Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks very much, Dan Watkins. As we move
Speaker 2: into the ten o'clock hour, we have a guest who
Speaker 2: have I talked with before and I'm really looking forward
Speaker 2: to talking with him again. My guest tonight is lou
Speaker 2: Ferrante Lewis. Welcome back to Night's Side. How are you hi?
Speaker 3: I'm bored. Good Dan, I hope you're will too and
Speaker 3: happy new yet are you? And your listeners?
Speaker 2: Right back at you, my friend. Now, you have written,
Speaker 2: First of all, you've written a trilogy of books, or
Speaker 2: you're writing a trilogy of books. And this book that
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about tonight is the second part
Speaker 2: of the trilogy. Correct, that's correct, okay. And it is
Speaker 2: about the time frame of nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: That's also right, Yeah, about nineteen eighty I cut it
Speaker 3: at and it'll pick up nineteen eighty for the third
Speaker 3: volume to eighty about twenty ath period.
Speaker 2: Okay, sixty to eighty. Okay. Now, let's re establish you
Speaker 2: and your your position and your expertise and your inside knowledge.
Speaker 2: You remember you remember the Gambino crime family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was actually an associate who was
Speaker 3: about to become an initiated member when I went to
Speaker 3: prison and faced life in prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So so you did not go through the ceremony,
Speaker 2: but you were on the cusp of it. And I
Speaker 2: think that you told me that you got arrested. If
Speaker 2: I recall in San Francisco, you had you had a
Speaker 2: a an activity in San Francisco that that got interrupted
Speaker 2: by the authorities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that was one of the counts on the indictment.
Speaker 3: It was it was a Hobbs Act, which is like
Speaker 3: a WEEKO indictment.
Speaker 2: You're very familiar with the Hobbs Act.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of politicians who get hooked at the
Speaker 2: Hobbs Act, and a lot of cops would get hooked
Speaker 2: on the Hobbs Act because they're right, they're functioning under
Speaker 2: the color of the badge or the color of their title.
Speaker 2: How did you get hooked on the Hobbs Act? How
Speaker 2: did that? How did that work in your case?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I guess it was probably based on interstate commerce and
Speaker 3: it was a racketeering conspiracy because there was a number
Speaker 3: of four defendants on the indictment with me, it was
Speaker 3: a Rico case. And and one of the overt acts
Speaker 3: in the Rico case was we we flew out the
Speaker 3: samp We did a lot of heights and hijackings at
Speaker 3: the time, and at one point we flew out to
Speaker 3: San Francisco. We had a tip on a Loomis armored
Speaker 3: car and uh, you know, we shipped our guns and
Speaker 3: and uh all the accouterments I should say for the
Speaker 3: best way to say it, for for an armored paw
Speaker 3: heist in Uh, back then, we shipped it just ups.
Speaker 3: It was the pre nine to eleven days. We just
Speaker 3: put it in the box, shipped the ups to where
Speaker 3: we were going, and then flew down there under bogey names.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: When we got down there the day before we were
Speaker 3: going to hit the armored car, the fed swarm the
Speaker 3: hotel where we were staying and brought us in. So
Speaker 3: that was the conspiracy to knock off that armored car
Speaker 3: was one of the over at acts in the indictment.
Speaker 3: But there were a number of pisces and hijackings other ones.
Speaker 2: The people, the people who whacked Roger Wheeler out of Boston,
Speaker 2: they did the same thing. They shipped everything down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: pulled over in Tennessee or somewhere by by the local
Speaker 2: police and have us right some munitions or weapons in
Speaker 2: your vehicle. So did you know when when that happened,
Speaker 2: that your life had changed dramatically.
Speaker 3: No, I was still mobbed up in my mind. So
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I said, I'm never gonna rat. However
Speaker 3: long I have to do, I'll do. I faced the
Speaker 3: rest of my life in prison. I was eventually indicted
Speaker 3: three different times, once by the FBI, another time by
Speaker 3: the Secret Service, and another time by the Nassau County
Speaker 3: Organized Crime Task Force, which New York sort of like
Speaker 3: state slash mob a slate state slash federal task force
Speaker 3: looking into mob activities. So we were indicted, me and
Speaker 3: my co defend into a number of times.
Speaker 2: Me to double jeopard kind of gets a pass when
Speaker 2: we're talking about going after the mob. By the way, you.
Speaker 3: Know it, Yes, the hotel double jeopardy argument's ridiculous, I
Speaker 3: asked the judge. I said, I was in state court
Speaker 3: once and I says, I'm charged with this very crime
Speaker 3: in my federal indictment. And he said, who cares? He
Speaker 3: doesn't care. They don't they and the judge, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: even the whole I have to tell you, and I'm
Speaker 3: a law abiding citizen. Now I'm pro law enforcement. The
Speaker 3: guys go out there, they work hard, most of them.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of dirty cops out there, but for
Speaker 3: the most part, ninety nine point nine percent of the
Speaker 3: people out there, men and women, are doing their best
Speaker 3: to do as good as they possibly can. So I
Speaker 3: want to make that clear to your listeners. But having
Speaker 3: said that, yeah, having said that, though the Rico law
Speaker 3: is the spin pable where you could be tried for
Speaker 3: something in the state, beat it, and then they could
Speaker 3: just bring it in on a larger indictment in the Feds,
Speaker 3: and we try you again. And it's happened to a
Speaker 3: number of friends of mine who will never get out
Speaker 3: of jail. And that's they did away with double jeopardy.
Speaker 3: And part of the part of volume two in my
Speaker 3: book is I talk extensively about Bobby Kennedy and the
Speaker 3: Kennedy administration and Bobby's uh, Bobby's time as as Attorney General.
Speaker 3: And I mean he did away with the Fifth Amendment
Speaker 3: by creating uh, uh you know where where if you
Speaker 3: take the fifth you could be given immunity and then
Speaker 3: you have to testify or you say eighteen months for
Speaker 3: a contempt charge. Bobby is the one who legislatively passed
Speaker 3: that and got that pushed through Congress. And uh. And
Speaker 3: because he was fed up with people during the Rackets Committee,
Speaker 3: the McClellan's known as the Rackets Committee, the McClellan committee
Speaker 3: before before he was ag he was fed up with
Speaker 3: people taking the fifth and he says, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't believe in it anymore. I don't want to see
Speaker 3: that happen. They're guilty of something. So he really did
Speaker 3: away with a lot of our I think our you know,
Speaker 3: safeguards what you call.
Speaker 2: Bedrock and constitutional provisions.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, and a lot of times sixth
Speaker 3: Amendment right to council. When he was chasing Jimmy Haffer
Speaker 3: and I go through this extensively once again in Borgoda
Speaker 3: Class of Titans, which is volume two of the book
Speaker 3: the trilogy. When he was chasing half a he went
Speaker 3: after half as lawyers, and which is you know, going
Speaker 3: after He's he's going after a sixth Amendment right to counsel.
Speaker 3: And he said, anybody who defends him or his teamsters
Speaker 3: is a who And I don't care they they shouldn't
Speaker 3: be defending him, and he would try to lock up
Speaker 3: the attorneys. So you know, it was a lot of
Speaker 3: from I mean the Kennedy's. Who knows about the Kennedy's
Speaker 3: more than you and your listeners. They're from up there.
Speaker 3: But but you know what I mean. Look, this is
Speaker 3: I go deep into it in the book, and I
Speaker 3: feel it was. It was a big cause of the
Speaker 3: assassination and I get I put all them moving pieces
Speaker 3: together and moving parts.
Speaker 2: That's what we want to talk about in part tonight.
Speaker 2: Low And Uh, I think you've You've set the table
Speaker 2: very nicely here.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Loufer Ante is my guest. He's been on the program before.
Speaker 2: He's written a trilogy of books. Uh, well, he's in
Speaker 2: the process of writing a trilogy of books. We talked
Speaker 2: about the first book, and now we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about his second volume, which is The American Mafia Versus
Speaker 2: America's Political Elite and this Uh, you know, I haven't
Speaker 2: read this second book, but I know of what you speak.
Speaker 2: It's funny. There's the Rico statute. I chased a an
Speaker 2: FBI agent up here for many many years. H Paul Rico.
Speaker 2: His last name was r I c O. He was
Speaker 2: not Italian, by the way, he was a Spaniard. Uh.
Speaker 2: And he was probably one of the most corrupt FBI
Speaker 2: agents in the in the long historied history of corrupt
Speaker 2: FBI agents. Uh here here in Boston. And I used
Speaker 2: to chase him with cameras in Washington and uh and
Speaker 2: in Boston. Uh uh And this this is a guy
Speaker 2: he set up them. He was the guy that set
Speaker 2: up the murder of Roger Wheeler, the country club down
Speaker 2: in Tulsa, Oklahoma, who owned World High Lie in Miami.
Speaker 2: And Wheeler was the guy who basically got the boys
Speaker 2: from Boston to go down a guy named Joe McDonald
Speaker 2: and the second guy, uh named Maderano to go down
Speaker 2: and uh and basically put that yeah, other pathway to heaven.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's an unbelievable story. And and
Speaker 2: Rico eventually there was a heroic police officer out of Tulsa,
Speaker 2: guy named Mike Huff cost him his marriage. I mean,
Speaker 2: but he was the guy who the Florida State Police
Speaker 2: gave him the honor of actually putting his cuffs on
Speaker 2: Rico when he was arrested. Uh. And the night the
Speaker 2: day that of the morning he was arrested. His wife
Speaker 2: is there and she says, Paul, why don't you put
Speaker 2: your world high highlight jacket on UH and what you
Speaker 2: want to dinner? Well, well, never never got home for
Speaker 2: dinner and no, yeah wow jacket.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Dan, are you are you familiar with the UH,
Speaker 3: the the Linley DeVecchio Gregory Scalfa case from New York,
Speaker 3: because it's as close as that, and you also had
Speaker 3: obviously Whitey Bull Drup there, but it's as close to that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that situation is as you can imagine.
Speaker 2: I think that Hoover. I think Hoover was running the
Speaker 2: same operation that he ran here in Boston that he authorized.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say he ran it, he authorized in other
Speaker 2: major American cities, and obviously would New York at the
Speaker 2: top of that list. My guest, we're gonna get right
Speaker 2: to the meat of the matter, and if you have
Speaker 2: any question, any question, feel free to get on board.
Speaker 2: Lou's going to stay with us until eleven o'clock and
Speaker 2: not a minute later. Six one, seven thirty, six one seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. He's a great guest before, would be a
Speaker 2: great guest tonight. Coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: With me is Lou Ferrante. Their author of The Mafia
Speaker 2: Versus America's Political Elite nineteen sixteen and nineteen eighty Boo
Speaker 2: is the is the core of the story America's political elite.
Speaker 2: The Kennedy family is.
Speaker 3: Well that yeah, that's yeah, it's actually part of it.
Speaker 3: So it's the second volume is actually titled Bolgada Clash
Speaker 3: of Titans, and probably the largest aspect is the Kennedy
Speaker 3: administration versus the Mafia, uh with with Bobby Kennedy obviously
Speaker 3: at the forefront of that spearheading the charge. But there's
Speaker 3: also I go deep. I take a deep dive into
Speaker 3: what happened to Jimmy Hoffer, why he died. I also
Speaker 3: get into why Joe Colombo, who was he was killed
Speaker 3: in Columbus Circle in Manhattan during a Unity Day rally
Speaker 3: for his new Italian Americans. Yeah, Italian American Civil Rights League.
Speaker 3: I did a deep dive into that, and once again
Speaker 3: I urge your listeners to read the book because I
Speaker 3: put together all the pieces. I don't think anybody's ever
Speaker 3: done this before. I've read hundreds of books on the subject.
Speaker 3: I'm well sowced. If you look at the back of
Speaker 3: my book, you'll see all the source notes. And I really, really,
Speaker 3: I believe, wholeheartedly I'm the first person to ever put
Speaker 3: the pieces together with the mobs connection to the government,
Speaker 3: with them as far as the assassination of JFK, why
Speaker 3: they did it, and get his closest to who the
Speaker 3: main players were, the central figures as possible. Also with
Speaker 3: the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa, I don't think anybody's ever
Speaker 3: explained why he died, the reasons behind it, and who
Speaker 3: the main conspirators were up until now as well as
Speaker 3: I have. And I say this, you know, obviously refreshingably
Speaker 3: free of false modesty, right, But I do believe that,
Speaker 3: and I urge you listens to pick up the book
Speaker 3: and take a look at it. Also with Joe Colombo
Speaker 3: saying thing no one understood why he was killed, and
Speaker 3: you mentioned Hoover, and I do believe had had something
Speaker 3: to do with the government, I'll give you a little
Speaker 3: spoiler alert on that one. Yeah, I mean, I do
Speaker 3: believe that the Colombo assassination as soon as the person
Speaker 3: fired the gun at Colombo. That person was murdered on
Speaker 3: the spot, and there was all kinds of conflicting testimony.
Speaker 3: People thought that a cop had shot him, someone dressed
Speaker 3: as an officer had shot him, but the cops swore
Speaker 3: that they didn't shoot him. Then they tried to blame
Speaker 3: it on a Colombo guy who was It was impossible
Speaker 3: for him to have done it. He wasn't even close
Speaker 3: to the scene. And then I get it to the
Speaker 3: heart of it, and I found some incredible adeprint books
Speaker 3: and one of them was written by an ex FBI agent,
Speaker 3: and he wrote a book about how the Gambino family
Speaker 3: was very connected to the CIA at the time and
Speaker 3: they would never dealt with the clowns when they could
Speaker 3: go to the circus leader, and he felt that they
Speaker 3: dealt directly with Carlo Gambino, and Carlo Gambino had every
Speaker 3: reason to kill Joe Colombo at the time. And I
Speaker 3: tell the story very well. I urge again your listeners
Speaker 3: to read the book. And it also to the CIA slash.
Speaker 3: FBI may have wanted Colombo dead at the time because
Speaker 3: he started the Italian American Civil Rights League and it
Speaker 3: was just another thorn in their side. They were already
Speaker 3: dealing with Jewish and African American civil rights leagues. Puerto
Speaker 3: Ricans were starting to become activists. They didn't want another one.
Speaker 3: And there was a lot of talk about Colombo just
Speaker 3: you know, going away, and they put tremendous amount of
Speaker 3: heat on him and as well as the other four
Speaker 3: families in New York. And then something at some point
Speaker 3: had to be done, and he gets clipped. But anyway,
Speaker 3: I put all the moving parts together, and I wanted
Speaker 3: the reader to understand it as best as they possibly
Speaker 3: can after all these decades have gone by, and I
Speaker 3: had somebody. I talked to somebody who's read just about
Speaker 3: every JFK book that's ever come out over the last
Speaker 3: thirty forty years, and he told me, he says, Lou,
Speaker 3: I've never read anything like this. He says, the way
Speaker 3: you put the pieces together, He said, I finally had
Speaker 3: it all in front of me. You know, you really
Speaker 3: really created like what I would consider this was his
Speaker 3: words an indictment.
Speaker 2: Okay, let meast a couple of questions. I don't want
Speaker 2: you to give it all away, but okay, what role
Speaker 2: does Jack Ruby playing this?
Speaker 3: He plays the role that we all know him to play,
Speaker 3: which was getting rid of silencing Oswald. And what's interesting
Speaker 3: is jay Ed Gohova, contrary to his public stance on
Speaker 3: the matter, he made a comment right away, this is
Speaker 3: this is a mob hit. He's obviously silencing somebody. He
Speaker 3: knew right away. Hoover as soon as he was shot.
Speaker 3: Other people knew as well. And Ruby goes deep into
Speaker 3: his mob connections. He was very heavily connected with Santo
Speaker 3: Traffic Conting in Florida, very heavily connected with Carlos Marcelo
Speaker 3: in Louisiana, and both of those mob bosses who I
Speaker 3: referred to as the Gulf Coast mob bosses. Uh, their
Speaker 3: their their empires, their their fiefdoms being on in the
Speaker 3: Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana, and Florida. Those two dons were
Speaker 3: the only dons when Sinatra had Joseph Kennedy Senior and
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra Sinatra being his liaison to the mob, but
Speaker 3: Joe Kennedy had connections as well. They sort of wooed
Speaker 3: the mob into believing that if they helped Kennedy into office,
Speaker 3: they'd have an easy ride with him in office. They
Speaker 3: were the Kennedy's were going to focus on civil rights
Speaker 3: for African Americans. They were going to focus on bringing
Speaker 3: the slowing down the nuclear arms race during the Cold War, UH,
Speaker 3: trying to keep the Soviets behind the Iron Curtain. They
Speaker 3: were going to move on from the Mob.
Speaker 2: So they essentially convinced the Mob that the administer Kennedy
Speaker 2: administration would have bigger fish to fry.
Speaker 3: They did. They convinced all of the bosses except Carlos
Speaker 3: must and Santo Trafficante, who originally backed Lyndon Johnson during
Speaker 3: the Democratic primary and then when Johnson lost to Kennedy
Speaker 3: and became his VP, then they backed Nixon during the
Speaker 3: general election because those two Mob bosses, Marcello and Trafficante
Speaker 3: did not trust that the Kennedys would keep their word.
Speaker 3: So those are the two main players in the Mob
Speaker 3: when this has to get done. And UH and Jack
Speaker 3: Ruby was heavily connected to both of them, and and
Speaker 3: it's all laid out. All my evidence is, Saud, I
Speaker 3: don't just shoot from the hip and say, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: this is what I think because I went to sleep
Speaker 3: last night and I had a Gin and Tonic and
Speaker 3: this is what hit me. It's all lost. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's all, it's all heavily sauced, and I just I
Speaker 3: put the pieces together.
Speaker 2: Was it the the girlfriend Judith Exner?
Speaker 3: She I mean she was Johnny Rosselli's sort of Johnny
Speaker 3: Roselli brought her into the mix. Judith Exner slash Judith Campbell. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Johnny Roselli met her in Hollywood, introduced to the Sinatra Sinatra.
Speaker 3: Apparently Rosselli had played around with her. Sinatra had played
Speaker 3: around with her. Sam g and Connor had played around
Speaker 3: with her. So she kind of got around. And at
Speaker 3: some point or another she's dating Jack Kennedy and she
Speaker 3: becomes sort of like a courier during the Democratic primary
Speaker 3: when the mob is shuffling money to Kennedy. Now a
Speaker 3: lot of people who try to attack her and say, well,
Speaker 3: it's not true. What is true. What we do know
Speaker 3: is Jed Hoover had seventy or eighty phone calls back
Speaker 3: and forth to the White House between her and Jack Kennedy,
Speaker 3: and they eventually approached President Kennedy about it, and Bobby
Speaker 3: and said this has to stop. She's heavily connected with
Speaker 3: the mobsters and he's worn around with her, and this
Speaker 3: is gonna blow up in your face, and basically Hoover
Speaker 3: was kind of That's how Hoover used to blackmail people.
Speaker 3: You know, he said, well, you know, this came across
Speaker 3: my desk and I just wanted you to know it's
Speaker 3: safe with me, you know. But that was his way
Speaker 3: of telling your wink wink, be careful what you do.
Speaker 3: So that was what he did. Yeah, that's what he
Speaker 3: did to Jack and Bobby and uh so, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: it's it's obvious.
Speaker 2: You don't think I'm assuming that Hoover had anything to
Speaker 2: do with the hit on on on Jack Kennedy.
Speaker 3: You know, I couldn't. I couldn't prove that. But I
Speaker 3: tell you what I can prove. I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: say that he did because I won't. I won't talk
Speaker 3: out of you know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think no, no, but I will. I'm interested in
Speaker 2: what your thought on it is. Because I don't think
Speaker 2: I'll tell.
Speaker 3: You what he did. Then well I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: he did do. So, I mean, there is culpability there,
Speaker 3: but not necessarily you know, an active conspirat up. But
Speaker 3: I will, I'll tell you where the culpability lies. So
Speaker 3: Hoover is Hoover is having a war with Bobby. When
Speaker 3: Bobby becomes a GI. Hoover has had always gone directly
Speaker 3: to the president for decades since he was since he
Speaker 3: was appointed the head of the FBI, and he always never, never,
Speaker 3: he never went through the Attorney General.
Speaker 2: Never, his standard operating procedure, right to the.
Speaker 3: Bar correct always, And then Bobby gets in and he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, his first teeth came in when
Speaker 3: Hoover was appointed head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Speaker 3: And Bobby says, you're gonna have to go through me,
Speaker 3: fan now on, I'm your boss, and he starts really really,
Speaker 3: you know, he's abusing him. And I go through that
Speaker 3: in the book as well. I mean, he puts a
Speaker 3: buzzer on his desk and he says, anytime I buzz you,
Speaker 3: I want you to come running to my office. And basically,
Speaker 3: you know, Hoover's huffing and puffing up and down the
Speaker 3: corridors in the Justice Department, constantly getting buzzed by Bobby,
Speaker 3: to the point where one day Bobby says he had
Speaker 3: a visitor in his office and he says, you want
Speaker 3: to see me get Hoover over here, just for kicks.
Speaker 3: And he says sure, and he buzzed them, and you know,
Speaker 3: like Hoover was fuming. So now Hoover hates Bobby. And
Speaker 3: Bobby keeps telling Hoover, go after the mob, Go after
Speaker 3: the mob, go after the mob. And Hoover knows that
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do a deep dive into the
Speaker 3: mob because he knows they're all connected to may as, governors, congressman,
Speaker 3: senate is where's he gonna go with this? You know,
Speaker 3: even do you want me to look into your father
Speaker 3: Joe Kennedy Senior during bootlegging? How about his Hollywood company,
Speaker 3: how he kept labor relations going through the mob? You
Speaker 3: don't want me to do this. So Hoover thought he
Speaker 3: was nuts. But Bobby kept punching away at Hoover, saying,
Speaker 3: you can't keep chasing communists. You got to go after
Speaker 3: the mob. So Hoover hates them. At some point or another,
Speaker 3: the Kennedy's make the decision that they're going to retire
Speaker 3: Hoover during Kennedy's second term. If Kennedy wins a second term,
Speaker 3: Hoover's out the door. And that was like, that was
Speaker 3: like killing him, Hoover. And then one better, one better, today,
Speaker 3: we don't care who was a homosexual today, but been
Speaker 3: during the nineteen sixties. Homosexuality was something that it was
Speaker 3: unacceptable in society. And he was dead set on smearing
Speaker 3: Hoover as a homosexual. And he even had people look
Speaker 3: into his background and it got back to Hoover. So
Speaker 3: Hoover hates Bobby, hates Jack. And now all of these
Speaker 3: death threats coming from the mob. Hoover's got these listening devices,
Speaker 3: illegal listening devices planted in mob hanging out throughout the country.
Speaker 3: They were called black bag jobs. And agents would go
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, plant a bug in
Speaker 3: a social club and Wove's listening to it. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: Hoover's listening to all this, and all these death threats
Speaker 3: from the mob start to pass Hoover's desk. And what
Speaker 3: is Hoover doing about them? Nothing. He's supposed to at
Speaker 3: least inform the Secret Service, at least inform the Attorney General.
Speaker 3: Maybe take a trip to Kennedy's office, as he did
Speaker 3: with Judas Xner Judas slash Campbell when he found out
Speaker 3: he had no problem running over, running, running up Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: Avenue over to the White House and telling Jack Hey
Speaker 3: I know about this. You know this girl who's you know,
Speaker 3: calling you left and right, and she's pooling around with
Speaker 3: mobs this. But all of a sudden, all these threats
Speaker 3: are passing his desk and he's doing nothing about him.
Speaker 3: And at one point or another, Uh, there's a guy
Speaker 3: who reports to the FBI that Santo Trafficante said Kennedy's
Speaker 3: buying it when he comes to down South in November.
Speaker 3: And that guy happened to be an FBI informant. He
Speaker 3: ran to his his handlers and told him that passed
Speaker 3: who his deak Hoover did nothing about it. Now, if
Speaker 3: you were about to be fired from the job of
Speaker 3: your life that you've been there for decades and Smith
Speaker 3: is a homosexual, which once again was unacceptable in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties America. I mean, what are you going to do
Speaker 3: about these threats? And maybe hope that they materry a line?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I mean, just imagine if you.
Speaker 2: Have to put that Liwin in context. I remember, I
Speaker 2: think it was sometime in the mid nineteen sixties. They
Speaker 2: they ran some sort of a poll in which they
Speaker 2: they went to you know, American people, and they said
Speaker 2: it has been disclosed today that President Johnson is a
Speaker 2: practicing heterosexual. Do you believe that, like, I don't know
Speaker 2: sixty five percent of people, No, not possible, No, not
Speaker 2: possible even know the difference, you know. Again, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: they heard that word sexual. Oh no, not resident.
Speaker 3: So that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: People, well that's a true story. People who who lived
Speaker 2: at the time, you know. And I was around that time.
Speaker 2: He didn't realize that that was concerned, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean really uh. And of course you know, Hoover was
Speaker 2: was I always used to say about Hoover that the
Speaker 2: the only question as to Hoover and his his assistant director, uh.
Speaker 3: Clyde Cidelson clid.
Speaker 2: Tilson, was who was going to wear the taff of
Speaker 2: the gown on Saturday night.
Speaker 3: That's exactly That's what they say that that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And so Bobby was actually caught, he would call him,
Speaker 3: he would call him behind his back jay Edna instead
Speaker 3: of Jay Edgar. Uh yeah, and he yeah, and he
Speaker 3: would call Clyde Tolson missus, uh, missus j Ed Hoover.
Speaker 3: So I mean, you know, Bobby, and that was coming
Speaker 3: back to Hoover too, yeah, you know, And and yeah, so,
Speaker 3: I mean Hoover was so once again, I mean the
Speaker 3: culpability an active conspirator. No, but can you consider him
Speaker 3: having quite a bit of culpability, as you know, failing
Speaker 3: to report or do anything about the threats that were
Speaker 3: coming past his desk that he knew what were real, active,
Speaker 3: serious threats. Then it's that's a different story, you know,
Speaker 3: And then that that goes into the cover up to.
Speaker 2: My guest is lou Ferrante. Have you seen the DiCaprio
Speaker 2: movie in which he plays Hoover.
Speaker 3: I did not watch it, only because I am so
Speaker 3: I've read probably about thirty books on jay at Khoova
Speaker 3: for the research for this book, and I just felt like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if Scorsese or DiCaprio were going to
Speaker 3: get what I got out of it. I think that
Speaker 3: they were going to betray him as a you know,
Speaker 3: sort of like an American icon, and I did not
Speaker 3: get that.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think I watched it on
Speaker 2: a plane coming back or going to Italy last summer
Speaker 2: to get which one. But it was. I thought it
Speaker 2: was done pretty well. To be honest with you, I'll.
Speaker 3: Watch it then I'll catch up. I got something to
Speaker 3: watch now. It's great.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, we're gonna take a quick break if you
Speaker 2: want to join the conversation. The only I got one
Speaker 2: line open at six one seven two five four ten thirty.
Speaker 2: You're going to try to get everybody in. I promise,
Speaker 2: Steve Paul Brian you'll be the first up six one
Speaker 2: seven two five four ten thirty. The book is now available, right.
Speaker 3: It is Borgotta Clash of Titans, the second volume of
Speaker 3: the Borgota trilogy. Uh, and read.
Speaker 2: Each of the books are the same title.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the Borgatta trilogy, so then each one is Borgatta.
Speaker 3: The first one is Borgatta Rise of Empire, the second
Speaker 3: one is Borgotta Clash of Titans, and the final one,
Speaker 3: which is written already but yet to be released, as
Speaker 3: Autumn of Empire.
Speaker 2: One Ottoman Empire like.
Speaker 3: An Autumn of Empire. I'm sorry, that's my Bottom of Empire.
Speaker 2: Okay, gotch you okay, no problem, all right. Uh we'll
Speaker 2: get to phone calls, I promise, right after the news break.
Speaker 2: Here at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan y w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: I guess there's Lewis ferranting. Here's a how many years.
Speaker 2: A you do in prison?
Speaker 3: I did eight and a half years.
Speaker 2: Eight and a half years. His expertise was trucks, tractor
Speaker 2: trailer trucks. Uh, money, money, running money, trucks and finally
Speaker 2: get caught paid his debt. I think he got some
Speaker 2: religion in in prison too, if I'm not mistaken, Is
Speaker 2: that correct?
Speaker 3: I did? I I came around to the to a
Speaker 3: strong belief that there is a higher power. I felt
Speaker 3: like I was being punished for something. I felt like
Speaker 3: a higher power was leading me. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: guess through you know, the Nigron furnace, I guess you know.
Speaker 3: I mean I had to, I had to be dragged through. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I felt like, yeah, I mean, look, we I
Speaker 3: believe heavily in in Uh. The world is round, and
Speaker 3: we do create calma as we go through it. And
Speaker 3: I had I had created a lot of calma over
Speaker 3: the years, bad comma, and I felt like I was
Speaker 3: paying for it. And I swore I would create good
Speaker 3: karma from then on, y and uh, and hopefully the
Speaker 3: world would would repay me in kind and uh, and
Speaker 3: I have done that, and I feel it has been
Speaker 3: been repaying me. So I thank God for that.
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna play Yeah, what a funny story
Speaker 2: about Roger Wheeler. When we went after Wheeler and UH
Speaker 2: and the FBI here, eventually they were hearings in Washington.
Speaker 2: Do you see the House government oversych for three years
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, two thousand and two, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three. And this was before Wheeler had been arrested,
Speaker 2: UH for the murder of Roger Wheeler. UH, before Rico
Speaker 2: had been arrested for the murder of Roger Wheeler. And
Speaker 2: so at that point, you know, he was he was
Speaker 2: on in years UH and had done all of his
Speaker 2: dirty work. And so one day, you know, during the break,
Speaker 2: he's was kind of shuffling to the men's room, and
Speaker 2: all the report orders, who really didn't quite understand the
Speaker 2: story as well as I had, because I had gone
Speaker 2: after him for ten years, were following him to the
Speaker 2: men's room, and I on one side of him, and
Speaker 2: another reporters on the other side, and the other reporters
Speaker 2: peppering him with questions, and the other reporter said, did
Speaker 2: you have anything to do with the murder of David Wheeler. Now,
Speaker 2: David Wheeler was not murdered. He was the son of
Speaker 2: Roger Wheeler, but the reporter, the other reporter got the
Speaker 2: names mixed up. Wheeler, not without missing a beat, turns
Speaker 2: and looks at me and gives me this look like,
Speaker 2: what the hell is he talking about? This weird relationship
Speaker 2: with this guy where I didn't like him. I didn't
Speaker 2: like him, but at that moment, he at least was
Speaker 2: saying to me, well, you at least know the story,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: Right right right, There was that moment of like you
Speaker 3: do it connected for that second.
Speaker 2: For that split second, that yeah, anyway, I thought you'd
Speaker 2: appreciate one of us. Let me go to Steve and Gambridge.
Speaker 2: Steve first up this hour with my guest, Lou Ferrante.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Steve.
Speaker 4: Hi Dai Hi, Lou, Lou. I read the book that
Speaker 4: the movie The Irish Mineral is made from, and I
Speaker 4: think that was also of Corsese, who made the movie.
Speaker 4: And the book says that the Robert de Niro character
Speaker 4: killed Crazy Joe Gallo and Jimmy Hoffer and knew about
Speaker 4: the conspiracy to kill JFK. What do you know about
Speaker 4: that story?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I cover it. I cover that in the half
Speaker 3: a section of the second volume of my book right now,
Speaker 3: bore got a class of Titan. I talk about it
Speaker 3: because I couldn't. It's it's something you can't overlook because
Speaker 3: of the hype, because Netflix dumped two hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: into making the movie about it. But I will tell
Speaker 3: you right now, I was dear friends with Little Vicarina,
Speaker 3: who was the boss of the Columbo family. I'm still
Speaker 3: close friends, very close, dear friends with Little Victorina Jr.
Speaker 3: Who was a happened in the Colombo family. Little Viccinia
Speaker 3: is away doing life. They ran the Columbo family, so
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people in that family. And
Speaker 3: that is the family that killed Joe Gallo, and it
Speaker 3: was Sonny Pinto. Sonny Pinto is the one who went
Speaker 3: into Umbardo's and he whacked out Joe Gallo. I don't
Speaker 3: know why the guy said, I read The Irishman. I
Speaker 3: read I Heard You Paying Houses, which is the Irishman
Speaker 3: was based on. And I thought that there were a
Speaker 3: lot of things that he said that rang true from
Speaker 3: my research and what I've heard. And I felt that
Speaker 3: he was in the know to some extent because he
Speaker 3: was close to Russell Buffalino, who was also involved to
Speaker 3: some extent in the conspiracy. He was close with the
Speaker 3: guys from the Geneva's family. He was close with guys
Speaker 3: from the Detroit Mob. Buffalino was. So this guy was
Speaker 3: sort of in the know this sharing. So he did
Speaker 3: throw a little few facts around that made sense. But
Speaker 3: there's no way. When I read that he claimed he
Speaker 3: clipped Joey Gallo, I said, why is this guy Lyon?
Speaker 3: And now I have to take everything he said and say,
Speaker 3: what the frig is he talking about? And then the
Speaker 3: other thing to me too. Yeah, so Sally Sally bugs Forgoglio.
Speaker 3: I bet my life On was the trigger man and
Speaker 3: he was sent by Anthony pro Provenzano. Uh the Detroit
Speaker 3: Mob had something to do with it. I think that
Speaker 3: they incinerated him at the Central Sanitation Services in uh
Speaker 3: in Ham Trunk, Michigan, which was about a twenty minute
Speaker 3: drive from where copp forgot in the car over at
Speaker 3: the Red Red mac Macus Red Fox restaurant. Nobody, all
Speaker 3: the all the decades that the FBI has been looking
Speaker 3: under the under the arizontal bridge under this bridge in Jersey,
Speaker 3: that bridge under t I would have told him, listen,
Speaker 3: save you save save your save your resources. Save your
Speaker 3: bulldozers and your your construction equipment. Nobody's going to clip
Speaker 3: somebody and drive twelve hundred miles with the body when
Speaker 3: there's a million places to get rid of him in Michigan.
Speaker 3: So going into it, before I did my research, I
Speaker 3: knew that they would have got rid of them within
Speaker 3: minutes of clipping them, which was which would have been
Speaker 3: within minutes of taking them from the Red Maccus Red
Speaker 3: Fox restaurant, and they would have gotten Usually these guys
Speaker 3: got a whole predug. You know, they know where they're
Speaker 3: taking you, and they're not going to ship you around
Speaker 3: in a barrel and risk going through Highway ninety five,
Speaker 3: and you know, why not.
Speaker 4: See if I may one more question? If I may dan,
Speaker 4: I've often heard the term a made man. Now is
Speaker 4: there an actual ceremony? Does one have to kiss someone's ring?
Speaker 4: Can you explain that a little bit more clearly?
Speaker 3: Well, well, nobody kisses a ring, but basically, you know,
Speaker 3: they draw a little blood off your finger. You say,
Speaker 3: you know, you basically swear you're going to die for
Speaker 3: the family, and this family comes even before your own family.
Speaker 3: And then uh, and then everybody kisses on the cheeks
Speaker 3: and you know you're you're straightened out in the family.
Speaker 3: So I mean there's no kissing. The ring and stuff
Speaker 3: was from The Godfather, the movie. Yeah, that doesn't happen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Oh the Pope exactly. Oh the Polpe, the infallible Pope.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh no no in the movie Goodfellas. Did
Speaker 4: you see that movie, lou I saw.
Speaker 3: I saw years ago. I was. I actually saw it
Speaker 3: before it came out. I was close friends Jimmy Robert
Speaker 3: Demiro played Jimmy Conway, who was really Jimmy Burke. Jimmy
Speaker 3: Burke was from my neighborhood, and I looked up to
Speaker 3: him as a kid. And uh he had a son.
Speaker 3: One son was clipped, one son died on the street.
Speaker 3: Another son he had became an attorney. He was a
Speaker 3: really nice kid, legitimate kid. He one time he flagged
Speaker 3: down me and Peter Gotty. We were driving in how
Speaker 3: Beach and he says, hey, guys, I got a he
Speaker 3: had a VHS tape for for for those of us
Speaker 3: who are older, we remember what a VHS tape was.
Speaker 3: And he said, hey, I got a tape of my
Speaker 3: movie about my father. You guys want to follow me?
Speaker 3: Back to the house. I'm about to watch it. It
Speaker 3: just got it. So we went back and we watched
Speaker 3: Good Fellas a few months before it came out, and
Speaker 3: I do remember seeing it, but I don't remember exactly
Speaker 3: whose ring was kissed, and.
Speaker 4: No ring gets kissed. But they make a big deal
Speaker 4: about having killed a made man and that was their death.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, that's off limits if you kill somebody who's made,
Speaker 3: who straightened out unless you had permission to kill him.
Speaker 3: You know, the boss of a family could tell you
Speaker 3: somebody's got to go within the family. The father makes
Speaker 3: the decisions for the children, right, So any boss of
Speaker 3: a family will say who dies and who lives. But
Speaker 3: if you clip a maid guy and you didn't have permission,
Speaker 3: you're dead. You're going. I mean yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: they could give you a pass if there's some circumstances
Speaker 3: behind it that you know, but ninety nine out of
Speaker 3: one hundred usually you're going just for the fact that
Speaker 3: you did it without permission. You know, I know somebody
Speaker 3: who did it and got away with it. It was
Speaker 3: during mob war. They went to sit down, they straightened
Speaker 3: it out because the guy claimed he didn't know and
Speaker 3: did this and that, and they let him live because
Speaker 3: they needed him for the war. But normally, uh, normally
Speaker 3: a guy goes right away. If you do that, you can't.
Speaker 3: It's awko limits have a great night, Happy New Year.
Speaker 2: I'll take a break, and I guess the current book
Speaker 2: Clash of the Titans, A History of the American Mafia
Speaker 2: Borgata bo r g a t A. Remind me what
Speaker 2: the word bogatta means.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bogatta is like it's like a like to think
Speaker 3: of the word like uh barrio like in Spanish, it's
Speaker 3: like a poorer neighborhood where close knit people live. And
Speaker 3: that's the original meaning. And then it became something like
Speaker 3: formafia's family. They would say borgata or more the way
Speaker 3: I remember it said on the street would be the
Speaker 3: bugad like they wouldn't say a crime family. They wouldn't
Speaker 3: say a mafia's family. They would say, you know, he's
Speaker 3: with John's bugad or borgatta like an other word, John
Speaker 3: would be John Gott. He's with John's bugatt or borgatta.
Speaker 3: That means he's with John's crew, John's family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my guest, Lou friending, we'll get some more calls.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven, four, ten, thirty coming right back on
Speaker 2: night Side. We're going to switch topics at the top
Speaker 2: of the arrow, So if you want to get a
Speaker 2: question in, now's the time. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on.
Speaker 2: W b Z the news radio. All right, back to
Speaker 2: the call as we go. We're talking about the Mafia,
Speaker 2: America's political elite. The book in question is Clash of
Speaker 2: the Titans, a History of the American Mafia. How long
Speaker 2: is this this this volume? This is volume two of
Speaker 2: the trilogy. Lewis has been out. How long?
Speaker 3: Oh? It just came out this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just available Amazon and fine bookstores. Let's go next
Speaker 2: to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you're next on Nightside with
Speaker 2: lou Ferante.
Speaker 5: Garretta had Paul Yelier down there a guest. My question earlier,
Speaker 5: guest is I just saw a documentary years ago. It
Speaker 5: was what Albert to Sell Boston Streiber and they played
Speaker 5: a portion of where he was under hypnosis and it
Speaker 5: was one of the creepiest things I ever heard. Is
Speaker 5: your guest ever heard the rumor that he was also
Speaker 5: a hit man for the mob and that's why when
Speaker 5: he got locked up laying around and he ended up
Speaker 5: killed in prison.
Speaker 2: No, he was never a hit man for the mob.
Speaker 2: But but let's uh, let's see what Lou has to
Speaker 2: say on that. I'm very fniard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean nothing. I never heard anything like that either.
Speaker 3: So if he was, I didn't, I was completely in
Speaker 3: the dalk about it now.
Speaker 2: He would have been. He would have been too unreliable
Speaker 2: as an individual to have been in that situation. I
Speaker 2: can tell you the story that with the guy that
Speaker 2: I worked with or worked on behalf of to get
Speaker 2: out of prison, a fellow named Joe Silvadi, one of
Speaker 2: the four people that Rico had had framed up here,
Speaker 2: along with Joe Barboza from for murder they had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with when they were convicted, uh, and they
Speaker 2: were shipped immediately from Suffolk Superior Court to Walpole State Prison.
Speaker 2: The strangler was still was already in prison. Uh, and
Speaker 2: he fashioned himself as to being sort of like a
Speaker 2: big guy in the prison. Everybody needed to know who
Speaker 2: Albert de Salvo was. So Savanti was in like a
Speaker 2: holding room waiting to be processed, and the Salvo came
Speaker 2: in and uh and said Hi, I'm Albert de Salvo
Speaker 2: or the Boston Strangler, and Savati said, go get me
Speaker 2: a sandwich, and Salvo scarried and brought him back a
Speaker 2: roast beef sandwich, and Joe told me the story. Uh,
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, he wanted to let the
Speaker 2: Salvo know that in the pecking order he wasn't above
Speaker 2: Joe Savat.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, it's just the way. Yeah, No, Dan,
Speaker 3: those guys in jail have a hard time. It's it's
Speaker 3: a matter of time before they get killed. I wrote
Speaker 3: a memoir years ago where I talked about me and
Speaker 3: my co defendants when we were in jail, and there
Speaker 3: was one of us, one of my co defendants, who
Speaker 3: could not sleep if somebody was accidentally brought in into
Speaker 3: the FEDS for let's say, for example, this guy was
Speaker 3: brought in from the state charge. He had a state
Speaker 3: charge where it was rape, and he couldn't sleep till
Speaker 3: he got him. And then there was another time where
Speaker 3: the guy was charged federally because he took abducted the
Speaker 3: girl and took her over state lines. And once again
Speaker 3: he came to me and the rest of my co
Speaker 3: defendant and he goes, I got to get him. So
Speaker 3: we said, look, we'll do it together, you know, this way,
Speaker 3: make sure he gets away with it. We didn't want
Speaker 3: him because we knew he was going to do it
Speaker 3: one way or the other. But these guys, a lot
Speaker 3: of times, these guys, you know, I mean, they get
Speaker 3: clipped in jail.
Speaker 2: There's a code of ethics internally, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to think it could be my sister,
Speaker 3: could be my daughter, could be my mother. You know,
Speaker 3: the women he strangled, he raped whoever, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: they they just and a lot of guys are creeped
Speaker 3: out by that. They don't you know, they don't want
Speaker 3: them near them. But that's funny the story you said,
Speaker 3: and that's so true.
Speaker 2: Who gets you know, I'm Albert the Salve, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm the strangler. It's a big deal. Go
Speaker 2: get me a Sandersom commissary. All right, thank you, Paul,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Thanks so.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Let me let me run a theory behind past you, okay.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've ever run this theory
Speaker 2: behind you in front of it before, But after the
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination, that's when a lot of the funny stuff
Speaker 2: began to happen with Hoover going really going after the mafia.
Speaker 2: I think he was. I think Hoover was afraid, and
Speaker 2: I think that Hoover believed that the mafia was very
Speaker 2: much the group behind the assassination of Kennedy, and Hoover
Speaker 2: for a long time had denied the existence of the mafia,
Speaker 2: if you recall in the nineteen fifties, and I I
Speaker 2: think he maybe he wasn't unhappy that Kennedy had been clipped,
Speaker 2: as you would say, but my sense is that he
Speaker 2: felt he then had to go after the mafia as
Speaker 2: a consequence of that. Do you buy that theory at
Speaker 2: all or noo?
Speaker 3: It's possible. I'll tell you why. So he did. He
Speaker 3: contrary to the whitewash the Warren Commission and the Warrant Commission,
Speaker 3: was completely the conclusions drawn by the Warren Commission was
Speaker 3: the conclusions drawn by basically Jed Gohova. Because he fed
Speaker 3: them all of the information that they had, they had
Speaker 3: to base their conclusions on what he either withheld or
Speaker 3: what he gave them and what he told them. So
Speaker 3: he's basically the man giving them the material that they're
Speaker 3: then using. Notwithstanding all of obviously the testimony that they
Speaker 3: would gather on their own, but it's all coming from Hoover.
Speaker 3: And so Hula manipulated the verdict in that and the
Speaker 3: verdict was exactly what he said. Within twenty minutes of
Speaker 3: Oswald's death. It was a low nut and the case
Speaker 3: is closed. So having said that, that does not mean
Speaker 3: that Hoover did not do a deep dive into the
Speaker 3: investigation for his own knowledge. And that's and that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: He concluded. He knew it was the mob. He knew
Speaker 3: Ruby had silenced Oswald, he knew that the mob was
Speaker 3: threatening the death of Kennedy beforehand. But I also to
Speaker 3: make a very very clear picture in the book that
Speaker 3: the mob couldn't have done it without road members of
Speaker 3: the United States government working with them to some degree.
Speaker 3: Once again, I urged listeners to read it. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: there was something going on, But I do agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think Hoover knew that they were a threat. Then
Speaker 3: at that point he kind of slowly dragged his feet
Speaker 3: a little more over the over, you know, until basically,
Speaker 3: you know, he started to go after them a little more.
Speaker 3: But then basically when it really ramped up was after
Speaker 3: his death. Once he died, That's when the FBI went
Speaker 3: full blown after the Mob and they started to take
Speaker 3: down these guys. But he did, you know, I think
Speaker 3: I think he knew it and knew there were a
Speaker 3: serious threat, and also too we had to cover it up.
Speaker 3: You mentioned something good when you said he was denying
Speaker 3: the mob for so long? How do then, how then
Speaker 3: do you say you're the head of the FBI but
Speaker 3: the mob was somehow involved. Wait a second, you've been
Speaker 3: denying their existence exactly thirty or forty years. Yeah, now
Speaker 3: you're going to tell us for president? Yeah, definitely, Luke.
Speaker 2: For Anthea, one of my favorite guests. We'll have you back.
Speaker 2: The book Clash of the Titans, a History of the
Speaker 2: American Mafia out today, available Amazon everywhere. Get it and
Speaker 2: read it. Lou Thanks so much, man. I really appreciate
Speaker 2: you coming on. You're one of my favorite guests. Simple
Speaker 2: is that I can't pay a higher compliment.
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, Thank thank you so much, Dan and you
Speaker 3: and you're one of my favorite hosts. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll talk to you and happy New year.
Speaker 5: Thank ye.
Speaker 2: All right, good night. We came back when we talk
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump. So I don't know if you call
Speaker 2: it a news conference. Today but the president elect had
Speaker 2: a lot to say, and we're going to cover some
Speaker 2: of it right after the break here at the eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock hour.