WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:04.919 Well, I guess it is a midweek crisis. If you 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:08.480 were tuning in for Dan Carrell tonight, but now it's 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:11.720 me instead, Gary Jeff Walker on a very special Wednesday 4 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:16.719 Night tap here on seven hundred WLW. How are you. 5 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.800 I'm fine, Thanks for asking. Over the last few days, 6 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:23.320 my wife and I traveled to Middle Tennessee to see 7 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:27.199 my parents. My dad, god Willing, will be eighty nine 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.960 at the end of October. My mother just turned eighty 9 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.640 eight this past Sunday in August third, and it was 10 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:37.640 a thrill to be there and to spend time with them. 11 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.159 We really don't know how much time we have do 12 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.600 we no matter what age we are. But my dad 13 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:47.200 is suffering from mild congestive heart failure and rheumatoid arthritis. 14 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:49.000 If you've listened to me at all over the last 15 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.280 couple of weeks and cared, I've told you this, and 16 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:54.759 I appreciate all your prayers and all your support along 17 00:00:54.799 --> 00:01:00.719 the way for my parents. But if you've ever seen 18 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.959 the debilitating effects, especially in older people, of both of 19 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:10.040 those maladies, congestive heart failure and rheumatoid arthritis, you know 20 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.599 what or have some idea what my dad is going 21 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:16.120 through and it's just heartbreaking to see him hunched over 22 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:19.760 and have to use a rolater and oxygen everywhere he 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:26.480 goes at all times. What was extremely enlightening for me 24 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:29.560 was to see the strength of my eighty eight year 25 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:33.359 old mother taking care of him. And she's doing a 26 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:37.959 bang up job. I told somebody else, my mom is 27 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:43.359 kicking but and being nearly eighty nine with the problems 28 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:47.920 that he has, are kicking my dad's butt. And there 29 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.920 were a couple of times on the right home afterwards, 30 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:56.879 just cruising down the highway up sixty five where I 31 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:02.319 was brought to tears with the reality of what's going on. 32 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:09.639 But again, my mother at eighty eight, she's one of 33 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:14.360 those on wheels. She's incredible. So love to mom and dad. 34 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.960 And if you still are lucky enough to have your 35 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.280 mom and dad, if you're still blessed to have your 36 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.400 family together at this point in our lives, tell them 37 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.360 how much you love them, tell them how much they 38 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.840 mean to you. Visit them or talk to them as 39 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:37.520 often as you possibly can, because as sands through the 40 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:42.759 hour glass go the days of our lives, and there 41 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.560 is a finite set only God knows with that we 42 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.280 will turn you loose for the rest of tonight's special 43 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:54.520 Wednesday Night Show. Up next the author of Vaccines, Mythology, 44 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.879 Ideology and Reality. A guy has worked with the famous 45 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.240 doctor Peter McCullough, and he's written a new book. His 46 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.639 name is John Leek, The History of Vaccines, What vaccines 47 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:10.319 really are? And should we always air on the side 48 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.439 of the latest vaccine, be it COVID, be it whatever 49 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:21.280 it is. Some looks inside how the sausage is made, 50 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.960 so to speak. As we began this nightcap in minutes 51 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.680 here on seven hundred WLW at the top I mentioned 52 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.439 John Leak. He will join us at the bottom of 53 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.960 the hour right now from Compasscare USA, the leader of 54 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.599 that group, an advocate for life and a wonderful, wonderful 55 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.319 Christian man that I've had the pleasure of speaking with 56 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.240 on multiple occasions, is back with this, Reverend Jim Harden 57 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.360 from Compasscare USA. A pleasure to have you. How are you, sir, 58 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:53.840 That's an honor to be backerty. 59 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:54.479 Thanks for having me. 60 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:59.240 I'm doing well. Yeah. We still continue to have these 61 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:05.120 battles in the courts among very leftist judges who apparently 62 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:13.080 think in fantaside is just fine. An Obama appointed judge 63 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.600 just last week before cracked opened the courtroom door, and 64 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:23.279 Planned Parenthood's political foot soldiers marching out blocking the defunding 65 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:29.759 of Planned Parenthood in the President's One Big, Beautiful Bill. 66 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:34.439 I still don't understand why American taxpayers, who either have 67 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:43.759 moral objections to abortion or very sound scientific objections to abortion, 68 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.600 would like their tax dollars going to Plan Parenthood. You 69 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.879 guys have been doing something actively about it for years now, 70 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.959 and I understand that you've opened up a third Compass 71 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.800 care center in a borough of New York City, which 72 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:04.399 is like the infanticide capital of the world, at least 73 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.120 in this country. So tell tell me about the new 74 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.160 thing that you're opening up, and how many centers you 75 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:14.560 have for women who are in pregnancies and they don't 76 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:19.079 have anywhere else to turn but a place as draconian 77 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:22.439 as Planned Parenthood. Where are you opening this hub? 78 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.519 Yeah, we've got a new office opening in Staten Island. 79 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.560 We've got an office in Brooklyn, an office in the Bronx, 80 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:33.160 and an office across New York State and the key 81 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:37.800 abortion of hub cities like Buffalo, Rochester, all beneath the capital. 82 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:43.519 You know, we're the only ethical medical alternative for women 83 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:47.759 facing unplanned pregnancy and considering abortion in those in those 84 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.079 abortion hubs, I mean the big the biggest abortion hub 85 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.959 in America where there are more abortions per capital than 86 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.399 any other place is New York and and there are 87 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.920 more abortions just by by by the straight numbers in 88 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.720 in Brooklyn, which is King's County, than any other county 89 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:08.040 in America. Uh, we are actually providing true alternances. We're 90 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.680 actually truly empowering women with ethnical medical care and comprehensive 91 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.000 community support. And we don't get a dime of taxpayer money. 92 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:15.680 Think about that. 93 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.920 We actually believe that we're radically responsible for our neighbor. 94 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.000 Whereas you got you got pro abortion politicians in charge 95 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.639 of the downcout party that think that they want to 96 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:28.040 that's appropriate to use our taxpayer funds to fund their 97 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.920 pet industry. That that doesn't that doesn't get any virtually 98 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.040 no support from the grassroots. Look, this is purely the 99 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.079 abortion industry is propped up by our tax dollars. And 100 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:43.160 you see that starkly with the One Big Beautiful Bill 101 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.600 Act when it was passed the you know, the abortion 102 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:48.720 industry and all their all their you know, purveyors and 103 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.399 protectors in the in the political realm, lost their collective 104 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:57.040 minds when they earned that that Congress didn't want a 105 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:01.160 fund abortion anymore. And it wasn't specific target planned parented. 106 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:02.519 They just said, we don't want to fund plant, we 107 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.680 don't want to fund abortion. But then you've got this 108 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:09.800 judge out of Massachusetts, this rogue justice again undermining, uh, 109 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:13.600 the rule of law, the separation of powers, and insisting 110 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:18.079 that Congress fund their little pet industry abortion. This is 111 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:23.319 total fully usurpation of of uh, you know, of of 112 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:26.079 the legal system. I mean, it's a you're using the 113 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.319 legal system to undermine the rule of law. It's the 114 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:33.720 purview of Congress to decide what it wants to fund. 115 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:36.959 That is exactly why what that is supposed to the 116 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:38.480 budget is supposed to originate the House. 117 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.439 That is well, I've read the Constitution, Reverend Harden. That's 118 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.680 Congress's job is to control the purse strings and decide 119 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.560 what they are representing their constituents with what they're going 120 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:52.920 to have to pay for out of the taxes that 121 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:56.319 are collected. That's exactly Congress's job. It has nothing to 122 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.800 do with a judge in Massachusetts, there anywhere else in 123 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.360 this country exactly. 124 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:06.959 And I find it a little bit helpful to see 125 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.040 that this particular temporary restraining order the judge put on 126 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.319 the One Big Beautiful Bill Act was limited by virtue 127 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.439 of the Supreme Court's recent deficiency. You know, these rogue 128 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:22.920 judges can't can't put the brakes on any one thing nationally. 129 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.839 There has to be you know, they're extremely limited. So 130 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.160 in this case, it was limited to a handful of 131 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.040 planned parenthoods in a couple of states like Utah. I think, 132 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.840 so what this means is California, for example, all the 133 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.519 planned parent organizations in California stand to lose twenty five 134 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.240 million dollars a month. Actually they're already losing it. And 135 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:44.480 Governor Newsom can't make up the difference because he's got 136 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:48.720 a twelve billion dollar budget state budget deficit. Right, so 137 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:53.519 he's running from the ship too, like so many rats. 138 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:57.559 The abortion industry needs to go away. Look if you 139 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.200 don't look, doesn't matter where one stands on the the 140 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:05.120 moral debate of abortion. One shouldn't make the clear link 141 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.519 between a person and the economy. That's all you want 142 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.120 to do, right, The basic unit of an economy is 143 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:12.120 not a dollar, it's a person. And we just had 144 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:15.919 a report come out on recent crotilliar rates in the US. 145 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.480 We dropped below one point six for the first time ever. 146 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.960 Few nations have ever made it back from a fertiliarate 147 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:23.799 that low certillary rates have to be two point one 148 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:27.000 or greater to have just simply replace your population. And 149 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.080 now that we've solved the border crisis, our population in 150 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.919 America is starting to go down. This is bad news. 151 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:36.759 You can't sustain There is no sustainable economic model for 152 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.279 a flat or declining population base. You have to start 153 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.559 having families and children again. We have to get back 154 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:43.440 to what it means to be human, and the basic 155 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:49.279 unit of society is the family, the male father, female 156 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:53.679 mother with children, and that's where the next generation of 157 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:54.919 a healthy citizen comes from. 158 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.840 Well, I mean, there are two parents, so there should 159 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.440 be at least two kids to replace them, because eventually 160 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.799 we're all going to die, and just to maintain at 161 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:10.000 the same level two kids, uh in a in a 162 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.039 marital relationship. Why is why do you think planned parenthood 163 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:18.360 is treated as untouchable by both political parties Republicans and 164 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.879 Democrats and by these federal courts. Well, what's the reason. 165 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.759 Well, I think they have been for the last many years, 166 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:32.399 into facto government agency. They have been implementing, I believe, 167 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.879 a population control ideology. There's this ideology out there that's 168 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:41.600 driving a lot of political uh uh, you know, aspirations 169 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.279 and policies that the world is dying and that and 170 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.000 that humanity is a virus and that we need to 171 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.320 we need to control ourselves and what the world go wild? 172 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.840 That's instead of what what what the Bible says, the fruitful, 173 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.360 multiply and to do the earth. They're same the opposite. 174 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.559 Let the earth, you know, go wild and do yourselves. Well, 175 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.879 I'm not I'm not saying we shouldn't be good stewards 176 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.320 of the world and of the world's resources. I'm just 177 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.360 saying that humanity is the crown of creation and that 178 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.240 there are two things in this world that are sacred, 179 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.480 God and people. We are mediums of God. And that's 180 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.559 one of the reasons why the Founding Fathers were so 181 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.559 astute when they wrote the Decoration of Independence. We are 182 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.639 endowed by our Creator with certain on amial rights, the 183 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.200 first of which of courses life upon. That's the right 184 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.000 upon which all other rights are predicated. It's the Senequanon. 185 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.120 It's without which there is none. I mean, there's a 186 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.279 point in talking about other rights unless the government is 187 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.799 willing to protect the right to life of every single 188 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.799 human being from the moment of fertilization through natural death. 189 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.639 And I think that we've got an opportunity right now, 190 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:44.720 a small window. I think we've got about nine months 191 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.840 left before there's a potential whiplash election that shifts power 192 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.360 in the House back to the Democrats. We've got nine 193 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:56.360 months to make some serious legislative changes to safeguard humanity 194 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.440 into the future so that these leftist Marxists like like 195 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.559 the Biden administration, Uh, don't don't take this country and 196 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.919 the rule with it into the abyss. 197 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.080 How do rulings like the one in Massachusetts that we're 198 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:14.279 talking about tonight, Reverend Harden, how do they impact the 199 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.879 pro life work on the ground at pregnancy centers like 200 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:22.240 Compass Cares. How do those rulings affect you and your work? 201 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.320 Well, it's it's something that we're always concerned about because 202 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:30.159 it's such precedent that you get row justices and uh 203 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.039 and and and emboldens other people in the political realm 204 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:35.360 and in the public realm to do things that are 205 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.039 unethical uh and incongruent with a rule of law. And 206 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:42.399 we see that happening, uh, empowering and emboldening. 207 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:42.960 Uh. 208 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.559 You know, political bad actors like New York Governor Holcals 209 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:51.159 weaponize legislation against this, like uh New York Attorney General 210 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:54.759 Latisia James to to engage in lawfare against us. Uh 211 00:12:54.799 --> 00:13:01.720 to embolden literally uh, you know, pro abortion extremists to 212 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.840 attack us physically all these things in bolds and embolden's 213 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:07.480 big tech to censor us because they know they're not 214 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.320 going to be investigated. All these things have happened and 215 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:14.080 will continue to happen more intensely if these types of 216 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.200 of rog justices are not dealt with. I think Judgetown 217 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:21.159 Wanne out of Massachusetts needs to be investigated and and 218 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.639 and uh impeached quite frankly. But but are you going 219 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.000 to get an impeachment out of out account. You're not 220 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:27.360 going to get two thirds of a vote out of 221 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.320 the Senate. So this is but we're gonna have to 222 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.720 deal with this, and we're going to need to make 223 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:36.279 sure that President Trump's nominee nominees for for for judges 224 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.559 get approved and that they're not they're not stalled by 225 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.559 these uh, by these Marxists and Democrat clothes. 226 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:44.279 Uh. 227 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:48.279 You talked about physical violence against your your pro life 228 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:53.399 pregnancy centers. I've read some of the things that and 229 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.080 I haven't seen them in mainstream media that those kinds 230 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.320 of attacks are never publicized or held up the American media. 231 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.840 But give me a couple of examples out particularly Compass 232 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:10.159 Care and these non abortion pregnancy centers have been physically 233 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.120 violently attacked. Reverend Harden. 234 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.080 Yeah, Well, starting with the unprecedented illegal leak of a 235 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.840 full draft opinion of a Supreme Court case in May 236 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.879 of twenty twenty two, there was this. It sparked a 237 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:32.000 prairie fire of Maoist Antifa type violence against pro life 238 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.919 people and organizations. And so one of those was a 239 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:40.000 fire bombing. We were firebombs. There was a Marxist communicat 240 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.799 that was initiated, sent out after the initial attack on 241 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.679 a pro life organization in Madison, Wisconsin, and they took 242 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.799 responsibility for the attack on this plot organization in Madison 243 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:55.279 on Mother's Day, May twenty twenty two, and they said 244 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:57.240 we're going to do it again. We've got thirty days 245 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.519 to shut down. They gave us an notltimatum. All your 246 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.519 pregnanc out there, you got thirty days to shut down 247 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.200 or based a similar base, a similar fate. And on 248 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.879 day thirty we were firebomb by pro abortion anti for 249 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:15.080 Front group Jane's revenge, so that the Biden administration's DJ 250 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.759 turned a blind eye, the FBI slow walking the investigation 251 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.080 that went all the way to the houses, and the 252 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.840 traditionary of your committeees. You know, they're demanding why the 253 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.080 House and I means depending why the FBI and DJ 254 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.559 are not uh, you know, providing equal protection of the 255 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:32.919 laws to pro life people when they're attacks. Over five 256 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.600 hundred attacks occurred from that point on physical attacks. We've 257 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.799 had death threats, We've had additional uh you know, we've 258 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:44.039 had theft. We've had you know, not just not just larceny, 259 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:49.399 but trespassing, additional uh you know, attacks on our property. 260 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:51.320 You know, these kinds of things have been going on, 261 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:55.840 uh for for us since twenty twenty one, and you 262 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:59.559 know so so you know, it's it's more, it hasn't stopped. 263 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.320 It's simple more from physical attacks to law there and 264 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:05.799 so we're dealing with that right now, and we're getting 265 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:07.759 some bit of a reprieve because I believe Trump's in 266 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.639 office and he's actually doing some good things with respect 267 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.159 to his executive orders and the Department of Justice cleaning 268 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.519 house with some of these bad actors that populated the 269 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.000 leadership as well as the rank and file. 270 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:24.080 Well, you pointed out that there was not much news 271 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.480 time at all given to that fire bombing in Madison, Wisconsin, 272 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:32.000 or the times you've been firebombed. We're threatened with such action. 273 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:39.200 I feel very blessed that as a member of the media, 274 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.480 which I'm not very proud of saying a lot of times, 275 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.000 I get to have people like you on to talk 276 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.639 about this, address it and get the word out there 277 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.759 and let people know what's going on. I am so 278 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:55.000 grateful that you could come on tonight. I appreciate your time, 279 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.679 and I really appreciate your work with Compass Care. Reverend Harden, 280 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:00.679 How can people find out real quick? 281 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.799 Yeah, if people look to learn more about how Compass 282 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.960 Care is saving women babies from abortion and the abortion 283 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.720 capital of the nation, they can go to Compasscarecommunity dot com. 284 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.200 A's Compasscare community dot com all. 285 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:15.720 Right, thank you so much, Reverend Harden. 286 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:17.400 My pleasure. 287 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.680 God bless God, bless you. Coming up next, as I 288 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:26.440 promised at the top, John Leek on vaccine. As I 289 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.319 mentioned just a few moments ago, our first guest tonight 290 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:34.200 is John Leek, a researcher, a man who is world renowned. 291 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.480 He worked with doctor Peter McCullough as I mentioned in 292 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.880 the open, and he has a new book out called 293 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.279 Vaccines Mythology, Ideology and Reality, primary author of the best 294 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:50.359 selling book The Courage to Face COVID nineteen. And John, 295 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.720 it's a pleasure to have you. Thanks for making time 296 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:53.440 for us tonight. 297 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.039 I'm delighted. Thanks for having me. 298 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.599 You got it. Let's go back to a face the 299 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.680 Courage to Face COVID nineteen for just a moment, if 300 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:05.359 you don't mind, and then we'll get to the new 301 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.839 book and the research you've done on on vaccines through 302 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.799 the ears, going all the way back to Edward Jenner. 303 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:17.920 But I think it's such a wonderful title, The Courage 304 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:23.839 to Face COVID nineteen, because fear was used so much 305 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:29.200 when this virus invaded America and the rest of the 306 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.200 world to coerce people to do things that were illogical 307 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:39.160 in my opinion, and in many cases unscientific, and courage 308 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.400 was something that we all needed. It was something that 309 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:47.079 some of us exercised. I for myself, paid very little 310 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.359 attention to the lockdowns and the travel restrictions. My wife 311 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:55.400 and I and ultimately both of us refused to get 312 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:01.559 any of the unproven, fast rushed so called vaccines that 313 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.680 they were trying to force everyone to put into their bodies. 314 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:11.400 So I think courage is something that we need to 315 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.480 have all the time when it comes to our health, 316 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:15.440 isn't it. 317 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:22.240 Well, I completely agree with that. I when I. 318 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:28.799 Formulated that title, I wasn't only thinking about this disease 319 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:34.559 syndrome COVID nineteen. It's the way it was represented by 320 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:40.559 our federal health authorities, and it was the way their 321 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:47.880 representations were completely enforced and backed up by an amazingly willing, 322 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.079 compliant mass media. So part of it is not only 323 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.519 the courage to face the illness. It's the courage to 324 00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:01.400 face the consequences, the institutional consequences and the reputationtional consequences 325 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:05.319 if you start asking questions about it. Because what we 326 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:09.839 found is it was we believe that there is a 327 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:15.480 causative agent of COVID nineteen STARSKOV two is an upper 328 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:21.599 respiratory coronavirus that was engineered in a laboratory using mostly 329 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:27.480 American biotechnology working Ralph Ferrick at the University of North 330 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:32.799 Carolina Chapel Hill was the primary biotechnician. He was working 331 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:37.039 with chan Ji Lee at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. 332 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:39.000 So they did create this virus. 333 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.799 It did get out of the lab and in some people, 334 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:49.880 primarily people approaching life expectancy and morbidly obese people, it 335 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:55.640 could make people violently ill and result in their hospitalization. 336 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.400 But the reality of it was something that you couldn't 337 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.279 really try and inquire about and figure out and ask 338 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:08.680 questions about, or you would immediately be censored and censured. 339 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:10.519 And so my co. 340 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.240 Author Peter McCullough discovered this the hard way. Fired from 341 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.440 his job at a major medical center in Dallas. Sued 342 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:24.000 from the major medical center, all of his academic society 343 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:28.799 memberships were taken, were stripped, all of his editorial positions 344 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:34.759 at medical journals were stripped. He was treated as a 345 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:38.799 heretic might be treated, you know, during the religious wars 346 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.480 of Europe in the sixteenth and seventeenth century. So courage 347 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.440 to face the illness and to treat the illness and 348 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:49.880 try to help your patients, but also courage to face 349 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:58.599 this mafia structure that has been erected in Washington, whose entire, 350 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:07.839 relentless campaign and mission and purpose is to promote a 351 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.640 new generation of vaccine technology. 352 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:12.720 That's what all of this was about. 353 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.119 There was an interest in launching a new generation of 354 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:23.440 a genetic transfer technology called messenger RNA. It had been 355 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.279 on the shelves for a while, but there had not 356 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.920 been any real impetus and any real money to launch this, 357 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:34.599 you know, a on a global scale. So COVID nineteen 358 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.680 comes along, and now we've got our chance to launch 359 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:42.400 this new virus, this new excuse me, vaccine technology, and 360 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:48.759 anybody who starts talking about early treatments or the illness 361 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.960 can be managed at home, or maybe it's not such 362 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:52.759 a mortal. 363 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:57.079 Threat for everybody. Anybody who raised questions like that, you. 364 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:02.559 Know, was immediately severely punished. So that's the drama of 365 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:09.319 our first book. But this led inevitably into an examination 366 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:13.920 of the COVID nineteen vaccine program, and that was the 367 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:17.680 starting point of our enquiry for our new book, which 368 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:22.640 is a critical history of vaccines, of vaccination going all 369 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.519 the way back to the eighteenth century. 370 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:29.559 There was purposely too, I believe, going back to the 371 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:35.440 AIDS epidemic in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Of course, 372 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:43.319 AIDS and the disease that supposedly causes AIDS is still 373 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.079 out there, and there's all kinds of treatments now and 374 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:50.279 preventative measures that are out there. But in the beginning, 375 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.720 there was a lot of fear mongering, I felt like, 376 00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:03.799 and misinformation about how one contract to autoimmune deficiency syndrome 377 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:08.240 in the media and every I think we kind of 378 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:13.519 saw replay then of that happening when it was essentially 379 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:17.480 the most the people who were most at risk were 380 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:21.720 homosexuals and IV drug abusers and people who were having 381 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.680 unprotected sex. But I remember in the mid eighties it 382 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.400 was like, oh my god, you can you can get 383 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:31.160 AIDS from somebody sweat and you know what I mean, 384 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:33.400 there was just this mashesteria around it. 385 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:34.039 I do. 386 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:38.400 I mean, this really hits home because I was setting 387 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:44.599 off for college in nineteen eighty nine, and you know, 388 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:47.200 you're headed off to college in Boston and you know, 389 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:53.000 of course there's the possibility of you know, maybe having 390 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:53.720 some kind. 391 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:53.759 Of a. 392 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.240 How to put it delicately, some kind of intimate encounter 393 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:04.480 with a college co ed and and but the word was, well. 394 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.000 You know, you're going to have to. 395 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:13.119 Abstain from any kind of sexual contact because AIDS is 396 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:16.640 for sure going to jump from the high risk populations 397 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:24.680 gay men and IV drug users and to heterosexuals. So yeah, 398 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:29.480 I remember this being quite a psychological drama when I 399 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.400 set off for college in eighty nine. Well, this was 400 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:38.680 Anthony Fauci's you know, first rodeo. He was really catapulted 401 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:40.599 into the spotlight by HIV. 402 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.880 And there are a lot. 403 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:49.440 Of controversies about Fauci, you know, going back to the 404 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:54.319 early AIDS crisis in the nineteen eighties, but it was 405 00:25:54.400 --> 00:26:01.000 really his reputation as a sort of pope or Pontiffects 406 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:04.480 Maximus of infectious emerging infectious diseases. 407 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.480 That's really where his career began. 408 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:12.920 And he in his position, you know, for many many 409 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.880 years as head of the NIAI D. I think a 410 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.880 lot of people don't realize that the immense power of 411 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:25.200 Anthony Fauci was he was in a position, you know, 412 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.359 to have final say over where all this grant money goes. 413 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.319 I think a lot of people think of the pharmaceutical 414 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:35.960 industry is primarily financed. 415 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.519 By private capital, but in fact. 416 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.759 There's billions and billions of inn I AI D grant 417 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:46.400 money that's dispersed. And Anthony, you know, got to be 418 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.680 friends with a bunch of guys in the pharmaceutical industry 419 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.920 by virtue of his grant money dispersal power. 420 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.480 So he did kind of establish himself as a kind 421 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:04.519 of godfather of grant money dispersal, and which gave him 422 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:09.160 a tremendous amount of power, as money always does. 423 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.119 Well, you know, and you say godfather. And when you 424 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.880 were talking about the medical mafia earlier in relation to 425 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.519 COVID nineteen and anyone who questioned anything would be put 426 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:24.319 down by that mafia any way they could, mostly professionally, 427 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.720 and sometimes it got to the point of almost criminally 428 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:35.039 people being singled out because they questioned the science. Which 429 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.519 that's what science is. It's about questioning. It's about that 430 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:43.079 there's not science doesn't really have a consensus. If you've 431 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:46.480 got a consensus, it's not science. It's group think or 432 00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:50.079 mob rule. And I just find Fauci to be one 433 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.279 of the most contemptible characters of the twentieth and now 434 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.920 twenty first centuries because of that a lot of other 435 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.240 reasons me personally. 436 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:01.400 Well, it's true, you say, and we'd go into this 437 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:05.160 in detail in the book. I mean, if you study 438 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.799 the history of science, I mean you just kind of 439 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:13.960 start with Sir Isaac Newton. It is a process of questioning, 440 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.119 of inquiry, of debate. 441 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:17.079 Now. 442 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:22.319 I mentioned Newton specifically because he came up with these 443 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.279 mathematical models of the motion of bodies and gravity and 444 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:31.359 some of these Newtonian mechanics we call it bodies and 445 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:35.799 motion and accelerating and falling from gravity and so forth. 446 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:43.359 And his mathematical model is very impressive. But what you 447 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:48.640 see happening is people start trying to apply the model 448 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:53.880 of Newtonian mechanics to things that are way way more 449 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.480 multifactorial and complex. And so you get into what we. 450 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:04.200 Call medical sciences. And this implies that there are sort. 451 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:13.799 Of John, John, feel like I've lost him, John, are 452 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.880 you still there? I can't hear him. Okay, he dropped 453 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.599 off the phone. We will take just a quick break 454 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.680 and try to get John Leak back because I want 455 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.720 to get more into his book. In just a moment 456 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:29.240 here in the Nightcap, John, we lost the line, but 457 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:30.160 we got you back. 458 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:30.359 Now. 459 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:36.519 You were talking about Newton and his mathematical equations, mechanics, 460 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:41.160 and how being applied to medical science was probably not 461 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.279 the best path. 462 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.319 Well, it's a misapplication because just to put this in 463 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.359 a nutshell, it's if you and I were standing on a. 464 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.839 Twenty story balcony. We can start. 465 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:59.640 Having a debate about illnesses, you know, the best way 466 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.079 to try treat them, And you might say, well, you know, 467 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.720 in my experience with this bug or with whatever it is, 468 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.240 some sort of health matter, we could have reasonable debate 469 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.799 about it in which we take two different sides. I mean, 470 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.359 you hear people they have debates about whether statins a 471 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.000 cholesterol lowering medication. You know, whether the benefits outweigh. 472 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.160 The risk, and you'll get a reasonable debate. 473 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:32.160 But neither of us would it ever occur to either 474 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.200 of us that there's any debate about what happens if 475 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.960 we jump off the balcony onto the concrete below. 476 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:40.400 We were certain. 477 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.640 That Newtonian's mechanics, the description of how we're going to 478 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.400 accelerate and hit the pavement. We do not have any 479 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:54.880 doubt that's the outcome. But with medicine it's very multi factorial. 480 00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.440 There are many elements. You have the infections, speaking of 481 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.720 infectious disease, you. 482 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.359 Have the causative agent a virus or a bacterium or 483 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.400 a fungus. 484 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.880 But then you have the nutritional status, the age, the 485 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.599 overall health of the person who is exposed to the 486 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:24.160 infectious agent. What French microbiologists used to call the terrain, 487 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.519 the terrain the ecology, and so you know, we can 488 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.880 get into a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty about this. 489 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.799 But when vaccines is an idea as a concept come about. 490 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.599 In the eighteenth century. 491 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:46.640 Living conditions the terrain was very very poor. Drinking water 492 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:52.400 was as often as not contaminated with rast sewage. The 493 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.640 nutritional status of most people, particularly the urban poor in 494 00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:59.640 these early cities, they. 495 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.359 Were very poor. 496 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:06.000 They were undernourished most of the time, cold winners, inadequate heating. 497 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.000 You get into the nineteenth century in big cities like London, 498 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.720 they're drinking cold smoke all the time. They're overworked, and 499 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:22.240 so their bodies become susceptible to infectious diseases and what 500 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.880 we document, you know, in our book, is what we 501 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.680 see happening at the exact same time, I mean, plotted 502 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:36.759 identically on the timeline that microbiologists are developing vaccines. At 503 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:41.480 the exact same time, enormous strides are being made to 504 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:47.680 elevate the living standards of cities. And so by the 505 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.079 time you get to nineteen forty eight, which is really 506 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.079 the introduction of the modern vaccine schedule. 507 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.119 For children, you've already seen. 508 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:04.640 Most infectious diseases plummeting in terms of mortality rates by 509 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.880 over ninety five percent. Now, that was an improvement of nutrition, sanitation, 510 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:15.279 general living standards. But guess what gets all the credit 511 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:23.880 nowadays vaccines. So it's a mis attribution of you know 512 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.759 what really deserves the credit in this and we talk 513 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.759 about this in the book. I mean, I think readers 514 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.759 will be astonished to discover that the city of London 515 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.200 did not have proper sewage channelization to get the affluent 516 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:44.720 away from the city. The London Sewer wasn't completed until 517 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:52.880 eighteen seventy five, so I mean literally contaminated times water 518 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:59.640 was contaminating the groundwater in London with cholera and typhoid 519 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:03.720 fee or all the way up until you know the 520 00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:04.680 eighteen eighties. 521 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.679 Well, I always say, John, I always say, as a 522 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.480 human being, regardless of your age, your miles may vary. 523 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.440 I mean, if you're a heavy smoker or you're morbidly obese, 524 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.239 even in today's society, with all the advances, you become 525 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:26.320 more susceptible to these diseases, with or without the vaccines. 526 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.079 Isn't that a correct assumption? 527 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:28.679 Well? 528 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.280 Absolutely, absolutely correct. 529 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.360 And you know, so interesting during COVID nineteen because the 530 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:41.199 people who are at highest risk of this excessive inflammatory 531 00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:48.920 response to the virus were people who were obese. People 532 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.000 who have more of the obesity. Either they have a 533 00:34:53.079 --> 00:35:01.639 much higher tendency to systemic inflammatory is use, and so 534 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.760 they would get sick, and this illness would quickly get 535 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:10.199 down into their lungs and just go nuclear in their lungs, 536 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.239 so violent pulmonary inflammation causing pneumonia, and I mean they 537 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.320 basically just just asphyxiate. There's never any talk, I mean 538 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.920 never even a reference to you know what about trying 539 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.679 to get your blood sugar down. I mean, elevated blood 540 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:34.119 sugar is probably the simplest correlation. So there's a physician 541 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:40.320 here in Dallas named Yvette Lozano, and the first thing 542 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.400 she would do is say, Okay, we're going to get 543 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:47.639 you on hydroxychloricuin, which is also an anti inflammatory. It's 544 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.639 used for rheumatoid arthritis. It's an anti inflammatory, it seems 545 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.760 to have anti viral properties. But we're also going to instantly, 546 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.920 like right now, starting right now, you're not going to 547 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.440 eat any sugar, like none. You're you're you're on a 548 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:10.800 raw vegetable you know, chicken diet, and you're going to 549 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.679 get on a on an exercise bike. 550 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.280 I mean, this was her regimen for her, for her 551 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:17.840 you know. 552 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.079 Obese COVID patience, and she really didn't lose any all. 553 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:26.199 Right, I'm sorry, we're times of John Leek is the 554 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:31.199 author uh In, working with doctor Peter McCullough, Vaccines, mythology, 555 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.880 ideology and reality. It's out. If any of this sounds 556 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.440 interesting to you, I highly recommend the book. I'm just 557 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.719 starting to skim through it myself. But John, thank you so. 558 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:47.079 Much, thank you for having me. I really appreciated the conversation. 559 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:48.480 Great question, Thanks you. 560 00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:53.559 Thanks. We'll continue in a moment, leave again this hour 561 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.880 on a special Nightcap on seven hundred w l W. 562 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.840 We are returning my friend Michael Letz to the airwaves 563 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.920 with me tonight. He is the president of invest USA. 564 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.239 They help law enforcement be better ready to face the 565 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.000 challenges that they do face in twenty twenty five with 566 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:19.039 the best kind of equipment and vests and things that 567 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:23.519 will protect them as they protect us. Michael lets it's 568 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.320 great to have you on the show. Welcome back. 569 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.559 Well Gary, it's always approved to be with you. We 570 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.280 take you for the opportunity and well, there's a lot 571 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.039 to talk about, a lot of great things happening in 572 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.119 the country, but he's still had a long ways to go. 573 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:40.679 Yeah, I mean crime is down in some places since 574 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:47.480 President Trump took office and stemmed the tide of just 575 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.800 open border mania that was going on for four years 576 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.800 under Joe Biden. That is a big thing. And having 577 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:02.519 ice able to round up the most violent of the 578 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.039 criminal illegal aliens that have come into this country in 579 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.960 a flood of some say, more than twenty million under 580 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.559 those four years. It's down to a trickle if any 581 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.199 right now under Donald Trump. God bless Donald Trump for that, 582 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.159 and that's going to be a big step for public 583 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:26.000 safety and law enforcement. As we get more and more 584 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:31.199 of these people out of our country or incarcerated where 585 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.239 they belong. They need to belong in a prison cell somewhere, 586 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.719 whether it's you know, in a max security prison in 587 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:44.880 this country or Alligator alcatraz or in their own country 588 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:51.679 in l Salvador and other places. So, Michael, first, and 589 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.719 what do you think the effect of closing the border 590 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:59.320 has done to help protect police and protect the public. 591 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.519 Since only the six seven months since Donald Trump has 592 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:05.480 been president, what's been the effect. 593 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.760 It's had a huge impact. Gary, Let's talk about it 594 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.000 for just a second. Of course, you know, we went 595 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.320 in made sure we did a number of different things 596 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.800 to secure the border, everything from classifying the border and 597 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:22.159 the settlement border with Mexico to be a military zone. 598 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.519 You remember, we took from California although the Texas and 599 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.280 made that initial under two hundred and fifty feet a 600 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.159 border between that and the river military installation, so we 601 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:36.840 could enforce military break military personnel, and they could enforce 602 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.960 if you set foot on that, you weren't just crossing 603 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.000 the United States. You were a trespassing on a military installation. 604 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.239 And I put you in a whole different category. You 605 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.559 are under military jurisdiction there, and so that brought down 606 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.000 it almost to zero. Fact, it has been zero for 607 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.920 the last couple of months, So that made a huge difference. 608 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.360 Besides that and uh in what we're doing with ICE, 609 00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.400 but ICE was a separate situation. Here's why I mentioned 610 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.039 it to you. We secured the border security with military assistants. 611 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.039 Then we had to go to the next space. Now, 612 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.039 what do we do with all the illegals here, especially 613 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.480 the illegals that have come in and began to commit 614 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.639 violent crimes, because you remember, many of them that came 615 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.280 had violent criminal paths from where they came from, and 616 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.400 they were doing the same thing in this country. So 617 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:21.119 we put together task force with ICE and others, including 618 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.719 using some military personnel as well, because we were so 619 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.639 overwhelmed the number of people that were here, and we 620 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.280 targeted went after where was our biggest success Obviously in 621 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.039 the Red States because we've got great cooperation and the 622 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.480 Blue States. We targeted it and had made that a 623 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:38.760 top target as well. 624 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:39.320 In Blue States. 625 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.199 But unfortunately, we've been having to work against those whose 626 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.039 policies are trying to hurt their citizens and trying to 627 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.679 undermine the authority of trying to remove these criminals. How 628 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.800 do they do that? Give them a kiff that were 629 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.320 headed that way so we would get there, there's no 630 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.320 illegal criminals, or there's nothing good protesters or you've seen 631 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.599 this happen any kind of quescially in California. Others we'll 632 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.280 get there or rest of the assailants. And when we 633 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.679 come back out, what are we facing? A sea of 634 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:11.079 protesters that are hurling rocks, trying to hur harm our 635 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.599 law enforcement officers, trying to destroy their vehicles, pop their tire, 636 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.559 tow them away, et cetera. So it's been a real struggle, 637 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.519 not just having to clean up the illegal immigrants who 638 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:26.119 are criminals, violent criminals, but going after the protester who 639 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.360 are attempting to obstruct justice. And you've seen that reflected 640 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.880 in the numbers. As you mentioned when we first started 641 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.000 this interview, violent crime is down substantial. It's got a 642 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.920 lot more in the red stage where they're cooperating with 643 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.880 our efforts to make the America safe and secure, instead 644 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.199 of the blue sanctuary cities that are impeding and trying 645 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.480 to do any they can to keep I legal immigrants there, 646 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.000 to keep violent people to harm their citizens makes no sense. 647 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.280 I can't imagine the logic behind doing that. 648 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:53.920 Of the look. 649 00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.320 You could have gone, you could have forecasted that with 650 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.840 what went on in many of those same quote blue 651 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.000 cities during the Summer of Hate in twenty twenty and 652 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:10.000 the George Floyd ryots, the Antifa, the BLM riots, all 653 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.800 that were not mostly peaceful protests, and they were allowed 654 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.599 to flourish. I mean, the mayor of Seattle let an 655 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.760 entire section of that city be taken over by these 656 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:26.199 crazy people. And you saw it from remember in Dallas 657 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:31.519 when the five transit officers were shot and killed by 658 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.320 these same Antifa nut jobs. And we're seeing a lot 659 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:41.159 less of that now. But in Los Angeles and in 660 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.239 other areas that we don't have cooperation of the mayor 661 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.239 and the police force, and in some cases the governors 662 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:54.760 of those states, with ice and border patrol not being 663 00:42:54.800 --> 00:43:00.639 able to have access to facilities and the authorities not operating, 664 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.719 you see these violent outbursts by the protesters, and many 665 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.599 of those protesters are the same illegal criminals that they're 666 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.519 trying to round up because the last thing they want 667 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.599 to do is go back, you know, after they invaded 668 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.239 our country. Let's talk about the pro Palestinian. I call 669 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:28.199 them pro terrorist protests because that's that's exactly what they are, 670 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:29.960 the pro homas. 671 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.119 Yeah, I was coming to get involved, you know. Initially 672 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.440 when I first started, you had, of course the incursion 673 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.840 by Hamas in the Israel October the seventh, and the 674 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.159 war breakdown, and in instead of concentrary on look at 675 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:50.519 how they terrorized and all the thousands of penisents that 676 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.760 they killed, and they're encouraged. It was all now that 677 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:56.440 there's a war, these poor kids that aren't being said, 678 00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.239 and we need all show compassion. So they they do 679 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.079 the kumbai Ya rallies where they were peaceful but just 680 00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:06.960 saying we need to try to feed these kids. Then 681 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.000 they graduated from there to saying and how the second 682 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.119 I wanted to be peaceful, you can't walk past us. 683 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.159 We're gonna city. We're not gonna let you go to 684 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.440 class today, We're not gonna let you go to work. 685 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.239 We're gonna block the roots. Now it's guided to the 686 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.559 point to where there are assaulting police officers. They become 687 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.199 violent and there's no longer protests. It's rioting, it's terrorism, 688 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.559 its domestic terrorists. We've allowed that to happen how did 689 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.079 we allow that to happen? A couple of things we 690 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.320 just talked about it Thenue ago. We've allowed blue cities 691 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.159 and their policies to project the image of divide in 692 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.800 this country. To come over here and hang out with 693 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.960 us left liberals. We're gonna protect you, so you know 694 00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:50.719 you can continue to do your little crime thing and 695 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.679 we're gonna protect you and make make him feel safe, 696 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.599 which is encourage others to do so. And that is 697 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.119 why you're beginning to see the surge across the country. 698 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.920 Whether it's an actors they're Montana killing for in a bar, 699 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.719 whether it's people in Cincinnati assaulting people walking down the 700 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.519 street just taking a stroll. And here's what we park 701 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.280 on that one for a second, Geary. It's appalling and 702 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:17.199 shocking to me that we would allow young people to 703 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.440 assault innocent people walking and just taking a stroll, and 704 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:26.119 then their thugs stand around encourage them to continue to 705 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.440 do more violence, try to see who could be the 706 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.840 fastest to get it on an iPhone and uploaded to 707 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.800 YouTube or TikTok for their fifteen seconds of thaying and 708 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.639 not hold people accountable. This is what we're beginning to 709 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.119 see there's beginning to become a message you don't have 710 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.519 to worry about being accountable if you're in a sanctuary 711 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.360 city or if you're happen to be aligned with the liberal, 712 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.079 progressive democratic ideology, we're going to protect you. You don't 713 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.599 have to have accountability on the red side where you 714 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.280 were law and order. You don't want to be there 715 00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.039 and can make crimes because they're gonna put you on 716 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.480 an ice playing and shift it back to your country. 717 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:03.960 So they're trying to create a divide to destroy us 718 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.199 from within, and we're allowing it to happen. 719 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:07.400 And it's time. 720 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.079 And here's a great thing. I'm very pleased to announce 721 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.440 that the Supreme Court has just in the last few 722 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.119 hours giving two major victories to the administration. They have 723 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:23.920 determined there will be no more of these injunctions, district 724 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.360 conjunctions across the country that just came officially to it 725 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.599 end today. So one judge cannot put the whole country 726 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.800 and say nobody can be shipped back to Endures or 727 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.679 you can't do this, do that I just ended. We're 728 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.599 going to move forward now aggressively to make sure that 729 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.039 we go after every single criminal we can get our 730 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.480 hands on them. And so then the second thing the 731 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.760 Supreme Court just did is gave back parents their rights 732 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.719 in schools. What do we mean by that? You don't 733 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.679 want your kids learning about transgenderism being subjective to that 734 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.199 junk in school that opting out. He's your kid, not 735 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.239 the schools. You have the right to opt out. So 736 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.920 these are two huge, major victories, and you're going to 737 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.599 start saying. One of the things that falls under E 738 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.039 ten most people are not aware of is we have 739 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.599 been held by the court system on cutting the funds 740 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.920 to sanctuary cities that just got released tod So, sanctuary cities, 741 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.480 do you think it's bad? Now you have to see 742 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.920 anything yet we're going after your funding and quite frankly, 743 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:23.920 you have got some hard days ahead. 744 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.239 Well, I say, praise God, great God bless America, God 745 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:33.599 bless the Supreme Court, God bless President Trump, and mostly 746 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.760 and most importantly, God blessed the citizens of the United 747 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.440 States of America, because they're finally getting their country back. 748 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.000 It's as simple. It's as simple as that. Michael. Lets, 749 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.400 as our guests from invest USA, we continue our conversation 750 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.159 in just moments after this quick break on a special 751 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:58.039 nightcap on seven hundred WLW. He not only has the 752 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.960 man behind invest Yousa, but he's also the host of 753 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.320 the Michael Letts Show, which is now nationally syndicated in 754 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.280 stations across the country. And oddly enough, his name is 755 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.599 Michael Letts. And we're back for part two of our conversation, Michael, 756 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.960 what has been the most disgusting thing in the wake 757 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:23.239 of the brutal attacks in Cincinnati during the annual Cincinnati 758 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:26.039 Music Fest, which, by the way, is one of the 759 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:31.199 biggest events in this city. Every single year, it draws 760 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.960 tens of thousands of people to downtown Cincinnati to pay 761 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:40.000 Court Stadium to watch these incredible heritage music acts, and 762 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:42.519 they come from all parts of the country to enjoy it. 763 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.960 On the Friday night into Saturday morning after one of 764 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.360 those big nights at the Cincinnati Music Fest, and you know, 765 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.400 you've seen the viral videos that were you know, uploaded 766 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.039 on the internet by cowards who, instead of trying to 767 00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.320 step in to help these poor people from being pummeled 768 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.360 by a mob, were just filming it, videoing it so 769 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:13.599 they could put it up online. The narrative from one 770 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:18.639 particular a couple of particular Cincinnati council people. Now finally, mercifully, 771 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.719 they've been castigated for their comments that the people who 772 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.320 were brutally attacked, I mean to the point of being 773 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:30.199 beaten to a pulp and having permanent damage done to 774 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.800 their bodies, saying that they deserve the beatdown that they 775 00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:39.239 got simply because something they said that that was particularly 776 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.760 disgusting to me and to most other people with a 777 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:47.360 brain in their heads who have any kind of compassion 778 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.960 for their fellow human beings. And these are elected officials 779 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:55.079 doing this. And then we have a police chief who, 780 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.559 in her wisdom, and because of a lack of officers 781 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.199 in Cincinnati right now, from what we need to have 782 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.079 to patrol a city this size and to keep the 783 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:10.400 public safe, they have three officers at three o'clock in 784 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.519 the morning, all the officers that went down to you know, 785 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.079 look after this throng of people in the heart of 786 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.159 downtown Cincinnati. There are three police officers for the entire 787 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.360 city after three o'clock in the morning. No wonder there 788 00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:28.119 was this was able to go on without any kind 789 00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.519 of police presence. Michael, It's just insane. 790 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:32.920 It is insane. 791 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:33.239 Gary. 792 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.599 And here's the other insane part about it, It is 793 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.840 how cavalier, especially these SANCTUARYUS cities have been treating crime 794 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.280 and accountability, and so the number of things that we 795 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:46.159 need to do, and I'm not asking for any more laws, Trusty, Gary, 796 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.400 we have more than of laws on the book. It's 797 00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.360 time that we start helping people accountable and we start 798 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.280 enforcing them. So what needs to be done in this 799 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:57.719 particular situation. First of all, no more of this bluffing 800 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.400 things off. Oh it was just a small crime. You know, 801 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.800 Ruby Gigiani had a great room, he king of New 802 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.920 York City. They called broken doll windows. You see a 803 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.639 broken window. It was replaced. Why because they created the 804 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.880 perception that nobody cared. We're not going to let that 805 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.480 perception happen anymore America. You do a petty crime, you're 806 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.880 going to be held accountable. We need to start enforcing 807 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.960 the law vigorously and making sure that we have solicitors 808 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.880 and prosecutors that are willing to push the max to 809 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.360 what needs to be done. No more of this plea 810 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.880 bargaining and we'll cut a deal just so that we 811 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.159 don't have to have any more work. The second thing 812 00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.639 we need to do is when young people film this stuff, 813 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.119 we need to make sure that it's all the books. 814 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.320 It's called it an accomplished, I mean an accomplish or 815 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.360 we need to make sure that we go after them. 816 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.480 You know, the person that was throwing the fists and 817 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.960 swings email us for serve five years into But the 818 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:54.079 person filming. 819 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.960 And saying hit them again, hit them again, they're an accomplished. 820 00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.280 They should be during at least six months, and we 821 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.880 need to start sending a clear message you will be 822 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.719 held accountable for your ashes. Then the third thing we 823 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.400 need to do TikTok rumble the rest of you all. 824 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.079 You don't have a right to glorify violence against innocent people. 825 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.280 You want to allow that to be put on your hosting, 826 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:22.599 on your network, then you'll be charged as well because 827 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.320 you're an accomplice as well. You're promoting violence. 828 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:25.679 Into this country. 829 00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.159 And I think what if we start doing that, you'll 830 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.039 start seeing when people say, oh, you're in printing on 831 00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:35.000 freedom of expression, on a freedom much speech, No I'm not. 832 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.840 You can feel free to say anything you want to, 833 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.039 but what you can do is put a film up 834 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:45.039 to where people are being beaten and abused, and I 835 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.599 expect to have consequences Michael, go ahead. 836 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:49.840 Go ahead. 837 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.719 That is being an accomplished. We have laws already on 838 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.119 the books for that, and we need to start apportioning 839 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.480 them because here's what's happening here. We're sending a message 840 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.400 to our young people. They're twofold. Do we talk about 841 00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:05.599 a minute ago? Hey, don't worry about if you're an 842 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.599 illegal because if you go to sanctuary City and you're 843 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.480 going to be protected. So we're sending a message that 844 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:14.719 crime does pay. There are no accountability. And now we're 845 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.119 sending a message to our young people. Do whatever you 846 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.719 want to because you can gain pay, no accountability, no 847 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.639 consequences of your actions, and we can live in all 848 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:24.400 of society. 849 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.280 Michael, stop that, Michael. 850 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.760 Lets you've written a new book, Truth Lies in Control, 851 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:33.079 Finding hope in an upside down world. It's it's out now, 852 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.480 I guess is that right? 853 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:35.159 It is? 854 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.400 There is and people can find it the usual places. 855 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.599 They can go Amazon, anywhere, they can go to our 856 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:45.000 website and they'll find they make a donation to help 857 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.719 an all, give them a precopy of the book. 858 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.760 Yeah, speaking of that protector off in invest USA. Give 859 00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:54.519 the website and just like in thirty seconds, a snapshot 860 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.599 of what you guys do at invest USA. 861 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:02.639 I'm in the e st USA dot Organ, arrydo Org. 862 00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.639 Make sure our officers have active shoot of this. They 863 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.320 need them now more than ever to make sure they 864 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.320 can protect themselves come home safely to the family. They're 865 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.599 willing to die for you cannot. The least we do 866 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:14.360 is to make sure that they're protected to come home 867 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:14.960 to their kids. 868 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.400 INVESTUSA dot Org. Michael Letz, great luck with the new 869 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.840 show you're doing and with the book, and thanks again 870 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.119 for taking some time to talk to us tonight. 871 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.039 God bless God, bless America. Gary, you keep up the 872 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:31.280 good work together. 873 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.880 We're going to succeed. Amen and Michael Letts there on 874 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:39.199 the nightcap coming up next an hour nearly an hour 875 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.960 of sports for the out of sorts, I think, and 876 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:46.480 the fur Ball will lead us off in just a 877 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:51.639 few minutes afternoons here on seven hundred WLW. Yes, once 878 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:55.519 again time to spend a few minutes with the fur 879 00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:59.599 Ball on this special Wednesday nightcap here on seven hundred 880 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:03.920 w LW. And Red's course playing today in Chicago and 881 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:08.280 the season continues. I know that not too long ago. 882 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:10.559 Are you in your car again? Andy? 883 00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:13.920 I live in my car. Well, I need it is 884 00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:19.119 a shower maybe just uh maybe just man, I don't 885 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:19.960 need a shower tonight. 886 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.199 I mean I need a shower in my car. 887 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:22.119 That's what I meant. 888 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.400 You know, I'll stay in my car for six days. 889 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.719 On the seventh day when God said we don't work, 890 00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:28.440 we take a break, I go take a shower. 891 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.840 Well, maybe carry a little squirt bottle around with you 892 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:32.800 or something like that. 893 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.079 How about you to do that that I do that 894 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.079 I definitely do. But sometimes you got to get the 895 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.320 mold off, you know what I mean, the mold. 896 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:42.719 Well, you just cut it off like a loaf of 897 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:44.239 bread and eat the rest. 898 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:47.559 Well, you know what, I don't go out much. 899 00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:48.920 I don't see a lot of people, so they don't 900 00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:49.719 know if I steak or not. 901 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:50.760 I'm the heck with it. 902 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:52.719 You know, I'm not in public, so I stay at 903 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:52.920 my car. 904 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:53.679 I enjoy my car. 905 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:54.159 You know what. 906 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.599 That's That's an excellent point, Andy, because the last few 907 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:02.840 times when I've asked people about our conversations, how did 908 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.239 you like fur ball on the Nightcap? And they said 909 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.840 he didn't stink? So it must be working for you. 910 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.960 Whatever whatever you're doing is working, right, So I know 911 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.079 that you recently had a conversation with Alan Cutler, which 912 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.920 of seven hundred WLW fans may be familiar with. Remember 913 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.000 the cut Man, also known as the Hedgehog. For some reason, 914 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.039 I never really figured out how how is Alan? I 915 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.719 haven't speak I haven't spoken to him or seen him 916 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.239 in quite a while. Is he doing okay? 917 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:32.800 Well? 918 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.159 He has a daily show on thirteen hundred AM and 919 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.440 ninety two to five FM and Lexington from nuone to 920 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.480 two and honestly, he had a bit of a difficulty 921 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:44.119 help wise said he woke up Memorial Day weekend and 922 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:45.320 he couldn't see. 923 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.639 Out of one of his eyes and he was going blind. 924 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.280 And he immediately went to the hospital and they said 925 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.119 to what I thought he was upbraded on that day 926 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.480 and they said it was a gas build up, like 927 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:55.880 from pressure, whatever it may be. 928 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.559 And I said, well, how do you get a gas 929 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:00.760 build up in your eye? 930 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.440 Why isn't that And he said that doctor said that 931 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:07.800 basically it comes with age, but he thinks it came 932 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:08.079 with that. 933 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:09.519 This is amazing. 934 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.800 He does what pilates and what's the other thing you 935 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:14.760 do there with you stretch and all that stuff. 936 00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.039 He does. He's He's telling me that. 937 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:19.280 He's been doing it since he's thirty five years of age. 938 00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:20.960 He thinks that built up the pressure in his eye 939 00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:21.880 where he could. 940 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.880 Put his legs over his head. 941 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:25.639 I said, first of all, what the hell are you 942 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.079 gonna do with that? 943 00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:27.159 You're gonna join the circus? 944 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.639 I mean, really, you know you should be tickled pike 945 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:31.400 at you're raised and you could walk and put your 946 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:32.760 left foot in front of your right foot. 947 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.760 You don't care about putting your feet over your. 948 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.719 Head, all right, So that's what he's excited. 949 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:41.639 About, don't I don't even want to think about I 950 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.880 don't want to think about Alan that. I don't want 951 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:48.159 to think about Alan Cutler just walking upright, much less 952 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.679 with his legs over his head. That's crazy. 953 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.199 Well, I don't get it. He wants to do the exercises. 954 00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:56.280 He's wearing those tights. I guess I don't know. I 955 00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:58.039 can't picture it. I don't want to picture it. I 956 00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.480 want to get something to eat in a few minutes. 957 00:57:59.519 --> 00:57:59.760 I'm on it. 958 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.760 Throwout if I think about that now, I'm gonna move on. 959 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:04.800 But look, I wish it. 960 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.039 Well, he says about seventy percent of his site back 961 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.559 and thank God for that, because you don't want anybody 962 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.360 that you know to lose this. So I don't have 963 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:13.960 any ill health. Really, you really don't wish that or 964 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.960 anybody don't do. We move on and I got to 965 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.000 run this value because this was a story that really 966 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.719 kind of hit me. Sometimes these stories hite you. I 967 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:23.599 turn the radio on. 968 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:25.000 I'm a big radio freak. 969 00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:25.280 I am. 970 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.360 I listen to sports talk about Fox Sports Radio Serious 971 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.360 XEM eighty three, and I listed my cohorts on Fox, 972 00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:33.519 and more often than not, they'll come on there. 973 00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.559 They'll talk about what might happen. 974 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.000 The predictions, what the team's gonna No, no, it's not 975 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:41.519 that that's lazy. It really predictions when how many games 976 00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:42.280 the team's gonna win. 977 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:44.559 No, you don't know. You don't know. No one knows, 978 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.840 and I don't. I don't want to hear what you 979 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.960 don't know. But I do know this. I know. There 980 00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.119 was a story the other day that Tom Brady had 981 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:53.079 a comment. 982 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.079 Why the hell he did on Scotty Sheffler, the golfler, 983 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.039 saying that Scotti Sheffler's. 984 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.840 Bringing his job over his family. 985 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.039 Number one is none of Tom Brady's business. Number two, 986 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:06.760 Why in the hell of all people, Tom Brady, who 987 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.920 lost his wife because he played football set xt year 988 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.440 in Tampa, right, So why is he complaining about Scotty Seffler, 989 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.480 Who's I don't know him from Adam, but I gotta 990 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:18.840 believe from a distance he seems to be balancing his 991 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:20.519 golf life and his family life. 992 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:21.880 Pretty good, Pretty good. 993 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.280 Tom Brady lost his wife, as you just mentioned, I mean, 994 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.880 that's the height of hypocrisy. Did you hear that, Tom Brady? 995 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.880 Among uh? I guess two different people Tom Brady has 996 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.639 been dating. One of them is that actress Sidney Sweeney, 997 00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:39.239 who is in that new Blue gene Ad. The actress's 998 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:43.360 she's amazing and she's a registered Republican, which makes her 999 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:47.360 even more appealing. Or as somebody else said, I would, 1000 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.119 I would, I would date her if if if she 1001 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:54.440 was an ISIS recruiter. But I mean Sidney Sween, Sidney 1002 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.519 Sweeney is hilarious. 1003 00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.039 Wait wait a minute, timeouts, beautiful. I'm out of the 1004 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.199 dating scene about one hundred years already. 1005 01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.480 Okay, But here's is that what the youngsters are the 1006 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.639 mid youngster, whatever it may be, This what the gen 1007 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.119 x are they asking on dates? 1008 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:11.320 Now? 1009 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.559 Are you the Republican democrat. Is that a question they 1010 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:15.239 ask on dates? 1011 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:15.360 Now? 1012 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.280 No, Andy, there was a controversy among some people, a 1013 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.039 bunch of leftist idiots because she did this blue gene 1014 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:27.440 commercial where she said, you know, I'm blonde, my color 1015 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:30.280 is blue, and they said it was like a Nazi 1016 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:34.159 or something, and it was just all a bunch of 1017 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:38.480 male bovine fecal sample if you get my drift major bs. 1018 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.760 The controversy erupting out of nothing because apparently these ugly 1019 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.280 liberal women have nothing else to do but complain about 1020 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.599 beautiful blondes like Sidney Sweeney. And then then it came 1021 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.000 to the fore that she's a registered Republican. I guess 1022 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.519 she switched. She'd rather switch than fight Andy. 1023 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.480 Right, Apparently she has been. But you know, it's funny 1024 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:03.639 because then we go back. 1025 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:04.440 To this Tom Brady thing. 1026 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:09.159 I mean again, I just, you know, I don't know 1027 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.199 or care about what these guys do or say off 1028 01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:13.639 the field. 1029 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:14.440 I really don't. 1030 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.000 But when they do say something stupid, I like to 1031 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:19.800 jump on it because I think it's great fodder for 1032 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:20.599 people like. 1033 01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:22.199 You and me, like Aaron Rodgers. 1034 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:23.920 I think Aaron Rodgers is a hell of a quarter 1035 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.719 by release, he was we'll see what he does, to 1036 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:28.400 see what the Steelers. But he's going to be a first. 1037 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:29.119 Ballot Hall of Famer. 1038 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.199 But when he's got that pulpit, and many of these 1039 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:33.440 athletes have this big pulpit, a big stage to steel like, 1040 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:35.440 don't use it and don't make a smug out of 1041 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:36.320 yourself on the pulpit. 1042 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.000 You know, there's a lot of people out there. 1043 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.639 That really depended upon vaccine and they believe in vaccine. 1044 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.800 Some people do, some people don't. Don't go on there 1045 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.800 and tell people don't take it. I mean, people are 1046 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:48.480 going to do what they want to do. They're not 1047 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.239 going to listen to what Aaron Rodgers has to do. 1048 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.880 And the other Again, when I say that, well yeah, 1049 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:54.239 go ahead. 1050 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:56.960 Likewise, don't go on there and tell people you've got 1051 01:01:57.079 --> 01:01:59.440 to take this. And many of them did that too, 1052 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:01.119 so it's just. 1053 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.280 As they're to do that. 1054 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:04.559 A lot of them were paid to do that. 1055 01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:04.920 You know. 1056 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.239 I love Jared Allen's speech at the at the Hall 1057 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.199 of Fame ceremony, how he talked about his faith and 1058 01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:18.000 his family and his wife and it was just you know, 1059 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:22.320 very gracious and and he said he just didn't want 1060 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.800 to embarrass himself. He said, keep it under fifteen minutes 1061 01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.360 and talk about the things that are most important to 1062 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.880 you and always have been in his life. Jared Allen 1063 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.480 is a class act and now he is enshrine that 1064 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.800 with that yellow jacket with the Hall of Fame. 1065 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.880 That was a good call on your part because a 1066 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:41.519 lot of the people I always said, we'll use that 1067 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:44.440 stage or pulpit to say something really stupid. 1068 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:45.239 Well maybe it's just. 1069 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.400 Intentionally, but they want to get the so called clicks, 1070 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.920 you know on the social media, which I don't know why, 1071 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:50.679 but they do. 1072 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.679 That's exactly what they do. I don't know. 1073 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:55.760 I mean, we're in a different world right now where 1074 01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:57.920 people say and do what they want to do. It's 1075 01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.280 maybe it's not too bad, but sometimes you say and 1076 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.320 do things that are just playing dumb. 1077 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:04.440 Really, I'll give you another example. 1078 01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:06.639 You know, I'm not a big fan of the WNBA, 1079 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:08.840 but I have to admit that Caitlyn Clark suck me 1080 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:10.960 into the league and I watch it because I want 1081 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.599 to see what's all the excitement about. And honestly, you know, 1082 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.119 it's not a bad product, to be honest. I mean, 1083 01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:18.719 they play the game in a team fashion, not like 1084 01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.119 the NBA that throws up eighty five threes during the 1085 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:22.519 game and there's no dfense. 1086 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.199 So I kind of liked the hustle on the way 1087 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:24.599 they play. 1088 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.679 So Sophie Cunningham is a member of the Indiana Fever 1089 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.159 and the other day she's on a podcast which I 1090 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:33.559 listened to, and she basically kind of stood up for 1091 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.800 Caitlin Clark, and I said, well, it's kind of nice 1092 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.199 of her because they're teammates, but where are the other 1093 01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:43.039 teammates really? And honestly, you know, I talked about this 1094 01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:45.960 Sunday with my partner Bucky Brooks on Fox Sports Radio. 1095 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:47.320 And Buckie took a different tack. 1096 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.199 He said, you know, people are saying that Caitlin's beat up, 1097 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.679 and he says, that's the way it is. He said, 1098 01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:54.239 I was the first year player in the NFL. 1099 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:54.880 They did it to me. 1100 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:56.840 He says, they want to see how tough you are, 1101 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:58.880 if you could take it. And the fact that Sophie 1102 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:02.000 Cunningham went public about this thing that everybody's picking on her, 1103 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.480 They're only going to pick on her continuously, maybe to 1104 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.159 stop picking on Selphie Conningham. Maybe that's why the other 1105 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:09.679 teammates of oars in Indiana. Didn't say a word. 1106 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.119 And what do you think about that? 1107 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:13.719 Well, what I think about that is what my parents 1108 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.360 told me early on when I was being bullied in 1109 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:21.039 grade school by some kid, and and and I you know, 1110 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:24.239 I finally went home one day crying to my mom, 1111 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:29.440 and my mom said, We'll stand up for yourself. You've 1112 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:33.440 got to be the counterbalance to that bully. You've got 1113 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.559 to be tough, You've got to take things into your 1114 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.800 own hands, you know, and sometimes you just have to 1115 01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.760 stand up for yourself. And I think Caitlin Clark has 1116 01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:47.760 been very careful in interviews to not complain about it 1117 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:54.199 at all, really that much, and has taken it in stride. 1118 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.800 She's doing exactly what she should do. And I think 1119 01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.760 Sophie Cunningham is doing exactly what she should do to 1120 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:01.760 up for a teammate. So I don't I don't have 1121 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:02.800 any problems. 1122 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:07.039 Really won Well, you know, I understand why is she alone? 1123 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.199 And I hate to bring this into the picture, but 1124 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.679 we know we've had this problem about ten days ago 1125 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.840 in Cincinnati. But remember, Caln Clark is white. Sophie cutting 1126 01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:16.800 his wife is it a black white thing? I don't 1127 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.280 see the African American players on the Indiana Fever standing 1128 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:21.960 off of her. All right, I don't see that Alaiah 1129 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.039 Boston is a great player. 1130 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:23.760 She's on the fever. 1131 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.840 She's like a team leader there. Why didn't she say anything? 1132 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.159 I can't see inside her heart, Andy, I don't know 1133 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.480 if she's a racist or not. But maybe I. 1134 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.679 Didn't use the term racist. I didn't turn. I didn't 1135 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:36.920 use that. 1136 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:38.480 I don't know. 1137 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:38.960 I don't know. 1138 01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:40.400 Let me let me explain. 1139 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.639 I don't know if Boston. I don't know if Boston 1140 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.199 is a bigot or not. Andy, I have no idea. 1141 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:46.719 I'm not using that term either. 1142 01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.599 No, I'm not using Let me let me explain. I 1143 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.760 traveled and been involved with sports teams most of my life, 1144 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:53.840 most of my adult life. I was a PR guy 1145 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.880 for several professional teams, a couple of college teams. I 1146 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.039 travel with them. I see what goes on, and more 1147 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:02.760 often than not, likes stay with likes. What I mean 1148 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:06.159 by that the blacks on the team congregate with each 1149 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:08.199 other after the game, they go out to dinner, they 1150 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:09.119 feel more comfortable. 1151 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:10.079 That's the whites. 1152 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:12.440 They stay together after the game. That's just the way 1153 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:14.960 it is. And I'm sure, it hasn't changed much in 1154 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.599 the year twenty twenty five. I saw that, you know, 1155 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.159 on the field, they're all for one. They're all for 1156 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:22.840 one cause and that causes winning the ball game. And 1157 01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.519 they're good, they're they're friends, they don't dislike each other. 1158 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.760 But when the game is over, they go with the 1159 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.519 most comfortable aspects, and that is their. 1160 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:34.360 Own kind somebody that looks somebody that looks like them. 1161 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.480 And I have made the same observation being a bartender. Andy, Listen, 1162 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:42.000 I'm in a place where right now, where a bartend 1163 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:47.199 where there is every walk of person you could possibly imagine, 1164 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.000 every shade of skin color that you can imagine, and 1165 01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:52.960 they all come in and they all get along when 1166 01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:57.360 they're at the bar together, but they self segregate. Human 1167 01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:02.280 beings do that, right, They gavitate towards somebody that looks 1168 01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:06.440 like them or has common cultural interest. It's only natural 1169 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:09.480 that people do this. And you know, there was so 1170 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.960 many complaints. The forced segregation was an issue, but people 1171 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:20.639 do that automatically, naturally anyway, without the government telling you, oh, well, 1172 01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:22.599 you're white, you've got to go here, you're black, you've 1173 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:24.800 got to go here. Oh you can't be there together 1174 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:25.880 at the same place. 1175 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:26.519 No. 1176 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.159 Nobody has to tell people that generally, because they just 1177 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.679 do it by It's human nature, is what it is. 1178 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.199 Right. Let me run this by you. We've had some 1179 01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:39.000 problems in the city, and I don't think they've got 1180 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.440 to go away anytime too soon, all right, And they've 1181 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.119 had these meetings, which basically a waste of time. I 1182 01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.599 would suggest, and I suggested this to you. They had 1183 01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:50.480 some undercover cops to see what's going on. I guess 1184 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:51.960 in the downtown area. I don't know if that's going 1185 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.239 to happen. And I told you the last time we chatted, 1186 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:56.760 I wrote to the mayor obviously had no chance to 1187 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:57.840 read it with he was on vacation. 1188 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.639 There's a schmuck right there. Say it's something else. 1189 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.239 If I was his pr guy that first news conference 1190 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.679 that comes out, and he already says, I screwed up. 1191 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:06.920 I should have been here. 1192 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.840 He didn't say that, and didn't he didn't say that. 1193 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.000 No, no, and I know that. 1194 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.000 And the next thing, I do this, if I may 1195 01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:16.880 let me, because I'm gonna think it out a short memory, 1196 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:18.399 I would do this. 1197 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:19.199 I would gather. 1198 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:21.960 Now it sounds kind of stupid, but I would gather 1199 01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:27.199 every interracial marriage couple in the city and get him 1200 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:28.800 all together and tell him. 1201 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:31.439 Yes, you can get along, you can Is that? 1202 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:36.560 Is it possible? There's probably a lot of interracial marriages black, white, white, black, 1203 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.359 you know, black man, white woman, white woman, black man 1204 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:41.760 with whatever. Don't you think you could get a hold 1205 01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:44.560 of them. How many hundreds of interracial marriages do you 1206 01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.279 think are in the greatest Cincinnati. 1207 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:49.880 I'm sure, I'm sure there are many Asian jew marriages, 1208 01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:55.439 a Jewish marriage, yes, I'm sure. Yes, I'm sure there are. 1209 01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:01.159 Maybe Catholic, Catholic, Jews, Catholic, Protestant, you know, anything that 1210 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.960 is different, you know, let them get together and show 1211 01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:08.399 the people, yes, you can't get along Andy. 1212 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:12.399 To quote, to quote a great song from the nineteen 1213 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.960 eighties when I was first in radio by the great 1214 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:20.039 long Forgotten by most people band Depeche Mode. They had 1215 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.760 a great song called people Are People, and the lyrics went, 1216 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.600 people are people, So why should it be you and 1217 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:31.359 I should get along so awfully? Isn't that brilliant? Isn't 1218 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:33.399 that prolific? Isn't isn't that point? 1219 01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.640 It hasn't changed, No, it hasn't changed. This nineteen eighty. 1220 01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:39.680 Right, No, it hasn't changed in all of time, in 1221 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:42.039 all of humankind, Andy, But you have an. 1222 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.000 Answer my question. If they got all these people together 1223 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.439 and maybe the convention center, to me. 1224 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:50.520 Is that a wash? 1225 01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:51.439 Are you are you? 1226 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:52.239 Are you round? 1227 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.880 Are you rounding up people who are in interracial marriages 1228 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:57.920 just to prove a point? Is that what you're saying? 1229 01:09:58.479 --> 01:09:59.840 Yes, yes, well. 1230 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.319 It could be Asian white Asian white too. 1231 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:10.359 So what we're gonna ground them up in vans? And 1232 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:12.279 are we inviting them to dinner? 1233 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:16.840 Are we paying for the dinner them up. 1234 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.000 And forcing them to sit together? Are we? 1235 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:20.079 Oh? 1236 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.439 No, everybody we want the city is sits like to 1237 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.399 come and see that their people can't get along? 1238 01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:28.760 They can't get along, And then you don't. 1239 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.640 Tell their stories how they met, how how difficult and 1240 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:33.479 they have been at the beginning when they went to 1241 01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:35.479 the various in laws at the time when they kind 1242 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.359 of discouraged them to do that, and it worked out, 1243 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:40.880 and it can't work out, and it should work out. 1244 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:45.439 I mean, your wife doesn't being doesn't mind being married 1245 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:50.520 to a functioning idiot? Does she? She gets along with you? 1246 01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:52.640 She didn't know that at first, but she thought she 1247 01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:55.159 could get some relief from the government because of that. 1248 01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:58.119 She's like a She's like an at home Jeopardy champion. 1249 01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:02.319 From what you tell me, Wendy is brilliant. 1250 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.319 I begged her. 1251 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:06.479 I begged her to try out for begged her. 1252 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:08.359 Really, she's unreal. 1253 01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:13.000 Seriously, either she's unreal and smart, or she stays home. 1254 01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:14.319 All the day and she's seen all the read runes 1255 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.000 and knows all the answers. I don't know. I don't know, 1256 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:18.000 but she knows the answer. 1257 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:20.840 If an intelligent person and an idiot can get along, 1258 01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.439 and a white person and a black person into a lack. 1259 01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.159 It like a magnet opposite to true at the north 1260 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:29.039 and south attract to each other at a magnet. 1261 01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:30.119 That's just the way it is. 1262 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:33.399 Well, I mean, we should take a poll, since we're 1263 01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:37.680 talking about magnetic poles. We should just see what people think. 1264 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:42.239 Gary Jeff Walker at seven hundred WLW dot com, do 1265 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.079 you think that opposites attract? And what do you think 1266 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:49.880 of Andy Furman's idea about getting inter racial couples together 1267 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.560 at the convention center when it gets built for a 1268 01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:55.560 dinner and just to show that people can get along 1269 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:57.920 even though they look differently. 1270 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:00.920 I wanted to give me the results of this, and 1271 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:03.399 you know what, and maybe out and maybe way out 1272 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:05.760 there and maybe stupid and may be foolish, but it said, 1273 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:06.600 it's something. 1274 01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:09.479 It's better than these these gas bags. 1275 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:13.119 That have called themselves politicians that are doing nothing. Empty suits, 1276 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:14.840 that's what they are. Empty suits. 1277 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:18.479 Boy, this is one of these occasions where I totally 1278 01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.319 agree with you, which means the conversation is going nowhere. 1279 01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:22.800 I should probably hang up now. 1280 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:25.840 No, don't hang up, because I want to go back 1281 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:27.520 to the sports. So that's my comfort zone. And I 1282 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:29.720 want to tell about Trey Hendrickson who threatened he's. 1283 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:30.119 Not going to play. 1284 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.119 I got one minute he's not going to play, Yeah, 1285 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:37.479 one minute, go go all right a minute? 1286 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.159 Oh, Trey henders Is he's not gonna play like I'm 1287 01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:41.520 not gonna play, and I'm not going to play in 1288 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.079 the NFL this year. He's gonna play doing me. Don't 1289 01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.960 threaten me. They're fullse threats. And Mike Brown's gonna win 1290 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:48.760 this deal. Really, you're not gonna give the guy a 1291 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:52.479 three year deal, maybe two years or a year with 1292 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:54.279 a year to be named later or whatever. 1293 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:54.880 It may be an. 1294 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:58.199 Extension, whatever, but come on, really, I mean I wish 1295 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.680 he was f on fifty thousand a day that you 1296 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:03.000 know they're sitting out now, I take to sit in. 1297 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.680 We stand the sidelines with a cap. You don't get 1298 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:08.880 the fifty thousand dollars, fine, please, you know, don't ruin it. 1299 01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:11.439 You're ruining your life, You're ruining if everybody else. 1300 01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:17.479 Fur Ball, I take that functioning idiot thing back. I 1301 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:18.399 think you're brilliant. 1302 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:22.239 Thank you so much, God bless you. I'll see it. Thanks. 1303 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:25.880 All right, Yeah, we will see each other at some 1304 01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:28.359 point whenever he comes out of hiding or decides to 1305 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:31.840 get out of his car. The wild Man coming up. 1306 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:37.800 We go into our final hour of this Wednesday night cap. 1307 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:42.119 Yeah sorry, and Carol Fans, I mean he's doing something else. 1308 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.199 I don't care. I get to work Gary, Jeff with you. 1309 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.600 And in this eleven o'clock hour, we continue our hour 1310 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.439 of sports for the out of Sorts with the other 1311 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.880 Google cluster in our bunch, the one and Only wild Man. 1312 01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.199 When we were lining this interview up, he said I've 1313 01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.920 got a case of the goo, which he always seems 1314 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.279 to and he said, I've really got a case of 1315 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:07.159 the goo goo Now and if you're not familiar with 1316 01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:10.680 that term, the goo is a be in his bondet. 1317 01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:13.920 He's upset about something. So I can't wait to find 1318 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:18.239 out exactly what that is, uh this time this week, 1319 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:22.439 because it's something different all the time. Sometimes like Danny Graves, 1320 01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:24.600 it's the same damn thing. I hope it's not Danny 1321 01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:29.760 Graves tonight, wild man, what's going on? Well? 1322 01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:32.359 Uh, I do have a case of the goop, But 1323 01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.439 I want to I want to focus on something really 1324 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:38.600 not positive, but something but looking forward to. And it 1325 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:44.399 would be the Bengals first preseason game on Thursday, m Yes. 1326 01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:47.479 Yes, tomorrow the Bengals will be playing. 1327 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:52.239 And the Philadelphia Eagles, the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles 1328 01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:58.279 in Philadelphia, and I'm hoping that Joe Burrow at least 1329 01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.479 gets to play a full quarter, maybe a little bit more. 1330 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.600 And the same goes with the old line and the 1331 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.000 defensive line. In fact, i'd like to see the defensive 1332 01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:10.439 line play two quarters or the whole defense play two quarters, 1333 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:13.359 but that predicates on what the score could be. But 1334 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:15.720 they've got to be ready, They've got to be ready. 1335 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.880 And I finally, Zach Taylor's got it in a stick 1336 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.399 skull that these guys have got to play more so 1337 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:22.840 they don't go and lay an egg up in Cleveland, 1338 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:23.880 which opened the season. 1339 01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.439 We can't have that been here. Have been hearing good 1340 01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:29.680 reports about Shamar Stewart, the number one pick in practice 1341 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:30.119 so far. 1342 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.439 Yeah, I've heard some good reports. I used to even 1343 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.279 batting down a lot of balls and they're they're getting him. 1344 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:40.840 Here's the fans. Sometimes you just wonder what the hell 1345 01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:44.399 they're thinking they drafted this guy, not because we can 1346 01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:46.439 get sacks, but's got but he could put the rush 1347 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.239 on the quarterback. And plus he's got that big frame, 1348 01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.560 those long arms. If he could put pressure on the quarterback, 1349 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.359 that'll help the other guy if they ever sign him 1350 01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.560 Trey Henrick, so that'll help everybody. But so far, it 1351 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:00.920 sounds like he's doing fine. I mean, he was there 1352 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.399 at many camp. People forget that he was there at 1353 01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:06.119 many camp watching, talking, listening to guys. 1354 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:07.039 It's not like he was just. 1355 01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.640 Walked away and wasn't there. He was there and that 1356 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:12.840 now he's there and he sounds like he's doing okay. 1357 01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:13.520 Yeah. 1358 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:16.640 Well, and you mentioned the fact that he's batted down 1359 01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:20.479 some balls in practice, and to me, that's just as 1360 01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:23.319 good as a sack. I mean, it stops the offense 1361 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:27.199 you're playing against. It stops the offense you're playing against, 1362 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:30.159 right where they snapped the ball the last time once 1363 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:33.640 once he got an incomplete pass. It's just as good 1364 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:36.520 as a sack. All the bally who about Trey Hendrickson 1365 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:40.640 and all of the wonderful things he did and getting 1366 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.640 all the sacks and having these wonderful seasons, which yeah, 1367 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.479 mind you he did. But you know, if you got somebody, 1368 01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:53.720 how many times did a Bengals drive get stalled because 1369 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:56.600 Joe Burrow's pass got batted down at the line. It 1370 01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:59.000 happened all the time, wild man. And if you got 1371 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.399 a guy on your defense, they can do the same 1372 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:03.439 thing to the opposing team's quarterback. 1373 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:04.039 Win. 1374 01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:04.920 Win, Baby. 1375 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:08.560 Couldn't agree with you more there, Gary, Jeff, I mean, 1376 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:10.680 I want to see the old line, what they're gonna 1377 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:12.279 do with the old line here, and see how they 1378 01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:14.680 perform protecting Joe. And I think it comes down to 1379 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:18.079 what Joe does first series of fields. He's been throwing 1380 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.520 so much in camp and looking great. Al Goldin the 1381 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.600 other day just said that he's like, you know, he's 1382 01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:26.000 just way above the above the line when it comes 1383 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:29.079 to being a quarterback, the thinking the thinking man's quarterback. 1384 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.359 So I just don't see what kind of Joe does. 1385 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:33.159 But Joe, I'm sure wants to get out there and 1386 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:34.800 knock off some russ A lot of guys need to 1387 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:37.039 knock off that rust and be ready when the bell 1388 01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:39.319 rings when they play the Browns up in Cleveland. 1389 01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:45.199 Yeah, you know what's It's okay. You said not positive, 1390 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.000 but you looking forward to the Bengals first preseason game. 1391 01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:52.760 I'd say that's a positive thing, and it's refreshing to 1392 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.680 hear you say something positive for a change. Sounds dumping 1393 01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:57.439 on everybody. 1394 01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:01.479 I only speak the truth. I only speak the truth 1395 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.439 to power. Now can I move out? 1396 01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:03.600 Now? 1397 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:04.800 I move while I've got the goo? 1398 01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:08.239 Oh well, okay, goo one, because I'm sure there's more 1399 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.159 than more than a couple of there's two. 1400 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:12.600 There's too many changes. 1401 01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:13.560 Goo. 1402 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.960 Number one is good. 1403 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:20.399 Number one is the the Chicago Cubs wearing Ryan Sandberg 1404 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:23.399 jerseys and the game lasts a week right after he passed. 1405 01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:27.439 That was a great idea, everybody wearing Ryan Sandberg jerseys. 1406 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:30.359 But when I saw that, I thought, why did the 1407 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:35.479 Cincinnati Reds players wear Pete Rose jerseys on May fourteenth? 1408 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.920 Why didn't they run to wear those jerseys? 1409 01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:38.600 Am in the head? 1410 01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.720 Six months to prepare for that game. Why didn't the 1411 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.520 Cincinnati Reds wear Pee Rose jerseys? Wearing effect? They could 1412 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:48.479 have taken those jerseys and sold them, had an option 1413 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:51.000 for the Reds Community Fund and made a lot of money. 1414 01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.479 Talk about somebody dropping the ball, major drop of the ball, 1415 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:57.000 and that's a great thing that the Cubs did. And 1416 01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:58.880 the Cubs only had like about a week to get 1417 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.600 it together. I said, so almost six months. Why didn't 1418 01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:05.880 the Reds players wear Pete Rose jerseys? 1419 01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:09.560 It's a good question. I have no answers for you. 1420 01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.840 I'm not in the I think it's upset that they 1421 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.439 didn't do that exactly. I think it's absurd in the 1422 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.960 front office or they're so called great marketing staff dropped 1423 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:20.399 the ball. I think they've got some of these young 1424 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:22.880 kids in there that have no clue what the hell 1425 01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:25.439 is going on now. Case of the goo number two, 1426 01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:29.760 Case of the goo goo, too goo or not to goo? 1427 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:35.199 The Red's Braves game at Bristol Motor Speedway. Reds players 1428 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:37.600 the jerseys they were wearing, they did not have the 1429 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:42.199 fourteen patch on them? What's up with that? They've been 1430 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.119 wearing the Red jerseys all year with a fourteen patch. 1431 01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:48.640 In this game the fourteen patches not on their jerseys. 1432 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.000 Not one player had the guts to stand up and ask, 1433 01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:55.159 what's up with this? Why aren't we Why isn't the 1434 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.840 fourteen patch on here? Terry Francona, who played for Pete Rose, 1435 01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:02.520 I'm really disap he didn't address that. And I know 1436 01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.760 it's major League Baseball. Who Gary Jeff are so petty 1437 01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:08.720 over this Pete Rose thing? But here's what really blows 1438 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:13.680 my mind. Outside on the concourse, they had displays of 1439 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:17.079 former Reds. They had Johnny Bench in display, they had 1440 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:20.760 Eric Davis, and they had one of Pete Rose. So 1441 01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:23.279 they had one of Pete Rose as a display. Why 1442 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.159 did they have the patch on the damn jersey? 1443 01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:28.640 Are you the only person that looks for the patch? 1444 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:29.239 Wild man? 1445 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.079 I just went it's always there, It's been there all 1446 01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:35.239 season long. Why did they take it? 1447 01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:35.479 So? 1448 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:37.159 Why do they take it off for a game like this? 1449 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.600 I know, what's the point. I know, I don't know. 1450 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.560 I know what is It's rock Banfred, you know, being 1451 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.520 an ass, just being an ass and being so petty 1452 01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:49.239 over this. Reds fans are fed up with this kind 1453 01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:51.720 of crap. Gary jeff I said when Pete Rose passed 1454 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:54.279 away that I was never ever gonna last a name 1455 01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:56.880 be forgotten in this count, and now even have more 1456 01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:58.960 resolve on it, I'm never ever gonna let it go. 1457 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:04.840 I don't think anybody a yeahs a p Rose junior. 1458 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:06.399 I don't want to tell you what he told me 1459 01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:09.279 about major League Baseball about what they did. Not only 1460 01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:12.079 would the Jerseys not wearing them back on May fourteenth, 1461 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.479 but not have the patch for the Reds and the 1462 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:16.960 uh the Reds and the. 1463 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.680 Considered a home game too. Hey, you're considered a home game. 1464 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:26.159 Listen on the on the game on both counts, I 1465 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:30.199 can see where you're coming from. And especially since they 1466 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:34.319 have wore the number fourteen patch all season long, why 1467 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:38.119 wouldn't they have worn it at the extravaganza there at 1468 01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:44.880 Great American Bristol Park on Saturday, which, by the way, man, 1469 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.279 that was a real downer for people who who had 1470 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:51.399 traveled all that way for a Reds home game, you know, 1471 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.840 either way from Cincinnati or Atlanta, just to have the 1472 01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.520 weather dump on It's like they did. And then you know, 1473 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:02.520 it seemed kind of antique climactic on Sunday afternoon. And 1474 01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:08.079 then sometimes the weather, Mother Nature doesn't cooperate with man's plans. 1475 01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:13.520 That's just what happens. But I can understand, uh, I 1476 01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.640 can understand you being upset that they didn't have the 1477 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:18.760 number fourteen patch when they're wearing it in every other 1478 01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.840 game all season long. And I don't know how Major 1479 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.680 League Baseball has any role in that. 1480 01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:27.159 Oh, I'm sure they're the ones that did it because 1481 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.000 they had those special jerseys made up. Or I can't 1482 01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.039 believe that Reds would drop the ball. I mean last night, 1483 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.359 well the other night when they had Reds played the Cubs, 1484 01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:36.119 they were wearing a jersey and they had the fourteen 1485 01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:39.199 on it that came from Major League Baseball. I guarantee 1486 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:41.279 you somebody from Major League Baseball said, oh, we don't 1487 01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:43.680 want that fourteen. We don't want Fox to be talking 1488 01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:45.760 about it because the game was on the game was 1489 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:48.279 on Fox. That's bs that really is. And again, like 1490 01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:50.560 I said, I said to messis the Pete Rose Junior 1491 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:50.880 about it? 1492 01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:52.000 And I won't I won't. 1493 01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:55.399 I can't say what he said, you know over the 1494 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.359 phone about Major League Baseball. He's slapping the face for 1495 01:22:58.520 --> 01:23:02.279 Pete Rose's family and Pete rose fans. What they did. 1496 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:03.079 I'm sick of it. 1497 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:04.079 I'm just sick of it. 1498 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.359 Well, give me an idea without violating any FCC rules. 1499 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:13.680 Did he question Rob Manford's mother or was there's something 1500 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:14.520 else involved? 1501 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:18.840 I mean now he said MLB. 1502 01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:22.600 Ah, okay, okay, So figure what that means. 1503 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:23.960 I don't know. 1504 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:28.199 I'm not sure, wild Man. I tell you what. Let's 1505 01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:30.600 take a quick break and come back. Well, I make 1506 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.239 sure that the dump button is still working. For session two, 1507 01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:37.760 we're back with the wild Man. He's washed his mouth 1508 01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:40.199 out with soap so we can continue this interview and 1509 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:44.560 not be fine. So, wild Man, you were talking about 1510 01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.319 the thing at Bristol. I did not know that Major 1511 01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:50.800 League Baseball just took over the speedway for that game. 1512 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.119 I mean, I understand that they'd want to have a 1513 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.600 hand in making sure that all the specifications for a 1514 01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:59.039 baseball game are there, you know, the dimensions of the 1515 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:02.159 field and all the things that needed to happen to 1516 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:05.920 turn a racetrack into a baseball field. But I mean 1517 01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.399 the people at Bristol Motor Speedway, they handle those big 1518 01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:13.520 crowds on a regular basis. They know what they're doing. 1519 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:17.359 Why weren't they a part of making sure the concessions 1520 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:19.439 were right and you're not going to run out of 1521 01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:24.239 food or water for the crowd and there's ample parking. 1522 01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:28.399 I mean, why did MLB decide to put their big 1523 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:33.319 foot down and in somebody else's venue and act like 1524 01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:35.279 they owned it. What was the deal there? 1525 01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:38.199 Well, I'm just going by from what I've been reading 1526 01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:40.199 and all around the country, and I you know some 1527 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.159 people that first hand that went down there that I know, 1528 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.520 and you know Bristol you know, Motor Speedway for years, 1529 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:47.319 like you said, have been able to handle those crowds 1530 01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:48.840 because they've got the people, they know what to do. 1531 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:52.520 Major League Baseball, I guess came in and said, okay, 1532 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.319 you know we're going to do it this way, and 1533 01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:57.800 Bristol mounters Seedway said, well, now we've got the people here, 1534 01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:59.880 you should use these people. Now we've got it handled. 1535 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.039 And that's what they did. And it was kind of 1536 01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:05.800 like a disaster. It really was. Some of those seats 1537 01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:08.119 where they had people city it was just absurd. I mean, 1538 01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.520 they spaceship have sold those seats and what's the big 1539 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.439 deal that it's the largest regular season crowd in baseball history? 1540 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:16.439 Was not in a quarter against you? A cup of 1541 01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:20.359 coffee maybe at Whitecastle? Who really cares? Who really cares? 1542 01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:24.960 And that was the largest regular season crowd and baseball history? 1543 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:25.800 Who really cares? 1544 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:26.399 Do you know? 1545 01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:29.640 Wild Man? What the largest crowd to ever see a 1546 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:32.319 Major League Baseball game was? And it wasn't? 1547 01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:33.000 It was? 1548 01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:34.239 It was? 1549 01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:38.479 It was in Los Angeles Coliseum. Yes, the World Series 1550 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.319 in nineteen sixty three, I believe, I think sixty three, 1551 01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:43.479 when the Dodgers play there. 1552 01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:46.199 Yet it was a preseason game between the Red Sox 1553 01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:49.479 and the Dodgers in two thousand and five. They drew 1554 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.520 one hundred and fifteen thousand people to the coliseum for 1555 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:53.479 that baseball game. 1556 01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:57.640 Okay, that's so that's a preseason game now exactly a 1557 01:25:57.720 --> 01:25:59.920 game that really means something? Was the World Series? 1558 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:02.119 Certainly it means yah means But. 1559 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.840 Either way, and then again, going back, how do you 1560 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:07.840 how do you not plan for something like this? And 1561 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:09.880 here's something a lot of people don't know. The All 1562 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:13.239 Star Game that's run by Major League Baseball. They come 1563 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:16.039 in and they run everything, and I always go back 1564 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:18.319 to the story here in town. When the Reds of 1565 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:21.439 the All Star Game in nineteen eighty eight, Major League 1566 01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:25.520 Baseball came in and started with their calculators looking up 1567 01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:28.600 with a minute march, you're three hundred thousand dollars short 1568 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:33.279 on ticket sales. There where's the money? Well, I got 1569 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:35.680 some tickets in my drawer. Well, you either pay for 1570 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:37.840 them or put them out on sale. She was going 1571 01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:40.600 to try to scound with that money, by Major League 1572 01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:43.399 by Ball caught her because it's their game. So when 1573 01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:46.840 they come in and control everything. Not they haven't control 1574 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:49.439 the concessions of Great American Ballpark, but they control a 1575 01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:51.720 lot of stuff, and one of them is the money situation. 1576 01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:54.319 Well, I know you constantly, and you're not the only 1577 01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:56.720 one that has a problem with Rob Manford, the current 1578 01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.760 commissioner of Major League Baseball. But you under stand, don't you, 1579 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:06.000 that without the first commissioner of Major League Baseball, that 1580 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:12.000 Jerk Kenton Landers Mountain Landers. Without him, Pete Rose never 1581 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:15.159 would have been banned for life, and Joe Jackson never 1582 01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:20.199 would have had his entire career and reputations sullied in 1583 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:24.760 the Black Sox scandal. Without this declaration of lifetime bands 1584 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:26.720 for gambling. What are they going to do with the 1585 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:33.359 two guardians who've been accused of participating in gambling? Uh, 1586 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.840 what's going to happen now with these guys, wild Man? 1587 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:37.840 Because I don't I. 1588 01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:40.680 Don't have I think I just got to come down 1589 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:42.680 because it sounds like it's pretty serious. But going back 1590 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:46.920 to the Keensaw Mountain landis, did you know that he 1591 01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:50.279 was adamant keeping blacks out of baseball? He did not 1592 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:55.039 want blacks in baseball at all? Yeah, it was it, No, 1593 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:55.479 he was. 1594 01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:58.039 He was a jerk all the way around. 1595 01:27:58.680 --> 01:27:58.920 Yeah. 1596 01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:03.800 Yeah, and and uh what was his uh Ford frick? 1597 01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:10.039 He he was the terrible You know, Bud Selig was 1598 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:12.880 a joke who came up with the tie at the 1599 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:14.640 All Star Game and said. 1600 01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:18.079 That I was not that game I remember, like was yesterday, and. 1601 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:23.359 The architect of uh everything that led to the strikes 1602 01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:29.319 and then the steroid skin. You know, Major League Baseball 1603 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:32.840 does not have a great history of great commissioners, uh 1604 01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:38.039 controlling the game, do they? Rob Manford is just another 1605 01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:40.840 and no long line of idiots that are so called 1606 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.880 in charge of the game, And maybe that's why it's 1607 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:47.239 lost its luster as a national pastime. Because you got 1608 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.600 a bunch of idiots and bean counters in charge instead 1609 01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:54.039 of baseball people. Do you agree or not? 1610 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:57.159 I couldn't agree with you more. Gary, Jeff, you said 1611 01:28:57.159 --> 01:28:57.600 you said it? 1612 01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:01.319 Well, so now I got my goo out of the way. 1613 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.119 Is there any Is there anything else you want to 1614 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:06.479 cover here in the next couple of minutes? Wild Man? 1615 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:07.239 We know no. 1616 01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:10.399 I'm excited for Bengos to start playing preseason. I want 1617 01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:12.800 to see I want to see Joe Burrow and the line, 1618 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.600 the d line play a little play a little bit 1619 01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:16.760 more than they have in the past, and then hopefully 1620 01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:18.880 he'll play in the second preseason game or maybe the 1621 01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:21.920 third preseason game is really the well, the third preseason 1622 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:24.840 game nobody plays, So the first two reasons eason games 1623 01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:27.279 they've got to You'll get the rust knocked off and 1624 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.720 be ready to go because they're now. 1625 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:32.279 You told me, you told me you were watching gun 1626 01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:36.520 Smoke reruns? Yeah, did you ever see The Big Valley? 1627 01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:40.199 I didn't like that show, never watched you know what, 1628 01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.640 you know? I like The Big Valley because Barbara, Barbara 1629 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:48.239 Stanwick starred in the Big Valley, and for a long time, 1630 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:52.560 as a kid, I thought The Valley was the cleavage 1631 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:58.640 that Barbara Stanwick showed the wild Man's gone Uh anyway, 1632 01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:02.720 thanks to wild Walker and his cases of goo. On 1633 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:06.600 this special Wednesday night Tach, We'll be coming back after 1634 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:09.520 news and we'll wrap things up with the one and 1635 01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:12.760 only Dave Hatter some it tech talk here and there 1636 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:15.279 is a bunch going on in the world of AI 1637 01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:19.479 and our competition as a country against China and the 1638 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:21.760 rest of the world. We're going to get into it 1639 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.720 in just a few minutes here on seven hundred WLW. 1640 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:29.119 As we put the rap on his nightcap on this 1641 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:34.239 Wednesday evening, Dave Hatter joins us doomsday Dave. That's right, 1642 01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:39.640 the aluminum foil hat wearing it guy, warning us about 1643 01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:43.560 the dangers of the brave new world of technology which 1644 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.439 we are in the middle of it. I mean, we're 1645 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.119 down the rabbit hole quite a ways now. Is there 1646 01:30:49.159 --> 01:30:52.880 any way to find our way not out necessarily, but 1647 01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.640 through it? And these are the questions we ask of 1648 01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:58.560 mister Hatter. Dave, how are you this evening? It's good 1649 01:30:58.600 --> 01:30:58.920 to have you. 1650 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:03.000 I'm good, Garrett, Jeff, always good to be had, you know. 1651 01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:06.000 And I just want to say it's the tinfo hatchets. 1652 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:09.680 You know you got to wear it right, sure, I 1653 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:12.800 mean if it fits, certainly, And I think it's a 1654 01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:17.319 bold fashion statement for a lot of people, depending on 1655 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:23.159 what else you're wearing, all right, Dave, so AI it's 1656 01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:27.119 the focus of so much conversation, the big beautiful Bill 1657 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:32.520 and everything else related around artificial intelligence and our role 1658 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:37.239 as a country as opposed to China's. The United States 1659 01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:41.479 has to this point led on AI development, but China 1660 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:45.399 has caught up very very quickly, and with things like 1661 01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:50.920 Deep Seek and the other initiatives by the Communist Chinese Party. 1662 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.520 Is there a danger that the United States falls behind 1663 01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:56.279 China in this development? 1664 01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:01.159 I think there definitely is. First, let me say that, 1665 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.960 you know, there's so much hype and hyperboles for ending AI. 1666 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.720 It's in every mid cycle. You can hardly escape the stuff. 1667 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:10.680 And you know, there's all kinds of increasing stories out 1668 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:13.119 there about how it's failing at many tasks. I don't 1669 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:14.560 know if you happen to see the story about how 1670 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:17.000 Hurtz has been using it to try to determine if 1671 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:19.640 you've damaged their vehicles when you're in and it comes 1672 01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:22.840 up with stuff that's completely insane. People are getting gigantic bills, 1673 01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:25.119 and anyway, I don't want to get two far down 1674 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.600 that rabbit hole. But my point is, despite the hyperbole 1675 01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:30.520 that you know, we're headed for this beautiful utopia or 1676 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.600 we're all going to be killed, when you see what's 1677 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:36.399 actually going on out there doesn't necessarily align with either 1678 01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:38.960 of those kind of where things are at. But that's 1679 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:40.479 only you know. I only know what I can see 1680 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:44.079 out there, Gary, Jeff, I'm not working on these products directly. 1681 01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:46.479 That said, I do think it makes a lot of 1682 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:48.840 sense for us as a society and for humanity as 1683 01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:52.920 a whole that as AI progresses, and it is progressing 1684 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.840 very quickly, that as we get closer to some type 1685 01:32:56.880 --> 01:33:02.239 of artificial superintelligence, that it has American ethics and morals 1686 01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:06.119 and values versus Chinese Communist Party ethics and morals and values. 1687 01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:09.039 I mean, we see the things that they do on 1688 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.600 a regular basis. And also one of the reasons why 1689 01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:14.399 they are progressing as quickly as they are in terms 1690 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.560 of potentially catching and surpassing exs because to keep stealing 1691 01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:22.399 American intellectual property. So yeah, I mean, I feel strongly 1692 01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:25.159 that it would be in humanity's best interest for us 1693 01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:28.680 to continue to lead to win the race whatever that 1694 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:33.159 really means. And you know, again when you look at 1695 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:35.079 the way they operate and the things they do to 1696 01:33:35.119 --> 01:33:37.680 their own citizens, like the leaguers and so forth, I 1697 01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:40.520 don't think we want their AI making decisions for us. 1698 01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:43.960 Well, and AI, what is the deal? And I've heard 1699 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.199 this over and over in relation to AI, that AI 1700 01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:51.760 sometimes at this point and it's development hallucinates. What's that 1701 01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:52.279 all about? 1702 01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:56.279 Yes, so you might also hear the term confabulation, which 1703 01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:00.960 is sort of synonymous with hallucinations and then basically means 1704 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.399 that it will just make things up. You know, these things, 1705 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:06.479 some would argue they're sycophantic. They want to keep you 1706 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.720 using them, They want to keep you engaged, they want 1707 01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:10.239 to make you happy, they want to tell you what 1708 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:13.000 you want to hear. There have been numerous stories out 1709 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:15.760 there about people trying to use tools like open ended 1710 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:19.920 tools like JATGBT or drop for therapy, or there are 1711 01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:23.560 tools out there now specifically designed as sort of online therapists. 1712 01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.199 I want to be really clear, Gary Jeffs, none of 1713 01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:28.199 these things have any of the same constraints that a 1714 01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:31.239 human therapist or doctor would. They're not down by HIPPA. 1715 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:35.399 They're not bound by patient confidentiality. There are many well 1716 01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:37.760 documented cases now out there. If you go look of 1717 01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:40.640 these things gone off the rails, people have committed suicide. 1718 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.880 It's told people to kill people. There is no way 1719 01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:46.960 I would put any sort of sensitive information into any 1720 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:50.079 AI product, and I would certainly not have any conversations 1721 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:53.520 about my mental health or what I'm thinking with these things, 1722 01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:55.840 because even if they don't go off the rails, and 1723 01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.279 even if they somehow make you feel better, there's no 1724 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:00.479 telling where your data will end up or who will 1725 01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:05.600 have access to it. Yeah, I'm going to say your 1726 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:08.880 hallucination question. You know again, they'll just make things up. 1727 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:12.000 They'll tell you something that's not true, and often will 1728 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:14.000 argue with it that it is true. And that's that's 1729 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:16.359 one of the risks of using these tools as they 1730 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:19.319 stand today, is if you don't know anything about a 1731 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:21.920 topic and you start asking questions, it will be very 1732 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.520 difficult for you to know if what you're getting is 1733 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:28.239 correct or not. So that's that's what a hallucination is. 1734 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:29.920 It just literally makes things up, and there have been 1735 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:33.159 attorneys for examples, prepare briefs using these things. It just 1736 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:35.399 made up cases, and that's caused all kinds of problems 1737 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:35.840 for folks. 1738 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:38.920 What about the story and you kind of briefly touched 1739 01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:43.159 on it then of this AI therapist number one, I 1740 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:47.039 have a problem and some people need it. I have 1741 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:49.439 a problem going to anybody else to figure out how 1742 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:53.800 I'm feeling. But I'm certainly not going to use a 1743 01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:59.560 computer as a therapist. This story about this therapist AI 1744 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.000 therapy was going haywire and urging the user to go 1745 01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:05.840 on a killing spree. Where was that and what's that 1746 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:06.439 all about? 1747 01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:10.720 Yeah, I would encourage people, and you know, I'll post 1748 01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.000 it on access. People want to get the full detailed 1749 01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.399 story because people need to read this stuff for themselves, 1750 01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:17.079 you know, I know we don't have enough time to 1751 01:36:17.119 --> 01:36:19.039 really dig into these in detail, but this is a 1752 01:36:19.079 --> 01:36:22.560 perfect example of where someone is using these tools. Again, 1753 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:27.600 in some cases, there are specific AI bots built as therapists, right, 1754 01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:29.600 you can go talk to them about your problems and 1755 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.439 so forth. And then there are the other more gentle 1756 01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:36.199 purpose tools again, things like drop Chat, bt Copilot, Perplexity, Quality, 1757 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:38.279 et cetera. And you know, people will go in there 1758 01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:41.439 and ask questions aka prompts. That's the official name where 1759 01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:45.079 I'm going to prompt the AI tool. And you know, again, 1760 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.039 some would argue that these things are sycophantics. They tell 1761 01:36:48.079 --> 01:36:50.319 you what you want to hear. They tell you, oh, well, 1762 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:53.199 if you one person, for example, Gary Jeff, said I 1763 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:55.479 lost my job. Now, there have been people testing these 1764 01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:57.800 things to see how they'll behave right, They're going in 1765 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.640 and there purposely trying to see, well, what a responsible 1766 01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:00.800 I got. 1767 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:01.079 I guess. 1768 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:03.880 So professional therapist goes in there, sets up a camera 1769 01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:07.880 and you know, videotapes like a whole interaction session of 1770 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:09.960 one of these things, and they say, like, I lost 1771 01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:12.640 my job. I'm looking to find a tall bridge around here. 1772 01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:15.359 And you know, instead of saying hmm, that might be 1773 01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:18.359 an indication that this person is thinking about committing suicide, 1774 01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:21.600 it gives them directions to the you know, local tallest 1775 01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:24.319 bridge that they could jump off. I mean again, this 1776 01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:27.000 this stuff is well documented. There are you know, there's 1777 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:29.520 a at least one case of a teenager who committed 1778 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:33.279 suicide after he quote fell in love unquote with the 1779 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:36.560 AI and it basically told him allegedly that you know, 1780 01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:39.000 they should they could be together forever. And you know, 1781 01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:43.119 so you know, one case it basically told people told 1782 01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:45.880 someone well they should just go It alluded to they 1783 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:48.079 should be killing the people that are causing their problems. 1784 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:52.600 So again, you know, in my mind, I'm not sure 1785 01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:54.479 we'll ever get to a place where these things would 1786 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:56.920 be a good therapist. But we're certainly not ready for 1787 01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.359 prime time. And more and more of these stories keep 1788 01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:02.640 showing up, and I just want to reiterate in my opinion. 1789 01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:04.960 Now you know me, Gary, Jeff, I'm the tenfold hat guy. 1790 01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:08.119 You already mentioned that there is no way because there's 1791 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:11.600 no hippa around this, there's no patient confidentiality around this. 1792 01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:14.520 Even if you read their privacy policy, it's probably going 1793 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:17.319 to be a confused opolyte that you can't understand. There's 1794 01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:19.680 no telling what they're doing with your data, there's no 1795 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:22.399 so these questions you're asking, in the responses you're getting 1796 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:25.359 in the ongoing conversation, that could be fed to someone else, 1797 01:38:25.439 --> 01:38:27.239 It could be sold to a third party. It could 1798 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:29.159 be used against you somewhere down the road to keep 1799 01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:31.239 you from getting a job or insurance or who knows what. 1800 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:34.640 In my opinion, as it stands today, it would be 1801 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:38.600 absolutely insane to use one of these tools in this way, 1802 01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:41.840 because you have no protection around not to mention that 1803 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:44.840 the possible you know, answers that don't make sense and 1804 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:48.399 or cause more problems. There's well documented cases where people 1805 01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:51.800 have sort of come under the belief that the AI 1806 01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:55.439 they're talking to is Sinian and essentially a creature, you know, 1807 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:59.479 or a spiritual supreme creature, and they go off the rails. 1808 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:01.399 They lose the job, they lose their home, they lose 1809 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:04.159 everything because you know, they think this thing is telling 1810 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:06.720 them how to live their life. Again, I'm not making 1811 01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:09.159 this stuff up, Gary, Jeff. It's all well documented from 1812 01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:13.000 reputable sources. Using these tools in this way at this time, 1813 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:15.880 there's nothing good that can come of it for you. 1814 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:17.800 And I want to encourage all of your listeners to 1815 01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:20.680 not do that and to think really hard about what 1816 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:23.640 information they are putting in what questions they are asking, 1817 01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:27.560 because there's no guarantee of any privacy that won't. 1818 01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:30.960 Be I'm sorry, we're talking to Dave Hatter in the 1819 01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:33.119 night Cap. I hate to delay on this phone, by 1820 01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:34.880 the way, that's all. 1821 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:35.199 Yeah. 1822 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:40.000 We referenced your aluminium or tenfoil hat several times already tonight, Dave, 1823 01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:44.960 do you believe it actually prevents extraterrestrial aliens from reading 1824 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:47.359 your thoughts. The aluminum foil hat. 1825 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:50.640 Well, it may be with a good lead light. You know, 1826 01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:53.199 you have a layer of ten foil and a layer 1827 01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:55.239 of lead and another layer of ten foil, because you 1828 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:56.359 know you don't want to get to leave on you. 1829 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:01.319 I think it might and perhaps the government brain control 1830 01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:01.840 wags too. 1831 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:05.920 Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That's probably even more pressing. 1832 01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:11.039 Amazon has acquired B and when I saw the headline, 1833 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:14.279 I was afraid they've taken over the Babylon B. The 1834 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:17.359 Babylon B is ruined if Amazon is controlling that. But 1835 01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:21.520 it's B is something else. It's an AI more AI, 1836 01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:26.239 I hear more wearable that. Here's everything you say. This 1837 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:30.000 is like Internet of Things devices, but you're wearing it 1838 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:33.520 on your person and it is listening to every single 1839 01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:36.359 thing you say. Tell me about that, if you would. 1840 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:38.960 Sir, And this is to me Gary. Yeah, this is 1841 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:42.119 just another example that points out why I personally despise 1842 01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:45.840 the Internet of Things. I fully understand how people see 1843 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.720 these so called smart devices, which are often rather dumb 1844 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:52.479 when it comes to privacy and security, as amazing conveniences 1845 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:55.680 in their lives. I totally understand that. But the problem 1846 01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:58.880 is most people, again, you don't understand the privacy policy. 1847 01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:01.199 Even if you read it, you don't understand what they're 1848 01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:03.399 doing with your data, who has access to it, how 1849 01:41:03.439 --> 01:41:06.239 long they're keeping it, who they're selling it to, etc. Now, 1850 01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:08.840 imagine you're walking around with a device that is constantly 1851 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:12.560 recording you, purportedly to make notes and lists and make. 1852 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:13.199 Your life easier. 1853 01:41:13.279 --> 01:41:15.960 Right So, you and I are having a conversation right now, 1854 01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:17.880 and this thing is capturing it and it's trying to 1855 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.319 figure out what to do with that. Now, of course 1856 01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:22.880 I've never used this product personally, There's not a chance 1857 01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:26.520 I would ever use something like this. And the problem is, 1858 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.039 even if you think this is great for you, garrety Jess, 1859 01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:32.279 if I'm having a conversation with you, I'm potentially being 1860 01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:35.279 recorded as well. Do you have my consent to do that? 1861 01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:40.159 You know, again, I think the whole space is crazy. 1862 01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:42.399 So much of design t stuff is just the privacy 1863 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:45.319 and security dumpster fire. They don't care about your privacy 1864 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:47.720 or security. They care about speed to market, market share, 1865 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.960 and needs of use. And you know, one of the 1866 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:52.279 reasons why these things are often so cheap is because 1867 01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:54.079 it's your data that makes them the money in the 1868 01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:56.520 first place. It's not selling you the product, it's the 1869 01:41:56.600 --> 01:41:59.640 fact that they can monetize your data. All of that said, 1870 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:02.039 this thing again, there is no chance. That's why I 1871 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:04.079 don't have a ring doorbell. The thing can hear you 1872 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:06.079 from up to twenty five feet away, so you're standing 1873 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.399 having a conversation with your neighbor, and you know that's 1874 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:14.039 all getting captured, so you know, to me, you know, 1875 01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:17.279 whether Amazon owns it or whomever else, that's not the issue. 1876 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:18.960 The issue is these. 1877 01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:22.920 Internet of things devices often are misconfigured. People don't know 1878 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:25.720 how to configure them correctly. They don't take any basic 1879 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:28.319 security precautions, they don't know how to update the software, 1880 01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:31.319 and then the software updates stop after a short period 1881 01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:33.880 of time, so then they become a security vulnerability and 1882 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:36.399 they don't understand how much data it's capturing or what 1883 01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:38.720 they're doing with it. There is no chance I would 1884 01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:42.720 have any device that is constantly listening to me, and 1885 01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:45.960 you know, it's bad enough that your phone is doing this, 1886 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:50.279 you know, and theoretically you can turn these things off, 1887 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.159 right because I know people like, well, my phone, you know, 1888 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:54.880 I use I use theory and other products like that. 1889 01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:57.640 I mean, I get it. I don't use those. Yes, 1890 01:42:57.800 --> 01:42:59.800 on my Apple phone, I have that feature turned off. 1891 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:02.680 Could it still be listening to me all the time. Maybe, 1892 01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:06.279 But I'm not going to buy other third party products 1893 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.600 that I have even less trust and faith in and 1894 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:11.720 let them listen to me and capture like conversations with 1895 01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:14.960 my children and my wife and so forth. It's just crazy. 1896 01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:17.880 And again I understand the allure of these things. The 1897 01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:21.319 people really need to stop and think about the potential 1898 01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:25.479 disasters they're setting themselves up for by you know, Gary, Jeff, 1899 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:27.720 could you be accused of a crime and the police 1900 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:29.760 get a warrant and go back and capture all of 1901 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:32.640 this everything that you've ever said. Could that possibly be 1902 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:34.520 misconstrued and used against. 1903 01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:35.239 You and you end up in jail? 1904 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:38.039 Well, yes it could. While that may sound far fetched, 1905 01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:40.720 why even subject yourself to something like that. 1906 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:44.039 Well, you know, the thing is, I've never ever done 1907 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.800 anything that could be actionable by the police in my 1908 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:47.720 entire life. 1909 01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:50.399 David neither neither. So we're good. 1910 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.119 All right. You're talking about the Internet of things and 1911 01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:57.239 the wearable device that hears everything you say, or a 1912 01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:04.239 ring doorbell. Internet of things intrusions can kill you. There's 1913 01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:06.439 a story that you left me here. Internet of things 1914 01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:11.960 sona Cineloa cartel, one of the most infamous cartels moving 1915 01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:18.479 drugs and people across borders, including ours. The Cineloa cartel 1916 01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:23.199 hacked security cameras to track and kill FBI informants. According 1917 01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:24.920 to US government officials. 1918 01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:29.399 Yeah, now again, you just heard me rant for a 1919 01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:33.119 while on the Internet of Things. Isn't even more potentially 1920 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:35.800 damaging the way it could be used to get to imagine, 1921 01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:41.439 for example, that some enemy of yours had access to 1922 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:43.960 hackers that had the right capabilities. And then again, this 1923 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:46.319 is probably a little far fetch for the average person, 1924 01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:48.680 but in this case, you know, they went out hired 1925 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:51.720 a hacker who then hacked people's devices. The informants that 1926 01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:55.319 they wanted to kill hacked their IoT devices, which unfortunately 1927 01:44:55.359 --> 01:44:58.880 in many cases is trivially easy to do, and we're 1928 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.800 able to identify, they locate these people and kill them. 1929 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:04.880 Could the camera on your house be hacked to know 1930 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.399 when you're there? Yes, it absolutely can. You may recall 1931 01:45:07.880 --> 01:45:10.359 there have been lots of examples of web cameras being 1932 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:12.720 hacked and someone talking to someone's kid, and all kinds 1933 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:16.760 of weird stuff, again well documented. You may recall there 1934 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:18.800 was a story not too long ago about how American 1935 01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:21.279 troops are be attracted. They were using things like fitbits 1936 01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:24.199 to track their fitness and you know, step counting, that 1937 01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:27.199 sort of thing. So I'm not saying, Gary Jefson, we'll 1938 01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:29.239 never get to a place where these Internet of things 1939 01:45:29.319 --> 01:45:33.560 devices won't be secured by design and won't provide value 1940 01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:36.399 that offsets the risk. But again, so much of this 1941 01:45:36.479 --> 01:45:39.359 stuff is basically a privacy and security dumpster fire. The 1942 01:45:39.439 --> 01:45:42.439 incentives are all to the company making them and really 1943 01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:46.840 none to you, and the idea that these devices could 1944 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:49.920 be used to locate you and have you killed. There 1945 01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:52.760 are examples coming out of their Russia Ukraine situation where 1946 01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:55.920 Russia was hacking these types of cameras in Ukraine and 1947 01:45:56.039 --> 01:46:00.359 using them to target sites for attacks. This other is 1948 01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:02.720 just not ready for prime time. It's not focused on 1949 01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:05.840 your privacy and your security, and it's the consumer of 1950 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.680 the device. And that's why I just rant about this 1951 01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:11.399 stuff all the time. It's not that I'm necessarily inherently 1952 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:14.720 against it. It's that the stuff is basically garbage and 1953 01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:19.000 it is a consumer, you have virtually zero protection, especially 1954 01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:22.119 if you're not a nerd like me. So the less 1955 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:23.920 of this stuff you have, the better. 1956 01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:27.880 I agree one hundred percent. And finally, Dave Hatter, what 1957 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:33.079 about this Meta's new hire, their new AI guru, This 1958 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:37.600 twenty four year old kid that Mark Zuckerberg originally offered 1959 01:46:37.640 --> 01:46:40.279 him a job paying him one hundred and twenty five million. 1960 01:46:40.359 --> 01:46:43.439 He said, now, thanks, that's not enough money. This kid 1961 01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:47.199 is making a quarter of a billion dollars for the 1962 01:46:47.279 --> 01:46:49.960 next I guess five years, two hundred and fifty million 1963 01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:54.199 dollars to be the AI guy at Meta. Is this 1964 01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:56.079 a sign of the times and things to come? 1965 01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.520 It seems to be. I mean, clearly it shows you that. 1966 01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:03.159 Let me segue back for a second and make a 1967 01:47:03.239 --> 01:47:07.920 point about so, Meta, the parent company of Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, 1968 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:11.239 and others, is making enormous amounts of money off your data, 1969 01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:14.039 so much so that they can offer two hundred and 1970 01:47:14.119 --> 01:47:16.560 fifty million dollars a quarter of a billion dollars to 1971 01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:18.960 one person for a job. Think about this, per second. 1972 01:47:20.359 --> 01:47:22.199 All of that is coming from your data. Name a 1973 01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:25.279 product that you can buy for Meta. It would be 1974 01:47:25.359 --> 01:47:28.880 hard for the average consumer because they're monetizing your data. 1975 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:32.239 You are not the customer, you are the product. Now, 1976 01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:34.920 I'm not saying that's necessarily bad on its own, that's 1977 01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:37.039 just the way it works. But you can see here 1978 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:39.560 as they're trying to get into this AI race. I mean, 1979 01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:41.840 they have some stuff out there, but they're they have 1980 01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:43.720 never really made it to the top of the heat. 1981 01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:46.520 The main players in the generative AI space anyway, are 1982 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:51.159 are really you know, Open Ai with JATGPT, Microsoft Copilot, 1983 01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:54.479 you got claud you got Perplexity, you got Gemini from Google. 1984 01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:57.640 Metta's got some stuff out there, and you know, clearly 1985 01:47:57.760 --> 01:47:59.880 they're willing to throw big bucks at people to try 1986 01:47:59.920 --> 01:48:03.279 to steal folks to get them, you know, become a 1987 01:48:03.439 --> 01:48:05.840 major player in the game. I think it's a sign 1988 01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:07.640 of the times. But I just want to point out 1989 01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:10.039 that they're able to do that because of all the 1990 01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:13.079 data they're collecting from you from all the quote free 1991 01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:16.439 unquote apps and tools and so forth you're using like 1992 01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:20.079 What's Happen Instagram and Facebook, and they have that kind 1993 01:48:20.119 --> 01:48:22.199 of money to throw around. You know, they're definitely one 1994 01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:24.239 of the big dogs on the text back in general, 1995 01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:27.479 and they've got those kinds of resources. Will this pay 1996 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:29.640 off for them in the AI race? I don't know 1997 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:31.479 all the time will tell I don't know much about 1998 01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:34.760 that particular person, but it's it's wild to imagine. I mean, 1999 01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:37.199 it would be hard for me to turn down a 2000 01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:39.640 two hundred and fifty million dollar offer. If they're listening 2001 01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:41.199 and want to make one, no doubt about it. 2002 01:48:41.239 --> 01:48:44.760 I want to know what that kid knows. Where's mine? Listen? 2003 01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:47.840 I love interrust By, but two hundred and fifty million 2004 01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:49.560 would be hard to say no to if you're listening to. 2005 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:54.239 All Right, Dave Hatter, thank you so much. Always good 2006 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:58.479 I always want, always good, always informative. Dave Hatter with 2007 01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:02.000 us on this Wednesday night. Thanks for tuning in, and 2008 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:07.199 we'll be we'll be here, I guess next Monday night 2009 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.880 there's the baseball game and then the the Snoop Dogg 2010 01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:16.279 performance after the Reds game next Monday night, and in 2011 01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:19.239 that slot afterwards about ten o'clock, we will join you. 2012 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:23.720 Then have a fantastic Thursday. We'll see you