Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to fire Escape Cast. I
Speaker 1: am not Mike Maharty who usually leads us in, but
Speaker 1: I think I'm doing a pretty good job of it.
Speaker 1: My name is Mary or excited to get into lots
Speaker 1: of game and stuff for you guys today.
Speaker 2: I think he says that every week.
Speaker 1: I think he always says get into the gaming stuff, Dan,
Speaker 1: Is that how he does?
Speaker 3: He says that? But you said welcome to fire Escape Cast,
Speaker 3: which I've never heard it that way before. I think
Speaker 3: technically it's fire Escape Cast, but you know it's the
Speaker 3: fire Escape Cast, right, so we do we need to restart?
Speaker 4: You're like, God, damn it, I don't want to restart.
Speaker 1: I want all of this included. I'm not a fool. Sorry, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think this is based on our Twitter handle, which
Speaker 1: is like I couldn't cram in all the letters, and
Speaker 1: so some of our social media is the fire Escape Cast.
Speaker 1: Some of it is fire Escape Cast. Dude, I think
Speaker 1: on Blue Sky or fire Escape like no, the no cast. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I've mixed it up as a good
Speaker 1: social media professional will do. Dan, Thank you for that insight,
Speaker 1: and you will also notice because there is no Mike.
Speaker 1: We did need to find an awesome person to fill in,
Speaker 1: and I think we've done it.
Speaker 2: So everybody please.
Speaker 1: Welcome comedian gamer Cat enthusiast Lisa Wallin. Thanks for joining everything.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think now they've thought about it. I do
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 1: Some of us say that. I feel like in this
Speaker 1: industry it's kind of required to do too much, or
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to like survive. Like if someone was
Speaker 1: like I only cover JRPGs, it's like, good luck, buddy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I only have a podcast, Like, so you make
Speaker 4: ten dollars a week?
Speaker 2: Nice? So you live with your parents?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What percentage of comedians have their own podcast? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Too many? Including myself, I've had like I think this
Speaker 4: is my fifth podcast this week, or no, just I've started.
Speaker 1: Your individual This one's gonna say.
Speaker 4: This one's really gonna stick though, Guys.
Speaker 1: I got a good feeling about number.
Speaker 3: Five were we are missing Mike my hearty this week,
Speaker 3: And I was just trying to think, like, is he
Speaker 3: the most like because Mary, you and I were talking
Speaker 3: before this about like you know, how to move the
Speaker 3: show along and like the basic things we have to do.
Speaker 3: Is he the most like organized adult? Of the crew,
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 1: Shockingly, I will admit that I think Mike is the
Speaker 1: most organized of the three of us. I don't think
Speaker 1: that any of us are super duper organized.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty organized. You're in, he's out.
Speaker 1: We need like someone to keep us on track. I
Speaker 1: just here's the way I will put it, too.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm the one who's like, hey,
Speaker 1: three weeks out, I'm gonna be gone, or like I
Speaker 1: need to record on a weird day of the week.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I look ahead, but I can
Speaker 1: also lapse and go like two weeks without talking to
Speaker 1: you guys. Mike is the consistent one who's like, we
Speaker 1: have an ad read, we have uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: have something to do. Who's going to packs Like he's
Speaker 1: like he's actively thinking about what we're doing all the
Speaker 1: time and keeping us together.
Speaker 4: I think he's do you know Hecknor Navarro m he's
Speaker 4: my he's a comic book guy, but he's my co host,
Speaker 4: and we just go when can we record this week?
Speaker 4: Can you record tomorrow? We've done that, so we're very
Speaker 4: We both travel a lot and that's why we do
Speaker 4: bi weekly.
Speaker 3: Yes, we did keep ourselves sane because we all have
Speaker 3: day jobs and stuff. So it's even the bi weekly
Speaker 3: becomes difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I think it's a lifesaver though, because
Speaker 1: quite frankly, it's also a really good gap to play
Speaker 1: more games. I think if we did it weekly, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh God, what did I play? Or like
Speaker 1: I need to play something right now, whereas in two weeks,
Speaker 1: of course, I've played two to three games in two weeks, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I've had weekends in there for us to like to
Speaker 1: just muck around and do nothing. So I really have
Speaker 1: enjoyed the cadence that we've had, But it does not
Speaker 1: mean that on the occasional week we're like who can
Speaker 1: record in three hours?
Speaker 2: Because that's all we have.
Speaker 1: Mike's getting on a plane and I'm going on a
Speaker 1: drug bender, and Dan is something going wrong with his
Speaker 1: house or his mouth.
Speaker 3: Oh speaking, which both are going wrong right now?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with the inside or the outside.
Speaker 3: So the last weird one right now is the mouth yesterday.
Speaker 3: So if if you see me recoil, if I laugh
Speaker 3: during this podcast, it's because they put a big bolt
Speaker 3: screw thing in my face.
Speaker 4: Yes, what happened at the summer game fest.
Speaker 3: No, were you there that night when I got shot with? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 3: no shock, are you a witness? I didn't get injured
Speaker 3: doing that? I thought I did. I thought I could
Speaker 3: cuss you knock my teeth out, But no, this is
Speaker 3: just a lifetime of poor dental or eating too much
Speaker 3: candy probably, so I had to get an plant. So,
Speaker 3: as far as I can tell, nothing wacky happened there,
Speaker 3: but it's still not pleasant to uh. I didn't get
Speaker 3: put under. They gave me the laughing gas, and I
Speaker 3: had them cranking up as much a possible. But it
Speaker 3: turns out, even if it doesn't hurt, you can very
Speaker 3: much feel a piece of titanium screw going up into
Speaker 3: your skull. And that's really that.
Speaker 1: Had How did they go? Did they go too high?
Speaker 3: They said?
Speaker 4: It was like too high, they said it.
Speaker 3: And that's over an inch of a screw that went
Speaker 3: into my gums and into the bone. And I was
Speaker 3: kind of freaking out a little bit, even under the nitrous.
Speaker 3: So when it was going up, I was like, ah ha,
Speaker 3: and I raised my hand and they're like, oh God,
Speaker 3: are you feeling that? Are you feeling pain? You should
Speaker 3: be feeling pain? And I thought about it, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I guess it's not pain. I'm trying to explain to
Speaker 3: them it's weird. It's just weird. You can feel every
Speaker 3: turn of the fucking screw going up there. And it
Speaker 3: turns out that's not an issue that they need to
Speaker 3: stop for. So they were just like, I fuck it,
Speaker 3: and they just kept going up there. So, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: doing the whole soft food thing. I got the got
Speaker 3: the pudding and all that.
Speaker 4: Oh you're good. You're like a dog who got his
Speaker 4: teeth rooms.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, where's your cone?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I should get that.
Speaker 4: You're eating soft kibble.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to. I a little bit of cheese today,
Speaker 3: So that's looking all right. But so that's that's what's
Speaker 3: going wrong.
Speaker 1: And you can have cheese, that's your mouth surgery.
Speaker 3: I haven't. I have a surplus of cheese right now
Speaker 3: because I went to Wisconsin this weekend. But that's a
Speaker 3: different story. The really weird one is today. Okay, So
Speaker 3: I went to Wisconsin this weekend. My sister stayed in
Speaker 3: this room. I had a blow up mattress. Put it
Speaker 3: in here.
Speaker 1: This is this is where I stayed when I stayed
Speaker 1: in your house in same situation.
Speaker 3: So I get back from Wisconsin, Kyla flies home and
Speaker 3: walk in here and it kind of smells weird, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I have you know, known Kayla her entire life.
Speaker 3: I've never known her to be a smelly person. She's
Speaker 3: not a stupid person at all. I was like, why
Speaker 3: would it be stinking here? We she only slept in
Speaker 3: here one night, and it's been like four days since
Speaker 3: she was in here, and so I'm starting to think, like,
Speaker 3: is there something gross going on here? To the cat
Speaker 3: piss on something? Is there shit somewhere? I got two
Speaker 3: dogs and a cat. It could be something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm looking everywhere. I don't see it. And then today
Speaker 3: at least we do a show called Blight Club where
Speaker 3: we play terrible games and we have to dress up
Speaker 3: as the main character and I'm playing Pimp My Ride. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm doing Pimp My Ride for PS two right now.
Speaker 3: So they naturally sent me a pimpsuit for it. So
Speaker 3: I had this pimp suit that when I'm done with
Speaker 3: the stream, I just take it off and I throw
Speaker 3: it on the floor. It's not like nice clothes, so
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about if it's wrinkled or anything.
Speaker 3: We're twenty minutes before going live today and I still
Speaker 3: haven't figured out where the smell is coming from. Pick
Speaker 3: up the pimpsuit, dead mouse underneath it?
Speaker 4: Did she bring it in as a gift for you?
Speaker 3: No? I had nothing to do with my sister, certainly.
Speaker 3: I texted her there's anything. We're like, there's a deadality.
Speaker 4: You're just like, I don't know where to leave him,
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I think he has everything.
Speaker 3: I don't have that. Well, So now I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 3: new to the cat game here. I got a cat
Speaker 3: for it's been like two three months now. Is it
Speaker 3: a chance? Do I either a have an infestation of
Speaker 3: mice that's new or have I maybe always had mice?
Speaker 3: And now I'm just finding corpses because I've found two
Speaker 3: in the last week now, And is it because my
Speaker 3: cat is suddenly?
Speaker 4: You know what it is? It's because one mouse found
Speaker 4: out about your cheese collection and went to the other.
Speaker 3: Going to Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: There're all coming in for the cheese.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they know you're weak.
Speaker 4: From your dental surgery, so that they're taking advantage of
Speaker 4: your time.
Speaker 1: They don't know about the cat, which I think is
Speaker 1: probably killing the mice because a cat is a mouse killer.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed, honestly, Like I've heard, you know, you hear
Speaker 3: about cat and mice and stuff. But like last night,
Speaker 3: me and Bonk were watching a movie which Mary you
Speaker 3: recommended and we can talk about in a bit. But
Speaker 3: he was just locked in on this fly that he
Speaker 3: saw for like two hours. He was like jumping up
Speaker 3: near the screen and stuff, and he finally, after two hours,
Speaker 3: killed this fucking fly. I had no idea that cats
Speaker 3: could do that.
Speaker 1: Not only do they kill flies, they torture them. They
Speaker 1: like grab them and they like, oh yeah, bat them
Speaker 1: around a little bit, they give them concussions, They kind
Speaker 1: of like tear off their wings or their legs one
Speaker 1: by one. They like put them in their mouth and
Speaker 1: then spit them out. Cats are evil fuckers.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind cool.
Speaker 4: My cats are. My cats are sweeties, but yes, they
Speaker 4: would be evil if I let them outside.
Speaker 3: You have.
Speaker 4: I have two fact ones on the bed right now,
Speaker 4: just waiting for me to feed them dinner.
Speaker 3: It's doing the worts Tournament's back to you right like
Speaker 3: that I heard that.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's not seven pm, okay, It's like
Speaker 4: a cat power because they just want to hang out
Speaker 4: with me all the time. It's very precious, but also
Speaker 4: they're very annoying. Like I got two cats so that
Speaker 4: when I travel I didn't have to worry about them
Speaker 4: as much. But then anything like human with me right now,
Speaker 4: Like they don't bite or scratch or hiss, but they
Speaker 4: just love, they love attention. They want to be around
Speaker 4: everyone all the time. So I really got dogs, is
Speaker 4: what I got.
Speaker 1: That's what I have. They don't, but they wouldn't kill
Speaker 1: a mouse. If you had a mouse, would they hunt it?
Speaker 4: They would probably look at me and scream because they
Speaker 4: don't they share a brain cell, and it doesn't work
Speaker 4: very well.
Speaker 3: Do you cut their nails?
Speaker 4: Yes? I do. I do. I used to all the time.
Speaker 4: I haven't lately, but when I do, they do, they
Speaker 4: just submit. They're like no survival skills.
Speaker 3: That sounds completely different from mine, because like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think we were expecting almost more like dog like behavior
Speaker 3: and like easy to like grab the hands and do
Speaker 3: this stuff, and like we cannot get shit done as
Speaker 3: far as like trimming the nails. We were trying to
Speaker 3: like gab a penton and one of us holding it
Speaker 3: and it's I'm still trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: I think her cats are like permanently sedated, because I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine even Simon wouldn't allow such a thing. They
Speaker 1: allow me, like very slightly to pick them up, but
Speaker 1: at some point he's like, let me down. I'm too
Speaker 1: heavy for this. But you can't cut bosses nails or
Speaker 1: we dried ones.
Speaker 3: I think we got yeah boss big boss Yep, yep,
Speaker 3: absolutely yes, and we got I guess they have twenty nails, right?
Speaker 3: Is it five each?
Speaker 4: You're collecting them? I go to twenty nails so far?
Speaker 3: Don't they have like secret ones? Though they have like
Speaker 3: secret are you assuming?
Speaker 1: Oh the sixth one like their thumb is like in
Speaker 1: their wrist or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're not clipping their back nails, right, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so. We're just doing like the normal finger things.
Speaker 4: So the normal hands are fine, the normal pause.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you don't go too close to the
Speaker 3: quick and all that stuff. But I think we got
Speaker 3: most of them, but he just gets really pissed off
Speaker 3: and not at all sedate. So we're working on that.
Speaker 4: No, I got two stone cats.
Speaker 1: You're lucky. I think the more you do it though
Speaker 1: the better. Like if you don't do it, then the
Speaker 1: cat like grows up thinking that it's not allowed or
Speaker 1: like they don't need it, and then they're gonna be
Speaker 1: even more psycho and you do have to get it done.
Speaker 1: I think I've always been a bad dog parent, where
Speaker 1: like I just never really yelled at my dog or
Speaker 1: like dealt with it. And now he's nine and the
Speaker 1: house he you can't touch. You can't touch his paws.
Speaker 1: In fact, he yells at me if I like pick
Speaker 1: up his paw, he'll like suck it away, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you don't.
Speaker 4: Have a drop at me, You don't eat taxes.
Speaker 1: He does nothing for this environment, but he is my
Speaker 1: darling baby boy, and I live and work to give
Speaker 1: him a better life. So it's really on me for
Speaker 1: being the parent of an only child. I've given him
Speaker 1: too much and now he's a monster. Anyway. Do you
Speaker 1: think they're killing the mice? I feel like they're killing
Speaker 1: the mice. I think that did you check them for
Speaker 1: tiny talons?
Speaker 3: Like I didn't want to get too close, but like
Speaker 3: I didn't see any like active gaping wounds or anything.
Speaker 3: But the one in the bathroom was fucking like alive
Speaker 3: and it was squeaking in like clearly injured. Like at
Speaker 3: first I was thinking like is it did it starve
Speaker 3: or something? And it's like that that actually looked pretty
Speaker 3: like plump and stuff. So I wonder if the cat
Speaker 3: just like yeah, I mean like I've got a picture
Speaker 3: on the phone. I don't know, he's een all those cheese.
Speaker 4: He's eating all the cheese, you know, a cheese.
Speaker 3: He looked healthy outside of not being able to move
Speaker 3: or do anything like so sad.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think they could have been. It's maybe what's
Speaker 4: the diff tweet a mouse and someone's lost pot that.
Speaker 3: I'm showing a picture of one of the two dead
Speaker 3: mice I found. But yeah, no, clear it's not a
Speaker 3: murder scene.
Speaker 4: There's no anywhere it looks like a murder scene. But
Speaker 4: it does look it's you know what, it's content, you know,
Speaker 4: why not?
Speaker 3: But they're pu this is the bathroom one. And it's
Speaker 3: like that's a plump, normal looking mouse, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe just one on a honeymoon, you know, giving
Speaker 4: them personality. I would care if there's a mouse in
Speaker 4: my house. I'm like, we should get it a cage,
Speaker 4: like that's how I would be.
Speaker 1: They use a button for shields and they yeah, they
Speaker 1: have like little johopes and dreams. I'm like such a
Speaker 1: sucker for animals, even mice. I went to New York
Speaker 1: City on a work trip and I saw a mouse
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Apparently you can't avoid it, right, like kitchens,
Speaker 1: especially in major.
Speaker 4: New Mice are built different too.
Speaker 1: They're they're just it exists there. Yeah, they're functioning in
Speaker 1: that space. And a little mouse ran through a restaurant
Speaker 1: as we were leaving, and someone like a passer by
Speaker 1: was like ew and stop, like stepped on it, and
Speaker 1: it just kind of like sat there and I thought
Speaker 1: it was dead. And everyone was like that's the circle
Speaker 1: of New York life, like everyone move on. But it
Speaker 1: was cold, and I felt so bad and I was
Speaker 1: like it's in the middle of the sidewalk, Like I'm
Speaker 1: so not cool at this, and so everyone was like
Speaker 1: leave it, don't touch it, like they're disgusting, and I
Speaker 1: like they are, and I was like I literally can't
Speaker 1: help it.
Speaker 4: And I had a conical record.
Speaker 1: I have gloves on because it's cold. It was like
Speaker 1: the winner. I picked it up by its tail and
Speaker 1: I walked over and I just put it in a
Speaker 1: pile of like garbage bags, and I thought, that'll give
Speaker 1: it a soft resting place to either die or have
Speaker 1: a nap, and then it can scurry away on its own.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I refused, leave this like squished mouse.
Speaker 4: You just put it back in the rushot be like,
Speaker 4: you need to go back to work. You can't take
Speaker 4: time off right now.
Speaker 1: Putting it in the butter tray until he feels better,
Speaker 1: Everybody leave him alone.
Speaker 3: You pick it up bad bare hands.
Speaker 1: You picked it up glove.
Speaker 2: I had a glove because it was winter.
Speaker 3: So I'm a baby, and I like this even if
Speaker 3: it's dead, and I know it poses no actual threat
Speaker 3: to me. Just the idea of like feeling this like
Speaker 3: corpse mouse in my hand freaks me out. So I
Speaker 3: have specifically for this purpose for gloves. No, I have
Speaker 3: the fucking you know, the thing that they advertise for
Speaker 3: old people that need to like grab things from shelves and.
Speaker 4: Stuff, grabber just for your rats.
Speaker 3: I have a grabber for when there's like a gross
Speaker 3: thing lady in.
Speaker 4: The Midwest right now.
Speaker 3: In many ways, yeah, yeah, I grabbed it by the
Speaker 3: tail with the little like grabber thing, and I just
Speaker 3: take it and I just throw it in the woods.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And you said that the mouse you found in the
Speaker 1: bathroom was alive, So did it die in your grabber?
Speaker 3: No? So okay, there was the dead one in here,
Speaker 3: the pimpsuit one. Pimpsu one was definitely dead. And that's
Speaker 3: just in a trash can. The one the bathroom one
Speaker 3: which was still squeaking and stuff. That was really sad.
Speaker 3: We actually did a me and Bank kind of scooted
Speaker 3: it into a box and then moved it out back
Speaker 3: and just kind of put it like a hawk is
Speaker 3: probably taking it ten minutes later, you know, but at.
Speaker 1: Least it goes into the circle of life. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like a hawk eating like a mouse.
Speaker 4: I die.
Speaker 2: Isn't so sad?
Speaker 4: I let them go out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I don't like spiders, but I will pick them up,
Speaker 1: not with my hands, my god, never a spider. I
Speaker 1: will find a way to put them in a cup.
Speaker 4: See. I don't mind spiders. I just hate their webs
Speaker 4: because it's like I don't consent to touching those like,
Speaker 4: you know, like, and they're always in random places where
Speaker 4: I can't find them.
Speaker 3: Want to say, there, Kayla, she had a tarantula like
Speaker 3: one of those big fuzzy ass ones, and like she'd
Speaker 3: be sitting in her room growing up playing Dynasty Warriors
Speaker 3: as like a little kid and just have this fucker
Speaker 3: crawling all over her head back and everything.
Speaker 4: I'm good, yeah, no, I give yeah. Also, just like
Speaker 4: people who own bub it's like they don't live very long.
Speaker 3: So why is there like a tortoise of the bug
Speaker 3: world that does live.
Speaker 4: I don't know. There's like the big beetles, you see,
Speaker 4: they live like six months. So I'm like, how like
Speaker 4: you just want to get your heart broken six months
Speaker 4: and then get a new one.
Speaker 3: I don't think I realized. I think it was like
Speaker 3: a year ago on a podcast. I think Jeff Beckler
Speaker 3: came brought to my attention that like I didn't realize
Speaker 3: bugs were dying every winter, and I didn't realize that
Speaker 3: it was a thing that like he's like, oh, you
Speaker 3: never noticed that there's less bugs in the winter. I
Speaker 3: was like, no, I didn't even think about, Like do
Speaker 3: you ever notice. I here's the thing. I didn't think anything.
Speaker 3: Didn't notice anything. Yeah, I didn't know if it's like
Speaker 3: I didn't even notice they were gone during the winter
Speaker 3: or that they were more prominent in the summer. I
Speaker 3: just didn't clock it. I guess if something's not in
Speaker 3: front of my face, I'm not thinking about it typically.
Speaker 4: So I definitely noticed it more in California than I
Speaker 4: did back in Washington because it gets so hot here
Speaker 4: and then the bugs are trying to get in the
Speaker 4: house to cool off, and I'm like, no, no, no, this
Speaker 4: is I pay rent not you get out.
Speaker 3: FORNI a year year round. Like bug issues.
Speaker 4: I mean like I have a shit ton of plants
Speaker 4: and the only time I ever get bug issues is
Speaker 4: in the summer. They all get like a fids and
Speaker 4: like fruit flies. I actually haven't gone any fruit flies
Speaker 4: this year knock on wooden shockingly, but it's always really
Speaker 4: hard between like June and like August, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: even the bugs, no, even they know what's up.
Speaker 3: Do you ever get one of the like electric tennis
Speaker 3: racket gimmicks?
Speaker 4: No, I just put you know, eat. The solution for
Speaker 4: fruit flies is right, what you get a bowl of water,
Speaker 4: vinegar and dish soap. He's put it out and literally
Speaker 4: the next day they're all in there. It's disgusting. It's
Speaker 4: like crack for them.
Speaker 3: I think I never had to consider the fruit fly
Speaker 3: stuff because I probably went a large chunk of my
Speaker 3: adult life without eating a fruit, and then now I'm married.
Speaker 4: But they love plants. They love plants too.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like those either.
Speaker 1: He's never seen a banana or a plant bowl upstairs.
Speaker 3: Now since I got I've eat more fruits I'm eating.
Speaker 4: That's why you don't notice bugs is because you don't
Speaker 4: have any plants that will.
Speaker 2: Hoard them, have anything alive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wintertime, it's like, my plants are dying, but there's
Speaker 4: no bugs. Summertime, my plants are thriving, but there's bugs.
Speaker 4: It's just a fruit.
Speaker 1: Flies, shockingly, do not care about nerds rope like. They
Speaker 1: only want like fruit.
Speaker 4: They're just like, yeah, all I know is that I
Speaker 4: have a very fruitful household.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got to get into the I keep telling
Speaker 3: myself I'm gonna get into the healthy food game. And
Speaker 3: then I just like, listen, if you.
Speaker 4: Want a plant, just get a snake plant. This thing
Speaker 4: has been sitting at my desk for like six months
Speaker 4: and I don't do anything to it, and it's thriving.
Speaker 1: Look at it like they're called like mother, mother, mother's
Speaker 1: tongue or mother in law tongue.
Speaker 2: Probably can't be killed.
Speaker 1: The idea is that their snake looks like that, and
Speaker 1: you they're very difficult to kill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you kill a snake plant, then like you should
Speaker 4: go to therapy like that's it's absorbing your bad mental health.
Speaker 4: That's that's the only way you can kill it.
Speaker 1: It did its job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I do believe my plants are tied in
Speaker 4: my mental health because like, when I'm not doing well,
Speaker 4: my plants will start drooping. It's like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you need to stay alive. Okay, fine, I'll be in
Speaker 4: a better mood like.
Speaker 3: This symbiotic relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah I don't have. Hopefully my cats and my plants.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Dan's mental health isn't tied to the mice health
Speaker 1: near him because they're dropping like flies over there.
Speaker 4: They sense cheese and weakness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's plenty of both of you get a
Speaker 3: bunch of cheese curts, like cheese curds. Is that a thing?
Speaker 3: Like marry you're Midwest? List? I don't. Did you grow
Speaker 3: up in California?
Speaker 4: I mean no, I grew up in Seattle. But even
Speaker 4: I know cheese curt I mean mainly because of poutine.
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about the squeaky ones.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is a Wisconsin thing, and like every fucking store,
Speaker 3: especially like along the high way going into Wisconsin, it's
Speaker 3: just nothing but cheese curds and they are squeaky. Look
Speaker 3: if you look up squeaky curds like that's so we
Speaker 3: were looking at like how they're made, and it's I
Speaker 3: guess they.
Speaker 4: Sneaky curds is a very cute name though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good cat, it's it sounds.
Speaker 4: Like a jazz singer from the thirties given up for
Speaker 4: squeaky curds.
Speaker 3: Like squeaks between your teeth, and it's probably super unhealthy,
Speaker 3: I would imagine, But yeah, yeah, I went into one
Speaker 3: and we bought a bunch of curds. But then they
Speaker 3: also sold us three week expired cheese and we didn't
Speaker 3: realize until we run.
Speaker 4: The blue cheese that's the one.
Speaker 3: She's I don't like bunk, but into it cheesy. And
Speaker 3: I looked at the thing and she she didn't act
Speaker 3: like it tasted weird or anything. But yeah, I was
Speaker 3: expired like three weeks ago, and it seemed okay. I
Speaker 3: went on campaign of calling the company and everything, and
Speaker 3: trying to get a six dollar refund for the expired cheese,
Speaker 3: and they refused, so I did not get justice for
Speaker 3: the expired cheese. But the cheese curds themselves were very
Speaker 3: good cheese.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about kurds, but when I
Speaker 1: lived in Australia, I had halloumi more than once, which
Speaker 1: is like one of the very few cheeses that you
Speaker 1: can put on a grill like you can. You can
Speaker 1: grill it on a high flame grill and it won't melt.
Speaker 1: It just gets delicious grill marks on it and then
Speaker 1: you can just eat it.
Speaker 3: Is that what we had at in Boston?
Speaker 1: Maybe I love halloumi. I'm always trying. I'm always putting
Speaker 1: hallumi on on my buds because I think it tastes
Speaker 1: so good. But it also squeaks, like, so what's up
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 4: I think like, I think has entered the back of me.
Speaker 3: Now uh oh, it's on the chair.
Speaker 1: They just get taller. Well, I'm sorry about all of
Speaker 1: the death and your house.
Speaker 3: It's not like people are pet death. It's just like
Speaker 3: gross stuffed death for the most part.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you just don't realize that you're a Disney princess.
Speaker 3: That seems unlikely.
Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, like a t MoU version.
Speaker 1: You get like rats, remember when you got the basement.
Speaker 3: Lizards, salamanders and a snake. That's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this sounds more like a Disney thing than anything
Speaker 4: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, the Disney princess, it's just covered in dead mice.
Speaker 4: And squeaky cards or whatever.
Speaker 3: We went to. So the place we went to Wisconsin's
Speaker 3: called Wisconsin Dell's and it's basically a city of water
Speaker 3: slides and water parks, like it's what they're It's like
Speaker 3: the waterslide capital of the world. So it's just like
Speaker 3: all these resorts all.
Speaker 4: Isn't it freezing half the time? Is it indoors?
Speaker 3: No? So that's the thing is they are prepared for
Speaker 3: the cold times because it's a lot of them are indoors.
Speaker 3: The one the resort we stayed at was half indoors,
Speaker 3: half outdoors, and we rode everything on both sides. And
Speaker 3: it had been forever since I've done a water park.
Speaker 3: Have you guys done the one where it's like you
Speaker 3: stand vertically and they just drop the ground out from
Speaker 3: under you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have done a water slide like that. It's
Speaker 1: like a coffin. You like have to be in it
Speaker 1: with your arms crossed and then.
Speaker 4: It just you know, this just made me realize there
Speaker 4: isn't any water parks in LA that I'm.
Speaker 1: Aware, like the perfect place to have a water park, right.
Speaker 4: We have Disneyland and Universal, but no water parks. Imagine change.
Speaker 4: Am I not very farm.
Speaker 1: I feel like in Ohio we're like notorious for theme
Speaker 1: parks and water parks because.
Speaker 2: It's just like what you can do in Ohio.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of like raised in water parks.
Speaker 1: The one where it drops you like you're standing and
Speaker 1: the floor just falls terrifying. I saw a girl, you know,
Speaker 1: she was young, she was like thirteen, but she was like,
Speaker 1: I got it. I'm gonna go. I can't wait. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. And then the door go like shuts and
Speaker 1: they lock it and she freaked out.
Speaker 2: She freaked out. She started crying.
Speaker 1: She was like, let me out right now, and the
Speaker 1: dad was like, you got it, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I do not fucking have it open this door, and
Speaker 1: she was she lost her mind and they had to
Speaker 1: unlock it and let her out, and she cried all
Speaker 1: the way downstairs, and I was like, that is terrifying
Speaker 1: just to watch someone else lose their mind.
Speaker 3: I mean it is because normally you sit down at
Speaker 3: the top and you just kind of go at your
Speaker 3: own speed. But like you go into a vertical coffin basically,
Speaker 3: and the floor is just going to drop out and
Speaker 3: it's like a complete drop. It's fucking insane. Which when
Speaker 3: I think I want a water park that is just
Speaker 3: stuff like that and no kid shit, because like this
Speaker 3: has been notorious.
Speaker 4: You're trying to look up what this bride looks like?
Speaker 4: What's it called?
Speaker 3: Just look up? God? What There's gotta be a term
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: Water water park, It's like a water park, tube, water.
Speaker 4: Park, tube, vertical drop.
Speaker 1: Floor drop, coffin, maybe floor drop.
Speaker 3: Okay, here I found one awkward drop water slide at
Speaker 3: at Aqua Park Aqua Colors on YouTube. Aqua drop water
Speaker 3: slide at Aqua Park. That's a lot of aqua, too
Speaker 3: many aquas. This is in Croatia.
Speaker 4: Okay, oh my god, this is terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see how they like make you They make you
Speaker 1: stand like a dead person.
Speaker 4: With your imasaphobic So I can't do this.
Speaker 1: But I I love you would never make it.
Speaker 4: No, I would die. Oh god, this is awful.
Speaker 3: It's cool though, because like on those, you can't have
Speaker 3: like little kids on those, and all the other lines
Speaker 3: had little kids, and uh, this has traditionally been a
Speaker 3: childless podcast. Least I don't know if you have kids,
Speaker 3: but we're.
Speaker 1: No only I don't know if we're.
Speaker 4: Generally anti we too many plants.
Speaker 3: I was thinking while I was there that we've all
Speaker 3: played Expedition thirty three that I would love a situation
Speaker 3: if we could like institute like a reverse gomage, so
Speaker 3: like you know how it counts down from one hundred
Speaker 3: in the game, if we're all one year old, if
Speaker 3: I just paint one on a.
Speaker 4: Mo I also just want I also just want old
Speaker 4: old people to be gone. Actually, let's just leave people between.
Speaker 3: He goes to a double ended gomage.
Speaker 4: So yeah, just close it in.
Speaker 3: At the same time, and then we kind of close
Speaker 3: in until everyone says, cool, yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly, the old double guma.
Speaker 4: Listen. I have a story that I'm like working on
Speaker 4: is a bit because I thought it was so funny
Speaker 4: because it's like I have friends now that have kids
Speaker 4: and whatnot, you know, whatever, they live in areas, they
Speaker 4: can afford houses. But I went to like a family
Speaker 4: like get together a few weeks ago and it was
Speaker 4: like ten adults. I was probably one of the oldest
Speaker 4: ones there. And then there was just one kid. It
Speaker 4: was my friend's kid, and we were all standing around
Speaker 4: talking and the kid like blined it to me and
Speaker 4: grab my arm. He goes, do you want to come
Speaker 4: play with my Spider Man collection? And I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, he thinks I'm a kid, like I am.
Speaker 4: I am not. I am not giving off adult vibes
Speaker 4: to children still, or.
Speaker 3: Do the kids just think that adults care about that
Speaker 3: stuff or he.
Speaker 4: It was like it was like ten people between the
Speaker 4: ages of thirty and forty, so I'm right in the middle.
Speaker 4: And this kid like looked at every adult and just
Speaker 4: went to me and was like, that's definitely still a child.
Speaker 3: Did you check it out?
Speaker 4: Of course I did. I was like, yeah, that was the.
Speaker 3: Most interesting part of the Spider Man collection he just had.
Speaker 4: He just had a Spider Man. It was a Spider
Speaker 4: Man toys. This kid doesn't no value, you know, he
Speaker 4: doesn't know he hasn't been on Prime one studio to
Speaker 4: find like an eight hundred dollars statue.
Speaker 1: You know, were you like this collection sucks to me?
Speaker 1: He makes yourself an actual You want to.
Speaker 4: See my eight hundred dollars statue of Virgil from double
Speaker 4: may cry.
Speaker 3: That Virgil or five? Which one are we talking about? Oh? Nice,
Speaker 3: I love Virgil.
Speaker 4: It's thirty inches tall, taller than that kid. But it
Speaker 4: was just very in the moment, like, yeah, I do
Speaker 4: not give off babysitter parent vibes at all. I give
Speaker 4: off like this is a giant child hanging out with
Speaker 4: these adults.
Speaker 3: I maybe sat once when I was younger, and I
Speaker 3: got fired. I guess because of two incidents. One of
Speaker 3: them was I ate all of their boxes of cheese.
Speaker 3: It's during one thing, and the mom got mad that
Speaker 3: I ate all the cheeses by myself. The other was,
Speaker 3: I guess you're not supposed to do this with kids.
Speaker 3: This kid and Nick was really young and I was
Speaker 3: second all of the neighborhood pool and he was terrified
Speaker 3: of bees, and I thought it'd be funny if as
Speaker 3: we walked to the pool, I was like, nif there's
Speaker 3: a pea on your shoulder, and he freaked the fuck
Speaker 3: out and screamed and told his mom, you're not supposed
Speaker 3: to do that cats if your babysitting.
Speaker 1: No, how old was this child that you like?
Speaker 3: Kids? Probably I don't know six, I was probably sixteen.
Speaker 4: I don't know he was like six.
Speaker 3: Kid ages, but I probably older myself.
Speaker 4: I am not.
Speaker 1: It's a child, Michael. How old could he be? Nine? Like,
Speaker 1: we don't know and we have no concept of like
Speaker 1: child age.
Speaker 4: Hair. I sat in my life. My first baby ever
Speaker 4: held was my knees five years ago, and I held
Speaker 4: her like this, So I was like, I should not
Speaker 4: be around a child like this is Yeah, this is
Speaker 4: not I hear a baby.
Speaker 3: I learned about the head thing where they like, you know,
Speaker 3: you got to put a hand behind the head so
Speaker 3: they don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I held her like this, I present to
Speaker 4: you baby, So yeah, no kids for me. Just if
Speaker 4: I have another kid, it's gonna be another cat, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had I invited a girlfriend uh to get uh
Speaker 1: like basically to go to a club with me, but
Speaker 1: it had it's twenty one and up usually and you
Speaker 1: can invite children, but you have to get it approved
Speaker 1: in advance. So I called and I said, Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: meeting someone and I want their kid to be able
Speaker 1: to come to and they said, okay, no problem. How
Speaker 1: old is the kid? And I was like, well, he's
Speaker 1: walking and he's talking, and he's got like little shorts
Speaker 1: with pockets in it, so he's got to be like ten.
Speaker 1: And they were like, no worries, and so they write
Speaker 1: it down and she shows up and they're like, hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: is this your kid?
Speaker 2: And she's like yes, and they're like.
Speaker 1: We we were told he was ten old.
Speaker 4: Is how old is this kid?
Speaker 1: And she was like he's three And I was like,
Speaker 1: three year olds can walk and talk and wear shorts
Speaker 1: with like pockets in them. I had no call.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what a toddler does. Toddlers have such unnecessary pockets.
Speaker 3: Embarrassed liked toddlers nowadays have like phones probably like I feel.
Speaker 4: Like my niece has texted me and she's like seven.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, they.
Speaker 1: Can play roadblocks. I can tell you that. Maybe not legally, but.
Speaker 4: They can finally, but they can play untitled goose game.
Speaker 3: I know that, yeah, which I think that makes the
Speaker 3: untitled Goose game people they're making. So they're the ones
Speaker 3: making that big walk game that yeah, that looks Listen.
Speaker 4: My first cell phone, I got I was a note.
Speaker 4: I got no Kia phone when I was like in
Speaker 4: fifth grade because I played soccer and that thing was
Speaker 4: a brick. That was a weapon. You could understand.
Speaker 1: Why did soccer give you a no key a phone?
Speaker 1: Because I played gymnastics and I didn't get a phone
Speaker 1: my parents.
Speaker 4: My parents are drug addicts, and they were like, listen,
Speaker 4: we don't know we're going to pick you up, so
Speaker 4: just call us my parents.
Speaker 2: That's so sad but pol but like you know.
Speaker 4: Like I still hang out with them. They come to
Speaker 4: my shows like no, like I'm.
Speaker 1: House loaded, and they don't give a ship what I know.
Speaker 4: They're just like Dan, they're just holding a drink, Like,
Speaker 4: just call me when you want me to pick you up.
Speaker 4: That was my first phone, and that was a brick.
Speaker 4: That was a freaking brick back then, and I was
Speaker 4: like but I wasn't allowed to text until I was
Speaker 4: in high school, which was really annoying. So I had
Speaker 4: a phone. You had a phone for like eight years
Speaker 4: of my life and didn't get text messages until I
Speaker 4: was like like a junior in high school.
Speaker 3: I was afraid that the text stuff would like per
Speaker 3: text charge you, So I think for the first year
Speaker 3: or two of having a phone, I was afraid to text.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the beginning of the world. They did and it.
Speaker 4: Was like when he sent a text, can you imagine
Speaker 4: how how bigger bills would be right now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I mean you just send like one really long email text,
Speaker 1: right like, Hello Dan, It's been so nice to talk
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 3: Game fucking sucked like writing.
Speaker 4: Also, I wasn't say. What I forget about is when
Speaker 4: you travel internationally, I'm like, am I allowed message and
Speaker 4: call people and whatnot? And it's like, oh yeah, you
Speaker 4: just use like WhatsApp or Wi Fi calling and it's
Speaker 4: like free. Like it's like, oh yeah, we live in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: WhatsApp with like I've only used it when I've gone
Speaker 3: like games Com or Japan or something with like your group,
Speaker 3: and oh just do WhatsApp? Like is that a much
Speaker 3: bigger thing overseas than it is here?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I used WhatsApp and Telegram to buy shrooms like that
Speaker 4: was that was the only time I ever used it.
Speaker 4: And now everybody listens. Yeah, and everyone who uses everyone
Speaker 4: who's like in Europe and like Asia, they use WhatsApp.
Speaker 3: Give this shroom guy a plug?
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to my shroom guy, Scott, that's name
Speaker 4: right in a few years. In fact, when we used
Speaker 4: to because you know, Northwest people like it's easy to
Speaker 4: find shrooms. And when I came home a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago and I was driving around our whole town,
Speaker 4: my dad was like, oh, man, like, I just hate
Speaker 4: how they keep building these apartments everywhere. I was like
Speaker 4: me too. He goes, you used to be able to
Speaker 4: pick good shrooms right here, and I was like, oh that.
Speaker 4: You don't care about gentrification. You just care about losing
Speaker 4: your good shroom piles.
Speaker 3: Okay, wild Like oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean come on, man, the climate there you go?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 3: I thought they were like Oregon in Washington or something.
Speaker 4: They're decriminalized now, ah, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can still order them, but I could not
Speaker 1: imagine picking a random shroom on the ground and chomping
Speaker 1: it up. I buy everything, and it's like, this is
Speaker 1: one hundred milligrams.
Speaker 4: Listening stream guy went to college in an organic chemistry. Okay,
Speaker 4: I trust him.
Speaker 2: You're really this shroom guy.
Speaker 4: It's like when someone's like I studied psychology or I
Speaker 4: went to school for community, it doesn't mean anything to me.
Speaker 4: Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I got curious about shrooms again for a while because like,
Speaker 3: I've done stuff harder than weed three times, and they
Speaker 3: were all first semester of college, and the first two
Speaker 3: were shrooms and weed too. I did the weed I did,
Speaker 3: so I'm okay with weed. Now I'm a very anxious
Speaker 3: person typically, like weed I can typically deal with. But
Speaker 3: like mushrooms were like my first panic attacks ever, Like
Speaker 3: I never knew what a panic attack was until mushrooms.
Speaker 3: But I remember that first half being like, this is
Speaker 3: the best feeling I've ever had. I want I should
Speaker 3: do these all the time. And then it was like
Speaker 3: I'm in hell, so I was.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's me every day.
Speaker 1: So right around noon is where I freak out. Every day.
Speaker 4: I'm at capital of day and I'm like, I want
Speaker 4: to die.
Speaker 3: Actually it's just with my shrooms are just in general.
Speaker 4: Just in general, you know, I mean, four cookies on
Speaker 4: the stream, I'm gonna regret it the minute we're done.
Speaker 3: So I do have a curiosity about Like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: forty one now, it has been it was over half
Speaker 3: my life ago I did them the last time. I
Speaker 3: think I'm in a much better spot mentally and everything
Speaker 3: than I was back then, so like, but I still
Speaker 3: I've always there was that period after I had the
Speaker 3: panic attack mushroom stuff that like any like I had
Speaker 3: my wisdom teeth taking out, I didn't take any pain
Speaker 3: medication or anything for it.
Speaker 4: It's shrooms.
Speaker 3: Well, the idea of being high freaked me out so much,
Speaker 3: so like all my friends smoked weed all the time
Speaker 3: and the drugs, and like I was just so terrified
Speaker 3: of like even getting a whiff of it. But I
Speaker 3: am curious because it was really fun for that first half,
Speaker 3: and I'm I wonder if I would be able to
Speaker 3: like enjoy them now, if I kind of ease myself in.
Speaker 4: I think the shroom technology has advanced in the last
Speaker 4: twenty years.
Speaker 1: There's been great advancements in shrooms, and in fact, I
Speaker 1: think what's mostly interesting about like my partaking in this
Speaker 1: type of stuff now is that you can microdose with
Speaker 1: like full control. And I don't know your microdose experience,
Speaker 1: but like it's so fun to essentially have like so
Speaker 1: little that you're not actually high, but you'll be like
Speaker 1: my mood is elevated, and I feel so great in
Speaker 1: a social situation, microdocing shrooms can take away all your anxiety.
Speaker 4: My dude, microdose shrooms like for half the pandemic. And
Speaker 4: then I started streaming. I was like it changed my life.
Speaker 3: Question about that because like my understanding was that that
Speaker 3: was something you had to do like every day for
Speaker 3: a period of time. Where it's like my mom told
Speaker 3: me she has started doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had like a hundred shroom caps.
Speaker 3: Okay, and did you do it every day like consistently? Yeah? Okay. Now,
Speaker 3: the way my mom describes it, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if she's really following the label correctly, is she will
Speaker 3: just do it like, oh, we were at the lake
Speaker 3: this weekend and I microdosed, and yeah, you don't have to.
Speaker 4: Do it every day. I just did, Okay, so.
Speaker 1: Every day for like tho chacters would recommend that you
Speaker 1: don't micro everything.
Speaker 4: I wasn't that long. I literally did it for I
Speaker 4: think maybe three weeks and then I like because I
Speaker 4: was like not working, and I was like fuck it.
Speaker 4: I got a bunch of shroom caps, Like I had
Speaker 4: a bunch of Birdingman and friends. They'd come back and
Speaker 4: they'd be like, do you want to leftover drugs? Like
Speaker 4: it was like a gift to me, and so someone
Speaker 4: gave me a bunch of shroom caps and it was
Speaker 4: really nice. It was very relaxing, you know, get a
Speaker 4: little bit of a body high, and then now I
Speaker 4: would just take them occasionally when I was like hang
Speaker 4: out with people.
Speaker 3: Is there a down to Like why wouldn't you just
Speaker 3: do it every day? If it's like, is there any
Speaker 3: downside to it?
Speaker 4: I mean not really, but I mean maybe I was like,
Speaker 4: maybe I shouldn't be going through all these shroom caps
Speaker 4: so quickly. I would just take a lot of baths.
Speaker 4: That was really it. It was just like every time I
Speaker 4: was on shrooms, I was like, you know what sounds
Speaker 4: great as a bath?
Speaker 2: Your water bill was through the room.
Speaker 1: Honestly, don't think that there's like many downsides to microdosing personally,
Speaker 1: like even for someone like me, Dan and you and
Speaker 1: I have talked about this before, but sometimes like if
Speaker 1: we do get high, you can get too high and
Speaker 1: that's actually very stressed.
Speaker 4: We can talk about this stuff on this podcast, oh podcast,
Speaker 4: Like no really, yeah, we're only talking about boring nerd stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh is boring nerd stuff to me?
Speaker 1: This is like to me more controllable than smoking pot.
Speaker 1: Like when I get high, I still am like, uh oh,
Speaker 1: don't go too hard because you'll get paranoid and you'll
Speaker 1: get really weird. When i'm microdose, I'm like, nothing.
Speaker 2: Bad can happen to me.
Speaker 1: Well, also, as long as you know your dosage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well weed's weird too, because at least with shrooms,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, like I know exactly what this type
Speaker 4: of shroom will do to my body and how much
Speaker 4: of it to take. But even shrooms, even weeds, like
Speaker 4: do you want indicca, you want sativa? And then you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: what percentage of it is this? Like sometimes I'll get
Speaker 4: like a mixture or a hybrid and I'll be like, okay,
Speaker 4: this made me. This made me nauseous. This one gave
Speaker 4: me a head Like It's like same thing with gummies
Speaker 4: or like any kind of edible. I'm I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: always very wary of it because I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: know how this my body's gonna react to this. Usually
Speaker 4: it's always a good time, but sometimes I just get
Speaker 4: a headache, or sometimes it'll smell really bad, Like I'll
Speaker 4: smell the weed will like stick the smell of the
Speaker 4: intensity of the weed will just stick and I can
Speaker 4: still smell it the next day, and it just smells
Speaker 4: like a fart.
Speaker 3: True as far as it gets too high.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shroom doesn't smell like a fart. Okay, that's like
Speaker 4: if I get really strong weed, I can smell it
Speaker 4: when it's in the container.
Speaker 3: Still, I've been having that, Like myself is all like
Speaker 3: like I have half of this left now, and it's
Speaker 3: like all crusted in there, and I can smell it.
Speaker 3: So I can hear it bubbling and I can smell it,
Speaker 3: but no smoke comes out of there, and I I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm gonna I search for it. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: I hold the thing and it I can hear bubbling,
Speaker 3: but nothing comes out. I shoved a paper clip in there.
Speaker 4: Try to spoiled the top in water.
Speaker 3: I'm like an old person the top of the cartridge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the glass part, getting hot water to loosen
Speaker 4: it up. It worked. Maybe, don't listen to my advice.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've tried a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 4: You practice. It's like you got to decrystallize it, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I'll try that, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: then you're gonna blow your house up because exploded.
Speaker 1: There you go, Lily six mice at your funeral. He
Speaker 1: was a good man.
Speaker 4: I had like, oh my, I'm not docs my shroom
Speaker 4: guy obviously, But the reason why I use Telegram and
Speaker 4: WhatsApp is like somebody like created a website where you
Speaker 4: could buy acid and shrooms and like all sorts of
Speaker 4: d MT, all sorts of stuff, and it would sell
Speaker 4: it as like T shirts and then you go on
Speaker 4: the Telegram and realize the T shirt was actually this thing,
Speaker 4: this thing. So you'd order these T shirts online and
Speaker 4: it would be actually shrooms, I know, and that's and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of them, Like this is like one
Speaker 4: of probably millions out there. But I was like all
Speaker 4: I can think goes, wow, that's beautiful. Drug. Drug dealing
Speaker 4: has really gone far.
Speaker 2: Did you get a T shirt too?
Speaker 4: No? When the shirts turn in there and like the
Speaker 4: shirts were like nice, they were like tied I shirts
Speaker 4: with like designs on them, and obviously they were just
Speaker 4: created as like a front. But then you'd have to
Speaker 4: Venmo some weird guy and then in the mail I
Speaker 4: would just get a box of shroom chocolates and like so.
Speaker 3: You don't get a T shirt.
Speaker 4: No, and I would be like great lack of T
Speaker 4: shirt though, you know.
Speaker 1: Very it just makes me like think of every time
Speaker 1: when you watch like super Troopers or something like that
Speaker 1: and they're like opening up the truck and there's like
Speaker 1: jars of apple sauce in these boxes or something, right
Speaker 1: like something that's like, yeah, I'm just I'm just an
Speaker 1: apple sauce salesman, like leave me alone. The apple sauce
Speaker 1: is a shit ton of drugs, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: just like in this front situation, they were like, we
Speaker 1: got another T shirt sale and a guy like Chuck
Speaker 1: some shrooms and like.
Speaker 4: Squeaky Kurds or whatever.
Speaker 1: He does sound like a mushroom guy who all so
Speaker 1: really rocks the sacks, which is so funny when you sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna.
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, mature, you go to a fire Escape summer
Speaker 3: store and get our T shirts.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not a front drugs I yeah.
Speaker 2: And in the Dead Mice a bunch of sh.
Speaker 4: Though technically fungus can grow. Fungus does grow from dead things,
Speaker 4: so technically there could be a shroom at some point
Speaker 4: in it's life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Plant the dead mouse in a pot of soil and
Speaker 1: from the dead mouse, the shrooms will grow and then
Speaker 1: you get mad high. I actually think that's a little beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like it is morbid and maybe fucked up, but like
Speaker 1: another part of it is like, my dude, like, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna we're.
Speaker 4: Not even halfway through this and we're talking about planting
Speaker 4: dead bodies to grow mushrooms.
Speaker 1: Dead mice in your house, why not star a shroom
Speaker 1: farm out of their corpses. In fact, I actually think
Speaker 1: that would be a really good will and like last
Speaker 1: will and testament is like don't burn me, which apparently
Speaker 1: takes a lot of fuel. Yeah, I've been like learning
Speaker 1: about this for some weird reason, which is like you know,
Speaker 1: like when you get uh what's it called, like flame
Speaker 1: flamed up into ashes whatever, And when you get flamed
Speaker 1: up into ashes, I'm forgetting high.
Speaker 6: In my extensive research, if you guys flamed up in ashes,
Speaker 6: they have to do it at a really high temperature
Speaker 6: or you smell like you your body stinks like burning flesh,
Speaker 6: and it like disrupts the.
Speaker 1: Town and the people nearby like yeah, down, it smells
Speaker 1: like dead dam like.
Speaker 4: A dead body factory. It's the body.
Speaker 1: So they incinerate you at a very high high temperature
Speaker 1: so that you go up real quick and there's no
Speaker 1: dead like burn skin smell.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. I would rather if I probably get cremated.
Speaker 3: I'd rather they do that than like su vid me,
Speaker 3: you know, right.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is is that that takes. But
Speaker 1: those are only two options. That is, like a really
Speaker 1: high temperature costs a lot of fuel, so it's not
Speaker 1: very environmentally friendly. But neither is burial because they put
Speaker 1: you in this like fucking box and they'll be like
Speaker 1: nothing can get in here. But it's like, isn't that
Speaker 1: the point is that, like eventually you decompose.
Speaker 4: My dad this is so random, but my dad, well
Speaker 4: he works at a Muslim cemetery. He's white and Catholic,
Speaker 4: but he works at a Muslim cemetery as like his
Speaker 4: retirement hobby, and.
Speaker 1: He like digs twenty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's dig's graves. That's his thing. He's an honorary Muslim,
Speaker 4: but that's his thing. That's literally his thing. It's like
Speaker 4: it's crazy, but he's like, yeah, I buried a baby
Speaker 4: today and I'm like all right, cool, like happy Tuesday.
Speaker 4: My parents are very morbid but he he was talking
Speaker 4: about how like Muslims like they don't coffins, like they
Speaker 4: just wrap the bodies and blankets and then they put
Speaker 4: them in the ground. And I'm like that's better for
Speaker 4: the environment. It is, but it's also like this is what, dad,
Speaker 4: do you go to therapy? And he's like, now, I
Speaker 4: just like doing this. I'm like, okay, all right, why
Speaker 4: he makes sense doing it? Yeah, he's been doing it
Speaker 4: for like ten years now.
Speaker 3: You said hobby and that kind of weirded me out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is his hobby. He volunteers because like, the
Speaker 4: guy who owns a cemetery is like very old and
Speaker 4: has dementia. My dad helped him out one day. And
Speaker 4: now ten years later, my dad's on the bluffed directors
Speaker 4: for Muslims and my dad I helped out.
Speaker 1: This guy with dementia. Turns out I was born to
Speaker 1: dig graves.
Speaker 4: Especially.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he volunteered this. He's not getting paid for it.
Speaker 4: I mean I think he gets paid sometimes.
Speaker 3: But like that was like this is more sweet or concerning.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of bull It's endearing but also spooky.
Speaker 4: But I also have very morbid way of thinking. So
Speaker 4: I'm like this makes sense. He's just acting out on this.
Speaker 3: Would it be environment good to like just like if
Speaker 3: they just threw your body in a and the ocean
Speaker 3: and let fish eat it, like that wouldn't cost any money, right,
Speaker 3: Like you're gonna eat it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always fascinating how it's like you guys
Speaker 4: watch Dexter.
Speaker 3: I've seen the first like four.
Speaker 4: He would just throw them in a bag in the
Speaker 4: ocean and always bothered me. Some'm like, God, what a waste?
Speaker 4: Like just what I mean, here's the thing. No one
Speaker 4: found the bodies. They found the bags. So it's like,
Speaker 4: if you're already gonna if you were planning on nobody
Speaker 4: seeing the bodies, why not just throw the bodies in there?
Speaker 3: Oh right, So what is the point so the fish
Speaker 3: can eat them?
Speaker 1: It's the point of the bag.
Speaker 4: The play of the bags? Is it for weight? Like
Speaker 4: it's just like if you knew no one was gonna
Speaker 4: find them, because it's like if they found a bunch
Speaker 4: of bats. They found the bags, and they're like the.
Speaker 1: Bodies float because the you know, ogin and the lungs
Speaker 1: and ships rocks.
Speaker 3: It's fine, just a bunch of rocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got pump them full of rocks before.
Speaker 4: You throw in the ocean. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't I agree though, I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: is also much more environmentally friendly than like putting them
Speaker 1: in a bag.
Speaker 4: But that's just where my mind. I was like, God,
Speaker 4: what a waste of bags and plastic. You could have
Speaker 4: just waste of bags murdering people. And I'm like, what
Speaker 4: all these bags, man, you're just polluting the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got like one of those you.
Speaker 4: Know, some turtles bottle of things on them. I know
Speaker 4: you're murdering people, but you're you're also creating environmental waste.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think the most environmentally friendly thing is probably
Speaker 1: just dumping your body in the ocean, because the animals
Speaker 1: will get you. They will they will pick at you,
Speaker 1: and the crabs will get you, and they will they
Speaker 1: will like eat your bones, like every part of you
Speaker 1: will go.
Speaker 4: Back a risk. Remember risk the cats the cartoon, how
Speaker 4: she said she just wanted doesn't Yeah, she just want
Speaker 4: to give her house to her cats. That's the thing.
Speaker 4: When I'm like seventy, Like these cats will be dead
Speaker 4: before I die, hopefully. But if I'm like seventy years
Speaker 4: old and I have new cats, I'm like, just give
Speaker 4: them to my cats. My cats can eat me. No,
Speaker 4: give them food your dead body.
Speaker 3: I used to do a podcast with a wrestler named
Speaker 3: Biggie and he was he was adamant that when he dies,
Speaker 3: he wants to like just drive out to like a
Speaker 3: rural road and just you know, two people grab the arms,
Speaker 3: two people grab the legs and just kind of like
Speaker 3: toss them into a ditch and just like he's dead.
Speaker 3: He doesn't give a shit. Would that be illegal? Like
Speaker 3: if it was like if it was requested by the deceasion.
Speaker 4: It wasn't his will. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you just even if it's in their will,
Speaker 1: you can't do something illegal? And I have examples of this.
Speaker 3: But is it illegal to just put a body on
Speaker 3: the side of the road.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was, Yes, Yeah, you didn't kill them.
Speaker 3: He dies of natural causes.
Speaker 1: It's not about the fact that it's what he did
Speaker 1: or did not want. It's the fact that, like, society
Speaker 1: cannot have dead men on the sides.
Speaker 4: Of the ca because thinking about how many people, what
Speaker 4: if a lot of people requested that, then we just
Speaker 4: have so many dead men.
Speaker 1: Society does not allow for dead men to just be
Speaker 1: chucked over a bridge.
Speaker 4: Even dead women, though that's different, like we never question it.
Speaker 1: They have two thirds of a vote, like chrome in
Speaker 1: the ditch. I think like Niagara Falls is like this
Speaker 1: really famous place that I grew up near and I
Speaker 1: was always told as a child, a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to have their ashes scattered in the falls.
Speaker 2: Like they based bring them back up.
Speaker 1: They're like, put me in a tin can, chuck me
Speaker 1: over the edge. That's how I want to go. They
Speaker 1: want to be cremated and then thrown in just for
Speaker 1: the record, not the body, but like the remains. And
Speaker 1: it's illegal, and it's like on the website like you
Speaker 1: cannot put ashes in this water. Stop it, and they
Speaker 1: like basically prevent family members from throwing their loved ones
Speaker 1: ashes into the water.
Speaker 3: That's that's the code Grandma thing. Do you know about that?
Speaker 3: I only know this because of Mike Manati. I now work.
Speaker 3: I now own a company with the biggest Disney old possible.
Speaker 3: And your Code Grandma is a thing at Disney World
Speaker 3: where like people wet on like the Haunted Mansion ride
Speaker 3: or whatever, and so like if you hear Code Grandma
Speaker 3: at Disney, that means someone spread their ashes in the park.
Speaker 4: That's disgusting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like listen, just put my
Speaker 4: ashes in front of a taco bell. I don't care,
Speaker 4: like I'm going to share you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm dead.
Speaker 4: Figure out what you want to do. You want to
Speaker 4: like plant me as it, smoke me on a spliff,
Speaker 4: I don't care, you know, just do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: At this point, I don't care. Man, I'm out of here.
Speaker 4: I've done. I'm done making decisions like.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is if you guys don't have a
Speaker 1: last will and testament, this can actually be used in
Speaker 1: testimonials to make sure that you do get what you want.
Speaker 1: Because it's nice time.
Speaker 2: Officially said it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chuck me in the ocean. No cremation and nope,
Speaker 1: don't fucking just put me in a box, like, let
Speaker 1: me be decomposed. I want to give back to the
Speaker 1: earth for God's sake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody put me in Elon Musk's tea so I
Speaker 4: can haunt his body, your.
Speaker 1: Whole your whole dead corpse is gonna come up with
Speaker 1: the I think the reason why his chest is so
Speaker 1: bareled is because he came up with the technology to
Speaker 1: stay alive.
Speaker 4: For too long. So I'm gonna be like, he's gonna
Speaker 4: be like two hundred years old when I die, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, can someone please let me haunt this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Like he's he's got a blood void.
Speaker 4: When I die. Just make my ashes somehow affect billionaires.
Speaker 4: That's all I want. Just put me in their tea,
Speaker 4: let me hant. I'm sure I can haunt them in
Speaker 4: some way. Leave me on their front porch. Let it
Speaker 4: rat get to something. Just put it in something.
Speaker 2: Maybe stick that you upset somebody.
Speaker 4: Stick it in. Wait, put it in their water pipes.
Speaker 4: So when they turn on their bedet, my ashes go
Speaker 4: right in their asshole. That's it, That's what I want.
Speaker 1: There, you go, I'm gonna play your dead corpse in
Speaker 1: one of their like yacht engines. That way, when they
Speaker 1: turn it on, you'll just get mangled in there a corpse.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, wait, it's so hard to get her
Speaker 1: out of there. There's chunks everywhere.
Speaker 4: Also all my head, Tie, Mary can have it. There
Speaker 4: you go, there you go, you can hi ngel statue.
Speaker 3: There you go, yes, hell, yeah, Tie, that's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 1: You guys every day.
Speaker 3: Sure, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it. Let's do the thing.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. We are getting into the gaming section of
Speaker 1: the show, which is actually do that's that's I.
Speaker 2: Believe this is also exactly how Mike does it.
Speaker 1: I believe it's the gaming section of the show and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it. But Dan, you also came
Speaker 1: in and you were like, Mary got talk What did
Speaker 1: you want to talk to me about?
Speaker 3: When? When did I say that?
Speaker 1: Literally, when you came in, you were like, I got something,
Speaker 1: I got something?
Speaker 3: Oh no, it was one of my games that it's
Speaker 3: a game. I want to say, Well, we'll get to it.
Speaker 3: I want to suggest something.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, we'll get I understand you want to
Speaker 1: start with that.
Speaker 3: I could do that.
Speaker 1: I thought you found a third mouse quite frankly.
Speaker 3: No, no, I just have a game. I note like
Speaker 3: with confidence. I know you're going to like.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with it. I'm really cool.
Speaker 2: So you got you got a game for me?
Speaker 3: Wheel World? Have you heard of this?
Speaker 4: Tell wheel like a driving wheel Wheel?
Speaker 3: It's a it's a bicycling game called wheel World. Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 4: Real world for bicycles?
Speaker 3: So I don't know what that was an intentional thing,
Speaker 3: But every time I've been telling friends about this. They've
Speaker 3: been like, oh, the wheel World, you know, it sounds
Speaker 3: like that, but no, it's it's just called the wheel
Speaker 3: World and is the best way I can describe it
Speaker 3: is Breadth of the Wild Burnout Paradise, which I don't
Speaker 3: know if that does anything to your brains like it
Speaker 3: does to mine, but I like the sound of that
Speaker 3: a lot. And it's a shorter game. It's like five
Speaker 3: six hours, miss seven or eight if you want to, like,
Speaker 3: you know, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I love a short game.
Speaker 3: It is. Look it up. Look at the art style.
Speaker 3: It's really nice cell shaded art style. This track is incredible,
Speaker 3: just as very kind of like low fi, really chill
Speaker 3: art style. It is open world bicycling game where you
Speaker 3: were going around and the Breath of Wild thing is
Speaker 3: apt because you are going around to like bell shrines.
Speaker 3: So you're finding these shrines, you go up, you ring
Speaker 3: the bell. It you know, kind of fills in part
Speaker 3: of the map like in Breath the Wild, and it'll
Speaker 3: show you different different races and things. You can meet
Speaker 3: characters that will show you where different bike parts are.
Speaker 3: So basically you're just going around. You're kind of like
Speaker 3: outfitting your bike. With different gear and things like that.
Speaker 3: There's only like four stats. It doesn't go like too
Speaker 3: deep into it or anything. But yeah, it's just really
Speaker 3: chill races. You know, you'll find like riders on the
Speaker 3: road and certain ones will be glowing and if you
Speaker 3: ring your bell you can do on the spot one
Speaker 3: on one race against them. And it is it's just
Speaker 3: this kind of breath of the wild, expanding the map,
Speaker 3: exploring open world situation where you're always on the bike.
Speaker 3: You can hit why to kind of get off and
Speaker 3: walk your bike and talk to NPCs and talk to
Speaker 3: like you know, shop owners and things like that. But
Speaker 3: it's very, very straightforward. It's by the mess Hof, the
Speaker 3: team that did Nithog and Ninthog too. Yet I came
Speaker 3: out to as of this recording it came out. Oh
Speaker 3: so yeah it's out now.
Speaker 2: And Anna Produce published it.
Speaker 4: Wow. It was good.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's really really good. And like you'll get
Speaker 3: like certain like legendary parts parts for your bike that
Speaker 3: will give you things where it's like, well, okay, you've
Speaker 3: got a boost meter, which I like any game of
Speaker 3: the boost meter, and legendary parts will make it so
Speaker 3: you like kind of passively, are always getting boosts and
Speaker 3: things like that, and during the races and stuff, your
Speaker 3: name is Kat. It was girling Cat Kat, and like
Speaker 3: you know, there's like four objectives per race where it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: beat this time, get top three, and then it's like
Speaker 3: get all the floating letters and finish and the floating letters.
Speaker 1: That's actually that's exactly though. Like what I was telling you,
Speaker 1: I really like to do in the Mario Kart Open World,
Speaker 1: which is I was like getting those power up things
Speaker 1: and then I was doing whatever it is that they
Speaker 1: said I had to do, which was usually get to
Speaker 1: the end in this much time. It was very difficult
Speaker 1: and challenging, and I would have to do them like
Speaker 1: three or four times to get them done in time.
Speaker 2: And it gave me a time too, which I love.
Speaker 1: This sounds like I love little mini challenges that change
Speaker 1: it up all the time, so I'm never like getting
Speaker 1: bored or stagnant with the gameplay. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're mixing it up. Get your bike to this area,
Speaker 1: go through these hoops or rings in time like this
Speaker 1: is absolutely up my alley, Dan. It's so cool.
Speaker 3: And it's one of those games too where it's like
Speaker 3: the soundtrack is it's not just great for like, while
Speaker 3: I'm playing the video game, it's like I actually want
Speaker 3: I was like looking up the artists and stuff. Who
Speaker 3: did the soundtrack. The main one I think is June
Speaker 3: joo N. It's a songwriter from I Forget Where, But
Speaker 3: just incredible, really just chill soundtrack. Just a great kind
Speaker 3: of before bed and just relax, get a little high
Speaker 3: or something. Ride your bike around Mary. You will yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go a Macro Dosett you know. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a fucking night.
Speaker 2: I think this looks great.
Speaker 3: You will love this game. I think this seems like
Speaker 3: a merry Monday night special.
Speaker 1: This is a Merry Monday special for sure. I also
Speaker 1: love that you can customize your bike. It looks like
Speaker 1: you can get like little silly bikes that look like
Speaker 1: a horse or one of looks like a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's stuff to where it's like one of
Speaker 3: it's a banana. But like, you know, if it looks
Speaker 3: really cute, it's awesome. So you'll outfit your bike based
Speaker 3: on like this is more of a downhill race. This
Speaker 3: is one that's got more kind of hairpin turns. And
Speaker 3: you can kind of mixmatch the parts as needed. Again,
Speaker 3: short game, but just a delight for every moment I've
Speaker 3: played it, so can I.
Speaker 4: Oh they didn't yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Nice, that's great, thank you for this wreck. I actually
Speaker 1: maybe just because I've I've worked with Annapurna for so long.
Speaker 1: I actually got a little package in the mail and
Speaker 1: it was a wheel World package. This one it is
Speaker 1: that one like with the bottle and the chocolates and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Did it have a code in there?
Speaker 4: They sent you chocolates?
Speaker 3: I didn't see the code.
Speaker 1: I just got to send me real world chocolates like
Speaker 1: they have chocolates.
Speaker 4: On the sending me pins and send me chocolates. Those
Speaker 4: are more useful, Okay.
Speaker 3: I trying to. I have to wait till my face
Speaker 3: is not fucked up. But I'm looking forward to the chocolate.
Speaker 1: You can't just mung on them like you don't have
Speaker 1: to chocolate. Yeah, do that mean melt them in your mouth?
Speaker 3: I guess I could, right. I don't know if you're
Speaker 3: supposed to get like chocolate particles in your open wound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably don't want to get chocolate.
Speaker 4: I will know chocolate if I can't I'll melt chocolate
Speaker 4: my coffee.
Speaker 3: Oh, that sounds pretty good this game. Check it out.
Speaker 4: I got sugar and be on crack at the same time.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, this looks great. Thank you for the recommendation.
Speaker 1: I love I love especially just like a nice.
Speaker 2: In game Merry Monday games. So this is something I
Speaker 2: probably will play.
Speaker 1: It's hard to have so many there's so many games
Speaker 1: right now to play on Merry Mondays. I do feel
Speaker 1: a little overwhelmed with how many games that I'm playing
Speaker 1: right now. I spent my weekend playing Peak and I
Speaker 1: absolutely love it, and I fully recommend this game after
Speaker 1: playing it for like I want to say, like fourteen
Speaker 1: hours literally in a weekend. I just played it for
Speaker 1: almost eight hours each day.
Speaker 2: It was so much fun.
Speaker 3: It's tremendous. So I've done a couple Have you done
Speaker 3: it with the mod that lets you like uncap the
Speaker 3: player count with players on Giant Bombers.
Speaker 2: It's so fun, it's incredible.
Speaker 3: It's like one of the better, like prox Chad multiplayer games.
Speaker 4: I think I have to play it. Finally, I have
Speaker 4: friends that keep asking me to play it, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: one of these days.
Speaker 2: It's really, really it's a joy.
Speaker 1: And what's so fun about like having so many people
Speaker 1: play is like you'll be climbing and maybe your friend
Speaker 1: will take a different route, but I'll hear them in
Speaker 1: the distance scream, and I'll walk their body like kind
Speaker 1: of just pass by, and then they'll just disappear and
Speaker 1: you know that they fell to their death. It's extremely funny.
Speaker 3: Or you'll hear the like you know, for those who
Speaker 3: haven't seen it or played it, it's basically like you know,
Speaker 3: by default four player co op, you know, prox chat
Speaker 3: and c flimbing, a procedurally generated mountain that changes, is
Speaker 3: it every week? It's a new mountain twenty four hours,
Speaker 3: oh every twenty four hours, and I think it's it's
Speaker 3: four biomes there, it's numerous different biomes and it's just
Speaker 3: you have a staminameter, you got different things you can eat.
Speaker 3: And the fun part is that doesn't tell you any
Speaker 3: of that stuff. So every time I played, someone has
Speaker 3: seen it like, oh what does this like green crispberry do?
Speaker 3: And then you eat it, it's like, oh, I'm poisoned.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I'm dying. And then when they're dieing, yeah,
Speaker 3: the voice cuts out and it's like, well, I guess
Speaker 3: I got to carry this corpse with me up the
Speaker 3: hill and try to revive it so much.
Speaker 4: Any Like, I don't have enough friends to play video
Speaker 4: games with. I've always been It's no, I'm dead serious.
Speaker 4: I've always been like a solo gamer. And then I
Speaker 4: get really, oh it is sad.
Speaker 7: I'm just laughing at it, like, well, it looks like
Speaker 7: you have to be my friend now, okay, Like the
Speaker 7: I mean because I never really played multiplayer games and
Speaker 7: really got into him the last few years, obviously from streaming,
Speaker 7: but like almost every person I know, like my friends
Speaker 7: are playing Peak a month ago and now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 7: I'm done with night Rain.
Speaker 4: I should play this game now. I'm like, oh, we're
Speaker 4: not playing anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is the shelf life of this stuff, like you know,
Speaker 3: does does go up and down like shorter than it
Speaker 3: did before, because I feel like, specifically with somebody's like
Speaker 3: Divers too, okay, hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hell Divers is multiplayer. You need friends for Hell Divers.
Speaker 4: No, I play with random Chinese kids now because nobody
Speaker 4: plays it anymore. Everyone's like I'm playing Marble Ribles. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not playing Marble ribles. I'm playing Hell Divers.
Speaker 1: I refuse to play Marble bribles.
Speaker 3: Marble bibles do things like Repo like stick around, Like
Speaker 3: I feel like among us stuck around for a while,
Speaker 3: but like Repo definitely had It's like a moment in
Speaker 3: the sun. But like, is that still a big thing
Speaker 3: or do people just kind of move on to the
Speaker 3: next I think so.
Speaker 4: I think mainly for like streaming, I'm not so much
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, I mean I feel like that when
Speaker 4: most people want to play games is for streaming. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't always want to. I'm high as fuck and
Speaker 4: I don't want to show my face. So how about
Speaker 4: you guys stream and I'll just not I would.
Speaker 1: Join somebody else's stream to play Peak especially. I just
Speaker 1: think it lends itself. I don't think this would be
Speaker 1: a very fun solo experience. The joy of this is no.
Speaker 4: It sounds like reaching out to your.
Speaker 1: Friends, helping them up, getting them. You can have different
Speaker 1: facial expressions. It's so it's just so silly to me.
Speaker 4: Is it really on stream?
Speaker 3: I think it is right now. I'm sure it'll come
Speaker 3: those that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 3: What we all do obviously it's good to have a
Speaker 3: game that is great for streaming, but like to just
Speaker 3: the general populace, you know, like like people that are
Speaker 3: not streaming, they're not recording, they're just planning to hang
Speaker 3: out with their friends. Do these things have legs or
Speaker 3: is it just kind of like are we kind of
Speaker 3: in this bubble and we're seeing it because of what
Speaker 3: we do.
Speaker 1: I think that they have short shelf lives. I will admit,
Speaker 1: like I don't think people played Lethal Company for more
Speaker 1: than six months, and I feel like that kind of
Speaker 1: did fall off among us. Was this unique thing that
Speaker 1: just like lasted for years, but it was also during
Speaker 1: a pandemic. And yet that you have to come in
Speaker 1: perspective that we were looking for people during that time.
Speaker 4: Also, the games aren't in depth enough to last for
Speaker 4: that long. Like the problem with the Hell Divers is
Speaker 4: that they didn't really offer a lot and now they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: now we have all this DLC and shit, and it's like,
Speaker 4: well now no one cares.
Speaker 1: People are gone, Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 4: Like right that. It's like I beat all the night Lords,
Speaker 4: Now what do I do. It's like like games like Fortnite,
Speaker 4: Marvel Rivals, they have like seasons and like they're constantly
Speaker 4: putting out new content. But all these like little one
Speaker 4: off indie games, it's just they're not meant to be
Speaker 4: played for years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why aren't you making six rounds of DLC Peak
Speaker 1: so that I can constantly evolve?
Speaker 4: Is yet? Yeah? Peaks?
Speaker 1: Give me there's I mean, the biome's help.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 1: The original biome is like really simple, and once you
Speaker 1: get through it, it's usually like imagine just like honestly,
Speaker 1: like any standard rock mountain. It's not special, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything fancy. But the second biome was jungle and
Speaker 1: vines and thorns, and it had different trees and it
Speaker 1: had just different stuff like that. It had rains, so
Speaker 1: you do like if you climb when it's raining, that's
Speaker 1: not good, and like way more stuff to interact with.
Speaker 1: And then the third biome is uh snow and so
Speaker 1: you can freeze to death and you can get cold
Speaker 1: and the wind blows like crazy. It's really fun to
Speaker 1: like experience the different biomes.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be really mad if you don't invite me
Speaker 4: to play now.
Speaker 3: I feel like every time there's one of these games,
Speaker 3: you're always the one that's like, hey, we should do
Speaker 3: this together, we should play this, we should do have
Speaker 3: Patroon bonus. And we're like, yeah, that sounds like a
Speaker 3: great idea, and then we just can't find the time
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 1: I schedule.
Speaker 4: It's really tough with it. It's like it's like if
Speaker 4: I would make a joke about being single and it's
Speaker 4: going to be my dams like I'm single too, I'd
Speaker 4: be like, that's great for you.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm gonna go to see over here and you
Speaker 4: can be single over there. I know you're not offering me, Okay,
Speaker 4: you have.
Speaker 1: To make an extra effort to do it. And like
Speaker 1: for my Peak at least, like I'm I'm around streamers
Speaker 1: all day long and I wasn't invited to Peak. I
Speaker 1: had to schedule it and organize it myself. I like
Speaker 1: texted some people my health everybodies that I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to in a bit, and was like, hey, let's play peak.
Speaker 1: They downloaded it that night because that's the kind of
Speaker 1: people they are, and we had so much fucking We
Speaker 1: played this, honest to god, until three point thirty in
Speaker 1: the morning.
Speaker 2: I could not stop. How many people can you play
Speaker 2: so tired for?
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you can hack it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I can.
Speaker 4: Just maybe I should just do one stream of it
Speaker 4: when I'm done with Clear Up Scar because I'm almost
Speaker 4: done with that game. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Cool I want to hear about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to that. Yes, but damn,
Speaker 1: what were you gonna say?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, it is for But like the mod is
Speaker 3: apparently super easy because only one person has when install it,
Speaker 3: because like I've done like the Lethal Company step and everything,
Speaker 3: where everyone has to install a thing and put a
Speaker 3: folder in a drive or whatever, but like one person,
Speaker 3: like the host, has to get the character thing and
Speaker 3: you can do with like up to at least eight people.
Speaker 3: That's what we did last week in Drive Bomb, and
Speaker 3: it's a blast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an absolute it's an absolute blast.
Speaker 1: Even without that, just four people hanging out trying to
Speaker 1: get to the tipity top of this mountain. There's like
Speaker 1: a couple things that I don't think they're like mistakes
Speaker 1: or anything. I do think it's intentional, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a little frustrating because the items that you get
Speaker 1: are also randomized. You really genuinely will need a rope
Speaker 1: or you will need like some ability to climb a
Speaker 1: space that you don't you can't really get up without it,
Speaker 1: and it's and because the items are randomized, you might
Speaker 1: just get flares, which are the most useless, worthless item
Speaker 1: in the entire game. And so it's like sometimes I
Speaker 1: will like open up a suitcase and get a worthless
Speaker 1: item that I don't want, and it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we just like start over and like die because this
Speaker 1: is not a good round.
Speaker 3: Have you found a use for the trumpet outside of
Speaker 3: it being funny?
Speaker 1: No, it's so funny though, really funny. Yeah, does it
Speaker 1: have an actual use?
Speaker 3: No, That's what I'm asking you, because like I love
Speaker 3: seeing it just because it's funny, but like I've never
Speaker 3: seen an actual use for it that one.
Speaker 1: At least, its use is that it's funny, Like the
Speaker 1: flair isn't funny to me, And I don't think it
Speaker 1: has like any joke purpose. I have never laughed so
Speaker 1: hard than to watch my friend fall down the cliff
Speaker 1: while playing their trumpet, and it was like that's so funny,
Speaker 1: and like saying to like all your friends, like don't worry, guys,
Speaker 1: I got this. And you're the one that like takes
Speaker 1: the leap of faith to get top, only to like
Speaker 1: fall to your death. I think what's what I really
Speaker 1: enjoy about this game is there's other games I played
Speaker 1: where like dying is really frustrating or it's annoying and
Speaker 1: you feel like you've like wasted time. But this game
Speaker 1: has a really nice death sequence where you just become
Speaker 1: a ghost that floats near everybody and so you still
Speaker 1: get to hang out with them and possibly even annoy them,
Speaker 1: and I just and they've solved for it, still have it.
Speaker 4: It's goofy. That's why I never got in the games,
Speaker 4: like any of the big like third or first person
Speaker 4: shooter games, is that they're not goofy enough for me.
Speaker 4: And when I'm dead, I'm like, oh, I'm just hanging out, okay.
Speaker 4: I think that's what Hell Divers got for me, is
Speaker 4: that it was so goofy, and then on top of it,
Speaker 4: you would just keep getting respond until you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: you never just not play the game.
Speaker 3: But with this, it's like the perfect mix of like
Speaker 3: it is goofy, because when you die, you were this
Speaker 3: like floating tadpoles sperm looking thing with like the face
Speaker 3: your custom face on the ghost. Yeah, but then you
Speaker 3: can also, like, you know, if people are separated. I
Speaker 3: was doing the thing where like I would die and
Speaker 3: I would go talk to Jan and he'd be like,
Speaker 3: tell Grub, I'm stuck here. I need the rope. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll be right back, and my ghost to fly over
Speaker 3: the ground back Jandy's roope. Go over, he's over there.
Speaker 3: Go on, look at your left, you know, so you
Speaker 3: can actually kind of contribute as a ghost. Still, you're such.
Speaker 1: A useful ghost that I feel like you feel like
Speaker 1: you've wasted your time useful. And if you can convince
Speaker 1: your friends like get to the top, you can do it.
Speaker 1: You can do it, but you can bring back everybody
Speaker 1: at the top of the mountain and then you can
Speaker 1: do the next biome together and so like. Because of that,
Speaker 1: as long as one person makes it, and that's happened
Speaker 1: so many times, we were able to see like I
Speaker 1: think is the final biome, which is like the Lava Biome,
Speaker 1: and it's really fun and scary and I just think
Speaker 1: it's fantastically constructed and it is silly. And the devs
Speaker 1: were saying that it was like one of those games
Speaker 1: where they were just like making it during a game jam.
Speaker 2: But they thought it was so fun, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, that's a good game studio. That's a good
Speaker 1: developer group that are like this is silly and fun,
Speaker 1: like let's build this, build this bitch out, Like I
Speaker 1: think that's awesome.
Speaker 3: I've seen the devs posting that, like they made another
Speaker 3: Crab's Treasure and like that's it's like almost almost like
Speaker 3: a Soul's Like you know, it's like a real ass
Speaker 3: game and there's like loll the stupid bullshit we made.
Speaker 4: Did you ever play it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It's good. I like it.
Speaker 4: Did you ever use the gun?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I never got that you could just put a handicap
Speaker 4: on the game where you just have a gun and
Speaker 4: you one shot everything and it's like a huge gun.
Speaker 4: So you're just tiny little crap and the gun's like
Speaker 4: this big and you're like not even holding it's just
Speaker 4: floating on you and you just one shot everything in the.
Speaker 3: Game a human gun, like a glossy like.
Speaker 4: An actual human gun, and it looks so stupid, and
Speaker 4: so it's just one click in the menu. Were like,
Speaker 4: the Soul's part's too hard, Just give me the gun
Speaker 4: and it just one shot your way for the whole game.
Speaker 3: I think they get it. I think I like that team, and.
Speaker 1: I think they get it. I think they understand. So
Speaker 1: that's a good one.
Speaker 4: But going Under one, right, Going Under, Yeah, that was
Speaker 4: the That was the the first of their studio game
Speaker 4: that I knew about, where you're the girl and you're
Speaker 4: in the office and you got to basically fight your boss.
Speaker 1: I didn't play this, but I did see this, but
Speaker 1: I didn't play it.
Speaker 4: That was Yeah, that's how I knew them. Do you?
Speaker 4: But you know a game I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: I've not seen this before.
Speaker 4: Going Under game, and pretty sure it's what's called yea yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: how going Under? Yeah, it was like a kind of
Speaker 4: like a platformer, but you're like an office worker and
Speaker 4: you'd use like pencils and erasers to like fight like
Speaker 4: little evil office workers. I'm going to write, that's just
Speaker 4: very this is very goofy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you. They made this like while they
Speaker 1: were working at their like official studio, and they were like,
Speaker 1: I hate working a desk job, I hate companies.
Speaker 2: Let's quit and make some crap.
Speaker 4: I really like their basically like their art style. Yeah
Speaker 4: they got that. Uh the Nickelodeon vibes to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Peaks definitely got that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Another's Crabs, Treasure was not that long ago.
Speaker 1: In fact, i'm looking at it, really it was last
Speaker 1: year fifth, twenty twenty four. Like they made this game
Speaker 1: within a year of their last game.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Going Under came out I think in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one too, and then yeah, they're they're bill knit nice. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I knew about Going Under because my friend David, who
Speaker 4: did my anime sticker art, he did the official art
Speaker 4: for them too, so he he worked with the art
Speaker 4: director and then that's how I played the game, and
Speaker 4: the game was really good.
Speaker 1: You're obviously very well connected in the game space, Lisa.
Speaker 1: I have to talk to you about a game that
Speaker 1: Dan and I have been playing for some time now,
Speaker 1: but you've been also talking about it, Claire Obscure. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you've been digging into this game for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Tell us about your experience with Claire Obscure.
Speaker 4: Well, we're I think we're Dan. Have you beaten it?
Speaker 1: Yes, but we won't do spoiler casts because I haven't
Speaker 1: because married we're in act three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was immediately. The whole reason why I even
Speaker 4: usually start games is because I like to learn about
Speaker 4: weird gaming history, and someone's like, you should play Claire
Speaker 4: Obscure because I've been playing a lot of turn based
Speaker 4: games lately. Unfortunately, Bosso, they were like the soundtrack is
Speaker 4: phenomen because they found this guy off Reddit, and I
Speaker 4: was like, what, like someone told me that, and they're like,
Speaker 4: it's a French studio is their first game. It's like
Speaker 4: and I remember seeing the trailer like months ago, but
Speaker 4: like within the first hour of the game, I was
Speaker 4: crying and I was like, Okay, I haven't cried from
Speaker 4: a video game in a very long time. And obviously
Speaker 4: I'm I'm known as the Perry Queen, which I hate that.
Speaker 4: But when I have people that I don't even talk
Speaker 4: to you message me saying you have to play this
Speaker 4: game because you'd love the combat system and it's turn based,
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, we hate each other and you're texting me,
Speaker 4: so I guess I need to play this game. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I've been obsessed with it and now I'm at a
Speaker 4: part where it's like I'm getting close to the end,
Speaker 4: but I don't want to get to the end yet,
Speaker 4: so I'm just doing all the side stuff and it's
Speaker 4: like I haven't been locked in like this in a
Speaker 4: very long time.
Speaker 3: Now, are you? Because I wanted to do that when
Speaker 3: I got to Act three, because you know, you definitely
Speaker 3: can spend your time going around leveling up and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. But like all those chromatic bosses and everything,
Speaker 3: I would go to them, and I was probably around
Speaker 3: like level fifty ish with all my characters, they would
Speaker 3: still just whoop my ass like first turn, like how
Speaker 3: are you approaching those things? In Act three?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when they were one shotting me. What I did
Speaker 4: is I went to the Dark Shores. I learned the
Speaker 4: pattern of those big spooky guys because you'd get like
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand like experience point and I would just
Speaker 4: fight them like four times, and I'd level up ten
Speaker 4: levels and then i'd go to the Endless Tower and
Speaker 4: learn the patterns of all those guys and then from
Speaker 4: there now I'm just like able to do most things.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I feel like I didn't fuck with much.
Speaker 3: Like it'd probably be a good place to grind.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have an RPG history to you,
Speaker 1: but like the classic is, it's like if you can't
Speaker 1: kill stuff, you have to grind.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I say, you know how to grind,
Speaker 4: and I hate grinding, but I was like, where can
Speaker 4: I go where I get? Like I and I'm also
Speaker 4: like an anti googler, like I'm very like pretentious, like
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna look anything up. But I was playing
Speaker 4: and it's weird because the difficulty curve goes way up
Speaker 4: in Act three, but all you have to get is
Speaker 4: to level like sixty, which is really fast. You can
Speaker 4: level up really fast in that game, which I think
Speaker 4: is fascinating because usually don't you reach like a high
Speaker 4: level in an RPG. It's like I have to kill
Speaker 4: like thirty enemies to get to the next level. But yeah,
Speaker 4: once you get to like level sixty, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can actually play comfortably now the danger signs start
Speaker 4: to go away when you start to visit places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the danger thing. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I would go to the last part of Back two
Speaker 4: and I would just go and just do a couple
Speaker 4: grinding in through there, and they come out and be like,
Speaker 4: now I'm killing it and my bills are insane at
Speaker 4: this point.
Speaker 1: Who's like, uh, who's like your damage dealer, who's like
Speaker 1: your defender, who's like your tank?
Speaker 4: Well, I got all the pick those that are like
Speaker 4: second chance double heel uh like play first off. Mine
Speaker 4: is looney looney mael are the two like big power doers.
Speaker 4: But then I started eating everyone out and now all
Speaker 4: of my characters have like a good they move set,
Speaker 4: except for Verso is shockingly my least favorite, dably my
Speaker 4: second favorite.
Speaker 3: Oh I hate I never used can unlock anything thing
Speaker 3: and all that ship. Yeah, I never really messed with him.
Speaker 3: What I did first, I got Versato a good spot
Speaker 3: where it's like all of his base attack stuff and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you do a double attack and go
Speaker 3: again afterwards.
Speaker 4: But you gotta do the elemental hits, and then you
Speaker 4: gotta do the elemental damage. And then with with my
Speaker 4: l you gotta do the void attack and you gotta
Speaker 4: get her in the in the what was the stance Virtuoso?
Speaker 4: The Virtuosa stance, Yeah, virtuo don't I'm not French anyway, but.
Speaker 1: What he read, I try to cram the French into you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would have them in my party, and
Speaker 4: then I would have Monaco as like the third character,
Speaker 4: just to get the leveling up and then unlock all
Speaker 4: the skills. And then once you get enough skills I
Speaker 4: think I'm only missing one skill like Monica box, that's
Speaker 4: all I gotta say.
Speaker 3: Okay, with the wheel thing and everything is that like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just make sure you got one skill in
Speaker 4: there for each part of the wheel, so whatever you can,
Speaker 4: and then you try to realize like oh, like like
Speaker 4: his big like elemental damage. If you have it on
Speaker 4: the right wheel, it does some does some good shit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm even out with everyone now.
Speaker 3: I like to seel a lot like it. At first,
Speaker 3: it seemed a little overwhelming with the Foretel stuff and everything,
Speaker 3: but once figured out, it's not that bad at all.
Speaker 1: Once you figure it out, She's pretty powerful. Also, she
Speaker 1: does damage no one else does.
Speaker 4: All the girls are they're like the badasses. Monica is
Speaker 4: more like a support character, but he has a lot
Speaker 4: of attacks that can attack all characters. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you just find one elemental of each and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this this enemy, he don't like earth damage, so you
Speaker 4: just put like heavy earth damage on all enemies and
Speaker 4: then there you go.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't agree more. His game is like truly
Speaker 1: like badass ladies the game. Everybody in this game is
Speaker 1: just like so powerful and so important.
Speaker 2: And so badass as a girl.
Speaker 1: It's really cool to like go through these phases with
Speaker 1: them and watch them like do these incredible things together.
Speaker 2: And there is a.
Speaker 4: Horror there's a harem of women going after verso versus
Speaker 4: trying and they're like, no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that. Uh, there's like a trope for that
Speaker 1: where yeah, in like anime, there's like a dude with
Speaker 1: three girls and.
Speaker 4: I like the harem harem and it's like, and that's
Speaker 4: how I don't like Final Fancy. I'm gonna be that person.
Speaker 4: He's like not a final fan.
Speaker 1: I did play No you was getting really well here guy, Yeah.
Speaker 4: File Fantasy six and it was great. But then I
Speaker 4: realized I got to a point in the game where
Speaker 4: I thought I beat it, and I only went halfway through,
Speaker 4: and I said, fuck this game. But I beat Krona
Speaker 4: Trigger for the first time this year, and that does
Speaker 4: everything I love about g RPGs or turn Base, like
Speaker 4: I don't have to grind. It's very easy to understand,
Speaker 4: like if my main party character dies, I can still
Speaker 4: use my backup characters, Like that's why I heye about
Speaker 4: for five or Persona is that if he dies, so
Speaker 4: does everyone else, Like that's bullshit. But like Claire up Spirits,
Speaker 4: like if your party dies, you can use your backup
Speaker 4: party to try to save the day. So that's why
Speaker 4: I made sure everyone was even leveled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious. You mentioned Final Fantasy six and like,
Speaker 3: growing up, I could not stand JRPGs, and as I
Speaker 3: got older, I wanted to go back and like everyone
Speaker 3: talks like they're the best game ever. I've started Final
Speaker 3: Fantasy six like three times, and every time it's just
Speaker 3: slow as hell to start. I always bounced off really quick.
Speaker 3: But like Chrono Trigger, I reviewed the DS version back
Speaker 3: when it came out, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: this game's actually like I really liked Krona Trigger. What
Speaker 3: is it that? What am I missing about Final Fantasy six?
Speaker 3: Or like, what is the thing that Liken you played
Speaker 3: him recently? Like what does Corona Trigger do better than
Speaker 3: Final Fantasy six?
Speaker 4: Felt like it's like a passion project of like three
Speaker 4: incredible like game developers, and like Toriama too was involved
Speaker 4: with it, and then Final Fantasy Like, people are gonna
Speaker 4: hate me for this. I never played Final Fantasy seven.
Speaker 4: Growing up. I was a Nintendo person, so I missed
Speaker 4: out on a lot of PlayStation games. So I played
Speaker 4: the remake as my first File Fancy and I was like,
Speaker 4: this feels very corporate. Like I was like that was
Speaker 4: the word I came up with. And everyone's like, you
Speaker 4: don't understand, like this is the most amazing. They put
Speaker 4: so much up, Like this feels gross after a while
Speaker 4: and it's so long, And I was like, and I
Speaker 4: don't really like Cloud and like Tifa's relationship with him,
Speaker 4: and like Era's relationship. I was like, I was not
Speaker 4: a fan of I don't like cat boys that much either,
Speaker 4: Like like you're a child, like I had to grow
Speaker 4: up from anime. I'm like, listen, you're a child's soldier.
Speaker 4: Why do you look like you work at Hollister?
Speaker 3: Like I just it is Cloud a cat boy?
Speaker 4: What are the I mean it's a cat boy? He
Speaker 4: looks he looks like a cat. Yeah. It's like every
Speaker 4: like even the old people in File Fancy seven look
Speaker 4: like male model babies, like babies, like the old people
Speaker 4: just like they're just like botoxed, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean, Like like Goku a cat boy.
Speaker 4: No to me, Twink is what I'm trying.
Speaker 3: To say, equals cat boy, Like.
Speaker 4: I love Claire obscure because it's like everyone is like
Speaker 4: beat up and like dirty, Like it's like.
Speaker 1: Every animation after a fight and it looks like they're
Speaker 1: about to die.
Speaker 4: Shit. And like my only exception is like like Leon
Speaker 4: from like Resident Evil because Resident Evil's so goofy w.
Speaker 4: He's like I gotta go kill some zombies now, you know.
Speaker 4: But like File Fancy, it's like Cloud is like I'm
Speaker 4: just so traumatized that I can't be nice everyone. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: but you still put gel in your hair every morning
Speaker 4: for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not haating you, seriously, I'm traumatized.
Speaker 4: I'm just so traumatized. And he has like eye patches
Speaker 4: on like so it's like it's a hard cell for me.
Speaker 4: Like I loved File Fantacy sixteen because it wasn't turn
Speaker 4: based and like Clive was just like a dirty cat
Speaker 4: boy but he was like hot and like bury and
Speaker 4: like beat up. But like yeah, like it was It's
Speaker 4: just hard for me to get a follow Fancy because
Speaker 4: I'm just like you guys just all look like K
Speaker 4: pop stars, Like.
Speaker 3: Like outside of sixteen, did the series? Like has have
Speaker 3: they gone outside of that? You think?
Speaker 4: Or is it all really No, That's why I don't
Speaker 4: play anime style games like I like Persona five, Like
Speaker 4: that was the whole reason why I got a PS
Speaker 4: four to begin with. But it's like I knew they
Speaker 4: were like in high school, and it's got way more
Speaker 4: of like an anime vibe to it, which I was
Speaker 4: okay with, but like most of the time, it's like
Speaker 4: I can't listen. I want my I want snake. I
Speaker 4: need my man to look like he smells like the
Speaker 4: dead rats in your apartment, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, or your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm dirty.
Speaker 5: I want I'm filthy, and I give I give looney,
Speaker 5: you know, the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 4: She does have those la lip flip. They did give
Speaker 4: her that in the game, and I was like, listen,
Speaker 4: she's about to die in a year. She can look
Speaker 4: as hot as she wants, okay, Like she.
Speaker 1: Got work done because this is her last.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this bitch has work done.
Speaker 1: Okay, she chose to serve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta stop the garage.
Speaker 1: They do look good. I mean I don't want them
Speaker 1: to look too fucked up. I just think they like
Speaker 1: clairebs gear like rode the line between like let them
Speaker 1: be dirty, let them be disgusting. But they're all super cute,
Speaker 1: Like they're all like cute little characters, and I think
Speaker 1: they did a good job making everybody fun to look at.
Speaker 2: Even Ska is like super fun to.
Speaker 4: I want to ask. I want to ask you a tattoo.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I love him.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna get a tattoo of a rock and
Speaker 1: then we can just hang out together.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think Claire and also having like the
Speaker 4: ability to parry and dodge. I haven't dodged once in
Speaker 4: the game. I've just been pairing everything. I think having
Speaker 4: that ability like makes it more interactive because term based
Speaker 4: the reason why people hate is that every fight feels
Speaker 4: like a drag. But at least in Claire, obscurity doesn't
Speaker 4: feel like that because it's just oh interactive, and because
Speaker 4: you have the option to actually block every attack, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it gives me something to do in a pattern to
Speaker 4: learn because.
Speaker 3: Most different way, like the Mario Luigi games, like those RPGs, like.
Speaker 4: The the like the Super Mario rpg.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the DS and GBA like Mario and Luigi Ones.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I have I did play the Super
Speaker 4: Mario RPG.
Speaker 3: Like that one's great, but like.
Speaker 4: From Superintendo, but not the Mario and Luigi ones.
Speaker 3: No, those are so fucking good. And even though I
Speaker 3: hated j RPG's growing up, those are the ones I
Speaker 3: like because of the same reasons you were just mentioning,
Speaker 3: because they are giving you like kind of in the
Speaker 3: middle of battle. You're not just selecting something from a
Speaker 3: menu and watching something happen. It is very like you
Speaker 3: can dodge stuff, you can make things do more damage
Speaker 3: and everything like, and they're funny as hell, like those
Speaker 3: Mario Luigi games are incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there isn't much. There's a little bit of humor
Speaker 4: and clear obscure, but I don't care about it.
Speaker 3: There's some it picks its spots. It's mainly just like
Speaker 3: random like NPC interactions and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, French French, the Friend and sharn't known for their comedy.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're like everyone vill die and it's
Speaker 1: just like I may like.
Speaker 4: It, but they do have mimes and they do have bagattes.
Speaker 1: So I hate that fucking mime. I hate that fucking mime.
Speaker 1: I hate that enemy. It's so hard to kill that mime.
Speaker 3: I never killed the Mime and I never see me.
Speaker 4: I learned the attacks, I learned the patterns.
Speaker 3: It was the first enemy I ran into, and it
Speaker 3: just would my ass And like I feel like every
Speaker 3: time I saw Mime, it would just like jump out
Speaker 3: from behind a tree, one shot me, and then I
Speaker 3: would avoid him the rest of the game. I never
Speaker 3: killed them.
Speaker 4: And even if you.
Speaker 1: Learn the attacks, just to defend myself for a second,
Speaker 1: I did learn his fucking attacks. And he is so
Speaker 1: hard to just take down, yep, because he put the
Speaker 1: first thing he does is put up a shield. He
Speaker 1: puts up this like fake brick wall because that's what
Speaker 1: mimes do, because they're so fucking funny. And everything I
Speaker 1: was doing did like fifty damage. As you guys know,
Speaker 1: everything in that game is like a million health. So
Speaker 1: it just it took forty minutes for me to wear
Speaker 1: this mime down.
Speaker 2: I just hate them.
Speaker 4: Monaco gets a move where you can damage through shields
Speaker 4: and it's a high in physical damage and it does Yeah.
Speaker 4: See ah, you gotta be like me, just unlock everything
Speaker 4: and just study it and then be like I'm still
Speaker 4: bad at the game.
Speaker 2: It's why I don't like these types of games.
Speaker 1: But I do like Clapscua, but like, oh, these games
Speaker 1: are so exhaustingly like where it's like, well you have
Speaker 1: to know that you need to get her to burn them,
Speaker 1: and then it puts what's your fucking face? And then
Speaker 1: the guy has like a mark that like if he
Speaker 1: burns it, he does like actually, it's like so like
Speaker 1: re read a book, like just let me hit them.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, I'll just show you what I got because
Speaker 4: one time, like I figured it out, was like that
Speaker 4: was nice about streaming it is I'd be like I'm
Speaker 4: allowing some backsey gaming and they'd be like, equip this
Speaker 4: move and this move, just use those. I'm like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck? Like I did the the Stettondall move of
Speaker 4: of ma L. It's the toughest move in the game.
Speaker 4: It's like it just like one shots these chromatic enemies
Speaker 4: and like what you.
Speaker 3: Put on the thing that lumier that makes it so
Speaker 3: you can go over nine nine nine?
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh I don't think you can do I can, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you can't play the game without that. And then there.
Speaker 1: Obviously lovely and a really good gamer, but I also
Speaker 1: think that you know this game too much and I
Speaker 1: think you're kind of you're a bit snotty about it.
Speaker 4: Well, you're the thing I'm I'm like, there is a
Speaker 4: time like this year has been really rough as far
Speaker 4: as like I've been traveling so much ever since I Bala,
Speaker 4: it's been tough to like play a bunch of games,
Speaker 4: like I wish I was up to date on game
Speaker 4: now that I do, like more journalism stuff I do,
Speaker 4: But like I'll get locked into a game and I'll
Speaker 4: just like that is my goals. Just I have to
Speaker 4: do everything in that game, and then I ruined my life.
Speaker 1: You're presenting claim Scare is crazy.
Speaker 4: I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I mean, I'm very impressed by you,
Speaker 1: and uh that's probably probably yellow deep down inside. But
Speaker 1: you're also very addicted to a couple games like obviously,
Speaker 1: Claire ob Sciar takes a lot of hours, but I
Speaker 1: think one of the games that takes like the most
Speaker 1: hours is elden Ring. And you've been telling me that
Speaker 1: you've been burning through night Rain, which is psychotic as well,
Speaker 1: So tell me about your experiences through elden Ring.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I did you play night Rain.
Speaker 1: I am not a good enough gamer for night Rain.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna admit that very openly and take a
Speaker 1: slice of humble pie.
Speaker 4: Listen. I kind of cheated with that because I love
Speaker 4: elden Ring. But I started playing the game, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm terrible at this. And then I got hired to
Speaker 4: do like a night Rain like sport casting thing and
Speaker 4: it was like six night Rain professionals and I just
Speaker 4: watched what they did and I mimic it every time.
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's actually really cool.
Speaker 4: We're just saying, oh, they go here and then they
Speaker 4: go here, because it's like it's not you're not playing
Speaker 4: it like elden Ring, where you're like skilled at a
Speaker 4: specific build. You're playing it like like kind of like Fortnite,
Speaker 4: like you're like, we gotta get this thing because this
Speaker 4: this enemy will give you this power, this enemy will
Speaker 4: be this power. It's like you have fifteen minutes until
Speaker 4: the first night Lord, and so you're just rushing. But
Speaker 4: the problem is that I have to play with a
Speaker 4: lot of randoms because From Software hasn't done cross platform yet,
Speaker 4: which is insane to have a multiplayer game. What are you, Nintendo?
Speaker 4: But it's just like it's like, how are you gonna
Speaker 4: have this cross platform? This multiplayer game not be cross platform.
Speaker 4: So all my friends are playing on Steve and I'm
Speaker 4: playing on PS five, right.
Speaker 3: Are they sad?
Speaker 4: I don't know. But there's also no voice chats. Every
Speaker 4: time I play with Randos. It's like the Spider Man
Speaker 4: meme where it's like who's the leader.
Speaker 3: Who's leading at yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and so it's like you just wait for
Speaker 4: someone to mark the first castle and then you're like
Speaker 4: that person's the leader. But sometimes they take places you
Speaker 4: don't want to go, and now I've gotten really good.
Speaker 4: The problem is is like every run is just randomized.
Speaker 4: So it's like you may think like, okay, I just
Speaker 4: got to get like a good electric weapon or lightning weapon,
Speaker 4: like I get to do fire weapon. You don't know
Speaker 4: exactly what weapons you're gonna get unless you have like
Speaker 4: a room that tells you what treasures in what areas.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a lot. I mean it's fun because
Speaker 4: it's like forty five minutes, like a basic multiplayer game
Speaker 4: is forty five minute run, and then it's like cool,
Speaker 4: I got my souls fixed for the day and now
Speaker 4: I can move on with my life.
Speaker 3: I just I've been I have not touched it yet,
Speaker 3: despite Elden Ring being like one of my favorite games ever,
Speaker 3: and I think it's And tell me if I'm way
Speaker 3: out base here, because like, the thing I love about
Speaker 3: elden Ring is like I've never been that like Securo
Speaker 3: guy that can you know, parry, and I'm really good
Speaker 3: at these games. I'm not that guy.
Speaker 4: Like you don't parry at all in this game. It's impossible.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, I mean I just to say that,
Speaker 3: like I'm not good at from grams. I like them,
Speaker 3: I respect them deeply, But like elden Ring, the thing
Speaker 3: that I loved about it was the discovery aspects. It's
Speaker 3: the same way I liked Breath of the Wild, where
Speaker 3: it's like I'm kind of plopping into this world and
Speaker 3: I just stumble into like oh my god, klid, this
Speaker 3: is fucked up, or like I open this treasure chest
Speaker 3: and I'm across the map and like that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: Seeing the breadth of the game. It's not the moment
Speaker 3: to moment combat because I'm not great at that, but
Speaker 3: I can cheose it, i can level up and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Is this game not for me? If that's
Speaker 3: what I like about elden Ring.
Speaker 4: I think the discovery part of this game is the
Speaker 4: best part. Oh okay, yeah, but it is all the
Speaker 4: same map. You just have to find the right treasures
Speaker 4: and the right builds, and I like that that it's
Speaker 4: kind of like just elden Ring packed into this tiny thing.
Speaker 4: Everyone's at the same level when you start out, and
Speaker 4: you're just like, Okay, don't kill any little enemies, go
Speaker 4: for the great bosses. Kill a great boss, you get
Speaker 4: the option of three different weapons or one like power up,
Speaker 4: grab that one, go to the next boss, and so
Speaker 4: it's really just like a mini boss rush. But the
Speaker 4: discovering part of like being like, oh, in this cave,
Speaker 4: let's see what you can get out of here, that's
Speaker 4: the cool part. And they do like Shifted Earth where
Speaker 4: it's like discover the secrets of the underground city and
Speaker 4: so you run through, but it's definitely like you have
Speaker 4: there's no time to parry and learn how to play
Speaker 4: the game. It's like you're just going in. You're just slashing.
Speaker 4: And the difficulty is like Matt with your level two,
Speaker 4: like the highest level and Get is fifteen and you
Speaker 4: start at level one.
Speaker 3: So is that a persistent thing or do you start
Speaker 3: at level one every time you.
Speaker 4: Start a level one every time, like you always start
Speaker 4: at the same level, so you just have to make
Speaker 4: sure you have a good team or you just have
Speaker 4: to be able to know where you want to go
Speaker 4: and where to go. And I like it. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It is weird. It's hard to explain because it's not
Speaker 4: like elden Ring. It's not like a Soul's game where
Speaker 4: it's like I'm gonna start off with my little Katana
Speaker 4: and do a Dex build. It's like, no, bitch, you
Speaker 4: got six characters. Each one of them has a certain build.
Speaker 4: You just gotta choose one of these characters and stick
Speaker 4: with their like big arts. Their character arts is the
Speaker 4: big thing.
Speaker 2: You're a Wilder and.
Speaker 4: His thing is he does like a big stagger attack
Speaker 4: and then he can like grapple to an enemy that's
Speaker 4: too far away or bring him towards him. So it's
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: I need to try it. It's weird that there's like
Speaker 3: a new elden Ring adjacent game and I haven't played it, Like,
Speaker 3: I gotta try it.
Speaker 4: It is I think it's we're checking out, But I
Speaker 4: definitely think you should play with people that you know
Speaker 4: are playing. Playing with randoms is very hit or miss.
Speaker 4: And it's been a lot more miss lately than hits
Speaker 4: for me because I can tell when I'm going to
Speaker 4: run with someone they just want to test out a
Speaker 4: new weapon or test out a new character, and they're
Speaker 4: not like following our path. And then I'm like, god,
Speaker 4: damn it away and then you can quit the game,
Speaker 4: and then I'm like you might be in penalized for this,
Speaker 4: like why what did I do?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 4: Guy sucks?
Speaker 3: You know anyways, but that'sile of games we should play.
Speaker 4: If we ever heard me, I'll pilo you, guys, I'll
Speaker 4: download it for Steam.
Speaker 2: I will disappoint you.
Speaker 1: I just like I know my limits and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be like, was too big big of a boss? And
Speaker 1: I just like playing my little I'm playing Mais Mice
Speaker 1: right now, you guys.
Speaker 4: She's like, I have been settled into comfort. Is what
Speaker 4: You're a comfortable person?
Speaker 1: I have a comfort. I do play like horror games
Speaker 1: and that will like fuck me up, but like, I
Speaker 1: just don't like playing games.
Speaker 2: That make me sad.
Speaker 1: Did your cats knock something over?
Speaker 4: No, that's me trying to grab a chip and I
Speaker 4: knock something over. Can you see this?
Speaker 1: I really could have? Yes, I can double trouble triple
Speaker 1: if you consider you grabbing chips and knocking shit over.
Speaker 4: Listen, I can't, but I suck at other games. Like
Speaker 4: you're like you're good at video No, I'm good at
Speaker 4: the games that I'm willing to be good at. I'm
Speaker 4: terrible at most games. I'm also a bad liar. So
Speaker 4: among Us did nothing for men twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I fell off, but it had its
Speaker 1: moment anyway, I like, legitimately am playing a game called
Speaker 1: Maize Mice. It is a rogue light that is a
Speaker 1: little bit Vampire Survivors because it is an auto shooter,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to attack right, like every time
Speaker 1: you get a power.
Speaker 4: I think it has.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's interesting, it's it's done in a very
Speaker 1: different way, and let me try and do my best
Speaker 1: to explain it. But I do think if you like
Speaker 1: look it up, you can see a trailer that will help.
Speaker 1: But like you're in a pre selected maze, right, just
Speaker 1: like a pac Man. Okay, and I actually think this
Speaker 1: game has pac Man inspiration. For sure. You need to
Speaker 1: collect these blue balls, which are like how you level
Speaker 1: up and get I know, I think I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it on our Game of the Year list for best
Speaker 1: balls Dan, and you have to, like you have to
Speaker 1: get these balls that you can level up your experience
Speaker 1: that way you can get more stuff. But the balls
Speaker 1: are always by these sleeping cats. Now, once you walk
Speaker 1: past a cat, the cats are going to chase.
Speaker 2: You and they auto they're like.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so you have to like do a path consistently.
Speaker 1: Here's the key part that I think I like about
Speaker 1: this game. Time only moves when you do so if
Speaker 1: at any point in time, yes, just like super Hot
Speaker 1: uh super Hot pac Man and Vampire Survivors. Anytime I
Speaker 1: want to take a break, I just don't move, and
Speaker 1: time is still. I can pee or make a drank
Speaker 1: or have a think about stuff, and then when I move,
Speaker 1: everything moves too.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that you're safe.
Speaker 1: You have to be like constantly thinking about your next
Speaker 1: move because the cats don't just follow you. They're sleeping
Speaker 1: cats before you get them block paths. So this is
Speaker 1: kind of like the designer of whoever made this is
Speaker 1: like you have to wake up these cats because they.
Speaker 2: Will block your path and then you will get blocked in.
Speaker 1: Also, mice mays mice. As time progresses, there will be
Speaker 1: a secondary enemy that goes through walls and does not
Speaker 1: follow your path. It's like a ghost and it just floats.
Speaker 2: And can find you.
Speaker 1: And so you have to start thinking strategically of like
Speaker 1: how you get past the cats that follow you, the mice, sorry,
Speaker 1: the ghosts that don't follow you. Really fun on mobile,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's very casual and fun. This is
Speaker 1: like a simple, casual but addictive gameplay mechanic. The art
Speaker 1: to me leaves something be desired. I wish they put
Speaker 1: a little bit more TLC into the to the style
Speaker 1: of this game. Mid Max even stopped by when I
Speaker 1: was streaming it and was like, what do you think
Speaker 1: about the art style? And I was like game, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not expensive.
Speaker 3: This is an India as indie game, good Steam game,
Speaker 3: good flight game.
Speaker 1: I think you could enjoy this on a flight, especially
Speaker 1: with your experience of liking both Vampire Survivors and pac Man. Yo,
Speaker 1: you and I had a pac Man and flights. Dan
Speaker 1: loves a flight. I think you get into this for
Speaker 1: a couple hours. Do I think that this is the
Speaker 1: game that you're gonna come back and be like Mary,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so that No.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I think this would eat
Speaker 2: up a flight.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, oh yeah, I'm like hot and cold with
Speaker 1: this game. I don't think it's bad or anything. I
Speaker 1: actually think it does. I think it does stuff mechanically
Speaker 1: that I wish Vampire Survivors did, Like, I think it
Speaker 1: plays with the map more. The fact that the sleeping
Speaker 1: cats actually prevent you from taking certain pathways is small.
Speaker 1: I think it's like, this is a developer ass developer game.
Speaker 1: You can tell. The dude was like, mechanically, I want
Speaker 1: to evolve this genre, not just make another Vampire Survivors,
Speaker 1: And I respect that, but I just think like it's
Speaker 1: also ultimately a little simple, and so it did get repetitive.
Speaker 2: After three hours.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I think I've seen this
Speaker 1: game generally speaking, and I don't think it's like amazing
Speaker 1: to look at. But that being said, oh, it also
Speaker 1: has nice jazz music, which I like, so ooh some
Speaker 1: jazzy tones.
Speaker 2: As you were saying, anyway.
Speaker 4: Some some squeaky kurds playing some squeeze.
Speaker 3: You never get that we're going to popularize this phrase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, squeaky chords was lighten it up.
Speaker 4: I was a safe speaking of pac Man. I played
Speaker 4: some Shadow Labyrinth.
Speaker 3: What the fuck is that game?
Speaker 4: Have you heard about it? Right?
Speaker 3: I've heard about it, but it's like a Demon pac Man,
Speaker 3: but it's a Metrodvenea like Emo pac Man.
Speaker 4: It is. You watched the Secret Level episode? Right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Did you watch it? Mary?
Speaker 1: What's a secret Level?
Speaker 4: Do you never wantch oh? Okay, it's totally listen. I
Speaker 4: only watched all of them because I had to review them,
Speaker 4: but it was Amazon Primes, Love Death and Robots director
Speaker 4: made Secret Level and it's like fifteen minute like episodes like.
Speaker 1: Don't tell Andy Jassey that I have not watched Amazon Primes.
Speaker 4: See Amazon Prime video Secret Level, which is like they
Speaker 4: have like a Mega Man episode, a Warhammer one, they
Speaker 4: had a Spelunky one. It was Yeah, it was the
Speaker 4: most random.
Speaker 1: It felt like twenty minutes long.
Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, it was longer than the game's release,
Speaker 4: is what it was. But they did a secret They
Speaker 4: did a pac Man one and it was like horrifying.
Speaker 4: It was like this like guy wakes up in like
Speaker 4: this prison. He's like eating all these monsters. You can
Speaker 4: tell he's like getting sick from it. And then puck
Speaker 4: like this giant yellow Ball was like you gotta eat
Speaker 4: or be eaten. You know. He did have a Brooklyn accent,
Speaker 4: but he was just like, hey, you gotta eat or
Speaker 4: beat you know. But like at the end he like
Speaker 4: turns his horrif we gotta go away. And then everyone
Speaker 4: was like what the fuck was that? And then the
Speaker 4: found out they made a game out of it? A
Speaker 4: good it is interesting, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's not an answer.
Speaker 4: It's not bad.
Speaker 2: It's not give me, give me a number out of ten.
Speaker 4: Depends on how you read the number.
Speaker 8: Ratings a six point five to seven. We had to
Speaker 8: skirt around it, i will say, because it's like a Metroidvania,
Speaker 8: which I'm like, okay, that's pretty fucking smart to make
Speaker 8: a metro Vani and pac Man game.
Speaker 4: And like you can turn into pac Man and like
Speaker 4: go along the walls and like jump and jump to
Speaker 4: like discover new areas. But like there's mex there's like
Speaker 4: cute anime girls. There's like months. It's like the ghosts
Speaker 4: are called g Hosts and they're like giant gun dam
Speaker 4: with like gooey heads and like that. There's like hot
Speaker 4: anime girls and you have to discover their secrets and
Speaker 4: like Puck is like you're it's like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: they went off the wall and they were like and
Speaker 4: they're so like, fuck, yeah we did. We're proud of
Speaker 4: this weird, unhinged thing. And I was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: good for you guys?
Speaker 1: I respect it is unhinged.
Speaker 2: What what what doesn't do it for you?
Speaker 4: I think it's the art style really because metro veniy wise,
Speaker 4: it's very basic. It's very easy to figure out, but
Speaker 4: like I feel like it's almost like too funko poppy,
Speaker 4: like where it's like they almost nailed it, but and
Speaker 4: like it's not a cool character design. They have like
Speaker 4: a bunch of like other Bandai like Arcade references in there.
Speaker 4: They got like a dig dug reference. It's like an
Speaker 4: MCU type thing. But it's just a little too like
Speaker 4: if you're gonna go full spooky full metroid dread on me,
Speaker 4: like go full spooky, don't like add in hot anime girls,
Speaker 4: and like it's like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't know what it is.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really. It's just like they were like they
Speaker 4: went all edge. It's like full edge. Lord, I should like.
Speaker 3: It sounds to me like i'mmer Man acts zero when
Speaker 3: they suddenly.
Speaker 4: It's almost like pac Man himself is going to say
Speaker 4: a slur halfway through the game, Like, that's the kind
Speaker 4: of vibe I got from it.
Speaker 3: Is Puck ever addressed as pac Man? Do they say
Speaker 3: pac Man in the game at any point?
Speaker 4: I didn't play long enough to find out, but Puck
Speaker 4: is technically pac Man and.
Speaker 1: Half out of his mouth more like he's he's fucking
Speaker 1: balls every game.
Speaker 4: Would be cooler if he was like an old cook
Speaker 4: from like Brooklyn, but instead he's like a redditor.
Speaker 3: But also pac Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the combat, like if you like metro vanias,
Speaker 4: like if you like Basia, that's I do.
Speaker 3: I head around the pac Man part of this. This
Speaker 3: seems so nebulous.
Speaker 1: I know, and isn't Metroid pac Man. Also because it's
Speaker 1: also ball.
Speaker 4: Form, I guess. Yeah, so instead of the spider ball,
Speaker 4: you turn into pac Man and does the walk walk
Speaker 4: a sound? So that's more like I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you can make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you turn it into pac Man at any
Speaker 3: point or is it just specific?
Speaker 4: Yeah, on certain lines or whatever, you can turn to
Speaker 4: pac Man and collect the dots, and the dots help
Speaker 4: you like level up your sword blah blah blah, and
Speaker 4: then during like boss fights, you just sword fight them.
Speaker 4: It's very like Hollow Night. And then when you kill them,
Speaker 4: Puck turns in this like giant grotesque creature and like
Speaker 4: eats it, and it's like you got to eat to
Speaker 4: figure out the secrets of this tunnel and the hot
Speaker 4: anime girls. And I'm like, okay, fine, whatever you say,
Speaker 4: mister pac Man.
Speaker 3: I think ten minutes ago, I was somewhat curious about
Speaker 3: what this game is, and I think after hearing more
Speaker 3: about it, I think I'm less interested.
Speaker 4: You should definitely watch like gameplay of it, like it's it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: if you like basic metro Vanea, it might hit the spot,
Speaker 4: but the I feel like it's just a little too
Speaker 4: edgy for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of really good Metrovanians that don't do.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't Man, I think it'd be fine. But
Speaker 4: the fact that pac Man is like.
Speaker 3: Weird choice to make it pac Man adjacent very strange.
Speaker 1: It does get us talking about it, though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like people are like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: did they do the Packman? Like, to be fair, there
Speaker 4: is no story to pac Man, like.
Speaker 3: You're you get married kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like I always thought it was miss
Speaker 4: pac Man like, it's actually missus pac Man, like she's
Speaker 4: divorced in my head. Okay, oh sure, or mister pac
Speaker 4: Man and miss Pacman could be the same thing. You
Speaker 4: never know, Miss Pacman could be the drag pac Man.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 3: I like I would play drag pac Man.
Speaker 4: That's why they have like a bow tie and in
Speaker 4: the lip do this is drag makeup? You know?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: That does help me, like, because it's not just disney fied.
Speaker 1: It's not like we slapped some eyelashes on her now
Speaker 1: you're right. It's like there's like an actual concept behind
Speaker 1: it of a dude who's just this had enough balls
Speaker 1: and haven't we all.
Speaker 4: The serial level episod what I think is worth watching.
Speaker 4: I actually liked it and then they're like, oh they
Speaker 4: actually made a game out of this. Oh okay, never mind.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, you were serious type situation.
Speaker 2: It's pretty neat though, but yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 1: It's a hard cell, but I like think, like generally speaking,
Speaker 1: there's probably like some interest in there. I genuinely do
Speaker 1: love a metroid, so like.
Speaker 4: Listen it was it was I checked it out just
Speaker 4: to check it out, and I was like, all right.
Speaker 4: I played a few hours, got through a few bosses.
Speaker 4: It's fun, but it has to have some kind of
Speaker 4: cool level design or artwork or character design for me
Speaker 4: to really catch on. And it does not Like Hia
Speaker 4: I was so simple? How is the pac Man team
Speaker 4: not following something like that?
Speaker 1: Everybody else is copied Hollow Night to Dead because it's
Speaker 1: actually a genius piece of art. Dan, you've been playing
Speaker 1: Donkey Kong Bananza, how's that transition party?
Speaker 3: It is just it's one of those games where I
Speaker 3: feel like when people were in a room and they
Speaker 3: put a picture of me on the wall and they said,
Speaker 3: make a game for that guy. And every fucking thing
Speaker 3: this game does is just lighting up my brain making
Speaker 3: me happy. It is the most like in terms of
Speaker 3: time to fun. It is the fastest I've maybe ever seen,
Speaker 3: because you get a five or ten second cut scene
Speaker 3: just showing like here's ingot ale, and then it's like
Speaker 3: your Donkey Kong and there's no It doesn't pause for
Speaker 3: tutorial stuff. It doesn't explain anything stuff. Yeah, three out
Speaker 3: of the four face buttons are just for fucking things up,
Speaker 3: So it is just you know, fuck things up, forward,
Speaker 3: fuckings up up, fuck things up, down, and jump, which
Speaker 3: that's like the ideal face button assortment for me. And
Speaker 3: you can just dig through I would say, like ninety
Speaker 3: percent of the environment. Like they will occasionally gate things
Speaker 3: with like here's a steel wall or something like that
Speaker 3: that you have to figure out your way around, but
Speaker 3: everything can be climbed and not like stamina meter, which look,
Speaker 3: I love Breath the Wild and here's the Kingdom, like
Speaker 3: my favorite games ever. Makes sense why they would have stamina.
Speaker 3: But if you're Donkey Kong, just this big dumb idiot,
Speaker 3: the idea of being able to infinitely climb up every
Speaker 3: wall and destroy every piece of the environment and chuck enemies,
Speaker 3: chuck things at enemies, turn into a fucking zebra turn
Speaker 3: it like it's just it is complete controlled chaos. Like
Speaker 3: I am jamming on the face buttons in a way
Speaker 3: that I have not done in games in a long time,
Speaker 3: where I am just leveling these areas and at any
Speaker 3: point you could fuck up an area so much that
Speaker 3: it's like broken. You can't get from point A to
Speaker 3: point B, and you can always reset the terrain, which
Speaker 3: is kind of an insane thing on the tech side.
Speaker 3: It is it's got so much personality. It's got a
Speaker 3: lot of Mario Otissey DNA like, especially like in the
Speaker 3: boss fights things like that, a lot of stuff like
Speaker 3: the fonts, just that idea of like in Mario Odyssey,
Speaker 3: where everywhere you walked there was something and it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: what's that thing that's weird? Oh that's a moon. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a challenge for a moon. Same way here where
Speaker 3: it's like whether you're digging through a thing or helping
Speaker 3: a weird blue crystal with eyes find his children, Like
Speaker 3: there's just shit everywhere you look. And I have not
Speaker 3: been bored for a second. I'm probably like ten hours
Speaker 3: into this game. I have hundreds of bananas, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to be sad when this game is over.
Speaker 4: It is so fun, so jealous of everyone got a
Speaker 4: switch to.
Speaker 3: Oh it is? Do you like a Lisa? Are you
Speaker 3: into like Breath the Wild?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm yeah. I was a Nintendo fan
Speaker 4: every Nintendo console ever made, So.
Speaker 3: You know how like Breath the Wild, Like you know,
Speaker 3: you you get past that tutorial area and it's just
Speaker 3: like kill Gannon is the thing, and like I love
Speaker 3: that open endedness of just like figured out I don't
Speaker 3: know kill ganon like it basically has that with Donkey Kong,
Speaker 3: where you get past the very early tutorial level and
Speaker 3: it's just like get more bananas. That's the whole fucking goal. Bananas.
Speaker 4: Mary, did you get a switch to?
Speaker 1: I do have a switch to, but I haven't played
Speaker 1: this game yet, and I actually saw some like negative
Speaker 1: reviews which I'm confused by.
Speaker 4: Who's just doggy Kong wasn't hot enough, that's what they
Speaker 4: all say.
Speaker 1: I will not docks the people who dislikes this game,
Speaker 1: but I think I actually like got a negative original
Speaker 1: perception and you are completely changing my mind on it.
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm curious, what did you hear as the
Speaker 3: negative thing?
Speaker 1: I heard some people just say it's like crazy repetitive
Speaker 1: where it's essentially like you hit everything, you basically.
Speaker 4: Just put that everything. It's like Ladie's mansion.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's like a fair defense though,
Speaker 1: which is like some people like that. I also heard
Speaker 1: like maybe that it just doesn't evolve, like you don't
Speaker 1: actually ever, like it doesn't expand no.
Speaker 3: It does, it does, and it's not a one trick
Speaker 3: pony like obviously the main mechanic is just like beating
Speaker 3: through mountains and shit like that and destroying the environment.
Speaker 3: But like ten hours in or wherever I am, you know,
Speaker 3: you get a zebra power where it's like, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: in this creamery. I'm in this like ice cream factory,
Speaker 3: and it makes these ice bridges and if Donkey Kong
Speaker 3: tries to run across them, he just falls through. But
Speaker 3: if you can unlock the Zebra bonanza skill, you can
Speaker 3: turn into Zebra Kong and he could run really fast
Speaker 3: and fast enough to where he could run over water.
Speaker 3: He can run over you know, the ice cream bridge
Speaker 3: or whatever. So like, and there I can tell the
Speaker 3: there's a skill tree. Don' Kygong has a fucking skill tree.
Speaker 3: He never has that. And so you can choose which
Speaker 3: bonanza form you want to take for each And I
Speaker 3: have two out of what looks like four or five.
Speaker 3: And I think it's gonna be those things where it's
Speaker 3: situational where it's like, okay, you got to run fast,
Speaker 3: be a zebra. You need to be the shit out
Speaker 3: of some stuff. Be this bonanza gorilla thing. So I
Speaker 3: didn't get to play a ton because I was in
Speaker 3: Wisconsin this weekend, but like so I'm fairly early there's
Speaker 3: clearly going to be a lot of stuff that it's
Speaker 3: going to introduce. I've heard some frustrations about like later
Speaker 3: levels and things like that, so can't speak to the
Speaker 3: whole game, but everything I've played so far, I have
Speaker 3: not been bored for a nanosecond playing it. I've just
Speaker 3: been smiling and having a great fucking.
Speaker 4: Time I've been I played like an hour of it
Speaker 4: at like a Tenova, and I just stayed in the
Speaker 4: first area and they're like, you should move on the
Speaker 4: next areas, Like, I can't stop punching things. I'm stuck here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If this whole game was this one level, it'd be
Speaker 4: my favorite game. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would play it until I destroy every part
Speaker 3: of this level.
Speaker 4: And my OCDM he was like, I must get everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like on a switch to it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really fun to just play that, like play a
Speaker 1: couple like fun levels where you just smash stuff in
Speaker 1: between like work or flight or whatever has you. So
Speaker 1: it just seems like it probably lends itself really well
Speaker 1: to the person on the go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've heard like some complaints about like frame
Speaker 3: rate drops and stuff like that. Anyone who's complaining about
Speaker 3: that is just a dumb weird baby, because it is
Speaker 3: doing incredible shit with Like, like the Switch Too isn't
Speaker 3: the most powerful hardware in the world. The frame Like,
Speaker 3: I love a good frame rate. It doesn't. It drops
Speaker 3: very briefly sometimes when it goes into a cut scene
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 4: So who cares you, dumb.
Speaker 1: Weird baby being a dumb weird baby.
Speaker 4: You're not watching a movie. You're playing Donkey.
Speaker 3: Kong, yes, and you are doing incredibly leveling entire areas
Speaker 3: of this map and it performs very well. So I
Speaker 3: fucking love this game. I'll report back once I've beaten
Speaker 3: it and things like that. I can't imagine all suddenly
Speaker 3: not like this thing. I've loved every second of. But
Speaker 3: fucking this is the killer app of the Switch Too.
Speaker 3: I love Mario Kart World, but this is this is
Speaker 3: the one for this year.
Speaker 4: It's also setting up success for a better Mario game
Speaker 4: coming out at some point.
Speaker 3: Oh god, if they do like the Bowser's fury style, Like, oh, I.
Speaker 4: Think that's one thing I love about Nintendo is like
Speaker 4: every game they play, like every franchise game, the next
Speaker 4: one you're like, they added this thing. Oh that means
Speaker 4: this game is gonna be awesome. Oh they did this
Speaker 4: thing to this game. Oh this next game is gonna
Speaker 4: be fucking awesome. Yep, I need to get one.
Speaker 1: I get one.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 4: I know. I'm scared of my my wallet and my
Speaker 4: mental health if I I'm like, I gotta like do
Speaker 4: stuff and like go places. Oh you can bring your
Speaker 4: switch to I know I can't, and you don't tell
Speaker 4: me that three weeks. Can I get a switch to
Speaker 4: by then?
Speaker 3: You have to get it before then you have to
Speaker 3: get down before that.
Speaker 1: Let's do at least five without your switch to get
Speaker 1: on the international flight card.
Speaker 4: I'm playing a pull an all nighter on that flight too,
Speaker 4: So maybe I should get one. Are they easy to
Speaker 4: get now?
Speaker 3: Choo's Warriors sixty four if you follow them like you know,
Speaker 3: he'll post, I go best Buy's got them, targets got
Speaker 3: them or whatever? Like they're not that hard to get now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not like p S five when they came out.
Speaker 4: Get one for like three years?
Speaker 3: No, No, you could probably come down.
Speaker 4: Okay, do it before your fly. Okay, let's do the
Speaker 4: uh listen, London is going to be expensive, But I
Speaker 4: guess I'll just spend my London money on a switch
Speaker 4: to Yeah yeah, here you go perfect? Yeah Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Played a These are like quick ones. I plaid uh.
Speaker 1: Uma, the Pretty Dirty, I think Dan.
Speaker 2: I played horse Girl. I didn't play for very long.
Speaker 2: I actually quit.
Speaker 1: This is like my this was my kryptonite. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't work for me.
Speaker 4: Is it just a game?
Speaker 3: It seems it seems like a meme game or a
Speaker 3: like pervert game.
Speaker 2: People tand.
Speaker 1: I do think it has deep gaming built into it,
Speaker 1: and people don't play a lot of hours into it,
Speaker 1: and it's like a lot of the well, there's like
Speaker 1: deep gameplay of like actually growing these.
Speaker 4: Would you.
Speaker 2: Bronie?
Speaker 1: Those aren't those the people who are into my Little Pony?
Speaker 4: Are this? Like is this we Bronie? Is this anime?
Speaker 1: Wee Bronie's You're like growing their skill sets, you're training them,
Speaker 1: you're educating them, You're making sure that.
Speaker 4: There's training girls of horse race that I just didn't
Speaker 4: get past. I hate anime, strong position, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I like the occasional anime experience and I love the
Speaker 1: anime in general, but like, this game to.
Speaker 2: Me is just so obscure and it's really tough.
Speaker 1: And then after you like beat a race, they actually
Speaker 1: do like a little dance, like they actually do like
Speaker 1: a K pop style yes and no, And you get
Speaker 1: to choose their little outfit so I can be like,
Speaker 1: I want you to have like red hair and pigtails,
Speaker 1: and I want her to have like a short bob,
Speaker 1: and you're all going to wear the same cute little dress.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I don't know, like this
Speaker 1: isn't probably what I want out of my video game,
Speaker 1: and so I quit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'm like dressing up Donkey Kong.
Speaker 4: I also think it's oh, sorry.
Speaker 3: Like the dressing up stuff, Like, I guess I'm dressing
Speaker 3: up Donkey Kong, but his his pants have abilities. His
Speaker 3: swimming bridges helped me swim Donkey Kongs hot.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm more attracted Donkey Kong than a horse racing
Speaker 4: an all right, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna back out of this whole thing.
Speaker 1: You had me for a second being like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think these anime girls might be for like little weirdos,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's unfair, but like I can also.
Speaker 4: Understand the old man with a joe.
Speaker 1: Okay, fuck Donkey Kong, Lisa, that's weird.
Speaker 4: The girls are definitely high schoolers or junior high. Donkey
Speaker 4: Kong is a family man. He is a he's still
Speaker 4: a family man.
Speaker 3: He's very close.
Speaker 4: With his brothers. He's very close.
Speaker 3: Did he Kong and all that a nephew and I
Speaker 3: think crank, he's.
Speaker 4: He's a family Manna, he's so family he's close with
Speaker 4: his nephew.
Speaker 1: Both kervers.
Speaker 4: Donkey Kong is of age. Okay, this is not that
Speaker 4: is also a he did not have to give Donkey
Speaker 4: Kong a juicy ass if they didn't want me to
Speaker 4: thirst over it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can't just say that because he's caked up,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to bang. That's just not how it works.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would ask.
Speaker 1: Bringing up consent, your consent, queen, but that's not why
Speaker 1: I that's not the problem I do.
Speaker 3: We have confromation that Donkey Kong knows English? Could you
Speaker 3: could he answer consents?
Speaker 4: And I'm googling how old is Donkey Kong?
Speaker 3: Actually do they say, oh banana, Yeah, he's twenty four
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 5: Twenty fo say oh banana he has twenty four he's
Speaker 5: forty four, forty four that I'm younger than Donkey Kong.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, wait no I think this is Ai telling
Speaker 4: me the games are forty four years old.
Speaker 3: Oh you know they're right. One that might be close
Speaker 3: to right.
Speaker 4: He's twenty years old in human years, I'm saying forty.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing consent consensual.
Speaker 3: Donkey Kong is years for sure.
Speaker 4: The USO Moomey girls they're twelve, okay, And if they
Speaker 4: are like five hundred year old vampires, there's twelve year
Speaker 4: old girls. Okay. Wow. Everyone get mad at Lisa because
Speaker 4: she thinks Donkey Kong hot. Okay, I'm not I'm not mad.
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I think you guys both know too much
Speaker 1: about Donkey Kong. I think that there's just a lot
Speaker 1: of descriptors going on about his butt cheeks, and I
Speaker 1: just think we should take a chill pill for a
Speaker 1: second and really think about what we're doing here as
Speaker 1: a podcast.
Speaker 3: Donkey is an adult.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get in trouble from this podcast, Like
Speaker 4: we can't orry because you want to fuck Donkey Kong.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and.
Speaker 1: Then you won't be able to buy a switch to
Speaker 1: which means you won't be able to goon Donkey Kong.
Speaker 4: You've seen the meme of him with the butt where
Speaker 4: He's like, no, are just sitting on there. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, like we just have different vibes
Speaker 1: when it comes to big fat cheeks, Lisa, what.
Speaker 4: Big fat cheeks? And the games? Do you want to fuck?
Speaker 1: I like him flat as a board, Lisa, you gotta
Speaker 1: come back with something. Okay, Well, you're known for liking
Speaker 1: juicy butts. You have an emo on Twitch that's a
Speaker 1: snake with.
Speaker 4: A big fat but oh yeah, snake. What a dream
Speaker 4: like snake and like metal your soliding because of games?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Give me a man with acne scars and
Speaker 4: like an aftershave, like I that's that's that's what I want.
Speaker 3: You knows.
Speaker 4: Of course he does. Have you not come on meddle
Speaker 4: yourself for when he's doing the worm, that's all you see.
Speaker 4: All you see is snakes. Ask the entire game.
Speaker 3: I really don't think I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: noticing snakes.
Speaker 4: That's how we know you're a straight man.
Speaker 1: Okay, good congratulations, Dan, you've passed the test. You're straight
Speaker 1: as an arrow.
Speaker 4: You've seen David Hayter. He has cameo and he's like
Speaker 4: been doing the memes and he's like, oh, the clap
Speaker 4: of my ass, she's alerting guards.
Speaker 3: So is it just like old man Snake doing the
Speaker 3: crawl thing? Is that when he noticed the butt?
Speaker 4: I mean it's pretty I mean I played the game
Speaker 4: two years ago and it's like what you noticed most
Speaker 4: of the games. Like, I can't pick this game seriously
Speaker 4: because I just see his little lumps on the ground,
Speaker 4: just like just on the wrong while there's like war
Speaker 4: happening everywhere.
Speaker 5: You guys had such a different experience, didn't you notice,
Speaker 5: Like there was a huge thing at Fortnite when they
Speaker 5: put Snake in there that they like de asked him,
Speaker 5: they gave him like the flat yeah, and and like
Speaker 5: I mean look at his Look at that snake ass
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 4: Wow, they caked him up. Man, he's caked up and
Speaker 4: most of them.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should, Maybe I should play metal games.
Speaker 3: You should, Mary you, I would love to hear your
Speaker 3: thoughts on I just.
Speaker 1: Kind of want to review that fat cake.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: It is weird because like you're talking about middle of
Speaker 3: your solid for Lisa, and he's doing the krawl thing,
Speaker 3: but like he's like an old ass man in that.
Speaker 3: But he's like that whole game is just like ripped
Speaker 3: old dudes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should absolutely play metal your solid It is
Speaker 4: just ripped old dudes that are very vulnerable.
Speaker 1: I'm listening out of each other on top of a submarine.
Speaker 4: They all they all smell bad, but like in a
Speaker 4: sexy way, like that's the worst. They're explaining it.
Speaker 1: And I'm listening.
Speaker 3: You have not played Have you played a medal year?
Speaker 1: Not a one?
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's okay.
Speaker 4: I was late to the game. They're so good, Lisa.
Speaker 3: So your history here you were telling me before we
Speaker 3: recorded fairly recently you went through them.
Speaker 4: All, right, Yeah, in the last three years.
Speaker 3: Generally, big thumbs up.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they hold up. Even the you know
Speaker 4: PS one PS two graphics they still hold up because
Speaker 4: they're so silly and they're not you know, they're stealth games.
Speaker 4: So I'm not I don't usually play stealth games, so
Speaker 4: how to get used to that? But it was just like,
Speaker 4: you know, the stupid things where it's like give yourself
Speaker 4: a massage and you have to like shake the controller.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is this warrior shit that's going on?
Speaker 3: Hold the dual shock up to your arm too? Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to borrow someone's PS three so I
Speaker 4: could play uh three and four. But like I remember
Speaker 4: in like Meddle Year Solid two when you're fighting who
Speaker 4: is the guy where it's like he hacks your game.
Speaker 3: And thank you cycle man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where it's like you're trying to figure out to
Speaker 4: kill him and you have to like switch your controller
Speaker 4: to a report and I was like, because he hacks
Speaker 4: your game. It's there's so much silly things in there
Speaker 4: that are like breaking the fourth wall, that are like
Speaker 4: oh and and also like I don't care about the
Speaker 4: story as much. Everyone's like, oh the lore. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 3: About I'm a lower doer with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've had to watch so many videos and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is like dark Souls. I just don't understand it,
Speaker 4: but I still enjoy it. You would love them, and
Speaker 4: they're great reaction games. I think like I had the
Speaker 4: most viewership I had playing Metal Gear Solids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is Meddle Year. Fans love seeing people experience
Speaker 3: it for the first time. I did that with Through
Speaker 3: Scalen and Giant Bond back in the day. I did
Speaker 3: my sister played through them all like a year or
Speaker 3: two ago, and like it is just so fun because
Speaker 3: there's so much nonsense, but like the best kind of
Speaker 3: nonsense that happens, where it's like, yeah, I gotta see
Speaker 3: how my sister reacts to the end of Metal Year
Speaker 3: Solid two and that whole AI Kernel stuff and everything
Speaker 3: and the fight with the end. It's just you. You
Speaker 3: can't predict where it's going next from a gameplay a sense,
Speaker 3: from a story sense. The timeline of that game is insane.
Speaker 3: It's I think it is my favorite game to watch
Speaker 3: people experience for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they and I it makes me get fomo
Speaker 4: that I wasn't a like into them when they came
Speaker 4: out because of the the way they marketed the games too,
Speaker 4: Like that was a big part of like, like Melarsald two,
Speaker 4: they didn't say Snake was in the game he plays
Speaker 4: ride in and everyone was mad about that. But Snake
Speaker 4: is actually in the game. His name's Iroquois, which means
Speaker 4: snake and like some Native American language or.
Speaker 3: Something, Iroboy Pliskin, and Pliskin was Snake from Escape from
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was like, this is so dumb, Like
Speaker 4: he's just some guy but looks just like Snake and
Speaker 4: he's voiced by David Hayder. Yeah, and I love five.
Speaker 4: Five was just like best gameplay wise.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Five is weird because it's like I
Speaker 3: love the lore and so five is like definitely the
Speaker 3: best gameplay wise, but the weakest story wise. So it's
Speaker 3: like I kind of rate it the lowest of the
Speaker 3: Metal Years, even though I enjoyed playing it the most.
Speaker 4: If you play him, I will I will watch all
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 3: Oh well, we didn't.
Speaker 4: Pay attention to you.
Speaker 1: I will watch all that. Yeah, Dan playing through them
Speaker 1: with metal Gear Scanlon basically played them with Mike, my
Speaker 1: coworker Drew, and they're they're pretty funny. I've seen some
Speaker 1: of it, but i've been, I've been. I'ven't watched all
Speaker 1: of them because it's spoilers too if I ever want
Speaker 1: to play through it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you're not even remember the story anyways. I heard.
Speaker 1: It's maddening.
Speaker 3: It took me years to kind of like figure out
Speaker 3: what was happening in this story. But like you know,
Speaker 3: lista to what you said. Like, I was very much
Speaker 3: like I was a fourteen year old boy when the
Speaker 3: first one came out, the first Middle Year Solid, which
Speaker 3: I cannot imagine a better age to be for that.
Speaker 4: Now you're a fifteen year old boy.
Speaker 3: That's right emotionally yeah. But the second one with like
Speaker 3: all the previews and everything being all snake, you didn't
Speaker 3: know about the ride and stuff. I was working at
Speaker 3: a funkal Land which became game.
Speaker 4: Spot later and wow, what a throwback.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and I had not been spoiled at all,
Speaker 3: and like middle year, Solid two was the most excited
Speaker 3: I've ever been for a game. And my fucking manager,
Speaker 3: Kevin at funkal Land, we got the strategy guys in
Speaker 3: before we got the game in, and he was like
Speaker 3: looking through it and he was like, huh, I don't
Speaker 3: think you play a snake in this game. And I
Speaker 3: was like, what do you tell you? I'm not going
Speaker 3: to fall for this. What the fuck you talking about? Kevin?
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, you're some blonde guy. I've seen
Speaker 3: the trailers. I've been following this obsessively. It's metal gear
Speaker 3: Solid to your Snake and just showed me the strategy
Speaker 3: guide and every fucking screenshot was this blonde guy and
Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck is this? And so
Speaker 3: it was kind of spoiled for me. I still love
Speaker 3: that twist, but I definitely, you know, fuck Kevin forever.
Speaker 4: For that, But I uh, I mean that was the
Speaker 4: whole reason why I started playing Desk Tranding because I
Speaker 4: was like, after that, I was like, well, since Kojima
Speaker 4: left Konami, I got to see how desk Stranding is like,
Speaker 4: and it had a little bit of Metal Gear elements
Speaker 4: in it, like when you did like the fights against
Speaker 4: Clifford or whatever his name is, Matt, but it does
Speaker 4: the thing that's the thing that I did you play
Speaker 4: through desk Stranding. Oh yeah, yeah, it does a thing
Speaker 4: that I do not like with metal Gear, where it's
Speaker 4: like this whole cut scene could have been an email.
Speaker 4: Like the whole two hours of the game. I was
Speaker 4: crying out of hysteria because I'm like, can I go
Speaker 4: to fucking bed now? And it was just like, sorry, bitch,
Speaker 4: forty five more minutes for this whole scene that we
Speaker 4: explained seven hours earlier. But now you get to see
Speaker 4: it from a new perspective, and it's like.
Speaker 3: I don't defend that with desk Stranding one, Like I
Speaker 3: generally am just such a mark for Kajima that like,
Speaker 3: in the middle of your stuff to give me a
Speaker 3: two hour cut scene because it's like, I really care
Speaker 3: about every piece of information. Deathk Stranding is so just
Speaker 3: abstract data just out there where. It's like I don't
Speaker 3: love those long ass cut scenes as much. I will
Speaker 3: say Death Stranding two does a better job with that,
Speaker 3: Like the last few hours of two have some long
Speaker 3: ass cut scenes, but they are much better than the
Speaker 3: ones in one.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have a I don't know if you guys
Speaker 4: feel the same way about this as I do. My
Speaker 4: problem with games like desk Stranding and a lot of
Speaker 4: modern games when they use real actors as like mocap
Speaker 4: with their faces and everything. I can't get into the
Speaker 4: story or like the characters as much emotionally because I
Speaker 4: associate them with the actors. Like Snake is his own character,
Speaker 4: his own design, so it's like, Okay, this is Snake,
Speaker 4: this is a character how I want to be, And
Speaker 4: then I'm like, here's Norman Ritas, Like it feels like
Speaker 4: I'm watching a movie rather than sucking myself into the game.
Speaker 4: Getting sucked into the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree with that because like in
Speaker 3: Medal Year, I always loved, like, you know, the Kajimas
Speaker 3: always used that Yoji Shinkawa art and it's like always
Speaker 3: he's like unique characters for Metal game. Yeah, that are
Speaker 3: not based on the day. Okay, this is the guy's
Speaker 3: clearly kind of Kurt Russell issh or whatever, but like
Speaker 3: a snake is his own guy versus the Shinkawa art
Speaker 3: for dest Randing's like, well that's just Shinkawa drawing Norman Ritas,
Speaker 3: which looks really cool. But I see Norman riatas, you know,
Speaker 3: I see Troy Baker Laias to do like very cool,
Speaker 3: but I do prefer them, like I love des Stranding.
Speaker 3: I very much prefer medal yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do have a quot. It is Destranding to
Speaker 4: more Metal your solid five game player. Is it still
Speaker 4: very heavy in the stranding? Uh?
Speaker 3: The actual like connecting the roads and delivering stuff is
Speaker 3: still like death stranding. The going up to the enemy
Speaker 3: bases and combat stuff is way more phantom pain yea
Speaker 3: all the way. But it's like for someone who sucks
Speaker 3: itself like me, you can kind of just go in
Speaker 3: with like because all the guns for the most of
Speaker 3: the game are like trank guns.
Speaker 4: You can I just ran everyone over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do that. Like you don't have to
Speaker 3: worry about void outs or anything unless it's very specific
Speaker 3: circumstances later, but like it's way more fantom pain. So
Speaker 3: I think that's part of why I love two a
Speaker 3: lot more than I liked one.
Speaker 4: Okay that maybe I'll play it.
Speaker 3: It's very good Mary.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll convince Mary to let me play Peak with her.
Speaker 1: I will do Peak, and then I'll have to be
Speaker 1: convinced for everything else you guys just discussed.
Speaker 4: I really think you would love Metal Your Salt. I
Speaker 4: think it's a game everyone should play.
Speaker 3: At least one of the most important series, No Mario,
Speaker 3: but it's my favor.
Speaker 4: Pretty high up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're in Super Smash Brothers, you were in
Speaker 4: some sort of important game.
Speaker 3: I think the most important thing, though, is it was
Speaker 3: the first thing that like made game cinematic, you know, scenes,
Speaker 3: game had voice acting, voice acting things like that, but
Speaker 3: nothing was even remote first.
Speaker 4: Caked up protagonists exactly for sure.
Speaker 1: I respect that.
Speaker 4: Yeah a lot, they really did. They really did the
Speaker 4: cake good, you know, even the PS one cake. It
Speaker 4: was like Loura cross titties on his butt.
Speaker 1: Tony and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, little freaks. You guys want to read some emails, sure,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, all right, welcome back. I know that we
Speaker 2: talked about.
Speaker 1: Snake Pliskin's butt. Is that what his name is?
Speaker 2: For like a really long time, the.
Speaker 3: Snake Bliskin's the Currussle. Uh, this is just a solid.
Speaker 1: Which one it came first?
Speaker 2: Is this a chicken in the egg situation?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, johnk definitely based off of ker Russell.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's crazy. He just stole a character.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah it's Kojima.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Connery was big Boss and like the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's crazy. Cool. Well, uh, that was a
Speaker 1: long convo about butts, but I'm glad that we were
Speaker 1: all back. Don't forget y'all. We're going to go through
Speaker 1: some emails. We love when you send us emails because
Speaker 1: we get to hear a little bit about you and
Speaker 1: your lives, and uh, we can also answer some of
Speaker 1: your burning questions. Dan, do you want to read the
Speaker 1: first email from Nathan?
Speaker 3: Yes, if I escape. If you taught a class about
Speaker 3: video games and could only feature five games, which ones
Speaker 3: would they be? Would you focus on the history of
Speaker 3: games and choose the most important titles like Marius sixty four,
Speaker 3: Portal Tetris, or would you choose games that you love
Speaker 3: that are more modern like Blueprints, Breadth the Wild, and Blatro.
Speaker 3: Thanks y'all. That's from Nathan.
Speaker 1: It's a really good question, and it like probably requires
Speaker 1: a little bit more research.
Speaker 2: It also depends on like what it.
Speaker 1: Depends on the goal, right, because if this goal is
Speaker 1: like I could teach this class for years and never
Speaker 1: get bored, it.
Speaker 2: Would probably be.
Speaker 1: Games. What games do you think we could talk about
Speaker 1: forever and not get tired. Wouldn't it be a metal
Speaker 1: year for you because you can talk about it year
Speaker 1: after year after year, Like what's your goal as a professor?
Speaker 3: I think it's one that you can point to, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: after this game, things were different, and I do think
Speaker 3: middle year solid what I was saying before about like
Speaker 3: the cinematic storytelling stuff or whatever. But like I think
Speaker 3: Mario sixty four is one of those where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this was one of the first big swings at three
Speaker 3: D gaming, not just platforming. You know, it was like
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six. We had not really done this much
Speaker 3: before that, a user controlled camera, things like that, the
Speaker 3: idea of a hub world, and like it did a
Speaker 3: million different things that they didn't have a foreign games.
Speaker 3: So yeah, mar six four I think, you know, they
Speaker 3: mentioned Tenttris as well. I think we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about just like pure distilled gaming, You're not going to
Speaker 3: much better than Tetris. I do think if we're talking
Speaker 3: more modern, I would go Breath the Wild, because I
Speaker 3: do think that was twenty it was twenty seventeen. That
Speaker 3: was we're fucking what eight years ago now, and I
Speaker 3: still don't think anyone's come close to Breath the Wild's
Speaker 3: open world design outside of like Tears of the Kingdom.
Speaker 3: I think everyone's still trying to play catch up on that.
Speaker 3: I think Outer Wilds is one where the idea of
Speaker 3: just like information being the progress. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: sure there are there are, like there are adventure games
Speaker 3: and stuff like old Lucas Arts or Sierra stuff back
Speaker 3: in the day that kind of did a similar thing.
Speaker 3: But for me, Outer Wilds was the one that really
Speaker 3: clicked where it's like, oh my god, like you can
Speaker 3: beat this game in twenty minutes if you want to,
Speaker 3: but you have to have the knowledge so and then
Speaker 3: it just distilled video gamenists. I would say warrior Ware.
Speaker 3: I love Warriorwear so much, and that is just the
Speaker 3: purest just like go go go, go play a thing,
Speaker 3: play a thing, play a thing, play a thing that
Speaker 3: would be up there for me too.
Speaker 1: I think if I were to do this, we have
Speaker 1: to do something I'd be like really educated on and
Speaker 1: feel really strongly about. Like something I think I could
Speaker 1: like talk a lot about and would do a class
Speaker 1: about would be horror genre video games, and like how
Speaker 1: impactful they are to us is like a society, Like
Speaker 1: what makes a game so scary and so addictive to
Speaker 1: watch someone be scared or to be scared yourself? Right,
Speaker 1: Because like, as people, we've kind of evolved past the
Speaker 1: fact that we don't really have We don't have things
Speaker 1: to be afraid of in the traditional sense or in
Speaker 1: the animalistic sense. Right, We're not being hunted. We're at
Speaker 1: the top of the food chain. So the things that
Speaker 1: we want to do if we want to be scared,
Speaker 1: is like to be hunted, right, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: games capitalized on that, even old games. Amnesia is like
Speaker 1: one of the scariest games to this day I have
Speaker 1: ever played, and it does it so well because it
Speaker 1: recognizes what it's like to be unable to defend yourself.
Speaker 2: In that game, you can attack, so you just survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's so useless. All it can do
Speaker 1: is like defend your mental health, Like it actually can't
Speaker 1: do anything for like protecting you. Really it's just buying
Speaker 1: you time. So that I think obviously Silent Hill just
Speaker 1: as a collective of like psychosis and like what's happening
Speaker 1: inside of our brains, it does a lot with like
Speaker 1: also like just why also like trying not to like
Speaker 1: spoil a really old game here, but like also like
Speaker 1: what is a protagonist? Like can they also be bad?
Speaker 1: Can we can you play a bad person? I think
Speaker 1: that's really interesting, like how it plays on that. So
Speaker 1: Resident Evil obviously, which is also about being hunted in
Speaker 1: many senses, especially Resident Evil three because you're you're being
Speaker 1: chased most of the game. So a brilliant series, and
Speaker 1: I think I think you would even add modern games
Speaker 1: in there as well. Pasmophobia. Dead by Daylight is a
Speaker 1: brilliant cinematic experience that I think I could talk about
Speaker 1: a lot. PT Jesus like such a good storytelling experience.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying and really well done. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: feel like I could talk about that forever and have
Speaker 1: so much to say and so much to like learn,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that'd be great horror games in general.
Speaker 2: Is I think where I would go? Uh yeah, what
Speaker 2: about you, Lisa?
Speaker 4: Definitely anything Zelda, because I can just talk about Zelda
Speaker 4: forever because that's all the Zelda games. I talk about
Speaker 4: the lore of it and how it got me in
Speaker 4: the laura of video games. I mean, that's why I
Speaker 4: have a whole freaking Twilight Princess sleeve, which people hate on.
Speaker 4: I don't agree with it at all.
Speaker 3: The game the best three d dungeons in the whole series.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Okay, I wish more people agreed. I'd also probably, honestly,
Speaker 4: it would be more like, like I love Metro Vanus,
Speaker 4: so I talk about the Metro Vanias that I really
Speaker 4: love because I grew up obviously on Metroid, and then
Speaker 4: I moved on to Castlevania, and then it was Hollow
Speaker 4: Night and then all those dungeon crawlers as well obviously
Speaker 4: Soul's games. I also, I don't know. I think that's
Speaker 4: a really interesting question because it's like you can It's like,
Speaker 4: do you want me to talk about games specifically or
Speaker 4: history of games or talk about genre of games? Because
Speaker 4: I'm like, if we're just talking about video games. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna talk about my favorite ones because it's the ones
Speaker 4: I can talk about the most.
Speaker 1: You'd want to, because you'd want to spend your life
Speaker 1: talking about games that.
Speaker 4: Do you think Zelda is? I like, you thought Mario
Speaker 4: was the most important I guess video game franchise. I
Speaker 4: agree that Mario is probably the most recognizable character, and
Speaker 4: I think for platformers, yes, but I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I think Zelda is like when you look at like
Speaker 4: greatest video game of all time, or like games that
Speaker 4: have like shaped how games are made now, it's always
Speaker 4: like acrea.
Speaker 3: Time, you know what I mean, the first Zelda on
Speaker 3: an e s.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, or Link to the Past, which
Speaker 4: like set like the whole formula for future Zelda games,
Speaker 4: and it has all the aspects of like dungeon crawling
Speaker 4: RPG and all sorts of things, and so it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I would just talk about Zelda. But then also I
Speaker 4: obviously got really into the Soul's games in the last
Speaker 4: few years, and so it's like, well that is more
Speaker 4: recently biased, and that's obviously what I'm gonna focus on
Speaker 4: because like that taught me how to be like really
Speaker 4: good and strategize the video games, because Zelda's always been like, oh,
Speaker 4: you get this weapon in a dungeon, you just use
Speaker 4: that weapon for the boss, yeah, versus teaching you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it like teaches you. And then it's like I remember
Speaker 4: in high school, like the guys I used to hang
Speaker 4: out with used to call me like a fake gamer
Speaker 4: because I never got on Xbox and never played Halo,
Speaker 4: and so I was always like ashamed of like my
Speaker 4: games knowledge. Yeah, right, and then now they're all pieces
Speaker 4: of shits and now they're all dead to me, okay, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that being good. Now you fucking commire your
Speaker 1: ass and I'm playing Elden Ring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I played like seki Row and like
Speaker 4: Dark Souls, all of those. All the knowledge I got
Speaker 4: from gaming came from Zelda. So it's like if it
Speaker 4: wasn't for my playing Zelda from a childhood growing up,
Speaker 4: I would not have as much of like the knowledge
Speaker 4: I'd have to be like, oh there's something hidden behind
Speaker 4: this wall, or oh this boss is gonna have three phases,
Speaker 4: or you got to hit this thing. Like. It taught
Speaker 4: me so much about video games, so it's like I
Speaker 4: would teach a class on like these are the video
Speaker 4: games I think that you need to get into or
Speaker 4: that you need to have knowledge on to really understand
Speaker 4: how video games work. And even arcade games. I grew
Speaker 4: up on a lot of arcade games, and arcade games
Speaker 4: are very simple. Like did you ever watch the Tetris movie?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so good. Really yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: which is everyone's reaction. It's really good because it tells
Speaker 4: you how good of a tech of the game Tetris
Speaker 4: is and how hard it was to get the licensing
Speaker 4: for tech Tetris in the US. It was like a
Speaker 4: whole government thing with the Soviet Union. It was like
Speaker 4: a heist. And so just talking about video game history,
Speaker 4: like I gotten too Earthbound because of the history of
Speaker 4: earth Bound. I got into player Obscure because of reading
Speaker 4: about the studio and how they found the composer and
Speaker 4: how they became like this dream team. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: I think I just would not shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: You could do a whole thing about Zelda, for sure, Like, yeah, Zelda,
Speaker 3: for sure. The thing is like there's so many tent
Speaker 3: poles there where it's like the first Zelda and what
Speaker 3: that did and then linked to the past, how that
Speaker 3: established the format and Ocherna time, how it brought it
Speaker 3: to three Awakening too, Yeah, and Majora, how I went
Speaker 3: fucking way out of left field there uh and then
Speaker 3: breatha Wild. How it completely reinvented the way retort.
Speaker 4: How it started the timeline. Everyone associates me with Soul's
Speaker 4: games and Yaka is up, but I'm like, Zelda's like
Speaker 4: my I just have played all them, so I obviously
Speaker 4: I'm not streaming them. You know, I've pre streamed a
Speaker 4: few games, but like, obviously it's like that's just who
Speaker 4: I am as a gamer.
Speaker 1: They were It's foundational too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Blink Way Too was the band that got
Speaker 4: me into rock music and metal and punk and emo,
Speaker 4: but they're not any of those genres. They're just the
Speaker 4: first one that was Like this introduced me to a
Speaker 4: whole line of whole new part of myself that I
Speaker 4: didn't know I had.
Speaker 2: Are you saying that Zelda is the blank one eighty
Speaker 2: two of games?
Speaker 4: It is Zelda is the blank Way Too. I love
Speaker 4: that The only thing Link can say is diarrhea when
Speaker 4: you kill Gann and he goes, I'm a fuck your mom,
Speaker 4: And that's all Link says for the whole series.
Speaker 1: Such a grandpa. Anyway, Tom, let's play this song all
Speaker 1: the small Things.
Speaker 4: It's been so funny, how predictable and adolescent they still are.
Speaker 4: But they're all in their fifties. They're just stupid children forever,
Speaker 4: children their twenties.
Speaker 1: If they were at a park and there was one child,
Speaker 1: the child would bring their Spider Man toys to bank exactly.
Speaker 4: Call back. Yeah, Squeaky Kurds Squeaky the name of the episode.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nathan. I think that answers your question. I
Speaker 1: will read this next one, although I don't see a
Speaker 1: name in it. Can you double check Dan?
Speaker 4: The name?
Speaker 3: Yes? One? Unless it never had one, it probably did.
Speaker 3: Let me just search. I'm gonna read it really Sultan
Speaker 3: Sultan Abbassi.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna read it fast now, Hi, peoples, How
Speaker 1: does Dan feel about child Pauline and DK Bonanza after
Speaker 1: proclaiming has distained for children characters in video games?
Speaker 2: Love y'all take care.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a general disdain for children and
Speaker 3: I but I think with games it is mostly I
Speaker 3: don't want to have to play as one, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's the thing with like JRPG's and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be some teenager or something like that.
Speaker 3: I think in DK Bananza has not bothered me. It is.
Speaker 3: I am playing as Donkey Kong. As far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Pauline is basically a navvy or a fee or something
Speaker 3: like that, like one of these like Zelda companions that
Speaker 3: will occasionally have an ability or say something or whatever like.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm Donkey Kong. I'm playing is Donkey Kong. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I hope Pauline does well, but I don't really care.
Speaker 3: So ye have no no problem, no problem with it.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're afraid to be put on a
Speaker 1: list because you're a sweet boy and you would never
Speaker 1: do that, and so you're just always like, listen, if
Speaker 1: there's a child involved, I don't want to talk to them,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around them. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to like be associated with them.
Speaker 2: Those kids can't.
Speaker 4: Even show me your Spider Man collection.
Speaker 3: No, I don't give it, Timmy. I'm an adult. I
Speaker 3: want to play as adults. I find kids annoying. I
Speaker 3: don't want them around my games. I don't want them
Speaker 3: in my games. But if it's just she's sitting on
Speaker 3: Donkey Kong's shoulder and occasionally she'll sing to break a
Speaker 3: purple door.
Speaker 4: If that's fine, I'm here to traumatize the kids. Yeah,
Speaker 4: put the kids in their place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, you gotta grow up sometime.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love children. I don't think I want to raise any.
Speaker 1: But I just absolutely love being an aunt and like
Speaker 1: showing them all the games that I loved and like
Speaker 1: watching them like go through them and teaching them all
Speaker 1: my best tips and tricks about games.
Speaker 2: So we have different vibes going on.
Speaker 3: I like being an uncle, but all like my niece
Speaker 3: and my nephews are all like very young and so
Speaker 3: like I'm looking forward to them being old enough for
Speaker 3: me to traumatize them.
Speaker 4: I will say I have a I never post them
Speaker 4: because they're my nieces, but I have videos on my
Speaker 4: phone on my niece playing elden Ring, and she plays
Speaker 4: it like a cozy game. She's seven years old. She'll
Speaker 4: ride around the horses and grab like flowers, and in
Speaker 4: the minute there's an enemy, she'll just throw it at
Speaker 4: my my sister, her brother in law. She loves it.
Speaker 4: She's obsessed with elden Ring.
Speaker 3: What if a dragon comes down? And like she's just done.
Speaker 4: And then she's like, get it, dad, get it, get hurry.
Speaker 4: I want to play like and she'll he'll like, sitting
Speaker 4: there in the plane, she'll be like, you gotta get
Speaker 4: a key for this room, dad. Yeah, I get heat.
Speaker 4: And it's very precious.
Speaker 1: That's adorable.
Speaker 2: It's a really hellish world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she picks flowers and she's just on her
Speaker 4: little horse.
Speaker 1: Give her animal crossing.
Speaker 3: It's getting off she.
Speaker 4: But then my sister's like, you know what, fuck you, Lisa.
Speaker 4: Now my kids play elden Ring. They won't play their
Speaker 4: switches anymore. They shall play. You've given her the wrong
Speaker 4: universe to be endearing and sweet and it's very precious.
Speaker 1: You sounds that's a good kids story at least at
Speaker 1: least they're open to it. Well, thank you for the emails.
Speaker 1: I know that was a bit shorter, but we went
Speaker 1: so hard on gaming content that we wrapped up all
Speaker 1: of our time in games. Sorry, you know, sorry that
Speaker 1: we talked about games for so long. As always, we
Speaker 1: absolutely love for you guys to help and support us.
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Speaker 1: you can just watch Lisa's cats. There were two of
Speaker 1: I bet you don't even know what they look like.
Speaker 1: They were really cute.
Speaker 3: She held them. They were really cute. A couple of times.
Speaker 3: You hold them up, and that's a really chill cat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, faranoy.
Speaker 1: Sounds like they're little babies, and you get to see
Speaker 1: them in the video version. So I hope that you
Speaker 1: consider it. If not, I hope you enjoyed listening, and
Speaker 1: with that, I would really love to plug Lisa. I
Speaker 1: know you are an incredible comedian. You're very funny. I
Speaker 1: just have loved seeing you at so many different conventions
Speaker 1: and cons. You're busy, You're a hustler. Please tell people
Speaker 1: where they can listen and find more of you on
Speaker 1: the internet.
Speaker 4: Yes, I set my tour and travel for shows, so
Speaker 4: checking out my instagram, my link tree, TikTok, Twitter, whatever,
Speaker 4: you'll find my shows. But also I stream on Twitch
Speaker 4: and I have a podcast called dork Souls. It's pretty new.
Speaker 4: We're about ten episodes in. It's bi weekly with my
Speaker 4: friend Hector Navarro. He is a big comic book nerd.
Speaker 4: I'm a big gaming anime nerd. So we just talked
Speaker 4: about nerd stuff and would we'll probably have Dan and
Speaker 4: on there at some point. So you can check that
Speaker 4: out on everything on YouTube and all the things. I'm
Speaker 4: on everything. I'm too online. I love that for you.
Speaker 1: I think you for us in this space, and I
Speaker 1: don't really care. You know, we're not here to judge
Speaker 1: how healthy anyone's lifestyle is.
Speaker 4: Look at Dan, I want to fuck. I just made
Speaker 4: a fucking Donkey Kong in my dreams. So it's okay, Dan, what's.
Speaker 1: In your dreams?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: A lot of plane crashes?
Speaker 1: What anime?
Speaker 4: Horse girls?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna answer it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm always
Speaker 3: on a plane and there's always a crash.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Dan, what are you doing outside of
Speaker 2: this podcast? That's so stressful?
Speaker 3: It's the honest answer. I do a giant bomb dot
Speaker 3: com check it out. We are one Independent Now. I
Speaker 3: think we're doing some great stuff. I've been playing Pin
Speaker 3: My Ride for the PS two over there, I'm about
Speaker 3: to finish up, and Jeff Grubb is about to start
Speaker 3: playing a game for Blake Club that I think everyone's
Speaker 3: gonna enjoy quite a bit. So check out giant bomb.
Speaker 1: Dot com amazing. I also stream on Twitch. Usually every Monday,
Speaker 1: I stream an indie game or whatever I've got down
Speaker 1: the pipe, all good stuff. Yeah, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 3: I will do it for you, Dan, I do it
Speaker 3: for you, do it for you Mary.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it for the Dan that believes in me,
Speaker 1: which is an anime reference that you won't get.
Speaker 4: La.
Speaker 1: Thanks He's sweet, sweet angel, and that's how you pass
Speaker 1: the best styll test.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening and enjoying this experience with us.
Speaker 1: Maybe Oh we're so happy to have you, Lisa. Thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing your nerd culture with us. Everybody, go
Speaker 1: check out dork Souls and we'll see you on the
Speaker 1: next episode of the fire Escape Cast. As it said
Speaker 1: in its entirety, I'm marry the best host in the
Speaker 1: entire world.
Speaker 2: See you on the next one night by que