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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's Not Metal, your weekly rock,

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heavy metal, hardcore, punk, everything heavy music podcast. We are

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back once again, back to hopefully slightly more regularly you know,

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scheduled programming. A couple of days later than we normally

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are here, but a bit of a knock on effect

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because last week hours at Bloodstock and did the whole

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review there, and I'm sure that if you've been keeping track,

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you know what's been going on. But today we are

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here getting back on track with the monthly reviews bag

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for the month of August. There are some my god,

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maybe not the largest in like actual size of the bands,

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but like records that are biblical in their story and

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scale and scope and everything that we will explain as

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we get into them. But it is a big old

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time that we have got in store for you, So

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thank you for being here. My name is Peren Haish

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with me, I've got Sam Dignon, I've got Elliot Paisley

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as well. I'm drinking a terrible tasting beverage but it

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will keep me refreshed throughout this show. We had, like

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you know, we've got I think a decent bit of

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sort of live show bits and stuff that I think

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will mostly sort of come back to next time when

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we don't have as packed and agenda. But Elliott, while

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we've got you here, what were you doing last week

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where you like accidentally saw Paul the I know or something.

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You haven't explained this very well to us, so well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of mad luck because I don't

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really go to that many gigs, as I've kind of

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demonstrated by mainly only reviewing festivals and that sort of thing.

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And yet somehow I managed to go to two gigs

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and two nights, which I think has never happened in

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my life. And the first one I hadn't even intended,

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as you've just alluded to, because I'd gone up to

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Leeds for the next gig. But I went up a

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day Onlays catch up with a friend and they said, oh,

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let's try the Prudel Social Club and I said, oh,

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that's the that's the venue I'm going to. And as

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we're walking in, whose name do I see on the marquee?

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Speaker 1: But Paul Deano.

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Speaker 2: I was gleeful, she had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Who it was.

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Speaker 2: And I went in and you know, asked, like Pauliano

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once tonight, has you already been on. It's like, no,

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he's on soon. None of them seem to really know

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who he was either, But I managed to catch a

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few songs by the big Man, and you know, like

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there's things about the Pauliano show that aren't great that

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I don't really know his fault or things he can help,

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you know, like his voice. I don't know how much

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of that's in his control. Now you kind of go

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and have to imagine that you're the Pauliano at the

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Pauliano Show, Like they'll play the Iron Maiden songs and

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you kin'd have to sing them and you know, a

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couple of Guinness deep I was. I was more than

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happy to do. And to be honest, I mean, I've

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never seen Iron Maiden live and this is a setlist

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I would like them to do because it was like

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Rathchal Murders in the Room, Orgue, Remember Tomorrow, Drifter, Fansom

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of the Opera. Interesting, No Iron Maiden.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine why, And.

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Speaker 1: To me it's it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a fun night. But he seemed like he

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was in a bit of a bad mood, which I

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don't know if that's has he got.

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Speaker 1: A lot of because this is his isn't that band

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It's like Paulo's war Horse or something. Was that the

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band in question? But do they do?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's one of those bands where

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if you look at the records in the track list

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there's some like just bizarre stuff where you know, what

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are you doing? Does that factor into the live show

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or is it just hey, remember killers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally just iron made in songs.

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Speaker 1: I think this is.

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Speaker 2: Paul which you know suited me fine, I'm not I'm

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not too big on his solo material since I heard

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literally zero seconds of it. Yeah, I mean he seemed

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kind of pissed off, like he would do a song,

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he would be bad on it, and then he would

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blame the band, which I don't know if that's a

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brilliant musical relationship, but yeah, if you're happy to go

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and accept that, you'll hear great songs kind of badly performed.

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I cannot recommend that.

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Speaker 1: Incredible And as you say, that was sort of a prelude, accidental,

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you know, serendipitous prelude to what you actually going to say,

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which you went see Poison ruin.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean it's I think this is their

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first UK tour and.

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Speaker 1: A show or two.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, or first headline run. I'm pretty sure sure

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they might have done like you say, they might have

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done a show or two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I went back to the exact same venue, disappointed

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that Paulianna wasn't making a second appearance, but happy with

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what I was seeing.

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Speaker 1: Instead.

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Speaker 2: They were touring with mother and I don't know if

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their toy with him. It much have been this one show.

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But Mother Nature and Tormented Imp, who I already liked

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from the band name Mother Nature like good start, kind

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of hardcore punk in the mid wore mold like sort

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of slow sludge your parts, really discordant riffs. They kind

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of they sounded a bit like ceremony around like twenty

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eleven twenty ten if you added a bit of a

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scorn defeat kind of evil to it. So if that

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sounds up your street, and it should be, then I

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recommend checking out. I think they played like fifteen twenty minutes,

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seems to get a pretty good response. Tormented Imp went

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down really well. Like again, like I said, I already

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liked them before I heard a note because they're called

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Tormented Imp and they have this little mascot on their

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T shirts and cassettes, which is just one of my

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favorite graphics I've seen on a new band. And when

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they came out, they stand in the same I don't

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know if this is intentional, probably not. They stand in

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the same information as Chris Barnzer a cannibal corpse, Like

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you watch that footage from the Centuries of Torment thing

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and it's almost like they've picked which member they're going

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to emulate, like that, that's how it seems. And when

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it kicks off, it's kind of first wave of Black

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of like a crusty power trip, Like it's sort of

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a big claim, but it's that sort of thing where

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for Poison Ruin, I suspect you or open to that

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sort of thing. At least it's like like powje because

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I can't imagine someone liking this and liking this sort

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of thing and not loving them. And I've gone back

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and listen to the album and it's really really fucking good.

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So again, if that's the sort of thing you like,

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then check those outs. But the main event Poison Ruin

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last year, I don't think there's an album from twenty

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to twenty three. I've gone back to More Than Harvest,

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which it kind of snuck up to my I think

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the Yearless, and it did that basically within a week,

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and since then, I've gotten into the holdscography and I

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come to learn that they don't really do bad songs,

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and that was kind of comforting, where you go see

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a band, you know, they literally can't play bad music tonight,

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and what I wasn't expecting, I kind of I wondered

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if it was going to be a super shadowy you know, Dungeon,

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Dungeon Master, a Stets or whatever. It's like they've picked

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four members from completely different bands. Because the guard and

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guitar and vocals looks like the spits of Steve Albini

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in nineteen eighty five, and he's got this really commanding presence,

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but then stood next to him center stage, the bass

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player genuinely looks like Tony soprano with a mullet. It's

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like those two things side by side, and it kind of,

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you know, it reflects the kind of crowd they attracts

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because it was like hipsters, skinheads, metal kids, punks. Like

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the variety of shirts you saw I think was probably

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above you know, hardcore punk bands of a similar size.

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non stop. I mean they might have paused for a

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minute or two to do some dungeon synth, which you

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know never gonna say no to. And it was just song, song, song, song, song, song, song,

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first headline tour of the UK, it felt like such

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a power move. I just I think they're one of

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the best bands to merge in the last couple of years.

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honestly think they're putting together a catalog of songs that

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some classic bands would envy. Like you just look at

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the track list that they played, and it's just it's

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just sickening, Like closing on not Today, Not Tomorrow, which

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of like a speed metal Sham sixty nine song, but

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then it closes on this insane Celtic riff, which you

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know it would put drop Kick Murphy's to shame. It's

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such a bad boy way to bow things out like

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if they came back, because they kind of buzz in

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the room afterwards was just something else. I think that's

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always the best measure because people then go come back,

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which I have. I was just oh, I dare I

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say it was better than Baudiana, but in then din't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wicked band. If you don't know Poison Ruin, you

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should definitely check them out if you're into just sort

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of you know, grotty based level punk stuff. Today is

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as I said, the reviews show, and on the docket

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today we have the new albums from Winter, Sun, Nails,

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Zealand Ardor Twin Atlantic, four Year Strong, Lepress, and Nil.

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get through, not only because we have some stuff that's

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happened in the last few days to talk about, but

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on that has happened sort of over the last couple

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that I wanted to, you know, get the room's opinion

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everyone will have seen online but we haven't actually discussed it.

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Last episode, as I said, was my review of Bloodstock Festival,

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and I said at the end of that episode that

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when it came to the announcement of the following year's

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line up, the sort of lion's share of which they

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announced at the festival, I said, rather than just sort

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of me giving my take on it, I would come

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back with these people here and you know, as said,

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sort of get the room's opinion on it. So the

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Bloodstock twenty twenty five lineup, as was announced at this

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year's festival. The three headliners are I think everyone will

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such a big kind of announcement Trivium, machine Head and Goodjira,

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which also came with an announcement featuring a good what

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so there is quite a bit of next year's lineup

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to go on. Conversation will naturally drift to the headliners,

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but there is stuff to highlight sort of below that

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as well. First thing is, obviously, you know, asking, oh,

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is that a good trio of headliners or whatever seems

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like a bit pointless because arguably without dipping back into

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which is of note that there is not one of

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those for the second year running now, because there wasn't

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one of those this year when I went as well.

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a trio of you know, modern metal headliners, whatever you

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could feasibly get for Bloodstock. And I think you've seen

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in the reaction to this announcement exactly what I thought

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would happen, which is that fuck tons of people are

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to the Bloodsork next year, whether they are there you know,

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regulars every single year like myself, and I know many

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people out there this thing will be or people who

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dip their toe into Bloodstock every handfully is whatever people

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for whatever it is. I think it's going to be

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a pretty blockbuster year for them in terms of like

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attendance and ticket sales and stuff like that. Even just

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going from this because it is so like it was

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a power move. Wasn't it particularly engineered to drop all

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three of them in one go like that like they did.

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It was a calculated big move to make next year's

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Speaker 3: I mean you would say those as like your like

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best trio of download second stage or subheadlines you can

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like a heavier end, Yeah, like that, Like you would

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if if download book those as like your second stage

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or your main stage like subheadlines, people would be like

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lose their mind. So blood that's going to go. No,

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these are our headliners. These are our like top bild bands.

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and for me again, like I know some people who,

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depending on how you look at Bloods might find something

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to nitpick. I couldn't think of a better like slam Dunk.

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You're just going to see each night ninety or so

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minutes of the best metal you can see, like with

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these three headliners, particularly if you're talking metal in the

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two from the two thousands onwards, like there are few

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bands and so that kind of of like headliner capacity.

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Speaker 4: Who I would rather see than these three at this stage.

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strongest set of headliners they've had since twenty eighteen, which

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I think that kind of still stands as a benchmark.

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You where it was Judas Priest, Goodua and Nightwish. Where

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for the thing that Bloodstock are offering, I really couldn't

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think of a better three. So it was the first

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time Judas Priest and Goodurer did it. But for them

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moving more into this I say, new territory, They've they've

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been doing it over the last decade or so, for

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them making a move maybe away from eurocentric metal, that

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sort of thing. Like you say, it's hard to think

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of a better three because like Trivium, the goodwill that

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they're having now is as much as they've had since

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their initial you know, lack of a word word descendancy,

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Machine Head returning to festivals and good year of the

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metal band with maybe more eyes on them than anyone

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right now in light of the Olympics. It's it's it's

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an unbelievable hat trick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you say that maybe the

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best Trier headlines whatever I think for me, if I

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look at sort of the last five six years or

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so whatever, twenty twenty two with Bohemo's Merciful Fate and

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Lamb of God for me is like absolutely incredible. But

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there are more niche factors at play with those. This

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is the blockbuster Trier, isn't it. It's exactly that. Yes,

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it's pulling as many people as possible, which kind of

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opens up the you know, the age old thing with

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bloodstock of like, is that even the aim which of

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course from bloodstocks, you know position of like the actual

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organized Yeah, fucking courses, they want to make money and

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they want to sell tickets. Yeah, they to be successful,

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So like, yeah, absolutely, go ahead, And you'd be chuffed

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if you were, you know, one of the bluzzer organizers

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and you put those three and you thought, yeah, fu,

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we can, especially if you put them as they've done

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all upfront and they know they can drop that bomb

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on people. But what this obviously doesn't have is that

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sort of slightly more niche factor that you know, maybe

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other festivals don't quite cater for. And the variety, I

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suppose is what I look at because it is three.

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I mean there is like, you know, to say that Trivia,

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machine Head, and Gageerra all sound the same would be mental.

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And I think particularly if someone like Gajeerra, you kind

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of have to remind yourself, Yeah, they were once a

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death metal band, Like they have come from that kind

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of school. So to say, oh, yeah, they're just like

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Trivium is like a bit a bit wrong headed. But

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it is three you know, mensely popular right now where

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they are mainstream kind of metal bands, and you're pulling

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on those classic pulls, those again more extreme polls, whatever.

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three things that will absolutely pull off those immense fucking shows,

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any one of which might be the sort of steal

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the night, you know, contender on any normal bloodstock. And

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so I looked at that and when like, yeah, that's

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clearly incredible. I am interested in the rest of the

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bill to see what happens there. Thankfully we have a

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fair bit of the rest of the bill, and for example,

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Emperor subheadlining two Trivia, which is cool in that sense

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because it's like, finally, you know, Trivia and Emperor gets

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to play a show together. There's obviously a long standing

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connection there, and I think some of us have wanted

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that to happened for a while, so that's cool. I

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don't know if Lacuna Coil and Lord of the Lost

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are the other subheadliners that they're on that level.

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Speaker 4: Apparently Lord of the Lost aren't. I think the cuon

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O Coil might.

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Speaker 1: Be okay, I mean those two that would slightly dampen

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it a little bit and be like, well, that's not

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it's not the best trio in the world. But yeah,

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looking across the rest of this bill, which for me

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is always kind of what seals the headliner you know question,

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it's how is it supported? And then what kind of

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we can you offering around it? And I should mention

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that again, this was all pounced in the form of

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a you know, a video kind of rollout that played

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I think was right after clutch at you know, the

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blood starts. So all of the three of us here,

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I'm the one who saw this like play out in

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real time, which also meant like one band at a time,

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and you saw the reaction hilariously. The first band they

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decided to lead with was Breed seventy seven, and so

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you've got the entire fucking festival standing around waiting and

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see what happens, and they go, ah, Bloodstock, Breed seventy seven,

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and no one said a fucking word. Not the band

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to lead with, surely, but you know, seeing the other

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reactions obviously, like they left the headlines till the end.

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order that they are, you know, lightly for the day's

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Trivian got a big cheer, machine Head got an enormous

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cheer because, like I said on last week's show, I

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think that they're basically like the Bloodstock band, and then

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Gadjira got a cheer, you know, to equal machine Heads

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absolutely brilliant. But going through in the surprises on it,

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you know again we kind of heard there were rumors

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going around what the three headlines would be, so the

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others were surprise to me and what got the pops

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out of me where Emperor I wasn't anticipating. And the

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Black Dahlia murder as well.

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Speaker 4: Which will be if you know, that's the one would

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would have been the biggest pot for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which for me was being probably gonna be my

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first time seeing the Black Dahlia Murder, you know, coming

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back with Brian singing and everything, so that'd be big.

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But they've also announced, like all of the Sophie stage headliners,

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Me and that Man, Cataclysm, Static X and Obituary and

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some of the slightly wild card choices, Creeper are playing Bloodstock,

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which you know they're on the Sanguinar cycle. It's it's

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basically a heavy metal record most of it. You know,

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it sounds like Ozzy Osbourne and Ghost and bits like that,

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so I it's the record to do it on. But

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it is a bit of a like, you know, do

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they have that you know following there?

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Speaker 3: I mean they're playing well below their station. You look

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at they're bigger than over here now, bigger than pretty

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much every band above them. By the headliners, it's.

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Speaker 1: Fair, yeah, they are.

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Speaker 4: They're like they're doing the they're the ones the other

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one's playing Wembley.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right that they are doing the let's

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sneak in under the door here approach a bloodstop, which

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is probably the right thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what Bloodok tends to do with a

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lot of these bands where they pull from outside the well,

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they'll have them play below their station to say do

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you fit here? And if you do, then they will,

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you know, I mean look at Hate Breed, you look

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at Skindred, things like that.

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Speaker 4: They works their way up the bill. So yeah, I

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think yeah, And then I think it's a solid book.

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Speaker 1: And the other like real like jump out exciting part

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for me. Three Inches of Blood who on the Sophie stage.

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I think they're like, they're not headlined. They're doing like

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the second from the top on the Sophie stage, which

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is a really annoying slot that means you're right before

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the headliner of the main stage. So it's slightly annoying

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in that regard. But regardless, three Inches of Blood play

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in the UK show. We've said that we wanted that

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to happen so great. There were other things on this

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line up. I've mentioned a couple of names that, like

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you know, are not much to celebrate, I think, but overall,

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clearly as a first gambit, the three headliners are fucking

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massive and undeniably a like slam dunk victory of a

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booking in terms of how they might support it with

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the rest of bill and how they might offer some

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of that slightly more bloodsnot diversity. I think you can

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at least see the beginnings of it. So yeah, pretty

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undeniably already one of the festival events next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is for me as like a first announcement.

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This is the most the most kind of swayed by

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Bloods I've been in year one.

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Speaker 1: Was the last time you went to Bloodstock twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: I've not been since then, so I've been tempted a

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few times, but there's always been kind of like someone

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that's stolen me away with this is the one I've

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gone like, ah, man, those headliners, never seen Emperor, Creeper,

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Black Dahlia Murder, a bittery headloging the second stage after Gadjira,

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probably like yeah, fucking yeah, that'll be a party there.

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Speaker 4: There's some really cool stuff on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've not been to the last two Bloodstocks

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in any capacity. End of a Day twenty twenty two,

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did the weekend in twenty twenty one, and did a

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few weekends before that. By based on the strengthens, headline

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is I will be there next year, and that doesn't

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even get to Emperor, who you know, maybe my favorite

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show ever was seeing Emperor and Bloodstock in twenty fourteen,

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and I'm kind of I mean, I don't that we

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know yet, but i'd be curious to see if that's

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not going to be another album set or if it's

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going to end up being a I don't think it will.

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Speaker 1: Maybe because I've seen Emperor since they stopped doing anthems

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and stuff and they have just started doing like general catalogs.

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I mean, they open with a Prometheus track the last

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time I saw them, so I would predict just hey,

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it's Emperor.

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Speaker 4: Just leave them at home this time, is all I

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ask Emperor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which I would like to assume what happened. But yeah, anyway,

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I think what you guys are both saying, which is like,

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you're not necessarily like every year Bloodtock attendees, but you

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are looking like you might be wanting to get to

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this one. So many people will be thinking the same

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going off of that. So that's the you know, the

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kind of general vibe off of that something that happened

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or announced while I was at Bloodstock and I got

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back from that weekend and I have found about this,

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you know, several days after the facts, and I went,

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why the fuck is no one like posted this in

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the discord or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Said this has passed me by as well completely, and

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I was in the news and I was like, hang on,

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what the fun I've been listening.

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Speaker 1: To this like the last week. But I got back

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from Bloodstock and I was like, how has no one

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posted this? Basically, we've got a new band on our

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hands that has been launched by several members of Twitching Tongues.

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There's a real God's sake, you know, there's a real

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carousel of like positions those guys do because you've got

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Colin Young here, who is the frontman of Twitching Tongues.

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He's playing guitar. Alex who is the bassist in Twitching

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Tongues is the front man and guitarist of this band.

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I think the drummer of Twitching Tongues is like the

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bassist in this band. It all they musical chairs. But

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the banding question is called Holy Blade and they released

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a five track EP, you know, debut in the whole

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band that is Sam.

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Speaker 3: So in a worship He's just the might hit play

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and yeah, that comes spooking trop But then there was

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like this like bassline coming and I was like, I

472
00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:55,160
recognize what that sounds like, and then there's like I

473
00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:57,400
was like, ah, I just want to cuddle this ep.

474
00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:58,599
I just want to get to know it and be

475
00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,079
friends with it.

476
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,559
Speaker 4: It I always the most like this is the most I've.

477
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 3: Just kind of hit play on some and immediately been

478
00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:10,160
just swept up and like this is everything like say

479
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,000
shameless in its nice fire worship, but who's doing this

480
00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:15,279
sound at the moment, Like, Yeah, the last band's kind

481
00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:16,759
of really been doing it was Creeper and they've kind

482
00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:18,960
of moved away from it now, So I think it's

483
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,640
a little.

484
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's got that sort of nineties AFI

485
00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,519
as like the sort of the foundation and the blueprint,

486
00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:27,200
but obviously it's got a little bit more sort of

487
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,880
you know, contemporary hardcore there as well. Then obviously what

488
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,440
you know nineties AFI had or what bands like Creeper,

489
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,240
who ever kind of you know brought brought with them.

490
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:39,359
It is very like I meant, you've got no e'squ

491
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,119
Sam Again. I was at a festival when this dropped

492
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,240
and I came back and the media.

493
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: Like just just was off my head. And I've been

494
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:47,680
so cup of other things like working with that that

495
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:49,000
I just it just slipped fine, and then when I

496
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,079
super as well, so I was like, how the fuck

497
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,640
did I miss this one? God damn it.

498
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the pitch here like I I feel

499
00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:57,920
like I should like this even more than I do,

500
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,319
which makes me like a little impatient because I more

501
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,720
from this, But I really like it. It's really good.

502
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,240
It's grown on me with every listen. The songs are

503
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:08,119
really like, you know, getting their way in there. But

504
00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,640
even like the intro track has maybe the best melody

505
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,640
on the Holy People that if we're not budger together,

506
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,160
were alone. It's kind of annoying that it's like only there.

507
00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:19,559
But the last track as well, the self title like

508
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,119
Holy Blade track with Holy Blue, it's so good.

509
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like when you got calling in some of the

510
00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,279
backing vocal as well, where he's like some of that,

511
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,599
it just sounds huge. It's it's like it was all

512
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:32,079
those all like the like basslines and guitar melodies that

513
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,319
they sprinkle over it. That just reminded me of yeah, yeah,

514
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,000
all that. I was like, ah man, this is just

515
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:39,599
so art of drowning Black Ceil's and the sunset, Like

516
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,799
it's given me that, but you're out with a kind

517
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,359
of modern hardcore kind of punk flavor, and I'm just like,

518
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,119
does Colin Young need another band?

519
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: You know, like.

520
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,559
Speaker 3: Like who knows, you know, he's he's been like you know,

521
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,480
samu Owen in that regard, where like he's got a

522
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,240
million million projects going on, but this has been where

523
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,200
I've gone like, I want more of this. Yeah, the

524
00:23:58,279 --> 00:23:59,240
main focus at the moment.

525
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know Alec again, who's the base in

526
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,279
Twitching Tongue who fronts this band. I think he might

527
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:05,720
be one of sort of the driving forces of this.

528
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:08,200
And it's definitely like, yeah, some guy who's just sort

529
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,079
of there in the background of one of these other bands,

530
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:11,440
and it's like, oh yeah, yeah, brilliant, you can do

531
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,839
this as well. Really good, Elliott. Do you check this

532
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,759
out at all? Yeah?

533
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: I gave you a fairly cursory listen. I mean it's

534
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,640
not really in my wheelhouse as much. You know, I'm

535
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,880
not Twitching Tons Fang Twitching Tongues fan, and I'm quite

536
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,440
casual on a five. But it did just put a

537
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,920
smile on my face. That's fine, Like the songs are

538
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,319
really strong, and I'll be honest, I was kind of

539
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,359
glad to have someone else doing the vocals, but I

540
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,880
think it makes more sense with this tapestry anyway.

541
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

542
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:43,319
Speaker 2: I mean, like I say, it's not aimed at me

543
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,680
in the same way, but it's still pretty good.

544
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one of those new bands that turns.

545
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,480
I was like, right, yes, I want more of this please,

546
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,000
I'll take another EP tomorrow, thank you. I'll probably have

547
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,480
to wait a little bit longer than that, but yeah,

548
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,160
if you're looking out for a new bands from you know, established,

549
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,640
you know quality than this Holy Blade record, if it

550
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,000
did pass by the way it did us here is

551
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,039
really worth checking out. We also had announcement of a

552
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,599
new Devin Townsend record. It's called Power Nerd. It's out

553
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,319
in October October twenty fifth, and there's a title track

554
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,880
has been released from it, featuring Cheney Jaster. Although in

555
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,359
a very limited capacity, he seems to come in a

556
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,200
sort of shout a few words and like oh right, yeah.

557
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,599
But the Devin Townsend record seemingly a lot more sort

558
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,240
of like quick turnaround, urgency, immediacy than some of his

559
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,440
more recent stuff. He wrote the music for it in

560
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,759
eleven days out of a conscious sort of like I

561
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,680
normally take forever on these records, let's kind of turn

562
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,880
one out and the track does have some kind of

563
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,839
sort of zippy, almost like Devin Townsend doing a punk

564
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,079
thing sort of energy, so that will be coming. As

565
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,680
said in October, of course, always interested in what Devin

566
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,599
Townsend is doing. More new music that maybe does not

567
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,359
land in the same kind of way is that Motley

568
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,720
Crue have announced that they are releasing an EP call Canceled,

569
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,880
which is somehow not the funniest thing about this particular announcement.

570
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,400
That's that's the second line what they've led off with.

571
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,720
Presumably you know that original track they released a while

572
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,480
ago that was bad that we spoke about probably be

573
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:15,960
on there. But to go with this announcement of the

574
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,599
EP they've released, as you always do to accompany your

575
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:24,039
you know, announcement of your new record, is they've released

576
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,279
a cover of the Beastie Boys Fight for Your Right.

577
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,359
What do you think of this, oh.

578
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,559
Speaker 3: Elliot? When you message a group saying like, no, matter

579
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:36,960
how bad you think this is, it's worse, I was like, no,

580
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,599
it can't possibly be worse than my mental idea of

581
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,559
what he crew in twenty twenty four covering bes was no, no, no,

582
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,079
you're fucking right could like this is so bad? Like

583
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,559
I was just like, how have you done like a

584
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,519
song like this and taken all of the attitude out

585
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,119
of it? It's like the plight is like you've got

586
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:56,640
a fight.

587
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: It makes the beastie boy you sound like powerhouse singers.

588
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,640
I don't know how that's.

589
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: So bad? Like again, like I was like, thank god

590
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,680
the Blackout are no longer like the worst offenders when

591
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,599
it comes to covering this.

592
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: Song, I've not I don't remember if I heard that

593
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,200
particular cover they least a whole bunch, didn't they. I'm

594
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,599
still gonna assume that's pretty bad. But they compared to

595
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,839
this God like, it sounds like I hate Motley Crue.

596
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: Kick Start your Heart worth this? Kick Start your Heart

597
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,279
worth this?

598
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: As someone who loves Motley Crue, as the one here

599
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680
who loves Motley Crue, I hate Motley Crue. They are

600
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,960
I mean, because you know, I feel like they have

601
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,680
been there for a long time because we all knew

602
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
it because the live shows and everything. But you know,

603
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,279
the last record they released album wise was you know,

604
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,240
Saints of Los Angeles, which has recently established is Eliot's favorite.

605
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,839
So like you know that they weren't necessarily one of

606
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,000
those like Green Day whatever type bands in terms of,

607
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,559
you know, bands who were once great who are so

608
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,039
far that beyond that to the point of like even

609
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,279
comprehending them releasing something good feels insane. But now that

610
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,279
they are releasing music again, I think it's definitely time

611
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,920
to put Motley Crue in that particular category. We have

612
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,519
a wild piece of news here that feels like, again,

613
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:19,960
it's sort of riffing off of something that we were

614
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,799
spoken about recently, because when we did our Sepulteurer special,

615
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,200
we did dedicate a bit of time to talking about,

616
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,559
you know, the one sort of side project from one

617
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,599
of the members of Sepultaier that happened in that era,

618
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:34,160
which was of course nail Bomb Mats Cavalierra, his band

619
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,400
with Alex Newport from Fudge Tunnel, who made a really

620
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,440
fucking great industrial metal record that all three of us

621
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,960
were like, Wow, this is like one of the best

622
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,039
sort of you know, super groups, if you wanted to

623
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,319
call it that maybe ever produced in metal. And we

624
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,599
did speak a little bit about how there was one

625
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,720
point when Soulfly i think it was, went out performing

626
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,160
that record and we were like we'd kind of missed

627
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,519
this somehow, but would have been fun to see. Out

628
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,200
of the blue. Nail Bomb seem to have officially reunited,

629
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680
although not with you know, the lineup, without its new

630
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,759
point involved. He's still, you know, taking a step away

631
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,240
from everything, doesn't really seem to want to be involved

632
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,599
in stuff, but actually will like build as nail Bomb

633
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:16,799
the band are apparently back, featuring lots of members of

634
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:20,400
Pig Destroyer randomly Travis and Alex from from pic Destroyer,

635
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,440
Adam Jarvis the drummer. He's gonna fill out the members

636
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000
with anyone. You might as well take him from fucking

637
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,799
Pig Destroyer. But nail Bomb are back. That's mad, isn't it.

638
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,839
Speaker 3: You know there was a fear when we we we

639
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,640
do a special or we do something and it would

640
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,279
like summon activity, Like have we brought that back by

641
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480
like you know somehow doing that and Meilbomb coming back

642
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,079
weeks later, I mean, really fucking cool. I don't know

643
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,720
how permanent this Nilbomb.

644
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,559
Speaker 1: Thing is gonna be, but yeah, will they make new music?

645
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:48,640
Will they just play the you know the album again?

646
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: I mean, if they play the album again, if they

647
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,440
announced a tour for that in the UK.

648
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: I'll be there like that, love to see.

649
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh can you imagine an album set a Damnation? Oh

650
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,240
what yes?

651
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: Please?

652
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: And it is weird because again, you know, it is

653
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,880
a nail Bomb reformation, but it's weird because it's only

654
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,119
one of the two people.

655
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, they'd already done the album thing with soul Fly,

656
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,039
So what makes this so different to make it actually

657
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,160
worthy of being builders Nails this time?

658
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: That's why I think there might be no music, something

659
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,640
new to add to the nail Bomb legacy.

660
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: And if you're going to get people to fill out

661
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,720
a lineup, it should just be the lawyer to get

662
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,400
people from Pig Destroyer, like when Mick Mars left. Sorry

663
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:31,759
you don't make the rules.

664
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Aggrifroad, but those bees alter the States of

665
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,200
America is in fact less hellish to listen to that.

666
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:39,880
Whatever this Motley Crue you mean? But yeah, nail Bomb

667
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,559
back fucking mad. We also have worm Rocked have unveiled

668
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:49,359
their new lineup after you know, essentially the lineup that

669
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,519
recorded the Hiss album, which came out two years ago

670
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,079
and was so celebrated, you know, kind of disintegrated. We

671
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,960
saw them touring for a little bit with Gabrielle dupko

672
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,359
On filling in a live vocals and then at the

673
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,640
end of that tour VJs the drummer who played all

674
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,599
along that departed the band. But Wormrot have come out now,

675
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,839
basically announcing that the lineup that recorded their earlier records

676
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,279
peaking with you know, maybe their sort of first sort

677
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,799
of classic album, the Dirge Record, which is the record

678
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:17,720
that I got into worm on.

679
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: That's that's why I discovered them when James maybe listens

680
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,279
to that.

681
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah, that lineup is back in action,

682
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,440
which basically means that Arif the vocalist who did record

683
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,880
Hiss and then left and didn't tour it live, but

684
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,640
he seems to be back now, which is quite surprising,

685
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,559
you know, only out a bit of a sort of

686
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,799
c J mcmarin and via a murder situation without hopefully

687
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,440
the whole thing ended. Maybe a bad comparison, but you

688
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,160
know what I'm getting at. But then also the drummer

689
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:47,480
Vitri who Elliott, you uh reminded me something I'd forgotten about,

690
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
which is the really bizarre circumstances in which he initially

691
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,640
left the band like ten years ago. Yeah, I mean

692
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,000
for a little grind called band from Singapore, Worm of

693
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,920
a surprising amount of law. They've got a lot of history.

694
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: It's not just to go ye.

695
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,599
Speaker 2: But we essentially still don't know what's happened. But the

696
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,200
drummer just went missing and they said we can't contact him.

697
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,680
If anyone knows where he is, we hope he's okay.

698
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,759
Speaker 1: He's not into some like serious shit, but he's still

699
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,319
alive and he's back in the band, which is lovely news.

700
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,559
This is how we find out. But yeah, well again,

701
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,240
so the vocalist who you know left the band. Seems

702
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,039
like they're not going to record anything in his absence,

703
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,680
which is nice. And then again the drummer who went missing.

704
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200
But the dirge era ane Ale Worm not back in

705
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,839
action and they've said that there will probably be new

706
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,480
music coming next year. So good stuff going on in

707
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,279
the worm Rot camp. Golder has left Demi borg Gear.

708
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,799
Golder is the bold member of Dimi Borge who always

709
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:47,960
looked some kind of like ice Goblin. He was in

710
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,680
Demi Borga for twenty five years and has announced that

711
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,680
hes played his last show and left that band and

712
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,960
maybe this is his reasoning for doing so whatever, But

713
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,880
he's also announced that in the process, his band that

714
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,640
he used to kind of prioritize before you know, Demus

715
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,279
sort of took over everything was his old symphonic black

716
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,920
metal band, Old Man's Child, quite a cult you know,

717
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:08,880
sort of beloved in sort of scenes of the underground

718
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,839
type band, and he said that, you know, Old Man's

719
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,920
Child is going to be getting back into gear having

720
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,880
left Demi Borgea. So that's quite cool if you're into

721
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,440
your sort of symphonic black metal stuff. Moving on to

722
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,559
live music news, particularly over here in the UK, we

723
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,319
have quite a few notable announcements going on and the first,

724
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,839
perhaps the biggest one, is that spirit Box have announced

725
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,160
that they are going to be playing a one off

726
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:33,359
UK headline date at Alexandra Palace in London on February

727
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,799
eighty thirteenth, which is the you know, the route that

728
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,839
all of these metalcore bands try and do, don't they

729
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,319
They they all when they get big enough they do

730
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,519
the one of Alexandra Palace day. And I would say

731
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,039
that this is like the most notably quick any band

732
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:48,480
has gone a.

733
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,359
Speaker 3: Quick dissension of them absolutely like unfortunately Snybe.

734
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say the reason I can't

735
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,720
say that is that sleep Token did that insane jump

736
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,279
and you know, did all their sellout shows and everything,

737
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,200
but still in the ground scheme of things, pretty rapid

738
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,079
escalation where I've still not seen spirit Box because they've

739
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,200
we worked out we're talking about in the discord. They've

740
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,480
played about twelve shows or something in the UK, the

741
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,960
vast majority of which have been in London. But you know,

742
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,000
there they are again, and they and they and they've

743
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,880
popped up doing this enormous show with Periphery and Straight

744
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,199
from the Path can be suported form that as well,

745
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,440
which if you want to see spirit Box in the

746
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,119
UK next year, you're going to have to go to

747
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,599
this one apparently. But yeah, pretty quick rise to get

748
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:27,159
to that point.

749
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:29,159
Speaker 3: I mean, consume the last time they'd London they did

750
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,599
two sold up nights at the Roundhouse, which is like

751
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,599
about half the capacity of Vallei Palais.

752
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 4: On a tour, like it makes sense that they would

753
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:37,679
be rising.

754
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,079
Speaker 3: I mean, I I'm sorry they've gone straight here, not

755
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,119
like bricks, not something, but yeah, if the momentums carrying

756
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,239
on the way, it is like I can't see it.

757
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,559
I can't see how they wouldn't like at least sell

758
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,840
it out or sell it very well. Yeah, and speaking

759
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,679
with that supporting line.

760
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Up, Yeah, so just a little a notable, you know,

761
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:56,760
sort of you know, rung on that particular ladder. Neck

762
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,480
Deep have also a UK tour for twenty twenty five, which,

763
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:01,239
if you are to sort of pop punk and you know,

764
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,679
melodic punk stuff, seems like it'll be one of the

765
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,599
sort of events of next year because Netdeck are bringing

766
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,960
along with them The Wonder Years and One Step Closer. Sam.

767
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,599
As a general neck Deep, you know, dislike it, although

768
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:14,400
you were fairly kind on the new album.

769
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: I've softened on Neckdeep generally. Yeah, just trying to come

770
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,400
into London.

771
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,559
Speaker 3: The one tour I would actually go see one It's

772
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,719
not coming to London, Wow, Like I was like, because

773
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,599
I love that One Step Closer record, one of one

774
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,280
of my favorite bands, Like, oh hell yeah, I'll go

775
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,199
watch neck Deep. Five Eyes not coming to London, your bastards.

776
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one tour, Well, there you go, it's going

777
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,679
you know, quite a few other places. Yeah, so there

778
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,280
you go. Something that is happening in London is Run

779
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,719
for Cover Records are doing a showcase in London which

780
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,079
features a citizen playing the youth album in full, which

781
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,440
is in a bit of a glovely classic in that

782
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:52,039
particular scene. So that is happening. Road Burn have led

783
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:54,519
with their kind of twenty twenty five announcement of a

784
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,400
handful of bands, and the sort of the leading band

785
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,239
in the announcement is the reunited ky Lesser, who I

786
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,000
feel like I knew in my brain somewhere that they

787
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,400
hadn't been around for a bit. But the last time

788
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,400
Kyleer were a band was twenty fifteen, so like nine

789
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,280
years ten years by the time this happens, Caylester have

790
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,960
been off the scene, which feels a little bit crazy.

791
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,199
I was always like that sort of you know that,

792
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,079
you know, Georgian sludge scene whatever, Kylester are always on

793
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,360
the bands. I was like, sort of, you know, kind

794
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,280
of lukewarmed very casual on as opposed to being like

795
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,760
a big fan like a baroness or someone. But if

796
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,679
you die hard into that scene, then ky Lester were

797
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,480
a big part of it. Elliot, any sort of interest

798
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,320
in a reunited ky Lester, Yeah, I mean I.

799
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: Really like Kylason for some reason, even though it didn't

800
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,119
seem like it was a messy breakup or Hiatis.

801
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,199
Speaker 1: Or whatever was.

802
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: I just never gave the idea of them reuniting a

803
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,599
second thought. And yeah, I mean, for me, what's really

804
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:50,400
great about this is the announcement has made me go

805
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,440
back to Kyle Lesson, which, again twenty fifteen sounds about right.

806
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,679
I've barely listened to them since then, but went back

807
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:00,119
to Spiral Shadow and static tensions, and yeah, you know,

808
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,599
I agree that they're not as dizzying and brilliant as

809
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880
the baroness Alms. At that time, they were a fucking

810
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,000
strong band. And again, talking about something like damnation, this

811
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,880
is almost an ideal kind of thing for them to

812
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,280
get I think, sure.

813
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we'd also had some sad news that

814
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,639
Ulva's keyboardist and long time kind of you know, uh,

815
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,840
synthesizer programming whatever, that side of the band, the keyboardist

816
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:32,679
tore Elwizaka if that's their correct pronunciation there seemingly quite

817
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,320
suddenly passed away and Alva, you know, have been that

818
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,639
particular role in that band is very important because basically

819
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,480
since the late nineties, that's kind of you know, they've

820
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,159
changed sounds so many times, but that's always been a

821
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,000
hugely prominent side of them where I think you'd say

822
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,440
they're probably an electronic band for more of their career

823
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,800
than they were a metal band, you know, And if

824
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,039
you've you know, never listened to records like Perdition City

825
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,960
from the early two thousands, if you've never listened to

826
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:03,639
the more recent stuff when they went kind of in

827
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,239
a synthpop direction with records like Flowers of Evil, which

828
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,559
I fucking love that record so much. Again, a lot

829
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,239
of great work put in by by Toure onto that

830
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920
whole stream of record one of the most idiosyncredit bands,

831
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,480
and again that's a very significant role in that band.

832
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,159
And also they've been in the midst of releasing They

833
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,920
were sort of doing the thing that something's band to do,

834
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,880
where they were releasing a series of singles and going

835
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,159
eventually this might make up an album, but we're not

836
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:29,079
committing to one. But you know, they they've released about

837
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:30,679
five or six songs or something over the past sort

838
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,719
of six months or so. And so I hope that

839
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,880
you know, whatever work or whatever they might be doing,

840
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920
can you know, be finished or kind of brought together

841
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,639
in a way after this, because it does seem like

842
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:45,000
a very sudden thing. So so rest in peace right,

843
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,000
Let's move on to a little annoucement. I suppose of

844
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:50,920
what we are doing over on the T and M

845
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Patreon this week, because we are bringing back the album club,

846
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,599
which I think was Motley Crue. The last one we did,

847
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,119
it went a little bit all over some while we

848
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,400
had other stuff going on, the Enormal, Separateury Special and

849
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,239
stuff that we did took over. But we have got

850
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,639
time next week after this show to throw in a

851
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,119
few album clubs, and so I will tell you what

852
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,599
they are right here. First off, we are going to

853
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:18,119
be doing an album that is turning forty years old.

854
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:20,440
The Banning Question are celebrating it and so on, so

855
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,159
we will too. One of the greatest heavy metal records

856
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,840
of all time. Also maya controversy and all sorts of

857
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,960
crazy shit. I have, of course talking about the debut

858
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,280
album Wasp from the band Wasp A Home of crazy

859
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,960
People and maniacs and all sorts going on there. Absolutely wonderful.

860
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:41,719
We're going to be talking about one of the great

861
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,400
punk rock records of the two thousands, with the Distillers

862
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,159
sing sing death House. We are going to be talking

863
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:53,000
about maybe sort of slightly forgotten or you know, you know,

864
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,440
flashing the pan kind of indie rock record, I suppose

865
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,320
Japandroids and celebration rock. And we are going to be

866
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,559
talking about one of the most boundary pushing, free spirited

867
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:11,119
but also due to that quite controversial black metal records

868
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,480
of the last fifteen to twenty years, Wattan's the Wild

869
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,239
Hunt Records. So that is coming to patron dot com slash.

870
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,239
That's not next week. Let us get on with what

871
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,400
we are really here to do. We've had enough show already,

872
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,679
so we have to talk about some albums and we

873
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,280
are going to start with if you can believe it.

874
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,280
I turned it to David Lynch there, but if you

875
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,320
can believe it, our first review today is Winter sun

876
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:44,679
Time two, not one, but two, the second one, the

877
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,400
second part. It exists, It's finished, It's about to be

878
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,840
available for everyone to listen. We have heard it. We

879
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,280
have audio proof detected with our ears that it exists.

880
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,360
I you know, I thought about maybe one of these

881
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,119
other albums would be lead review, because I don't think

882
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,320
Witness are the biggest band here by any means. But

883
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:06,679
who the fuck am I kidding? There is no story

884
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,159
with any of these albums, making it more of an

885
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,599
event than Time To. This is one of the most

886
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,800
daunted in how to approach it album reviews. I think

887
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,960
I've ever had hit guys, what the fuck Time To

888
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,039
is here?

889
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: I think it helps out. We obviously did the Time

890
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,320
One album Club to kind of like pre face this

891
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,599
and get a lot of the law out there.

892
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,559
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna have to go over it and bite size.

893
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,280
It's gonna take a minute. I'm sorry, but of course

894
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,400
are you you you will do that.

895
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: But in terms of like the big discussion, we have

896
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,320
done that, so like we don't need to go through

897
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,239
all of that again because fuck me, Like he's just

898
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,119
in saying about I suppose we can go through some

899
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,639
of the more ridiculous, more recent parts of it. Maybe,

900
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,000
but yeah, fucking hell, Time Too. It actually does exist.

901
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:53,440
And I'm not even a Winter su fan, and I'm like,

902
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,840
fucking hell, this album exists.

903
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: I having received the promo, I'm still not convinced Israel until.

904
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: I say it in that shot.

905
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: If they delay in this last week, somehow we are

906
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:05,960
not over the finish line yet.

907
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: Like it's I'm not sure I've ever heard something with

908
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,039
this kind of context. You know, this seems like fear

909
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,800
Inoculum and Chinese Democracy or whatever. But even you look

910
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,480
at Fear Inoculum, we don't really know how long those

911
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,880
songs were floating around for before they were made public.

912
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,920
For all we know, the songs were only a year

913
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,599
old by the time to release them.

914
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,159
Speaker 1: There is a.

915
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: Comparable version of this album that existed in two thousand

916
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,519
and seven, maybe, do you know what I mean? They've

917
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,760
only just been considered ready for public consumption, And even

918
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,960
without the hilarious nature of the story that itself is

919
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,119
pretty daunting. It's it's a symphonic melodic death metal band

920
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:48,719
from Finland, commanding the same level of curiosity and grandeur

921
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,039
as something like Chinese Democracy. It's insane.

922
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have an album to get into here,

923
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:56,320
but and you know, to tell the whole story of

924
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,760
its construction would be genuinely observed. As Sam said, we

925
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,920
did go over it at length in our album club

926
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,719
that we did earlier this year on the first Part

927
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,039
Time One, which was released in twenty twelve, one of

928
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,840
the funniest album clubs I think we've done, because the

929
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,079
story is just so mental. But to cut to the chase,

930
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,159
this is the most like absurd gestation period of a

931
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,760
musical project that I have ever personally experienced as a fan,

932
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,079
because even though technically it's not as long a wait

933
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,079
for like albums from the band because they've done stuff,

934
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,400
but like the actual story of how this was put together,

935
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,960
it puts the Tool album to shame. I think it

936
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,639
is funnier and more mental even than Chinese Democracy. I've

937
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,679
never felt like the existence of an album was as

938
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,800
much of a ridiculous alien concepts as this one, which

939
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,920
is why it's so surreal that we've heard it and

940
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,880
we're about to review it. It's definitely the funniest what

941
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,519
the fuck story about one of these mythical albums, isn't it?

942
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,639
Like The Weight and Stuff are other albums people just

943
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:52,840
sort of, you know, mean about, but the actual story

944
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,559
of how this happened is fucking bananas. Winter Sun is,

945
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,079
as Elliott says, the symphonic slash folk slash melodic death

946
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,559
slash power metal project primarily spearheaded by one Yari main

947
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,280
part the potted history. Just to get us this point,

948
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,800
if you are like totally new to WinCE and you

949
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,840
don't know what we're talking about. They released their debut

950
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,320
album in two thousand and four, It's an instant classic

951
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,880
of the genre. Nowadays it somehow seems very quaint and

952
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,239
very small scale, but it is a master work and

953
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,639
immediately had people chomping at the bit for a second

954
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,920
Winness Sun album. The album Time began work in two

955
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960
thousand and six. For a timeline comparison here, that is

956
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,400
the year that ten thousand Days by Tool was released. Initially,

957
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,000
it's intended to be a single album. The drum tracks

958
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,119
for both Time albums, when it was conceived as one album,

959
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,559
were recorded in two thousand and seven. And we know

960
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,800
that because you may remember a news headline that we

961
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,519
lost our mind over at the start of this year

962
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,599
where the drummer Kaiharto was shocked to hear that Time

963
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:50,280
two was completed because he had not recorded any more

964
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,559
drums since two thousand and seven. If that statement is accurate,

965
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,920
the drums on this album that we are reviewing now

966
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,960
were recorded the year that Michael Bay's first Transformers film

967
00:44:59,079 --> 00:44:59,519
was released.

968
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: Oh but I was a completely different person.

969
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: There are song titles on this album that were initially

970
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,039
posted on Yari's conceived track list for Time that appeared

971
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,519
back in two thousand and six. Two thousand and seven

972
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,800
delays begin heavily based to some degree in their literally

973
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,039
not being enough ram on Yari's studio computer to get

974
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:25,239
the hundreds of tracks of audio to work, which launched

975
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:30,239
years and years of technical upgrades and crowdfunding and all

976
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,800
the insane shit that has made Yari from Winteressor a

977
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,440
complete cartoon character an object of ayre for much of

978
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,719
the metal community. Eventually, the album balloons to such a

979
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,119
degree that is split into two, and Time one is

980
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,119
released in twenty twelve, the year again, just for the

981
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,119
timeline events comparison, that's the year that Jesse Leach rejoined

982
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:53,400
Killswitch Engage, and we are told at the time that

983
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,840
Time two would shortly follow the next year in twenty thirteen.

984
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,239
It is two thousand and two, twenty four the gestation

985
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,440
of Time two. The second half of it has been

986
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,480
for longer and funnier and more ridiculous to get your

987
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,039
head around then the initial eight year weight people had

988
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,599
for the first Time part. And there actually was a

989
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,559
Winter Sun album that came out like a good seven

990
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,280
years ago now in itself the Forest Seasons, but the

991
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,880
overhanging shadow of whatever the fuck Time two would be

992
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,480
and when it would come out and inherently the albums

993
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,400
are much more sort of batchet over the top proposition

994
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,559
than what The Forest Seasons was completely has dominated the

995
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,000
narrative for almost the entire time In the Winter Sun

996
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:34,199
has been a band, and they've been a band of

997
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,880
over two decades. Even the way throughout much of the

998
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,760
last decade, Yari has taken to social media for regular

999
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,119
updates on the completion of the five or so albums

1000
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,079
he is apparently working on simultaneously, and there were extended

1001
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,800
periods of like a couple years where time to progress

1002
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,599
stalled at like seventy percent complete or something, while he

1003
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,119
went off and started some other album that we won't

1004
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:03,840
hear for another day. He is not normal, and Yari

1005
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,639
has today basically lost almost all goodwill that people might

1006
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,880
have once extended to him. He has, in the eyes

1007
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,119
of many people, taken the piss so much to the

1008
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:16,199
point that he has frequently labeled a scammer just for

1009
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,159
what the process of creating this album has included over

1010
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,920
the years. So you know, I don't know how the

1011
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,360
fuck that disdain for him will register in the reception

1012
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,199
of this album now it's actually out there. But as

1013
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,840
we went in on Deep on our album Club that

1014
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,840
We Did. Time One is one of the most batshit, preposterous, maximalist,

1015
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,159
overwhelming experiences ever conceived in heavy metal. I regularly describe

1016
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,119
it as the most epic in the true sense of

1017
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,400
the word metal album ever made. If you've never heard

1018
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,199
the song Suns of Winter and Stars, I would genuinely

1019
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,239
say you have not heard the full capacity of what

1020
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,119
heavy metal has to offer. It's like a rite of

1021
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,519
passage hearing that song. There has never been an album

1022
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,320
that sounded like that one through all of the preposterous

1023
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,360
means of its construction. That's why The Forest Season, which

1024
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,320
I think is a really good album on its own merits,

1025
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,920
it just didn't do because people were trained to expect

1026
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,559
what the time albums had trained them to expect, and

1027
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,119
so time to a full twelve years after the first

1028
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,199
part was released, there's about nine Transformers films now, aren't

1029
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,119
there almost two whole decades since some of the music

1030
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:21,800
that has made its way on for this was conceived and,

1031
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,440
in the case of some elements like the drums, apparently

1032
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:28,239
literally recorded. I barely know how to review this album

1033
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,719
because am I reviewing this just as a new release

1034
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,360
without any of that baggage. Am I reviewing this as

1035
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,639
the second half of an overall project, the first half

1036
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:39,880
of which I heard twelve years ago. Have you guys

1037
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,920
wrapped your head around how to approach that at all?

1038
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, obviously, being of the most casual

1039
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,440
Wins fan who heard Time One a couple of years ago,

1040
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:51,320
really liked it and never bothered to listen to more,

1041
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,239
it's been kind of using me to go, you know what,

1042
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,320
this is the second part to that album I heard

1043
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,840
a couple of years ago that came out a couple

1044
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,280
of years before that. Let's go, let's just let's just

1045
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,880
say this as time to and I can detach the

1046
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,679
baggage and I can laugh at the baggage.

1047
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: It's so far off in a way, I'm glad it

1048
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,239
happened because it's just so funny and so memorable and

1049
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,039
absurd a taga to.

1050
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:18,159
Speaker 3: Me, It's a hilarious backstory that doesn't actually have much

1051
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,719
impact because I don't have as much of a personal attachment,

1052
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,840
So I actually found this kind of just was like, Okay,

1053
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,719
how is this as an album?

1054
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,519
Speaker 2: I kind of find it hard to get my head

1055
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,519
around the context even now, even knowing the story because

1056
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,280
depending on the month that Time One came out in

1057
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,119
twenty twelve, that album might be closer to my birth

1058
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:39,719
than this album.

1059
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,159
Speaker 3: To that.

1060
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: More than half my life has been spent waiting, anticipating,

1061
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,840
and being aware of the existence of time too, do

1062
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,119
you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of impossible

1063
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:56,719
to wrap your head around that. And also another one

1064
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,079
of the things that I think is valuable about criticism

1065
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,280
is that not let to say that a band will

1066
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,440
hear it, but you know, if someone hears criticism of

1067
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,000
their work, they can go, oh, well, next time, maybe

1068
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,800
I'll apply that. There's no point thinking in those terms

1069
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,880
when it comes to Winter Sun, because A it's not

1070
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,880
going to make a difference to what Yari wants to do,

1071
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,199
and B you won't know if it has made a

1072
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,599
difference for another twenty years. So taking this as it is,

1073
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,519
you almost have to see it as something removed from

1074
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,760
the idea of a of a career arc or even

1075
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,800
a future for the band, or it's passed the kind

1076
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,400
of framing for an album that you require to understand

1077
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,519
before you can start criticizing. It is so hard to

1078
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:42,119
nail down.

1079
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, straight up I like this album

1080
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:50,519
an awful lot. I might even love it. I have

1081
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,519
gained a lot of pleasure from it in my relatively

1082
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,039
sure you know, a couple of weeks whatever short time

1083
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:59,480
with it so far. But I don't know how to

1084
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,039
weigh it against all that expectation from Time One, because

1085
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,920
I heard that album when I was fifteen and this

1086
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:07,800
one when I'm twenty seven. All of my years of

1087
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,800
experiences with Time one and the songs of it, I

1088
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,119
have not had the chance to replicate them with this album,

1089
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,719
and in terms of the age that it hits me

1090
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,039
to some degree, it probably never will to the same degree.

1091
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,159
It's a new challenge for me how to even talk

1092
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,119
about that album in this sense. Like I said, my

1093
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,360
overriding feeling I suppose I would try to convey through

1094
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,480
the means of this review is that I really like

1095
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:30,679
this album. The only level headed and comprehensible way I

1096
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,760
have to review this album, I think, is to talk

1097
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,840
about it, and that in that sense the way that

1098
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,800
we review any number of albums on the show that

1099
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,920
don't have the baggage that this one does. But as

1100
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:42,639
to whether this I don't know like completes the whole

1101
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,239
that had existed after Time one, like I'm afraid my

1102
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,960
only answer there right now is fuck nos.

1103
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that's fair. I think this is

1104
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,960
gonna because you have that back, you have your own

1105
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,199
backstorm in history with this out with time as a project.

1106
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: I've been in the trenches with Winter Sun waiting for

1107
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,679
Time one since Nick Klegg was from actually sworn in

1108
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,880
as the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. And

1109
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,760
I don't know how to quantify that experience with this album.

1110
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,239
That is completely gonna alter your experience with it. And

1111
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,239
as as you say, Elliott, you were a child, came

1112
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,559
out like that's that's insane to me. And again for me,

1113
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:20,079
I was just.

1114
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,599
Speaker 3: Kind of like this has been like I could I

1115
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,679
even again when I heard Time one must have been

1116
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,440
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, something like that, like it's been

1117
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:33,440
a long time since like that, because again that was like,

1118
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,079
so why is good time one when there is no

1119
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,800
time to? And then learning why there is no time

1120
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,039
to was a fun part of the whole experience of

1121
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,199
discovering Winter Sun. But for me, I kind of just

1122
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,920
was like, Okay, this is part two of a double album.

1123
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,199
It's taken long terms come, but how does it serve

1124
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,480
as parts of a double album?

1125
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,039
Speaker 4: Let's fucking go right.

1126
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for me kind of look at it

1127
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,519
with a critical lens. I kind of had to compare

1128
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,599
to the Foreigt Seasons in a way, even tho that's

1129
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:03,599
a completely different style of projects, but the way that

1130
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,559
that album came out, and because it was removed from

1131
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,480
the Time one saga, I could kind of rationalize it

1132
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,079
as a Winter Sun record, and I tried to apply

1133
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:16,880
the same lens to this as much as I could.

1134
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,440
And having applied that and not viewing it as I mean,

1135
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,119
it's hard because it is called Time too, do you

1136
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,320
know what I mean? It's very hard to not see

1137
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,599
it in the context of the history and everything. But

1138
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,320
I already know I like this a lot more than

1139
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,480
the Forest Seasons, even if it is too early to

1140
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:38,079
stack up against certainly Time one, and you know, the

1141
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:42,360
self titled this album has brought me so much joy

1142
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,519
the last couple of weeks, So I'm, you know, I say,

1143
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,760
way too early to start talking about its position in

1144
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,559
their legacy or anything like that. All I know is

1145
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:55,599
Time two makes me happy.

1146
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,599
Speaker 1: It makes me really happy to hear you say that,

1147
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:00,119
because I didn't. I don't know peoplere gonna be to

1148
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,320
you know, like time again, that that level of expectation

1149
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,639
or whatever. How the fuck you know? Even this album,

1150
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,079
like I said, the Forest Seasons I think is a

1151
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,599
very good album, but it just crumpled under the light

1152
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,960
of like what everyone was waiting for. And would that

1153
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,760
happened to this as well? I don't know. It makes

1154
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,719
me again, it like settles me hearing you say that

1155
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,880
you think this album is great, And I will say,

1156
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,000
if you compare this to The Forest Seasons, you can

1157
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:24,960
I think you can definitely hear in this some of

1158
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:26,800
the things that, like you know, weren't part of the

1159
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,280
question on that that do make this. You know, this

1160
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,199
is closer to Time One than it is you know,

1161
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,599
the Forest Seasons they are, and you can hear those

1162
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:37,239
things that make it part of the same kind of

1163
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,199
you know series and whole. But even just like you know,

1164
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,199
putting this on and hearing the intro track, it was

1165
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,679
to be expected that it would have a track like

1166
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,239
that because you know, if Time t was to mirror

1167
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,559
Time One, then it would probably have like an extensive,

1168
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,719
several minute long sort of film score style orchestral intro

1169
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,800
leading into a big like proper opener, but putting it

1170
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,519
on and hearing like a different one, a new one

1171
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,360
to the one that exists on Time one, was a

1172
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,400
really strange experience. You're like, oh, it's kind of familiar,

1173
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,320
but you know, unfamiliar at the same time.

1174
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: So that was my main thing answer. I was like, okay, no.

1175
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,480
It immediately pulled me in in the same way that

1176
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,920
intro on Time one did, but it was I was like, oh,

1177
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,559
this is this is different though you like you're not

1178
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,440
listening to someone. This is again I'd have the familiarity

1179
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,840
that you again have with that, but I could still

1180
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,519
feel like this is the same but different. But again

1181
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:26,199
it's got that gorgeous kind of like very traditional instrumentation,

1182
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,760
super cinematic, super lash pulls you're right in now. I

1183
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,159
was like, I feel like they're gonna if this is

1184
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:34,599
what they're going for, then I can almost predict where

1185
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,559
a lot of the turn Sam's gonna make if it's

1186
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,400
gonna mirror Time One. But I was gonna like interant

1187
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,079
see how much it does and how much it feels

1188
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:44,559
like a different project. I guess because of how long

1189
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:44,920
it took.

1190
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the funny note on that intro is

1191
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,719
an extra part of the time story that sometimes gets

1192
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,639
lost because even though it's like it's right there at

1193
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,400
the center of the sound of them, just because of

1194
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,239
all the contact is specifically the time albums, unlike the

1195
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,280
other winters and albums, are really weeby albums, and they

1196
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,119
do this thing that the other winters and albums don't

1197
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,480
where they have this like specifically you know, sort of

1198
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:08,079
Japanese you know, sort of or Chinese, you know, Eastern

1199
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,719
kind of theme in the music where this Finnish man

1200
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,639
indulges all of his love of Asian music.

1201
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,199
Speaker 3: And I mean you're gonna look at like the album

1202
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,280
covers as well, with the tree all that, Like even.

1203
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: Like the font on the album cover, which is like

1204
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,039
it's like the I main send duties on font or

1205
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,440
so it's like that feels like it should have been

1206
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:27,159
made fifteen years ago. You know, it's like it's lost

1207
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,599
in time somewhere. But hearing that and that element coming

1208
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,239
back almost like transported me back in time twelve years

1209
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,719
to like a more naive version of me or something.

1210
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 4: Playing your World of Warcraft expansion.

1211
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like hearing that, well quite video game is sounding

1212
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,519
like it's sort of like, you know, sort of synthetic

1213
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,079
U who kind of sound that's on this record that

1214
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,440
feels deliberately video game inspired. But I was like, oh

1215
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,199
fucking he, holy shit, that that's back. And just the

1216
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,360
way my ears, you know, pricked up at various points

1217
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,440
out this record of like, oh that's a pretty you know,

1218
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:02,000
motif or whatever, that's going to come back like that,

1219
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:04,320
just like I really like taking in and trying to

1220
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,199
savor like every bit of time too. It's very a fresh,

1221
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,320
interesting listening experience that is totally unlike my process of

1222
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,360
going into listening to any other album we've reviewed.

1223
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: What I think is also called about that intro track

1224
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:19,880
is that it also, as well as setting up some

1225
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,440
motifs that are going to return to you later and

1226
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:25,159
re establishing the East Asian flair that the first part had,

1227
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,320
there's bits in it which they kind of tell you

1228
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,679
you're in the hands of a madman, because these really

1229
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,199
zappy kind of laser sounds since coming, which seems so

1230
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:40,599
incongruous with the wind chimes, and I don't know what

1231
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:43,159
they called with that sort of pleasant taptue that's woven underneath,

1232
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,000
and it sounds like a mad idea, but Yari, being

1233
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:50,760
a madman, is able to pull it off. And by

1234
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,360
the time I listened to it the third or fourth time,

1235
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,840
I was completely adjusted to it. But the first time

1236
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,559
you hear it, you go, ah, this is not a

1237
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,800
sort of level headed person who's just gonna, you know,

1238
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,760
follow the rule book to create a particular atmosphere. It's

1239
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,239
reassuring you that no, no, no, Yauri is still mad.

1240
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean in a way when albums like this

1241
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:13,920
turn up, it's kind of a release when they turn up,

1242
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,239
and it's funny you say, he's still mad, But like

1243
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,800
it also makes sense, just in the sense that it

1244
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,840
hasn't been overegged and crumpled into some indecipherable mess over

1245
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,480
the decades of you know, creation for it, considering he

1246
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:29,239
was also making five albums at once apparently, And you know,

1247
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,960
this album in the canon of all the arms we

1248
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,519
review this year is you know, surely of a you know,

1249
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,079
master craftsman kind of quality, and you know, you get

1250
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,360
out of the way. I don't think there is a

1251
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,159
song here that comes close to being as good as

1252
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,559
Sons of Winter and Stars, which shouldn't be a major

1253
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:44,519
criticism because that's like saying there's no song as good

1254
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:46,840
as Master of Puppets or Halla by Thy Name, But

1255
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,280
when it's explicitly the second half of this, I don't know.

1256
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,519
Maybe that's the fact. I don't know, I feel like

1257
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:53,599
i'd i'd be capping my enjoyment of this album. If

1258
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:55,840
that was like the bar, then it must clear, you know.

1259
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: So that was my thing Initially when The Way a

1260
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,679
Fire k and I was like, this is this feels

1261
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:03,480
like this is this album Sons of Winter and Stars.

1262
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:05,880
And then when I kind of got landed in it

1263
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,639
that I was like, oh, that chorus isn't coming, is

1264
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:11,880
it right? Okay, recalibrate yeah, And then on repeat listens,

1265
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,639
I've come to absolutely think The Way of Fire is

1266
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,000
fucking outstanding, is one of the best metal songs of

1267
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,559
the year. But it just it took me a moment

1268
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:21,760
to kind of go, yeah, no, you're not getting one

1269
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,079
of the greatest choruses of all time coming back in mine,

1270
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,039
Like just have you have to just you have to

1271
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,519
accept that, Yeah, because the way.

1272
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: The opening track, you know, goes into the opening sort

1273
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,039
of song on a time record has been established to

1274
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,679
be a thing, and you know, how do you echo

1275
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,280
that moment? When the first track on Time One goes

1276
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,760
into Sons of Winter Stars, which is one of the

1277
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,719
craziest moments ever. But when the way a Fire hit,

1278
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:49,679
I did have like, my it's not Sons of Winter

1279
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Stars in the same way, but my feelings took over

1280
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,760
and my body sort of fell out from under me.

1281
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,920
It's not as like, absurdly, what the fuck is going on?

1282
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:00,559
How can my body take this? As like one of

1283
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,039
the weaker starts is when it hits. But the power

1284
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:06,159
and the force behind the melody that hits you there,

1285
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:11,800
it is euphoric and dazzling, and I really do value

1286
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,559
that moment, Oh absolutely.

1287
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 3: I think it's still this incredible. I think that song

1288
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,960
is amazing when the way it just blasts in the

1289
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,679
first couple of minutes of it, the amount of shit

1290
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:22,880
that goes on in like the first minutes alone, of

1291
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,920
all the vocals screaming.

1292
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: All the music, everything, it is like, again, it's so

1293
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,239
hard to process it all.

1294
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: I need to don't that song five six, seven, eight

1295
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,599
more times to really get all the things that are

1296
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:34,960
going on it because it's like, what twelve minutes and

1297
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,360
just so much insane shit. It was just that like

1298
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,159
and again there is a great vocal on that kind

1299
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:43,280
of the main question. Thing is incredible. It's sort of

1300
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,239
thing that you'd be like, that is amazing. That just

1301
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,599
all the praise, but it just it took click on first,

1302
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,360
Liss and trying to just like accept the context of

1303
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,800
it's not gonna be that magic moment that is.

1304
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,079
Speaker 4: Just However, time I hear it just gives me chills.

1305
01:00:58,159 --> 01:00:59,679
It didn't quite hit me in that same way.

1306
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: And it's but after a couple of listens, I'm starting

1307
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,280
to get similar kind of exhilaration. Every time that intro

1308
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,400
finishes and that blast hits, I'm just like, we're off.

1309
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,920
We're going into the like time sphere where yeah, all

1310
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,159
of this insane shit happening.

1311
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: Because if you've not heard Wintersune before, particularly the Time records,

1312
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:21,760
I've described him before as like extreme symphonic metal, not

1313
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,079
in a normal extreme metal sense, but just in like

1314
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,079
the maximalism and the intensity of how like orchestrally arranged

1315
01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:30,920
metal is delivered, and the scope of them. It is

1316
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,800
the most like physically stirring, skyscraping shit and the way

1317
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,400
a fire I think, by any anyone's standards hits that.

1318
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,119
And you mentioned the chorus that is in there the

1319
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:40,920
vocal line. Then he picks up when he starts singing

1320
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,880
the main riff melody with the fire the Hardest One,

1321
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:49,800
so rule so much. Yeah, I think this is we're

1322
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:50,840
kind of touching on it now.

1323
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,039
Speaker 2: But Winter Sun a band that combine a few different styles,

1324
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:56,719
I'm not really all that keen on, Like, I don't

1325
01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:59,199
really like symphonic metal, melow death. I like the really

1326
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:01,079
great stuff, but I don't have a lot of time

1327
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,239
for it. Power mel same kind of story. And yet

1328
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,800
the way they combine those things, maybe it's because they're

1329
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:08,239
the other ones.

1330
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: Who do it quite like this.

1331
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:14,119
Speaker 2: I find it just intrinsically euphoric. And when this song

1332
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:15,719
takes off, you know, you're right.

1333
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: It's not as.

1334
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: Quite as dazzling as Sun to Winter and Stars. But

1335
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,280
that's one of the few examples in this genre that

1336
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,480
for me better is it because when this lifts and

1337
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:28,599
it feels to you being launched into space. Bands have

1338
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,599
had a lot of time to try and catch up

1339
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,639
on what Winter Sun we're doing on time one, and

1340
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,400
no one has. Yeah, so it's not like, oh, we've

1341
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,639
had twelve years of bands kind of approximating the same thing.

1342
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:41,079
And then winter Son has come back and you know,

1343
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:43,559
delivering a slightly lesser version of it. It's like no

1344
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,400
one's come close. So to even have a silver medal

1345
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:50,039
to that sensation, it takes some doing.

1346
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fairness, you know, there's actually four full

1347
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:55,840
songs here rather than the three on the last record,

1348
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,119
so there is more music than on Time one, which

1349
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,159
is nice after all that time, isn't it. But the way,

1350
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,400
you know, part of what makes a such a kind

1351
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,599
of master songwriter piss takery maybe in the process of

1352
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,000
doing it is you know, you will hear melodies that

1353
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,440
show up at the three minute mark, and then the

1354
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,360
six minute mark and the nine minute mark, and they

1355
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,400
hit with increasing magnitude for how your brain becomes kind

1356
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,119
of tuned to them. And yet the second to second

1357
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:22,519
insanity and moments of what can be crammed in there

1358
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:26,239
around that is bananas. There's like a few second moment

1359
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,800
of harpsichord blast in the middle of the way of Fire,

1360
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,480
which is for a few seconds it dials the clock

1361
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,719
back to me to like the early two thousands pound

1362
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:35,239
metal scene of Rhapsody and all that stuff, and it

1363
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,800
just sort of like it cuts through to some part.

1364
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,519
I mean it's like, oh yeah, brilliant. So that yeah,

1365
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:43,519
that first track really it It gave me that winter

1366
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,679
sun feeling, which is all I could have asked for.

1367
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,559
Really after all that Time one with the Shadows, that's

1368
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:50,119
clearly your sort of you know, if we continue this

1369
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,719
Time One comparison, the Land of Snow and Sorrow is

1370
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,159
kind of analogue where it's stripped back in tempo just

1371
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,679
to be like a really beautiful doomy ballad type song,

1372
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,320
maximum melancholy, but with all of that symphonic weight and

1373
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,599
wip and stuff added to it, does that very well.

1374
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,239
The guitar lead that comes into the start before any

1375
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,079
vocals or anything is like the drama of how a

1376
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:15,000
guitar can enter a song is another factor. It's like, man,

1377
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:18,280
you guys, just do everything extra, don't.

1378
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,679
Speaker 3: When that sort of solo comes in not even a

1379
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,280
minute into one of the Shadows, And you're right that

1380
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,039
there is like just dramas the way to describe it.

1381
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,840
Everything from like just the sort of the big doomy

1382
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,840
guitar ords ringing out to the log of guitar leads.

1383
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,719
There is so much like sorrow to them. But you're

1384
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,559
right in the most epic, dramatic way, imaginable way, like

1385
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,559
there's no there's nothing about Winton that's like a shrinking violet.

1386
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:44,679
Everything is dialed up to the max the entire time,

1387
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:48,599
even when they are being quiet. It is maximalist.

1388
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there's a moment in that really encapsulates that,

1389
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,960
which again we spoke about Time one and the vocal

1390
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:57,079
performances and how they are easily the thing that if

1391
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:00,280
you are not one hundred percent fully brought in, they

1392
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,920
will sound mental. In that song, he goes Caress Me

1393
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,000
one more time and it's the most like holy shit,

1394
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:10,039
what like fucking power metal yarling have we got going

1395
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:10,480
on here?

1396
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if we made the same

1397
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,599
comparison in the album Club that Yari to me really

1398
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:21,639
is like Cawthorn thing. Yeah, on the Viking Metal Bathroom records,

1399
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:25,360
where he's not necessarily the best singer, And it's kind

1400
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,320
of funny that for someone who's such a perfectionist, he

1401
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,760
still insists on being the singer of his band. But

1402
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:31,639
it adds to the charm.

1403
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: Like if they got.

1404
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,079
Speaker 2: Someone like a Floor Jansen, someone who's classically trained has

1405
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:40,840
the pipes for it, it wouldn't have that kind of

1406
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,920
glint in the eye that Yari gives it. And before

1407
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,360
we're saying about how maximalist this band is, particularly this

1408
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,800
set of albums, you know, there's moments where you you're

1409
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,800
assured you're not in the hands of some moron who

1410
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,119
just wants everything to be completely dialed up all the

1411
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:56,719
time just for the sake of it. Because the way

1412
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,360
everything drops out for the solo, that's a considered move

1413
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,079
that makes the song best, and it makes it all

1414
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:05,280
the more exciting when the strings, horns, keys and choirs

1415
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,760
come crashing back in and you know, again if it's

1416
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,320
a reflection on the time one record, just going from

1417
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,679
that all over the place, explosive epic on the way

1418
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:18,880
of fire and setling into something a bit more linear again,

1419
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,880
it's that sort of songwriting master class that, even if

1420
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,159
it's not the most obvious thing about Winter Sun, it's

1421
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:27,079
the reason you go back to the records.

1422
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because it's almost a dichotomy where there

1423
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,159
are songs where you go, why has it taking you

1424
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,239
twelve years to do that? That's just a very well arranged, sad,

1425
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,280
slow song, But it does need reinforcing how song centric

1426
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,679
these albums are because for all of the nuttiness and

1427
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,480
the billions of audio tracks that break YAI's hard drive

1428
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,920
or whatever, they do a tremendous job of putting the

1429
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,400
song at the forefront and one with the shadows is

1430
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:55,480
like it's impressive for the strength of the song, and

1431
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:57,440
then all of the extra stuff kind of compliments that.

1432
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,679
And again on just the vocal that it's a band

1433
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:02,679
that you can't do by halves. You know that the

1434
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,239
music is so absurd in high drama that to have

1435
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,400
a vocalist do anything different wouldn't do. But there are

1436
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,719
just really mental moments no.

1437
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,679
Speaker 3: So like you know, the song focusing is I think

1438
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:14,559
why I can really go with these these win Some

1439
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:17,480
records in particular because they are again they are epic

1440
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,280
like massive compositions that go that like most of songs,

1441
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,239
there are over ten minutes, like there's like the two

1442
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:28,440
short tracks and then everything else is big, but they

1443
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,920
are still like there is all about like always moving

1444
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,840
the song forward, having sort of memorable vocal hooks or

1445
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,400
just like storyte with the songs. It is all about

1446
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:41,079
like the songs standing up by themselves as well as

1447
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:43,840
part of this grandaption that's a good way. I think

1448
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,920
I can really go along with all winter Sundo.

1449
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:48,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other moment on this that really kind of

1450
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,159
lit me up on first listens, and when I was

1451
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:52,800
getting to grips with like, okay, what are the songs

1452
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,480
gonna be? Ominous Clouds into Storm, which ominous Clouds is

1453
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:01,760
like a full on like Steve I fucking Joe Satriana whatever,

1454
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,400
like guitar instrumental. And I'm not one hundred percent sure

1455
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,360
why that's there. It's it's the kind of thing you describe,

1456
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,480
but it just sounds so wanky, having like two and

1457
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,199
a half minutes of that on the record, and it

1458
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,519
is kind of funny that it's there. But you know,

1459
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:17,720
in the context of these it's all about kind of

1460
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,760
they give you those moments to compose yourself and then

1461
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,960
bring in the next track for maximum impact. But when

1462
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:25,880
Storm starts moving in like perfectly title, because it is

1463
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,199
that sense of like the clouds rippling overhead in the

1464
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,119
air changes and you can see them coming in in

1465
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,920
the distance, and I, you know, I was getting like

1466
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,600
actual tingles in my body as that like moves over

1467
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,960
the horizon. The little it's a bit like the intro

1468
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:40,359
track on ascendancy before rain, like running a little bit

1469
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,119
the pianos and guitar lines and stuff, and then the

1470
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:47,560
heavens fucking open and it is like the darkest maybe

1471
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,159
most sort of like you know, dying of the Light

1472
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,720
part of the overall Time saga.

1473
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 3: And there you go.

1474
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,520
Speaker 1: Ah, there are all those audio tracks that broke his computer,

1475
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,560
you know, like the fucking the violin runs and shit

1476
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,800
through that song. The way that that song uses these

1477
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,119
like again those quite traditional sort of neoclassical inspired power

1478
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:08,119
metal guitar lines, which if you have any history for

1479
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:09,880
laking this kind of music, you will have an affinity

1480
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,680
for those kind of tricks. But the way Winnes's under

1481
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,720
it incorporated into this like souped up personically upgraded hole

1482
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,880
and they sound just like newly fucking expressive and desperate.

1483
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,520
I feel like in that song like I am standing

1484
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,960
like knee deep in water that is pouring down from

1485
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,319
above me. It's so expressive and again a word that's

1486
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,439
generally far over you that Winter's stun Up really are

1487
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,479
one of the bands aiming for it. So cinematic.

1488
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the running water is that the sound of

1489
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,319
that of his swimming pool for this sauna.

1490
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: Yeah about a sw something. Yeah, that's a good shower,

1491
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,439
it is, but no, you're that's storm and Ominous Clouds

1492
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,000
is kind of like the entry to it hugely cinematic.

1493
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:54,520
It is so vast and again you are like you

1494
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,720
can feel, like I said this, the clouds coming over you,

1495
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,920
the heavens opening up, and all that drummy. You've got

1496
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,840
all these big choral blasts.

1497
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:05,039
Speaker 1: Like guitar the year maybe probably, and that is ridiculous.

1498
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:09,039
Speaker 3: That's like it's so heavy and so intense and chaotic,

1499
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:12,479
but there is like just an amazing focus at the

1500
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,479
same time to kind of just like create this world

1501
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,000
building and tell this story. It's like it is the

1502
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:18,720
kind of the work of a mad genius.

1503
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,039
Speaker 2: Like I think, again comparing these two records and not

1504
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,920
to half the halves here, but I think the first

1505
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,279
three songs on Time really stand out to me as

1506
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:31,119
a run, particularly the first two. That's what springs to

1507
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,840
mind when I think of Time one with this one

1508
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,800
Ominous Clouds to the end I think is basically perfect.

1509
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:41,199
And I think you were saying about not knowing why

1510
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:44,159
Omnus Clouds was there. I kind of agree because I'm

1511
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:45,960
not sure it creates the image of a storm coming

1512
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,000
because it starts to sound expressive. He just can't help

1513
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,319
but sweet pick which he just has to show off.

1514
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,880
But honestly, like the sound of the guitar, I don't

1515
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,960
think I've ever heard a guitar sound like that because

1516
01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:01,239
you put the headphones on and I don't know how

1517
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:04,079
they recorded it. It feels like your ear is between

1518
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,640
the strings and the pickups. Like the level of fidelity

1519
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,760
is almost like ASMR levels. And again, I don't even

1520
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,079
know if that's the nicest sounding way to play the guitar,

1521
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,079
but it it kind of makes sense in the context

1522
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:23,039
of the record. And then when storm comes in, this

1523
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:27,239
is like Gabba level insistent for about six minutes, like

1524
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:29,279
it's got one gallop and it's just sticking to it.

1525
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,439
It doesn't do the typical thing of a fast winter

1526
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,159
sun song and throw you back and forth. It almost

1527
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:40,319
has a craftwork level hypnotist quality where you're three minutes

1528
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:41,840
in and you don't know how long it's been going

1529
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,079
because new ideas are flashing in and disappearing again, and

1530
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:48,319
it's all going at the same tempo. And then that,

1531
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,760
like you said, maybe guitar solo of the Year with

1532
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,560
that big van Elmstein over a kind of swaying funeral march.

1533
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,399
I get like where does where does that idea come from?

1534
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: And then.

1535
01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 2: Never wants to short change you. There's still about three

1536
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,439
minutes of being in Japan left at the song, like

1537
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:09,159
it's it's an insane.

1538
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: Sam You're gonna get so much listening out of this

1539
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,359
when you're over there literally the time.

1540
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, like this will be it when I'm just wondering

1541
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:15,560
around like a shrine or something.

1542
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: I just have time like enjoying the vibes.

1543
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Silver Leaves to close, which is again

1544
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,960
an extra track than what was on Time one, which

1545
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,079
I guess, you know, if this is the closing part,

1546
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:28,840
it has to have a different kind of closer, bring

1547
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,119
things around, sort of sum them up a bit. It's

1548
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:34,720
really warming that song because you know, again interesting youth,

1549
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,239
that sort of synthetic instrumental sound, but that main melody,

1550
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:40,239
it develops that for like almost three minutes or something,

1551
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,520
and then the guitars eventually hit him with it, and

1552
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:48,079
that is such an uplifting, assuring, like credits roll type moment.

1553
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 3: Silver Leaves is like, initially the easiest song for me

1554
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,520
to wrap my head around. Because it does kind of

1555
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,600
just move along quinte nically, not throwing everyone at once.

1556
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,760
It progresses at a fairly steady pace. And so then

1557
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,239
when when you get those guitars coming in were like

1558
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,640
the about three minutes and when the metal like comes

1559
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,039
back round, it is bombastic but like and full on,

1560
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:11,439
but it is just a little bit more like I

1561
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:12,920
don't honest say grounding, because I don't think you can

1562
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,680
call anything abut this album grounded, but compared to you

1563
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,199
know how, just like relentless and full on songs like

1564
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:20,720
Storm and the way the Fire are, it is just

1565
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,359
a kind of a nice way to sort of see

1566
01:13:22,359 --> 01:13:24,920
you through to the end in like epic cinematic fashion.

1567
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: Again, I feel like I'm in one of those like

1568
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,800
pink cherry blossom trees for just about thirteen minutes over

1569
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,479
the course that song.

1570
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: I think it might be my favorite song on Time too,

1571
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:39,239
which I'll be like when I saw the Running Time,

1572
01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:44,439
I thought wouldna have another kaleidoscopic explosion of really crazy

1573
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,880
symphonic power, mellow death or whatever, But it's it's a

1574
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,439
thirteen minute ballad. I mean, it's if you get rid

1575
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,359
of the more being in Japan at the end.

1576
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,239
Speaker 1: But I love how Mental Witness on records sound. When

1577
01:13:57,239 --> 01:13:59,359
you describe it to people who haven't heard it, it's like, what,

1578
01:13:59,520 --> 01:13:59,960
what do you mean?

1579
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 3: Why are they good? I mean, I said its most

1580
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,960
show forward song, and then you go, yeah, it's a

1581
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,000
thirty minute ballad that also still goes absolutely mending for

1582
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:08,840
the last couple of minutes.

1583
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 4: But it's like, was grand crescenda I'm like, yeah, but like.

1584
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: By Winter Sun sort of standards, this is quite like

1585
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:18,319
grounded and settled for good at least six minutes of

1586
01:14:18,359 --> 01:14:18,960
its runtime.

1587
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, it's like it's their trail

1588
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,920
of broken hearts. It's like there go At a big, sweeping,

1589
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:30,960
kind of populous metal song, and that has always been

1590
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,279
maybe a feature in Winter Sun that you kind of

1591
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:37,079
have to dig through or accept the maximalism aspects to

1592
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,520
see them. That sort of just great songwriting at the

1593
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,119
heart of it. But it's also it's kind of refreshing

1594
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,680
here how it doesn't really vary on the theme, Like

1595
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,239
you get choirs here and there and the occasional shriek

1596
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:51,680
in the background, but it's committed to the power ballad thing.

1597
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:53,960
And it's because they've written a melody that is so

1598
01:14:54,880 --> 01:15:00,640
sweeping and so invigorating. There's really nothing you could add

1599
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,560
to it to heighten the emotional stakes, if that makes sense.

1600
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,000
I think, particularly closing out this saga, there'll be people who,

1601
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,640
you know, people have been in the trenches longer than us,

1602
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,239
and this is them basically at the end of a

1603
01:15:13,319 --> 01:15:17,079
sixteen year movie of their life. This is the credits

1604
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:17,600
rolling on that.

1605
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that moment where it is like, if

1606
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,159
only I can understand my dream. That's so emo and

1607
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:25,359
so fucking extra ridiculous.

1608
01:15:27,279 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: Again, so musical theater all over it with his vocal delivery,

1609
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,439
which again is some of the things I can go like,

1610
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,680
I do quite like wor a bit of that, you know.

1611
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: But when it's going and you know you can feel

1612
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,800
the book closing, I just started thinking like, hey, let's

1613
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,720
forget about the delays that the saunas. It's all forgiven.

1614
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,720
We're fine, we made it in the end. It Maybe

1615
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,000
it's the fact it's the closing track that puts it

1616
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,239
as being my favorite. Maybe if this was re sequence,

1617
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:55,640
I wouldn't feel that way, But every time this came

1618
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,600
back in, it just we've said it. It's the end

1619
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,119
of a movie like it just you can feel the

1620
01:16:02,199 --> 01:16:05,840
credits rolling, and I find it impossible not skip swept

1621
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:06,199
up in that.

1622
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: He's so silly. He's just such a ridiculous guy, and

1623
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,520
he has engineered a situation where, to some degree, judging

1624
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,800
the album will be almost impossible for people based on

1625
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,479
his own ludicrousness and what we've done to get here.

1626
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:21,960
But I put it on, and you're right, I can't

1627
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,119
deny it. I respond to it, and yeah, so it

1628
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:27,000
might sound weird us like, I don't know if this

1629
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:29,119
matches up to Time One right now, because it's so

1630
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:32,039
difficult to untangle from that album I have in my

1631
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:34,640
head and my many years of experiences of it. But

1632
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,520
I'm really enjoying Time to and I'm getting to grips

1633
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,760
with it in a way that hopefully, maybe one day

1634
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,640
I can put the two albums on back to back

1635
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,560
and kind of appreciate them both as you know, something

1636
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,119
that I am deeply ingrained in all the way through

1637
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,560
right now. Obviously one half has a major head start.

1638
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Does this album live up to all of those years

1639
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,479
of like hair tearing anticipation, I don't know, as Mama's ance,

1640
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,560
And maybe it depends on how much stock you put

1641
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,920
into those years and what come out the other side,

1642
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,319
I don't know, but I do know that no one

1643
01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:06,800
else does that, and no other band's make records that

1644
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,079
sound like this, Like you said earlier, in the twelve

1645
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:11,039
years since Time one, there hasn't been, you know, a

1646
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:15,960
acceptable stand in for something like that, that level of like,

1647
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:17,800
whatever the fuck it is. He spent so many years

1648
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,359
doing the crafting of the arc of the album, et cetera,

1649
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,239
how each song informs the next, you know. I think

1650
01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:27,279
to some degree it will always feel slightly absurd that

1651
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:28,920
I can go, yeah, I've heard Time too, and I

1652
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,359
don't know if what the imagination conjured when we didn't

1653
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,760
have it is precisely this album. But I can say

1654
01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:37,960
at the end of it all that I like Time

1655
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:41,079
to and God knows we would have betten off some

1656
01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:42,000
hands for that, wouldn't we.

1657
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I think this album, I mean, this is

1658
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,920
incredible again, just kind of like taking this without the

1659
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,840
years of baggage. I mean, this is eving you can

1660
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,399
probably want from like an epic heavy metal album. But

1661
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,119
I do understand that, like you, for most of you're

1662
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,600
not going to be able to detach from it all.

1663
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,079
But again is as good a Time On. I don't

1664
01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:02,720
think it's it's as good, but I think Time On

1665
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,960
is like a special record fair enough. But I have

1666
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:09,000
had an incredible time listening to this. I get a thrill,

1667
01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:12,880
like listen to every time I've hit play that. I'm like,

1668
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,920
I can you know if Winterson decide to tour and

1669
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:22,399
do the Time tour and just play, I'll go, I

1670
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,039
will buy a ticket to that, decide to tour time

1671
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:28,600
and just do these two albums as a thing, Like

1672
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,520
I couldn't think of a better night of heavy metal

1673
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:31,640
in a way like that.

1674
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, for me, I'm just like, it is a silly.

1675
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 3: Preposterous vanity project like Time and I think that is

1676
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,199
I think like, but it is the vanity project of

1677
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:44,920
someone who clearly, like stupid as he is, is something

1678
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,399
of a musical genius who just works in the most absurd,

1679
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,760
daft ways. So how does that all come together in

1680
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,479
the end? Like again, like how much stock you put

1681
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,439
into the stupid bullshit the kickstarters that plays all that

1682
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:01,000
like it's gonna be I'm sure again that will color

1683
01:19:01,079 --> 01:19:03,039
your your experience this, But I mean, if you can

1684
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,800
if you can separate that and just listen as an album.

1685
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,119
I think this is one of the real standouts of

1686
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:08,439
the year.

1687
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want to echo all of that

1688
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,840
because I think Winter Sun I think I was saying

1689
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,600
earlier about me not really liking a lot of the

1690
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,760
things they tend to pull from. They just have the

1691
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,720
pixie dust, Like what they do can't be taught, it

1692
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,680
can't be mimicked. And that's why people put so much

1693
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,399
stock in these records. And it's why I mean, like

1694
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,239
you said, and there's a lot we can't say right now.

1695
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: We don't.

1696
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 2: It's foolish to say whether you think it's better or

1697
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:39,000
an equal to, or even really worse than Time It.

1698
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:41,880
Really I have no idea because I've been so many

1699
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,159
different people while listening to Time One, and I've had

1700
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:46,239
this for two weeks, do you know what I mean? Like,

1701
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,039
it's impossible to put those things side by side. But

1702
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:54,319
what I take comfort in now is a, like you said,

1703
01:19:54,319 --> 01:19:55,760
I think it's one of the best metal records of

1704
01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:00,479
the year, and B And this is what I think

1705
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,920
really is special is that I can anticipate a future

1706
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,479
where I see them as equals, which is insane. Like

1707
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,399
you think when Chinese democracy came out, how many people

1708
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,840
were saying, Oh, it's a bit early to say, but

1709
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,399
maybe this is as good as Appetite or I mean,

1710
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,640
I think Fear Inoculum is a really good record, and

1711
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,239
I remember listening to it and I made like a

1712
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:24,199
whole day of it. I planned everything around to absorb

1713
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:27,399
the album in the ideal setting, and I thought, Wow,

1714
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,279
that was really good. But I kind of knew deep

1715
01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:32,119
down that I was never going to see it as

1716
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:37,279
an equal to Lateralsis or Enema. Listening to this and

1717
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,319
being confident in the future, I won't go, oh, yeah,

1718
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:43,199
that Time Saga, that was one brilliant record and then

1719
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:47,199
a kind of dud follow up, already knowing that that's

1720
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,720
not going to be the case, and that when we

1721
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,560
look back on the Time projects in the future, maybe

1722
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,399
I'll see it as a double album of equal parts

1723
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,439
worthy of of the demands it makes. I don't think

1724
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,960
you can call that anything less than a triumph.

1725
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:06,279
Speaker 1: It is out this coming Friday the thirtieth, and it's

1726
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:08,720
not the only very long awaited event release that's coming

1727
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,439
out that day. In fact, admittedly, the wait for this

1728
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,720
next record looks like Pussy Numbers next to Winter Sun,

1729
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,960
but It is quite crazy that Time one and the

1730
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,199
first Time two even and the first Nails album since

1731
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:21,920
twenty sixteen are already You see how I defaulted there

1732
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,560
to Time one, like I can't have not even got

1733
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,840
used to saying Time two yet. But anyway, the first

1734
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,880
Nails album is twenty sixteen. They're arriving simultaneously, and if

1735
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,560
you need one of these is a palate cleanser to

1736
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,279
the other one who boy nails every bridge. Burning This

1737
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,640
like normally, of course, would be the big talking point

1738
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,880
of the day because Nails are I think I can

1739
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,720
speak for all of us, because we've had this conversation

1740
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,960
at length, extensively one of the defining heavy bands of

1741
01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:48,800
all of our musical lifetimes. We all, to some degree

1742
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:52,119
came of age in an era when the band who

1743
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:56,239
were the hot namee in fast hard extreme music, the

1744
01:21:56,359 --> 01:21:58,960
coolest band in the world for that stripe of hard

1745
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:01,399
thing we are all becoming accustomed to ou at that

1746
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,000
time it was Nails, and through thick and thin, through

1747
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:08,640
whatever you thought their reputation was, whatever, I think it

1748
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,319
is true that they defined an era the way that

1749
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:13,840
you can generally kind of count bands on your fingers,

1750
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,680
the way they do. We in fact, you know, did

1751
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,319
a whole discography retrospective band special on Nails over only

1752
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:22,399
that's not a Patreon at the start of this year,

1753
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,119
which you know, for bands comparatively on the newer end

1754
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:26,800
and on the smaller end, we only have done that

1755
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,119
really with bands who really made a mark, even with

1756
01:22:29,239 --> 01:22:31,920
not the largest body of work. And over the course

1757
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,239
of those like four hours or so of podcasting whatever

1758
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:36,479
it was talking about a band who primarily dealing like

1759
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,479
fifteen minute odd packages, we really spoke about what a

1760
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,640
definitive band they were for us and an entire kind

1761
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,760
of moment in time for our scene. So god, guys,

1762
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,680
for a band that I have been a you know,

1763
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:51,720
a huge fan of and they've never really been too

1764
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,640
far away from me for well over a decade now,

1765
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,239
the amount of Nails on the brain I have had

1766
01:22:56,319 --> 01:22:58,319
this year, it's been abnormal, right.

1767
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, ever since we did that special, this is big

1768
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:04,039
this and we kind of did it with the news

1769
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:06,119
of Nails coming back, and I think this has been

1770
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,039
possibly my most undispared album of the year. Like I

1771
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,800
just completely again, like again as one who fell into

1772
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,760
the trap of the strained relationship with Nails because of

1773
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,479
all the chip.

1774
01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:15,199
Speaker 4: We covered in the special.

1775
01:23:19,399 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, like exactly, I do have the bag. Like that again,

1776
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,760
I said, I have that bag. I do have that

1777
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,039
baggage of Nails. But fucking all of that, none that

1778
01:23:29,119 --> 01:23:31,319
fucking matters. Nails are back. I've got a new album.

1779
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:37,319
It's seventeen minutes long. Fucking le let's just go like man,

1780
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,760
because I needed again that Nail, the particular brand of

1781
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,720
extreme violent music that Nails do. I needed a fix

1782
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,600
of that. There are lots of you know, grind and

1783
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,600
power violence, hardcore dream metal bands that kind of you know,

1784
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:54,720
trading similar circles to Nails, but the way Nails do it,

1785
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:58,680
there is something, There is an X factor to Nails

1786
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,359
that like Tho, those guys were quite hiten. So I

1787
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,039
needed that. I needed that fix, an old boy, and

1788
01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:04,479
I got it.

1789
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: And every single Nails release in you know, those classic

1790
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,119
years of the band basically near perfect, every single one

1791
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:13,760
of them is essential. That is again a high bar

1792
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,239
for this album to clear the way that Nails so

1793
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,720
abruptly fell apart as one decade transitioned into another one.

1794
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,000
Here it was such a bizarre, underwhelming end if it

1795
01:24:23,119 --> 01:24:24,960
was to be one for a band who like did

1796
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:28,159
burn so brightly the same three guys, you know, with

1797
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,319
an extra member here or there, but you knew Nails

1798
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:32,960
to be those three guys. They crafted those three albums

1799
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:37,000
from twenty ten to twenty sixteen. When John and Taylor

1800
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:39,359
both at the same time, dipped after a few years

1801
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:41,840
of what were already quite frustrating years for the band.

1802
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,399
When it just came to them being like, you know, functioning,

1803
01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:47,399
a lot of people naturally assumed that the band was done.

1804
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:49,880
How many times in general do we have like two

1805
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,079
thirds of a lineup leave and the remaining one guy

1806
01:24:52,279 --> 01:24:53,920
is able to you know, build it back up to

1807
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,600
some semblance of what it was. And then Todd Jones said, hey,

1808
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,079
don't worry, an album is coming and then went completely

1809
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,520
radio silent for like three years. So Nails seemed pretty done.

1810
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,439
But let's give Todd Jones' flowers here. He was true

1811
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,239
to his word. Like I spoke to Todd Jones last

1812
01:25:08,279 --> 01:25:10,680
week for an interview piece about this whole process that

1813
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:11,680
you can read if you want to go over to

1814
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,000
not Fest. But he said, like, I'm just not the

1815
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:16,039
kind of guy who announces things when I have nothing

1816
01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:18,600
to announce. But he was actually doing stuff, you know,

1817
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,600
and I think that's who Todd Jones is. You might

1818
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,479
assume that he's fallen off the face of the earth

1819
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,760
or it's all falling apart or whatever, but behind the scenes, quietly,

1820
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,359
he is actually putting in the work, and it's been

1821
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:30,399
wonderful over the last few months or whatever, seeing that

1822
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,439
behind the scenes work, like come to fruition with the

1823
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,600
revamped return of Nails with a new, carefully put together

1824
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,319
lineup and a new album. Given that Nails, you know,

1825
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:43,760
twenty and nine to twenty nineteen is a perfect discography,

1826
01:25:44,199 --> 01:25:47,520
how tentative were you about like a new lineup? Would

1827
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,439
you have been okay if Nails had like decided not

1828
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:50,000
to come back.

1829
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,399
Speaker 2: I guess I would have been okay if they decided

1830
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,399
not to come back, because that's what I'd already adjusted

1831
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,680
to you. I mean, like I had a few years

1832
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,000
to get my head around Nails no longer existing. So

1833
01:26:02,039 --> 01:26:04,840
if that was to continue to happen, I mean, it

1834
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,560
would sting that I never got to see it, and

1835
01:26:08,199 --> 01:26:09,720
it would sting that it was like the last thing

1836
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,399
they did was that pair of singles kind of seemingly

1837
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,079
leading towards an album, but at the same time, I'm

1838
01:26:16,119 --> 01:26:18,359
not normally the sort of person who has this train

1839
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:21,840
of thought. I don't necessarily ascribe to the I'll have

1840
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,399
a perfect career and then disappear. That's not normally what

1841
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,520
I want my favorite bands to do. Like, I kind

1842
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,760
of like seeing them change and do new stuff. But

1843
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,039
with Nails, I could at least you go, you know,

1844
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:34,840
maybe that was an appropriate end. It was it was

1845
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,520
always going to do that, something that extreme, that intense.

1846
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,920
It makes sense, And I'll be honest, I was slightly

1847
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,399
skeptical at the idea of a new lineup with Nails,

1848
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,880
even though Todd Jones is clearly the you know, like

1849
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:52,359
the main songwriter, the kind of focal point in that band.

1850
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:57,319
The other two guys would were no slouches and were

1851
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,319
crucial to the sound. So I when Nails were coming back,

1852
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:04,720
if I had any questions at all, it was mainly going,

1853
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:06,760
what about the rest of them?

1854
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, like I had in my head

1855
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:11,880
that I was like, if now I was gonna come back,

1856
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,159
if Todd Jones was gonna like get more back, I

1857
01:27:14,359 --> 01:27:17,680
didn't think he would bring in new members that weren't

1858
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,720
up to it. That's why I never really had that

1859
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,239
worry even though I agree, like you go like Nails

1860
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:26,039
as a line of that initial they were so all

1861
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:27,439
so good at what they were doing and that's what

1862
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,319
created those like insane.

1863
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,399
Speaker 4: Records, So like are they gonna be able to replicate it?

1864
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,239
Speaker 3: But I just had my hands like, I just don't

1865
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:37,880
think he would get a new line bringing back if

1866
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,680
it wasn't going to be to the standard.

1867
01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:43,039
Speaker 4: And that's why I didn't really have that worry.

1868
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the album is, as you say, like seventeen eighteen

1869
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,159
minutes long, and you know, we are people who have

1870
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:53,680
said you've dissected every detail of records of that size.

1871
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,680
It doesn't seem much after so many years. It's not

1872
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,840
winness sometime too. But as a Nails fan you are

1873
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:02,079
rubbing your hands together at that because there are so

1874
01:28:02,319 --> 01:28:06,600
many precisely timed explosions within those run times that there

1875
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,800
will be a ton to appreciate and become accustomed to,

1876
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:12,760
you know, on that kind of scale. The you know,

1877
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,039
the novel trivia detail there is. It's the first Nail

1878
01:28:15,039 --> 01:28:17,079
studio album to be shorter than the one before it.

1879
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:18,680
You will never be one of us seems like maybe

1880
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:19,960
a bit of a limit at the moment of how

1881
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:22,079
far they take that, and you particularly look at the

1882
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:24,000
closing tracks on each album, and that's where the difference

1883
01:28:24,079 --> 01:28:26,960
is really made. But we're all Nails fans. We know

1884
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,800
what we want from Nails. We can cut to the

1885
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,199
chase and say, you know, I can't imagine that we

1886
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:36,239
don't all agree this record destroys. And if the worst

1887
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:39,279
case scenario was Todd Jones came back with some lineup

1888
01:28:39,319 --> 01:28:40,920
that was clearly not fit to lick the boots of

1889
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,000
the previous lineup and somehow came out with some like

1890
01:28:43,119 --> 01:28:45,199
flop of an album that showed the lost of plot

1891
01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:49,159
or whatever. This obviously far and away avoids that whether

1892
01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:51,319
this will be your favorite Nails record or your fourth

1893
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:53,880
favorite Nails record, I think we can establish that as

1894
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,319
a bottom line, and that alone makes this course for celebration.

1895
01:28:57,399 --> 01:28:59,760
Because Nails produced three of the best extreme albums of

1896
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,760
the twenty years, this one is at the very least

1897
01:29:03,359 --> 01:29:06,840
not a noticeable downgrade, and that inherently also makes this

1898
01:29:07,359 --> 01:29:10,479
fucking excellent. So to get into the nitty gritty of it,

1899
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,600
unavoidably it feels like a bit of a new era

1900
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,560
because you know, the first three Nails records came in

1901
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,319
a sequence where there was a fluid, organic growth between

1902
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:20,000
each one, and then we had a hard stop for

1903
01:29:20,039 --> 01:29:21,800
a few years, and now we're back with different musicians

1904
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,680
in the equation. It's maybe not quite of a piece

1905
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,359
with that particular era, even if the corn Nail sound

1906
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,960
is incredibly you know, recognized by and obvious in terms

1907
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,760
of evolution. We spoke quite heavily about how the Nails

1908
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,239
album's almost shifted genre a little bit over the first three.

1909
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,359
You know, despite being all on the surface being intense

1910
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,119
grind power, violence, I would argue that you Will Never

1911
01:29:43,159 --> 01:29:45,039
Be One of Us is the most metallic, with the

1912
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:48,359
most influenced from thrash and death metal, while you know,

1913
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,520
I'm silent death back in the early days is more

1914
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,840
like a deep most punk, a dbat punk record. And

1915
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:57,239
the process of all of those things involved things like

1916
01:29:57,359 --> 01:29:59,880
the production and Todd's vocal and all these like teen

1917
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:03,119
elements that overall built up that bigger picture and determine

1918
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:05,279
which way one lenth or whatever I think you will

1919
01:30:05,319 --> 01:30:07,760
never be one of us, Whether it was intentional or

1920
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,239
not on the part of Nails, obviously, it provides a

1921
01:30:11,319 --> 01:30:14,640
sort of foundation from which the new lineup builds on this.

1922
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,960
I think if specifically you will never be one of

1923
01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:19,760
us is your Nails record, I can't imagine you not

1924
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,279
finding times to appreciate in this because it is kind

1925
01:30:22,319 --> 01:30:24,279
of like they've taken that as the bottom line and

1926
01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:26,439
go on, right, what new stuff can we add on

1927
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:26,920
top of that?

1928
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,520
Speaker 3: See? For me, I've kind of almost like a kind

1929
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,880
of like melding pot of unsilent death and you will

1930
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,239
never be one of us, I think, because it's almost

1931
01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:38,880
like a back to basics kind of like approach. That

1932
01:30:39,159 --> 01:30:41,840
did make me think a lot of it of unsilent death.

1933
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,039
I mean, like the first removed is a band or life,

1934
01:30:44,039 --> 01:30:46,760
because that is just such a dark, a pressure abum.

1935
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,960
This doesn't necessarily have that kind of same approach, But

1936
01:30:49,079 --> 01:30:51,479
this is to me like the moment you just get

1937
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,600
that scumming crusted rift kicking off on the opening track

1938
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,359
on Imposing Will, and I was like, oh, fuck, yeah,

1939
01:30:57,399 --> 01:31:00,560
that is the sound of Nails to me. But I

1940
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,920
do get it has still that kind of like metallic

1941
01:31:04,319 --> 01:31:07,359
like crunch and l like sort of punch to it

1942
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,159
that that did remind me of you will ever be

1943
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:09,600
one of us?

1944
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,359
Speaker 2: See, I think we've all We've all got slightly different

1945
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,319
reasons on this because for me and I don't know

1946
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:17,439
if it's I'm putting the chicken before the egg or whatever,

1947
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,720
the fact that this isn't you know, like you said,

1948
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,319
there was a kind of natural trajectory over the first

1949
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:26,640
three records, and the fact that this doesn't quite continue

1950
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,840
that in the way that maybe.

1951
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: We expected it to.

1952
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,079
Speaker 2: It kind of suits the fact that this is a

1953
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:34,760
new lineup, because you can definitely tell that it's a

1954
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,600
different Nails, but the Nails you get here I don't

1955
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,680
think would be as suited to making the old records,

1956
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,439
and that that lineup might not be that suit to

1957
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,359
making this one because Nails Arms were getting more metal

1958
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,720
with each one. And while I think this is less

1959
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:52,600
death metal or maybe even less extreme metal than you

1960
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,359
will never be one of us, it might be more

1961
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,680
metal again because it's a kind of classic metal crossover

1962
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,840
flare at points certain songs.

1963
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,399
Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, I think in a way, I think what

1964
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,359
you just described is a lot of my thoughts on

1965
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:08,199
the album as well, but I've just sort of phrased

1966
01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:10,720
it in a slightly different order one. I mean, is

1967
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,760
it shares those metallic elements, right, there. I think there

1968
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,000
are areas on this which, as you're saying, kind of

1969
01:32:16,039 --> 01:32:20,880
develops that in fun ways, which for as like teeth

1970
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,880
pulling and frustrating. The Creationist album undoubtedly must have been

1971
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:25,800
for Todd to some degree, having to you know, reassemble

1972
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,840
the band around him. I find this album to be

1973
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,600
really fun and really liberating in the sense that Nails

1974
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,560
are this like very boiled down to a pure essence

1975
01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:38,000
amalgamation of things that exist in the extreme music tree,

1976
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:41,479
like thrash, grind, death, power, violence, you know, we've named

1977
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,680
it Every Bridge Burning. To me is a record that

1978
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,439
sounds maybe the most reflective of what I imagine the

1979
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,640
musical personality of Todd Jones to be. Like the other members,

1980
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,640
they've obviously slotted in and done a sterling job, but

1981
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,880
as the primary songwriter behind Nails, particularly as all the

1982
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,520
other members have changed, so he is the continuing factor.

1983
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,199
This album has a really pleasurable, almost like fun house

1984
01:33:01,279 --> 01:33:03,239
mirror quality of like all of the different bits of

1985
01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:05,359
what you think of when you think of Todd Jones, right,

1986
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:07,680
and the songwriting and the different styles he's played, they

1987
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,720
all sort of show up over the course of these

1988
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:11,920
like Blink and you'll miss it.

1989
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Micro songs, Yeah, I mean i'd say like probably has

1990
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,720
like the two most fun Nail songs ever on this

1991
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,640
album and a couple of moments. But I do it

1992
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,680
feels like it's kind of like less purely distilled hatred

1993
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,520
and more kind of he almost as like tod Jon

1994
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,800
is actually enjoying playing this album more than he has

1995
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,319
done in the past, because there is kind of there

1996
01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:35,520
is someffal freeing quality I think to these songs that

1997
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,239
just feels that like he's actually cutting loose a bit.

1998
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you can look at that in the

1999
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,960
sort of vocal performance because his vocal style changed a bit.

2000
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:45,880
Record and record, you look at something like a band

2001
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,880
in all life, and thus the sound of someone being

2002
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,760
burned alive and here he sounds rabid but not. It's

2003
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,039
really hard to describe it. It's not in a miserable way.

2004
01:33:55,159 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a really almost like a should goggle,

2005
01:33:59,239 --> 01:34:01,680
like extreme metal. It's like one of the most inhuman

2006
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,359
voices he's ever done. It's so just kind of kind

2007
01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:06,680
of you know, Flenny, but in a way that like

2008
01:34:08,399 --> 01:34:09,960
sits in the pocket and knows what you're doing.

2009
01:34:11,119 --> 01:34:14,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you can hear the spittle flying out of

2010
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:17,119
his mouth as he pushes the words out. It's it's

2011
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:19,199
it's rather than being gustle and control, there's a kind

2012
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:22,359
of harshness to it, which I don't know why, but

2013
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,560
that denotes fun in the concext of this record.

2014
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: It's he's kind of.

2015
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 2: He's being the master of ceremonies, where in the past

2016
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,159
he's trying to alienate everyone.

2017
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the first track, title track, lead single,

2018
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,199
just as it was with you and every one of us.

2019
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:38,479
We spoke about it as the lead single. It goes,

2020
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,720
it rips. It does have a slightly more thrashy edge

2021
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,439
in the drums to me than what Tailor Young brought,

2022
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,800
which makes sense because Carlos Cruz is the drummer and warbringer,

2023
01:34:45,039 --> 01:34:48,079
and it's a slightly detectable difference. But the moment in

2024
01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:50,880
that is the back end when it does what I

2025
01:34:51,039 --> 01:34:53,640
associate very much being a very trademark Nails trick, which

2026
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,279
is midway through a song that started out fast, switched

2027
01:34:56,319 --> 01:34:58,960
into a more mid paced caver skull in and it's

2028
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:01,560
just settling like, ah, yeah, this is Nails. And I

2029
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,000
particularly love the part when it drops the double bass

2030
01:35:04,039 --> 01:35:06,039
that initially uses and then the drums lock in like

2031
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:09,399
ACDC style, and the second go round of that riff

2032
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,119
is even sicker than the first one, and the pulling

2033
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:14,880
off of that trick just makes me lose my mind.

2034
01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:17,199
And I think the best one or that regard further

2035
01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:20,640
into the record the second half of the title track,

2036
01:35:21,079 --> 01:35:23,880
which again early on in the record, and that one

2037
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:25,600
hadn't been released as a single, so that coming on

2038
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,159
my first listen, that made me just fucking holler and

2039
01:35:29,359 --> 01:35:32,239
cackle and flip the table. It's that's I think the

2040
01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:35,680
moment on the record when any like lingering doubt or

2041
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,800
apprehension or whatever just kind of flew out the window,

2042
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,800
and I fully gave myself the album because oh my god,

2043
01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:42,359
I haven't even, like, you know, I've not got the

2044
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,239
lyrics yet to make out what Todd says at that moment,

2045
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:46,119
but it just sounds cool as hell, whatever the fuck

2046
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:49,000
he's says to bring that in, and that like sick

2047
01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:52,119
as fuck entombed groove the skeleton riff. As those in

2048
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:53,880
the know about the type of track of Unsilent Death

2049
01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:56,720
may say, it's it's the kind of trick that nails

2050
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,119
are literally the best in the world at that exact

2051
01:35:59,319 --> 01:36:02,520
moment they do better than anyone else, and it's just

2052
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,399
some of the most like fun, punch your head off

2053
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:06,399
extreme music there.

2054
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:09,399
Speaker 3: Is, and they do it so many times across this album,

2055
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:10,880
like not always the same sort of way, but when

2056
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,199
they pull that trick off again, to me, it's like,

2057
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:14,960
that's the kind of like the two step riff by

2058
01:36:15,039 --> 01:36:17,479
nail Standards, that that one in the title track, but

2059
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,359
it is so fucking sick, and I'm just like every time,

2060
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,000
I'm just like, man, this is why we need nails Back,

2061
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,479
because no one can hit this exact sort of groove

2062
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,079
quite as violently but as fun as they do. It's

2063
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:30,600
so cool.

2064
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:31,520
Speaker 1: I kind of see.

2065
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,039
Speaker 2: The first three songs are something of a suite for

2066
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:37,000
that reason because they kind of build and build and build,

2067
01:36:37,119 --> 01:36:39,039
and then when it sounds like they're really really about

2068
01:36:39,039 --> 01:36:43,039
to lift off, your squalling feedback and then Punishment map

2069
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,000
same sort of thing, same scalling feedback, put you on

2070
01:36:46,039 --> 01:36:50,439
the back foot. And then when that the Dan, when

2071
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:54,560
every Bridge Burning comes in, it's it's like the ultimate climax.

2072
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,640
It's the thing you've been like waiting for. They've been

2073
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,760
engine you and then they hit it hit you with that,

2074
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:00,079
and it's only it's only a reready been two and

2075
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:02,279
a half minutes into the record, like you've not really

2076
01:37:02,359 --> 01:37:04,600
been waiting all that long, And yeah, it is just

2077
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,359
it's like them doing a party riff, if such a

2078
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:10,920
thing exists. I mean they do that immediately after this.

2079
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,359
But you just like you say, that was the moment

2080
01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:18,279
for me where I went from going, oh, you know,

2081
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,640
is it gonna be quite as good? Just go It's

2082
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,600
again you're comparing the fourth best version of this at

2083
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:30,720
minimum to everything else, and nothing else is as good.

2084
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the bombardment of hooks in these micro song

2085
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,920
formats you mentioned punishment Matt when he's barking that make

2086
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,000
you feel the way you made me you feel, that

2087
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:43,720
is just like pure Nails, fuck you, punch you in

2088
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:47,279
the face. Incredible stuff trapped later on as well, for

2089
01:37:47,319 --> 01:37:48,960
like thirty eight seconds long. It just has all of

2090
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,359
that murderous dog delivery, especially what we're saying again about

2091
01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:54,880
his voice and the kind of like gross slave equality

2092
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,279
that's just really great on this. And then something happened

2093
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,720
when Nails released the second single from this album, which

2094
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,439
was the last one that I listened to as a

2095
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,840
single before we got sent the album, and the thing

2096
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,760
that happened is they made my dreams come true because

2097
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:13,479
give Me the Painkiller. I can't quite believe that song

2098
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,399
as a thing. I've heard it so many times now,

2099
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,279
Like I've been listening to that song specifically consistently for

2100
01:38:19,399 --> 01:38:21,279
like a couple months. And you know, I'm sure that

2101
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:22,920
a lot of you guys hearing have already heard that

2102
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,640
already because it was a single. But I just need

2103
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:28,319
to convey my excitement at this moment when Nails came

2104
01:38:28,359 --> 01:38:31,600
out with essentially a speed metal song, a track for

2105
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:36,119
the speed metal maniacs through the prism of like Nails, grindcore,

2106
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:38,720
power violence. You can literally hear it out in the

2107
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:44,560
riff exciter Midnight Judas Priest, the natural extension of the

2108
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,439
long held slayer Love in Nails, which is to go

2109
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,239
back and go fuck it, let's put shon mercy riffs

2110
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,880
in there. I am just so in the middle of

2111
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,159
the ven diagram of who that is for, and that

2112
01:38:54,359 --> 01:38:59,800
track kindles such a childlike excitement in me for metal music.

2113
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 3: I mean for me, it's taking that and just channeling

2114
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,880
it through Nails. Just go, oh man, this is the

2115
01:39:05,239 --> 01:39:07,840
greatest sound that can possibly exist. I swear to go

2116
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,640
like it is give me a painkiller. Like when that

2117
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,199
sort of shift happens, and I'm like, this is when

2118
01:39:13,279 --> 01:39:17,079
Nails become just so fun. Like I can't imagine being

2119
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,319
into heavy music and not loving this song in particular

2120
01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:23,520
because it's just it is extremely as fast it is violent,

2121
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,560
but it's so just like care free and life affirming

2122
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,279
at the same time, and just this kind of like

2123
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,840
fuck everything, let's crank out these shellos, just crank up

2124
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,840
these rifts, slam out that DV coming out the solo,

2125
01:39:36,279 --> 01:39:39,600
like big vocal hook right before the solo comes in.

2126
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: It's so.

2127
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,079
Speaker 3: It's so exciting, Like this to me might be one

2128
01:39:45,079 --> 01:39:47,680
of my favorite Nail songs. I'm just not stop listening

2129
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,840
to this song in particular because that jolt everything that

2130
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,640
comes in, it's kind of like this is the greatest

2131
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:55,359
shit in the world.

2132
01:39:56,319 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 2: How many times before have we spoken about the lead

2133
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,159
guitars and a Nail song, Like it's not one of

2134
01:40:01,159 --> 01:40:04,239
those points of reference we often reached for, But even

2135
01:40:04,319 --> 01:40:06,880
ignoring that, so far, so good. So what iff that

2136
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,199
powers this thing? Along the fact that there's a legit

2137
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,600
brilliant guitar solo in it. It's you know, before this album,

2138
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,840
if you saw a longer than normal Nails track in

2139
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,800
the track list, you go, that's gonna be the crossover song,

2140
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,279
absolute dirge. And we now live in a world where

2141
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,760
we can look at a new Nails track list, see

2142
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,880
a longer song and go there might be some power

2143
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,680
slide leads on this, like.

2144
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,199
Speaker 3: It's the best of all possible timelines.

2145
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that fucking that Painkiller give me the Painkiller.

2146
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,239
Damnation festival isn't ready for that, you know, that double

2147
01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:44,399
based wall under that chorus and that dbat Kirk Blees sound.

2148
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,520
But the bit ive I've mentioned where the before the

2149
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,319
bridge with the cymbal chokes and the vocal stabs and

2150
01:40:49,359 --> 01:40:52,119
he goes, no hurt, no pain, let me do my

2151
01:40:52,279 --> 01:40:57,840
goddamn thing before that's like the coolest Nails have ever sounded. Like,

2152
01:40:58,319 --> 01:40:59,479
you know, I don't know if this is one of

2153
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,680
my favorite albus overall. It's a very tough category, but

2154
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,840
it's immediately one of my favorite Nails tracks ever because

2155
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,640
it's just one of the cool that's exactly for me,

2156
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:10,199
like best ideas, let's do like an eighty speed metal

2157
01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:13,560
or like a black thrash type song Naile style, and

2158
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:17,720
the album is just for that Pieter genius totally justified,

2159
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,520
and it's it's a really lovely moment of like organically

2160
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,560
hearing like that's what these people are into, you know,

2161
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:28,199
like Nails, like Motorhead, and they like Judas Priest, and

2162
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:30,640
they go, let's sprinkle some of those old school sounds

2163
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,720
in there and just experiment with what that sounds like

2164
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,520
in the context of Nails. And it's that kind of

2165
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:39,439
ethos that makes this record overall so pleasurable to me.

2166
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,000
And the album pacing is like totally up to the

2167
01:41:42,039 --> 01:41:44,159
standard of what we know Nails to be, right, you know,

2168
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:47,600
four varying shades of rippers up top and then track

2169
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,560
five lacking the ability to process empathy brilliantly. It's the

2170
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:56,920
point title styles back on lurking glowering chainsaw sound, which

2171
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:58,840
on records to me, it kind of sounds like it's

2172
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,640
sort of like sitting shroud in shadow, keeping its cars

2173
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,560
close to its chest, waiting for the moment to strike.

2174
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,199
But you know, live that main riff is going to

2175
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:08,359
have people just moshfis going crazy stuff.

2176
01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:11,159
Speaker 3: From the get go, there's sort of slow chugging beat

2177
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:12,560
down at the end of that song, and that does

2178
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:14,039
make me want to throw hand yeah, and they like

2179
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:16,079
speed that up and it's like, oh fuck yeah, Like

2180
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:18,359
you know, everyone does the play the riff slam Like now,

2181
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:19,640
I's like, no, we're going to do the beat down.

2182
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,159
Speaker 1: They're a going to speed it up to make it

2183
01:42:21,279 --> 01:42:23,079
more violent. That's exactly what I was saying about. Kind

2184
01:42:23,079 --> 01:42:25,399
of again, hearing bits pop up that you know is

2185
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,439
part of the wider picture because one of the most

2186
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,680
like full on bouncy hardcore beat down type parts in

2187
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,720
a Nail song in the bridge that sounds really fucking

2188
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,319
crazy with particular tone and everything they have.

2189
01:42:37,159 --> 01:42:41,319
Speaker 2: I just a few bands do insistent better than Nails,

2190
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,880
Like when they've got an idea, it's like a dog

2191
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:47,760
with a bone, they'll they'll just go They'll commit to

2192
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,000
it to the maximum degree. And there's almost no dalances

2193
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:54,479
with new ideas on this song, for it's basically entire runtime.

2194
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,680
You're just caught in the treads and it stomps you

2195
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,359
over and over and over again. But again, a lot

2196
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:01,680
it's we don't making so many comparisons with Winter Sun,

2197
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,319
but when no band does it quite as well, as

2198
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:08,760
them that's what they need to do. And I think

2199
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:12,039
between this song despite as sort of hard and they

2200
01:43:12,079 --> 01:43:14,680
say sort of shadow it is and give me the Painkiller.

2201
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:16,279
One of the things I found really nice about this

2202
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:21,159
record was Nails don't sound like they're trying to keep

2203
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:24,119
up with some sort of reputation, which I was kind

2204
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,760
of concerned they might feel obligated too, because you know,

2205
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,800
when you spend the best part of a decade being

2206
01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:32,960
the heaviest band in the world and then you come

2207
01:43:33,039 --> 01:43:35,600
back five eight years lacepling on how you're measuring it,

2208
01:43:36,279 --> 01:43:38,319
there might be some sort of expectation of that, and

2209
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,840
here it kind of sounds effortless.

2210
01:43:41,399 --> 01:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that there's still a kind of

2211
01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:49,399
tangible DIY power Violand's edge, despite how like crazy the

2212
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,159
record sound by comparison from like where that genre first

2213
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:55,119
came from, but like Dehumanized just feels like you are

2214
01:43:55,159 --> 01:43:57,880
watching some crusty guys slug some instruments over their shoulder

2215
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,199
and they knock that out on the spot, you know.

2216
01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:01,039
And there are again there's more sort of straight up

2217
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:03,680
punk songs like Made Up in Your Mind, which has

2218
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,800
that incredible you know in your head the first time

2219
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,079
you hear it hook just really again great punk rock songwriting,

2220
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:12,760
just this kind of warp beaed intensive delivery. And then

2221
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:15,119
I Can't Turn Off might be one of the most

2222
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:17,359
sort of back to basics punk rock songs that Nails

2223
01:44:17,399 --> 01:44:18,840
have ever done. And this is what I mean again,

2224
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,159
all the different shades of what you imagine makeup Nails,

2225
01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:23,359
what are the bits of the pie chart, they all

2226
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,079
like have a moment to shine on the record. It's

2227
01:44:26,079 --> 01:44:26,560
really nice.

2228
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 3: I mean I Can't Turn Off again. That that is

2229
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,720
when we're gonna. Yeah, really we mentioned Motorhead. I was

2230
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,159
like that kind of again, I kind of kind of

2231
01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:35,199
reminds me of that and that just like real just

2232
01:44:35,319 --> 01:44:39,840
like raw back to basics, like just punk raga with

2233
01:44:40,119 --> 01:44:43,119
big hooks like actual bounce to it in a way

2234
01:44:43,159 --> 01:44:46,800
that Noils don't always lean on it again really fun

2235
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:52,000
and has like big rooves, big like rocking guitar solos.

2236
01:44:52,039 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 4: Again like that song and give Me the Painkiller just

2237
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:56,560
the two hour kind of girl.

2238
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Like those just really stood out to me on first

2239
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,760
and it's kind of like these are like big moment

2240
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:03,800
tracks where like now is going to like actually feel

2241
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,960
like a rock band that have just become the most

2242
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:08,800
violent heavy band in the world.

2243
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:12,079
Speaker 2: And that to me is such a cool sound humanized.

2244
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,239
Of the songs we've just mentioned, that's the standout for me.

2245
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,600
It's it's just outrageous. And maybe it's because I have

2246
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:22,000
a predilection for this sort of thing anyway. But when

2247
01:45:22,039 --> 01:45:26,560
that weird riff, which even though it's a trick that

2248
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,960
is as old as this genre where you bring the

2249
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,159
riff in and then bring it back later as a breakdown.

2250
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,239
For whatever reason, maybe it's because I've been surprised by

2251
01:45:34,279 --> 01:45:35,960
some of the aspects of this record already. I just

2252
01:45:36,079 --> 01:45:39,039
wasn't expecting it. And when that comes in towards the end,

2253
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,479
it's just We've said it numbers of it's just the

2254
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,359
best sound in the world and a song that's what

2255
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:49,000
fifty seconds long, a minute, and it has so many

2256
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:52,359
catchy moments, some of which last a second and a half. Again,

2257
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,079
just we've said it. But it's the thing that makes

2258
01:45:55,159 --> 01:45:55,720
now special.

2259
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the moment where this does sort of sort of

2260
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,600
dial it back in amparentity, you know, and be one

2261
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,000
of us is obviously it's the closer they come crawling

2262
01:46:03,039 --> 01:46:05,560
back on the album is an absurd song that's one

2263
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,960
of the peaks in Nails discograpy because nothing else really

2264
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,119
does it, and I don't expect Nails as a rule

2265
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,680
to keep like inflating that element of what they do

2266
01:46:13,079 --> 01:46:15,479
after doing like an over eight minute song that strings

2267
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,079
together so many weird riffs that's like a freakish Frankenstein's

2268
01:46:19,079 --> 01:46:21,479
abomination of a song. No More Rivers to Cross doesn't

2269
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,800
attempt to really top it. But I'm still a mark

2270
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,199
for Nails doing that on their albums because that, again,

2271
01:46:27,279 --> 01:46:30,039
that's one of those predictable tricks that just feels so

2272
01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:32,279
right in the hands of this band. Like if you

2273
01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:35,600
want any band to do the slightly longer slow Dooby

2274
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,279
closer every single time, it would be Nails. It would

2275
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:40,720
feel kind of wrong and unfinished without it if your

2276
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,399
fifteen minute experience just you know, didn't end with a

2277
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:47,119
cap that. Yeah, and it does, as is always the

2278
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:49,880
rule fulfills the trick for me being one of my

2279
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,840
favorite tracks on the album, the swinging evil doom riff

2280
01:46:54,039 --> 01:46:55,960
at the beginning, maybe some of the most sabbath ever

2281
01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:57,960
on a Nail song. While we're on the sort of

2282
01:46:58,119 --> 01:46:59,800
the trend of talking about some of those older bands,

2283
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,439
if you here in there but the actual main rift

2284
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,279
that it hits when it settles into a tempo. Fuck,

2285
01:47:05,399 --> 01:47:08,479
that's evil, you know what I mean, It's just evil.

2286
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,359
It's so good, just all of that, you know, Celtic

2287
01:47:11,399 --> 01:47:15,119
frost and sepulture rifts that make you feel nasty, you know,

2288
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:19,159
like simple slamming drum part. They just have this like

2289
01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:22,960
godlike instinctive understanding of how to deploy the tricks right,

2290
01:47:23,279 --> 01:47:26,079
not revolutionary tricks, but their control of them and their

2291
01:47:26,199 --> 01:47:28,920
knowledge of like when to pull back, when to detonate,

2292
01:47:29,159 --> 01:47:31,680
how to align a series of such moments in sequence,

2293
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:36,119
is just masterful. And it's such innate natural talent for

2294
01:47:36,199 --> 01:47:39,119
the principles of what makes heavy music good and how

2295
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:42,720
to preserve and maximalize that in such a strip back

2296
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,079
to the purest bones of bit way. That's always what

2297
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:46,960
has made nails good, and that's what's made them special.

2298
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean nails closers that we've said it that

2299
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,039
they're kind of a stuff of legend nowadays, and this

2300
01:47:54,119 --> 01:47:56,520
one has in many ways a lot to live up to.

2301
01:47:57,079 --> 01:48:00,680
But what I think so cool about this is they

2302
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,279
pull out a new trick whereas normally they do these

2303
01:48:03,359 --> 01:48:05,359
and it's kind of pound you into paste, Set you

2304
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,319
on fire. That's the agenda of the Nails closing track.

2305
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:13,880
This has a kind of sparse, like wobbly nature to

2306
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,479
its rift. It's got this like woozy, seasick quality to it,

2307
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,560
which it is arguably more effective following the last nine songs.

2308
01:48:22,079 --> 01:48:25,079
It just throws you off kilter and it's so much

2309
01:48:25,159 --> 01:48:28,880
more surprising and interesting for that. And when that last

2310
01:48:29,359 --> 01:48:32,239
sledgehammer riff comes in, when.

2311
01:48:32,079 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 1: They start fucking bending it about at the end of

2312
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:37,399
It's so fucked up.

2313
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 2: They could play that for fifteen minutes and I wouldn't

2314
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,199
get bored of it. Like it's just it's so good.

2315
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 3: I mean, that's it. It's like it again, they said,

2316
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,800
like doing the slower dirgy track of the Clothes. That's

2317
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,560
a Nail's trick that other bands you know have, kind

2318
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,199
of like post Nails, everyone started doing. All the hardcore

2319
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:56,880
bands ended their record on a slow, dirty song. But

2320
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:58,520
when Nails can do it and kind of almost strip

2321
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,199
it back to like a shorter version of it, but

2322
01:49:00,279 --> 01:49:03,479
still find new interesting ways to make that slow track

2323
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,399
sound different and not just sounding them thrown back and

2324
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,920
doing the same old Nails trick. That is what again,

2325
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:10,600
where you get like, no, they're just really they are

2326
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,880
great songwriters. They can do really clever things that I

2327
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,359
think they don't get enough praise for sometimes because they

2328
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,119
do find ways to make that same trick they pull

2329
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,319
sound fresh, exciting and interesting, even on like the fourth

2330
01:49:22,359 --> 01:49:22,800
Go Round.

2331
01:49:23,239 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, live up to expectation. Any disappointment.

2332
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 3: This this this hit that the explains with me, I

2333
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,039
am I know, because I've just been so nails peeled

2334
01:49:32,119 --> 01:49:33,479
that I'm just like, just give me more of this.

2335
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 4: But I've had just like this album made me happy,

2336
01:49:37,239 --> 01:49:38,119
so happy every time.

2337
01:49:38,039 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 3: I hit play on it.

2338
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to make the Last Winter Sun comparison

2339
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,159
of this review like the way that I was saying

2340
01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:48,319
time to I came with going I don't know where

2341
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:49,720
I'm going to rank that in the future, and that

2342
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,079
feels like a success. I kind of feel that way

2343
01:49:52,079 --> 01:49:54,800
about this, Like it would feel weird to put this

2344
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:59,680
above any of the previous records right now, But you

2345
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,960
have some band to basically go away for eight years,

2346
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:06,680
come back and release seventeen minutes of music and no

2347
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:10,560
one feels short changed by that. I'm completely satisfied by it,

2348
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,840
and I'm used to wanting more from them. But the

2349
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,399
fact I still do is that's nice.

2350
01:50:18,359 --> 01:50:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, no chance nails every bridge burning. Right, So those

2351
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:24,199
are two of the fucking biggest records of the year

2352
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:27,159
for us, and we've spoken so intensely about those, but

2353
01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:29,359
we have a good handful more of other records that

2354
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:31,199
have come out in the last couple weeks to also

2355
01:50:31,239 --> 01:50:33,079
talk about. And so next we are going to go

2356
01:50:33,279 --> 01:50:35,880
to maybe the metal record that the mainstream is most

2357
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,520
interested into the bunch this week, zeal And Ardor with

2358
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,399
Great The first two records that we've just spoken out

2359
01:50:41,399 --> 01:50:43,399
obviously there for us, but zeal And Ardor have become

2360
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,039
one of the most surprising success stories the last ten

2361
01:50:46,119 --> 01:50:48,800
years in metal. I still find them quite hard to

2362
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:50,720
pin down to a degree because it's you know, to

2363
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,520
some degree that's part of their success and what's cool

2364
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,479
about them, But the way they went from like underground

2365
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,920
extreme metal adjacent project to I guess, how do you

2366
01:50:59,039 --> 01:51:02,680
guys like actually using like what kind of band are they?

2367
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,439
What sort of sphere do they exist in?

2368
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:04,680
Speaker 2: For you?

2369
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 3: I mean I always kind of it was like quite

2370
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:09,680
sort of like the I don't say I haven't got

2371
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:10,880
but like they kind of see that the kind of

2372
01:51:11,039 --> 01:51:12,800
artsier end of metal to me, I guess all the time,

2373
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,319
just like all the different things they pull on. The

2374
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,159
initial over picture that whole, like Chain Gang Cross, the

2375
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:19,760
Black Mele that always feels like quite a sort of

2376
01:51:20,279 --> 01:51:24,760
trendy like artsy genre blend. But they that was always

2377
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:26,800
what it was basically, But they've branched out to so

2378
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:28,840
many other different things that I don't think they ever

2379
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:33,359
do just sit into one particular genre natural area.

2380
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, it's a funny one because that's sort of

2381
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,399
like I say, slave chant black metal thing is a

2382
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,720
more avant guarde idea, but it's easier to put in

2383
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,680
a box, so it somehow feels less avant guarded in

2384
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:50,720
a sense. They've gone they seem more experimental by playing

2385
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:56,960
with less obtuse forms of music like industrial metal, alternative metal, soul,

2386
01:51:57,239 --> 01:52:01,520
that sort of thing bleeding in some hours made them

2387
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,079
seem like a more experimental band than they once were.

2388
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I really like the first

2389
01:52:08,319 --> 01:52:10,760
you know Zeleanarder albums. I was a really decently big

2390
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:12,399
fan at that point in time. Then we had a

2391
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:14,399
bit of a break in their output over the COVID period,

2392
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,119
and it felt like that was the time when Zeleanarder

2393
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:18,119
kind of shifted a little bit and they came back

2394
01:52:18,199 --> 01:52:21,640
post Pandemic a slightly different band. The third self titled

2395
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:23,840
with you know the third album which was self titled.

2396
01:52:24,399 --> 01:52:25,760
I like that record if I put it on now,

2397
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,720
I think it's like, it's cool and good, but it

2398
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,800
didn't scratch specifically my itches in the same way. And

2399
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,159
I have to admit I've not really gone back to

2400
01:52:34,199 --> 01:52:36,319
that record an enormous deal, but I know for a

2401
01:52:36,359 --> 01:52:38,199
lot of people them sort of tweaking that sound to

2402
01:52:38,319 --> 01:52:41,399
draw on like more contemporary you know, industrial metal or whatever,

2403
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:43,640
even new metal at times on that did work for

2404
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:45,760
the massively and it was a very popular record amongst

2405
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,600
the t and M audience, and to some degree, albums

2406
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:49,760
like this one are still gonna be viewed as a

2407
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:51,920
band who are like on the up. How do you

2408
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,319
feel about what Zeleanarder are doing now with Griefe.

2409
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 2: I think I kind of an opinion on Zileanarda that

2410
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:05,319
I've not heard shen It's not really a major one.

2411
01:53:05,319 --> 01:53:07,680
It's just that it feels like the kind of majority

2412
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:11,640
view is Devil is Fine. Was a show of real potential.

2413
01:53:12,199 --> 01:53:15,840
Stranger Fruit was them kind of maximizing on it, and

2414
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,800
then the self titled was, depending on who you are,

2415
01:53:19,319 --> 01:53:21,439
either a kind of lesser form of it or something

2416
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:25,560
even more interesting. I don't really like much of what

2417
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:28,960
they've done since Devil is Fine, so I'm going into

2418
01:53:29,039 --> 01:53:32,159
this with a pretty different context to imagine a lot

2419
01:53:32,199 --> 01:53:35,560
of people. But I think this is my favorite thing

2420
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,239
they've done since that record.

2421
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:40,199
Speaker 3: I think for me this is a kind of moment

2422
01:53:40,199 --> 01:53:43,920
of kind of realizing it's like I respect and admire

2423
01:53:44,199 --> 01:53:46,720
Zi Leonardo more than I and I feel there's a

2424
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,079
sort of cop out answer, but I do. This was

2425
01:53:50,119 --> 01:53:52,640
my asker, and like, how much do I actually like?

2426
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:54,359
How much am I getting out of this as my

2427
01:53:54,359 --> 01:53:56,760
own enjoyment? And again I'm not, because again there's a

2428
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,399
load of really impressive, cool stuff in that I do

2429
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:02,279
like as a whole experience. I was maybe felt like

2430
01:54:02,399 --> 01:54:05,079
the most cold on first listen to a The Leonarda

2431
01:54:05,159 --> 01:54:07,199
record with this one than I had done to anything

2432
01:54:07,239 --> 01:54:09,600
they've done in the past. And I don't know quite

2433
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,920
what what's changed to make me you kind of feel

2434
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:15,840
a little colder to this one. But yeah, it's been

2435
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:17,880
around that I'm kind of still trying to process because

2436
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:21,680
I'm not crazy about this bios. I don't like bad

2437
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,920
enough anyway, because I think it is a really impressive record.

2438
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's probably for the best in terms

2439
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:28,840
of their sort of creative longevity, that that initial like

2440
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:31,399
black metal, Chain Gang Chant Fusion Point has like almost

2441
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:34,279
completely fallen away. This record has barely anything to do

2442
01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:37,039
with black metal anymore. If you were timing this based

2443
01:54:37,079 --> 01:54:39,960
on like how long until something comparable to black metal

2444
01:54:40,039 --> 01:54:42,720
shows up? I guess in the very loosest sense. There's

2445
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,760
a little guitar part and a scream at the end

2446
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,439
of Fend You Off, which is tracked too, but it's

2447
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,039
very light to black metal influence, and there's not a

2448
01:54:49,079 --> 01:54:51,159
lot of that real hellish atmosphere. What you're left with

2449
01:54:51,479 --> 01:54:54,880
is again vocal lines that have moved I think, more

2450
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,239
into kind of general like you know, sort of R

2451
01:54:58,279 --> 01:55:00,039
and B and soul influences even a time rather and

2452
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:03,279
just sort of explicitly like aping music from the seventeen hundreds,

2453
01:55:04,039 --> 01:55:06,920
and it's recognizable as Lenarder, but it just feels tremendously

2454
01:55:07,159 --> 01:55:10,159
far away from where this project started at this point

2455
01:55:10,199 --> 01:55:12,960
in time, even just like the intro track Weird as Fuck,

2456
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,319
you've got some kind of like high ho whistling foundation

2457
01:55:16,359 --> 01:55:19,520
with man Well's like really you know, impassioned singing voice

2458
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:23,199
and then full on video game since which like Manuel

2459
01:55:23,239 --> 01:55:26,000
who seems to use his band social media primarily to

2460
01:55:26,079 --> 01:55:28,560
recruit people to kill elden Ring bosses for him, it's

2461
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,800
just like a weird headvuck of like what was the

2462
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:32,479
initial seed of the idea for that track? You know?

2463
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,720
And I find that quite hard to pinpoint with them

2464
01:55:35,159 --> 01:55:39,800
at times, and the last album it was quite erratic,

2465
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:42,279
but it was still very aggressive and often in a

2466
01:55:42,399 --> 01:55:45,680
kind of perhaps intentionally throw you around all overplace kind

2467
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:47,920
of a way. I found it to be. I think, Ellie,

2468
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,239
what you were saying about, how like, even though it

2469
01:55:50,279 --> 01:55:52,479
was such a crazy idea to begin with, the pitch

2470
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,239
for what Zeleanarder was initially was very kind of self explanatory.

2471
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:57,640
I think the last record is when that kind of

2472
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:00,000
stopped being the case. And that's definitely you know, continue

2473
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:03,920
on here this album. I don't really know what this

2474
01:56:04,039 --> 01:56:07,600
is trying to do, Like why is it so subdued

2475
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,199
and sullen? And like I didn't think i'd say this

2476
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:12,079
about zeln Arder album. Even after the last album like

2477
01:56:12,479 --> 01:56:15,720
wasn't exactly for me in the same way they are

2478
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,159
inherently so odd and ear catching. I think this record

2479
01:56:18,279 --> 01:56:19,000
is quite boring.

2480
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 3: I think it is quite slow and minimalist for a

2481
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:25,720
lot of it that I like, some people might find

2482
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,079
that really engrossing and kind of like get sucked into

2483
01:56:28,119 --> 01:56:31,399
the world atmosphere, but for me, it it did feel

2484
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:33,720
like there was kind of it took a while to

2485
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:38,760
find a song that like really hit for me. It

2486
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,039
feels like Clawing Out was where they was that the

2487
01:56:41,079 --> 01:56:42,720
moment where I first of went, oh cool, that that's

2488
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,000
you know, this big, mean industrial kind of song. It

2489
01:56:46,039 --> 01:56:47,079
takes an age to.

2490
01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 1: Really hit any well momentum like fend You Off Killing Over?

2491
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,520
Are You the only one now? All in the beginning

2492
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:56,359
all really like langued songs and it just one now

2493
01:56:56,479 --> 01:56:58,319
is like feels like it's trying to aim to be

2494
01:56:58,439 --> 01:57:01,439
very serene and transcendental, sort of a ballad approach that's

2495
01:57:01,479 --> 01:57:03,520
also incorporated some of those Black netal leads into it,

2496
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:05,439
but it feels like it never actually hits that jump

2497
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:06,960
and it and then it just kind of fades out

2498
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,359
and I don't know this. I think this is the

2499
01:57:09,399 --> 01:57:11,399
first Eleonarder record that I could and the last one

2500
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,520
I liked, I was just sort of a bit confused

2501
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:14,760
by it. This one, I think is the first one

2502
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:16,479
I would say, I don't think I liked this record

2503
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:17,159
very much at all.

2504
01:57:18,439 --> 01:57:20,399
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, So it's not just Mu's gone a bit cold, No,

2505
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:21,920
I think it's I think it's a bit of a dud,

2506
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,520
like because because I don't want to do it, because

2507
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:27,159
I know how like world regards Ardo Art, and I

2508
01:57:27,239 --> 01:57:28,960
was like, I know something this had done.

2509
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,319
Speaker 4: I thought, maybe this is just, you know, not to

2510
01:57:31,399 --> 01:57:32,000
my taste.

2511
01:57:32,199 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 3: But and again, there are moments in the sun I

2512
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:37,079
think are still really great. I think, I say, clowing

2513
01:57:37,159 --> 01:57:41,039
Out is like this really menacing evil song that I'm

2514
01:57:41,039 --> 01:57:42,600
just like, I would like to be more of that

2515
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,800
on there, and even some of like the more delicate

2516
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:48,840
stuff I think is like I think Killanova is quite

2517
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,319
cool actually, like with that kind of like minimalist groove

2518
01:57:51,439 --> 01:57:54,439
and those like percaussive elements that kind of drive it forward.

2519
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:57,319
There's something kind of infectious to it. But it wasn't

2520
01:57:57,399 --> 01:57:59,800
wowing me, I guess, is what I think the problem.

2521
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, if both me and you are sort of

2522
01:58:02,079 --> 01:58:04,239
a bit more like, what's going on really on this record.

2523
01:58:04,399 --> 01:58:06,680
I'm curious as to, you know, Elliott's position in terms

2524
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:08,960
of like this may be drawing you back in to Zeelandard.

2525
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I was going to say. I'm

2526
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:14,520
not sure I would even go that far because I

2527
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:18,039
really don't care about Stranger Fruit or the Self Titled

2528
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:19,439
or that much at all. So me say this is

2529
01:58:19,479 --> 01:58:22,000
my favorite record of there since then, isn't this sunny

2530
01:58:22,079 --> 01:58:25,800
me saying this is a brilliant record, and I love

2531
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:27,720
what Zi Leonardo are doing here. What I do like

2532
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:30,760
about it is it has the return of something which

2533
01:58:31,399 --> 01:58:34,039
I think was really missing on those two records, and

2534
01:58:34,119 --> 01:58:37,399
that's menace, which even though I think this maybe goes

2535
01:58:37,479 --> 01:58:40,960
further down the sort of smooth R and B thing

2536
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:44,479
which I'm not always that keen on when Zi Leonardo

2537
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,479
do it, the fact that they're able to blend that

2538
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:52,279
with some degree of threat I think makes a big

2539
01:58:52,319 --> 01:58:55,119
difference because kind of the inverse of what we were

2540
01:58:55,159 --> 01:58:58,399
saying earlier about how by bringing in alternative metal and

2541
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,039
industrial and that sort of thing, they seem more avant garde.

2542
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,039
There's a weird thing that happens on some of these

2543
01:59:05,079 --> 01:59:10,000
songs where by combining really disparate things they seem more linear,

2544
01:59:10,359 --> 01:59:13,520
like fends you off combines. There's bits of black metal

2545
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:17,680
in there, there's soul, there's post rock, but for a

2546
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:19,399
lot of it just sounds like imagine dragons to me,

2547
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:23,279
and that's a kind of overused slight against anything that

2548
01:59:23,359 --> 01:59:26,880
sounds Bombasted's art. It sounds like imagine dragons, but that's

2549
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:31,079
really what it sounded like, and that being sort of

2550
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:34,960
the first song proper, I was, oh no, not more

2551
01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:36,680
of this, But there is stuff that comes in later

2552
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:39,720
which wins me around, like are you the only one?

2553
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 1: Now?

2554
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: I do quite like it sounds like happy songs for

2555
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:48,279
happy people, Ira Magua, and when the vocals come in,

2556
01:59:48,359 --> 01:59:51,119
I think it really does sound like a fully realized

2557
01:59:51,159 --> 01:59:55,279
song and building to that explosive trouble black metal thing,

2558
01:59:56,439 --> 01:59:59,880
all the motifs that you know initially we sens stage

2559
02:00:00,199 --> 02:00:03,319
underneath that. I think that's a sign of where Ze

2560
02:00:03,359 --> 02:00:06,359
Leonard's strengths lie. And there's other moments on the record

2561
02:00:06,399 --> 02:00:09,439
which show them experimenting with stuff that I think really works.

2562
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:11,760
Clawing Out, I think is one of the best songs

2563
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,840
on the album, kind of a noise metal song, which

2564
02:00:14,439 --> 02:00:17,119
I don't think they've been doing too much of, and

2565
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,399
these kind of nervous type whispers from Manuel punctuated by

2566
02:00:22,039 --> 02:00:25,359
what I can only really call grunts. Again, it's kind

2567
02:00:25,399 --> 02:00:29,439
of surprising out their ideas clashing together in a way

2568
02:00:29,479 --> 02:00:32,399
that sounds fresh again, and like I say, it sounds menacing.

2569
02:00:33,279 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think production wise it's a bit dead and

2570
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,840
like a little flat this album. And I don't wait,

2571
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:41,680
I think those those moments where I like they do

2572
02:00:42,079 --> 02:00:45,119
try things that I think normally would really work. I

2573
02:00:45,159 --> 02:00:47,800
think again clawing Out, you both mentioned it, and it

2574
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:49,600
is it's like track sick Sin. It's the first song

2575
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:51,279
where we get like a real bit of bustle. Really,

2576
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,720
but I even that ironically, I think it feels like

2577
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,520
it's pulling its punches because it's going for that sort

2578
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:57,680
of lurking sin as the whispering thing, and the muddy

2579
02:00:57,720 --> 02:00:59,199
production doesn't really do with any favors, and it's like,

2580
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:00,720
you're so long to the record at this point, and

2581
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:04,000
even what feels like a track that would again put

2582
02:01:04,039 --> 02:01:06,199
some style into it kind of feels a little bit

2583
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:08,479
wet and a little bit brought back. And you know,

2584
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:11,159
killing Over has that bass groove and that proagagama that

2585
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:12,319
reminds me a little bit of what we were going

2586
02:01:12,359 --> 02:01:14,439
to talk about with the Lepres album, and it's kind

2587
02:01:14,479 --> 02:01:16,359
of cool and how it builds, but it's less fully

2588
02:01:16,439 --> 02:01:18,840
formed and much less well rounded in the sound. And

2589
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:22,119
the guitars on this record overall sound really toned back,

2590
02:01:22,399 --> 02:01:31,039
and the drums have that like again slightly flat dead,

2591
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,640
you know, not a lot of sparkle. Adds onto the

2592
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,960
tour and they get a song like Disease, which for me,

2593
02:01:36,039 --> 02:01:38,199
the melodies on these songs aren't even really big anymore,

2594
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:39,760
like they initially made their name on like you know,

2595
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,960
Devili is fun and all that stuff, and it's Disease

2596
02:01:43,039 --> 02:01:44,720
is just sort of like shuffling about looking down at

2597
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:47,279
its feet, and that's like a kind of baffling, kind

2598
02:01:47,319 --> 02:01:49,880
of bad song that doesn't really go anywhere. And I'm

2599
02:01:49,880 --> 02:01:51,760
a bit confused to what the audience is I suppose,

2600
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:54,159
because like is this meant for be for like like

2601
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,199
like Tool fans or Porcupine Tree fans or whatever. Is this?

2602
02:01:57,399 --> 02:01:59,119
You know, the last album felt like it was a

2603
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:00,800
little bit more for like for Call fans or something.

2604
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,640
Is this for like post metal fans? What's really the deal,

2605
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,680
because to my years, it doesn't. It's not exemplary progmat

2606
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:08,960
or like the former because it's so kind of curtailed.

2607
02:02:09,279 --> 02:02:12,119
It never really goes all out enough to be particularly

2608
02:02:12,199 --> 02:02:14,359
pleasing for like the big festival metal crowds like the

2609
02:02:14,439 --> 02:02:15,920
last album felt that was kind of working for. I

2610
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,199
find this really frustrating a listen where it doesn't really

2611
02:02:18,199 --> 02:02:18,880
tick any box.

2612
02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned like disease there to me because

2613
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,880
that song like it's almost kind of like this sort

2614
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,000
of laid back desert rock kind of thing going on

2615
02:02:25,079 --> 02:02:28,119
to which should I think quite soups with his vocals

2616
02:02:28,119 --> 02:02:31,920
on that, but it doesn't really burst to life like

2617
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,239
it should do. On that chorus, like it feels like

2618
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:35,479
I was like, oh, the course coming cool, and then

2619
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:37,359
it's kind of like I do one if the production

2620
02:02:37,479 --> 02:02:39,359
is a bigger problem way right it thing makes things

2621
02:02:39,399 --> 02:02:41,920
sound quite flat. I mean I think on the heavier

2622
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:43,960
songs again, like clowing Out and Frill are the moments

2623
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,319
where I do think it does hit on something thrill

2624
02:02:46,439 --> 02:02:48,840
not being as menacing. But it's kind of almost like

2625
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:52,039
this of Rob Zombies, kind of like industrial stomper that

2626
02:02:52,119 --> 02:02:54,720
feels like it should be the crowd pleas on the album.

2627
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:56,960
I think, like those moments are cool, but they're a

2628
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:58,880
bit sporadic and fume and far between us to the

2629
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:00,600
moment where I kind of go like, that's that's a

2630
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:02,279
big I do really like.

2631
02:03:03,399 --> 02:03:05,960
Speaker 2: I've long thought one of the weaknesses of Zelenard is

2632
02:03:06,079 --> 02:03:08,600
the vocal hooks. And it's funny you mentioned Thrill because

2633
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:11,479
there's parts of that song I think are great, but

2634
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:15,079
I think because it's not that hooky, but it sounds anthemic,

2635
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:18,359
it hits me the way that the music on FIFA does.

2636
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:21,279
Where do you know what I mean?

2637
02:03:22,039 --> 02:03:23,359
Speaker 1: This is not the album with the Bunch of Day

2638
02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:29,079
that I was going to compare to FIFA, But like you.

2639
02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:31,359
Speaker 2: Know, you know, you load that game up and there's

2640
02:03:31,479 --> 02:03:33,520
the same songs playing over and over in the background,

2641
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:37,399
and they're kind of deliberately chosen to not be annoying.

2642
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:42,239
They're just sort of generally peppy, hooky songs that sound

2643
02:03:42,319 --> 02:03:45,359
on pemic and that's kind of what some of.

2644
02:03:45,399 --> 02:03:46,000
Speaker 3: This sounds like.

2645
02:03:49,039 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 1: You're sorry, we're just watching your real time. Sam realized

2646
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:57,079
what's happening in more of the but yeah, to get

2647
02:03:57,119 --> 02:03:59,239
back on track for this one, Yeah, I think, you know,

2648
02:03:59,239 --> 02:04:01,760
there's a couple of songs of that. The Thrill I

2649
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,880
think is one of the better songs. Sugar Coat is

2650
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:05,760
like a weir them, like a weird like regular John

2651
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:09,000
Queens of Stone Age thing. Hide and Shade maybe more

2652
02:04:09,039 --> 02:04:10,880
sort of like old school Zeleanardo sounds a little bit,

2653
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:13,680
but they don't really felt they're supported by much, even

2654
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:17,079
the way like album paced, Like you know, they they've

2655
02:04:17,079 --> 02:04:19,600
always got these really long track lists past the first

2656
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:22,520
album that can feel a bit jumble for me, And

2657
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:24,159
this one is really the one where I have no

2658
02:04:24,319 --> 02:04:25,880
sense of what the arc of the album is and

2659
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:27,880
how tracks are supposed to kind of interact with the other,

2660
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:29,039
and it feels a bit like a grab bag of

2661
02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:31,800
demos or something. And the way that like Thrill is

2662
02:04:31,880 --> 02:04:34,279
like again an okay song that's just followed by a

2663
02:04:34,399 --> 02:04:36,439
useless synth interlude. It's like there's no sense of pacing

2664
02:04:36,479 --> 02:04:39,720
here at all. And again Hide and Shade, it's got

2665
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:41,359
a bit more thunder in it, but it barely seems

2666
02:04:41,359 --> 02:04:43,199
to like progress as a song at all. It's pretty

2667
02:04:43,239 --> 02:04:47,640
first draft. And I at the start of this decade,

2668
02:04:49,319 --> 02:04:52,800
the experimentation of Zeleanarder I found to be a little

2669
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,760
bit less complimentary to an overall product to where it

2670
02:04:55,880 --> 02:05:00,199
started out, and I find it hard to grow ask

2671
02:05:00,279 --> 02:05:02,359
a full picture of what they're really going for as

2672
02:05:02,439 --> 02:05:05,640
they keep branching further and further out this one, I'm

2673
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:07,640
just lost as to what they're really doing. And I

2674
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,680
respect the progression and how the band has gone beyond

2675
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,880
what the initial gimmick was kind of presented as being,

2676
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:15,680
but I don't think artistically it's particularly coherent or making

2677
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:17,920
a lot of sense at this stage. And again, the

2678
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,680
last album I think is good, but it's just sort

2679
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:23,800
of again diving into the other direction. This one going

2680
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:25,560
in a different direction again, but just I think it's

2681
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:26,560
a bit of a turkey, I'm afraid.

2682
02:05:27,039 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 3: I think a lack of cohesion is definitely something I

2683
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,119
can sort of see. Like with the sequencing, that was

2684
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:32,520
one of the things that show me immediately were like

2685
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,199
the opening track kind of felt like it was being

2686
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:37,960
this intro, but then it doesn't actually lead into the

2687
02:05:38,079 --> 02:05:40,680
first like the following song. It just mean that there's

2688
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:42,800
quite a disjointed field of this album, which I think

2689
02:05:43,079 --> 02:05:44,880
again might be where some of my problems come from

2690
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:48,319
in that there's no mood to kind of immerse yourself in,

2691
02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:50,600
which is why I think should be like one of

2692
02:05:50,640 --> 02:05:53,199
the things Leleonardo should really be going for his immersion

2693
02:05:53,279 --> 02:05:55,199
and mood and like kind of selling a vibe to you.

2694
02:05:56,199 --> 02:05:58,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I'm probably the most positive

2695
02:05:58,399 --> 02:06:00,479
about the struggle of the three of us, but I'm

2696
02:06:00,479 --> 02:06:02,880
not that passionate. Put that much of a defense because

2697
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,039
even if it's my favorite Lenada record since Devil is fine,

2698
02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:09,439
maybe that's more of an indictment on me not really

2699
02:06:09,479 --> 02:06:13,800
feeling the two in between, because really my main positive

2700
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,880
takeaway is there's some ideas that I think are interesting,

2701
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:19,039
Like Sugarcoat. I actually think it's quite a cool idea

2702
02:06:19,079 --> 02:06:22,399
because it's a kind of it's an oxbo doing a

2703
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:25,880
funk song, which I don't know that seems quite novel.

2704
02:06:26,279 --> 02:06:30,760
But yeah, a great deal of this feels like potential

2705
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:33,680
rather than the finished article, And I don't know if

2706
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:35,039
that's a great thing to be saying on a band

2707
02:06:35,079 --> 02:06:35,920
on their fourth record.

2708
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there are the people who are really

2709
02:06:39,399 --> 02:06:41,680
into this band, fucking like are obsessed with them. So

2710
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:42,880
I bet there will be a bunch of people right

2711
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,239
now who think that, you know, we're being harsh but

2712
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:48,600
we can help we feel and that's the Zeleanarda and grief.

2713
02:06:49,239 --> 02:06:51,800
And so we move on to uh oh, I wonder

2714
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:54,760
what it could it be? It's Twin Atlantic and Meltdown.

2715
02:06:55,319 --> 02:06:57,760
And here we are once again reviewing an album from

2716
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:00,039
a twenty ten's brett rock band. It might not be

2717
02:07:00,119 --> 02:07:01,960
a surprise that this is primarily here for Sam's sake,

2718
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:03,960
although again I'm sure that there will be Twin Atlantic

2719
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:07,199
fans out there. Sam, Twin Atlantic. The vibe going into

2720
02:07:07,239 --> 02:07:09,479
this album, and you know the reason it's been given

2721
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:11,159
a place here is that you know, you and your

2722
02:07:11,279 --> 02:07:14,399
kind were were more excited going into this Twin Atlantic

2723
02:07:14,439 --> 02:07:16,760
album than you've seemed in a while. They have been

2724
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,000
doing kind of weird rope stuff in the Wilderness for

2725
02:07:19,039 --> 02:07:21,720
several years, but the singles from this album, particularly Stuck

2726
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:23,720
in a Car with You when that one dropped being

2727
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,720
heavily described as like a return to four for them.

2728
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:29,199
So this is you know, you were hoping a case

2729
02:07:29,239 --> 02:07:30,760
of one of these brit rock bands back in the day,

2730
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:32,800
you were a fan of getting back in touch with

2731
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:35,840
what you liked about them. A truth became moment if

2732
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:38,479
you were That's an accurate descriptor of events, isn't it?

2733
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:41,760
Speaker 3: Yes? No, that is absolutely I mean again, like I

2734
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:44,840
would say, like the last eight years in particular have

2735
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:46,520
not been kind to tow Atlantic fans.

2736
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:49,399
Speaker 4: Their last good album was in twenty fourteen.

2737
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:53,439
Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen was when the decline started, and it hit

2738
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:57,920
rock bottom in twenty twenty two with is It Transparency? Whatever?

2739
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:01,079
That album wherever that awful or awful album from twenty

2740
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:02,880
twenty two is with get Famous on It?

2741
02:08:03,039 --> 02:08:06,199
Speaker 1: Like like that is like a genuine milkshake album, is

2742
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:06,560
what I know?

2743
02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 3: Is like yeah, like that album is terrible. I like,

2744
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:14,319
you know, I didn't think like them Glad and uh

2745
02:08:15,159 --> 02:08:17,800
power what I didn't eve those would be goodbye because

2746
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:19,079
you know like there were moments when that I didn't

2747
02:08:19,079 --> 02:08:22,760
think we're like terrible. So I was always like, ah, man,

2748
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:26,039
twin landsk hat done. This is just a bit embarrassing now,

2749
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:28,640
like the passion is gone. They're doing this kind of

2750
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:31,560
like they were caught up in the Royal bloodification of

2751
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:34,479
twenty ten's brit Rock and they chase that that lane

2752
02:08:35,079 --> 02:08:38,079
to its absolute like bottom of the barrel on on

2753
02:08:38,199 --> 02:08:42,119
Transparency just a terrible album. So I I'd written off

2754
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:44,479
to an Atlantic. I had absolutely written off caring about

2755
02:08:44,479 --> 02:08:46,520
this band. So when Stuck in the Car with You

2756
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:50,039
came out and I was like, oh, oh, they've reconnected

2757
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:52,439
with that thing that they were good at, which is

2758
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:56,840
kind of like just like right, uplifting pop rock from

2759
02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:57,560
the twenty tens.

2760
02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:00,800
Speaker 4: Cool, If they're going to do that again, I'll take

2761
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:01,239
more of it.

2762
02:09:01,439 --> 02:09:05,640
Speaker 3: So I actually was kind of looking forward to this

2763
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:07,479
album because I think like the first two to Atlantic

2764
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:10,359
in particular are some of the best. They are abound

2765
02:09:10,359 --> 02:09:12,159
that people who didn't like twenty tens brit rock would

2766
02:09:12,199 --> 02:09:13,359
kind of go, you know what, they're on the all

2767
02:09:13,439 --> 02:09:15,880
right ones? Actually, Like that's why those early to Atlantic

2768
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:18,000
records put them in that position, which is why I

2769
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:21,000
think it was a real shame to see them go

2770
02:09:21,159 --> 02:09:22,199
in the direction they did.

2771
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:25,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can certainly you know a test to that

2772
02:09:25,159 --> 02:09:27,880
being a general sort of theme at large, Elliott, My

2773
02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:30,119
position not Twin Atlantic is that I don't like them.

2774
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:32,520
I never have, but just for the sake of the

2775
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:34,880
sliding scale of these bands, right, Twin Atlantic at their

2776
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:37,279
popular peak, so that is free in the great divide,

2777
02:09:38,760 --> 02:09:40,920
they are one of these bands I do not have

2778
02:09:41,039 --> 02:09:44,159
the most I if right like they are way too

2779
02:09:44,359 --> 02:09:46,560
like Bland and Podgy for my taste. Really, I've seen

2780
02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:48,239
them live like twice. I don't really know why, but

2781
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:53,039
I am not one hundred percent without respect for Twin

2782
02:09:53,079 --> 02:09:55,640
Atlantic at their peak. I suppose like they're not human

2783
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:59,039
at six, they're not the Blackout whatever. I don't care

2784
02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:00,960
for them, but I think more I just don't care

2785
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:02,960
about them, and I don't pare them pay them much mind.

2786
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:06,680
Those albums, as Sam was saying, sometimes held up by

2787
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:09,000
people who generally don't give a damn about that scene

2788
02:10:09,239 --> 02:10:11,800
as ones they will take because that is a bit

2789
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:13,520
of a theme that does exist out there. Are you

2790
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:15,039
at all inclined to do that?

2791
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:21,319
Speaker 2: If yeah, listen, it's it's not my sort of thing.

2792
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:24,079
I'll be diplomatic, it's it's never been my kind of thing.

2793
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:30,319
And to ain Atlantic, they have some nice melodies. I

2794
02:10:30,439 --> 02:10:33,680
find them to be completely toothless, which isn't necessarily a

2795
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:35,800
bad thing, But if you're not swept up in the

2796
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:40,479
songs of a toothless band, I find I'm very left

2797
02:10:40,479 --> 02:10:42,399
with very little else to hang my hat on.

2798
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 1: Is that What I was asking about was again, like

2799
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:47,199
they're sort of the ones where people Champion. So is

2800
02:10:47,239 --> 02:10:50,079
this saying that you've never ever been into like Atlantic.

2801
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 2: No, it's not because I think they're terrible or I

2802
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:55,479
think they don't write good songs at all. It's just,

2803
02:10:56,119 --> 02:10:58,479
you know, if you brought me only Revolutions this week,

2804
02:10:58,600 --> 02:11:00,399
I probably wouldn't have all that much much to say

2805
02:11:00,399 --> 02:11:04,479
about it. I'm just things of this kind generally don't

2806
02:11:04,479 --> 02:11:08,920
appeal to me, but Twin Atlantic are kind of for me,

2807
02:11:09,199 --> 02:11:13,800
mainly notable by their they kind of how uninteresting they

2808
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:15,640
are to me, where something like you me at six

2809
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:18,039
it can be funny, do you know what I mean?

2810
02:11:18,319 --> 02:11:22,279
Speaker 4: Or it can be funny when they on on transparency

2811
02:11:22,319 --> 02:11:23,199
they can still be funny.

2812
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:26,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'll love to check that out, because this is

2813
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:32,880
I just I feel basically nothing towards this music. You

2814
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:34,920
might as well be asking me to review a Cotton

2815
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:35,560
Bud like.

2816
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 3: It's like, I wasn't expecting you guys to be in

2817
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:42,720
on this as much, but I was gonna hope you

2818
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:45,359
released some kind of you know, it's.

2819
02:11:45,399 --> 02:11:47,640
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the review I think to some degree

2820
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:49,239
was going to lean one or two ways, maybe depend

2821
02:11:49,279 --> 02:11:51,720
on when Elliot landed, because you won't be surprised to

2822
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:57,439
hear that. I think this album is boring, so fucking boring,

2823
02:11:58,039 --> 02:12:04,000
get a personality. This new is so flavorless, colorless tap

2824
02:12:04,119 --> 02:12:08,119
water and unbuttered piece of bread for tea boring. So

2825
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:09,560
to start with, Sam, what do you think about it?

2826
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 4: I think I don't think this is as good as

2827
02:12:13,239 --> 02:12:15,079
their sort of like first two albums.

2828
02:12:15,159 --> 02:12:18,640
Speaker 3: I don't think, Yeah, I like, but I do think

2829
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:23,359
like as an album, I mean, it is a big

2830
02:12:23,439 --> 02:12:24,560
improvement on where they were.

2831
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:27,920
Speaker 4: It's not kind of like return to my head before,

2832
02:12:28,319 --> 02:12:30,880
but I mean there are a couple of like really good.

2833
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:33,000
Speaker 3: Songs I do like a lot that kind of remind

2834
02:12:33,039 --> 02:12:36,359
me why I like Twin Atlantic, Like I'm happy to

2835
02:12:36,439 --> 02:12:39,239
go with nice pop rock music when it's done to

2836
02:12:39,359 --> 02:12:42,039
a do again, like when you look at what's going

2837
02:12:42,039 --> 02:12:43,680
on in the sort of the pop rock sphere, the

2838
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:46,600
pop way sort of laylight as now like they're fuck

2839
02:12:46,640 --> 02:12:48,279
all good stuff going on there a lot of the time.

2840
02:12:48,399 --> 02:12:52,640
Speaker 4: Now Twinlantic at their best on this album, do Hit Onto.

2841
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:57,199
Speaker 3: I think like just really fun, quite sort of bright, uplifting,

2842
02:12:57,520 --> 02:12:59,640
catchy pop rock songs to me, which again, if you're

2843
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:01,439
not if you do find that just to be a

2844
02:13:01,479 --> 02:13:03,239
bit too pleasant and nice that you're not gonna go

2845
02:13:03,319 --> 02:13:05,760
a bit fair enough. But I do think like, for

2846
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:07,720
the very least, the opening two songs are Sleeping Stuck

2847
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,840
in a Car with You, they really hit that that spot.

2848
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,319
For me, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is wicked, but

2849
02:13:14,119 --> 02:13:17,199
like it doesn't it doesn't maintain that level of quality

2850
02:13:17,279 --> 02:13:18,479
for Out. I will I will admit that.

2851
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:21,560
Speaker 1: Okay, what are the you know, because again, those are

2852
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:23,680
the two singles that you've mentioned that initially people were like, oh, hey,

2853
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:26,840
Atlantica Back, is there anything you know deeper into the

2854
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:28,960
album that you hadn't already heard that is like, ah, man,

2855
02:13:29,039 --> 02:13:32,680
this is like genuinely among the higher quality of what

2856
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:34,560
this band have you know, produced.

2857
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:37,119
Speaker 3: I think there's like a bit in the middle of

2858
02:13:37,159 --> 02:13:38,960
that I said, get Out and the title track, which

2859
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,560
are kind of like charge Up being on them. Swin

2860
02:13:42,479 --> 02:13:44,840
always quite another sort of the nicest slower ballady songs.

2861
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:47,960
I think that's another very nice example of that. Get

2862
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:51,199
Out is like just like bubblegum power pop, like under

2863
02:13:51,239 --> 02:13:54,119
three minutes, but it's all bright melodies and there's a

2864
02:13:54,159 --> 02:13:56,239
great bridge for me that goes into the final course

2865
02:13:56,239 --> 02:14:00,079
that lifts it that I think is really nice. I

2866
02:14:00,119 --> 02:14:02,600
think world Class Entertainment is actually doing the thing they've

2867
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:05,640
been doing for the last two albums. In a way,

2868
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:08,760
I'm like, ah, this is actually like not totally shit.

2869
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:12,399
So you know, positives there, I guess like taking to

2870
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:15,720
you'd spent a decades doing terribly and actually managing to

2871
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:18,159
get something out of it. I quite like that song,

2872
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:20,960
I think so in Texas the Coast song Sam with

2873
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:25,439
an acoustic guitar, nice ballad, I'll go with that. There's

2874
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,399
very little on this album I actually I dislike. I

2875
02:14:28,479 --> 02:14:30,479
think this is the nice, pleasant listen that I can

2876
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:31,880
stick on and kind of go like when I'm in

2877
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:36,079
the mood for just pleasant pop rock music with the

2878
02:14:36,119 --> 02:14:38,159
occasional kind of like John I'd say, is a bit

2879
02:14:38,199 --> 02:14:39,960
of a banger. This album hits the spot for me.

2880
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:42,000
Tell me why it's bad.

2881
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:44,359
Speaker 1: Well, I want I want to milk a little bit

2882
02:14:44,439 --> 02:14:47,159
more out of what potentially is you know of quality

2883
02:14:47,279 --> 02:14:49,319
in there? First, Elliott, did you have any sort of

2884
02:14:49,399 --> 02:14:51,279
moments that stuck out? Was like, oh, yeah, that's decent?

2885
02:14:51,319 --> 02:14:52,960
What is uh? Yes?

2886
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:54,520
Speaker 2: So I didn't hear any of the singles going into

2887
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,600
something in journal or less as blind as one could

2888
02:14:58,199 --> 02:15:00,479
Asleep I think has some really nice melody. It got

2889
02:15:00,479 --> 02:15:02,520
stuck in my head. The chorus on Harder, I think

2890
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:08,880
is strong. Yeah, you know, nothing revolutionary, but just classically

2891
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:12,479
nice pop songwriting done to a decent standard. Get Out

2892
02:15:12,680 --> 02:15:15,520
has some nice melodies. I think Lyft has a nice

2893
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:18,560
sort of peppy gate to It bounces along quite pleasantly.

2894
02:15:19,079 --> 02:15:21,520
And again, one of the things I do quite like

2895
02:15:21,560 --> 02:15:25,079
about Twin Atlantic is his voice, which you know that

2896
02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:26,880
get Famous song. I can see that it has been

2897
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:31,079
used for evil, But listening to this, I think it

2898
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:35,720
does a great deal to make them feel somewhat less faceless.

2899
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,199
I think I think a major part of their identity

2900
02:15:39,159 --> 02:15:40,960
rests on that, and I've heard people say it restricts

2901
02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:44,520
their appeal if Twin Atlantic had a more faceless voice

2902
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:47,399
than this, and it wasn't tied quite clearly to a

2903
02:15:47,439 --> 02:15:53,079
distinct region they sometimes I just think they sound the script.

2904
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:56,600
Speaker 3: That's because I agree, because I think, like again, the

2905
02:15:56,640 --> 02:15:58,239
problem with the last couple of albums is they were

2906
02:15:58,359 --> 02:16:00,720
using Sam's voice for evil, as you put it, like,

2907
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:03,600
they weren't. They weren't deploying him to the best he

2908
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:05,199
can hit, the best he can do. He's when he's

2909
02:16:05,319 --> 02:16:10,000
going like big sort of bright pop melodies. Again, that accent.

2910
02:16:10,119 --> 02:16:11,880
You can love it, I hate it, but it is distinct.

2911
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:13,359
It is it was one of the things that did

2912
02:16:13,399 --> 02:16:16,159
immediately mark them out from a lot of their peers,

2913
02:16:16,199 --> 02:16:19,159
where it wasn't this kind of like like only self

2914
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:21,680
seriouskin like faux American accent sort of thing that they're

2915
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:24,600
all trying to do, like was big and Scottish and

2916
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:27,439
like right, and that was one of the things. And

2917
02:16:27,479 --> 02:16:28,880
I think there's there's a load of that all over

2918
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:31,760
this album. Again, like I don't think I don't think

2919
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,079
it goes. I don't think they quite match the first

2920
02:16:34,159 --> 02:16:35,879
two songs. I think that is where they really hit

2921
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:38,120
that sweet spot. Is it does kind of like put

2922
02:16:38,159 --> 02:16:40,520
its best foot forward and then kind of like settle

2923
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:44,479
into pleasant versions of that sort of thing, which again

2924
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:46,840
because where twin Lands could beIN so so.

2925
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:49,520
Speaker 1: This in terms of like comebacks, this is not like

2926
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:52,719
recapturing the glory days of like the Great Divide, but

2927
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:54,399
it's more like, oh, it's the best thing they've done

2928
02:16:54,639 --> 02:16:55,840
since then, it's.

2929
02:16:55,719 --> 02:16:57,440
Speaker 3: The best time they've done in the decade. I think

2930
02:16:57,520 --> 02:17:00,200
at its height, it does come pretty close that were

2931
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:02,520
those first two songs, but as a body of work

2932
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:04,319
it doesn't quite hold up.

2933
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned truth to Kay is a bit of

2934
02:17:06,440 --> 02:17:09,079
a joke just because the narrative there was, oh my god,

2935
02:17:09,159 --> 02:17:10,680
you me at six have released their best album in

2936
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:11,680
ten years, because it I.

2937
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:13,840
Speaker 3: Mean, they had on that album well, but it was.

2938
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:16,319
Speaker 1: Because it featured half an album that was just back

2939
02:17:16,360 --> 02:17:18,520
to the boring old top man slot that they poisoned

2940
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:20,959
UK music with in the first place, and then half

2941
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:23,239
an album that not even the people saying the album

2942
02:17:23,319 --> 02:17:25,920
was good could realistically defend because it had some of

2943
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,280
the most embarrassing songs of that year and two bad

2944
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:31,319
songs on it as it even every time that I

2945
02:17:31,360 --> 02:17:34,440
had to like entertain the idea that the album wasn't embarrassing,

2946
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:36,399
a piece of my soul diyed, like, what are we

2947
02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:39,440
doing here? This isn't that bad because the half that

2948
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:42,120
was a shit show is not present, right instead, this

2949
02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:45,639
is just the boring half. Because I have a similar

2950
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:49,639
feeling of I can't bring myself to entertain this much

2951
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:52,200
when it is giving me so little, and like, I

2952
02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:54,280
know that I'm just not the guy to review this album,

2953
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:56,639
like if this was only me in my YouTube channel,

2954
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:58,600
or something. I wouldn't bother reviewing this and I'd leave

2955
02:17:58,639 --> 02:17:59,840
it to the people who who care about it. But

2956
02:18:00,239 --> 02:18:02,120
you know, I think you, as an album, you do

2957
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:04,520
have to give me something to talk about, and I've

2958
02:18:04,559 --> 02:18:07,079
just got nothing with this. It hasn't fulfilled its side

2959
02:18:07,079 --> 02:18:09,440
of the contract with me. It's not given me anything

2960
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:11,559
to eat, it's not giving me anything of substance to

2961
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:13,200
comment on. I think Stuck in a Car with You

2962
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:15,479
is like an okay Foo Fighter song, you know, which

2963
02:18:15,559 --> 02:18:16,760
is what all these bands want to do. That's a

2964
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:19,879
high as our ambitions go. That if that's what you want, decent, right.

2965
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:23,239
I get that. I don't really, you know, like the

2966
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:26,159
song that much, probably a notable part because I've never

2967
02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:28,360
really liked Sam that trusty as a singer. I find

2968
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:32,200
him to be very thin and sharp vocally, a bit

2969
02:18:32,280 --> 02:18:34,079
like he's jabbing pins in your ears. And I think

2970
02:18:34,159 --> 02:18:36,959
production wise, I don't like this how this sounds much either,

2971
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:38,760
and it kind of makes it worse. So it kind

2972
02:18:38,799 --> 02:18:42,799
of overall has this like thin, sort of shrill quality

2973
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:45,120
that locks me out from really feeling that warmth that

2974
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:46,760
I think is the major sort of selling point of

2975
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:49,760
Twin Atlantic. But that song is as good as it gets.

2976
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:52,239
The rest of this I can barely recall a thing

2977
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:54,959
because it's fake rock songs for office parties and FIFA sessions.

2978
02:18:55,079 --> 02:18:59,159
I just think it is so profoundly flavorless and tepid,

2979
02:18:59,239 --> 02:19:00,959
and like, you know, we laugh at stuff like us

2980
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:03,479
butt rock, like Godsmack or whatever, just for writing the

2981
02:19:03,559 --> 02:19:07,520
same profoundly undemanding, simple minded songs over and over again.

2982
02:19:07,799 --> 02:19:09,399
I don't see how this is much different. He's just

2983
02:19:09,399 --> 02:19:12,319
got a Scottish accent and rocks less hard. It's match

2984
02:19:12,399 --> 02:19:16,280
Box twenty, you know. The first two songs are again fine.

2985
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:20,639
I don't when Sam, you know, being kind of irritating

2986
02:19:20,680 --> 02:19:24,239
a nasal. The maginay sin hook on the first song

2987
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:27,920
is so annoying. But again, those upbeat songs that start,

2988
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:31,399
I understand the appeal. Some of these songs are piss.

2989
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:36,200
World class entertainment is awful, the worst kind of like

2990
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:38,760
made for Match of the Day montage, dead behind the

2991
02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:42,159
eyes slop, then the lighter in the airshit on Sorry

2992
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:45,920
is just like sopping piss dribbling down their legs. There

2993
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:48,959
are songs that are like sub Jimmy World with all

2994
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,360
of the dynamics removed. So like all of the beautiful

2995
02:19:51,399 --> 02:19:53,719
production that they have and you're just left with I

2996
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,879
think like Harder or Meltdown just made me think of

2997
02:19:56,959 --> 02:20:00,200
like facsimile husks, like futures has been placed on some

2998
02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:02,360
kind of sandwich meat flattener and has come up to

2999
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:04,639
the other side looking like morph. It's just like rock

3000
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:08,760
music with every dimension of it extra removed, Like all

3001
02:20:08,840 --> 02:20:12,079
of the tangible edge and emotion and urgency and depth

3002
02:20:12,159 --> 02:20:14,239
or whatever else. They've sucked it all out, and what

3003
02:20:14,319 --> 02:20:16,719
they've left is a police outline of what a rock

3004
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:20,799
album once was. The songs have no defining features. And

3005
02:20:20,920 --> 02:20:23,079
my thing is always again with this lot, if this

3006
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:25,479
is a return to form, what have we returned to.

3007
02:20:26,319 --> 02:20:29,079
I've said this before jokingly, but the last Twin Atlantic album,

3008
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:32,200
the laughably stupid one, the one where at multiple points

3009
02:20:32,239 --> 02:20:34,319
on the album he asks you what your favorite milkshake is,

3010
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:38,000
and it has here you shut up, get farness. That

3011
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:41,120
is the first time that Twin Atlantic made me feel anything.

3012
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:43,920
It was shite, and I don't know what they were

3013
02:20:43,959 --> 02:20:46,479
trying to do, but it took up brain space in

3014
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:49,159
my head more than anything they'd ever done, and they'd

3015
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:52,120
started to mean something to me just through being funny,

3016
02:20:52,239 --> 02:20:54,479
right And obviously actual fans of them didn't like it

3017
02:20:54,559 --> 02:20:57,559
because it was shite. But now they've traded that back

3018
02:20:57,639 --> 02:21:01,000
in for nothing. And what you were saying about kind

3019
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:02,040
of like, oh, yeah, they've got a bit of a

3020
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:05,600
differentiating factor from the other ones. Beyond the fact that

3021
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:09,520
they are the Scottish one, what is their actual personality? Right, Like,

3022
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:12,520
when these bands retreat from their funny mistakes, they just

3023
02:21:12,680 --> 02:21:15,840
end up returning to like a vacuum. It's a scene

3024
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:18,680
of bands whose only creative moves is doing the most

3025
02:21:18,719 --> 02:21:21,040
embarrassing shit you've ever heard in your life. And then

3026
02:21:21,079 --> 02:21:24,239
they return to being completely anonymous and unambitious again. And

3027
02:21:24,799 --> 02:21:27,040
again I'm not saying it's actually better, but I would

3028
02:21:27,159 --> 02:21:29,559
rather listen to that last album than this again because

3029
02:21:29,879 --> 02:21:33,399
it made me feel something and that's all I can

3030
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:34,719
bring myself to feel about this album.

3031
02:21:35,319 --> 02:21:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean, one point you mentioned about, like the sort

3032
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:40,040
of the subject world of all these kind of interesting things,

3033
02:21:40,399 --> 02:21:42,600
that is one of the things that does really hold

3034
02:21:42,639 --> 02:21:45,000
this out back from being a proper return to form

3035
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:47,799
album for me is again those earlier records. They have

3036
02:21:48,079 --> 02:21:50,639
got that ambition, they have got that scope. I'm not

3037
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:53,799
saying it's it's Jimmy World level, but they are. You know,

3038
02:21:53,879 --> 02:21:55,959
they're playing with a bit more to them. There is

3039
02:21:56,040 --> 02:21:59,440
more substance, there's more sounds, they'll kind of weave in.

3040
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:02,120
They willing to kind of like put themselves out there,

3041
02:22:02,799 --> 02:22:06,120
and so that like they had strings and other interesting

3042
02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:08,280
bits going on on the ballads that that made them

3043
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:11,920
more than just kind of like these album sounds terrible.

3044
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm not making that up right. It sounds like so squashed.

3045
02:22:14,840 --> 02:22:16,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, I say it sounds terrible, but it does.

3046
02:22:17,159 --> 02:22:19,639
It does just kind of sound like they're doing what

3047
02:22:19,719 --> 02:22:23,040
they did before, but without the without the backing, without

3048
02:22:23,079 --> 02:22:26,200
the ambition, without the scope. So like I'm still getting

3049
02:22:26,239 --> 02:22:28,280
you know, the melodies and the nice sort of stuff

3050
02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:30,440
that I that I would turn into an Atlantic four.

3051
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:34,079
But it does like feel like a kind of like

3052
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:38,239
hard like I don't say, half past, but it doesn't

3053
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:41,879
have the like the same kind of swell and gusto

3054
02:22:42,040 --> 02:22:44,879
that like songs like Free and make Beast of Myself

3055
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:46,680
or Brothers and Sisters on those of the records did

3056
02:22:46,719 --> 02:22:49,959
where they did, they did sound like quite vast and

3057
02:22:51,639 --> 02:22:54,079
big for that that scene that they were more and

3058
02:22:54,319 --> 02:22:57,559
more were more ambitious and more impressive, more impressive. This

3059
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:00,840
is just kind of like the songs that are They're

3060
02:23:00,879 --> 02:23:03,319
good songs, they're nice songs, they're pleasant, but they don't

3061
02:23:03,719 --> 02:23:06,719
they just there's nothing to kind of set them apart

3062
02:23:06,799 --> 02:23:09,600
that makes them stick the memory beyond maybe the first

3063
02:23:09,639 --> 02:23:12,440
cup Boy or remember those first two really catch you

3064
02:23:12,520 --> 02:23:13,239
good singles.

3065
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:15,000
Speaker 1: For me, Yeah, I think you're you're echoing something that

3066
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,559
I was thinking, which is, you know, apart from maybe

3067
02:23:17,719 --> 02:23:19,719
you know, for fans of this band stuck in a

3068
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:21,120
car where you they were, oh yeah, that was a

3069
02:23:21,159 --> 02:23:24,520
really comeback single or whatever, but the album tracks on

3070
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:27,000
this no one will remember in a few months time,

3071
02:23:27,879 --> 02:23:32,079
and that's yeah. So it sounds like you speaking for

3072
02:23:32,079 --> 02:23:34,440
the twin Atlantic fans in the room, Sam, it sounds like,

3073
02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:35,879
you know, you like this album and that's good, but

3074
02:23:35,959 --> 02:23:39,440
maybe even not as much as it's It is like it's.

3075
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:41,559
Speaker 3: An album that I was like, I will take to

3076
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:45,399
Atlantic being pretty good again and not embarrassing that they

3077
02:23:45,399 --> 02:23:48,479
were on Transparency or Transparent. I can't remember what album

3078
02:23:48,559 --> 02:23:51,440
was called that terrible album, but I'm happy for them to,

3079
02:23:51,479 --> 02:23:54,000
you know, be from I'll stick this album on a

3080
02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:55,639
couple more times and kind of like maybe take a

3081
02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:58,280
few songs from it, but it is it is like

3082
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:01,040
it is the best some of the decade, but it

3083
02:24:01,159 --> 02:24:03,120
is not the kind of like grand return to form.

3084
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:04,559
I think that that is kind of just how it

3085
02:24:04,600 --> 02:24:06,200
has to be, which is which is a shame because

3086
02:24:06,559 --> 02:24:08,799
the initial promise kind of hinted that it could be.

3087
02:24:09,399 --> 02:24:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is one of the most teppid

3088
02:24:12,399 --> 02:24:16,159
bands in the UK, retreating from their moment of being

3089
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:20,360
funny and going back to just being a cotton buds

3090
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:24,719
as Elliot said, So there's to an Atlantic and meltdown

3091
02:24:25,239 --> 02:24:29,200
right more melodic rock. Double continues with Four Years Strong,

3092
02:24:29,639 --> 02:24:31,559
a band who have been part of the furniture in

3093
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:34,159
pop punk for ages. But we've spoken about them a

3094
02:24:34,200 --> 02:24:35,840
little bit more than usual in the last handful of

3095
02:24:35,879 --> 02:24:38,239
years because essentially pop punk has been in the shitter.

3096
02:24:38,440 --> 02:24:40,959
Even some of four Year Strong's more celebrated peers have

3097
02:24:41,159 --> 02:24:43,719
gone down the pan, and four Years Strong emerged as

3098
02:24:43,799 --> 02:24:46,520
the kind of unlikely champions are like, these bands can

3099
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:50,239
still be good, particularly on their twenty twenty album Brain Pain,

3100
02:24:50,479 --> 02:24:52,840
which I guess that was around the time where this

3101
02:24:52,920 --> 02:24:55,920
sort of renewed appreciation Four years Strong emerged because the

3102
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,000
album was a bit like an oasis in a desert

3103
02:24:58,040 --> 02:24:59,559
for this kind of stuff at that point in time.

3104
02:25:00,159 --> 02:25:02,120
So four Years Strong and their next moves, which have

3105
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:05,159
resulted in this album it's called Analysis Paralysis, have become

3106
02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:08,079
a bit more anticipated than people might have initially expected

3107
02:25:08,079 --> 02:25:08,600
a few years ago.

3108
02:25:08,680 --> 02:25:11,840
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think so. I mean like they basically,

3109
02:25:11,879 --> 02:25:14,479
you know, burst into the pop punk scene really promising start,

3110
02:25:14,879 --> 02:25:16,520
did one album that fucked it all up and had

3111
02:25:16,559 --> 02:25:19,120
to rebuild, and they're kind of the the kind of

3112
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:21,959
like rearrival the moment what was Brain Pain, which kind

3113
02:25:21,959 --> 02:25:23,879
of got out and going like, oh wait, fory Strong

3114
02:25:23,879 --> 02:25:26,479
are actually still really good and again like you're writers

3115
02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:28,360
because everything about else around them had just gone to

3116
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:32,520
complete shit. Like so it meant that people actually like

3117
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:34,639
have cared the most about four Years Strong than they

3118
02:25:34,680 --> 02:25:35,600
have in a good while.

3119
02:25:35,959 --> 02:25:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it's taken a little while as well,

3120
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:40,079
four years for this new album, but it's ended up

3121
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:42,840
being a decently anticipated album for the pop punkers out there.

3122
02:25:42,879 --> 02:25:46,079
You know, Elliott, Remind me again, we've just come off

3123
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:47,799
speaking about a couple bands where you're like, yeah, it's

3124
02:25:47,799 --> 02:25:50,319
not really aimed at me. Whatever, I can't imagine that

3125
02:25:50,559 --> 02:25:53,799
this particulous area of music would be you know, your thing,

3126
02:25:53,959 --> 02:25:55,920
but any you know, sort of appreciation for four years

3127
02:25:55,920 --> 02:25:58,000
strong as we are saying, one of the better bands

3128
02:25:58,040 --> 02:25:58,520
in that field.

3129
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:02,639
Speaker 2: I'm very casually familiar with their catalog. I've heard Enemy

3130
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:05,440
of the World and it was either the self titled

3131
02:26:05,559 --> 02:26:07,840
Brain Pain one of the two. I've heard one of

3132
02:26:07,879 --> 02:26:12,159
their later records, and yeah, you're it's not really my thing.

3133
02:26:12,920 --> 02:26:16,200
I don't love this stuff generally. I think we probably

3134
02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:18,719
agree the best band of this kind would be someone

3135
02:26:18,760 --> 02:26:21,239
like a Data remember in their pomp, who what I think,

3136
02:26:21,319 --> 02:26:25,000
have a handful of really really good songs. I don't

3137
02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:28,360
even particularly love them, So the best that a runner

3138
02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:30,520
up can hope for, I think is that I like them.

3139
02:26:31,559 --> 02:26:34,719
So going into this, the kind of what I hoped

3140
02:26:34,760 --> 02:26:37,639
for was I'd come away going that was a good record,

3141
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:39,920
that that was kind of as much as I would expect,

3142
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,280
and based on their like you say, their general reception

3143
02:26:43,319 --> 02:26:45,680
and the kind of hypes arounding them now, I kind

3144
02:26:45,719 --> 02:26:46,920
of presumed that's what I think.

3145
02:26:48,159 --> 02:26:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So with that in mind, you know, I think

3146
02:26:51,559 --> 02:26:54,280
that was a little weird at times and surprisingly sort

3147
02:26:54,280 --> 02:26:56,120
of slippery to get handle on how do you feel

3148
02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:56,360
about it?

3149
02:26:56,399 --> 02:26:58,399
Speaker 3: So the thing is, I had no idea how you

3150
02:26:58,440 --> 02:27:00,520
guys are going to feel about this album because this

3151
02:27:00,719 --> 02:27:04,159
is this is the weirdest four year Strong album, Like

3152
02:27:04,360 --> 02:27:06,159
outside of when they tried to do a radio rock

3153
02:27:06,159 --> 02:27:09,200
food Fighters album that everyone hated. This is like the

3154
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:11,719
most kind of like, yeah, there's pop punk on there,

3155
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:15,799
but there's other weird kind of like deviations into like

3156
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:16,399
different things.

3157
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:18,959
Speaker 4: It is genuinely sing a little bit different for them,

3158
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:19,360
and that's.

3159
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:20,920
Speaker 3: Why have they just taken the time to kind of go,

3160
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:24,239
like what should we try, and like try a bunch

3161
02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:25,879
of different ideas and see what sort of sticks.

3162
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I can sort of sort of admire

3163
02:27:28,559 --> 02:27:31,600
that without necessarily feeling like this album is great. I like,

3164
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:33,360
for you strong a decent bit. I think their best,

3165
02:27:33,440 --> 02:27:35,840
Like you know, handful of albums I would say, I

3166
02:27:36,159 --> 02:27:38,440
enjoy a lot, and I think this album has moments,

3167
02:27:39,159 --> 02:27:41,719
but I'm not one hundred percent on it. How do

3168
02:27:41,840 --> 02:27:44,440
I guess describe what the approach is on this compared

3169
02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:46,479
to the usual classic for Year Strong sound.

3170
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:50,559
Speaker 3: The thing is, I don't know how to how to

3171
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:55,600
because the songs do kind of like slip about betweens.

3172
02:27:56,360 --> 02:27:59,159
Like the opening song the half and half after for

3173
02:27:59,399 --> 02:28:02,399
is just like kind of extending into building. It's like

3174
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:07,440
really regimented, like groove and beat that it's gonna do like.

3175
02:28:07,479 --> 02:28:11,559
Speaker 1: That nails pop punk. It's even got that sort of

3176
02:28:11,639 --> 02:28:14,239
whirring machinery type guitar sound really bizarre.

3177
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:16,719
Speaker 3: It's like when they so they built up that rift

3178
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:18,200
dropping when they do at the second time, they've got

3179
02:28:18,239 --> 02:28:20,760
these good jeer and guitars scrapes going over it like,

3180
02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:23,840
which again is like because they're they're a man who

3181
02:28:23,879 --> 02:28:26,200
trade on like pop punk with the beatdowns they they

3182
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:29,159
they've always had that kind of slight hardcore touch, but

3183
02:28:29,399 --> 02:28:34,559
on this afterwart there's like really regimentd like right semi

3184
02:28:34,680 --> 02:28:37,120
industrial take on it. It's a bizarre way to begin it.

3185
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:39,680
And I was like, that's weird. And then you get

3186
02:28:39,719 --> 02:28:43,479
bad Habit, which is classic four year strong bouncing pop punk,

3187
02:28:43,479 --> 02:28:45,600
and I was kind of like, where is this kind

3188
02:28:45,639 --> 02:28:46,000
of gonna go?

3189
02:28:46,639 --> 02:28:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a weirdly erratic album. I think four

3190
02:28:48,879 --> 02:28:50,879
years young. They do have precedent for being kind of

3191
02:28:50,959 --> 02:28:53,479
left field, Like there's a song on Brain Paining that

3192
02:28:53,479 --> 02:28:54,959
always stits out of my mind. That really sounds like

3193
02:28:54,959 --> 02:28:56,600
that band Astronoid, and it was like, what the fuck

3194
02:28:56,799 --> 02:28:58,200
of all the bounds to kind of replicate that you

3195
02:28:58,520 --> 02:29:01,559
were doing it. But this is eclectic in a way

3196
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:04,760
that again I admire at times and don't think fully

3197
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:08,760
works at others. I said that first track immediately kind

3198
02:29:08,799 --> 02:29:12,639
of jarring when this album wants to go in that direction.

3199
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:15,200
They still riff a lot harder than most pop punk bands. Yeah,

3200
02:29:15,399 --> 02:29:18,159
but there's also other songs where they like drop those

3201
02:29:18,239 --> 02:29:21,840
board entirely. Elliott, were you sort of thrown by because again,

3202
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:25,000
particularly if you're not like super o Fai with I

3203
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:28,000
don't know, lots of pop punk bands or whatever, this

3204
02:29:28,159 --> 02:29:31,319
is quite a like bizarre thing to get a handle on.

3205
02:29:32,079 --> 02:29:34,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a strange record and one that I

3206
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,879
don't really know what I think of it yet, because

3207
02:29:37,959 --> 02:29:41,159
in some ways, if Itel was really skittish and Unorthodox

3208
02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:43,920
has some of their heaviest, most feral material that certainly

3209
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:47,440
I've heard, and lots that took me by surprise. But

3210
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,840
on the other hand, there's something that will feels kind

3211
02:29:49,879 --> 02:29:52,399
of like pared down about this record, and I don't

3212
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:54,239
know if it's the production or how regimented it is.

3213
02:29:54,719 --> 02:29:56,840
But it's kind of got these It sounds like there's

3214
02:29:56,879 --> 02:30:00,879
conflicting ambitions going on here. We end up with a

3215
02:30:00,959 --> 02:30:04,079
record that maybe could have been really good either way,

3216
02:30:05,239 --> 02:30:07,760
and kind of lands is okay. And I think it's

3217
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:11,799
captured in that first song because on paper, it's mental.

3218
02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's two minutes long.

3219
02:30:13,559 --> 02:30:17,799
Speaker 2: There's this electronic pulse going through it, sirens, disco drum, groove,

3220
02:30:18,159 --> 02:30:22,360
whispered vocals, beatdowns, and yet I was amazed at how

3221
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:23,639
bored I was.

3222
02:30:25,399 --> 02:30:29,360
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I think that's fair fair a good number

3223
02:30:29,360 --> 02:30:30,479
of trap to this record. I was a bit like,

3224
02:30:30,639 --> 02:30:32,680
that's a weird move, but I'm not really feeling a lot,

3225
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:34,760
you know, we did. We got quite excited by the

3226
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:37,760
single was It Daddy of Mine, where it's like basically

3227
02:30:37,799 --> 02:30:39,280
sounds like four years wrong doing it every time I

3228
02:30:39,360 --> 02:30:42,799
die song if again, they've they've like sometimes been like,

3229
02:30:42,799 --> 02:30:45,920
oh yeah, we can actually still go hard whenevery band

3230
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:47,799
is like just stripping out the guitars or whatever. That

3231
02:30:48,079 --> 02:30:51,040
was like a cool, surprising move for a band in

3232
02:30:51,079 --> 02:30:52,959
this lane. And that is like a cool fucking song,

3233
02:30:53,479 --> 02:30:55,920
habit you mentioned it's like, you know, a decent modern

3234
02:30:55,959 --> 02:30:58,040
pop punction. I think to a degree. I'm always held

3235
02:30:58,079 --> 02:31:00,079
a little arms like by vocal production that sounds like

3236
02:31:00,159 --> 02:31:03,040
that and stuff, but there's a thick guitar bounce to it,

3237
02:31:03,239 --> 02:31:04,959
legit breakdown in there. And there's another thing they do

3238
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:06,879
on this record quite a few times. I think it's

3239
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:10,559
fun where they started doing these like turnstile unto others

3240
02:31:10,559 --> 02:31:13,760
like hush yeah and Uncooked does that as well. That

3241
02:31:13,799 --> 02:31:15,280
I was like, I want to see you dance, which

3242
02:31:15,319 --> 02:31:17,879
is straight out of the glow On playbook, but like

3243
02:31:18,079 --> 02:31:20,719
glue to four your strong pop pup melodies, and I

3244
02:31:20,719 --> 02:31:22,520
do appreciate that you can tell that four years Strong

3245
02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:26,360
like you wouldn't be surprised to see them wearing T

3246
02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:28,479
shirts wrapping some of the cool current hardcore bands, like

3247
02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:29,840
they feel like they've got their finger on their pulse

3248
02:31:29,879 --> 02:31:31,079
a little bit more than some of their peers.

3249
02:31:31,799 --> 02:31:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I realized that it took too

3250
02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:35,440
me a while to get it, but I kind of

3251
02:31:35,479 --> 02:31:39,000
love all these kind of just like weird deviations and

3252
02:31:39,120 --> 02:31:42,120
sort of other sounds channeled through again because I love

3253
02:31:42,159 --> 02:31:43,639
the core sound of four Years Strong, So I mean

3254
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:45,639
that like channeling these other sort of things through that

3255
02:31:45,959 --> 02:31:47,000
is and I'm like yeah, cool.

3256
02:31:47,000 --> 02:31:49,360
Speaker 4: I love the dual vocal approach that I think it's.

3257
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:51,360
Speaker 3: Funny because like productiblyst a lot of things I'm like

3258
02:31:51,639 --> 02:31:53,440
in theory, I actould hate the way this is produced,

3259
02:31:53,719 --> 02:31:55,559
but it just works Before You're Strong for me, Like

3260
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:56,959
there's a lot of the things that a lot of

3261
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:58,719
the sort of the pop metal kind of sort of

3262
02:31:58,760 --> 02:32:01,680
stuff goes on in production should really great to me

3263
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:04,000
when other bands have done it, but here it just

3264
02:32:04,120 --> 02:32:06,680
kind of like sits in the pocket nicely and works

3265
02:32:06,799 --> 02:32:09,280
with the guitar tone because again, like as well as said,

3266
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:11,600
they sort something I don't really ever really sand down

3267
02:32:11,639 --> 02:32:13,600
the guitar tone on this album. It's always still got

3268
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:15,520
that crunch to it, which is what I really like

3269
02:32:15,559 --> 02:32:17,920
about For You Strong, Come on, there's melodies so when

3270
02:32:17,959 --> 02:32:20,680
You've Got Uncooked, which is like them doing this kind

3271
02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:24,159
of like bouncy dance punk number but with like these

3272
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:26,399
actually kind of like crunchy guitars to it. I think

3273
02:32:26,440 --> 02:32:27,639
that's a really fun sound.

3274
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like at times they put that guitar

3275
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:35,360
you know, uh, hecticness into what are kind of pop songs.

3276
02:32:35,719 --> 02:32:37,760
Like Yeah, again, some of the other things that I

3277
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:39,559
think are you know, cool and give me more of

3278
02:32:39,559 --> 02:32:41,159
that sort of classic for your strong feel or some

3279
02:32:41,239 --> 02:32:44,360
of that slightly extra like fun hardcore feel, the little

3280
02:32:44,399 --> 02:32:46,200
sort of bouncing riff in Paranoia, and it does like

3281
02:32:46,280 --> 02:32:48,680
two through four totally in line with that kind of thing,

3282
02:32:49,239 --> 02:32:50,719
and that is a fun element that they you know,

3283
02:32:50,799 --> 02:32:52,639
they're clearly kind of riffing off of their stuff they're

3284
02:32:52,639 --> 02:32:55,200
inspired by at the moment. I think out of Touch

3285
02:32:55,639 --> 02:32:58,079
has one of the bigger choruses, and it's bizarrely as well.

3286
02:32:58,159 --> 02:32:59,719
It gives me this sort of like Devin Townsend a

3287
02:32:59,799 --> 02:33:02,280
Dick vibe where it's like a big, simple pop song

3288
02:33:02,639 --> 02:33:07,200
laid on top of like surprisingly involved instrumentation. And Roller

3289
02:33:07,239 --> 02:33:10,280
Coaster has these like sort of guitar scientists like squeals

3290
02:33:10,280 --> 02:33:12,399
and pops and stuff. There is invention going on there,

3291
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:15,360
but there's also these like take foot off the pedal

3292
02:33:15,479 --> 02:33:18,239
chill songs that I'm not really sure what to make of.

3293
02:33:18,600 --> 02:33:21,680
Maybe it's me is like it's got some you know,

3294
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:23,639
nice little guitar parts stuff in there. It's just bizarre

3295
02:33:23,799 --> 02:33:25,639
hearing them sort of take their foot off the gas

3296
02:33:25,959 --> 02:33:28,120
for that song and do these like kind of pool

3297
02:33:28,239 --> 02:33:30,959
side lounger songs and that song I think is kind

3298
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:33,159
of okay, But then there are ones that I don't

3299
02:33:33,239 --> 02:33:36,680
think really work. Particularly I'm not a huge fan of Stfil,

3300
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:40,040
which has that weird sort of chill pop production, weird

3301
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:43,040
aim on it, and the bad song in the Batch's

3302
02:33:43,079 --> 02:33:44,879
dead End Friend, which are just the hook and the

3303
02:33:44,920 --> 02:33:47,360
production on it. It's like the part of pop punk

3304
02:33:47,399 --> 02:33:48,840
that I hate in twenty twenty four, you know, I

3305
02:33:48,920 --> 02:33:49,680
just can't like it.

3306
02:33:51,079 --> 02:33:53,079
Speaker 3: I still really like Jellen Friend.

3307
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:56,239
Speaker 4: I think such stall level sa Fil.

3308
02:33:55,799 --> 02:33:57,399
Speaker 3: Like that was Almosking, like that is the one that

3309
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:00,200
really threw me where you're again. It's like pure like

3310
02:34:00,239 --> 02:34:03,600
there's pure pop ballad with like auto tuned vocals and

3311
02:34:03,639 --> 02:34:06,280
then again they just slam up the big guitars. It's

3312
02:34:06,520 --> 02:34:10,000
like a jumble, like like that was the one song

3313
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:12,559
where I kind of go like that feels a bit

3314
02:34:12,600 --> 02:34:14,600
of a weird missmash of ideas that I don't know

3315
02:34:14,799 --> 02:34:17,319
entirely how it lands. But like the more chill kind

3316
02:34:17,319 --> 02:34:19,799
of stuff like dead End Friend, or maybe it's me,

3317
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:22,520
I kind of like this kind of like slacker sort

3318
02:34:22,520 --> 02:34:25,840
of college rock four year strong, lounging by the pool,

3319
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:28,440
but again just doing it by their sort of sound

3320
02:34:28,639 --> 02:34:29,920
I'm totally cool to go with that.

3321
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think the production for me is

3322
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:35,920
a bit of an issue. And I think it's because,

3323
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:40,120
like I said, this is trying to serve two ends.

3324
02:34:40,559 --> 02:34:42,319
Without this record, it feels like they're trying to make

3325
02:34:43,319 --> 02:34:46,760
their most out there, unhinged album and you're also a

3326
02:34:46,879 --> 02:34:49,719
much poppier one and much more pared down and restrained one.

3327
02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:54,239
And I rarely think the production serves either end. I mean, obviously,

3328
02:34:54,639 --> 02:34:59,920
that kind of clean drum sound and vocal production doesn't

3329
02:35:00,120 --> 02:35:02,479
serve something like Daddy of Mine, which I think is

3330
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:05,239
actually a really good song. It doesn't serve it as

3331
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,479
well as you know, we know what that song should

3332
02:35:08,520 --> 02:35:12,079
sound like. And then something like maybe It's Me. I

3333
02:35:12,200 --> 02:35:15,360
kind of feel like the melodies and the American football

3334
02:35:15,440 --> 02:35:18,920
isms that make that song interesting, they end up feeling

3335
02:35:19,079 --> 02:35:23,040
quite sanitized under that production job. For me, one of

3336
02:35:23,079 --> 02:35:25,000
the times where the production does work is on Better,

3337
02:35:25,079 --> 02:35:27,360
Get Better, which I think, for one of the songs

3338
02:35:27,479 --> 02:35:30,079
later in the record, is one of the strongest. The

3339
02:35:30,120 --> 02:35:34,040
electronic elements are an interesting addition. The chorus with the

3340
02:35:34,079 --> 02:35:37,239
core of vocals over the down tempo riff really inventive,

3341
02:35:37,479 --> 02:35:39,559
and the little guitar flourishes in the verse. There's enough

3342
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:43,280
to keep the attention, and a slightly music production for

3343
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:46,559
some reason actually serves that song, but a lot of

3344
02:35:46,639 --> 02:35:52,440
it for me, is quite badly hampered by the recording

3345
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:53,760
doesn't let the songs off the chain.

3346
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe there's a bit of a sort of one

3347
02:35:55,799 --> 02:35:57,959
size fits all approach to the sound of it that

3348
02:35:58,159 --> 02:36:00,959
doesn't compliment how actually bizarre rat it the songs are,

3349
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:03,399
and again there I think there are there are there.

3350
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:05,360
I think there probably are some really good songs in

3351
02:36:05,399 --> 02:36:08,680
here that feel like slightly stifled, and again the full

3352
02:36:08,760 --> 02:36:10,719
pop rock pivots don't really work for me. I don't

3353
02:36:10,719 --> 02:36:13,200
think the the Closer is particularly good, but I did

3354
02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:14,879
there are quite a few songs in this that are

3355
02:36:15,319 --> 02:36:17,239
pretty solid and have fun ideas in there. It's just

3356
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,440
kind of a mixed bag, and to a degree, I think,

3357
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:22,680
you know, it's got some odd decisions that maybe all

3358
02:36:22,719 --> 02:36:24,959
take their time to sort of like sit in people's heads.

3359
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:28,360
I'm personally not like the most invested in four year Strong,

3360
02:36:28,600 --> 02:36:31,079
so you know, I casually like them, So I don't

3361
02:36:31,079 --> 02:36:33,159
think this one is anywhere near the standout where like

3362
02:36:33,239 --> 02:36:35,639
even folks like me took notice of Brain Pain. This

3363
02:36:35,799 --> 02:36:38,079
is much much spottier, so it is a bit of

3364
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:41,920
a deflation in that sense. But I think there are

3365
02:36:41,959 --> 02:36:43,840
probably more good tracks on it than there are bad ones,

3366
02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:46,200
and I think maybe this is the experiment after like

3367
02:36:46,280 --> 02:36:48,799
smashing the course out of Last Time, where they you know,

3368
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:51,000
kind of just you know, try and keep things interest

3369
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:54,959
themselves and so it is still more interesting than most

3370
02:36:55,000 --> 02:36:56,639
things in the genre, which are just sort of slop.

3371
02:36:56,840 --> 02:37:00,879
So yeah, I don't especially like this album, I don't think,

3372
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:03,399
but I do kind of I think there are things

3373
02:37:03,399 --> 02:37:04,040
to appreciate in it.

3374
02:37:04,799 --> 02:37:06,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. I mean I think again,

3375
02:37:06,079 --> 02:37:08,399
it's after Brain Pain kind of really re established them.

3376
02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:11,120
It kind of gave them, kind of put them on

3377
02:37:11,319 --> 02:37:14,200
the sort of respected veterans of modern pop punks or

3378
02:37:14,319 --> 02:37:17,959
pedestal where they could afford to play around a bit

3379
02:37:17,959 --> 02:37:20,399
more on the follow up to without the risk of

3380
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:24,239
derailing themselves again, which again I admire that for about

3381
02:37:24,280 --> 02:37:26,399
who have for the osten of the Records has been

3382
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:29,000
doing great pop punk albums. I like that they've kind

3383
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:33,760
of taken a swing at something different, and again, maybe

3384
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:35,680
it does not work, but for me, because I just

3385
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:38,280
really like what young to do and then being creative

3386
02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:40,760
with it. I've had I like, it is a bizarre

3387
02:37:40,840 --> 02:37:44,040
thing that to me kind of I'm but I've come

3388
02:37:44,120 --> 02:37:46,920
around to it just being this kind of wild, funhouse

3389
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:49,000
of a sort of modern pop punk album that you

3390
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:50,680
don't know where it's going to go, and kind of

3391
02:37:50,719 --> 02:37:51,319
I'm cool with that.

3392
02:37:51,639 --> 02:37:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe if you are like a really big fan

3393
02:37:53,399 --> 02:37:55,959
of the band, you will appreciate that sort of you know,

3394
02:37:56,079 --> 02:37:59,000
sort of just surprising quality that it has so for

3395
02:37:59,159 --> 02:38:01,920
years strong and now Paralysis. Let us move on to

3396
02:38:02,200 --> 02:38:05,760
Lepres and Melodies of Atonement. Here we are another Lepress album.

3397
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:07,799
It's been three years since the last one, but it

3398
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,120
feels like the Lepress have been a very constant fixture

3399
02:38:10,159 --> 02:38:13,319
on our show in those years, because I having been

3400
02:38:13,319 --> 02:38:15,200
a big fan since about the mid twenty tens. I

3401
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:16,799
made it a mission at one point to get Sam

3402
02:38:16,879 --> 02:38:19,440
into Lepress, after which they then released their last album

3403
02:38:19,479 --> 02:38:21,600
of Pelion and you totally fell from I seem to

3404
02:38:21,639 --> 02:38:22,120
remember it being on.

3405
02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:24,280
Speaker 4: Your Albums of the Year it was as of that year.

3406
02:38:25,079 --> 02:38:26,319
Speaker 1: Are you still a.

3407
02:38:26,319 --> 02:38:29,680
Speaker 3: Fan of particular Elepress Recordsterre, Yeah, it's not all I've

3408
02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:32,719
gone back to the most I mean, Cole is the

3409
02:38:32,760 --> 02:38:34,799
one that's actually kind of like really taken my love

3410
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:35,879
right for Let for Us.

3411
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:38,639
Speaker 4: Like maybe that was seeing it live and fall and

3412
02:38:38,760 --> 02:38:42,399
the album and all that, But I mean I'm.

3413
02:38:42,280 --> 02:38:44,799
Speaker 3: Kind of going, like, God down you Let for Us

3414
02:38:44,879 --> 02:38:49,239
in really my hatred of prog because like I have

3415
02:38:49,440 --> 02:38:52,120
so I'm like you were right to kind of sell

3416
02:38:52,159 --> 02:38:54,159
this band to me as as the one to get

3417
02:38:54,280 --> 02:38:56,879
into it. But yeah, I I they've become a kind

3418
02:38:56,879 --> 02:38:59,399
of fairly consistent fixture in my listening Let for Us,

3419
02:38:59,440 --> 02:39:01,719
which never would have expected at one point in my life.

3420
02:39:01,959 --> 02:39:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. And then as you've sort of mentioned that,

3421
02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:06,479
we then had Elliot join us on the show. Last year,

3422
02:39:06,559 --> 02:39:08,959
we saw Letpress play their older album Cole at Dannation.

3423
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:10,840
We had a chat about that, and it turns out

3424
02:39:11,000 --> 02:39:12,840
Lepress are also a bit of a soft spot band

3425
02:39:12,879 --> 02:39:16,079
for you, and maybe the formative one as well. I suppose. Then,

3426
02:39:16,159 --> 02:39:19,040
you know, we've kind of mainly spoken about sort of

3427
02:39:19,079 --> 02:39:21,399
older Letpress with you Elliott, how are you sort of

3428
02:39:21,559 --> 02:39:23,440
you know, as we stand in twenty twenty.

3429
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:26,840
Speaker 2: Four, Yeah, I mean for me, the run of Letpress

3430
02:39:26,879 --> 02:39:29,280
records that I go back to is by last or

3431
02:39:29,319 --> 02:39:32,879
two Molina, But I do think the last two are

3432
02:39:33,319 --> 02:39:36,079
really strong as well. I think it's only in comparison

3433
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:40,639
to those that they seem ever so slightly lesser than

3434
02:39:40,760 --> 02:39:44,159
to me. But I think my fondness of Letpress extends

3435
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:46,479
beyond just how good I think their albums are year

3436
02:39:46,520 --> 02:39:49,799
to year. They're kind of an island in as someone

3437
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:52,079
who really loves progue if it's got a lot of

3438
02:39:52,159 --> 02:39:56,040
prog bands active now, they don't draw on the stuff

3439
02:39:56,040 --> 02:39:59,000
that I find enjoyable about it. And you know, we've

3440
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,719
talked to at late the sort of tech metal thing

3441
02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:04,559
leaves leaves us pretty cold.

3442
02:40:05,319 --> 02:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Lepress are a fucking like prog oasis, and by that

3443
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,719
I don't mean a banned oasis. I mean like an

3444
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:13,959
actual oasis in a sea of like, oh God, I'm

3445
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:14,360
dying of.

3446
02:40:14,399 --> 02:40:18,799
Speaker 2: First Yeah, exactly Like they combine those two things and

3447
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:23,079
managed to avoid all the trappings that their peers don't,

3448
02:40:23,200 --> 02:40:26,440
at least in the last decade or two. And for

3449
02:40:26,520 --> 02:40:30,239
that reason, each one of their records feels like, oh

3450
02:40:30,319 --> 02:40:33,040
thank god, you know, this thing can be interesting, It

3451
02:40:33,120 --> 02:40:36,319
can be exciting, you can you can write great songs

3452
02:40:36,360 --> 02:40:36,799
in this style.

3453
02:40:36,879 --> 02:40:39,639
Speaker 1: Still yeah, just interesting in terms of where we're all

3454
02:40:39,639 --> 02:40:43,399
mentioning our elepress albums. For me, it's Molina and Pitfalls

3455
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:46,319
in twenties seventeen and twenty nineteen, where like they and

3456
02:40:46,440 --> 02:40:50,040
I lined up the most lovingly. I've been a fan

3457
02:40:50,159 --> 02:40:52,680
since about Cold, particularly in the congregation, but then those

3458
02:40:52,799 --> 02:40:55,399
like fully like fucking maybe heart Eyes over It. I

3459
02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:58,200
really liked Apelian. I thought the pop direction that they

3460
02:40:58,319 --> 02:41:01,200
increasingly kind of added into, like the heavy prog metal

3461
02:41:01,399 --> 02:41:02,360
was considering.

3462
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:04,079
Speaker 3: The opening song in that on that album is like

3463
02:41:04,159 --> 02:41:06,040
when that comes into my head every couple of days.

3464
02:41:06,159 --> 02:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think about that, ah, but it's said

3465
02:41:09,239 --> 02:41:12,879
two for it. Really good melodies of Atonement didn't necessarily

3466
02:41:12,920 --> 02:41:15,000
have any expectations of what it would kind of, you know,

3467
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,159
what would be its character as a record. I thought

3468
02:41:17,239 --> 02:41:19,760
logically maybe a further continuation of that, but they are

3469
02:41:19,959 --> 02:41:23,639
quite a kind of clastic turned out, maybe a slightly

3470
02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:26,440
interesting pivot point. I'm not sure if I think there

3471
02:41:26,479 --> 02:41:28,600
are some people out there who don't you know, who

3472
02:41:28,639 --> 02:41:30,840
sort of pine for the lepress of old and weren't

3473
02:41:30,879 --> 02:41:34,200
really into like the last two records slightly softer material.

3474
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:36,920
This I think is definitely recognizable as the same bad

3475
02:41:36,959 --> 02:41:39,600
I don't think this is like backtracking on what they've

3476
02:41:39,639 --> 02:41:42,280
done or like undermining it or whatever. But I wasn't

3477
02:41:42,280 --> 02:41:43,879
expecting this record after the last one to be quite

3478
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:46,840
a sort of like don't there anxious and frenetic, as

3479
02:41:46,879 --> 02:41:47,840
it's kind of turned out being.

3480
02:41:49,360 --> 02:41:51,479
Speaker 3: Like this was a lot darker than I was kind

3481
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:54,639
of expecting after the last album. I agree, like again,

3482
02:41:54,680 --> 02:41:57,079
as it's kind of drawn a lot of the pop melodies,

3483
02:41:57,120 --> 02:41:59,319
lot the simp sort of stuff, but it is it

3484
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:02,639
is like uneasy compared to you know, the sort of

3485
02:42:02,680 --> 02:42:05,959
the pure like skyscraper, float on a cloud kind of

3486
02:42:05,959 --> 02:42:07,399
pop bliss of the last album.

3487
02:42:08,360 --> 02:42:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird one because there is a nervous

3488
02:42:11,440 --> 02:42:13,200
energy to this record that I don't think hasn't been

3489
02:42:13,239 --> 02:42:14,719
on that. I don't think it's been on the last

3490
02:42:14,760 --> 02:42:17,280
couple of records. But it's also.

3491
02:42:18,600 --> 02:42:20,079
Speaker 1: I think a kind of slower record.

3492
02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:23,040
Speaker 2: I do only hops from one idea to the next

3493
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:27,399
quite as quickly as certainly some of the last couple have.

3494
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:32,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when I say they've not backtracked undermined,

3495
02:42:32,600 --> 02:42:34,159
it's still built on, like, you know, the way they've

3496
02:42:34,159 --> 02:42:36,239
developed using electronic elements and stuff like that. Some of

3497
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:39,159
which I've even taken from like nineteen eighty synthpop or whatever.

3498
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,799
They're kind of detectable in there, but it is based

3499
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:48,520
here around some quite uh you know, oppressive songs at times.

3500
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:52,520
The song Atonement on here uses that kind of slow,

3501
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:55,600
sultry bass and almost like R and B fashion, and

3502
02:42:55,840 --> 02:42:58,319
again a landscape where a lot of metal bands have

3503
02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:00,559
like started embracing those sort of sounds whatever. But then

3504
02:43:00,840 --> 02:43:04,000
the frantic way the chorus comes at you on that

3505
02:43:04,639 --> 02:43:06,639
that lift part is insane, Like the guitar parts are

3506
02:43:06,639 --> 02:43:09,040
almost like scratching at you, almost like it's annoying. Like

3507
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:10,799
I say, it had a kind of positive way, but

3508
02:43:10,840 --> 02:43:12,920
it's like it's kind of prodding you in the ribs repeatedly.

3509
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:16,120
And the sort of declarative intensity in the vocal there,

3510
02:43:16,280 --> 02:43:19,840
it's much more like nervy and kind of darkened than

3511
02:43:19,879 --> 02:43:21,639
the kind of like, oh look, R and B influenced

3512
02:43:21,639 --> 02:43:24,079
prog or whatever. It's got a real sort of like, uh,

3513
02:43:24,399 --> 02:43:26,520
you know, a kind of horrific kind of element to it.

3514
02:43:26,639 --> 02:43:30,520
And there is a really brooding and heavy quality to

3515
02:43:30,639 --> 02:43:33,719
what they've like managed to turn their more current sound

3516
02:43:33,879 --> 02:43:35,120
into on this record.

3517
02:43:36,159 --> 02:43:37,760
Speaker 3: I think brooding is really because a lot of these

3518
02:43:37,799 --> 02:43:42,000
songs kind of start like quite minimalist, like very kind

3519
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:44,479
of like electent bassed brooding, and then sort of build

3520
02:43:44,559 --> 02:43:48,079
into something. But it is like it does mean the

3521
02:43:48,120 --> 02:43:50,639
atmosphere kind of like floods you right away or you're

3522
02:43:50,719 --> 02:43:53,079
kind of into the darker vibes of it, and every

3523
02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:54,319
time it does then burst life.

3524
02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:57,959
Speaker 4: It's it's not like this big uplifting sound nooise.

3525
02:43:57,959 --> 02:44:00,600
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a kind of overwhelming like do

3526
02:44:00,799 --> 02:44:03,920
say panic, but just like wave of sounds kind of

3527
02:44:04,319 --> 02:44:05,879
smothering you in a way that it's like kind of

3528
02:44:05,959 --> 02:44:09,159
like hard to kind of pin down while still delving

3529
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:11,120
these incredible pop perks that it's all because of you.

3530
02:44:11,280 --> 02:44:13,639
One that's already kind of like stuck me in a

3531
02:44:13,719 --> 02:44:16,719
tone and like that is huge and like sounds incredible,

3532
02:44:17,319 --> 02:44:20,360
but it is again it's it's not like uplifting in

3533
02:44:20,440 --> 02:44:22,040
the way that they were on the previous album.

3534
02:44:22,280 --> 02:44:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the sort of bass synth throb at the

3535
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:27,479
start of Silently Walking Alone immediately very striking and it's

3536
02:44:27,479 --> 02:44:29,360
got that sort of pop edge, but in a really

3537
02:44:29,440 --> 02:44:32,879
like queasy, disarmingly heavy sort of way, like it's sort

3538
02:44:32,879 --> 02:44:35,600
of rolling your stomach over in its hands like putty,

3539
02:44:35,639 --> 02:44:38,879
and it hits a really punchy register as well. It

3540
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:41,079
kind of gears into action a little bit quicker than

3541
02:44:41,079 --> 02:44:45,280
some of their more recent records and uses guitar sounds

3542
02:44:45,319 --> 02:44:47,920
in very like discordant, aggressive on the ear sort of way,

3543
02:44:47,959 --> 02:44:50,600
like the sort of horrid scrapes and words through the

3544
02:44:50,680 --> 02:44:52,680
verses limbo letter on almost reminded me of corn with

3545
02:44:52,760 --> 02:44:55,040
that sort of spooky guitar accents, like if you took

3546
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:56,639
a baseline that was more sort of funk prog rather

3547
02:44:56,680 --> 02:44:58,040
than that field depercussion. But you know what I mean,

3548
02:44:58,040 --> 02:45:02,200
it's got that kind of clawing at you, scraping at

3549
02:45:02,200 --> 02:45:03,120
you sort of sensibility.

3550
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:05,680
Speaker 3: Then there's got this like weird shuffle to it again

3551
02:45:05,719 --> 02:45:08,079
that just that that feels uneasy and kind of like

3552
02:45:08,200 --> 02:45:11,840
it can't settle down, like and the way that you

3553
02:45:11,959 --> 02:45:14,239
kind of playing it's almost quite danceable as a result

3554
02:45:14,280 --> 02:45:17,000
of it. But it just the way they kind of

3555
02:45:17,159 --> 02:45:19,879
approach it in this kind of unsettling, odd way, just

3556
02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:21,920
gives a song this weird vibe.

3557
02:45:22,879 --> 02:45:25,879
Speaker 2: I mean, Lepres have never been on the whacka whacka

3558
02:45:26,159 --> 02:45:28,879
end of prog, do you. I mean, they've always been

3559
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:33,319
a bit more graceful tasteful than that. But like we

3560
02:45:33,399 --> 02:45:37,280
we said that the discordant, it's almost panic called the

3561
02:45:37,319 --> 02:45:41,840
guitars coming in. They have this real cool quality of

3562
02:45:42,159 --> 02:45:45,520
some sounding like they're disrupting the songs they're in suddently

3563
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:48,200
walking along. If you took the guitar squawks out of it,

3564
02:45:48,799 --> 02:45:51,319
it sounds like Lepres doing a Bond theme. It's got

3565
02:45:51,399 --> 02:45:54,600
that huge historyonic vocal performance at the center of it,

3566
02:45:55,239 --> 02:45:59,440
but those squawking guitars matched with a time signature that

3567
02:45:59,479 --> 02:46:01,799
I can't white get my head around. It almost feels

3568
02:46:01,879 --> 02:46:06,959
like it's one thirty second off somehow. It just throws

3569
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:10,079
you off balance in a way that for me makes

3570
02:46:10,159 --> 02:46:14,399
it still easily identifiable as progressive music, because that's something

3571
02:46:14,399 --> 02:46:16,840
that I've considered over the last couple of Lepros albums,

3572
02:46:16,879 --> 02:46:20,440
are how much of a prog band are they? Because

3573
02:46:20,440 --> 02:46:24,879
their songs are huge and catchy and sort of traditionally

3574
02:46:25,479 --> 02:46:28,680
enjoyable in it from a melodic perspective, but just throwing

3575
02:46:28,760 --> 02:46:33,920
in some a bit of lemon juice, it makes the

3576
02:46:33,959 --> 02:46:34,360
whole thing.

3577
02:46:34,319 --> 02:46:36,360
Speaker 1: A lot more interesting. Yeah, I mean the way that

3578
02:46:36,399 --> 02:46:38,879
they use like basically gent riffs even though that they

3579
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:41,159
are a more minor component of what they do compared

3580
02:46:41,159 --> 02:46:43,239
to like straight up gent band. But they're one of

3581
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:45,040
the only mands who have kept that element of sort

3582
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:48,040
of nausea to them. And it's funny because, like you know,

3583
02:46:48,159 --> 02:46:51,680
with Sugar, that's their whole thing, lepres a whole load

3584
02:46:51,719 --> 02:46:53,840
of their thing is being very you know, glacial and

3585
02:46:53,879 --> 02:46:56,639
beautiful and pristine or whatever. But they have that bit

3586
02:46:56,680 --> 02:47:01,319
of like twisty contortedness in It seems a bit more

3587
02:47:01,399 --> 02:47:03,200
drawn back, but when it does drop in, it's very

3588
02:47:03,280 --> 02:47:06,920
much in that lane, and it's beyond bound to on

3589
02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:10,239
the surface seem way harder and more aggressive and more

3590
02:47:10,280 --> 02:47:12,959
heavy or whatever. It's kind of affecting in that way

3591
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:14,760
a lot more so because of how they deploy it.

3592
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:16,920
And again on this record, I don't think it'd be

3593
02:47:16,920 --> 02:47:18,840
accurate to go, oh, they've gone back to their roots,

3594
02:47:18,840 --> 02:47:22,040
they're more metal again or whatever. But yeh, because I

3595
02:47:22,040 --> 02:47:23,399
don't want to give the wrong IMPRESSI because a lot

3596
02:47:23,399 --> 02:47:25,120
of it is quite introspective and quite measured, but when

3597
02:47:25,159 --> 02:47:26,879
it does get to the heavy parts, it is a

3598
02:47:26,920 --> 02:47:29,000
bit more unsettling than they've I guess tried to be

3599
02:47:29,360 --> 02:47:33,719
in a while and even you know there are what's

3600
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:37,559
the song where he does the fucking the harsh vocal

3601
02:47:37,559 --> 02:47:40,079
for the first time in ages like a sinking sunken

3602
02:47:40,120 --> 02:47:45,360
ship starts off so mischievous and fun in a kind

3603
02:47:45,360 --> 02:47:47,600
of like it's like a theme for an unsavory character

3604
02:47:47,639 --> 02:47:49,959
in a nineteen forties noir or something like some guy

3605
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:52,719
with a name like the Rat, just very like slinkying around.

3606
02:47:52,879 --> 02:47:55,920
And then the second half it's almost like a leprous

3607
02:47:55,959 --> 02:47:57,719
giallo song with a kind of la la lab it's

3608
02:47:57,760 --> 02:48:00,360
going on in there, and Ininar just goes sick of mode,

3609
02:48:00,559 --> 02:48:02,399
and that is the only point where it's like, oh, Ship,

3610
02:48:02,639 --> 02:48:04,479
that's kind of old days lepers coming back in there

3611
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:07,520
with that like blast of aggressiveness wicked track.

3612
02:48:08,079 --> 02:48:11,120
Speaker 3: And that's because again it's really like moodion seductive first off,

3613
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:13,079
and then like he it starts kicking off. I was like, Oh,

3614
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:14,760
he's getting angry in a way that I haven't really

3615
02:48:18,440 --> 02:48:19,920
of lots of let for us where it is all

3616
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:22,760
pretty and poppy and all that is he angry and

3617
02:48:22,799 --> 02:48:25,280
then he lets that that scream and I was like, oh, Ship,

3618
02:48:25,399 --> 02:48:29,120
like this is really disconcerting, like within the album, like

3619
02:48:30,360 --> 02:48:32,280
and that's The thing is like with they said the

3620
02:48:32,360 --> 02:48:34,479
gender guitars, because they don't use them all the time.

3621
02:48:34,600 --> 02:48:37,360
The moment they do deploy them, they punch so much

3622
02:48:37,399 --> 02:48:40,280
harder than bands who just constantly trade on the same

3623
02:48:41,079 --> 02:48:43,799
gen riff. You never get numb to the sort of

3624
02:48:43,879 --> 02:48:46,000
the gen guitar sound on this album because it's not.

3625
02:48:46,639 --> 02:48:50,479
It's just one component that they deploy at the best

3626
02:48:50,600 --> 02:48:53,719
moments to give a song that extra kind of mp

3627
02:48:53,799 --> 02:48:57,760
for darkness or like just meanness. And I think that's

3628
02:48:57,760 --> 02:48:59,280
what I think, that's like one of the ace things

3629
02:48:59,319 --> 02:49:02,639
that let Us do, and that.

3630
02:49:02,680 --> 02:49:05,079
Speaker 2: Those bands that aren't as good as let Us, they

3631
02:49:05,079 --> 02:49:08,479
will write a kind of lousy gent riff and that'll

3632
02:49:08,520 --> 02:49:10,159
be all they've got. They haven't got a song to

3633
02:49:10,200 --> 02:49:12,719
hang on. Lepress will use it as an ingredient in

3634
02:49:12,799 --> 02:49:15,040
a song and like a sung can ship, that's not

3635
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:17,479
a song really built around a riff at all.

3636
02:49:17,639 --> 02:49:17,680
Speaker 3: It.

3637
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:19,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just as you say noir, because I

3638
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:22,879
thought it almost sounds rhythmically like something like akin to

3639
02:49:22,959 --> 02:49:26,799
shell Ac. But when that harshness and manic nature comes

3640
02:49:26,840 --> 02:49:30,479
in later they write a sort of tech metal rage

3641
02:49:30,479 --> 02:49:34,719
against the machine song and just for a few moments

3642
02:49:34,879 --> 02:49:37,959
you go, that is a riff where a band could

3643
02:49:38,280 --> 02:49:41,440
build a whole sound around it and just ease off that.

3644
02:49:42,319 --> 02:49:45,840
You know, Veil of Maya would love that riff and

3645
02:49:46,360 --> 02:49:48,399
that would be all they've got. But Lepress are able

3646
02:49:48,440 --> 02:49:51,040
to write riffs that good and slip it into songs

3647
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:52,399
that don't even really need them.

3648
02:49:53,399 --> 02:49:54,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think it's about like this is an

3649
02:49:54,959 --> 02:49:59,559
example of how to do that kind of quite analogue

3650
02:49:59,559 --> 02:50:02,399
soundy pre reduction in terms of like the bass and

3651
02:50:02,440 --> 02:50:04,680
the drum grooves and stuff. Even when they are drawing

3652
02:50:04,719 --> 02:50:06,840
on like nineteen eighty pop or whatever else, it doesn't

3653
02:50:06,840 --> 02:50:10,479
feel electronically produced, but what it retains is this very

3654
02:50:10,639 --> 02:50:14,040
like live element. Like listen to the bassline on Faceless.

3655
02:50:14,239 --> 02:50:19,280
They're just extremely uh what you were saying, but almost

3656
02:50:19,280 --> 02:50:20,959
hands like it's on the kind of fly. It's almost

3657
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:23,600
like there are bits on this record of like real

3658
02:50:23,719 --> 02:50:26,239
time creativity where you're hearing something that must be so

3659
02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:29,399
clearly deliberately arranged and thought over, but it sounds like

3660
02:50:29,479 --> 02:50:31,399
it's off the cuff, and there's just sort of like

3661
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:34,280
dark playfulness to how it kind of unfolds, just like yeah,

3662
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:37,719
just really fucking good bad, just like properly dialed in

3663
02:50:38,399 --> 02:50:41,200
octopus limbed but deeply connected in their chemistry. Band and

3664
02:50:41,280 --> 02:50:42,879
a singer who has you in the part of his hand,

3665
02:50:42,959 --> 02:50:44,959
the ending of it, of atonement when he just fucking

3666
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:48,360
smacks it out of the park and all of that,

3667
02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:51,000
the incredible like hard edged pop pucks he sneaks as well,

3668
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:53,760
because that's the other thing, Like he has this really immaculate, beautiful,

3669
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:55,559
smooth voice when he wants it, but often on this

3670
02:50:55,639 --> 02:50:57,879
when he delivers a hook, he snarls it and he

3671
02:50:57,959 --> 02:51:00,479
gets the rock kind of creep in like stuff like limbo,

3672
02:51:00,559 --> 02:51:03,280
and it really does. And it's another thing that does

3673
02:51:03,399 --> 02:51:07,280
wonders in terms of stopping it feel like algorithmically produced slop,

3674
02:51:07,399 --> 02:51:07,600
you know.

3675
02:51:08,719 --> 02:51:10,920
Speaker 3: Like Faceless is a great example of something you just

3676
02:51:10,959 --> 02:51:12,239
sort of do there where that has like again like

3677
02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:16,159
this is like weird like fluid where they write the

3678
02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:18,239
songs like it starts of the piano, it kind of

3679
02:51:18,280 --> 02:51:20,239
builds and you get onto that whole never go alone

3680
02:51:20,399 --> 02:51:23,280
kind of refrain and you get this mental key change

3681
02:51:23,360 --> 02:51:24,959
coming in towards the end of that song. Again that way,

3682
02:51:24,959 --> 02:51:27,680
it's just like this dude is such an unhingeed focus

3683
02:51:27,719 --> 02:51:30,040
and what he can do. But it just like the

3684
02:51:30,159 --> 02:51:34,239
hundred commitment to everything and again the sort of brilliant

3685
02:51:34,239 --> 02:51:39,159
bounce of delicacy and just snarling power just makes these songs.

3686
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:40,399
It gives you songs so much life.

3687
02:51:41,079 --> 02:51:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, another great Lepress record from bands who deserves even

3688
02:51:43,959 --> 02:51:46,840
more popularity than they already have. Right, this has been

3689
02:51:46,879 --> 02:51:49,520
a big old grab bag of reviews, so we're going

3690
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:53,399
to end it now with Nil and their record The

3691
02:51:53,559 --> 02:51:57,120
Underworld Awaits Us All. One of the greatest death metal

3692
02:51:57,159 --> 02:51:59,479
bands of all time. I think we can say their

3693
02:51:59,559 --> 02:52:02,520
heyday in the early two thousands comes a good decade

3694
02:52:02,639 --> 02:52:04,879
after the initial peak of the deathnal genre. But I

3695
02:52:04,920 --> 02:52:06,319
think it's fair to say that the work that they

3696
02:52:06,399 --> 02:52:08,239
produced and the manner in which they were able to

3697
02:52:08,239 --> 02:52:11,079
sort of re energize that scene totally put them in

3698
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:13,399
the cannon where you don't question putting them next to

3699
02:52:13,680 --> 02:52:16,520
Death and Morbid Angel and Suffocation and whoever else. You

3700
02:52:16,559 --> 02:52:19,159
also then have the matter of their consistency. This is

3701
02:52:19,239 --> 02:52:21,959
now their tenth full length album, and while I think

3702
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:23,600
they might have some albums that are not as well

3703
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:26,159
loved as their classics, and their rate of production has

3704
02:52:26,239 --> 02:52:28,440
slowed down, and whatever else, I think they are still

3705
02:52:28,520 --> 02:52:31,479
perceived as like operating at a level of quality that

3706
02:52:31,639 --> 02:52:34,840
is pretty close still to what people want from Nile. Elliott,

3707
02:52:34,879 --> 02:52:38,639
how do you perceive Nile's longevity and how excited might

3708
02:52:38,680 --> 02:52:40,559
you be at any given point for a new Night record?

3709
02:52:41,479 --> 02:52:44,399
Speaker 2: I think longevity I don't think you can really call

3710
02:52:44,440 --> 02:52:47,399
into question because, as am I get to in a second,

3711
02:52:47,799 --> 02:52:51,479
the last decade of Nile albums haven't quite blown me

3712
02:52:51,559 --> 02:52:53,840
away the way the classic run does. If you look

3713
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:56,319
at Cascombs of Nephron Car Black Seas of Vengeance in

3714
02:52:56,360 --> 02:52:58,959
their Darkened Shrines, Annihilation of the Wicked, Ifphalic and those

3715
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:01,440
Who in the Gods Detest, that is a run of

3716
02:53:01,559 --> 02:53:04,559
six as good as I think really any death metal

3717
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:06,799
band has ever managed, you know, up there with your

3718
02:53:07,000 --> 02:53:12,399
morbid Angels, your deaths, cannibal corpses, and it's harsh to

3719
02:53:12,440 --> 02:53:16,280
hold someone or a band to that standard. But that

3720
02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:19,360
being said, it has been at least one since I've

3721
02:53:19,440 --> 02:53:22,120
loved a Nile album, but I always really like them.

3722
02:53:23,079 --> 02:53:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done an album club when Annihilates and the Wicked,

3723
02:53:25,959 --> 02:53:27,559
and we will often mention Nil as one of the

3724
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:29,520
great extreme bands, but we haven't actually reviewed one of

3725
02:53:29,559 --> 02:53:32,440
the new albums before. I don't think we did have

3726
02:53:32,559 --> 02:53:34,239
like as you're sort of saying, we had a short

3727
02:53:34,239 --> 02:53:36,159
little conversation before this about just sort of some of

3728
02:53:36,200 --> 02:53:38,239
their recent material. I think we have a slight different

3729
02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:41,040
perception where basically I think we both like all of

3730
02:53:41,079 --> 02:53:43,920
their records. At the Gator Cethu is their sort of

3731
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:46,680
most widely derided and it has some execution problems, but

3732
02:53:46,719 --> 02:53:48,600
it's still got the themes who come to steal the

3733
02:53:48,639 --> 02:53:50,360
magic has deceased on it, which I think is a

3734
02:53:50,399 --> 02:53:54,040
classic Nile song. The last one, Vile Ninotic Rites, I think,

3735
02:53:54,120 --> 02:53:56,719
similarly had a sort of shinier glossier sound to it,

3736
02:53:57,239 --> 02:53:59,879
in a slightly more well rounded, less off putting for

3737
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:02,280
people kind of way. I think our difference is, I

3738
02:54:02,520 --> 02:54:04,959
think what should be what should not be unearthed in

3739
02:54:05,719 --> 02:54:08,440
between those records in twenty fifteen is outstanding, and it's

3740
02:54:08,680 --> 02:54:11,159
very nearly at that peak Nile. I think I'd even

3741
02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:12,840
have it over if Ethanic of that sort of run,

3742
02:54:13,440 --> 02:54:16,120
and I think it sort of sounds, you know, a

3743
02:54:16,200 --> 02:54:18,520
bit out of line with those other two out aside,

3744
02:54:18,559 --> 02:54:20,719
because it is darker and heavier, and it has more

3745
02:54:20,760 --> 02:54:23,920
of that sort of musty unearthed tomb quality that I say,

3746
02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:26,840
sit with Nile at their best while having some of

3747
02:54:26,879 --> 02:54:29,879
the most like well written, direct catchy songs of the

3748
02:54:29,920 --> 02:54:32,200
modern era. Call to destruction evil, to cast out Evil

3749
02:54:32,200 --> 02:54:35,079
particularly is fucking amazing. So for me, I think I

3750
02:54:35,159 --> 02:54:36,840
generally agree with you, but just I want to point

3751
02:54:36,840 --> 02:54:39,600
out Nil have had for me within the last ten

3752
02:54:39,719 --> 02:54:42,600
years a record that nails a great deal of what

3753
02:54:42,799 --> 02:54:45,000
made them so brilliant in the kind of mid two thousands,

3754
02:54:45,360 --> 02:54:48,200
the underworld that waits us all. It's always a matter

3755
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:50,680
of sort of wading through the hyperbole from publications that

3756
02:54:50,719 --> 02:54:52,879
won't actually stick with the public or whatever. But the

3757
02:54:52,920 --> 02:54:56,399
reception to it seems currently pretty good and maybe amongst

3758
02:54:56,440 --> 02:54:59,000
the better received records of their sort of latter career stage.

3759
02:54:59,239 --> 02:54:59,840
What do you make of that?

3760
02:55:01,319 --> 02:55:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know for me one of the

3761
02:55:03,639 --> 02:55:06,280
problems over the last couple of NYL records, And it's

3762
02:55:06,319 --> 02:55:08,959
interesting to me that you hear that in What Should

3763
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:11,120
Not Be on Earth, because to be honest, I don't

3764
02:55:11,280 --> 02:55:15,040
is that sort of exhumed cryptic quality that makes the

3765
02:55:15,159 --> 02:55:16,840
special NUL material so special.

3766
02:55:17,159 --> 02:55:19,399
Speaker 1: It's the one that stands out of the last four records.

3767
02:55:19,399 --> 02:55:21,719
I think that does kind of have a sniffleert.

3768
02:55:21,719 --> 02:55:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do kind of accept that that's broadly

3769
02:55:26,239 --> 02:55:28,040
gone now. I don't know if Nil are going to

3770
02:55:28,079 --> 02:55:29,680
make another album that sounds quite like that At the

3771
02:55:29,719 --> 02:55:31,479
Gates of Sethie had it, but I think that's mainly

3772
02:55:31,559 --> 02:55:34,600
because the production was just quite weird, so it sounded

3773
02:55:34,920 --> 02:55:39,200
so unlike another death metal album of its time. And

3774
02:55:40,840 --> 02:55:43,559
I think a major part of why I wasn't as

3775
02:55:43,680 --> 02:55:46,600
keen on Vold Nahlostic Rights as some people were is

3776
02:55:46,840 --> 02:55:50,520
without Dallas, I think there's always going to be something

3777
02:55:51,159 --> 02:55:55,120
slightly missing from the recipe because he has one of

3778
02:55:55,159 --> 02:55:59,280
the most distinct vocal styles of any death metal singer

3779
02:55:59,319 --> 02:56:02,879
and this real evil, demented tone that played off well

3780
02:56:02,959 --> 02:56:06,200
with Carl. So going into this record having sort of

3781
02:56:06,239 --> 02:56:08,639
adjusted to those things that I love so much not

3782
02:56:08,760 --> 02:56:13,360
being there, I was probably in a better place anyway.

3783
02:56:13,799 --> 02:56:16,719
And I think you're saying about it being more warmly

3784
02:56:16,799 --> 02:56:20,520
received than their last few records. Maybe I think that

3785
02:56:21,239 --> 02:56:24,760
is sort of how at it this album sounds, because

3786
02:56:24,920 --> 02:56:27,559
even if it's not as cryptic and exhumed as the

3787
02:56:27,639 --> 02:56:31,079
earlier stuff, I don't think they've sounded this fired up

3788
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:33,920
since maybe those whom the Gods detest.

3789
02:56:34,920 --> 02:56:39,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think sonically this record is not miles off

3790
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,079
like the last one in terms of like that kind

3791
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:43,959
of clarity. And I agree, I think that that ultimate

3792
02:56:44,079 --> 02:56:47,239
like cavernous oppressiveness of their early records. I think he's

3793
02:56:47,280 --> 02:56:48,680
still gone from it. And like I said, watch It

3794
02:56:48,760 --> 02:56:50,559
Not Be on Earth is the modern record that comes

3795
02:56:50,639 --> 02:56:55,200
closest to evoking that. But generally I think Nile Records

3796
02:56:55,239 --> 02:56:57,920
are past sounding like fucking in their darkest shrines right

3797
02:56:58,680 --> 02:57:01,920
Comparatively their two thousand's work, I think Nil Do sound

3798
02:57:01,959 --> 02:57:04,760
a little bit more sterile now, and there is this

3799
02:57:04,879 --> 02:57:06,879
kind of ultra precise, finicky sort of sound on things

3800
02:57:06,879 --> 02:57:09,319
like the drums or whatever. I think this record is

3801
02:57:11,079 --> 02:57:13,520
quite speedy and aggressive a lot of the time in

3802
02:57:13,639 --> 02:57:17,040
a way that like eschews some of the you know,

3803
02:57:18,200 --> 02:57:19,360
I don't think of it this way, but let's just

3804
02:57:19,399 --> 02:57:20,760
call it some of the bullshit, right, Like it just

3805
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:22,920
it kind of cuts away a lot of the extra

3806
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:25,680
whatever and just goes pretty fucking fore throttle for a

3807
02:57:25,760 --> 02:57:27,200
lot of it in a way that maybe that is

3808
02:57:27,239 --> 02:57:29,280
what people who are really chiming with it are kind

3809
02:57:29,280 --> 02:57:33,239
of kind of hearing, you know, the first track like

3810
02:57:33,280 --> 02:57:35,159
it starts with again six and a half minutes song,

3811
02:57:35,280 --> 02:57:38,760
but you're just bombarded with like ballistic Eastern sounding, you know,

3812
02:57:38,879 --> 02:57:43,600
dual lead guitars, time changes, wild blasts. Sam. I'm curious

3813
02:57:43,639 --> 02:57:47,639
for you because you know, clinical tech death. I would

3814
02:57:47,639 --> 02:57:49,879
probably imagine the area of death metal that least grabs

3815
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:54,479
your interest. Nill have so much personality and character already

3816
02:57:54,559 --> 02:57:57,920
built up inherent in their sound. I think, uh, you

3817
02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:01,239
know again, it's modern Nile, which maybe are you know,

3818
02:58:01,520 --> 02:58:03,680
cleaner and a little bit less kind of strange and

3819
02:58:03,760 --> 02:58:06,799
unearthly as they were in their prime. How does that

3820
02:58:06,959 --> 02:58:08,959
balance sort of strike for you? What side does it land?

3821
02:58:08,959 --> 02:58:11,280
Because I could imagine you really being bored by this record,

3822
02:58:11,280 --> 02:58:13,479
and I could also imagine just being like, oh fuck yeah, nil.

3823
02:58:14,639 --> 02:58:16,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is one while I was kind of like, oh,

3824
02:58:16,879 --> 02:58:21,920
that character, that personality kind of overrides the the more

3825
02:58:22,000 --> 02:58:24,239
kind of like sterile tech death stuff that I can

3826
02:58:24,399 --> 02:58:25,120
find a little doll.

3827
02:58:25,319 --> 02:58:28,399
Speaker 4: I really like this. I've not got every other Nile album.

3828
02:58:28,200 --> 02:58:31,280
Speaker 3: To compare it to. Again, I like just this kind

3829
02:58:31,280 --> 02:58:35,000
of had this just like this m a weirdly comforting

3830
02:58:35,120 --> 02:58:37,479
kind of listen to me where there was just sounds

3831
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:39,680
on this album where it was like drum fills riffs

3832
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:41,000
and I was I was like, I just like how

3833
02:58:41,079 --> 02:58:42,559
that sounds? Now, what have you done to me?

3834
02:58:42,639 --> 02:58:43,000
Speaker 4: Peren?

3835
02:58:43,200 --> 02:58:45,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think because this is so at it

3836
02:58:46,360 --> 02:58:49,440
like alongside all the mad technicality and like kind of

3837
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:53,079
like guitar wankery that can sometimes find a bit tedious because.

3838
02:58:52,879 --> 02:58:55,600
Speaker 4: It's so going for the throat. At the same time,

3839
02:58:55,920 --> 02:58:57,040
I found it a really thrilling.

3840
02:58:57,079 --> 02:58:59,440
Speaker 3: Listen. Have you even got something like to strike a

3841
02:58:59,479 --> 02:59:02,159
Secret Fans? Which is just kind of like sub two minutes,

3842
02:59:02,200 --> 02:59:04,239
here's just a kind of crazy blast of riffs. I

3843
02:59:04,319 --> 02:59:05,319
was like, oh, fuck, yeah, that's.

3844
02:59:05,200 --> 02:59:06,959
Speaker 1: What kind of black metal EDGs that song it's pretty cool.

3845
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:09,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that song's really cool. But I'm not gonna

3846
02:59:09,799 --> 02:59:11,479
say the full song. I'll just gonna cale it chapter

3847
02:59:11,559 --> 02:59:16,000
the lead single. Like that song is manic. It's got

3848
02:59:16,079 --> 02:59:18,719
like I mean, that song is incredible. I think like

3849
02:59:19,159 --> 02:59:22,520
the riffing is like really intensely violent. It's really brutal,

3850
02:59:22,559 --> 02:59:26,239
but it's got like kind of fucking weirdly infectious moments

3851
02:59:26,280 --> 02:59:29,799
of hooks on it, like the way he screams feces

3852
02:59:29,959 --> 02:59:33,079
like it's like insane, but that song is just like

3853
02:59:33,319 --> 02:59:35,040
kind of just so attention grabbing. I mean, that song

3854
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:35,639
is incredible.

3855
02:59:36,600 --> 02:59:39,120
Speaker 2: I think that's not only the best song title of

3856
02:59:39,159 --> 02:59:40,760
the year, and I think we should take a moment too.

3857
02:59:41,079 --> 02:59:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally want to say the full song title.

3858
02:59:43,239 --> 02:59:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and do it because

3859
02:59:45,079 --> 02:59:46,600
I think that, particularly when it was released as the

3860
02:59:46,680 --> 02:59:49,280
lead single. That's part of the joy of Nil is

3861
02:59:49,399 --> 02:59:52,239
every death metal fan stopped threw up their hands in

3862
02:59:52,280 --> 02:59:55,719
the air, went yeay chapter for not being hung upside

3863
02:59:55,719 --> 02:59:57,440
down on a stake in the underworld and made to

3864
02:59:57,479 --> 03:00:02,600
eat feces by the Four Apes. Yeah, just celebrating and

3865
03:00:03,040 --> 03:00:04,920
hell yeah, no one other than Nile is going to

3866
03:00:04,959 --> 03:00:07,639
write that song. Cheer every single time the title has

3867
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:10,760
another word that scrolls by on your dreaming platform, you know.

3868
03:00:11,319 --> 03:00:14,879
And yeah, wicked track just sound of carnage. The first

3869
03:00:14,959 --> 03:00:18,440
like ten seconds of it are really fun, screamaric and manic.

3870
03:00:19,399 --> 03:00:21,479
The catchiest riff in it is like a minute and

3871
03:00:21,520 --> 03:00:23,000
a half in when it just does that like manic

3872
03:00:23,079 --> 03:00:26,079
tech thrash thing, And yeah, it's fun. It's pleasurable to

3873
03:00:26,159 --> 03:00:28,120
listen to, which I think is the key joy of Nile.

3874
03:00:28,959 --> 03:00:31,040
Now you know, maybe they're not so scary now and

3875
03:00:31,159 --> 03:00:33,879
so genuinely kind of as I said, unearthly, But a

3876
03:00:33,959 --> 03:00:36,399
track like that is plain old fun to listen to

3877
03:00:36,479 --> 03:00:36,879
if you are.

3878
03:00:36,840 --> 03:00:39,319
Speaker 2: A fan, and I I'll just there have so many

3879
03:00:39,399 --> 03:00:42,479
songs where one or two lines will just stick with

3880
03:00:42,559 --> 03:00:45,000
you forever, like that that one you mentioned off at

3881
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:47,200
the Gates at Cethu. I don't listen to that more

3882
03:00:47,239 --> 03:00:49,559
that much, but sometimes my brain just goes Crocodiles are

3883
03:00:49,559 --> 03:00:49,959
the West.

3884
03:00:51,799 --> 03:00:53,840
Speaker 1: I do the same thing. It's so catchy that tune,

3885
03:00:54,040 --> 03:00:55,079
and this one I don't even know what.

3886
03:00:55,120 --> 03:00:59,520
Speaker 2: The words are when it's going the the feces. That's

3887
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:02,719
just like in my head forever now. And when I

3888
03:01:02,760 --> 03:01:04,760
think of Niall, I'm gonna think of that song. And

3889
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:08,680
that's pretty impressive for a death metal band ten albums

3890
03:01:08,719 --> 03:01:11,840
in to even have one song like that is a success,

3891
03:01:11,959 --> 03:01:13,879
and there's a few to strike with. Secret Fang Again

3892
03:01:14,040 --> 03:01:17,000
has his big chance under two minutes long brilliant change

3893
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:20,879
of pace on the record Nakada to enter the Golden age,

3894
03:01:21,239 --> 03:01:23,680
that sort of criminally insane breakdown at the end with

3895
03:01:23,760 --> 03:01:26,799
what sounds like a gospel choir Like those choir.

3896
03:01:26,680 --> 03:01:30,479
Speaker 3: Vocals are mentally have they been used before? Are they

3897
03:01:30,600 --> 03:01:33,879
sort of something unique to this record, because again, like yeah,

3898
03:01:33,920 --> 03:01:35,959
I'm not again, I've got a lot of content kind of.

3899
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just want to get back to Nicada

3900
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:39,479
to ends the Golden Age. I like the title of

3901
03:01:39,520 --> 03:01:41,440
that sounds like some kind of anime spin off movie,

3902
03:01:41,559 --> 03:01:44,120
you know, it's like it's just a game. Yeah, extensively

3903
03:01:45,000 --> 03:01:46,719
and again weird grooves in that where it's almost like

3904
03:01:46,760 --> 03:01:49,600
the process like uh, prog death Nil, I've gotten a

3905
03:01:49,639 --> 03:01:52,040
bit to that. But yeah, the thing on this that

3906
03:01:52,200 --> 03:01:54,040
I think I'm gonna associate with, oh yeah, that's the

3907
03:01:54,040 --> 03:01:56,120
thing they do on that record that I really like

3908
03:01:56,319 --> 03:02:00,239
is the choir parts. And like they've used weird clean

3909
03:02:00,360 --> 03:02:03,239
vocals and again sort of choir parts and stuff before,

3910
03:02:03,440 --> 03:02:05,360
but the ones on this record have a very distinctive

3911
03:02:05,440 --> 03:02:07,239
tone to them, and it feels like a deliberate thing

3912
03:02:07,280 --> 03:02:09,479
They've decided to play with a lot more on this

3913
03:02:09,799 --> 03:02:12,200
and it is again it's it's like Egyptian gospel choir

3914
03:02:12,440 --> 03:02:14,959
or something like a kind of congregation in an ancient temple,

3915
03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:16,840
like shouting things back at you. And it's really fun

3916
03:02:16,879 --> 03:02:18,600
then to me, Like that provides to me like the

3917
03:02:18,639 --> 03:02:22,520
best hooks on this record are really like, Uh, what's

3918
03:02:22,600 --> 03:02:26,799
the really really fucking catchy song? I think it's Overlord

3919
03:02:26,840 --> 03:02:32,399
of the Black Earth really fucking cool. And um, I

3920
03:02:32,440 --> 03:02:37,159
guess vocally you were talking Elliott about, you know, Dallas

3921
03:02:37,200 --> 03:02:39,639
Tollawaid part of the band at while ago. Nia'll have

3922
03:02:39,719 --> 03:02:44,680
this like try vocal set up where it's three guys

3923
03:02:44,760 --> 03:02:47,920
now but five. I think there's five in the band.

3924
03:02:47,959 --> 03:02:50,360
I think four of them do vocals now, fucking know,

3925
03:02:50,399 --> 03:02:53,520
I was thoughtly three Anyway, I guess I'll ask you again.

3926
03:02:53,639 --> 03:02:57,319
Carl's always there. Carl has had to train other people

3927
03:02:57,639 --> 03:03:00,399
to kind of fill those voids, as Brian, who debuted

3928
03:03:00,440 --> 03:03:02,319
on the last record, and there's at least a third

3929
03:03:02,360 --> 03:03:04,479
guy who is with a new guy on this record.

3930
03:03:05,319 --> 03:03:06,920
So they've been a bit of a state of upheaval

3931
03:03:07,000 --> 03:03:09,639
since doubt all A. Wade left and they're getting these

3932
03:03:09,639 --> 03:03:12,200
sort of voices coming into the fore. I guess, how

3933
03:03:12,280 --> 03:03:13,920
do you if that was an element for you where

3934
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:16,120
you feel like that was sort of missing, how are

3935
03:03:16,159 --> 03:03:17,040
you sort of accustomed to it?

3936
03:03:18,600 --> 03:03:22,000
Speaker 2: I think getting at least two new people to come

3937
03:03:22,040 --> 03:03:24,920
on to replace Dallas is a good move because the

3938
03:03:25,120 --> 03:03:27,920
likelihood that you're going to find someone with that distinctive

3939
03:03:27,959 --> 03:03:32,600
style that suits Nile as well as him is basically

3940
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:35,239
impossible for me. He was always on my favorite parts

3941
03:03:35,360 --> 03:03:38,040
of their sound, but getting two or three more people

3942
03:03:38,079 --> 03:03:41,760
to come in it does sort of add to the calamitous,

3943
03:03:42,360 --> 03:03:45,719
exciting nature of their music. I think if you can't

3944
03:03:45,760 --> 03:03:50,360
find someone with a similarly distinctive tone, it's good to

3945
03:03:50,399 --> 03:03:52,760
have a couple of distinct ones that you can deploy

3946
03:03:53,040 --> 03:03:55,120
at any one time. And I think they do a

3947
03:03:55,200 --> 03:03:58,000
really good job. I do think as well as the

3948
03:03:58,079 --> 03:04:02,639
production gripes that we've sought shared, it ultimately means it

3949
03:04:02,680 --> 03:04:05,639
doesn't feel like a fully fledged Nile record. Sometimes there's

3950
03:04:05,639 --> 03:04:07,479
moments on the album I thing I would actually prefer

3951
03:04:07,559 --> 03:04:11,479
to hear Dallas doing that. But I do think having

3952
03:04:11,559 --> 03:04:14,840
the two or three voices or four voices, whatever it is,

3953
03:04:15,319 --> 03:04:18,360
at any given time, I think it means that that

3954
03:04:18,440 --> 03:04:20,920
there's moments that lift that maybe wouldn't otherwise.

3955
03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that just to go back to the

3956
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:26,840
little general atmosphere idea, the atmosphere in Nil, which is

3957
03:04:27,000 --> 03:04:28,840
one of the key things that really elevated them from

3958
03:04:28,920 --> 03:04:31,479
being a sort of straight up tech death band it's

3959
03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:33,000
not a one size fits all thing. It kind of

3960
03:04:33,040 --> 03:04:35,079
comes from a couple different areas. Part of it is

3961
03:04:35,639 --> 03:04:38,520
the more overt sort of world building e elements, things

3962
03:04:38,559 --> 03:04:41,399
like orchestration, whatever, And I think the last record, well,

3963
03:04:41,719 --> 03:04:44,000
it writes a little bit heavier on that. Maybe this record,

3964
03:04:44,079 --> 03:04:46,559
like we said, quite brutal, quite straight down a line aggressive.

3965
03:04:46,719 --> 03:04:49,559
The other side where the atmosphere really comes from, is

3966
03:04:49,639 --> 03:04:53,520
like that sheer heaviness and darkness, and that like musty

3967
03:04:53,680 --> 03:04:56,040
dustiness of it, which does sound like, you know, the

3968
03:04:56,120 --> 03:04:58,120
old Nile records sound that they are thousands of years

3969
03:04:58,159 --> 03:05:01,399
old and like you've released some of a sarcophagus by

3970
03:05:01,440 --> 03:05:05,079
opening them. And I think in their prime Nile were

3971
03:05:05,079 --> 03:05:07,200
one of the best bands at creating that feeling just

3972
03:05:07,399 --> 03:05:09,280
through the heavy essence of their rifts before you even

3973
03:05:09,280 --> 03:05:12,680
added anything else. On this record, again, it's cleaner still

3974
03:05:13,399 --> 03:05:16,440
than those, So for a more brutal record and not

3975
03:05:16,559 --> 03:05:18,239
quite having that, I think that element is not the

3976
03:05:18,280 --> 03:05:20,479
strongest it's ever been, even amongst their last sort of

3977
03:05:20,479 --> 03:05:25,479
four or five records. But no, they're just great, and

3978
03:05:25,559 --> 03:05:28,040
it's just it's it's hard to hear this and not admire,

3979
03:05:28,280 --> 03:05:31,239
you know, the craft on display from guys who really masuds.

3980
03:05:31,239 --> 03:05:32,920
I realized as well. It wasn't Overlawds the Black Earth

3981
03:05:32,920 --> 03:05:34,559
I was thinking of. It's under the curse of the

3982
03:05:34,600 --> 03:05:37,920
One God, which has that under the and it's got

3983
03:05:38,079 --> 03:05:43,360
you know, that really ceremonial vocal element that really Again,

3984
03:05:43,639 --> 03:05:45,360
that's an extra element that I think is really fun

3985
03:05:45,680 --> 03:05:48,120
on this And as it's really like bending, contorting acoustic

3986
03:05:48,239 --> 03:05:50,799
folk at the end, very unsettling, they do at the

3987
03:05:50,879 --> 03:05:53,719
end detour into a couple sort of longer, more down

3988
03:05:53,799 --> 03:05:56,799
tempo tracks. True Gods of the Desert is like Nil

3989
03:05:57,000 --> 03:05:59,040
sad but true or some shit like that.

3990
03:05:59,159 --> 03:06:03,200
Speaker 3: Groove is like black album Nil against longer but it is.

3991
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:08,319
It's like stomping groovy, like that's really cool.

3992
03:06:08,520 --> 03:06:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that has another of those hooks that Edi

3993
03:06:10,639 --> 03:06:12,479
just mentioned that will live in your head where it goes.

3994
03:06:12,600 --> 03:06:14,920
Speaker 3: It is written at the end in the Big you

3995
03:06:14,959 --> 03:06:15,760
might have been that one as well.

3996
03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I would say that this

3997
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:20,440
is the standout for me of their recent records. I

3998
03:06:20,440 --> 03:06:22,319
would say this is basically comparable to the last one,

3999
03:06:22,360 --> 03:06:25,040
which is of quality and very good death metal to me.

4000
03:06:25,639 --> 03:06:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I certainly prefer this to the last one.

4001
03:06:28,360 --> 03:06:33,280
I'd probably say it's about on par with what Should

4002
03:06:33,319 --> 03:06:36,840
Not be Unearthed for almost completely different reasons. I have

4003
03:06:36,959 --> 03:06:40,079
a almost seemingly unique love of Out the Gates of Cethe,

4004
03:06:40,159 --> 03:06:41,200
and I don't know if it's just the age I

4005
03:06:41,319 --> 03:06:44,079
was when it came out, or I like how quirky

4006
03:06:44,120 --> 03:06:48,719
it is. But for me, it's not the clear standout

4007
03:06:49,239 --> 03:06:51,120
of the last four if we want to divide the

4008
03:06:51,159 --> 03:06:54,079
discography up like that. But Nil are one of the

4009
03:06:54,120 --> 03:06:56,879
best death metal bands to ever exist. I don't expect

4010
03:06:56,920 --> 03:06:58,639
them to do anything that matches the run of the

4011
03:06:58,680 --> 03:07:02,200
first six, and if they're doing something to this standard,

4012
03:07:03,159 --> 03:07:06,879
that's great. I think this is just another really fucking

4013
03:07:06,959 --> 03:07:07,840
good NA record.

4014
03:07:08,440 --> 03:07:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carl Sanders is sixty one. He's the same age

4015
03:07:11,079 --> 03:07:13,440
as some of the guys in Saxon. He's about as

4016
03:07:13,479 --> 03:07:17,719
old as Brian Tatler is, and he's he's finding new

4017
03:07:17,760 --> 03:07:20,040
ways to write songs about monkey's sucking your skull and

4018
03:07:20,159 --> 03:07:23,280
throwing feaces it. It's pretty hardcore, you know. I love

4019
03:07:23,360 --> 03:07:24,680
the cover art as well. That maybe is one of

4020
03:07:24,719 --> 03:07:27,200
my favorites of theirs. I can totally envision Arnold vosslu

4021
03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:30,440
flying about inside that. So there you go nil the

4022
03:07:30,600 --> 03:07:33,159
underworld awaits us all. I felt like I was a

4023
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:35,760
little bit negative at times during that episode, but sometimes

4024
03:07:35,799 --> 03:07:37,280
you just feel that way about certain batch and there

4025
03:07:37,280 --> 03:07:40,399
are absolutely some incredible highlights in there to feast your

4026
03:07:40,440 --> 03:07:43,440
ears on, so go and do that. Thank you very

4027
03:07:43,520 --> 03:07:48,280
much for listening with us through this review's brackets. We

4028
03:07:48,760 --> 03:07:51,040
will be back in you know, the coming week, as

4029
03:07:51,120 --> 03:07:52,920
said early, with an album club pack over and that's

4030
03:07:52,959 --> 03:07:54,840
my patrire where we were going to be talking about Wasp,

4031
03:07:55,120 --> 03:07:59,600
the Distillers, Japanroids, Wattaan a fiery bunch and also not

4032
03:07:59,680 --> 03:08:01,440
very far other times, but that's how we do it

4033
03:08:01,520 --> 03:08:03,200
over here. So you can go and find that at

4034
03:08:03,200 --> 03:08:04,760
Patron of the com slash that's not metal if you

4035
03:08:04,799 --> 03:08:07,280
are so inclined to, uh, you know, sit with us

4036
03:08:07,360 --> 03:08:11,280
for a couple more hours talking about some sick fucking music. Otherwise,

4037
03:08:11,559 --> 03:08:14,000
we will be back next week with a normal hype

4038
03:08:14,040 --> 03:08:17,200
blast to get you know, those flowing again. So we

4039
03:08:17,319 --> 03:08:19,920
will see you there, but for now, CHEERYO byye