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Speaker 1: Good evening, Good evening, and welcome to talking Point. As
Speaker 1: our jingle says, these are real conversations you need to have.
Speaker 1: And i'd like to say and wish everybody a happy
Speaker 1: new year. Twenty twenty five is finally here and wow,
Speaker 1: how time has flown. I can't believe we've actually got here.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five is in the house. So I want
Speaker 1: to thank you for sticking with us. We were just
Speaker 1: sating I had a few little technical difficulties just then,
Speaker 1: but hopefully you're going to stick around with us for
Speaker 1: the rest of our show. This is Talking Point from
Speaker 1: five till seven on Adventist Radio London, and as our
Speaker 1: first one for the year, didn't really take a break. Actually,
Speaker 1: we're going to do a bit of a recap of
Speaker 1: some of the shows that we did last year, just
Speaker 1: to give you kind of an idea and set the
Speaker 1: scene for what's going to be coming. It's interesting. We
Speaker 1: just played a track by Donald Lawrence, The best is
Speaker 1: yet to come. We did some great shows last year
Speaker 1: and hopefully we're going to have some really good ones
Speaker 1: as well. We've been setting up, we're meeting people and
Speaker 1: you know, we're always asking people to come on the
Speaker 1: show and people are really keen to kind of tell
Speaker 1: their story and you know, if you would like to
Speaker 1: do the same, and we'd love to hear from you
Speaker 1: as well. You can definitely get in concert with us
Speaker 1: and we want to hear your stories. Well, no hear
Speaker 1: you joining the conversations that we have. So as usual,
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Speaker 1: four to eight nine eight. So, as I said, this
Speaker 1: is our first show of twenty twenty five and we're
Speaker 1: going to be taking a little look back, just you know,
Speaker 1: give you a bit of a taste of some of
Speaker 1: the If you've missed any of our shows, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a bit of an idea of some of the
Speaker 1: topics that we covered and some of the people that
Speaker 1: we met. If you did want to listen to any
Speaker 1: of our shows. Many of our shows are podcasted, so
Speaker 1: you can look at those on spreaker dot com. Definitely
Speaker 1: have a listen. We have some really good guests on
Speaker 1: and we've covered some really important topics as well. And
Speaker 1: also we'd like to know what you would like to
Speaker 1: hear as well. We'd love to hear your stories and
Speaker 1: topics that you'd like to discuss and that we can
Speaker 1: talk about. But if you'd like to join that conversation,
Speaker 1: do you get in contact. So today I'm joined by
Speaker 1: one of my co hosts today, Zenya hopefully in she's
Speaker 1: in she's on the zoom today. I'm in the studio
Speaker 1: by myself today, so I'm going to have a quick
Speaker 1: chat with her shortly, but I'm going to play a
Speaker 1: clip of music to get us started, and again, this
Speaker 1: is a really good opportunity for us to play some
Speaker 1: really good music as well. So I'm going to pop
Speaker 1: in Hezekiah Walker every praise. Yeah, it's a great one
Speaker 1: there as well. So we'll be back after that.
Speaker 2: We can't worship.
Speaker 6: Where's all of my primers? I want everybody around the
Speaker 6: world and put.
Speaker 7: Your hand together, because I'm a praise for long time.
Speaker 2: Go here, we go.
Speaker 8: To our go.
Speaker 9: Everywhere from worship with one call, every prieze, every phrase,
Speaker 9: do our God, sing to our guards, coy hallehlua's do
Speaker 9: our guard, every prise, every praise to my God. Y'all
Speaker 9: got God help us singing heavy praise.
Speaker 6: It's toe. I gone.
Speaker 1: Every word the worst.
Speaker 4: We want to call.
Speaker 9: Every braid, every braids, it's whe God. Call everybody says
Speaker 9: to my God. Dory Holley Union, it's a God.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say every praise, say every phrase.
Speaker 9: It's to a God.
Speaker 2: Y'all gonna help me do it.
Speaker 9: You can take it out your praise.
Speaker 6: It's to God.
Speaker 2: Every ruder worship want to call, I'm gonna say every praise,
Speaker 2: every break.
Speaker 1: It's Hi God.
Speaker 6: I want everybody on over the world to.
Speaker 9: Say, my flu to my gods. Do me holley, it's
Speaker 9: to my gone. If it praise, if it praise, it's
Speaker 9: to our Gone.
Speaker 2: It's taken a more time.
Speaker 6: We can you wait? Anybody?
Speaker 2: Let me wear of worship with warm cord.
Speaker 9: Every praise, every praise, it's to our God. I don't
Speaker 9: care how I can feel it right now saying how
Speaker 9: lah h, my God, how that happen?
Speaker 6: Have you pray? We praise?
Speaker 1: It's time.
Speaker 6: This is not dumb.
Speaker 1: Uh say.
Speaker 6: Yes he is? Yes, he come inside? Can't he? Yes?
Speaker 10: He is?
Speaker 6: Yes, he is my check him. Maybe I didn't know
Speaker 6: he's here a sign.
Speaker 2: I didn't know he's a sign.
Speaker 6: Yes he is, Yes, yess yes as my.
Speaker 11: I mean.
Speaker 1: Shout yes. Every praise is to our God. Hezekiah Walker.
Speaker 1: So welcome to Talking Point, our first show of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five And yeah, it's quite exciting to be
Speaker 1: back for this new year. You know, when something kind
Speaker 1: of feels like twenty twenty five is coming, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's really actually here, which is quite amazing.
Speaker 1: I have try and get myself my head around writing
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five you know, twenty twenty four is no more,
Speaker 1: so welcome to Talking Point. I'm joined as always with
Speaker 1: my trusty co host. One of my co hosts. The
Speaker 1: other one has deserted us today, no shade Pedro, But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm here with Zenya.
Speaker 4: Who is answer for it?
Speaker 1: Who is on zoom with us today? Xenia? How are you?
Speaker 4: I am here? Let's put it that way. I'm just
Speaker 4: kind of recovering from about a flu or cold or
Speaker 4: a mashup of the two. Was sure. I still have
Speaker 4: this residual cough that doesn't want to go away, but
Speaker 4: pass worth and certainly thankful for being here, Thankful for
Speaker 4: walking into twenty twenty five. Thank God grace alone. So
Speaker 4: happy new Year to all our listeners. I hope you
Speaker 4: hearing me clearly, I think this the lust. I hope
Speaker 4: you've had a good start to your twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: and four days in and counting. But we give God
Speaker 4: all the praise and all the glory, for he is good,
Speaker 4: amend and.
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I can definitely empathize with the
Speaker 1: cold flu cough thing that seems to be going around go.
Speaker 1: I think every person that I can come across seems
Speaker 1: to be seems to be suffering or getting over. I know,
Speaker 1: I've had it twice right now, and usually I do
Speaker 1: quite well with I've done quite well. I had done
Speaker 1: quite well all year, and then I got hit with it.
Speaker 1: There's a moment you're kind of really busy, your run down,
Speaker 1: those germs and stuff flying around, you know they have but.
Speaker 4: The same I'm thankful, like I really didn't have much
Speaker 4: of illness or anything like that during the year, not
Speaker 4: that I can remember now. Goodness gracious to me, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four really flew no pun intended, but yeah, it's
Speaker 4: really hit me. It's hit me good. But the timing
Speaker 4: is okay ish, things have slown down a little bit
Speaker 4: the break before you know, reality resumes, so hopefully I'll
Speaker 4: be back to full throttle by then.
Speaker 1: Good well, yeah, I hope you do make a full recovery.
Speaker 1: I mean, the challenge that I've had is that I
Speaker 1: haven't fully recovered, so it seems to be lingering and
Speaker 1: then it kind of flairs up again, which is not great.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately our hold household had it as well.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of recommendation is for people to just
Speaker 4: wrap back up. And I know there's there's whispers around
Speaker 4: that there is something COVID like circulating. Whether this is
Speaker 4: it or not, I'm not sure, but we need to
Speaker 4: get back onto our defenses or handwashing, our vitamin seed
Speaker 4: taking or ginger or honey, whatever it is that you
Speaker 4: normally can't copt news. Yeah, we need to get back
Speaker 4: to be vigilant.
Speaker 1: Yep, I've definitely we never really stopped, but I'm going natural.
Speaker 1: I'm taking medicines. Indeed, it's like, yep, I've got the
Speaker 1: whole shop bag, as it were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought, you know, we're able.
Speaker 1: To walk into twenty twenty five with relatively good health
Speaker 1: as it were.
Speaker 4: Man, I want to also share. I know you gave
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Speaker 4: And I really can't stress it enough, how much more
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Speaker 4: of the program if it were interacting, if persons were
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Speaker 1: So there's lots of ways to get in contact with us,
Speaker 1: and you know, as Zenya said, it always makes it
Speaker 1: really interesting if we want to hear your if we
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Speaker 1: as always, before we get into a further discussion, let's
Speaker 1: pray for the program and then we'll continue. Father God,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for blessing us today, Dear Lord.
Speaker 1: It's been our first birth of for twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: and I thank you, Dear Lord, that we have made
Speaker 1: it thus far. I prayed in Lord that you will
Speaker 1: help us to use this platform wisely. It's an opportunity
Speaker 1: and a privilege to be able to share with people.
Speaker 1: And I pray, dear Lord, that whatever we share can
Speaker 1: be a blessing to someone and ultimately bring them closer
Speaker 1: to you. I thank you for hearing and answering our prayers,
Speaker 1: the Lord, and the amazing things that you are going
Speaker 1: to do for us this year, And this is my prayer. Amen. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Xanya, how did you spend the break? How was
Speaker 1: your New year?
Speaker 12: How is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was a little bit too busy, and
Speaker 4: you were right, possibly why I ended up being poorly.
Speaker 4: Usually spend the Christmas out of town with family, so yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what we did this year, packed up as we
Speaker 4: always do, pack up the Christmas table and all, and
Speaker 4: went about our business and travel around that time. Here
Speaker 4: is hectic. It's busy, it's chaotic, you know, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: I was exhausted by the end of it and slightly
Speaker 4: fluey at the end of it. But and that's what
Speaker 4: Christmas is about. It's no longer about the adults, it's
Speaker 4: about the kids. And certainly we had a good time,
Speaker 4: you know, play play play soft plays and you know,
Speaker 4: screaming children and oh my days, I'm to say to.
Speaker 11: All of this, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I certainly feel it from time to time. But
Speaker 4: they say, you know, they shall keep me young. So yeah,
Speaker 4: we were busy running behind screaming children and just having
Speaker 4: a good time and enjoying each other's company.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 4: Once that was done, got back to London and found
Speaker 4: myself at the New Year's Eve, the lame of London
Speaker 4: New Year's Even celebration. Always wanted to go, always wanted
Speaker 4: to go, and finally found myself some tickets that were
Speaker 4: relatively reasonable. Picture was listening and going.
Speaker 1: Nad But but I guess you did it once, and
Speaker 1: I've done it years ago exactly paying that much money.
Speaker 1: But if anything, but you know, it's a you did
Speaker 1: it once, you.
Speaker 4: Don't want That's That's what I'd say to anybody who
Speaker 4: may be thinking of it, maybe wanting to go, and
Speaker 4: wants to brave the cold and the crowd the two season. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: I had a cold, But yeah, if I hadn't booked
Speaker 4: the tickets and bought the tickets, I would not have
Speaker 4: left my house. But having said that, it was relatively
Speaker 4: mild and not windy where we were, though I had
Speaker 4: friends say that they have to rush in after fireworks
Speaker 4: were done because it was gusty where they were. But
Speaker 4: I'm not buying myself. And you know, in the area
Speaker 4: that was closest to the eye, the London I and
Speaker 4: the London Eye was featured quite heavily in this year's
Speaker 4: fireworks because they were celebrating twenty five years of its
Speaker 4: blessing beautifying the London skyline. So it was really, really,
Speaker 4: really really good. I thank the Lord for holding the weather,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't raining and I could feel my fingertips
Speaker 4: at the end of it. My nose wasn't falling off.
Speaker 4: You know, there's all the stuff I was bracing myself
Speaker 4: for what I did buy the tickets earlier this year, thought,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, within the woolies and all that. I know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessary at all. It was just really nice,
Speaker 4: really really nice atmosphere. Not as energetic as I thought
Speaker 4: it would be. It really just kicked off a few
Speaker 4: minutes before midnight. Maybe it's where we were, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but we got there relatively early so we could secure
Speaker 4: a good spot because the crowds were manic, absolute madness.
Speaker 4: But we were there early enough, and adjusting only really
Speaker 4: began sort of towards midnight when people were trying to
Speaker 4: get better views. But I stood my ground place to say,
Speaker 4: I went live as well in IG So that was fun,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it was good and I crawled back into
Speaker 4: my bed and I haven't left since.
Speaker 1: Cool. So you're celebrated the new year, it was also
Speaker 1: a celebration of another sorts, if I remember right.
Speaker 4: Indeed, it's my anniversary. So many people are gonna go
Speaker 4: she's mad, yes, yes, yes, keeping it close to my
Speaker 4: chest because I just thought, let me, let me nurse
Speaker 4: this thing once it's it's blossoming. Because yeah, I find marriage.
Speaker 4: It's something you've got to just saturate in prayer and patience,
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm thankful, really really thankful to I
Speaker 4: found someone who loves even me as pesky and as
Speaker 4: troublesome as I can be. And others are shaking their
Speaker 4: head absolutely not. Yeah, No, I am an angel really,
Speaker 4: you know. He's been really good to myself and my family,
Speaker 4: and I'm really grateful. And some days are difficult, don't
Speaker 4: get me wrong. And I challenge anybody who says marriage
Speaker 4: is easy but well worth it. You know, I can't
Speaker 4: think of anybody else. I don't want to spend the
Speaker 4: rest of my life with them or things get difficult.
Speaker 4: That's what comes to mind.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's not for it's not the it's not a race
Speaker 4: for the swift. It's for those who endure so all
Speaker 4: the nice, majestic, romantic gesture to be underneath love that
Speaker 4: starry and glitzy skies. For my anniversary which is New
Speaker 4: Years And actually I've taken up all the all the
Speaker 4: show with my chatter.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's that's that's what we're talking. That's what we do,
Speaker 1: as we say, we're looking back as it were, so
Speaker 1: an interesting Actually we haven't got any eclipse today on
Speaker 1: this one, but we had done when we do February.
Speaker 1: You know, we did a whole sort of series around
Speaker 1: relationships and marriage, and we have several couples on who
Speaker 1: were sharing their words of wisdom who've been married, you
Speaker 1: know for quite a long time, nineteen years, twenty years,
Speaker 1: thirty something years, and you're just like, wow, so yeah, sounds.
Speaker 4: So far away, my goodness. Yeah, And kudos to f
Speaker 4: to marriages and couples that.
Speaker 1: Stand the test of time, work hard to make it
Speaker 1: work as it were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely all right. How about you? I
Speaker 4: mean again, do you spend your Christmas Alia again?
Speaker 1: Christmasas it was busy. I was thankful to be kind
Speaker 1: of off work for you know, the two weeks, which
Speaker 1: has been good. I went to some family friends for
Speaker 1: Christmas dinner and stuff, and that was, you know, it's
Speaker 1: really nice, you know, sort of lots of as you said, chaos,
Speaker 1: you know, lots of energy, kind of upbeat. I actually
Speaker 1: was very tired, and I actually believe I actually fell
Speaker 1: over on that day as well. So yeah, I stumbled
Speaker 1: something from the car, and I stumbled, as you do.
Speaker 1: I just thought, oh my goodness, well as I seem
Speaker 1: to do these days. So I kind of then felt
Speaker 1: really kind of a little sore and a bit tired.
Speaker 1: So I, you know, ends up sort of as I
Speaker 1: do quite often, fall asleep. But you know, it's some
Speaker 1: good food, had a laugh and stuff, so that was
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 4: And then Dan, yeah, and then and christ to the
Speaker 4: Center Bill.
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed in their New Years again, I was at church.
Speaker 1: I had a service bringing in there the new year.
Speaker 1: Then and then I did, unlike you, I did watch
Speaker 1: the fireworks. But I sat in the comfort of my
Speaker 1: house alma sofa, And it's funny because usually I would
Speaker 1: take pictures and make it look like I was if
Speaker 1: I'm really there. And I sat there for a moment
Speaker 1: and just thought, oh, I really can't be bothered to
Speaker 1: do that. And then I was like, I feel compelled.
Speaker 1: Actually I want to. I want to. I think over
Speaker 1: this last year, I've definitely been thinking about, you know,
Speaker 1: memories and the idea of and again we'll look, we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this in one of the
Speaker 1: shows that was quite dear to my heart in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, memories, making memories and preserving them as well,
Speaker 1: because at some points we may not have them, or
Speaker 1: we might not have people around and what have you.
Speaker 1: So I did actually take pictures like I was like,
Speaker 1: do you know what, Oh this is so great. I
Speaker 1: love this, So let me just you know, immortalize that
Speaker 1: as it were. So yeah, and then it's kind of
Speaker 1: suddenly it's all over and I should be back to
Speaker 1: work towards the end of next week. I've got a
Speaker 1: few more days off hopefully, So yeah, it has to
Speaker 1: get back into the swing of.
Speaker 4: Most people seem to have had two weeks off, which
Speaker 4: so you was full if you've used it to rest
Speaker 4: and recharged, because yeah, it's full frontal I imagine once
Speaker 4: everyone gets back, yes through the work doors.
Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, okay, so here we are. That was
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So, as I said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: we're going to be looking back at some of the
Speaker 1: shows that we did throughout twenty twenty four. And I
Speaker 1: was thinking about today, I was where was I. I
Speaker 1: was reading today and listening to the service there, thinking
Speaker 1: about sort of what our purpose. The question was asked,
Speaker 1: you know, what's your purpose? And you know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: know this time of the year, people think about what
Speaker 1: they want to do when it changes, they want to
Speaker 1: make You know, I'm not necessarily big on resolutions necessarily,
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I always if I'm going
Speaker 1: to make a resolution, I think you should be starting
Speaker 1: preparing that from like September, so kind of easing yourself in,
Speaker 1: as it were. But I do like to sometimes think
Speaker 1: of a particular word or a theme or something to
Speaker 1: kind of shape what's going through the new year. Haven't
Speaker 1: really this year, I haven't really I've not felt inspired
Speaker 1: just yet about something. Although I think the idea has
Speaker 1: been mulling in my head a little bit about new
Speaker 1: opportunities and seizing those new opportunities. So maybe the idea
Speaker 1: of newness and doing something new, whatever that looks like,
Speaker 1: maybe something to think about that which then kind of
Speaker 1: maybe think about, you know, then what you need to
Speaker 1: do to kind of maybe get to those points. I
Speaker 1: believe in preparation and planning and everything else. But this
Speaker 1: will bring us on to our first show that we
Speaker 1: did of twenty twenty four, the first shows that we
Speaker 1: did for that first month, where we had one of
Speaker 1: our Now, if you're a regulars and noted talking point,
Speaker 1: you know that we have our resident therapists. As much
Speaker 1: as our team likes to talk and I say our team,
Speaker 1: Zenya Pedro. We do have a new member as well, Malemba,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll hear from her throughout the year as well.
Speaker 1: But we have our practitioners on. We have our experts
Speaker 1: who would shed a light on many of the topics
Speaker 1: that we will talk about and bring that kind of
Speaker 1: professional expert for you. And so we had Alison A
Speaker 1: Waku who we've had on several times. She's you know,
Speaker 1: a therapist, she's an author and she does a whole heap.
Speaker 1: She does a whole heap of things. Actually, she actually
Speaker 1: came to our church to do we had a mental
Speaker 1: Health no Family Life day. She came and was the
Speaker 1: guest speak of that and actually I was doing an introduction,
Speaker 1: and you know, she's she does. She does so many
Speaker 1: different things, wear so many different hats. It's completely dedicated,
Speaker 1: you know, her life to kind of helping people, supporting people.
Speaker 1: But she's ultimately a child of God, and you know
Speaker 1: she's passionate about Christ and passionate for bringing people to
Speaker 1: Christ as well. So we started off the year with
Speaker 1: the series that she has created called Breaking Down Strongholds,
Speaker 1: And this is an opportunity to think about some of
Speaker 1: those things that really hold us back. And you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes we want to make new starts, we want to
Speaker 1: do something different, but there are things from our I say,
Speaker 1: our past. It could be something very present that stops
Speaker 1: us from doing that or makes it really difficult, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, we can't. It's not about this, you're
Speaker 1: doing all this by ourselves. You know, we've got to
Speaker 1: be close to God and allow Him to work through
Speaker 1: us as well. I'm really reminded of a visions four
Speaker 1: twenty two, where it says you were taught, with regard
Speaker 1: to your former way of life, to put off your
Speaker 1: old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires,
Speaker 1: to be made new in the attitude of your minds,
Speaker 1: and to be put on the new self created to
Speaker 1: be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Now we
Speaker 1: may read text like that, however, we know that life
Speaker 1: has a way of lifing and the idea of strongholds
Speaker 1: things that really hold us back are really real. So
Speaker 1: she kind of we spent the month going through various
Speaker 1: topics in themes that you know about things that can
Speaker 1: hold us back. But our first clip we're going to
Speaker 1: play today was just her really explaining a little bit
Speaker 1: about who she was and what she kind of based
Speaker 1: the series around. So I'm going to play this first
Speaker 1: clip now, yeah, and then we'll chat about that because
Speaker 1: I know, I learned a whole I learned a lot,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was a really really good series.
Speaker 1: I definitely definitely want to listen back. So let's have
Speaker 1: listened to Alison now, who.
Speaker 12: Haven't heard from me before? My name is Alison's surname
Speaker 12: is Awoku spelled a.
Speaker 8: W U k U.
Speaker 12: I'm a qualified counselor and accredited psychotherapist. What can I say.
Speaker 12: I'm a member of the Walking I'm church and just
Speaker 12: just a child of God.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 12: I serve on various areas committees within within the Seven
Speaker 12: day Adventist Church, and it's it's just a pleasure to
Speaker 12: be back here. I'm just going to talk a bit
Speaker 12: about the series. Like Xenia said, it's a series that
Speaker 12: I've run for for my local church and for another
Speaker 12: small group, and I think that it's you know, I
Speaker 12: heard Pedro talking about having the right mindset in this
Speaker 12: new year, and I think it's it's serious to start
Speaker 12: the new year with We all will always say Happy
Speaker 12: New Year at the start of every new year. We
Speaker 12: know that as the year goes by, we will have challenges,
Speaker 12: and you know, some of these challenges are quite are
Speaker 12: quite strong, and well we'll will really derail derail us
Speaker 12: in many ways. And so we're here to talk about strongholds.
Speaker 12: Why here to talk about the things that kind of
Speaker 12: take over our minds, the things that really impact us
Speaker 12: very strongly. And how did the series come about? It
Speaker 12: came about really as a kind of a desire really
Speaker 12: to help people live more abundant lives. And you know
Speaker 12: it's really the background is taken from the Book of
Speaker 12: Second Corinthians, chapter ten, Versus three to five, where Paul
Speaker 12: is writing to the church in Koreans and he says,
Speaker 12: although we walk in the flesh, we do not walk
Speaker 12: against the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are
Speaker 12: not canal, but mighty in God, for pulling down strongholds,
Speaker 12: casting down arguments, and every high thing that exalts itself
Speaker 12: against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity
Speaker 12: to the obedience of Christ. So essentially, what we're looking
Speaker 12: to do here is wire looking to help people live
Speaker 12: life more abundantly. In twenty twenty four listeners to talking Point,
Speaker 12: we want all of us to experience more abundant living.
Speaker 12: In the Book of John ten verse ten, crisis I
Speaker 12: have come, but they may have life and have it
Speaker 12: more abundantly. And so we are really trying to focus
Speaker 12: here on physic, on emotional and mental wellbeing, which obviously
Speaker 12: does have a knock on effect on physical wellbeing. So
Speaker 12: that's what the series is about. Today we're just going
Speaker 12: to talk about an introduction, but next time we're going
Speaker 12: to be talking about worry, fear, and anxiety, so that
Speaker 12: impacts us. And then we'll be talking about dealing with
Speaker 12: depression and then anger and then coming trauma, dealing with rejection,
Speaker 12: and lastly we'll be looking at understanding our work. So
Speaker 12: that's an overview of the series.
Speaker 1: So that was a very quick introduction, as I said,
Speaker 1: of what the series was about. So Xanya, I know,
Speaker 1: we've got another clip. She mentioned the different topics that
Speaker 1: we covered. What are you What were your thoughts on
Speaker 1: this series that we did to start off our year.
Speaker 4: Okay, I found this on the web for this series
Speaker 4: that we did to start a fire.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 1: That's my laptop thing weird things, interesting technology.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure the listeners have heard me, but kind
Speaker 4: I was gonna say bang on about I read this
Speaker 4: radio but yes it was. When I heard it a
Speaker 4: really good series, I thought it was worth sharing with
Speaker 4: our listeners, and so it was. The response. The feedback
Speaker 4: has been phenomenal and it's what it says on the tin.
Speaker 4: It's just a lot of wonderful nuggets as to how
Speaker 4: we could break the strongholds in or bring down the
Speaker 4: strongholds in our lives, and the topics were relevant and
Speaker 4: I'm certain if you have not dealt with one of
Speaker 4: these issues, you will. It's just life lives, and these
Speaker 4: things come up, they come up maybe once, they come
Speaker 4: up time and time again, and certainly if you have
Speaker 4: not leveraged this series, then you will find it useful
Speaker 4: at some point in your life. And as Angie said
Speaker 4: at the very top, they can be found on spreaker
Speaker 4: dot com, along with all the other programs that we want.
Speaker 4: Many of the other programs that we've done, uh, the
Speaker 4: one that resonates with me or I mean, all of
Speaker 4: them are really really packed. Depression. It was a really
Speaker 4: good one and Allison wrote down as she did with
Speaker 4: every topic, the nitty gritty, the biology that you know,
Speaker 4: the philosophy, the you know, the theology. We had it
Speaker 4: all in the series. And I know, Angie you said
Speaker 4: it as well. We were busy writing notes and Alison
Speaker 4: did say to us that that's what she really enjoyed
Speaker 4: about presenting the program on Talking Point is that we
Speaker 4: kept her on our toes. We were listening, we were
Speaker 4: paying attention, and we were asking the relevant questions. And
Speaker 4: not only did did we really benefit from the program,
Speaker 4: but like I said, the responses and the feedback from
Speaker 4: our listeners was that it was amazing and well worth
Speaker 4: tuning in for.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I really liked Yeah, No, I totally agree,
Speaker 1: and I really liked the way. I'm quite a visual person,
Speaker 1: and she was very descriptive in you know, brazy breaking
Speaker 1: things down, and I guess, you know, the idea of
Speaker 1: what of thinking about what a stronghold is and how
Speaker 1: that's used in different in different forms, but actually a
Speaker 1: stronghold potentially could be somewhere of protection, but if it
Speaker 1: all gets too much, then it actually works against us.
Speaker 1: I also love the fact that it was very it's
Speaker 1: very it was very biblicy based. You know, she not
Speaker 1: only sort of wrote things down in terms of what
Speaker 1: things were and gave some really practical suggestions on how
Speaker 1: to manage and cope with things, which things that we
Speaker 1: can do ourselves. But at the center of it, all,
Speaker 1: you know, was scripture encouraging verses, you know, looking to
Speaker 1: the Word of God for the inspiration and you know,
Speaker 1: the way in which we can do things. So I
Speaker 1: really I really did enjoy that, and I really how
Speaker 1: she sort of centered things around that way as well. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: and all the topics we know that you said they
Speaker 1: were all very they're all very relevant, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to listen to one around trauma shortly. But
Speaker 1: you know, again, they're things that we've probably all gone
Speaker 1: through on different levels and we'll probably.
Speaker 6: Will go through.
Speaker 1: Continued. And I did really like one of the ones
Speaker 1: that we kind of ended with a knowing your worth
Speaker 1: as well, because I think sometimes, you know, we may
Speaker 1: be going through all these challenges and sometimes we don't
Speaker 1: think we know, God loves us unconditionally, He gives us
Speaker 1: grace and mercy all the time, but yet sometimes we
Speaker 1: feel that we don't deserve that and we don't really
Speaker 1: recognize how valuable you we are, maybe because we're going
Speaker 1: through some of these challenges and maybe we're not coping
Speaker 1: so well and it makes us feel maybe that we're
Speaker 1: not trusting Him enough for not doing all the right
Speaker 1: things and everything else. But you know, that was a
Speaker 1: really that was a really poilliant one as well. So again,
Speaker 1: you know, when I thank Allison for sharing her passion,
Speaker 1: sharing her knowledge and her wisdom with this series, and
Speaker 1: you know, do check it out on Spreaker. But we're
Speaker 1: going to listen now to one of the clip from
Speaker 1: one of the shows around trauma and how we can
Speaker 1: manage and deal with trauma. So let's pop that one
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 4: That what is manifesting, what's above water, as it were,
Speaker 4: based on your analogy, is because of trauma, because there's
Speaker 4: so many other things that could be going on. Or
Speaker 4: is it always trauma if I'm if I'm depressed, if
Speaker 4: I'm if I am struggling with sleep, if I can't
Speaker 4: moderate my anger and my emotions. Is there always an
Speaker 4: underlying traumatic event that maybe I haven't really sort of
Speaker 4: discovered or focused on. Is that at what point then
Speaker 4: do I? Or is at this point that I go
Speaker 4: to the doctor or to to you know, a therapist
Speaker 4: and so forth and try to unpack what might be
Speaker 4: going on with me. So does that make sense?
Speaker 12: It does?
Speaker 3: It does absolutely.
Speaker 12: So what you're trying to do is look for the
Speaker 12: tell tale signs like this is actually as a result
Speaker 12: of trauma, not not just anything else. So I'd just
Speaker 12: like to say that every every behavior has a has
Speaker 12: a root and has a function, and it's likely that
Speaker 12: you know it's as a result of a trauma, or
Speaker 12: it's likely that it's as a result of something else.
Speaker 12: But how we know is we can think of, right,
Speaker 12: the way in which I'm behaving, is it proportionate to
Speaker 12: actually the situation, the circumstances around me. Now, if there's
Speaker 12: an overreaction, then it's wise to think, Okay, when was
Speaker 12: the last time, when it's another time that I felt
Speaker 12: this way and another time that I felt this way,
Speaker 12: because that could lead you to a traumatic situation, And
Speaker 12: how was that handle? How is the address? How did
Speaker 12: I feel at that time? Did I feel like really threatened?
Speaker 12: Did I feel like my life was in danger? Did
Speaker 12: I feel completely helpless? Do I have flashbacks about this situation?
Speaker 12: Is there any situation in my life that I have
Speaker 12: difficulties kind of moving on from because I have things
Speaker 12: that just bring back either the whole memory or bits
Speaker 12: of memory. Because you know some of these very strong reactions, it's.
Speaker 3: Likely that that connected to something else in the past.
Speaker 12: Otherwise your response would be proportionate to the situation at hand.
Speaker 3: So by yourself you can you can do a bit of.
Speaker 4: Kind of.
Speaker 3: Analysis.
Speaker 12: However, if you arrive at the point where you think, oh,
Speaker 12: there's something in my past that and you know what
Speaker 12: happens is a lot of people just try to get on,
Speaker 12: just keep going, depending on the culture. For some cultures
Speaker 12: are very much for you know, just keep going, you're
Speaker 12: going to be okay, or pray about it. It's going
Speaker 12: to be fine. But we have to understand that, you know,
Speaker 12: when it comes to trauma, there are things that are
Speaker 12: happening in your brain as part of a natural process
Speaker 12: because something's gone wrong.
Speaker 3: It's not you not wanting to move on.
Speaker 12: It's your brain playing back information because the hypo campus
Speaker 12: has not been able to function and store things us memory.
Speaker 12: The proof frontal cortex is not able to regulate the
Speaker 12: emotions as it should. So I think it's you know,
Speaker 12: as human beings, we are integrated beings. We're integrated with
Speaker 12: our present and our past are quite integrated. So it's
Speaker 12: really really important that we look out for the connections
Speaker 12: in our history or in our earlier or early significant experiences,
Speaker 12: because it's likely that those experiences are triggers, and you know,
Speaker 12: what's happening in the here and now is triggering memories
Speaker 12: from what's happening. So if your response is disproportionate to
Speaker 12: the situation at hand, then I'd say you need to
Speaker 12: investigate a bit more by just reflecting.
Speaker 3: When it's another time I felt this way.
Speaker 12: And if you're consciously and intentionally trying to avoid you know,
Speaker 12: reflecting or thinking of that thing that's happening in the past,
Speaker 12: because avoidance is one of the really big symptoms of PTSD,
Speaker 12: then you know that it's likely that there's trauma in
Speaker 12: the But then at that point you need to go.
Speaker 3: To a mental health professional or go to a GP to.
Speaker 12: Get referred to a mental health professional and get yourself
Speaker 12: assessed for trauma.
Speaker 3: There are quite specific assess men's for PTSD.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you as you're talking, I'm thinking that
Speaker 4: these cases may more relate to those small tea's that
Speaker 4: you're talking about. If it's a catastrophic or a very
Speaker 4: big tee, then you may be able to pinpoint what
Speaker 4: has caused this. But it's those small teas, you know,
Speaker 4: the abuse as a child by your father or whatever,
Speaker 4: or sexual abuse or that kind of those kinds of
Speaker 4: circumstances that might manifest themselves. And you know, you may
Speaker 4: be a relationship and you're not sure why you're responding
Speaker 4: to your husband or your wife that way, and it
Speaker 4: could be those underlying issues.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's like a chain reaction.
Speaker 1: What are you trying to say?
Speaker 4: Your line and look forget about all that other junk.
Speaker 1: This battle ain't yours.
Speaker 6: Yes, a low bring about and then shout.
Speaker 13: Yet me see it's no pay Jesus kid, feed theres
Speaker 13: bok heart that he cann died.
Speaker 1: He all things want, Yes.
Speaker 14: They do according to the fastest purpose.
Speaker 6: And this whole you.
Speaker 10: Madala, you and balcony I'm going through. Remember the god
Speaker 10: of the wls a chance to use.
Speaker 4: The battle.
Speaker 6: He is not, oh.
Speaker 1: Skins the world.
Speaker 13: We're gonna sell the meaddle.
Speaker 6: That all right, that is no sad. Jesus cannot be.
Speaker 14: Side that the mister is not able and willing to hate.
Speaker 6: Remember that all.
Speaker 14: They're not gonna be all good, but they.
Speaker 6: Shall on according to God's pragmas and his o meddle.
Speaker 6: No matter what you're doing.
Speaker 14: With broom retimber, God sees all that it knows.
Speaker 6: All it wants to do is choose you dispanti is yours.
Speaker 6: It's instance. It's the it's noticely God. And think you
Speaker 6: got to hold your head. Had you belong to the fust,
Speaker 6: you don't need to hurt. It's the wall, it's.
Speaker 2: The d.
Speaker 14: Killing yessiceelay, No matter what you're going through, Piper, it's
Speaker 14: gonna be here. He's just using.
Speaker 6: Don't matter what you're happen to go through. Man, Remember
Speaker 6: this would be a mini God is all in choosing.
Speaker 6: He's not happing. You got to knowing your hot. But
Speaker 6: no matter what comes, no matter what does God, he
Speaker 6: Lord he lost this fasts not you.
Speaker 10: He need tres approaching a men's good.
Speaker 6: I like you got to it. Hold on, can, hold
Speaker 6: down cold, don't.
Speaker 7: Get up, get, don't get don't get step out of
Speaker 7: the bait, step out of bite.
Speaker 6: Miss.
Speaker 1: Yes, no matter what you're going through, hold your head up,
Speaker 1: stick your chest out to remember, He's just using you,
Speaker 1: no matter what you're going through. God is just use
Speaker 1: you for The battle is not yours alone. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: your landa Adam, And that's a fitting song thinking about
Speaker 1: our first series that we did in January about breaking
Speaker 1: strongholds with Alison a Waku. Indeed, as much as she
Speaker 1: gave us some really practical advice, the battle is not
Speaker 1: just ours to deal within our own. The Lord has
Speaker 1: got us and he will bring you through. So that
Speaker 1: brings us nicely onto our next our next program that
Speaker 1: we're going to kind of feature now Zen. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was I want to hand over to you on this
Speaker 1: one because this was one of your your favorites.
Speaker 4: Well, I just wanted to just go back to Alison,
Speaker 4: just a very quick point to remind our listeners that
Speaker 4: there is extra support out here. We speak of God's
Speaker 4: per personally, his strength and his ability to get us
Speaker 4: through the crisis, but He's also put people in positions
Speaker 4: that they can assist. We're talking therapists, psychotherapist, doctors, et cetera.
Speaker 4: We hope to maybe share some information on whom you
Speaker 4: can contact. Recently have our own counseling Christian counseling service.
Speaker 2: So do not.
Speaker 4: Attempt to tackle these big issues, especially if you start
Speaker 4: feeling overwhelmed by them on your own. Reach out and
Speaker 4: get the support that you need. And obviously if you're
Speaker 4: in a position to support someone, sign post someone, then
Speaker 4: do that as well. I think we all need to
Speaker 4: look out for each other within the church context and
Speaker 4: winin our own communities.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, definitely, And so yeah, that just.
Speaker 4: Leads me nice into Season Dialogue. I really enjoyed that
Speaker 4: program highlight for me and we were speaking with Lisa
Speaker 4: Lisa Marie and Season Dialogue has now become a six
Speaker 4: hundred thousand strong followers, a platform which she uses to
Speaker 4: do spoken word more than anything and encourage persons who
Speaker 4: are listening to her on several really crucial issues, whether
Speaker 4: she's talking about protecting your space, protecting your energy, whether
Speaker 4: she's talking about learning to let go, learning to live
Speaker 4: your best life, and which what was really good to
Speaker 4: hear her they in the podcast we did and in
Speaker 4: her podcast generally, is how she realies on God. You know,
Speaker 4: she shares that regularly, and it's really good to see
Speaker 4: people thriving, you know, but still putting God as a
Speaker 4: focus and not being afraid to do that because sometimes
Speaker 4: people who who want to the limelight or want to
Speaker 4: entertain a shy away from introducing God because they don't
Speaker 4: know who that might offend or whether that will mean losing,
Speaker 4: you know, certain communities and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But she's bold enough and brave enough to say God
Speaker 4: is her center. God is the reason why she's got
Speaker 4: the success that she has. And I was talking to
Speaker 4: her the other day and just a side note, but
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're realizing it, but a lot
Speaker 4: of celebrities and people in power, a lot more of
Speaker 4: them are now talking about God. I don't know if
Speaker 4: life is lifeing for them as it lives for us all,
Speaker 4: but you're starting to realize. Like I was listening to
Speaker 4: a program yesterday with Jamie Fox, who had, you know,
Speaker 4: this major health issue last year, and in his stand
Speaker 4: up routine, he just acknowledges how he had gone far
Speaker 4: from God. And you know, this was a wake a
Speaker 4: call for him. And I'm hearing so many others say it.
Speaker 4: So to God with the glory, and they're using their
Speaker 4: platforms to lift God up, and he will only draw
Speaker 4: men and women to him. So really really pleased that
Speaker 4: she responded to the invitation and shared with us a
Speaker 4: little bit about her, a little bit about social media
Speaker 4: and what it means to have that kind of following
Speaker 4: and to keep producing authentically, and also she shared a
Speaker 4: little bit about I think she shared someone Praised for Me,
Speaker 4: which is one of her pieces about prayer and about God.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was a really good time. I think
Speaker 4: you both also enjoyed the interaction, and it was our
Speaker 4: first time going live. That was a bit of an experience,
Speaker 4: but we can only get better at that and we're
Speaker 4: hoping to do more of that. And interestingly enough, a
Speaker 4: lot of people who I've connected to on Instagram, and
Speaker 4: I mean I've only got about ninety people on there,
Speaker 4: but it's so amazing how God works. And I just
Speaker 4: reach out and say, hey, I do a program talking
Speaker 4: point here the links if you like, if it's something
Speaker 4: you could be on board with, then please And so
Speaker 4: many people are responding, So many people who I didn't
Speaker 4: think would respond are responding. And I can only say,
Speaker 4: that's God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting you're saying actually that, you know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's just some times we sometimes
Speaker 1: could be in our sort of own church bubble, and
Speaker 1: I think I don't think people are reversed to God, Christianity, spirituality,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe just the way society in the
Speaker 1: world is going that people are kind of looking for
Speaker 1: something more, you know, and you know, recognizing yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: there is something more and something that can interject Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Oh by the way, yes, let's still a
Speaker 1: quick introduction of our third co host, who we've alluded
Speaker 1: to earlier in the show. Butch me on the radio.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying, Petrack for men.
Speaker 2: Out there everywhere. I had to come back on and
Speaker 2: be like, wait.
Speaker 1: A minute, I love it, welcome Pedro.
Speaker 2: Or whatever.
Speaker 15: I was just and by the way, yeah that was
Speaker 15: too much, but anyway, we won't go into that. Yeah
Speaker 15: we had a conversation offline on that one, but no,
Speaker 15: the other put I'm glad celeberties are doing that, but
Speaker 15: it's still an uphill battle in this well, it's not
Speaker 15: an uphill battle because God can make anything positive or
Speaker 15: make anything good, but they still trying to keep God
Speaker 15: out of it. Because I remember there was a football
Speaker 15: game just this week and the quarterback said first started
Speaker 15: off by saying all praises of God Almighty up above,
Speaker 15: you know, thinking for his gracious and when they want
Speaker 15: to give him the trope when it was time for
Speaker 15: the trophy, he was the MVP, and that they wouldn't
Speaker 15: let him on the stage, and it came out because
Speaker 15: he had thanked God before his and his other speech,
Speaker 15: so they would have let him up to speak again.
Speaker 15: They let all his teammates go up, but he was
Speaker 15: the only one that was left down on the battle
Speaker 15: because and they it came out there it was because
Speaker 15: he had thank God for you know, for the football
Speaker 15: game and everything. So you know, it's it's still they're
Speaker 15: still trying to push back some a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 15: but I'm glad that but you're right, I'm glad that
Speaker 15: they are now, you know, saying it more and putting
Speaker 15: it out you know, putting it out there.
Speaker 2: And because I mean me going up, me living here.
Speaker 15: Now, I know if I say I'm a Christian or
Speaker 15: I believe in God, the looks I guess sometimes is just.
Speaker 2: Like what's that?
Speaker 15: Not even it's not even about God, or it's just
Speaker 15: like some some of them actually look like they don't
Speaker 15: even know what God.
Speaker 4: Is and that submission, isn't it. That's what we are
Speaker 4: here for to to, you know, lift him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once he's list your point because I was just
Speaker 2: listening to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's listen to a couple of clips from
Speaker 1: from Lisa Marie and season season dialogue.
Speaker 11: Chldren.
Speaker 16: Whatever you share on social media, is it something that
Speaker 16: years later you can look at it and it's still
Speaker 16: not you know, when are respectful? You know, if Mama
Speaker 16: saw it, would she be like.
Speaker 11: Oh, that's my baby, or we should be like take
Speaker 11: it down now, you know, have some form of respect.
Speaker 11: And also you know, it's such a different time with compared.
Speaker 16: To what I grew up on and what my kids
Speaker 16: sing the phone, the tablet is always in their hands.
Speaker 16: And I will say this, and I can't compare this.
Speaker 16: I don't have a girl, but I do have friends
Speaker 16: who have girls. And the images that are projected and
Speaker 16: that young girls see.
Speaker 11: It's disheartening. Yep, it's disheartening.
Speaker 16: There's not enough women being shown respectfully that have conversations
Speaker 16: that young women, young girls need to hear. And I
Speaker 16: also say that with what is the influence when it
Speaker 16: comes to.
Speaker 11: Men with.
Speaker 16: Words being said, the degrading of women, the lifestyles that
Speaker 16: they have. And so I think that when we put
Speaker 16: into our kids the grounding of what we raise them on, respect, love, honor.
Speaker 11: You know, dignity, buldren will be who they are.
Speaker 16: They will beer off a little bit, but I always
Speaker 16: believe that they will come back home, you know, of
Speaker 16: what they know.
Speaker 11: And with children, this is my relationship with my boys,
Speaker 11: and this is my belief. We have conversations. I'm gonna
Speaker 11: be honest with you. You know, even though your mom
Speaker 11: and we are opposite of sex, I see you and
Speaker 11: you can't. You cannot do anything that I don't know
Speaker 11: nothing about. So let's go ahead honest and have these conversations.
Speaker 16: And I think that as parents, when we don't fully
Speaker 16: in embrace them with maybe the conversations that they're willing
Speaker 16: to have, but then they pulled back, you missed that
Speaker 16: opportunity to be one on one with your children. So
Speaker 16: and we have to remember too, we were young kids
Speaker 16: as well. We didn't do everything perfect, you know, And
Speaker 16: so having that those conversations and even telling my boys,
Speaker 16: you know, your mama used to while aloud back.
Speaker 4: In the day, but.
Speaker 11: We're here.
Speaker 17: I understand that you are a teenager because these things.
Speaker 17: I also understand that you're gonna go through some growing pages,
Speaker 17: You're gonna make some mistakes, but I'm here to prevent
Speaker 17: you from making those mistakes and just being honest with
Speaker 17: your kids, honestly and not acting as if you.
Speaker 11: Are an angel, and that all your you know, your
Speaker 11: debth and none of us were perfect.
Speaker 1: Oh that was an interesting clique that one talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: parenting these conversations, any thought something like Petro fan Signa.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 15: Tar and I were just talking about social media coming
Speaker 15: home today and how it's changed the outlook on everything
Speaker 15: our children do, and even like how we like when
Speaker 15: we grew up, we didn't you know when you didn't,
Speaker 15: it's not just what you see is what you hear,
Speaker 15: because it's like now everything could just be put on
Speaker 15: social media, where if something happened, you wouldn't see it
Speaker 15: right away. You would have to go look for it
Speaker 15: in the news or in the newspaper. But now you
Speaker 15: just go on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, you just go anywhere
Speaker 15: and you could just find it like instantaneously.
Speaker 2: It's just it's very quickly.
Speaker 15: And then it's always sometimes the wrong narrative that they
Speaker 15: put out there was like sensentualized things too more than
Speaker 15: what it really is, or they just take the clips
Speaker 15: they want so they can doctor it and then they
Speaker 15: can make it into what they what they want to
Speaker 15: portray instead of what really happened, and it's just putting
Speaker 15: a very distortion on our children and on ourselves. That's
Speaker 15: why I don't look at the news or anything anymore really,
Speaker 15: because it's always something negative. It's never really nothing positive
Speaker 15: that you see on the news. But I remember that conversation.
Speaker 15: I was trying to remember who that was because we've
Speaker 15: had a lot of.
Speaker 2: People this year.
Speaker 15: I can't remember people that I spoke to last month,
Speaker 15: So when he was talking about I was like, who's
Speaker 15: this again? When she started talking, I remember the memory
Speaker 15: did the live Instagram, so that's what made me remember
Speaker 15: who she was.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I wanted to I wanted to share
Speaker 4: that clip because as parents, I think I struggle. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to speak for everybody, but I struggle because
Speaker 4: social media has become so consuming. You know, my son
Speaker 4: can disappear into his room for hours, for hours on
Speaker 4: TikTok or Instagram or snapchat or whatever is that he's doing,
Speaker 4: and it's difficult to pull him away from that because
Speaker 4: this is what all his friends are doing. Fact, when
Speaker 4: I I say something, he says, oh, well my friends
Speaker 4: are on or my friends have just come on and
Speaker 4: we're just going to do something. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: don't they have stuff to do? Don't they have assignments?
Speaker 4: Don't they have chores? And he's like, no, mommy, only
Speaker 4: you get them. Okay, well we may have to change
Speaker 4: of friends then, but it's just it becomes so consuming.
Speaker 4: And that's why I chose that clip because I just
Speaker 4: want to remind our parents. You know, Lisa gives some
Speaker 4: advice there as a parent who's in the game, as
Speaker 4: it were, And just to remind our young people as
Speaker 4: well that what goes on to that phone, that you
Speaker 4: might use, that video, that you might share, that picture,
Speaker 4: it's there, you know, it's once you release that then
Speaker 4: you know, make sure it's something that you can stand
Speaker 4: by in years to come when you've had a change
Speaker 4: of mind or a change of boyfriend or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Make sure that you can stand by what you've shared
Speaker 4: and not be ashamed of it if if circumstances changed,
Speaker 4: because you can't pull back what you expose on that platform,
Speaker 4: nor can you pull back what you're exposed to on
Speaker 4: that platform, as you're saying, Petru. So, yeah, it's really
Speaker 4: difficult to navigate, and it requires patience and persistence to
Speaker 4: be able to pull our children from them. And I
Speaker 4: think as well, we need to provide alternatives. Like my
Speaker 4: son's into sports, and I'm thankful that he is, because
Speaker 4: at least there are moments where he does put down
Speaker 4: the screen, he picks up the ball or whatever, you know.
Speaker 4: So we need to provide other opportunities and other outlets
Speaker 4: for our young people as well, otherwise they're going to
Speaker 4: be stuck on that and I'm afraid for what the
Speaker 4: generation will look like in Instagram. People who can't talk. Fact,
Speaker 4: that's how my son speaks to me. He will send
Speaker 4: me a TikTok message, TikTok videos like crazy. It would
Speaker 4: be will make their sons do chores, And that's the video,
Speaker 4: He'll said to me. And I'll watch it like and
Speaker 4: I'll send back sons who refuse to do true videos.
Speaker 2: You know, however you communicate it is okay, come to
Speaker 2: me and talk.
Speaker 4: No, he will send the video a clip of some
Speaker 4: boy goofing off about doing chores, and that's him saying
Speaker 4: to me how he feels about it. And I remember
Speaker 4: watching on some friend of mine share a video of
Speaker 4: her two kids at the kitchen table and the caption
Speaker 4: was they are actually arguing, that was her caption. And
Speaker 4: there's no conversation going other than they're just tapping away
Speaker 4: at their phones at the dining table. And that was
Speaker 4: the caption of the video. You will not believe that
Speaker 4: my kids are actually having a full blown argument. Here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go a different way with you.
Speaker 15: I'm sorry, Angela, because I think as parents we need
Speaker 15: the one thing that as parents, some parents don't do
Speaker 15: it SA.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean by that is, you know,
Speaker 2: we're the parent the child.
Speaker 15: I know children have a little bit more saying and things,
Speaker 15: but like I tell my children the time, I'm here
Speaker 15: to protect you. So what you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 15: do nothing that's gonna harm you, hurt you, or put
Speaker 15: you in danger. We have and also mainly anything like
Speaker 15: with special social media like mind the the ages. Don't
Speaker 15: let your child be on Facebook or TikTok if they
Speaker 15: on need ten yeah, you know, because the stuff that
Speaker 15: they can get exposed to can really hurt them. You know,
Speaker 15: they may come across somebody, may DM them, and then
Speaker 15: they don't even know what they're dealing with, and next
Speaker 15: thing you know, they're you know, they're in a conversation
Speaker 15: that they don't know how to get out of and
Speaker 15: they don't even tell you, and the next thing, you know,
Speaker 15: they can be you know, it's just so many bad
Speaker 15: things can happen.
Speaker 2: I go through my kids phones. I go through my
Speaker 2: kids phone.
Speaker 15: Like on a regular basis, not like every week, but
Speaker 15: I do go through their phones, like when being the
Speaker 15: go to bed, we may gonna put their phones down
Speaker 15: in the living room and then me and toy.
Speaker 2: We'll go through their phones and see what's on their phone, and.
Speaker 15: Then if you see something that we find a little
Speaker 15: bit sketchy, we'll just talk to We won't even accuse
Speaker 15: them or blame them. We'll just say, hey, I saw
Speaker 15: this on your phone. Was what was your thinking? You know,
Speaker 15: what was you thinking about? What was what was the idea?
Speaker 15: You know, and then we'll we'll talk to them about it.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 15: We don't never like sit there like like don't do this,
Speaker 15: like we don't do that to them because we don't
Speaker 15: want them to think they're doing something wrong, even though
Speaker 15: they kind of are. Just but just have just have
Speaker 15: to open up that dialogue, like you said, open up
Speaker 15: the dialogue and talk to them. Yeah, you know, just
Speaker 15: to show that you know that you that you are
Speaker 15: watching them, that you care for them.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I really appreciated her take from that.
Speaker 4: I think there's a different clip. But but Angie, we're
Speaker 4: pressed for time. We can certainly move on. I'll let
Speaker 4: you we can play.
Speaker 1: So I think she really, I mean I really did
Speaker 1: what she had to say. So we'll play this next
Speaker 1: one and then we'll move on.
Speaker 4: So heavy on oh oh oh my goodness, just so deep,
Speaker 4: so rich. I mean stuff like that where you are
Speaker 4: just thinking, okay, And for me, it's about you saying, listen,
Speaker 4: heavy on life, heavy on love. Let's go all the
Speaker 4: way in, you know, not not not halfway, not not
Speaker 4: man be pamby. I don't know if anyone knows that term.
Speaker 4: Not wishy washy, none of that kind of stuff. We're
Speaker 4: going all in and we're going one hundred percent for
Speaker 4: the things that are real, the things that matter, the
Speaker 4: things that we love, the things that we care about,
Speaker 4: the things that's good for us, heavy on and listen.
Speaker 4: I listened to that must spell. I don't even know
Speaker 4: how many times I've replayed that and replayed that and
Speaker 4: replayed that.
Speaker 5: Tell me.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you can recall that process, and we're
Speaker 4: gonna we may have to bring a few of the
Speaker 4: commentary in because I'm seeing stuff coming up on our screen,
Speaker 4: and maybe we can touch on summer or all of them.
Speaker 4: But where were you if you can recall when when
Speaker 4: you wrote that one, or what were you going through
Speaker 4: to make you pay that particular piece.
Speaker 16: I think for me, I was at a place of
Speaker 16: personal complacency and goodness.
Speaker 11: Sometimes placency can be bad where we're not, you know,
Speaker 11: moving forward.
Speaker 16: But from that moment of writing that, I felt like
Speaker 16: everything that I personally worked on with my peace, with
Speaker 16: my joy, with the love that I felt for myself
Speaker 16: and through.
Speaker 11: My partner and my children, I'm heavy on all of that.
Speaker 11: I'm heavy on the love of it.
Speaker 16: I'm heavy on my prayers, I'm heavy on God, I'm
Speaker 16: heavy on connecting with people like that. Was that that
Speaker 16: affirmation to say, I am good, I'm at this place
Speaker 16: where I'm heavy on all of these things that are included,
Speaker 16: and I'm happy in my life.
Speaker 11: I am happy.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a powerful piece that she did in
Speaker 1: which we didn't have that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was going to get it to share it as well,
Speaker 4: but I can't find it anymore and it would be
Speaker 4: a little bit sketchy to play from here. I don't
Speaker 4: know if if you can come across as it should.
Speaker 4: But yeah, she just dynamic and she shared her own.
Speaker 4: She shared a piece on the air as well, Somebody Prayed,
Speaker 4: which was just another amazing piece. And most of what
Speaker 4: she does just really resonates with me, and I'm certain
Speaker 4: it resonates with her audience because you can't get six
Speaker 4: hundred thousand followers if you're not connecting. So yeah, she's
Speaker 4: really doing wonderful things. I saw her post a post
Speaker 4: with one of the gentlemen from Fast and Furious. Can't
Speaker 4: remember his name is Tyres, Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Bloody Black and Ball so yeah he's singer, yes
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 4: He sings and it's a caption you know, more to come.
Speaker 4: So it sounds like she's doing really big things with
Speaker 4: really big names, and I wish all the best. And
Speaker 4: she stays connected with me as well, which is which
Speaker 4: is unheard of. So I just yeah, it's it's good, cool, cool, cool,
Speaker 4: and I enjoyed that good.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we're going to go to a clip piece
Speaker 1: of music. This is your choice. Yeah, don't do it
Speaker 1: without me, Bishop Paul S. Morton, and then we'll come
Speaker 1: back with some a next show that we did for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: What you're doing in this seaes, please don't do it
Speaker 7: without to do it without me?
Speaker 18: You gotta tell it for yourself.
Speaker 11: What is.
Speaker 6: You doing in this sea? Either? Please?
Speaker 7: Pase, don't do it without me.
Speaker 1: Don't sue it with how me come.
Speaker 6: On here and said why you twoing him?
Speaker 11: Listen?
Speaker 2: Then please stop.
Speaker 18: You gotta tell him for yourself. You gotta tell them
Speaker 18: for yourself to come on, say and lost your.
Speaker 6: Meaning little in the seas enough please start do it?
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 18: Somebody's a feeling tonight.
Speaker 7: If you mean again like you said, if you.
Speaker 6: Listen, please stop no no no no, oh no mo.
Speaker 4: How prestigious is more.
Speaker 10: In the healing, in the healing.
Speaker 6: I'm not killing in the sea, please come.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 6: If Frony need a lasting, if I need a blood set,
Speaker 6: he's your see let's see see in this scene and talk.
Speaker 6: Don't want you to do it and help me?
Speaker 10: I don't.
Speaker 18: You got a lot of people to take care of.
Speaker 6: If you're less, see if your blessing see can I
Speaker 6: don't let you all please stop?
Speaker 11: No no no no.
Speaker 8: Got to want you to stay lass and.
Speaker 4: Say that mes.
Speaker 18: Let me hear you say.
Speaker 2: Please see the stuff.
Speaker 18: I know you got a lot of people to take
Speaker 18: care of the region. Need I want you to say
Speaker 18: about the music? Now you gotta say, I can mean it.
Speaker 7: If you want to be included, anybody want to be included,
Speaker 7: Lord Jesus.
Speaker 1: Please, whatever we do, don't do it without me as
Speaker 1: Bishop Paul S. Morton and as we are going into
Speaker 1: our new year, definitely don't do don't do life without
Speaker 1: the Lord. While with us, what we're encouraging you if
Speaker 1: you're just joining us. Hopefully you're not just joining us,
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Speaker 11: We are.
Speaker 1: So our first show of the year and we are
Speaker 1: doing a bit of a recap and looking back at
Speaker 1: some of the shows that we did in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: We had some amazing guests on sort of looking through
Speaker 1: our list and actually we probably could have done this
Speaker 1: show two or three times over with all the people
Speaker 1: that we've had on the show, with the stories that
Speaker 1: we've heard. But yeah, so we've talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about our first show that we did, of the series
Speaker 1: that we did of the year with Alison and Wookoo
Speaker 1: breaking down strongholds. Then we've just been looking at seasoned dialogue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had some we've had some good shows, some thinking back,
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Speaker 4: program of twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1: Cool, so lots of different ways to get in contact
Speaker 1: with us. We want to hear from you, so do
Speaker 1: share your thoughts in your comments. One of the things
Speaker 1: that we throughout this year we've heard from. We've had
Speaker 1: lots of really good guests on there, but we've heard
Speaker 1: some really personal stories, you know, various, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: hear a couple of things now, although there was one
Speaker 1: that we didn't actually we haven't put this in, but
Speaker 1: again we've heard some one of one that was really
Speaker 1: touching with We had a lady called Serena on Serena
Speaker 1: Pascal and sharing with us the loss of her son,
Speaker 1: so living with loss of parents story, which is a
Speaker 1: really touching one. Again, she's someone who does a lot
Speaker 1: and has shared her journey of her son who had
Speaker 1: a disability, had quite of rare condition and you know,
Speaker 1: he did quite some amazing things in you know, his
Speaker 1: short lifetime. But she really bravely shared her story with us.
Speaker 1: And we also had Cornerston counseling on as well, you know,
Speaker 1: sharing their insights on how to cope with a tragic
Speaker 1: loss like this. So yeah, throughout this year we have
Speaker 1: shared we've heard from some really personal stories which have
Speaker 1: been incredibly touching and we definitely appreciate all those contributions,
Speaker 1: which brings me on to again, I talk about personal stories,
Speaker 1: a topic that's did in my heart because I'm on
Speaker 1: that journey. We did a show for World Alzheimer's Day. Now,
Speaker 1: if any of you have listened or you know me,
Speaker 1: you may be aware that my mum is living with Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1: And actually I want to shouts out to my mum
Speaker 1: as well, because's actually her birthday to day she has
Speaker 1: entered twenty twenty five. She's reached seventy seven years old.
Speaker 1: And despite yes, and despite her challenges, you know, and
Speaker 1: living with an illness that is just devastating, you know,
Speaker 1: she does really well. I realize that, you know, I
Speaker 1: take it everywhere with her with b you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure and I know that's maybe challenging for her
Speaker 1: as well. But again, I talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: memories and trying to make memories for her because you know,
Speaker 1: sadly those are going but you know, Alzheimer's And there's
Speaker 1: been a lot about dementia as an umbrella term in
Speaker 1: the media. Most recently it seems to be a bit
Speaker 1: of a I think it's always been there, but it
Speaker 1: seems to be more. I don't if you call it
Speaker 1: an epidemic, but it is kind of almost like, you know,
Speaker 1: a top disease illness that seems to be hitting the nation.
Speaker 1: Lots of celebrities have been talking about it. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I speak to have their
Speaker 1: own stories of loved ones that are, you know, living
Speaker 1: with the disease. So we did some We did a show.
Speaker 1: We've done a couple of shows I'm looking at dementia.
Speaker 1: I mean, this year we had on and three guests
Speaker 1: for this show, a doctor who's done some research, another
Speaker 1: guest who has set up a support group, and then
Speaker 1: also I interviewed the manager of a day center that
Speaker 1: my mum goes to, which it has been a real godsend.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that I've been very blessed to have found
Speaker 1: good support and good resources that can support us on
Speaker 1: this journey. So we're going to talk to a couple
Speaker 1: of clips now. So the first one is from Doctrimonia
Speaker 1: Gaspar who is a general practitioner but has a definite
Speaker 1: interest in dementia and dementia especially within the black community,
Speaker 1: and she's done some research around that as well. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a little listen to her viewpoints and
Speaker 1: then a little bit more about her research and then
Speaker 1: speak to the others as well. So let's have a
Speaker 1: quick listen.
Speaker 4: So again, thank you for joining us this evening.
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about yourself and what
Speaker 1: you do and how yeah, and how we've kind of
Speaker 1: connected here today.
Speaker 5: Do you blame everyone? Thank you so much, Angela, it's
Speaker 5: a real honor to be here. Thank you, Xenia, Thank
Speaker 5: you Pedro. My journe with dementia wasn't always very clear cut.
Speaker 5: I'm of Nigerian heritage, so we've got the African and
Speaker 5: we've got the Caribbean well represented. And I used to
Speaker 5: spend a lot of time with my grandmother, and now
Speaker 5: I know she had dementia, But then all I knew
Speaker 5: was that it was old age. And when I moved
Speaker 5: to the UK, I wanted to work with old people
Speaker 5: because of the relationship with my grandmother, and I met
Speaker 5: lots of old people.
Speaker 8: They were just like my grandma.
Speaker 5: And I got to find out that it wasn't old age,
Speaker 5: it was an illness, dementia, and that's when I started
Speaker 5: really getting involved in it. I'm a general practitioner by
Speaker 5: profession my day job, but every minute I have outside that,
Speaker 5: I'm spent advocating and trying to educate and enlighten people
Speaker 5: on dementia, primarily in the Afro Caribbean community, but everywhere
Speaker 5: else as well. I've just completed a degree with the
Speaker 5: University of London, Queen Mary and it's global public health,
Speaker 5: but we have to do issis on something close to
Speaker 5: our hearts. And I looked at dementia, which happens to
Speaker 5: be the twenty first century public health crisis.
Speaker 8: At the moment globally.
Speaker 5: So it's not just in the UK, it's not just
Speaker 5: in the Black African community, it's everywhere. And thank you
Speaker 5: so much for highlighting it. And I'm really honored to
Speaker 5: be here.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's going to be great to kind of
Speaker 1: get the different sides to as you said, is a
Speaker 1: kind of global crisis. So with that in mind, actually, Ammonia,
Speaker 1: could you just kind of it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: background about dimension Alzheimer's for any of our listeners who
Speaker 1: may not necessarily be familiar. I think many of us
Speaker 1: know the words and have heard of the terms, but
Speaker 1: I think there's probably and I guess maybe to kind
Speaker 1: of a bit of misconceptions at times as well. And
Speaker 1: I know dementia is becoming much more of a topic
Speaker 1: that's talked about. We're hearing about, you know, well known
Speaker 1: celebrities and sort of public people in the public eye
Speaker 1: who have you know, disclosed that they have been had
Speaker 1: they've had a diagnosis. But for any of our listeners
Speaker 1: who don't know what this is about, yeah, give us
Speaker 1: a bit of a background. And also, Michelle, if you've
Speaker 1: got any bits to add in, please do as well.
Speaker 5: Definitely, dementia is an umbrella term, so it's like saying
Speaker 5: you have a fever. It could be an ear infection,
Speaker 5: it could be a throat infection, it could be a
Speaker 5: urine infection, it could be meningitis, anything, and that's what
Speaker 5: dementia is. The there's more than two hundred type subtypes
Speaker 5: of dementia, but we hear about the commonest one, which
Speaker 5: is Alzheimer's, and about sixty to eighty percent of the
Speaker 5: population globally have Alzheimer's, but in the black community, the
Speaker 5: more prevalent type of dementia is vascular dementia. And there
Speaker 5: are two completely separate different kinds, So we use dementia
Speaker 5: and Alzheimer's interchangeably. But it's important to actually know what
Speaker 5: the diagnosis that one has or our loved ones have,
Speaker 5: And in my case, my family history was one of
Speaker 5: vascular dementia, which is very closely related to blood pressure, diabetes,
Speaker 5: heart disease, that kind of thing as a different from
Speaker 5: Alzheimer's dementia, where there's lots of proteins that are fighting
Speaker 5: for space in the brain type of thing. Yeah, So
Speaker 5: in a nutshell, that's dementia. It's a medical condition, it's
Speaker 5: an illness. Children can get dementia, adults can get dementia,
Speaker 5: old age can get dementia. It can come from disease,
Speaker 5: it can come from trauma. So people who have head injury,
Speaker 5: either a major impact head injury or repeated bits of
Speaker 5: head injury, rugby players that kind of thing, they can
Speaker 5: all get dementia. So it's a very broad umbrella term
Speaker 5: for lots of different conditions.
Speaker 8: My research was looking at, I.
Speaker 5: Suppose a little bit of a contentious area, and I
Speaker 5: was looking specifically at Black Africans in the UK, because.
Speaker 8: As we all know, there's a big umbrella label.
Speaker 1: Just like dementia.
Speaker 5: We have a big umbrella label of Bain, Bame and
Speaker 5: under bane. You've got the Caribbeans, you've got the Africans,
Speaker 5: you've got the Sri Lankans, you've got the Irish, you've
Speaker 5: got the Japanese, you've got the Chinese, and we're all
Speaker 5: supposed to be one homogenous group. I'm not saying Black
Speaker 5: Africa is one homogenous group, but it kind of narrows
Speaker 5: it down a little bit. I think the cultural aspect
Speaker 5: is so important, you know, like Michelle said, you cannot
Speaker 5: assess somebody out of.
Speaker 8: Their culture because it's not going to make sense to them.
Speaker 5: I know one of my participants, her mother had a
Speaker 5: kind of dementia which is called fronto temporal dementia, and
Speaker 5: that tends to be quite common in the younger age
Speaker 5: group that's less than sixty five. And they were asking
Speaker 5: her questions about who's the Queen of England, and she was,
Speaker 5: what's my business with the Queen of England. You know,
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that she has dementia because she doesn't know.
Speaker 5: We know that a lot of times is the short
Speaker 5: term memory that goes first and the longer term memory
Speaker 5: is there so these people regress, So you know, I
Speaker 5: have to put it in context of the culture. Maybe
Speaker 5: at that stage it would have been useful to ask
Speaker 5: us something related to her culture in the past, and
Speaker 5: you could assess a little bit more strategically that way.
Speaker 5: But I was looking at caregivers of people with dementia
Speaker 5: because they've got triple whammy, quadruple whammy, the black ethnicity,
Speaker 5: their caregivers, and the fact that their black ethnicity, their
Speaker 5: migrants in the ukmination second generation migrants, And I was
Speaker 5: coming at it from the point of intersectionality. And what
Speaker 5: that is is the challenges that they face is not
Speaker 5: because they're black. Well, it's not because they're females, and
Speaker 5: it's not because they're migrants. It's a combination of everything.
Speaker 5: There lots of things chipping away at them and they
Speaker 5: become unwell. They have to look after their loved ones,
Speaker 5: and it just dementia care givers. We know our second patients.
Speaker 5: Everybody who has dementia, you've got another patient who's looking
Speaker 5: after them. And if one in two people are going
Speaker 5: to get this disease or be a care of by
Speaker 5: twenty fifty, then it kind of works out that the
Speaker 5: entire population is going to be in trouble one way
Speaker 5: or the other. And what did I find that, Yes,
Speaker 5: we need to look at individuals in the context of
Speaker 5: their culture, in the context of their background, which is
Speaker 5: a very, very big ask for the government, but at
Speaker 5: least we know and then we can start chipping at
Speaker 5: it bit by bits in different ways like this forum
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: So there we heard from doctor Ammonia Gasper as a
Speaker 1: general practitioner and has done some research into dementias, especially
Speaker 1: with the afric Caribbean community. We also spoke to Michelle
Speaker 1: Guthrie who set up the nia coma Support Center support group,
Speaker 1: i should say, and spoke to Karen Jackson who runs
Speaker 1: the Frogmore Wellbeing center that my mum goes to. So
Speaker 1: again it's a personal story and I've really appreciated the
Speaker 1: conversation learnt a lot. You know, every day is a
Speaker 1: different day. Any kind of advice and support you can
Speaker 1: get has always been definitely useful. And again we will
Speaker 1: probably cover more about dementia because as she used as
Speaker 1: Ammonia has said, you know, it seems to be a
Speaker 1: global crisis that we're going through and with dementias, So again,
Speaker 1: definitely and where to listen if you can listen back
Speaker 1: to that on spreading her another personal story that we
Speaker 1: heard from and again there's different and one of the
Speaker 1: things that we do on Talking Point is highlight different
Speaker 1: awareness days and breast cancer is I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: when the date is actually, but that's definitely.
Speaker 4: Something around there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm gonna have have to send you up
Speaker 1: because this is one of if we do a look,
Speaker 1: we source our own guests, and we're always you know,
Speaker 1: different people where it's our friends or people that we
Speaker 1: meet from day to day. But this was a contact
Speaker 1: that you had and a friend of yours who kindly
Speaker 1: and bravely shared her story as well. Any thoughts on
Speaker 1: that's in you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you first of all to love Vetter for
Speaker 4: sharing her story, as you said, quite bravely and very
Speaker 4: very last minute and a very last minute request, like
Speaker 4: five minutes before. So bless her. When she listened back,
Speaker 4: she was like, oh that I talked to slower, I'm like, listen,
Speaker 4: I'm going to let the listeners know that you were
Speaker 4: not prepared it anyway, And that was so brave because
Speaker 4: even I I mean, if I haven't got four months notice,
Speaker 4: I'm not really prepared and comfortable. So it was really
Speaker 4: really brave of her. And I'm thankful because I'm sure
Speaker 4: she shared nuggets within there that people were able to
Speaker 4: glean from. And also to thank Nicole Nicole Chen, who
Speaker 4: is a breast cancer advocate champion as she works with
Speaker 4: women across the globe to help them better prepare and
Speaker 4: their families and their communities for the journey that is
Speaker 4: breast cancer and really powerful, powerful woman. You can tell
Speaker 4: from when she speaks the moment she speaks that she's
Speaker 4: you know, very aware, very informed, and very passionate about
Speaker 4: what she does. So yeah, let's listen to I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what I even coelected at this point now, but
Speaker 4: let's listen to what she had to say, or Lovetta
Speaker 4: had to say. Any surprise is anything that you thought
Speaker 4: you'd notice but it didn't happen as you thought it would.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, when we talked cancer, we talked,
Speaker 4: you know, hear loss, so we talk about being weak.
Speaker 3: And and warn and not being able to eat.
Speaker 4: And all that kind of stuff. Did you see that
Speaker 4: did you not? Did that surprise you?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 4: What's what?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 4: What are some of the things that you didn't expect
Speaker 4: to see that you saw, or vice versa.
Speaker 8: What I didn't expect. Let me do it.
Speaker 4: Can I just say before you continue, love that I
Speaker 4: just want to let our listeners know that you very
Speaker 4: much accepted the invitation last minute to come on here,
Speaker 4: and I thought, that's so great. Thank you, very very
Speaker 4: very much. I know we we didn't have any pre conversations.
Speaker 4: You didn't have any free you know, any warning or
Speaker 4: anything like that. So you come on and I've just decided,
Speaker 4: you know what, you're willing to talk about this and
Speaker 4: hopefully encourage someone. So I want to make sure that
Speaker 4: the listeners understand where you come from here. And I
Speaker 4: want to thank you again for willing.
Speaker 8: Your phone call. I thought it was like a catch
Speaker 8: up phone call, but it was an invitation phone call.
Speaker 4: It was an invitation about five minutes ago. But yes, anyway,
Speaker 4: tell me what what surprised you about.
Speaker 8: I did get hair loss. Actually I went down to
Speaker 8: what my brother called baby Ostrich here and yes, he
Speaker 8: actually he actually helped me. I tried to keep it
Speaker 8: as long as possible, but one day I was brushing it,
Speaker 8: not even roughly, just gently, and it was coming out
Speaker 8: in clubs. So I was like, Okay, it's time to go.
Speaker 8: But yeah, my she's not. She was oncologist. She was
Speaker 8: the break count of specialist.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 8: She was very much when I went into my concert,
Speaker 8: she will say, you know you will you lose your
Speaker 8: hair if you do get chemo. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 8: that's fine. And she she was I think she was
Speaker 8: surprised at the the level of the commences which I accepted.
Speaker 8: Here lost And I was like, because I told her, no,
Speaker 8: I look, I look great in wigs. I have a
Speaker 8: whole week collection. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 4: So that was that.
Speaker 8: But the I think one of the unexpected things was
Speaker 8: I got insomnia so I could go. It was like
Speaker 8: the whole days will I sleep maybe one or two hours?
Speaker 4: So I don't really hear that, No, you.
Speaker 8: Hear more, yeah, the but yeah I got but sometimes
Speaker 8: the it'll be fire my mama, who will go to
Speaker 8: sleep run about nine, But I'll be up until it's
Speaker 8: light again the next morning. So until the next morning
Speaker 8: and maybe then sleep with an hour and then get
Speaker 8: up again. Were you worried?
Speaker 11: Was that?
Speaker 2: Was that what it was?
Speaker 12: It's your.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's what it was?
Speaker 8: So I did?
Speaker 12: I did I did, you know, I did.
Speaker 8: Talk to my ecologists about that. Who who is a
Speaker 8: very nice man. He was doctor MacLeod.
Speaker 1: He was so good.
Speaker 8: He's very supportive as well. And one of the first
Speaker 8: things he asked when we came in me and my
Speaker 8: mom was do we believe in God? So my mom
Speaker 8: was like, no, this is the doctor to half. Yes,
Speaker 8: you want to have but yeah, and so he said,
Speaker 8: as long as you're you know, you don't feel any
Speaker 8: excessive tiredness after that, or and you're not you yourself
Speaker 8: are not worried about that, and you're getting at least
Speaker 8: some sleep. It's you said, it's it's a bit normal
Speaker 8: because so he said some yes, some people do have it.
Speaker 8: Now I'm back, I will sleep at nine. My body
Speaker 8: is like nope. Now nine o'clock comes, I'm like, time
Speaker 8: to go to bed.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll make sure that you're you're ready for bed soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And and I think that's was the only thing
Speaker 8: was yeah, insomnia. And it wasn't a lack of appetite.
Speaker 8: But I would eat and get tired or let me
Speaker 8: halfway through a meal and my body is like, you
Speaker 8: have to rest.
Speaker 4: H Yeah, I've heard of that. As well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, h yeah, that was surprising to me. I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: I'm not going to take two or fifty in forms
Speaker 8: of something and then look, sorry, I have to wait
Speaker 8: a bit or have a map before I have to
Speaker 8: eat again. So yeah, that was that was the only
Speaker 8: thing that was unexpected.
Speaker 4: I would say, what advice would you give would you
Speaker 4: give someone who is going through what you've been through
Speaker 4: and what you are going through the journey of breast cancer.
Speaker 8: The only advice I would say is, especially if you're
Speaker 8: a person who has strong faith heat that mhm, heat
Speaker 8: that even when you have family around, sometimes you know,
Speaker 8: they can be overwhelming and they don't mean to be,
Speaker 8: but sometimes you just want to go off into a
Speaker 8: room or have some time to yourself, you know, some
Speaker 8: quiet time. And faith is a big part of that.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 8: What I have done, what I've started to do since
Speaker 8: years ago, was talk to God just as if he
Speaker 8: was right there in the room sitting next to me,
Speaker 8: m and you know, just you know, tell him about
Speaker 8: my day or even if you're complain Yeah, just talk
Speaker 8: as if you know you have your best friend there,
Speaker 8: how you would talk to your best friend and over
Speaker 8: the phone, an in person That's how I started to
Speaker 8: talk to God and I found that helped me so much.
Speaker 8: Another thing is accept accept help.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You may think, you know, you don't want to inconvenience anybody,
Speaker 8: or you know you're a bit shy about it, but
Speaker 8: your friends and your family are there to support you
Speaker 8: and to help you out in whatever way they can,
Speaker 8: and one of those is to help you to accept it.
Speaker 8: You know you can, you can tell them now, of
Speaker 8: course you know, or you know it's too much. But
Speaker 8: once the help is offered or even given, accept it.
Speaker 8: Another thing is laugh as often as you can. Like
Speaker 8: Nicole said, laugh even if you have to find a
Speaker 8: funny video on YouTube or wherever.
Speaker 4: To start it.
Speaker 8: You just laugh. This is one of the big things
Speaker 8: me and my family do. We find a funny video,
Speaker 8: we share it, We laugh, We laugh as much as possible,
Speaker 8: and that has, you know, you relieve stress or relieves
Speaker 8: some of the pent up anxiety you may have, and
Speaker 8: it helps you, you know, for your day to day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, love it, And never said do you have
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 1: I love what you're saying in terms of speaking to
Speaker 1: God as if he's sitting right next to you. And
Speaker 1: I know I mentioned before that, there are many, you know,
Speaker 1: texts in God's where that are there for encouragement. Do
Speaker 1: you have a particular favorite Bible text or do you
Speaker 1: have a song or anything that you kind of have
Speaker 1: found that you kind of go to.
Speaker 8: Is your go to form of support or anything.
Speaker 10: I have?
Speaker 8: I have leny, but one of my one of the
Speaker 8: ones is trust in the Lord with all your heart
Speaker 8: and lean on your own understanding and then all your
Speaker 8: ways and he will direct your path.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was Levetta sharing her story and her
Speaker 1: experience of deal with breast cancer, and as Zedi has said,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a sort of the last but
Speaker 1: requests as it were, for us to come on and
Speaker 1: share her experience, which we are ever so grateful and
Speaker 1: similarly with all our guests that we've had on who've
Speaker 1: shared really personal stories and their experience, it's been you know,
Speaker 1: really touching, really grateful to hear. And again, if you
Speaker 1: would like to come on and talk about your experience,
Speaker 1: Like I said, we do highlight lots of awareness days.
Speaker 1: There are days for most things, but we definitely want
Speaker 1: to talk about you know, specific illnesses, diseases, conditions and
Speaker 1: experiences that people are going through because somewhere the advice
Speaker 1: and information that we're hearing can maybe help somebody who
Speaker 1: is listening. So sonya any other a couple more that
Speaker 1: we were going to be run as sadly running out time,
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about a couple of folk. Yeah. No, again,
Speaker 1: every show that we do is a part there's going
Speaker 1: to be a part two, part three. But another guest
Speaker 1: that we had on something that again that you had
Speaker 1: met on them. Did you make them through social media?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I met him an event, but yes,
Speaker 4: we were going to share a bit of his his
Speaker 4: program for his conversation with us, another really good program.
Speaker 4: He is one of my countrymen, and sadly, you know,
Speaker 4: the prophet has no honor, but the point is, and
Speaker 4: the fact is he is a really dynamic speaker and
Speaker 4: really gave good insight to you know, his journey and
Speaker 4: also what he proposes as a means to success too,
Speaker 4: and obviously the Bible God is at the foundation of that.
Speaker 4: So it was really really good to talk to him.
Speaker 4: I know he has a lot of plans for twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five, some of us may or may some of
Speaker 4: them may or may not involve us because we are
Speaker 4: thinking of maybe doing a bit more programming on the road.
Speaker 4: I know we've spoken many many times about our workshop
Speaker 4: type setting where we can get our listeners in the
Speaker 4: building and hear from them directly, and he wants to
Speaker 4: do something similar. So God is doing something and we'll
Speaker 4: just make sure that we are ready and available when
Speaker 4: he's ready to move. And I don't even want to
Speaker 4: start sort of calling names and recounting shows because then
Speaker 4: I'm going to get in trouble. But I definitely have
Speaker 4: to say thank you to Mark Semple and the entire
Speaker 4: Cornerstone Tempe, who's the leader of normally orchestraate the programming,
Speaker 4: and who who comes on for me and with me.
Speaker 4: I need to shout out both of them and to
Speaker 4: say thank you for their continued partnership with a talking
Speaker 4: point and Petro, I think this is a good point
Speaker 4: for you to jump in and talk a little bit
Speaker 4: about that one show that we purposely have not recapped
Speaker 4: because we want to do a whole series around it
Speaker 4: in the new year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the men's program that we just did about a
Speaker 2: month ago.
Speaker 15: We had the different we had I forgot the doctor's name,
Speaker 15: oh my goodness, but we had the doctor talk about
Speaker 15: health that we had. We talked about mental health, we
Speaker 15: talked about physical health, spiritual health, and we're going to
Speaker 15: do a part two because we got into real good
Speaker 15: discussion and as we found out, it can as you say,
Speaker 15: we always say, we can't get it all at one show.
Speaker 2: So in the new year, we will be Yeah, this year.
Speaker 15: We will be setting up we'll be doing a short
Speaker 15: series or programs on men's.
Speaker 2: On the men and just focusing again on.
Speaker 15: Mental health, spirituality, physicality from a biblical standpoint and from
Speaker 15: a physical standpoint, and just from just health wise and
Speaker 15: just how men can better navigate the world as we
Speaker 15: see as the world is today.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the definitely was also we want to we
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 1: Sorry, there's a little bit of controversy where we were
Speaker 1: talking about relationships as well, so oh.
Speaker 15: Yeah, right downside, I forgot all about that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 15: so bad, since I do want on marriage, but yeah,
Speaker 15: on relationships, I forgot all about that one.
Speaker 2: Sorry. That's that's also the.
Speaker 15: Main part too, because that's well, I guess in my mind,
Speaker 15: the relationship is a part of the mental aspect of
Speaker 15: the male, because you know, if you're mentally healthy, then
Speaker 15: your relationship is going to be healthy. So that's probably
Speaker 15: what I was thinking in my head. So that's why
Speaker 15: I didn't think of it as relationship. But yes, also
Speaker 15: in relationships single and married and divorced, we're going to
Speaker 15: do like the whole aspect to the whole, encompass the whole,
Speaker 15: you know, being of everything of being a male in
Speaker 15: today's world.
Speaker 4: I think we want to hopefully the gentlemen who were
Speaker 4: on for that show, and it turned out to be
Speaker 4: a very first a controversial show or it certainly sparked
Speaker 4: a lot of conversation and we were really really enjoying
Speaker 4: that and to the point that we've decided we're going
Speaker 4: to do an entire series, as pet just said, so February,
Speaker 4: God's willing. I've already asked Mark Semple. I know, Angie,
Speaker 4: you've already spoken to the guys about coming back. We
Speaker 4: want to do a full series in February about relationships,
Speaker 4: and I'm looking forward to doing that entire month of
Speaker 4: February around that conversation and building it out in whichever
Speaker 4: way the Lord leads. So yeah, stay tuned for that,
Speaker 4: and maybe we can have slighter in that conversation, and
Speaker 4: therefore we would get a bit more commentary coming in
Speaker 4: as well, so yeah, something to look forward to. We're
Speaker 4: also looking to do a Bible based program or series
Speaker 4: that's also in the works. I've also spoken to the
Speaker 4: head of HR for Amazon Web Services. That was a
Speaker 4: really dynamic conversation that we want to bake into a
Speaker 4: more broader series with some other HR professionals. So for
Speaker 4: those of you who have HR questions or our HR leaders,
Speaker 4: then reach out and we can definitely continue the conversation
Speaker 4: with you. So yeah, that's some of the things that
Speaker 4: I know we're thinking of. Angie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again looking at some people, you know, from the
Speaker 1: creative art side of things as well, because ultimately what
Speaker 1: we're you know, one of the things that we really
Speaker 1: want to highlight is the ministry work that people do,
Speaker 1: the way in which they can evangelize, the way they
Speaker 1: can spread the gospel, and there's so many different ways
Speaker 1: of doing that, and we've spoken to some people throughout
Speaker 1: this year, this year, last year, and we want to
Speaker 1: do that again. You know, there are so many creative
Speaker 1: ways to spread God's word and to bring people closer
Speaker 1: to God. So we'll be speaking to several people who
Speaker 1: utilize their skills and talents to do just that. And
Speaker 1: again there'll also be time where we'll just be talking
Speaker 1: about ourselves, sharing our favorite music and some of our
Speaker 1: own kind of thoughts and experiences as well. We're on
Speaker 1: this journey together. So yeah, we're looking forward to bringing
Speaker 1: you another year of Talking Point and hopefully hearing from
Speaker 1: you guys as well. And as on you did allude to,
Speaker 1: hopefully we may do a few more talking parts talking
Speaker 1: Points on the road code. So if you're interested in
Speaker 1: us coming to your church to do a program, whether
Speaker 1: it's a live show possibly or to record for a
Speaker 1: future broadcast, then do get in contact with us. We'd
Speaker 1: love to come and visit, and yeah, and sharing your
Speaker 1: time as well. And as I said that, our time
Speaker 1: has fast gone first, yes disappeared. I've looked around at
Speaker 1: the clock and I'm like, oh, it is that time already.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you all for joining us for
Speaker 1: talking Points and I very sort of whistle stop tour
Speaker 1: of the last of twenty twenty four. There were so
Speaker 1: many really good shows that we could have findited go ahead, ZNYA.
Speaker 4: Sorry I didn't want I didn't want you to close
Speaker 4: out without sharing that we did have a few responses. Yes,
Speaker 4: I don't thank you for that two six nine seven
Speaker 4: nine four. To keep the responses coming, and we'll share
Speaker 4: that on the next program. But chicily pedro slip and
Speaker 4: said he wants more marriage and men's programs. I said,
Speaker 4: it's spread, droom. This is not the point of anonymous context,
Speaker 4: but blessing.
Speaker 2: I should put it in the wongs.
Speaker 15: But I was saying, I enjoyed the marriage and men's,
Speaker 15: all right, and then if you know, it's the last
Speaker 15: part I put.
Speaker 2: I especially enjoyed the one we did with the.
Speaker 15: Lady who had the son with the health problems, and
Speaker 15: I thought that was a really powerful one.
Speaker 2: You read the whole I was coming there.
Speaker 4: I was coming there. That was the one on grief
Speaker 4: that we unfortunately didn't capture. But we're looking forward to
Speaker 4: bringing her back on I think she's written a few
Speaker 4: pages in a book or a book, or chapters in
Speaker 4: a book, and we're looking to talk to her further.
Speaker 4: Another person was jumped in and said, more joyful and
Speaker 4: upbeat programming. And I get that because sometimes talking point
Speaker 4: can be heavy, or most times it can be a
Speaker 4: heavy discussion, a heavy conversation, and we acknowledge that because
Speaker 4: we deal with heavy topics, heavy issues, but it's always
Speaker 4: good to interject some humor, some fun, some laughter, some songs,
Speaker 4: and that's why we often do or we sometimes do
Speaker 4: programs which are just laid back music what we enjoy
Speaker 4: in and I think Angela you've mentioned that as well.
Speaker 4: What we might use slider to do as well is
Speaker 4: to allow you to feed questions that you just want
Speaker 4: to tackle. We've always been talking about an anonymous, an
Speaker 4: agony ant aspect of the show where people can just
Speaker 4: throw in their dilemmas and we can unpack them. So
Speaker 4: maybe that's an option where we can use Slider Fielder
Speaker 4: to share what you might be dealing with, and we'll
Speaker 4: maybe structure a program or a segment of each program
Speaker 4: around that. So that's just a few of the things.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be quiet now over to you again.
Speaker 1: Sorry, fine, you know it's been our time has been
Speaker 1: well spent, I believes, so I want to thank you
Speaker 1: for sticking with us throughout twenty twenty four, and I
Speaker 1: hope you'll continue to listen in on twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: As we said, we want to hear from you if
Speaker 1: you want to be part of the show always welcome
Speaker 1: to looking for guests, and that's often been a few
Speaker 1: times where we've opened up our zoom calls. So if
Speaker 1: you want to join in the conversation directly, you can
Speaker 1: as well. So there's lots of different different options on
Speaker 1: how you can get in, get involved, and get in
Speaker 1: contact with us. So I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: being with us this evening. I'm going to do my
Speaker 1: usual guess what I'm going to ask you to do.
Speaker 15: I know that's why last Sunday I saw you if
Speaker 15: we had the meeting, and they was like, you pray.
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that I'm adverse praying or anything like that, but.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yes, so yeah, mys do that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, let's be us right and coughing.
Speaker 2: Heaveny five.
Speaker 15: We want to thank you for bringing us to another
Speaker 15: talking point session with Thank you Lord for allowing us
Speaker 15: to go back and reversit the past twenty twenty four
Speaker 15: of all the wonderful guests and ideas that we had
Speaker 15: during that time and discussions as we go forward to
Speaker 15: twenty twenty five reacts Lord that you are guiders, leaders,
Speaker 15: and directors in the path that you want us to
Speaker 15: go to give the programs and tackle the issues that
Speaker 15: need to be tackled at that time, that we may
Speaker 15: be able to encourage ourselves and encourage the folks listening
Speaker 15: in radio land, so that we can all be blessed
Speaker 15: and learn something more about your love and your blessing
Speaker 15: and how to be better Christians.
Speaker 2: For you the beer.
Speaker 15: First, about the rest of this week as we start
Speaker 15: the new week and to the new year, and continue
Speaker 15: to bless us each and every day for the Uperni
Speaker 15: your holy name.
Speaker 4: Amen, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 1: So that's been talking point. Thank you for listening. Join
Speaker 1: us again next week. Enjoy the rest of your weekend
Speaker 1: and the rest of your week, and I pray that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five will be a blessed one for you all.
Speaker 1: Any other final thoughts for you guys, just saying goodbye, have.
Speaker 4: A good week.
Speaker 2: Okay, say goodbye, have a good week. Cool bash me
Speaker 2: on the radio.
Speaker 8: What you mean.
Speaker 1: And with that, I'm gonna We're gonna end with Kurt.
Speaker 2: Franklin abandoned you or something today, I.
Speaker 1: Mean abandoned left us. I mean, you know it's going
Speaker 1: to be a brand to day. Kurt Franklin, have a
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