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Highway traffic continues to build 12 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.960 the heaviest northbound fourth seventy one approaching the barrels near Memorial. 13 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:49.640 You'll need a couple of extra minutes into downtown. Savebound 14 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:53.039 seventy five does beginning to get heavier through Blackland. There's 15 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.880 a wreck on Glenway at Wilder Avenue. Chuck ingramon fifty 16 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:58.840 five KR. See the talk station. 17 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.520 Seven twenty one if you have KERCD talk station regular 18 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.000 staple on the Monday Morning show Christopher Smith and former 19 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:08.760 Vice Mayor of the City of Cincinna with a Smith 20 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:11.840 event since I was off yesterday and Dan Carrol filled in, 21 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.480 and thank you again Dan for doing so. We moved 22 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.159 them over to Tuesday. Welcome back Christopher for the Smith event. 23 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:18.959 Love having you on the morning show, my friend. I 24 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:19.640 hope all is well. 25 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:23.200 Oh brother, thank you for having me on. And you 26 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.840 know we always miss you. Dan Carroll did a good job, 27 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:29.680 but we definitely miss you. And you just that kind 28 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.879 of wake up in the morning and at five am 29 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.000 and listen to you tell us what's going on in 30 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.319 the world. And you know, I've been listening to your 31 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:40.920 show and you and I are on the same page 32 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:46.879 about what happened yesterday with the coual acquittal of mister Penny. Yeah, 33 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.439 but I you know, I want to spleen vent on 34 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.239 it because there are significant racial components that I think 35 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.000 it's important for me to be outspoken about, and you 36 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.959 were touching on them this morning. And so one of 37 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:05.079 the things is I don't believe Penny would have been 38 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.240 charged if the person who died was white. 39 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:09.599 Yep. 40 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.840 First thing, and I think that Prosecutor Brags was pressured 41 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.960 in his mind by people who were living in New 42 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.199 York that were saying, hey, you've got this young white 43 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:25.360 guy who killed somebody on a subway. But one of 44 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:30.280 the things that I think the media intentionally, particularly mainstream media, 45 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:35.960 didn't share was the diversity of the people who testified, 46 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.639 black and white, male and female, that said my life 47 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.120 was on the line, and I view that what Penny 48 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.240 did was intervened so that I could live. There were 49 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:49.319 no cops there. There's a guy that got on the 50 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.960 subway said I feel like killing some people, and I 51 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.280 really don't care what happens to me. And so you know, 52 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:01.120 if this veteran was on a battlefield, he would have 53 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.960 gotten a purple heart. Instead, what he got from Brags 54 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.879 was prosecuted where they said, we're gonna take away your 55 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:13.159 life in liberty for fifteen years for you just standing 56 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.560 up for the little guy. And I appreciated how you 57 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.039 said that the person who can't defend themselves, they take 58 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.360 away your guns in New York, so you can't defend 59 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.400 yourself with a weapon. Now, even a good Samaritan, their 60 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.439 life is on the line, their life in liberty is 61 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.240 on the line. If they intervene to save my life. 62 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:33.719 That's a hell of a place to live, Brian Thomas, 63 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.840 And so it's a scary place to think that even 64 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.000 good Samaritans out here. And that's why I watched that 65 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.520 case so closely, because of the implications of any American, 66 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.439 whether they're living Georgia where they have the right to 67 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.360 use a firearm, whether they're in Ohio with you know, 68 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.520 stand your grounds, any of us who might see something 69 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.280 happening the Penny case would have us go I get involved. 70 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:02.000 Will the prosecutor and Hamilton County decide to prosecute me 71 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.719 if I decide somebody walks in and says I'm gonna 72 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:07.759 kill everybody I have my weapon, I say, no, not today. 73 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.800 I'm gonna take this. I'm gonna make sure I protect everybody. 74 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.800 I'm just trying to figure out where this society is going, 75 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.639 Brian Thomins. 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Happy to 138 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:23.720 have Christopher Smithan on talking about the Daniel Penny acquittal, 139 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.759 which I think everyone agrees is a good thing, with 140 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.439 the exception notably of at least one founder of the 141 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.000 Black Lives Matter Greater New York City, Hawk Newsom, who 142 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.800 had this to say, and I will quote him, we 143 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.199 need some black vigilantes. People want to jump up and 144 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.680 choke us and kill us for being loud. How about 145 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.279 we do the same. So he is not calling upon 146 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.040 black Americans to protect people in danger, he's encouraged him 147 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.519 to kill white people basically for being white. And Daniel Penny, 148 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.160 or the victim or the disturbed Jordan Neelly in this 149 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.959 particular case, wasn't just being loud. He was threatening people 150 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.319 with death hit, a history of psychosis, high on K two, 151 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.360 a synthetic form of marijuana, a lengthy criminal arrest record. 152 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.120 And I have no doubt in my mind that Daniel Penney, 153 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.000 if it didn't matter what color skin Jordan Neely had, 154 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.000 if Jordan Neely was a deranged Asian or white guy, 155 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.040 he would have done the same thing to protect his 156 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.079 fellow citizens on that subway train where there were no 157 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.360 police around to help out. 158 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.720 And I think your point about he wasn't just being loud, 159 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:36.159 he was articulating a position, I'm going to kill somebody. Yeah, 160 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.159 people understood that, They understood what that meant. And by 161 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.200 the way, you know just what happened to the CEO 162 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.559 of United Health as he walked down the street, you know, 163 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.919 in the early mornings. You know, whether that was random 164 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.519 or not, which we obviously know it wasn't, it still 165 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.799 was a major act of violence in New Yorkers are 166 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.120 seeing that meaning this is the context of this of 167 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.679 what was happening on the subway is other people had 168 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:09.159 been attacked on the subway. Oh, been attacked on the street, right, 169 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.240 a fid And so the New Yorkers were sitting around 170 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.000 going people are just walking down the street punching women 171 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.679 in the face. Right. This was something that was happening 172 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:21.919 last year. And so the context was here's a man 173 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.519 who got on the subway and said I'm here to 174 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:29.039 kill somebody. And Penny heard that as a veteran, right, 175 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.200 he said, you know what, not today, You're not going 176 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.440 to kill these people today. I'm trained, and I'm going 177 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.559 to put my life on the line. And no one 178 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.799 knew what he had. He could have had a knife, 179 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:42.799 he could have had a gun, Yeah, he could have 180 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.200 had anything. Let me speak to a Black Lives Matter 181 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:49.120 Look what he said was so outrageous and so over 182 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.240 the top. And we need leaders whether they're white or black, 183 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:57.320 Democrats are Republicans, are independence to call them out. You 184 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.840 just can't sit silent when someone gets on the MI 185 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.480 and says, you know what, I think I need a 186 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:04.559 visual handing out here to kill white people, right, because 187 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:10.039 that's not what is happening, doesn't fit the situation at all. 188 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.080 And so it's such an outrageous statement, as if the 189 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.039 African Americans who were on the train who said my 190 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.279 life I felt was on the line and testified in court, 191 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.960 thank you Penny for saving my life. If Black Lives 192 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.759 Matter was serious, that leader he would say, Man, thank 193 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.720 you Penny, you saved a black life. You mean there 194 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.279 were black people who said, I'm concerned. I thought this 195 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.039 guy was going to kill me. That's the craziness of 196 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.000 what's going on. And let me make sure everybody understands this, Brian, 197 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.519 because every time I talk about these issues, I'm going 198 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:48.320 to make sure that I'm balanced and people understand. Racism 199 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:53.360 is real. I've experienced racism in my life. I've been 200 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.399 attacked which I've never talked about publicly, where my life 201 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.759 was on the line just for being at Frican American 202 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.960 in the city of Cincinnati when I was a young person. 203 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:08.279 So racism is real, and you have to have good 204 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:12.759 referees on both sides of the aisles. We need right 205 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:16.159 leadership to do better, like you, Brian Thomas, who call 206 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.480 things out. You know, like somebody called into your radio 207 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:23.200 station once and start talking about the LGBTQ plus community 208 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.120 and you called them out. You're not a person. I 209 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.519 mean my point to you, Brian Thomas says, you are 210 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.679 a good referee. You're not sitting here saying hey, man, 211 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.320 if I see something that happened bad to somebody who 212 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.120 was African American based on their race, I'm going to 213 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:39.440 lend my voice to it and say it was wrong. 214 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.840 That's what I'm doing today. I'm lending my voice as 215 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:46.440 a leader who happens to be African American saying, hey, 216 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.600 listen what that leader said or whoever that was in 217 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:51.919 New York from Black Lives Matter and that said we 218 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.600 need a visual anti today to go out and kill 219 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.000 white people based on the acquittal of Penny is so 220 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.799 outrageous and so over the time that somebody needs to 221 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.080 lend the voice and say you're out of bounds on 222 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:05.799 those comments. 223 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:11.279 Totally totally, totally out of line. And you know the 224 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.000 other component of this, Christopher is, you know, had he 225 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.960 been convicted of the mere fact that he was prosecuted 226 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:23.279 for this, talk about you know, a negative effect someone 227 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.639 out there who is in a position where you know, 228 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:30.200 military trained guy like Daniel or Daniel Penny who has 229 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:35.440 the skill sets to engage this guy and take him 230 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.440 out in terms of preventing him from doing further harm. 231 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.799 He didn't want to kill Jordan Neely, that wasn't his point. 232 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.639 His point was to subdue him until the point where 233 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.519 some police officer might show up and take over. You know, 234 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.840 sadly the guy died. It wasn't intentional, and the jury 235 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:56.600 of course realized that that's why he's found not guilty. 236 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.720 But you know, how many people are out there going 237 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.519 to be second guessing? How many people out there, for example, 238 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.000 they're faced with eminent apprehension of death. You know, somebody 239 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.399 over there has got a gun pointing it at them, 240 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.159 and they're afraid to use their own personal firearm to 241 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.759 defend themselves because of the color of the skin of 242 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:20.320 the person that's coming after them. Oh my god, if 243 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.600 I defend myself, I'm gonna get you know, I'm gonna 244 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.320 be accused of being a racist or something. That's just 245 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:30.000 that that effect is profound, and I know a lot 246 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:32.559 of people out in the world really genuinely feel like that. 247 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.679 You know, I'm the Oh hell no, I'm not going 248 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.480 to get involved. I don't want to be prosecuted. I 249 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:37.919 don't want to be drugged through the ringer. I don't 250 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.440 want to be labeled on social media as a racist 251 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.519 because I defended myself or defended my wife or daughter 252 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.000 or some other young person or you know, frail elderly 253 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.080 female on the subway train or anyplace else. No, I'm 254 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.039 just gonna turn my head and walk away. 255 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.200 But Brian Thomas, one of the points that's important is 256 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:07.360 that Penny wasn't the only person subduing. There were other 257 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:12.279 passengers once Penny got him into the position, and the 258 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.799 person looked like an African American male. I don't know 259 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:17.679 if he was. He might have been defined as a 260 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:19.639 Haitian American. I have no idea, but he was a 261 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:23.559 man of color who was also helping to do him 262 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.399 on that train. He had his hands on him saying hey, 263 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.639 I'm trying to help. There were other passengers, and so 264 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:33.080 the reality was it was just another affirmation that it 265 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.960 wasn't about race. It was about people on the train 266 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.519 who felt that their life in that moment was in jeopardy. 267 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.360 And this good Samaritan said, I'm going to intervene today. 268 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.159 I want to let every good Samaritan out there know 269 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.120 as they listen to you and I, we have to 270 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.399 be our brother's keeper, no matter the race, that gender, 271 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.440 the situation. We must look out for each other as 272 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.720 Americans to keep ourselves safe in a society now where 273 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.240 people walk in with guns and knives and they say 274 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.720 and do things. And the only thing we can do 275 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.399 right now, Brian Thomas is believed that what happened was 276 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.440 this veteran believed what that man said. I'm here to 277 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.080 kill people and guess what, I really don't care what 278 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.080 happens to me. And at the end of the day, 279 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.919 what happened to him, unfortunately and unintentionally is he lost 280 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.360 his life. And now this man is going to face 281 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.639 a civil case. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't 282 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.759 understand all the details, but my understanding is the threshold 283 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.759 is much lower now. They're coming after everything that he 284 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.399 owes his entire life. There will be a civil trial 285 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.799 where this man has to go back on trial again 286 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.799 and put everything that he has on the line. Tell me, 287 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.919 what good samaritan out there who's walking through a mall 288 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.799 right now, are walking in a parking lot and see 289 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:55.519 somebody in trouble, says, you know what is better for 290 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.799 me not to get involved, because the prosecutor, no matter 291 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.240 where they live in the United State of America might 292 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.200 charge me, and then I might be civilly charged and 293 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.000 lose everything if I get involved. 294 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.080 Yep, you got a great point on that one, and 295 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.120 it's important you mentioned the lower legal standard in a 296 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.080 civil case. It's preponderance of the evidence. If you look 297 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.159 at a sliding scale like a seesaw, the fulcrum in 298 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.000 the middle, that's fifty percent. You go one percent over 299 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.200 and you can be found guilty. In a civil trial, 300 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.919 clear and convincing evidence is like three quarters over and 301 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.679 then and then beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the 302 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.480 criminal standard, is like all the way over to ninety percent. 303 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.039 On one side, you've got to be thoroughly convinced by 304 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.960 a you know, beyond a reasonable doubt that the person 305 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.240 is guilty. They can't be found guilty, so he ends 306 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:49.159 up in a civil suit. You know, some other jury 307 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.320 may say, you know what you know, find him guilty, 308 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.240 and you're right. They would literally take everything that man has. 309 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.279 And I'm not sure as a you know, as a marine, 310 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.039 how much he's got. But I don't think that's the 311 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:01.000 point of going after I just think they want to 312 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.159 continue to make an example out of him for doing 313 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:04.000 the right thing. 314 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.720 Well, let's say that he has a pension that pays 315 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.519 them three thousand dollars a month and they take his 316 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.640 pension away from him. I'm a financial planner. That would 317 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.880 be devastating for that man to take his three thousand 318 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.240 dollars away for being a good Samaritan and serving his country. 319 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.240 And then being on a plane, being on a train 320 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:28.720 in a subway saying I'm intervening to save other people's lives, 321 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.880 and I think it's so important no matter what your 322 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.559 race is or gender. People who are listening and trust 323 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:38.720 my leadership in this city or in the county, or 324 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.039 people who are listening to you, look at this case fairly. 325 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.359 It has nothing to do with race. It has to 326 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.480 do with a man and people on a train who 327 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.759 were all different. They all came together in that moment 328 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.960 in time and said, listen, my life is on the line. 329 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.279 You need could be hurt here. And if it were 330 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:01.319 my wife, if it were my significant other, if it 331 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.519 was my child, right, if it was one of my daughter, 332 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.920 you know, if it were if it were my daughter, 333 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:09.519 you know, if it were a friend, I don't know 334 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.680 whoever in my life that I loved. If it was 335 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.720 your beautiful wife, Paulette. You would want somebody in that 336 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:20.000 moment to say, you know what, Paulette's life matters, and 337 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.960 I'm gonna intervene here and make sure that she gets 338 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.079 off the train. And so it's such an atrocity for 339 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.480 the leader in Black Lives Matter, and I call all 340 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.920 groups out many. You know, some people don't know that 341 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:35.119 I served as the president of the Cincinnati NAACP for 342 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:39.079 seven years. I worked very hard to be fair right 343 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.839 every so things that came before us, this is nonsense. 344 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.559 I'm not dealing with that. You're wrong, I'm not involved. 345 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:51.039 You have to have balanced leaders in these positions that 346 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.720 can call balls balls and strikes or strikes. Now, I'm 347 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:55.720 gonna say one more thing before we get off, Brian Thomas, 348 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.319 because this is an important detail and it's personal to me. 349 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:02.039 We're going into the holiday and people are in their families, 350 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.920 are coming together. If you're in a room and someone 351 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.240 is telling a racial joke and you're sitting there, whatever 352 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.640 it is, or they're saying something bad about the LGBTQ 353 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.880 Plus Committee and you're sitting there and people are laughing, 354 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.200 and you don't have the courage to shine a light 355 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.559 to say you know what, Uncle, you know what, Grandpa, 356 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.960 you know what, cousin, that's not funny. I've got a 357 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.839 friend who fits all the things you just said, and 358 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.920 they're not that. Why would you say that over the holidays. 359 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.480 We have to be better within our families to call 360 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.279 this stuff out when it's happening. Because I know, Brian Thomas, 361 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.039 you would never let anybody sit around your table. I'm 362 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.759 getting a little emotion. You would never let anybody sit 363 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:48.119 around your table and say something crazy because of our relationship, 364 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.319 the love that we have for each other, the love 365 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:53.480 that you extended to my wife, to my five children. 366 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.160 No one would get away with that in the Thomas household. 367 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.599 And so that's my point. We have to do better 368 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.000 as a American to stand up for what's right when 369 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.240 no one's watching. Christmas is a great time to do it. 370 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.079 Our families are coming together. People say things that are outrageous, 371 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.119 and I'm asking people who love me, who like me, 372 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:16.039 who care about me, who respect me, to shine a 373 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:20.599 light on anybody who's saying anything disparaging in your homes. 374 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.160 Stand up and say, you know what, that's not who 375 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.559 we are. You don't have to be negative. You can 376 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.799 just say that's not I don't think that joke is funny, 377 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.079 and I tell you it makes a big difference in 378 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:33.839 our American families. If we all just did that little bit, 379 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.720 what we could be the penny. We could be the penny. 380 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.279 We could be the guy on the subway that's standing 381 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:40.160 up for what's right. 382 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.240 Well, see, and that's why I love living in America, 383 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:45.880 and that's why I'm a little low libertarian. America is 384 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.440 filled with all kinds of people. And isn't it a 385 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.799 beautiful thing that we don't live in some oppressive regime 386 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:57.000 that will literally kill you for, for example, being gay. 387 00:20:57.079 --> 00:20:58.640 And we know there are countries in the world that 388 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:02.559 will do that violates their religion or whatever. And I 389 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.079 don't get that any religion could you know, kill someone 390 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.759 or hate someone merely because of their sexuality. And we 391 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.720 all need to learn to play nicely together and freedom, 392 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.519 liberty and allowing people to live their lives as they 393 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:17.319 see fit as long as they're not bumping into what 394 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.720 I live and how I live my life. I'm great. 395 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:22.599 I can play nice in the sandbox. And I know 396 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.799 you feel the same way. Christopher Smithman, God bless you, Yeah. 397 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.160 God bless you. Brian Thomas. People can follow me on 398 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.599 social media media at vote Smitherman and I appreciate you. 399 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.200 If we we'll talk again, oh yeah, by chance we don't. 400 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.079 But if by chance we don't marry Christmas to you, okay, 401 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.599