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Speaker 1: I think people have been surprised to know that there

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are lots of modern day reports of upright hairy preachers

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in our woodlands. It lent out with the greenering like this.

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You couldn't see it in full far the top of

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it lean out and it was very you like a

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man and an eight that had been pushed together. And

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he looked and he said, there was this creature song

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in their death and I couldn't describe it. Said it

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wasn't a job because it's standing up on two legs,

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but it definitely had some kind of protuberancy here. But

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look at our a falcon breath. From the nineteen seventies,

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people of serving soldiers have reported what they eid have

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called the hard stand monstuff, the upright standing wolf on

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that base, and each witness says that that creature ran

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off to the north woods, so it took the same root.

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Speaker 2: Each time, you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network,

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and now it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show on the Paranormal

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UK Radio Network. I'm Neil Ward and I'm joined once

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again by Andy Chaplin and Ben Emlyn Jones. Welcome guys,

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and how are you both?

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Speaker 4: Neil, you go first, Andy, I've pretty similar to you

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go first, mate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just been back from the UFO Academy in High

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Elms in Watford and Ben was there and had a

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great time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fantastic. Yeah, I mean it was. It's

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a beautiful it's great conference in the most beautiful location.

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It's lovely on manor House and there's a beautiful lawn

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and there's trees all around it, and there's a terrace.

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And we said we were up to one am talking.

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Well I was half asleep, but the rest of you

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guys were talking. It was and we to the hose

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and to the other speakers and it was just it

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was such good fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Who was the top speaker for you? Well, for me,

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I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's possibly Matt Hurley, you know, I disagreed

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with a lot of what he said.

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Speaker 5: Fact is quite factory and evidential, which I quite liked that.

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Speaker 4: David Griffin is good to see David Griffin. It was

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great to see him again because he's such a recluse.

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He's very difficult to get a hold of, and he

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already he hardly ever that makes public appearances these days.

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So it's really really great to see him. It really

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really was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he get his email.

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Speaker 4: I've got his email.

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Speaker 5: Oh cool, Yeah, we could, we could have him, have

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him on again, Neil. Have we had him before David Griffin, No.

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Speaker 6: We haven't.

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Speaker 3: I've been wanting to get good get David Briffin sometime.

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He'd know all about the Black Goo and everything like that.

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So he's like one of the pioneering researchers into that area.

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he was going to be there, I definitely that's why

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I said, grab his email and kidnap him or with something.

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Speaker 4: Well I did. I did have a chance to mention this,

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but I mean he I'm sorry, Neil, I didn't have

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a chance. But you know, he's he's he's got a

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really interesting idea. Has just written a book or think

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I think this book coming soon. He's connected this whole

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thing to the Falkland Islands and Black Go and the

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Marconi company went there where there was a but in

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just a space for just eight years, there were like

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twenty three deaths and yeah they were very suspicious. One

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was an extremely bizarre and very gruesome suicide, and there

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were many many others that were really weird and and

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it doesn't make sense. I think he's uncovered something really

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really strange going on. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: Well because my dad worked for Marconi around the time

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these deaths were occurring. I remember being a bit concerned,

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you know, I think he's.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's not good.

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Speaker 3: Had no idea it's connected at that time to anything

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to do with something called black goo or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: So I can ask somebody on our local awaken Away

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group in Hertfordshire because he used to work for Marconi

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as well. He doesn't anymore, but he's an older generation guy,

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so he might have some information on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he might have signed the Official

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Secrets Act, but it was worth asking. You never know,

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you know, he might do it anonymously or something, you know,

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cover himself in black goo then come on the screen, right, okay,

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So from black go to other strange things that look

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in the woods, and this time it's strange things that

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look in the woods. In the UK we've heard of

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things like Bigfoot and sasquatch and Yowie's all around the world.

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Australia Canada, United States. But this time people might be

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surprised to learn that there have been reports of Bigfoot

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or sasquatch or yeow is.

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Speaker 6: Whatever you want to call them, but they're actually in

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the UK. And joining us from the north of England

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is Deborah. Hatswell, Deborah, thanks very much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks for asking me to come on. I think

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the creature you're describing is what history in the UK

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we would call the woodwalls, so a tall, hairy, eighth

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man cave man ty like thing that's been seen without history.

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are lots of modern daily thoughts, all bright, hairy creatures

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Speaker 6: And how did you become involved in all this?

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Speaker 1: Well, people ask me if I had an interesting critis

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or anything like that, and I didn't. I was only

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fifty as a fifteen year old girl, so it would

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have been nineteen eighty two. I loved you. Salford, which

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nothing rural about it, absolutely nothing, And I should have

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been going into school. If you think on back again,

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the mop a few months before, and then normally by

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that time in school you're not really doing lessons and

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the teacher's just rolling the TV in for another film.

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I just decided I wasn't going in. I was a fit, willful,

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and I just thought, I'm not going in. I'm just

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going to stand in the rest of the afternoon in

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the park. And that was kind of what I did.

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nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever, completely completely normal, and

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was something that kind of it went out with the

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greenering like this. It wasn't you couldn't see it in

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full farm. The top of it went out, and it

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was very he like a man and an hate that

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had been pushed together in some way. I only looked

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you know, gaze at him lovingly, and no mobile phones. Honestly,

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looking and I was running and I was running in

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the opposite direction, and I look back to felt preservations

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to see if he was coming after him, and each

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other went back into the green room. He was completely gone.

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of some farm, completely hair covered, very thick muscle. I

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distinctly remember thick muscle here and here and here where

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he pronounced brow ridge, normal tea, not like can ninety

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probably a homeless man or a man in a suit,

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and he wasn't any of those things. I don't know

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what he was, but he wasn't anything that could be

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Speaker 5: What color was the fur that you saw?

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Speaker 1: He had very very dark brown hair, so I only

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saw him from his chest, and I didn't see legs

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around or any of that. I seeing it from here,

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and it was really really dark brown. But where some

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party it was almost red or raburn. It was really strange.

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not like like a gorilla where you can't see anything

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through the hair. It was distinct skin, and luckily for me,

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two years later, another lady saw a creature in the

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same place and she described the thing that she thought

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it stood out under a light, and she said it

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had a pot belly, it had male Jenny talios. It

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was completely naked, hairy from head to toe, and she

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described it as looking like a chimp and a man,

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almost combined. Now there's nothing in that area that would

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account that is Honestly, back then, I was really hoping

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someone was say, oh, there was a circus or you know,

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there was a showing town or something of state from

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Bellevue or something that would have made it much easier

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for me because I just put it to bed and

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gone on with my little life. But I never was

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able to do that, so I just thought I didn't

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want to do so just started looking for other people.

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I mean fifteen, I had no clue. Went to the

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library because there was no internet back in nineteen eighty

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two or anything. So I went to the library and

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I asked them and they just gave me a stick

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of the dump and I knew then it was on me,

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doing it all these years later, though. I thought I'd

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fin anstar put it to bed and away I'd got

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human resources or something like that, would have just carried

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on with my career. It didn't pan out like that

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for me. I remember going home and my mom said,

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when I came in through the doors to that and

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man had got me, She said, I was absolutely hysterical,

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and she darted. Man in the park had got me.

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what to see. And I had to go back the

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next day because it was right next to me school,

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and I was absolutely starified. I thought he was around

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every corner and every portion. He was. I've seen him,

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so he's going to want to get met to stop

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me from telling people what I've seen. And that stayed

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with me. It took me twenty five years ago. I

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went back in twenty fifty.

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Speaker 5: Are there any reports of UFO activity in that area.

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Speaker 1: Yes, lots of paranormal like lots of UFO activity. That

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there is a mansion there, andy an old mansion. I

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think it's Grecian. But before that, there's always been a

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building on the site from the fifteenth century. John d

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was involved, and it is said that he conjured a

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number of day And how did he say he conjured

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a number of demons from that property? Well, I don't

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think he was with ed, would Telly at the time.

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to Manchester. So I started looking back and I realized

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it was a plague field. So they buried the dead

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there of the plane. A wooden house had gone on

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it in sixteen some day and that burnt down, and

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then the present mansion, I think well then was built

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on it. So yeah, lots of there was. I spoke

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to somebody, just shyer and and she said to me,

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what year was it? Said nineteen eighty two? Said I

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looked at Mike Brown, looked a mile away in the

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streets as we called it to like Coronation Street, lots

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of terraces. And she said she was there one day.

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a were wolf. It was far more frightening than that.

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I don't know what it was. It was all black

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in color, and he rans off of the stairs at

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her and my grandmother, who was a traveler lady in

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Roman and like my family says, we don't buddy, child,

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it can't hurt you can't do anything to you. And

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now all these years and I wonder if it's all

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connected in some way, you know, I don't know. I'm

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still looking for answers.

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Speaker 5: I suppose m And just for those who don't know,

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which is where in Fleming got the James Bond double

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I've got his Wikipedia. Actually an English mathematician, astronomer, teacher, astrologer,

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and here we go, a cultist, an alchemist.

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each different. One was limestone, one was granite, one I

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and I know Ed would tell you to cry with Obsivian.

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somebody's garden or something like that, or in the museum.

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And I wondered it it was. I know that the

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line of Albany delay line and right through it, right

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through the center of the house, and I wondered if

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it was to do with that. Is it a place

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where anonyma happens because of that particular area, If it's

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something about that particular area that either puts it out

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or a traxic like a magnet, I don't know. I

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don't know, but did the reports just kept coming and

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maybe just spread out across the UK and then that

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went worldwide and it just became my job really in

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a way, I think it was my way of coping

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through up lots of sightings.

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Speaker 1: People? Since you think that there aren't any sciences free

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about nineteen barty and that's wrong, There are, there are,

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and there are UK we I do believe since since

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about twenty fourteen in the UK bigfoot has become a word,

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the British big foot has become away, so anything in

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it's upright covered in hair will fall under that under

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Ellena doesn't work for me. It's an American name, so

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they're not sasquatch, you know, they're not anything like that. Future.

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of them has a history of like a wood wolves

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or a wild man, you know, like the Alaskans they

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have the hairy man. In Russia they have the Almors,

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and You're they call the less Shane. In the UK

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they will call the wolves wood wolves, and I see

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if it just means a man of the wood in

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Old English, it isn't anything, you know, and they were

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threw with it like so, they are mentioned in Pliny's Diaryge.

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up to Scotland and they call them the sastrus, which

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with these feral humans that would steal fish from the

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nets and run off with the masons from the villagers.

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So is there in our history and it's it's modern

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times where we have the ability now to start communicative globally.

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And then the sighting reports that you're thinking, well, al com,

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I'm reporting the same thing that the Native Americans were reporting.

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Our low gear to go. We're trying to put all

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of that information into one place and make it music

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to understand is really hard. That's the hardest battle.

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Speaker 4: Ion.

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Speaker 1: Each individual witness has their own name, for the thing

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that they do.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to I was just going to say quickly, Sasquatch,

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I think is a Native American name, so in terms

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of British we shouldn't be calling it Sasquatch. Did you

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say wolfman?

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Speaker 1: They call it the woods wolves, but most people and

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to call it the UK wild man UK. Well, yeah,

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so a lot of people say it was a wild man.

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He was completely naked and he was running from one

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set of trees to the other, which was all covered

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in hair. And when you look at the descriptions from

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the witnesses, that's why I started to collate them because

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I wanted to see if there was a pattern within them,

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patterns of how my brain worked. And I realized there

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was a pattern within them. Some people report me big

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eight foot tall ape like creatures. They'll use the word gorilla, ape, baboon, bear, wolf,

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anything that's really really big. And then we have something

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that seems to be about five and a half to

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about six and a half feet tall, very cave man like,

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even stead to be wearing loin cloths. That seems to

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do the same thing. In all of the cases. The

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creature sees the human being and heads in the opposite direction.

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So you've got that split second, and then you've got

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try and get as much information out of that witness

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as you can from them, seeing.

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Speaker 4: As far on the actual nature of these appress and

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what they are. There's no doubt in my mind that

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in North America and in parts of Asia, and in

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many it may be Australia and other places, there is

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literally a cryptid. There's literally a species of animal which

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an upright simi and ape type of creature, which is

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living very elusive, avoiding human contact. And in those parts

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of the world there's a huge amount of open space

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and wilderness where they could live without any contact with

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the humans. Now in Britain it's a different matter. I mean,

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I'm not one hundred percent she was completely impossible, but

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we have a much more densely populated landscape. There's like

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I think there's eighteen hundred people to square mile or

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something in the United States, it's like eight it's like

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four hundred or something square more on average. So I

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could hear something whispering. Did I hear that you were

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a too neil? Yeah? Very really? What's that.

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Speaker 6: Indiscernible? But I could hear something.

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Speaker 4: It looks like a woman's voice whispering there.

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Speaker 6: I mean, my phone just went off.

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Speaker 3: I put it into airport modes because I don't get

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into Shortly I heard this whispering, and I.

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Speaker 5: Thought, well, maybe it's the recording.

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Speaker 6: Was on the record you may you may or may

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not be on the recording then anyway.

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Speaker 1: You mean, then it's not enobitat in the UK, and

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there aren't enough, not a it's complete left impossible. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: What I would suspect is the reason I asked about

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the UFO thing earlier is that I'm because I I

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listened to a lot of the American Sasquatch and Native

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American reports of you know, if you want to call

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it that, and a lot of people are reporting at

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the same time that they're seeing Bigfoot or very much

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in the same area and the same time period they're

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also reporting UFOs, Grays, Aliens and that kind of thing.

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I think Ben's right. I think in terms of would

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there be some kind of tribe that's never been discovered

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within the UK, I would say highly unlikely, not impossible,

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but highly unlikely due to the fact that we're quite

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a small island. I'm veering much more towards the fact

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that whatever these beings are, they might be within the

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band of ghost spirits, eaties, inter dimensionals, alien within that frequency.

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Speaker 1: When I started out and I was working for an

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egg as Christian Panzic are an undiscovered crimeate you know

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and benj Raight, all of us in the world, there

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is there is the space for that, and then just

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give it crimeate. There isn't space for that. In the UK,

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I was working a job with the Discovery Channel about

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three months ago. Then they filmed They were filming a

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program pileed naked in a bread and they were filming

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it in Austalia and during the filming she found huge nest.

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Now when I say huge, it's probably eight nine feet off.

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It's just all of the debris that's been dragged off

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the floor. Now there's no eggs in it. Birds make

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a bit of a mess. When he making there was nothing,

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it was absolutely clear. And the producer said, they are

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what they do is and the camera don't know. They

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always have a team reguards so no animal can get

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in and get you know, while they're filming and stuff

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like that. And one of the rangers came instead, not

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stop filming, you can't talk about it. And he was like, what,

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oh wow, that's a primate mess. It's been made by

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your primates.

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Speaker 5: Where were they filming this? Where were they filming this?

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Speaker 1: I can go and look it up himself. It was

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the latest series of Naked and Afraid for anybody who

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watches the program.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, the raby says, you can't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Don't talk about it. You study that science system.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the word he used as primates now was human

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beings are primates in the UK? Was it a surprise

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you to know that less than twenty percent of the

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UK is urban? That sounded me at the time. Less

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than twenty percent of the UK is urban and we

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haven't discussed subterraneal now. I'm like you, guys, I in

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the beginning was convinced it was flesh and blood and

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flesh and blood only there was no dimensional. I don't

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feel like that. I've been in the game too long

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and I've spoken to too many witnesses. For some people,

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the experience that they have is very flesh and blood,

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but for others it's a creature that vanishes in front

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of them, almost like it's been such from the atmosphere

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I've heard that quite a few times.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many theories, and I think i'd be honestly,

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I'd be a fool to dismiss any of them until

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I literally sit down with one and they tell me

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what they are. I'd be a filled and not to

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look at all of the theories.

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Speaker 6: See, I've been through a similar journey in deb I mean,

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I did wonderful.

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Speaker 4: I did really entertain the idea there was a real

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cryptoid in Great Britain, as as impossible as it might be.

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And it was you who convinced me. I remember, But

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I mean I haven't. On reflection, I've I've also started

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to doubt that. I mean, I think Nick Hayes and

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his encounter where where where he had his encounter in

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Live Valley. It is literally there's no green corridor out

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of Live Valley. There's the golf course, but you've go

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for across the golf course, and there's like Marston and this,

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and then there's Headington and there's the carry Road. It's

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literally there's no green corridor out of there. But his

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experience was extremely persuasive, not least because I know the

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man and I took him to the area and he

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reacted emotionally to being present even though we were there,

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went there in daylight. And also there's other and Andy's

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mentioned the the fact that some's some bigfoot like creatures

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even though they're obviously not bigfoot. There obviously were formed

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phenomena as Jonathan Downs caused them have been seen in

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associated with other paranormal phenomena, and for example the pres

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Squy Isle sighting where the presc sighting of nineteen sixty

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five where some people in the car saw a UFO

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land in the distance behind the trees and a bigfoot

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came out and attacked their car. And I believe it

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or not, there's evidence in terms of the claw marks

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on the on the chassis and the paint being scratched

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and things like that. A very scary event. So maybe

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even something that could be things could be solid, and

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they may have a fur and maybe flesh and blood.

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This doesn't mean they're necessarily physical, permanently physical. They can

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become etheric etheric and physical objects can actually interchange, which

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is which is very astrange. But it does happen with

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things such as I mean people say ghosts you just

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walk for ghosts of like etheric and you just walk

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through them. There's people who's shaking the hands of ghosts

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and they feel naughty.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's weird, I know, and that's what

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fascinates me about it. I got boxed off in the

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early day that what I saw was a big foot

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and nothing more. I can't sound that word now because

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if people think that's the only thing that I did.

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If it was purely flesh and blood, I wouldn't have

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branched out into the other subjects. If I was dealing

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with just an eight and nothing more than an egg. Well,

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they kept it on a biological, scientific level. I like you.

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Then you sit down with people and you look Charmain Fraser,

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for instance, Yeah, red A Blad unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Her experience is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: It's really nice and she talks about that experience to

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the fact that it shaped her life and she actually

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worked in the mental health bil. It changed my life,

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It changed Nick Kay's life. There are a core group

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of witnesses who've done everything they can to find out

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what they saw that gag. There's a lady called Karen

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Bart and she lives up on in the northeast of England.

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She lives and Stanley Constant kind of area, so kind

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of Durhamish. She was six years old, she was playing

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out in an area called sam Fieldy with a number

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of girls. She looked up a tree and she's said,

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up there it was this wild man. She's never used

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the word before, never used the word eight grill said

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he was a wild man and she's been trying to

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paint him for forty four years so that she can

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show people what she starw that day. She said he

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had a tool in his hand, like a bone too,

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and he just looked for her. He didn't do anything

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to me, and he just looked and she ran off

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then and the other girls with her didn't see him.

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So that was meant for her in some way, or

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did she connect to some bid and that was why

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she was able to see it. But all these years later,

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it is still very predominant in her mind because it changes,

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00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960
just like a UFO induction. You can't walk away from it.

476
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,079
You know, you need you need answers.

477
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 5: So I've found where some of Naked and a Faith

478
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,039
has been filmed, So a lot of it is the

479
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:35,960
United States. So got Louisiana Bayou, Florida, Everglades, Seminole County, Alabama,

480
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:39,519
also Panama and Nicoagua, as well.

481
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: As the new season that's just been filmed. I think

482
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,000
it's the best of the best or something like that.

483
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,240
I find it for you, I'll send it. I'll send

484
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,079
it over and show it to you. It's really interesting

485
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,000
because they've left it in the program. Yeah, they've watched

486
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,599
it in the program. And the time where I didn't

487
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:57,640
just pull back late off the dailies, I don't know.

488
00:25:57,759 --> 00:25:59,799
I didn't, but I don't own it. They own it, Johnna.

489
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,519
But yeah, I was thinking, Debbie, go back and find

490
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,599
it and share it because if they cut it.

491
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of people believe that and they I

492
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,359
did two back in the day that there was a

493
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,799
lot of structures in the woodlands that were being made

494
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,119
by a bigfoot and we've been able to get rid

495
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
of maybe nineteen nine percent of them.

496
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: So I realized, I said, do a reeling debth course

497
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,720
on what was early man building on this island fourteen

498
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,920
thousand years ago and most human beings before we ever built.

499
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,079
We made it to breathe, pile up tile hay sixty

500
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,119
breaks warm. You get in it like a composty and

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,440
it's father than night and then you move on to

502
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,240
the next area. On what they were showing in off

503
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,160
Reily was exactly that. It was an old debrace. I

504
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,759
even went back and looked what were idled against doing,

505
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,519
because we can prove that they were here in the

506
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,759
UK and they were kind of in between, so they

507
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:58,319
were building like brush shelters, and then obviously the advanced

508
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,160
a bit, so you know that if you start to

509
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,480
put six in the shelters strongest, you'd stay there for

510
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,519
a couple of days with food for and you'd move

511
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:10,359
on to the next one. I actually balanced that between

512
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,640
how do you get one footprint in the middle of

513
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,519
a snowy field.

514
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:19,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems impossible, like.

515
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: A structure that completely disappears overnight. But here's a chapping

516
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:27,359
with him where I live, no interesting cryptis or anything

517
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,680
like that. Started having real strange things happening through him

518
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,160
in the woods, and he got in such rude as

519
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,480
things were happening at home. Something was literally banging on

520
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,200
the wall that the house when he wasn't starting off

521
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,680
for CCTV. So he said that one sounds when he

522
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:45,480
was in the woodland the like more like a teepee shape.

523
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,759
Would you appear and disappear overnight. I said to him,

524
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,160
let's test the energy around it. Let's you know, let's

525
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,559
have a test. Let's see what it does. And he

526
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,440
broke his phone. So he tried to replicate it a

527
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:59,279
number of times and each time he took it back

528
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,160
to the phone shot it's said, it's been hit. I

529
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:05,519
am magnetic child, but this is just wooden stick.

530
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: The Day's the best day Life listener Nomal UK Radio Network.

531
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,599
Speaker 8: Join Andrew o'leil every month on the Paranor peep Show,

532
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,960
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533
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:27,079
frolics and lots of information about weird stuff, UFOs, ghosts

534
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,960
and things that go bump in the night and everything

535
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,119
associated with them. Fascinating guests, fascinating talk, fascinating information.

536
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: Welcome to Part two of the Paranormal peep Show on

537
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,720
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, and we're talking to Debra

538
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,680
Hatswell about strange signings around the UK that could be

539
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,799
attributed to something called bigfoot or big hairy men or

540
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:49,200
big beasts and things like that.

541
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 6: Deborah, one of the things that was curious to me

542
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:53,920
was has there been a kind of.

543
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,319
Speaker 3: Investigation into the people that do these signs or I

544
00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:00,079
have these experiences, Are they any way deemed to be

545
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160
psychic or clear voidt in anyway? I'm just wondering what

546
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,640
they're having or what indeed yourself had had, maybe of

547
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,039
a clear voyant kind of experience rather than a physical

548
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:10,559
big foot pading through the fields.

549
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so, most definitely. Like I said,

550
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,759
when it started for me, I'd had experiences as a

551
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,880
child that you would CLASSI paranorl and I never put

552
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,839
that together for the incident that happened when he was fifteen.

553
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,799
It was just working with other witnesses. I started to

554
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,480
notice the patterns. I have a condition called the earl

555
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,640
and syndrome, So if I read a book, I see

556
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,680
the rivers between the lions before I see the letters.

557
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,119
So my brain catches onto patterns. And I realized that

558
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,039
people who were having very flesh and blood type experienced

559
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,200
this were very logical and scientific, and they wanted the

560
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,880
proof and the video. And people who were almost having

561
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,640
what I would call like visitations from Sasquatch or whatever name,

562
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,359
tended to be very naturrey, you know, pagan whipan into

563
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,759
the old religion going back in time looking at England

564
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,279
as the whole. We get more reports now that are

565
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,480
more I don't matter what word I would give. It

566
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:24,160
kind of sits between this ape and this sentient being.

567
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,640
Kind of like hybrid, yeah, kind of a hybrid of

568
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,599
the two. Then mentioned it before, what if it's something

569
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:32,759
that can change it's it's a physical shape.

570
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: It's interesting that for you what you said about the

571
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,839
types of people who see different phenomena. For so, for example,

572
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:40,799
in that case, I expect you'd expect someone like Richard

573
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,119
de Hall or Timothy Good to see an alien, whereas

574
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,039
Maria Wheatley it would be the kind of person we'd

575
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:52,079
like to see a wood woes and and are.

576
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,359
Speaker 1: We dealing with an entity or a being that will

577
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,279
show itself in a physical stance depending on it's the gender.

578
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:05,880
So for some people, the strangeness. Some people will have

579
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
an experience when they're in the twenties to thirty of

580
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,400
the farty, but when they were a child, they would

581
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,880
dream about a wolf in the bedroom, or they would

582
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,839
see a wolf within the bedroom. It was always something

583
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,400
scary in the bedroom. And I started to realize that

584
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,079
a lot of the people were just having expses with

585
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,400
these cryptic creatures. So I started to ask about anything

586
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,839
happened when you were younger, they ever had strange experiences,

587
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:33,880
and it starts to open up and tell me about

588
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,720
paranormal experience it or experiences of the UFO or any

589
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,839
other's farm of you know, strange when explaining activity that's

590
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,359
out there, and it tends to find it. The more

591
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,240
open people are, the more accepted they are, the easier

592
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,359
and nicer the event is. So for me, I had

593
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,200
no knowledge, so I start a monster that was coming

594
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,240
to get met. But somebody else maybe who've had and

595
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,720
understanding our history, got you know, going back to generations, so.

596
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,039
Speaker 5: He did it.

597
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: For instance, I spoke to two witnesses and it's the

598
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,680
same situation. And you know Neil Robston, we all know

599
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,960
the Bottom Lake area, and.

600
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,839
Speaker 4: That's an interesting combination of the two, isn't it. That's

601
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,400
very interesting.

602
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,119
Speaker 1: Well, there was a couple out enjoying the evening. We

603
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,079
shall stay within the woodlands and as they were enjoying

604
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,279
the evening, the lady star something big and hair that

605
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,440
was watching them. She screamed and panicked. So you called

606
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,400
these pants up and set off after it. Now on

607
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,799
the other side of the UK. You've got a lady

608
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,359
who's very she's our collar on Earth mudbus. She's very

609
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,519
into a spiritual miss and she was also enjoying the

610
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,880
woodland with her partner and was spied upon. And her

611
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,839
attitude was, oh, this is just the wild man looking

612
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,599
at lovers room in the wood. So there's all that

613
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,480
kind of thing comes into it. If you've got a

614
00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:00,680
knowledge of what you've seen, it's really news. But for me,

615
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,319
it wasn't because people, it was an alien. It was this.

616
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,279
It was that I suppose you guys could help me

617
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,200
with something. I'm working a case at the moment and

618
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,640
I'm trying to trace something from the unexplained magazine theories.

619
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Do you remember that.

620
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,079
Speaker 4: Wanted to read that interest from age?

621
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 1: So I had a chap get in touch with me

622
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,640
only about six weeks ago and he lives in my

623
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400
local area and Wigan Way and he was moving up

624
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,400
to Scotland and he said, before I go deav, I'd

625
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,960
love it if you could meet me at the area

626
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:29,799
and I'll tell you the experience I had when I

627
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:30,599
was a ten year old.

628
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:30,799
Speaker 4: Bye.

629
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,359
Speaker 1: So he'd later in life had quite a few UFO

630
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,000
experiences but when he was a ten year old kid,

631
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,119
a lot of us in this part of his mining

632
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,079
land here, so all of these estates then and then

633
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,799
it just would grow up. So you get to the

634
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,440
next and a new town or new thing. So the

635
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,400
green belts in between me and him. It's ten year old.

636
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,200
It's ten o'clock at night. And his friend said, a

637
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,119
day to run too farmfield and run back so you

638
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,599
can go the furthest. And he said, as I set off,

639
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,359
I saw the red light. Now we mentioned before him

640
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,680
out lights and aufs and energy being connected for these beings.

641
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,000
And he thought at first it was somebody really tall,

642
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:12,719
smoking a cigarette and a dance, and he said, and

643
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,440
as he thought that, something said to him, look to

644
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,159
your left, up to your left, and he looked, and

645
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,039
he said there was his creature. So in their deb

646
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,039
and I couldn't describe it. He said it wasn't a

647
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,039
job because it was standing up on two legs. But

648
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:29,239
he definitely had some kind of protuberance there. And he

649
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,079
said he didn't frighten him, but it being there was

650
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,320
frightening enough. So obviously he's run back and he's kind

651
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,239
of held that together. When we went out to the site,

652
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,559
and I said to me, showing where the creature was

653
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,400
standing there and I said, show me where you lived

654
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,039
as a child, and he went that house there and

655
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,360
I thought, oh my god, if the bedroom for here,

656
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,440
anything else ever happened at the house. Oh yeah, it's

657
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,119
funny you should say that we've had bar lightning go

658
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,079
through the house twice. Ow boy didn't leave a mark

659
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,559
butt the house on the end gable completely lost it

660
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,079
at gable and they had to rebuild it. Now I'm thinking,

661
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,000
how can ball lightly go right through your house not

662
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,599
affect your curtains or anything? And if it else, second, well,

663
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,000
there was another time when we were there and that

664
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,440
you know, the back door just flew open and the

665
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,480
Marsis lock was on and the job started growling at

666
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,360
the door before it was open. So we started out.

667
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,159
We just managed to have this one experience that's had

668
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,519
and you realize he's had a series of experiences from

669
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,760
being born right the way through. He's probably in my age.

670
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,440
He's nearly six, you know, and still having them.

671
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 5: How old was the house? Roughly, I would say it was.

672
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,199
Speaker 1: A new but I would say it had gone in

673
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,400
after the war. So I was looking at like like

674
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,000
a counsel ass day. Yeah, I knew, you know, like

675
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,559
when you what would they call them around here? And

676
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,360
I think they call them like new towns. So it

677
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,639
would have been built through the war. Once the miningland

678
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,280
is okay to build on, they would have put it on.

679
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
And it's a nature reserved and it's what's the sishing

680
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,880
down there, and it's a lovely area, but there are

681
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,199
so many people down there that are scene this dog

682
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:08,679
like snouted creature that you know, we don't know what

683
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,039
names to give it. It's not he said a couple

684
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,360
of weeks later. The only thing he can put it

685
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,159
through is a couple of weeks later, his brother used

686
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:21,519
to collect the Unexplained Maggid and there was an article

687
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,719
in it describing four types of alien. One was your

688
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,440
typical gray, one was your gnawgic, one was your robotic,

689
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
and the other one was animalistic. And he said, that's

690
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,320
the closest thing you'd ever seen that represents what he

691
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,239
staw that day. It wasn't a big giant, he said.

692
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,079
It wasn't much taller than him. And he was a

693
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,000
ten year old by and I said, did it like

694
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,079
growl at you or anything? He went, no, it just

695
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,159
looked as shock to see me as I did to

696
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,840
see it, and that's exactly how it felt for me.

697
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:57,239
And I was on old mining land. And I'm wondering

698
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,760
if the disturbance over the years, you know, I always

699
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,880
kind of brought something to I mean, he's completely normal,

700
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,440
you know, it's not the chat you divide in a pub.

701
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,800
But he's had these extraordinary experiences and quite a lot

702
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,639
of them have been UFO based.

703
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,119
Speaker 5: And did you say that people are seeing these entities

704
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,880
and you suspect they're seeing it according to their own

705
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,079
belief systems or what they're expecting to see.

706
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: Is that the way I couldn't make it easy to understand.

707
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,360
If you walk out in the street now and you

708
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,000
see a creature, yeah, your brain will go is it

709
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:32,679
a wolf? Is it a lion? Is it a bear?

710
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,239
You'll flip through your roller deecks and of all the

711
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,199
things that it could possibly be. And I'd never heard

712
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:42,039
of big Foot. Maybe if i'd have heard of i'd

713
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,480
I heard you like the Abominable Snowman. But that was

714
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,760
you know, all the way in the layers. Nothing like

715
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,119
that in England. So yeah, I think people are very

716
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,840
good at putting words on things. It was this, It

717
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,599
was that, it was definitely this, depending on their research

718
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,119
and where they sit with him. I always asked the person,

719
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,960
what would you say? Well, that's what I always say.

720
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,639
For the witness, what would you call it? What would

721
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,239
you say? It was an invariable? These are with an

722
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:17,800
animal word and the word man. Don Yeah, yeah, always man.

723
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 5: It makes me think of and I'm going to look

724
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,920
this up of the hairy hands. Has anyone heard of the.

725
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,119
Speaker 1: I've got reports around there and death and if day

726
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,679
Mary are where the hairy hands have been steed. There

727
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,760
are a number of reports, and all those reports had

728
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,840
taken place over a dirty year period and they're always

729
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,320
in January February bed.

730
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, here we are. Hairy Hands of Dartmoor a folklore

731
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,719
tale about a pair of disembodied hairy hands that are

732
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,679
said to attack drivers on a stretch of road between

733
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,320
post Bridge and Two Bridges in Devon, England. It grabbed

734
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,199
the steering wheels and causes accidents and potentially fatal It

735
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,639
is the myth has been passed down through generations.

736
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:04,119
Speaker 3: Wow.

737
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: And then you've got people in that area who reporting

738
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:11,840
had a waltz like preaching yeah or big foot like creature.

739
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,719
So the bod lady there is an area called Woody Bay.

740
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,079
It's right on the top. It's an old hotel that's

741
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,039
not used anymore. And I think it was during COVID.

742
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,199
It was not of COVID. Of the year after, she

743
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,280
went for a watch and she was really annoyed at us.

744
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:28,960
About ten o'clock at night, middle of nowhere, you're out

745
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,239
on the list in Devin. She comes to the gate.

746
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Dog refuses to follow her, and she said, as she's

747
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,679
walking down this lane, there's no lighting her out like that.

748
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,320
She hears this, She said it I felt I could

749
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,000
walked into something. The atmosphere completely changed, and I could

750
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,360
hear this clicking noise coming from up on the embankments

751
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,519
and something was answering it from down below. And she

752
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,000
said it felt like I walked into a hunting batter.

753
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,199
So by the time I spoke, well most of the

754
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,719
time by people found me, they've gone beyond proof. They

755
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,679
want an anstage. She kept saying, will it come to

756
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,480
the our then no, it was I think it just

757
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,639
walked into something and it was Looking at those reports

758
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,239
made me realize that whatever was going on was happening

759
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,679
around the new moons of jump there. So maybe it's

760
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,880
something connected towards human beings on this island, you know,

761
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,679
that's connected to ur that we still feel sometime we

762
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,719
still tune into it. No difference to see in a

763
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,239
ufo or a ghost in may I, to be honest,

764
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:29,960
wouldn't makes sense.

765
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: In Britain is it is said to be the most

766
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,119
paranormal place in the world. People call it the hard

767
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,679
shack of the world. There's some energy center here for

768
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,679
those who are conspiratory a minded. This is the headquarters

769
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,119
of the world government, the Illuminati, things like that.

770
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 6: If there are any kind of data that kind of

771
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:49,199
connects these.

772
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,519
Speaker 3: Sightings with rivers, I mean I was thinking Dark Moor,

773
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,960
dart or River and if so, would the river be

774
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,679
something to do with the paranormal or would it simply

775
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:03,280
be because town and villages are established.

776
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: He had all the same the arts, and he also

777
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,039
took meself to college and learned about our theology and

778
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,320
the early bricks and you know, their foraging roots and

779
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,639
things like that. If we're looking for a flesh and

780
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,039
blood creature moving to Betweeted, So let's say the Pennines

781
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,280
are central England and it's moving out to the coast,

782
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,199
it might have been directed. You're trifling your food stass

783
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,519
because you've got all your woodland food, your head, your

784
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,639
own food. And as you get towards that salt water,

785
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,800
every mammal on the earth has to have salt. The

786
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,079
salt itself could be the jar here. You also can

787
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:39,840
eat every single seaweed in the UK. It's all edible,

788
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,039
So you're trifling your food staces. But like you said,

789
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,960
is it because around estuaries and rivers we get more people,

790
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:50,800
some more people see them, so like on the River Medway,

791
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,000
for instance, the last place in the world that we

792
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,920
should be getting the island grain poland ken no way

793
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,400
to be a creature there. But they're being reported, you know,

794
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,039
and the neighbors are reporting them and talking to each

795
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,000
other about it, and it's just to them, it's normal.

796
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,800
It's a normal thing. And I couldn't understand that. It's

797
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,280
a look that was as a map I thought a

798
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,360
long time ago on this big piece of paper on

799
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,079
the one I used to stick it in in because

800
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,199
I wanted to know what can I get from there

801
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:20,679
to there?

802
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 5: It sounds very X files.

803
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,199
Speaker 4: I like it.

804
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: It's you know, Andy is still there. I think I've

805
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,599
had a million views look at it because people use it.

806
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:33,360
They think where can I go this weekend? I want

807
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,360
to go somewhere where there's many UFO report so they'll

808
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,960
jump on me map and go, you know, like a Oxfordshire.

809
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,039
So since I spoke to in the conversation with a

810
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:46,239
lady for Wantach and she's near the old r AA

811
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,400
based there, which interests me because a lot of these

812
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,360
reports take place around old Ministry of Defense.

813
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,679
Speaker 4: One that's interesting.

814
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,639
Speaker 5: I usually I don't really support the BBC because it's

815
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:03,840
very old from our left Marxist nonsense. But in one

816
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,599
particular case, I have actually come across Uncanny, which actually

817
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,320
quite like, actually quite like. That's a good series and

818
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,280
uncann of USA. So they've got a US version, a

819
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,239
series four case for the Hairy Man. I just wondered

820
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,119
if you've seen it and what your reaction is on that.

821
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: I actually did some research for the program. Yeah, yeah,

822
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,000
I do. People will hit me up because they know

823
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:30,639
I've got reports and they say, all right, you have

824
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,840
the looking at during a program in the UK. You know,

825
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,039
can you put us a few cases together that's worth

826
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,639
us coming over to look at? No I put them

827
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:43,239
in touch with a guy in Lincolnshire. He saw something

828
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,599
scarbig the area is and he actually drew it. I

829
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,760
love it when they draw it because I say, can

830
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
is any chance could draw what you saw? Or fire

831
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,079
with something online that looks like it. So I know

832
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,480
that they're doing a UK Wound episode. I'm not sure

833
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,000
when it's out though, yeah. Yeah, and the paranormalcart and

834
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:06,039
camera they're just about to do one. I've just done

835
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,360
the interview for that, so they'll they'll get me on

836
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,559
as an expert, or they'll get me on just to

837
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,760
to research. What else have you got in that areage?

838
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,719
You know, can you trace it back to the history.

839
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,519
It's a really enjoyable part of my job by absolutely,

840
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,840
but you know, so it gives me access to like

841
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,639
newspaper article that I wouldn't normally be able to stay,

842
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,960
you know, and it's fantastic to see people in the

843
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,239
UK finally come you fart and go well, actually I

844
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,079
saw it as well.

845
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 9: You know.

846
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:33,639
Speaker 4: It's literally about the military connection because like when I

847
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:37,199
was in Stairways the Stars, I met a chair American guy.

848
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:41,840
He talked about some encountering like a big foot like

849
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,039
creature near a military I remember because the name of

850
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,400
the military ration was Leminster. Now there's a place called

851
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,840
the arif Leminster here in the UK, and it's obviously

852
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,719
the American was named after the British town, as many

853
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,559
American towns are. There was as far as Oxfordshire goes,

854
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,559
there is a very famous site and actually just wh

855
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,719
which I actually visited the location off I made a

856
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,800
video about it in Bagley Woods, which is just to

857
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,719
the south of Oxford. We can actually walk to it

858
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,320
from where I am. Matthew Arnold in eighteen seventy seven

859
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:15,679
saw a big hairy creature there. Now's Matthew Arnold was

860
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:21,280
a famous like poet or writer who's from Yeah, and

861
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,239
it's and I remember he recorded he's walking to He's

862
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,840
walking to Boars Hill from Oxford and through the foot

863
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,599
it's now a proper road, but in those days he

864
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,679
was just a footpath. And he describes exactly what you saw,

865
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,400
the very same sort of thing as you saw deb

866
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,480
and many other people have seen as long as.

867
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: You look, sorry but look a falconbre the the nineteen seventies,

868
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,440
people of serving soldiers have reported what they Eida Carl

869
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:51,440
had done. Monster the upright standing wolf on that base,

870
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,519
and each witness theres that that creature ran off to

871
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,079
the northwards, so it's took the same route each time.

872
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,599
One of them saw it while they run security duet

873
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,639
and he said it bounded the wild. He's definitely ara

874
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,280
and it screamed in his face. Another soldier said that

875
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,199
he saw it in the munitions and he said, I

876
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,360
was surrounded by weapons and it wouldn't have entered me

877
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,039
to shoot it. He was still shocked at seeing it.

878
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,480
Denny's Prebeth. He was parted and he spent months factor

879
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,320
driving around trying to find it.

880
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: You know.

881
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: But now, yeah, now because of the MAC, I can say, right,

882
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,320
well there was a bear report there a mile and

883
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,239
a half away, we've got a standing wolf's report here.

884
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,199
What are they experiencing and is it connected to the base.

885
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,280
Are the military in the UK you enveloping these creatures

886
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,760
in any way shape off of trying to keep them

887
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,119
hidden in some way.

888
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: There's an episode of Shell or Holmes about that was

889
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,800
quite interesting, and then they knew the modern version with

890
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:59,480
Benedict Cumberbatch. But Jelly, you're right, it's always wolf man

891
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,440
that you say it's something man. So it's wolf man,

892
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,239
ape man, mothman, owl lan, et cetera. And of course

893
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,039
the I don't know about it being developed by the

894
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,199
military as some kind of breeding, some kind of like

895
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:14,400
special creature, because they have they do have dogs which

896
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,880
are very fierce and like they use them on the battlefields,

897
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,320
you know, and to smell out the enemy as well.

898
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,800
They can they can smell where their hideouts are and

899
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,360
things like that, you know, and if one of the

900
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:25,800
if a prisoner of war escapes, they can track them down,

901
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,719
things like that. But as far as breeding special creatures,

902
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,639
and I don't know, and especially because these creatures have

903
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:34,199
been seen in areas like I mean, you mentioned the

904
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,280
wolf man. I mean, all you know about the Benton phenomena,

905
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,360
Paul Sinclair and what he's just the fact that Old Stinker,

906
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,400
this were wolf has been seen, which it's like a werewolf,

907
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,159
like a like anthroa, a big humanoid half wolf half man,

908
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:49,119
been seen near a hull several times for over one

909
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,239
hundred and fifty years. But it's it just turned up

910
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,920
again a couple of years ago. I remember, Old Sticker

911
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:55,400
is cool because it smells.

912
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Terrible if you don't know the area and you're our

913
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,039
current witnesses in the area. That's what you'll find. You'll

914
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,360
find the old sinker and the Beast of Baston Drain

915
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,440
and the Flickston werewolf. But if you look for about

916
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,239
salts Leak Marsh go up past thempton on each of

917
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,400
the areas where we have the raf basis. This is

918
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,320
where the report's come in in this wolf like creature.

919
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,440
Some people say they can see it, in the next

920
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,039
second they can't see it. And then you tie in

921
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,559
the two strange mystery men who went miss it. You

922
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,599
got Bowling Rustle Bowling. He went missing and had a

923
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,320
pen drive asking that base had been closed and concreted over.

924
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,039
He had a pen driver photographs from inside the bank.

925
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,840
Never been found, never been found. Another guy called Simon,

926
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,079
his car was found in the same car park at Bempton.

927
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,440
He's never been found. You get these hair you's de

928
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,440
find strangest party flerals himself. We get these areas panic chase,

929
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:56,199
lots of places in the UK where lots of activity

930
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,960
and it takes place. And then you start to look

931
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,960
at like Kai Green in Saffordshire. You've got the pigment

932
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,679
and then you've got you know, you've got like all

933
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,039
of the conversations of the old wat amegury that and

934
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,280
the things that people see that it's a never ending subject.

935
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,519
You get weeks out of it.

936
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 5: Have you heard of the Hairy Man of cint Trinians,

937
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,559
which I thought was just this is the Naughty Girls? Yeah,

938
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,760
I thought it was. Yeah, I thought it was just

939
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,280
about the naughty girls. But apparently this is the Isle

940
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
of Man cint Trillions is an actual place.

941
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,199
Speaker 6: Been there, haven't you been?

942
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:31,599
Speaker 9: Oh?

943
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:33,599
Speaker 4: Yes, I went there for the first time in twenty

944
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:35,400
twenty three. Never been there before. It wasn't it was.

945
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,599
Speaker 6: Really never heard of that story.

946
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:42,039
Speaker 5: That's they call it the Finu Dairy, the Finis Dairy.

947
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 6: About the black dog, it's known as murray Do.

948
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,039
Speaker 4: As far as someone's a black shuck in you see

949
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,440
in Norfolk, there's been somethings of this single black shuck,

950
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,199
which is yeah, one eyed dog, the same thing has

951
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:57,000
been seeing the isleman called murray Do. Yeah, it's very mean.

952
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 5: This is very different. So this is the Finnodori and

953
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,840
it's described as a hairy human like entity thought to

954
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,159
possess great strength. Weirdly, on this particular page which I'm

955
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:11,800
going to drop in into chats so you guys can

956
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,679
have a look at it. It's also the article is

957
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,079
also linking it to the mowing Devil, which is near me.

958
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,840
So the mowing devil is the first ever alleged illustration

959
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,239
of a crop circle. It's actually more of an oval

960
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:28,880
and this was in Walkan in Hertfordshire, so that's a

961
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,920
stonefow away from me. And they didn't kind of put

962
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,400
it down to anything like Ufo Israelians because they didn't

963
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,760
have that vernacular in medieval times, because this is kind

964
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,679
of like fifteen hundreds, but the illustration shows what they

965
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,039
perceived to be a mowing devil carving an oval shape

966
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,119
what we might call a crop circle in a field.

967
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,519
And on the same page they're also kind of saying,

968
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,800
is this fedori from the centrinions of.

969
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:00,639
Speaker 4: The men?

970
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 5: Are they kind of linked in some way which would

971
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,239
kind of like indicate perhaps this is this is a

972
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,039
phenomena that's all over the UK.

973
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:16,119
Speaker 1: I agree that doesn't have a strange report in it,

974
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,599
not a county in the UK. But unless she's colleting

975
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:20,840
them and put mar into one place, there's the hundreds

976
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,920
of witnesses out there, never spoke to each of them,

977
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,039
and I would imagine people out there who never shared

978
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,880
their story. Yeah, you know, it's been pet but in

979
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,599
the family where people are coming for with more. But

980
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,199
it is the big ask in the UK. I mean,

981
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:36,760
you know, it's a big ask to come out in

982
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,559
the UK and say that you've seen something that's seven

983
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:42,079
pile and looked like an I know. There was a

984
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,320
recent report.

985
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,679
Speaker 3: That I saw on truth Bruce of this guy that

986
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,159
used to live in high Wickhambe, which Ben and I

987
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,719
know and Andy knows as high wickm because I used

988
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,800
to run my paranormal meetup group there and this guy

989
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,639
in the seventies used to live there now is in

990
00:51:56,679 --> 00:52:00,320
New Zealand, but he had an encountered what he cansidered

991
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:10,199
to be the green Man in her room.

992
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,639
Speaker 4: Because it's very old thing. Pubs called the green Man,

993
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:09,440
don't you And it's like.

994
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was too Yeah I do.

995
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 5: I do a lot of events, psychic events at green

996
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,880
Men pubs, human half plant.

997
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: What I saw, though, Ben I saw, is that's the

998
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,679
lead I saw this and not how the green Man's predicted.

999
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,400
There's a case in bart very similar to the mine

1000
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,119
in Yorkshire the same time period nineteen eight the young

1001
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,519
girl fifteen wagging it from two was a friend and

1002
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,280
they were playing on an old abandoned sewage works of

1003
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Alboos and she said that they noticed a man that

1004
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,199
was laid down in the grass and he was using

1005
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,000
the leads to her in his face. And she said

1006
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,079
the second I saw him, a friend died what I

1007
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,639
did and run in the opposite direction. She said, I

1008
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:57,960
didn't feel any bit. I went to what towards it,

1009
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,519
and it shook its head at man to say no,

1010
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,519
don't come near me. And she described it is using

1011
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:08,800
the twigs and leads almost to disguise itself, like a

1012
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,679
natural camo kind of thing. You know, Can you imagine?

1013
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:18,920
You know? Because now we've all got analytical adult brains,

1014
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,880
we can go to as a listen and we can

1015
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,440
try and work out what we've seen. Cower but a

1016
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,960
young victim as I see it, and someone under the

1017
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,360
age of sixteen. I don't think you're taking seriously anyway

1018
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,719
because you're a teenager or you're you're a young kid,

1019
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:37,079
but I I do. I listened to him because I

1020
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,800
shouted from the rooftops. I just wanted to be able

1021
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,840
to protrude people that I wasn't lying. I wasn't telling

1022
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,599
a lie. That's what I started that day, and that's

1023
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,239
the effect that it had on this. I think I

1024
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,800
didn't take my children. Can I agree? What my parents

1025
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,800
were traveling with the mortgage, so we would never We

1026
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,360
were always out in the woods somewhere. My dad had fishing,

1027
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,039
you know, without wash riding, whatever it was we would

1028
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,480
do with And I stopped that at fifteen. That stuck

1029
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:05,840
for me. I just refused to do it. I didn't

1030
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,320
do it again until.

1031
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: Right I think we're drawing to a close here, folks,

1032
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,719
So thank you Debra for taking part in our brief interview.

1033
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,119
Thanks Ben and Andy for joining us once again. And Deborah,

1034
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,199
as as we're drawing our close, where can people find

1035
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:26,440
out more about you and the stuff you're researching?

1036
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: I made it really easy for folk. It's just deborherhaps Well.

1037
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,360
So you bought debrahaps Well YouTube, will cop up debrahaps Well, faith,

1038
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,239
I'll pop up. I thought it was the easiest way

1039
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,480
to the people to find And if you want me

1040
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,480
to come back on and tell you about me your

1041
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,000
husband's UFO experience.

1042
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: Back on, I guess definitely we definitely would have you

1043
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,639
back on later on.

1044
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 6: Either in this year or next year. That'd be fantastic.

1045
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 4: Spaking to us. Would we come speak? Yeah, that'd be

1046
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,079
interesting to hear.

1047
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, all right, lovely. Thank you very very much,

1048
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,719
indeeded Deborah for joining us and sharing us some of

1049
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,159
your stories. I know you've got plenty of more, and

1050
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,400
if anyone's interested or wants to share some stories with us,

1051
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,440
please do contact us at the Paranormal peep Show. And

1052
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:13,039
so thank you once again to everybody for joining us.

1053
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:16,360
That's Ben and Andy and Debra and myself Neil Ward

1054
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,880
signing off on this edition of the Paranormal Peep Show

1055
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,760
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, and we'll see you

1056
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,280
next month.

1057
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 9: Good night.

1058
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,519
Speaker 1: We talked to me, all of them that made