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<v Speaker 1>Back to Brady on the wing, guarded there by Clay

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<v Speaker 1>Brady close one.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, gets it to go with the fowl how Baucher Brady.

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<v Speaker 1>Spin and Utah gets the win. Here today Finals four,

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<v Speaker 1>Utah ninety nine in Arizona State seventy three.

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<v Speaker 3>Really cool moments over the weekend, as the son of

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<v Speaker 3>Craig Smith was able to get a and one opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>Brady's a good free throw shooter, so bummer that he

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<v Speaker 3>was unable to convert that free throw. But the voice

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<v Speaker 3>of the Utes, who was on the call as our

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<v Speaker 3>guest on a Monday afternoon, Bill Riley, sir, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you Spence. I'm doing well. How's your monday?

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<v Speaker 2>Good man? That was kind of a fun little moment, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I would imagine there were probably a few eyes in

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd that weren't necessarily dry after watching that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. I mean, anytime those guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the bomb squad, the backup guys get in. You know

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<v Speaker 1>you want those guys just chuck it. Man, you've been

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<v Speaker 1>you'll on the floor very much. Put that ball. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you would have never hesitated, but put that

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<v Speaker 1>ball up. And when Brady got the opportunity, there you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it was really really cool. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was happy for him to get that bucket. Would have

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<v Speaker 1>been cool for him to hit the free throw to

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<v Speaker 1>get him to one hundred, but still a nice moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I bet Craig actually cracked on when he got

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<v Speaker 3>homes that kid, you got to make the free throw.

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<v Speaker 3>But last time we spoke, Bill, you were in Orlando,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, waiting for the team to fly in and

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<v Speaker 3>it's been one week since the news broke that Craig

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<v Speaker 3>had been let go. So now that you've had a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to spend some time around the team, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you think they're doing, How do you think they're holding up,

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<v Speaker 3>and how do you think the news is landed with them?

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<v Speaker 1>I think surprisingly well, Spence. I mean again, changes are

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<v Speaker 1>never easy, but mid you know, in season changes are

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<v Speaker 1>especially tough. But they didn't get off the great start

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<v Speaker 1>against Arizona, but they competed, played Arizona almost to a

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<v Speaker 1>dead dead even in the second half, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>came out Saturday and it was it was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was I don't know, maybe because there was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of time between the change in leadership and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else, but they just seemed to play loose, and

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<v Speaker 1>they looked like they were having fun. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>winning is always much more fun than losing and beating

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<v Speaker 1>up on Arizona State because you know they were not

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<v Speaker 1>very good. Saturday is fun too, But there was just

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<v Speaker 1>a looseness of bunch about the group on Saturday and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of high fighting and smiles and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think they're dealing with it as well

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<v Speaker 1>or better than you could probably expect.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've drawn this parallel coup couple of different times

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<v Speaker 3>when the football team moved on from coach lud and

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Pajakian took over as the play caller. Mike's first

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<v Speaker 3>media availability, he was very honest. He said, look, this

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<v Speaker 3>is Andy system, and you know there's nothing I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to do at this point in the season to change

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<v Speaker 3>what he's implemented. And so I wondered if coach Eiler

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<v Speaker 3>would change anything as far as what Craig has already

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<v Speaker 3>put in because it's just hard to make changes at

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<v Speaker 3>this point of the season. But one thing we have

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<v Speaker 3>seen is more minutes for Keanu. Kiano does right and

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<v Speaker 3>athletically that kid matches up. So your thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 3>improved or I should say accelerated minutes for Keanu. And

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<v Speaker 3>have you seen anything else that coach Eilitz tried to

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<v Speaker 3>do that's a little bit different than what Craig was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, And he said this in the first pregame

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<v Speaker 1>chat we did at Arizona and he reiterated it again

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, Spence, he was going to reward hard play

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<v Speaker 1>and effort with more minutes, and so maybe that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you saw Kana Dawes getting more minutes. Kano is he

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<v Speaker 1>is a talent Spence. I think he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that whoever the new coach is that comes in,

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<v Speaker 1>really puts the full court press on to keep this

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<v Speaker 1>kid around because he is really good and I think

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<v Speaker 1>his upside is there. But you've seen more minutes the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of games for Mason Madison as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mason's a guy that's well traveled, he's a senior, but

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<v Speaker 1>he plays really hard and he's given Josh good effort

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<v Speaker 1>and his minutes have gone up a little bit too.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know that, you know, philosophically or strategically,

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<v Speaker 1>they've done a whole lot different. You know, when they

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<v Speaker 1>don't throw the ball all over the gym, and they

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<v Speaker 1>valued the basketball, keep those turnovers down. They've been competitive

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<v Speaker 1>all year long and they did that obviously guess Arizona State.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the one thing that he has done

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<v Speaker 1>is really rewarded guys that have really busted their butts

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<v Speaker 1>and given good effort.

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<v Speaker 2>How big is Josh Eiler.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks like he's just like a big strong He

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a football coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's about six five sixty six. He played basketball league.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a walk on at Kansas State and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where he connected with Bob Huggins. So that's and he

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<v Speaker 1>was with Huggins for a year at Kansas State as

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<v Speaker 1>a grad assistant and then fifteen or sixteen years at

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia with it. But he had Josh is a

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<v Speaker 1>big guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't really tell the first time I saw him, like,

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<v Speaker 3>who is that football coach on the sideline?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big boy.

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<v Speaker 3>But so look, if I you to get weird for

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<v Speaker 3>a moment to expand your imagination, like the Long Beach

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<v Speaker 3>State coach last year was called into the office of

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<v Speaker 3>his boss and told that he was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>relieved of his duties, and they marched on to won

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<v Speaker 3>their conference tournament and went to the NCAA Tournament. No

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<v Speaker 3>part of me is predicting anything like that, but March

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<v Speaker 3>is wild in college hoops. Rest of the way, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>win one for the gift for type approach. How do

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<v Speaker 3>you think the rest of the year and then into

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<v Speaker 3>the Big twelve tournament's going to look for this team.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're gonna play really hard. I think they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a really good chance tomorrow night in the Senior

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<v Speaker 1>Night game, because they played really hard at West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>there again downfall Spence. I sound like I'm repeating myself here,

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<v Speaker 1>but they turned the ball over and were really loose

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<v Speaker 1>with the basketball. It's hard to do that against good

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<v Speaker 1>now West Virginia is it's hard to describe them because

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<v Speaker 1>they're eight and ten in conference play, but they've got

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<v Speaker 1>some good wins, Their net records pretty good. They should

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<v Speaker 1>probably be a little better than they are, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not bad. They're a fringe tournament team, but you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that on the road anywhere. So if they value

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball tomorrow night, they've got a chance. Because that

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<v Speaker 1>game was a single digit game to West Virginia made

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<v Speaker 1>some free throws late, and then by US rivalry game,

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<v Speaker 1>they've already beaten BYU once. Now BYU is playing really

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<v Speaker 1>good basketball right now. But you and I have both

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<v Speaker 1>been around long enough to know rivalry games are funny

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<v Speaker 1>things and if you make some shots or another team

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<v Speaker 1>isn't making some size So I think they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>really good chance in these next two games, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be somewhere depending on you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>they go oh to two, one and one two and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they could be anywhere from a seven seed and get

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<v Speaker 1>a buy which is a long shot because it's other

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<v Speaker 1>teams have to do some stuff to a nine or

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<v Speaker 1>a ten or an eleven seed. So they're likely still

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<v Speaker 1>going to play on that first day of the tournament

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<v Speaker 1>in Kansas City. But if they're in that ten eleven range,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they might be playing a TCU, a team

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<v Speaker 1>they beat on the road this year already, or a

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<v Speaker 1>Baylor team that they played really tough. So again, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any hard and fast predictions, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>that this team, when they value the basketball and rebounded

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well, and you've got a lot of seniors that

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<v Speaker 1>I might be playing their last games, they could have

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to win a few games here in the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're reference Kanto Kunta Does who right now is

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<v Speaker 3>a sophomore, And I would imagine with his kind of

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<v Speaker 3>incremental growth, you'd like to see what it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>when he's actually fully baked as a player. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think you'd like to have him back. Ezra is a junior,

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<v Speaker 3>he's shown growth. I think that's a talent you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>mind having in your program. And then I guess the

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<v Speaker 3>other player would be Jay Jake Wally And who's a sophomore.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Caleb Senior, Losson Senior, Gave Masons, Shrob Jams

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<v Speaker 3>is a junior. Who do you think this program is

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<v Speaker 3>going to make a full core press to try to

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<v Speaker 3>get back on the roster for next season.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, obviously that depends on the higher and how they

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<v Speaker 1>value these guys. But all those guys that you just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, Ezra Sar is averaging almost twenty points

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<v Speaker 1>a game at about seven rebounds in his last five games.

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<v Speaker 1>He's playing at a really high level. He's also beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to hit his free throws. And I'll tell you, Mike Shipe.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Sharup jobs when he is Like the other day

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<v Speaker 1>he had fourteen points and six assists in that win

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<v Speaker 1>over Arizona State. I like his talent too. While Lean

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<v Speaker 1>and Dawes, if you could keep and again, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say in this day and age of college basketball

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<v Speaker 1>because these guys all you know, have the wandering eye.

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<v Speaker 1>But whoever the coach is that comes in, if he

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<v Speaker 1>could retain those guys you were just talking about, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a really nice base to work with and some good

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<v Speaker 1>young players to build around in what you do in

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<v Speaker 1>recruiting and the portal and high school and transfers and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. So you know, I think whoever the guy

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<v Speaker 1>is is going to have to evaluate the talent for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you could keep three or four of those

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<v Speaker 1>guys you mentioned, maybe that's a long shot. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know because I'm not any of those guys. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you could keep three or four of those guys, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd be in pretty good shape with a good

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<v Speaker 1>base to start from for whoever the new staff is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And ultimately, you know, if you get two or

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<v Speaker 3>three back, or if you get zero back, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it doesn't change the fact this roster needs

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<v Speaker 3>a massive upgrade. Now, the good news is, in this

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<v Speaker 3>day and age, you can do it within a year

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<v Speaker 3>in an expedited way that you weren't able to prior to.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know a lot of people don't love the

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<v Speaker 3>transfer portal. And we'll see what the house versus NCAA

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<v Speaker 3>settlement brings. If these players are going to be asked

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody really fully knows.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wonder if you have any insight on recruits

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<v Speaker 3>that were, you know, ready to play for Craig and

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<v Speaker 3>talent there was ready to play for Craig and whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not this program is you know, and when when

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<v Speaker 3>Mark decided to move on from Larry, they lost a

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<v Speaker 3>grip of good players, a lot of talent. Are we

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<v Speaker 3>expecting the same thing an exodus of talent either on

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<v Speaker 3>the roster or on the way to play here with

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<v Speaker 3>with Craig losing his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I don't know either way. Spence the on the

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<v Speaker 1>roster stuff, I don't know. They've got the one kid, Krevin.

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<v Speaker 1>They Frank Jackson's little brother committed. He's a Salt Lake

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<v Speaker 1>my conversations with Craig would he never got specific with

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<v Speaker 1>me about who they were targeting. He just said they

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that was, you know, potential transfers,

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<v Speaker 1>might have been. So I'm a little bit more in

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<v Speaker 1>And to be very fair, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>programs that go out and you know, sign some of

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of these guys are coming in and saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I used tj Otzelberger as an example at Iowa State

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you are unable to comment on the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of the stuff surrounding the coaching search, but I

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<v Speaker 3>will ask you, are you aware of any sort of

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<v Speaker 3>time frame that Mark and maybe President Randall have in

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<v Speaker 3>mind before they want to land because you can't slow play,

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<v Speaker 2>Got to have your guy in play.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you aware of any time frame that is

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<v Speaker 3>preferable for the athletic department?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the perverbial sooner rather than later is always good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I haven't been told any any certain timeline on

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<v Speaker 1>any of that stuff. So I think the one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why the change was made a week ago

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think they probably again would just assume,

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me what in conversations you have with people around town,

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<v Speaker 3>friends of yours, you know, people that care about Utah Athletics,

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<v Speaker 3>away from your job as the voice and director of broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we have a bunch of different options, We have

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of different avenues, We have a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>different concepts and theories about how you can go about this.

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<v Speaker 3>What do people say to you about what they hope

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<v Speaker 3>this hire looks like in order for them to support

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and maybe I said it with you, or

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on your show and Scott's show and Sean's show.

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<v Speaker 1>But the people I talk to and you and I

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<v Speaker 1>have some common friends, they're older guys. They're not old guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're older guys now, and they can remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Utah was really good consistently at basketball in the late eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, the early two thousands, and most of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that are friends of mine, that are Utah

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<v Speaker 1>grads or ties to the Utah program are just wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to get that glimmer, wanting it to be I just

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a lot of Utah fans Spence that are

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<v Speaker 1>on the precipice. You know, when that guy. When that

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<v Speaker 1>for support, and I think that people are just are

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<v Speaker 1>itching to get back to the Huntsman Center. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>just had a lot of people that are you know

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that really want to get back out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your point. I think you brought it up with

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<v Speaker 1>me a week ago. There's no reason you can't be

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<v Speaker 1>at the Huntsman Center and seeing that great brand of

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>And if there's a coach that's hired that's able to

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<v Speaker 3>build this thing up where they win and they play

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<v Speaker 3>entertaining basketball and it's somewhat consistent, I'm entirely confident this

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<v Speaker 3>community will show up for that. I wondered because I

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't had a chance to ask you this. I believe

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<v Speaker 3>it was Florida States. I think there are three or

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<v Speaker 3>four big programs who have canceled their spring games. Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is doing it. They're just not doing spring football.

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing spring football, but they're not doing spring games anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is something that could seep into

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<v Speaker 3>the culture of college football where we just see a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do. I think you know Florida State did.

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<v Speaker 1>Nebraska did. I think they use the guys of renovations

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<v Speaker 1>to their stadium for doing it. But that's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Nebraska gets eighty thousand people because there's nothing else to

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<v Speaker 1>their spring game, so they cancel their spring games a

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<v Speaker 1>really really big deal. And there was somebody else. You're

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we'll probably see more of it. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that Kyle Whittingham didn't have any plans to do

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so much the game that's important, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a spring gathering to where people feel like they get

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<v Speaker 1>to connect to their football program in the spring, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's a scrimmage, whether it's a practice, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>because to be very fair, most of these spring games

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<v Speaker 1>are just glorified practices. Anyway. They might go for a

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<v Speaker 1>to the stadium. If they were watching a high end practice,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'd be okay with that too. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do know at Utah there's no plans at least while

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Whittingham is coached to cancel it right now, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>You got to go.

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<v Speaker 3>But before I say, you lose, since we're in the

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<v Speaker 3>football space, spring camp, the utes is Thursday, March twentieth,

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<v Speaker 3>BYU already in action. The twenty two Forever game Saturday,

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<v Speaker 3>April nineteenth. Fifteen practices over the course of five weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Just give me a couple of things you're hoping to

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<v Speaker 3>learn about a team that's going to look a lot

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<v Speaker 1>I think I want to see, first of all, Devin

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<v Speaker 1>Dampier because I, like everybody else, has watched lost of

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<v Speaker 1>lots of New Mexico tape from a year ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's he appears to be a really dynamic football player.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see how quickly and maybe it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen in the spring in fifteen practices, or maybe it does.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jason Beck's offense takes with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>new faces. You know, the offensive line is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty much the same, but the receiver room's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot different, the running back room's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot different, and the quarterback position is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a lot different, and they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to play as many tight ends. They've already said that

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<v Speaker 1>his personnel is a lot more eleven personnel instead of

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen personnel. So I'm really curious to see how all

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<v Speaker 1>those moves being pieces on offense work. And you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to see a lot defensively because they don't do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of big hitting. But I am just a

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<v Speaker 1>little curious to see how the corner spot looks and

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<v Speaker 1>how they fill in some of the voids on the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive line. Losing some guys to transfer into too graduation.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are a couple of the areas I'm curious with.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I'm gonna be like a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have my eyes on what the offense looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Kyle was really pointed in saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have one of these really super intricate, thick

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<v Speaker 1>four years to you know, integrate guys into that offense

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<v Speaker 1>and learn it. So to that point, let's see how

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<v Speaker 1>quickly Jason Beck's offense allows players to assimilate to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of what I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's always good to have football to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>So just a couple of weeks away, Roles, appreciate the time, buddy,

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<v Speaker 3>have a good week.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, what's the what's the vibe about Utah

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<v Speaker 1>basketball on the Asian Posse group text?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, let me kick the tires and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>get back to you. That's a very important question I

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<v Speaker 1>Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for reminding me. I'm going to send the

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<v Speaker 2>text now we'll do Thanks Ben, all right, Bill Riley,

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<v Speaker 2>The

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<v Speaker 3>Utah men's basketball Coaches Show will be tonight at six