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Speaker 1: staple on the Monday Morning show Christopher Smith and former
Speaker 1: Vice Mayor of the City of Cincinna with a Smith
Speaker 1: event since I was off yesterday and Dan Carrol filled in,
Speaker 1: and thank you again Dan for doing so. We moved
Speaker 1: them over to Tuesday. Welcome back Christopher for the Smith event.
Speaker 1: Love having you on the morning show, my friend. I
Speaker 1: hope all is well.
Speaker 3: Oh brother, thank you for having me on. And you
Speaker 3: know we always miss you. Dan Carroll did a good job,
Speaker 3: but we definitely miss you. And you just that kind
Speaker 3: of wake up in the morning and at five am
Speaker 3: and listen to you tell us what's going on in
Speaker 3: the world. And you know, I've been listening to your
Speaker 3: show and you and I are on the same page
Speaker 3: about what happened yesterday with the coual acquittal of mister Penny. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I you know, I want to spleen vent on
Speaker 3: it because there are significant racial components that I think
Speaker 3: it's important for me to be outspoken about, and you
Speaker 3: were touching on them this morning. And so one of
Speaker 3: the things is I don't believe Penny would have been
Speaker 3: charged if the person who died was white.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: First thing, and I think that Prosecutor Brags was pressured
Speaker 3: in his mind by people who were living in New
Speaker 3: York that were saying, hey, you've got this young white
Speaker 3: guy who killed somebody on a subway. But one of
Speaker 3: the things that I think the media intentionally, particularly mainstream media,
Speaker 3: didn't share was the diversity of the people who testified,
Speaker 3: black and white, male and female, that said my life
Speaker 3: was on the line, and I view that what Penny
Speaker 3: did was intervened so that I could live. There were
Speaker 3: no cops there. There's a guy that got on the
Speaker 3: subway said I feel like killing some people, and I
Speaker 3: really don't care what happens to me. And so you know,
Speaker 3: if this veteran was on a battlefield, he would have
Speaker 3: gotten a purple heart. Instead, what he got from Brags
Speaker 3: was prosecuted where they said, we're gonna take away your
Speaker 3: life in liberty for fifteen years for you just standing
Speaker 3: up for the little guy. And I appreciated how you
Speaker 3: said that the person who can't defend themselves, they take
Speaker 3: away your guns in New York, so you can't defend
Speaker 3: yourself with a weapon. Now, even a good Samaritan, their
Speaker 3: life is on the line, their life in liberty is
Speaker 3: on the line. If they intervene to save my life.
Speaker 3: That's a hell of a place to live, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 3: And so it's a scary place to think that even
Speaker 3: good Samaritans out here. And that's why I watched that
Speaker 3: case so closely, because of the implications of any American,
Speaker 3: whether they're living Georgia where they have the right to
Speaker 3: use a firearm, whether they're in Ohio with you know,
Speaker 3: stand your grounds, any of us who might see something
Speaker 3: happening the Penny case would have us go I get involved.
Speaker 3: Will the prosecutor and Hamilton County decide to prosecute me
Speaker 3: if I decide somebody walks in and says I'm gonna
Speaker 3: kill everybody I have my weapon, I say, no, not today.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take this. I'm gonna make sure I protect everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out where this society is going,
Speaker 3: Brian Thomins. And I'm going to weigh in on Black
Speaker 3: Lives Matter and the commentary that came from them on
Speaker 3: the second half of the show, because that really got
Speaker 3: my goat yesterday.
Speaker 1: Too, oh without question, and I am glad you're going
Speaker 1: to comment on that, because Lord Almighty calling for sort
Speaker 1: of black people to go out and exact justice on
Speaker 1: white people just because Penny gets acquitted for something that
Speaker 1: was just a service to society. It's I am just
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Speaker 1: Nine I fifty five Ker City talk Station. Happy to
Speaker 1: have Christopher Smithan on talking about the Daniel Penny acquittal,
Speaker 1: which I think everyone agrees is a good thing, with
Speaker 1: the exception notably of at least one founder of the
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter Greater New York City, Hawk Newsom, who
Speaker 1: had this to say, and I will quote him, we
Speaker 1: need some black vigilantes. People want to jump up and
Speaker 1: choke us and kill us for being loud. How about
Speaker 1: we do the same. So he is not calling upon
Speaker 1: black Americans to protect people in danger, he's encouraged him
Speaker 1: to kill white people basically for being white. And Daniel Penny,
Speaker 1: or the victim or the disturbed Jordan Neelly in this
Speaker 1: particular case, wasn't just being loud. He was threatening people
Speaker 1: with death hit, a history of psychosis, high on K two,
Speaker 1: a synthetic form of marijuana, a lengthy criminal arrest record.
Speaker 1: And I have no doubt in my mind that Daniel Penney,
Speaker 1: if it didn't matter what color skin Jordan Neely had,
Speaker 1: if Jordan Neely was a deranged Asian or white guy,
Speaker 1: he would have done the same thing to protect his
Speaker 1: fellow citizens on that subway train where there were no
Speaker 1: police around to help out.
Speaker 3: And I think your point about he wasn't just being loud,
Speaker 3: he was articulating a position, I'm going to kill somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people understood that, They understood what that meant. And by
Speaker 3: the way, you know just what happened to the CEO
Speaker 3: of United Health as he walked down the street, you know,
Speaker 3: in the early mornings. You know, whether that was random
Speaker 3: or not, which we obviously know it wasn't, it still
Speaker 3: was a major act of violence in New Yorkers are
Speaker 3: seeing that meaning this is the context of this of
Speaker 3: what was happening on the subway is other people had
Speaker 3: been attacked on the subway. Oh, been attacked on the street, right,
Speaker 3: a fid And so the New Yorkers were sitting around
Speaker 3: going people are just walking down the street punching women
Speaker 3: in the face. Right. This was something that was happening
Speaker 3: last year. And so the context was here's a man
Speaker 3: who got on the subway and said I'm here to
Speaker 3: kill somebody. And Penny heard that as a veteran, right,
Speaker 3: he said, you know what, not today, You're not going
Speaker 3: to kill these people today. I'm trained, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to put my life on the line. And no one
Speaker 3: knew what he had. He could have had a knife,
Speaker 3: he could have had a gun, Yeah, he could have
Speaker 3: had anything. Let me speak to a Black Lives Matter
Speaker 3: Look what he said was so outrageous and so over
Speaker 3: the top. And we need leaders whether they're white or black,
Speaker 3: Democrats are Republicans, are independence to call them out. You
Speaker 3: just can't sit silent when someone gets on the MI
Speaker 3: and says, you know what, I think I need a
Speaker 3: visual handing out here to kill white people, right, because
Speaker 3: that's not what is happening, doesn't fit the situation at all.
Speaker 3: And so it's such an outrageous statement, as if the
Speaker 3: African Americans who were on the train who said my
Speaker 3: life I felt was on the line and testified in court,
Speaker 3: thank you Penny for saving my life. If Black Lives
Speaker 3: Matter was serious, that leader he would say, Man, thank
Speaker 3: you Penny, you saved a black life. You mean there
Speaker 3: were black people who said, I'm concerned. I thought this
Speaker 3: guy was going to kill me. That's the craziness of
Speaker 3: what's going on. And let me make sure everybody understands this, Brian,
Speaker 3: because every time I talk about these issues, I'm going
Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm balanced and people understand. Racism
Speaker 3: is real. I've experienced racism in my life. I've been
Speaker 3: attacked which I've never talked about publicly, where my life
Speaker 3: was on the line just for being at Frican American
Speaker 3: in the city of Cincinnati when I was a young person.
Speaker 3: So racism is real, and you have to have good
Speaker 3: referees on both sides of the aisles. We need right
Speaker 3: leadership to do better, like you, Brian Thomas, who call
Speaker 3: things out. You know, like somebody called into your radio
Speaker 3: station once and start talking about the LGBTQ plus community
Speaker 3: and you called them out. You're not a person. I
Speaker 3: mean my point to you, Brian Thomas says, you are
Speaker 3: a good referee. You're not sitting here saying hey, man,
Speaker 3: if I see something that happened bad to somebody who
Speaker 3: was African American based on their race, I'm going to
Speaker 3: lend my voice to it and say it was wrong.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing today. I'm lending my voice as
Speaker 3: a leader who happens to be African American saying, hey,
Speaker 3: listen what that leader said or whoever that was in
Speaker 3: New York from Black Lives Matter and that said we
Speaker 3: need a visual anti today to go out and kill
Speaker 3: white people based on the acquittal of Penny is so
Speaker 3: outrageous and so over the time that somebody needs to
Speaker 3: lend the voice and say you're out of bounds on
Speaker 3: those comments.
Speaker 1: Totally totally, totally out of line. And you know the
Speaker 1: other component of this, Christopher is, you know, had he
Speaker 1: been convicted of the mere fact that he was prosecuted
Speaker 1: for this, talk about you know, a negative effect someone
Speaker 1: out there who is in a position where you know,
Speaker 1: military trained guy like Daniel or Daniel Penny who has
Speaker 1: the skill sets to engage this guy and take him
Speaker 1: out in terms of preventing him from doing further harm.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to kill Jordan Neely, that wasn't his point.
Speaker 1: His point was to subdue him until the point where
Speaker 1: some police officer might show up and take over. You know,
Speaker 1: sadly the guy died. It wasn't intentional, and the jury
Speaker 1: of course realized that that's why he's found not guilty.
Speaker 1: But you know, how many people are out there going
Speaker 1: to be second guessing? How many people out there, for example,
Speaker 1: they're faced with eminent apprehension of death. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: over there has got a gun pointing it at them,
Speaker 1: and they're afraid to use their own personal firearm to
Speaker 1: defend themselves because of the color of the skin of
Speaker 1: the person that's coming after them. Oh my god, if
Speaker 1: I defend myself, I'm gonna get you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be accused of being a racist or something. That's just
Speaker 1: that that effect is profound, and I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people out in the world really genuinely feel like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the Oh hell no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get involved. I don't want to be prosecuted. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be drugged through the ringer. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be labeled on social media as a racist
Speaker 1: because I defended myself or defended my wife or daughter
Speaker 1: or some other young person or you know, frail elderly
Speaker 1: female on the subway train or anyplace else. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna turn my head and walk away.
Speaker 3: But Brian Thomas, one of the points that's important is
Speaker 3: that Penny wasn't the only person subduing. There were other
Speaker 3: passengers once Penny got him into the position, and the
Speaker 3: person looked like an African American male. I don't know
Speaker 3: if he was. He might have been defined as a
Speaker 3: Haitian American. I have no idea, but he was a
Speaker 3: man of color who was also helping to do him
Speaker 3: on that train. He had his hands on him saying hey,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to help. There were other passengers, and so
Speaker 3: the reality was it was just another affirmation that it
Speaker 3: wasn't about race. It was about people on the train
Speaker 3: who felt that their life in that moment was in jeopardy.
Speaker 3: And this good Samaritan said, I'm going to intervene today.
Speaker 3: I want to let every good Samaritan out there know
Speaker 3: as they listen to you and I, we have to
Speaker 3: be our brother's keeper, no matter the race, that gender,
Speaker 3: the situation. We must look out for each other as
Speaker 3: Americans to keep ourselves safe in a society now where
Speaker 3: people walk in with guns and knives and they say
Speaker 3: and do things. And the only thing we can do
Speaker 3: right now, Brian Thomas is believed that what happened was
Speaker 3: this veteran believed what that man said. I'm here to
Speaker 3: kill people and guess what, I really don't care what
Speaker 3: happens to me. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: what happened to him, unfortunately and unintentionally is he lost
Speaker 3: his life. And now this man is going to face
Speaker 3: a civil case. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't
Speaker 3: understand all the details, but my understanding is the threshold
Speaker 3: is much lower now. They're coming after everything that he
Speaker 3: owes his entire life. There will be a civil trial
Speaker 3: where this man has to go back on trial again
Speaker 3: and put everything that he has on the line. Tell me,
Speaker 3: what good samaritan out there who's walking through a mall
Speaker 3: right now, are walking in a parking lot and see
Speaker 3: somebody in trouble, says, you know what is better for
Speaker 3: me not to get involved, because the prosecutor, no matter
Speaker 3: where they live in the United State of America might
Speaker 3: charge me, and then I might be civilly charged and
Speaker 3: lose everything if I get involved.
Speaker 1: Yep, you got a great point on that one, and
Speaker 1: it's important you mentioned the lower legal standard in a
Speaker 1: civil case. It's preponderance of the evidence. If you look
Speaker 1: at a sliding scale like a seesaw, the fulcrum in
Speaker 1: the middle, that's fifty percent. You go one percent over
Speaker 1: and you can be found guilty. In a civil trial,
Speaker 1: clear and convincing evidence is like three quarters over and
Speaker 1: then and then beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the
Speaker 1: criminal standard, is like all the way over to ninety percent.
Speaker 1: On one side, you've got to be thoroughly convinced by
Speaker 1: a you know, beyond a reasonable doubt that the person
Speaker 1: is guilty. They can't be found guilty, so he ends
Speaker 1: up in a civil suit. You know, some other jury
Speaker 1: may say, you know what you know, find him guilty,
Speaker 1: and you're right. They would literally take everything that man has.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure as a you know, as a marine,
Speaker 1: how much he's got. But I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: point of going after I just think they want to
Speaker 1: continue to make an example out of him for doing
Speaker 1: the right thing.
Speaker 3: Well, let's say that he has a pension that pays
Speaker 3: them three thousand dollars a month and they take his
Speaker 3: pension away from him. I'm a financial planner. That would
Speaker 3: be devastating for that man to take his three thousand
Speaker 3: dollars away for being a good Samaritan and serving his country.
Speaker 3: And then being on a plane, being on a train
Speaker 3: in a subway saying I'm intervening to save other people's lives,
Speaker 3: and I think it's so important no matter what your
Speaker 3: race is or gender. People who are listening and trust
Speaker 3: my leadership in this city or in the county, or
Speaker 3: people who are listening to you, look at this case fairly.
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with race. It has to
Speaker 3: do with a man and people on a train who
Speaker 3: were all different. They all came together in that moment
Speaker 3: in time and said, listen, my life is on the line.
Speaker 3: You need could be hurt here. And if it were
Speaker 3: my wife, if it were my significant other, if it
Speaker 3: was my child, right, if it was one of my daughter,
Speaker 3: you know, if it were if it were my daughter,
Speaker 3: you know, if it were a friend, I don't know
Speaker 3: whoever in my life that I loved. If it was
Speaker 3: your beautiful wife, Paulette. You would want somebody in that
Speaker 3: moment to say, you know what, Paulette's life matters, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna intervene here and make sure that she gets
Speaker 3: off the train. And so it's such an atrocity for
Speaker 3: the leader in Black Lives Matter, and I call all
Speaker 3: groups out many. You know, some people don't know that
Speaker 3: I served as the president of the Cincinnati NAACP for
Speaker 3: seven years. I worked very hard to be fair right
Speaker 3: every so things that came before us, this is nonsense.
Speaker 3: I'm not dealing with that. You're wrong, I'm not involved.
Speaker 3: You have to have balanced leaders in these positions that
Speaker 3: can call balls balls and strikes or strikes. Now, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say one more thing before we get off, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 3: because this is an important detail and it's personal to me.
Speaker 3: We're going into the holiday and people are in their families,
Speaker 3: are coming together. If you're in a room and someone
Speaker 3: is telling a racial joke and you're sitting there, whatever
Speaker 3: it is, or they're saying something bad about the LGBTQ
Speaker 3: Plus Committee and you're sitting there and people are laughing,
Speaker 3: and you don't have the courage to shine a light
Speaker 3: to say you know what, Uncle, you know what, Grandpa,
Speaker 3: you know what, cousin, that's not funny. I've got a
Speaker 3: friend who fits all the things you just said, and
Speaker 3: they're not that. Why would you say that over the holidays.
Speaker 3: We have to be better within our families to call
Speaker 3: this stuff out when it's happening. Because I know, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 3: you would never let anybody sit around your table. I'm
Speaker 3: getting a little emotion. You would never let anybody sit
Speaker 3: around your table and say something crazy because of our relationship,
Speaker 3: the love that we have for each other, the love
Speaker 3: that you extended to my wife, to my five children.
Speaker 3: No one would get away with that in the Thomas household.
Speaker 3: And so that's my point. We have to do better
Speaker 3: as a American to stand up for what's right when
Speaker 3: no one's watching. Christmas is a great time to do it.
Speaker 3: Our families are coming together. People say things that are outrageous,
Speaker 3: and I'm asking people who love me, who like me,
Speaker 3: who care about me, who respect me, to shine a
Speaker 3: light on anybody who's saying anything disparaging in your homes.
Speaker 3: Stand up and say, you know what, that's not who
Speaker 3: we are. You don't have to be negative. You can
Speaker 3: just say that's not I don't think that joke is funny,
Speaker 3: and I tell you it makes a big difference in
Speaker 3: our American families. If we all just did that little bit,
Speaker 3: what we could be the penny. We could be the penny.
Speaker 3: We could be the guy on the subway that's standing
Speaker 3: up for what's right.
Speaker 1: Well, see, and that's why I love living in America,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm a little low libertarian. America is
Speaker 1: filled with all kinds of people. And isn't it a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that we don't live in some oppressive regime
Speaker 1: that will literally kill you for, for example, being gay.
Speaker 1: And we know there are countries in the world that
Speaker 1: will do that violates their religion or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: don't get that any religion could you know, kill someone
Speaker 1: or hate someone merely because of their sexuality. And we
Speaker 1: all need to learn to play nicely together and freedom,
Speaker 1: liberty and allowing people to live their lives as they
Speaker 1: see fit as long as they're not bumping into what
Speaker 1: I live and how I live my life. I'm great.
Speaker 1: I can play nice in the sandbox. And I know
Speaker 1: you feel the same way. Christopher Smithman, God bless you, Yeah.
Speaker 3: God bless you. Brian Thomas. People can follow me on
Speaker 3: social media media at vote Smitherman and I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: If we we'll talk again, oh yeah, by chance we don't.
Speaker 3: But if by chance we don't marry Christmas to you, okay,
Speaker 3: I know we will, but by chance we don't marry Christmas.
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