Speaker 1: Up everyone and welcome back to the program. We learned
a lot from that Affid David, and one of the
things that we learned was Brian Koberger returned to the
scene of the crime at nine am roughly the next morning.
So the question is what was he doing returning to
the scene of the crime. I've heard some people speculate
that he was returning to try and get that sheath
for the knife, and while that's possible, I don't see
it to be that likely that he was headed back
there to get the sheath for that knife. Instead, I
think he was going back there to admire his work
or to see why there wasn't anything going on yet
as far as police activity. And you would think that
after you murder four people that there would be a
big crime scene. But when he gets back to Moscow,
he doesn't see that. So I'm guessing that probably threw
him off a little bit. That probably wasn't part of
the plan. Figured that he had to get out of
there quickly. If we're going by the surveillance footage and
him speeding away, he was probably under the impression that
the cops were going to be called very soon. So
when he comes back the next day. It was a
bit of a shock, I'm guessing, to him to see
that there wasn't a crime scene, nothing had been processed yet.
So I don't think he was there to get the sheath.
I think he was going back to admire his work.
We know that a lot of people, serial killers especially,
do that kind of thing. And I'm not saying that
Brian Kohberger is a serial killer, but he's certainly one
of these people that memorializes them or looks up to them,
if you will, considering the kind of murder that he
just committed. So him going back to the scene, him
following along with the crimes, him showing up to the vigil,
all of this is the kind of thing I would
expect from a sick and deranged maniac like this dude.
Today we have an article from Newsweek and the headline
Brian Koeberger drove by to see the fruits of his actions,
according to an ex FBI agent. This article was authored
by Gerard keunga reasons why alleged murderer Brian Koeberger may
have returned to the eleven twenty two King Rode home
where stabbings of Xana kernodle Ethan Chapin, Kaye Gonsalves, and
Madison Mogan were all stabbed to death, were suggested by
retired FBI agent Bobby Chacone during a Sunday appearance on
News Nation. The probable cause AFFID David released last week
shed new information on the investigation. Cell Phone records indicate
that Coburger was in the area near eleven twenty two
King Road after the murders took place, and not just after,
but before as well. Remember he was there over twelve
times according to the digital footprint that has been created
by the authorities as they investigate who Brian Coberger is
and what he was up to prior to these murders.
So when you add that all up together and you
see the big picture that it puts in front of you, well,
you see why the investigators were all over Brian Coberger.
All of these little nuggets of evidence that seem circumstantial
in nature, will they all add up and they turn
into the big picture After all this said and done,
and when you look at what they've collected here, and
I'm just talking about the circumstantial nature of what we know,
it all looks real bad for Brian Cohberger, and I've
racked my brain trying to figure out ways to play
devil's advocate and say, oh, no, it's not him, But
it's very difficult considering everything that we've seen so far. Now,
I'm always open to new evidence, and if him and
his legal team provide new evidence, obviously I'm gonna take
a look at it and we're gonna report on it.
But so far, it's not looking good for Brian Cohberger,
and the evidence that we have seen certainly links him
not only to the area, but to the area on
the day of the crime. So it's gonna be real
difficult for his legal team to convince a jury that
he wasn't there for devious purposes. Reporter Brian Enton asked
whether Coburger might have returned to the victim's home in
hopes of recovering a knife sheath left at the scene
by the killer. And this is what I said in
the opening. There was a lot of people who were
talking about this and suggesting that it might have been
the reason why Brian Koberger went back to the house.
And while I don't think that's the reason, I guess
it's possible. You just Look, here's the thing. We don't know, right.
We have no idea what motivated these murders. We have
no idea what motivated the alleged suspect here, Brian Coburger,
And we certainly don't know what was going through his
mind while all of this was going down. But for me,
it seems more likely that he was there to admire
his work, to go there and see the Carnegie created,
and to bask in it. If you will remember these
people who to do this, it's all part of it.
The majority of times, when you have a killing like this,
the killer ritualized the process. Chacone noted that while it
was a possibility, he highlighted that some criminals often returned
to the crime scene to indulge in the fruits of
their actions, and then said, one of the creepiest things
about this for me, when I read over the Affidavid,
was that he is accused of coming back to the house,
and that is creepy as hell. Imagine having that kind
of brazen attitude. You go and murder four people in
their home while they're sleeping or about to go to sleep,
and then you have the audacity to come back and
take a look at things. Especially considering as a criminal
justice student or a criminologist, you know that usually there's
going to be a big ass crime scene with a
heavy police presence. Now imagine if he would have come
back and the police had been there already and he
was driving that white Honda Alantra, do you think they
would have caught him a little sooner? Maybe that Alantra
might have been caught on some body cam footage or
something like that as they were investigating, and he might
have been caught even sooner. But since the bodies hadn't
been found yet when he showed up, there was no
crime scene, there was no police presence. That is what
the cell phone records indicate around nine point fifteen in
the morning after the murders. Is it possible do you
think he may have been going back to actually go
back inside. Do you think he realized he left the
knife sheet there? Shakhone replied, it could be, but I
don't think so. I think this is sometimes classic criminal
behavior where they revisit the scene of the crime. I
think he might have gone back there to see if
there was an ambulance or police cars. He probably expected
the police to be there already and I think the
fact that the police weren't there and that an ongoing
investigation wasn't underway really through Brian koberger Off. I think
it was his plan the whole entire time to go
back to this crime scene and admire what he had done.
Sometimes it is a thrill. We have seen people stand
behind police lines at fires, Arsonists do this a lot.
I think he was driving by to see basically the
fruits of his actions. There should have been by that
time a lot of police and ambulance activity. Yeah, you
would think a quadruple homicide, he would have the whole
entire neighborhood shut down. And that's probably what he was
looking for, and when it didn't happen, it threw him off.
I think that might be. It is impossible to tell.
This is all speculation on my part, but I think
it's quite possible that he was going back there to
expect to see a lot of police activity. Yeah, that's
the likeliest outcome, Right, he thought he was going to
go back there and see this whole entire crime scene
considering what he had just done. And if you're Brian
Colberger's defense attorney, how do you explain this? How do
you explain, and being there at nine am right after
the murders can't say that there was a police report
already because no police were there. And for me, that's
the most damning part for Coburger here is the totality
of all of this evidence added up. The former FBI
agent also addressed some concerns that have arisen from the
information in the affid David, one of the roommates of
the victims, allegedly saw the killer on the night of
the murder, and then asked whether it was likely the
killers saw the roommate and what reason they could have
had for sparing her life. Chacone answered, I think he
did see her. But looking at the affid David, with
the phone records and where he was, I think he
had a certain plan. There was a plan in place
that he had for this house. So he was executing
a plan as he thought it was going to go
in his mind. All of the times that people do this,
things go wrong. He might have only planned on two
victims and it turned out to be four, and I
think that's what happened. Look just my speculation, right, I
have no idea what really went down in this house,
any more than anybody else does. But we know that
Xana was awake with the door dash. Did Xana stumble
upon it see him? And he felt that he had
to do what he did. And by the time he
was done killing Xana and Ethan, perhaps he didn't have
the energy anymore to go and try and commit some
more murders, or maybe he thought the roommate had already
called the police. So there's just a lot there to unpack,
and unless we have all of the context, it's very difficult.
I think that the rage that he had that was
building in the days and weeks leading up to the murders,
I think it all came out. And the opposite side
of that rage is an adrenaline crash, and I think
that's absolutely correct. I think that when you have that
kind of adrenaline built up, right for those of you
out there who have been driven by adrenaline before, you
know that after that adrenaline, you know wears af there's
a big dump, and when that dump comes, forget it.
You have no energy left whatsoever. I think after the
fourth victim, it is entirely possible he crashed. He was
simply so exhausted, and then you get sort of tunnel vision. Now,
I'd never had tunnel vision before, but I've had an
adrenaline dump. I've had to push extra hard in the
mountains to get to the top, and by the time
I get to the top, I realized that I might
have pushed a bit too far. And sometimes you don't
even realize it's happening, But in a situation like this,
for sure, the adrenaline's going. He's all kinds of gassed
up and fired up, and then when that adrenaline dump happens,
it could easily push him to want to get out
of there super quick. Now he's tired, he doesn't want
nobody fighting back, So I got to get out of here,
And that certainly can explain why these roommates were left unharmed.
He was looking to get out of that house as
quickly as he could, and the other two people down
stairs were not part of his plan, so he walked
right fire to get out of the house. I think
it was entirely possible that he was simply too exhausted
and it wasn't part of the plan he had envisioned.
So for me, what mister Dracone says here tracks well,
I don't think he went back to retrieve a knife sheath.
I don't think he went back there for any other
reason than to say she eate his own sick desires
to see the carnage he created and the lives that
he destroyed. All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for
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