Speaker 1: Well, I guess it is a midweek crisis. If you
Speaker 1: were tuning in for Dan Carrell tonight, but now it's
Speaker 1: me instead, Gary Jeff Walker on a very special Wednesday
Speaker 1: Night tap here on seven hundred WLW. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm fine, Thanks for asking. Over the last few days,
Speaker 1: my wife and I traveled to Middle Tennessee to see
Speaker 1: my parents. My dad, god Willing, will be eighty nine
Speaker 1: at the end of October. My mother just turned eighty
Speaker 1: eight this past Sunday in August third, and it was
Speaker 1: a thrill to be there and to spend time with them.
Speaker 1: We really don't know how much time we have do
Speaker 1: we no matter what age we are. But my dad
Speaker 1: is suffering from mild congestive heart failure and rheumatoid arthritis.
Speaker 1: If you've listened to me at all over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and cared, I've told you this, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate all your prayers and all your support along
Speaker 1: the way for my parents. But if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: the debilitating effects, especially in older people, of both of
Speaker 1: those maladies, congestive heart failure and rheumatoid arthritis, you know
Speaker 1: what or have some idea what my dad is going
Speaker 1: through and it's just heartbreaking to see him hunched over
Speaker 1: and have to use a rolater and oxygen everywhere he
Speaker 1: goes at all times. What was extremely enlightening for me
Speaker 1: was to see the strength of my eighty eight year
Speaker 1: old mother taking care of him. And she's doing a
Speaker 1: bang up job. I told somebody else, my mom is
Speaker 1: kicking but and being nearly eighty nine with the problems
Speaker 1: that he has, are kicking my dad's butt. And there
Speaker 1: were a couple of times on the right home afterwards,
Speaker 1: just cruising down the highway up sixty five where I
Speaker 1: was brought to tears with the reality of what's going on.
Speaker 1: But again, my mother at eighty eight, she's one of
Speaker 1: those on wheels. She's incredible. So love to mom and dad.
Speaker 1: And if you still are lucky enough to have your
Speaker 1: mom and dad, if you're still blessed to have your
Speaker 1: family together at this point in our lives, tell them
Speaker 1: how much you love them, tell them how much they
Speaker 1: mean to you. Visit them or talk to them as
Speaker 1: often as you possibly can, because as sands through the
Speaker 1: hour glass go the days of our lives, and there
Speaker 1: is a finite set only God knows with that we
Speaker 1: will turn you loose for the rest of tonight's special
Speaker 1: Wednesday Night Show. Up next the author of Vaccines, Mythology,
Speaker 1: Ideology and Reality. A guy has worked with the famous
Speaker 1: doctor Peter McCullough, and he's written a new book. His
Speaker 1: name is John Leek, The History of Vaccines, What vaccines
Speaker 1: really are? And should we always air on the side
Speaker 1: of the latest vaccine, be it COVID, be it whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Some looks inside how the sausage is made,
Speaker 1: so to speak. As we began this nightcap in minutes
Speaker 1: here on seven hundred WLW at the top I mentioned
Speaker 1: John Leak. He will join us at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the hour right now from Compasscare USA, the leader of
Speaker 1: that group, an advocate for life and a wonderful, wonderful
Speaker 1: Christian man that I've had the pleasure of speaking with
Speaker 1: on multiple occasions, is back with this, Reverend Jim Harden
Speaker 1: from Compasscare USA. A pleasure to have you. How are you, sir,
Speaker 1: That's an honor to be backerty.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Yeah. We still continue to have these
Speaker 1: battles in the courts among very leftist judges who apparently
Speaker 1: think in fantaside is just fine. An Obama appointed judge
Speaker 1: just last week before cracked opened the courtroom door, and
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood's political foot soldiers marching out blocking the defunding
Speaker 1: of Planned Parenthood in the President's One Big, Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand why American taxpayers, who either have
Speaker 1: moral objections to abortion or very sound scientific objections to abortion,
Speaker 1: would like their tax dollars going to Plan Parenthood. You
Speaker 1: guys have been doing something actively about it for years now,
Speaker 1: and I understand that you've opened up a third Compass
Speaker 1: care center in a borough of New York City, which
Speaker 1: is like the infanticide capital of the world, at least
Speaker 1: in this country. So tell tell me about the new
Speaker 1: thing that you're opening up, and how many centers you
Speaker 1: have for women who are in pregnancies and they don't
Speaker 1: have anywhere else to turn but a place as draconian
Speaker 1: as Planned Parenthood. Where are you opening this hub?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a new office opening in Staten Island.
Speaker 2: We've got an office in Brooklyn, an office in the Bronx,
Speaker 2: and an office across New York State and the key
Speaker 2: abortion of hub cities like Buffalo, Rochester, all beneath the capital.
Speaker 2: You know, we're the only ethical medical alternative for women
Speaker 2: facing unplanned pregnancy and considering abortion in those in those
Speaker 2: abortion hubs, I mean the big the biggest abortion hub
Speaker 2: in America where there are more abortions per capital than
Speaker 2: any other place is New York and and there are
Speaker 2: more abortions just by by by the straight numbers in
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, which is King's County, than any other county
Speaker 2: in America. Uh, we are actually providing true alternances. We're
Speaker 2: actually truly empowering women with ethnical medical care and comprehensive
Speaker 2: community support. And we don't get a dime of taxpayer money.
Speaker 3: Think about that.
Speaker 2: We actually believe that we're radically responsible for our neighbor.
Speaker 2: Whereas you got you got pro abortion politicians in charge
Speaker 2: of the downcout party that think that they want to
Speaker 2: that's appropriate to use our taxpayer funds to fund their
Speaker 2: pet industry. That that doesn't that doesn't get any virtually
Speaker 2: no support from the grassroots. Look, this is purely the
Speaker 2: abortion industry is propped up by our tax dollars. And
Speaker 2: you see that starkly with the One Big Beautiful Bill
Speaker 2: Act when it was passed the you know, the abortion
Speaker 2: industry and all their all their you know, purveyors and
Speaker 2: protectors in the in the political realm, lost their collective
Speaker 2: minds when they earned that that Congress didn't want a
Speaker 2: fund abortion anymore. And it wasn't specific target planned parented.
Speaker 2: They just said, we don't want to fund plant, we
Speaker 2: don't want to fund abortion. But then you've got this
Speaker 2: judge out of Massachusetts, this rogue justice again undermining, uh,
Speaker 2: the rule of law, the separation of powers, and insisting
Speaker 2: that Congress fund their little pet industry abortion. This is
Speaker 2: total fully usurpation of of uh, you know, of of
Speaker 2: the legal system. I mean, it's a you're using the
Speaker 2: legal system to undermine the rule of law. It's the
Speaker 2: purview of Congress to decide what it wants to fund.
Speaker 2: That is exactly why what that is supposed to the
Speaker 2: budget is supposed to originate the House.
Speaker 1: That is well, I've read the Constitution, Reverend Harden. That's
Speaker 1: Congress's job is to control the purse strings and decide
Speaker 1: what they are representing their constituents with what they're going
Speaker 1: to have to pay for out of the taxes that
Speaker 1: are collected. That's exactly Congress's job. It has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with a judge in Massachusetts, there anywhere else in
Speaker 1: this country exactly.
Speaker 2: And I find it a little bit helpful to see
Speaker 2: that this particular temporary restraining order the judge put on
Speaker 2: the One Big Beautiful Bill Act was limited by virtue
Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court's recent deficiency. You know, these rogue
Speaker 2: judges can't can't put the brakes on any one thing nationally.
Speaker 2: There has to be you know, they're extremely limited. So
Speaker 2: in this case, it was limited to a handful of
Speaker 2: planned parenthoods in a couple of states like Utah. I think,
Speaker 2: so what this means is California, for example, all the
Speaker 2: planned parent organizations in California stand to lose twenty five
Speaker 2: million dollars a month. Actually they're already losing it. And
Speaker 2: Governor Newsom can't make up the difference because he's got
Speaker 2: a twelve billion dollar budget state budget deficit. Right, so
Speaker 2: he's running from the ship too, like so many rats.
Speaker 2: The abortion industry needs to go away. Look if you
Speaker 2: don't look, doesn't matter where one stands on the the
Speaker 2: moral debate of abortion. One shouldn't make the clear link
Speaker 2: between a person and the economy. That's all you want
Speaker 2: to do, right, The basic unit of an economy is
Speaker 2: not a dollar, it's a person. And we just had
Speaker 2: a report come out on recent crotilliar rates in the US.
Speaker 2: We dropped below one point six for the first time ever.
Speaker 2: Few nations have ever made it back from a fertiliarate
Speaker 2: that low certillary rates have to be two point one
Speaker 2: or greater to have just simply replace your population. And
Speaker 2: now that we've solved the border crisis, our population in
Speaker 2: America is starting to go down. This is bad news.
Speaker 2: You can't sustain There is no sustainable economic model for
Speaker 2: a flat or declining population base. You have to start
Speaker 2: having families and children again. We have to get back
Speaker 2: to what it means to be human, and the basic
Speaker 2: unit of society is the family, the male father, female
Speaker 2: mother with children, and that's where the next generation of
Speaker 2: a healthy citizen comes from.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there are two parents, so there should
Speaker 1: be at least two kids to replace them, because eventually
Speaker 1: we're all going to die, and just to maintain at
Speaker 1: the same level two kids, uh in a in a
Speaker 1: marital relationship. Why is why do you think planned parenthood
Speaker 1: is treated as untouchable by both political parties Republicans and
Speaker 1: Democrats and by these federal courts. Well, what's the reason.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they have been for the last many years,
Speaker 2: into facto government agency. They have been implementing, I believe,
Speaker 2: a population control ideology. There's this ideology out there that's
Speaker 2: driving a lot of political uh uh, you know, aspirations
Speaker 2: and policies that the world is dying and that and
Speaker 2: that humanity is a virus and that we need to
Speaker 2: we need to control ourselves and what the world go wild?
Speaker 2: That's instead of what what what the Bible says, the fruitful,
Speaker 2: multiply and to do the earth. They're same the opposite.
Speaker 2: Let the earth, you know, go wild and do yourselves. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not saying we shouldn't be good stewards
Speaker 2: of the world and of the world's resources. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that humanity is the crown of creation and that
Speaker 2: there are two things in this world that are sacred,
Speaker 2: God and people. We are mediums of God. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why the Founding Fathers were so
Speaker 2: astute when they wrote the Decoration of Independence. We are
Speaker 2: endowed by our Creator with certain on amial rights, the
Speaker 2: first of which of courses life upon. That's the right
Speaker 2: upon which all other rights are predicated. It's the Senequanon.
Speaker 2: It's without which there is none. I mean, there's a
Speaker 2: point in talking about other rights unless the government is
Speaker 2: willing to protect the right to life of every single
Speaker 2: human being from the moment of fertilization through natural death.
Speaker 2: And I think that we've got an opportunity right now,
Speaker 2: a small window. I think we've got about nine months
Speaker 2: left before there's a potential whiplash election that shifts power
Speaker 2: in the House back to the Democrats. We've got nine
Speaker 2: months to make some serious legislative changes to safeguard humanity
Speaker 2: into the future so that these leftist Marxists like like
Speaker 2: the Biden administration, Uh, don't don't take this country and
Speaker 2: the rule with it into the abyss.
Speaker 1: How do rulings like the one in Massachusetts that we're
Speaker 1: talking about tonight, Reverend Harden, how do they impact the
Speaker 1: pro life work on the ground at pregnancy centers like
Speaker 1: Compass Cares. How do those rulings affect you and your work?
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's something that we're always concerned about because
Speaker 2: it's such precedent that you get row justices and uh
Speaker 2: and and and emboldens other people in the political realm
Speaker 2: and in the public realm to do things that are
Speaker 2: unethical uh and incongruent with a rule of law. And
Speaker 2: we see that happening, uh, empowering and emboldening.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, political bad actors like New York Governor Holcals
Speaker 2: weaponize legislation against this, like uh New York Attorney General
Speaker 2: Latisia James to to engage in lawfare against us. Uh
Speaker 2: to embolden literally uh, you know, pro abortion extremists to
Speaker 2: attack us physically all these things in bolds and embolden's
Speaker 2: big tech to censor us because they know they're not
Speaker 2: going to be investigated. All these things have happened and
Speaker 2: will continue to happen more intensely if these types of
Speaker 2: of rog justices are not dealt with. I think Judgetown
Speaker 2: Wanne out of Massachusetts needs to be investigated and and
Speaker 2: and uh impeached quite frankly. But but are you going
Speaker 2: to get an impeachment out of out account. You're not
Speaker 2: going to get two thirds of a vote out of
Speaker 2: the Senate. So this is but we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: deal with this, and we're going to need to make
Speaker 2: sure that President Trump's nominee nominees for for for judges
Speaker 2: get approved and that they're not they're not stalled by
Speaker 2: these uh, by these Marxists and Democrat clothes.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You talked about physical violence against your your pro life
Speaker 1: pregnancy centers. I've read some of the things that and
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them in mainstream media that those kinds
Speaker 1: of attacks are never publicized or held up the American media.
Speaker 1: But give me a couple of examples out particularly Compass
Speaker 1: Care and these non abortion pregnancy centers have been physically
Speaker 1: violently attacked. Reverend Harden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, starting with the unprecedented illegal leak of a
Speaker 2: full draft opinion of a Supreme Court case in May
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, there was this. It sparked a
Speaker 2: prairie fire of Maoist Antifa type violence against pro life
Speaker 2: people and organizations. And so one of those was a
Speaker 2: fire bombing. We were firebombs. There was a Marxist communicat
Speaker 2: that was initiated, sent out after the initial attack on
Speaker 2: a pro life organization in Madison, Wisconsin, and they took
Speaker 2: responsibility for the attack on this plot organization in Madison
Speaker 2: on Mother's Day, May twenty twenty two, and they said
Speaker 2: we're going to do it again. We've got thirty days
Speaker 2: to shut down. They gave us an notltimatum. All your
Speaker 2: pregnanc out there, you got thirty days to shut down
Speaker 2: or based a similar base, a similar fate. And on
Speaker 2: day thirty we were firebomb by pro abortion anti for
Speaker 2: Front group Jane's revenge, so that the Biden administration's DJ
Speaker 2: turned a blind eye, the FBI slow walking the investigation
Speaker 2: that went all the way to the houses, and the
Speaker 2: traditionary of your committeees. You know, they're demanding why the
Speaker 2: House and I means depending why the FBI and DJ
Speaker 2: are not uh, you know, providing equal protection of the
Speaker 2: laws to pro life people when they're attacks. Over five
Speaker 2: hundred attacks occurred from that point on physical attacks. We've
Speaker 2: had death threats, We've had additional uh you know, we've
Speaker 2: had theft. We've had you know, not just not just larceny,
Speaker 2: but trespassing, additional uh you know, attacks on our property.
Speaker 2: You know, these kinds of things have been going on,
Speaker 2: uh for for us since twenty twenty one, and you
Speaker 2: know so so you know, it's it's more, it hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2: It's simple more from physical attacks to law there and
Speaker 2: so we're dealing with that right now, and we're getting
Speaker 2: some bit of a reprieve because I believe Trump's in
Speaker 2: office and he's actually doing some good things with respect
Speaker 2: to his executive orders and the Department of Justice cleaning
Speaker 2: house with some of these bad actors that populated the
Speaker 2: leadership as well as the rank and file.
Speaker 1: Well, you pointed out that there was not much news
Speaker 1: time at all given to that fire bombing in Madison, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: or the times you've been firebombed. We're threatened with such action.
Speaker 1: I feel very blessed that as a member of the media,
Speaker 1: which I'm not very proud of saying a lot of times,
Speaker 1: I get to have people like you on to talk
Speaker 1: about this, address it and get the word out there
Speaker 1: and let people know what's going on. I am so
Speaker 1: grateful that you could come on tonight. I appreciate your time,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate your work with Compass Care. Reverend Harden,
Speaker 1: How can people find out real quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if people look to learn more about how Compass
Speaker 2: Care is saving women babies from abortion and the abortion
Speaker 2: capital of the nation, they can go to Compasscarecommunity dot com.
Speaker 2: A's Compasscare community dot com all.
Speaker 1: Right, thank you so much, Reverend Harden.
Speaker 3: My pleasure.
Speaker 1: God bless God, bless you. Coming up next, as I
Speaker 1: promised at the top, John Leek on vaccine. As I
Speaker 1: mentioned just a few moments ago, our first guest tonight
Speaker 1: is John Leek, a researcher, a man who is world renowned.
Speaker 1: He worked with doctor Peter McCullough as I mentioned in
Speaker 1: the open, and he has a new book out called
Speaker 1: Vaccines Mythology, Ideology and Reality, primary author of the best
Speaker 1: selling book The Courage to Face COVID nineteen. And John,
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you. Thanks for making time
Speaker 1: for us tonight.
Speaker 4: I'm delighted. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You got it. Let's go back to a face the
Speaker 1: Courage to Face COVID nineteen for just a moment, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind, and then we'll get to the new
Speaker 1: book and the research you've done on on vaccines through
Speaker 1: the ears, going all the way back to Edward Jenner.
Speaker 1: But I think it's such a wonderful title, The Courage
Speaker 1: to Face COVID nineteen, because fear was used so much
Speaker 1: when this virus invaded America and the rest of the
Speaker 1: world to coerce people to do things that were illogical
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and in many cases unscientific, and courage
Speaker 1: was something that we all needed. It was something that
Speaker 1: some of us exercised. I for myself, paid very little
Speaker 1: attention to the lockdowns and the travel restrictions. My wife
Speaker 1: and I and ultimately both of us refused to get
Speaker 1: any of the unproven, fast rushed so called vaccines that
Speaker 1: they were trying to force everyone to put into their bodies.
Speaker 1: So I think courage is something that we need to
Speaker 1: have all the time when it comes to our health,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, I completely agree with that. I when I.
Speaker 5: Formulated that title, I wasn't only thinking about this disease
Speaker 5: syndrome COVID nineteen. It's the way it was represented by
Speaker 5: our federal health authorities, and it was the way their
Speaker 5: representations were completely enforced and backed up by an amazingly willing,
Speaker 5: compliant mass media. So part of it is not only
Speaker 5: the courage to face the illness. It's the courage to
Speaker 5: face the consequences, the institutional consequences and the reputationtional consequences
Speaker 5: if you start asking questions about it. Because what we
Speaker 5: found is it was we believe that there is a
Speaker 5: causative agent of COVID nineteen STARSKOV two is an upper
Speaker 5: respiratory coronavirus that was engineered in a laboratory using mostly
Speaker 5: American biotechnology working Ralph Ferrick at the University of North
Speaker 5: Carolina Chapel Hill was the primary biotechnician. He was working
Speaker 5: with chan Ji Lee at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Speaker 4: So they did create this virus.
Speaker 5: It did get out of the lab and in some people,
Speaker 5: primarily people approaching life expectancy and morbidly obese people, it
Speaker 5: could make people violently ill and result in their hospitalization.
Speaker 5: But the reality of it was something that you couldn't
Speaker 5: really try and inquire about and figure out and ask
Speaker 5: questions about, or you would immediately be censored and censured.
Speaker 4: And so my co.
Speaker 5: Author Peter McCullough discovered this the hard way. Fired from
Speaker 5: his job at a major medical center in Dallas. Sued
Speaker 5: from the major medical center, all of his academic society
Speaker 5: memberships were taken, were stripped, all of his editorial positions
Speaker 5: at medical journals were stripped. He was treated as a
Speaker 5: heretic might be treated, you know, during the religious wars
Speaker 5: of Europe in the sixteenth and seventeenth century. So courage
Speaker 5: to face the illness and to treat the illness and
Speaker 5: try to help your patients, but also courage to face
Speaker 5: this mafia structure that has been erected in Washington, whose entire,
Speaker 5: relentless campaign and mission and purpose is to promote a
Speaker 5: new generation of vaccine technology.
Speaker 4: That's what all of this was about.
Speaker 5: There was an interest in launching a new generation of
Speaker 5: a genetic transfer technology called messenger RNA. It had been
Speaker 5: on the shelves for a while, but there had not
Speaker 5: been any real impetus and any real money to launch this,
Speaker 5: you know, a on a global scale. So COVID nineteen
Speaker 5: comes along, and now we've got our chance to launch
Speaker 5: this new virus, this new excuse me, vaccine technology, and
Speaker 5: anybody who starts talking about early treatments or the illness
Speaker 5: can be managed at home, or maybe it's not such
Speaker 5: a mortal.
Speaker 4: Threat for everybody. Anybody who raised questions like that, you.
Speaker 5: Know, was immediately severely punished. So that's the drama of
Speaker 5: our first book. But this led inevitably into an examination
Speaker 5: of the COVID nineteen vaccine program, and that was the
Speaker 5: starting point of our enquiry for our new book, which
Speaker 5: is a critical history of vaccines, of vaccination going all
Speaker 5: the way back to the eighteenth century.
Speaker 1: There was purposely too, I believe, going back to the
Speaker 1: AIDS epidemic in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Of course,
Speaker 1: AIDS and the disease that supposedly causes AIDS is still
Speaker 1: out there, and there's all kinds of treatments now and
Speaker 1: preventative measures that are out there. But in the beginning,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of fear mongering, I felt like,
Speaker 1: and misinformation about how one contract to autoimmune deficiency syndrome
Speaker 1: in the media and every I think we kind of
Speaker 1: saw replay then of that happening when it was essentially
Speaker 1: the most the people who were most at risk were
Speaker 1: homosexuals and IV drug abusers and people who were having
Speaker 1: unprotected sex. But I remember in the mid eighties it
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you can you can get
Speaker 1: AIDS from somebody sweat and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: there was just this mashesteria around it.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: I mean, this really hits home because I was setting
Speaker 5: off for college in nineteen eighty nine, and you know,
Speaker 5: you're headed off to college in Boston and you know,
Speaker 5: of course there's the possibility of you know, maybe having
Speaker 5: some kind.
Speaker 4: Of a.
Speaker 5: How to put it delicately, some kind of intimate encounter
Speaker 5: with a college co ed and and but the word was, well.
Speaker 4: You know, you're going to have to.
Speaker 5: Abstain from any kind of sexual contact because AIDS is
Speaker 5: for sure going to jump from the high risk populations
Speaker 5: gay men and IV drug users and to heterosexuals. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I remember this being quite a psychological drama when I
Speaker 5: set off for college in eighty nine. Well, this was
Speaker 5: Anthony Fauci's you know, first rodeo. He was really catapulted
Speaker 5: into the spotlight by HIV.
Speaker 4: And there are a lot.
Speaker 5: Of controversies about Fauci, you know, going back to the
Speaker 5: early AIDS crisis in the nineteen eighties, but it was
Speaker 5: really his reputation as a sort of pope or Pontiffects
Speaker 5: Maximus of infectious emerging infectious diseases.
Speaker 4: That's really where his career began.
Speaker 5: And he in his position, you know, for many many
Speaker 5: years as head of the NIAI D. I think a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't realize that the immense power of
Speaker 5: Anthony Fauci was he was in a position, you know,
Speaker 5: to have final say over where all this grant money goes.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people think of the pharmaceutical
Speaker 5: industry is primarily financed.
Speaker 4: By private capital, but in fact.
Speaker 5: There's billions and billions of inn I AI D grant
Speaker 5: money that's dispersed. And Anthony, you know, got to be
Speaker 5: friends with a bunch of guys in the pharmaceutical industry
Speaker 5: by virtue of his grant money dispersal power.
Speaker 4: So he did kind of establish himself as a kind
Speaker 4: of godfather of grant money dispersal, and which gave him
Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of power, as money always does.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and you say godfather. And when you
Speaker 1: were talking about the medical mafia earlier in relation to
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and anyone who questioned anything would be put
Speaker 1: down by that mafia any way they could, mostly professionally,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it got to the point of almost criminally
Speaker 1: people being singled out because they questioned the science. Which
Speaker 1: that's what science is. It's about questioning. It's about that
Speaker 1: there's not science doesn't really have a consensus. If you've
Speaker 1: got a consensus, it's not science. It's group think or
Speaker 1: mob rule. And I just find Fauci to be one
Speaker 1: of the most contemptible characters of the twentieth and now
Speaker 1: twenty first centuries because of that a lot of other
Speaker 1: reasons me personally.
Speaker 6: Well, it's true, you say, and we'd go into this
Speaker 6: in detail in the book. I mean, if you study
Speaker 6: the history of science, I mean you just kind of
Speaker 6: start with Sir Isaac Newton. It is a process of questioning,
Speaker 6: of inquiry, of debate.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I mentioned Newton specifically because he came up with these
Speaker 5: mathematical models of the motion of bodies and gravity and
Speaker 5: some of these Newtonian mechanics we call it bodies and
Speaker 5: motion and accelerating and falling from gravity and so forth.
Speaker 5: And his mathematical model is very impressive. But what you
Speaker 5: see happening is people start trying to apply the model
Speaker 5: of Newtonian mechanics to things that are way way more
Speaker 5: multifactorial and complex. And so you get into what we.
Speaker 4: Call medical sciences. And this implies that there are sort.
Speaker 1: Of John, John, feel like I've lost him, John, are
Speaker 1: you still there? I can't hear him. Okay, he dropped
Speaker 1: off the phone. We will take just a quick break
Speaker 1: and try to get John Leak back because I want
Speaker 1: to get more into his book. In just a moment
Speaker 1: here in the Nightcap, John, we lost the line, but
Speaker 1: we got you back.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: You were talking about Newton and his mathematical equations, mechanics,
Speaker 1: and how being applied to medical science was probably not
Speaker 1: the best path.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a misapplication because just to put this in
Speaker 5: a nutshell, it's if you and I were standing on a.
Speaker 4: Twenty story balcony. We can start.
Speaker 5: Having a debate about illnesses, you know, the best way
Speaker 5: to try treat them, And you might say, well, you know,
Speaker 5: in my experience with this bug or with whatever it is,
Speaker 5: some sort of health matter, we could have reasonable debate
Speaker 5: about it in which we take two different sides. I mean,
Speaker 5: you hear people they have debates about whether statins a
Speaker 5: cholesterol lowering medication. You know, whether the benefits outweigh.
Speaker 4: The risk, and you'll get a reasonable debate.
Speaker 5: But neither of us would it ever occur to either
Speaker 5: of us that there's any debate about what happens if
Speaker 5: we jump off the balcony onto the concrete below.
Speaker 4: We were certain.
Speaker 5: That Newtonian's mechanics, the description of how we're going to
Speaker 5: accelerate and hit the pavement. We do not have any
Speaker 5: doubt that's the outcome. But with medicine it's very multi factorial.
Speaker 5: There are many elements. You have the infections, speaking of
Speaker 5: infectious disease, you.
Speaker 4: Have the causative agent a virus or a bacterium or
Speaker 4: a fungus.
Speaker 5: But then you have the nutritional status, the age, the
Speaker 5: overall health of the person who is exposed to the
Speaker 5: infectious agent. What French microbiologists used to call the terrain,
Speaker 5: the terrain the ecology, and so you know, we can
Speaker 5: get into a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty about this.
Speaker 5: But when vaccines is an idea as a concept come about.
Speaker 4: In the eighteenth century.
Speaker 5: Living conditions the terrain was very very poor. Drinking water
Speaker 5: was as often as not contaminated with rast sewage. The
Speaker 5: nutritional status of most people, particularly the urban poor in
Speaker 5: these early cities, they.
Speaker 1: Were very poor.
Speaker 5: They were undernourished most of the time, cold winners, inadequate heating.
Speaker 5: You get into the nineteenth century in big cities like London,
Speaker 5: they're drinking cold smoke all the time. They're overworked, and
Speaker 5: so their bodies become susceptible to infectious diseases and what
Speaker 5: we document, you know, in our book, is what we
Speaker 5: see happening at the exact same time, I mean, plotted
Speaker 5: identically on the timeline that microbiologists are developing vaccines. At
Speaker 5: the exact same time, enormous strides are being made to
Speaker 5: elevate the living standards of cities. And so by the
Speaker 5: time you get to nineteen forty eight, which is really
Speaker 5: the introduction of the modern vaccine schedule.
Speaker 4: For children, you've already seen.
Speaker 5: Most infectious diseases plummeting in terms of mortality rates by
Speaker 5: over ninety five percent. Now, that was an improvement of nutrition, sanitation,
Speaker 5: general living standards. But guess what gets all the credit
Speaker 5: nowadays vaccines. So it's a mis attribution of you know
Speaker 5: what really deserves the credit in this and we talk
Speaker 5: about this in the book. I mean, I think readers
Speaker 5: will be astonished to discover that the city of London
Speaker 5: did not have proper sewage channelization to get the affluent
Speaker 5: away from the city. The London Sewer wasn't completed until
Speaker 5: eighteen seventy five, so I mean literally contaminated times water
Speaker 5: was contaminating the groundwater in London with cholera and typhoid
Speaker 5: fee or all the way up until you know the
Speaker 5: eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1: Well, I always say, John, I always say, as a
Speaker 1: human being, regardless of your age, your miles may vary.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a heavy smoker or you're morbidly obese,
Speaker 1: even in today's society, with all the advances, you become
Speaker 1: more susceptible to these diseases, with or without the vaccines.
Speaker 1: Isn't that a correct assumption?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely correct.
Speaker 5: And you know, so interesting during COVID nineteen because the
Speaker 5: people who are at highest risk of this excessive inflammatory
Speaker 5: response to the virus were people who were obese. People
Speaker 5: who have more of the obesity. Either they have a
Speaker 5: much higher tendency to systemic inflammatory is use, and so
Speaker 5: they would get sick, and this illness would quickly get
Speaker 5: down into their lungs and just go nuclear in their lungs,
Speaker 5: so violent pulmonary inflammation causing pneumonia, and I mean they
Speaker 5: basically just just asphyxiate. There's never any talk, I mean
Speaker 5: never even a reference to you know what about trying
Speaker 5: to get your blood sugar down. I mean, elevated blood
Speaker 5: sugar is probably the simplest correlation. So there's a physician
Speaker 5: here in Dallas named Yvette Lozano, and the first thing
Speaker 5: she would do is say, Okay, we're going to get
Speaker 5: you on hydroxychloricuin, which is also an anti inflammatory. It's
Speaker 5: used for rheumatoid arthritis. It's an anti inflammatory, it seems
Speaker 5: to have anti viral properties. But we're also going to instantly,
Speaker 5: like right now, starting right now, you're not going to
Speaker 5: eat any sugar, like none. You're you're you're on a
Speaker 5: raw vegetable you know, chicken diet, and you're going to
Speaker 5: get on a on an exercise bike.
Speaker 4: I mean, this was her regimen for her, for her
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: Obese COVID patience, and she really didn't lose any all.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm sorry, we're times of John Leek is the
Speaker 1: author uh In, working with doctor Peter McCullough, Vaccines, mythology,
Speaker 1: ideology and reality. It's out. If any of this sounds
Speaker 1: interesting to you, I highly recommend the book. I'm just
Speaker 1: starting to skim through it myself. But John, thank you so.
Speaker 5: Much, thank you for having me. I really appreciated the conversation.
Speaker 5: Great question, Thanks you.
Speaker 1: Thanks. We'll continue in a moment, leave again this hour
Speaker 1: on a special Nightcap on seven hundred w l W.
Speaker 1: We are returning my friend Michael Letz to the airwaves
Speaker 1: with me tonight. He is the president of invest USA.
Speaker 1: They help law enforcement be better ready to face the
Speaker 1: challenges that they do face in twenty twenty five with
Speaker 1: the best kind of equipment and vests and things that
Speaker 1: will protect them as they protect us. Michael lets it's
Speaker 1: great to have you on the show. Welcome back.
Speaker 7: Well Gary, it's always approved to be with you. We
Speaker 7: take you for the opportunity and well, there's a lot
Speaker 7: to talk about, a lot of great things happening in
Speaker 7: the country, but he's still had a long ways to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean crime is down in some places since
Speaker 1: President Trump took office and stemmed the tide of just
Speaker 1: open border mania that was going on for four years
Speaker 1: under Joe Biden. That is a big thing. And having
Speaker 1: ice able to round up the most violent of the
Speaker 1: criminal illegal aliens that have come into this country in
Speaker 1: a flood of some say, more than twenty million under
Speaker 1: those four years. It's down to a trickle if any
Speaker 1: right now under Donald Trump. God bless Donald Trump for that,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a big step for public
Speaker 1: safety and law enforcement. As we get more and more
Speaker 1: of these people out of our country or incarcerated where
Speaker 1: they belong. They need to belong in a prison cell somewhere,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, in a max security prison in
Speaker 1: this country or Alligator alcatraz or in their own country
Speaker 1: in l Salvador and other places. So, Michael, first, and
Speaker 1: what do you think the effect of closing the border
Speaker 1: has done to help protect police and protect the public.
Speaker 1: Since only the six seven months since Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: been president, what's been the effect.
Speaker 7: It's had a huge impact. Gary, Let's talk about it
Speaker 7: for just a second. Of course, you know, we went
Speaker 7: in made sure we did a number of different things
Speaker 7: to secure the border, everything from classifying the border and
Speaker 7: the settlement border with Mexico to be a military zone.
Speaker 7: You remember, we took from California although the Texas and
Speaker 7: made that initial under two hundred and fifty feet a
Speaker 7: border between that and the river military installation, so we
Speaker 7: could enforce military break military personnel, and they could enforce
Speaker 7: if you set foot on that, you weren't just crossing
Speaker 7: the United States. You were a trespassing on a military installation.
Speaker 7: And I put you in a whole different category. You
Speaker 7: are under military jurisdiction there, and so that brought down
Speaker 7: it almost to zero. Fact, it has been zero for
Speaker 7: the last couple of months, So that made a huge difference.
Speaker 7: Besides that and uh in what we're doing with ICE,
Speaker 7: but ICE was a separate situation. Here's why I mentioned
Speaker 7: it to you. We secured the border security with military assistants.
Speaker 7: Then we had to go to the next space. Now,
Speaker 7: what do we do with all the illegals here, especially
Speaker 7: the illegals that have come in and began to commit
Speaker 7: violent crimes, because you remember, many of them that came
Speaker 7: had violent criminal paths from where they came from, and
Speaker 7: they were doing the same thing in this country. So
Speaker 7: we put together task force with ICE and others, including
Speaker 7: using some military personnel as well, because we were so
Speaker 7: overwhelmed the number of people that were here, and we
Speaker 7: targeted went after where was our biggest success Obviously in
Speaker 7: the Red States because we've got great cooperation and the
Speaker 7: Blue States. We targeted it and had made that a
Speaker 7: top target as well.
Speaker 3: In Blue States.
Speaker 7: But unfortunately, we've been having to work against those whose
Speaker 7: policies are trying to hurt their citizens and trying to
Speaker 7: undermine the authority of trying to remove these criminals. How
Speaker 7: do they do that? Give them a kiff that were
Speaker 7: headed that way so we would get there, there's no
Speaker 7: illegal criminals, or there's nothing good protesters or you've seen
Speaker 7: this happen any kind of quescially in California. Others we'll
Speaker 7: get there or rest of the assailants. And when we
Speaker 7: come back out, what are we facing? A sea of
Speaker 7: protesters that are hurling rocks, trying to hur harm our
Speaker 7: law enforcement officers, trying to destroy their vehicles, pop their tire,
Speaker 7: tow them away, et cetera. So it's been a real struggle,
Speaker 7: not just having to clean up the illegal immigrants who
Speaker 7: are criminals, violent criminals, but going after the protester who
Speaker 7: are attempting to obstruct justice. And you've seen that reflected
Speaker 7: in the numbers. As you mentioned when we first started
Speaker 7: this interview, violent crime is down substantial. It's got a
Speaker 7: lot more in the red stage where they're cooperating with
Speaker 7: our efforts to make the America safe and secure, instead
Speaker 7: of the blue sanctuary cities that are impeding and trying
Speaker 7: to do any they can to keep I legal immigrants there,
Speaker 7: to keep violent people to harm their citizens makes no sense.
Speaker 7: I can't imagine the logic behind doing that.
Speaker 3: Of the look.
Speaker 1: You could have gone, you could have forecasted that with
Speaker 1: what went on in many of those same quote blue
Speaker 1: cities during the Summer of Hate in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: the George Floyd ryots, the Antifa, the BLM riots, all
Speaker 1: that were not mostly peaceful protests, and they were allowed
Speaker 1: to flourish. I mean, the mayor of Seattle let an
Speaker 1: entire section of that city be taken over by these
Speaker 1: crazy people. And you saw it from remember in Dallas
Speaker 1: when the five transit officers were shot and killed by
Speaker 1: these same Antifa nut jobs. And we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: less of that now. But in Los Angeles and in
Speaker 1: other areas that we don't have cooperation of the mayor
Speaker 1: and the police force, and in some cases the governors
Speaker 1: of those states, with ice and border patrol not being
Speaker 1: able to have access to facilities and the authorities not operating,
Speaker 1: you see these violent outbursts by the protesters, and many
Speaker 1: of those protesters are the same illegal criminals that they're
Speaker 1: trying to round up because the last thing they want
Speaker 1: to do is go back, you know, after they invaded
Speaker 1: our country. Let's talk about the pro Palestinian. I call
Speaker 1: them pro terrorist protests because that's that's exactly what they are,
Speaker 1: the pro homas.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was coming to get involved, you know. Initially
Speaker 7: when I first started, you had, of course the incursion
Speaker 7: by Hamas in the Israel October the seventh, and the
Speaker 7: war breakdown, and in instead of concentrary on look at
Speaker 7: how they terrorized and all the thousands of penisents that
Speaker 7: they killed, and they're encouraged. It was all now that
Speaker 7: there's a war, these poor kids that aren't being said,
Speaker 7: and we need all show compassion. So they they do
Speaker 7: the kumbai Ya rallies where they were peaceful but just
Speaker 7: saying we need to try to feed these kids. Then
Speaker 7: they graduated from there to saying and how the second
Speaker 7: I wanted to be peaceful, you can't walk past us.
Speaker 7: We're gonna city. We're not gonna let you go to
Speaker 7: class today, We're not gonna let you go to work.
Speaker 7: We're gonna block the roots. Now it's guided to the
Speaker 7: point to where there are assaulting police officers. They become
Speaker 7: violent and there's no longer protests. It's rioting, it's terrorism,
Speaker 7: its domestic terrorists. We've allowed that to happen how did
Speaker 7: we allow that to happen? A couple of things we
Speaker 7: just talked about it Thenue ago. We've allowed blue cities
Speaker 7: and their policies to project the image of divide in
Speaker 7: this country. To come over here and hang out with
Speaker 7: us left liberals. We're gonna protect you, so you know
Speaker 7: you can continue to do your little crime thing and
Speaker 7: we're gonna protect you and make make him feel safe,
Speaker 7: which is encourage others to do so. And that is
Speaker 7: why you're beginning to see the surge across the country.
Speaker 7: Whether it's an actors they're Montana killing for in a bar,
Speaker 7: whether it's people in Cincinnati assaulting people walking down the
Speaker 7: street just taking a stroll. And here's what we park
Speaker 7: on that one for a second, Geary. It's appalling and
Speaker 7: shocking to me that we would allow young people to
Speaker 7: assault innocent people walking and just taking a stroll, and
Speaker 7: then their thugs stand around encourage them to continue to
Speaker 7: do more violence, try to see who could be the
Speaker 7: fastest to get it on an iPhone and uploaded to
Speaker 7: YouTube or TikTok for their fifteen seconds of thaying and
Speaker 7: not hold people accountable. This is what we're beginning to
Speaker 7: see there's beginning to become a message you don't have
Speaker 7: to worry about being accountable if you're in a sanctuary
Speaker 7: city or if you're happen to be aligned with the liberal,
Speaker 7: progressive democratic ideology, we're going to protect you. You don't
Speaker 7: have to have accountability on the red side where you
Speaker 7: were law and order. You don't want to be there
Speaker 7: and can make crimes because they're gonna put you on
Speaker 7: an ice playing and shift it back to your country.
Speaker 7: So they're trying to create a divide to destroy us
Speaker 7: from within, and we're allowing it to happen.
Speaker 3: And it's time.
Speaker 7: And here's a great thing. I'm very pleased to announce
Speaker 7: that the Supreme Court has just in the last few
Speaker 7: hours giving two major victories to the administration. They have
Speaker 7: determined there will be no more of these injunctions, district
Speaker 7: conjunctions across the country that just came officially to it
Speaker 7: end today. So one judge cannot put the whole country
Speaker 7: and say nobody can be shipped back to Endures or
Speaker 7: you can't do this, do that I just ended. We're
Speaker 7: going to move forward now aggressively to make sure that
Speaker 7: we go after every single criminal we can get our
Speaker 7: hands on them. And so then the second thing the
Speaker 7: Supreme Court just did is gave back parents their rights
Speaker 7: in schools. What do we mean by that? You don't
Speaker 7: want your kids learning about transgenderism being subjective to that
Speaker 7: junk in school that opting out. He's your kid, not
Speaker 7: the schools. You have the right to opt out. So
Speaker 7: these are two huge, major victories, and you're going to
Speaker 7: start saying. One of the things that falls under E
Speaker 7: ten most people are not aware of is we have
Speaker 7: been held by the court system on cutting the funds
Speaker 7: to sanctuary cities that just got released tod So, sanctuary cities,
Speaker 7: do you think it's bad? Now you have to see
Speaker 7: anything yet we're going after your funding and quite frankly,
Speaker 7: you have got some hard days ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I say, praise God, great God bless America, God
Speaker 1: bless the Supreme Court, God bless President Trump, and mostly
Speaker 1: and most importantly, God blessed the citizens of the United
Speaker 1: States of America, because they're finally getting their country back.
Speaker 1: It's as simple. It's as simple as that. Michael. Lets,
Speaker 1: as our guests from invest USA, we continue our conversation
Speaker 1: in just moments after this quick break on a special
Speaker 1: nightcap on seven hundred WLW. He not only has the
Speaker 1: man behind invest Yousa, but he's also the host of
Speaker 1: the Michael Letts Show, which is now nationally syndicated in
Speaker 1: stations across the country. And oddly enough, his name is
Speaker 1: Michael Letts. And we're back for part two of our conversation, Michael,
Speaker 1: what has been the most disgusting thing in the wake
Speaker 1: of the brutal attacks in Cincinnati during the annual Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Music Fest, which, by the way, is one of the
Speaker 1: biggest events in this city. Every single year, it draws
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people to downtown Cincinnati to pay
Speaker 1: Court Stadium to watch these incredible heritage music acts, and
Speaker 1: they come from all parts of the country to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: On the Friday night into Saturday morning after one of
Speaker 1: those big nights at the Cincinnati Music Fest, and you know,
Speaker 1: you've seen the viral videos that were you know, uploaded
Speaker 1: on the internet by cowards who, instead of trying to
Speaker 1: step in to help these poor people from being pummeled
Speaker 1: by a mob, were just filming it, videoing it so
Speaker 1: they could put it up online. The narrative from one
Speaker 1: particular a couple of particular Cincinnati council people. Now finally, mercifully,
Speaker 1: they've been castigated for their comments that the people who
Speaker 1: were brutally attacked, I mean to the point of being
Speaker 1: beaten to a pulp and having permanent damage done to
Speaker 1: their bodies, saying that they deserve the beatdown that they
Speaker 1: got simply because something they said that that was particularly
Speaker 1: disgusting to me and to most other people with a
Speaker 1: brain in their heads who have any kind of compassion
Speaker 1: for their fellow human beings. And these are elected officials
Speaker 1: doing this. And then we have a police chief who,
Speaker 1: in her wisdom, and because of a lack of officers
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati right now, from what we need to have
Speaker 1: to patrol a city this size and to keep the
Speaker 1: public safe, they have three officers at three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, all the officers that went down to you know,
Speaker 1: look after this throng of people in the heart of
Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati. There are three police officers for the entire
Speaker 1: city after three o'clock in the morning. No wonder there
Speaker 1: was this was able to go on without any kind
Speaker 1: of police presence. Michael, It's just insane.
Speaker 7: It is insane.
Speaker 3: Gary.
Speaker 7: And here's the other insane part about it, It is
Speaker 7: how cavalier, especially these SANCTUARYUS cities have been treating crime
Speaker 7: and accountability, and so the number of things that we
Speaker 7: need to do, and I'm not asking for any more laws, Trusty, Gary,
Speaker 7: we have more than of laws on the book. It's
Speaker 7: time that we start helping people accountable and we start
Speaker 7: enforcing them. So what needs to be done in this
Speaker 7: particular situation. First of all, no more of this bluffing
Speaker 7: things off. Oh it was just a small crime. You know,
Speaker 7: Ruby Gigiani had a great room, he king of New
Speaker 7: York City. They called broken doll windows. You see a
Speaker 7: broken window. It was replaced. Why because they created the
Speaker 7: perception that nobody cared. We're not going to let that
Speaker 7: perception happen anymore America. You do a petty crime, you're
Speaker 7: going to be held accountable. We need to start enforcing
Speaker 7: the law vigorously and making sure that we have solicitors
Speaker 7: and prosecutors that are willing to push the max to
Speaker 7: what needs to be done. No more of this plea
Speaker 7: bargaining and we'll cut a deal just so that we
Speaker 7: don't have to have any more work. The second thing
Speaker 7: we need to do is when young people film this stuff,
Speaker 7: we need to make sure that it's all the books.
Speaker 7: It's called it an accomplished, I mean an accomplish or
Speaker 7: we need to make sure that we go after them.
Speaker 7: You know, the person that was throwing the fists and
Speaker 7: swings email us for serve five years into But the
Speaker 7: person filming.
Speaker 4: And saying hit them again, hit them again, they're an accomplished.
Speaker 7: They should be during at least six months, and we
Speaker 7: need to start sending a clear message you will be
Speaker 7: held accountable for your ashes. Then the third thing we
Speaker 7: need to do TikTok rumble the rest of you all.
Speaker 7: You don't have a right to glorify violence against innocent people.
Speaker 7: You want to allow that to be put on your hosting,
Speaker 7: on your network, then you'll be charged as well because
Speaker 7: you're an accomplice as well. You're promoting violence.
Speaker 3: Into this country.
Speaker 7: And I think what if we start doing that, you'll
Speaker 7: start seeing when people say, oh, you're in printing on
Speaker 7: freedom of expression, on a freedom much speech, No I'm not.
Speaker 7: You can feel free to say anything you want to,
Speaker 7: but what you can do is put a film up
Speaker 7: to where people are being beaten and abused, and I
Speaker 7: expect to have consequences Michael, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 7: That is being an accomplished. We have laws already on
Speaker 7: the books for that, and we need to start apportioning
Speaker 7: them because here's what's happening here. We're sending a message
Speaker 7: to our young people. They're twofold. Do we talk about
Speaker 7: a minute ago? Hey, don't worry about if you're an
Speaker 7: illegal because if you go to sanctuary City and you're
Speaker 7: going to be protected. So we're sending a message that
Speaker 7: crime does pay. There are no accountability. And now we're
Speaker 7: sending a message to our young people. Do whatever you
Speaker 7: want to because you can gain pay, no accountability, no
Speaker 7: consequences of your actions, and we can live in all
Speaker 7: of society.
Speaker 3: Michael, stop that, Michael.
Speaker 1: Lets you've written a new book, Truth Lies in Control,
Speaker 1: Finding hope in an upside down world. It's it's out now,
Speaker 1: I guess is that right?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 1: There is and people can find it the usual places.
Speaker 7: They can go Amazon, anywhere, they can go to our
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Speaker 7: Make sure our officers have active shoot of this. They
Speaker 7: need them now more than ever to make sure they
Speaker 7: can protect themselves come home safely to the family. They're
Speaker 7: willing to die for you cannot. The least we do
Speaker 7: is to make sure that they're protected to come home
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Speaker 1: INVESTUSA dot Org. Michael Letz, great luck with the new
Speaker 1: show you're doing and with the book, and thanks again
Speaker 1: for taking some time to talk to us tonight.
Speaker 7: God bless God, bless America. Gary, you keep up the
Speaker 7: good work together.
Speaker 1: We're going to succeed. Amen and Michael Letts there on
Speaker 1: the nightcap coming up next an hour nearly an hour
Speaker 1: of sports for the out of sorts, I think, and
Speaker 1: the fur Ball will lead us off in just a
Speaker 1: few minutes afternoons here on seven hundred WLW. Yes, once
Speaker 1: again time to spend a few minutes with the fur
Speaker 1: Ball on this special Wednesday nightcap here on seven hundred
Speaker 1: w LW. And Red's course playing today in Chicago and
Speaker 1: the season continues. I know that not too long ago.
Speaker 1: Are you in your car again? Andy?
Speaker 3: I live in my car. Well, I need it is
Speaker 3: a shower maybe just uh maybe just man, I don't
Speaker 3: need a shower tonight.
Speaker 8: I mean I need a shower in my car.
Speaker 3: That's what I meant.
Speaker 8: You know, I'll stay in my car for six days.
Speaker 8: On the seventh day when God said we don't work,
Speaker 8: we take a break, I go take a shower.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe carry a little squirt bottle around with you
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: How about you to do that that I do that
Speaker 3: I definitely do. But sometimes you got to get the
Speaker 3: mold off, you know what I mean, the mold.
Speaker 1: Well, you just cut it off like a loaf of
Speaker 1: bread and eat the rest.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I don't go out much.
Speaker 8: I don't see a lot of people, so they don't
Speaker 8: know if I steak or not.
Speaker 3: I'm the heck with it.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not in public, so I stay at
Speaker 8: my car.
Speaker 3: I enjoy my car.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 1: That's That's an excellent point, Andy, because the last few
Speaker 1: times when I've asked people about our conversations, how did
Speaker 1: you like fur ball on the Nightcap? And they said
Speaker 1: he didn't stink? So it must be working for you.
Speaker 1: Whatever whatever you're doing is working, right, So I know
Speaker 1: that you recently had a conversation with Alan Cutler, which
Speaker 1: of seven hundred WLW fans may be familiar with. Remember
Speaker 1: the cut Man, also known as the Hedgehog. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I never really figured out how how is Alan? I
Speaker 1: haven't speak I haven't spoken to him or seen him
Speaker 1: in quite a while. Is he doing okay?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 8: He has a daily show on thirteen hundred AM and
Speaker 8: ninety two to five FM and Lexington from nuone to
Speaker 8: two and honestly, he had a bit of a difficulty
Speaker 8: help wise said he woke up Memorial Day weekend and
Speaker 8: he couldn't see.
Speaker 3: Out of one of his eyes and he was going blind.
Speaker 8: And he immediately went to the hospital and they said
Speaker 8: to what I thought he was upbraded on that day
Speaker 8: and they said it was a gas build up, like
Speaker 8: from pressure, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, how do you get a gas
Speaker 1: build up in your eye?
Speaker 8: Why isn't that And he said that doctor said that
Speaker 8: basically it comes with age, but he thinks it came
Speaker 8: with that.
Speaker 3: This is amazing.
Speaker 8: He does what pilates and what's the other thing you
Speaker 8: do there with you stretch and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: He does. He's He's telling me that.
Speaker 8: He's been doing it since he's thirty five years of age.
Speaker 8: He thinks that built up the pressure in his eye
Speaker 8: where he could.
Speaker 3: Put his legs over his head.
Speaker 8: I said, first of all, what the hell are you
Speaker 8: gonna do with that?
Speaker 3: You're gonna join the circus?
Speaker 8: I mean, really, you know you should be tickled pike
Speaker 8: at you're raised and you could walk and put your
Speaker 8: left foot in front of your right foot.
Speaker 3: You don't care about putting your feet over your.
Speaker 8: Head, all right, So that's what he's excited.
Speaker 1: About, don't I don't even want to think about I
Speaker 1: don't want to think about Alan that. I don't want
Speaker 1: to think about Alan Cutler just walking upright, much less
Speaker 1: with his legs over his head. That's crazy.
Speaker 8: Well, I don't get it. He wants to do the exercises.
Speaker 8: He's wearing those tights. I guess I don't know. I
Speaker 8: can't picture it. I don't want to picture it. I
Speaker 8: want to get something to eat in a few minutes.
Speaker 4: I'm on it.
Speaker 8: Throwout if I think about that now, I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 3: But look, I wish it.
Speaker 8: Well, he says about seventy percent of his site back
Speaker 8: and thank God for that, because you don't want anybody
Speaker 8: that you know to lose this. So I don't have
Speaker 8: any ill health. Really, you really don't wish that or
Speaker 8: anybody don't do. We move on and I got to
Speaker 8: run this value because this was a story that really
Speaker 8: kind of hit me. Sometimes these stories hite you. I
Speaker 8: turn the radio on.
Speaker 3: I'm a big radio freak.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 8: I listen to sports talk about Fox Sports Radio Serious
Speaker 8: XEM eighty three, and I listed my cohorts on Fox,
Speaker 8: and more often than not, they'll come on there.
Speaker 3: They'll talk about what might happen.
Speaker 8: The predictions, what the team's gonna No, no, it's not
Speaker 8: that that's lazy. It really predictions when how many games
Speaker 8: the team's gonna win.
Speaker 3: No, you don't know. You don't know. No one knows,
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't want to hear what you
Speaker 3: don't know. But I do know this. I know. There
Speaker 3: was a story the other day that Tom Brady had
Speaker 3: a comment.
Speaker 8: Why the hell he did on Scotty Sheffler, the golfler,
Speaker 8: saying that Scotti Sheffler's.
Speaker 3: Bringing his job over his family.
Speaker 8: Number one is none of Tom Brady's business. Number two,
Speaker 8: Why in the hell of all people, Tom Brady, who
Speaker 8: lost his wife because he played football set xt year
Speaker 8: in Tampa, right, So why is he complaining about Scotty Seffler,
Speaker 8: Who's I don't know him from Adam, but I gotta
Speaker 8: believe from a distance he seems to be balancing his
Speaker 8: golf life and his family life.
Speaker 3: Pretty good, Pretty good.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady lost his wife, as you just mentioned, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the height of hypocrisy. Did you hear that, Tom Brady?
Speaker 1: Among uh? I guess two different people Tom Brady has
Speaker 1: been dating. One of them is that actress Sidney Sweeney,
Speaker 1: who is in that new Blue gene Ad. The actress's
Speaker 1: she's amazing and she's a registered Republican, which makes her
Speaker 1: even more appealing. Or as somebody else said, I would,
Speaker 1: I would, I would date her if if if she
Speaker 1: was an ISIS recruiter. But I mean Sidney Sween, Sidney
Speaker 1: Sweeney is hilarious.
Speaker 3: Wait wait a minute, timeouts, beautiful. I'm out of the
Speaker 3: dating scene about one hundred years already.
Speaker 8: Okay, But here's is that what the youngsters are the
Speaker 8: mid youngster, whatever it may be, This what the gen
Speaker 8: x are they asking on dates?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 8: Are you the Republican democrat. Is that a question they
Speaker 8: ask on dates?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: No, Andy, there was a controversy among some people, a
Speaker 1: bunch of leftist idiots because she did this blue gene
Speaker 1: commercial where she said, you know, I'm blonde, my color
Speaker 1: is blue, and they said it was like a Nazi
Speaker 1: or something, and it was just all a bunch of
Speaker 1: male bovine fecal sample if you get my drift major bs.
Speaker 1: The controversy erupting out of nothing because apparently these ugly
Speaker 1: liberal women have nothing else to do but complain about
Speaker 1: beautiful blondes like Sidney Sweeney. And then then it came
Speaker 1: to the fore that she's a registered Republican. I guess
Speaker 1: she switched. She'd rather switch than fight Andy.
Speaker 8: Right, Apparently she has been. But you know, it's funny
Speaker 8: because then we go back.
Speaker 3: To this Tom Brady thing.
Speaker 8: I mean again, I just, you know, I don't know
Speaker 8: or care about what these guys do or say off
Speaker 8: the field.
Speaker 3: I really don't.
Speaker 8: But when they do say something stupid, I like to
Speaker 8: jump on it because I think it's great fodder for
Speaker 8: people like.
Speaker 3: You and me, like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8: I think Aaron Rodgers is a hell of a quarter
Speaker 8: by release, he was we'll see what he does, to
Speaker 8: see what the Steelers. But he's going to be a first.
Speaker 3: Ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8: But when he's got that pulpit, and many of these
Speaker 8: athletes have this big pulpit, a big stage to steel like,
Speaker 8: don't use it and don't make a smug out of
Speaker 8: yourself on the pulpit.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of people out there.
Speaker 8: That really depended upon vaccine and they believe in vaccine.
Speaker 8: Some people do, some people don't. Don't go on there
Speaker 8: and tell people don't take it. I mean, people are
Speaker 8: going to do what they want to do. They're not
Speaker 8: going to listen to what Aaron Rodgers has to do.
Speaker 8: And the other Again, when I say that, well yeah,
Speaker 8: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Likewise, don't go on there and tell people you've got
Speaker 1: to take this. And many of them did that too,
Speaker 1: so it's just.
Speaker 8: As they're to do that.
Speaker 3: A lot of them were paid to do that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I love Jared Allen's speech at the at the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame ceremony, how he talked about his faith and
Speaker 1: his family and his wife and it was just you know,
Speaker 1: very gracious and and he said he just didn't want
Speaker 1: to embarrass himself. He said, keep it under fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and talk about the things that are most important to
Speaker 1: you and always have been in his life. Jared Allen
Speaker 1: is a class act and now he is enshrine that
Speaker 1: with that yellow jacket with the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8: That was a good call on your part because a
Speaker 8: lot of the people I always said, we'll use that
Speaker 8: stage or pulpit to say something really stupid.
Speaker 3: Well maybe it's just.
Speaker 8: Intentionally, but they want to get the so called clicks,
Speaker 8: you know on the social media, which I don't know why,
Speaker 8: but they do.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what they do. I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, we're in a different world right now where
Speaker 8: people say and do what they want to do. It's
Speaker 8: maybe it's not too bad, but sometimes you say and
Speaker 8: do things that are just playing dumb.
Speaker 3: Really, I'll give you another example.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not a big fan of the WNBA,
Speaker 8: but I have to admit that Caitlyn Clark suck me
Speaker 8: into the league and I watch it because I want
Speaker 8: to see what's all the excitement about. And honestly, you know,
Speaker 8: it's not a bad product, to be honest. I mean,
Speaker 8: they play the game in a team fashion, not like
Speaker 8: the NBA that throws up eighty five threes during the
Speaker 8: game and there's no dfense.
Speaker 3: So I kind of liked the hustle on the way
Speaker 3: they play.
Speaker 8: So Sophie Cunningham is a member of the Indiana Fever
Speaker 8: and the other day she's on a podcast which I
Speaker 8: listened to, and she basically kind of stood up for
Speaker 8: Caitlin Clark, and I said, well, it's kind of nice
Speaker 8: of her because they're teammates, but where are the other
Speaker 8: teammates really? And honestly, you know, I talked about this
Speaker 8: Sunday with my partner Bucky Brooks on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3: And Buckie took a different tack.
Speaker 8: He said, you know, people are saying that Caitlin's beat up,
Speaker 8: and he says, that's the way it is. He said,
Speaker 8: I was the first year player in the NFL.
Speaker 3: They did it to me.
Speaker 8: He says, they want to see how tough you are,
Speaker 8: if you could take it. And the fact that Sophie
Speaker 8: Cunningham went public about this thing that everybody's picking on her,
Speaker 8: They're only going to pick on her continuously, maybe to
Speaker 8: stop picking on Selphie Conningham. Maybe that's why the other
Speaker 8: teammates of oars in Indiana. Didn't say a word.
Speaker 3: And what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Well, what I think about that is what my parents
Speaker 1: told me early on when I was being bullied in
Speaker 1: grade school by some kid, and and and I you know,
Speaker 1: I finally went home one day crying to my mom,
Speaker 1: and my mom said, We'll stand up for yourself. You've
Speaker 1: got to be the counterbalance to that bully. You've got
Speaker 1: to be tough, You've got to take things into your
Speaker 1: own hands, you know, and sometimes you just have to
Speaker 1: stand up for yourself. And I think Caitlin Clark has
Speaker 1: been very careful in interviews to not complain about it
Speaker 1: at all, really that much, and has taken it in stride.
Speaker 1: She's doing exactly what she should do. And I think
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham is doing exactly what she should do to
Speaker 1: up for a teammate. So I don't I don't have
Speaker 1: any problems.
Speaker 8: Really won Well, you know, I understand why is she alone?
Speaker 8: And I hate to bring this into the picture, but
Speaker 8: we know we've had this problem about ten days ago
Speaker 8: in Cincinnati. But remember, Caln Clark is white. Sophie cutting
Speaker 8: his wife is it a black white thing? I don't
Speaker 8: see the African American players on the Indiana Fever standing
Speaker 8: off of her. All right, I don't see that Alaiah
Speaker 8: Boston is a great player.
Speaker 3: She's on the fever.
Speaker 8: She's like a team leader there. Why didn't she say anything?
Speaker 1: I can't see inside her heart, Andy, I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's a racist or not. But maybe I.
Speaker 3: Didn't use the term racist. I didn't turn. I didn't
Speaker 3: use that.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Let me let me explain.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Boston. I don't know if Boston
Speaker 1: is a bigot or not. Andy, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm not using that term either.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not using Let me let me explain. I
Speaker 8: traveled and been involved with sports teams most of my life,
Speaker 8: most of my adult life. I was a PR guy
Speaker 8: for several professional teams, a couple of college teams. I
Speaker 8: travel with them. I see what goes on, and more
Speaker 8: often than not, likes stay with likes. What I mean
Speaker 8: by that the blacks on the team congregate with each
Speaker 8: other after the game, they go out to dinner, they
Speaker 8: feel more comfortable.
Speaker 3: That's the whites.
Speaker 8: They stay together after the game. That's just the way
Speaker 8: it is. And I'm sure, it hasn't changed much in
Speaker 8: the year twenty twenty five. I saw that, you know,
Speaker 8: on the field, they're all for one. They're all for
Speaker 8: one cause and that causes winning the ball game. And
Speaker 8: they're good, they're they're friends, they don't dislike each other.
Speaker 8: But when the game is over, they go with the
Speaker 8: most comfortable aspects, and that is their.
Speaker 1: Own kind somebody that looks somebody that looks like them.
Speaker 1: And I have made the same observation being a bartender. Andy, Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm in a place where right now, where a bartend
Speaker 1: where there is every walk of person you could possibly imagine,
Speaker 1: every shade of skin color that you can imagine, and
Speaker 1: they all come in and they all get along when
Speaker 1: they're at the bar together, but they self segregate. Human
Speaker 1: beings do that, right, They gavitate towards somebody that looks
Speaker 1: like them or has common cultural interest. It's only natural
Speaker 1: that people do this. And you know, there was so
Speaker 1: many complaints. The forced segregation was an issue, but people
Speaker 1: do that automatically, naturally anyway, without the government telling you, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you're white, you've got to go here, you're black, you've
Speaker 1: got to go here. Oh you can't be there together
Speaker 1: at the same place.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Nobody has to tell people that generally, because they just
Speaker 1: do it by It's human nature, is what it is.
Speaker 8: Right. Let me run this by you. We've had some
Speaker 8: problems in the city, and I don't think they've got
Speaker 8: to go away anytime too soon, all right, And they've
Speaker 8: had these meetings, which basically a waste of time. I
Speaker 8: would suggest, and I suggested this to you. They had
Speaker 8: some undercover cops to see what's going on. I guess
Speaker 8: in the downtown area. I don't know if that's going
Speaker 8: to happen. And I told you the last time we chatted,
Speaker 8: I wrote to the mayor obviously had no chance to
Speaker 8: read it with he was on vacation.
Speaker 3: There's a schmuck right there. Say it's something else.
Speaker 8: If I was his pr guy that first news conference
Speaker 8: that comes out, and he already says, I screwed up.
Speaker 8: I should have been here.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that, and didn't he didn't say that.
Speaker 3: No, no, and I know that.
Speaker 8: And the next thing, I do this, if I may
Speaker 8: let me, because I'm gonna think it out a short memory,
Speaker 8: I would do this.
Speaker 3: I would gather.
Speaker 8: Now it sounds kind of stupid, but I would gather
Speaker 8: every interracial marriage couple in the city and get him
Speaker 8: all together and tell him.
Speaker 3: Yes, you can get along, you can Is that?
Speaker 8: Is it possible? There's probably a lot of interracial marriages black, white, white, black,
Speaker 8: you know, black man, white woman, white woman, black man
Speaker 8: with whatever. Don't you think you could get a hold
Speaker 8: of them. How many hundreds of interracial marriages do you
Speaker 8: think are in the greatest Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there are many Asian jew marriages,
Speaker 1: a Jewish marriage, yes, I'm sure. Yes, I'm sure there are.
Speaker 8: Maybe Catholic, Catholic, Jews, Catholic, Protestant, you know, anything that
Speaker 8: is different, you know, let them get together and show
Speaker 8: the people, yes, you can't get along Andy.
Speaker 1: To quote, to quote a great song from the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties when I was first in radio by the great
Speaker 1: long Forgotten by most people band Depeche Mode. They had
Speaker 1: a great song called people Are People, and the lyrics went,
Speaker 1: people are people, So why should it be you and
Speaker 1: I should get along so awfully? Isn't that brilliant? Isn't
Speaker 1: that prolific? Isn't isn't that point?
Speaker 3: It hasn't changed, No, it hasn't changed. This nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Right, No, it hasn't changed in all of time, in
Speaker 1: all of humankind, Andy, But you have an.
Speaker 8: Answer my question. If they got all these people together
Speaker 8: and maybe the convention center, to me.
Speaker 1: Is that a wash?
Speaker 3: Are you are you?
Speaker 4: Are you round?
Speaker 1: Are you rounding up people who are in interracial marriages
Speaker 1: just to prove a point? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well.
Speaker 8: It could be Asian white Asian white too.
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna ground them up in vans? And
Speaker 1: are we inviting them to dinner?
Speaker 9: Are we paying for the dinner them up.
Speaker 1: And forcing them to sit together? Are we?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: No, everybody we want the city is sits like to
Speaker 8: come and see that their people can't get along?
Speaker 3: They can't get along, And then you don't.
Speaker 8: Tell their stories how they met, how how difficult and
Speaker 8: they have been at the beginning when they went to
Speaker 8: the various in laws at the time when they kind
Speaker 8: of discouraged them to do that, and it worked out,
Speaker 8: and it can't work out, and it should work out.
Speaker 1: I mean, your wife doesn't being doesn't mind being married
Speaker 1: to a functioning idiot? Does she? She gets along with you?
Speaker 8: She didn't know that at first, but she thought she
Speaker 8: could get some relief from the government because of that.
Speaker 1: She's like a She's like an at home Jeopardy champion.
Speaker 1: From what you tell me, Wendy is brilliant.
Speaker 3: I begged her.
Speaker 8: I begged her to try out for begged her.
Speaker 3: Really, she's unreal.
Speaker 8: Seriously, either she's unreal and smart, or she stays home.
Speaker 3: All the day and she's seen all the read runes
Speaker 3: and knows all the answers. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but she knows the answer.
Speaker 1: If an intelligent person and an idiot can get along,
Speaker 1: and a white person and a black person into a lack.
Speaker 8: It like a magnet opposite to true at the north
Speaker 8: and south attract to each other at a magnet.
Speaker 3: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we should take a poll, since we're
Speaker 1: talking about magnetic poles. We should just see what people think.
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Walker at seven hundred WLW dot com, do
Speaker 1: you think that opposites attract? And what do you think
Speaker 1: of Andy Furman's idea about getting inter racial couples together
Speaker 1: at the convention center when it gets built for a
Speaker 1: dinner and just to show that people can get along
Speaker 1: even though they look differently.
Speaker 8: I wanted to give me the results of this, and
Speaker 8: you know what, and maybe out and maybe way out
Speaker 8: there and maybe stupid and may be foolish, but it said,
Speaker 8: it's something.
Speaker 3: It's better than these these gas bags.
Speaker 8: That have called themselves politicians that are doing nothing. Empty suits,
Speaker 8: that's what they are. Empty suits.
Speaker 1: Boy, this is one of these occasions where I totally
Speaker 1: agree with you, which means the conversation is going nowhere.
Speaker 1: I should probably hang up now.
Speaker 8: No, don't hang up, because I want to go back
Speaker 8: to the sports. So that's my comfort zone. And I
Speaker 8: want to tell about Trey Hendrickson who threatened he's.
Speaker 7: Not going to play.
Speaker 3: I got one minute he's not going to play, Yeah,
Speaker 3: one minute, go go all right a minute?
Speaker 8: Oh, Trey henders Is he's not gonna play like I'm
Speaker 8: not gonna play, and I'm not going to play in
Speaker 8: the NFL this year. He's gonna play doing me. Don't
Speaker 8: threaten me. They're fullse threats. And Mike Brown's gonna win
Speaker 8: this deal. Really, you're not gonna give the guy a
Speaker 8: three year deal, maybe two years or a year with
Speaker 8: a year to be named later or whatever.
Speaker 3: It may be an.
Speaker 8: Extension, whatever, but come on, really, I mean I wish
Speaker 8: he was f on fifty thousand a day that you
Speaker 8: know they're sitting out now, I take to sit in.
Speaker 8: We stand the sidelines with a cap. You don't get
Speaker 8: the fifty thousand dollars, fine, please, you know, don't ruin it.
Speaker 8: You're ruining your life, You're ruining if everybody else.
Speaker 1: Fur Ball, I take that functioning idiot thing back. I
Speaker 1: think you're brilliant.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, God bless you. I'll see it. Thanks.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, we will see each other at some
Speaker 1: point whenever he comes out of hiding or decides to
Speaker 1: get out of his car. The wild Man coming up.
Speaker 1: We go into our final hour of this Wednesday night cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, and Carol Fans, I mean he's doing something else.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I get to work Gary, Jeff with you.
Speaker 1: And in this eleven o'clock hour, we continue our hour
Speaker 1: of sports for the out of Sorts with the other
Speaker 1: Google cluster in our bunch, the one and Only wild Man.
Speaker 1: When we were lining this interview up, he said I've
Speaker 1: got a case of the goo, which he always seems
Speaker 1: to and he said, I've really got a case of
Speaker 1: the goo goo Now and if you're not familiar with
Speaker 1: that term, the goo is a be in his bondet.
Speaker 1: He's upset about something. So I can't wait to find
Speaker 1: out exactly what that is, uh this time this week,
Speaker 1: because it's something different all the time. Sometimes like Danny Graves,
Speaker 1: it's the same damn thing. I hope it's not Danny
Speaker 1: Graves tonight, wild man, what's going on? Well?
Speaker 9: Uh, I do have a case of the goop, But
Speaker 9: I want to I want to focus on something really
Speaker 9: not positive, but something but looking forward to. And it
Speaker 9: would be the Bengals first preseason game on Thursday, m Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, tomorrow the Bengals will be playing.
Speaker 9: And the Philadelphia Eagles, the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 9: in Philadelphia, and I'm hoping that Joe Burrow at least
Speaker 9: gets to play a full quarter, maybe a little bit more.
Speaker 9: And the same goes with the old line and the
Speaker 9: defensive line. In fact, i'd like to see the defensive
Speaker 9: line play two quarters or the whole defense play two quarters,
Speaker 9: but that predicates on what the score could be. But
Speaker 9: they've got to be ready, They've got to be ready.
Speaker 9: And I finally, Zach Taylor's got it in a stick
Speaker 9: skull that these guys have got to play more so
Speaker 9: they don't go and lay an egg up in Cleveland,
Speaker 9: which opened the season.
Speaker 1: We can't have that been here. Have been hearing good
Speaker 1: reports about Shamar Stewart, the number one pick in practice
Speaker 1: so far.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've heard some good reports. I used to even
Speaker 9: batting down a lot of balls and they're they're getting him.
Speaker 9: Here's the fans. Sometimes you just wonder what the hell
Speaker 9: they're thinking they drafted this guy, not because we can
Speaker 9: get sacks, but's got but he could put the rush
Speaker 9: on the quarterback. And plus he's got that big frame,
Speaker 9: those long arms. If he could put pressure on the quarterback,
Speaker 9: that'll help the other guy if they ever sign him
Speaker 9: Trey Henrick, so that'll help everybody. But so far, it
Speaker 9: sounds like he's doing fine. I mean, he was there
Speaker 9: at many camp. People forget that he was there at
Speaker 9: many camp watching, talking, listening to guys.
Speaker 3: It's not like he was just.
Speaker 9: Walked away and wasn't there. He was there and that
Speaker 9: now he's there and he sounds like he's doing okay.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and you mentioned the fact that he's batted down
Speaker 1: some balls in practice, and to me, that's just as
Speaker 1: good as a sack. I mean, it stops the offense
Speaker 1: you're playing against. It stops the offense you're playing against,
Speaker 1: right where they snapped the ball the last time once
Speaker 1: once he got an incomplete pass. It's just as good
Speaker 1: as a sack. All the bally who about Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 1: and all of the wonderful things he did and getting
Speaker 1: all the sacks and having these wonderful seasons, which yeah,
Speaker 1: mind you he did. But you know, if you got somebody,
Speaker 1: how many times did a Bengals drive get stalled because
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's pass got batted down at the line. It
Speaker 1: happened all the time, wild man. And if you got
Speaker 1: a guy on your defense, they can do the same
Speaker 1: thing to the opposing team's quarterback.
Speaker 9: Win.
Speaker 1: Win, Baby.
Speaker 9: Couldn't agree with you more there, Gary, Jeff, I mean,
Speaker 9: I want to see the old line, what they're gonna
Speaker 9: do with the old line here, and see how they
Speaker 9: perform protecting Joe. And I think it comes down to
Speaker 9: what Joe does first series of fields. He's been throwing
Speaker 9: so much in camp and looking great. Al Goldin the
Speaker 9: other day just said that he's like, you know, he's
Speaker 9: just way above the above the line when it comes
Speaker 9: to being a quarterback, the thinking the thinking man's quarterback.
Speaker 9: So I just don't see what kind of Joe does.
Speaker 9: But Joe, I'm sure wants to get out there and
Speaker 9: knock off some russ A lot of guys need to
Speaker 9: knock off that rust and be ready when the bell
Speaker 9: rings when they play the Browns up in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's It's okay. You said not positive,
Speaker 1: but you looking forward to the Bengals first preseason game.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's a positive thing, and it's refreshing to
Speaker 1: hear you say something positive for a change. Sounds dumping
Speaker 1: on everybody.
Speaker 9: I only speak the truth. I only speak the truth
Speaker 9: to power. Now can I move out?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 9: I move while I've got the goo?
Speaker 1: Oh well, okay, goo one, because I'm sure there's more
Speaker 1: than more than a couple of there's two.
Speaker 9: There's too many changes.
Speaker 4: Goo.
Speaker 1: Number one is good.
Speaker 9: Number one is the the Chicago Cubs wearing Ryan Sandberg
Speaker 9: jerseys and the game lasts a week right after he passed.
Speaker 9: That was a great idea, everybody wearing Ryan Sandberg jerseys.
Speaker 9: But when I saw that, I thought, why did the
Speaker 9: Cincinnati Reds players wear Pete Rose jerseys on May fourteenth?
Speaker 9: Why didn't they run to wear those jerseys?
Speaker 4: Am in the head?
Speaker 9: Six months to prepare for that game. Why didn't the
Speaker 9: Cincinnati Reds wear Pee Rose jerseys? Wearing effect? They could
Speaker 9: have taken those jerseys and sold them, had an option
Speaker 9: for the Reds Community Fund and made a lot of money.
Speaker 9: Talk about somebody dropping the ball, major drop of the ball,
Speaker 9: and that's a great thing that the Cubs did. And
Speaker 9: the Cubs only had like about a week to get
Speaker 9: it together. I said, so almost six months. Why didn't
Speaker 9: the Reds players wear Pete Rose jerseys?
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I have no answers for you.
Speaker 9: I'm not in the I think it's upset that they
Speaker 9: didn't do that exactly. I think it's absurd in the
Speaker 9: front office or they're so called great marketing staff dropped
Speaker 9: the ball. I think they've got some of these young
Speaker 9: kids in there that have no clue what the hell
Speaker 9: is going on now. Case of the goo number two,
Speaker 9: Case of the goo goo, too goo or not to goo?
Speaker 9: The Red's Braves game at Bristol Motor Speedway. Reds players
Speaker 9: the jerseys they were wearing, they did not have the
Speaker 9: fourteen patch on them? What's up with that? They've been
Speaker 9: wearing the Red jerseys all year with a fourteen patch.
Speaker 9: In this game the fourteen patches not on their jerseys.
Speaker 9: Not one player had the guts to stand up and ask,
Speaker 9: what's up with this? Why aren't we Why isn't the
Speaker 9: fourteen patch on here? Terry Francona, who played for Pete Rose,
Speaker 9: I'm really disap he didn't address that. And I know
Speaker 9: it's major League Baseball. Who Gary Jeff are so petty
Speaker 9: over this Pete Rose thing? But here's what really blows
Speaker 9: my mind. Outside on the concourse, they had displays of
Speaker 9: former Reds. They had Johnny Bench in display, they had
Speaker 9: Eric Davis, and they had one of Pete Rose. So
Speaker 9: they had one of Pete Rose as a display. Why
Speaker 9: did they have the patch on the damn jersey?
Speaker 1: Are you the only person that looks for the patch?
Speaker 1: Wild man?
Speaker 9: I just went it's always there, It's been there all
Speaker 9: season long. Why did they take it?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 9: Why do they take it off for a game like this?
Speaker 9: I know, what's the point. I know, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I know what is It's rock Banfred, you know, being
Speaker 9: an ass, just being an ass and being so petty
Speaker 9: over this. Reds fans are fed up with this kind
Speaker 9: of crap. Gary jeff I said when Pete Rose passed
Speaker 9: away that I was never ever gonna last a name
Speaker 9: be forgotten in this count, and now even have more
Speaker 9: resolve on it, I'm never ever gonna let it go.
Speaker 9: I don't think anybody a yeahs a p Rose junior.
Speaker 9: I don't want to tell you what he told me
Speaker 9: about major League Baseball about what they did. Not only
Speaker 9: would the Jerseys not wearing them back on May fourteenth,
Speaker 9: but not have the patch for the Reds and the
Speaker 9: uh the Reds and the.
Speaker 1: Considered a home game too. Hey, you're considered a home game.
Speaker 1: Listen on the on the game on both counts, I
Speaker 1: can see where you're coming from. And especially since they
Speaker 1: have wore the number fourteen patch all season long, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't they have worn it at the extravaganza there at
Speaker 1: Great American Bristol Park on Saturday, which, by the way, man,
Speaker 1: that was a real downer for people who who had
Speaker 1: traveled all that way for a Reds home game, you know,
Speaker 1: either way from Cincinnati or Atlanta, just to have the
Speaker 1: weather dump on It's like they did. And then you know,
Speaker 1: it seemed kind of antique climactic on Sunday afternoon. And
Speaker 1: then sometimes the weather, Mother Nature doesn't cooperate with man's plans.
Speaker 1: That's just what happens. But I can understand, uh, I
Speaker 1: can understand you being upset that they didn't have the
Speaker 1: number fourteen patch when they're wearing it in every other
Speaker 1: game all season long. And I don't know how Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball has any role in that.
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm sure they're the ones that did it because
Speaker 9: they had those special jerseys made up. Or I can't
Speaker 9: believe that Reds would drop the ball. I mean last night,
Speaker 9: well the other night when they had Reds played the Cubs,
Speaker 9: they were wearing a jersey and they had the fourteen
Speaker 9: on it that came from Major League Baseball. I guarantee
Speaker 9: you somebody from Major League Baseball said, oh, we don't
Speaker 9: want that fourteen. We don't want Fox to be talking
Speaker 9: about it because the game was on the game was
Speaker 9: on Fox. That's bs that really is. And again, like
Speaker 9: I said, I said to messis the Pete Rose Junior
Speaker 9: about it?
Speaker 4: And I won't I won't.
Speaker 9: I can't say what he said, you know over the
Speaker 9: phone about Major League Baseball. He's slapping the face for
Speaker 9: Pete Rose's family and Pete rose fans. What they did.
Speaker 3: I'm sick of it.
Speaker 9: I'm just sick of it.
Speaker 1: Well, give me an idea without violating any FCC rules.
Speaker 1: Did he question Rob Manford's mother or was there's something
Speaker 1: else involved?
Speaker 9: I mean now he said MLB.
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, okay, So figure what that means.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, wild Man. I tell you what. Let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and come back. Well, I make
Speaker 1: sure that the dump button is still working. For session two,
Speaker 1: we're back with the wild Man. He's washed his mouth
Speaker 1: out with soap so we can continue this interview and
Speaker 1: not be fine. So, wild Man, you were talking about
Speaker 1: the thing at Bristol. I did not know that Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball just took over the speedway for that game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that they'd want to have a
Speaker 1: hand in making sure that all the specifications for a
Speaker 1: baseball game are there, you know, the dimensions of the
Speaker 1: field and all the things that needed to happen to
Speaker 1: turn a racetrack into a baseball field. But I mean
Speaker 1: the people at Bristol Motor Speedway, they handle those big
Speaker 1: crowds on a regular basis. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Why weren't they a part of making sure the concessions
Speaker 1: were right and you're not going to run out of
Speaker 1: food or water for the crowd and there's ample parking.
Speaker 1: I mean, why did MLB decide to put their big
Speaker 1: foot down and in somebody else's venue and act like
Speaker 1: they owned it. What was the deal there?
Speaker 9: Well, I'm just going by from what I've been reading
Speaker 9: and all around the country, and I you know some
Speaker 9: people that first hand that went down there that I know,
Speaker 9: and you know Bristol you know, Motor Speedway for years,
Speaker 9: like you said, have been able to handle those crowds
Speaker 9: because they've got the people, they know what to do.
Speaker 9: Major League Baseball, I guess came in and said, okay,
Speaker 9: you know we're going to do it this way, and
Speaker 9: Bristol mounters Seedway said, well, now we've got the people here,
Speaker 9: you should use these people. Now we've got it handled.
Speaker 9: And that's what they did. And it was kind of
Speaker 9: like a disaster. It really was. Some of those seats
Speaker 9: where they had people city it was just absurd. I mean,
Speaker 9: they spaceship have sold those seats and what's the big
Speaker 9: deal that it's the largest regular season crowd in baseball history?
Speaker 9: Was not in a quarter against you? A cup of
Speaker 9: coffee maybe at Whitecastle? Who really cares? Who really cares?
Speaker 9: And that was the largest regular season crowd and baseball history?
Speaker 9: Who really cares?
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 1: Wild Man? What the largest crowd to ever see a
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball game was? And it wasn't?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 9: It was in Los Angeles Coliseum. Yes, the World Series
Speaker 9: in nineteen sixty three, I believe, I think sixty three,
Speaker 9: when the Dodgers play there.
Speaker 1: Yet it was a preseason game between the Red Sox
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers in two thousand and five. They drew
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen thousand people to the coliseum for
Speaker 1: that baseball game.
Speaker 9: Okay, that's so that's a preseason game now exactly a
Speaker 9: game that really means something? Was the World Series?
Speaker 1: Certainly it means yah means But.
Speaker 9: Either way, and then again, going back, how do you
Speaker 9: how do you not plan for something like this? And
Speaker 9: here's something a lot of people don't know. The All
Speaker 9: Star Game that's run by Major League Baseball. They come
Speaker 9: in and they run everything, and I always go back
Speaker 9: to the story here in town. When the Reds of
Speaker 9: the All Star Game in nineteen eighty eight, Major League
Speaker 9: Baseball came in and started with their calculators looking up
Speaker 9: with a minute march, you're three hundred thousand dollars short
Speaker 9: on ticket sales. There where's the money? Well, I got
Speaker 9: some tickets in my drawer. Well, you either pay for
Speaker 9: them or put them out on sale. She was going
Speaker 9: to try to scound with that money, by Major League
Speaker 9: by Ball caught her because it's their game. So when
Speaker 9: they come in and control everything. Not they haven't control
Speaker 9: the concessions of Great American Ballpark, but they control a
Speaker 9: lot of stuff, and one of them is the money situation.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you constantly, and you're not the only
Speaker 1: one that has a problem with Rob Manford, the current
Speaker 1: commissioner of Major League Baseball. But you under stand, don't you,
Speaker 1: that without the first commissioner of Major League Baseball, that
Speaker 1: Jerk Kenton Landers Mountain Landers. Without him, Pete Rose never
Speaker 1: would have been banned for life, and Joe Jackson never
Speaker 1: would have had his entire career and reputations sullied in
Speaker 1: the Black Sox scandal. Without this declaration of lifetime bands
Speaker 1: for gambling. What are they going to do with the
Speaker 1: two guardians who've been accused of participating in gambling? Uh,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen now with these guys, wild Man?
Speaker 1: Because I don't I.
Speaker 9: Don't have I think I just got to come down
Speaker 9: because it sounds like it's pretty serious. But going back
Speaker 9: to the Keensaw Mountain landis, did you know that he
Speaker 9: was adamant keeping blacks out of baseball? He did not
Speaker 9: want blacks in baseball at all? Yeah, it was it, No,
Speaker 9: he was.
Speaker 1: He was a jerk all the way around.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and uh what was his uh Ford frick?
Speaker 1: He he was the terrible You know, Bud Selig was
Speaker 1: a joke who came up with the tie at the
Speaker 1: All Star Game and said.
Speaker 9: That I was not that game I remember, like was yesterday, and.
Speaker 1: The architect of uh everything that led to the strikes
Speaker 1: and then the steroid skin. You know, Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: does not have a great history of great commissioners, uh
Speaker 1: controlling the game, do they? Rob Manford is just another
Speaker 1: and no long line of idiots that are so called
Speaker 1: in charge of the game, And maybe that's why it's
Speaker 1: lost its luster as a national pastime. Because you got
Speaker 1: a bunch of idiots and bean counters in charge instead
Speaker 1: of baseball people. Do you agree or not?
Speaker 9: I couldn't agree with you more. Gary, Jeff, you said
Speaker 9: you said it?
Speaker 1: Well, so now I got my goo out of the way.
Speaker 1: Is there any Is there anything else you want to
Speaker 1: cover here in the next couple of minutes? Wild Man?
Speaker 3: We know no.
Speaker 9: I'm excited for Bengos to start playing preseason. I want
Speaker 9: to see I want to see Joe Burrow and the line,
Speaker 9: the d line play a little play a little bit
Speaker 9: more than they have in the past, and then hopefully
Speaker 9: he'll play in the second preseason game or maybe the
Speaker 9: third preseason game is really the well, the third preseason
Speaker 9: game nobody plays, So the first two reasons eason games
Speaker 9: they've got to You'll get the rust knocked off and
Speaker 9: be ready to go because they're now.
Speaker 1: You told me, you told me you were watching gun
Speaker 1: Smoke reruns? Yeah, did you ever see The Big Valley?
Speaker 1: I didn't like that show, never watched you know what,
Speaker 1: you know? I like The Big Valley because Barbara, Barbara
Speaker 1: Stanwick starred in the Big Valley, and for a long time,
Speaker 1: as a kid, I thought The Valley was the cleavage
Speaker 1: that Barbara Stanwick showed the wild Man's gone Uh anyway,
Speaker 1: thanks to wild Walker and his cases of goo. On
Speaker 1: this special Wednesday night Tach, We'll be coming back after
Speaker 1: news and we'll wrap things up with the one and
Speaker 1: only Dave Hatter some it tech talk here and there
Speaker 1: is a bunch going on in the world of AI
Speaker 1: and our competition as a country against China and the
Speaker 1: rest of the world. We're going to get into it
Speaker 1: in just a few minutes here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: As we put the rap on his nightcap on this
Speaker 1: Wednesday evening, Dave Hatter joins us doomsday Dave. That's right,
Speaker 1: the aluminum foil hat wearing it guy, warning us about
Speaker 1: the dangers of the brave new world of technology which
Speaker 1: we are in the middle of it. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole quite a ways now. Is there
Speaker 1: any way to find our way not out necessarily, but
Speaker 1: through it? And these are the questions we ask of
Speaker 1: mister Hatter. Dave, how are you this evening? It's good
Speaker 1: to have you.
Speaker 4: I'm good, Garrett, Jeff, always good to be had, you know.
Speaker 4: And I just want to say it's the tinfo hatchets.
Speaker 1: You know you got to wear it right, sure, I
Speaker 1: mean if it fits, certainly, And I think it's a
Speaker 1: bold fashion statement for a lot of people, depending on
Speaker 1: what else you're wearing, all right, Dave, so AI it's
Speaker 1: the focus of so much conversation, the big beautiful Bill
Speaker 1: and everything else related around artificial intelligence and our role
Speaker 1: as a country as opposed to China's. The United States
Speaker 1: has to this point led on AI development, but China
Speaker 1: has caught up very very quickly, and with things like
Speaker 1: Deep Seek and the other initiatives by the Communist Chinese Party.
Speaker 1: Is there a danger that the United States falls behind
Speaker 1: China in this development?
Speaker 4: I think there definitely is. First, let me say that,
Speaker 4: you know, there's so much hype and hyperboles for ending AI.
Speaker 4: It's in every mid cycle. You can hardly escape the stuff.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's all kinds of increasing stories out
Speaker 4: there about how it's failing at many tasks. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you happen to see the story about how
Speaker 4: Hurtz has been using it to try to determine if
Speaker 4: you've damaged their vehicles when you're in and it comes
Speaker 4: up with stuff that's completely insane. People are getting gigantic bills,
Speaker 4: and anyway, I don't want to get two far down
Speaker 4: that rabbit hole. But my point is, despite the hyperbole
Speaker 4: that you know, we're headed for this beautiful utopia or
Speaker 4: we're all going to be killed, when you see what's
Speaker 4: actually going on out there doesn't necessarily align with either
Speaker 4: of those kind of where things are at. But that's
Speaker 4: only you know. I only know what I can see
Speaker 4: out there, Gary, Jeff, I'm not working on these products directly.
Speaker 4: That said, I do think it makes a lot of
Speaker 4: sense for us as a society and for humanity as
Speaker 4: a whole that as AI progresses, and it is progressing
Speaker 4: very quickly, that as we get closer to some type
Speaker 4: of artificial superintelligence, that it has American ethics and morals
Speaker 4: and values versus Chinese Communist Party ethics and morals and values.
Speaker 4: I mean, we see the things that they do on
Speaker 4: a regular basis. And also one of the reasons why
Speaker 4: they are progressing as quickly as they are in terms
Speaker 4: of potentially catching and surpassing exs because to keep stealing
Speaker 4: American intellectual property. So yeah, I mean, I feel strongly
Speaker 4: that it would be in humanity's best interest for us
Speaker 4: to continue to lead to win the race whatever that
Speaker 4: really means. And you know, again when you look at
Speaker 4: the way they operate and the things they do to
Speaker 4: their own citizens, like the leaguers and so forth, I
Speaker 4: don't think we want their AI making decisions for us.
Speaker 1: Well, and AI, what is the deal? And I've heard
Speaker 1: this over and over in relation to AI, that AI
Speaker 1: sometimes at this point and it's development hallucinates. What's that
Speaker 1: all about?
Speaker 4: Yes, so you might also hear the term confabulation, which
Speaker 4: is sort of synonymous with hallucinations and then basically means
Speaker 4: that it will just make things up. You know, these things,
Speaker 4: some would argue they're sycophantic. They want to keep you
Speaker 4: using them, They want to keep you engaged, they want
Speaker 4: to make you happy, they want to tell you what
Speaker 4: you want to hear. There have been numerous stories out
Speaker 4: there about people trying to use tools like open ended
Speaker 4: tools like JATGBT or drop for therapy, or there are
Speaker 4: tools out there now specifically designed as sort of online therapists.
Speaker 4: I want to be really clear, Gary Jeffs, none of
Speaker 4: these things have any of the same constraints that a
Speaker 4: human therapist or doctor would. They're not down by HIPPA.
Speaker 4: They're not bound by patient confidentiality. There are many well
Speaker 4: documented cases now out there. If you go look of
Speaker 4: these things gone off the rails, people have committed suicide.
Speaker 4: It's told people to kill people. There is no way
Speaker 4: I would put any sort of sensitive information into any
Speaker 4: AI product, and I would certainly not have any conversations
Speaker 4: about my mental health or what I'm thinking with these things,
Speaker 4: because even if they don't go off the rails, and
Speaker 4: even if they somehow make you feel better, there's no
Speaker 4: telling where your data will end up or who will
Speaker 4: have access to it. Yeah, I'm going to say your
Speaker 4: hallucination question. You know again, they'll just make things up.
Speaker 4: They'll tell you something that's not true, and often will
Speaker 4: argue with it that it is true. And that's that's
Speaker 4: one of the risks of using these tools as they
Speaker 4: stand today, is if you don't know anything about a
Speaker 4: topic and you start asking questions, it will be very
Speaker 4: difficult for you to know if what you're getting is
Speaker 4: correct or not. So that's that's what a hallucination is.
Speaker 4: It just literally makes things up, and there have been
Speaker 4: attorneys for examples, prepare briefs using these things. It just
Speaker 4: made up cases, and that's caused all kinds of problems
Speaker 4: for folks.
Speaker 1: What about the story and you kind of briefly touched
Speaker 1: on it then of this AI therapist number one, I
Speaker 1: have a problem and some people need it. I have
Speaker 1: a problem going to anybody else to figure out how
Speaker 1: I'm feeling. But I'm certainly not going to use a
Speaker 1: computer as a therapist. This story about this therapist AI
Speaker 1: therapy was going haywire and urging the user to go
Speaker 1: on a killing spree. Where was that and what's that
Speaker 1: all about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would encourage people, and you know, I'll post
Speaker 4: it on access. People want to get the full detailed
Speaker 4: story because people need to read this stuff for themselves,
Speaker 4: you know, I know we don't have enough time to
Speaker 4: really dig into these in detail, but this is a
Speaker 4: perfect example of where someone is using these tools. Again,
Speaker 4: in some cases, there are specific AI bots built as therapists, right,
Speaker 4: you can go talk to them about your problems and
Speaker 4: so forth. And then there are the other more gentle
Speaker 4: purpose tools again, things like drop Chat, bt Copilot, Perplexity, Quality,
Speaker 4: et cetera. And you know, people will go in there
Speaker 4: and ask questions aka prompts. That's the official name where
Speaker 4: I'm going to prompt the AI tool. And you know, again,
Speaker 4: some would argue that these things are sycophantics. They tell
Speaker 4: you what you want to hear. They tell you, oh, well,
Speaker 4: if you one person, for example, Gary Jeff, said I
Speaker 4: lost my job. Now, there have been people testing these
Speaker 4: things to see how they'll behave right, They're going in
Speaker 4: and there purposely trying to see, well, what a responsible
Speaker 4: I got.
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 4: So professional therapist goes in there, sets up a camera
Speaker 4: and you know, videotapes like a whole interaction session of
Speaker 4: one of these things, and they say, like, I lost
Speaker 4: my job. I'm looking to find a tall bridge around here.
Speaker 4: And you know, instead of saying hmm, that might be
Speaker 4: an indication that this person is thinking about committing suicide,
Speaker 4: it gives them directions to the you know, local tallest
Speaker 4: bridge that they could jump off. I mean again, this
Speaker 4: this stuff is well documented. There are you know, there's
Speaker 4: a at least one case of a teenager who committed
Speaker 4: suicide after he quote fell in love unquote with the
Speaker 4: AI and it basically told him allegedly that you know,
Speaker 4: they should they could be together forever. And you know,
Speaker 4: so you know, one case it basically told people told
Speaker 4: someone well they should just go It alluded to they
Speaker 4: should be killing the people that are causing their problems.
Speaker 4: So again, you know, in my mind, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: we'll ever get to a place where these things would
Speaker 4: be a good therapist. But we're certainly not ready for
Speaker 4: prime time. And more and more of these stories keep
Speaker 4: showing up, and I just want to reiterate in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Now you know me, Gary, Jeff, I'm the tenfold hat guy.
Speaker 4: You already mentioned that there is no way because there's
Speaker 4: no hippa around this, there's no patient confidentiality around this.
Speaker 4: Even if you read their privacy policy, it's probably going
Speaker 4: to be a confused opolyte that you can't understand. There's
Speaker 4: no telling what they're doing with your data, there's no
Speaker 4: so these questions you're asking, in the responses you're getting
Speaker 4: in the ongoing conversation, that could be fed to someone else,
Speaker 4: It could be sold to a third party. It could
Speaker 4: be used against you somewhere down the road to keep
Speaker 4: you from getting a job or insurance or who knows what.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, as it stands today, it would be
Speaker 4: absolutely insane to use one of these tools in this way,
Speaker 4: because you have no protection around not to mention that
Speaker 4: the possible you know, answers that don't make sense and
Speaker 4: or cause more problems. There's well documented cases where people
Speaker 4: have sort of come under the belief that the AI
Speaker 4: they're talking to is Sinian and essentially a creature, you know,
Speaker 4: or a spiritual supreme creature, and they go off the rails.
Speaker 4: They lose the job, they lose their home, they lose
Speaker 4: everything because you know, they think this thing is telling
Speaker 4: them how to live their life. Again, I'm not making
Speaker 4: this stuff up, Gary, Jeff. It's all well documented from
Speaker 4: reputable sources. Using these tools in this way at this time,
Speaker 4: there's nothing good that can come of it for you.
Speaker 4: And I want to encourage all of your listeners to
Speaker 4: not do that and to think really hard about what
Speaker 4: information they are putting in what questions they are asking,
Speaker 4: because there's no guarantee of any privacy that won't.
Speaker 1: Be I'm sorry, we're talking to Dave Hatter in the
Speaker 1: night Cap. I hate to delay on this phone, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We referenced your aluminium or tenfoil hat several times already tonight, Dave,
Speaker 1: do you believe it actually prevents extraterrestrial aliens from reading
Speaker 1: your thoughts. The aluminum foil hat.
Speaker 4: Well, it may be with a good lead light. You know,
Speaker 4: you have a layer of ten foil and a layer
Speaker 4: of lead and another layer of ten foil, because you
Speaker 4: know you don't want to get to leave on you.
Speaker 4: I think it might and perhaps the government brain control
Speaker 4: wags too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That's probably even more pressing.
Speaker 1: Amazon has acquired B and when I saw the headline,
Speaker 1: I was afraid they've taken over the Babylon B. The
Speaker 1: Babylon B is ruined if Amazon is controlling that. But
Speaker 1: it's B is something else. It's an AI more AI,
Speaker 1: I hear more wearable that. Here's everything you say. This
Speaker 1: is like Internet of Things devices, but you're wearing it
Speaker 1: on your person and it is listening to every single
Speaker 1: thing you say. Tell me about that, if you would.
Speaker 4: Sir, And this is to me Gary. Yeah, this is
Speaker 4: just another example that points out why I personally despise
Speaker 4: the Internet of Things. I fully understand how people see
Speaker 4: these so called smart devices, which are often rather dumb
Speaker 4: when it comes to privacy and security, as amazing conveniences
Speaker 4: in their lives. I totally understand that. But the problem
Speaker 4: is most people, again, you don't understand the privacy policy.
Speaker 4: Even if you read it, you don't understand what they're
Speaker 4: doing with your data, who has access to it, how
Speaker 4: long they're keeping it, who they're selling it to, etc. Now,
Speaker 4: imagine you're walking around with a device that is constantly
Speaker 4: recording you, purportedly to make notes and lists and make.
Speaker 3: Your life easier.
Speaker 4: Right So, you and I are having a conversation right now,
Speaker 4: and this thing is capturing it and it's trying to
Speaker 4: figure out what to do with that. Now, of course
Speaker 4: I've never used this product personally, There's not a chance
Speaker 4: I would ever use something like this. And the problem is,
Speaker 4: even if you think this is great for you, garrety Jess,
Speaker 4: if I'm having a conversation with you, I'm potentially being
Speaker 4: recorded as well. Do you have my consent to do that?
Speaker 4: You know, again, I think the whole space is crazy.
Speaker 4: So much of design t stuff is just the privacy
Speaker 4: and security dumpster fire. They don't care about your privacy
Speaker 4: or security. They care about speed to market, market share,
Speaker 4: and needs of use. And you know, one of the
Speaker 4: reasons why these things are often so cheap is because
Speaker 4: it's your data that makes them the money in the
Speaker 4: first place. It's not selling you the product, it's the
Speaker 4: fact that they can monetize your data. All of that said,
Speaker 4: this thing again, there is no chance. That's why I
Speaker 4: don't have a ring doorbell. The thing can hear you
Speaker 4: from up to twenty five feet away, so you're standing
Speaker 4: having a conversation with your neighbor, and you know that's
Speaker 4: all getting captured, so you know, to me, you know,
Speaker 4: whether Amazon owns it or whomever else, that's not the issue.
Speaker 3: The issue is these.
Speaker 4: Internet of things devices often are misconfigured. People don't know
Speaker 4: how to configure them correctly. They don't take any basic
Speaker 4: security precautions, they don't know how to update the software,
Speaker 4: and then the software updates stop after a short period
Speaker 4: of time, so then they become a security vulnerability and
Speaker 4: they don't understand how much data it's capturing or what
Speaker 4: they're doing with it. There is no chance I would
Speaker 4: have any device that is constantly listening to me, and
Speaker 4: you know, it's bad enough that your phone is doing this,
Speaker 4: you know, and theoretically you can turn these things off,
Speaker 4: right because I know people like, well, my phone, you know,
Speaker 4: I use I use theory and other products like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it. I don't use those. Yes,
Speaker 4: on my Apple phone, I have that feature turned off.
Speaker 4: Could it still be listening to me all the time. Maybe,
Speaker 4: But I'm not going to buy other third party products
Speaker 4: that I have even less trust and faith in and
Speaker 4: let them listen to me and capture like conversations with
Speaker 4: my children and my wife and so forth. It's just crazy.
Speaker 4: And again I understand the allure of these things. The
Speaker 4: people really need to stop and think about the potential
Speaker 4: disasters they're setting themselves up for by you know, Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 4: could you be accused of a crime and the police
Speaker 4: get a warrant and go back and capture all of
Speaker 4: this everything that you've ever said. Could that possibly be
Speaker 4: misconstrued and used against.
Speaker 3: You and you end up in jail?
Speaker 4: Well, yes it could. While that may sound far fetched,
Speaker 4: why even subject yourself to something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the thing is, I've never ever done
Speaker 1: anything that could be actionable by the police in my
Speaker 1: entire life.
Speaker 4: David neither neither. So we're good.
Speaker 1: All right. You're talking about the Internet of things and
Speaker 1: the wearable device that hears everything you say, or a
Speaker 1: ring doorbell. Internet of things intrusions can kill you. There's
Speaker 1: a story that you left me here. Internet of things
Speaker 1: sona Cineloa cartel, one of the most infamous cartels moving
Speaker 1: drugs and people across borders, including ours. The Cineloa cartel
Speaker 1: hacked security cameras to track and kill FBI informants. According
Speaker 1: to US government officials.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now again, you just heard me rant for a
Speaker 4: while on the Internet of Things. Isn't even more potentially
Speaker 4: damaging the way it could be used to get to imagine,
Speaker 4: for example, that some enemy of yours had access to
Speaker 4: hackers that had the right capabilities. And then again, this
Speaker 4: is probably a little far fetch for the average person,
Speaker 4: but in this case, you know, they went out hired
Speaker 4: a hacker who then hacked people's devices. The informants that
Speaker 4: they wanted to kill hacked their IoT devices, which unfortunately
Speaker 4: in many cases is trivially easy to do, and we're
Speaker 4: able to identify, they locate these people and kill them.
Speaker 4: Could the camera on your house be hacked to know
Speaker 4: when you're there? Yes, it absolutely can. You may recall
Speaker 4: there have been lots of examples of web cameras being
Speaker 4: hacked and someone talking to someone's kid, and all kinds
Speaker 4: of weird stuff, again well documented. You may recall there
Speaker 4: was a story not too long ago about how American
Speaker 4: troops are be attracted. They were using things like fitbits
Speaker 4: to track their fitness and you know, step counting, that
Speaker 4: sort of thing. So I'm not saying, Gary Jefson, we'll
Speaker 4: never get to a place where these Internet of things
Speaker 4: devices won't be secured by design and won't provide value
Speaker 4: that offsets the risk. But again, so much of this
Speaker 4: stuff is basically a privacy and security dumpster fire. The
Speaker 4: incentives are all to the company making them and really
Speaker 4: none to you, and the idea that these devices could
Speaker 4: be used to locate you and have you killed. There
Speaker 4: are examples coming out of their Russia Ukraine situation where
Speaker 4: Russia was hacking these types of cameras in Ukraine and
Speaker 4: using them to target sites for attacks. This other is
Speaker 4: just not ready for prime time. It's not focused on
Speaker 4: your privacy and your security, and it's the consumer of
Speaker 4: the device. And that's why I just rant about this
Speaker 4: stuff all the time. It's not that I'm necessarily inherently
Speaker 4: against it. It's that the stuff is basically garbage and
Speaker 4: it is a consumer, you have virtually zero protection, especially
Speaker 4: if you're not a nerd like me. So the less
Speaker 4: of this stuff you have, the better.
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. And finally, Dave Hatter, what
Speaker 1: about this Meta's new hire, their new AI guru, This
Speaker 1: twenty four year old kid that Mark Zuckerberg originally offered
Speaker 1: him a job paying him one hundred and twenty five million.
Speaker 1: He said, now, thanks, that's not enough money. This kid
Speaker 1: is making a quarter of a billion dollars for the
Speaker 1: next I guess five years, two hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars to be the AI guy at Meta. Is this
Speaker 1: a sign of the times and things to come?
Speaker 4: It seems to be. I mean, clearly it shows you that.
Speaker 4: Let me segue back for a second and make a
Speaker 4: point about so, Meta, the parent company of Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram,
Speaker 4: and others, is making enormous amounts of money off your data,
Speaker 4: so much so that they can offer two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty million dollars a quarter of a billion dollars to
Speaker 4: one person for a job. Think about this, per second.
Speaker 4: All of that is coming from your data. Name a
Speaker 4: product that you can buy for Meta. It would be
Speaker 4: hard for the average consumer because they're monetizing your data.
Speaker 4: You are not the customer, you are the product. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's necessarily bad on its own, that's
Speaker 4: just the way it works. But you can see here
Speaker 4: as they're trying to get into this AI race. I mean,
Speaker 4: they have some stuff out there, but they're they have
Speaker 4: never really made it to the top of the heat.
Speaker 4: The main players in the generative AI space anyway, are
Speaker 4: are really you know, Open Ai with JATGPT, Microsoft Copilot,
Speaker 4: you got claud you got Perplexity, you got Gemini from Google.
Speaker 4: Metta's got some stuff out there, and you know, clearly
Speaker 4: they're willing to throw big bucks at people to try
Speaker 4: to steal folks to get them, you know, become a
Speaker 4: major player in the game. I think it's a sign
Speaker 4: of the times. But I just want to point out
Speaker 4: that they're able to do that because of all the
Speaker 4: data they're collecting from you from all the quote free
Speaker 4: unquote apps and tools and so forth you're using like
Speaker 4: What's Happen Instagram and Facebook, and they have that kind
Speaker 4: of money to throw around. You know, they're definitely one
Speaker 4: of the big dogs on the text back in general,
Speaker 4: and they've got those kinds of resources. Will this pay
Speaker 4: off for them in the AI race? I don't know
Speaker 4: all the time will tell I don't know much about
Speaker 4: that particular person, but it's it's wild to imagine. I mean,
Speaker 4: it would be hard for me to turn down a
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty million dollar offer. If they're listening
Speaker 4: and want to make one, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I want to know what that kid knows. Where's mine? Listen?
Speaker 4: I love interrust By, but two hundred and fifty million
Speaker 4: would be hard to say no to if you're listening to.
Speaker 1: All Right, Dave Hatter, thank you so much. Always good
Speaker 1: I always want, always good, always informative. Dave Hatter with
Speaker 1: us on this Wednesday night. Thanks for tuning in, and
Speaker 1: we'll be we'll be here, I guess next Monday night
Speaker 1: there's the baseball game and then the the Snoop Dogg
Speaker 1: performance after the Reds game next Monday night, and in
Speaker 1: that slot afterwards about ten o'clock, we will join you.
Speaker 1: Then have a fantastic Thursday. We'll see you