WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.399 Baby, you are my game statue. It takes a lot 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:06.599 of tangle. You don't want to mess with me. 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:15.359 Mess with me baby a gangstato. Ohuch, baby, you're a 4 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:16.359 game statoo. 5 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.760 For good warning, this podcast is designed to take you 6 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:29.800 outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 7 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:31.879 Listening discretion is a vibe. 8 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:44.079 The fellas. This ain't my first time at the rodeos. 9 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:04.359 HM, how did folks your host double jback here coming 10 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:10.640 at live slash Live from my studio slash RV dining 11 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:17.439 room located directly inside America. Welcome back, folks of the 12 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:23.319 innerwebs once again JJ Vancier, host of Operation GCD and 13 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:30.000 perhaps more notably not not the vice president anyhow, Folks 14 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.359 of the innwebs. I will be your pilot navigator. Oh well, 15 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.359 thanks for joining us here tonight, Folks of the Innerwebs. 16 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:38.799 I will be your pilot and navigator for this Shenanigan 17 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:43.359 infused journey into the mind of this particular garbage can 18 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.319 dude and uh i' mkno going to a lot of you. Folks, 19 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.640 got a real barn burger on deck here tonight before y'all. 20 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.599 OJ Simpson did not do it. The Great OJ Debate 21 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.959 and I'll be joined here tonight with Cosmic Peach. Julie 22 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.719 is a host of Comic Peach podcasts. So thanks thanks 23 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.040 again for joining us here tonight, folks of the interwebs 24 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:11.400 to get a little GCD, and welcome Julia Cosmic Peach, 25 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.879 host of the Cosmic Peach podcast and fellow occult reject 26 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:17.360 Hi doing this se even Julia, thanks for joining me 27 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.199 here to get GCD Little GCD tonight. 28 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:25.639 Yeah, barn Burner, Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. This is 29 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:29.879 gonna be a good one, especially because, as we were 30 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.120 kind of saying before we got started, I'm actually hoping 31 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.759 you can change my mind because as of right now, 32 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.080 I do not think or I do think he did it. 33 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.280 I do think he did it. So if you can 34 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.240 change my mind, that would be great because I love 35 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:51.400 a new kispuarc theory. 36 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.800 I like it. I like it. No, I appreciate you 37 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.639 joining me here. We'll have a nice conversation here. I 38 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.400 use debait to the term debate very sparingly, very loosely, 39 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.919 because uh, I'm afraid we'd have a roundtable discussion on 40 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.400 the points were of the the OJS. The murders of 41 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.280 Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman that were attributed and 42 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.159 colloquially known as the O. J. Simpson murders, despite he 43 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:18.439 was acquitted for these charges by a court, you know, 44 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:21.439 a jury of his peers, and I have some statements 45 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.800 from those jurors here throughout the evening, and some of 46 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.400 the forensics that I have problems with, and the the 47 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.240 litany of characters involved in these in these circumstances, notably 48 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.879 a lot of them surrounding one of my favorite characters 49 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:36.479 here at Operation g c D, the legendary Hollywood producer 50 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:41.080 Cocaine Bob Evans. So that'll be exciting. So no, it's 51 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.639 you definitely use the term debates sparingly. So well before 52 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.000 we get started, though, Julia, since this is your first 53 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.319 time at Operation g c D, why don't you share 54 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:52.240 with everybody, your folks of the interwebs about your podcast 55 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.759 anything you want to plug. I'm obviously being a smart ass. 56 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.599 They accused you of being a guest for the first 57 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:57.280 time last week. 58 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.159 Yeah, no, I was gonna say, this is the first 59 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.280 time I've been on by myself, so I guess that's 60 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:08.680 that is the first. But yeah, no, thanks for having me. 61 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.800 I have Cosmic Peach Podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts, 62 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:14.759 and on Patreon. If you do want to work with me, 63 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:18.000 you can find my link tree to get to my 64 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:23.399 email on Instagram and that's Cosmic dot Peach dot podcast. 65 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.199 Don't send me a message on Instagram, go to the 66 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.879 link tree, hit the email button, send me an email. 67 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:38.759 The inbox on Instagram is just like loaded with garbage, 68 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.399 and it would be impossible to sift through all that stuff. 69 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.800 So I love working with new people. I'm always down 70 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.759 to join a conversation, but just email me. That's the 71 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.839 best way to get a hold of me. And yeah, 72 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.279 oh look at this, give me a break, No way, 73 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.600 OJ innocent. See that's what I'm talking about. You're gonna 74 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.680 have to sell me JJ, You're gonna have to solitude. 75 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.040 A lot of folks have a lot of opinions. So 76 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.720 you know, as far as I'm concerned, the only OJ 77 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.040 related debate that should be had if you consider all 78 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.519 the facts of the circumstances, the only OJ debate left 79 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.480 is the OJ debate of pulp or no pulp. 80 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.800 Ooh, I would go with Poulp. 81 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:22.879 I'm a no I'm a no polp guy. Myself but oh, 82 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:28.199 I'm obviously being Jackassen sarcastic there, because you know, I 83 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.759 think what we're what I'm saying when it's polarizing, And 84 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.079 that's the only OJ debate that's really left. In my opinion, 85 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.000 it was this. This was an event that was intended 86 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:40.040 to be polarizing, right, kind of like kind of like 87 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:44.040 the Manson family murders were polarized, and kind of like 88 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.839 the Idaho for murders that occurred at the University of 89 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.560 Idaho on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. That's also a 90 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.439 very polarizing event. And you know, lo and behold these 91 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:58.079 these circumstances and events, despite you know, being thirty years 92 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.240 apart in each circumstance, Right, you got the Manson family 93 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.720 murders in sixty nine, you got the Nicole Brown Simpson 94 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.319 Golden murders in ninety four, and then you got the 95 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.560 Idaho murders in twenty twenty two. Right, despite these large 96 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.480 swaths of time and great distances between these events, they 97 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.639 are strangely interrelated. And I've done a couple of comparisons 98 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.199 on the Idaho four case to OJ here on Operation 99 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.839 GCD Live, and I've discussed some more of the parapolitics 100 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.959 surrounding that, with the connections from some of the characters 101 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.319 in the Idaho case, like the lead Idaho State Police 102 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.519 detective Vicky Gooch and her direct connections back to the 103 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.680 Manson family murders. Are you familiar with that? True? No, 104 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:44.279 so with that. So one thing I talk about here 105 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.639 a lot is the Idaho murders here on my podcast. 106 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.920 In fact, Nick and I have done probably twenty some 107 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:51.759 hours on the subject, but I've done a lot more 108 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.360 just the para politics that I see connected to it 109 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.920 and and how that case has evolved. My thoughts have 110 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.480 evolved from, you know, not necessarily a simple murder, but 111 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:06.680 you know, something more to a large scale parapolitical boondoggle 112 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.720 involving the likes of Jeffrey Epstein's friends Sam bankin freed 113 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.079 and money laundering, drug trafficking, and basically what I like 114 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.680 to call Idaho contract because I compared it to I 115 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:17.480 ran Contra. 116 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:18.720 Right. 117 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:24.079 But the lead detective Idaho State Police, no one knew 118 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.000 this lady was so integral. Right. So the murders occur 119 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:31.319 in November twenty twenty two. The reports, not even the reports, 120 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.279 but here public hearings because a lot of the case 121 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.519 is sealed, right, So finally public hearings two years later, 122 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:43.079 we learn this lady in Idaho State Police Detective Victoria 123 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.480 Gooch was so integral and the interviewing of one of 124 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:49.920 the surviving roommates in that case and the actual DNA 125 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:54.680 investigation leading to the alleged suspect Brian Coburger. Right, Well, 126 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.319 her father was a was the protege of Lieutenant Colonel 127 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:07.279 Paul Tait, US Army Intelligen What yeah, fucking whose daughter 128 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.439 Sharon Tate actor Sharonate was murdered a command murders, right, 129 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:14.639 So this was this turned out to be a seminal 130 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:19.199 event in Victoria Gooch's life. So her father and they 131 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.399 had she the way she tells the story and an 132 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.040 interview she did about her kind of your history, right, 133 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.000 she says that her father and you know, they traveled 134 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.399 to numerous army assignments, you know, with her father under 135 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.399 the command of Pultate US Army Intelligence. So they go 136 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:38.600 from Greece to Chicago to then she says, California where 137 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.960 her father then in nineteen seventy begins a tops you know, 138 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:44.799 some sort of top secret job where she doesn't see 139 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.519 him for you know, long periods of time, you know, 140 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.919 months at a time, for the next few years. Right, Well, 141 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:53.600 in nineteen seventy, his boss, Pultate was went under cover 142 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.799 in the hippie movement to investigate his daughter's death. Sharing 143 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.480 Tate grew his hair out long and went under cover. 144 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:02.080 So they moved to San Francisco Bay at the same time. 145 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.679 So I presume whatever Victoria Goutch's father was doing wasn't 146 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:09.759 support of his boss Faultic. So yeah, And she describes 147 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.000 how this gets her into law enforcement and how she 148 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:13.879 was not allowed to go back to Berkeley College after 149 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.320 she moved to Idaho. So a lot, a lot of 150 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:19.639 strange stuff there in that connection. And unpacked some more 151 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.840 of these connections later. But when we're talking to manson 152 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.919 case in the OJ case, there are some direct connections there. 153 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.840 So the first officer on scene on the OJ case 154 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.720 was a fellow by the name of Richard Wally right, 155 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.919 and he was he was a he was a junior 156 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.320 officer on the scene at the Tate Plansky house. Work 157 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:44.679 in the crime scene. What Yeah, No, Lead Detective Philip 158 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.879 van Natter, Right, he's a major figure in this quote 159 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:52.559 unquote framing of OJ. I would argue he he was 160 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.519 a junior officer too at the Tate p Lansky House 161 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:55.360 back in sixty nine. 162 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.120 So okay, let me let me ask you something and 163 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.200 like straight up, because this is something that me and 164 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.840 my husband have talked about before. Because he's of the 165 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:17.360 mind that the Tate Polanski murder was staged in some 166 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:23.799 way and that perhaps Sharon isn't even dead. 167 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.320 There's an argument to be made there. I know there's 168 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.399 a fellow bout him of Miles Mathis has written a 169 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:31.159 lengthy paper on a lot of these kind of sy 170 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.919 op subjects, and well, I don't agree with his conclusions 171 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.159 and his Manson family analysis because I've found some errors 172 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.200 in his you know, his his argument. But he does 173 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.600 bring up some excellent points to that regard of staging 174 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.000 and stuff like that. So if you want to have 175 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.200 a conversation on that in the future, I'm certainly into it, 176 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:48.240 because well. 177 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.159 I'm just wondering if you think that could be going 178 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.440 on with the OJ case, like do you really believe 179 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.080 that Nicole and Ron are dead? 180 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.120 There you go? Is it all part of the show, 181 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.320 is what you're asking? I keep asking that same question 182 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.639 around the Idaho four case. Right. So the Idaho four case, 183 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.159 we've we never saw a Corners van. There was no funerals. 184 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.159 Allegedly all four victims cremated. There's no there's no probate 185 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.919 cases for these young adults who had property and debts 186 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.600 and accounts and stuff like that for them to you know, 187 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.360 transfer those accounts to you know, next of kin or 188 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.559 whatever goes through probate. Right, No, no record of probate. Right, 189 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.399 So there are a lot of questions surrounding these kind 190 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.679 of things. And there's a distinct lack of blood at 191 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:31.799 the scene, right of that of that crime scene. Now, 192 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.639 I wouldn't argue that with the the Tate La Bianca house, 193 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.919 but that doesn't mean that to correlate precisely like that either, right. 194 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:39.720 So you know, just because you have one, uh the other, 195 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.279 doesn't mean they're both not the same. But if you 196 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:47.000 recall the Cilo Drive murder scene was of tape, the 197 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:48.960 tape planskin. That was pretty gruesome scene. 198 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.799 We mean, yeah, gruesome as fuck. 199 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:53.480 Yeah, those pictures were you know, they they made it 200 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.399 public pretty quickly. We two and a half years later, 201 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.519 we have no Idaho crime scene pictures. 202 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:02.840 See, that's it bothers me, is that there should be 203 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:09.120 just like I know that the the uh Nicole Nicole 204 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:16.519 Brown case is weird, but we have plenty of photographs, right, 205 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:18.440 we have lots of photographs. 206 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.639 Yeah, I say, just because that's what I'm saying. When 207 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.639 we start navigating these waters, were these things staged? Just 208 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:26.240 we can't be like, well, this one has blood and 209 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.200 this one doesn't. There these two, you know what I mean? Like, 210 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.840 I think it's a little bit more complicated than that even, right, 211 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:32.039 mm hmmm. 212 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:34.039 So where do you want to do? You want to 213 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.799 like do a little recap of the murders themselves and 214 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:38.799 then go from there. 215 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.039 Yes, ma'am, that's what I was planning on doing. You 216 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.759 read my mind that We actually started this conversation the 217 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.879 other day because we were on the Occult Reject show 218 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.639 together and I think I made a off handed, wise 219 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.639 wise ass comment about Orenthal James Simpson, and you were 220 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.080 you were commenting on how he's definitely did it, and 221 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.759 you know, I was commenting on the Hurts guy, you know, 222 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.200 the Hurts Rental car spokes person because obviously. 223 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.639 Oh he kicked again. Sorry, sorry, yeah you. 224 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.480 Were me, Okay, I cut out on my end too. 225 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.720 So now I was just saying, like, so we were 226 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:12.000 talking about it, and you were, you were of the 227 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.320 mindset that he did it. And you know, I'm I'm 228 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.200 long study the forensics in this matter of this case, 229 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:19.720 and I have long had issues with it. But I've 230 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:24.639 only been more recent years looking into the kind of 231 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.200 the PROCESSI and angle, the processed church angle, if you will. 232 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:32.279 So in tracking the journeys of one Maury Terry, the 233 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.120 author of The Ultimate Evil, he took a break from 234 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.879 his studies and research and investigation into the New York 235 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:43.039 angles of that stuff and started and dove headfirst into 236 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.320 the O. J. Simpson case. And I think that's largely 237 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.320 due to old Cocaine, Bob Evans, right, and his associations 238 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.519 when you're in around the OJ Simpson stuff, not the 239 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.200 least of which one of OJ's attorneys, Robert Shapiro. So, 240 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.360 but as far as this conversation started, yeah, we started there, 241 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.039 and uh, you know, and I'm happy. I'm always happy 242 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.039 to discuss Oarenthal, James Simpson, Cocaine, Bob Evans, and these 243 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.480 kind of colts. Culton con I think. 244 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.759 I said, I said, every time you say OJ didn't 245 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.120 do it, It makes my butthole clinch because I feel 246 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.840 I feel like there's a lot to suggest that he did, 247 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.200 and I, uh, well, obviously we'll get into that. But 248 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.360 it's always been a case that's interested me. I recently 249 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:31.759 just did a small series on major evince that occurred 250 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.360 in the nineties, and of course this was one of them, 251 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:40.639 and the the high speed chase, or more so a 252 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:45.120 low speed chase. If we're being honest, you know, it's 253 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.720 it's iconic, and it was all over the news, and 254 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:53.080 there's not really hey, what's up. There's not really been 255 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:59.759 a lot of things that have happened like that since, 256 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.960 you know, with the sensationalism of the case, it was 257 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:08.399 the one of the last big ones in my opinions, 258 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:13.559 So it almost makes me wonder if it wasn't, you know, 259 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.240 set up in some way to sensationalize something, to get 260 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.799 everyone's attention diverted away from something else that may have 261 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:25.480 been going on at the time. I don't know, I 262 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:25.759 don't know. 263 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.600 Well, I think that's certainly possible, and I think another 264 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:31.399 way to look at it maybe is also kind of 265 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.559 along these the same manner of, you know, from a 266 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:37.399 strategic level, not necessarily the you know, down on who 267 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.240 stabbing who level. But you know, you're right, it was 268 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.919 a very polarizing and chaotic event. You know, it's very 269 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.200 you know, very memorable. I remember where I was during 270 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.679 the Bronco Chase. I remember where I was when they 271 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:50.960 read the verdicts, right, like you know what I mean. 272 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.120 So I was a freshman in high school, but you know, 273 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.720 I mean these were I mean even again, even at 274 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.240 that age, everyone had their eyes, you know, tune to it. 275 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.799 And I think more people watch the verdict than they 276 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.960 watched the Apollo eleven moonlanding, if I remember correctly. 277 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.960 That is so crazy to me. And that's also why 278 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.320 I think it has to be by design in some way. 279 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.960 But I was born in nineteen ninety four, so obviously 280 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:21.480 I wasn't around to witness any of this. But you know, 281 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.279 I was born in November of ninety four, so I've 282 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:28.720 only ever seen it from like the back end. But 283 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.360 what I will tell you is my mom was obsessed 284 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:37.120 with it. You know, I can remember her talking about 285 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.720 how huge it was. And now you know, da da 286 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.200 da da da. But it's like it makes you wonder 287 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:49.320 if it wasn't some kind of George Floydian. You know, 288 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.039 if the glove don't fit, you must to quit and 289 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.840 all of that. It's like very George Floydian kind of 290 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:56.519 in that way. 291 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:57.919 What if it's both? 292 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.200 Yes, that's my thing is like, I can't I can't 293 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.880 say either way. It could be both. 294 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.599 Yeah, what if it's both? So what if there was 295 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:09.599 an individual who you needed to take out in a 296 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.680 drug trafficking network and then you wanted to also a 297 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:16.680 utilitarian nature? Was these processing crimes kind of doing their 298 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:17.880 whole hog effective things? 299 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:18.119 Right? 300 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:20.799 When I say the whole hog effect, you know, they 301 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:22.440 use the whole hog. You know, they're going to profit 302 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.000 from every aspect of the circumstances of a situation. For example, 303 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.839 you know, you know, one thing that I alleged is 304 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.160 prominent within this kind of network is depicted in the 305 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.720 film Inherent Vice, a story by Thomas Pinchone and a 306 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.319 movie by Paul Thomas Anderson, where this in Los Angeles 307 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.079 in nineteen seventy There's this powerful drug trafficking network that 308 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:50.279 involves mafia, the you know, cult people, right, It involves politicians, 309 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.920 it involves law enforcement and involves actors right in lawyers. Right, 310 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.440 So I would asserted that's what we're seeing here in 311 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.839 around nineteen ninety four. It's the same network. It's just 312 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.160 evolved right in that network in nineteen seventy, they're describing 313 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:06.039 in that storyline how the cult is importing heroin, getting 314 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.200 folks hooked on heroin, then profiting off of the rehab 315 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.440 drug rehabs. Yeah, and off of the dentists. They have 316 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.519 dentists as well, and there's dentists associated with Charles Manson. 317 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.359 So, oh my god, that's crazy. 318 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:20.279 You know. 319 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:23.839 I I watched Inherent Vice for the first time like 320 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.799 two nights ago, So it's so crazy you brought that up. 321 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.000 I just watched it, yeah, for the first time, so exactly. 322 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:32.720 See, you know the golden thing, you know, the golden 323 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.480 thing we're talking about that, Like. 324 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.079 With the dentists, I know exactly what you're talking about. 325 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:41.559 And so I mean, yeah, that's why I always have 326 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.000 to wonder because all this stuff is so multi layered. 327 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:52.359 And it's like you said, actors, politicians, dentists, you know, uh, 328 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:57.079 you name it, pi's they're all in on it in 329 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:58.319 some in some way. 330 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.480 But would you believe and here advice they're telling the 331 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:05.720 Manson story again. They're telling this processed tale, right, they. 332 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:09.119 Are telling that this that similar kind of story because 333 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.880 at first, the like I had to sit there and 334 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.279 think to myself, like what did I just watch? Because 335 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.000 it's kind of disjointed and you have to like really 336 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.599 concentrate on what's going on in the movie to understand it. 337 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.759 And I love Joaquin Phoenix, He's one of my faves. 338 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.559 I love it pretty much everything he's in. But yeah, 339 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.400 if anybody hasn't watched that yet, it's definitely worth it 340 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.440 because it's exactly like JJ saying, it's like a little 341 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:40.119 conspiracy buffet in there. 342 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.519 Oh yeah, well, let me let me break down the 343 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.359 Manson stuff and tie es back into the oj stuff here. 344 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.640 So in the film, you see Owen Wilson's character plays 345 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.920 this Laurel Canyon surf sax player that faked his death 346 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:53.759 and is now working as a co and Telpro guy 347 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.799 working for the cold work. He's playing like five different sides, right, So, 348 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:00.559 but he fakes his death and help by help with 349 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.559 the feds, right, and to go undercovering this stuff. If 350 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.400 you think about it, that's a lot like Charles Manson, right, 351 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.400 or Bobby Boslet right. 352 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:11.480 Yes, for sure, Bobby Bosley for sure. 353 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.720 Yeah, all of them is lieutenant, right, So then you 354 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:18.839 also have characters like Bigfoot Bjornson, right, Josh Brolins, that's 355 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:21.880 he's a lead detective and robbery homicide right now. Again, again, 356 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.400 this is nineteen seventy. Philip van Adder is still a 357 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.079 rookie cop, you know, would have been on the force 358 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.519 for like four years at that point. But I suspect 359 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:32.039 that is an amalgamation of characters within robbery homicide, notably 360 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:34.839 Philip van Adder, who again was at the Tate Lot 361 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.519 Bianca scene apparently as well on that case. I'm sorry, 362 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:40.039 I think he was at the Bianca scene, and I 363 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:41.920 think the other guy, Richard Wally, he was the first 364 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.200 unseen at the Nicole Nicole Brown Simpson murder, he was 365 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.519 at the Tate Plansky has both rookie officers, though I'm 366 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.759 both again on the oj case. But I would argue 367 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.279 Bigfoot Bjornson is a play on Philip van Adder, this 368 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:55.880 new Norwegian you know cop. 369 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.240 Dude, right, so crazy? That is so crazy? 370 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.200 Yeah, And and and then they mentioned they reference the 371 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:05.440 Manson family numerous times throughout the film. 372 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:07.000 Mm hmmm mm hmm. 373 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.839 You know. So, and then you have you know, uh, 374 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.000 the the booby hatch up in Ohi as they describe it, 375 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.119 you know, the looney bind right where the cults operating 376 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.079 these rehab for the folks that get off of the 377 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:21.759 of the drugs, right and again they just put them 378 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.599 and they even explain it, they just it's it's a 379 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.920 cyclical event. They just keep putting the folks back on 380 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.119 on that cycle. Right. So, and the cult and this network, 381 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.359 this processing network, as I describe it, they they they're 382 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.480 the ones who are profiting off of every aspect of that. 383 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:36.599 So if you if you in that regard, if you 384 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:40.599 think about these Kadok events and how they're you know, 385 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.839 trying to do some social engineering, I suspect, you know, 386 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:45.880 you can still have a real murder. You can still 387 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.319 have somebody within that network that you need to take 388 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.720 out for X, Y or Z reason. And then you 389 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.240 also one of their you know, seemingly signature moves of 390 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.599 these kind of processing and murders is depending on somebody else. 391 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:00.680 So you would probably have folks within the network within 392 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.039 the police, right and also some things outside of it, 393 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.079 both working collectively depended on OJ. Because there are I 394 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.279 will agree, there are some very circumstantial evidence surrounding that 395 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:11.279 matter of OJ. But you know when you put in 396 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.640 the timeline don't work out. It's the same thing with 397 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:17.559 the IDO four. The IDO authorities have a very loose, 398 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:20.680 circumstantial case against that suspect Coburger, but you put it 399 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:24.039 in this timeline and apply other you know, scrutiny to 400 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.480 the facts that don't work out. But you know, if 401 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.640 you have those circumstances, you need to take somebody out, 402 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.839 you frame somebody, but then you're still going to profit 403 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.480 off it. Right, So you know, what what did we 404 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:35.920 in that regard? What did we see in nineteen ninety four? 405 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:37.440 It was the kind of the birth of this court 406 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.400 TV business, right with the OJ case. 407 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:44.680 Mm hm, wasn't it one of the first? Well they 408 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.160 televised Ted Bundy's trial, but it's got to be one 409 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:48.920 of the first ones. 410 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:50.680 Four seven. I think this is the first one they 411 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:51.720 did from starting to finish. 412 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.720 Okay, okay, I knew it was the first to be something. 413 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.519 Yeah, and we and on that. I'm glad you brought 414 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.200 that up because that's a big part of what I 415 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.200 evaluate this case. The people of the State of California 416 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.519 versus Oarenthal James Simpson, so the murders occurred on June twelfth, 417 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:14.519 nineteen ninety four, right, and then the trial begins in 418 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.079 January of Janey twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five through October 419 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:19.839 third of nineteen ninety five. 420 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:20.559 Right. 421 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.079 So during that time we had basically Walda wall covers 422 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.039 from June of ninety four June thirteenth of ninety four, 423 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.960 when OJ turned himself in without a warrant, subjected himself 424 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:35.599 to blood samples and DNA samples without a warrant, right, 425 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:40.279 volunteered these things. Then got some important to note the 426 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:43.519 he did that. He flew back from Chicago and did 427 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:45.119 that on the thirteenth when they called him there. So 428 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.240 because he flew he flew red eye over Chicago, because 429 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.559 he had a golf tournament with the Hurts rental car executives, 430 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.519 because he was a big spokesperson, had been for been 431 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.720 close to fifteen years by that point. Strangely enough, it 432 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.240 seems the Menendez brother's father hired him and that in. 433 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.839 That job, Dude, I was going to mention the Menendez 434 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:08.880 brothers in connection with this case. Yeah, this should Should 435 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.720 I do it now? Or should I? I'm gonna wait, 436 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:14.079 Actually I'm going to wait and finish, finish this. 437 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:16.319 We can. We can get into that here in a 438 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:17.599 bit if you like. For sure, I'd like to hear 439 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.640 what you got. Because the Menendez brother's father, before he 440 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.559 was over there an rca music executive in the eighties. 441 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.720 He was the vice president of Hurts Rental CARP dating 442 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.359 back to the I think seventy seven, and when OJ 443 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.400 Weblee was hired in seventy eight is their national spokesperson. 444 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.960 So I had I have no documents or receipts of 445 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.920 these matters, but I presume the vice president of North 446 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.880 America Operations for Hurts Rental Carps had some role in 447 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.799 hiring their national spokesperson for America, right, and they both 448 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:46.720 live in Los Angeles, I would I don't know if 449 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.039 the Menendez brothers have the Menendez have connections of Scientology, 450 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:54.799 but I've long suspected that because Oj had just joined 451 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.119 Scientology right around that time I think. 452 00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:58.880 Seven second in Scientology. 453 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.559 Yeah, so he it's his contract with Hertz. Right after 454 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.039 he does sign he gets that. I think he gets 455 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.200 that Capricorn one movie, and I believe he gets this 456 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.079 Hurts contract right for that and he had just joined Scientology. 457 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:14.119 I'm not saying there's you know, you know, correlation versus causation. 458 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:15.680 But it certainly seems like there's more to it with 459 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:20.599 a menandoes folks, especially their murders. Go on, what was 460 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:21.960 what ninety three? 461 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.799 Uh, the Menindoz brothers. 462 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.799 Yeah, when was that murder? I think that eighty nine? 463 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:31.640 Eighty nine? 464 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.680 Okay, oh, you already pulled it up. Yeah. I was 465 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.759 gonna say, I think that was an eighties thing, but 466 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:36.680 I could be wrong. 467 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.319 Yeah. They were apprehended in nineteen ninety. Oh, well, so 468 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:44.119 that's interesting. So Charles Manson's friend, Ira Reiner was the 469 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.200 district attorney for Los Angeles still at that time, in 470 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.400 nineteen ninety, so he would have been prosecuting that case. 471 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:50.079 That's interesting. 472 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.599 Everything is so fucking connected. 473 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.160 Yeah, for sure, And we'll get into some more of 474 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.119 those characters. Ryner's an interesting character, and he was the 475 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.359 district attorney from eighty four to ninety two, and relative 476 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.680 to Bob Cocaine Evans, he was the district attorney for 477 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.400 the Cotton Club murders, where Bob was an unindicted co 478 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:12.000 conspirator along with the Meddie and Cartel's number one dude 479 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.559 in America's wife Karen Greenberger. She was the indicted co 480 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.079 conspirator of Bob and the murder of Roy Raiding. So 481 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.839 I'm cocaine Bob. That is so, you know, we can 482 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.279 definitely talk more about the Menindez, but it is interesting 483 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.359 what's popping off at the very same time as the 484 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.920 OJ case. I believe the trials start on the same day, 485 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.039 and that's the case of Heidi Flices from Height who 486 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.519 you're not Are you familiar with Heidie Flies? 487 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.039 No? 488 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.839 What, madam? Oh? Yeah, this is uh. She dated a 489 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.839 lot of A list stars like Charlie Sheen, Tom Seizeman. 490 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:48.880 Really yeah. She was good friends with Nicole Brown Simpson. 491 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:50.720 And she's dead. 492 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.119 She's not dead, but her she got busted for running 493 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.880 a prostitution ring in her account. 494 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.400 My god, shut up. And she was friends with the 495 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:06.519 coal Did I lose yet? JJ? 496 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:08.200 They cut out? 497 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.319 You cut out a little bit, was she? So you're 498 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.200 saying she was friends with Nicole? 499 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.880 Yeah? Oh they were tight. They were real tight. So 500 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.559 I'm not gonna say Nicole was a recruiter in that network, 501 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.279 but she certainly has the hallmarks of it. 502 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.519 Oh my god, that's gonna make even more sense when 503 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:29.359 I say what I gotta say about Nicole. 504 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:33.599 So I'm just just double check here, go ahead, I'm 505 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.400 double checking the date of her trial. What were you 506 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:36.359 gonna say about Nicole. 507 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.680 I don't know if I'm ready to jump right into 508 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:46.000 it yet on Nicole, but there's some stuff about her 509 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:53.759 that I mean, I don't have any like solid evidence 510 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.960 of this other than you know, what I can see 511 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:06.039 in pictures, but it would appear, based on her skeleton 512 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:15.519 that Nicole was born a biological male. 513 00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:22.559 You're talking about the BPHL line. Yeah, it's going to 514 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.039 be pretty jolly, and she is of a very jolly 515 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.799 ethnicity if you want to call it that deepails well 516 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:30.279 Germanic roots. 517 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.440 There's some stuff about like the kids not looking like her, 518 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.359 her knee caps and her elbows. 519 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.119 Deeper on your trans investigation that I have, ma'am, I'm 520 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.160 into it. Don't get me wrong, because I'm glad you 521 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.279 bring this point up because it's interesting. You have to 522 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.400 consider how these two met to understand who Arenthal James 523 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.240 Simpson was in the events leading up to June twelfth, 524 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.920 nineteen ninety four, the night of the murder that occurred, 525 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.640 according to the state's timeline, approximately ten thirty two to 526 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.000 ten forty two. Again you start adding the scrutiny. He 527 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.200 started putting these things under a microscope that the state presents, 528 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.680 and that makes no sense. It doesn't It does not 529 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:12.920 comport whatsoever. In fact, they would later discredit their own 530 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.319 some of their own eye witnesses and near witnesses from 531 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.759 the matter they were supposed to testify for the state 532 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.480 because they kept changing the timeline. And that's one thing 533 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.400 we see in the Idaho four cases. After the probable 534 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.720 cause is written, they keep molding a different timeline and 535 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.960 changing facts, and that happened in the Orenthal James Simpson case. 536 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.279 And in doing so, they ostracized the number of fairly 537 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.400 wealthy you know, folks there in the Brentwood area of 538 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.920 Los Angeles. These are wealthy homes. This is a high 539 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.119 class neighborhood next to Beverly Hills, in between Beverly Hills 540 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.799 and Malibu. And you know this is they pissed some 541 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.799 folks off, you know what I mean. So folks who 542 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.359 thought oj was guilty, they thought he did it. They 543 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.279 were going to testify for the prosecution. But suddenly their 544 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.799 details in their eyewitness from near witness reports don't comport 545 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.359 with the timeline events that was getting shifted in changed 546 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.000 over time. Right, so a lot of that happened. 547 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:05.240 Well, what time do you think it went down? 548 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.240 I think it went down around ten twenty. That's the first. 549 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.640 That's the first inclination of activity going on over there. 550 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.200 And I suspect the law enforcement is a lot more 551 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.519 than they ever released in these matters, because you know, 552 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.720 there was a for example, Ron Goldman's pager continued to 553 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.720 go off for hours following his his his murder, his 554 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.680 parent murder. Right, I mean there's a we have photographs 555 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.720 of these bodies at least right again, Idaho won't have 556 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:38.759 any photographs. But gold Goldman seems to have been again 557 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:44.319 delivering cocaine through this network of Italian restaurants owned by 558 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.119 the mafia. And one of the owners in this network 559 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.720 is actor James Kahn, who has no one to credit 560 00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.400 but Bob Cocaine evans for his career in Hollywood. 561 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:55.079 So and. 562 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.359 So, okay, that's let me just so we can clarify, 563 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.559 because it never made sense to me either. Why he 564 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.359 would they say that the only reason why he was 565 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.599 murdered is because he had to bring a pair of 566 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.759 shades over to Nicole because they were her favorite pair 567 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.119 of sunglasses or whatever. 568 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.880 So like that, never you're on target, you're on target. 569 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.119 I mean that never made sense to me. 570 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.920 No, And again, so that's what I'm talking about. How 571 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.279 do all these folks know each other? Right, So it 572 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.319 seems to be cocaine seems to be the connected principle 573 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.720 and a lot of these things. And it's not surprised 574 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.799 that old Cocaine Bob's nearby. 575 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:42.200 Right, so right, so yeah, so like the whole I wash, 576 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.680 he was like collateral damage, Like, oh, I was just 577 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.519 on my way to drop off Nicole shades and I 578 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.640 got fucking dusted in the process. Like that never made 579 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.440 sense to me, Like why he would be there? 580 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.680 Well it doesn't, so I think that was a setup. 581 00:31:58.720 --> 00:31:59.920 So I think he was sent over there. He will 582 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.039 He did get sent over there with a pair of eyeglasses. 583 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.319 So it's it's the story sold as Nicole Brown Simpson 584 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.400 and her family, her mother and children and whatnot. They 585 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.039 all went to dinner together right at this fancy Italian restaurant, Masaluna, right, 586 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.880 and you know it's rumored she was regular there. But 587 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.319 what they don't describe as the further details of those circumstances. 588 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.119 But Ron Goldman was a waiter there, and you know, again, 589 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:26.880 I would argue he's a lot more than a waiter there, 590 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.480 because that restaurant got popped for cocaine trafficking, and that 591 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.200 whole network of restaurants did shr they all closed down. Yeah, 592 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.240 And Ron Goldman had two friends, one of which was 593 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.599 a waiter at Mazzaluna, who got marked after he did. 594 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.519 One of them got marked a year beforehand, that one 595 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.160 six months after him. They all got real stavvy, you 596 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.880 know what I mean, Oh my god, what the fuck? 597 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.480 That's what I'm saying that the law enforcement had a 598 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.000 great idea of the timeline based upon that pager and 599 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.079 the last time he recognized the page right because it 600 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.119 was blowing up by numerous reports, it was blowing up, 601 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.000 you know. 602 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.240 For all the because he was probably supposed to make 603 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.720 a couple drops that night and he never. 604 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.119 Showed up exactly exactly. 605 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.880 Marzid's only shit. 606 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.400 They've known the timeline, they've so this whole thing was 607 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.799 there was no response to these murders. And I'll get 608 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.519 back to that in a minute as I build up 609 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.160 how these folks know each other, right, so they know 610 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.519 each other through Mezzaluna, but what's not described as Nicole's 611 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.960 roommates from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety four, whom 612 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.240 she would travel with to Aspen, Colorado frequently because it 613 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.359 seems like they were dealing some yao together. He was 614 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.759 the manager of that of those restaurant group, right, so 615 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.079 it was like three or four I think it was 616 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.920 three or four restaurants and against owned by two Made 617 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.400 mobsters and one of one of the minority owners, and 618 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.400 one of them is James Kahn, Cocaine Bob's front. That 619 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.279 comes into play later because these all these folks get 620 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.039 busted as well for cocaine trafficking when those restaurants go down, 621 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.359 and James conn puts up his house for bail for 622 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.079 one of these guys, right, WHOA yeah, he almost faces 623 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.039 charges himself at one point because he's harboring a known fugitive, 624 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.280 one of the the other Made mobster, Joey Apalito, apparently 625 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.719 when he skips bond at a sentencing hearing in New Jersey. 626 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.960 He's hiding out at consouse a couple weeks later, and 627 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.320 they don't ever charge con for that. Though these are 628 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.599 all events proceeding preceding what's going on. So what I'm 629 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.880 saying is that whole network of you know, that mafia 630 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.960 owned network group was interesting. So Nicole's roommate, this Keith Fella, 631 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.800 he was the manager of those restaurants, and they had 632 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.800 one restaurant and asked and I think the one was 633 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.920 in Malibu, one was in Brentwood, I believe there, and 634 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.639 maybe two in Malibu nonetheless, and I think a pizza 635 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:48.000 place in Beverly Hills. So she's traveling with to ask him. 636 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:50.559 This guy, he's the manager of those restaurants. He's dating 637 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.320 one of Heidi Flic's hookers. The entire time from nine 638 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.000 to two ninety four. The reason it seems like oh 639 00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:02.039 Jay's warenthal. James Simpson decided that he needed and to 640 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.239 go nuts on his ex wife and which would result 641 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.840 in numerous domestic violence phone calls, was directly over her 642 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.480 activities relative to this cocaine business and Heidi flies because 643 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.360 apparently she was having cocaine and hookers at her home 644 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.079 and he did not like that in front of his children. 645 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:20.800 That's what it was about. 646 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.480 Yeah, So the October nineteen ninety three, so she's murdered 647 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.760 June twelfth, nineteen ninety four. The October nineteen ninety three 648 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.760 call that the prosecution used against him. You can hear 649 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.039 him in the back. You can hear him in the 650 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.519 background screaming things about tabloids, cocaine, and hookers. Right, so 651 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.719 he's he's talking about Heidi Flies her hookers. Again, this 652 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.920 Keith dude was you know, dating one of these hookers 653 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:45.719 for a couple of years there she was friends with 654 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:47.960 Heidi Flies. Whether or not she was a recruiter in 655 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.639 that network, I would argue, that's certainly possible and probably right, 656 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.800 and then so very familiar with that whole trade at least, right, 657 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.960 and uh, you know, and again she's the dude from Asluna, 658 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.119 So she has more than a passing relationship with Ron Goldman. Right, 659 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.440 she may not know I'm that well, but his boss 660 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.719 lived with her for two years, two plus years. But 661 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.400 it seems like after that October ninety three call, when 662 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.639 he's screaming on you know, in the background, she's calling 663 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.679 now on one, he thought she was talking to her 664 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.519 mother what she would frequently do when they would argue. Apparently, 665 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.400 so he's screaming those details so that her mother can 666 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.840 understand what kind of horror her daughter was being. 667 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:29.000 Wow. 668 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.679 She also did not press charges when the cops responded 669 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.679 to that call, but it was all it was all 670 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:35.880 used against him in the trial. 671 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.880 So you think because I actually played a snippet from 672 00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.039 that phone call when I covered this in my ninety series, 673 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.840 and I mean, she definitely sells the whole I'm a 674 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.840 battered woman thing, and like, didn't she have like journals 675 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.440 or something where she was like, if something happens to me, 676 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:57.119 it's him. 677 00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.480 Well, she did get hit by him. I believe that 678 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.480 was the nineteen ninety incident or ninety one. That's what 679 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:07.480 caused the separation. I believe, uh huh yeah. So you think, well, 680 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.239 I would argue it's probably no different than the ninety 681 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:10.760 three incident. I don't think we have the same amount 682 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.039 of information on that one. But part of the ninety 683 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.800 three incident allegedly dates back to ninety one. So apparently 684 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.760 she was in debt to Larry Flint for a large 685 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:23.079 volume of cash due to some cocaine dealings back in 686 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.440 ninety one. So this is that tabloid stuff he was 687 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.920 screaming about. So apparently he got involved with trying to 688 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.679 pof that debt by doing a pornography for Larry Flint. 689 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.679 She was in debt to Larry Flint. Back to Cocaine 690 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.920 Bob and friends, the two assassins that are imprisoned for 691 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.039 the more of Roy Raidin by order of apparently Cocaine 692 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.880 Bob and Karen Greenberger, the Median cartel's number one dude 693 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.519 to America's wife. Well that was you know, those two 694 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.920 dudes worked for Larry Flint. Bill Menzer was a bodyguard 695 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:59.880 for Larry Flint. So here we have her apparently in 696 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.400 that to that and causing outrage by him. Again, I'm 697 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:05.039 not I'm not advocating this behavior. What I'm saying is 698 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.119 I don't think it's been properly described. He's he's just 699 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.119 some lunatic. He beats his wife. There was a very 700 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.000 tumultuous relationship and appears and largely seems to have been 701 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.480 an issue of cocaine. 702 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.519 So the the main issue is his wife got herself 703 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:28.320 involved in some uh crackheadedness basically actingly. 704 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.079 Apparently repeatedly, yeah, apparently. 705 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:39.159 Right, messing with some prostitution, nasty stuff and some all right, 706 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.360 so all right, you think she got violent with her 707 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.480 because she was, she was convoluting with all this this uh, 708 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:48.760 these side deals. 709 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.639 According to his own I think was Cochrane's book, the 710 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.880 ninety three incident was solely around the issues of this cocaine. 711 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.079 You hear about him screaming about in the background, Okay, 712 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.559 cocaine and hookers again this hookers are Heidi Flice's people 713 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.880 again her root. So in ninety four, right after that incident, 714 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.519 she moves out of that home into the how she 715 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.320 gets murdered in on Bundy Drive right. So also so 716 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.199 you have her this Keith Fellow, who's the manager of 717 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.880 these these these restaurants, these mob restaurants with the coke 718 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.760 traffing is going on, and Goldman works at one of them. 719 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.519 You have Kat o'kalin. They're all living with OJ's kids, 720 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.760 two kids at this house on you know, another part 721 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.960 of Brentwood. So he apparently OJ's like after that October 722 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.800 and So was like, no more, this is done. You're 723 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.000 moving this Keith dude's moving out, you know, no more 724 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.599 Heidi flies over here. You know, these were these were 725 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.440 lugedly the terms that he described. She then moves into 726 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.159 that Bundy residence. I believe he's paying for it, and 727 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.639 then Kato o'kalen, who's living there as well, is her 728 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:56.840 friend not his right, he moves him into his guest house. 729 00:39:57.840 --> 00:39:59.559 That's o Kat o'kalen ends up with the rock and 730 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.639 him guest house of Orenthal James Simpson because he thought 731 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:04.920 he was a negative influence on his ex wife and 732 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.639 kids and wanted him under closer scrutiny. 733 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.440 Right, So because he was a crackhead, you think, or I. 734 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.840 Think they all were. I mean, I don't think OJ 735 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:17.519 is guilty of not doing coke, you know what I mean. 736 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.880 I just use just trying to bring some reason to 737 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.559 these matters, if you will, and for his kids, for 738 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.840 his kids, and again, this relationship that was sold by 739 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.000 the prosecution, I don't think stands up to scrutiny. So, 740 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.360 three weeks prior to the murder, Nicole Brown Simpson hosts 741 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.760 a pizza party for their kids at the Rockingham estate 742 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:37.639 with OJ with Cato. 743 00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:46.639 So, oh, my dog's sparking. Sorry, So what do you 744 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:52.199 think about Like the violent nature of the deaths though, 745 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.920 because that's part of the reason why I think he 746 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:55.920 did do it. 747 00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:58.599 I think that speaks to the violent nature of the 748 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.119 Manson family. Crimes and the violent nature of the Idaho 749 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.519 for murders. I think it goes with the territory of this, 750 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.840 as Manson called it, making it look witchy. 751 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.880 Okay, But so the only thing I would argue is 752 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:20.760 to it's two things. I don't feel like Ron Goldman 753 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.559 was killed as violently as Nicole, and so you feel 754 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:28.079 like he was. 755 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.039 Yeah, we'll go over the autopsies. I got. I got 756 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.800 that all so that that. 757 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.199 Might clear things up for me, because from what I 758 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.559 can remember, in my opinion, it looked like somebody took 759 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.440 their sweet ass time slicing and dicing and practically decapitating 760 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:48.880 Nicole and did like the job on Ron. 761 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.360 Now you're mostly accurate. They did catch her by the 762 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.920 prize from behind, I believe, and nearly did decapitated. You're right, 763 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:55.960 that's an accurate statement. 764 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.920 So it to me, it always looked like to practically 765 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.199 decapitate somebody but not spend that much time with Ron 766 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.519 would suggest to me that he wasn't the primary target, 767 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.880 but he needed to die because he was there. 768 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.639 Well, I see what you're saying, and that's certainly possible. 769 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.440 But I would argue that the bulk of the attention 770 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.400 and the murder was concentrated on Ron. I would argue 771 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.079 there's at least three individuals possibly for he committed this crime, 772 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.480 one of which was responsible for murder of Nicole, one 773 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.159 of which was a lookout, and the other two fought 774 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.039 Ron Goldman. Because whoever fought Ron Goldman man, he put 775 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:34.800 up a fight. We can go over some of those 776 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.599 autopsies and we'll look at OJ's body too, and his pictures, 777 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.960 and you know, you can tell the one cut that 778 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.360 he has on his left hand middle finger is from 779 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.880 the glass that he broke. His story was when they 780 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.599 called him in Chicago that morning of the thirteenth, he 781 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.119 was upset, dropped a glass, and when he's picking up 782 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.360 the glass, you know, the shattered glass from his hotel 783 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.559 room floor, he cut his finger. It seems plausible, because 784 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.679 what doesn't seem plausible is you look at the pictures 785 00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.679 of Ron Goldman and say that he got into a 786 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.960 fight and got stabbed like nineteen times, and some stuff slashed, 787 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.000 and and OJ got a you know, OJ got a 788 00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.840 little cut. You know, because Goldman's got bruises from head 789 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.199 to toe, He's got defensive wounds. Oliver's hands. I mean, 790 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.840 it's alleged that he was an expert in martial arts. 791 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:16.599 I don't know if that's true, but what I can 792 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.400 tell you is the dude put up a help a fight, 793 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.639 and whoever he was fighting, they're gonna have some marks. 794 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.840 So what about the what about Nicoleby and like practically decapitated? 795 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.880 Like don't you feel like whoever did her had some 796 00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:35.760 passion behind that? That it was personal? Like like that 797 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:36.960 there was some passion? 798 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.760 Do you think it was personally? And when I'll get 799 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.840 into some of the motives on that too. From where 800 00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.320 I'm at with that stuff, relativity is kind of process 801 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.920 seeing crime, so one of the aspects, and you know 802 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.119 that it's not I don't think considered oftentimes with you know, 803 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.519 someone like Bob Cocaine Evans, who's this kind of process 804 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.559 figure of a major regard there in Los Angeles, according 805 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.440 to you know, investigations of Maretarian whatnot, did a great 806 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.840 job and not the only one, but he obviously did 807 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.119 a great job on that with Bob's actions Cocaine Bob 808 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.360 and the Cotton Club murders there. But you look at 809 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.719 their theology within the process and they had their you know, 810 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.760 they're Nazis, so you know, you look at somebody like 811 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.119 Mark Furman, who's a very integral character in all of 812 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.000 these things, and he's a Nazi. I'm not saying that 813 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.199 without evidence. There's a forty two page internal Affairs investigation 814 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.679 that was being written at the time of the trial, 815 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.440 that was published in October during the trial and or 816 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.119 I think shortly before the trial ended, maybe, And not 817 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.079 only was he a Nazi, perjured himself, you know, was 818 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.199 charged with a felony as a result of which durned 819 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.039 the trial, but the prosecution knew this dude was under 820 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.800 investigation for all sorts of shady shit, and that that 821 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.519 that investigation yielded eight of again forty some pages of 822 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.119 evidence supporting the activities, the Nazi activities of Mark Furman, 823 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.239 not the least of which, according to Johnny Cochrane's book, 824 00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.079 Furman would wear Nazi rank underneath a lapel of his 825 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.039 of his led the officer uniform. So in that regard, 826 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.719 when you have part of these Turner Diary kind of things, right, 827 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.920 you know, with this theology of this kind of white 828 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.599 nationalist movement, you have that's one of the things they 829 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:19.199 call for is to decapitate the the essentially the race traders. Right, 830 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:23.679 So she's a blonde haired, fair you know, German who's 831 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.760 had children with a black man. That doesn't sit well 832 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:30.679 with the number of folks. In fact, the FBI released 833 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.480 their their documents on orangal James Simpson after he died, 834 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.880 and two things can be yielded from that relative to 835 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.320 you know, this conversation we're having right now at the moment, 836 00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.920 and that is they were more deeply involved in the 837 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.159 physical evidence than initially led on by the state in 838 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.360 the nineteen nineties. And because they after someone dies, I 839 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.800 guess they just you know, released whatever they got, as 840 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.199 they claim at least, right. And then the other thing 841 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.440 is that he was getting they were getting threats from 842 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.519 white nationalists preceding the murders. Both Nicole and OJ were Hmmm. 843 00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.719 So that's where the decapitation comes in, because that to 844 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.880 me has always been this selling point is like, if 845 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:16.960 I were to have to murder someone, ah, unless I 846 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.960 was incredibly angry at that person, I don't know if 847 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.400 I could go to the links of like practically decapitating them, 848 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:27.599 you know what I'm saying. 849 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:33.360 For sure, So before we got in the Nicole OJ 850 00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.719 timeline and how they kind of came together and emphasized 851 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.679 this these kind of hood rat activities that's surround the 852 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.840 entire nature of their relationship if you asked me. And 853 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.719 that is again their friend circles as well, right, their 854 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.760 recreational activities, cocaine, you know this whole Mark Furman's the 855 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.079 Nazi thing. So two months after the murders in October 856 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.320 of ninety four, this dude wrote a book his name 857 00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.760 Steven Singular. I think he published it maybe during the 858 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:00.519 trial or short. 859 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.239 Of they're after I'm familiar with him. 860 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.360 You know, Steven Singular. Okay, So he gets a phone 861 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:11.039 call from the prosecutor of a deputy prosecutor who tells 862 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:15.639 him all these these intimate details of their investigation that 863 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.000 they're like, Hey, this dude's planning evidence. Here's the evidence 864 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.199 he planned talking about Furman. It's all part of this 865 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:24.719 white nationalist movement, right, He's connected to these people in Idaho. 866 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:29.079 So he was connected. He ends up retiring to Sandpoint, 867 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.320 Idaho after he gets fired slash retire from LAPD in 868 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.199 ninety five. In December of ninety five. However, this is 869 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.719 August of ninety four, and this LA prosecutors deputy prosecutors 870 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.679 call him and saying, look, the prosecutor's office has lost 871 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.239 their shit, you know, and they got the author. I 872 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.199 don't think he's ever named the prosecutor, but there was 873 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.239 a couple of prosecutors of Republic deputies. You could probably 874 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.119 assume it was one of them. You know, they're public 875 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.119 publicly against Marshall Clark and gang and the prosecution. 876 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:56.760 Right, And he said Idaho. 877 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.559 Yeah, So he says Mark Furman's connected to the white 878 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.039 nationalist group out of Idaho, that this Stephen Singular dude 879 00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.880 wrote a book about. Right, So, this white nationalist group 880 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.119 launched this national campaign of terror, if you will, right 881 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.800 back in nineteen eighty three, I think it was. They 882 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.599 end up robbing a bunch of banks. They murdered a 883 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.159 radio host in Denver, Colorado. That's what Stevens Singular wrote 884 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.960 His book about. This group was called The Order. Hollywood 885 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:28.159 just made another movie about these people. So this deputy 886 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.360 prosecutor is telling the dude who wrote a book about 887 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.599 that burg murder at the hands of these Nazis from 888 00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:36.480 northern Idaho and how they all launched this plan. So 889 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.519 he's saying that they launched a new plan for a 890 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.199 ten year anniversary of the Berg murder. Right, this is 891 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.119 the story that the singular guy gets, right, and he goes, well, 892 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.800 what do you want me to do? I'm a journalist 893 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.400 in Denver. He goes, you work for the prosecutors. Obvious says, yeah, 894 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.360 they don't want any of this stuff here. They're going 895 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.199 a different direction. And so he says, he goes, what 896 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.800 do I do? And they said take it to the defense. 897 00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.519 So he actually did contact the defense and met with 898 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.440 the defense. Again, this is early on in the investigation 899 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.159 and the he writes he writes about in his book, 900 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:09.039 but the details he he you know, conveys to the 901 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.280 defense ended up playing out in court. And I'll get 902 00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:12.760 into some of that when we get into the forensics. 903 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:14.800 But you know, he gets a call about these white 904 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.480 nationalists launching another campaign of terror. Right, there's another number 905 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.320 of events that are allegedly connected to this. But part 906 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.840 of that campaign of terror was to kill a one 907 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.760 at this national meeting in i at northern Idaho in 908 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.679 nineteen ninety four near Sandpoint where Firman lifts today, has 909 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.559 lift since ninety five. Right, So he's got deep connections 910 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.599 to these folks. Right, So whether or not he seems 911 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.199 like he played a very prominent role in that. But 912 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.559 it seems like what you're describing was very personal, right, 913 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.039 This is a very this was their intent was to 914 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:44.119 make it look that way too. 915 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.320 Yeah, so I get I guess that would make sense 916 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.239 that they're trying to make it look a certain way 917 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.079 as well, because it's like I said, you know, yeah, 918 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.000 Ron was sliced up like they they stabbed him multiple times. 919 00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.559 But to go to the links of what they did 920 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:03.039 with Nicole, I feel like, if we're going to go 921 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.679 with oj did not do it, they certainly did a 922 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.840 good job making it look like a crime of passion, 923 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:10.639 for sure. 924 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.320 I think that's an accurate statement, and that is the 925 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.559 professed nature of their goals as well. So here we 926 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:19.679 have alan Berg was murdered in June eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, 927 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:23.639 by a white supremacist group named the Order. Again, so 928 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.800 this is this film that just got released here twenty 929 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.039 twenty four from Big Hollywood picture that's based upon the murder. 930 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.360 You know, this campaign of this, these domestic terror events 931 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:37.800 by this white nationalist group launched out Hayden Lake Standpoint, Idaho. Again, 932 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.159 Furman's connected these people back to this point. According to 933 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.599 whatever the Prosecutor's office developed and then later kicked off 934 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.800 at LA, the Internal Affairs investigation, right, was part of this. 935 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.639 This was some of the same stuff. So this they 936 00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.480 didn't make I don't think they made that part public, 937 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.880 the Idaho part, But according to Stephen Singler's book, it 938 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.639 was that was a circumstances so. 939 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:01.039 Well, in Stephen singular, how I was able to come 940 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.440 across him is he's actually done a lot of good 941 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:11.039 work on John Benet Ramsey as well and all of 942 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.760 the Uh yeah, I mean he does a great job 943 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.159 connecting all the big wigs and all the eyes wide 944 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:22.400 shutters of Colorado with the Ramsey family and some some 945 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.000 crazy stuff that happened with John Beney. So I mean, 946 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.880 I definitely know this guy does great research. So I 947 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.400 was surprised to hear you even bring him up in 948 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.400 regards to this, because I had no idea he ever 949 00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.880 was involved or or wrote anything about it. 950 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.280 Oh yeah, he published this in ninety like I said, 951 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:43.639 January of ninety. 952 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.519 Five, Legacy of Deception. 953 00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.639 Wow, the trial had even started. Yet again, he met 954 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.159 with folks in August ninety four over these matters because again, 955 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:56.719 you know, they he got tapped off by you know, 956 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.679 some legitimate sources. And again it apparently checked out. So 957 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.159 is because he wrote this book Talk to Death, so 958 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.760 that la prosecutor was like the people you wrote about 959 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.800 in this book in eighty seven are responsible here for 960 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.159 these activities here in ninety four, right, damn. And Furman's 961 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.320 associated with it all. And again Furman retires up there afterwards, right, 962 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.800 And that's where that's where he lives today, where he's 963 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.239 been providing commentary for the last two and a half 964 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:27.239 years on the Idaho for murders. Really, yes, ma'am, I 965 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:28.199 can't make this shit up. 966 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:33.119 Yeah, I mean, that's too much. That's that's too much. 967 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.239 It's a little bit right, it's a little bit out there, right. 968 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:41.719 Yeah, all right. So actually I need to run to 969 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.760 the restroom really quick. But I noticed in the comments 970 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:52.679 section somebody said, do you think that Chloe Kardashian is 971 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:57.679 OJ Simpson? And I just wanted to say, really quick 972 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.760 for I runt of the restroom, that yes, I do 973 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:03.760 think that Chloe is O. J. Simpsons. 974 00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:07.599 But absolutely well, I actually have a brief for us. 975 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:08.719 While you do that, I have a. 976 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.119 Perfect, perfect hang on just a second, I'll be right back. 977 00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.400 Sounds good. Were this is our intermission because I can't 978 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.079 find the other one I had. But here's Oorenthal James Simpson. 979 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:24.800 I'm confirming that he went clear scientology style. I believe 980 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.039 his interviews from nineteen eighty four. 981 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:29.719 At one point I felt I had reached the state 982 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.199 of clear right is, which is in scientology, I guess, 983 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.719 is the area where you kind of you're one with all, 984 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.159 see y'all noel. At least that's the way I interpreted 985 00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:41.679 it as. 986 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.719 Time state I thought I had or I had from 987 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.360 time to time reached that state. 988 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.519 Especially as an athlete, sometimes you just feel that you're 989 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.679 total controlling your surroundings that can let me wheel everything 990 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:54.159 around you. 991 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.800 So you know, you don't have to take my word 992 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.719 for it, folks of interwebs. Orenthal James Simpson, you know 993 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.599 it was definitely a scientologist. So at the time of 994 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.159 the murders, he had just finished starring in A Naked 995 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.039 Gun I believe thirty three and a third. They just 996 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.199 maybe had released it or had just completed filming let's 997 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.719 see here. It was released March eighteenth of nineteen ninety four, 998 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:26.519 and then again the murders occur on June twelfth, nineteen 999 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.400 ninety four. So this U. It's interesting because I always 1000 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.840 assert that scientologists stick together in these especially in these 1001 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.119 Hollywood productions, And you'll find Orenthal James Simpson here along 1002 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.159 with Priscilla Presley starring in the Naked Gun franchise there 1003 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.840 in Priscilla Presley obviously apparently a multi decade scientologist, to 1004 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:49.519 the point where Lisa Marie grew up in it and 1005 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:51.719 apparently died while still being a scientologist. 1006 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.679 I've always thought that, thank you. I always thought that 1007 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.800 he must have done it because of his weird scientology 1008 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.840 weirdness and the fact that he was in uh some 1009 00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.920 other movie where they they like trained him how to 1010 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:09.679 use a switchblade, n eye or something like that, you 1011 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:10.639 know what I'm talking about. 1012 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.280 Yeah, I've heard these tales of the of the Navy stuff. 1013 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.239 I think that the Navy Seals movie he was doing. Yeah, 1014 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.039 I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I put a 1015 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:19.559 lot of creams into that, but you know, you never know, right, 1016 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:21.559 maybe maybe he got that job to set him up 1017 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.559 for these murders. Right. See the amount of planning I'm 1018 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:25.559 saying probably went into this. 1019 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:26.719 Yeah. 1020 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:32.239 Yeah, So so if you had to just like sum 1021 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:34.519 it up in the best way you could. Why do 1022 00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:38.920 you what was the motive to get rid of Nicole? 1023 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.639 Well, that's a that's a good question. Let me let 1024 00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.039 me finish building their backstory here and and we'll get 1025 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.519 to that. I think here, did you see this though? 1026 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:46.599 While you're While you're away? 1027 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:48.760 I played this clip At one point I felt I 1028 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.039 had reached the state of clear. 1029 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.920 Right, I don't ever want to go clear. That's what 1030 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:53.880 happens when you go clear. 1031 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.840 But yeah, I left my headphones on so I could 1032 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:02.119 hear whatever the clip. But I mean, I just I 1033 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.920 he's he's a weird guy, and it's easy to pin 1034 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.920 it on him because he makes himself look like shit. 1035 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:12.199 Yeah, and you just got to look at who these 1036 00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:13.800 people associate with. And that's what I was kind of 1037 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:15.880 getting out with their backstory. Right, So this is, you know, 1038 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.599 the late eighties. They're doing fly stuff, cocaine stuff, Larry 1039 00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:22.039 Flyn stuff, right, you know. And they get married in 1040 00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.280 eighty five and essentially split in ninety one. But they 1041 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.559 met in seventy seven, right, She was a waitress at 1042 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.639 a bar in Hollywood. He was a star, right, And 1043 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.199 at the same time he's getting associated with scientology, right 1044 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:36.400 it at the same time he meets her. So I 1045 00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.519 don't know if her associations with scientology, but I suspect 1046 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.480 she had some you know, in that regard, because again, 1047 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.119 that's when they first link up. He's actually married to 1048 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:46.280 his first wife at that point. 1049 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:46.760 Right. 1050 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.760 And when you asked when the comment about whether or 1051 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.719 not Chloe Kardashian was that the Kardashian Chloe Kardashian with 1052 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.559 his daughter. She looks exactly like his daughter from his 1053 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:04.079 first urge, I haven't seen her. I'll bring that up 1054 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.039 here a minute. They look they're both kind of linebacker 1055 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.840 like I'm just saying, they could have played fullback if 1056 00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.760 there were men. Wow, and so and look at Chloe 1057 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:14.199 versus her sisters, right. 1058 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.800 Right, So, I know she's went through a lot of 1059 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.679 plastic surgery recently. I don't know if she's gotten on 1060 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:26.280 ozempic or what. It looks like she's gotten her her 1061 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:30.239 her skeletal structure completely redone. I mean, it looks like 1062 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.519 they've broken her jaw and done all kinds of stuff 1063 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:36.079 to get her to look more feminized. But sure, if 1064 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.800 you see if you see old pictures of Chloe, not 1065 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.239 new pictures of Chloe, Like, og, Chloe, Like, dude, that 1066 00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.639 that is one OJ's kid. 1067 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.559 In my opinion, I agree, and I apologize. I was 1068 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.559 referring to his daughter with Nicole. Sidney and Chloe look 1069 00:57:54.599 --> 00:58:01.440 a lot alike. Mmm, bring up a picture right now. 1070 00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:06.320 For us here, okay, perfect, because I'm so curious. 1071 00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:08.320 I think they're roughly the same age. So they used 1072 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.920 to vacation every year together. Robert Kardashian, Robert Kardashian and 1073 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.079 OJ go back to think seventy two, they were tight. 1074 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:18.920 That's his first daughter. 1075 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:21.639 That's his daughter with Nicole. Yeah, that's Sydney. 1076 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.800 See, I don't think she looks anything like Nicole. This 1077 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.800 goes back to the whole Nicole is a biological man 1078 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:37.360 thing because it's like, I don't know, dude, I don't 1079 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:39.800 And like if you pull up could you pull up 1080 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.400 some pictures of Nicole, like with her five o'clock shadow, 1081 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.880 it appears to be you know what I mean? Like, 1082 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.599 there are there are things that I've noticed just and 1083 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.519 you know, before I get roasted in the comments section, 1084 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.960 let me just make this clear. I have been following 1085 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:06.199 what I would consider to be reputable sources who look 1086 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:11.000 at celebrities, and they can tell you whether or not 1087 00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.960 they're a biological man or a biological woman based on 1088 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.159 their bone structure. The same way that archaeologists can dig 1089 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.159 up skeletons in Egypt and tell you which ones are 1090 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.760 male and which ones are female. You can do it 1091 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.559 with living people too. It's not that hard. And there 1092 00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:34.159 is a lot of discrepancies in Nicole Brown Simpson's skeleton 1093 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:39.199 that would suggest she was a biological man. 1094 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:41.679 I'm not yeah, yeah, I mean. 1095 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.679 Right, yeah, well, and I'm not saying that it had 1096 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:54.119 This is absolutely but I mean the jawline, the kneecaps, 1097 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.199 the elbows, for sure, her hands are huge and h 1098 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.039 you know, I'm sure there's another one. There's a picture 1099 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.960 of her and oj At like some kind of red 1100 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.880 carpet event. I think their kids are with them, and 1101 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.800 she's got like the whole five o'clock shadow thing going on. 1102 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.239 I don't know if you can see that picture on there. 1103 01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:21.360 I'll bring that up here one moment, police. So here's 1104 01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.119 one of the I mean again, there's lots of these 1105 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.480 family photos that got over with the Kardashians, the Jenners 1106 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.760 and the you know, the the Simpsons. You get Nicole 1107 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:30.280 right here and oj so. 1108 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:32.760 For comfort. 1109 01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.159 Well, what you're describing here makes a lot of sense 1110 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:36.840 from my heads at man, because these folks, what I'm 1111 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:38.199 getting out, You got to look at these folks and 1112 01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:41.039 who they're dealing with, their activities, their social life, et cetera, 1113 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.199 and none of it pans out well for these folks. 1114 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.280 So I imagine they were probably into some weird sexual 1115 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.360 proclivities and activities. So we can see that through the 1116 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.239 Jenner family, who's got all sorts of train and stuff 1117 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:51.920 all around it, including some of them. 1118 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.679 That's what I'm saying is like I hate to say 1119 01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.880 guilt by association, but they're all kind of into this stuff. 1120 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.559 Well exactly, so some of the even some of the 1121 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.800 Jenner girls, their baby daddies or something like one of 1122 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.480 them is a baby daddy's a rapper and he he 1123 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:07.840 openly dates trans. 1124 01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.840 They're all I'm telling you, they're all into this stuff. 1125 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.360 And it's super easy to fake a pregnancy bomb. 1126 01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:18.320 You know that. 1127 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:23.480 That's that's something. I mean, Hollywood does it all the time. 1128 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.280 You know, it's super easy to fake a pregnancy bomb. 1129 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.079 So I don't want people coming after me in the 1130 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.559 comments talking about well there's pictures of her pregnant. Yeah, 1131 01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:35.360 I could look pregnant tomorrow if I want you to, right, 1132 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:35.800 I can. 1133 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:39.280 Bring up said. I can bring up Beyonce fake pregnancy 1134 01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.039 bump she got caught with. I can bring up another 1135 01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:42.360 one if you want me to. Just show folks, So 1136 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.599 Charlie's their own. Charlie's throng claims to have gained seventy 1137 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:48.519 pounds of a beer belly for a party. You're a 1138 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.239 pregnant lady, And I would argue that's her name is 1139 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.480 really Charlie. Her father is a multi millionaire South African banker. 1140 01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:57.960 I remember correctly, dude, That's what I'm saying. It's like, 1141 01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:02.079 there are photos of Nicole and somebody put in the 1142 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.280 commons istant Nicole, Meg and Kelly Megan. Kelly has actually 1143 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.639 addressed that, And I think it's a fun theory to, 1144 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.840 you know, toss around. But no, I think the transgender 1145 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:13.599 actual Nicole is dead. 1146 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.480 You know, I didn't know that was a thing. 1147 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:18.360 Yeah they say that. 1148 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:20.639 I mean I kind of liked I kind of like 1149 01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:22.079 it in concept. I don't know, I don't know the 1150 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:23.760 details of it, but I kind of like it in concept. 1151 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.079 I mentioned it in my series because a lot of 1152 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:32.840 people bring that up. But I will say that Megan 1153 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:36.960 Kelly herself has actually addressed that. And while they do 1154 01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.440 look similar, I do think that the Trance Nicole that 1155 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.239 was married to Oj Simpson is dead. I don't know 1156 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.360 who did it. I want to think that it was Oj, 1157 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:51.159 because he's fucking weird. But I'm super open, like you've 1158 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.840 already got me halfway on the fence wondering what the 1159 01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.000 hell's going on? See, look at Beyonce's fake bump. It 1160 01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.360 is stuff. Look at this stuff. 1161 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.239 So there was another another star I think was Miley 1162 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:03.760 Cyrus that did it, you know what I mean? So 1163 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.880 like these things happen again. Charlie's stair On, she claims 1164 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.440 she did she gained uh you know, she did it 1165 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:10.800 all for a part, you know what I mean. She 1166 01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:17.320 claimed it was all beer belly. Yeah, okay, right, you know, 1167 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.719 and again, I you know, there's I got so Charlie 1168 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.960 stair On she said to two young African children, you 1169 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.559 know you've won the lottery. Congratulations, you're an American. Now 1170 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.239 I adopted you. Also, Congratulations, I'm changing your gender. You're 1171 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:29.800 now a girl. 1172 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:36.280 Yeah. They love to do that, don't they yeah, look at. 1173 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:38.599 Uh some kind of crazy shit, is that right? 1174 01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:42.239 Oh? Uh, Angeline and Jolie and Brad Pitt did that 1175 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.840 with their gaggle of geese. Oh it's a boy, now 1176 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.519 it's a girl. Now it's a boy again. I mean 1177 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.559 they literally they love that stuff. 1178 01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:59.320 Yes, these scientology schooled children of will and uh Jada 1179 01:03:59.400 --> 01:03:59.960 Pinkett's men. 1180 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.840 Well you know what they say that the girl was 1181 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:08.559 named after the dad because that's the biological male, right, 1182 01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:12.639 and that the boy was named after the mom because 1183 01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:18.599 that's the biological female. It's Willow and Jaden. 1184 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:23.719 Like, come on right, playing pregnant and soul. He was 1185 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.360 more physically taxing than Mad Max or Atomic Blonde. Get 1186 01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:29.119 out of town. What are you talking? 1187 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:33.480 Get the fuck out man, this But this is what 1188 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:38.840 I'm saying. It's like, if there was motivation outside of 1189 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:43.199 OJ to kill Nicole in this way, in this very 1190 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.800 very brutal way, I think that the that there's so 1191 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:52.039 many levels to it, it's it's hard to it's hard 1192 01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:55.639 to imagine what all they were into. But I mean 1193 01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.880 there's even there's even talks that OJ's son from his 1194 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.760 first marriage killed her because. 1195 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.000 Well, again, I think that's weird. Yeah, I'm familiar with 1196 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:08.400 that theory. I'm familiar that theory. I think it spends 1197 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.079 a lot of the actual evidence that doesn't exist against 1198 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:13.239 OJ and then tries to spin it off on with 1199 01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:15.920 this guy. So I think all that's well designed and 1200 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.280 by playing. But would you agree with me? Charlie Staron 1201 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:19.360 looks pregnant, right. 1202 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.239 Hyeah, I'm sure she would love us to think she 1203 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:24.159 was pregnant. 1204 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.559 This is this is not on the film. This is 1205 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.159 during the filming, but not on the set. So she's again. 1206 01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.599 She claimed that was a seventy pounds. Seventy pound beer belly. 1207 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:34.920 She gained. What kind of woman puts all her weight 1208 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.079 in a beer belly? I'm gonna go and no woman 1209 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:39.400 at all? 1210 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:43.079 Right, No, probably no woman at all. I would say 1211 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:48.639 that by the look of her face, I don't know 1212 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.119 like it. It's disproportionate to me to be a beer belly. 1213 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.800 You know what I'm saying. Are you frozen? 1214 01:05:58.039 --> 01:05:59.960 Oh JJ, I'm back and back. 1215 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.079 I said, it looks proportionate to me. 1216 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.719 Really, because I would I would expect, I would expect 1217 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.480 more weight in the arms and maybe even the hips 1218 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.119 or something like that. And literally, when there's no other 1219 01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.079 photographs from the film and whatnot, and scenes from the 1220 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:15.320 film where you can see her, you know, with the 1221 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.920 belly up and everything. It's literally all in her lower abdomen. 1222 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:22.039 Well, no, I'm saying if if it was if she 1223 01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.440 was saying that she drank enough beer to get her 1224 01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:30.360 stomach looking like that, it would be more evenly dispersed, right, 1225 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:32.719 is what I'm saying. 1226 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.559 I think it we just got some weight here, but 1227 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:36.360 I don't think enough, right, you know what I mean? 1228 01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:39.480 Right, That's what I'm saying, is it looks disproportionate, Like 1229 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:43.719 why is it all congregated in the stomach? 1230 01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.280 And I know you were you weren't born until the 1231 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.440 ninety four, like I said, and you also weren't aren't 1232 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:51.280 a man. But she was prominently displayed in the late 1233 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:52.960 night or mid to late nineties in a film called 1234 01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.719 Reindeer Games topless, very memorable moment for any teenage male 1235 01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:00.119 in the nineties, like myself. However, I would argue some 1236 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:01.719 of that might even be cgi because you can look 1237 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:08.960 at her films later, like where did this Ladies Presco? Yeah, yeah, 1238 01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:11.599 and you think, well, they're not doing that thing well. 1239 01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.480 In the nineteen ninety five film I think it was 1240 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.199 barbed Wire. You know, this is a big news event. 1241 01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:20.199 Member in the nineties as well, Pamela Anderson would not 1242 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.840 pose nude in the film for this movie, barbed Wire, 1243 01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:25.079 despite her already posing for Playboy, and it was a 1244 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.320 big controversy surrounding these details. Right, So the idea of 1245 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.400 transferring someone's face into someone else's body is not absurd 1246 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.400 in Hollywood at that time, especially since in nineteen eighty 1247 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:37.519 eight when they did Back to the Future too, Chrispin Glover, 1248 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:39.880 Like we were just talking about last week Back to 1249 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:43.159 the Future film review, Crispin Glover, he was not in 1250 01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.159 number two because and they superposed some stuff and played 1251 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:46.800 some trickeries. 1252 01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:51.360 So you know, they can literally fake anything. I mean, 1253 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:54.039 they faked the moon landing for Christ's sake, and people 1254 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:55.239 are still believing that. 1255 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:57.760 You and Kidd and people still believe that, don't they. 1256 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.559 Yeah, I mean it's easy to fake stuff like that 1257 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:03.400 for sure. 1258 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.559 So I think we've we've laid some good groundwork here 1259 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.760 as far as some of the backstory and characters evolved 1260 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.519 with with some of these activities, and maybe even some 1261 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.479 substantiates some claims as to why these things may be 1262 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:19.159 going on. I would assert these folks have been associated 1263 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:21.600 with some hood rat activities for for a long time. 1264 01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:25.199 And again, when you imply that maybe Sidney Simpson and 1265 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.760 and uh, you know, Chloe Kardashian have the same dad, 1266 01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:30.399 I think that's you know, they look a lot alike. 1267 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.920 They look more like sisters than she does with the 1268 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.560 rest of the Kardashians if you ask me. 1269 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:40.000 But she looks nothing like the other Kardashians to an 1270 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:44.319 annoying degree. Like it's it's almost like, are you seriously 1271 01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:46.960 trying to say that this one is with the rest 1272 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:51.479 of them? Like one of these is not like the other. 1273 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:59.439 Like it's she I mean size wise looks wise. And again, 1274 01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.920 you know, when they're vacationing with the Simpsons, you know, 1275 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:05.439 and they're doing you know, weird sexual swinger con activities, 1276 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:07.279 I think that's certainly plausible, right. 1277 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:10.880 That dude, that's what they were doing at the Tate 1278 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.680 House too. Just to bring that up. I mean, they 1279 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.960 were infamous wife swapping and right doing making videos of 1280 01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:23.560 the ship and like exactly swapping sharing around. I mean, 1281 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.600 who even knows what whose baby she was pregnant with 1282 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:28.640 at the time. Maybe that's what got her killed if 1283 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.720 she was actually killed. But I mean. 1284 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:36.199 Too, you can't know who that daddy is, right, No, man, 1285 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:36.920 they was doing. 1286 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:39.800 All kinds of wife swapping and nasty stuff. And I'm 1287 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:43.560 sure that the Kardashians were doing that ship too. That's 1288 01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:47.079 maybe that's why he was so gung ho to represent 1289 01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:47.800 oj I. 1290 01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:53.319 Don't know, right right, right, before we get any further here, 1291 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:58.039 let me just fix something here. We're getting further into 1292 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.039 the evidence here when we're discussed some of what the 1293 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.319 salient characteristics that have convinced you that this was indeed 1294 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.600 the work of Orenthal James Simpson, I just want to 1295 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.800 go over some of the cast of characters, you know, 1296 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.000 a little bit further detail, if you will, and we'll 1297 01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:13.600 go into the going to the witness we'll go into 1298 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:17.319 the state's evidence and the witnesses as well. But you know, 1299 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:19.439 the cast of characters I think is very interesting. So 1300 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:22.960 when you're describing how we're sold these things, and like 1301 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.800 I was saying before, this is kind of more or 1302 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:29.039 less whole hog effective, you will, right, let me once 1303 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.560 saying it's kind of fix something here real fast, Okay, 1304 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.199 good to go. So you know I was saying, like 1305 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.840 we're sold this media, this new media campaign of where 1306 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:47.640 everyone's going to see the whole court trial. We don't 1307 01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.159 see court trials. And I think it's this is part 1308 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:53.560 of the magic show of you will convincing folks that 1309 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.640 we have this open, public court system that's fair and objective. 1310 01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.399 And we do so by events like this where we're like, oh, well, 1311 01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:06.279 we televise the whole oh shit, well back year back 1312 01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.079 and the idea farmers and that's almost all censored and 1313 01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:13.920 you know, uh, you know sealed. Right, So but you know, 1314 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.439 the people who sold us the O. J. Simpson case 1315 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:19.439 is interesting to me. So we first see Charles Groden, Right, 1316 01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:22.479 he's now one of these media news pundits who's gonna 1317 01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:24.720 start bringing us updates on the on the O. J. 1318 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.119 Simpson case every day. Granted he was an actor already. 1319 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:29.199 I'm saying, we meet him in this new capacity, right. 1320 01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:31.039 Are you familiar with Charles Groden? 1321 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:33.239 Uh? Not really. 1322 01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.279 Soon Charles Groden is this fella? 1323 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.600 Okay, Yeah, I've seen him before, gotcha. 1324 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:44.359 Charles Groden in a panel of yelling weirdos discuss the 1325 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.760 OJ Simpson case. That's precisely what I'm talking about. He 1326 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:48.640 was a nut job when he came out about these things. 1327 01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.319 Charles Groden got his start in Hollywood thanks to Cocaine 1328 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:54.319 Bob Evans in the film Rosemary No. 1329 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:57.680 Stop It, shut your mouth. 1330 01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:03.000 Yes, mallam, oh, he plays that doctor and there he 1331 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:03.600 is right there. 1332 01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:05.600 Yeah, he does see. 1333 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:06.560 Him right here in the image from. 1334 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:10.279 The film does Yeah, he was. 1335 01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:12.520 The dad in Beethoven. He played with de Niro and 1336 01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.279 Midnight Run. De Niro's career also made in part or 1337 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.520 in fully thanks to Bob Cocaine Evans. So you see 1338 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:21.199 a lot of these people sticking together over the years. 1339 01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.039 But yeah, Groad and that's where he got his start, right, 1340 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:26.720 and again we see him in the media. Then we 1341 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:31.640 also meet Greta van Sustern later Fox News funded at 1342 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.039 this time CNN scientologists at the time too. By the way, 1343 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:38.840 So when you're describing these things as maybe Nicole Brown 1344 01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:40.479 Simpson might have been making, Kelly, I was like, wait 1345 01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:44.159 a second, that's interesting because we're sold these new media 1346 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.640 packages and pundits as a result of this case, right, 1347 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.000 and they all have some strangers connections, right, all back 1348 01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.920 to this you know process being the dark wing of scientology, 1349 01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:54.279 as as I assert, and you know, and you have 1350 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:56.760 all these scientologists as well. And then you know, we 1351 01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.680 also get Charles Manson's friend, Ira Reiner, the former district 1352 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.279 attorney from Los Angeles from eighty four to ninety two. 1353 01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:07.880 He prosecuted some interesting cases during that time, but we 1354 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.359 get him as as immediate pundit as well in this case. 1355 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.880 So you know, when when you're saying these things, and 1356 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.119 you know, Megan Kelly, I don't know this for a fact. 1357 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.680 I've never witnessed it, but I did. I have a 1358 01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.239 lot of one of my old Air Force dudes, got 1359 01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.520 out of the Air Force, went to college and you know, 1360 01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.680 TV broadcasting or whatever, and got a job at Fox 1361 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:27.840 News and kind of worked his way up in production there, right, 1362 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:29.720 And you know, I used to go hang out there 1363 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.039 a lot of times in the city because it was 1364 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.880 very much a party atmosphere, right, It's a lot of 1365 01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:36.239 drinking going on, back in my drinking days. And you know, 1366 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:38.119 so I got another production staff. I played on their 1367 01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.760 fantasy baseball team a couple of years, went back to 1368 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:42.720 back years and stuff. So you know, I never worked there, 1369 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:45.800 but I think some people thought I might have. But anyway, 1370 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.720 I heard stories there. You know, I heard she had 1371 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.560 quite a cocaine habit, for example. And it'd be interesting 1372 01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:54.319 because Nicole Brown Simpson had quite a cocaine habit. 1373 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:55.720 Yes she did. 1374 01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:59.399 That's very interesting you mentioned that. I never heard that before. So, 1375 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:01.920 but it kind of plays what I'm saying is we're 1376 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.479 sold these new media characters. Right, Greta van Sustern again, right, 1377 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.960 you know today she's like, oh, I regret my time 1378 01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:11.119 spent covering the og In trial. Good for you, lady, 1379 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.600 because you know it was kind of a kind of 1380 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:17.920 nut jobbery if you ask me. Right. And on that 1381 01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:22.239 same note, we get Marcia Clark. She's also providing commentary 1382 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.439 today on the Idaho case, right, strangely enough, and she 1383 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:30.399 was a prosecutor La County prosecutor prosecuting this case, Lee prosecutor. Right, 1384 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.920 she was a scientologist at the time. She was married 1385 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:41.199 to it. She was it gets worse. I can't make 1386 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.720 this shit up, ma'am so. And this is this is 1387 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:46.520 an article she wrote herself in nineteen ninety seven, I believe, 1388 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:48.560 and I'll put these links in the show notes here. 1389 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:51.640 But her husband at the time is fellow by the 1390 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:55.359 name of Gordon Clark. He was an OT seven executive 1391 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.199 staff member of scientology. So he was a billion year 1392 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:02.479 contract guy. Right. So the guy that married them was 1393 01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:05.520 the scientologist named Bruce Roman. She writes about this in 1394 01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:10.560 her article. And Bruce Roman just happened to be friends 1395 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.920 with her first husband as well, he was also a scientologist. 1396 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.640 This Gabby Horowitz guy right, and Bruce Roman, marys Marcia 1397 01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:19.039 Clark and her new husband, and then you know, shortly thereafter, 1398 01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:23.000 somehow murders Gabby Horowitz, her first husband, her ex husband 1399 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:29.560 what and doesn't get charged. Courtesy of Ira Reiner Charles no, 1400 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:34.000 stop it. Yeah, I can't make this shit up. 1401 01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:37.119 Small fucking circles. 1402 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.720 So you see there's a lot of connections back to 1403 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:43.840 these manson situations from the OJ case and then forward 1404 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:45.960 onto the Idaho case, because why do they select this 1405 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.399 lady or fell in Nazi Furman to provide commentary. And 1406 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:52.159 again this is Ira Reiner. He was the DA from 1407 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:54.439 eighty four to ninety two, and then he was one 1408 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:56.920 of the live pundits we get after that right on 1409 01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:03.439 TV and they were ninety four. He prosecutes the Hillside Stranglers. Wait, 1410 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:07.439 that was before him. He prosecutes Richard Ramirez, He prosecutes 1411 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.920 the Cotton Club murders of Bob Cocaine Evans that he 1412 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.399 let walk, right, the Cotton. 1413 01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:17.520 Club murders and Richard Ramirez are both programmed to kill. 1414 01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:24.319 Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. And uh, the mc martin preschool 1415 01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:25.399 that he did that case. 1416 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:33.720 Too way stop it, stop it, stop it. You're kidding me. 1417 01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:41.319 Yeah, and despite being on it yep, despite being a uh, 1418 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.319 he did the whitewashing h right as the district attorney. 1419 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:46.960 So despite despite calling Bob Evans is the number one 1420 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.720 witness in the case of the murder of against raiding, 1421 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:52.640 number one person you know in the grand jury, right 1422 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:55.560 they were questioning, he pleads the fifth. The judge yells 1423 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:58.079 at him. Ira Reyner never charges him. He's an unindoicted 1424 01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.720 co conspirator in that murder. So you know, he lets 1425 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:04.640 Bob walk, Cocaine Bob walk there, he covers the mc 1426 01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.119 martin stuff. We don't know much about the Richard Ramirez ship. 1427 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:08.079 There's a lot of you said there. 1428 01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:14.720 So he has his hand in all of the program 1429 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:20.960 to kill shit, Mick Martin, free school, Richard Ramirez, Cotton 1430 01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:26.640 Club murders. He's just letting everybody walk. Mother Tucer mansond 1431 01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:31.199 whatnot please tell me he's dead. 1432 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:34.840 During the trials, they say they're looking for a for 1433 01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:37.720 an attorney for Leslie van Hooton, and Charles Manson says, 1434 01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.319 I have a friend who will represent her. And he 1435 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:42.479 called They called each other personal friends, and he was 1436 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:44.199 for a period of time Leslie van. 1437 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:46.279 Hut He said, I have a friend. 1438 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:47.239 Yep. 1439 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:54.399 Oh, please tell me this man died horribly he's still alive. 1440 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:57.600 Oh yeah, Oh my god. 1441 01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:04.439 Do you know the Mick Martin pre school trials one 1442 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:08.159 of the most frustrating things to research that I've ever 1443 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:12.000 looked into. I mean, just the amount of cover ups, 1444 01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:17.079 in the amount of in this guy. Oh my god. 1445 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:21.000 JJ. Right, do you see how I say a lot 1446 01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:23.119 of these things that are all interweaving and connecting here 1447 01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:23.800 in these matters. 1448 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:24.840 Yeah. 1449 01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:29.000 So this is a New York Times article from March 1450 01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:32.479 of nineteen seventy. State gets new star witness in sat 1451 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:36.359 murder case. Right, and then we go down here. First, 1452 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:39.159 Miss van Hooton dismissed your quarter appointed lawyer and selected 1453 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.439 Ira Reiner, a friend of Manson's. 1454 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.720 There you go, a friend of Manson's. 1455 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:49.479 Yep, yes, ma'am. 1456 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:52.359 How is he connected to the O J case? 1457 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:55.439 He was a comedy so he was one of the 1458 01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:58.199 media stars we got selling us the case right on 1459 01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:58.800 TV all the. 1460 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:02.359 Time, right right, Okay, that's what I thought. 1461 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:05.840 But he just left office as a district attorney there, 1462 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:06.840 I think Gil. 1463 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:10.319 He wasn't like the presiding district attorney, but he was 1464 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:11.680 like the mouthpiece. 1465 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.319 Right well, No, he lost the election ninety two. From 1466 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:17.119 eighty four to ninety two, he was the DA there 1467 01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:20.920 in La County. In ninety four, he suddenly he gets 1468 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:22.960 hired as a media pundit to describe this case to 1469 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:23.479 the media. 1470 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.600 Right right, right, That's what I meant. Okay. 1471 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.279 We also meet Phil McGraw old, not a doctor, and 1472 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:32.800 he longer philed because he lost that license. We meet 1473 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:36.359 him for the very first time providing commentary on the 1474 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:41.520 OJ case. Now, doctor Phil, Yes, ma'am. And I've long 1475 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.880 suspected old doctor not a doctor Phil, because he lost 1476 01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:48.119 his license a long time ago. I believe it's how 1477 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:50.279 the story goes. He lost it before even the OJ case. 1478 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.199 I think was ninety one or ninety two that he 1479 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:55.840 lost it or got suspended. I think initially suspended. I 1480 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:57.920 don't know, was foil vot doctor Phil? 1481 01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.319 What how the fuck does he get wrapped s up 1482 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:00.640 in this. 1483 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:02.560 Well? 1484 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:06.239 I would assert, ma'am that there's a good high probability 1485 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:09.880 that doctor Phil is a scientologist or was a scientologist. 1486 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:14.079 So we meet doctor Phil the courtesy of courtesy of 1487 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:18.239 Oprah Winterfree and then in nineteen ninety and then and 1488 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.239 then and then immediately following that on a national stage 1489 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:24.960 over the O. J. Simpson case, providing commentary. In nineteen ninety, 1490 01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:29.159 mcgral co founded Courtrooms Sciences, Incorporated, a trial consulting firm, 1491 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:32.680 with lawyer Gary Dobbs. They would do dry runs of 1492 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:35.520 court cases and simulated courtrooms, and mcgrawl would offer advice 1493 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:37.840 about what part of the lawyer's case worked in what 1494 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.880 parts did not. Mcral is no longer an officer director 1495 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.159 of the company. The TV show Bowl is based on 1496 01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:46.720 mcgrall's experiences as the trial consultant. Mc crawl began work 1497 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:49.199 with Oprah Winfrey through CSI, so that I believe that 1498 01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:53.079 was ninety that was ninety five, Okay, So we actually 1499 01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:55.800 do first meet him in the OJ Simpson trial, then 1500 01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.720 doing these kind of trial consulting commentary on TV. Right, 1501 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:04.680 But prior to that, him and his father started this 1502 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:09.680 self help seminar group out of Texas called Choices, which 1503 01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:13.800 has a lot of hallmarks of what I would describe 1504 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.920 would be a similar thing to executive success programs of 1505 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:17.760 the Nexium cult. 1506 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:26.960 Really yeah, yep, Doctor. 1507 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:32.720 Phil right, so uh Damba Box was a creator and 1508 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.760 founder of Choices seminars in eighty three. She was successful 1509 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:38.920 to Texas businesswoman who started Choices along with doctor Phil 1510 01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:45.000 and his father Joe McGraw. So when you're describing these 1511 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:47.680 people that were being sold right as a result of 1512 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:50.279 these trial making again the whole hog effect effect of 1513 01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:54.079 making money off of, you know, everything. Regarding these high 1514 01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:57.039 profile events, we see a lot of questionable characters that 1515 01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:58.760 get introduced to us, and they all seem to have 1516 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:03.000 a lot of deep signedology slash process slash Manson roots 1517 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:06.159 slash cocaine Bob. So it's all kind of the same 1518 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:08.680 network if you ask me. But you know, doctor Phil's 1519 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:10.399 no different if you ask me as well. 1520 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:14.640 So like the OJ thing kind of like busted him 1521 01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:18.680 out onto the scene as well as part of the sensationalism. 1522 01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:22.079 And strangely enough, when O. J. Simpson gets busted for 1523 01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:25.920 the kidnapping robbery charge in Vegas in the in the Mideatts. 1524 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:29.039 The one person we see erupt on the national scene 1525 01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:32.800 as the go to person providing commentary news on that 1526 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:35.119 case is a lady by the name of Ashley Banfield. 1527 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:38.279 She now plays the front runner as the propaganda mouthpiece 1528 01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:40.439 in the Idaho for meers on News Nation. 1529 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:41.800 Wow. 1530 01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:48.800 Yeah, so these are like eight I kind of have 1531 01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.520 to go back to what I asked you before it 1532 01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:54.159 and it makes me wonder if this shit isn't all 1533 01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:57.720 staged and like Nicole never died. 1534 01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:00.960 Well again, I like the idea, especially when you're talking 1535 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.159 about Megan and Kelly, but you know I would consider that. 1536 01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:05.680 I would, but I would leave your mind open to 1537 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:08.479 it's not mutually exclusive. She can still die and they 1538 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:10.840 can still use all of these things to the same effect. 1539 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:15.479 So let's talk about the autopsy then, because I'm just 1540 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:19.079 curious what your thoughts are on all of that. 1541 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.039 Sure, well, I think you built I think we built 1542 01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.680 a good strong case there for motivations on these things 1543 01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:29.560 regarding these chaotic again processed church chaos social turbulence. Right, 1544 01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:34.479 the processed church grows out of the Tavistocks concepts of 1545 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:36.720 what they described and wrote down a research paper called 1546 01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:40.560 Social turbulence in nineteen sixty three. So, and it is 1547 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:44.319 this idea of creating these chaotic cultural events that are 1548 01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:47.880 very polarizing, in which the social engineer and direct society 1549 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:49.199 in the manner in which you wish to do so. 1550 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:51.039 Mix it max society malleable. 1551 01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:51.279 Right. 1552 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:53.920 That's literally what they wrote. And the guy who wrote 1553 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.760 the paper founded tavia Stock and then invaded America the 1554 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.960 same time the Processed Church did in sixty eight. Except 1555 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.720 for Alan Trist's he goes to UCLA and works with 1556 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.239 Jolly and West to the psychology department briefly before I 1557 01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:12.039 think we go to Oklahoma or wherever he went after that, 1558 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:14.520 but they have a cross over there. Alan Trist's son, 1559 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:18.960 Eric Trist, was best friends with Grateful Dead lead singer 1560 01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:24.119 Jerry Garcia and was the band's publishing house president. The 1561 01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:27.760 Tavistock son ran the Grateful Dead's publishing house, and he 1562 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:28.760 just died a few years ago. 1563 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:35.039 Wow. You know, I did all that research on Laurel Canyon, 1564 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:39.119 and I never got into I'm aware of Tavistock, but 1565 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:43.119 not like all the details, like as far as that goes. 1566 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:46.640 But sure, I know, you know, the Beatles and stuff 1567 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:52.279 are Tavistock and they've had their you know, well, I 1568 01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:55.359 didn't know that shit, but I know that they've had 1569 01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:59.840 their impact on on you know, culture forever long. 1570 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:04.239 But so that's a good point. And they still do 1571 01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:06.199 if you ask me. So there's a fellow by the 1572 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:11.119 name of Peter Asher, major figure in music production and 1573 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.079 publishing and whatnot. He owned a coffee shop in the 1574 01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:20.720 Mayfair district, Serca nineteen sixty four, the Sativa Cafe into 1575 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.319 Indico Indica, a cafe I got my pots friends mixed 1576 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:26.079 up Indica Cafe. He was a member of the Process. 1577 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:30.279 His sister, well, they're all process or scientology. 1578 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.800 Yeah, well, any process is an offshooting. I would allege 1579 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.720 still a dark wing of scientology. But so Peter Asher, 1580 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:40.399 this is the end of cafe is the Process headquarters 1581 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:45.039 in the Mayfair district, right, And his sister's dating Paul McCartney, right, 1582 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.720 And John Lennon meets Yoko Ono at that cafe. And 1583 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.920 Peter and Jane Asher's first cousin is one of the 1584 01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:56.439 founding members of the Process. She's alive and well today 1585 01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.640 in canab Utah. I think she may have just passed 1586 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:01.199 a couple of yars ago. She was alive and well 1587 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:01.840 until recently. 1588 01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:03.119 So. 1589 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:06.079 Peter Asher is a major figure to this day. He's 1590 01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:11.760 wrapped up on the Diddy stuff. Really. Oh yeah, so 1591 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:16.000 this is the guy and he's been very prominent Los Angeles, 1592 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:21.680 not just the UK. Wow. In twenty nineteen, Asher published 1593 01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:23.439 a book The Beatles from Aid Is That about his 1594 01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:29.560 personal reminiscences about reminiscences about the band. Yep, this was 1595 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:33.159 his sister who dated them, who dated the original Paul 1596 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:34.880 not Fall, who dated Paul McCartney. 1597 01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:37.640 I'm glad you clarified that. 1598 01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:39.920 But yeah, they're uh their cousins. 1599 01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:44.840 Well, let me see her face, Jane Asher, well on 1600 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:52.000 stand by please. I guess for an old lady, she's 1601 01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:52.920 not bad. 1602 01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:58.000 Yea. In the day, the Beatles were definitely processing. Like 1603 01:26:58.039 --> 01:26:59.600 I said, how they all met and hung out there 1604 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:03.720 and whatnot, and then they did They did felt you know, 1605 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.720 they introduced to Lima throughout their music, you know, not 1606 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.720 just the curly stuff and Stargeant Peppers. They in fact, 1607 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:12.039 I think it's their album Help the they're doing the 1608 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:14.800 arm signals and hand signals. Nick points out how that's 1609 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:16.880 directly out of Curley, that's directly out of the lima 1610 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:19.439 and those handed arm signals are doing. And they're wearing 1611 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.560 the early kind of processed style cloaks. I'll bring picture. 1612 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:26.840 Well, while you're at it, why don't you bring up 1613 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:29.199 a picture of of the Beatles. 1614 01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:29.319 This. 1615 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:36.960 This was something that one of my fellow conspiracy podcasters 1616 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:41.039 pointed this out to me. Uh, it's the Beatles with 1617 01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:43.760 a bunch of baby parts and like covering. 1618 01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.920 It's creepy. 1619 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.159 Huh yeah, dude, I had never seen that before in 1620 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.279 my life. These are the signals. 1621 01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:56.319 Yeah, can you give me one moment? Yeah? This, and 1622 01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:58.720 they're wearing some very processing in style cloaks. Can you 1623 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.359 me one moment? My my dog sounds like he wants 1624 01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:03.800 to eat somebody. I'll be right back, Julie, I apologize. Okay, 1625 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:06.119 if you don't mind, please sing us a song there 1626 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:07.159 for the folks of the interwebs. 1627 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:09.840 Oh no, thank you. 1628 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.119 So do you know any good songs from the album? 1629 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:20.439 Help? Ah? It's definitely not my favorite album. I think 1630 01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:26.600 I'm more of a revolver type of gal. Let me see, 1631 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:31.159 I'm gonna read some of these comments here. Somebody said 1632 01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:35.359 the Beatles are gay. I mean they might be. Yoko 1633 01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:37.199 definitely looks like a man to me. 1634 01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:40.399 Thanks for holling it down there, Julia. 1635 01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:42.279 Do you think Yoka is a man? 1636 01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:47.720 I think Yoko is some sort of sex pot type situation. Yeah, 1637 01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:49.199 I mean there's a lot. Yeah, I think there's lots 1638 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:51.800 back and forth spook activities going on with these folks, 1639 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.880 you know what I mean, this whole process scene again 1640 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.640 around the cocaine trafficking, I ran country kind of activities. 1641 01:28:57.680 --> 01:28:59.960 But the uh, there's a lot to be said about 1642 01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:02.119 the Beatles and what they were used for and whatnot. 1643 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:04.680 But I think a lot of it was to transform 1644 01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:08.319 this cultural engineering, like I was saying in these Pelemix 1645 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:11.319 style principles of Alistair Curley, because that's seemingly what has occurred. 1646 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:13.720 And you know, part of that is to keep that 1647 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.680 network going, and keeping that network going is selling drugs, 1648 01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:19.920 drug sex, and rock and roll, right, so you got 1649 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:21.640 to promote these things. You got to cover up the 1650 01:29:21.680 --> 01:29:23.520 crimes associated with these things, right. 1651 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:24.840 Yeah. 1652 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.640 And also if John really get it how they say 1653 01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:33.920 he got it, and she walked without a single ricochet, 1654 01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:38.680 missed bullet like she was right next to him, right like, 1655 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:41.760 and she didn't get right And. 1656 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.680 That happens, and that happens at the Dakota Building. And 1657 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:48.079 again Mark David Chapman had interactions with Scientology in Hawaii 1658 01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:51.079 before he flew there, and it happens to the Dakota Building. 1659 01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:56.439 Go, what's his name? Well, the DA Building, Kenneth Anger, 1660 01:29:57.279 --> 01:29:59.800 Kenneth Anger. He had connections to Kenneth Anger. 1661 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:01.439 Oh, I didn't know that. 1662 01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:02.800 Yes he did. 1663 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:08.239 Bobby Bosley's boyfriend. Huh, Yes, the Dakota. The Dakota Building 1664 01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:10.520 was the side of Rose Murray's baby. Back to Bob Cocaine, 1665 01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:15.800 and again it's Bob Cocaine evans that that that brokers 1666 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:17.720 the marriage between Polanski and Tate. 1667 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:25.840 I mean, it's all, it's all so interconnected. And I 1668 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.680 don't know if you were on this episode, but one 1669 01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:30.840 of my favorite things, because I know you're about to 1670 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:36.560 bring this up, when I when I covered Marilyn Monroe 1671 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.520 and I went over her autopsy report and all the 1672 01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:42.960 inconsistencies in there and how there's no way she could 1673 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:46.399 have killed herself. You know, I'm interested to see what 1674 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.720 the autopsy will tell us about these two, because up 1675 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:56.760 until this point, I was convinced on OJ's guilt solely 1676 01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.680 based on the fact that she was practically decays appetated, 1677 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:08.640 and Ron wasn't, and that it looked like there there was, 1678 01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:14.960 you know, a rush job done to quickly eliminate Ron, 1679 01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:19.560 so whoever it was could take their sweet ass time 1680 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:25.640 slicing and dice. And mister Brown Simpson, well, I hear you, 1681 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:26.079 I hear. 1682 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:28.439 I would argue you have that in reverse, that it 1683 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:32.560 was Nicole was caught by surprise. Her neck was deeply cut, 1684 01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:34.279 but it was done from behind, and she was caught 1685 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:36.239 by surprise. You can tell that because her feet get 1686 01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:40.119 caught underneath the fence and she doesn't move. That's an 1687 01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:42.560 important factor because Ron Goldman is later found with her 1688 01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:46.439 blood underneath on the soles of his shoes, which according 1689 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:49.960 to the state's circumstances of events timeline of events, that 1690 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.960 never transpires. Ron's killed feet away and never goes near 1691 01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:53.760 Nicole's body. 1692 01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:58.079 So what I was led to believe, Well. 1693 01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.119 The evidence would support otherwise and gain and. 1694 01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:04.520 It's a good I want to hear about it. 1695 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.239 Well, cruise through those Uh, if you're good with another 1696 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:10.640 sixty minutes here and we're already an hour and a half, 1697 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:13.479 Well cruise the rest of the detectives and in the 1698 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:17.000 evidence here. So we have Tom Lang, lead detective. Right, 1699 01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:19.880 he shows up a very late response. We see that 1700 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.880 also with the Idaho four case. Nine on one's called 1701 01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:24.920 it noon the lead detectives and show for four hours, 1702 01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:28.359 same thing here, four hours. So whatever reasons these lead 1703 01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:29.880 detectives need to take four hours to show up to 1704 01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:32.359 a murder scene, Haines murder scene, I have no idea, 1705 01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:37.800 especially in a small town like Moscow, Idaho. But Tom Lang, 1706 01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.399 you're familiar with the Four on the Four murders of Laal. 1707 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.880 Case Foe on the Flow one of my favorite Laurel 1708 01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:46.600 Canyon debaucheries. 1709 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:49.079 Lead detective Tom Lang. 1710 01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:55.279 Wow, so this guy's a puppet as well. 1711 01:32:56.079 --> 01:33:02.239 Absolutely him and Van Atterbeth Yeap Lang would later defend 1712 01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:06.439 Eddie Nash Eddie Nash skirts charges and ordering that hit 1713 01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:08.520 with John Holmes on the Four on the Four murders 1714 01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:13.520 for twenty years. Governor Moonbeam Jerry Brown who governor, former 1715 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:19.239 governor of California. I believe thrice As was his father Moonbeam. 1716 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:22.119 Old Moonbeam was according to the files of d Zanders, 1717 01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:24.439 was a member of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. 1718 01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:29.960 He no he lived three doors down on Wonderland Avenue. 1719 01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:34.000 Yes, I did know that. I did know that he 1720 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:36.239 lived four doors down from the Foe on the Flow, 1721 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:37.680 but I didn't know. 1722 01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:41.760 He was I was thinking of the band. Yeah, he's 1723 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:45.359 long term, long time dated Linda Rodenstadt. She was involved 1724 01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:50.119 in that mix to you, oh Rod, yeah, j J. 1725 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:57.680 No, I love her. She's are you telling me she's 1726 01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:58.880 a piece of dog shit. 1727 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:02.000 Too and all? And I'll probably likelihood yes, man, oh 1728 01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:07.720 j J. So Tom Lang runs cover like you see 1729 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:12.039 you know, uh Bigfoot Bejornson and Inherent Weiss do right 1730 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:15.560 in the films. Yeah, he's running cover for all sorts 1731 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:17.680 of stuff. So that's yeah. These guys are all bagman 1732 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:21.199 in that regard. Now. Tom Lang would later defend Eddie Nash, 1733 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:24.079 the man who would order ultimately get charged twenty years 1734 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.640 later for ordering that hit so interesting car. 1735 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:34.479 That's that is? That is uh uh one of LA's 1736 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:37.720 most bloody and brutal crime scenes. That was That was 1737 01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:43.319 a Laurel Canyon era crime scene there. It's definitely I 1738 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:44.000 don't know man. 1739 01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:48.520 Yeah, John Holmes, the porn star, would get busted for this, right. 1740 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.119 Eton Holmes at one point called Eddie Nash, that nightclub 1741 01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:53.840 owner the man who ordered this, This drog trafficker, the 1742 01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:56.840 most evil man I've ever known. And that's the guy 1743 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:59.319 that Tom Lang, the lead detective here and both that 1744 01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.039 murder and the OJ murder we claim is not a 1745 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:08.199 bad guy. That man ranning. That man ran a teenage teenage, 1746 01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:11.479 no alcohol night, all night nightclub in Hollywood name named 1747 01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:14.439 The Odyssey. A lot of strange and weird shit went 1748 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:18.000 down there, a lot of strange and weird shit. 1749 01:35:19.039 --> 01:35:23.079 What the fuck? He died of aides in eighteen eighty eight? 1750 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:23.840 Thank god? 1751 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.319 Wait that was Holmes. That was Holmes. 1752 01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:29.920 Oh oh wow, shit, they didn't. 1753 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.319 They didn't prosecute Nash until two thousand and one. 1754 01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:34.800 My god. 1755 01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:39.720 So Nash's lead colely detective on the OJ case, Philip 1756 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:43.279 Van Natter sadly a fellow West Virginian. I don't like 1757 01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:47.479 to claim that, but he, uh again, is part of 1758 01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:50.720 that character I say bigfoot be Ornson's based off of there. 1759 01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:53.680 He's a rookie cop on the at the Tate Polanski home. 1760 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:56.439 He arrests Polanski in seventy seven for the rape of 1761 01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:57.239 a thirteen year old. 1762 01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:03.520 That's van Atter, that van At or is he processed. 1763 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.439 If he's not he's doing the bedding of saying right 1764 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:10.520 again like Bjornson is, he's doing the bidding of this 1765 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:11.319 larger network. 1766 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:11.479 Right. 1767 01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:14.000 He doesn't really know who they are, and spoiler alert, 1768 01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:16.359 he doesn't like their activities. That's why he he you know, 1769 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:20.720 gets uh. He starts weaponizing yaquein Phoenix against this this network, right, 1770 01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:25.039 this criminal network, because they murdered his partner. Right. He 1771 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.119 was not a man of ethics or morals. He's a 1772 01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:29.199 man of revenge for murdering his partner. 1773 01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:29.560 Right. 1774 01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:32.600 So but again he's a batman for this network. That's 1775 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.399 Philip van Atter. It's a great example of his activities. 1776 01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:37.520 So do you think he's a bad guy. 1777 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:42.279 I think he's the worst. I think I could I 1778 01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:45.840 could demonstrate how he supervised an officer he leaves so 1779 01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:49.159 they him uh uh lang, van Atdter and Furman are 1780 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.560 all gone. Immediately following the trial van Atter comes to Cincinnati. 1781 01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:57.119 He would supervise an officer who later in recent years 1782 01:36:57.279 --> 01:37:00.680 get we get busted for uh memory hole eight years 1783 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:06.640 of child sexual abuse of criminal complaints. M would be 1784 01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:10.079 one of the proteg one of the that's his mentor 1785 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:12.920 right there. The guy did that. They work together here 1786 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:14.159 in Rising Sundan, Indiana. 1787 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.520 So he's just a piece of dog shit. 1788 01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:19.960 He's a bag man. He's a national bagman. If you 1789 01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.039 think this network as a national network, Julie, it makes 1790 01:37:22.039 --> 01:37:23.520 a lot more sense if you need a bag man 1791 01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:26.920 and around Cincinnati or whatnot or certain regions, and you've 1792 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:29.239 got to move him around, right and you may not lose. 1793 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:30.720 You may lose the guy in La But you can 1794 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:32.800 use a mountain like the Mafia. You can use mountain 1795 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:38.000 Indiana or Ohio. It's the same difference, right, Just for. 1796 01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:43.399 People who are joining the conversation right now, we're talking 1797 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:48.199 about the comparison between a movie called Inherent Vice with 1798 01:37:48.319 --> 01:37:53.600 a character named Bjornson to this guy in real life, 1799 01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:56.479 Like how the character was probably based off of this 1800 01:37:56.680 --> 01:37:59.840 guy because somebody said who's Bijornsen or something like that 1801 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:00.840 in the comments. 1802 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:03.880 But I'm glad you're keeping up with the comments, thank you, Julia. 1803 01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:07.079 Well, yeah, I just wanted to say, like Bijornsen is 1804 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:10.800 a fictitional character in a movie that is based off 1805 01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:13.520 of these shittheads in real life. 1806 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:17.439 Yep, that's correct, ma'am. So then we get Mark Furman, 1807 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:22.600 he's Langan and Van Atter the lead detectives. Furman's the 1808 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.680 first detective unseen, so they get there at four o'clock. 1809 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:29.319 Furman gets there at approximately two ten. The murders occur 1810 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:33.119 between ten thirty two and ten forty two on the twelfth. However, 1811 01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:36.760 nine one one is not called until twelve until twelve 1812 01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:40.319 oh nine am, and the initial response is at twelve 1813 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:44.039 seventeen am on the thirteenth. And that's for a robbery. 1814 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:46.720 That's for a suspected robbery. So all these people hear 1815 01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:49.840 screams and whatnot at ten thirty ten forty two allegedly 1816 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:53.000 again according to the case later but no one calls 1817 01:38:53.079 --> 01:38:55.000 nine one one for another almost hour and a half. 1818 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:58.920 Well what's this stuff about the dog barkin and somebody 1819 01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:01.880 being like having this, getting the dog and doing all that. 1820 01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:05.439 So when the police respond, so the dog chase allegedly 1821 01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:07.960 chase the assailants you know, away from the scene, right 1822 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:10.560 and chase their car according to other reports right, some 1823 01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:12.680 of these reports that would later be thrown out by 1824 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:14.880 the prosecution later because it didn't fit their timeline, but 1825 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:17.279 one of which said they saw a white Bronco again 1826 01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:19.800 they thought it was oj driving on the opposite direction 1827 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:22.520 of OJ's house five minutes after OJ was seen out 1828 01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:24.840 on his property by a limo driver, So that didn't 1829 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:27.720 work out for the prosecution too well. So while that 1830 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:30.119 event most likely did happen, because the dog then allegedly 1831 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:32.159 chased that car and was found by a neighbor who 1832 01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:35.039 brought it back to the house at twelve seventeen when 1833 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:37.760 the cops respond, she's waiting for the cops there at 1834 01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:39.840 the house. What pretense she was operating under? I have 1835 01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:42.520 no idea, because there's this weird gap of time where 1836 01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:44.680 the state says no one called nim time. 1837 01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:45.600 Mm hmm. 1838 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.640 I suspect they're lying, right about this weird I suspect 1839 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:50.760 there's a lot of nine one one calls that they're 1840 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:54.439 not they're not public about right. Who's gonna tell us 1841 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:55.880 about it? The police? Well, they're the ones hiding it. 1842 01:39:56.239 --> 01:39:57.840 And I think that's the same case in the Idaho 1843 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.520 four case. I think there was more murder as he calls, 1844 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:03.079 not necessarily from the home, but of folks who may 1845 01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:05.640 have heard something or whatever. And the police are not 1846 01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:07.520 going to tell us about these things because they're the 1847 01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:10.000 one's hiding all their shit. So and speaking of hide 1848 01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:12.800 and shit, we got Mark Furman, So that's the other guy. 1849 01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:16.279 And again he's the Nazi fella dude. So he he 1850 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.359 gets questioned for in the trial whether or not he 1851 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:22.319 planted evidence. Now he said, he pleads the fifth. He 1852 01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:26.680 gets charged, you know, for a felony for perjury over 1853 01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:30.000 these matters. And again a forty two page report from 1854 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:33.000 the Internal Affairs at LAPD gets published in October of 1855 01:40:33.079 --> 01:40:36.479 ninety five. You know, during the trial, after he testifies though, 1856 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.399 and again the prosecution knew this was happening. They didn't 1857 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:41.039 they let him test but anyway, so he was used, 1858 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:43.199 in my opinion, to blow up the case from both 1859 01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:46.239 sides and create more chaos. Right, he was used in 1860 01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:48.479 planning evidence, but during the trial he was used to 1861 01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.399 ruin the case for everybody. No one could argue anything else. 1862 01:40:52.079 --> 01:40:57.840 His little shitty, pipsqueak face, like he's got like some 1863 01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:01.000 kind of shitting eating grin eye right now, you can 1864 01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:02.199 tell he's just full of it. 1865 01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:06.039 And oh, for sure, And I was surprised, I guess 1866 01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:08.439 I've never seen it, but there's a lot of scientologists 1867 01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:13.479 in it. The Netflix documentary right on the uh or 1868 01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:16.560 maybe this was American crime story one of these recent 1869 01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:19.600 the Truth Behind the People versus O. J. Simpson. One 1870 01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:23.359 of these recent productions includes the Nazi memorabilia or Nazi 1871 01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:27.960 pens that Furman was wearing. So and again Furman, this 1872 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:30.720 is his nineteen ninety six please agreement for perjury in 1873 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.399 that case. So I think it's interesting. 1874 01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:33.560 What. 1875 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:37.399 Yeah, he's a felon. I don't know how he's I 1876 01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:40.479 don't know how he's a PI. He calls himself a 1877 01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:42.920 private detective on TV. I don't know any state you 1878 01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.399 can be a private detective, with the exception of Mississippi, 1879 01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:47.720 but that's a different story altogether. As a felon, not 1880 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:51.239 with a felony in Mississippi, Stalle you can. 1881 01:41:52.199 --> 01:41:54.079 Oh, in justin Mississippi you can. 1882 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:57.760 Well that's only what I'm aware of. Yeah, certainly not 1883 01:41:57.800 --> 01:41:58.199 in Ohio. 1884 01:41:59.239 --> 01:41:59.399 I was. 1885 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.680 He's gonna say, nowhere I've ever lived, you can't not. 1886 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:07.800 If you have a felony, you couldn't do it with 1887 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:10.079 a misdemeanor here. I mean I was. I owned a PI, 1888 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:13.159 I was licensing known with PI company for four and 1889 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:15.720 a half years after I retire from the Air Force, 1890 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:18.760 and you can't. Yeah, you're not getting a with that here. 1891 01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:22.920 But nonetheless, there's fella Nazi Mark Furman. Right, these aren't 1892 01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:26.000 things that I claim he signed a plea agreement for 1893 01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:29.720 that felony, et cetera. He's you know, many people documented 1894 01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.960 the Nazi stuff through that internal affairs report commented on 1895 01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:36.560 by Johnny Cochran. His book featured in recent documentaries apparently. 1896 01:42:37.279 --> 01:42:40.159 So the interesting thing is we'll get into this evidence 1897 01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:42.960 here that he planted. You know, like I said, the 1898 01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:45.359 police always had a shifting timeline at the beginning of 1899 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.159 this case, right, so the cops make mistakes and Oj 1900 01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:51.840 Warrence This is an article from March of ninety five 1901 01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:55.159 describing how during the trial now they're shifting everything from 1902 01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.600 the probable cause affidavit of arrest and changing all these 1903 01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:00.680 narratives and details. Right, that's happening in the eye case two. 1904 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:04.159 That's exactly the same playbook and I for murders. So, 1905 01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:07.239 and one of the interesting things with Furman is they 1906 01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:09.359 try to hide his relationship with the case at all. 1907 01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:11.760 So the defense didn't know about him for I think 1908 01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:14.880 two weeks that he was even on scene. So it 1909 01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.560 was always a cover up from day one with Furman, Right, 1910 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:19.279 they try to cover everything up with him, even though 1911 01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:22.000 he wrote reports. He wrote a report at six o'clock 1912 01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:24.760 that morning claiming that there was blood inside the Bronco. Well, 1913 01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:27.079 how the hell would old Nazi fell In Furman know 1914 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:28.720 that unless he planted it? 1915 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:39.159 Right, So, okay, let me ask you something then, Yeah, 1916 01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:45.560 why did why the high speed chase if he didn't 1917 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:45.800 do it? 1918 01:43:47.359 --> 01:43:49.880 Okay, So that's a good question. Before we get into 1919 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:51.800 the evidence, let's go back to the arrest, right, So 1920 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:54.840 June twelfth between this is the timeline of events as 1921 01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:59.640 identified by the prosecution June twelfth, approximately twenty two one 1922 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:02.720 hundred hours twenty two thirty two, ten thirty two to 1923 01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:06.840 ten forty two pm. Was that was the murders that 1924 01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:09.560 took place here between at the Bundy residence of Nicole 1925 01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:12.720 Brown Simpson, where Ron Goldman had stopped by with her 1926 01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:15.680 mother's eyeglasses that she apparently left at the Italian restaurant 1927 01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.880 that night and he was bringing that over there for right, 1928 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:20.880 That's as the story goes. And again they recovered this 1929 01:44:21.039 --> 01:44:24.119 envelope and eyeglasses and that becomes evidence. We can we'll 1930 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:27.319 discuss here, but it's important to note that you know 1931 01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:31.520 these timelines. Again, that's that's it. That's their timeline. Again, 1932 01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:34.760 they shifted these things, et cetera. But you know Ojy's 1933 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:37.920 seen at his Rockingham estate at ten ten forty five, 1934 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:40.239 and someone jumped over that wall or made a bump 1935 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:43.800 on the wall behind the guest house of Kato'kalan at 1936 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:46.960 ten forty two. These are these are known statements. I'm sorry, 1937 01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:49.720 ten forty two. That happens in at ten fifty the 1938 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.560 limo drivers season. So you know, there's only you know, 1939 01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:54.960 we know that that that's something's going on over there 1940 01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:57.079 at those hours, right and against a six minute drive 1941 01:44:57.119 --> 01:45:01.199 between locations. So they claimed, the state claims that he 1942 01:45:01.239 --> 01:45:04.119 went that At ten ten oh three that night, he 1943 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:09.560 calls his ex girlfriend Paula Barbieri, right, Paula Barbieri just 1944 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:12.279 happens to be dating Bob Cocaine Evans at this very time, 1945 01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:16.760 although she's allegedly in Vegas, yes, ma'am, although she's allegedly 1946 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:20.319 in Vegas visiting Michael Bolton. This during the during this 1947 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:23.079 phone call, so we know that happens at ten oh three. 1948 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:27.399 We know that Oj. We know that the limbo driver 1949 01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:29.359 gets into OJ's house and pulls in front of his gate. 1950 01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:31.600 At ten twenty one, the white Bronco was parked on 1951 01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:34.840 the side side road next to the property later, right, 1952 01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:37.840 So but the lembo driver pulls onto Brockingham pulls in 1953 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:39.760 front of the gate ten twenty one because he calls 1954 01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:41.720 his boss and lets him know, we know these things, right, 1955 01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:47.039 so ten twenty one, right, OJ's not leaving her after that. 1956 01:45:47.079 --> 01:45:48.880 So he would have had him been gone before that, right, 1957 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:51.880 you know what I mean? Otherwise the limo driver would 1958 01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:54.279 have seen him despite him, you know, being he would 1959 01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:55.600 have a sneak out of there whatever else. 1960 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:57.079 But you get yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. 1961 01:45:57.600 --> 01:45:59.760 He would he would have had to come back before 1962 01:45:59.800 --> 01:46:03.000 two ten fifty or ten forty ten fifty, where those 1963 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.960 two sightings occurred or events occurred on his property. And 1964 01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:08.560 then doing that, you know what I mean. Again, it's 1965 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:11.399 building a timeline where it's just not possible, you know 1966 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:14.279 what I mean. So, for example, the state's timeline as 1967 01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:16.760 he murdered these folks between ten thirty two and ten 1968 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:19.439 forty two. Well, then how's how's he jumping over his 1969 01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:22.640 well ten forty to be seen by the limit driver, 1970 01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:25.479 you know, at like ten ten forty five, ten fifty, right, 1971 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.239 So what I'm saying, so these these timelines don't make sense. Again, 1972 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.199 they have witnesses even at the event that they don't 1973 01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:32.720 seem to comport and that they would later discard later. Right, 1974 01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:38.800 So we know that the murders occurred somewhere around those times. 1975 01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:42.039 We also seemingly indicate that O. J. Simpson could never 1976 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:44.560 this timeline never really got too focused on because of 1977 01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:45.439 the firm in factor. 1978 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:45.640 Right. 1979 01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:48.000 Firman again blew up the case for everybody where no 1980 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:50.760 one would know left from right or up from down right. 1981 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:52.439 And I think that's where a lot of the American 1982 01:46:52.479 --> 01:46:54.920 public sits today because they're so confused on these details 1983 01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:57.319 when the science and the forensics behind all these things 1984 01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:00.279 were pretty cut and dry, you know. That's so Furman 1985 01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:02.560 blew it all up with all his Nazi stuff, and 1986 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:04.319 the defense played in on it too, and so did 1987 01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:07.159 the prosecution because they didn't report the actual Nazi stuff 1988 01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:10.359 from the Internal Affairs report. They brought in some filmmaker 1989 01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:13.880 from ten years prior that had recorded conversations with Mark Ferman. So, 1990 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:18.000 you know, very strange stuff there, right, very strange stuff 1991 01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:23.000 with those things. So Furman gets a call. So we 1992 01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:24.880 were talking about the neighbor and the dog, right, with 1993 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:28.560 this timeline. Right, So Oj gets in the Lino ten 1994 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:31.279 fifties off to the airport for a pre planned golf 1995 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:34.880 event in Chicago, right, because it's important because Van Natter 1996 01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:36.680 would claim that there was no pre planned event and 1997 01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:40.560 he fled Los Angeles field red eye flight. That's what 1998 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:43.159 he wrote in the proble cause statement. It was an 1999 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:45.920 obvious lie. So pre planned golf outing with the Hirsch 2000 01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:50.319 rental car company and their executives, right, you know, which 2001 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.199 is kind of funny. You know, they would never look 2002 01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:54.319 for a weapon in Los Angeles. 2003 01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:54.680 For the case. 2004 01:47:56.039 --> 01:48:00.720 They did, however, they would never know they never searched 2005 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:02.399 for a weapon there. There was no search for a 2006 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:05.800 weapon they searched. The only searched for a weapon occurred 2007 01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:09.359 at the O'Hare airport around the Hilton O'Hare airport, where 2008 01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:12.199 Oj stayed that night after he got into Chicago, or 2009 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.479 stayed that morning. They searched the surrounding areas and woods 2010 01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:18.520 up there for a knife, meaning he would have had 2011 01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:20.319 to fly with it up there first of all. Right, 2012 01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:23.640 But you know they never the bloody the bloody clothes 2013 01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:25.640 they found in his room months later, right, and did 2014 01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:27.479 it just appeared like two months after the fact, and 2015 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:29.279 you know, like, oh, we found this bloody sock, it 2016 01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:31.680 was in his bedroom. That's the stuff that turned out 2017 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:34.359 to have E. D. T A in it, that preservative 2018 01:48:34.479 --> 01:48:38.960 right from blood taking from OJ. So that's an important note. 2019 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.199 So when we go back to this whole Mark Firman 2020 01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:44.279 perjured himself by pleting the fifth about this question of 2021 01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:47.880 planting evidence, which occurred outside the purview of the jury. 2022 01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:51.119 The jury did not get to see that, so they 2023 01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:52.880 were not privy to that information in the trial that 2024 01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:56.039 he that he perjured himself over planting evidence in this 2025 01:48:56.119 --> 01:48:57.279 act depleting the fifth. 2026 01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:01.640 Well, I just found that out let alone the jury right. 2027 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:03.159 Well, isn't it. But I mean that should be tell 2028 01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:04.520 I hear what you're saying. But you know what I mean, 2029 01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:06.720 like when you're telling the jury to leave every circumstances 2030 01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:10.520 like that, like there's tom foolery afoot obviously, oh for sure, 2031 01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:15.920 for sure. So they don't ask van Atter that question. 2032 01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:18.880 When I say, the defense is just as just as 2033 01:49:19.159 --> 01:49:23.840 you know, complicit in these shenanigans as the prosecution. They 2034 01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:25.840 don't ask fan out if he planted evidence. And van 2035 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:31.039 Atter actually walked around the crime scene with not only 2036 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:34.319 a blood vial of Simpsons, but a blood vial of 2037 01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:38.640 the two of the two victims from June thirteenth and 2038 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:44.760 through June sixteenth. No, yeah, and that blood vile was returned. 2039 01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:49.439 Those blood files were checked back into evidence missing some blood. 2040 01:49:50.359 --> 01:49:56.359 What yep, Why am I just hearing about this? 2041 01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.720 Well, once again, even the jury didn't get to hear 2042 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:03.000 about this until after after the case. So this was 2043 01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.960 developed during the case. And the top criminologist from the 2044 01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:09.239 from the crime lab there in La County, he testifies 2045 01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:10.920 it was part of the It ends up being part 2046 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:14.319 of the civil case the following year, even though he 2047 01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:18.720 loses that for some strange reason. But yeah, the I'm 2048 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:20.880 trying to bring this up here with the criminologists. 2049 01:50:20.920 --> 01:50:21.119 Yeah. 2050 01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:24.760 So June thirteenth, he flies back from Chicago, right, he 2051 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:26.920 gets the call in Chicago, says he drops a glass, 2052 01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:31.079 cuts his finger, right, flies back. He voluntarily gives blood 2053 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:33.520 to van At or van Atters walking around with his blood, 2054 01:50:34.039 --> 01:50:35.800 goes to the court. They find out later he goes 2055 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:37.600 to the corner's office and gets blood from the two 2056 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.079 victims files of blood. Doesn't check any of that in 2057 01:50:40.199 --> 01:50:42.600 for three days. None of the evidence in this case 2058 01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:44.960 gets checked in until after he checks in that blood 2059 01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:53.359 all convenient. That probable cause statement claims that on June seventeenth, 2060 01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:56.119 the probable calls uh more for rest was issue with 2061 01:50:56.159 --> 01:51:00.039 the problem calls affidavit written by Van Atter. Again, like 2062 01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:02.079 I said, it kept it kept changing, just like the 2063 01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:05.159 Idaho four case, that problem cause just keeps changing. So 2064 01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:09.640 this one also changes in respect that he claims that 2065 01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:13.279 they have DNA test results proving that with Simpson's DNA 2066 01:51:13.399 --> 01:51:16.119 on the scene. This is three days after the murder, 2067 01:51:16.279 --> 01:51:20.399 in less than twelve hours after he admitted the the 2068 01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:25.399 stuff in evidence. Wow, no one knows that at the time. 2069 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:28.840 They don't know that until later. Right, So the said 2070 01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:30.760 the problem call statement prove to be bunk. 2071 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:33.920 What the fuck? 2072 01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:38.159 Yeah, that's some wild. 2073 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:40.239 Shit, right, nobody talks about this. 2074 01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:44.000 That's correct, man, you work correct. 2075 01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:49.199 So wait, wait, wait, when does the high speed chase 2076 01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:49.600 come in? 2077 01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:53.640 So June twelfth is the murder. June thirteenth, he flies back, 2078 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:57.520 gives the blood. June sixteenth, the evidence has admitted. June seventeenth, 2079 01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:01.560 the warrants issued. He's staying with Robert Kardashian this entire time, 2080 01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:05.079 his best friend who's an attorney. So it's Kardashian. I 2081 01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:06.800 think that only had is the only one who had 2082 01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:08.960 any interest out for Simpson during all of this, Right, 2083 01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:14.359 he's staying over there. Apparently Paula Barbieri's over there as well, 2084 01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.359 his ex girlfriend who was then dating Cocaine Bob. So 2085 01:52:17.479 --> 01:52:20.159 that's a strange conundrum because one of the first attorney 2086 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:23.239 that Kardashian hires on the on the the quote unquote 2087 01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:26.800 dream team I would call the nightmare defense team of V. J. 2088 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:30.279 Simpson because he may have gotten you know, acquitted on 2089 01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:32.279 the charges, but he still lived the rest of his 2090 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:34.359 life as a murderer in the public eyes of America, 2091 01:52:34.439 --> 01:52:39.199 which kind of the same thing. So the first guy 2092 01:52:39.319 --> 01:52:43.920 hires Robert Shapiro, Right, Robert Shapiro allegedly compiles the rest 2093 01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:46.359 of the team. That's who Kardashian tells Simpson to hire. 2094 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:50.479 Robert Shapiro just happens to be the attorney for Bob 2095 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:53.840 Cocaine Evans back in the nineteen eighty eight hearing for 2096 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:55.880 the murder of Roy Raidon, who told Evans to plead 2097 01:52:55.960 --> 01:52:56.520 the fifth. 2098 01:52:57.640 --> 01:52:59.039 Oh my god. 2099 01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:05.359 Shapiro then hires Dershowitz, you know Epstein's buddy, Uh huh, 2100 01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:09.399 then hires Aflee Bailey. Afflee Bailey had just skirted charges 2101 01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:11.800 and I ran Contra the year prior because he was 2102 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:14.680 the head of a bank in Florida that was a 2103 01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:18.159 major epicenter of activity in the BCCI scandal and the 2104 01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:22.239 Drexel Burnham Lambert scandal of the junk bond scandal. So 2105 01:53:22.279 --> 01:53:24.000 they were the number one owner of the junk bonds 2106 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:25.880 at this bank that Afflee Bailey just happened to be 2107 01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:28.279 the director of that just happened to be the CIA 2108 01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:34.159 drug running bank. Right, come on, and Aflee Bailey said, 2109 01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:36.600 I'm out of here, guys, and then he represented. Next 2110 01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:42.800 thing he does is represent OJ oh my god, that 2111 01:53:43.439 --> 01:53:45.960 junk bond scandal that they were the number ones own. 2112 01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:49.800 So BCCI owned this bank in Miami that Afflee Bailey 2113 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:52.199 was director of along with the state's attorney for the 2114 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:54.640 District of Miami down there, they were the co directors 2115 01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:56.840 when the when the when the dominoes fell and I 2116 01:53:56.920 --> 01:53:59.920 ran concertor around Serra ninety three, that's what happened. They 2117 01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:02.960 the directors a bunch of drug money through there through BCCI. 2118 01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:07.079 That bank also owned the largest amounts of like one 2119 01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:10.079 point five billion in junk bonds from this firm, Drexel 2120 01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:12.640 Burnham Lambert by a fellow by the name of Michael 2121 01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:16.960 Millikan and his underling, Leon Black. Leon Black has paid 2122 01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:19.359 out over two hundred million dollars to Epstein victims to 2123 01:54:19.479 --> 01:54:23.720 avoid charges. It's under numerous investigations, including by Congress, and 2124 01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:27.319 entered into a deal against all rules, regulations, and laws 2125 01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:29.960 of the state of Idaho with the University of Idaho 2126 01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:33.720 to finance their procurement of the University of Phoenix. 2127 01:54:35.359 --> 01:54:38.399 J JP it. 2128 01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:42.720 So that's that's the nightmare team of OJ Simpson, right, 2129 01:54:42.840 --> 01:54:48.720 So they don't question God. So don't I mean, if 2130 01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:50.560 you're gonna ask firm and if he plans evidence, why 2131 01:54:50.600 --> 01:54:52.760 you're not Why you're not asking this guy who walked 2132 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:59.840 around the scene with blood right, with the blood literally no, 2133 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:03.000 not just OJ's but also the victims, right, And they 2134 01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:07.119 pretended like it was it was normal stuff. It was 2135 01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:09.600 a normal stuff. I'm just trying to I have an 2136 01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:16.840 article where that the that crime lab technician testifies and 2137 01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:18.680 again I can't find at the moment, but yeah, it 2138 01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:21.439 happens after the fact. So again this was shielded from 2139 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:25.760 the criminal trial, but then later included in the the 2140 01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:27.640 civil trial. So they were like, oh, yeah, we didn't 2141 01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:30.079 tell you guys we had all that blood, because. 2142 01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:36.880 Right, we didn't tell you guys we had all this blood. Like, 2143 01:55:37.239 --> 01:55:39.159 what is going on here? 2144 01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:43.239 So as the story goes, right, they planted the blood 2145 01:55:43.279 --> 01:55:46.319 in the vehicle much later, Right, a lot of the 2146 01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:48.600 like some of the drops of blood gets planted in 2147 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:50.840 the vehicle much later. I have two clips to demonstrate 2148 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.520 these things from the trial, right from the trial. So 2149 01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:55.960 the things that again didn't get a highlighted because again 2150 01:55:56.119 --> 01:55:58.359 firm and blew with the entire thing up for everybody. 2151 01:55:58.359 --> 01:56:01.239 And again both sides played along. Both sides played along 2152 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:06.520 with the Furman charade. So they have testimony and eyewitnesses 2153 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:08.359 ec are saying the blood was clearly not there for 2154 01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:10.479 two weeks, even after the fact in many spots. So 2155 01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:12.600 the only spot that seems to have blood on in 2156 01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:15.520 the car was the rug, you know, initially, so it 2157 01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:18.840 seems Furman. So back to the timeline. So Furman gets 2158 01:56:18.880 --> 01:56:21.920 there first at two two ten, two seventeen or something 2159 01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:24.399 at that two ten in the morning. Murders happened four 2160 01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:27.640 hours prior. Essentially fullet detectives don't show up until four, 2161 01:56:28.279 --> 01:56:32.520 Furman leaves the scene. This this gets this actually gets 2162 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:36.199 motioned out of the hearing by the prosecution because uh 2163 01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:38.359 and uh, I think it was a Shapiro that wrote 2164 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:41.319 about in his book. So Furman leaves the scene at 2165 01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:44.680 two thirty. When his partner shows up, he's decided, oh J. 2166 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:46.560 Simpson has done this. They go to O. J. Simpson's 2167 01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:49.239 property right at two thirty. They call in at two 2168 01:56:49.319 --> 01:56:51.119 fifty three. From there, there's a record of it and 2169 01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:53.479 police dispatch and in the records that got motioned out 2170 01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:55.960 of the court for evidence. They call in at two 2171 01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:58.359 fifty three. He then he's the lead detective. He just 2172 01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:01.000 left the scene of a crime, you know, unsecured. I mean, 2173 01:57:01.039 --> 01:57:02.960 there was other officers there, but he's the lead investigator. 2174 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.920 He's supposed to stay there. They apparently then go back 2175 01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:08.039 to the scene. That's when the lead detectives get called 2176 01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:10.520 at three am. Fan Attur and Lang they show up 2177 01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:14.159 at four and from four to about five thirty, they all, 2178 01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:16.520 you know, they all converse or so you know, they 2179 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:18.800 take a look at the scene, they converse. Then they 2180 01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:21.199 all drive back over to the Rocky Ham estate of OJ. 2181 01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:24.039 Simpson and instead of waiting for a search warrant. They 2182 01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:25.960 decide they need to jump the fence and get in 2183 01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:28.720 there immediately. This is when allegedly Firman plants the glove. 2184 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:33.199 So the glove is then is covered in blood. He 2185 01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:36.199 takes it, allegedly takes it and rubs it in the 2186 01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:38.439 carpet of the bronco, goes into the bronco, rubs in 2187 01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:41.159 the carpet of the bronco. This becomes interesting later because 2188 01:57:41.159 --> 01:57:43.239 they can never explain the red fibers that are on 2189 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:46.600 the bloody glove. This became an issue, right those red fibers, 2190 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:49.680 in all likelihood came from the carpet of the bronco 2191 01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:53.399 and firm and rubbed it there. Then there's a stick 2192 01:57:53.439 --> 01:57:55.560 in a bag that was used to plant the glove 2193 01:57:55.600 --> 01:57:58.239 on the other side of the fence, on the back 2194 01:57:58.319 --> 01:58:01.439 side of the poolhouse. Right, I got I got a 2195 01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:03.840 video of that of that evidence that are describing this 2196 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:06.000 here from from the courts rail. 2197 01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:09.119 Here one of the photographs there's a stick that was 2198 01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:11.239 was it. 2199 01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:14.119 I was going to say, if it's long, I might 2200 01:58:14.199 --> 01:58:16.239 take another bathroom break really quick and I'll. 2201 01:58:16.119 --> 01:58:18.399 Be right go ahead. Yeah means okay. 2202 01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:22.159 And one of the photographs there's a stick that was 2203 01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:25.399 somewhere around the location. We saw it briefly yesterday. I'm 2204 01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:27.760 not ship was mark. I remember seeing that stick, a 2205 01:58:27.880 --> 01:58:30.720 stick somewhere out in and around Rocking in that morning. 2206 01:58:31.359 --> 01:58:32.840 Yes Where was the stick? 2207 01:58:34.359 --> 01:58:37.119 There was a piece of splintered wood, if that's why 2208 01:58:37.159 --> 01:58:41.159 you're referring to white in color. It was located on 2209 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:44.479 the parkway adjacent to the bronco. 2210 01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:49.399 Was this stick ultimately booked into evidence by. 2211 01:58:49.359 --> 01:58:52.640 Whom if you know, I wasn't there when it was collected? 2212 01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:56.520 And assuming fun and I believe yesterday we showed some 2213 01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:58.640 photographs that had. 2214 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:02.640 Some kind of a blue object on the other side 2215 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:04.399 of the fence. Do you remember seeing that blue object 2216 01:59:04.399 --> 01:59:07.920 at all on the other side of the fence to 2217 01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:09.520 the right of the fence at ed Rockham. 2218 01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:14.159 I didn't recall see any blue object when I was there. 2219 01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:17.279 And did you see a photograph yesterday they had such 2220 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:20.760 a blue object. I may have seen a photograph. They 2221 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:25.399 have a fresher recollection at all. Perhaps a few showed 2222 01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:30.600 it to me. I'll mark this as defendis next. 2223 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:35.439 So as the trial there, the trial of the century, 2224 01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:38.479 and the trial that lasted longer beat out the Manson 2225 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:42.439 family tried for the longest in La County history and 2226 01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:46.119 the most expensive. Another connection there, so you know that 2227 01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:48.000 dude's even being a dick on the stand. He's like, well, 2228 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:49.960 if you showed me a picture, and Cockran's obviously just 2229 01:59:50.119 --> 01:59:51.840 explaining how they just showed the guy a picture and 2230 01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:54.520 was presented as evidence. So this is a bag and 2231 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:56.520 a stick that was apparently used to plant that bloody 2232 01:59:56.520 --> 01:59:58.439 glove across the fence, and they just it was an 2233 01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:01.279 evidence bag and they just fairly left it for whatever reason. 2234 02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:04.840 So but this during this assault on the Simpson property 2235 02:00:04.880 --> 02:00:06.960 between the hours of I believe five thirty and six 2236 02:00:07.039 --> 02:00:10.279 am on the thirteenth, where these this alleged planting of 2237 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:14.840 evidence goes. So I was I was just describing it 2238 02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:17.359 is this assault at five thirty, this warrantless assault on 2239 02:00:17.439 --> 02:00:20.479 the hopping the fences and gates of Rockingham, a state 2240 02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:23.600 of O. J. Simpson Orenthal James, that is at five 2241 02:00:23.760 --> 02:00:26.479 thirty six in the morning, where this evidence has apparently 2242 02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:30.000 been planting. So by everyone's admission, Furman disappears behind the 2243 02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:33.199 boat house from sorry the guest poolhouse for fifteen minutes 2244 02:00:33.399 --> 02:00:36.640 right the cars parked adjacent to the poolhouse. So again 2245 02:00:36.840 --> 02:00:40.039 he allegedly takes the glove and this evidence bag and 2246 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:43.079 the stick wipes it down the carpet. Again, these carpet 2247 02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:45.600 fibers are on there. The state can ever explain, and 2248 02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:47.720 then or never cares to try to explain, and then 2249 02:00:48.039 --> 02:00:49.680 throws it over the fence and then they all hop 2250 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:54.640 the fence, laying van Atter and Furman they're calling folks 2251 02:00:54.720 --> 02:00:58.479 from his kitchen O j Simpson's Orenthal, James Simpson's kitchen. 2252 02:00:58.520 --> 02:01:00.439 They just make themselves know home, sit down and start 2253 02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:02.119 making phone calls. They don't even have a one. 2254 02:01:04.119 --> 02:01:07.159 Oh my god. So I was gonna say, based on 2255 02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:09.520 that clip, it almost seems like this was like a 2256 02:01:09.640 --> 02:01:14.399 sloppy like they didn't they left the bag with the stick. 2257 02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:15.000 Yeah. 2258 02:01:15.239 --> 02:01:17.600 Yeah, and then when it was presented to them, they're 2259 02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:19.279 like what what bag and stick? And he's like the 2260 02:01:19.319 --> 02:01:20.680 one we just showed you, buddy, and they're like, a 2261 02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:22.600 you're gonna have to show me that picture, right. 2262 02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:26.560 So the thing about if the glove glove doesn't fit, 2263 02:01:26.720 --> 02:01:30.239 you must have been like there's something to that. Yeah. 2264 02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:34.520 I mean again, this is yeah, this is we were 2265 02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:36.359 we were a lot of things were twisted right, like 2266 02:01:36.439 --> 02:01:39.079 the Manson case. You know, the helter skelter thing hads 2267 02:01:39.199 --> 02:01:41.840 blidity to it. It was twisted right again, there was 2268 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:44.399 no The forensic evidence in that case is equally as 2269 02:01:44.439 --> 02:01:46.880 shifty as this case. And I was saying, this case 2270 02:01:47.079 --> 02:01:49.640 finally beat out that case for longest and most expensive 2271 02:01:49.720 --> 02:01:52.600 and you know case in La County history. 2272 02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:57.039 Somebody said they left the jacket too. What does that mean? 2273 02:01:59.399 --> 02:02:02.439 So we're to believe, much like the Coburger case and 2274 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:05.399 I who were believe he's some genius moron who committed 2275 02:02:05.439 --> 02:02:08.359 these crimes right and who perpetrated on the nearly perfect 2276 02:02:08.359 --> 02:02:10.960 event EXCEP were doing all these super super stupid things 2277 02:02:11.079 --> 02:02:13.640 like so OJ does all these things, but then leaves 2278 02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:15.960 a hat and two gloves, one hat and the glove 2279 02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:17.920 at the crime scene, and the glove behind the poolhouse. 2280 02:02:17.960 --> 02:02:23.359 And again these things are silly. The the one even 2281 02:02:23.399 --> 02:02:25.159 at the scene. The glove they find the scene is 2282 02:02:25.199 --> 02:02:27.439 just placed on top of some leaves next to Goldman's 2283 02:02:27.439 --> 02:02:31.119 body that doesn't seem to have any blood on the leaves. 2284 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:36.319 You're killing me, JJ, because it's been like a point 2285 02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:39.520 of humor in the trial to say, like, oh, the 2286 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:42.439 glove doesn't fit. You must have quit and it's like 2287 02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:47.439 honestly because it was fucking but it was planted there 2288 02:02:47.479 --> 02:02:48.119 with the stick. 2289 02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:50.840 Yeah. And again a lot of these details were left 2290 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:52.720 out because they didn't include that van atter had all 2291 02:02:52.800 --> 02:02:54.760 the the you know. One of the issues that came 2292 02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:57.239 up was the length of time or the chain of custody. 2293 02:02:57.279 --> 02:02:59.880 We have the same issues in Idaho. They when when 2294 02:03:00.039 --> 02:03:02.880 when presented with chane of custody and these recent open hearings, 2295 02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:05.239 the states had none. They said, oh, we did some 2296 02:03:05.399 --> 02:03:09.000 DNA tests. We have no reports. You know, they have 2297 02:03:09.159 --> 02:03:12.119 no reports. We have no reports of finding it, they 2298 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:14.119 have no reports of admitting things. And the evidence they 2299 02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:16.880 have no you know, they have no visitors logs. It 2300 02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:20.039 seems at least the Oriental James Simpson crime scene here 2301 02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:21.720 they had some visitors logs, you know what I mean. 2302 02:03:21.760 --> 02:03:23.800 I don't give them that much, but yeah, we do 2303 02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:26.039 seem a lot a lot of the same parallels there there, 2304 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:28.840 and uh, you know, one of which is chain of custody. 2305 02:03:29.720 --> 02:03:31.079 Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. 2306 02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:34.439 So they it was an issue in the court that 2307 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:37.039 that the that the evidence was not taken care of properly. 2308 02:03:37.039 --> 02:03:39.359 There was no change of custody. There was evidence left 2309 02:03:39.399 --> 02:03:44.119 in vehicles unbagged for weeks. Right they they hosed down 2310 02:03:44.199 --> 02:03:50.479 the crime scene twelve hours after the murders. Why with 2311 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:52.239 the I'm about to show you pictures with with the 2312 02:03:52.760 --> 02:03:54.680 they want to I want to see what happened there, 2313 02:03:54.960 --> 02:03:56.880 you know, with the exception of the back gate. The 2314 02:03:57.239 --> 02:03:59.479 back gate was the center of focus because they allegedly 2315 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:01.199 found some of it O Jay's blood, you know, on 2316 02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:03.119 the back gate, because they allegedly he went out that way, 2317 02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:05.279 even though all reports say they the assailants went out 2318 02:04:05.279 --> 02:04:08.800 the other way, you know, so and and then again 2319 02:04:08.880 --> 02:04:10.680 they put the they have the bloody footprint near the 2320 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:13.159 back gate, even though there's no blood drops, even though 2321 02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:15.479 they say that he came back in, you know, to 2322 02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:17.159 get the glove and the hat, but forgot and that's 2323 02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:19.520 where enough the footprint. Even though they don't test the 2324 02:04:19.560 --> 02:04:23.319 footprint that's on the envelope of the eyeglasses that Ron 2325 02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:26.239 Goldman brought back from the Nicole Brown Brown Simpsons Mutter 2326 02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:28.520 left at as a lunar restaurant that night. There's a 2327 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:30.680 bloody footprint on that envelope and they don't test that. 2328 02:04:30.760 --> 02:04:32.760 They don't, you know, there's no test there, so they 2329 02:04:32.840 --> 02:04:34.800 do a lot of that here. They decide what what 2330 02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:37.279 is and there is not you know, valid evidence, but 2331 02:04:37.800 --> 02:04:41.119 the crime scene was definitely cleaned up pretty quickly, pretty quickly. 2332 02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:45.199 Bring up some pictures here, so you see what I'm saying. 2333 02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:46.840 With all the kind of the stage nature of a 2334 02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:49.239 lot of this evidence, well. 2335 02:04:49.359 --> 02:04:53.520 Yeah, I mean, you're you're killing me, smalls. I had 2336 02:04:53.640 --> 02:04:54.800 no idea about. 2337 02:04:54.600 --> 02:04:59.720 Any of this. Well, and statements from the statements from 2338 02:04:59.800 --> 02:05:03.079 the uh, the jurors would even say that, you know, 2339 02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:04.960 they were like, yeah, obviously you know this stuff was 2340 02:05:05.880 --> 02:05:06.479 you know planted. 2341 02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:12.119 Mm hmm. Man, the bag with this stick, that's gotta 2342 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:15.720 be like the most dead giveaway, the pack with the 2343 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:17.800 fucking stick? Are you kidding me? 2344 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:22.720 Right, it's kind of I mean again, it is sloppy, right, 2345 02:05:22.760 --> 02:05:24.720 but if they're you know, let's it's a lot of 2346 02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:27.880 stuff on Ida is sloppy. They wanted, you know, Idaho, 2347 02:05:27.960 --> 02:05:30.720 they wanted the suspect Coburger to plead. They probably wanted 2348 02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:33.960 OJ to play right, even though there was no there's 2349 02:05:34.159 --> 02:05:36.640 just life in prison in California's a death sentence there, 2350 02:05:36.640 --> 02:05:38.800 like it is an Idaho. But nonetheless they're probably forcing 2351 02:05:38.840 --> 02:05:41.399 a plea. Right, So let's get into the forensics here. 2352 02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:45.520 Goldman had defensive wins. This is an article from March 2353 02:05:45.560 --> 02:05:50.079 of ninety five during the trial and lead investigator the O. J. 2354 02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:53.319 Simpson double murder trial testified Tuesday that Ronald Goldman has 2355 02:05:53.359 --> 02:05:56.640 apparently in a defensive struggle for his life, but did 2356 02:05:56.720 --> 02:05:59.159 not appear to have hit his assailant. That's what Tom 2357 02:05:59.239 --> 02:06:02.239 Lane once they're to believe. What do you think about that, Julie? 2358 02:06:02.279 --> 02:06:04.600 Do you think he swung a bunch of phantom punches 2359 02:06:04.600 --> 02:06:06.960 it at somebody stabbing him nineteen or twenty times? 2360 02:06:08.199 --> 02:06:09.199 Held to the now. 2361 02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:15.239 Yeah, right, So there's one of his hands and is 2362 02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:17.800 clearly clearly making contact with somebody. So it's not an 2363 02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:20.000 accurate description of what Tom Lane. So we don't get 2364 02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:22.239 these pictures for twenty years after Tom Lang makes that 2365 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:26.399 comment right under at twenty years Yeah, I don't think 2366 02:06:26.439 --> 02:06:29.960 these things. These pictures weren't released for many years later. Yeah. Wow, 2367 02:06:31.840 --> 02:06:34.760 But we can see that ron Goldman clearly was in 2368 02:06:34.840 --> 02:06:37.960 a defensive struggle but clearly made contact with his addressers. 2369 02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:40.319 Yeah you did. Whoa. 2370 02:06:43.279 --> 02:06:45.720 That's the story we get from Tom Lane at the trial, right, 2371 02:06:45.800 --> 02:06:48.640 and then we look at some photos here of mister 2372 02:06:49.159 --> 02:06:53.399 Arenthal J. Simpson. This was taken on June thirteenth, Right, 2373 02:06:53.640 --> 02:06:56.039 this was auror saw this. They're like, we had didn't 2374 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:58.279 have any marks on his body? He has one cut, 2375 02:06:58.439 --> 02:07:00.239 right he's got Do you see any mark on this 2376 02:07:00.319 --> 02:07:04.479 man's body? I do not relative to those marks that 2377 02:07:05.159 --> 02:07:07.439 Goldman was clearly making. You see why they had a 2378 02:07:07.520 --> 02:07:09.960 claim and that he never made contact with his assailant, 2379 02:07:09.960 --> 02:07:12.760 because had he made contact with his assailant, you know, 2380 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:15.319 OJ would have some marks on him, right, But he's 2381 02:07:15.359 --> 02:07:20.119 got none. Right, So meanwhile, the actual evidence clearly shows, 2382 02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:23.439 right that he made contact with his assailant and fought 2383 02:07:23.479 --> 02:07:27.079 a bloody battle. Nonetheless, and we can go over some 2384 02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:30.399 of his his autopsy reporter on some of those wounds. 2385 02:07:30.600 --> 02:07:33.720 Let me bring up another picture of l Ron there. 2386 02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:36.079 So when I say he got slashed and stabbed, I 2387 02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:38.000 think it was nineteen or twenty times during the report. 2388 02:07:38.039 --> 02:07:39.880 But you know kind of Oliver's body, so that's in 2389 02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:42.520 his legs. So whoever's stabbing him is I would as 2390 02:07:42.600 --> 02:07:44.560 served as the trained individual with a blade and knows 2391 02:07:44.640 --> 02:07:46.439 exactly where to try to hit an artery in which 2392 02:07:46.520 --> 02:07:49.159 to disable your your your your victim. 2393 02:07:50.880 --> 02:07:52.439 What am I looking at here? His leg? 2394 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:54.960 That's his left leg kind of right in his pocket. 2395 02:07:55.000 --> 02:07:57.359 Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I would. 2396 02:07:57.159 --> 02:08:00.319 Asserid he's going someone who's stabbing is going. Initially was 2397 02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:03.640 planning on going for themoral artery at some point. But again, 2398 02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:05.880 a lot of movement, and this is a very This 2399 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.159 is like a three foot by three foot zone right 2400 02:08:08.520 --> 02:08:11.720 where Goldman's fighting. I would argue two attackers. You can 2401 02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:14.640 see here in this picture the bloody gloves kind of 2402 02:08:14.680 --> 02:08:16.439 just sitting on top of things there at the crime. 2403 02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:24.000 Scene, right, so conveniently, Yeah, and they got some idiot 2404 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:27.960 in like a gown pointing at it. That's the for me, 2405 02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:32.399 that's one of the first giveaways that it's planted evidence 2406 02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:34.279 that you. 2407 02:08:34.319 --> 02:08:36.000 Know it was pointing at it. That was Furman, because 2408 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:37.600 he's the first one who I don't he's the first 2409 02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:41.199 investigator on scene. So everything's based on Furman. He's the 2410 02:08:41.239 --> 02:08:43.800 first investigator on scene. He's the first investigator on rocking 2411 02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.000 him because he's the first one to jump the fence, right, 2412 02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:49.359 so he's over there two fifty three calling that gets 2413 02:08:49.399 --> 02:08:52.760 excluded from the trial. So the entire things based upon 2414 02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:56.319 all of it, the actions, assertions and activities of Ferman, 2415 02:08:56.399 --> 02:08:58.560 who they try to hide, the state try to hide 2416 02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:00.319 for weeks that Firman was even a so shape with 2417 02:09:00.359 --> 02:09:00.680 the case. 2418 02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:04.039 Well, there is an identical picture to that in the 2419 02:09:04.119 --> 02:09:07.039 Marilyn Monroe case where they're pointing at the knocked over 2420 02:09:07.399 --> 02:09:10.239 bottle of pills that she never took. By the way, 2421 02:09:10.760 --> 02:09:12.560 you can go back and listen to my episode for 2422 02:09:12.640 --> 02:09:15.159 more details on that. But they always point to like 2423 02:09:15.279 --> 02:09:19.119 the planted shit, right, I fucking we got, like. 2424 02:09:19.199 --> 02:09:21.279 Yes, we got to get a good picture of this one, right, 2425 02:09:21.319 --> 02:09:21.720 you know what I mean? 2426 02:09:22.119 --> 02:09:23.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, uh huh. 2427 02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:27.479 So graphic photo. But there's the deceased body of Golden. 2428 02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:29.039 But you can see on his left leg where someone's 2429 02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:31.880 going for artery to disable him because again he's allegedly 2430 02:09:31.880 --> 02:09:35.239 a martial artist, so he's probably punching and kicking mmm. 2431 02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:39.880 And you think he was fighting off two assailants. 2432 02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:41.560 Yeah, one from both sides. Right, so you can see 2433 02:09:41.560 --> 02:09:43.560 the small confined area they cornered him into. I think 2434 02:09:43.600 --> 02:09:45.079 you had one on the left and one right here. 2435 02:09:45.560 --> 02:09:48.920 So this picture is being taken from where Nicole's laying down. 2436 02:09:49.279 --> 02:09:51.800 He never comes over to the steps area. I got 2437 02:09:51.840 --> 02:09:55.359 a better diar. But he never comes over here to 2438 02:09:55.399 --> 02:09:57.479 get her blood on the bottom of his feet, according 2439 02:09:57.520 --> 02:10:00.000 to her their story. Yet the state crime lab found 2440 02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:01.520 on her blood on the bottom of his sneakers. 2441 02:10:02.680 --> 02:10:03.079 Mm hmm. 2442 02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:07.000 So this is there's Firman again pointing out so that 2443 02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:11.199 to the left, right here is where where Goldman's laying down. 2444 02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:14.199 To the right is where where Nicole Brown Simpsons land. Now, 2445 02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:16.840 he never made it here, right, I'm saying one assailant 2446 02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:18.439 was here and the other seilant boxed him into that 2447 02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:19.199 back gate area. 2448 02:10:19.279 --> 02:10:19.399 Right. 2449 02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:22.359 So what I assume happened is somebody, like I said, 2450 02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:24.600 there was probably four people. You had a person out 2451 02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:28.039 front watching. You had two folks, uh, dealing with Nicole, 2452 02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:30.359 probably just one distracting hear, the other one you know, 2453 02:10:30.439 --> 02:10:33.119 slicing her from behind. And then while that's going on, 2454 02:10:33.199 --> 02:10:34.680 you have a guy and look at out back. Well 2455 02:10:35.039 --> 02:10:37.199 Goldman walks in. He's walking into a death trap because 2456 02:10:37.199 --> 02:10:39.000 they all just convene in this one corner on him 2457 02:10:39.279 --> 02:10:42.640 and he's stuck. Right. That's what all the evidence shows 2458 02:10:42.680 --> 02:10:44.279 to me. That's when I look at all this stuff. 2459 02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:46.159 That's what the most that's what it seems to have 2460 02:10:46.159 --> 02:10:46.960 occurred here right. 2461 02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:50.640 Right here. 2462 02:10:51.600 --> 02:10:58.399 I mean, who knows, who knows right, it's Furman's. But 2463 02:10:58.479 --> 02:11:00.319 you can see all this bloody stuff here from Nicole 2464 02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:03.399 Brown Simpson right, So yes, we got yeah, you got 2465 02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:07.000 her over here. So looking into that from the street, 2466 02:11:07.079 --> 02:11:09.000 this is the front. So you'll see right to the 2467 02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.119 right on this picture where the stairs are. If you 2468 02:11:11.159 --> 02:11:13.000 go to the stairs to the right, that's where that 2469 02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:17.000 kills in was for Golden gold Men. And then she's 2470 02:11:17.119 --> 02:11:20.039 laying right here to the left of that and her 2471 02:11:20.159 --> 02:11:22.119 legs are stuck underneath the gate. That's what I'm saying. 2472 02:11:22.159 --> 02:11:25.239 She had come outside and somebody had surprised her to 2473 02:11:25.279 --> 02:11:26.840 distract her, and the other person seems to have come 2474 02:11:26.920 --> 02:11:29.279 up from behind the gate there and just you know done, 2475 02:11:29.920 --> 02:11:30.239 you know what I. 2476 02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:32.479 Mean, practically decapitated her. 2477 02:11:32.760 --> 02:11:34.359 Yeah, that's that's why you can see her laying there 2478 02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:36.079 at the base of the stairs, right, and with her 2479 02:11:36.159 --> 02:11:38.239 feet going off to the left where there's a gate. Right. 2480 02:11:38.720 --> 02:11:41.560 You really can't see whether her feet are underneath the gate, right, 2481 02:11:41.600 --> 02:11:43.439 So that's what I'm saying, like somebody distracted her to 2482 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:45.960 the front, well, somebody from the back sliced her up 2483 02:11:46.000 --> 02:11:47.960 and her feet, you know, had gotten jammed up on 2484 02:11:48.359 --> 02:11:50.239 wherever however she died, she was she had to have 2485 02:11:50.279 --> 02:11:52.800 been right up beneath against that gate in order for 2486 02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:55.079 her legs to be underneath that gate by about. 2487 02:11:54.840 --> 02:11:58.279 A foot might all right, yeah. 2488 02:11:59.000 --> 02:12:02.079 Dragger right, mm hmm. But you can see, so you 2489 02:12:02.119 --> 02:12:04.640 can see to her head to the right is where 2490 02:12:04.680 --> 02:12:07.840 Furman was sustaining, pointing, and right there and that's the 2491 02:12:07.920 --> 02:12:10.439 kill zone again with Goldman in that little area. But 2492 02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:14.000 Goldman never comes to this tiled brick over here apparently right, 2493 02:12:14.199 --> 02:12:17.119 but again his his the evidence on his shoes would 2494 02:12:17.119 --> 02:12:17.720 say otherwise. 2495 02:12:19.119 --> 02:12:21.720 So you're thinking he was slipping and sliding all over 2496 02:12:21.840 --> 02:12:24.239 the damned places getting intact. 2497 02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:28.399 Yeah, at that point in time, he's trying he was 2498 02:12:28.439 --> 02:12:31.760 probably trying to fight off three assailants, right, because. 2499 02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:35.680 The other guy was that ture off okay, and he's. 2500 02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:37.520 Giving their two problems and making a lot of noise. 2501 02:12:37.520 --> 02:12:39.359 They had a dozen phone calls to nine and one, 2502 02:12:39.720 --> 02:12:41.439 I'm sorry not to nine on one. They had a 2503 02:12:41.560 --> 02:12:44.800 dozen ear and eye witnesses to these events between ten 2504 02:12:44.880 --> 02:12:47.600 thirty two and ten forty two, right when the when 2505 02:12:47.640 --> 02:12:51.000 the dog's seen chasing the vehicle away at ten forty five, right, 2506 02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:55.079 roughly ten forty five, So there's no shortage of reports 2507 02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:57.319 of these things. Again, why not I suspect nine on 2508 02:12:57.399 --> 02:12:59.600 one was called. They claim it was not until twelve 2509 02:12:59.680 --> 02:13:01.920 VHO eight or something like that. And the nine men 2510 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:04.920 response at twelve seventeen to a robbery, and then the 2511 02:13:04.960 --> 02:13:07.720 neighbor with the dogs like, Hey, my neighbor's murdered. I'm 2512 02:13:07.720 --> 02:13:10.439 glad you guys finally got here. So I don't think 2513 02:13:10.439 --> 02:13:12.439 they're being the same thing. I don't think they're being 2514 02:13:12.520 --> 02:13:14.000 honest about his timeline of events. 2515 02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:16.640 But then now only yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense. 2516 02:13:17.520 --> 02:13:20.119 You can see where her legs are tucked underneath that gate, right, 2517 02:13:20.840 --> 02:13:24.319 mm hmm, So she had to be like standing up 2518 02:13:24.359 --> 02:13:26.279 through that gate or maybe just walk through that gate 2519 02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:29.600 even right, who knows. But nonetheless, she's she seems to 2520 02:13:29.600 --> 02:13:32.600 have been attacked from behind. And again Goldman is three 2521 02:13:32.680 --> 02:13:35.439 feet to you know, north of her head there, and 2522 02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:38.199 again he came in through the back gate allegedly, right, 2523 02:13:38.319 --> 02:13:40.439 so it seems like again he was cornered once he 2524 02:13:40.520 --> 02:13:42.880 walked in there. And this area where she's laying was 2525 02:13:42.920 --> 02:13:45.800 hosed down within twelve hours after the murders after you know, 2526 02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:49.000 within on the thirteenth, the back gate, you know, was 2527 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:51.199 the focus only because that's the only area they claim 2528 02:13:51.239 --> 02:13:53.479 to have found Simpson's blood the sea. 2529 02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:56.159 So did they ever look at the boot print on 2530 02:13:56.359 --> 02:13:59.319 her to like say for sure. 2531 02:13:59.279 --> 02:14:03.960 That was Ooja, Yes, ma'am. And in fact, they did 2532 02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:07.199 DNA tests on the blood on her body and DNA 2533 02:14:07.279 --> 02:14:10.840 on her fingernails because she ostensibly scratched her attacker when 2534 02:14:10.880 --> 02:14:16.159 he's coming from behind, right, not OJ's DNA either, fernails. 2535 02:14:16.680 --> 02:14:20.199 All right, All right, here is the evidence they had 2536 02:14:20.239 --> 02:14:23.159 against OJ. He sliced again. He sliced his finger right again, 2537 02:14:23.560 --> 02:14:25.399 as probably his own admission, when he got the phone 2538 02:14:25.439 --> 02:14:27.479 call of his wife's murder. And you know, his kids 2539 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:28.920 were in the home that night, so obviously, you know, 2540 02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:32.239 I would suspect he probably was alarmed. Right Again, OJ 2541 02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:35.279 knows what happened here. OJ was not involved in the murders. 2542 02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:37.960 OJ is definitely associated with all these activities, right, So 2543 02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:40.720 that's what I'm saying, like he understands what occurred, right, 2544 02:14:40.800 --> 02:14:43.520 But again, at the same time, like that's the evidence 2545 02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:45.960 they had again, OJ sliced his finger allegedly on the 2546 02:14:46.039 --> 02:14:48.920 glass of Chicago on a trip that was pre planned. 2547 02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:51.399 The van Atda wrote in the PCA, he fled the country, 2548 02:14:51.479 --> 02:14:53.319 he fled the town. He's like he you know, was 2549 02:14:53.319 --> 02:14:55.359 an unplanned trip to Chicago. He fled on an overnight 2550 02:14:55.439 --> 02:14:57.800 red eye after the murders. That was what he was 2551 02:14:57.840 --> 02:14:59.119 put in the problem cause aft of it. 2552 02:15:00.159 --> 02:15:08.359 If if she had like DNA under her nails, and 2553 02:15:08.640 --> 02:15:14.479 Ron clearly put up a fight, So OJ should look 2554 02:15:14.560 --> 02:15:17.640 pretty fucked up at this point, you know what I'm saying. 2555 02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:20.039 Absolutely, And he saw the pictures. 2556 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:25.079 He's got bruising, right, his finger looks nasty, but it 2557 02:15:25.199 --> 02:15:29.640 doesn't look like I just murdered people with my bare hands. Nasty. 2558 02:15:30.399 --> 02:15:32.279 Yeah, it looks like a deep cut from glass to me. 2559 02:15:33.119 --> 02:15:37.359 Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, you know of this episode, JJ, 2560 02:15:37.560 --> 02:15:40.359 I'm so glad you're changing my mind on this because 2561 02:15:40.439 --> 02:15:43.000 up until this point they've made they've done a great 2562 02:15:43.159 --> 02:15:48.079 sales job on making everybody think that it's him for sure, No, for. 2563 02:15:48.119 --> 02:15:50.960 Sure, And relative the Idaho case, it's the same deal. 2564 02:15:51.000 --> 02:15:53.760 They have DNA evidence found on the victims under their 2565 02:15:53.840 --> 02:15:56.199 nails that don't match the suspect. They have blood on 2566 02:15:56.239 --> 02:15:58.399 the scene that they never ran through any kind of 2567 02:15:58.479 --> 02:16:02.039 tests and they just out that can confirm it wasn't 2568 02:16:02.079 --> 02:16:04.439 the suspect they having custody. So they have this is 2569 02:16:04.479 --> 02:16:07.159 again another correlation. They have evidence on the bodies at 2570 02:16:07.159 --> 02:16:10.279 the crime scene, DNA blood underfigure nails that would indicate 2571 02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:13.039 there was a struggle with Nicole Brown Simpson, with one 2572 02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:16.319 of the Idaho victims. The state ignores it. In both circumstances, 2573 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:19.159 they got their guys. Why they had their guy. They 2574 02:16:19.199 --> 02:16:21.439 had their guy at two fifty three when Firman went 2575 02:16:21.479 --> 02:16:25.279 over there, left an active crime scene, went over there, 2576 02:16:25.399 --> 02:16:27.520 and then later jumped the fence without a search warrant, 2577 02:16:27.600 --> 02:16:31.920 violation of Orenthal J. Simpson's constitutional rights. You know, again 2578 02:16:32.239 --> 02:16:34.319 these things are never discussed, right, Like you know, Van 2579 02:16:34.360 --> 02:16:36.440 Atter would testify, well, I felt there was an emergent 2580 02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:38.239 need to go into the house to make sure oj 2581 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:40.200 was okay. Well, then why the fuck did you make 2582 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:42.239 yourself at home in his kitchen and start making phone calls? 2583 02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:46.319 That just does not make any sense, whatsoeffort? 2584 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:50.399 Right, So here's here's a diagram of the crime scene. 2585 02:16:50.440 --> 02:16:52.760 Since it was a little bit difficult to fall from 2586 02:16:52.799 --> 02:16:56.719 those kind of partial, partial, you know pictures. So we 2587 02:16:56.799 --> 02:17:00.159 saw that scene from the sidewalk going forward right, can 2588 02:17:00.200 --> 02:17:03.079 see that here with with the coal laying there the 2589 02:17:03.159 --> 02:17:07.600 scene right here right, we see that on the diagram. 2590 02:17:08.680 --> 02:17:10.360 That's the view we get on the diagram right here 2591 02:17:10.479 --> 02:17:12.520 right looking at the coal right here with their legs 2592 02:17:12.520 --> 02:17:15.200 suck hunter here, like I said, he's he's boxed in 2593 02:17:15.280 --> 02:17:17.079 this little kill zone in like a two by three 2594 02:17:17.120 --> 02:17:20.000 foot area right here right. And again that glove, the 2595 02:17:20.040 --> 02:17:23.239 glove and and and mask or the glove and hat 2596 02:17:23.559 --> 02:17:25.239 right here with you know, laying on top of some 2597 02:17:25.360 --> 02:17:27.440 leaves right and kind of in between the bodies right 2598 02:17:27.479 --> 02:17:29.360 here and along the fence line. I think that's what 2599 02:17:29.440 --> 02:17:32.079 Firman was pointing out now that again this area that 2600 02:17:32.159 --> 02:17:34.879 we're looking at here was all washed up and cleaned 2601 02:17:34.959 --> 02:17:39.559 on the thirteenth. However, the back gate back here north 2602 02:17:39.600 --> 02:17:43.120 of Furman here along this pathway, that's the area where 2603 02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:46.040 they won the area they found Oorenthal James Simpson's blood 2604 02:17:46.040 --> 02:17:48.000 at the scene and claimed that's you know that he 2605 02:17:48.079 --> 02:17:50.159 came back in through that gate to look for the 2606 02:17:50.200 --> 02:17:52.319 bloody glove and the you know, the the hat that 2607 02:17:52.399 --> 02:17:54.280 he that he that he dropped the same stuff that 2608 02:17:54.399 --> 02:17:56.840 was immediately visible because it was laying right there, you 2609 02:17:56.879 --> 02:17:59.159 know what I mean, that he couldn't find it. Then 2610 02:17:59.200 --> 02:18:01.040 he drops the other glove, you know, sneaking back into 2611 02:18:01.079 --> 02:18:02.920 his house because the limo driver was there. As the 2612 02:18:02.959 --> 02:18:08.040 story goes, except for once again, these timelines don't match up. 2613 02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:12.200 You know, how do you how do you figure she 2614 02:18:12.360 --> 02:18:14.040 got her feet under the gate. 2615 02:18:15.719 --> 02:18:17.959 That's what I'm saying. So she either came through that 2616 02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:20.799 gate and then was startled and then someone from behind 2617 02:18:20.840 --> 02:18:23.559 her is the one who you know, you know, or 2618 02:18:23.719 --> 02:18:25.479 she would walk down and was standing next to that 2619 02:18:25.559 --> 02:18:27.000 gate and startled by something, you know what I mean. 2620 02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:29.079 But either way, she's up against that gate in order 2621 02:18:29.120 --> 02:18:31.280 to get her in my opinion, in order in order 2622 02:18:31.280 --> 02:18:33.319 to get her legs over there, unless someone pulled her there, 2623 02:18:33.360 --> 02:18:35.239 which there wouldn't. There didn't seem to be any evidence 2624 02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:35.879 of that in the blood. 2625 02:18:37.399 --> 02:18:41.120 This is so interesting to me. You're literally blowing my 2626 02:18:41.280 --> 02:18:45.000 mind right now. I mean, it's like, why the fuck 2627 02:18:47.159 --> 02:18:50.079 didn't we look for other suspects? 2628 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:54.799 If this is what we had to work with, Well, 2629 02:18:54.879 --> 02:18:56.680 I'll tell you why. It's part of the magic show. 2630 02:18:56.760 --> 02:18:59.200 So Philip van Atter wrote in that probable cause affidavit, 2631 02:18:59.319 --> 02:19:03.120 we confirmed through DNA testing. This is you know, pardon me, 2632 02:19:03.200 --> 02:19:08.399 this is Oorental J. Simpson's blood on June seventeenth. They 2633 02:19:08.479 --> 02:19:11.479 didn't less than twelve hours after he dropped that evidence 2634 02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:15.440 off into the custody of police to process that evidence. Right, 2635 02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:18.360 not to mention they couldn't process that in three days, Right, 2636 02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:21.520 all this DNA stuff. The leading expert in DNA and 2637 02:19:21.600 --> 02:19:23.639 the guy who invented the test in which they used 2638 02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:27.319 was voluntar volunteer to testify for the defense because he 2639 02:19:27.399 --> 02:19:29.760 knew all of these claims by the state was bullshit. 2640 02:19:30.479 --> 02:19:32.719 That man's name was Carrie Mullis. You may know him 2641 02:19:32.719 --> 02:19:36.440 as the inventor and Nobel winner for the PCR test 2642 02:19:36.520 --> 02:19:42.120 that was popularized infamously through the golf Calf twenty twenty shutdown. WHOA, 2643 02:19:44.680 --> 02:19:46.600 So you're go ahead? 2644 02:19:47.479 --> 02:19:55.600 What about this? Did he did? Oj? Was he like 2645 02:19:55.799 --> 02:20:02.280 the mind behind the murders? Because that he also counts now? 2646 02:20:02.479 --> 02:20:02.760 He he? 2647 02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:04.639 I don't think he knew was going down. I'm just 2648 02:20:04.680 --> 02:20:06.719 saying he knew all this stuff that his ex wife 2649 02:20:06.799 --> 02:20:08.559 was associated with, right he You. 2650 02:20:08.600 --> 02:20:11.319 Don't think he could have had this set up? 2651 02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:14.719 No, I don't think he had his setup. Now again, 2652 02:20:14.799 --> 02:20:17.399 it's I think it goes back to this upper echelons 2653 02:20:17.399 --> 02:20:20.440 of this process network with Cocaine Bob and this white 2654 02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:23.520 nationalist network and Nazis with with Nazi Fell and Mark Furman. 2655 02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:25.840 And I'm glad you asked that question because that's where 2656 02:20:25.840 --> 02:20:27.959 I was going next with us Julia. So when we're 2657 02:20:27.959 --> 02:20:29.760 building those characters, we also have to look at the 2658 02:20:29.799 --> 02:20:32.479 mob too, right, So they're involved, right, So, but they're 2659 02:20:32.520 --> 02:20:35.200 also part of the same you know, when Hair and vice, right, 2660 02:20:35.239 --> 02:20:36.920 you have the mobsters involved in that same network. It's 2661 02:20:36.920 --> 02:20:40.479 all part of the same kind of culty, underground processing 2662 02:20:40.559 --> 02:20:43.719 and network. Right. So the I just want to hit 2663 02:20:43.719 --> 02:20:46.399 a couple of high points on this topic. Yeah, we 2664 02:20:46.520 --> 02:20:49.000 close out with some of those mafia and Cocaine Bob highlights. 2665 02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:53.159 So this was from June fourteenth, nineteen ninety four. And 2666 02:20:53.479 --> 02:20:56.040 uh it says right here, sharp force wounded the neck, 2667 02:20:56.159 --> 02:20:59.479 left side, hit the juggular. Like I said, this was 2668 02:20:59.520 --> 02:21:01.399 a pro who was doing these things. He was going 2669 02:21:01.479 --> 02:21:03.920 for the moral artery in the leg. He hit the 2670 02:21:03.959 --> 02:21:07.000 juggular in the neck. This person knew. Whoever's wielding that 2671 02:21:07.079 --> 02:21:09.559 knife and stabbing Ron Goldman knew what they were doing 2672 02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:11.559 because you got to think about it. They're not only 2673 02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:15.479 receiving blows and defending themselves while doing this, they're also 2674 02:21:15.680 --> 02:21:18.719 still attaining their goal of hitting these these key areas 2675 02:21:18.799 --> 02:21:19.479 of their. 2676 02:21:21.040 --> 02:21:21.159 Right. 2677 02:21:21.319 --> 02:21:24.399 So multiple stab wounds of the chest, Adaman, and left 2678 02:21:24.479 --> 02:21:27.200 thigh that we saw there, penetrating stab wounds of chests 2679 02:21:27.200 --> 02:21:32.719 and Adaman with right chemo thorax and heemo peritonium. So again, 2680 02:21:33.200 --> 02:21:35.079 what I'm getting at again is you're you're you're not 2681 02:21:35.159 --> 02:21:38.760 defending yourself and stabing folks like this and achieving your 2682 02:21:38.799 --> 02:21:40.959 goals and doing it so in a very quick amount 2683 02:21:40.959 --> 02:21:43.239 of time. These are the same problems with the issues 2684 02:21:43.239 --> 02:21:45.239 with the Idaho for they claimed with the suspect there 2685 02:21:45.319 --> 02:21:49.319 that he did these superhero maneuvers and you know, et cetera, 2686 02:21:49.440 --> 02:21:53.520 and a very superhero amount of time. But multiple insize 2687 02:21:53.559 --> 02:21:56.680 wounds of scalp, face, neck, chest, left hand defensive wound, 2688 02:21:57.079 --> 02:22:01.120 multiple brasions upper extremities, hands, defensive wounds. So when Tom 2689 02:22:01.239 --> 02:22:04.360 Lange testifies under oath in court, because it's important to 2690 02:22:04.399 --> 02:22:07.319 note Tom Lane is currently doing YouTube tours and podcast 2691 02:22:07.399 --> 02:22:11.399 tours describing how OJ did it, Wow, it's important to 2692 02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:13.959 note he lied his face off when he said that 2693 02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:16.079 Ron Goldman showed no signs of making any contact with 2694 02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:18.200 his assailant, not just the picture. 2695 02:22:18.159 --> 02:22:24.399 Corner incized wounds of this scout face, neck, chest, and 2696 02:22:24.680 --> 02:22:28.719 left hand. That that's it's not just one area, it's 2697 02:22:29.079 --> 02:22:31.719 multiple areas of defensive wounds. 2698 02:22:32.840 --> 02:22:35.680 Now, yes, multiple, very much so. And again so Ron 2699 02:22:35.719 --> 02:22:38.239 Goldman twenty five years old, one hundred and seventy one pounds, 2700 02:22:38.360 --> 02:22:41.319 five foot nine inches tall from crown to soul. So again, 2701 02:22:41.399 --> 02:22:44.520 this man was allegedly, you know, well versed in martial 2702 02:22:44.639 --> 02:22:47.440 arts to some degree. And I would I would assert 2703 02:22:47.520 --> 02:22:52.120 he definitely exhibited that right and is a fighting off 2704 02:22:52.239 --> 02:22:54.399 what I would claim to. And then three assailants in. 2705 02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:59.319 This in this endeavor, right, yeah, one hundred. 2706 02:22:59.840 --> 02:23:01.920 I suspect it wasn't until that third guy came in 2707 02:23:02.000 --> 02:23:03.959 there that they finally got him under controls. What is 2708 02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:07.360 what I suspect happened? Right, And I suspect, actually I 2709 02:23:07.440 --> 02:23:09.399 suspect the third guy is the because you saw it 2710 02:23:09.479 --> 02:23:12.719 was on his left leg, right that I suspected that 2711 02:23:12.879 --> 02:23:15.280 that that stab wound to the formal artery that got 2712 02:23:15.360 --> 02:23:16.920 him is what took him down. And then you know, 2713 02:23:17.000 --> 02:23:18.600 then they did the rest of the most of the 2714 02:23:18.680 --> 02:23:21.799 rest of it after that, right, But I suspect that 2715 02:23:21.920 --> 02:23:23.319 came in from the third guy who was done with 2716 02:23:23.440 --> 02:23:26.000 Nicole by that point, and then came in from that side, 2717 02:23:26.079 --> 02:23:28.680 right helping out that one guy from that side and 2718 02:23:28.719 --> 02:23:30.399 one guy from the other side. But you know, I 2719 02:23:30.479 --> 02:23:33.040 suspect based upon hisn't that that fight? I mean he 2720 02:23:33.239 --> 02:23:34.959 he put a beating on some people, you know what 2721 02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:38.360 I mean. So, and you ask why we don't ever 2722 02:23:38.399 --> 02:23:40.200 hear these things, and again out back to this kind 2723 02:23:40.239 --> 02:23:43.719 of Iran contra Idaho contra idea. So as I said, 2724 02:23:43.799 --> 02:23:46.799 Bob Cocaine Evans was dealing with the Medie and Cartels's 2725 02:23:46.879 --> 02:23:50.479 number one dude in America, Karen Greenberger, who's now the 2726 02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:52.440 suspect you know, and that Roy Raiden murdered. That was 2727 02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:54.879 who he's doing cocaine trafficking with there in the eighties. 2728 02:23:55.799 --> 02:23:58.120 She's the number one suspect in her husband's murder, which 2729 02:23:58.200 --> 02:24:00.959 happened six months prior to the Roy Raiden murder back 2730 02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:03.600 in eighty three. I'm sorry, six months prior to her 2731 02:24:03.719 --> 02:24:06.000 arrest in eighty eight, she had murdered the number one 2732 02:24:06.280 --> 02:24:09.280 her husband, the Medians number one dude in America. He 2733 02:24:09.399 --> 02:24:13.120 had just got identified in a court case of Carlos 2734 02:24:13.280 --> 02:24:16.639 later as the number one Median cartel guy. The Pablo 2735 02:24:16.799 --> 02:24:19.799 Escobar and Carlos later start the Median cartel. This is 2736 02:24:19.840 --> 02:24:22.799 the cocaine that was funneled in for the Iran Contra stuff. 2737 02:24:23.200 --> 02:24:25.399 This is the picture in the film Blow. Carlos later 2738 02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:27.879 is the Johnny Depp's buddy in the film Blow. 2739 02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:30.879 Right Whoao, Yeah. 2740 02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:34.360 You know the pilot from Florida. In Blow, I suspect 2741 02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:38.399 that's characters based on Larry Greenberger. That's the number one. 2742 02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:41.399 He was identified as the Median cartels number one dude 2743 02:24:41.399 --> 02:24:44.239 in America. Six months later, he was murdered on his 2744 02:24:44.639 --> 02:24:48.159 porch in Lake Cocachebi, Florida. Today, his wife is the 2745 02:24:48.280 --> 02:24:50.600 ex wife Boy's wife. At the time, she sits in 2746 02:24:50.639 --> 02:24:53.120 prison in California for the murder of Roy Raidin. She 2747 02:24:53.239 --> 02:24:56.360 gets charged in eighty eight, six months after his murder. 2748 02:24:56.520 --> 02:24:59.559 She thought the cops were contacting her about that murder. 2749 02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:02.639 They were contacting her about the eighty three murder of 2750 02:25:02.760 --> 02:25:05.239 Roy Raiden. Mind you, this is five years later, right, 2751 02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:07.879 So what I'm saying is a lot of hood ratshit 2752 02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:10.479 going on with these people during this time. But nonetheless 2753 02:25:10.680 --> 02:25:13.120 you got Cocaine Bob dealing with the upper echelon of 2754 02:25:13.159 --> 02:25:15.639 all these Medie and I Ran Contra stuff, right. And 2755 02:25:15.680 --> 02:25:19.000 then again you see Iran Contra even on OJ's defense 2756 02:25:19.040 --> 02:25:21.360 team with a fleet Bailey and all. The reason I 2757 02:25:21.399 --> 02:25:24.479 think you see all these correlations from Manson to OJ 2758 02:25:25.280 --> 02:25:27.639 to the Idaho force up is the result of the 2759 02:25:27.719 --> 02:25:30.600 same network, right, just these things are erupting to the 2760 02:25:30.639 --> 02:25:35.280 public surface. For example, the guy who did the biopic 2761 02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:38.719 film of Bob Cocaine Evans's life, right, his biopic documentary, 2762 02:25:38.799 --> 02:25:41.280 The Kid Stays in the picture, Raydon Carter, he was 2763 02:25:41.319 --> 02:25:44.600 the executive producer that Bob hired for the job Cocaine Bob. 2764 02:25:44.680 --> 02:25:48.000 That is, he's the guy running the propaganda campaign against 2765 02:25:48.040 --> 02:25:53.000 Brian Coberger in the Idaho four case. Believe it or not? What? Yeah, 2766 02:25:54.200 --> 02:25:58.280 so Brandon Carter exactly, That's what I'm saying. But the 2767 02:25:58.360 --> 02:26:00.079 reason when we see these things is because it's an 2768 02:26:00.159 --> 02:26:04.559 ongoing network that flies below the surface level society of 2769 02:26:04.600 --> 02:26:08.200 hood rat shit that involves money laundering, drug trafficking, murder 2770 02:26:08.319 --> 02:26:13.040 and cult stuff, right and spooks spooks. Right. So Graydon 2771 02:26:13.120 --> 02:26:16.000 Carter again, executive producer for the kid stays in the picture. 2772 02:26:16.200 --> 02:26:20.760 But he he opened an outlet called Airmail in twenty nineteen. Well, 2773 02:26:22.040 --> 02:26:25.600 they hired Howard Bloom. That outlet, this weird weekly publication 2774 02:26:25.760 --> 02:26:28.280 on the interweb is called airmil hires Howard Bloom. This 2775 02:26:28.719 --> 02:26:32.440 legis famous writer to write this story about how Brian 2776 02:26:32.479 --> 02:26:35.120 Coberger did it. He starts that story the day after 2777 02:26:35.159 --> 02:26:37.840 they bring Brian Coberger back to Idaho on January sixth, 2778 02:26:37.879 --> 02:26:40.879 twenty twenty three. But it's odd that he'd be employed 2779 02:26:40.920 --> 02:26:44.440 by Graydon Carter in this effort at Airmail because again 2780 02:26:44.479 --> 02:26:48.040 he rading Carter was really good friends with Bob Cocaine. Evan. 2781 02:26:48.120 --> 02:26:50.760 So we see the white bronco here, that's Al Collens, right, 2782 02:26:50.879 --> 02:26:52.959 that was the driver. I was going to talk about that, 2783 02:26:53.079 --> 02:26:55.479 but since Ron Bob Cocaine, we'll we'll close out with 2784 02:26:55.559 --> 02:26:57.600 Al Collens and the mob and we'll go back to 2785 02:26:57.680 --> 02:27:00.959 Bob Cocaine in the any other stuff here and while 2786 02:27:00.959 --> 02:27:04.559 we're at it, do you have any thoughts on any 2787 02:27:04.559 --> 02:27:05.360 of that there, Julia? 2788 02:27:06.639 --> 02:27:09.559 I mean, it's just so convoluted. It reminds me of 2789 02:27:11.280 --> 02:27:14.079 did you ever listen to that podcast called The Clown 2790 02:27:14.159 --> 02:27:15.120 and the candy Man. 2791 02:27:15.680 --> 02:27:16.280 Yeah it was. 2792 02:27:17.559 --> 02:27:22.079 Yeah. So it's like all of these prolific pedophiles that 2793 02:27:22.200 --> 02:27:24.600 were in network with each other, but they were working 2794 02:27:25.079 --> 02:27:30.000 throughout the entire United It's like John Wayne Gacy and 2795 02:27:30.159 --> 02:27:33.319 like all these guys from Texas and all these guys 2796 02:27:33.399 --> 02:27:36.280 from like Chicago and all over the place. It's like, 2797 02:27:36.360 --> 02:27:38.799 if you look hard enough, there is a spider web 2798 02:27:38.920 --> 02:27:40.440 that's connecting everyone. 2799 02:27:41.319 --> 02:27:45.600 I think you are correct, yes, ma'am. So on that note, 2800 02:27:45.639 --> 02:27:47.399 we see that here with Bob Cocaine Evans, who was 2801 02:27:47.440 --> 02:27:49.200 good friends with OJ, used to always go over to 2802 02:27:49.239 --> 02:27:53.200 Bob's house and play tennis. He's dating Paula Barbieri, the 2803 02:27:53.280 --> 02:27:55.840 woman that OJ allegedly called before he leaves his home 2804 02:27:55.879 --> 02:27:57.879 to go murder his ex wife is the state claims 2805 02:27:58.040 --> 02:28:01.040 at ten oh three am. That ten oh three pm. Right, 2806 02:28:02.719 --> 02:28:06.479 we uh so we see Bob the handiwork of old 2807 02:28:06.639 --> 02:28:08.719 Cocaine Bob Evans in a lot of spots, right and 2808 02:28:08.760 --> 02:28:12.239 again you know from Manson who he introduced Polanski and 2809 02:28:12.280 --> 02:28:16.000 Tate to Idaho, where Graydon Carter's running the propaganda campaign, 2810 02:28:16.079 --> 02:28:19.120 his buddy Graydon Carter, and where Vicki Gooch is the 2811 02:28:19.200 --> 02:28:21.959 lead detective and integral part of the case against Coburger 2812 02:28:22.000 --> 02:28:24.600 from the state and her father was the underling of 2813 02:28:25.079 --> 02:28:27.559 Lieutenant Colonel Paul Tates. So when we speak of this network, 2814 02:28:27.600 --> 02:28:29.639 I think it stays within the network, right they keep 2815 02:28:29.719 --> 02:28:32.760 it confined to contained to the best of anyone's ability, 2816 02:28:34.840 --> 02:28:36.639 But it is it is that connection though with the 2817 02:28:36.760 --> 02:28:40.360 with the Median cartel, the co trafficking cocaine bob and 2818 02:28:40.639 --> 02:28:43.520 this one of the state's lead witnesses. Did we find 2819 02:28:43.559 --> 02:28:47.639 a character named Anthony Fiato. This was the boyfriend of 2820 02:28:48.520 --> 02:28:53.440 of Nicole Brown, Simpson's sister Denise Brown. She was the 2821 02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:57.040 chief witness and the and the domestic violence motivated prosecution 2822 02:28:57.159 --> 02:29:02.559 of Orenthal James Simpson. He was a mafia hitman. What Yep, 2823 02:29:03.959 --> 02:29:05.639 he was a mafia hit man. They even roll him 2824 02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:11.120 into the trial at one point to say that to 2825 02:29:11.280 --> 02:29:14.200 say that van at Or didn't target OJ Simpson and 2826 02:29:14.319 --> 02:29:15.799 he was just the ex husband and that they were 2827 02:29:15.840 --> 02:29:20.159 just gonna investigate anyway. Cops denied statement about OJ. Search 2828 02:29:21.159 --> 02:29:23.600 that was and then again that's that's the state's lead 2829 02:29:23.680 --> 02:29:26.639 witness boyfriend. He's a mafia hit me, right. So back 2830 02:29:26.680 --> 02:29:29.159 to all these the drug trafficking through again the Iran 2831 02:29:29.239 --> 02:29:32.920 contra drug trafficking, cocaine Bob, these mafia Italian restaurants that 2832 02:29:33.040 --> 02:29:36.000 Mezzo Luna and stuff like where Nicole Brown, Simpson's roommate 2833 02:29:36.239 --> 02:29:38.520 was the manager and we're gold Golden Bob. 2834 02:29:39.600 --> 02:29:43.479 Yeah, oh my god, it never ends. 2835 02:29:44.520 --> 02:29:48.120 Denise Brown linked to mafia enforcer. That's that guy, right. 2836 02:29:49.239 --> 02:29:51.360 She refuses to answer questions about this. Today, she likes 2837 02:29:51.360 --> 02:29:53.799 to do tours for domestic violence, but refuses to answer 2838 02:29:53.879 --> 02:29:56.239 questions about her former hit man boyfriend. 2839 02:29:56.840 --> 02:30:05.639 W and ex her mob executioner boyfriend. 2840 02:30:06.040 --> 02:30:10.799 In her own words, yep, oh, questions of mafia man 2841 02:30:10.879 --> 02:30:13.280 irritate victim's sister. This is that this is the headline 2842 02:30:13.280 --> 02:30:16.520 from ninety five, during during the issue and during the trial. 2843 02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:20.159 So they wouldn't roll him out till January of ninety six, 2844 02:30:20.239 --> 02:30:21.520 near the end of the trial. But again, this is 2845 02:30:21.559 --> 02:30:24.239 a weird confluence of events, right, So if you're you know, 2846 02:30:24.280 --> 02:30:26.399 if anyone was looking at the situation, like, gee, I 2847 02:30:26.440 --> 02:30:28.319 wonder what kind of hit man could have been involved 2848 02:30:28.360 --> 02:30:30.760 in this operation? Home, wonder if it was the state's 2849 02:30:30.840 --> 02:30:33.639 lead you know, prosecution witnesses boyfriend. Oh, we'll roll him 2850 02:30:33.639 --> 02:30:35.920 in later anyway, for a witness anyway, you know what 2851 02:30:35.920 --> 02:30:42.479 I mean. It's just such a right, very strange. Right. 2852 02:30:43.719 --> 02:30:46.399 So you got all these elements going on all the 2853 02:30:46.479 --> 02:30:48.120 way up to the mob. 2854 02:30:49.319 --> 02:30:51.680 Oh, it gets better. Oh, and I'm gonna get right 2855 02:30:51.719 --> 02:30:53.200 back into the mob in one second, because we have 2856 02:30:53.840 --> 02:30:57.760 the director. William Colby's son is a prosecution witness. Carl Colby, 2857 02:30:58.000 --> 02:31:00.399 who from nineteen ninety four nineteen ninety two to nineteen 2858 02:31:00.440 --> 02:31:03.399 ninety four was the next door neighbor to Nicole Brown Simpson. 2859 02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:07.079 That Keith Fellow who manages the Mob restaurants of Cocaine 2860 02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:10.559 Trafficking and Kat o'kalen all lived in a home next 2861 02:31:10.600 --> 02:31:14.200 door to Carl Colby, the son of CIA director William Colby, 2862 02:31:14.239 --> 02:31:16.559 who himself would die mysteriously in nineteen ninety six. 2863 02:31:17.520 --> 02:31:21.559 Right, I know a lot about William Colby. What the fuck? 2864 02:31:22.879 --> 02:31:25.799 Yeah? So here's Carl Colby's testimony in the trial. You 2865 02:31:25.879 --> 02:31:28.680 know again, he was a next door neighbor and friend. 2866 02:31:28.879 --> 02:31:32.200 Apparently social socialized with a circle new note new orangethel 2867 02:31:32.280 --> 02:31:36.559 James Sumpson. So when I say when I say, when 2868 02:31:36.600 --> 02:31:38.200 I say I ran contra in this stuff, you know 2869 02:31:38.200 --> 02:31:39.959 what I mean? How much Closs. Do you want to 2870 02:31:39.959 --> 02:31:41.600 get than the CIA director's. 2871 02:31:41.200 --> 02:31:44.239 Son testimony of Carl Colby? 2872 02:31:44.639 --> 02:31:47.280 What the fuck right? 2873 02:31:48.639 --> 02:31:51.159 What does he have to do with any of this? 2874 02:31:52.319 --> 02:31:54.280 Exactly? He just lived next door to him, and he 2875 02:31:54.600 --> 02:31:57.280 testified that OJ beat Nicole went during that time over 2876 02:31:57.280 --> 02:31:58.840 there where those nine one one calls and he was 2877 02:31:58.879 --> 02:32:02.319 a dick. Was kind of the thrust of his testimony. 2878 02:32:04.760 --> 02:32:09.159 JJ, No, I. 2879 02:32:09.200 --> 02:32:10.719 Want to say that one. Towards the end, I figured 2880 02:32:10.760 --> 02:32:11.520 you enjoyed that one? 2881 02:32:11.959 --> 02:32:19.319 Oh my god, So what about what about? Okay, they've 2882 02:32:19.440 --> 02:32:22.479 done an excellent job making it look like it's OJ right. 2883 02:32:23.280 --> 02:32:25.360 Well, I mean he got the CIA director, So well, 2884 02:32:25.399 --> 02:32:26.879 what kind of spen we looking for here? You know 2885 02:32:26.920 --> 02:32:27.239 what I mean? 2886 02:32:27.559 --> 02:32:30.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, no. One hundred. But what 2887 02:32:30.360 --> 02:32:33.360 I'm what I was going to say is, if you 2888 02:32:33.559 --> 02:32:37.360 knew you were innocent, but every but you had been 2889 02:32:37.799 --> 02:32:42.079 convicted guilty in the minds of America because of this stuff, 2890 02:32:43.079 --> 02:32:45.920 why would you go on to write a book called 2891 02:32:46.200 --> 02:32:46.959 If I Did It? 2892 02:32:47.680 --> 02:32:49.319 Because I think he knew who you know again, he 2893 02:32:49.440 --> 02:32:51.040 knew who did it, and he knew kind of hell 2894 02:32:51.200 --> 02:32:53.040 how went down? And you know what I mean, he 2895 02:32:53.079 --> 02:32:54.719 wanted to I think he was in. He wasn't a 2896 02:32:54.719 --> 02:32:56.360 bright man. He wanted a profit off it because he 2897 02:32:56.399 --> 02:32:58.399 was broke at the time, right, So I think that's 2898 02:32:58.479 --> 02:33:01.799 kind of oh it grab. You know, it was a 2899 02:33:01.879 --> 02:33:04.440 money grab. So but you asked how this happened, this 2900 02:33:04.520 --> 02:33:07.319 low speed chase. So he's hiding out at Kardashians. They 2901 02:33:07.360 --> 02:33:09.520 charge him on the seventeenth, he's supposed to turn himself in. 2902 02:33:09.920 --> 02:33:12.360 He gets into a car with his old buddy Al Collens, 2903 02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:15.079 and Al Collens is the driver of this white Bronco. 2904 02:33:15.159 --> 02:33:17.239 They drove around town and became a big event. Right. 2905 02:33:17.639 --> 02:33:20.879 Al Collins was the bodyguard to that MafA, that Columbo 2906 02:33:21.000 --> 02:33:23.639 mafia dude, Joey Palito, who was one of the owners 2907 02:33:23.680 --> 02:33:26.280 in that restaurant franchise at the drug trafficking at Mezzaluna. 2908 02:33:27.479 --> 02:33:29.280 Shut the fuck up. 2909 02:33:30.079 --> 02:33:31.159 I can't make this shit up. 2910 02:33:32.840 --> 02:33:33.920 No, he wasn't. 2911 02:33:34.879 --> 02:33:37.520 Yeah, so Theya Kardashian and Shapiro tell him to turn 2912 02:33:37.600 --> 02:33:39.280 himself in. Him and Collins allegedly get in the car 2913 02:33:39.319 --> 02:33:42.000 and drive around for the next four hours wherever they went. 2914 02:33:42.120 --> 02:33:45.280 I don't know. That letter that Simpson wrote was alleged 2915 02:33:45.319 --> 02:33:47.239 to be a suicide note. I think that was he 2916 02:33:47.280 --> 02:33:48.559 thought they were going to kill him next. 2917 02:33:50.440 --> 02:33:55.760 Oh my god, that makes so much sense. 2918 02:33:56.440 --> 02:33:59.399 Yeah, Like I said, Paul Barbieri's on record of being 2919 02:33:59.440 --> 02:34:02.280 at Kardash during those three days from June thirteenth the 2920 02:34:02.399 --> 02:34:06.280 June seventeenth. There Bob Cocaine Evans was probably over there 2921 02:34:06.280 --> 02:34:06.600 too in my. 2922 02:34:06.639 --> 02:34:15.040 Assumption, well yeah, one hundred. Oh my goodness, there's somebody 2923 02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:16.840 in the chat that said, I'm two and a half 2924 02:34:16.959 --> 02:34:20.879 hours late. Did OJ do it or not? No, he didn't, 2925 02:34:21.239 --> 02:34:22.319 Oh my god. 2926 02:34:23.399 --> 02:34:25.239 And I appreciate you keeping up with the checks. I 2927 02:34:25.840 --> 02:34:26.920 way behind as always with. 2928 02:34:26.959 --> 02:34:32.520 That, it would appear even in the room. Yeah, you're 2929 02:34:32.559 --> 02:34:34.319 doing great, you're blowing my mind. 2930 02:34:35.120 --> 02:34:37.440 Nice. Yeah. I think the timeline again, that timeline on 2931 02:34:37.520 --> 02:34:39.399 oll recapital of the Indre, I think it just indicates 2932 02:34:39.440 --> 02:34:41.399 that there's just no way he could have been there. Right, 2933 02:34:41.479 --> 02:34:45.360 So when we're looking at that's that drug trafficking never 2934 02:34:45.440 --> 02:34:47.719 go out of those restaurants with the Mafiosa's right, So 2935 02:34:48.639 --> 02:34:52.200 we have again other folks that are murdered. Like I said, 2936 02:34:52.840 --> 02:34:55.280 the restaurant closes shortly after the murders, right, this is 2937 02:34:55.479 --> 02:34:59.079 ninety seven, La restaurant made famous the Simpson case closes doors. Right, 2938 02:34:59.159 --> 02:35:04.000 it's the Messaluna part of that franchise, right. But we 2939 02:35:04.120 --> 02:35:09.079 have folks that were that worked at that restaurant, that 2940 02:35:09.159 --> 02:35:11.879 were friends with Goldman, that were that were murdered. So 2941 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:15.239 we have Michael Nigg is his name, and he was 2942 02:35:15.360 --> 02:35:18.120 murdered in a very Ron Goldman style situation. He was 2943 02:35:18.159 --> 02:35:22.559 a fellow waiter there and likely you know, drug trafficker 2944 02:35:22.600 --> 02:35:23.319 there Massaluna. 2945 02:35:23.360 --> 02:35:27.520 And he also explained that if this was Oj, how 2946 02:35:27.600 --> 02:35:32.719 do you explain why people that were working with Ron 2947 02:35:32.840 --> 02:35:38.360 Goldman at this fucking restaurant ended up dead in a 2948 02:35:38.559 --> 02:35:41.719 similar fashion? How do you explain that? And by the way, 2949 02:35:41.840 --> 02:35:43.959 what the fuck is that really his last name? 2950 02:35:44.520 --> 02:35:47.000 It is Michael Nigg. Yes, I like where your heads 2951 02:35:47.040 --> 02:35:48.559 at because that's exactly where I'm att. And he's not 2952 02:35:48.639 --> 02:35:50.959 the only one. So there's multiple people in the aft 2953 02:35:51.040 --> 02:35:53.360 and the aftermath and preceding kind of preceding events that 2954 02:35:53.840 --> 02:35:56.719 that are connected to this whole, this whole situation. So 2955 02:35:57.200 --> 02:36:00.719 and OJ's friends too, and OJ's mobster buddy Buffalo who 2956 02:36:00.719 --> 02:36:03.280 owns a club in Miami who gets bumped off. I 2957 02:36:03.520 --> 02:36:07.399 think it's twelve days before OJ and that and that 2958 02:36:07.600 --> 02:36:10.239 case has been proved to be bunked through numerous appeals. 2959 02:36:10.280 --> 02:36:13.040 They depended on two dudes. Has been proven that, you know, 2960 02:36:13.079 --> 02:36:15.040 in recent years that those guys did not commit those 2961 02:36:15.239 --> 02:36:18.440 that murder. But again, that's one of OJ's friends. We'll 2962 02:36:18.440 --> 02:36:21.440 get to it in a minute. Kashmir shu Karski's his name, 2963 02:36:21.479 --> 02:36:23.840 and he came to visit OJ shortly before the murders 2964 02:36:23.879 --> 02:36:27.680 actually out in Los Angeles. But yeah, Michael nig Here 2965 02:36:27.879 --> 02:36:30.719 actual name. He worked with Ron there at Messaluna. Right, 2966 02:36:31.159 --> 02:36:34.239 he's murdered. So there, this is during the trial. So 2967 02:36:34.719 --> 02:36:44.680 the trial, during the trial, what oh JJ, And remember 2968 02:36:44.719 --> 02:36:46.520 how I said that they had a restaurant and aspen 2969 02:36:46.600 --> 02:36:48.040 that Nicole and her roommate. 2970 02:36:49.239 --> 02:36:55.760 No, my back, Yeah, you're back. Can you actually go 2971 02:36:55.920 --> 02:36:59.000 back up? Because you cut out when you said it 2972 02:36:59.159 --> 02:37:02.159 happen you died a month after and then it just 2973 02:37:02.239 --> 02:37:02.680 cut out. 2974 02:37:02.959 --> 02:37:05.719 Oh so it was fifteen months. It was September of 2975 02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:07.440 ninety five, but before the end of the end of 2976 02:37:07.479 --> 02:37:09.760 the trial in October of ninety five, right, so a 2977 02:37:09.840 --> 02:37:12.479 lot of stuff was coming out publicly, and this dude 2978 02:37:12.520 --> 02:37:15.319 gets murdered again. He's working at Massaluna, he's going between 2979 02:37:15.319 --> 02:37:19.040 the aspen locations and the Malibu locations, right, like Nicole 2980 02:37:19.079 --> 02:37:22.760 and her roommate Keith the manager, were doing so seemingly 2981 02:37:22.799 --> 02:37:26.799 there's these are connecting points between these drug drug trafficking operations. 2982 02:37:26.799 --> 02:37:32.120 If you asked me oddly enough, I'll say that story 2983 02:37:32.159 --> 02:37:37.959 for a different day. What involves Aspen cocaine trafficking and 2984 02:37:38.040 --> 02:37:40.120 the comedian Joey Diaz and how I suspect he got 2985 02:37:40.159 --> 02:37:45.280 involved in this network. Oh my god, he buys one admittance. 2986 02:37:45.319 --> 02:37:47.719 He was the drug drug meal for Bobby Brown and 2987 02:37:47.799 --> 02:37:50.120 Whitney Houston. He would fly them cocaine around place something. 2988 02:37:50.239 --> 02:37:51.639 Oh my god. 2989 02:37:52.440 --> 02:37:55.200 Yeah, and he came from Aspen. And again we you know, again, 2990 02:37:55.239 --> 02:37:57.840 I identified some stuff around that timeframe with Aspen and 2991 02:37:57.920 --> 02:38:01.399 these folks. So I'm just saying, so this. 2992 02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:05.760 Guy, this guy's clearly involved with something to end up 2993 02:38:05.840 --> 02:38:11.120 dead first off, but it's like it he died. It 2994 02:38:11.280 --> 02:38:14.399 wasn't like seven years later he died. He died during 2995 02:38:14.559 --> 02:38:15.159 the trial. 2996 02:38:16.239 --> 02:38:18.079 Yeah, and I did, And I got the details mixed up. 2997 02:38:18.159 --> 02:38:20.079 Yet he died during the trial. He got shot. He 2998 02:38:20.159 --> 02:38:23.200 got shot. So Goldman's other buddy. He was also friends 2999 02:38:23.200 --> 02:38:26.360 with Nicole Brett Cantor. He's the one who got stabbed 3000 02:38:26.360 --> 02:38:29.959 a bunch of times Goldman style, and that happened eleven 3001 02:38:30.040 --> 02:38:33.120 months before Goldman. So he was a record executive and 3002 02:38:33.200 --> 02:38:36.840 concert promoter and nightclub owner. Who was one of his 3003 02:38:37.159 --> 02:38:39.959 axi manager was Dion Warwick. So when I said the 3004 02:38:39.959 --> 02:38:43.040 Columbo crime family, there's Deon Warwick connections there and Deon 3005 02:38:43.079 --> 02:38:46.280 Warwick connections because that's first cousins with Whitney Houston. There's again, 3006 02:38:46.280 --> 02:38:48.719 there's more to these stories what I'm saying, perhaps for 3007 02:38:48.760 --> 02:38:52.239 a different time, but Cantor was associated with both Nicole 3008 02:38:52.319 --> 02:38:56.120 and Goldman here and them. Was brutally stabbed and murdered 3009 02:38:56.399 --> 02:38:58.920 on the night of early morning of July thirtieth, nineteen 3010 02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:02.600 ninety three. Cantre left another nightclub, club four thirty four, 3011 02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:05.559 not the one that he owned, and he was not 3012 02:39:06.520 --> 02:39:09.120 known to have been seen alive after that. Later that day, 3013 02:39:09.159 --> 02:39:11.600 his body was found at his Hollywood home, a short 3014 02:39:11.680 --> 02:39:14.920 distance from his nightclub Dragonfly. He had been stabbed twenty 3015 02:39:15.040 --> 02:39:17.559 three times around the head and arms. His throat had 3016 02:39:17.559 --> 02:39:21.319 been cut almost to the point of decapitation. He was 3017 02:39:21.360 --> 02:39:25.120 given a Colombian necktie, his tongue pulled through his incision 3018 02:39:25.440 --> 02:39:28.239 of his lower jawl as well, the old Columbia. No, 3019 02:39:28.920 --> 02:39:33.200 come on, and we're talking about Colombian drug traffickers here, 3020 02:39:33.200 --> 02:39:34.680 aren't we. The median cartail. Right. 3021 02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:39.239 His throat had been cut almost to the point of decapitation, 3022 02:39:39.639 --> 02:39:40.639 just like Nicole. 3023 02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:41.799 Yeah. 3024 02:39:42.120 --> 02:39:46.159 He had been stabbed twenty three times, just like one. 3025 02:39:47.079 --> 02:39:50.000 Yes, ma'am. And knew both of them, and knew both 3026 02:39:50.040 --> 02:39:52.040 of them, you know what I mean? 3027 02:39:54.120 --> 02:39:59.360 No, right, And he was dating I think it said 3028 02:39:59.399 --> 02:40:01.440 he was dating Rose McGowan. 3029 02:40:01.840 --> 02:40:03.799 Oh he was, Yeah, that's right. He was Danny Rose McGowan. 3030 02:40:03.879 --> 02:40:05.920 That's right, the one who came out with all the 3031 02:40:06.040 --> 02:40:06.920 pedo stuff. 3032 02:40:07.760 --> 02:40:10.319 Uh, the same one that grew up in the Children 3033 02:40:10.399 --> 02:40:13.879 of God called with the Phoenix Kids. And same one, 3034 02:40:13.959 --> 02:40:18.719 that same one that dated Neo process. Remember Marilyn Manson 3035 02:40:18.760 --> 02:40:21.479 who lived in the Tate lol Beionca death House. I 3036 02:40:21.559 --> 02:40:23.840 believe it that shortly well I think I was actually 3037 02:40:23.879 --> 02:40:26.000 shortly before they met. But he lives there again now 3038 02:40:26.079 --> 02:40:26.440 though too. 3039 02:40:26.639 --> 02:40:30.120 So oh JJ, that's gotta be connected. 3040 02:40:31.239 --> 02:40:33.120 I yes, maam, I would agree. This is what you're 3041 02:40:33.159 --> 02:40:35.719 pointing out, I think is evidence of a larger network, right, 3042 02:40:35.840 --> 02:40:38.959 this larger network, it's unfamiliar to us publicly because these 3043 02:40:39.200 --> 02:40:42.799 events are sold to us through this spooky Iran contry 3044 02:40:42.879 --> 02:40:46.280 to who contrary network style stuff, and we're sold these 3045 02:40:46.360 --> 02:40:48.680 details in a fictional fashion to where most of the 3046 02:40:48.680 --> 02:40:50.799 public doesn't know up from down. You know what I 3047 02:40:50.879 --> 02:40:55.200 mean on these subjects, right, this is that criminalists that 3048 02:40:55.360 --> 02:40:57.200 I couldn't find it before where he's walking around with 3049 02:40:57.200 --> 02:40:59.000 the vial, So they don't find out about that until 3050 02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:03.280 May of ninety six. Gary Siglari, supervising criminalists in La 3051 02:41:03.360 --> 02:41:08.040 County Corners Office, said investigators neglected to take very small 3052 02:41:08.159 --> 02:41:11.079 foreign blood droptlets from the slash body of YadA, YadA YadA. 3053 02:41:11.280 --> 02:41:14.479 He goes on to say that that Van Adders got 3054 02:41:14.520 --> 02:41:17.639 the blood vials of everybody because he got Simpson's that 3055 02:41:17.680 --> 02:41:19.280 when Simpson gave it to him on the thirteenth, and 3056 02:41:19.319 --> 02:41:20.879 then he went over to the Corners office to get 3057 02:41:20.920 --> 02:41:23.360 the victim's blood. And that's what they find out after 3058 02:41:24.120 --> 02:41:29.000 after the trial, right after m H I mean, what 3059 02:41:29.079 --> 02:41:30.440 are your what are some of your thoughts where I 3060 02:41:30.479 --> 02:41:34.799 close his home on this mafia stuff here, I just I. 3061 02:41:35.000 --> 02:41:41.079 Can't even begin to tell you all the ways that 3062 02:41:41.920 --> 02:41:43.959 you've shaken my reality. 3063 02:41:44.639 --> 02:41:46.079 Nice I like it it's just. 3064 02:41:48.399 --> 02:41:50.879 On a surface level, it's easy to believe that he 3065 02:41:51.079 --> 02:41:53.360 did it, or his kid did it, or he hired 3066 02:41:53.440 --> 02:41:55.799 somebody to do it, and maybe he wasn't there, but 3067 02:41:55.920 --> 02:41:59.840 he was behind it. Uh, none of that is true. 3068 02:42:00.639 --> 02:42:03.920 None of that can be true based on the forensic evidence. 3069 02:42:05.520 --> 02:42:08.280 Yes, ma'am. And again back to that cleanup operation. So 3070 02:42:08.440 --> 02:42:11.000 this fella, this is a fellow, This guy right here, 3071 02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:15.399 Kashmir butch Casey Sukarski was murdered on June sixth, nineteen 3072 02:42:15.479 --> 02:42:18.440 ninety four, when two mask gunmen burst into his home 3073 02:42:18.479 --> 02:42:21.399 in Mira mar Florida. Back to that Florida connection to Miami. 3074 02:42:21.840 --> 02:42:23.959 This guy was a nightclub owner down there, right him 3075 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:28.159 and two ladies, two of his strip club strippers, were 3076 02:42:28.239 --> 02:42:30.000 murdered in his home there in this event. And this 3077 02:42:30.159 --> 02:42:32.280 is an article talking about how the forensics were all 3078 02:42:32.799 --> 02:42:35.879 fictionalized that and they depended on these two dudes. One 3079 02:42:35.879 --> 02:42:37.239 of them they let out, the other one. They just 3080 02:42:37.319 --> 02:42:39.840 keep retrying even though they have no evidence against the guy. 3081 02:42:39.959 --> 02:42:42.239 So he's actually a Spanish citizen that's gotten to a 3082 02:42:42.319 --> 02:42:44.959 weird diplomatic event. I've been following as well. But you know, 3083 02:42:45.040 --> 02:42:47.120 this is part of that cleanup crew. So he gets 3084 02:42:47.200 --> 02:42:51.159 murdered less than a week before Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. 3085 02:42:51.559 --> 02:42:53.639 And apparently in May of that year ninety four, he 3086 02:42:53.799 --> 02:42:56.280 visited Simpson out there in California. Again, this is his 3087 02:42:56.360 --> 02:42:59.719 buddy from his Buffalo Bill's playing days. He's a mobster 3088 02:43:00.040 --> 02:43:01.040 night club owner from Buffalo. 3089 02:43:03.920 --> 02:43:05.440 So this is wild. 3090 02:43:06.639 --> 02:43:09.520 And then this is uh This came out during the trial. 3091 02:43:09.719 --> 02:43:13.719 Report links Simpson's friend callings to escape mobster. Right again, 3092 02:43:13.799 --> 02:43:15.920 this is the guys that own those restaurants, right, the 3093 02:43:16.440 --> 02:43:19.479 the epicenter of Colombo crime family and Banano crime family. 3094 02:43:19.559 --> 02:43:22.559 But this is a fellow by the name of Lorenzo, right, 3095 02:43:22.959 --> 02:43:26.079 Lorenzo and Ippolito. These they were the two two dudes 3096 02:43:26.120 --> 02:43:28.120 that are that were involved in that mix. One was Colombo, 3097 02:43:28.159 --> 02:43:32.280 the one was Banano. So Andrew Russo was the was 3098 02:43:32.319 --> 02:43:35.799 the you have well, actually have you have Andrew Russo, 3099 02:43:35.959 --> 02:43:39.760 you have you have a Joey Eppolito, and you have 3100 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:47.000 a third guy which is uh uh I forget his name. See, 3101 02:43:47.040 --> 02:43:49.959 the two main guys were Russo and Ippolito. So Russo 3102 02:43:50.959 --> 02:43:53.440 is Colombo and you can see him at his own wedding. 3103 02:43:53.479 --> 02:43:54.879 He's got James con there in the front of this 3104 02:43:54.959 --> 02:43:58.280 image back in the seventies. They go way back because 3105 02:43:58.280 --> 02:44:02.000 it's when Andrew Russo gets busted con puts up his home, 3106 02:44:02.200 --> 02:44:05.000 his Malibu home for for bail for the guy. Again, 3107 02:44:05.719 --> 02:44:08.200 he's he's got a minority interest in that restaurant group 3108 02:44:08.280 --> 02:44:09.559 in one of the one of the locations of the 3109 02:44:09.559 --> 02:44:12.840 pizza place in Beverly Hills, but it's at Ballito who 3110 02:44:13.479 --> 02:44:17.680 Al Collings is the the Columbo guy. Al Collings is 3111 02:44:17.760 --> 02:44:20.879 his bodyguarden driver. So the guy who's driving you know, 3112 02:44:21.559 --> 02:44:24.360 Simpson around on this you know, slow paced mascarade around 3113 02:44:24.399 --> 02:44:27.360 Los Angeles that day in June seventeenth. I mean, he's 3114 02:44:27.360 --> 02:44:28.200 even involved in the mix. 3115 02:44:28.319 --> 02:44:34.840 Right, Oh my god, what the fuck? 3116 02:44:35.920 --> 02:44:38.879 Right? I mean, we were all kind of sold Al 3117 02:44:39.000 --> 02:44:40.760 Collings as the guy of the driver. They don't. No 3118 02:44:40.840 --> 02:44:42.360 one really said much about it, and even when it 3119 02:44:42.399 --> 02:44:44.440 was ran in national media, no one really touched on. 3120 02:44:44.520 --> 02:44:47.840 It, you know, because it was like, don't look over here. 3121 02:44:48.600 --> 02:44:54.520 Yep, I suspected, go ahead, Well, what what. 3122 02:44:54.799 --> 02:44:58.760 Is exactly did they say about mess A Luna closing? 3123 02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:00.840 Was it shortly out after the trial? 3124 02:45:01.959 --> 02:45:04.079 Yeah? So the trial ins in October ninety five, and 3125 02:45:04.120 --> 02:45:05.879 they close. I think in March of ninety seven they're 3126 02:45:05.879 --> 02:45:09.760 closed still, the owners sold, and he went into the 3127 02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:12.159 gas in its free he's Elevenese felt that's a different 3128 02:45:12.200 --> 02:45:12.920 story altogether. 3129 02:45:13.680 --> 02:45:16.239 I was gonna say there's something going on with that too, 3130 02:45:16.440 --> 02:45:20.040 because all of this is linked, even the closing of 3131 02:45:20.120 --> 02:45:23.959 the restaurant, and like Ron Goldman and then running coke 3132 02:45:24.079 --> 02:45:27.799 and doing whatever, like this is all important. 3133 02:45:28.479 --> 02:45:30.399 Oh for sure. And again I think it's all. But 3134 02:45:30.639 --> 02:45:32.799 you're getting the coke from the Median cartel through like 3135 02:45:32.840 --> 02:45:35.360 folks like Bob Cocaine, Evan's friend Karen Green, murder and 3136 02:45:35.399 --> 02:45:38.200 co conspirator and murder Ry Raidin. You're getting your coat 3137 02:45:38.239 --> 02:45:39.879 through there, you know. And they're going to cover up 3138 02:45:40.120 --> 02:45:42.639 her husband's murder for thirty plus years, even though she's 3139 02:45:42.639 --> 02:45:45.200 in prison today in California. Forty raidings. You know, you 3140 02:45:45.239 --> 02:45:47.000 don't want to start letting cats out of bags because 3141 02:45:47.000 --> 02:45:49.520 suddenly things start, you know, getting real weird. And you 3142 02:45:49.600 --> 02:45:52.760 find athlete Bailey running a CIA drug running bank out 3143 02:45:52.760 --> 02:45:55.559 of Miami that is deeply invested in a junk bond 3144 02:45:55.600 --> 02:45:58.399 scanal out of Wall Street, right involving the likes of 3145 02:45:58.440 --> 02:45:59.840 Jeffrey Epstein's friends. 3146 02:46:00.520 --> 02:46:06.239 Mm hmm, my god, didn't you feel bad? 3147 02:46:09.000 --> 02:46:12.040 Just freeze your brain hole? Well, that's what I'm saying. 3148 02:46:12.159 --> 02:46:14.799 Like his night That's why I called his nightmare team, right, 3149 02:46:14.959 --> 02:46:16.319 like they may got him off, right. 3150 02:46:16.200 --> 02:46:23.200 But yeah, but not really, dude, I would have won, still. 3151 02:46:23.000 --> 02:46:24.120 Live his entire life under this. 3152 02:46:25.840 --> 02:46:28.520 I would have went to dying on the hill saying 3153 02:46:28.600 --> 02:46:29.280 that he did this. 3154 02:46:32.760 --> 02:46:35.120 Right. So I actually have one more video as we 3155 02:46:35.200 --> 02:46:37.200 close this out and plays this one more video on 3156 02:46:37.200 --> 02:46:39.920 the forensic evidence that the demonstrates he did not do this. 3157 02:46:40.479 --> 02:46:43.000 So this guy actually a tow truck driver. I guess 3158 02:46:43.079 --> 02:46:45.000 for some regard. He had to move the he had 3159 02:46:45.000 --> 02:46:47.040 to move the white Bronco from the police m pound 3160 02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:50.159 lot two weeks after the murders, right, and he testified 3161 02:46:50.200 --> 02:46:52.440 that there was no blood on that door. And and uh, 3162 02:46:52.879 --> 02:46:55.920 this is a clip from the trial where he's emphasizing 3163 02:46:55.959 --> 02:46:59.920 that even though Marcia Clark, the scientologist lady, is demanding otherwise. 3164 02:47:01.239 --> 02:47:04.879 The first photographs do you labeled as a shows the 3165 02:47:04.959 --> 02:47:08.399 driver's panel with the numbers twenty one, twenty two, and 3166 02:47:08.520 --> 02:47:09.079 twenty three. 3167 02:47:10.559 --> 02:47:11.399 First, I'm gonna. 3168 02:47:11.159 --> 02:47:12.040 Show it to you, sir. 3169 02:47:14.639 --> 02:47:17.399 And ask you if you were looking for little sears 3170 02:47:17.440 --> 02:47:20.040 of blood like those marked in the markers of twenty 3171 02:47:20.120 --> 02:47:22.840 one and twenty two and twenty three d to perform 3172 02:47:22.959 --> 02:47:25.799 that question Sustainable Press question. 3173 02:47:34.000 --> 02:47:34.040 E. 3174 02:47:36.040 --> 02:47:40.120 The red substance near twenty two the number twenty two, Okay, 3175 02:47:40.159 --> 02:47:41.319 and you see this is the red substance. 3176 02:47:41.399 --> 02:47:42.079 Here's twenty one. 3177 02:47:42.559 --> 02:47:44.120 You see the red substance here twenty three. 3178 02:47:44.239 --> 02:47:47.040 Listen, now, if you were told, sir, that this photograph was. 3179 02:47:47.040 --> 02:47:49.719 Taken on June the fourteenth, a week prior to your getting. 3180 02:47:49.479 --> 02:47:51.760 Into the bronco, would it change your opinion or your 3181 02:47:51.799 --> 02:47:54.479 testimony any that you did not see any blood on 3182 02:47:54.600 --> 02:47:56.559 the driver's door took to performing that question. 3183 02:47:56.559 --> 02:48:00.319 Or the fact that I noticed, well so day that 3184 02:48:00.399 --> 02:48:03.040 I seen the Bronco, there was no blood. 3185 02:48:04.280 --> 02:48:05.920 You saw no blood in any of these areas? 3186 02:48:05.959 --> 02:48:07.040 Is that in testimony search? 3187 02:48:08.200 --> 02:48:09.440 Can I just put you up? Sure? 3188 02:48:10.959 --> 02:48:12.559 I can tell you that I didn't see any blood here. 3189 02:48:13.040 --> 02:48:14.120 I didn't see any blood here. 3190 02:48:15.559 --> 02:48:18.399 This might be possible, but I didn't see anything. 3191 02:48:21.280 --> 02:48:22.799 With the witness that just said shooting. 3192 02:48:23.719 --> 02:48:26.280 So based upon that evidence, you can see the guys 3193 02:48:26.360 --> 02:48:28.559 moving to the carbe slayers and that wasn't there. And 3194 02:48:28.639 --> 02:48:30.760 the fact that they had blood vials and then blood 3195 02:48:30.760 --> 02:48:32.719 and later was missing from those vials, you know, so 3196 02:48:33.399 --> 02:48:35.680 I presume the blood was transferred to a new vial 3197 02:48:36.600 --> 02:48:37.479 right planted later. 3198 02:48:38.479 --> 02:48:40.360 It makes me want to go back and watch the 3199 02:48:40.479 --> 02:48:43.360 trial again from start to finish, knowing what I know now, 3200 02:48:43.440 --> 02:48:45.639 because they were clearly planting stuff. 3201 02:48:47.319 --> 02:48:49.600 Yeah again, for sure, one hundred percent. And even the 3202 02:48:49.680 --> 02:48:52.280 jurors have made statements today saying that we knew that 3203 02:48:52.360 --> 02:48:55.639 that's part of their deliberations. There's one juror she's like, 3204 02:48:55.760 --> 02:48:58.840 we never discussed race. We talked about firm and plant 3205 02:48:58.879 --> 02:49:01.000 and stuff and that or plant and stuff and how 3206 02:49:01.159 --> 02:49:03.479 aj clearly didn't do it. But again, it's how these 3207 02:49:03.520 --> 02:49:06.159 things were packaged to us. So the jurors aren't talking 3208 02:49:06.319 --> 02:49:09.319 race even though there's clearly racial considerations in these matters. 3209 02:49:09.360 --> 02:49:12.280 And this is after high racial tensions in lah. 3210 02:49:13.639 --> 02:49:21.719 JJ. Well back, yes, you said they didn't discuss race 3211 02:49:22.200 --> 02:49:25.360 because clearly they were planting stuff. Yeah. 3212 02:49:25.479 --> 02:49:28.040 I mean, like a couple of the jurors statements, they 3213 02:49:28.120 --> 02:49:29.840 make it to the effect of we knew they were 3214 02:49:29.879 --> 02:49:32.959 planting stuff and named Firman and van atter and they're like, 3215 02:49:33.079 --> 02:49:35.559 we understood there was racial tensions. Again, this is the 3216 02:49:35.600 --> 02:49:38.239 time after Rodney King and the riots and everything in La. 3217 02:49:38.360 --> 02:49:40.719 Do you think that was just a bad coincidence that 3218 02:49:40.879 --> 02:49:42.440 this all happened around that time. 3219 02:49:43.159 --> 02:49:45.639 I think the folks that were perpetrating these crimes that 3220 02:49:45.760 --> 02:49:48.079 do so in a manner in which to create social turbulence, 3221 02:49:48.120 --> 02:49:50.319 in a manner that's so chaotic, they have to have 3222 02:49:50.399 --> 02:49:52.159 a boiling point and build up, so that we saw 3223 02:49:52.200 --> 02:49:54.159 that boiling point and build up with Rodney King the 3224 02:49:54.280 --> 02:49:56.360 La riots, and the breaking point was supposed to be 3225 02:49:57.159 --> 02:49:59.559 this case, and it's they didn't achieve their goals. I 3226 02:49:59.559 --> 02:50:04.159 don't think, right, mm hmmm. It's that helter skelter concept 3227 02:50:04.200 --> 02:50:06.319 of the processed church is kind of theology right of 3228 02:50:06.680 --> 02:50:09.200 creating cast which is based upon it's based upon the 3229 02:50:09.239 --> 02:50:11.239 Tavistocks social turbulence research. 3230 02:50:13.239 --> 02:50:16.040 That's I mean to me, that's always played a part 3231 02:50:16.120 --> 02:50:19.319 in it too, because I was like, they gave him, 3232 02:50:20.280 --> 02:50:23.840 they gave him like a mostly black dury and it 3233 02:50:24.079 --> 02:50:26.639 was in the middle of some crazy shit and it 3234 02:50:26.799 --> 02:50:29.920 was like, of course they're gonna find him innocent, and 3235 02:50:30.079 --> 02:50:32.360 he got away with it, and da da dad. 3236 02:50:32.760 --> 02:50:39.479 They made a mockery of it, absolutely absolutely think and 3237 02:50:39.559 --> 02:50:41.159 again I think you can look at the evidence right, 3238 02:50:41.239 --> 02:50:43.840 the timeline of events, even as sold and what was known, 3239 02:50:43.959 --> 02:50:48.000 and you know, the the you know, the censorship of 3240 02:50:48.040 --> 02:50:50.280 some of the witnesses didn't fit that, the ignoring of 3241 02:50:50.319 --> 02:50:53.520 the evidence that didn't wasn't OJS. The DNA under the 3242 02:50:53.600 --> 02:50:55.600 nail of Nicole Brown, the blood on her body, that 3243 02:50:55.719 --> 02:50:59.440 wasn't OJ's. Right, we see them redesigning the entire scene 3244 02:50:59.479 --> 02:51:02.040 by saying, on Goldman never came over there towards Nicole, 3245 02:51:02.719 --> 02:51:05.639 you know. And yet the blood on his feet. He 3246 02:51:06.159 --> 02:51:07.879 had blood on her blood and his blood on the 3247 02:51:07.920 --> 02:51:08.760 bottom of his sneakers. 3248 02:51:08.799 --> 02:51:14.000 So dude, he definitely slipped in that blood or walked 3249 02:51:14.040 --> 02:51:14.360 through it. 3250 02:51:15.079 --> 02:51:18.719 And then for sure, and we get the evidence that 3251 02:51:18.799 --> 02:51:21.479 he did make contact with his assailants twenty years after 3252 02:51:21.520 --> 02:51:24.000 the fact. But during the hearing we get mister Tom Lang, 3253 02:51:24.040 --> 02:51:27.799 who's currently doing YouTube tours, convincing everyone and even though 3254 02:51:27.840 --> 02:51:30.959 Ojy's dead and we're still trying to convince folks, warrenhal 3255 02:51:31.040 --> 02:51:33.879 Jamis Simpson did it. This is the guy who testified 3256 02:51:33.959 --> 02:51:36.879 under Rose saying that Goldman never made contact with his assailants. 3257 02:51:36.959 --> 02:51:40.159 Yet the coroner's reporting all photographs clearly dictated. 3258 02:51:39.799 --> 02:51:48.200 Otherwise that's just absolute travesty of justice. Yeah, I mean so, 3259 02:51:49.479 --> 02:51:52.360 and obviously we'll never know who really did it. 3260 02:51:53.920 --> 02:51:56.600 That's that's probably true, Yes, ma'am, I would agree with that. 3261 02:51:56.760 --> 02:52:02.920 Yeah, but again, just in summary, what do you think 3262 02:52:03.200 --> 02:52:05.520 was the motive to kill these two? 3263 02:52:06.840 --> 02:52:08.479 So I think there is an argument being made by 3264 02:52:08.479 --> 02:52:11.799 Steven Singular's sorts from the LA District Attorney's office who 3265 02:52:11.840 --> 02:52:14.600 notified him as part of this white nationalist underground movement 3266 02:52:14.680 --> 02:52:17.600 that was actually spawned from a meeting in Hayden Lake 3267 02:52:17.680 --> 02:52:20.920 near Sandpoint, Idaho. Mind you, three of the victims live 3268 02:52:20.959 --> 02:52:23.280 within a ten mile radius of where this meeting took place. 3269 02:52:23.280 --> 02:52:26.120 According to the LA Prosecutor's office, this is the same 3270 02:52:26.159 --> 02:52:28.719 area where the Order was in a shootout with the 3271 02:52:28.840 --> 02:52:31.719 FBI back in I think nineteen eighty four over the 3272 02:52:31.799 --> 02:52:33.920 murder of Allen Berg and a number of bank robberies 3273 02:52:34.200 --> 02:52:38.399 on their previous domestic terrorism campaign. Right in nineteen eighty four, 3274 02:52:38.600 --> 02:52:41.239 So fast four d to ten years right. According to 3275 02:52:41.239 --> 02:52:43.959 the LA Prosecutor's office, they were repeating that same plan 3276 02:52:44.280 --> 02:52:46.799 via a same meeting at the same location from ten 3277 02:52:46.879 --> 02:52:49.319 years prior to in the wake and the ten year 3278 02:52:49.360 --> 02:52:52.120 anniversary of Allenberg's death, which occurred I believe a week 3279 02:52:52.239 --> 02:52:55.120 prior to the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson, according to 3280 02:52:55.200 --> 02:52:57.799 the investigation done by the La County Prosecutor's office. According 3281 02:52:57.840 --> 02:52:59.639 to Stephen singular in the until he received from them 3282 02:52:59.799 --> 02:53:01.680 and took to the defense, and the defense told him 3283 02:53:01.719 --> 02:53:06.159 to go fuck himself, you know. They told him that 3284 02:53:06.280 --> 02:53:08.200 this was all a network, you know, and it was 3285 02:53:08.239 --> 02:53:10.479 connected to these campaigns, and they were gonna they wanted 3286 02:53:10.520 --> 02:53:14.200 to kill a white woman who who was a race trader, 3287 02:53:14.200 --> 02:53:18.399 as they put it, and they were you know, looking 3288 02:53:18.479 --> 02:53:20.479 to to you know, again the way the way it 3289 02:53:20.520 --> 02:53:22.200 was described as singular in the way he reports in 3290 02:53:22.280 --> 02:53:25.559 his book, there a legacy of deception about Mark Furman, 3291 02:53:25.600 --> 02:53:28.920 who was printed during the trial. Again because everyone after 3292 02:53:28.959 --> 02:53:31.120 the deputy prosecutor notified him all this stuff, and he 3293 02:53:31.239 --> 02:53:33.120 contacts the defense and everyone told him to go fuck himself. 3294 02:53:33.120 --> 02:53:35.200 He's like, well, I'm gonna write this then, so that's 3295 02:53:35.239 --> 02:53:37.200 why he did, and six months later he published it. 3296 02:53:37.280 --> 02:53:40.000 And so this was a whole network embedded with folks 3297 02:53:40.040 --> 02:53:43.680 in government like Furman, who, according to numerous reports, was 3298 02:53:43.719 --> 02:53:47.479 wearing Nazi memorabilia underneath his you know, I'm sorry Nazi 3299 02:53:47.639 --> 02:53:51.000 rank underneath his lapel. Got fired for being an ardent Nazi. 3300 02:53:51.719 --> 02:53:53.879 A report was written during the trial, a trial where 3301 02:53:53.920 --> 02:53:57.200 he perjured himself, pled the fifth, got a felony, created 3302 02:53:57.239 --> 02:53:59.239 a disaster for everybody. And I think that was his 3303 02:53:59.399 --> 02:54:02.040 goal from moment one. So not only was it the 3304 02:54:02.120 --> 02:54:04.639 Chadok event of the murder of this white woman, right 3305 02:54:04.920 --> 02:54:07.479 who he chose And I'll get to that in a second. Firman, 3306 02:54:07.520 --> 02:54:09.079 I believe is the one who selected the victim and 3307 02:54:09.079 --> 02:54:11.680 all this. He's apparently a very powerful figure, according to 3308 02:54:11.799 --> 02:54:14.680 that report and Steven Sinkler's book, a powerful figure within 3309 02:54:14.719 --> 02:54:19.799 this network, right, this Nazi network, right, and again he 3310 02:54:19.920 --> 02:54:21.799 lives up there today and his commenting on the Idaho 3311 02:54:21.879 --> 02:54:26.120 four case. Numerous victims are from that area. One of 3312 02:54:26.200 --> 02:54:31.360 those victims her uncle, her dad's brother. Ardent Nazi. Make 3313 02:54:31.399 --> 02:54:36.719 this up? Come up, cannot make this shit up. I'm 3314 02:54:36.760 --> 02:54:38.479 just trying to phone. I'm trying to find a real 3315 02:54:38.520 --> 02:54:44.399 picture of it because I muppetized. Hey, yeah, I'm uppetizing, 3316 02:54:44.520 --> 02:54:48.559 but I m moopotize everybody anymore, especially the Outaho four case. 3317 02:54:49.200 --> 02:54:51.840 But this is him wearing a Nazi uniform addressing a rally. 3318 02:54:52.520 --> 02:54:55.040 And I leave twenty ten, I changed you know, this 3319 02:54:55.159 --> 02:54:57.280 is the real I'm just describing. This is a real uniform. 3320 02:54:57.559 --> 02:54:59.440 I just gave him muppet head and I wrote coburger 3321 02:54:59.559 --> 02:55:02.280 is innocent and spray paint on the back wall, just 3322 02:55:02.360 --> 02:55:05.319 to be a you know, jackass about it. But that 3323 02:55:05.479 --> 02:55:07.200 is one of the victims uncle. And again that's you know, 3324 02:55:07.920 --> 02:55:10.920 he's not from that area. He's actually from the Portland area. 3325 02:55:11.000 --> 02:55:14.879 But you know his niece and his brother up there 3326 02:55:14.920 --> 02:55:17.760 in that San Hayden Lake area just north of Corterline 3327 02:55:17.840 --> 02:55:21.239 or just north of Cortland, Idaho, same place Furman lives, 3328 02:55:21.440 --> 02:55:24.239 same place, the orders from same place. Allegedly the meeting 3329 02:55:24.440 --> 02:55:26.920 took place in nineteen ninety four and nineteen eighty four 3330 02:55:27.000 --> 02:55:30.600 to hatch these nationwide domestic white nationalist terror events. And 3331 02:55:30.639 --> 02:55:32.319 again there's a lot to be said about these things 3332 02:55:32.360 --> 02:55:35.079 because incorporated, and I think in that nineties movement was 3333 02:55:35.120 --> 02:55:38.040 the key Ho Brothers. You remember that shootout in Wilmington, Ohio, 3334 02:55:39.040 --> 02:55:41.399 the key Oh Brothers. They exchanged shots with the Ohio 3335 02:55:41.479 --> 02:55:43.559 State Police from a distance of I believe nine meters, 3336 02:55:44.040 --> 02:55:46.840 like sixteen shots and no one gets hit. Well that 3337 02:55:47.319 --> 02:55:50.040 do you know the name Israel. No one gets hit. 3338 02:55:50.120 --> 02:55:54.680 Do you know the name Israel Keys, serial killer from 3339 02:55:54.680 --> 02:55:59.319 Alaska to Vermont and back? Lots of Oh well, well, 3340 02:55:59.399 --> 02:56:01.719 I'll have to get educate on him sometime here soon. Man. 3341 02:56:01.799 --> 02:56:04.639 But Israel Keys and the Keyhoe brothers just happened to 3342 02:56:04.680 --> 02:56:06.719 grow up with each other in Idaho. So there's a 3343 02:56:06.760 --> 02:56:10.440 lot to be said about these Come on, there's a 3344 02:56:10.479 --> 02:56:11.840 lot to be said about these things. 3345 02:56:12.440 --> 02:56:14.680 There's a lot to be said about serial killers in 3346 02:56:14.799 --> 02:56:18.959 general and murders in general. I mean, the person who 3347 02:56:19.159 --> 02:56:23.559 killed uh Nicole might be a serial killer. 3348 02:56:23.319 --> 02:56:26.799 But we'll never know, right Sam. When we were looking 3349 02:56:26.840 --> 02:56:28.680 at this network though, I mean we're we're looking at 3350 02:56:29.719 --> 02:56:31.920 parts and pieces of this network. We're trying to describe 3351 02:56:31.920 --> 02:56:35.239 a network like blunt, like that the old Buddhist principle 3352 02:56:35.280 --> 02:56:37.319 of the six blind men, you know, holding different parts 3353 02:56:37.360 --> 02:56:40.040 of the elephant, describing the elephant in which they can 3354 02:56:40.079 --> 02:56:41.920 describe it because they can't see you, they can only feel. 3355 02:56:41.959 --> 02:56:44.120 But whether they're not seeing the bigger picture of this 3356 02:56:44.200 --> 02:56:46.200 giant creature, right, And that's kind of what we're describing here. 3357 02:56:46.239 --> 02:56:48.719 You're describing a tale. I'm just describing a trunk or 3358 02:56:48.760 --> 02:56:50.840 a foot, and we're missing the entire thing. But I 3359 02:56:50.879 --> 02:56:53.840 think that entire creature revolves around by largely around a 3360 02:56:53.879 --> 02:56:57.920 fellow by the name of Bob Cocaine Evans, who, having 3361 02:56:58.000 --> 02:57:02.559 all these teens from Manson said OJ to Idaho, you're 3362 02:57:02.639 --> 02:57:05.200 gonna find old Cocaine Bob, and you want to look 3363 02:57:05.200 --> 02:57:07.799 to why things don't get We don't know about these things. 3364 02:57:08.200 --> 02:57:12.200 One of his closest associates, Uh, Henry Kissinger. You know, 3365 02:57:12.399 --> 02:57:17.399 one of the men say anything's last security? Come on, ye, 3366 02:57:18.200 --> 02:57:23.280 Arry Kissinger, Henry Kissinger's right hand man, retired major general 3367 02:57:23.319 --> 02:57:26.959 from the Air Force, Prince Scowcroft, his assistant, started one 3368 02:57:27.000 --> 02:57:29.000 of the neo process cults, a fellow by the name 3369 02:57:29.000 --> 02:57:29.799 of J. J. Bryan. 3370 02:57:31.040 --> 02:57:32.239 Wow, dude. 3371 02:57:32.399 --> 02:57:35.959 So we got forty years apart, we got process surrounding 3372 02:57:36.319 --> 02:57:40.520 one dude, Henry Kissinger, and none of than Cocaine Bob Evans. 3373 02:57:41.200 --> 02:57:43.440 And it is Cocaine Bob that went into business with 3374 02:57:43.479 --> 02:57:46.000 the Columbo crime family whish to produce the film Godfather. 3375 02:57:46.159 --> 02:57:49.239 So when we're seeing those Columbo characters later in the nineties, 3376 02:57:49.319 --> 02:57:51.479 he's had associations with them for twenty plus years. 3377 02:57:51.520 --> 02:57:54.559 By that point in time, Where the fuck did this 3378 02:57:54.680 --> 02:57:55.479 guy come from? 3379 02:57:56.280 --> 02:57:59.479 Oh? Cocaine, Bob, none of em. In Westchester County, New York. 3380 02:57:59.600 --> 02:58:01.479 The EPP Center, it's a den of iniquity up there. 3381 02:58:01.520 --> 02:58:03.040 I don't think there's much that comes out of there 3382 02:58:03.079 --> 02:58:04.159 that's worth worthwhile. 3383 02:58:04.360 --> 02:58:10.040 Wow, this guy is legit like behind everything. 3384 02:58:10.840 --> 02:58:12.479 I think he's a major character. And again, I think 3385 02:58:12.520 --> 02:58:15.200 that's why Maury Terry stopped his his active Son of 3386 02:58:15.200 --> 02:58:18.440 Same investigation in the early nineties and concentrate on the O. J. 3387 02:58:18.559 --> 02:58:21.280 Simpson case, because he saw all the hallmarks of Bob's 3388 02:58:21.280 --> 02:58:22.799 were cocaine, Bob and that ordeal. 3389 02:58:23.559 --> 02:58:29.000 Wow. I wonder if McGowan looked into this at all 3390 02:58:30.000 --> 02:58:32.040 because he was a fan of Maury Terry. 3391 02:58:33.319 --> 02:58:35.520 It was McGowan that I learned about the blood files 3392 02:58:35.559 --> 02:58:37.879 from van Atter and weird seeing inside the Canyon. 3393 02:58:38.040 --> 02:58:38.200 Oo. 3394 02:58:39.000 --> 02:58:41.479 Yeah, I think I think he also is the one 3395 02:58:41.479 --> 02:58:43.120 who reports that van Atter was on scene at the 3396 02:58:43.159 --> 02:58:45.120 Tate Pulanski come as well as a rookie officer. 3397 02:58:46.120 --> 02:58:50.360 The Tate Polansky and the four on the floor connection too, 3398 02:58:50.840 --> 02:58:51.920 is blowing my mind. 3399 02:58:52.360 --> 02:58:54.360 Which that's yeah, and that's Tom Ling again. These guys 3400 02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:56.600 are you know, they're just they're doing they're working together, 3401 02:58:56.760 --> 02:58:59.399 not necessarily always immediately together. But they're on the same cases, 3402 02:58:59.440 --> 02:59:02.840 and all these differ major events and running bag man operations. 3403 02:59:02.879 --> 02:59:05.600 And again, I would be remiss if I was talking 3404 02:59:05.600 --> 02:59:08.959 about the Tate Planski murderers, Cocaine Bob and I didn't 3405 02:59:08.959 --> 02:59:13.360 at least make a final considerations for one of my 3406 02:59:13.479 --> 02:59:18.079 favorite characters in the Idaho case, and that is Victoria Gooch, 3407 02:59:19.639 --> 02:59:23.879 who I like to call aka the Gooch. So she's 3408 02:59:23.920 --> 02:59:28.159 at ISD detective Who's who's involved in all the integral 3409 02:59:28.159 --> 02:59:31.559 evidence in the case, this fictitional case against pictitional case 3410 02:59:31.600 --> 02:59:35.920 against Brian Coburger. Right. Her father was Paul Taate, US 3411 02:59:36.000 --> 02:59:39.840 Army intelligence protege for numerous assignments over many years. They 3412 02:59:39.920 --> 02:59:42.120 moved to the Bay Area. At the same time, her 3413 02:59:42.239 --> 02:59:45.440 father went undercover for many for like three years. She 3414 02:59:45.600 --> 02:59:48.280 never saw them. Paul Tate's undercover at the same time, 3415 02:59:48.479 --> 02:59:52.840 allegedly investigating his daughter's murder, actor Sharon Tate. Sharon Tate 3416 02:59:53.000 --> 02:59:55.920 murdered by the Manson family. Two of the officers the 3417 02:59:55.959 --> 02:59:58.959 first officer on scene at o at the Simpson Goldman murders, 3418 02:59:59.399 --> 03:00:02.239 Richard Waller was one of the early officers on seeing it. 3419 03:00:02.280 --> 03:00:05.200 Tate Polanski, the lead detective at van Atter one of 3420 03:00:05.280 --> 03:00:08.520 the early officers on seeing it Tate Polanski and again 3421 03:00:09.399 --> 03:00:13.000 that's the Gooch's father's mentor was Paul Tait there in 3422 03:00:13.079 --> 03:00:16.360 US Army Intelligence. And you know Bob Cocaine Evans is 3423 03:00:16.399 --> 03:00:18.959 the one who broke her, that Tate Polanski marriage. And 3424 03:00:19.719 --> 03:00:22.840 we see you know, folks from Rosemary's Baby, like Charles 3425 03:00:22.920 --> 03:00:25.639 Grodin selling this this oj narrative. You know, he gets 3426 03:00:25.680 --> 03:00:29.360 a start courtesy of Bob Cocaine. We see James conn 3427 03:00:29.440 --> 03:00:31.600 hiding the mafia figures involved with the drug trafficking. Right, 3428 03:00:31.600 --> 03:00:34.040 He's in business within the restaurant business. He gets his 3429 03:00:34.360 --> 03:00:37.120 career thanks to Bob Cocaine Evans. You know, so we 3430 03:00:37.319 --> 03:00:38.440 you know, I think all these things. 3431 03:00:38.280 --> 03:00:40.879 Are sister is. 3432 03:00:43.520 --> 03:00:45.079 Right, a mob. 3433 03:00:45.000 --> 03:00:54.520 Hitman Anthony Fiato, Anthony Fiato and that like that's just 3434 03:00:54.639 --> 03:00:55.680 a coincidence. 3435 03:00:56.639 --> 03:00:59.399 And once everything falls out in the case, right, you 3436 03:00:59.479 --> 03:01:01.040 know they call him man as a witness in the 3437 03:01:01.079 --> 03:01:02.559 case in January of ninety five. I think it's a 3438 03:01:02.639 --> 03:01:09.399 Jena the case slate in the case. That's too much, right. 3439 03:01:09.799 --> 03:01:13.520 And then back to the Manson case, you have Angela Lansbury, 3440 03:01:13.639 --> 03:01:16.440 her daughter, she signed a letter for her daughter to 3441 03:01:16.680 --> 03:01:18.959 be into the guardianship of Charles Manson. Her believe was 3442 03:01:19.000 --> 03:01:21.920 fourteen year old daughter, So her fourteen year old daughter 3443 03:01:21.959 --> 03:01:24.000 was a member of the Manson family. When the Manson 3444 03:01:24.079 --> 03:01:26.799 family gets charged, Charles and some of his girls in 3445 03:01:26.840 --> 03:01:30.680 text Watson and get charge. Angela high tails it back 3446 03:01:30.680 --> 03:01:33.079 to the homeland of Ireland. Right, but she's obviously famous 3447 03:01:33.079 --> 03:01:36.559 for murder, she wrote, right, and again, you know this 3448 03:01:36.760 --> 03:01:39.200 is my depiction of the gooch because she's a murder 3449 03:01:39.280 --> 03:01:44.319 mystery writer herself. Strangely, and again, it's her father that 3450 03:01:44.440 --> 03:01:46.200 goes right back to that tape Plansky murder. 3451 03:01:47.200 --> 03:01:51.959 Come on, she is a murder novelist. 3452 03:01:53.000 --> 03:01:55.120 She teaches classes on murder mystery fiction. 3453 03:01:56.200 --> 03:01:59.239 Shut the fuck up. She'd be great at it, right. 3454 03:01:59.719 --> 03:02:01.280 I think she is to think she's the one who's 3455 03:02:01.440 --> 03:02:04.319 largely scripted this bullshit narrative round coburger. I mean, it's 3456 03:02:04.360 --> 03:02:04.959 falling apart. 3457 03:02:05.079 --> 03:02:09.760 But this is too much. Jj. 3458 03:02:11.000 --> 03:02:13.639 I'm glad I could change your mind there, Julia. I 3459 03:02:13.760 --> 03:02:15.399 know it's been a lot of information. I wish I 3460 03:02:15.440 --> 03:02:17.000 could keep up with the comments. It looks like the 3461 03:02:17.520 --> 03:02:20.239 folks of the interwebs have enjoyed our discussion here on 3462 03:02:20.319 --> 03:02:22.840 these nos. Do you have any closing statements or any 3463 03:02:22.840 --> 03:02:24.799 I know I've kept your long time here this evening. 3464 03:02:24.879 --> 03:02:27.440 I appreciate everyone's time and attention. Do you have any 3465 03:02:27.520 --> 03:02:30.120 closing statements on some of these ideas or just your 3466 03:02:30.479 --> 03:02:35.399 general thought on the events around OJ scientology, this ongoing 3467 03:02:35.520 --> 03:02:39.079 criminal enterprise that seems to revolve around drug and traveicking 3468 03:02:39.200 --> 03:02:39.760 hood rest shit. 3469 03:02:41.040 --> 03:02:43.840 Well, when we started this episode, I said, you know, 3470 03:02:44.040 --> 03:02:47.079 I hope you can change my mind, and you definitely have, 3471 03:02:47.440 --> 03:02:53.319 so congrats JJ Vance not vice president. I would say 3472 03:02:54.920 --> 03:02:56.239 OJ Simpson did. 3473 03:02:56.319 --> 03:02:57.159 Not do it. 3474 03:02:58.319 --> 03:03:00.600 I don't think his sun did it. I don't think 3475 03:03:01.079 --> 03:03:04.120 you know, he paid somebody to do it. All of 3476 03:03:04.319 --> 03:03:07.079 the you know, the theories out there. I will say 3477 03:03:07.120 --> 03:03:12.440 whether or not Nicole was actually a dude, that's still 3478 03:03:12.520 --> 03:03:15.399 up for debate. I mean, whether she had a penis 3479 03:03:15.520 --> 03:03:20.959 or not, she definitely got murdered, or she's Megan Kelly. 3480 03:03:21.319 --> 03:03:22.920 I'm happy to consider if she's a dude, but I'm 3481 03:03:22.920 --> 03:03:25.559 also equally as happy to consider she might be Megan. 3482 03:03:25.399 --> 03:03:30.239 Kelly, right right, right right. I mean this was incredible. 3483 03:03:30.399 --> 03:03:32.079 I feel like I learned so much. I don't know 3484 03:03:32.159 --> 03:03:35.040 about anybody in the comment section. But I can tell 3485 03:03:35.079 --> 03:03:37.639 you straight up, I enjoyed every minute of it, and 3486 03:03:38.120 --> 03:03:40.239 the time passed so quickly. I looked up and I 3487 03:03:40.319 --> 03:03:42.000 was like, oh my god, we've been going three hours. 3488 03:03:42.040 --> 03:03:43.840 That's crazy. It doesn't even feel like that. 3489 03:03:44.479 --> 03:03:45.959 That was my reaction. I was like, holy shit, I've 3490 03:03:45.959 --> 03:03:49.200 been talking about I didn't realize that, but I. 3491 03:03:49.440 --> 03:03:51.440 Didn't even feel like that because I looked up and 3492 03:03:51.479 --> 03:03:54.239 I was like, oh damn. I mean that's a lot 3493 03:03:54.319 --> 03:03:58.040 of information and actually a pretty short amount of time. 3494 03:03:58.120 --> 03:04:00.159 I hope everybody else enjoyed it as much as as 3495 03:04:00.200 --> 03:04:04.200 I did. But damn, I mean the bag and the stick, bro, 3496 03:04:05.079 --> 03:04:06.040 all this stuff. 3497 03:04:06.159 --> 03:04:09.239 It's nuts, right because again, that stuff was presented at 3498 03:04:09.319 --> 03:04:11.040 real time in the trial, and we were just all 3499 03:04:11.079 --> 03:04:14.959 distracted and other these talking heads from Bob Cocaine Evans 3500 03:04:15.000 --> 03:04:17.799 buddy Charles Groden to a scientologists great a ancestral to 3501 03:04:17.959 --> 03:04:21.159 Charles Manson's buddy at Ryiner to doctor Phil who's likely 3502 03:04:21.239 --> 03:04:25.680 a scientologists. You know, these people all forgot about They 3503 03:04:25.719 --> 03:04:27.799 all sold us as raw bill of goods on how 3504 03:04:27.840 --> 03:04:29.559 to actually they framed this stuff in there, you know, 3505 03:04:29.639 --> 03:04:32.239 in a manner in which to convince us you know 3506 03:04:32.639 --> 03:04:34.520 that our own eyes are deceiving us. And I think 3507 03:04:34.559 --> 03:04:38.879 that's kind of part of what it's about, right, convincing 3508 03:04:38.920 --> 03:04:40.959 folks that what you're seeing with your eyes and ain't 3509 03:04:41.040 --> 03:04:42.840 that ain't real? What I'm telling you is. 3510 03:04:44.360 --> 03:04:47.559 Yeah, like literally, you can't believe your own eyes even 3511 03:04:47.639 --> 03:04:49.520 though it's right in front of you. 3512 03:04:50.159 --> 03:04:52.319 I think that's part of their goal in creating social turbulence. 3513 03:04:52.360 --> 03:04:54.399 And look where we're at today. Look how much folks 3514 03:04:54.520 --> 03:04:57.920 believe whatever is told. I mean ninety four, I recall folks. 3515 03:04:58.399 --> 03:05:01.920 Folks were skeptical in the eighties. My grandmother said, don't 3516 03:05:01.920 --> 03:05:05.040 ever believe anything you see on TV. I said, you can't. 3517 03:05:05.680 --> 03:05:08.879 She didn't graduate high you know, she didn't graduate high school. 3518 03:05:08.920 --> 03:05:11.159 She's an uneducated lady from Pikeville, Kentucky. But I tell 3519 03:05:11.159 --> 03:05:13.120 you one thing, she was brilliant, you know what I mean. 3520 03:05:13.719 --> 03:05:18.559 So well, my family was going on. My family is 3521 03:05:18.799 --> 03:05:26.000 also equally. My grandma and grandpa are from Butcher's Creek, Kentucky, 3522 03:05:26.360 --> 03:05:29.280 and they were They didn't graduate high school either, and 3523 03:05:29.360 --> 03:05:30.959 they were some of the smartest people I know. 3524 03:05:32.159 --> 03:05:34.920 So yeah, there you go. And I just I saw 3525 03:05:34.959 --> 03:05:37.120 a comment I wanted to address her real quick. I'm not, 3526 03:05:37.319 --> 03:05:40.079 by no means am I trying to advocate or White 3527 03:05:40.159 --> 03:05:42.920 Knight for Orental James Simpson. The guy was into some 3528 03:05:43.000 --> 03:05:43.680 hood rats shit. 3529 03:05:43.719 --> 03:05:43.879 He was. 3530 03:05:44.000 --> 03:05:46.000 He knew exactly what went on all these things, and 3531 03:05:46.399 --> 03:05:50.200 as I demonstrated, socialized with all these weirdos, including Cocaine Bob. 3532 03:05:50.399 --> 03:05:52.360 They were good friends, apparently. 3533 03:05:53.600 --> 03:05:56.760 Comment I like that comment. OJ is still a piece 3534 03:05:56.799 --> 03:05:59.200 of ship. But I don't think he did it anymore. 3535 03:05:59.319 --> 03:06:01.000 That's where I'm That's. 3536 03:06:01.079 --> 03:06:02.479 A great way to put it. That's a great way. 3537 03:06:02.479 --> 03:06:05.600 I mean, he definitely still is a scoundrel in a 3538 03:06:06.000 --> 03:06:11.360 pos as the comment said. But I mean he didn't 3539 03:06:11.520 --> 03:06:14.120 kill her. I mean he just didn't. 3540 03:06:14.479 --> 03:06:18.079 Sorry. Yeah, and again I think we're you know, part 3541 03:06:18.120 --> 03:06:20.239 of it is convincing us that again we're not seeing 3542 03:06:20.280 --> 03:06:23.000 Oh there's kine, I see there's or we're not seeing uh, 3543 03:06:23.280 --> 03:06:25.399 you know, the full picture because we're being directed in 3544 03:06:25.479 --> 03:06:28.360 this magic show somewhere else. Right, follow the widget and 3545 03:06:28.440 --> 03:06:29.719 shiny objects. 3546 03:06:29.319 --> 03:06:30.319 And helter scale. 3547 03:06:30.319 --> 03:06:32.440 You're going to tell you what we're seeing. Yeah. Again, Yeah, 3548 03:06:32.479 --> 03:06:34.479 they bastardize that. Right, There is an element to that 3549 03:06:34.559 --> 03:06:37.520 that was accurate and true, but they're bastardizing it later 3550 03:06:37.680 --> 03:06:39.799 to twist it and you know, pervert it right. 3551 03:06:39.799 --> 03:06:43.239 And to not one hundred one hundred. 3552 03:06:44.319 --> 03:06:46.399 I think the same thing goes through all the Audaho stuff. 3553 03:06:46.639 --> 03:06:48.840 We can apply everything we discussed tonight and apply it 3554 03:06:48.879 --> 03:06:51.159 to Idaho, and it is the exact same framework, and 3555 03:06:51.239 --> 03:06:53.559 as I've demonstrated, include some of the exact same people 3556 03:06:53.639 --> 03:06:55.840 that go over all the way back to Cocaine Bob 3557 03:06:56.319 --> 03:06:58.319 and all the way by major figures the problem, the 3558 03:06:58.360 --> 03:07:02.680 major propa and this major propaganda's Cocaine Biles Buddy, the 3559 03:07:02.799 --> 03:07:07.280 lead detective, the daughter of Colonel Paul Tait's protege, who 3560 03:07:07.280 --> 03:07:11.000 appears have gone undercover with Colonel Paul Tait himself, that 3561 03:07:12.920 --> 03:07:16.680 her her law Enforcemententtor Victoria Gooch, is a cousin of 3562 03:07:16.719 --> 03:07:21.639 Mark Furman, just saying so fucked up. Well, I'm glad 3563 03:07:21.680 --> 03:07:24.159 you've enjoyed these details of Julian. I definitely appreciate your time, 3564 03:07:24.200 --> 03:07:26.079 and I'll give you some more one more time for 3565 03:07:26.159 --> 03:07:28.879 closing statements. But I forgot I dropped this one on you, 3566 03:07:29.079 --> 03:07:30.799 and it was included in the trial. And I don't 3567 03:07:30.799 --> 03:07:33.200 want to belabor the point, but uh, Mark Furman was 3568 03:07:33.239 --> 03:07:36.600 demonstrated to no personal details and likely, uh, you know, 3569 03:07:36.680 --> 03:07:40.280 intimate details of Nicole Brown Simpson's life, including the size 3570 03:07:40.280 --> 03:07:44.040 of her new augmented breasts in the in the schedule, 3571 03:07:44.520 --> 03:07:48.600 the schedule of her children's custody with with the Orangal 3572 03:07:48.680 --> 03:07:51.440 j Simpson. So he knew the intimate details of her life. 3573 03:07:52.040 --> 03:07:53.680 So there's a lot more to that story. 3574 03:07:54.399 --> 03:07:59.959 Oh come on, Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel 3575 03:08:00.079 --> 03:08:02.920 like I didn't even contribute very much to the episode 3576 03:08:02.959 --> 03:08:06.920 because there's no way I can prove him guilty. 3577 03:08:06.959 --> 03:08:08.760 Well, you're bringing the questions. You're the one who started 3578 03:08:08.799 --> 03:08:10.799 this conversation. Like I said, I'm happy to address all 3579 03:08:10.799 --> 03:08:13.360 these subjects because it's very relevant today. But when you 3580 03:08:13.479 --> 03:08:14.760 mentioned that to me the other day, I'm like, well, 3581 03:08:14.760 --> 03:08:16.760 I'm happy to answer any of your questions, and you know, 3582 03:08:17.040 --> 03:08:18.760 take a baseline of your understanding of it, and then 3583 03:08:18.799 --> 03:08:21.079 we'll Yeah, you and the folks at the interwebs, how 3584 03:08:21.120 --> 03:08:22.639 that didn't work out that way and we've all been 3585 03:08:22.719 --> 03:08:25.360 sold our fucking bullshit magic show around. 3586 03:08:25.440 --> 03:08:31.079 OJ did it and he did absolutely absolutely wow. Wow. 3587 03:08:31.639 --> 03:08:34.479 Laurie in the comment says, I'm with Julia, Now I 3588 03:08:34.639 --> 03:08:38.360 know he didn't do it. That's right, man. 3589 03:08:38.920 --> 03:08:41.520 Nice He didn't. Yeah, that's again, I'm happy to I'm 3590 03:08:41.520 --> 03:08:45.159 happy to have these conversations. The same shit's going on. 3591 03:08:45.319 --> 03:08:49.520 I'd argue it's the same spooky network of trafficking activities, 3592 03:08:49.600 --> 03:08:53.280 cult and hood rat shit and involves white nationalists, politicians, police, 3593 03:08:53.360 --> 03:08:57.239 law enforcement attorneys, and again are fun filled characters from 3594 03:08:57.280 --> 03:08:59.920 OJ like Mark Furman, who's there loud and proud on 3595 03:09:00.040 --> 03:09:03.319 TV telling them everyone Brian Coberger did it despite zero 3596 03:09:03.479 --> 03:09:08.799 evidence supporting such claims. Oh my god, bag men are 3597 03:09:08.879 --> 03:09:10.840 going to bag though, right, especially the Nazi. 3598 03:09:10.760 --> 03:09:13.559 Bag man going to bag That's right. 3599 03:09:14.520 --> 03:09:16.520 I never asked for Himan, Like, hey, it says here 3600 03:09:16.559 --> 03:09:18.840 you're a felon, and it says here you got fired 3601 03:09:18.920 --> 03:09:21.360 for force returning because you're a Nazi. No one ever 3602 03:09:21.479 --> 03:09:23.440 asks some of these questions. Yet he's on TV all 3603 03:09:23.479 --> 03:09:28.719 the time. And as I showed you, those are documented facts. 3604 03:09:28.719 --> 03:09:30.360 I mean, he signed the plea agreement. I mean it's. 3605 03:09:31.719 --> 03:09:36.040 He could have fought it, I guess, so it wouldn't 3606 03:09:36.079 --> 03:09:40.799 get very far. He perjured himself for sure. So do 3607 03:09:40.879 --> 03:09:42.520 you see what I'm saying is like, this is kind 3608 03:09:42.520 --> 03:09:45.120 of the framework we've been seeing since sixty nine. They're 3609 03:09:45.200 --> 03:09:48.159 ninety four Onto twenty twenty two involves a lot of 3610 03:09:48.200 --> 03:09:50.959 the same characters with tentacles going back all the way 3611 03:09:51.000 --> 03:09:52.959 to those other scenes, right, and again a lot of 3612 03:09:53.000 --> 03:09:55.479 its scientology process stuff if you asked me. 3613 03:09:55.600 --> 03:09:58.440 But I'm not the only ones. They work with other parties, 3614 03:09:58.479 --> 03:10:01.520 the Mafia, the Nazis, you know, there's you know they convene, 3615 03:10:01.799 --> 03:10:04.360 you know, the spooks, right. You know it's like Perma 3616 03:10:04.399 --> 03:10:07.639 Decks Permadeck's the the old board that was at the 3617 03:10:07.760 --> 03:10:10.319 center of the JFK investigation of Jim Garrison. You had 3618 03:10:10.440 --> 03:10:14.159 Joseph Banano, crime boss from New York City, who's one 3619 03:10:14.200 --> 03:10:18.559 of his guys. Bonano guy was the or Hippolito. I 3620 03:10:18.639 --> 03:10:21.399 believe it was the Banano guy there. Joey Appalito in 3621 03:10:21.479 --> 03:10:24.680 the in the drug trafficking the OJ case. Andrew Russo 3622 03:10:24.760 --> 03:10:29.440 was the Columbo guy. So you have you know, Joseph Banano, 3623 03:10:29.879 --> 03:10:32.600 Roy Kohane, who accorded to David Burke, which is a 3624 03:10:32.639 --> 03:10:36.639 member of the process, right, and then you have Clay Shaw, 3625 03:10:37.040 --> 03:10:38.799 a CIA dude who was at the center of the 3626 03:10:38.840 --> 03:10:41.760 Garrison investigation. They were on the board together, right. So 3627 03:10:41.920 --> 03:10:44.000 what I'm saying is we're seeing these different facets. We 3628 03:10:44.120 --> 03:10:46.040 have examples of them all working together in the past, 3629 03:10:46.520 --> 03:10:48.440 seventy years ago, sixty. 3630 03:10:48.239 --> 03:10:51.040 Years ago, you know what I mean, seventy years ago 3631 03:10:51.559 --> 03:10:53.239 and today and today we're still going like I don't 3632 03:10:53.239 --> 03:10:54.600 know what's going on here, you know what I mean? 3633 03:10:54.639 --> 03:10:57.360 This is some you know, people are blaming them mafia, 3634 03:10:57.360 --> 03:10:59.600 they're blaming the Nazis, They're blaming the colts, they're blaming 3635 03:10:59.600 --> 03:11:02.200 the proli called or whatever, you know, blaming the spooks 3636 03:11:02.200 --> 03:11:05.159 with the irene contrade who contra there, It's all the same, 3637 03:11:05.600 --> 03:11:10.920 you know, We're all talking about the same elephant, right hyeah. 3638 03:11:11.319 --> 03:11:13.280 So that's what that's what concerns me about these topics 3639 03:11:13.360 --> 03:11:16.000 is we're still being afflicted by these today in our society. 3640 03:11:16.520 --> 03:11:19.360 You know, folks like Brian Coburger or being a railroad 3641 03:11:19.440 --> 03:11:22.000 in the systems. I can't imagine the number of folks 3642 03:11:22.040 --> 03:11:25.319 have been relroaded under these pretenses of this network of activity. 3643 03:11:25.760 --> 03:11:28.239 I'm sure I could. I know that it's not thating 3644 03:11:28.280 --> 03:11:30.639 what he wants to say, but you know, that's why 3645 03:11:30.639 --> 03:11:33.040 I think it's relevant. I appreciate your time and understanding 3646 03:11:33.079 --> 03:11:36.520 and open mind on the subject. What's your biggest takeaway? 3647 03:11:36.559 --> 03:11:38.360 You think then we can close out on that and 3648 03:11:38.399 --> 03:11:40.239 then any anything you're working on, because I know it's 3649 03:11:41.040 --> 03:11:42.959 three hours plus and I appreciate your time, Julia. 3650 03:11:43.719 --> 03:11:47.200 Yeah, no, I've enjoyed every minute of it. I think 3651 03:11:47.360 --> 03:11:54.079 for me, just the forensic evidence not adding up the 3652 03:11:54.200 --> 03:12:02.200 connections between everyone involved, right, and the timeline doesn't add 3653 03:12:02.280 --> 03:12:07.879 up down to the driver in the low speed chase 3654 03:12:08.000 --> 03:12:12.239 being connected. I mean, JJ, it's too much. It's too much. 3655 03:12:12.680 --> 03:12:16.479 It's literally everybody, right, including the prosecution's witnesses, are clearly involved, 3656 03:12:16.840 --> 03:12:17.040 you know. 3657 03:12:17.479 --> 03:12:20.600 Yeah, And like I said earlier, the bag and the 3658 03:12:20.719 --> 03:12:24.120 stick and all that, the when the car was impounded, 3659 03:12:24.200 --> 03:12:26.520 nobody saw any blood on it. Then the files are 3660 03:12:26.639 --> 03:12:28.719 missing for three days, and then all of a sudden, 3661 03:12:28.799 --> 03:12:29.600 blood's everywhere. 3662 03:12:29.920 --> 03:12:32.280 I mean, come on, yeah, the files are missing for 3663 03:12:32.319 --> 03:12:34.000 three days and all of a sudden, bloods everywhere, and 3664 03:12:34.360 --> 03:12:37.600 the evidence finally gets emitted into evidence after that, and 3665 03:12:38.079 --> 03:12:40.840 then they immediately arrest him, claiming in the problem cause 3666 03:12:40.840 --> 03:12:43.920 affidavit that they had DNA evidence to support this rest. 3667 03:12:44.200 --> 03:12:46.559 They did not. They did not. That's the same case 3668 03:12:46.600 --> 03:12:49.520 with Coburger. They did the same thing in Coburger, with 3669 03:12:49.639 --> 03:12:52.440 the same PCA nonsense and adapting it later they say 3670 03:12:52.479 --> 03:12:53.520 they didn't have that shot. 3671 03:12:54.840 --> 03:12:56.920 Well, doesn't it make you want to look at other 3672 03:12:57.239 --> 03:13:02.319 famous true crime case and I wonder if the motherfucker's 3673 03:13:02.399 --> 03:13:05.280 actually did it, Like do you think, for example, this 3674 03:13:05.440 --> 03:13:08.239 one came up recently for me and I just want 3675 03:13:08.280 --> 03:13:12.879 your opinion, Scott Peterson, do you think he did it 3676 03:13:13.040 --> 03:13:13.200 or not? 3677 03:13:13.879 --> 03:13:15.959 I'm glad you said that. I think Edward Edward's in 3678 03:13:15.959 --> 03:13:18.680 the same network of Hand of Death style cult network 3679 03:13:18.799 --> 03:13:20.799 is involved in that, just like that's who I think 3680 03:13:20.840 --> 03:13:23.840 perpetrates these cult crimes that we're discussing right is, as 3681 03:13:23.920 --> 03:13:27.159 Henry Lee Lucas explained the Hand of Death, he's describing 3682 03:13:27.200 --> 03:13:28.879 an actual network he was not at the charge of. 3683 03:13:29.000 --> 03:13:31.239 I think at the top of that, that Hand of 3684 03:13:31.280 --> 03:13:33.399 Death assassin network, you'll find a man by the name 3685 03:13:33.399 --> 03:13:34.760 of Edward Wayne Edwards. 3686 03:13:36.399 --> 03:13:39.200 You think he was involved in lacy In, Scott. 3687 03:13:40.079 --> 03:13:42.639 I think if he didn't have his direct hands in it, 3688 03:13:42.760 --> 03:13:46.159 it's somebody within his assassin network back. He's more like 3689 03:13:46.200 --> 03:13:48.719 a military commander of assassins of you him as and 3690 03:13:48.840 --> 03:13:52.040 the folks like Henry lu Lucas under him or his soldiers. 3691 03:13:52.600 --> 03:13:54.520 If he didn't do it, they used the same playbook 3692 03:13:54.559 --> 03:13:57.000 to frame people, right, So it's the same case with 3693 03:13:57.040 --> 03:14:00.920 Scott and Lacy Peterson. There's a very limited, circumstantial case. 3694 03:14:01.239 --> 03:14:03.959 The timelines don't match up. The prosecution bends and twist 3695 03:14:04.079 --> 03:14:06.840 narratives that throughout the entire prosecution and case and investigation. 3696 03:14:07.760 --> 03:14:11.000 It seems to be a very occult, ritualistic homicide. And 3697 03:14:11.159 --> 03:14:12.959 I don't think Scott Peterson did it, But what I 3698 03:14:13.000 --> 03:14:16.280 will say is, much like OJ, Scott Peterson is a 3699 03:14:16.399 --> 03:14:20.440 fucking scumbag. Here's a bolden scumbags activities and found himself 3700 03:14:20.559 --> 03:14:22.760 as a result of it. You're not going to convince 3701 03:14:22.879 --> 03:14:26.040 me that a man who is the number one fertilizer 3702 03:14:26.680 --> 03:14:30.520 dealer in California apparently for this huge fertilizer company, maybe 3703 03:14:30.559 --> 03:14:34.360 even the nation. He's the number one salesman and he 3704 03:14:34.520 --> 03:14:38.600 works in meth Desto, California. Modesto the capital of myth, 3705 03:14:38.680 --> 03:14:42.000 they call it meth Desto, and fertilizer just happens to 3706 03:14:42.040 --> 03:14:44.280 be using the production of myth. So you're not going 3707 03:14:44.319 --> 03:14:46.479 to vince me there's not a direct connection there. 3708 03:14:47.760 --> 03:14:50.479 Well, I mean, it's it just interests me because if 3709 03:14:50.639 --> 03:14:52.719 do it to OJ, they can do it to anybody. 3710 03:14:53.159 --> 03:14:56.680 It's a point, and they can convince you. Even someone 3711 03:14:56.840 --> 03:14:59.760 like me, who is skeptical of everything, can be convinced 3712 03:15:00.799 --> 03:15:02.000 that the motherfucker did it. 3713 03:15:03.159 --> 03:15:04.719 I agree, you know you're right. I don't. I don't 3714 03:15:04.719 --> 03:15:06.959 follow in from buyding of the magic show. You're paying 3715 03:15:06.959 --> 03:15:08.840 attention to the circus here and believe in it, believe 3716 03:15:08.840 --> 03:15:11.040 in the hype because again it's well designed. It's a 3717 03:15:11.120 --> 03:15:13.959 magic show. Intentionally, I would argue it's actual magic, and 3718 03:15:14.159 --> 03:15:16.520 they're doing it with an operational plan. From the beginning. 3719 03:15:16.719 --> 03:15:19.440 This was an operational plan to establish these talking heads 3720 03:15:19.920 --> 03:15:22.680 like Charles Groden, like gread of Ancestor, and like Ira Reiner, 3721 03:15:22.879 --> 03:15:26.040 like doctor Phil these folks that folks would believe these 3722 03:15:26.159 --> 03:15:28.760 these high profile crime events from like we got Nancy 3723 03:15:28.799 --> 03:15:31.239 Grace today even though we didn't have her back then. 3724 03:15:31.280 --> 03:15:34.639 But I'm saying there's been evolutions of these characters. Ashley Banfield, 3725 03:15:35.399 --> 03:15:37.680 she's doing she's doing a lot of the propaganda for 3726 03:15:37.920 --> 03:15:40.399 Idaho for so the stuff that's written in that air 3727 03:15:40.440 --> 03:15:43.440 mail article series. She then takes and reports on news Nation, 3728 03:15:43.600 --> 03:15:46.440 this weird news program that showed up on the interwebs 3729 03:15:46.479 --> 03:15:48.440 right around the time of the murders, you know, so 3730 03:15:49.200 --> 03:15:51.200 she and she got her start in the OJ case 3731 03:15:51.200 --> 03:15:53.159 out of Vegas doing the national media on that for 3732 03:15:53.280 --> 03:15:56.399 I believe CNN. So we see these figures built up 3733 03:15:56.600 --> 03:15:58.920 and then sold to us as a general public to 3734 03:15:59.000 --> 03:16:01.280 believe these storylines. These are trustworthy people, They're gonna tell 3735 03:16:01.280 --> 03:16:03.319 you the truth. And again there was an operational plan. 3736 03:16:03.360 --> 03:16:05.040 I think there was an actor at OJ with the 3737 03:16:05.120 --> 03:16:07.319 onset of this televising these trials. 3738 03:16:09.120 --> 03:16:12.760 I mean, one hundred absolutely. 3739 03:16:13.799 --> 03:16:15.520 Said I don't ever, I don't ever, I don't ever 3740 03:16:15.559 --> 03:16:17.040 blame folks for buying into the hyper though. 3741 03:16:17.600 --> 03:16:19.680 Yeah, I was gonna say that, that's the thing is 3742 03:16:19.719 --> 03:16:23.159 they've they've done a bad, sloppy job, but an amazing 3743 03:16:23.319 --> 03:16:24.399 job at the same time. 3744 03:16:25.239 --> 03:16:28.600 Yep, I would agree with you on that. Yeah, I mean, 3745 03:16:28.600 --> 03:16:30.200 there's only so much they can do when you're trying 3746 03:16:30.200 --> 03:16:32.840 to control narratives and stuff, and you can't plan in 3747 03:16:32.959 --> 03:16:35.600 nineteen ninety four for the birth of the interwebs, right, 3748 03:16:35.760 --> 03:16:38.840 even though the birth of the interwebs is kind of 3749 03:16:38.920 --> 03:16:42.079 connected to Moscow, Idaho, and in the case of they're 3750 03:16:42.120 --> 03:16:44.159 in a weird way through Dharpa and stuff, but it's 3751 03:16:44.159 --> 03:16:48.079 a different story altogether. But what I'm saying, you can't 3752 03:16:48.079 --> 03:16:50.079 account for some of these factors right in the future, right, 3753 03:16:50.360 --> 03:16:52.120 but you can. You can account for some factors like 3754 03:16:52.200 --> 03:16:54.520 never asking Mark Furman why he's a fella Nazi, why 3755 03:16:54.559 --> 03:16:55.639 anyone cares about his opinion. 3756 03:16:57.879 --> 03:16:58.719 That's a good one. 3757 03:16:59.040 --> 03:17:01.319 Yeah, you can account for that, and they do account 3758 03:17:01.319 --> 03:17:03.719 for that. But they're just there's some some factors they 3759 03:17:03.719 --> 03:17:05.799 can't account or some of them. A lot of fuck 3760 03:17:05.879 --> 03:17:08.479 ups get fucked up trying to cover up the fuck up, 3761 03:17:08.520 --> 03:17:08.959 if you will. 3762 03:17:09.040 --> 03:17:11.040 So it's just a you know what I mean, I 3763 03:17:11.360 --> 03:17:14.239 couldness said it better. That's perfect. 3764 03:17:14.840 --> 03:17:16.360 That's the way I look up. We look at these 3765 03:17:16.399 --> 03:17:18.120 things like people are brilliant, their ponies things. A lot 3766 03:17:18.159 --> 03:17:20.159 of times they're fucking up and then they fucking cover that. 3767 03:17:20.520 --> 03:17:24.040 So it's you know, and again we're sometimes we get 3768 03:17:24.040 --> 03:17:25.639 focus a little bit too much credit on things. So 3769 03:17:25.719 --> 03:17:26.879 you know, there's a lot of stuff that did get 3770 03:17:26.879 --> 03:17:28.399 account of foreign here, a lot of stuff that didn't. 3771 03:17:28.440 --> 03:17:32.000 But I mean, in the end, they pulled off their goal, you. 3772 03:17:32.040 --> 03:17:34.360 Know, yeah, one hundred, one hundred. 3773 03:17:34.680 --> 03:17:36.440 I mean, as sloppy as it was in hindsight, they 3774 03:17:36.479 --> 03:17:38.840 pulled off their goal. Again, we didn't know that that 3775 03:17:39.120 --> 03:17:41.719 that Goldman made contact with his assailants, because. 3776 03:17:42.280 --> 03:17:44.520 Tom Lane, the guy who's doing for twenty years. 3777 03:17:44.879 --> 03:17:47.680 Yeah, and Tom Lane's doing two media tours right now, 3778 03:17:47.760 --> 03:17:51.239 saying Athol James Simpson did it. Yet he clearly led 3779 03:17:51.280 --> 03:17:53.799 under Ruth, much like his buddies van at Or and Furman. 3780 03:17:53.879 --> 03:17:56.959 But once again, Ojay's dream team, or as I would claim, 3781 03:17:57.399 --> 03:18:01.479 nightmare team, did not ask Van Adam nor Lang if 3782 03:18:01.479 --> 03:18:03.920 they planted evidence. Why would they never do that? Why 3783 03:18:03.959 --> 03:18:06.600 would they concentrate in Furman? Right? So they played They 3784 03:18:06.719 --> 03:18:08.479 played into all this stuff too. Again, I think the 3785 03:18:08.559 --> 03:18:13.079 only person that cared about oj on that team was Kardashian. Again, 3786 03:18:13.399 --> 03:18:15.879 he's the one who hires Shapiro. Shapiro hires the rest 3787 03:18:15.879 --> 03:18:18.559 of the scumbags. And you know, I don't think o 3788 03:18:18.680 --> 03:18:20.559 j had any you know again, I don't think he's 3789 03:18:20.559 --> 03:18:21.120 a brilliant man. 3790 03:18:21.559 --> 03:18:26.280 You know it's not a rocket, No, definitely not. You 3791 03:18:26.440 --> 03:18:28.159 married a tranny for Christ's sake. 3792 03:18:28.799 --> 03:18:30.879 Well, I'm happy you should. We should definitely do that 3793 03:18:31.000 --> 03:18:32.639 in the future, whether or not she's a man, will 3794 03:18:32.639 --> 03:18:34.680 have those conversations. I also like to discuss them much. 3795 03:18:34.680 --> 03:18:38.120 She's begging Kelly two individuals. I understand both have cocaine problems, 3796 03:18:38.200 --> 03:18:43.319 began Kelly and Simpsons exactly. All right, Well, Julie, I 3797 03:18:43.360 --> 03:18:45.799 appreciate I appreciate your time, and folks of nwebs appreciate 3798 03:18:45.840 --> 03:18:47.639 your time here this evening, and I hope other folks 3799 03:18:47.680 --> 03:18:51.920 have captain open mind on the topics of Warrenthal, James Simpson, 3800 03:18:52.000 --> 03:18:54.360 these syops and this what I would argue, this hood 3801 03:18:54.399 --> 03:18:58.319 rat spook network of Iran manson Iran contra to Idaho contra, 3802 03:18:58.440 --> 03:19:02.079 that we that still plagues our society today. And you know, 3803 03:19:02.319 --> 03:19:06.399 I think understanding it and identifying these things is step one, 3804 03:19:06.440 --> 03:19:10.200 because seventy thirty twenty years later, we shouldn't just be 3805 03:19:10.280 --> 03:19:12.600 figuring out well, shit, that was all bullshit, you know 3806 03:19:12.639 --> 03:19:15.360 what I mean. But it's that it's that Henry Kissinger 3807 03:19:15.520 --> 03:19:20.000 national security style. You know, we live in you know 3808 03:19:20.040 --> 03:19:22.520 what I mean, like we're we live in this kind 3809 03:19:22.559 --> 03:19:25.879 of you know, these ideas of national security since nineteen 3810 03:19:25.959 --> 03:19:28.680 forty seven, folks, three folks can stamp things national security. 3811 03:19:28.760 --> 03:19:32.360 You're looking at one of them, Henry Kissinger, for numerous presidents, 3812 03:19:32.399 --> 03:19:35.319 and then we don't know things right, so we don't 3813 03:19:35.360 --> 03:19:37.440 really have freedom of speech in this country. We haven't 3814 03:19:37.520 --> 03:19:41.200 since the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, which 3815 03:19:41.200 --> 03:19:44.559 I would argue as a exclusively Nazi venture. But yeah, 3816 03:19:44.559 --> 03:19:47.159 I'm happy to discuss all the you know, conspiracies around 3817 03:19:47.200 --> 03:19:49.360 Nicole Bran because again, I think, you know, once you 3818 03:19:49.440 --> 03:19:52.760 start breaching the surface of this weird underlying network of 3819 03:19:52.879 --> 03:19:55.559 our society with these characters, I mean, it gets weird 3820 03:19:55.600 --> 03:19:57.799 pretty fast. So you don't think I think all bets 3821 03:19:57.799 --> 03:19:59.040 are off. I think there's a lot of things that 3822 03:19:59.040 --> 03:20:01.360 are possible one hundred. 3823 03:20:02.280 --> 03:20:06.600 I mean, I'm down to do whatever. Hopefully I'll be 3824 03:20:06.760 --> 03:20:12.200 back on Operation GCD to discuss another cult classic movie 3825 03:20:12.280 --> 03:20:12.920 in the future. 3826 03:20:13.719 --> 03:20:15.559 Oh for sure, we're gonna do that next month, and 3827 03:20:15.719 --> 03:20:18.040 I believe it's gonna be So. I married an axe 3828 03:20:18.120 --> 03:20:22.559 murder all right, all right, nice, all right, because he 3829 03:20:22.600 --> 03:20:24.399 got a lot of the proto hippie stuff with the 3830 03:20:24.440 --> 03:20:26.760 beat Nicks, you got a lot of some serial killer stuff, 3831 03:20:26.760 --> 03:20:28.360 et cetera. There's a lot going on there, a lot 3832 03:20:28.440 --> 03:20:28.639 going on. 3833 03:20:28.799 --> 03:20:29.639 Mm hmmm hm. 3834 03:20:31.040 --> 03:20:33.959 So if do you have anything you're working on before 3835 03:20:34.000 --> 03:20:35.479 I plug some of my stuff here when we close 3836 03:20:35.520 --> 03:20:38.479 this thing out for folks, again, great conversation will definitely 3837 03:20:38.479 --> 03:20:41.040 be jumping down the rabbit holes again in the future. 3838 03:20:41.079 --> 03:20:42.600 I appreciate your time, Julie. 3839 03:20:42.879 --> 03:20:46.079 I can't wait to be back on No Plug whatever. 3840 03:20:46.280 --> 03:20:49.079 I'm excited to hear about Robert the Doll. I'm looking 3841 03:20:49.159 --> 03:20:49.840 forward to that one. 3842 03:20:50.040 --> 03:20:51.879 Yeah, well he's kind of you know, I was supposed 3843 03:20:51.879 --> 03:20:54.799 to do this last Sunday, Robert the Doll struck in 3844 03:20:54.879 --> 03:20:58.879 the format of my dog getting through my startling satellite cable. 3845 03:20:58.879 --> 03:21:02.239 And then, uh, that trends continued as he decided he 3846 03:21:02.319 --> 03:21:05.360 wanted to trample me there, uh in this week here 3847 03:21:05.399 --> 03:21:07.799 and uh, we're we're on a walk and dude, just 3848 03:21:08.040 --> 03:21:09.799 you know, ran full speed in the back of my 3849 03:21:09.879 --> 03:21:12.479 knee and just you know, buckled me down and lit 3850 03:21:12.559 --> 03:21:14.639 up my spine injuries like a Christmas tree. But you know, 3851 03:21:14.680 --> 03:21:17.000 I'm managing. I'm just saying. I'm just saying these things 3852 03:21:17.079 --> 03:21:18.959 send to happen when I when I start talking about 3853 03:21:19.040 --> 03:21:21.639 Robert the Doll, because you know, my dogs not does 3854 03:21:21.799 --> 03:21:24.079 never normally done something like that, and he doesn't. You know, 3855 03:21:24.120 --> 03:21:25.879 he's chewed through a corp before, but it's you know, 3856 03:21:26.200 --> 03:21:28.120 he was doing some puppy business at that time, you 3857 03:21:28.159 --> 03:21:30.920 know what I mean. So who knows. But yeah, so 3858 03:21:31.040 --> 03:21:32.799 Robert the Doll come up this Sundy the Curse of 3859 03:21:32.879 --> 03:21:34.920 Robert the Doll. I'm, uh you know, I'm gonna go 3860 03:21:35.200 --> 03:21:38.440 kind of a deep dive into the history of Robert 3861 03:21:38.479 --> 03:21:41.639 the Doll, other folks curses relative to my experiences with 3862 03:21:41.719 --> 03:21:44.200 a curse, and uh you know that sort of thing. 3863 03:21:44.639 --> 03:21:47.600 But uh yeah, as you can tell, I immediately get 3864 03:21:47.639 --> 03:21:49.360 to I don't like talking about him again. And once 3865 03:21:49.399 --> 03:21:50.879 I start talking about him and playing a show, a 3866 03:21:50.920 --> 03:21:52.000 bunch of weird shit happens. 3867 03:21:52.040 --> 03:21:55.719 And your dog literally tries to Nicole Brown. 3868 03:21:57.399 --> 03:22:00.879 I'm gonna mark this dude. I'm gonna take him out. Yeah, no, 3869 03:22:01.040 --> 03:22:03.079 I just so that's my trink went up this this 3870 03:22:03.200 --> 03:22:06.159 Sunday at eight pm Operation GCD Sundays. That'll be a 3871 03:22:06.239 --> 03:22:08.040 link in the description of the show notes. I got 3872 03:22:08.440 --> 03:22:10.719 of your your links there as well, Julia, But uh, 3873 03:22:11.200 --> 03:22:12.920 I got that one coming up. And then I'm gonna 3874 03:22:13.000 --> 03:22:15.479 do doing I'm doing a lot of murder here. I'm 3875 03:22:15.479 --> 03:22:19.319 gonnaw my Sunday series because I'm doing uh Buffalo Jared 3876 03:22:19.399 --> 03:22:22.920 Revez the show the following Sunday and then the following 3877 03:22:23.000 --> 03:22:26.280 Sunday after that, I'm going to be getting into a 3878 03:22:26.360 --> 03:22:28.879 two part series on a fellow that I encountered in 3879 03:22:28.920 --> 03:22:34.799 Great Falls, Montana, a cannibalistic, uh kid diddling, uh psychopathic, 3880 03:22:34.879 --> 03:22:37.159 homicidal serial killer who may or may not have fed 3881 03:22:37.200 --> 03:22:39.920 me a human burger at Hardy's two thousand. 3882 03:22:40.959 --> 03:22:42.280 What the fuck is this? 3883 03:22:44.239 --> 03:22:46.639 His name's Nathaniel bar Jonah. I would later come face 3884 03:22:46.680 --> 03:22:48.479 to face with this man. He is pure evil. I 3885 03:22:48.520 --> 03:22:51.280 could see it in his eyes in the Cascade County jail. 3886 03:22:52.840 --> 03:22:53.040 Yeah. 3887 03:22:53.159 --> 03:22:55.239 So apparently he worked at Hardy's on the late night. 3888 03:22:55.239 --> 03:22:57.600 And that's the way somebody eat at Hardy's on Central 3889 03:22:57.600 --> 03:22:59.799 Avenue on the late night. And uh, especially when I 3890 03:22:59.840 --> 03:23:01.399 was unk, which was most of every day of the 3891 03:23:01.440 --> 03:23:03.680 week that I was off work, and and uh yeah 3892 03:23:03.760 --> 03:23:06.000 so and then I would later encounter this fella in 3893 03:23:06.159 --> 03:23:08.079 the Cascade County jail and I came out of eye 3894 03:23:08.079 --> 03:23:09.879 because I was mouthing off to the cops, and they're like, like, 3895 03:23:10.079 --> 03:23:11.959 we got a way to deal with you, buddy. I 3896 03:23:12.040 --> 03:23:14.280 got pulled her for DUI and I wouldn't do any tests, 3897 03:23:14.280 --> 03:23:15.879 and they were already upset with me about that. I'm like, 3898 03:23:15.920 --> 03:23:17.920 you guys can be but her take your test elsewhere. 3899 03:23:17.959 --> 03:23:20.319 I'm not doing it, Like, we'll lock you up next 3900 03:23:20.360 --> 03:23:23.319 to the fucking kid diddling, cannibalistic, psychopathic serial cut. I'm like, 3901 03:23:23.360 --> 03:23:25.520 and I then you know, of course I didn't keep 3902 03:23:25.520 --> 03:23:27.159 my mouth shut. I'm like, you guys are fucked up. Man, 3903 03:23:27.200 --> 03:23:28.120 I'm like, this is crazy. 3904 03:23:29.520 --> 03:23:31.520 Wait when is this coming out? 3905 03:23:31.920 --> 03:23:34.120 Oh, that's gonna be in three weeks now. Next Sunday 3906 03:23:34.200 --> 03:23:37.079 is gonna be uh the Legends of Buffalo Jared Visa, 3907 03:23:38.200 --> 03:23:42.040 which is uh, my former stalker and try he tried 3908 03:23:42.040 --> 03:23:43.760 to be my pr rep. And this is before he 3909 03:23:43.959 --> 03:23:46.920 went on a trance apocalypse multi state stabbing spree and 3910 03:23:47.040 --> 03:23:50.959 today alleged, allegedly sits today in the Bridgewater State Hospital 3911 03:23:51.000 --> 03:23:53.760 in Massachusetts, despite his court cases not being available on 3912 03:23:53.840 --> 03:23:57.680 the public dockets. So I don't have that the guy 3913 03:23:57.760 --> 03:24:00.559 he murdered. It's important that the guy he murdered hired 3914 03:24:00.639 --> 03:24:03.680 him as his pr rep. Just saying J. J. 3915 03:24:04.040 --> 03:24:07.879 Vance, not the vice president, but the Forrest Gump of 3916 03:24:07.959 --> 03:24:09.959 the conspiracy theory community. 3917 03:24:10.959 --> 03:24:13.680 That uh that, ma'am. I will accept that. Uh, that 3918 03:24:14.120 --> 03:24:19.920 their title and we're proud of So this is the homicidal, cannibalistic, psychopathic, 3919 03:24:20.000 --> 03:24:22.719 kid diddling serial killer in Great Falls, Montana. That may 3920 03:24:22.760 --> 03:24:24.479 or may not have sent me human fed me human 3921 03:24:24.520 --> 03:24:25.959 burgers at Hardy's in the late night. 3922 03:24:26.040 --> 03:24:28.600 Serious, you look at that double chin. That is the 3923 03:24:28.719 --> 03:24:31.559 double chin as somebody who eats human burgers. 3924 03:24:32.040 --> 03:24:36.399 Oh, big time, big time that waddle. He also apparently 3925 03:24:36.440 --> 03:24:38.399 fed him up at a local church barbecue. So I'm 3926 03:24:38.440 --> 03:24:43.479 steing I got back from Saudi Arabia. I'll close on 3927 03:24:43.520 --> 03:24:45.959 this one. I'll close you out on this one for you. 3928 03:24:46.079 --> 03:24:48.479 So I get back from Saudi Arabia. So so I 3929 03:24:48.559 --> 03:24:51.600 married an axe murder Michael Myers character film, his mother 3930 03:24:52.000 --> 03:24:53.840 learns of a serial killer. You know that he ends 3931 03:24:53.879 --> 03:24:57.200 up marrying from the Weekly World News, as she calls it, 3932 03:24:57.319 --> 03:25:01.120 the paper. I'm standing in a grocery store in Great Falls, Montana, 3933 03:25:01.159 --> 03:25:03.319 about five years after that film there, So four years, 3934 03:25:03.879 --> 03:25:06.120 you're two thousand and one. He was five years or 3935 03:25:06.120 --> 03:25:08.879 so called June of two thousand and one. I just 3936 03:25:08.959 --> 03:25:11.200 got back from a four month deployment to Saudi Arabia 3937 03:25:11.280 --> 03:25:14.239 in the Air Force, standing in the grocertore line. There's 3938 03:25:14.280 --> 03:25:18.200 the tabloids and it says Montana man murders child. I 3939 03:25:18.639 --> 03:25:21.440 literally just got home the day before Montana man murders 3940 03:25:21.520 --> 03:25:24.520 child and feeds him up at church barbecue. I'm like, no, 3941 03:25:24.959 --> 03:25:27.440 come on, I'm in Montana. I opened it up and 3942 03:25:27.520 --> 03:25:31.079 the tagline of the article says great Falls. I'm like, fuck, Like, yeah, 3943 03:25:31.159 --> 03:25:32.760 fuck you, I'm in Great Falls, you know, like I'm 3944 03:25:32.879 --> 03:25:35.280 going ship. I'm the public too, you know. And I 3945 03:25:35.399 --> 03:25:37.319 go on to read it and yeah, this dude, Nathaniel 3946 03:25:37.319 --> 03:25:40.120 bar Jonah killing folks kid diddling. He was a gender 3947 03:25:40.200 --> 03:25:43.040 at school. He was already a kid diddler in Massachusetts, 3948 03:25:43.159 --> 03:25:45.559 changed his name somehow, got a job at an elementary school. 3949 03:25:45.600 --> 03:25:47.120 You know, there's a lot, a lot to be said 3950 03:25:47.159 --> 03:25:49.120 there A that'll be a fun tale. 3951 03:25:51.840 --> 03:25:53.920 JJ, what the fuck? 3952 03:25:57.559 --> 03:26:00.520 So I definitely recommend folks check that out, checkout to 3953 03:26:00.799 --> 03:26:04.079 pieces podcasts and some of our collaborations on the Occult Rejects, 3954 03:26:04.719 --> 03:26:07.000 and any last statements before we before we call it 3955 03:26:07.200 --> 03:26:07.559 call her in. 3956 03:26:07.639 --> 03:26:14.200 Here, JJ Vance Now the vice president has eaten actual ass. 3957 03:26:14.799 --> 03:26:17.879 Thank you so much for having me. I can't wait 3958 03:26:18.000 --> 03:26:19.239 to come back in the future. 3959 03:26:20.000 --> 03:26:22.719 And no, thank you, I appreciate it. We'll definitely definitely 3960 03:26:22.719 --> 03:26:24.440 be back here in the future as a guest for sure, Julie, 3961 03:26:24.479 --> 03:26:27.159 appreciate your time and conversation and don't vote for me 3962 03:26:27.360 --> 03:26:28.239 in twenty twenty eight