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Speaker 1: You. I'm now listening to soft Core History.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to soft core History. I'm

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your host for the weekdam regester, and let me be

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the first to wish you a happy Christmas.

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Speaker 3: That's the British way to say it, Happy Christmas.

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Speaker 2: That's Rob Fox. I'm always joined by him. And we

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have a special guest today, the very merry scottle Lopez.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I dressed like Santa's Greatest Elf today. Don't like

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how you said Happy Christmas though, that was Did you

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watch Harry Potter or something? Is that where that came from?

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Speaker 2: It is a Christmas movie.

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Speaker 3: Happy Christmas, Henry, Happy Christmas, Henry. We'll get you one

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of those sweaters that Ron gets every single year.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to do the Chris Barman thing, and

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let me be the first.

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Speaker 3: No one knows who that is.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows who Chris Berman is. He's a legend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, based on the age of our listeners, they know

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who Chris Berman is. Looking at the stats on the

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back end, they know Chris bur Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's ninety six percent mail all over thirty.

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Speaker 3: It's all millennial mails.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reference that works absolutely all.

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Speaker 2: Right, so welcome into our new subscribers, our new listeners.

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If you somehow found this after watching one of our

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sketches that little Robbie boy over there wrote and acted in.

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Speaker 5: Hello, but Dan beautifully shot and edited.

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Speaker 2: I'm not on air talent, and that's a great way

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to kind of get into this episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as the host for today, I'm not great on air.

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Speaker 2: We're behind the scenes peeling back the curtain with that

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transparent Yeah, but Scott, what's going on then?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, beautiful day. I had to miss Dungeons

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and Dragons for this, but you know, I'm sorry. You're

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looking forward to playing that, dude.

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Speaker 2: I know you have a happy you have a barred.

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Speaker 3: I have a barred named Sabrina Carpenter. He's a little

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halfling and he has a gene shorts that say short

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and sweet on the butt cheeks of them. Love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of a sexual confusing situation there, but it works.

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Speaker 3: You just ai Sabrina Carpenter as a halfling and it

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pops up. Yeah. Yeah, I just put that in the

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group chat, like, Hey, this is my character.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't know I from looking at him if you're

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unfamiliar with the show. But scott ex Military and that's

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why we actually have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Oh, a military themed episode my expertise. Yeah, as you

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can tell, I look like a homeless veteran today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you could. That's forever done. You could

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just say veteran.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I was homeless for a week once.

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Oh sick, and I mean immediately put on my insagram

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I'm a homeless vet. You have to the first night

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I was living in my car, I put.

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Speaker 1: It up the homeless gonna say, like, were you legally

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homeless or literally homeless? Because it's two different things, right, Like,

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you could be legally homeless where it's just like you

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don't currently have a residence, but you're sleeping at your

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parents or your friends or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I was sleeping in an attic of my buddy's house,

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uh in Indiana, no insulation. I slept in a sleeping

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bag because it was really cold at night. But his

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dad owned the house and he kicked me out.

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Speaker 2: Is this when you were driving a Brinks truck? Yeah yeah,

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yeah through Gary, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's the worst possible person you could

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have driving a money truck.

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Speaker 3: A homeless man. Yeah, yeah, but I had to bank

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what is it? Integrity? Is that what it's called? Yeah,

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not steal. Yeah, I'll protect that rich man's dollar at

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all costs. I did gain money here and there because

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you walk up to an ATM and a gas station

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that just has twenty dollars bills like in the little tray. Yeah,

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so I would just take those every once in a while.

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Speaker 5: Oh great, Yeah, you're just a little ATM vulture.

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Speaker 3: I think I won, Like all right, I won. I

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think I got eighty dollars total in my five years there.

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I just found twenties. Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, we bring you on or Jack or sometimes even

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coop to kind of be our shield when we want

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to talk military guns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shit that we are immediately guns, especially out of

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our depth, completely out of our depth. I'm like, yeah,

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that one. It makes more of a bang sound. Where's

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the other one?

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Speaker 2: I like guns, and I have shot in guns. I

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just don't know dick about them.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean guns are like cars to me. Right,

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I don't know what's going on, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I can't change my o.

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Speaker 1: No, no, the car is borderline magic for me, you

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know what I mean. Like, it's just I'm like a

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the like the dumbest version of a modern man, where

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I'm just like, you turn the key and you travel

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faster than humans were ever meant to travel.

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Speaker 3: Dopo boot boo, boot boop.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how any of it works. I'm just

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a modern man.

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Speaker 2: Ride in your machine horse.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: As far as guns go, like I probably know like

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ninety percent more than everyone, but you.

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Speaker 2: Are also you know, working for a major.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but in that ten percent of like gun company

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or gun nuts, I don't know, I'm like the bottom

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part of that percent, right right right, I'm like, hey,

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I just don't care enough about the internals of everything

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and bullet velocity and just like the those things that

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you get in the weeds of.

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Speaker 1: I Yeah, well it's I like to say, like about

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his history, right, Like I'm a one percenter, Like I

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feel like I know more than most people about history.

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But if you put me up against anyone that actually

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like knew a lot about history, I.

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Speaker 3: Would do very poorly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like I am a

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one percent of the same way some a family making

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five hundred k is a one percenter, but technically they're

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lumped in with Jeff Bezos. Yeah right, it's not the same.

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There's a huge gap, humongs gap.

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Speaker 3: So I'll do my best tonight and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Listen. Our thing rob is sports. And even now the

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older I get, the less I remember things. Information, names, Oh,

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it's all slipping away, so it's hard to keep up

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with At this point.

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Speaker 1: It used to be like I would hear like parents

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or something, be like he knows my son knows all these.

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Speaker 3: Sports players in the steff it's.

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Speaker 1: So impressive, and I'm like, no, it's not. Didn't I

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have to think about anything else. He's his whole fucking

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brain for that.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: And the only reason I really know anything about history

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is because of this podcast. And I did fantously get

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a five on the USAP History test.

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Speaker 3: Whoa boom? Is that good?

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Speaker 2: It's the highest score you can get.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: I got six credit hours in college for it.

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Speaker 3: Wow. I flunked my AP English class my junior year

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because I was like, I'm not going to college and

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they were like my teacher was like, I'm not gonna

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fail you because you're not trying. I'm gonna fail you

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because you do try. And then I just did the

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work and failed on that, and then she finally kicked

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me out.

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Speaker 2: Oh you failed on your merits, yes efforts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because well, I was just not doing

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any of the homework. They wanted me to do three

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book reports over the summer for the first day of.

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Speaker 2: The bullied ap US history teacher did not give us homework.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Nice.

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Speaker 5: We just a lot of papers, a lot of papers, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of papers, and it really came down to the

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test at the end.

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Speaker 3: I probably would have done great on whatever test, but

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I just didn't try it because I already knew I

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wasn't ever going to college.

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Speaker 2: So but I'm sure we've lost people with the preamble.

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Let's get to the topic today. We're talking about a

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Christmas party at West Point, Oh, specifically the famous eggnog

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riots know about this? Here about this?

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Speaker 3: Ro've never heard of this one?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think Jeff Davis is quite central to it.

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Speaker 2: He is, Yeah, Jeff Davis. Jeffy Davis starting trouble at

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a young age.

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Speaker 1: Always always given the authorities the what for someone on

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uh the sketch with Jack commented that the Union were fascists.

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Speaker 2: People are just throwing that out left and right. I

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don't think they know what then means.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was the side not fighting to keep people enslaved?

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The fascists? Yeah, that they were the bet the ones.

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Speaker 2: You sure about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there were fascists on either side of

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that a war, to be quite honest.

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Speaker 2: But West Point first opened in eighteen oh two. It

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was only after the War of eighteen twelve the Congress

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began to take the academy seriously, and Colonel Sylvanius Thayer

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was appointed as superintendent in eighteen seventeen to give it

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more legitimacy. Though Fayer was allowing alcohol at parties in

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his first eight years, he somehow changed his stance on

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the matter in eighteen twenty five.

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Speaker 1: By the way, like you didn't well, actually, I won't

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say this definitively. I don't think you had to be

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eighteen even to be at West Point at that time.

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Speaker 3: So there's like a sixteen year old there. It's like, ah,

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I have fun boy. Yeah, But I don't know where

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this was going. But I would say if he banned

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alcohol at parties for a military academy, that probably wouldn't

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Speaker 2: It's a bad time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about some of your best and worst Christmas

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experiences in the military. What's your saddest story you have

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from a Christmas overseas.

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Speaker 3: The saddest would just be I guess the first Christmas

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I had just gotten to Korea, like late November, and

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we had a month long winter.

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Speaker 2: Tree year old as hell Korea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, people forget. People don't really think they don't

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know what Korea's weather is. They're just like, uh, yeah,

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it's in Asia. It's I mean, it's basically like American

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type weather for the most war, where.

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Speaker 2: You think the same thing with Japan. But Japan, I

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think is like the country that has the most snowfall

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of any in the world, and that includes Russia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also Japan though gets hot as balls. Like

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during the Olympics a couple of years ago. I remember

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watching tennis and being like, They're like these players have

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never dealt with humidity on this level, and I was like, what, what.

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Speaker 3: Where are they Korea? It's really taking it out of

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superhumid the winners. I didn't know that cold hurts bones.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We had people from the Northern States in America being like, oh,

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this is cold here in Korea. Is youre a COWI boy, Yeah,

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I'm also I never lived in snow until this Christmas.

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just like sleeping outside doing drills, you know, kind of

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all day all night. But for actual Christmas, they gave

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us essentially a two day break, but we were still

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that they gave us shelter. They put us in a

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room with a bunch of bunk beds for Christmas, and

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we used a car tree air freshener for our Christmas tree.

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was just sad Christmas. We were all just sitting there like, yeah,

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this is our tree in this room full of thirty

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really smelly guys that haven't showered in two weeks, and

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that everyone was rubbing on their balls. Just yeah, at bit,

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there's so much cranking.

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air fresheners in the room for the amount of seamen

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that gets passed.

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Speaker 3: Well, you knew, because if if you were in the

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bottom bunk, you would hang over a poncho, Like from

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the top mattress, you would pull a poncho and kind

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of laid over your bunk for like only a halfway

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privacy because the other side can still see you, right,

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so half of the side couldn't see you cranking it.

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Speaker 1: But presumably if you all have the ponchos on the

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same side, Yeah, then technically no one's seeing indy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's how we had to do it. And

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that's just weird. Just a bunch of dudes, all right, guys,

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it's that time again. Let's all just crank. That's uh,

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that's how we That was our tensil for the Christmas

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tree was just a bunchet. Come we on the the pine.

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Speaker 2: Of Oh what.

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Speaker 3: I liked that.

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Speaker 1: This is also just like what people just if you

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forgot for a moment, what he's describing is the most

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elite fighting force in human history.

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Speaker 5: By a good stretch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it blows my mind how how much I didn't

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trust my guide to my left and right with a gun,

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and I'm like, we're still better than every other country. Yeah,

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it's insane.

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Speaker 5: Now, did you ever deal with any West pointers?

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Speaker 3: I actually did? Yeah, I was gonna go into that.

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I dealt with two. One was our XO, which is

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like the executive commander. I think he's the one underneath

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the captain of your company. You have a captain's in

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charge of the whole company, which is like one hundred people.

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Speaker 1: He kind of does like all the details of our EXO.

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Speaker 3: Was a west Point guy. He's actually I think he's

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he's in politics now. I saw him on Facebook running

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for something in Pennsylvania. Couldn't tell you what it was.

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Don't even know his name. And then I met a

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west Point running back who was attached to Fort Hood

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for like training essentially for like a week. They's attached

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like a guy to the infantry. And I didn't salute

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him because he was a fucking cadet. And he got

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really mad that I wouldn't salute him. Oh yeah, he

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doesn't have his rank yet, right, he just I think

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they have like little circle dots on their rank or something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not.

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Speaker 3: But he wanted me to salute him, and I was like,

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I don't even know your name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ude, not to mention the football players at west

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Point they're dirty as well, Yeah, chop blocking, hitting the knees.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I respect that though he's a

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running back. That's the he's the warhorse of that fuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting every single snap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was cool, but I didn't talk to

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the guy. I was also a huge asshole, So he

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would that come to me, like, hey, Lopez, what do

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you think about doing this? I think, nah, I don't.

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I don't know, sir, and I would just kind of

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walk away every time between you were twenty yeah, I

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was still twenty. I think everybody was just a dick

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when they were twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See there was other nineteen or twenty because I got

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out two weeks after I turned twenty one, so so

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you were the same age as him. Probably maybe he

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was a little older. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And I

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was like, dude, I at that point, I was already

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three years in, almost on my way out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like the typical you see it in

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movies all the time, but it's like it's true. But

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it's also like kind of a trope where it's just

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like dudes like enlisted who've been in for a while

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and some fresh new officer comes in.

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Speaker 3: They're like all right, boys, and they're all just like

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God damn it. Yeah, that was me to it ta. Yeah,

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that's not Also, it would be funny just to do that.

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They go, hey, I'm the new guy in charge of

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this platoon. I'd be like, nah, I know you're not.

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You suck dude.

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Speaker 1: The most elite fighting force in human history by quite

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a bit.

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Speaker 2: I imagine grunts have always felt that way. Imagine the

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rough Riders having to listen to Teddy. Yeah when he

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came in with his bullshit.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Get oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've said before Teddy's a bad hang and

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probably a bad commanding officer too.

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Speaker 5: There's that other one we did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so many people just like unnecessarily kill that. Sam

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Juan Hill probably did.

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Speaker 5: He was probably like there were machine guns on the

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top of that hill.

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Speaker 2: Literally, I think they took a hill and he was

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just like, all right, we're on to the next one there,

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Like can we just chill.

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Speaker 1: For just a minute please, And he's like, boys, bully

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you brave boys, bully to all of you.

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Speaker 5: May we long remember.

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Speaker 1: They're dead, And like there's just some guy with like

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his intestines out.

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Speaker 3: Like we could have called artillery. That's why I'm never

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surprised when like like a patune would like maybe put

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rat poison in their like lieutenant's coffee, just to make

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them sick. And then hey, now we're back in charge.

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We don't got to all go up this hill and die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're essentially put this band into place because of

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the Fourth of July festivities in eighteen twenty five that

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had devolved into chaos, and the Christmas Party in eighteen

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twenty five and the Fourth of July party in eighteen

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twenty six went on under these new alcohol free sanctions,

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but by December eighteen twenty six, Cadets were determined to

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not have to suffer through a third straight sober party.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you gotta remember this is there's there's a line,

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a hard line on what alcoholism in America is, and

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pre prohibition, it's unthinkable. Yeah, like just a level of

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drinking that is bananas.

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Speaker 3: There was a month in Korea where we weren't allowed

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to drink, and you know, I wasn't supposed to because

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I was eighteen, but no one really cared as long

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as you didn't get in trouble. I thought on base

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you were cool. No, No, it's still illegal because we're

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like federal government workers or whatever. Even off base, you

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couldn't drink anyways, we still would, but.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you drink if you like went out

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because Korea is probably eighteen, right, yeah, I mean they

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don't care.

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Speaker 3: As long as they see in American with money, they'll

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they'll serve you boosts. Yea, yeah, yeah. So I got

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my whole party and going to bars phase out of

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the way when I was eighteen because they didn't care.

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But for a month they stopped us from drinking because

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we were doing our pre training for our a course

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for the Expert Infentry Badge. And for some reason most

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of us like didn't drink, maybe because we were working

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at night all the time doing line navigation and shit.

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But the day that we finished this course, the booze

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were flowing. And again back to the greatest fighting force

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on Earth. I saw a squad leader and a team

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leader come out with like a stapler and they were

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stapling each other's foreheads just for fun. Then they went

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to their tongues, then their nipples, then their dicks, and

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then their buttholes with this stapler. And these and these guys,

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both of these guys had multiple like IRAQ deployment. These

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guys were bad ass. That makes it. I won't say

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their name, but one was really sweaty, one was really old.

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But I saw them spread their own butt cheeks while

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another guy went in there like a doctor and like

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surgically stapled this man's butthole.

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Speaker 2: That's just military lemon party. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But if I if I would like talk back to

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one of these guys, they would kick my ass. But

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on this day I saw both their buttholes while we

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were just smoking cigarettes out front. This is outside of

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our barracks.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to contaminate the barracks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for ass.

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Speaker 2: Bloody cadets soon devised a plan of smuggle alcohol on

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the campus to mix with their traditional eggnog. At Martin's tavern,

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cadets William R. Barnley of Alabama, Alexander J. Center of

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New York, and Samuel Alexander Roberts of Alabama almost got

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into a fight get in the whiskey. Back to West Point,

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Private James Dugan, the duty security guard, agreed to let

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the three cadets take a boat across the Hudson to

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smuggle the whiskey nice. Burnley, Center and Roberts doubled that

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promise and successfully obtained two US gallons of whiskey.

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Speaker 3: Leave it to a private to be like, you know what,

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fuck it, I don't care. Yeah, let's get two so

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two jugs of milk. What let these dudes cross and

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smuggle booze? That's what you have privates for. You make

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them do things. Yeah. I made my private buy me

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alcohol because I couldn't do it in Fort Hood, and

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he could when I was a team leader. I was nineteen,

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he was twenty two, and I beg, hey, his name

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is Matt, mcmatt, go buy me a bottle of jamison.

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He'd be like Roger, and you'd go and buy me

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a bottle. I would share it with him, but right right,

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I literally couldn't buy booze. So he was my plug

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for alcohol. I liked that he was like Roger, Yeah, Roger.

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Speaker 2: That they smuggled that into Room thirty three. Cadet TM

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Lewis of Kentucky also returned with one US gallon of

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rum from Benny's tavern to North Barrack Room number.

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Speaker 3: Five, so three gallons of hard liquor. Nice.

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Speaker 2: A Christmas party took place at Fair's residence, at which

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wine was served. So rules for thee but not for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's.

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Speaker 1: Fine because he's got the commander and there's other adults there, Like,

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it's not these dipshit kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: During the party, a conversation ensued between Thire and Major

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William J. Worth about disciplinary problems of one Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: Davis, always a troublemaker.

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Speaker 2: While at the North Barracks, cadets were getting ready for

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the party. Preparations included stealing bits and pieces of food

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during their visits to the mess hall took place. During

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this time, cadets resided in the South Barracks found out

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about the North Barrack party, and the next day, Christmas Eve.

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Into the early morning of Christmas Day, the eggnog party

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started among nine cadets in the North Barracks in Room

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twenty eight. Numerous cadets appeared as the party progressed, while

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another party began in Room five.

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Speaker 1: I missed that type of drinking, like where the drinking

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itself is so fun you don't even care who else

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is there. Yeah, I don't have that anymore.

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Speaker 2: The pregame, Yeah, you just just turns into a full

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time party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just happy to be drinking and it's like

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a novelty. Instead, it's like something I can go to

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the store twenty times a day for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean freshman year was tight.

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Speaker 3: Freshman year, all of high school.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you drank in high sto just felt like the

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coolest thing you could possibly be doing.

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Speaker 3: Back when you would drink jack and not try not

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to make a face because it's disgusting. Yeah, you're like, oh,

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this is so good, trying to depress some cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: To this day, I really cannot drink rum because of

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what Captain Morgan did to me one night in high school.

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Speaker 3: Like it's just impossible.

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Speaker 2: You thought you were so fancy if you got a

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bottle of Johnny Walker black, Yeah exactly, you're like, dude,

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it's mixed scotch.

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Speaker 1: I honestly probably drank better alcohol in high school than college,

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Like across the board.

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Speaker 2: I had some all time bad drinks in college. Yeah.

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Do you remember Sparks they like knock off four Loco? No,

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they used to sell it in pallettes, Oh god, for

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like nine dollars for a twenty four palette of Tallboys.

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Damn the pink Flats in Walgreens.

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Speaker 1: You remember that beer, Big Flats beer yeah, I did

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not drink Big Flats beer. We stuck with Natty mostly,

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but like in Daylight. The liquor, we had Walmart branded liquor,

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like just like Walmart vodka. They had a name for it.

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I don't member what it was. It might have been

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just like Sam's vodka or something like that. Horrific plastic bottle. Yeah, yeah, yep,

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00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:13,079
And it tasted like the bottle like it just the

470
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,400
bottle was what gave it its flame.

471
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: No matter what you mixed it with, it still tastes

472
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:17,640
like shit.

473
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 5: You've still got the plastic taste. Ten high whiskey.

474
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: Cadet Charles Whipple of Michigan, the Division Superintendent, went to

475
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,920
North Barracks Room number five at two am after hearing

476
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,440
a commotion interrupting eight singing cadets, including one Jefferson Davis.

477
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah nice.

478
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 2: Whipple returned to his room after a verbal exchange with Davis.

479
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,240
Lieutenant William A. Thornton was asleep while the events unfolded.

480
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,839
By four am, voices from the floor above were a

481
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,880
loud enough to cause faculty members to investigate room number

482
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,720
twenty eight, where Captain Ethan Allen Hitchcock knocked on the

483
00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:01,440
door and found six drunk cadets as well as two

484
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,640
others sleeping in their beds. Oh, they were they're passed out,

485
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,400
they were cudling. Hitchcock ordered two of the cadets back

486
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,880
to their rooms, and after they left, Hitchcock woke woke

487
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,359
up the two sleeping cadets and ordered them to leave

488
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,519
as well. Then he confronted cadet James W. M. Weems

489
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:25,200
Beeren of Georgia. Hitchcock gave a lecture to the residents

490
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,200
of the room for possessing alcohol on the premises, and

491
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:30,920
he left around four fifteen am.

492
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 3: What was Hitchcock's name again? Like first name?

493
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: Do you remember Ethan Allen Hitchcock?

494
00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: Okay, because there was a famous Civil War general. Oh

495
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,680
that was Hancock.

496
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 3: Fuck, I'm sorry. Yeah. I was like, oh, is it

497
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,960
this guy who is a Gettysburg.

498
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: There's a lot of famous people that are just like

499
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,759
made a lot of history that just walked.

500
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: Through those homes.

501
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

502
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: You know who's here at this time that does not

503
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,680
participate because he's a goddamn nerd.

504
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:53,319
Speaker 5: Picket or Lee Roberty Lee.

505
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, bitch, figure, he had nothing to do with this.

506
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,839
Lee is just no demerits.

507
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, out of door. Nark, absolute nark, total knock ves.

508
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: Hitchcock went down to his room to sleep. Three times

509
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,599
he heard knocks on the door, only to find that

510
00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:11,039
there was no one there, so they coult like ding

511
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,200
Don in his door.

512
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, that's fantastic.

513
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,039
Speaker 2: After finding another drunk cadet, Hitchcock saw Davis head to

514
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:24,799
room number five, where thirteen cadets were partying. Seeing Hitchcock's arrival,

515
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,839
Davis then started to warn everybody. The Captain entered the

516
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,880
room ordered one of the cadets to open up his

517
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,480
foot locker, but the cadet refused. Oh, Hitchcock ordered no

518
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,319
more disorder, left the room and started looking for Thornton

519
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,279
around four fifty.

520
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Scott, what you obviously weren't West Point, But

521
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:45,599
what the fuck would happen to you if an officer

522
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,640
came in said open your fucking foot locker right now

523
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,559
and you were like no.

524
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: I'm a bad example for that because I was a

525
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,000
real shithead, so I would have said no and tried

526
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,759
to like wheel my way out of it afterwards. But

527
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,720
for the most part, and like in regular army stuff,

528
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,279
if an officer tells you to do something like you

529
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,880
have to do it. If you don't, they just grab

530
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,160
your squad leader. Then your squadlader will just like either

531
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,799
beat the shit out of you or you know, make

532
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:12,960
you run up the hill or bear crawler. It'll smoke

533
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,440
you in some sort of physical aspect, and if you

534
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,680
really fuck up, you'll you'll just go in the tree

535
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,559
lane and fight it out. But I also revolted against

536
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,759
one of my officers, oh, with my whole platoon once.

537
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,079
How'd that go fucking great? Actually, uh, long story short,

538
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,759
but he tried smoking my squad leader because my squaaer

539
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,400
was kind of talking about what that's like, where's hey

540
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,839
do push ups, bear crawls, sit up, flutter kicks like

541
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:43,400
that kind of thing, like some sort of physical exertion punished.

542
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:45,359
Just you're just hazing me, making me your bitch like

543
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,960
you're so my squaler was kind of talking shit about

544
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,880
this is like lieutenant because he just he was a thork.

545
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,559
He made us do dumb shit. One of my guys

546
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,319
got frostbite on his hands because we were doing pet

547
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,279
in the snow without like proper gear on yep. So

548
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,279
he just he made dumb decisions and he tried smoking

549
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,880
our squad leader once and I found out about this,

550
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,400
so I got my whole patoon. I was like, hey,

551
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,400
if he's gonna smoke him, he's gonna smoke all of us.

552
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,359
So we run outside with all of our like our

553
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,160
gear on, like our our plate carriers and everything. Yeah,

554
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,359
and I was like, if you're going to smoke sargeant

555
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200
slang and you're gonna smoke all of us. Certain He's like, Okay,

556
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,039
go run to the AMMA building. So he ran to

557
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,720
the AMMA building, but we jogged it and then we

558
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,200
got information and marched back and uh, this this lieutenant

559
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,640
made our slogan conquer or Die, which was just gay

560
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,960
as fuck. Yep. Also, this is in Korea, Like nothing's

561
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,920
happening right in Korea, dude, grow up.

562
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts about Generation Kill, which, by

563
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,519
the way, rip to the actor who played Ray in

564
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:45,680
Generation Kill killed himself today or last night?

565
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, damn.

566
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,759
Speaker 1: I know the best character in Generation Kill, like by

567
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,599
a mile, even though there are a lot of great ones.

568
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,000
I like, how when like those dudes show up who

569
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,000
are like the like after the Marine recon and like

570
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,359
I don't know if they're like from Texas National Guard

571
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,880
or what, but they put like barbed wire on the

572
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,119
top of their home v and had like longhorn horns

573
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,720
on the front, and they like all the Marine reco

574
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,000
who were like pros, They're just.

575
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: Like fucking gay dude.

576
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 5: Fuck these guys, Yeah, these fucking losers.

577
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,599
Speaker 3: Yep. So yeah, that that shit happens. So we form

578
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,680
up in this formation and we were yelling cock or

579
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,839
die cock. I gus, we're just marching back to our

580
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,319
lieutenant and I we walk up there, ASH go fuck you, sir,

581
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,759
and then my squads like Lopez bro. And I was like,

582
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,920
all right, that was that was two full And all

583
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,839
this happened in front of the new lieutenant who was

584
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,759
taking over for Johnston. Don't I remember the lieutenants name

585
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:41,200
because I was I was out of Korea in a

586
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,559
couple of months, but Johnston was the guy we were

587
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,640
revolting against. The new lieutenant watched all of this happen

588
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,599
and he's like, this is my new platoon. What the fuck?

589
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,839
And a week later, this new lieutenant comes up and

590
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,480
he's like, so we're gonna change our name. Whatever platoon

591
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,440
name you guys want, you have today off enjoy the weekend.

592
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,319
And we were like this guy fucking rules because he

593
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,519
saw how shitty this other LT was and trying. Obviously,

594
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,960
it wasn't that one instance that made us like the

595
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:09,000
revolting thing.

596
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,519
Speaker 1: Well, that's like the whole literally the entire plot arc

597
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:13,960
of the first episode of Band of Brothers, right, yea.

598
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,839
They have Captain Sobull who's constantly like Hio Silver running.

599
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: Up the That was this. That was this guy, and

600
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,160
I feel bad for it now because he was trying

601
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
his best. And when when when I said fuck you sir,

602
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,680
and we were all standing at phone, but him, he

603
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,359
actually was like tearing up, like, guys, I'm just trying

604
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,359
to do my best and motivate you guys and x

605
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,000
y Z and we were.

606
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 5: Like, you were doing it wrong, but also.

607
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,519
Speaker 3: You were you were You were so fucking dumb and

608
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,440
making things so much harder than they had to be.

609
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:44,359
Speaker 2: Soft. Our generation so soft, you can't handle hard coaching. Yeah,

610
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,119
Bobby and I I could never coach nowadays.

611
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: No, he'd be canceled in like five. I mean, Mike

612
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,279
Leech got fired for throwing Craig James's kid in a shed.

613
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,079
Speaker 2: There was nothing wrong with that. He was helping him

614
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,720
with his concussion. Yeah, he was in protocol. He's like,

615
00:28:58,759 --> 00:28:59,640
he can't be in the sun.

616
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:00,759
Speaker 3: Sheds are cool.

617
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: I think like Texas's quarterback David ashback in the day

618
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,319
literally had to stay in his dorm in the dark

619
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,039
for like a month and a half because he had

620
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,000
so many concussions.

621
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:12,079
Speaker 3: Good lord, damn.

622
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:13,839
Speaker 2: Wow.

623
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: So wait, how old was this lieutenant? Probably twenty two

624
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,160
twenty three, okay, so not much older than you.

625
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: Well what age you normally graduate college?

626
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

627
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,839
Speaker 3: So yeah he was a second lieutenant. Yeah, that's that's

628
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,480
that's the first lieutenant. Yeah, so he was one of those.

629
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:29,480
He might have gotten his first lieutenant while he was

630
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,640
in charge of us, but yeah, he was crushy. Yeah.

631
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Say, my grandpa was a second lieutenant for about half

632
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,240
of World War Two and then got promoted to first lieutenant.

633
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: After the Battle of the Bulch. I think, yeah, that

634
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,599
makes sense.

635
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he wasn't actually in the World War two

636
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
battle though it was a different Battle of the Bulch.

637
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: It was gay pornography.

638
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why he got promoted.

639
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, they're like he took that

640
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:53,359
bold real good.

641
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: So Thornton was awakened by loud Yell's and, once out

642
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,000
of his room, was attacked by two cadets. Thornton then

643
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,880
put Cadet William P. M. Fitzgerald of New York under

644
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,519
arrest for brandishing a weapon. Cool Fitzgerald retreated from Thornton.

645
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,160
Then two cadets in room number twenty nine were also arrested.

646
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,839
Noises erupted from the South Barracks, which distracted Thornton. While

647
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,960
going to investigate the commotion, Thornton was knocked out by

648
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Samuel Alexander Roberts, who had been ejected from room number

649
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,440
twenty eight by Hitchcock earlier that evening. So he ran

650
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,920
in and literally just knocked his ass out, just cold

651
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,480
cocked up.

652
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,359
Speaker 3: This all makes total fucking sense. My god.

653
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: At this point though, Jefferson Davis, he's asleep.

654
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: He's clocked out for the night, he's.

655
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 2: Drunk as hell, just passed out. Yeah, So anything that

656
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,880
happens after this point, it's just like, that's not my fault.

657
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:53,759
Speaker 3: That was Sometimes the best move is on whatever given day,

658
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,480
you just get as drunk as possible, as fast as possible,

659
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,319
so you go to sleep and then when you wake up, like, hey,

660
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,400
so and so is in the hospital, or these two

661
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,880
guys got into a fight and broke this dude's nose.

662
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,960
But you're like, oh, I was sleeping. I wasn't around that.

663
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,319
Speaker 1: That's also a great strategy for I assume a job

664
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,480
where you don't get a lot of sleep, right, yeah,

665
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,359
Like you wake up early at least, so like on

666
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,880
your off day when you're drinking, you're like, you know what,

667
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,200
it's noon, I'm gonna get just shit face drunk for

668
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,039
the next four hours, go to sleep at five and

669
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,400
sleep for twelve hours.

670
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,759
Speaker 3: What also helped I learned this granted still underage, but

671
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,519
my like upper leadership didn't know how old I was,

672
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,640
and so I would get off work, go to the gym,

673
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,119
and then just start drinking immediately. So if they're like, oh,

674
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,319
hey we lost a pair of night vision everyone wants

675
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,440
to come back to the company to look for it.

676
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
I'd be like, oh, I'm drunk. I can't report for duty. Yeah,

677
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,279
and they were like fuck god again. You know, even

678
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:51,640
if if it was a day off too and I've

679
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,079
had nothing planned, I was in the barracks at nine

680
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,680
am cracking a beer and they can't say shit, right,

681
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000
yeah they can. If they looked into me being nice

682
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,759
teen or twenty, they could have h like demoted me

683
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,319
and took my payaway and shit like that. But they

684
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200
never did that much. It's also just paperwork and people

685
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,880
don't want to do that kind of stuff exact, Yeah,

686
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,440
the paperwork.

687
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,039
Speaker 1: And also like again, you're not on a front. Yeah,

688
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,519
you know what I mean, you're not in a war.

689
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, in Afghanistan, we never drank anything like that was

690
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:19,839
just a no.

691
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Go, and then the DMZ could just pop off at

692
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:22,799
any point.

693
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,519
Speaker 3: True. We were looking forward to that the interview. That

694
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,160
movie came out while I was in Korea. So you

695
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,440
guys know how Kim Jong U all hands on deck? Yeah, yeah,

696
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,680
so we were like, I've threatened into like nuke America.

697
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,640
We were like def Con A or whatever the fucking

698
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,839
the highest level of alert is, which just meant nothing

699
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,680
for us. Yeah, but I did watch the interview in

700
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,759
a movie theater with a bunch of Korean soldiers. It's

701
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,119
one of the highlights of my life. Like at the

702
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,680
end spoiler when Kim Jong U gets blown up out

703
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,720
of with that tank in.

704
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Helicopter to firework dude.

705
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the stadium or the theater erupt with these

706
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
South Korean soldiers just laughing and cheering. It was one

707
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,079
of the coolest things I've ever seen in my life. Awesome.

708
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,720
And they're like, oh, he's so fat, He's so fat,

709
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:11,720
and I'm like, yeah, he is. It was just electric.

710
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: Were you at any point just like, god, damn it

711
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,519
seth Rogan, like when you had to do extra shit, Yeah, mother,

712
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:18,240
right fucker.

713
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,599
Speaker 3: The worst part about Korea was once a month we

714
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,200
would have like a drill of like if North Korea attacked,

715
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,799
and it was always at like four am on a weekend. Well, yeah,

716
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,920
they're not doing it too, and so we would be

717
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,640
drinking until two am, which is our curfew. We had

718
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,319
a curfew there, which was gay, and then they wake

719
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,680
us up a betfore, like, hey, you need to get

720
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,920
every single piece of equipment. You have two are like tanks,

721
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:44,079
strap them up, get ammo, get your guns. And it

722
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:45,759
was like an all day event just to sit there

723
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,799
and during this drill.

724
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,079
Speaker 5: That sounds like a living hell.

725
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: Once a month you just be hammered with like one

726
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,119
hundred plus pounds of gear. I was a machine gunner,

727
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,799
so I had to carry my tuffle bag, my chemical gear,

728
00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:00,680
so like a gas mask and chemical clothing closed for

729
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920
like a couple of weeks, so you had your rucksack,

730
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
your duffel bag, my assault bag with my ammo and

731
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,199
my spare barrels in it, plus all my gear. It

732
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,000
was like one hundred and fifty probably pounds. I have

733
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,719
to just walk a mile to our trucks. Load them up,

734
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,599
Go grab my ammo, grab the machine gun. Fuck. I

735
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:19,360
think you just sat there for eight hours. The command

736
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,119
walked around and checked it. Oh you got all of

737
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,440
your stuff. Good job.

738
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 5: When you say machine gunver you saw?

739
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,119
Speaker 3: Yeah? I had a saw. Yeah, it was cool. I

740
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,239
had a saw. I was in a scout, a scout team,

741
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,360
so they all had like M one ten sniper rifles

742
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,320
or like in fours, and I was like their support dude. Okay,

743
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,280
so like, hey, if anything happened, you just shoot a

744
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,840
lot of AMMA while we run away.

745
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's pretty tight. You just sit in

746
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:43,719
the back and lay down cover fuck until we.

747
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: Were like literally crawling up mountains sometimes. Yeah, like I'd

748
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,000
be on my hands and knees, like climbing a mountain

749
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,440
with one hundred and something pounds worth of machine guns

750
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,320
and AMMO and barrels, and that part sucked. But you

751
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,920
wouldn't wouldn't have an assistant gunner. No, saws don't have

752
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,360
that's a two forty okay, so the gun team that's like,

753
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,760
that's like the bigger machine gun. That's where you have

754
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,639
a guy with the tripod and thinks, okay.

755
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: That's why you're here. Yeah, you gotta clarify that.

756
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, you're right. Yeah, but yeah, a sawgunner carries

757
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,159
all their own AMMO, and your spare barrels and all

758
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:16,000
that kind of stuff. That makes sense.

759
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: So it's more like the saw is more like the

760
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,079
World War two coolent of like the bar Yes, exactly.

761
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:21,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

762
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: Around five am, Hitchcock returned to his room number eight,

763
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,280
where he was staying. Several cadets then attacked his door

764
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,880
and even fired a shot into the room through the door.

765
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:35,679
Speaker 3: Fuck do they live? Ammo? I mean it makes sense,

766
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,679
but that's cool.

767
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: But can you imagine drunkenly trying to load a pistol

768
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,119
in eighteen twenty You're just like, like there's times i

769
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,840
can't even like put my password into my phone because

770
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,079
I'm I'm like so drunk that like my face doesn't

771
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:54,800
even look right. Like bit like imagine you're like you

772
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,119
gotta take the powder, like.

773
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: And then like jam it down and then get the ball.

774
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: And then cock it and you gotta put the little

775
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440
percussion thing on there. Yeah, to be like you get

776
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,000
and that's like a little like you're just like like

777
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,039
you're seeing four fucking things to put it on.

778
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: You're like, it's like severely overpowdered and over pressured.

779
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,599
Speaker 1: It's either severely overpowdered or you've you've spilled half the

780
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,400
powder on the floor, so it's just not even capable

781
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,280
of killing anyone.

782
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,079
Speaker 3: Just a curnade in your hand.

783
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,679
Speaker 2: I'm honestly disappointed they didn't roll in a cannon.

784
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's got to be a lot of them all

785
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:40,360
over the place. Current day bases just have cannons for

786
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,159
like artwork.

787
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,199
Speaker 2: Do eternities have cannons in their front yards that they

788
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,400
just blow what occasionally?

789
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: That's cool.

790
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: That's the thing of my school.

791
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:48,519
Speaker 3: Uh.

792
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: The fraternity one night decided it'd be sweet to shoot

793
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,800
off their.

794
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: Non functional cannon, wasn't it.

795
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: Micah.

796
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,039
Speaker 3: Micah was potentially involved in that.

797
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of our friends.

798
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,679
Speaker 1: Uh, and they just jammed obviously didn't have like straight gunpowder, right,

799
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,239
so they just jammed it to the brim whole barrel

800
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:11,119
with fireworks and lit it and the cannon the actual

801
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:16,000
cannon exploded off the rig or whatever the wheels and

802
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,159
shot across the street into an apartment building. Oh dude,

803
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,679
what the The legend the the sort of like urban

804
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:31,440
legend is that it went through and then went down

805
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,039
through at least one floor. And the urban legend is

806
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,760
that two dudes or a couple people were playing either

807
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,760
ping pong or beer pong and it just went right

808
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,239
through their fucking ping pong table deservingly.

809
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,039
Speaker 3: So that would be so cool. Oh man, that's awesome.

810
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: Hitchcock then opened his door after they fired a shot

811
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,760
through it and yelled that he just yelled at the

812
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,920
cad has stop, I'm tired of your tomfoolery. Like the

813
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,480
fired it's just like almost potentially could have shot you.

814
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: They don't know what he's doing in there.

815
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they didn't peek through the keyhole to be like, okay, cool,

816
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,639
he's not behind the door.

817
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:07,599
Speaker 2: We can shoot through it, and he just, you know,

818
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,320
Willy Nelly opens the door like it's fine. Then he

819
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,199
makes arrest, though he makes a rest on the guys

820
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:13,079
that shot into the door.

821
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: Boys.

822
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: Several of the drunken cadets thought Hitchcock was getting the

823
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,840
bombarders to squash the riot using heavy weapons, causing several

824
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,519
cadets who were not drunk to take up arms in

825
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:29,559
defense of the North Barracks.

826
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,039
Speaker 3: Just for their boys, for their boys.

827
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Okay, oh okay, yeah, okay, like everyone that's sober man

828
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,440
the front line, the rest of us.

829
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm puken.

830
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: Finally there had been awoken around five am by the

831
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,000
sound of the drums. He ordered his aid Patrick Murphy

832
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:50,039
to get Major Worth because of what he had heard

833
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,320
going on in the North Barracks. Hitchcock continued restoring order

834
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,760
in the North Barracks, getting into a fight with cadet

835
00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:58,920
Walter Ot.

836
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,639
Speaker 1: This guy's just been throwing hands all night, Yeah, all night,

837
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,960
getting shot, Like every hour he has to get into

838
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,559
a fistfight, and yeah.

839
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 5: People are shooting through his door.

840
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Still, I still appreciate that they were Just like Blase,

841
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,280
I've had it, like Scott, what would have happened if

842
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,159
you did you have a service pistol.

843
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 3: In Korea or not? In Afghanistian?

844
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,519
Speaker 1: I did? What would have happened if you fired your

845
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:26,239
service pistol through a commander's door?

846
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,039
Speaker 3: I would have either gotten killed myself, just out of

847
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,000
the chaos of it, but definitely gotten kicked off of base,

848
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,960
probably put in like the what Levenworth, like the military prison.

849
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,159
I mean, we had dudes, partially maybe accidentally or on purpose,

850
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,719
open up with a machine gun on some like Afghan

851
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,320
Army guys. Probably they were they were probably looking suspicious,

852
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,199
but they just opened up with like a burst of

853
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,559
machine gun on some Afghan Army dudes and they got

854
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,239
kicked out of our base. Like so that you know,

855
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,800
I was on. I was on a special oper rations compound.

856
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960
But that's the only reason why even deployed was those

857
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,079
guys shot out a bunch of Afghan dudes and then

858
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,960
they got kicked out of the base and had to

859
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,880
get replaced. And so that's why I went out of

860
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,320
the base, but not out of the military I have.

861
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,199
I don't know. I didn't know who they were, yea, yeah, yeah,

862
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,320
fair enough. I would imagine they didn't get like in

863
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,079
too much trouble because they're just like Afghan dudes and

864
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,119
we didn't care. But if I had opened up on

865
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,880
the commanding officer, I would have you'd be either gotten

866
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,239
killed or put in jail for sure.

867
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and as one boy that was actually helping him, Thornton,

868
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,800
he got knocked out. He was just in the stairwell.

869
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, out cold.

870
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: Terrible for you by the way, to just be knocked

871
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,840
unconscious and laying there for hours and hours on end.

872
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: On a staircase to your body's all fucked up, like,

873
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,559
oh God.

874
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,639
Speaker 2: Hitchcock Metworth and told him what had taken place. By

875
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:54,239
this time, Thire's aid had arrived to the North Barracks guardroom.

876
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:57,880
The second artillery had arrived to the North Barracks by

877
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,639
six oh five.

878
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 3: Wait they brought artillery or the unit? Is the artillery unit?

879
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:04,119
Speaker 2: The artillery unit?

880
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that might have been Lee. I believe Lee

881
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,159
was an artillery officer.

882
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,599
Speaker 2: North Barrack residents who were not drunk from the ignog

883
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:18,320
were appalled by the damage property because they weren't cool

884
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,480
enough to be invited to the party.

885
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: Probably yeah, it's I'm sure Robert E. Lee showed up

886
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,360
and we was just like, how dam are they defile

887
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,079
this beautiful institution?

888
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: And Jeff Davis's future boss is like, shut.

889
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:37,119
Speaker 3: Up, you queer fucking bitch waking up still drunk. Yeah,

890
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,480
fuck you, Bobby, you are just the games motherfucker. I

891
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,280
fucking hate you, dude. It was a thing that if

892
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,840
you weren't an alcoholic in the infantry, we just didn't

893
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,519
like you as much like in work outside of work,

894
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,559
So that makes sense. If you weren't slamming, yeah, if

895
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,239
you weren't just partying in your ass off you were

896
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,800
like a sober or just like a quiet dude that

897
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,320
didn't talk, you just got bullied in work outside of work.

898
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,840
If we were drunk, we'd like we had like the

899
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,039
room code to them. We'd be like wake up, keiros

900
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,039
and like you should throw like whip cream at him

901
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:12,360
and shit.

902
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: And there was my freshman year of college by fucking

903
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:22,079
fraternity pledge. Brother's girlfriend's roommate was like this quiet mouse

904
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,639
of a girl who loved Harry Potter. Looking back, this

905
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,679
is like I'd feel really bad about it. I didn't

906
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,800
do anything but other than laugh in the corner. But

907
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:33,559
like and he was like he would just like fuck

908
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,920
the shit out of his girlfriend while this girl who

909
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,920
had clearly not been exposed to anything her entire life,

910
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:42,840
was just in there. And then he's like, like it

911
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,760
was just this nice little girl who liked Harry Potter

912
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,000
and her parents were overprotective. And she gets to college

913
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,960
and my like piece of shit for turney brother is

914
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,960
just like taking his wet dick out and in the

915
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,239
fucking room and slamming his girlfriend, probably getting it like

916
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,760
sixty niningering and his fucking dick six blasting in the room.

917
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 3: And at one point he's like, oh, dude, you gotta

918
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,679
come over and meet my girlfriend's roombait. She fucking sucks.

919
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,880
And I was like drunk, and I was like, okay,

920
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,800
I go over there. And we go in the room and.

921
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: His girlfriend's like she asleep, and he's like, what's this

922
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,760
bitch asleep?

923
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: Fucking what a fucking loser. And he goes up to

924
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,760
her and he's like, are you at sleep?

925
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,519
Speaker 1: And she clearly isn't, and it's just closing her eyes

926
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,039
hoping this all ends as quickly as possible. And he's like, oh,

927
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,480
did she just sleep? Check this out? And he just

928
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:37,039
takes his beer.

929
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: Could be have beers with us.

930
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: He just takes his beer and just pours it on

931
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,960
her head, pours it on her head, and she still

932
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:48,559
just stays so still, and it's just like please go away.

933
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,239
And I'm like sitting in the corner like uh, I

934
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,079
think we should leave.

935
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:03,199
Speaker 3: Mark. Yeah. I would see her around campus.

936
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,199
Speaker 1: Sometimes it'd be like, like just beb like midwestern and

937
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,159
never reading the room right or just being too polite

938
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:11,800
or whatever. I'd just be like hey, and she'd be like,

939
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,239
she's terrified if you Yeah, like I gotna do anything.

940
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 2: Some of the cadets that were drinking remained in their

941
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,079
rooms and kept drinking six o'clock in the morning, although

942
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,559
some appeared in parade formation despite being drunk.

943
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 3: Done a little bit, a half and half done that

944
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,280
quite a bit. Ye.

945
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,119
Speaker 2: Captain McKay, Academy Quartermaster took down details of the damages

946
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,159
to the property at the North Barrack so Paris could

947
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:43,840
take place the following days. I think roughly five thousand

948
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,119
dollars worth of damages at that time were done at

949
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,039
the Eggnog Riot.

950
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: That's a big number.

951
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:55,639
Speaker 2: Nice five thousand dollars in eighteen twenty six whatever.

952
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: That would be.

953
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: The inflation calculator does not go back that far, like

954
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,719
you can google it, but like the actual inflation calculator

955
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,360
only goes back.

956
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: To like nineteen ten. Oh wow, yeah, but my guess is.

957
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,679
Speaker 1: Five grand I'm thinking that's at least ten X that's

958
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,760
probably close to one hundred grand of damage.

959
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,679
Speaker 2: Many cadets who were drunk made it to company roll

960
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,119
call at six point twenty. The mutiny officially ended when

961
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:22,559
Cadet Captain James AJ. Bradford of Kentucky called the corps

962
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,960
to attention and dismissed them from the mess hall after breakfast.

963
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:31,320
Captain Hitchcock and Lieutenant Thornton were bruised, Thornton probably more

964
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,519
so than Hitchcock. Thornton's ego too, probably Bruce getting knocked

965
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,599
out by a younger Joe.

966
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: If he wasn't looking at the guy, you know what

967
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,960
I mean, Like you're just standing there and some guy

968
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,639
was like, fucked you and just like punched him in

969
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,320
the side of the head. Like whatever, that's not on you.

970
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,960
You didn't lose a fight like some guy he just fucking.

971
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: Swung on you. It's still gonna be amo used against.

972
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,119
Oh yeah, that's the sad part about it.

973
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,119
Speaker 2: Fair didn't really know what to do with the cadets

974
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:57,360
that went out of line.

975
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 3: It sounds like it was half the half the school.

976
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,039
Speaker 2: He's like ninety people.

977
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 5: And it wasn't. I don't know how many people go

978
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,039
to West Point now.

979
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: But back then it was like I think it was

980
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,159
over two hundred.

981
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it wasn't a huge amount.

982
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,639
Speaker 3: Well that's probably like when you asked what happened when

983
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,639
we revolted against that lieutenant, Like, I don't know what

984
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,440
he could have done. Yeah, Like he could have done

985
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,199
the paperwork to like demote all of us and put

986
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,280
us on extra duty and take like I think it's

987
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,559
like a half half month's pay or maybe a full

988
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,000
month's pay that he could have done all that, I guess,

989
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:31,119
but he was on his way out because we had

990
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,039
that new lieutenant coming in that washed everything.

991
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: Also, sorry, officially two hundred and sixty cadets total at

992
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,000
the school at the school in ninety had been involved

993
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,400
in the idea.

994
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was the third almost or a little over

995
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:42,760
a third.

996
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: The other thing too, is that, like again this is

997
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,000
a plot point in the first episode of Band of Brothers.

998
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:52,119
Is that like eventually it reflects poorly on the officer. Yeah,

999
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,679
if you have to do that to your entire unit, yeah,

1000
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,960
because then his higher ups are like, what the fuck

1001
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,840
is going on that it got to this point?

1002
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,199
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

1003
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of handing down a blanket punishment to all

1004
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:11,119
those involved. West Point conducted a total investigation in January

1005
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:15,039
of eighteen twenty seven. One and sixty seven witnesses were

1006
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:19,320
called to testify, including cadet Robert E. Lee, who had

1007
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,519
not participated in the riot. But you know, it was

1008
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:24,199
just it was around.

1009
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,079
Speaker 1: Called to testify. Huh, testify, testify, narc called to narc.

1010
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,519
Speaker 2: Seems like we called it.

1011
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 3: That's embarrassing, called our shot. There's a lot of things

1012
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,079
you could say about Robert E.

1013
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,639
Speaker 1: Lee if even if you like him, But I will

1014
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,760
say this, you cannot possibly possibly debate that he was

1015
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,320
a good hang.

1016
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, there's no.

1017
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,119
Speaker 1: World in which I mean, at least you know, George Washington,

1018
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:50,079
at least you'll be having an ice cream party.

1019
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: But Lee. The investigation led to nineteen court martial proceedings.

1020
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,119
Speaker 3: Oh wow, damn okay.

1021
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: Nineteen cadets were found guilty and expelled from West Point.

1022
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,119
Jefferson Davis was not one of them. How Jefferson Davis

1023
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:12,159
was allowed to stay.

1024
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 5: Well, he didn't shoot the gun.

1025
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: Well, he just got drunk and passed out for the Yeah,

1026
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,199
presumably didn't punch anyone in the face, didn't get the booze.

1027
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't didn't get the booze.

1028
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: Was just the main player, and once they had the booze,

1029
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,199
we're gonna organize the parties. Yes, just had fun vocal

1030
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,559
party goer.

1031
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:36,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hero of the story, you could say, And

1032
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,280
that is the story of the Eggnog riots.

1033
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,679
Speaker 2: What your boys learned today.

1034
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,079
Speaker 3: This just sounds I mean, I learned about the whole

1035
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,800
the whole thing. But it sounds like this the same

1036
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,639
thing that happens nowadays in our military. Currently, as you

1037
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:59,239
get drunk, you fight someone, hopefully not your own command structure.

1038
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,639
Speaker 5: Hopefully are getting a fist fight with your fucking captain.

1039
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,159
Speaker 3: But like I've seen, I've seen fist fights between like

1040
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,679
sergeants and like privates. I tried fist fighting some of

1041
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,239
my soldiers when I was a team leader. That was

1042
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,280
not allowed all of a sudden.

1043
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,679
Speaker 2: You guys didn't have like fight night.

1044
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,079
Speaker 3: No, not not in Fort Hood. Fort Hood was was

1045
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,119
way different than Korea. Korea was still like kind of

1046
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,400
old school in those ways because it's only a one

1047
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,119
year rotation. So we had a bunch of dudes from

1048
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,599
like one hundred and first Airborne and like Ranger Battalion,

1049
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,760
like some really heavy hitters that have deployed multiple times

1050
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:33,480
and they know they're just there for a year. So

1051
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:35,920
that's where it was. It was kind of chaotic, also

1052
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,239
very like strict on things, and we trained a lot,

1053
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,960
did a lot of cool stuff. But that's where I

1054
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,960
saw and learned that if you can't like smoke someone

1055
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,119
enough to where they listened to you and like obey

1056
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:51,199
your commands or orders, you just beat the shit out

1057
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,039
of them. We had a we had a dude named

1058
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:59,159
Sergeant Joseph shout out he's tight, but he he would

1059
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,840
tell me or out hear him yell when he get drunk,

1060
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,559
like I'm tired of getting Private's blood on my uniform,

1061
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,760
And I was like, is he is he serious about that?

1062
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,760
You know'd he the tiny little guy I saw he

1063
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,199
I must see him fight like six fucking dudes like

1064
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,400
over the course of that year, and he beat the

1065
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,119
ship out of every single one of them, to include

1066
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:20,199
this like six foot three guy from Kentucky and like, sorry,

1067
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,960
Joe was five to six at on his best day.

1068
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,719
That's a dangerous man. But he's also like old school

1069
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:32,639
iraq vet just like fucking chaos. And when he would

1070
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:34,960
say that I'm tired of getting Private's blood on my uniform.

1071
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,039
I saw it multiple times where he did, because he

1072
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,920
would bust their nose and just get blood on him

1073
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,559
and he'd get mad. Then he would make that private

1074
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,239
biomen in a uniform Jesus Christ or a new top

1075
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,239
at least. But that was that was fucking tight. Yeah,

1076
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,360
and then I tried to emulate that, and then my

1077
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,480
petun insarction was like, Lopez, you cannot do that at

1078
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,800
any at any time, fight one of your own dudes.

1079
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be crazy though. It's like that Hang

1080
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,880
Arnold episode. If you're smaller, Oh yeah, you just gotta

1081
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,400
be crazy. Nobody wants to fight a crazy guy.

1082
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1083
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: My friend Josh actually adhered to that episode and he

1084
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:11,880
was nuts. He was. He wasn't a big guy. It

1085
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,639
was like one hundred and forty pounds probably five nine,

1086
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,480
and whenever he started a fight, and he always started

1087
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,840
the fight, he would just headbutt people in the nose.

1088
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,800
Oh yeah, and usually knock them out nice.

1089
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good way. That's a good opener.

1090
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 5: You take out the nose, they're not gonna want to

1091
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:29,639
do anything.

1092
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you take out like their vision comes with it.

1093
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1094
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1095
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: The minute somebody got in his face though, he just

1096
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,599
went just really quick. That's awesome, knocked out a couple

1097
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:38,719
of people from this whole thing.

1098
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 3: They fought like well the North and the South barracks

1099
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,000
kind of or you know, they don't then they just

1100
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:46,079
fight their command. But there was that like party line here.

1101
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,320
That's how it was for us in Korea. Uh, the

1102
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,239
taxi line would drop off our sister company, like you know,

1103
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,320
to our west or whatever. So when the taxi would

1104
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,159
drop off Able Company soldiers, they'd have to walk in

1105
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,400
front of our company like barracks, and we'd all be

1106
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,320
drunk smoking cigarettes out front, and we'd see this Able

1107
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,679
Company guys, which they're also infantry in our battalion, and

1108
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,880
we'd be like, the fuck Able Company is that that

1109
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,920
whole thing? Imagine France kind of do that shit. Yeah,

1110
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,039
and we so we would just start fights with whoever

1111
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:18,599
was walking.

1112
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:19,519
Speaker 2: We're tribal people.

1113
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: And then every once in a while we'd be like, hey,

1114
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,559
Able Company, go find three guys to fight us, and

1115
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,599
they would like walk back inside their barracks and they'd

1116
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,280
come out with their three biggest dudes and we'd be like,

1117
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,440
oh shit. And then we were just like all right,

1118
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:34,760
then the five of us would go just fight these dudes.

1119
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,079
But we did that so many times that our battalion

1120
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,559
commander kicked us out of our battalion area of operations

1121
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:46,360
are AO. He literally banished us from our area and

1122
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,280
moved us a mile and a half away on top

1123
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,480
of this mountain to be completely by ourselves. The next

1124
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:56,440
closest building to us was the Alcohol Substance Abuse Program building,

1125
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,719
which also really fitted us because I had to do that.

1126
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,559
They mandatory made me do that once. But then we

1127
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,679
had a walk. We had a march a mile and

1128
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,840
a half every day to Pete at the company command area.

1129
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,800
It's just warm up. And then when we had those

1130
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,719
stupid drills of like hey North Korea is attacking. Yeah, yeah,

1131
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,760
instead of moving all of our gear like a couple

1132
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,840
hundred yards, it was now a mile and a half.

1133
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,079
Speaker 2: What's the song they play every morning just start drills.

1134
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:27,159
Speaker 3: It's Reverie Yeah yeah yeah. Then retreat is the one

1135
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:34,519
where the flat comes down. But yeah we taps, No,

1136
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,000
it was retreat. Taps is different than retreat, but yeah, yeah,

1137
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,800
I think, yeah, I don't know.

1138
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: They don't play hot crossbunds.

1139
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: They should, they really should have morale.

1140
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:47,679
Speaker 2: H who's today's hitler?

1141
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: Uh?

1142
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:51,199
Speaker 3: Lee? What say.

1143
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,599
Speaker 2: Forgetting nineteen of his boys expelled?

1144
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:56,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think he testified. I think he Yeah, I

1145
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:57,800
think he said some names.

1146
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:01,639
Speaker 3: You can't testify. That's fucked up. Yeah. Then they get

1147
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:06,519
expelled and then what hobo's yeah homeless veterans, Yeah he's Yeah,

1148
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:08,440
he put nineteen people street.

1149
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: Are they veterans? They're not veterans?

1150
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: Uh, technically failed students, so technically they are. Apparently, because

1151
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,280
if I believe, I believe Shane Gillis said that he

1152
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,079
got ribbons for being in the military during the Iraq

1153
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,960
War whatever, because he was at West Point for a year.

1154
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1155
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: Really well.

1156
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: He also famously says that he was on SNL, was

1157
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,360
in the army and played college football and like he

1158
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,840
gets all of those accuolades and accomplished or did none

1159
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,679
of those Yeah.

1160
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like he was technically part of all

1161
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:46,599
three but saw zero seconds of field stage or combat.

1162
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. Yeah, put it on the resume, count it.

1163
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks good on the resume.

1164
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: Anyway. That's our episode for today. We love you guys,

1165
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,880
Thanks for tuning in. Scott, Happy Christmas.

1166
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: Dude, Stop saying that man.

1167
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: Happy Christmas, Scott, Happy Christmas, Harry. They don't do that

1168
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,519
in Mexico.

1169
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: Why would I know what happens in Mexico.

1170
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,559
Speaker 5: Belize Navidad? Does I think mean happy Christmas?

1171
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Speaker 3: Yeah? That is true. Oh yeah, Philly, like happy Birthday?

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Is Felice Compliano's.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Felice is happy.

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Speaker 3: It's not Mary. So yeah, the Mexicans are wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: I wanna wee is you are made? I wanna wee

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is you are mad? I wanna we ish you? I

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mad Christmas from the bottom of me and robs Ha.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Scott, Yeah, you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Insight is always, you know, valued.

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Speaker 3: This is a good one. I didn't go into any

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sort of like military tactics or anything. It was just

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partying and fighting and that's.

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Speaker 2: Really all we care about.

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Speaker 3: That's all I want to hear. Yeah, the actual cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where can the people find.

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Speaker 3: Lastro Lopez on Instagram? That's about it, all right?

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Speaker 2: Check us out on our YouTube if you haven't already

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watched the shorts. We got a couple coming this week

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as well. Check out Patreon patreon dot COM's Last Softcore History.

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We get two additional episodes every week on the Low Tier,

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every Wednesday and Friday. We will not miss this week.

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We will have those episodes we don't miss. We don't

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miss Nice and Rob. I haven't talked to you about this,

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but I figured I would just do it on air.

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I think starting January first. Okay, prices for the Patreon

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will go up. However, if you get in before, you

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will be grandfathered into the price. Okay, So anybody, but

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anyone that's on the Patreon right now, you're good. You're

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Gucci as long as you don't delete it, you don't cancel,

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and if you do and you come back, maybe we

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can figure it out. Ye, manually, one on one, just

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DM me. But yeah, get in now. Well it's still

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five dollars. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like, if you were a long time subscriber but you

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forgot that your old card was on the on the account,

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we'll hook you up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But if you've kind of been indecisive whether or not

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you want to join the Patreon, now's the time before

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the prices go up.

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Speaker 3: Gifted for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gift to some people if you're already had a part

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of the Patreon for Chris.

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Speaker 1: Giving someone this Patreon for Christmas is four years of

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Evergreen Country.

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Speaker 2: There's so many episodes at this point, and.

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Speaker 1: An entire audiobook of sketches, and then a bunch of

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other like literally an audiobook's length of original written sketches,

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and then all the game shows and watch Lungs and

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other shit we do too.

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Speaker 3: And sports.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sports is in the above tier though, yes, that's true.

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That's an additional thing. So you can theoretically get three

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episodes a week just on the Patreon including this. This

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is free, so that would be four. But sports that tier.

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I don't think that's gonna go up. It's just a

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lower tier right now. You know, five dollars doesn't really

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go that far in this economy.

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Speaker 3: But that's for the Nubes, it's not for you guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're already apart, and if you aren't

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join before January first, and you will be grandfathered in otherwise,

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I think we're gonna we'll actually discuss the prices, all fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're just getting more cut out from us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Patreon keeps like Nickel and Diamond.

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Speaker 1: US Patreon Texas sales tax. There's another thing too, Apple,

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Maybe they actually think Apple just fucks the listener.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, no, it sucks us too, oh fox

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us too great, yea perfect. We get fucked so many

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different ways. So yeah, we you know, we're just trying

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to account for that, trying to survive, trying to make

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this our thing.

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Speaker 3: But the ogs are fine OG's.

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Speaker 2: And people that sign up before January first get in. Now,

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well it's hot that said. You know, five dollars foot

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long is no longer five dollars. No, you ever go

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to have you been a subway recently? You know how

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much a five dollars foot long is?

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Speaker 3: It's about eight dollars.

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Speaker 2: Probably, dog, it's about fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Well at least it's a literative again, fifteen dollars. Yeah,

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that's the important thing is it remains a literative. Yeah, yeah,

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seven dollars foot long.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry. The prices will not The prices will only

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go up for our Patreon like two or three dollars. Yeah,

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So it's really not going to be that big of

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a difference. We appreciate everyone that does subscribe to it, though,

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very much so, and we want to reward you for

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your loyalty and just grandfather you in not change the

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price so sweet. Thank you for tuning in. We love

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you guys. Merry Christmas, Scott, there it is. Merry Christmas, Rob,

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Merry Christmas, and Merry Christmas to you at home for

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Rob Fox, Scott Lopez. I'm damn d Jester. You just

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got saft served