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<v Speaker 1>All right, And joining us now is doctor Richard Restak, MD,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is a neuroscientist as well, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>written a lot of books on the brain, and now

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<v Speaker 1>this is one kind of the nexus of our brain

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<v Speaker 1>and artificial intelligence. So I wanted to get him on

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<v Speaker 1>because we, as you know, we talk about AI and

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<v Speaker 1>its impact on society quite a bit. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, doctor Rustick.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>David.

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<v Speaker 1>You've written so many books and best selling author and

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<v Speaker 1>of course people can bind this on Amazon. You've written

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<v Speaker 1>so many books. What is different about the brain? What

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<v Speaker 1>is different about this one? And why did you write

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<v Speaker 1>this book?

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote this book to announce and to discuss the

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<v Speaker 2>dangers that are lurking and so to speak, in the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first century and are unique to the going first,

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<v Speaker 2>that are having an effect on the brain and a

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<v Speaker 2>negative one, so that we really are imperiled by eight

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<v Speaker 2>different factors, one of which is the global warming. We

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<v Speaker 2>have new diseases that are present in the twenty first

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<v Speaker 2>century that are increasing, starting with COVID and moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>We have problems of course with the global warming, which

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about more detail. And then the internet the

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<v Speaker 2>effect of the Internet, the effect of AI memory, the alteration,

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<v Speaker 2>the attempt to alter memory, almost to alter our memories

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<v Speaker 2>of what the past is like. This is an ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>enterprise by various governments of the world, including our own.

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<v Speaker 2>We also have surveillance. The seventh a surveillance becoming increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>a surveillance society. It's almost impossible to not be revealing

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<v Speaker 2>things about yourself because there's surveillance cameras everywhere. I can

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<v Speaker 2>give you several examples, not just in my own personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally, the eighth one is anxiety. All of

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<v Speaker 2>these things are creating what I call existential anxiety. People

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<v Speaker 2>are being given information, but it's being molded according to

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<v Speaker 2>the thoughts and the inclinations of people in power. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>let's take today's right out of New York Times. On

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<v Speaker 2>page A seven, there's an article called the air in

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<v Speaker 2>New Delhi is life threatening, and it tells the tale

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<v Speaker 2>of the New York Times reporters who have spread themselves

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<v Speaker 2>throughout New Delhi from six a m. Until late in

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<v Speaker 2>the evening of a certain day recently, and they measured

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<v Speaker 2>the particulate matter in the air, and it was anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>from ten times to thirty times as great as would

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<v Speaker 2>be concerned minimally normal. Now on top of that you

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<v Speaker 2>have the statement that they state that the government is

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<v Speaker 2>actually trying to hide this kind of insight to the

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<v Speaker 2>populace by spraying water and other things like that. It

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<v Speaker 2>says that they're doing this around the measuring stations. They're

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<v Speaker 2>also losing data from measuring stations during the worst outs pollution.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you have the molding of the facts, either

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<v Speaker 2>denying them all together or trying to improve them so

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<v Speaker 2>that people say, oh, well, they measured it down. It's

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<v Speaker 2>such and such a measuring state, and it was really

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of high. Of course, they were spreading

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<v Speaker 2>water and other things to try to reduce this. So

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a capitalist society here in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>which has invested interest in pushing forward certain scientific points

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<v Speaker 2>of view. So science is being put sort of in

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<v Speaker 2>the back seat. And as politicians and other people, all

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<v Speaker 2>of whom share one thing capitalistic enterprises in which they're

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<v Speaker 2>part of, for which they are advancing.

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<v Speaker 1>And a kind of crony capitalism where they can get

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<v Speaker 1>protection and subsidies as well, and the control is being

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<v Speaker 1>taken away from us because as I was just reporting

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<v Speaker 1>earlier today they're working very hard to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>state and local governments can't enact any control on artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>And they came up in the context of talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how the manufacturers of tasers also big manufacturers of police

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<v Speaker 1>body camps, how they want to wed that to artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>And the question is, you know what could possibly go

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with that? If they identify you, they misidentify you

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<v Speaker 1>as a dangerous criminal, and warn the police about how

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous you are, they could get people killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not only that, but all these efforts set up

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of anxiety and fear. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to me one morning, called a cab to

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<v Speaker 2>go to medical appointment, and we've started going down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>I said to the driver, you know you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>the most efficient or the quickest way. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that, he said, but I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>that way because they're speed cameras. I said, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're driving very sensibly and you're not speedy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in no hurry. So what's the problem. He said, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they take pictures of everybody that goes by those cameras

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<v Speaker 2>because they want to see who's in those photos in

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<v Speaker 2>those cars. So I asked them to give me a

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<v Speaker 2>reference for that, and he got set of didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>anything else for the rest of the trip. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I got down to the medical building, I got in

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<v Speaker 2>the elevator and said, in this facility there is surveillance,

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<v Speaker 2>both obvious and hidden, and the.

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<v Speaker 3>Third clause watch and you know this is one morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I got up to sign in, I

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<v Speaker 2>signed the board with an electronic ben and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see you go, no signature I saw. I said, well

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't take. You know it took, but we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know it to go on the screen so it could

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<v Speaker 2>be seen. I said, why is that? Said, well, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who haunts you might see the thing and then remember

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<v Speaker 2>it and use your for your signature to forward something somewhere. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, there was a sign that said stand

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<v Speaker 2>ten feet back, and secondly, there's nobody else behind me.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's three examples, just drawing it random that were

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<v Speaker 2>becoming an increasingly surveilled society, which is creating a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of paranoia and a sense of fear. So the brain

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<v Speaker 2>has to adjust to these type of things, David, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very hard to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that is calculated. You know they've been

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to do this even to the extent and

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<v Speaker 1>when you talk about these cameras taking everybody's picture, the

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<v Speaker 1>flock network that is out there, this corporation that is saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we can do whatever we want because it's in public

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<v Speaker 1>space and you know we're we're not government, so we

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<v Speaker 1>can collect this information. And yet they collect it in

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<v Speaker 1>order to sell it to the government.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>One level in direct but they not only grab your

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<v Speaker 1>license plate, but they also do a complete profile of

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<v Speaker 1>your car and all of its idiosyncrasies. Is have a

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<v Speaker 1>dent here, does have a scrape there? What about a

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<v Speaker 1>bumper sticker? So it creates a model of your car.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they almost have like, you know, biometric identification

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<v Speaker 1>of your cars as well as of you. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is now made possible because of the advances of AI.

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<v Speaker 1>But this has been something that has been concerning me.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at things kind of from a libertarian perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>and this has been concerning me for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that government is using technology, many different ways

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<v Speaker 1>of Internet, social media, things like that, to monitor and

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<v Speaker 1>to manipulate us all the time, and to me, artificial

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence just puts this on steroids. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's something to be anxious about. If we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this, we should be concerned about it. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not anxious, but we should be concerned about the goals

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are putting this kind of stuff together.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well there's that, and then there's if you

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<v Speaker 2>can manage to change the present, you can manipulate the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. Is the real way to get it is

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<v Speaker 2>to get control of the past. Is warwell pointed out? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you control the past, you know, you can control the

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<v Speaker 2>present and by the implication, control of the future. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing alterations of materials, even government documents, government films, documentaries,

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<v Speaker 2>things like that are being altered in ways that are

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<v Speaker 2>not visible I should say detectable, not detectable to the

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary person. So they get ideas about what the past

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<v Speaker 2>was like which are wrong and don't show you. As

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned in the book, if you were at a

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<v Speaker 2>dance in eighteen fifty before the Civil War and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a film or watch Let's say we're watching a film

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<v Speaker 2>about eighteen fifty and we're seeing people ballroom dancing all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then one of them pulls the side and pulls

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<v Speaker 2>out a cell phone, and you say, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have cell phones. Then, well, you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of things that were going on now

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not going on in the past, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not too our advantage to try to pretend that they were.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't. We have to understand the past, understand the future,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not only creating situations that are false, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're also like in nineteen eighty four, or Well created

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<v Speaker 2>a character called Commander Olov. He was a war hero.

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<v Speaker 2>He got all sorts of metals, and it was all

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<v Speaker 2>the products that were all told to honor him and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. Well, he never existed. He actually was made

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<v Speaker 2>up entirely. And that's one of the things that the

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<v Speaker 2>narrator is doing in the job of work is filling

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<v Speaker 2>in photographs see concerting O WIV into historical events that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>wartime scenarios, etc. Anyone reading it will say, wow, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is some man. Well, he was a complete fabrication.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just about at that point with Sora out, the

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<v Speaker 2>the AI out. Well, it could take you and had you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to say, let's get to David Knight and

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<v Speaker 2>have him leading some sort of a parade or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, suddenly people say, well, gosh, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>him with my own eyes. So what's happening is that

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<v Speaker 2>the actually seeing is believing is being turned on its head.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's no longer true.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about a completely fabricated character out of Orwell

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<v Speaker 1>it's just recently they had Tilly Norwood, who has a

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<v Speaker 1>completely fabricated AI personality, and the person who came up

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<v Speaker 1>with it got agents representing her, They got her out

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<v Speaker 1>there as an actress. I mean it was like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I've created an AI actress which will do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different roles for you.

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<v Speaker 3>She probably does her own stunts as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually people in SAG, the screen actors Gil and

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<v Speaker 1>they're furious about this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, any.

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<v Speaker 1>Agent that presents this AI character is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do any business with us. But we're already at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>It truly is interesting, Yeah, And one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The ways of neutralizing it is to create the situation

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<v Speaker 2>that exists right now between you and me. You're laughing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm laughing because it seems funny, and it is funny,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a very serious purpose behind all of this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all hatter to try to alter people's perceptions so

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<v Speaker 2>that they begin to doubt the varietity of what they're seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I've talked for the longest time about how the

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea for the Internet was created by DARPA psychologists,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been concerned that it was all about the

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<v Speaker 1>psychological manipulation from.

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<v Speaker 3>The get go with all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a physician and as a neuroscientist, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>interested in your take on, you know, what is currently

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<v Speaker 1>going on, because besides manipulating the past by changing information

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<v Speaker 1>about the past or you know, memory holding it or

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<v Speaker 1>writing a new alternative history of it, they are also concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's been projects that have been put out by DARPA,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if they've been successful or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but they you know, they're putting out requests for people

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a soldier, they say it, who's got bad PTSD.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get rid of that memory. Let's give them different memories.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you see in terms of someone who studies

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<v Speaker 1>what do you take, as I think is the state

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<v Speaker 2>Last book was called the Complete Book of Memory. It

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<v Speaker 2>had to do with memory and studying memory in great detail.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course you have to do away with the

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<v Speaker 2>concept that memory is like a videotape or something that

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<v Speaker 2>like you bring out a videotape. It's not like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a reconstruction. Each time you think back to a

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<v Speaker 2>memory one, memory two, memory three, on and on and all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the nature of memory. And memory can be manipulated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always, you know, in the courtroom they're always trying

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid the contamination of the witness. An example that

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<v Speaker 2>would be, well, which car went through the red light?

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<v Speaker 2>And to ask a witness and he said, oh, it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was a red car went through the red light. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>would it surprise you to know that it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>red light but it was a stop sign? Misterial witness.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, his credibility is gone because he took the

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<v Speaker 2>suggestion that it was a red light. Instead, it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>very easy to do because you don't necessarily have that

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<v Speaker 2>image of that intersection in your mind. So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>there's protections even in the courtroom against leading the witness.

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<v Speaker 2>They caught, in other words, providing information that's either not

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<v Speaker 2>through at all or half true. So we've got that call.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not this didn't start in the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 2>That that started, you know, as long as we've had courtrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a more emphasis now on altering memory. So

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<v Speaker 2>the people will not will get up there and undercross

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<v Speaker 2>examination they'll do pretty well because their whole memory has

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<v Speaker 2>been altered. They've changed by various mechanisms, suggestion, repeating information

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<v Speaker 2>which is false, of course, which is the misinformation. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a cartoon about a week ago by Ramirez in which

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<v Speaker 2>he's Fulter Prize winner. He has three doctors in an

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<v Speaker 2>looking into a microscope and he looks up and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the most dangerous pathogen we have ever encountered.

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<v Speaker 2>And the second doctor says, well, is it bubonic plague?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it smallpox? And then the one that he says, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's misinformation, disinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And we've got to be very careful because

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<v Speaker 1>many times the people who will tell us about that

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<v Speaker 1>ask those leading questions, you know, when we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>leading questions and manipulating people. There's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>reports about artificial intelligence kind of people who have a

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what it is set up to do in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of bias that want to you know, be empathetic

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<v Speaker 1>and sympathetic to people, and so it starts doing that

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<v Speaker 1>and leading them further and further down a particular rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been situations of you know, people who got into

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<v Speaker 1>severe mental distress, some suicides of some young children and

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<v Speaker 1>other things like that speak to that aspect of it

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<v Speaker 1>and the real danger of that. That is really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I think speaks to the psychological aspect and potential

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<v Speaker 1>of artificial intelligence, and that could be weaponized. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of happening out of their business model, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but that could definitely be weaponized against people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I talk about that. In my book, in the

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<v Speaker 2>chapter on the Internet, there are famous examples of people

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<v Speaker 2>who have suicided right on the internet law feed, and

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<v Speaker 2>they've been manipulated to doing that by other people who

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<v Speaker 2>have encourage them, said this would be a sign of strength,

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<v Speaker 2>this would be a sign of that you're not afraid

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<v Speaker 2>to die if necessary. And there's cases of it that

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<v Speaker 2>actually led to the suicide. One of them is most grizzly.

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<v Speaker 2>I have in my book about a person who has

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<v Speaker 2>talked into pouring gasoline over themselves and setting a match,

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<v Speaker 2>all on open feed Internet. And while this fire is burning,

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<v Speaker 2>you can hear everybody in the backgrounds cheering, we did it,

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<v Speaker 2>We did it. We got him to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's something about the internet and about that actually

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<v Speaker 2>brings out statistic criminal, psychopathic trends, and we don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it. The fact that you don't necessarily can't be identified.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that is going to be influencing and has

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<v Speaker 2>influenced the Internet greatly, and it will continue to do

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<v Speaker 2>so until we understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one things that's so dangerous about the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we saw with lockdown. Other aspects of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an adimization here in so many different ways. The government,

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<v Speaker 1>tech and tech companies are trying to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't we're not in person with each other. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>many cases like, for example, in this interview, we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do this interview if we both had if one of

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<v Speaker 1>both of us had to travel. We're able to do

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<v Speaker 1>this because we can do it over zoom or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But just taking ordinary things that you would normally do

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of interacting with people in school or in

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<v Speaker 1>church or in your community or whatever, taking that away

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<v Speaker 1>and putting a screen between the two of you, it

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<v Speaker 1>really does change the way people interact with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Errol Morris, the film director, was able to

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<v Speaker 1>get people to say all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>He got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Murderer to confess, he got he got Robert McNamara to

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<v Speaker 1>confess about the false Flago, the Vietnam War. He got

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<v Speaker 1>people say all kinds of stuff because there was that

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<v Speaker 1>distance between him and them. He could have interviewed them

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<v Speaker 1>in person. But what he did was he put an enterotron,

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<v Speaker 1>which he is what he called it. It was basically

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<v Speaker 1>a teleprompter that he had set up so he could

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<v Speaker 1>do two way communication at the time, and once he

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<v Speaker 1>had that distance there, then it completely changed the dynamics

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<v Speaker 1>that he would have versus with somebody person to person.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we're talking about here, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're talking about that, And of course there's the

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<v Speaker 2>inegradations of this, and it continues like we're you're interviewing me,

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<v Speaker 2>we're discussing. I feel like it's a discussion. If I

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<v Speaker 2>were to say something that later I regretted, I could

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<v Speaker 2>probably say, oh, well, that wasn't me, that was my avatar.

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<v Speaker 3>Or my agent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I got an AI agent that's out there doing that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. We also see though, as a doctor, you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing people have noticed actual physical changes that can be

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<v Speaker 1>observed in people's brains from I'm thinking the story about

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<v Speaker 1>the London taxi drivers who would do the knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>they would find that as they memorized all these factual

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<v Speaker 1>details and drew on that all the time in order

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<v Speaker 1>to take people to you know, this very complicated city

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<v Speaker 1>of their brain that was larger than the typical person.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they found that once they stopped doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>it started to shrink again, and we're starting to see

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<v Speaker 1>that happening with people in a lot of different areas

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<v Speaker 1>of their life, that kind of atrophy, and it's physically observable,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to use the things that you have learned

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Like I mentioned in my memory book, there's

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of memory exercises that you could do. I

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<v Speaker 2>do them every day and they're very easy and they

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<v Speaker 2>can help you to continue with your with your memory

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it sharp.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us some examples. I'm sure everybody would love to

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I would all like to have a better memory.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of things do we can we do to

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<v Speaker 1>exercise Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about the fact that you never had to learn

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<v Speaker 2>pictures when you were an infant and a young child.

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<v Speaker 2>A picture was something that you could you may not

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<v Speaker 2>without an intermediary whrest. Language is something that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from other people. It's something that's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>added on to the brain. Okay, So as a result,

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<v Speaker 2>the most the best way of remembering something is to

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<v Speaker 2>make a image for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, I have a little dog called a skipper Key.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was embarrassing to me when walking the street,

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<v Speaker 2>people say what kind of a dog is that? And

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<v Speaker 2>skipper Key, and I remember forever, so I was I

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<v Speaker 2>had the picture. Once I have the picture, it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to do another way, easy way to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can do that with all kinds of times. All

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I was going upstairs before I came down

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to get my cell phone. So I

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<v Speaker 2>of a cell phone, and I was walking up the

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<v Speaker 2>up and I knew I had these two elements to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Be very easy to get one and forget the other,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you have these images all the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>the quickest you know. This is sort of off the

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<v Speaker 2>topic of the book, but if you want to have

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<v Speaker 2>a firepower memory for a load of things, it's up

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<v Speaker 2>to ten things and get ten areas that you are

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with that every day, and then you could put

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<v Speaker 2>on those images the thing you're trying to remember. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm trying to remember a loaf of bread, milk,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a batteries, I have a regular way of doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I have like I remember the library that's near my home,

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee shop, liquor store, Georgetown University, Medical School where

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<v Speaker 2>I went, Georgetown University, Cafe Milano, which is a place

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington everybody gathers, and then Keybridge, Ewa, Jeema Memorial,

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<v Speaker 2>and Regan Airport. So that bread would be, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>the loaf of bread. I was looking in the window

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<v Speaker 2>of the library. Instead of seeing books, I see bread,

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<v Speaker 2>loaves of bread. And when I get down to the

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<v Speaker 2>milk bottles. So that's how I love to get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have those ten so I can get ten

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's interesting you talk about the importance

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<v Speaker 1>really when I highlight things or when I write them down,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I can remember them. If I don't do that,

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<v Speaker 1>if I were just to read these things, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>remember them. But if I interact with it and write

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<v Speaker 1>it down, that helps me to remember it. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is a kind of visualization there, I guess as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It truly is interesting what you said earlier about memory

428
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<v Speaker 1>not being something that is stored in a place. As

429
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<v Speaker 1>somebody coming from a computer science background, that was a

430
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<v Speaker 1>very different thing. When you construct your your memory, you know,

431
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<v Speaker 1>how do you reconstruct that? I mean that that as

432
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<v Speaker 1>opens up a whole new area of questions as well.

433
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<v Speaker 1>In other words, if every time somebody brings up a subject,

434
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there is isn't something that's stored initially to

435
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<v Speaker 1>reference that and then rebuild from that.

436
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<v Speaker 2>There's that because there's the inner there's the interconnections. Like

437
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<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody listening to us might say, well, gee,

438
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<v Speaker 2>this is called the twenty first century brain, but I

439
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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard that much about the brain. Well let me

440
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<v Speaker 2>just link that up so that these things make sense.

441
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<v Speaker 2>We have a new version, or I should say, a

442
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<v Speaker 2>new understanding of the brain called the connectomic brain, in

443
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<v Speaker 2>which there's all kinds of interactions in the brain of

444
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<v Speaker 2>parts of the brain. But you don't we're just learning

445
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<v Speaker 2>about I have the I use the metaphor of a

446
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<v Speaker 2>bull of spaghetti. You pull out one of the strains

447
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<v Speaker 2>of spaghetti, and you're never have any idea what it's

448
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<v Speaker 2>connected to. How many other strains is spaghetti this is

449
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<v Speaker 2>connected to? So that if you think of the brain

450
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<v Speaker 2>as being kind of set to make connections, that's its

451
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<v Speaker 2>natural process. So it gets back to these things that

452
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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about earlier, you know, global warming and

453
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<v Speaker 2>memory and surveillance and all that. How are we going

454
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<v Speaker 2>to solve all those Well, somehow or other those things

455
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<v Speaker 2>are connected with each other. That's the take home message

456
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<v Speaker 2>of this book. And the basic goal is to try

457
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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what it is that connects these things,

458
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<v Speaker 2>what it is that would allow us to buy solving

459
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<v Speaker 2>one of them solve the other. And I mentioned at

460
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<v Speaker 2>the end of the book, experts so far haven't done it.

461
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<v Speaker 2>So it's useful, as Hiak said, to get ordinary people

462
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<v Speaker 2>to give When I say ordinary, I mean, non specialized

463
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<v Speaker 2>people to give their ideas. Do you I wonder what

464
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<v Speaker 2>such and such would happen, what would happen about global

465
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<v Speaker 2>warming for a while those In fact, there's still experiments

466
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<v Speaker 2>going on on the effect of sulfur that would help

467
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<v Speaker 2>the the CO two problem and you know, shooting sulfur

468
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<v Speaker 2>up into the into the atmosphere. Of course, the reason

469
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<v Speaker 2>for that was the volcano in nineteen eighty something in

470
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<v Speaker 2>which after that volcano in Hawaii it was noted that

471
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<v Speaker 2>the air was clearer and there was less pollution. So

472
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<v Speaker 2>that's something to think about, is there's some way of

473
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<v Speaker 2>using that particular sulfur experiment to decrease global warming. War,

474
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<v Speaker 2>for instance, we don't think of war as a cause

475
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<v Speaker 2>of global warming, but it is.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Or CO two warning.

477
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what up since the Ukraine War and the

478
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.759
<v Speaker 2>gauze of war. Then you know, a tremendous amount that's

479
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<v Speaker 2>going to overcome and exceed the benefit of any of

480
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 2>these things, like you know, non gasoline engines, but using

481
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<v Speaker 2>things like that.

482
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of like you know, shooting up rockets

483
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<v Speaker 1>in order to put satellites up. You know, how many,

484
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.160
<v Speaker 1>how many cars and lifetime use of cars from people

485
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 1>would that be equivalent to and you start talking about

486
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>all the missiles that are being shot and then you

487
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 1>get to the explosives as well. Uh, it is really

488
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<v Speaker 1>interesting how they focus us on their objectives for their

489
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 1>ways to control the manipulation has been going on for

490
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<v Speaker 1>quite some time. And so yeah, that is it is

491
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. And I guess that's my you know, my my.

492
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<v Speaker 1>When we look at this stuff, it really does look

493
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<v Speaker 1>like science fiction. And I'm almost inclined to write it

494
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<v Speaker 1>off on our first see it when DARPA is saying, well,

495
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<v Speaker 1>we need to find some way that we can, uh,

496
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<v Speaker 1>you know, erase memories and people and insert new memories

497
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>into them. And we were going back to total recall, right,

498
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<v Speaker 1>so it sounds like something from Philip K. Dick novel,

499
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:56.759
<v Speaker 1>but they're really working on that. And I guess one

500
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<v Speaker 1>of the most striking things that we saw we reported

501
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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of weeks ago, and it was a

502
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<v Speaker 1>company that was bragging about how they could read your

503
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.759
<v Speaker 1>mind more accurately and quickly than their competitors. Because there's

504
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different companies that are doing this and

505
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>how they could it's called brain. It was the name

506
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>of the company, and so they had a way that

507
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<v Speaker 1>they would do MRI and they could essentially train it

508
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>on your brain in a much shorter period of time

509
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to the other people, and they could get much better results.

510
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<v Speaker 1>And our producers just pull this up. So what they

511
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<v Speaker 1>do is they show you an image and you're looking

512
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<v Speaker 1>at that image, and then it's reading your mind and

513
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>reconstructing what you're looking at, which I thought was absolutely

514
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>amazing and terrifying at the same time. How is this

515
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<v Speaker 1>going to be used? I guess that's the real issue

516
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<v Speaker 1>when we start talking about all these different things. I

517
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>think that is the real case that it's difficult for

518
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>people to understand just how far and how quickly the

519
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.039
<v Speaker 1>technology has progressed, and then to say, and how do

520
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>we control this from being used for bad purposes?

521
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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a specifically twenty first century problem, because all

522
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<v Speaker 2>of these things have either originated in the twenty first

523
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>century or they have in fact further developed and become

524
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<v Speaker 2>increasingly threatening. And bear in mind, we have to have

525
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to solve these problems because they're not something that's going

526
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to go away. And then the most important thing to remember, David,

527
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<v Speaker 2>is that all of these things harm the brain, and

528
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>the brain is the thinking processor. It's going to save us.

529
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<v Speaker 2>It's going to figure out what the problems, what the

530
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<v Speaker 2>solutions to the problems are. So we know now that

531
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<v Speaker 2>wildfire smoke, for instance, it creates dementia, It enhances the

532
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<v Speaker 2>likelihood of something that's coming to menash So as the

533
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<v Speaker 2>brain is affected negatively increasingly over longer and longer periods

534
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<v Speaker 2>of time, our ability to solve these problems and to decrease.

535
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<v Speaker 2>So we've got to do it now. We've got to

536
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.559
<v Speaker 2>get serious about it. And this business of people getting

537
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>up saying the global warming is fiction and all that

538
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 2>is really very very disturbing.

539
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know the example that you gave earlier of

541
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the Indian government was manipulating the temperature

542
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>at some of the stations there.

543
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 3>That kind of works both ways.

544
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>They have put some of these temperature stations on the

545
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 1>airport tarmacs, and in the UK they have a lot

546
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 1>of the temperature stations that they've got there. They're just

547
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>extrapolating the data. They don't have real temperature measurement stations there.

548
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 1>So it all really gets back, I think, to the

549
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 1>scientific method, and that's really where we have to hold

550
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>people's feet to the fire. We're talking about something like that.

551
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>We can have an absolute standard of what truth is,

552
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and that truth is going to be being able to

553
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>measure something accurately and being able to reproduce that. And

554
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>then I think a good yardstick for that is when

555
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<v Speaker 1>somebody is trying to high their data. That's that's the

556
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>clue right there that they're not doing science. Because if

557
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 1>they're doing science and they've come to the right conclusion,

558
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>they don't have a problem with somebody looking at their data.

559
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<v Speaker 1>And so I've got a question here for you from

560
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<v Speaker 1>a person in the audience asking you know about doctors

561
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>James Giordano and Charles Morgan and their work with military.

562
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not familiar with those names. I don't know if

563
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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about that or not.

564
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<v Speaker 2>To your Donna says familiar. What particular thing are they

565
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<v Speaker 2>asking about them?

566
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

567
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<v Speaker 1>It just says their work with military. I guess i'd

568
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>have to do with something, but you haven't heard of it.

569
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I could say to your dollar, did

570
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<v Speaker 2>this or did that? Not sure?

571
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<v Speaker 3>I understand.

572
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the things that

573
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<v Speaker 1>we have been anxious about and of course, as Christians,

574
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>we have one answer to it. But you talk about

575
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<v Speaker 1>how this is something that has been around pretty much

576
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>all of our life. I mean there was I grew

577
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<v Speaker 1>up with anxiety about nuclear warfare. Example, that was on

578
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<v Speaker 1>everybody's television, and that was a fourth front front of

579
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>our mind, especially growing up in Florida when the Cuban

580
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 1>missile crisis was happening. They got us really afraid of that.

581
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<v Speaker 1>When I was in elementary school, you know, it's like

582
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<v Speaker 1>there's not gonna be enough time for you to get home,

583
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, a nuclear bomb started falling in So I

584
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>mean there's all these different ways that you can panic people.

585
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<v Speaker 1>I guess part of it is how do we identify

586
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<v Speaker 1>the real problems and how do we deal with those

587
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 1>problems because there's always things that are competing for our

588
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>attention and our anxiety, many of which are not real,

589
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, And usually the things that you're really the

590
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 1>most concerned about won't happen. And it may be sometimes

591
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<v Speaker 1>because you have taken a precaution about it. What would

592
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<v Speaker 1>you say about that about anxiety?

593
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<v Speaker 2>It started to break up a little bit. Can you

594
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<v Speaker 2>hear me? Clearly?

595
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<v Speaker 3>I hear you yes, yes, sorry about that. You talked about.

596
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<v Speaker 2>Breaking up a little bit, talking.

597
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>About traumatizing a population. You know, what do you do

598
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 1>to guard against that type of thing? And of course

599
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that's going to really escalate with the ability of AI

600
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>to create a narrative.

601
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, let's talk about it. There's an avenue to

602
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:20.639
<v Speaker 2>get into that. Let's go back to what you've brought

603
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>about the atomic weapons and the atomic war, the fears

604
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of the people that there's going to be another atomic war.

605
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, this is not unrealistic. There's even

606
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 2>been a movie that's just come out that's getting all

607
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.039
<v Speaker 2>kinds of attention, as you know, and it has to

608
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<v Speaker 2>do with the threat of a nuclear war things in

609
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<v Speaker 2>the If you look at what's happening in the Europe

610
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<v Speaker 2>right now, there's all kinds of suggestions that could lead

611
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<v Speaker 2>to a nuclear war. I mean, Ukraine now has announced

612
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<v Speaker 2>that they're under no conditions willing to give up any

613
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<v Speaker 2>land and Stalin is i mean Putin is thinking what

614
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>he can do to change that, but maybe he'll attack

615
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>another country. I mean, this is scary stuff. So what's

616
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<v Speaker 2>happening in response to the government is to try to

617
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<v Speaker 2>show that, oh we shouldn't worry about it. We have

618
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>things under control. But I don't think things are under control.

619
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<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about the problems, and we talked about

620
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<v Speaker 1>problems you have. Your final chapter is New Ways of Thinking,

621
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<v Speaker 1>and i'd like to talk about that. One of the

622
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<v Speaker 1>things that you say is Occam was wrong. Occam's razor

623
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<v Speaker 1>that you know people are familiar with. Tell us a

624
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<v Speaker 1>little bit about that. Why is I come wrong?

625
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<v Speaker 2>Well, because he says that, you know, the entities are

626
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<v Speaker 2>not to be multiplied, meaning that we can always explain

627
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<v Speaker 2>things best by limiting ourselves to the minimum amount of factors.

628
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Ideally want one cause of every effect. That's not true.

629
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<v Speaker 2>It's certainly not true in the twenty first century. There's

630
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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of interactions between factors and cause, so that

631
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<v Speaker 2>Alkham was wrong in that basis. We have to think

632
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<v Speaker 2>of an interconnecting pool, just as in the brain, of

633
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>interconnections of neurons, interconnections of these problems. And they're all related.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all really, all eight of them I talk about

635
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<v Speaker 2>in my book. They're all related. And if you can

636
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<v Speaker 2>figure a way of influencing one, you influence all the others.

637
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who would think there'd be a connection between

638
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>global warming and the amount of artisan and cheese for

639
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>INSS high end cheese, well there is because they don't

640
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 2>chicken stole lay many eggs, and it would be all

641
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the various other things to come on in terms of

642
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>making cheese. I've earned that. Learned that the other day.

643
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<v Speaker 2>That was something that was a surprise to me.

644
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of interesting. We talked about Connections

645
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>so much. There was a series that was I think

646
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<v Speaker 1>it was on PBS. I think the guy's name was Burke.

647
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember his first name. I'm not sure about

648
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 1>the last name.

649
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 3>But we had a.

650
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Series called Connections, and I thought was fascinating because what

651
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 1>he would do is he would take a whole series

652
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 1>of connections to show how a particular technology had evolved,

653
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:10.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, so he might go from you know, the

654
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>quill to the to the jet engine.

655
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<v Speaker 3>Or something like that.

656
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<v Speaker 1>And it was a fascinating, fascinating thread of things, very

657
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>much like what you're talking about.

658
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<v Speaker 2>It really is. And I did I did consult his work,

659
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Actually did you. I was writing this book because he

660
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 2>did that Connections. He did a book called The Day

661
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>of the World Changed and all this he also did

662
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 2>a book called Circles, in which he would start with

663
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.079
<v Speaker 2>one particular event that he cared in history, and if

664
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<v Speaker 2>you go around the circle, you come back to the

665
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>beginning where it started, where this particular inventor invented something

666
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>would led up to it. What was the circle leading

667
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.320
<v Speaker 2>to that? So, yes, we're talking about connections, and we're

668
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about the inability to understand things without reference to

669
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>awarding and accessory factors. We have that going all the time,

670
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 2>denying things that are going to be happy. Of course,

671
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<v Speaker 2>I think the fearful thing is that the government is

672
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<v Speaker 2>aiding in this denial, because if you deny that there's

673
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<v Speaker 2>a problem, then there's very little impetus to try to

674
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>solve it, you know, Yeah, and there no problem, don't

675
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>try to solve it.

676
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 1>They're throwing out their own chaos and uncertainty and anxiety

677
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that's out there all the time always.

678
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 3>I guess.

679
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>So the question is you're talking about volatility, uncertainty, complexity,

680
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and ambiguity. I mean it sounds like a government policy.

681
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<v Speaker 1>I think they've got bureaucracies that specialized on that.

682
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well actually that's true.

683
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's in your section there about new ways of thinking,

684
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and so how do we incorporate that in the new

685
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 1>ways of thinking that help us to solve this riddle.

686
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<v Speaker 2>Well, each of those factors is a factor that helps

687
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.280
<v Speaker 2>you to understand things and to have more control. It

688
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.159
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to link them together.

689
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>That has to be done by original thinking. You have

690
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to be under those things. Things are evolvable. You don't

691
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>have a basic situation that doesn't change. It changes all

692
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the time. So that the other thing that I want

693
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 2>to emphasize the most is that is the role of

694
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>capitalism in all of this. I mean, there's all this

695
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>like the private equity, the business of people having a

696
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 2>point of view that is going to advance them financially,

697
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>and that blinding them to the problems that are here. Like,

698
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 2>for instance, we talked about global warming. Well, the rich

699
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.519
<v Speaker 2>people of very rich people are buying multi million dollar

700
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>departments and condominiums which have special air filters which will

701
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:03.440
<v Speaker 2>keep wildfire smoke out and we'll try to keep the

702
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 2>global warming effect at bay by superpower air conditioners.

703
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 1>So the building they're building their own bunkers to buildings

704
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>that are creating all kinds of chaos and and uh,

705
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, weapons of war, mass destruction, they're out. They're

706
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>building super bunkers in various places as well, So I

707
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 1>think they're somewhat pessimistic about what they're doing.

708
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's basically the idea is that, you know, we

709
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the ordinary person. We're going to survive.

710
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 2>We're going to see to our own survival, and if

711
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>we in order to do that we have to deny

712
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>certain things that are that are going on, will do so. Now, incidentally,

713
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 2>all of this is not conscious thinking. They don't necessarily say, well,

714
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to deny global warming because it will be

715
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to my advantage financially because all my investment is in

716
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the globe the all gas industry. They don't. They don't

717
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 2>do it that way. They come up with pseudo logic

718
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>things that seem to make sense to them, but if

719
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have a financial thrust in the matter, they

720
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Speaker 2>would look out upon it quite differently.

721
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

722
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 1>We can always find a justification for what it was,

723
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 1>what it is that we really want. Everybody should understand

724
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 1>that if your parents this time of year, at Christmas time,

725
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 1>you can always understand that people will come up with

726
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 1>a justification for what they.

727
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Want, and that's as.

728
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 1>True of government as it is of corporations out there,

729
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 1>and it's really dangerous one of the two of them

730
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>connect with each other. I think that's one of the things.

731
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, you talk about connections and the importance of

732
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 1>it and how we can try to connect these different factors,

733
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 1>each of us individually, But I think it's the human

734
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 1>connection that is out there that is going to be

735
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 1>essential for all of this. It's going to be our

736
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 1>collective work on all this. What do you think about that?

737
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Would you agree with that?

738
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd agree with it, But there's so many things

739
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that are taking place now that are causing the schisms

740
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and yes, splitting people into factors and belief systems and

741
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.519
<v Speaker 2>political points of view, and that's very dangerous because then

742
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you can't get together any kind of unity, even in

743
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the face of an emergency.

744
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we've always had I think we've always

745
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 1>had these factor you know, factions and things like that.

746
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, the founders of the country warned about factions

747
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 1>and political parties. But I think what makes it unique

748
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 1>is that when you're interacting with people on a personal basis,

749
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you interact with them a little bit differently than if

750
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 1>you've got that separation between you that technology is giving

751
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 1>us now because now you're interacting with something that's abstracted,

752
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>is not with another person. And there's also the body

753
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>language that you're not picking up on. But it makes

754
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>it easier for you to be harder on people when

755
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>there's that distance there. I think that's why I think,

756
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, the personal connection I think is really vital

757
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to making these connections and coming up with an understanding

758
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 1>of what's going on. We talked about the hidden factors

759
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 1>that are out there, hidden unrelated to topics other people,

760
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 1>as you pointed out earlier, just talking to ordinary people

761
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>about what is that you see with different things. I

762
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>think that is the genius of the collective free market

763
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>out there, that there's so many observers who are looking

764
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 1>at things and thinking about them, and it's kind of

765
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 1>their collective decision that is kind of guiding things along,

766
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to having a central planner who's doing that.

767
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that You've got to in

768
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>your final chapter a new way of thinking. You have

769
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 1>what you call it sensible solution. What does that really involve?

770
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I hear what you said.

771
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.599
<v Speaker 1>You have a sensible solution. What do you think a

772
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 1>sensible solution to the kind of stress and chaos and

773
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>anxiety that we have, manipulation that we have. What is

774
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>a solution to that?

775
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Well? I think the Wikipedia is a good example of that.

776
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.199
<v Speaker 2>They have people from all walks of life, all levels

777
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 2>of education, free to contribute to whatever topic they may

778
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 2>want to do that it may be helpful. I mentioned

779
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>earlier about the effect of global warming on the making

780
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 2>of cheese. It might be somebody who makes cheese that's

781
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>going to come up with some idea. You know, we

782
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know that. We don't know that. That may not

783
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.639
<v Speaker 2>be where it comes some original idea of want to

784
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.239
<v Speaker 2>do about global warming? And you put it on what

785
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to think, And I hope it will be

786
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>developed a kind of Wikipedia where the ordinary person can

787
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>feel free to put forth their ideas about it. Now

788
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.039
<v Speaker 2>you say, well, we already have that, we have the Internet. No,

789
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>we don't. The Internet is a commercial situation. It's all

790
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 2>done for making money and grab attention and all that,

791
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and there's no criticism of it. There's no pure review,

792
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 2>if you will, rights in the Wikipedia. I mean, you know,

793
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>people get write in and say, well, that particular contribution

794
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 2>as bonkers and then give an example why it is

795
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>that was a very good idea. And after that you

796
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:06.159
<v Speaker 2>begin to get things coming together in unpredictable ways that

797
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 2>they help us solve these eight problems.

798
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the problem is it seems like whenever you wind

799
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 1>up having a form or place where things can be,

800
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's true of the Internet, it's also true of Wikipedia,

801
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 1>then it becomes you have gatekeepers who are there and

802
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>we saw this in spades throughout the COVID stuff that

803
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.119
<v Speaker 1>if somebody's got a different idea, rather than debate them,

804
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the impetus is to silence them by the people who

805
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>are an authority. And so that really, I think is

806
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.679
<v Speaker 1>the key thing, and I think as part of that

807
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:47.960
<v Speaker 1>we see a continuing rise in disgust and deprivation of

808
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.679
<v Speaker 1>free speech. People are not interested in the principle of

809
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 1>free speech. They don't want to have open debate. And

810
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I see this regardless of where people coming from on

811
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the political spectrum. There is a declining interest and debate

812
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and thinking. You know, the debate is critical to critical thinking,

813
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 1>and so the people who are in charge, the gatekeepers,

814
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.480
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Wikipedia or the Internet or any other form

815
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 1>of information. They are weighing in on that, and they

816
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 1>don't want things that they disagree with. And it might

817
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>be because they've got an agenda, or it might be

818
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 1>because they've just got a particular prejudice about something. They

819
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that the contrary views don't get

820
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>out there. That I think is the real keys that's there.

821
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 1>And again, this is part of this atomization that we

822
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.320
<v Speaker 1>have of people feeding that tribalism in the way that

823
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>we've never seen it before using technology.

824
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I would agree with everything you've just said exactly, and

825
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I think we have to try to get beyond that.

826
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 2>But we get back again to this business of people

827
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>having their own personal financial point of view and position

828
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and pushing that basically on the fact that they look

829
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>upon it as so maybe we're talking about a capitalism problem.

830
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 2>We've got capitalism. It's what this country's all about. But

831
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's certain parts of it. Now we've gone

832
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>to the point where people are unable to take another

833
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 2>point of view if it's going to be financially harmful

834
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:22.239
<v Speaker 2>and hurtful to them.

835
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that, you know, we start looking at

836
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the tech companies.

837
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that their capitalism would exist.

838
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they have billions of dollars if they

839
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>weren't unified with the government. So there's a there's a

840
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 1>symbiosis there that the two of these entities feed off.

841
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Of each other.

842
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's that in exus, right there is

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<v Speaker 1>the is the difficult thing. And and so I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I think of capitalism, I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to capitalism anymore because I think of it

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<v Speaker 1>as a partnership, a public private partnership, some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an economic fascism where they are working together. But I

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<v Speaker 1>like to think of a free, competitive market where the

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<v Speaker 1>government doesn't have any role except as some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a referee between two parties that have a conflict or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's the thing that's really driving this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>many people when they talk about AI, they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's a couple of different outcomes. Maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff really works the way it's supposed to work, it

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<v Speaker 1>takes everybody's jobs and we wind up with a depression,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe it doesn't work at all, in which case

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<v Speaker 1>the big AI stock bubble that we've got bursts and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody loses their job because of that. Well, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>third alternative, and that is that the government keeps propping

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<v Speaker 1>it up with public funds because it feeds their surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>and manipulation needs their ability to surveil and to control us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really think that that's where this is all

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<v Speaker 1>going to head. I don't really you know, those other

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<v Speaker 1>two things may happen, and they may be true, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think there is a customer out there for the

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<v Speaker 1>AI stuff that is driving all this stuff that has

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<v Speaker 1>been putting out these proposals for the longest time. That's governments,

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<v Speaker 1>governments around the world. I mean, we look at the

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<v Speaker 1>Brain project that we had a few years ago, that

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<v Speaker 1>was during the Boma administration. But things like the Brain

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<v Speaker 1>Computer Interface that Elon Musk and many other tech companies

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<v Speaker 1>are doing out there. There's neuralink and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them that are doing that. That's being driven by

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<v Speaker 1>the government wanting to connect into our minds, hack into

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<v Speaker 1>our minds really, and they've been funding that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we break that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, on the Musk side, it sees doing it for money,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean obviously to make money, that's right, So that

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<v Speaker 2>there's unholy alliance, if you will, between someone who can't

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<v Speaker 2>see anything on the dollar, and in the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the government can't see anything other than increasing power

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<v Speaker 2>and surveillance over the population.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, absolutely true. Well, it's a fascinating book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating take on this and and of course you've

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<v Speaker 1>written many books on the brain, the memory one very interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and you do have sections about memory in this book

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And people be able to find this on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is the best place that they can find

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<v Speaker 1>it looking for the title of this and it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it is something that I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>need to think about how we're going to operate the

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<v Speaker 1>effects that this technology is having on our brains in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty first century. And that is the title of

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<v Speaker 1>the book, The twenty first Century Brain by Richard Restak.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, doctor Restak. Thank you, appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>And Georgia, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>A very interesting conversation. Thank you. Have a good day.

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<v Speaker 3>Folks are gonna take a quick break and we will

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<v Speaker 3>be right back.

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