meeting took place.
Speaker 3: According to the LA Prosecutor's office, this is the same
Speaker 3: area where the Order was in a shootout with the
Speaker 3: FBI back in I think nineteen eighty four over the
Speaker 3: murder of Allen Berg and a number of bank robberies
Speaker 3: on their previous domestic terrorism campaign. Right in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: So fast four d to ten years right. According to
Speaker 3: the LA Prosecutor's office, they were repeating that same plan
Speaker 3: via a same meeting at the same location from ten
Speaker 3: years prior to in the wake and the ten year
Speaker 3: anniversary of Allenberg's death, which occurred I believe a week
Speaker 3: prior to the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson, according to
Speaker 3: the investigation done by the La County Prosecutor's office. According
Speaker 3: to Stephen singular in the until he received from them
Speaker 3: and took to the defense, and the defense told him
Speaker 3: to go fuck himself, you know. They told him that
Speaker 3: this was all a network, you know, and it was
Speaker 3: connected to these campaigns, and they were gonna they wanted
Speaker 3: to kill a white woman who who was a race trader,
Speaker 3: as they put it, and they were you know, looking
Speaker 3: to to you know, again the way the way it
Speaker 3: was described as singular in the way he reports in
Speaker 3: his book, there a legacy of deception about Mark Furman,
Speaker 3: who was printed during the trial. Again because everyone after
Speaker 3: the deputy prosecutor notified him all this stuff, and he
Speaker 3: contacts the defense and everyone told him to go fuck himself.
Speaker 3: He's like, well, I'm gonna write this then, so that's
Speaker 3: why he did, and six months later he published it.
Speaker 3: And so this was a whole network embedded with folks
Speaker 3: in government like Furman, who, according to numerous reports, was
Speaker 3: wearing Nazi memorabilia underneath his you know, I'm sorry Nazi
Speaker 3: rank underneath his lapel. Got fired for being an ardent Nazi.
Speaker 3: A report was written during the trial, a trial where
Speaker 3: he perjured himself, pled the fifth, got a felony, created
Speaker 3: a disaster for everybody. And I think that was his
Speaker 3: goal from moment one. So not only was it the
Speaker 3: Chadok event of the murder of this white woman, right
Speaker 3: who he chose And I'll get to that in a second. Firman,
Speaker 3: I believe is the one who selected the victim and
Speaker 3: all this. He's apparently a very powerful figure, according to
Speaker 3: that report and Steven Sinkler's book, a powerful figure within
Speaker 3: this network, right, this Nazi network, right, and again he
Speaker 3: lives up there today and his commenting on the Idaho
Speaker 3: four case. Numerous victims are from that area. One of
Speaker 3: those victims her uncle, her dad's brother. Ardent Nazi. Make
Speaker 3: this up? Come up, cannot make this shit up. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to phone. I'm trying to find a real
Speaker 3: picture of it because I muppetized. Hey, yeah, I'm uppetizing,
Speaker 3: but I m moopotize everybody anymore, especially the Outaho four case.
Speaker 3: But this is him wearing a Nazi uniform addressing a rally.
Speaker 3: And I leave twenty ten, I changed you know, this
Speaker 3: is the real I'm just describing. This is a real uniform.
Speaker 3: I just gave him muppet head and I wrote coburger
Speaker 3: is innocent and spray paint on the back wall, just
Speaker 3: to be a you know, jackass about it. But that
Speaker 3: is one of the victims uncle. And again that's you know,
Speaker 3: he's not from that area. He's actually from the Portland area.
Speaker 3: But you know his niece and his brother up there
Speaker 3: in that San Hayden Lake area just north of Corterline
Speaker 3: or just north of Cortland, Idaho, same place Furman lives,
Speaker 3: same place, the orders from same place. Allegedly the meeting
Speaker 3: took place in nineteen ninety four and nineteen eighty four
Speaker 3: to hatch these nationwide domestic white nationalist terror events. And
Speaker 3: again there's a lot to be said about these things
Speaker 3: because incorporated, and I think in that nineties movement was
Speaker 3: the key Ho Brothers. You remember that shootout in Wilmington, Ohio,
Speaker 3: the key Oh Brothers. They exchanged shots with the Ohio
Speaker 3: State Police from a distance of I believe nine meters,
Speaker 3: like sixteen shots and no one gets hit. Well that
Speaker 3: do you know the name Israel. No one gets hit.
Speaker 3: Do you know the name Israel Keys, serial killer from
Speaker 3: Alaska to Vermont and back? Lots of Oh well, well,
Speaker 3: I'll have to get educate on him sometime here soon. Man.
Speaker 3: But Israel Keys and the Keyhoe brothers just happened to
Speaker 3: grow up with each other in Idaho. So there's a
Speaker 3: lot to be said about these Come on, there's a
Speaker 3: lot to be said about these things.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said about serial killers in
Speaker 1: general and murders in general. I mean, the person who
Speaker 1: killed uh Nicole might be a serial killer.
Speaker 3: But we'll never know, right Sam. When we were looking
Speaker 3: at this network though, I mean we're we're looking at
Speaker 3: parts and pieces of this network. We're trying to describe
Speaker 3: a network like blunt, like that the old Buddhist principle
Speaker 3: of the six blind men, you know, holding different parts
Speaker 3: of the elephant, describing the elephant in which they can
Speaker 3: describe it because they can't see you, they can only feel.
Speaker 3: But whether they're not seeing the bigger picture of this
Speaker 3: giant creature, right, And that's kind of what we're describing here.
Speaker 3: You're describing a tale. I'm just describing a trunk or
Speaker 3: a foot, and we're missing the entire thing. But I
Speaker 3: think that entire creature revolves around by largely around a
Speaker 3: fellow by the name of Bob Cocaine Evans, who, having
Speaker 3: all these teens from Manson said OJ to Idaho, you're
Speaker 3: gonna find old Cocaine Bob, and you want to look
Speaker 3: to why things don't get We don't know about these things.
Speaker 3: One of his closest associates, Uh, Henry Kissinger. You know,
Speaker 3: one of the men say anything's last security? Come on, ye,
Speaker 3: Arry Kissinger, Henry Kissinger's right hand man, retired major general
Speaker 3: from the Air Force, Prince Scowcroft, his assistant, started one
Speaker 3: of the neo process cults, a fellow by the name
Speaker 3: of J. J. Bryan.
Speaker 1: Wow, dude.
Speaker 3: So we got forty years apart, we got process surrounding
Speaker 3: one dude, Henry Kissinger, and none of than Cocaine Bob Evans.
Speaker 3: And it is Cocaine Bob that went into business with
Speaker 3: the Columbo crime family whish to produce the film Godfather.
Speaker 3: So when we're seeing those Columbo characters later in the nineties,
Speaker 3: he's had associations with them for twenty plus years.
Speaker 1: By that point in time, Where the fuck did this
Speaker 1: guy come from?
Speaker 3: Oh? Cocaine, Bob, none of em. In Westchester County, New York.
Speaker 3: The EPP Center, it's a den of iniquity up there.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's much that comes out of there
Speaker 3: that's worth worthwhile.
Speaker 1: Wow, this guy is legit like behind everything.
Speaker 3: I think he's a major character. And again, I think
Speaker 3: that's why Maury Terry stopped his his active Son of
Speaker 3: Same investigation in the early nineties and concentrate on the O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson case, because he saw all the hallmarks of Bob's
Speaker 3: were cocaine, Bob and that ordeal.
Speaker 1: Wow. I wonder if McGowan looked into this at all
Speaker 1: because he was a fan of Maury Terry.
Speaker 3: It was McGowan that I learned about the blood files
Speaker 3: from van Atter and weird seeing inside the Canyon.
Speaker 1: Oo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he also is the one
Speaker 3: who reports that van Atter was on scene at the
Speaker 3: Tate Pulanski come as well as a rookie officer.
Speaker 1: The Tate Polansky and the four on the floor connection too,
Speaker 1: is blowing my mind.
Speaker 3: Which that's yeah, and that's Tom Ling again. These guys
Speaker 3: are you know, they're just they're doing they're working together,
Speaker 3: not necessarily always immediately together. But they're on the same cases,
Speaker 3: and all these differ major events and running bag man operations.
Speaker 3: And again, I would be remiss if I was talking
Speaker 3: about the Tate Planski murderers, Cocaine Bob and I didn't
Speaker 3: at least make a final considerations for one of my
Speaker 3: favorite characters in the Idaho case, and that is Victoria Gooch,
Speaker 3: who I like to call aka the Gooch. So she's
Speaker 3: at ISD detective Who's who's involved in all the integral
Speaker 3: evidence in the case, this fictitional case against pictitional case
Speaker 3: against Brian Coburger. Right. Her father was Paul Taate, US
Speaker 3: Army intelligence protege for numerous assignments over many years. They
Speaker 3: moved to the Bay Area. At the same time, her
Speaker 3: father went undercover for many for like three years. She
Speaker 3: never saw them. Paul Tate's undercover at the same time,
Speaker 3: allegedly investigating his daughter's murder, actor Sharon Tate. Sharon Tate
Speaker 3: murdered by the Manson family. Two of the officers the
Speaker 3: first officer on scene at o at the Simpson Goldman murders,
Speaker 3: Richard Waller was one of the early officers on seeing it.
Speaker 3: Tate Polanski, the lead detective at van Atter one of
Speaker 3: the early officers on seeing it Tate Polanski and again
Speaker 3: that's the Gooch's father's mentor was Paul Tait there in
Speaker 3: US Army Intelligence. And you know Bob Cocaine Evans is
Speaker 3: the one who broke her, that Tate Polanski marriage. And
Speaker 3: we see you know, folks from Rosemary's Baby, like Charles
Speaker 3: Grodin selling this this oj narrative. You know, he gets
Speaker 3: a start courtesy of Bob Cocaine. We see James conn
Speaker 3: hiding the mafia figures involved with the drug trafficking. Right,
Speaker 3: He's in business within the restaurant business. He gets his
Speaker 3: career thanks to Bob Cocaine Evans. You know, so we
Speaker 3: you know, I think all these things.
Speaker 1: Are sister is.
Speaker 3: Right, a mob.
Speaker 5: Hitman Anthony Fiato, Anthony Fiato and that like that's just
Speaker 5: a coincidence.
Speaker 3: And once everything falls out in the case, right, you
Speaker 3: know they call him man as a witness in the
Speaker 3: case in January of ninety five. I think it's a
Speaker 3: Jena the case slate in the case. That's too much, right.
Speaker 3: And then back to the Manson case, you have Angela Lansbury,
Speaker 3: her daughter, she signed a letter for her daughter to
Speaker 3: be into the guardianship of Charles Manson. Her believe was
Speaker 3: fourteen year old daughter, So her fourteen year old daughter
Speaker 3: was a member of the Manson family. When the Manson
Speaker 3: family gets charged, Charles and some of his girls in
Speaker 3: text Watson and get charge. Angela high tails it back
Speaker 3: to the homeland of Ireland. Right, but she's obviously famous
Speaker 3: for murder, she wrote, right, and again, you know this
Speaker 3: is my depiction of the gooch because she's a murder
Speaker 3: mystery writer herself. Strangely, and again, it's her father that
Speaker 3: goes right back to that tape Plansky murder.
Speaker 1: Come on, she is a murder novelist.
Speaker 3: She teaches classes on murder mystery fiction.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. She'd be great at it, right.
Speaker 3: I think she is to think she's the one who's
Speaker 3: largely scripted this bullshit narrative round coburger. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: falling apart.
Speaker 1: But this is too much. Jj.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I could change your mind there, Julia. I
Speaker 3: know it's been a lot of information. I wish I
Speaker 3: could keep up with the comments. It looks like the
Speaker 3: folks of the interwebs have enjoyed our discussion here on
Speaker 3: these nos. Do you have any closing statements or any
Speaker 3: I know I've kept your long time here this evening.
Speaker 3: I appreciate everyone's time and attention. Do you have any
Speaker 3: closing statements on some of these ideas or just your
Speaker 3: general thought on the events around OJ scientology, this ongoing
Speaker 3: criminal enterprise that seems to revolve around drug and traveicking
Speaker 3: hood rest shit.
Speaker 1: Well, when we started this episode, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope you can change my mind, and you definitely have,
Speaker 1: so congrats JJ Vance not vice president. I would say
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson did.
Speaker 4: Not do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think his sun did it. I don't think
Speaker 1: you know, he paid somebody to do it. All of
Speaker 1: the you know, the theories out there. I will say
Speaker 1: whether or not Nicole was actually a dude, that's still
Speaker 1: up for debate. I mean, whether she had a penis
Speaker 1: or not, she definitely got murdered, or she's Megan Kelly.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to consider if she's a dude, but I'm
Speaker 3: also equally as happy to consider she might be Megan.
Speaker 1: Kelly, right right, right right. I mean this was incredible.
Speaker 1: I feel like I learned so much. I don't know
Speaker 1: about anybody in the comment section. But I can tell
Speaker 1: you straight up, I enjoyed every minute of it, and
Speaker 1: the time passed so quickly. I looked up and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we've been going three hours.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It doesn't even feel like that.
Speaker 3: That was my reaction. I was like, holy shit, I've
Speaker 3: been talking about I didn't realize that, but I.
Speaker 1: Didn't even feel like that because I looked up and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh damn. I mean that's a lot
Speaker 1: of information and actually a pretty short amount of time.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody else enjoyed it as much as as
Speaker 1: I did. But damn, I mean the bag and the stick, bro,
Speaker 1: all this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's nuts, right because again, that stuff was presented at
Speaker 3: real time in the trial, and we were just all
Speaker 3: distracted and other these talking heads from Bob Cocaine Evans
Speaker 3: buddy Charles Groden to a scientologists great a ancestral to
Speaker 3: Charles Manson's buddy at Ryiner to doctor Phil who's likely
Speaker 3: a scientologists. You know, these people all forgot about They
Speaker 3: all sold us as raw bill of goods on how
Speaker 3: to actually they framed this stuff in there, you know,
Speaker 3: in a manner in which to convince us you know
Speaker 3: that our own eyes are deceiving us. And I think
Speaker 3: that's kind of part of what it's about, right, convincing
Speaker 3: folks that what you're seeing with your eyes and ain't
Speaker 3: that ain't real? What I'm telling you is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like literally, you can't believe your own eyes even
Speaker 1: though it's right in front of you.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of their goal in creating social turbulence.
Speaker 3: And look where we're at today. Look how much folks
Speaker 3: believe whatever is told. I mean ninety four, I recall folks.
Speaker 3: Folks were skeptical in the eighties. My grandmother said, don't
Speaker 3: ever believe anything you see on TV. I said, you can't.
Speaker 3: She didn't graduate high you know, she didn't graduate high school.
Speaker 3: She's an uneducated lady from Pikeville, Kentucky. But I tell
Speaker 3: you one thing, she was brilliant, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So well, my family was going on. My family is
Speaker 1: also equally. My grandma and grandpa are from Butcher's Creek, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and they were They didn't graduate high school either, and
Speaker 1: they were some of the smartest people I know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go. And I just I saw
Speaker 3: a comment I wanted to address her real quick. I'm not,
Speaker 3: by no means am I trying to advocate or White
Speaker 3: Knight for Orental James Simpson. The guy was into some
Speaker 3: hood rats shit.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 3: He knew exactly what went on all these things, and
Speaker 3: as I demonstrated, socialized with all these weirdos, including Cocaine Bob.
Speaker 3: They were good friends, apparently.
Speaker 1: Comment I like that comment. OJ is still a piece
Speaker 1: of ship. But I don't think he did it anymore.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm That's.
Speaker 3: A great way to put it. That's a great way.
Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely still is a scoundrel in a
Speaker 1: pos as the comment said. But I mean he didn't
Speaker 1: kill her. I mean he just didn't.
Speaker 3: Sorry. Yeah, and again I think we're you know, part
Speaker 3: of it is convincing us that again we're not seeing
Speaker 3: Oh there's kine, I see there's or we're not seeing uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the full picture because we're being directed in
Speaker 3: this magic show somewhere else. Right, follow the widget and
Speaker 3: shiny objects.
Speaker 1: And helter scale.
Speaker 3: You're going to tell you what we're seeing. Yeah. Again, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they bastardize that. Right, There is an element to that
Speaker 3: that was accurate and true, but they're bastardizing it later
Speaker 3: to twist it and you know, pervert it right.
Speaker 1: And to not one hundred one hundred.
Speaker 3: I think the same thing goes through all the Audaho stuff.
Speaker 3: We can apply everything we discussed tonight and apply it
Speaker 3: to Idaho, and it is the exact same framework, and
Speaker 3: as I've demonstrated, include some of the exact same people
Speaker 3: that go over all the way back to Cocaine Bob
Speaker 3: and all the way by major figures the problem, the
Speaker 3: major propa and this major propaganda's Cocaine Biles Buddy, the
Speaker 3: lead detective, the daughter of Colonel Paul Tait's protege, who
Speaker 3: appears have gone undercover with Colonel Paul Tait himself, that
Speaker 3: her her law Enforcemententtor Victoria Gooch, is a cousin of
Speaker 3: Mark Furman, just saying so fucked up. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 3: you've enjoyed these details of Julian. I definitely appreciate your time,
Speaker 3: and I'll give you some more one more time for
Speaker 3: closing statements. But I forgot I dropped this one on you,
Speaker 3: and it was included in the trial. And I don't
Speaker 3: want to belabor the point, but uh, Mark Furman was
Speaker 3: demonstrated to no personal details and likely, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: intimate details of Nicole Brown Simpson's life, including the size
Speaker 3: of her new augmented breasts in the in the schedule,
Speaker 3: the schedule of her children's custody with with the Orangal
Speaker 3: j Simpson. So he knew the intimate details of her life.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot more to that story.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel
Speaker 1: like I didn't even contribute very much to the episode
Speaker 1: because there's no way I can prove him guilty.
Speaker 3: Well, you're bringing the questions. You're the one who started
Speaker 3: this conversation. Like I said, I'm happy to address all
Speaker 3: these subjects because it's very relevant today. But when you
Speaker 3: mentioned that to me the other day, I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm happy to answer any of your questions, and you know,
Speaker 3: take a baseline of your understanding of it, and then
Speaker 3: we'll Yeah, you and the folks at the interwebs, how
Speaker 3: that didn't work out that way and we've all been
Speaker 3: sold our fucking bullshit magic show around.
Speaker 1: OJ did it and he did absolutely absolutely wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: Laurie in the comment says, I'm with Julia, Now I
Speaker 1: know he didn't do it. That's right, man.
Speaker 3: Nice He didn't. Yeah, that's again, I'm happy to I'm
Speaker 3: happy to have these conversations. The same shit's going on.
Speaker 3: I'd argue it's the same spooky network of trafficking activities,
Speaker 3: cult and hood rat shit and involves white nationalists, politicians, police,
Speaker 3: law enforcement attorneys, and again are fun filled characters from
Speaker 3: OJ like Mark Furman, who's there loud and proud on
Speaker 3: TV telling them everyone Brian Coberger did it despite zero
Speaker 3: evidence supporting such claims. Oh my god, bag men are
Speaker 3: going to bag though, right, especially the Nazi.
Speaker 1: Bag man going to bag That's right.
Speaker 3: I never asked for Himan, Like, hey, it says here
Speaker 3: you're a felon, and it says here you got fired
Speaker 3: for force returning because you're a Nazi. No one ever
Speaker 3: asks some of these questions. Yet he's on TV all
Speaker 3: the time. And as I showed you, those are documented facts.
Speaker 3: I mean, he signed the plea agreement. I mean it's.
Speaker 7: He could have fought it, I guess, so it wouldn't
Speaker 7: get very far. He perjured himself for sure. So do
Speaker 7: you see what I'm saying is like, this is kind
Speaker 7: of the framework we've been seeing since sixty nine. They're
Speaker 7: ninety four Onto twenty twenty two involves a lot of
Speaker 7: the same characters with tentacles going back all the way
Speaker 7: to those other scenes, right, and again a lot of
Speaker 7: its scientology process stuff if you asked me.
Speaker 3: But I'm not the only ones. They work with other parties,
Speaker 3: the Mafia, the Nazis, you know, there's you know they convene,
Speaker 3: you know, the spooks, right. You know it's like Perma
Speaker 3: Decks Permadeck's the the old board that was at the
Speaker 3: center of the JFK investigation of Jim Garrison. You had
Speaker 3: Joseph Banano, crime boss from New York City, who's one
Speaker 3: of his guys. Bonano guy was the or Hippolito. I
Speaker 3: believe it was the Banano guy there. Joey Appalito in
Speaker 3: the in the drug trafficking the OJ case. Andrew Russo
Speaker 3: was the Columbo guy. So you have you know, Joseph Banano,
Speaker 3: Roy Kohane, who accorded to David Burke, which is a
Speaker 3: member of the process, right, and then you have Clay Shaw,
Speaker 3: a CIA dude who was at the center of the
Speaker 3: Garrison investigation. They were on the board together, right. So
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is we're seeing these different facets. We
Speaker 3: have examples of them all working together in the past,
Speaker 3: seventy years ago, sixty.
Speaker 7: Years ago, you know what I mean, seventy years ago
Speaker 7: and today and today we're still going like I don't
Speaker 7: know what's going on here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: This is some you know, people are blaming them mafia,
Speaker 3: they're blaming the Nazis, They're blaming the colts, they're blaming
Speaker 3: the proli called or whatever, you know, blaming the spooks
Speaker 3: with the irene contrade who contra there, It's all the same,
Speaker 3: you know, We're all talking about the same elephant, right hyeah.
Speaker 3: So that's what that's what concerns me about these topics
Speaker 3: is we're still being afflicted by these today in our society.
Speaker 3: You know, folks like Brian Coburger or being a railroad
Speaker 3: in the systems. I can't imagine the number of folks
Speaker 3: have been relroaded under these pretenses of this network of activity.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I could. I know that it's not thating
Speaker 3: what he wants to say, but you know, that's why
Speaker 3: I think it's relevant. I appreciate your time and understanding
Speaker 3: and open mind on the subject. What's your biggest takeaway?
Speaker 3: You think then we can close out on that and
Speaker 3: then any anything you're working on, because I know it's
Speaker 3: three hours plus and I appreciate your time, Julia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've enjoyed every minute of it. I think
Speaker 1: for me, just the forensic evidence not adding up the
Speaker 1: connections between everyone involved, right, and the timeline doesn't add
Speaker 1: up down to the driver in the low speed chase
Speaker 1: being connected. I mean, JJ, it's too much. It's too much.
Speaker 3: It's literally everybody, right, including the prosecution's witnesses, are clearly involved,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said earlier, the bag and the
Speaker 1: stick and all that, the when the car was impounded,
Speaker 1: nobody saw any blood on it. Then the files are
Speaker 1: missing for three days, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: blood's everywhere.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, yeah, the files are missing for
Speaker 3: three days and all of a sudden, bloods everywhere, and
Speaker 3: the evidence finally gets emitted into evidence after that, and
Speaker 3: then they immediately arrest him, claiming in the problem cause
Speaker 3: affidavit that they had DNA evidence to support this rest.
Speaker 3: They did not. They did not. That's the same case
Speaker 3: with Coburger. They did the same thing in Coburger, with
Speaker 3: the same PCA nonsense and adapting it later they say
Speaker 3: they didn't have that shot.
Speaker 1: Well, doesn't it make you want to look at other
Speaker 1: famous true crime case and I wonder if the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: actually did it, Like do you think, for example, this
Speaker 1: one came up recently for me and I just want
Speaker 1: your opinion, Scott Peterson, do you think he did it
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. I think Edward Edward's in
Speaker 3: the same network of Hand of Death style cult network
Speaker 3: is involved in that, just like that's who I think
Speaker 3: perpetrates these cult crimes that we're discussing right is, as
Speaker 3: Henry Lee Lucas explained the Hand of Death, he's describing
Speaker 3: an actual network he was not at the charge of.
Speaker 3: I think at the top of that, that Hand of
Speaker 3: Death assassin network, you'll find a man by the name
Speaker 3: of Edward Wayne Edwards.
Speaker 1: You think he was involved in lacy In, Scott.
Speaker 3: I think if he didn't have his direct hands in it,
Speaker 3: it's somebody within his assassin network back. He's more like
Speaker 3: a military commander of assassins of you him as and
Speaker 3: the folks like Henry lu Lucas under him or his soldiers.
Speaker 3: If he didn't do it, they used the same playbook
Speaker 3: to frame people, right, So it's the same case with
Speaker 3: Scott and Lacy Peterson. There's a very limited, circumstantial case.
Speaker 3: The timelines don't match up. The prosecution bends and twist
Speaker 3: narratives that throughout the entire prosecution and case and investigation.
Speaker 3: It seems to be a very occult, ritualistic homicide. And
Speaker 3: I don't think Scott Peterson did it, But what I
Speaker 3: will say is, much like OJ, Scott Peterson is a
Speaker 3: fucking scumbag. Here's a bolden scumbags activities and found himself
Speaker 3: as a result of it. You're not going to convince
Speaker 3: me that a man who is the number one fertilizer
Speaker 3: dealer in California apparently for this huge fertilizer company, maybe
Speaker 3: even the nation. He's the number one salesman and he
Speaker 3: works in meth Desto, California. Modesto the capital of myth,
Speaker 3: they call it meth Desto, and fertilizer just happens to
Speaker 3: be using the production of myth. So you're not going
Speaker 3: to vince me there's not a direct connection there.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's it just interests me because if
Speaker 1: do it to OJ, they can do it to anybody.
Speaker 1: It's a point, and they can convince you. Even someone
Speaker 1: like me, who is skeptical of everything, can be convinced
Speaker 1: that the motherfucker did it.
Speaker 3: I agree, you know you're right. I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: follow in from buyding of the magic show. You're paying
Speaker 3: attention to the circus here and believe in it, believe
Speaker 3: in the hype because again it's well designed. It's a
Speaker 3: magic show. Intentionally, I would argue it's actual magic, and
Speaker 3: they're doing it with an operational plan. From the beginning.
Speaker 3: This was an operational plan to establish these talking heads
Speaker 3: like Charles Groden, like gread of Ancestor, and like Ira Reiner,
Speaker 3: like doctor Phil these folks that folks would believe these
Speaker 3: these high profile crime events from like we got Nancy
Speaker 3: Grace today even though we didn't have her back then.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying there's been evolutions of these characters. Ashley Banfield,
Speaker 3: she's doing she's doing a lot of the propaganda for
Speaker 3: Idaho for so the stuff that's written in that air
Speaker 3: mail article series. She then takes and reports on news Nation,
Speaker 3: this weird news program that showed up on the interwebs
Speaker 3: right around the time of the murders, you know, so
Speaker 3: she and she got her start in the OJ case
Speaker 3: out of Vegas doing the national media on that for
Speaker 3: I believe CNN. So we see these figures built up
Speaker 3: and then sold to us as a general public to
Speaker 3: believe these storylines. These are trustworthy people, They're gonna tell
Speaker 3: you the truth. And again there was an operational plan.
Speaker 3: I think there was an actor at OJ with the
Speaker 3: onset of this televising these trials.
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred absolutely.
Speaker 3: Said I don't ever, I don't ever, I don't ever
Speaker 3: blame folks for buying into the hyper though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that, that's the thing is
Speaker 1: they've they've done a bad, sloppy job, but an amazing
Speaker 1: job at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yep, I would agree with you on that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's only so much they can do when you're trying
Speaker 3: to control narratives and stuff, and you can't plan in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four for the birth of the interwebs, right,
Speaker 3: even though the birth of the interwebs is kind of
Speaker 3: connected to Moscow, Idaho, and in the case of they're
Speaker 3: in a weird way through Dharpa and stuff, but it's
Speaker 3: a different story altogether. But what I'm saying, you can't
Speaker 3: account for some of these factors right in the future, right,
Speaker 3: but you can. You can account for some factors like
Speaker 3: never asking Mark Furman why he's a fella Nazi, why
Speaker 3: anyone cares about his opinion.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can account for that, and they do account
Speaker 3: for that. But they're just there's some some factors they
Speaker 3: can't account or some of them. A lot of fuck
Speaker 3: ups get fucked up trying to cover up the fuck up,
Speaker 3: if you will.
Speaker 1: So it's just a you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: couldness said it better. That's perfect.
Speaker 3: That's the way I look up. We look at these
Speaker 3: things like people are brilliant, their ponies things. A lot
Speaker 3: of times they're fucking up and then they fucking cover that.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, and again we're sometimes we get
Speaker 3: focus a little bit too much credit on things. So
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of stuff that did get
Speaker 3: account of foreign here, a lot of stuff that didn't.
Speaker 3: But I mean, in the end, they pulled off their goal, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, one hundred, one hundred.
Speaker 3: I mean, as sloppy as it was in hindsight, they
Speaker 3: pulled off their goal. Again, we didn't know that that
Speaker 3: that Goldman made contact with his assailants, because.
Speaker 1: Tom Lane, the guy who's doing for twenty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tom Lane's doing two media tours right now,
Speaker 3: saying Athol James Simpson did it. Yet he clearly led
Speaker 3: under Ruth, much like his buddies van at Or and Furman.
Speaker 3: But once again, Ojay's dream team, or as I would claim,
Speaker 3: nightmare team, did not ask Van Adam nor Lang if
Speaker 3: they planted evidence. Why would they never do that? Why
Speaker 3: would they concentrate in Furman? Right? So they played They
Speaker 3: played into all this stuff too. Again, I think the
Speaker 3: only person that cared about oj on that team was Kardashian. Again,
Speaker 3: he's the one who hires Shapiro. Shapiro hires the rest
Speaker 3: of the scumbags. And you know, I don't think o
Speaker 3: j had any you know again, I don't think he's
Speaker 3: a brilliant man.
Speaker 1: You know it's not a rocket, No, definitely not. You
Speaker 1: married a tranny for Christ's sake.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy you should. We should definitely do that
Speaker 3: in the future, whether or not she's a man, will
Speaker 3: have those conversations. I also like to discuss them much.
Speaker 3: She's begging Kelly two individuals. I understand both have cocaine problems,
Speaker 3: began Kelly and Simpsons exactly. All right, Well, Julie, I
Speaker 3: appreciate I appreciate your time, and folks of nwebs appreciate
Speaker 3: your time here this evening, and I hope other folks
Speaker 3: have captain open mind on the topics of Warrenthal, James Simpson,
Speaker 3: these syops and this what I would argue, this hood
Speaker 3: rat spook network of Iran manson Iran contra to Idaho contra,
Speaker 3: that we that still plagues our society today. And you know,
Speaker 3: I think understanding it and identifying these things is step one,
Speaker 3: because seventy thirty twenty years later, we shouldn't just be
Speaker 3: figuring out well, shit, that was all bullshit, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But it's that it's that Henry Kissinger
Speaker 3: national security style. You know, we live in you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like we're we live in this kind
Speaker 3: of you know, these ideas of national security since nineteen
Speaker 3: forty seven, folks, three folks can stamp things national security.
Speaker 3: You're looking at one of them, Henry Kissinger, for numerous presidents,
Speaker 3: and then we don't know things right, so we don't
Speaker 3: really have freedom of speech in this country. We haven't
Speaker 3: since the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, which
Speaker 3: I would argue as a exclusively Nazi venture. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm happy to discuss all the you know, conspiracies around
Speaker 3: Nicole Bran because again, I think, you know, once you
Speaker 3: start breaching the surface of this weird underlying network of
Speaker 3: our society with these characters, I mean, it gets weird
Speaker 3: pretty fast. So you don't think I think all bets
Speaker 3: are off. I think there's a lot of things that
Speaker 3: are possible one hundred.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm down to do whatever. Hopefully I'll be
Speaker 1: back on Operation GCD to discuss another cult classic movie
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, we're gonna do that next month, and
Speaker 3: I believe it's gonna be So. I married an axe
Speaker 3: murder all right, all right, nice, all right, because he
Speaker 3: got a lot of the proto hippie stuff with the
Speaker 3: beat Nicks, you got a lot of some serial killer stuff,
Speaker 3: et cetera. There's a lot going on there, a lot
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm.
Speaker 3: So if do you have anything you're working on before
Speaker 3: I plug some of my stuff here when we close
Speaker 3: this thing out for folks, again, great conversation will definitely
Speaker 3: be jumping down the rabbit holes again in the future.
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time, Julie.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be back on No Plug whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear about Robert the Doll. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's kind of you know, I was supposed
Speaker 3: to do this last Sunday, Robert the Doll struck in
Speaker 3: the format of my dog getting through my startling satellite cable.
Speaker 3: And then, uh, that trends continued as he decided he
Speaker 3: wanted to trample me there, uh in this week here
Speaker 3: and uh, we're we're on a walk and dude, just
Speaker 3: you know, ran full speed in the back of my
Speaker 3: knee and just you know, buckled me down and lit
Speaker 3: up my spine injuries like a Christmas tree. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm managing. I'm just saying. I'm just saying these things
Speaker 3: send to happen when I when I start talking about
Speaker 3: Robert the Doll, because you know, my dogs not does
Speaker 3: never normally done something like that, and he doesn't. You know,
Speaker 3: he's chewed through a corp before, but it's you know,
Speaker 3: he was doing some puppy business at that time, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So who knows. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: Robert the Doll come up this Sundy the Curse of
Speaker 3: Robert the Doll. I'm, uh you know, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: kind of a deep dive into the history of Robert
Speaker 3: the Doll, other folks curses relative to my experiences with
Speaker 3: a curse, and uh you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, as you can tell, I immediately get
Speaker 3: to I don't like talking about him again. And once
Speaker 3: I start talking about him and playing a show, a
Speaker 3: bunch of weird shit happens.
Speaker 1: And your dog literally tries to Nicole Brown.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mark this dude. I'm gonna take him out. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I just so that's my trink went up this this
Speaker 3: Sunday at eight pm Operation GCD Sundays. That'll be a
Speaker 3: link in the description of the show notes. I got
Speaker 3: of your your links there as well, Julia, But uh,
Speaker 3: I got that one coming up. And then I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do doing I'm doing a lot of murder here. I'm
Speaker 3: gonnaw my Sunday series because I'm doing uh Buffalo Jared
Speaker 3: Revez the show the following Sunday and then the following
Speaker 3: Sunday after that, I'm going to be getting into a
Speaker 3: two part series on a fellow that I encountered in
Speaker 3: Great Falls, Montana, a cannibalistic, uh kid diddling, uh psychopathic,
Speaker 3: homicidal serial killer who may or may not have fed
Speaker 3: me a human burger at Hardy's two thousand.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: His name's Nathaniel bar Jonah. I would later come face
Speaker 3: to face with this man. He is pure evil. I
Speaker 3: could see it in his eyes in the Cascade County jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So apparently he worked at Hardy's on the late night.
Speaker 3: And that's the way somebody eat at Hardy's on Central
Speaker 3: Avenue on the late night. And uh, especially when I
Speaker 3: was unk, which was most of every day of the
Speaker 3: week that I was off work, and and uh yeah
Speaker 3: so and then I would later encounter this fella in
Speaker 3: the Cascade County jail and I came out of eye
Speaker 3: because I was mouthing off to the cops, and they're like, like,
Speaker 3: we got a way to deal with you, buddy. I
Speaker 3: got pulled her for DUI and I wouldn't do any tests,
Speaker 3: and they were already upset with me about that. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you guys can be but her take your test elsewhere.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it, Like, we'll lock you up next
Speaker 3: to the fucking kid diddling, cannibalistic, psychopathic serial cut. I'm like,
Speaker 3: and I then you know, of course I didn't keep
Speaker 3: my mouth shut. I'm like, you guys are fucked up. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Wait when is this coming out?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's gonna be in three weeks now. Next Sunday
Speaker 3: is gonna be uh the Legends of Buffalo Jared Visa,
Speaker 3: which is uh, my former stalker and try he tried
Speaker 3: to be my pr rep. And this is before he
Speaker 3: went on a trance apocalypse multi state stabbing spree and
Speaker 3: today alleged, allegedly sits today in the Bridgewater State Hospital
Speaker 3: in Massachusetts, despite his court cases not being available on
Speaker 3: the public dockets. So I don't have that the guy
Speaker 3: he murdered. It's important that the guy he murdered hired
Speaker 3: him as his pr rep. Just saying J. J.
Speaker 1: Vance, not the vice president, but the Forrest Gump of
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory community.
Speaker 3: That uh that, ma'am. I will accept that. Uh, that
Speaker 3: their title and we're proud of So this is the homicidal, cannibalistic, psychopathic,
Speaker 3: kid diddling serial killer in Great Falls, Montana. That may
Speaker 3: or may not have sent me human fed me human
Speaker 3: burgers at Hardy's in the late night.
Speaker 1: Serious, you look at that double chin. That is the
Speaker 1: double chin as somebody who eats human burgers.
Speaker 3: Oh, big time, big time that waddle. He also apparently
Speaker 3: fed him up at a local church barbecue. So I'm
Speaker 3: steing I got back from Saudi Arabia. I'll close on
Speaker 3: this one. I'll close you out on this one for you.
Speaker 3: So I get back from Saudi Arabia. So so I
Speaker 3: married an axe murder Michael Myers character film, his mother
Speaker 3: learns of a serial killer. You know that he ends
Speaker 3: up marrying from the Weekly World News, as she calls it,
Speaker 3: the paper. I'm standing in a grocery store in Great Falls, Montana,
Speaker 3: about five years after that film there, So four years,
Speaker 3: you're two thousand and one. He was five years or
Speaker 3: so called June of two thousand and one. I just
Speaker 3: got back from a four month deployment to Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: in the Air Force, standing in the grocertore line. There's
Speaker 3: the tabloids and it says Montana man murders child. I
Speaker 3: literally just got home the day before Montana man murders
Speaker 3: child and feeds him up at church barbecue. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: come on, I'm in Montana. I opened it up and
Speaker 3: the tagline of the article says great Falls. I'm like, fuck, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: fuck you, I'm in Great Falls, you know, like I'm
Speaker 3: going ship. I'm the public too, you know. And I
Speaker 3: go on to read it and yeah, this dude, Nathaniel
Speaker 3: bar Jonah killing folks kid diddling. He was a gender
Speaker 3: at school. He was already a kid diddler in Massachusetts,
Speaker 3: changed his name somehow, got a job at an elementary school.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot, a lot to be said
Speaker 3: there A that'll be a fun tale.
Speaker 1: JJ, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: So I definitely recommend folks check that out, checkout to
Speaker 3: pieces podcasts and some of our collaborations on the Occult Rejects,
Speaker 3: and any last statements before we before we call it
Speaker 3: call her in.
Speaker 1: Here, JJ Vance Now the vice president has eaten actual ass.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to come back in the future.
Speaker 3: And no, thank you, I appreciate it. We'll definitely definitely
Speaker 3: be back here in the future as a guest for sure, Julie,
Speaker 3: appreciate your time and conversation and don't vote for me
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