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Speaker 1: on your home of showy Otani and the Dodgers A
Speaker 1: five seventy LA Sports. After dominating Game one, Dodgers come
Speaker 1: back yesterday in a bullpen game. They give it up early.
Speaker 1: They lose to the Mets seven to three. As we
Speaker 1: are now tied at a game of pieace and this
Speaker 1: best of seven NLCS a day off today, both teams
Speaker 1: will work out at City Field later on this afternoon.
Speaker 1: Early evening Game three tomorrow from New York. First pitch
Speaker 1: at five oh eight Pacific, Walker Bueller and Luis Severino
Speaker 1: the pitching matchup, and the Dodgers, now in New York
Speaker 1: for Games three, four, and five, need to get a
Speaker 1: win in order to get it back to LA for
Speaker 1: a chance in Game six, possibly Game seven. But this
Speaker 1: series is all nottted up now at a game of
Speaker 1: piece thanks to Mike Marshall joining us last hour, one
Speaker 1: of saxy'est teammates from the nineteen eighty eight World Series
Speaker 1: championship team. We'll get back to your phone calls in
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes, but now to bring us
Speaker 1: now up, joining us now from MLB Series XM Radio.
Speaker 1: You hear him on there as one of the hosts,
Speaker 1: three times World Series champion, nearly two decades as a
Speaker 1: pitcher in the major leagues. He won those World Series
Speaker 1: with the New York Yankees. He has Mike stant and
Speaker 1: he joins us now here on a five to seventy
Speaker 1: LA Sports Mike, Good morning, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm doing well. It's a beautiful day down
Speaker 4: here in the Greater Houston area and we got playoff baseball,
Speaker 4: so everything's good man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely got Game three coming up tomorrow night. From
Speaker 1: a wide perspective, looking at this NLCS the first two games,
Speaker 1: contrasting games, the Dodgers dominated with Jack Flaherty and the
Speaker 1: offense in Game one yesterday. In Game two, a bullpen
Speaker 1: game that well didn't go to script for Dave Roberts
Speaker 1: and Mark Pryor the pitching coach, and they fell behind early,
Speaker 1: couldn't get the big hits late, and here we are
Speaker 1: tied up at a game of piece. Your thoughts is
Speaker 1: so far and what you've seen in these first two games,
Speaker 1: you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of what I expected. I mean, you know, if
Speaker 4: you look on paper, the Dodgers definitely have a better lineup,
Speaker 4: the rotation. You have to give the edge to the Mets,
Speaker 4: but I think he just overall, you would say that
Speaker 4: the Dodgers are probably a better team, except that the
Speaker 4: Mets just seem to have that hit factor this year.
Speaker 4: They have something going on. They're playing with extreme confidence, uh,
Speaker 4: and they're they're getting big hits when they need it,
Speaker 4: you know. Getting over the Game one loss, I was
Speaker 4: on an MLB network radio. We were talking about this
Speaker 4: nine nothing, that's no big deal. It's game one, Okay,
Speaker 4: you got plenty of series left. It wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 4: you were really in the ball game after about the
Speaker 4: fourth or fifth inning anyway, So you know, you go
Speaker 4: get get a good dinner, go to bed, get get
Speaker 4: up the next day and take it to them. And
Speaker 4: you know, the problem that the Dodgers are going to
Speaker 4: have is going to be that rotation. You know, even
Speaker 4: with even with Bueller going tonight, do you know exactly
Speaker 4: what you're gonna get? I don't think so. How long
Speaker 4: is he going to go? Not sure? You know, those
Speaker 4: are going to be questions and that have to be answered.
Speaker 4: I also think this is going to be a long series.
Speaker 4: I think this game, this series goes at least six
Speaker 4: And with the way the Dodgers have always used their
Speaker 4: bullpen in the postseason, that's going to be a problem
Speaker 4: when you get later in the series, because any it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how good your bullpen is, anybody, any reliever,
Speaker 4: can suffer from overexposure. You know, hitters just see you
Speaker 4: more and more, they got a better chance of hitting you.
Speaker 4: And then also fatigue because of how often they're going
Speaker 4: to have to pitch in this series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike, great, to be with you today, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm doing good, buddy. And I got a chance to
Speaker 5: be on with Joyce and Memelo the other day, so
Speaker 5: I was in hog heaven being on with those two guys. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I think you're right on about the Bueller thing. We
Speaker 5: need Bueller. The Dodgers need Bueller to go along and
Speaker 5: kind of reset this whole thing and kind of give
Speaker 5: a little shock treatment so that that bullpen isn't taxed
Speaker 5: so much. But I wanted to ask you a little
Speaker 5: bit about coming from the sever Reino perspective, this is
Speaker 5: a guy that's on nine days rest, and I know
Speaker 5: partially that was on design, because this guy was stretched
Speaker 5: this year. He's pitched over for one hundred innings more
Speaker 5: than than he ever has before, and he was a
Speaker 5: little taxed down towards the end of the season. He
Speaker 5: had an over five e R in his last five starts.
Speaker 5: Coming from that perspective, what does Severarino have to do
Speaker 5: to attack this very very potent lineup that can be
Speaker 5: very dangerous as far as the left handed hitters go
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 4: I mean, if if we want to make it overly simplistic, Steve,
Speaker 4: and I know that's how you like the world. Uh,
Speaker 4: it's he's got it. We just wish it was all
Speaker 4: that way, right. Uh, he's gonna have to spend time
Speaker 4: in the zone early in the account. You know, I
Speaker 4: think one of the things that we have seen from
Speaker 4: this Dodger team all year offensively is you know, they're
Speaker 4: they're not a free swinging team. This is a team
Speaker 4: that that's gonna make you throw strikes and they're just
Speaker 4: not going to expand the zone. And so that that
Speaker 4: just puts that much more pressure on any opposing pritch
Speaker 4: pitcher to get ahead in the account. I mean, you
Speaker 4: get ahead in the account. Now, that puts the hitter
Speaker 4: on his heels a little bit. Now he has to
Speaker 4: at least go to the corners instead of just waiting
Speaker 4: for cookies down the middle. So uh and and you know,
Speaker 4: the time off for Severino probably did him, did him. Uh,
Speaker 4: it was good for him. His last time out, he
Speaker 4: threw the ball exceptionally well. But again, you're talking about
Speaker 4: going against a Philadelphia Phillies team that was a free
Speaker 4: swinging team. So what are you gonna expect, I you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. You're you're gonna have
Speaker 4: to if he can if he can get through control
Speaker 4: the emotions. And this goes for Bueller also get through
Speaker 4: that first couple innings and kind of get into the
Speaker 4: flow of the game and get your legs back under
Speaker 4: you and not have to have too many pressure pitches
Speaker 4: early in the game. Uh, it could end up being
Speaker 4: a pitcher stool who you know, We really don't know,
Speaker 4: but you know, I thought Sean and I especially early
Speaker 4: in the game while the Mets were scoring, we're scoring,
Speaker 4: he did a nice job of holding that offense down.
Speaker 4: But it you know, that's what I said. This is
Speaker 4: a this is one of this could go either way.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is fifth. I mean, I know it's
Speaker 4: one and one, But if you had to, if I
Speaker 4: had to pick who's gonna win this series, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I really could, because you know, the Mets
Speaker 4: just seem to have that it factor this year that
Speaker 4: you know, the way they've won some of these series,
Speaker 4: you know, getting out of the getting out of the
Speaker 4: regular season. I mean it's been it's been. Uh it's
Speaker 4: pretty been pretty incredible what's been going on for the
Speaker 4: Mets this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that it factor, Mike, is a scary thing
Speaker 5: because you it's like a ghost you really it could
Speaker 5: be something a little bit different today, a little bit
Speaker 5: different tomorrow. I don't know what it is, but it's
Speaker 5: called the it and they got it.
Speaker 4: It is, and you know, confidence is extremely high. I
Speaker 4: thought that what they had to do, they did exactly
Speaker 4: what they needed to do yesterday, which is get off,
Speaker 4: to get off to a quick start, put the first
Speaker 4: runs on the board, and it starts with you know,
Speaker 4: who's probably going to be second n MVP in the
Speaker 4: National League this year with Lindor with the leadoff home run.
Speaker 4: And I think that just kind of you could almost
Speaker 4: see on the bench everybody just take a big exhale,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, they started letting the ball fly,
Speaker 4: They started letting the bats fly and score five runs
Speaker 4: in the fifth or in the second, and then from there.
Speaker 4: Now you just got a.
Speaker 1: Hold on Mike Stanton joining us here on a five
Speaker 1: to seventy LA Sports. You can hear Mike on Series
Speaker 1: XM's MLB Network Radio. Three time World Series champ with
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees. You're the perfect person to come
Speaker 1: on today and talk about what happened yesterday and what
Speaker 1: was a bullpen game for the Dodgers, Ryan Brazier gives
Speaker 1: up an early home run of the first batter Francisco
Speaker 1: Lindor Landon Nack didn't have it. They don't use any
Speaker 1: of their high leverage relievers. Felt like Dave Roberts could
Speaker 1: have gone off script. It was certainly a different script,
Speaker 1: and they had in Game four against the Padres in
Speaker 1: the NLDS where everything lined up perfectly a relievers nine
Speaker 1: shoutout eddings against San Diego didn't go the way they
Speaker 1: wanted yesterday. As a relief pitcher, Mike, the pressures are
Speaker 1: going in and being perfect and then linking that chain
Speaker 1: in a bullpen game. It's so hard to do. Will
Speaker 1: the Dodgers just kind of walking that tight that tight
Speaker 1: rope anyways, Having to do it a second time here
Speaker 1: in the postseason.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's why I said earlier that you
Speaker 4: have to give at least the nod to the Mets
Speaker 4: as far as rotation is concerned, because at least they
Speaker 4: have a starting pitcher to go every day. You know
Speaker 4: where the and and you know the Dodgers are probably
Speaker 4: if this goes if this series goes deep, they're probably
Speaker 4: gonna have to do this again. The thing is bullpenning works.
Speaker 4: We know it does. We've seen every team across Major
Speaker 4: League Baseball at some point in the season to have
Speaker 4: to run just your whole bullpen out there. Steve, you're
Speaker 4: the offense, You're you're the hitter. You know that is
Speaker 4: facing a different pitcher every at that, especially the way
Speaker 4: bullpens are orchestrated now, because that's where your best stuff is.
Speaker 4: It's not in rotations, it's in bullpens. It's just hard
Speaker 4: to score runs. It's hard to string string hits together,
Speaker 4: and really, what do you have to do. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a walk, a bloop, and a blast. That's how
Speaker 4: you score runs. You're just not going to score You're
Speaker 4: just not going to have five or six hits strung together.
Speaker 4: The problem is that was worst case scenario for the
Speaker 4: Dodgers because you you give it up early and now
Speaker 4: you still have all those innings you still you have
Speaker 4: to cover with your bullpen. Now, the good thing about
Speaker 4: the postseason is you know every few days you're going
Speaker 4: to have an off day and that that absolutely helps bullpens.
Speaker 4: But you know, bullpen works well until it doesn't. And
Speaker 4: that's what happened yesterday for the Dodgers. But luckily they weren't.
Speaker 4: They didn't have to completely empty the bullpen to get
Speaker 4: through the nine innings, and they were able to you know,
Speaker 4: they were able to save some of their their leverage guys,
Speaker 4: so you know, it wasn't a complete and total disaster.
Speaker 4: They were in the ballgame by the end of the game.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, the Dodgers bullpen is going to
Speaker 4: have to work a lot in this series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike. And that brings me to Walker Buller. Wanted
Speaker 5: to get your take his last outing of the regular
Speaker 5: season really good. I believe he went six innings. Then
Speaker 5: he had the scuff up in the in the first
Speaker 5: game in the postseason where he gave up those runs,
Speaker 5: But after those runs, he shut him down pretty good.
Speaker 5: I like the the the body language I see from
Speaker 5: Walker Bueller. He looks very healthy, he looks energetic, he
Speaker 5: looks like he's really got something to prove. I wanted
Speaker 5: to get your take on Walker Bueller and could it
Speaker 5: just be the time is right now for him to
Speaker 5: come in and get a shutdown that this bullpen desperately
Speaker 5: needs as well.
Speaker 4: Oh, it could be. And we know that Walker, We've
Speaker 4: seen him in previous postseasons. He's a guy that can
Speaker 4: rise to the occasion. Still has tremendous stuff, and you
Speaker 4: know he pitches with even if you don't see it
Speaker 4: all the time, he pitches with a lot of emotion.
Speaker 4: He's out there. He's a bulldog, a bulldog type pitcher. So,
Speaker 4: uh yeah, he could. I mean, that's that's what that's
Speaker 4: the other side of not knowing what you're gonna get.
Speaker 4: I mean, could you could he go out there and
Speaker 4: just shove? Of course he could. I mean, he's got
Speaker 4: the stuff to do it, He's got the mentality and
Speaker 4: if you know, if he's feeling healthy, yeah, this could
Speaker 4: be a good thing. So you know, we'll just have
Speaker 4: to wait and see what happens tomorrow night. But you know,
Speaker 4: you would love to have him rolling going into the postseason. Now,
Speaker 4: the other side of this is if he is a
Speaker 4: completely healthy you know, he doesn't have the wear and
Speaker 4: tear that like a Severino does. Severino had to take
Speaker 4: a break because he's thrown, you know, more than he
Speaker 4: has in the last several years. So uh, you know,
Speaker 4: that's one of those things that you just really don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, you kind of play the odds and you
Speaker 4: go with it. But is there a chance that Bueler
Speaker 4: can go out there and and and you know, throw
Speaker 4: six or seven shut out? Of course there is.
Speaker 1: He is Mike Stanton. Check him on on Serious xm
Speaker 1: MLB Radio. Mike, we appreciate you jumping on this morning
Speaker 1: giving your perspective on what's happening in this NLCS through
Speaker 1: two games. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mike, anytime, gentlemen, it was fun, all right?
Speaker 1: There he goes Mike Stanton, three time World Series champion
Speaker 1: with the New York Yankees, nearly two decades, pitching out
Speaker 1: of the bullpen for my seven different teams in the
Speaker 1: major leafe.
Speaker 5: He if anybody knows Mike Stanton knows. He's so great
Speaker 5: on the air. I really like listening to him. He's
Speaker 5: one of the guys Like I'm going into the store
Speaker 5: and I'm listening to MLB Network Radio, and even though
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna work there anymore, I still got some
Speaker 5: good information there. And Stanton's on. I'm I'm gonna stay
Speaker 5: in my truck and listen to him finish, and then
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go shop because he's got the great information.
Speaker 5: The guy. I mean, that's why I love guys that
Speaker 5: played because they can give you those those nuggets. Man,
Speaker 5: he's got a lot of good nuggets to give us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate him. Jumping on eight six six, nine eighty
Speaker 1: seven two five seventy. Dodgers and Mets now tied at
Speaker 1: a game of piece after losing Game two yesterday. The
Speaker 1: Dodgers need to bounce back tomorrow in Game three. Walker Rueler,
Speaker 1: he will get the ball, probably his biggest start of
Speaker 1: the season, no doubt. The Dodgers need him to go
Speaker 1: out and give him some length. Help out this Dodgers' bullpen,
Speaker 1: which is gonna have to pitch over the course of
Speaker 1: three games in three days. And again that's something that
Speaker 1: a lot of these Dodger high leverage relievers. These are
Speaker 1: older arms sacks. See this is an Evan Phillips. These
Speaker 1: are Daniel Hudson's. These are Blake Trinon's, These are Michael Kopek.
Speaker 1: These are guys who've got a lot of innings this year,
Speaker 1: but have got a lot of stats on the back
Speaker 1: of their baseball cards to show for. And you got
Speaker 1: three games in three days. They haven't done it. None
Speaker 1: of these guys have pitched three days in a row
Speaker 1: this season. This is gonna be huge for starting pitching
Speaker 1: to help them out to get out and alleviate some
Speaker 1: of this pressure for the bullpen.
Speaker 5: That's why I asked him about Bueller and his assessment
Speaker 5: of Walker, and he was right on. I mean when
Speaker 5: he said, could Walker go out there and you know,
Speaker 5: pitch six or seventies and shut him down completely? Absolutely,
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised
Speaker 5: at all if Walker did that tomorrow night. Not I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: He's president eight.
Speaker 1: Six, six, nine eighty seven, two five seventy. We'll take
Speaker 1: a time out, we'll come back, We'll get to your roof,
Speaker 1: phone calls the rest of the way, and a lot
Speaker 1: of you Dodger fans still upset about what happened yesterday,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers letting Game two get away from an early,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers unable to come back offensively with the big
Speaker 1: hit late. They were right there though, with the chance
Speaker 1: in the sixth, in the seventh, in the eighth, they
Speaker 1: showed some fight late just wasn't enough, and now they're
Speaker 1: tied at a game apiece. Game three of the NLCS
Speaker 1: is coming up tomorrow night. Were of course You're a
Speaker 1: home of the Dodgers and five seventy LA Sports Saxic
Speaker 1: Kates and then makes the mic stand from series XMMLB
Speaker 1: Radio for joining us three time world soon He's champ,
Speaker 1: former Big League reliever joined us here on Saxon, Kates
Speaker 1: and the Am and the Dodgers and Mattis are all
Speaker 1: tied up at a game in peace in this NLCS
Speaker 1: Game one of the ALCS last night in New York,
Speaker 1: the Yankees and the Cleveland Guardians. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you had a chance to check out any of that
Speaker 1: Game one between the Yankees and Guardians. Jane Carlos Stanton
Speaker 1: no relation to Mike stand by the way, unbelievable. I
Speaker 1: mean where he kind of came. It was Aaron Judge
Speaker 1: all regular season, like the Judge Show, you know, all
Speaker 1: rise and now it's gen Carlo Stanton in the postseason
Speaker 1: has absolutely taken over.
Speaker 5: Oh this You want to talk about hitting a missile?
Speaker 1: Oh my lord?
Speaker 5: Even when he misses it, it goes hard. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think the most awesome home run I've seen John
Speaker 5: Carlo hit, I've seen him hit several of them, but
Speaker 5: the one particular type I'm talking about is not the
Speaker 5: not the unbelievable three hundred feet high, four hundred and
Speaker 5: sixty foot launch pad that he hits to left center field.
Speaker 5: And I'm not even talking about one of those. I'm
Speaker 5: talking about the three hundred and forty foot six foot
Speaker 5: high missile right down the right field line that gets
Speaker 5: out of there before the TV camera can can to
Speaker 5: switch to it. It's out of there like in a
Speaker 5: second and a half and it never gets higher than
Speaker 5: the fence. I mean maybe eight feet high, but that
Speaker 5: thing is gone in a flash. I mean, this guy's
Speaker 5: got ridiculous power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yankees got home runs from Soto last night
Speaker 1: in the third. They get a home run from Stanton
Speaker 1: the seventh. They also got helped out Alex Cobb, the
Speaker 1: former Giant now Guardian starter, through two wild pitches in
Speaker 1: the third inning to score two runs for the Yankees.
Speaker 1: So you're not necessarily helping yourselves out there. But Guardians
Speaker 1: did come back with a run in the sixth and
Speaker 1: then run the eighth and make it a five to
Speaker 1: two game. The Yankees win Game one of the ALCS,
Speaker 1: so keeping an eye on that series. The Guardians a
Speaker 1: ninety two win team, a really good squad that nobody
Speaker 1: talks about there with Steven Voit, there's their head coat
Speaker 1: or their their manager, excuse me, in his first year
Speaker 1: taking over and done a really good job there with
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Guardians, the Yankees. So a one to zero
Speaker 1: series lead in this ALCS, Dodgers and Mets. There tied
Speaker 1: at a game at peace, go back out to the phones.
Speaker 1: A lot of Dodger fans not happy about way Game
Speaker 1: two played out for the Dodgers in a bullpen game
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers offense not coming through late. Keek Hernandez
Speaker 1: a couple of opportunities to provide a big hit in
Speaker 1: the sixth and the eighth inning, but popped out and
Speaker 1: hit into a double play as the Dodgers lose seven
Speaker 1: to three. Let's go to Andy and San Dimaz. Thanks
Speaker 1: for waiting patiently, Andy, welcome to SAX and Kate to
Speaker 1: the am. How you doing, Hey good?
Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 1: Yeah go ahead, Andy.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I've actually got a story for you real
Speaker 6: quick about a current Dodger, but back when he was
Speaker 6: playing Triple A. So I am from Buffalo, New York.
Speaker 6: Originally I moved to LA in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 6: Great time to adopt the Dodgers as my MLB team,
Speaker 6: diehard fan ever since. But every summer I go back
Speaker 6: home to Buffalo and I watch a series of Triple
Speaker 6: A Bisen's Baseball. About three years ago, I want to say,
Speaker 6: I was with my daughters. I've got a thirteen and
Speaker 6: eleven year old. We watched a game. The game was over.
Speaker 6: After the game, players stick around sign stuff for the kids.
Speaker 6: There was one player that stayed until the final two
Speaker 6: kids got something signed. Those two kids were my daughters
Speaker 6: and there were two balls that player signed them, talked
Speaker 6: to them, shook their hand, was incredibly kind to them.
Speaker 6: Fast forward to this past summer. I'm in Niagara Falls
Speaker 6: and my summer trip with my dad. We're eating, we're
Speaker 6: watching We're watching All Star Game home Run Derby highlights.
Speaker 6: My dad looks over to me and he's like, when
Speaker 6: did Taskar Hernandez become a Dodger? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this offseason and he was like, Oh, that's who the
Speaker 6: girls have a signed ball from. The dude as a
Speaker 6: Buffalo Bison at that time, was just sticking around, hanging
Speaker 6: with the kids, making sure everyone was happy. We have
Speaker 6: to resign this guy. I just wanted to share some love,
Speaker 6: some good story stories after that awful defeat. Thanks for
Speaker 6: taking my call. We're going to take it though, Go Dodgers.
Speaker 1: All right, Andy, appreciate the phone call. Yeah. Love hearing
Speaker 1: those stories because baseball players, for the most part great guys.
Speaker 1: They love the fans and love hearing those stories about
Speaker 1: them taking care of the fans, even in triple A Buffalo,
Speaker 1: that great, beautiful thing. You were a man of the people,
Speaker 1: sexy still are.
Speaker 5: Well try to be.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Look, there's times where I've signed an autograph for a
Speaker 5: kid and it turns out, you know, now when they're
Speaker 5: grown up and they're thirty five years old and they
Speaker 5: have a family, and hey, I remember you signed that
Speaker 5: ball for me, and you you know, yeah, you were
Speaker 5: nice to me, And that thing really does make a difference.
Speaker 5: And I'd love to hear these stories like tay Oscar
Speaker 5: had just shown right there and it was kind enough
Speaker 5: to sign for his little girls. I mean, that is
Speaker 5: a great thing. That's what makes baseball great right there,
Speaker 5: So thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1: It's what differentiates baseball for I think, from football and
Speaker 1: basketball at the pro level. To me, NBA players are
Speaker 1: just so far away from fans as far as the
Speaker 1: connection with them. They're on a different planet. Football players.
Speaker 1: They're faceless players you see out there in uniforms in
Speaker 1: battle every Sunday or Monday, and there's no real connection.
Speaker 1: There's no back and forth to the fans. Baseball it's
Speaker 1: all about the fans, whether it's because there's one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two games or because of minor league baseball
Speaker 1: and getting to know players when they're eighteen, nineteen, twenty
Speaker 1: years old and then see them rise to the major
Speaker 1: leagues and see them become superstars. That connection is just different.
Speaker 1: It's different than any other sport out there.
Speaker 5: Yes it is. And the fact that baseball is such
Speaker 5: a connection with numbers, and we're a numbers society today
Speaker 5: and numbers really connect players to certain things, like everybody
Speaker 5: knows what seven to fourteen means, right, Yeah, we all
Speaker 5: know that baby Ruth hit that many home runs, et cetera.
Speaker 5: And so that goes along with the players as well,
Speaker 5: having that connection with numbers and in the fans, and
Speaker 5: it's just it all works out in a really nice fashion.
Speaker 5: So it's great.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Robin and the OC down in Orange County, Robin,
Speaker 1: good morning, you're Sax and Kates and am how you doing.
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 6: Martin?
Speaker 7: I'm good you guys, thanks for taking my call. I
Speaker 7: just had a comment regarding the pitching that we're blessed with.
Speaker 7: And you know, the orthopedic surgeon, you have a video
Speaker 7: of him giving an interview about how many pitchers actually
Speaker 7: come back, you know, when they have a second you know,
Speaker 7: shoulder surgery, and he said that the statistic is less
Speaker 7: than twenty percent. So I'm not surprised by any of
Speaker 7: them that are repeat surgery candidates and then they try
Speaker 7: to come back and they they fail, you know. And
Speaker 7: he said, I don't think he's I mean, he's never
Speaker 7: seen one come back.
Speaker 1: We've seen Daniel Hudson is an example of a guy
Speaker 1: who's come back from to Tommy John Surgery's Robin appreciate
Speaker 1: the phone call, the check it in this morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tim, when Robin said that was very she was
Speaker 5: right onto something. But it's shoulder surgery. Shoulder surgery is
Speaker 5: very hard to come back from. Elbow surgery is a
Speaker 5: different story. Lots of guys come back from elbow surgery,
Speaker 5: but not shoulder surgery. That's a different animal. It's a
Speaker 5: lot more complex than an elbow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Earl Herscheiser will talk about the difficulties of
Speaker 1: coming back from a shoulder injury and what he had
Speaker 1: to deal with late in his career coming back from that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I look at Gavin Stone of the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: what a great season he had from a minor league
Speaker 1: pitcher of the year for the Dodgers just a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Got a bright future ahead of him,
Speaker 1: and hopefully he can come back from his surgery he
Speaker 1: just had over the weekend. It wasn't Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1: It was shoulder surgery for Gavin Stone. And when you
Speaker 1: just said that and I saw the report that Gavinstone
Speaker 1: had shoulder surgery, the first thing I thought about was
Speaker 1: Oral Herscheiser and him talking about how what you just said,
Speaker 1: it's so harder to come back from a shoulder injury
Speaker 1: and surgery than it is from the Tommy John surgery
Speaker 1: that so many players are having now. I mean, Daniel Hudson,
Speaker 1: I read the Jeff Passing book seven eight years ago
Speaker 1: when it came out called the Arm talking about Tommy
Speaker 1: John surgery and the history of it and how it's
Speaker 1: prevalent now in minor leagues and certainly high school, in
Speaker 1: college and even younger than that. And he followed Daniel
Speaker 1: Hudson and Hiss comeback from the Tommy John surgery and
Speaker 1: the second one that he had one. Yeah, and here
Speaker 1: he is, Daniel Hudson pitched in Game one of the NLCS,
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully it's gonna be a big part
Speaker 1: of this Dodger NLCS run here into a World Series. Still,
Speaker 1: but he's come back from to Tommy John surgery. So
Speaker 1: we're we're now in that era zaxy where we're gonna
Speaker 1: see more of this Walker Buehler. Second Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna see now a second And I just wonder,
Speaker 1: are we ever gonna get to a day where, God
Speaker 1: forbid we see a third Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 5: We see a different picture come out of high school
Speaker 5: with Tommy John surgery. Some but they've been able to
Speaker 5: rely on it so much. There's sometimes where somebody is
Speaker 5: involved in a trade or somebody gets drafted, and they
Speaker 5: will draft them even though they're going into Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 5: Yea knowing and depend counting on the fact that they'll rehab.
Speaker 5: And sometimes when you come out of Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 5: You actually throw harder, So you know, it depends on
Speaker 5: how the wear and tear was down towards the end
Speaker 5: before the surgery. Get it done, and then they come
Speaker 5: back with a new arm and here you go.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was reading something over the weekend that the Yankees
Speaker 1: team doctor has developed a tweak to the Tommy John
Speaker 1: surgery that apparently now it's a quicker return instead of
Speaker 1: sixteen to eighteen months, it's more like twelve months now.
Speaker 1: And it could be a development. And because think about
Speaker 1: the Tommy John surgeries. Just celebrated his fiftieth anniversary and
Speaker 1: since then we haven't had a drastic chain in the
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery. I'm sure they've tweaked it and fine
Speaker 1: tuned it, but for the most part, it's the same
Speaker 1: surgery Doctor Joe performed on Tommy John fifty years ago.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time with technology in the way,
Speaker 1: we advance medicine so much that we get to a
Speaker 1: point now that they're able to come up with a
Speaker 1: tweak to the surgery. Certainly, the human body can only
Speaker 1: recover at a certain pace at a certain rate, but
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. But the surgery itself. I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised that it's been fine tuned.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's a great thing. And believe me, that's
Speaker 5: six months difference turnaround and the recovery is probably better.
Speaker 5: And you can imagine what kind of a difference that's
Speaker 5: going to make on professional baseball. I mean, this could
Speaker 5: be a huge difference as opposed to going in for
Speaker 5: eighteen months to two years. Walker Buehlers had the long
Speaker 5: side of it, especially the second time around, trying to
Speaker 5: get himself to where he is now. So yeah, cutting
Speaker 5: that thing down to a year would be huge.
Speaker 1: It would be a big thing for baseball, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. I mean the Dodgers you mentioned, guys who
Speaker 1: need to have Tommy John surgery. I mean it's there's
Speaker 1: numerous cases of that in baseball, where they'll pick a
Speaker 1: player and knowing that, all right, we're looking at the
Speaker 1: long term, We're looking at what he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to do down the road, knowing that we'll be
Speaker 1: able to draft him and we'll be able to work
Speaker 1: with him after we get the surgery. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Justin Robleski is an example of that for the
Speaker 1: Dodgers who needed surgery and got it done, and they
Speaker 1: drafted him despite that, and they fall in the draft
Speaker 1: and they know that, all right, we'll get this guy
Speaker 1: at a bargain. We'll give him a discounted rate, knowing
Speaker 1: that Tommy John surgery. But we also know that in
Speaker 1: two seasons from now he'll be a big factor, hopefully
Speaker 1: in rising up through the minor leagues. Let's go to
Speaker 1: Mario and Rancho Kouka Manga out in the nine on nine. Mario,
Speaker 1: good morning, how you doing.
Speaker 3: Hey, good morning, Kim, Good morning, Steve. I wanted to
Speaker 3: have I had like a little a little comment thank
Speaker 3: you for bringing on Mike Marshall. Back in eighty eight.
Speaker 3: We sat in the left field pavilion. My dad caught
Speaker 3: of Mike Marshall's home runs incidentally in eighty eight. Yessi Rosco.
Speaker 3: He's playing for the Dodgers, and that's my uncle. Oh
Speaker 3: so went threw the balls down to the bullpen, because
Speaker 3: of course we sat right by the by the Dodger bullpen.
Speaker 3: And and then my uncle he signed it, so he
Speaker 3: grew back up for us. Yes, yes, that's that's my
Speaker 3: Mom's made a name Morosco.
Speaker 5: All right. Jesse Hancock junior college in mid central California.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, sir, Yes, sir. Yeah, I came up through
Speaker 3: the Giants farm system way back when.
Speaker 5: Man, that's amazing. It's a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Jesse Rosco pitched forever he did? Was he like twenty
Speaker 1: years seventy nine? I did a career in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three with the Twins.
Speaker 5: Wow, twenty four years.
Speaker 1: I mean that that is unbelievable.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: What's he doing nowadays?
Speaker 8: Mario living at the side of the last you know,
Speaker 8: he's uh as from from from my understanding is that
Speaker 8: he has a ranch and he's just you know, had
Speaker 8: living the good life, you know, kind of like Mirk
Speaker 8: Marshall under the radar, just uh, you know, living the
Speaker 8: good life.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. Mar I appreciate you checking in, man.
Speaker 5: That's uh. Thanks a lot of guys, Thanks Mario.
Speaker 1: Jesse O Rosco the only player in Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: history with more than twelve hundred games pitched with more
Speaker 1: than one thousand inherited runners. I mean, he was the
Speaker 1: ultimate reliever, wow in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember the sorta one time came out. I
Speaker 5: think he was I think he was during the playoffs
Speaker 5: against the Mets. It was you remember this y.
Speaker 1: It was he. It was right before Orhearseizer came in.
Speaker 5: This could have been one of my stories. Well maybe
Speaker 5: I'll share it with you. Let's now, so Tommy Thesorta
Speaker 5: comes out and gives you've heard the very famous tapings,
Speaker 5: Oh Tommy, the sorta raw you've heard him with the
Speaker 5: asking about you, what'd you think of Dave Kingman three
Speaker 5: run home run performance today, et cetera. You haven't ever
Speaker 5: heard one that he gave Jesse Roscoe. And I was
Speaker 5: right there and I heard every bit of it, and
Speaker 5: it was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 9: He was.
Speaker 5: He I can't tell you exactly what he said. I
Speaker 5: can't even tell you half of what he said, but
Speaker 5: let me tell you what you talk about, ripping somebody
Speaker 5: openly screaming, stuff flying out of his mouth. His eyes
Speaker 5: were bulging out, his gut was shaken everywhere, and he
Speaker 5: was gesturing and just giving him every four letter version
Speaker 5: of the word that you could possibly imagine. And it worked,
Speaker 5: It worked, he got out of the inning. But boy,
Speaker 5: did I've never seen anybody get berated like Jesse Rosco did.
Speaker 5: And he took it. He sat there and he stood
Speaker 5: there and took it. And I've never seen Tommy just
Speaker 5: give it to somebody, on and on and on the
Speaker 5: whole time. And he got out of the ending. I
Speaker 5: couldn't believe it. How he was just giving it to Jesse.
Speaker 1: That is unbelievable.
Speaker 5: And I mean usually Tommy would if he had something
Speaker 5: like that to do. He took you in his office,
Speaker 5: close the door, and let you have it, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. So why this case air mountain in
Speaker 5: front of everybody, Well, because this was right in the
Speaker 5: middle of a time where we needed him to step up.
Speaker 5: Tommy felt it, He felt the moment, and he said,
Speaker 5: this guy needs a big kick in the you know what,
Speaker 5: and he gave it to him. I don't think he
Speaker 5: thought twice about it. He was just improvising as he went.
Speaker 5: And man, I've never heard a rendition of the F
Speaker 5: word like I heard that day. It was incredible how
Speaker 5: he did it.
Speaker 1: Jesse Orosco, for the young baseball fans, retired when he
Speaker 1: was forty six years old. He was one of the
Speaker 1: oldest players to still be playing in the modern era
Speaker 1: when he retired. He's one of only thirty one players
Speaker 1: in the history of baseball to have appeared in not one,
Speaker 1: not two, not three, but four decades as a relief pitcher.
Speaker 5: Is that incredible?
Speaker 1: It is unreal he pitched in this is he pitched
Speaker 1: in twelve hundred games. Wow, in the course of his
Speaker 1: career and his arm is still hanging there on the
Speaker 1: left side. I'nbelievab watch all all those hittings, and I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to make sure I have the career. I
Speaker 1: don't think he ever had Tommy John surge. It would
Speaker 1: have tell me here, but yeah, I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 1: never had. I'm sure he had arm injuries, but never
Speaker 1: had Tommy John surgery. Twelve one hundred outings, that.
Speaker 5: Is just incredible. I mean I was teammates with him.
Speaker 5: I faced him, you know, I think anybody that played
Speaker 5: baseball could probably say that. You know, I was teammates
Speaker 5: and I faced him. I mean, how I'm looking at
Speaker 5: his I'm looking at his numbers right now, and I
Speaker 5: have to scroll on the page because it's so long.
Speaker 5: I mean, he leads the world with twelve hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty two games pitched.
Speaker 1: Right Matt's, Rodgers, Indians, Brewers, Orioles, Cardinals, Padres, Yankees, and twins.
Speaker 5: Yep, and through all that he had a three sixteen
Speaker 5: ERA that's pretty amazing. And he made a couple of
Speaker 5: All Star teams. He was third in the Cy Young
Speaker 5: voting back in nineteen eighty three. But you talk about
Speaker 5: a guy that had made two All Star Games early
Speaker 5: in his career and then after that it was it
Speaker 5: was just a good pitcher, you know. You know, he
Speaker 5: did lead the league in games back in nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 5: so that's uh, you know. I mean, he was a
Speaker 5: good pitcher. But for a guy to stay on that
Speaker 5: says a lot about his health. I mean, for a
Speaker 5: guy to stay and be it available that long and
Speaker 5: be healthy is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: A left handed specialist, Jesse Rosco, I don't think he
Speaker 1: had oblique injuries. I don't think he missed time because of.
Speaker 5: A I don't think he had a blister. Yea.
Speaker 1: He pitched, probably throw a lot of those Steve Sacks,
Speaker 1: Tim Kats and you it's Saxon Kates in the a
Speaker 1: m as a Dodgers and Mets head back to New
Speaker 1: York a workout later today. Game three of the NLCS
Speaker 1: is tomorrow night at City Field, well, of course at
Speaker 1: Maroango Casino Dodgers on deck beginning at four o'clock. First
Speaker 1: pitch from New York. At five oh eight, your phone calls.
Speaker 1: When we come back, leading into Colin Coward Rogan and
Speaker 1: Rodney Petro some money. A full day of great sports
Speaker 1: talk here on an five seventy l I Sports Saxon,
Speaker 1: Kates and Am until the top of the hour. Then
Speaker 1: it's calling Calherd Rogan to Rodney live in local at
Speaker 1: noon Petro some Money three to seven on this Tuesday,
Speaker 1: October fifteenth, day off in the NLCS, Game three tomorrow
Speaker 1: at City Field. Yesterday before Game two, Saxony, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you had a chance to see this. The
Speaker 1: guys on MLB on Fox, Kevin Burkhard, Alex Rodriguez, Big Poppy,
Speaker 1: David Ortiz, and of course Jeets Derek Jeter. We're on
Speaker 1: the field for pre game. They brought Clayton Kershaw over
Speaker 1: to this set there along the third base line, and
Speaker 1: we're talking baseball with him, having a lot of fun
Speaker 1: about how he would pitch to all three of those
Speaker 1: great hitters up on the stage, and then asked him
Speaker 1: how he's feeling after not pitching in the postseason, having
Speaker 1: the toe injury, but coming back overall from shoulder surgery
Speaker 1: that he had last offseason, and he dropped this little
Speaker 1: nuggets with the guys on Fox.
Speaker 10: Mentally, I feel great, you know, And I had shoulder
Speaker 10: surgery last offseason, and my shoulder and elbow everything, my
Speaker 10: arm feels great. Obviously I had some tough luck with
Speaker 10: my foot this year, but you know, I want to
Speaker 10: make use of the surgery. You know, I don't want
Speaker 10: to have surgery and then shut it down. So you know,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna come back next year and give it a
Speaker 10: go and you know, see how it goes.
Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw says he'll be back in twenty kenty five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like I like how he said it. You know,
Speaker 5: we'll see how it goes. And I think that's good.
Speaker 5: I want to see Clayton Kershaw retire with this vision
Speaker 5: of how great he was. I don't I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't want to see him hang on for a
Speaker 5: long time, even though some you know, people would have
Speaker 5: him there. And I know he loves a game and
Speaker 5: he's such a competitor, but he's a first ballot Hall
Speaker 5: of Famer. He obviously has nothing to prove. I want
Speaker 5: to see him go out, you know, as the big,
Speaker 5: unbelievable start he is. I don't want I don't want
Speaker 5: to see the vestiges of something that was once really
Speaker 5: really great. Yeah, you know, become a B level guy.
Speaker 5: You know, he's he's not that, he's a He's a
Speaker 5: all the way he is.
Speaker 1: Thirty six. The future Hall of Famer will be thirty
Speaker 1: seven next March, and something to keep in mind, he's
Speaker 1: just thirty seven strikeouts away from three thousand in his career.
Speaker 1: And not that he's not already a first ballot Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, but it's thirty thirty two strikeouts away from
Speaker 1: three thousand. Yeah, that has something pretty special compelling. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: He's got a player option for twenty twenty five to
Speaker 1: come back for the Dodgers.
Speaker 5: So there you go.
Speaker 1: It better being a Dodger uniform eighteen.
Speaker 5: Of course it'll be a Dodgery, of course, absolutely.
Speaker 1: John and Rositaz next up with that, and Kate in
Speaker 1: the A and thank should be doing.
Speaker 9: Hi guys, Hi, Steve and Tam, thank you for taking
Speaker 9: my call. I just had a couple of things. Well, first,
Speaker 9: you answered my first question with about Clayton Kershaw, I
Speaker 9: thought maybe he would come back sometime during this the
Speaker 9: NLDS for the World Series. But I answered that on
Speaker 9: that last segment there. But I had a couple of
Speaker 9: questions with with our advanced scouting, didn't we know about
Speaker 9: shaw Mania and his new delivery and pitching change that
Speaker 9: he could inform our guys so they didn't look like
Speaker 9: they were caught flat footed, you know. And then and
Speaker 9: then also yesterday, when Dave Roberts walked in door, I
Speaker 9: thought he should have done an unintentional, intentional walk at
Speaker 9: least maybe hit and swing something, because it seemed to
Speaker 9: backfire like the other teams that you know, walk with Tony,
Speaker 9: the next guy comes up and hurts you. So I
Speaker 9: wanted to hear your take on that, especially that intentional
Speaker 9: if you could just maybe would have swung and missed
Speaker 9: it something. It's better hit a three run homer than
Speaker 9: a Grand Slam. But just gets your take on that, guys,
Speaker 9: And thanks for taking my call, and go Dodgers, baby,
Speaker 9: are They's lot?
Speaker 5: John?
Speaker 1: The intentional walk to Lindor brought up Vientos so after
Speaker 1: the game said that he took it personal and hits
Speaker 1: the Grand Slam. Part of that five run Indian intentional
Speaker 1: walk put up the four whether you do that or
Speaker 1: you make him try to chase four pitches. I don't
Speaker 1: want to mess with Francisco Lindor.
Speaker 5: No, he did the right thing. I mean, look at hindsight.
Speaker 5: As always, hindsight's always twenty twenty. He did the right thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, you put him on, then you pitch to Vento's.
Speaker 5: But look, it is what it is. They certainly knew
Speaker 5: to answer his question, his first question. Everybody knew about
Speaker 5: Sean and I is a transformation as as a side
Speaker 5: cross body delivery whatever you call it now, the Chris
Speaker 5: Sale mode. Yeah, and he's what an effective pitcher and
Speaker 5: we already talked about that. So yes, they did know that.
Speaker 5: They have all the tape on him, They studied it.
Speaker 5: It was to no avail. He was just that good,
Speaker 5: especially early in.
Speaker 1: The Rick and san Pedro wrap things up here on
Speaker 1: this Tuesday edition at Sax and Kate today. Am how
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 5: Rick?
Speaker 8: Rick?
Speaker 1: Go ahead and you're on the air, Rick.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: Can't end it on that note. Isabelle Isabelle and Anaheim.
Speaker 1: You get into things here on a Tuesday edition. Hi
Speaker 1: is he.
Speaker 8: Hi?
Speaker 11: Well, I'm plady gone yesterday, you guys, so hopefully any
Speaker 11: CTLT I think they see so I think they're going.
Speaker 1: We'll probably go six, is he You're right? I think
Speaker 1: they could take two or three there in New York? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But first things first, got to take care of game
Speaker 1: three tomorrow night. On an off day like this, actually
Speaker 1: traveling like they did, not getting until two three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, a late workout tonight. What are these
Speaker 1: guys doing today? Off their feet? What are they doing?
Speaker 1: Sight seeing? Going on the Statue of Liberty?
Speaker 5: They're probably no, no, you're not doing that. They're probably
Speaker 5: still sleeping. They probably go to bed about three point
Speaker 5: thirty quarter to four, I would say, so, uh yeah,
Speaker 5: they're still sleeping, and they're just probably we're you know,
Speaker 5: getting up now. It's probably what noon there now, So yeah,
Speaker 5: they're gonna get up, get a little breakfast, late breakfast,
Speaker 5: go out to the yard and get a good night's
Speaker 5: sleep after the workout, and come out and rambling tomorrow.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a great event.
Speaker 1: Nice big slice of New York pizza, all problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's what I'd be doing right now, no doubt about it. Saxy,
Speaker 1: great show this morning, great toxatge Rdy. Mike Marshall will
Speaker 1: talk tomorrow. You bet, buddy, all right, Thanks to Zach,
Speaker 1: thanks to Michelle, Thanks to you for being a part
Speaker 1: of this show. The Dodgers will get up today and
Speaker 1: get ready for Game three tomorrow, which we'll have, of
Speaker 1: course right here on AFI seventy LA Sports. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: it's The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Rogan and Rodney at noon, Petchro,
Speaker 1: some money and three. Have a great rest of your
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Have faith, Dodger fans. The series shifts to
Speaker 1: New York tomorrow.