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Speaker 1: Up everyone and welcome back to the program. We learned

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a lot from that Affid David, and one of the

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things that we learned was Brian Koberger returned to the

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scene of the crime at nine am roughly the next morning.

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So the question is what was he doing returning to

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the scene of the crime. I've heard some people speculate

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that he was returning to try and get that sheath

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for the knife, and while that's possible, I don't see

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it to be that likely that he was headed back

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there to get the sheath for that knife. Instead, I

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think he was going back there to admire his work

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or to see why there wasn't anything going on yet

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as far as police activity. And you would think that

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after you murder four people that there would be a

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big crime scene. But when he gets back to Moscow,

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he doesn't see that. So I'm guessing that probably threw

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him off a little bit. That probably wasn't part of

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the plan. Figured that he had to get out of

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there quickly. If we're going by the surveillance footage and

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him speeding away, he was probably under the impression that

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the cops were going to be called very soon. So

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when he comes back the next day. It was a

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bit of a shock, I'm guessing, to him to see

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that there wasn't a crime scene, nothing had been processed yet.

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So I don't think he was there to get the sheath.

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I think he was going back to admire his work.

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We know that a lot of people, serial killers especially,

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do that kind of thing. And I'm not saying that

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Brian Kohberger is a serial killer, but he's certainly one

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of these people that memorializes them or looks up to them,

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if you will, considering the kind of murder that he

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just committed. So him going back to the scene, him

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following along with the crimes, him showing up to the vigil,

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all of this is the kind of thing I would

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expect from a sick and deranged maniac like this dude.

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Today we have an article from Newsweek and the headline

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Brian Koeberger drove by to see the fruits of his actions,

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according to an ex FBI agent. This article was authored

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by Gerard keunga reasons why alleged murderer Brian Koeberger may

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have returned to the eleven twenty two King Rode home

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where stabbings of Xana kernodle Ethan Chapin, Kaye Gonsalves, and

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Madison Mogan were all stabbed to death, were suggested by

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retired FBI agent Bobby Chacone during a Sunday appearance on

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News Nation. The probable cause AFFID David released last week

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shed new information on the investigation. Cell Phone records indicate

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that Coburger was in the area near eleven twenty two

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King Road after the murders took place, and not just after,

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but before as well. Remember he was there over twelve

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times according to the digital footprint that has been created

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by the authorities as they investigate who Brian Coberger is

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and what he was up to prior to these murders.

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So when you add that all up together and you

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see the big picture that it puts in front of you, well,

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you see why the investigators were all over Brian Coberger.

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All of these little nuggets of evidence that seem circumstantial

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in nature, will they all add up and they turn

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into the big picture After all this said and done,

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and when you look at what they've collected here, and

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I'm just talking about the circumstantial nature of what we know,

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it all looks real bad for Brian Cohberger, and I've

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racked my brain trying to figure out ways to play

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devil's advocate and say, oh, no, it's not him, But

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it's very difficult considering everything that we've seen so far. Now,

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I'm always open to new evidence, and if him and

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his legal team provide new evidence, obviously I'm gonna take

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a look at it and we're gonna report on it.

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But so far, it's not looking good for Brian Cohberger,

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and the evidence that we have seen certainly links him

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not only to the area, but to the area on

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the day of the crime. So it's gonna be real

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difficult for his legal team to convince a jury that

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he wasn't there for devious purposes. Reporter Brian Enton asked

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whether Coburger might have returned to the victim's home in

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hopes of recovering a knife sheath left at the scene

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by the killer. And this is what I said in

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the opening. There was a lot of people who were

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talking about this and suggesting that it might have been

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the reason why Brian Koberger went back to the house.

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And while I don't think that's the reason, I guess

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it's possible. You just Look, here's the thing. We don't know, right.

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We have no idea what motivated these murders. We have

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no idea what motivated the alleged suspect here, Brian Coburger,

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And we certainly don't know what was going through his

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mind while all of this was going down. But for me,

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it seems more likely that he was there to admire

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his work, to go there and see the Carnegie created,

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and to bask in it. If you will remember these

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people who to do this, it's all part of it.

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The majority of times, when you have a killing like this,

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the killer ritualized the process. Chacone noted that while it

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was a possibility, he highlighted that some criminals often returned

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to the crime scene to indulge in the fruits of

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their actions, and then said, one of the creepiest things

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about this for me, when I read over the Affidavid,

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was that he is accused of coming back to the house,

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and that is creepy as hell. Imagine having that kind

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of brazen attitude. You go and murder four people in

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their home while they're sleeping or about to go to sleep,

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and then you have the audacity to come back and

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take a look at things. Especially considering as a criminal

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justice student or a criminologist, you know that usually there's

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going to be a big ass crime scene with a

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heavy police presence. Now imagine if he would have come

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back and the police had been there already and he

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was driving that white Honda Alantra, do you think they

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would have caught him a little sooner? Maybe that Alantra

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might have been caught on some body cam footage or

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something like that as they were investigating, and he might

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have been caught even sooner. But since the bodies hadn't

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been found yet when he showed up, there was no

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crime scene, there was no police presence. That is what

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the cell phone records indicate around nine point fifteen in

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the morning after the murders. Is it possible do you

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think he may have been going back to actually go

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back inside. Do you think he realized he left the

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knife sheet there? Shakhone replied, it could be, but I

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don't think so. I think this is sometimes classic criminal

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behavior where they revisit the scene of the crime. I

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think he might have gone back there to see if

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there was an ambulance or police cars. He probably expected

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the police to be there already and I think the

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fact that the police weren't there and that an ongoing

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investigation wasn't underway really through Brian koberger Off. I think

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it was his plan the whole entire time to go

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back to this crime scene and admire what he had done.

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Sometimes it is a thrill. We have seen people stand

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behind police lines at fires, Arsonists do this a lot.

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I think he was driving by to see basically the

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fruits of his actions. There should have been by that

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time a lot of police and ambulance activity. Yeah, you

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would think a quadruple homicide, he would have the whole

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entire neighborhood shut down. And that's probably what he was

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looking for, and when it didn't happen, it threw him off.

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I think that might be. It is impossible to tell.

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This is all speculation on my part, but I think

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it's quite possible that he was going back there to

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expect to see a lot of police activity. Yeah, that's

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the likeliest outcome, Right, he thought he was going to

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go back there and see this whole entire crime scene

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considering what he had just done. And if you're Brian

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Colberger's defense attorney, how do you explain this? How do

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you explain, and being there at nine am right after

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the murders can't say that there was a police report

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already because no police were there. And for me, that's

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the most damning part for Coburger here is the totality

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of all of this evidence added up. The former FBI

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agent also addressed some concerns that have arisen from the

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information in the affid David, one of the roommates of

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the victims, allegedly saw the killer on the night of

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the murder, and then asked whether it was likely the

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killers saw the roommate and what reason they could have

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had for sparing her life. Chacone answered, I think he

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did see her. But looking at the affid David, with

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the phone records and where he was, I think he

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had a certain plan. There was a plan in place

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that he had for this house. So he was executing

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a plan as he thought it was going to go

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in his mind. All of the times that people do this,

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things go wrong. He might have only planned on two

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victims and it turned out to be four, and I

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think that's what happened. Look just my speculation, right, I

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have no idea what really went down in this house,

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any more than anybody else does. But we know that

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Xana was awake with the door dash. Did Xana stumble

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upon it see him? And he felt that he had

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to do what he did. And by the time he

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was done killing Xana and Ethan, perhaps he didn't have

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the energy anymore to go and try and commit some

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more murders, or maybe he thought the roommate had already

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called the police. So there's just a lot there to unpack,

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and unless we have all of the context, it's very difficult.

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I think that the rage that he had that was

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building in the days and weeks leading up to the murders,

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I think it all came out. And the opposite side

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of that rage is an adrenaline crash, and I think

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that's absolutely correct. I think that when you have that

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kind of adrenaline built up, right for those of you

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out there who have been driven by adrenaline before, you

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know that after that adrenaline, you know wears af there's

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a big dump, and when that dump comes, forget it.

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You have no energy left whatsoever. I think after the

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fourth victim, it is entirely possible he crashed. He was

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simply so exhausted, and then you get sort of tunnel vision. Now,

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I'd never had tunnel vision before, but I've had an

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adrenaline dump. I've had to push extra hard in the

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mountains to get to the top, and by the time

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I get to the top, I realized that I might

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have pushed a bit too far. And sometimes you don't

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even realize it's happening, But in a situation like this,

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for sure, the adrenaline's going. He's all kinds of gassed

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up and fired up, and then when that adrenaline dump happens,

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it could easily push him to want to get out

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of there super quick. Now he's tired, he doesn't want

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nobody fighting back, So I got to get out of here,

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And that certainly can explain why these roommates were left unharmed.

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He was looking to get out of that house as

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quickly as he could, and the other two people down

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stairs were not part of his plan, so he walked

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right fire to get out of the house. I think

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it was entirely possible that he was simply too exhausted

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and it wasn't part of the plan he had envisioned.

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So for me, what mister Dracone says here tracks well,

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I don't think he went back to retrieve a knife sheath.

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I don't think he went back there for any other

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reason than to say she eate his own sick desires

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to see the carnage he created and the lives that

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he destroyed. All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for

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this one. If you'd like to contact me, you can

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