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pekan Yona Show for the first time. Cameron McGregor is here.

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How are you doing, Cameron?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great. That the weather sublime here on

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opaque sky. So I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: We got it's it hasn't hit here yet. It's June

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in Alabama, and I haven't had a day where I

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was like, there is no way I'm stepping outside the door.

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It's just it's been. It's been great so far.

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Speaker 2: That means we're talking not above seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Not above eighty or eighty five. All right, tell everybody

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a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Well, first, foremost and a blob ball. Thank

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you Peter for hosting me. Uh you know, I am

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one of the co hosts of The Backlash and they

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speak very highly of you, and a lot of our

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So thank you for doing that. Thank you for hosting me.

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For those of you who do not know my name

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is Cameron McGregor, I suppose I call myself a YouTuber

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that is, but I make videos and I put them

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on YouTube. The thrust of my work is really written.

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But as I'm sure you've discovered, Peter, writing is just

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a shrinking audience unfortunately. So I write a lot on

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SUBTAC for a substect called Men in the City, and

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strength is a weakness. I'm not sure, but I write

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about everything from the sexual marketplace to the JQ, to

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global globalization, dedollarization, international relations, military strate I mean, all

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kinds of things, but it's all under the rubric of

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something I call neo masculinity, which I suppose we'll talk

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nationalism that I think is about to explode in the

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the golf in two thousand and eight. I was actually

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remember that bad Tom Hanks movie about that. Anyway, I

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of Americans don't fully process or understand, in part because

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well informed, open minded, that sort of thing. But we

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think the United States should be thought of as an

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timeline I guess of the United States into four parts.

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process of the United States. That's when Anglo Protestantism showed

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the seeds of the nation that would become. That's when

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my ancestors came here. They arrived in sixteen twenty with

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Bradford and the Mayflower. So I am part of the

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founding stock. And that's a very conscious thing in my life.

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as you would call it to me, it is a

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very real and visceral, spiritual, metaphysical thing, and it was

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initial a character of the nation. Then you get the

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Revolutionary War, and the Revolutionary War, as the Tookeville and

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many others said, was not a revolution. It was a

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war separation. It was a war in which you had

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the yoke of the British Empire. But for all intents

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and purposes, the principles, the culture, the values, the institutions,

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et cetera, et cetera, were all incubated and incorporated from

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the British Empire. But we wanted our independence. Part of

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the Anglican Church. That was a very powerful driver. Part

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it was because we just didn't want a foreign king

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to govern us. But that presented some problems, well, how

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a very ill advised, loosely drafted document we call the Constitution. Now,

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a lot of people who when they talk about the

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United States, they fetishize the Constitution. They in other words,

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they sort of associate America with the Constitution. I do

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not do so to me, and I think you were

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the Saint Peter. I think of a nation as its people,

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not necessarily as a document. But what that document essentially

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we basically were a nation of nations. We were a

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nation of free states that all had sovereign power relative

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to the national government, which was still at that time

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fairly weak. That's what a historian named Donald Livingston. I

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don't know if you know who that is. He calls

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that Jeffersonian America. I think that's an accurate assessment. That

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then lasts from the seventeen eighties more or less until

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you get to eighteen sixty and you get to the

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beginning of the Civil War in eighteen sixty one. The

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Civil War was a war of federalization. It was a

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war in which the sovereign states were subsumed underneath a

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national government. That was the beginning as Livingston himself calls

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it the beginning of Linconi in America. And there are

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a lot of distinctions, but just to be brief, in

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addition to sovereignty vesting in the people and with the

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federal government, you got this idea of an American creed.

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clear ethnic or racial consciousness that defied the country. That's

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not to say that it died, then, it is to

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community than before, and I think that's accurate. Nonetheless, we remained,

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cold civil war in the United States. It was the

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time of political disintegration in which the institutions of power. Yes,

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driver of roy We stand today. But they've also aged,

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some of it is adolescence. And that brings us to today,

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what I would call an interregnum and the emergence of

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a new America. And this will bring about a war

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of integration in which the national idea identity or a

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character of the country, the real country, which i'll elaborate

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on in just a moment, reintegrates into the state. Now,

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now we're entering into a period of integration in which

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the state and the people, the ethnos, the national identity

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a modernization project. It will also terminate, it will end

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the constitutional order. The constitutional order, as far as I'm concerned,

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a post consensus kind of rule. Like anyone who anyone

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who's going to be elected, anybody who's going to govern,

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of authority, of authoritarianism, and we're going to get left

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in the same class. How that happened, I'm sure, I

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don't know. But it was called A State of Exception,

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which is written by an Italian named Giorgio Agaman. Are

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you familiar to that book, I'm not. Okay, it's an

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excellent book. It's one you should do on your show.

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But in that book he talks about the state of exception,

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where the rule of law or the legacy authority breaks

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down and you get a period of succession. Now, I've

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said repeatedly on the backlash, and I've said it on

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other interviews that I've done, and I'm not sure a

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lot of people understand what the hell I'm talking about because

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there's this fixation on succession, in other words, fragmentation, Balkanization,

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et cetera, et cetera. But actually it's the sort of

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constitutional order that's going to crumble. Now. I think that

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means transition, and that will be a difficult time to

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be sure, and just to be clear with you, because

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a lot of people, you know, when I have these discussions,

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it's sort of like hard to imagine, what are you

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talking about. We have a debt crisis right now, a

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debt crisis for which there is no answer. A lot

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of people will tell you there's an answer, that there

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are certain incremental reforms we can make. Now we're going

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to default, and that's the answer. That is the right an.

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So that's the way the game ends. We need to default,

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we need to declare new currency. In a sense, that's

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what we're going to do with the constitutional order. We're

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going to sort of default on that order and we're

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going to create a new order on top of it. Now,

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when these things happen, if you go back to I

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suppose the French Revolution might be might be an example

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of this, the character of the nation really comes to

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the fore. So another book that I think addresses as

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well written by Gustaf Lebon It's called The Crowd, and

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in that book he says that the character of people

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really comes to the surface during crisis, when you get

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these moments of distress and disarray, and all of a

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sudden there's a coagulant that happens. Now, I would argue

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that that's metaphysical, that it's spiritual, but that there's a connection, Peter,

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between you and me and all of the other people

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in this country who are real Americans, and that will congeal.

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Now I've said that we will congeal into a neo Leviathan. Again,

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Leviathan is sort of a pejorative term, but I don't

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look at it that way, in part because Hobbs didn't

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look at it that way. Hobbs was initially talking about

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kings or monarchs either. He was talking about a new

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authority that would emerge to fill the vacuum. I think

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that new authority is already a mergent, that it's already

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beginning to flesh itself out. You're an example of that.

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It's happening in the alternative media, it's happening in the

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red pill community. It's happening in the cryptosphere. All of

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these are new expressions of a mass mobilization that has

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yet defined its order. But that's where we're headed now.

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That will almost certainly result in appointing people that are Cromwellian.

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Now to address one of your fears, which is a

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legitimate fear, is okay, well, why wouldn't that Cromwellian be

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a neo Lenin And this is something I've talked about too.

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I don't think that's the way it's going to go

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because during the period of pluralism the left and frankly,

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these terms just don't really mean anything anymore anyway. I

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would say it's globalism and it's nationalism. That's it. That

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sort of dichotomy died. I think over the last five

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to ten years it's just dead. And that's why you

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see these sort of bizarre alliances that blur these lines.

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You're getting something different, something that's integrative. But the left

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over the last fifty to eighty years has one They've

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won everything. They control all of the institutions of power,

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and I would say the elites that dominate the institutions

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of power, which I really refer to as the gerontocracy

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or the financial elites. They're completely degenerate. And I don't

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mean that they're immoral. What I mean is that they're incompetent,

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that they no longer know how to operate the machinery

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of government, that they are bankrupt, and to some degree

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you see this in the Trump administration. By the way,

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I would not characterize Trump as part necessarily of what

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we are describing at all. Trump is trying to conserve

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the pluralistic order, which is why he is failing. It's

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not just that the institutions behind him don't want the

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manifestation of a sort of nationalist agenda. It's not just that.

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It's also that Trump really has no idea what the

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hell I'm even talking about. He doesn't sense the moment

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that we're in, and he thinks that he became president

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because of himself, not because there's some transcendent movement that's

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pushing us in the direction that I'm describing. But the

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point is, I don't think it's going to be the left.

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The left is sort of withered on the vine. Now

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people will say, well, yeah, but it hasn't the right

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experience of saying yes, yes it has. And most of

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my commentary Peter, I don't even mention politics. I didn't

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even mention Trump because what's happening politically is irrelevant. The

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invisible forces, things like nationalism, things like masculinity, neo masculinity.

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There's an now chemical transformation that's happening that's explosive. This

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is feeding what I would say revolutionary ideas on the

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right or in the nationalism that's happening not just in

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the United States, but in Canada, it's happening in Europe.

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that in part because I've been to a lot of

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these countries and I met with a lot of these folks.

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But the short of it is that these sort of

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revolutionary ideas, one of which is that democracy doesn't work anymore,

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that the constitutional order is broken. Another is that we

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have a Zionist problem that we have to deal with

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a sort of Jewish intellectualism that has acted like a

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cancer in our society. And thirdly, I would say, is

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race realism that is beginning to scale. And yes, it's

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scaling in some ways that are a bit idiosyncratic, that

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produce these sort of culture personalities, but we're transitioning to

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a much more extreme, much more mobilized form that I

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think is poised to sort of take back control. One

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other point here, so I can give you to a

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crystal clear example of this, because again a lot of

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that's sort of vague talk, but what I'm not talking

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about is necessarily a candidate that shows up in some

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remarte part of the country and says, okay, well, this

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is my platform. That's what I'm going to do. As

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much as you're going to see a network effect sort

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of like what you see with bitcoin, in which you've

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got all of these communities, corporate structures, financial organizations that

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can yeal into a bigger movement, and Peter you and

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I are part of it. That's what the backlash is

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a part of in my view, and that's what this

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sort of vanguard ism is part of. So hopefully that

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answers your question. In other words, succession not succession, integration

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not disintegration, and are reimagining of the country. And just

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one last point on this too, because I think this

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is really important. Yes, I am of the Founding Ethos,

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Yes my family's Anglo Protestant, but Peter you and I

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are the same and nationalism creates a new thing that

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blends the modern with the traditional, and I think that

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is white nationalism and Christian nationalism, which is certainly not

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the same today as it was in the seventeenth century.

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But we are Americans, and that new American national identity

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is what's going to take power.

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Speaker 1: What do you see as the high culture of that

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what is it based upon.

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Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of your interview on the

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backlashing you were asked to You were asked that question,

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I think by Rebecca, and then you mentioned I can't

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remember if it was in response for later on, but

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you talked about themisticals I'm sorry, not themistically as Thucidides

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and the history of the Peloponnesian War. One of the

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things that he talks about in the creation of the

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Athenian state is the Periclean building project, which was sort

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of instantiating the or memorializing the victories that Athens had

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won against Persia, and of I don't know, encompassing this

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sort of broader, this newly formed Athenian identity. It's going

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to be something like that. In other words, it's going

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to be the product of the conflict that we're going

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into this sort of racial cultural conflict, and I think

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you'll probably see new art forms. You'll probably see, as

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I said, a blend of sort of traditionalism with modernism,

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or a return to family values, a return to traditional

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gender norms. But it won't be the past. It will

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be some kind of synthesis with the modern world that

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we live in. So the answer your question is, I'm

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not sure exactly what it's going to be. I think

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we're in a state of becoming, not being. But whatever

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it's going to be, it will be the product of

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the conflict that we're fighting.

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Speaker 1: So one thing that I've noticed with start helping to

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start a group three years ago, the Old Glory Club,

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which is just the fraternity of Ben. And one thing

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I noticed was after we started doing live streams, we

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started getting our name out there and we had our

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first conference that the response of people men who wanted

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to join was so overwhelming that we could I mean,

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it was, and it's every one of them to a man.

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There are some who you know, want to concentrate nationally,

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maybe you know, maybe think about what the culture, what

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the culture looks like nationally, but as far as organization goes,

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they seem to really care about where they are, where

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they came from, and you know, preserving that is is

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that something you see going forward?

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Speaker 2: I do, and I think that's very scalable. The only

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distinction I would make is that part of what's going

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to happen is the vision sort of that I've outlined here, Peter,

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in a sense that we need parent organizational structure that

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can scale that. So again, it's important not to dismiss

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the way your opposition functions. You know, if you look

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if you go back to the nineteen sixties and you

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look at this sort of slow takeover of our institutions,

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most of it started in the financial system, then it

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spread to the law schools, then it spread to sort

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of these public action groups, all of which exists today

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and have taken over the system completely, which is why

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it's broken. It's why the system doesn't work anymore. We

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need to replicate that we need parent organizations, financial organization.

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These are things that I'm at present working on constructing

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so that we can consume, or rather subsume all of

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the things that you're describing into a bigger movement. Now

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we're not there yet, which is what you're seeing is

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sort of at the tactical level. It's this sort of

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spontaneous reorganization. It's going to start to, I think, explode.

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It's going to hit that network effect. And I say

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that because I think the racial problem is hitting a threshold.

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I think it's becoming apparent to even those that are

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desperately trying to avoid it, that we're in trouble. I

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see this with Frenchmen, I see it with Germans. I

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see it with white Americans, whether they live in Alabama

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or they live in Seattle, Washington. I was up in Vancouver,

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Canada earlier this year, and Canadians get a terrible rap,

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as you know, for being sort of these naive gumbies

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that have no idea what the hell is going on.

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I was shocked at the level of awareness of what

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of the situation that Canada faces. But the frustration, Peter,

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and I'm sure you've experienced this at your level too,

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is okay, Well, I understand more or less what's happening.

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What the hell do I do about this? Because there's

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nobody to vote for, there's no political party that represents

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me anymore. What can I do? And that is where

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organizations like yours come into the fray. I just think

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that's going to scale into a national movement. What will

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facilitate that a crisis? And we are entering into an

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atomic bomb of financial destruction. And I think very shortly

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we're going to be in a major war overseas, and

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we can talk about that as well. But if you

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look at what's happening in Eastern Europe, and you look

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specifically at the Middle East, I find it very difficult

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to imagine how we are going to divest from the

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Zionist war machine that appears to have captured Donald Trump

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in his administration, more so this time than they did

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last time. We're going to be committed, and I think

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you're going to see shocking things. You're going to see

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US naval ships sunk and potentially thousands of US sailors killed.

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In part because of the obsolescence that I talked about earlier,

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the US military is a shadow of what it once was.

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And all you have to do was talk to veterans,

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or talk to the rank and file that are you know,

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white men in particular, sort of get them, corner them

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in private, and they'll tell you how bad it is.

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Of course, you can also look at the industry and

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all the rest of it. But the point is that

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it's going to shock psychically the consciousness of the country,

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which still believes no matter how bad things are in

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Saint Louis, or you know how apocalyptically they are in

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Seattle where you have a drug epidemic, or how many

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illegal immigrants we've got, well, we still got the military,

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We've still got the world reserve currency. We've still got

474
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these pillars of patriotism. That's going to sort of disintegrate,

475
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and I think we're very close to something disastrous like

476
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that happening. One other comment on that, though, is that

477
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:48,359
that's a good thing. We need to skew the world

478
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,000
reserve currency. That has been a cancer. It has destroyed

479
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920
the middle class in this country. It has financialized our economy,

480
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:57,319
as you put it, It has de industrialized the United

481
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States in ways that have crippled us and specifically men

482
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,039
since the nineteen seventies. How do we fix that, Well,

483
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,519
we need to definancialize. We need a financial crisis that's

484
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,279
going to purge the system so that we can reconstruct it.

485
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,839
There is no way Trump or Silicon Valley or Wall

486
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,839
Street can allocate capital in a grift machine called the

487
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:24,400
stock market, or the procurement system or Silicon Valley VCS.

488
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,440
It's impossible. Under the current regime. It cannot be done.

489
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,880
And I don't mean the Trump administration. I mean the

490
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,920
structure of the US economy. It simply cannot be done.

491
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,400
The fiscal financial disaster that I think we're in the

492
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,799
throes of will clear that path, and then we can

493
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:46,000
get back to the business of rebuilding the grid, of

494
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:49,079
industrial policy and all the rest of it. And obviously

495
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that will couple with the reintegration of the country politically.

496
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,519
All these things sort of move together. Trump, in other words,

497
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,960
is the last one. He's James Buchanan before the Civil

498
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880
He's Charles the First before the English Civil War. He

499
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,880
is Louis the sixteenth before the French Revolution. And I

500
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,920
do I do think it's interesting that in each of

501
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,240
those cases, those men weren't really bad men. They may

502
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,079
not have been terribly competent, but they didn't really wish

503
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,759
harm on their nations. But they caught. They were caught

504
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,079
in a torrential downpour. And so is Trump.

505
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Europe. Then. I've been of

506
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,160
the opinion that right now, if we were to look

507
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,200
at any look around the world. It seems that our enemy,

508
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,119
for reasons that most people don't know or can't articulate,

509
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,279
is the EU, the World Economic Forum, the City of London,

510
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,720
and all of the Zionist influence and control they have

511
00:30:55,079 --> 00:31:00,519
over the levers of power in Europe. I see Europe

512
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:04,759
as our enemy right now. I think they're trying to

513
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,319
pull us into a war. I think they're willing to

514
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,799
go to war with Russia in order and suffer catastrophic

515
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,079
losses in order to try to get us involved. And

516
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:23,000
I think they're willing to provoke Russia to use nuclear

517
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:29,839
weapons to make a point. I think they're suicidal. I

518
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,079
think that a lot of I think that nihilism has

519
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,799
set in in many in many people of their reports

520
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,240
that I get from people that I know in Europe,

521
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:44,680
especially especially on the British Isle, I don't see how

522
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:53,079
any other spot in the world is as dangerous to

523
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,599
us as a people right now as Europe and all

524
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:05,359
of their all of their neo communists Bolshevik bs that

525
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,039
they're trying that they're trying to pull on basically the

526
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:09,759
world right now.

527
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Speaker 2: Yes, the situation in Europe is not particularly good. I

528
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,000
was in I've been to Paris twice in the last

529
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three years, and I was fortunate because when I was

530
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,480
When I was there, you know, France is like a

531
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,400
black hole because very few people outside of France speak French.

532
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,480
The French still regard themselves as sort of the center

533
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,960
of the universe, and that kind of pomposity tends to

534
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,680
turn a lot of people off. But but I think

535
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,880
the French are sort of the vanguard of what's coming

536
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,880
in Europe. A lot of people will say it's it's Germany,

537
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,200
but I don't think so. I think it's France. And

538
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,799
when I was there, basically what they said is in

539
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,960
a sense, what you did that the entire political system.

540
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,400
And I spoke to journalists, I spoke to a French general,

541
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,519
I spoke to a sort of independent Charles de goaal

542
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:12,079
like party that wanted to completely jettis in the EU,

543
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,039
wanted to exit NATO. You know, in the French throughout

544
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,200
their histories. I'm sure you know, I have never really

545
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,759
trusted the EU anyway. De Goal certainly didn't, and I

546
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,400
think the average Frenchman on the street does not. However,

547
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,119
the elites in France, just like the elites here, are

548
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,920
completely brain dead. The state in France is bankrupt, their

549
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,200
army is hollowed out. They practically don't have one. Neither

550
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,559
do the Germans. By the way, neither do the Brits.

551
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:49,359
They really don't have military power whatsoever, but because of

552
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,680
the banking interests. Because I think I would flip it.

553
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,039
I don't think it's Europe that's the enemy. I think

554
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,200
it's the angle. I would reframe it as it's the

555
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,480
city of London and Wall Street that's the twin pillar,

556
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:07,559
and through them everything is orchestrated. And again, historically speaking,

557
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,159
what we're about to see is the end of the

558
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,840
Anglo American Empire. We just inherited the British Empire. Basically

559
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,079
at the end of World War Two, the pound became

560
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,320
the dollar, but the city of London and Wall Street

561
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,800
together remained the twin pillars of global finance and through

562
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,400
that network control everything. So that's the way I see it.

563
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,559
I know Tom, I think his name is Tom Luongo

564
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,840
sort of sees it. They reversed. I don't think so.

565
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,960
And what I saw a lot of when I was

566
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,159
in Europe was sort of looking to the United States

567
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,079
all the time to do this, that and the other.

568
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:45,960
In any case, France itself, even though the political system

569
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,000
is completely gone. The National Rally, for example, is not

570
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,079
a revolutionary party, okay, just like Donald Trump and MAGA.

571
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,800
It's sort of a facade. And many of her or

572
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,639
the a f D, I mean, the a f D

573
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,360
is not I think the a f D is a

574
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,840
little bit better, a little bit. Yeah, But to your point,

575
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,920
I don't see any of these parties necessarily being able

576
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,880
to mass mobilize on the level that you and I

577
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,599
would like. Okay, so I would agree with you there.

578
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:27,679
But the situation on the street tactically, economically, racially is

579
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,719
it's a disaster. I mean, Paris is a it's not governable.

580
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,599
And the French that I would say, the pillars of

581
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,760
state governance feed the population, shelter the population, protect the population,

582
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:46,400
those core competencies are not there. But the elites who

583
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,159
have been restaffed over the last fifty years in the

584
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:55,000
wake of the Second War and infused with this sort

585
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,320
of cancerous Bolshevism that you speak of, the globalism, you know,

586
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,480
whatever you want to call, it's all the same shit. Basically,

587
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,280
all they know how to do is virtue, signal and

588
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,239
grift off an Ever shrinking pile of money that's leveraging

589
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,719
a financial system that's completely bankrupt, and so there are

590
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,119
fires all over Europe, basically financial fires, economic fires, refugee fires,

591
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,760
and nobody's putting them out. And so you're seeing this

592
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,519
sort of slow meltdown, and I think the Russian plan

593
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,199
to some degree. I think the Russians have held back

594
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,599
in Ukraine hoping that the European Union that NATO would

595
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,159
sort of internally fragment. Now that hasn't happened yet, but

596
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,440
I think the likelihood that something like that happens is imminent,

597
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,880
or rather very high and potentially imminent because of the

598
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,480
fiscal mess. However, there is no question that there will

599
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,719
be no political change in Europe whatsoever until there is

600
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,159
some kind of a disaster. In other words, Europeans are

601
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,559
doubling down on all of the craziness that you speak of.

602
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,800
They absolutely, I mean they're mobilizing forces in Estonia and

603
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,199
absolutely they're trying to drag us in. Donald Trump, I think,

604
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,920
is at least wise enough to recognize that any war

605
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,239
biproxy or otherwise, if it escalates from here, would be

606
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,760
a disaster not just for the world but for him.

607
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,880
I think he understands that. But we're in sort of

608
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,679
a race against time, is the way I would look

609
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,760
at it. Does the financial disaster, does the sort of

610
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,320
social economic structure or fabric of Europe collapse first? Or

611
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,199
do you get this sort of war, of real war

612
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,119
that brings it about. I don't know, it could go

613
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,079
either which way. What I do know is that the

614
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,159
average Frenchman, the average German, the average Italian wants absolutely

615
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,719
nothing to do with it, and they are increasingly upset, angered, frustrated.

616
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:47,440
But they're getting their benefits, they're still getting their welfare payments,

617
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,920
they're still getting their days off, and I'm sad to say,

618
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,159
like a lot of Americans, like the baby boomers, who

619
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,519
collect their pensions and get their four to one K

620
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,360
of returns and their dividends, they're just not going to

621
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:05,719
move at scale in mass until their pocketbook is hurt directly.

622
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,360
My bed is I think the financial mess is going

623
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,599
to unfold first, but we could get both.

624
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: We'll have to see what becomes of the racial situation here.

625
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,679
Speaker 2: I think it's coming to a head. I think it's

626
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:32,800
increasingly unavoidable. That means some kind of violence. How severe

627
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,639
is that violence going to get. I don't know. I

628
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:42,320
would point out that I had the fortunate I had

629
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,800
the good fortune, Peter, of growing up in extremely diverse environments,

630
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,639
that's what you want to call it. I went to

631
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,599
McClain High School where whites were a minority, this twenty

632
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,840
years ago, okay. And you would go into the lunch

633
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,760
room and you would see the Chinese totudents and the

634
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,280
Japanese students we had some, and you would see the Malaysians,

635
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,360
and you would see the Pakistani kids in the palace.

636
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,239
I mean again, the sort of organization that you speak of.

637
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:14,000
And then you'd see the tables where the white folks

638
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,119
would gather. That's sort of what is happening nationally, something

639
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,599
I think you talked about. But the white population has

640
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,000
sort of retreated and retreated and retreated. It hasn't reorganized

641
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,880
in any sense other than I guess you could say.

642
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,440
The Tea Party would start in twenty ten, and it

643
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,039
was not to address this, but it was there. The

644
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,679
specter of it was there, and then of course Donald

645
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Trump twenty sixteen, but it never sort of got off

646
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,079
the ground or got beyond the sloganeering, the marketing of

647
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,920
somebody like Donald Trump. That's going to change. If the

648
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,559
pension system blows up, if the fiscal crisis explodes, if

649
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,280
Bank of America fails. You know, these sorts of things happen.

650
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,840
If we end up in a war with Iran, if

651
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,639
we end up committing force is to Ukraine. I think

652
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,519
you're going to see a revolt the likes of which

653
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:06,599
we've never seen before. And I understand that that's very

654
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,920
hard for people to imagine because they sort of see

655
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,719
a complacent country, a nation of people that are doped

656
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,440
up on fentanyl or people that are sort of lethargic,

657
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,719
and all they do is consume the dopamine hits. But

658
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,000
I have to tell you, in my experience at least

659
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,400
across this country and what's happening online, what's happening in

660
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,239
this sort of these masco networks as I call them,

661
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,559
in the Groyper movement, in sort of I would say

662
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:41,440
extreme maga is a fire of consciousness, and I do

663
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,519
think that's bleeding into the broader population. What happens when

664
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,960
the economic mess, the geopolitical mess, begins to affect people

665
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000
on the street. What happens when you see more violence

666
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,039
against white people. That's when I think you're going to

667
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,000
start to see more mass mobilization. I think we're getting

668
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,480
closer to that, but we've got a ways to go.

669
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,599
The good news is I think there's a framework, which

670
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:09,400
is what I've talked about on all of my content,

671
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,960
which is a sort of neo masculinity, this reimagined hyper conscious,

672
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,639
you know, nationalistic sense that's on the edge. This is

673
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,840
not necessarily mainstream at all, but it's on the edge,

674
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,519
and it's going to pull I think the rest of

675
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,199
the population in that direction. As I said, I just

676
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:31,159
don't think we're there yet. In other words, the Cold

677
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,639
War of sorts that began in the sixties is about

678
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:35,800
to get hot, and I think that's going to wake

679
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,039
a lot of people up very quickly.

680
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:47,159
Speaker 1: Do you see localized, not you know, widespread, but localized

681
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:48,599
pockets of violence happening?

682
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely. Look I think a lot of this

683
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,239
has already happened. There's certainly been a crime wave that's

684
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,599
coming to the country, as we've seen tens of millions

685
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,800
of illegals come into the United States, and anybody that

686
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,559
goes into some of these areas you can already see

687
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,599
the sort of Dekenzian squalor and the lawlessness that's already there.

688
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,440
And what I always point out to people is like, yeah,

689
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,199
that's there, but what you're not seeing is what's holding

690
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,880
it together. And I say, what do you mean, Well,

691
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,519
it's the food stance, it's the social security, it's all

692
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:25,519
of these sort of emergency programs that were started decades

693
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,800
and decades and decades ago. You start losing those programs

694
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,119
all of a sudden, you're in big trouble. And then

695
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,679
you have to consider the decline of our sort of

696
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:38,760
paramilitary police forces, you know, our ability to govern the country,

697
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:41,800
which is exactly like Europe. We're certainly not in the

698
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,000
position they are by any means, but our ability to

699
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,440
sort of quell what I see as anarchy in a

700
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,039
lot of the big cities. I don't think that's going

701
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:53,840
to be a problem that's going to get solved overnight

702
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,679
by any means. So I think it's coming. I think

703
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:02,599
it's probably necessary, sadly, but I think that will revitalize,

704
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:06,199
It will wake up the population who will essentially do

705
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:13,599
what you've done, reorganize and re engage.

706
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:19,519
Speaker 1: From a metaphysical standpoint, what's happening right now?

707
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,039
Speaker 2: You know, I made a video a few months ago

708
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:29,760
about I think I called it the three fathers, and

709
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,000
it was a reference to Joseph Campbell quote in which

710
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,480
he said, every man has two fathers. You have the

711
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:39,679
biological father that raises the child, that teaches him the

712
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,519
basics in the world, that shepherds him to sort of adolescence.

713
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,199
And then you have the mentor, and the mentor teaches

714
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,039
him about climbing the social hierarchy, you know, learning his skill,

715
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,800
assimilating into a world of power dynamics of different genders,

716
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,719
of corporate politics, that sort of thing. But I've said

717
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,840
that there's a third father, and that third father is

718
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,480
basically the nation. It's the hero of the nation. It's

719
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,960
when you go to Europe and you see Stephanus Rex

720
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:15,760
in Budapest, that is effectively the father of the nation.

721
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,960
We don't have that father anymore in the United States,

722
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,079
and you could make the same case for the Europeans,

723
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:25,440
I suppose, and that has left men. And I think

724
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,719
this process began in the nineteen eighties. I really think

725
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,119
it started then because that's when the de industrialization of

726
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,239
the country really started to kick in a gear. And

727
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:41,760
so much of male power derives from economic output. It

728
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,119
derives from having a good job, generating revenue, buying a home,

729
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,800
creating a kingdom, and then bringing a woman into that,

730
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
having a family, et cetera, et cetera, And that paradigm

731
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,119
basically stopped in the eighties. And you can actually look

732
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,079
at a chart of per capita income and the group

733
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,199
that's been hurt the most since the nineteen seventies is

734
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:09,280
white men had been crushed. Okay, And obviously financialization has

735
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,800
played a role in that. My generation, and I'm a millennial,

736
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:18,719
about forty so millennials younger, we were further smashed by

737
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,079
the global financial crisis in two thousand and eight, which

738
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:27,920
basically terminated our or stunted, if not terminated, our ability

739
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,880
to accumulate wealth anywhere near our parents, never mind gen x. Okay.

740
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,719
In fact, I saw a statistic, I've seen a statistic

741
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,599
that's it's been talked about for the last few years,

742
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,320
but basically, the baby boomers owned something like fifty to

743
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,960
fifty five trillion dollars in assets and millennials own about five.

744
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:54,440
Now we're just now entering into our income earning potential peak.

745
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,679
But we are the ninjas, no income, no jobs, no assets,

746
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,039
and we're not married gen Z has gone through the

747
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,880
same thing because of COVID. So both of these events

748
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:13,119
accelerated what started in the eighties with the industrialization. Then

749
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,079
you can superimpose on top of it this complete distortion

750
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:20,760
in the sexual marketplace, which a lot of people just

751
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,639
do not talk about enough because they really don't understand

752
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,559
what the hell is happening there. But about a third

753
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,280
of men under thirty are having no sex, they have

754
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,599
no female activity connection at all, period. And an even

755
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:38,280
higher percentage of men has a sort of warped relationship

756
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,159
with the opposite sex. And these are sort of the

757
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,639
sexless men, many of whom are consuming our content. They're

758
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:50,880
watching my content, they're watching your content, and their household

759
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,719
is broken or their fathers emasculated because of feminism. Right,

760
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,239
So there's all of these things that are sort of

761
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,199
congealing together. And what men have been doing, I would

762
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,760
say what has happened to us is we've been set

763
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,599
into this sort of hero's journey where we've been forced

764
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,719
to tough it out, to eat through the propaganda, to

765
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,679
see through a lot of the illusions, you know, to

766
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,280
see the other side of the matrix. Because the American

767
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,199
dream for us is a fraud because the government is

768
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,079
completely corrupt, because the opposite gender seems to be interested

769
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:32,119
in destroying everything we believe in, including us. And the

770
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:36,559
good in that is that we're burning through all of

771
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,199
the lies that have been institutionalized since the nineteen forties,

772
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,400
and we are radicalizing now again. Radicalization can be a

773
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,239
dangerous thing, to be sure, but that is what's happening psychically,

774
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,960
metaphysically in young men. We are figuring this out, which

775
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,440
is why there is tremendous hunger for your organization and

776
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,480
the content that you make among others. What they want

777
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,519
is purpose, and this sort of reconstruction, as I call it,

778
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:14,199
the succession, is their purpose. It's their mission, and I

779
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,280
think they're beginning to figure that out. That we've got

780
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,559
to repair the damage that was done to us, and

781
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,559
that means some of us, a good chunk of us,

782
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,800
will never marry, we'll never have children, but it will

783
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,480
be our focus to get engaged in this sort of

784
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,639
spiritual battle. So as far as I can tell, it's

785
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:33,960
a hero's journey, and we have had to sort of

786
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,880
descend the spiritual mountain. We've had to tough it out,

787
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,239
and where we're now, I think beginning to climb out.

788
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,360
That's where I think we are.

789
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: I think I saw clearly after October seventh that something

790
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,760
was going to change, especially when I saw the response

791
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:05,519
by Israel, which was basically they started their own program.

792
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,960
How is that going to change things? We know, I

793
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:13,320
know my history of the last two thousand years. I

794
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,159
know my history, especially of the last one hundred and

795
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:21,039
fifty years. Whenever they start talking about, oh, we need

796
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:26,400
laws against anti Semitism or we need to punish people

797
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,760
who criticize Israel, usually the reason they're doing that is

798
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,599
because they see that the numbers of their support are dropping.

799
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,039
And they also one thing that they've never seen before

800
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:45,880
is social media and how you can see in real

801
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,840
time how even though it may be a fake name

802
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,199
and a frog profile pick, they're calling you out for

803
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,719
being monsters. They're calling you out for being subverters. They're

804
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:06,320
calling you out for having oversized influence in our government.

805
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,000
You know what our you know what our ancestors fought

806
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,400
the country, our ancestors actually served and fought for. How

807
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,800
does this play out? Because right now I know that

808
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,519
a lot of the people who watch me, I'm not

809
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,679
one of these people. It's like if they come for me,

810
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,639
they come for me, I'm what am I going to do?

811
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,800
You know? I mean, I'm not going to sit here

812
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,480
and complain. I'm not going to sit here and be scared.

813
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:34,880
I'm just going to live my life. If they want

814
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,559
to come here, if they want to come after me

815
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,719
for things, I say, that's fine. But you know, there

816
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,079
are a lot of people who are like consider them

817
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:49,320
to be these superheroes who control everything. Yes, and they

818
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,480
do not see the fact that they are. They are

819
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,199
at they're at their wits end. They don't know what

820
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,519
to do when they're acting, when they're saying, oh, we

821
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:03,920
need to kill all these people every you know level

822
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:10,320
the place they think that's coming from a place of strength, yes,

823
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,519
and that I don't know how to tell. I don't

824
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:18,480
know how to communicate to people, especially younger people who

825
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,079
are in situations just like you describe that that's not

826
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:23,880
coming from a place of strength. That's coming from a

827
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,719
place of weakness. And wounded animals are very dangerous. But

828
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,679
that's exactly what we're dealing with now. The whole Zionist

829
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:40,519
international Jewelry Jewish world influence is taking a hit and

830
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,199
is diminishing, and I don't know how to make people.

831
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,079
I don't know how to help people to see that

832
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:45,880
the way I see it.

833
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: They'll see it when the Israelis suffer or military defeat,

834
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,840
which I think they will in short order. And I

835
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,280
think they're also going to see it. And we got

836
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,880
a taste of this in two thousand and eight. You

837
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:04,000
probably remember the Occupy Wall Street. Well, it strikes me

838
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:09,000
is the ultimate irony that perhaps the epicenter of the

839
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:12,840
JQ discussion has been the left for the longest time,

840
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,280
I mean, and only recently has that sort of transition

841
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,719
to people that think like us. Listen, I'm so glad

842
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,679
you brought this up and said what you did, because

843
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:30,519
you're exactly right. What transpired in October, as you noted,

844
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
is I think the beginning of the end of the

845
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:38,320
Jewish state. And I think it's entirely of their own doing,

846
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,440
entirely their own doing. And I'm not the only one

847
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,760
who's saying this. I think they're actually a growing number

848
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:49,960
a minority, absolutely, but a growing number of Israelis, particularly Ashkenazi's,

849
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,920
that are saying this. One of whom is Eleon Poppy.

850
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:54,400
I don't know if you know who he is, but

851
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,719
of course, he's a brilliant man, and he has I

852
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,920
think accurately characterized a delineation between what he calls the

853
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,840
state of Judea, which is the ben Kavir Net Yahoo

854
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:15,400
Smotrich Mithrahi wing that wants total war to reassert the

855
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,639
dominance of Zionism in the region and the world.

856
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: And let's just add real quick, the oshkar If Ashkinazi,

857
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,000
if Oshkinazi high IQ is true, that does not transfer

858
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,960
to the Mizrahi, right, That's why the average that's why

859
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,639
the average IQ in Israel is ninety two or ninety

860
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,679
three and not one hundred and ten.

861
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting you mentioned that because, according to

862
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:48,920
Lean Pape, something like seven hundred thousand to a million Oshkinazis,

863
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,119
who are more or less the technocrats that are instrumental

864
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,360
in the Israeli economy, defense government, they've left the country

865
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,039
since October of twenty three, and a lot of that

866
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,639
is because they resist the State of Judea, which, according

867
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,320
to Pape, and I'm not an expert on the state

868
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,840
of Israel, but I think he's probably correct, has become

869
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:19,239
a radicalized militant Zionism, not just externally but domestically, and

870
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,559
then the other side is sort of the state of

871
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,920
Jerusalem that we're or the state of the Israel rather

872
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,320
that we're familiar with since the nineteen forties. That project

873
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,159
is at an end. Now, what's interesting about this and

874
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,679
I am going to answer your question about how to

875
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:42,960
address this broader exaggeration of the financial powers that be. Unfortunately,

876
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,800
there's a lot of people like Whitney Webb, who does

877
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,800
good work in a sense, you know, she draws out

878
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,960
a lot of these connections, but continuously asserts the idea

879
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,559
that these people are maestros that are controlling everything. That's

880
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,920
just absurd. And anybody that has participated, and that's why

881
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,440
I said at the beginning, I am a practitioner who's

882
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960
worked for companies, who's been in the military. It doesn't

883
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:06,440
work that way. There is this thing called friction that

884
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:11,960
Cloudswitz talked about. It's this uncertainty that human systems are chaotic,

885
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,039
they're nonlinear, they're unpredictable. It's very difficult to control outcomes.

886
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,480
It's not difficult to subvert, it is difficult to control.

887
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,960
And there is a delineation between the two, and a

888
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,840
lot of people conflate subversion with competency. They are not

889
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,440
the same thing, and subversion ultimately destroys the subverter right,

890
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,960
which is to some degree what's happening with Israel. In

891
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,400
any case, what is happening as far as I can tell,

892
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,360
not just in the United States, by the way, but

893
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,079
around the world. And it's just happening in China, it's

894
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,880
happening in India. The awareness of the JQ, if you will,

895
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,679
has broken containment. It's out of the bag. Everybody knows.

896
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,880
Everybody's talking about it. Some may be quiet about it,

897
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:01,000
some may be public whatever, but concealing it it's over.

898
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:06,480
At the same time, however, that group has more control

899
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,920
of the US government today than I think they've ever had.

900
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,199
And this is a very important point for your audience

901
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,000
to understand because it explains why net Yaho's doing what

902
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:19,719
he's doing. Net Yahoo is a warmonger. He is a

903
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,159
war criminal, of course, but we must understand why he

904
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,639
thinks the way that he does. His view is, Look,

905
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,000
I've got control of Congress and ways I've never had before.

906
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,840
I have the Wall Street elites behind me, I've got

907
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Silicon Valley and the sort of mythos, the mystique of

908
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Israel is this unassailable force that has been tarred, that

909
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,199
has been damaged. I've got to reassert it. Now is

910
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,119
the time to cleanse the local space of all enemies,

911
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,320
foreign and domestic. And that is what he is doing.

912
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:56,519
And of course he views the couter, he views the

913
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,199
apotheosis of that to be Iran, which is a big mistake. However,

914
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:05,199
and this relates to what's changed in the world since

915
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,360
two thousand. There's been a global shift in power around

916
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,199
the world. The United States doesn't have the military supremacy

917
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:14,000
that it once did. It doesn't have the industry that

918
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,639
it wants to. It doesn't have the homogeneous white population

919
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,199
that you can send to Normandy that it once did.

920
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,960
This is something that Yahoo doesn't understand. By the way,

921
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,320
I'm told that the Israeli Defense Force is similarly debilitated,

922
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:29,920
that it is a shell of what it once was,

923
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,599
and of course it is. Why do I say that,

924
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,679
well in parts, because well.

925
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,079
Speaker 1: I mean think about think about that too, But think

926
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:43,719
about our military. Our military has been recruiting I mean

927
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,239
dregs of society. And when I say drugs of society,

928
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,639
I'm not talking about you know, poor white people. I'm

929
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:56,039
talking about trans people. Israel Is is one of the

930
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:59,360
gayest nations on the planet, and they have and they

931
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,760
have compulsory or a conscription.

932
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

933
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: Who are they bringing in there?

934
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: Yep?

935
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: But what does this look like? I mean, these aren't

936
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:12,440
These aren't the fierce fighters anymore that I used to

937
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,000
read about from the sixties and the seventies, or you know,

938
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:18,400
even like the Stern Gang and you know, Airgoon, Stern

939
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Gang and Airgoon would be executing what would be throwing

940
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,719
these people out of the country, if if not worse

941
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:26,199
they can't Yeah.

942
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exactly right. And I would go step further

943
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:30,719
and here, you know, to some degree, I'm a student

944
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,079
of military history. The nineteen seventy three war was not

945
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,360
as it's portrayed. These Reelis almost lost that war. They

946
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,639
were surprised, particularly by the Egyptians. They never expected them

947
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,079
to cross the Suez Canal, and of course, as soon

948
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,639
as they did, they just stopped. What would have happened

949
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:54,480
if they'd kept going. Now, I'm not suggesting necessarily that

950
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:57,079
they would have lost. What I'm suggesting is it was

951
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:00,719
a lot closer than than people realized, and that the

952
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Israelis miscalculated. And this is a recurring theme in the

953
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,719
people that we're dealing with, which is the overarching point

954
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:12,800
that you're trying to address. The Zionists thinking, which is

955
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,000
something I've spent a lot of time on, really understands

956
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:22,480
finance and finance is not economy. Those are two fundamentally

957
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:26,119
different things. Economy is about human capital. It's about industry.

958
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,719
It's about putting things in the ground. It's about cranks,

959
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,400
and tanks don't know anything about that. Financialization is about

960
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:44,079
arbitrage rights, it is about leverage. It's it's about currency manipulation.

961
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,400
That has nothing to do with economy and what happens.

962
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,159
So a lot of people in the financial system who

963
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,800
are of this mindset is they sort of lose eventually

964
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,079
because they can't see real value. Everything to them is

965
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:58,920
sort of this made up fugazi It's very much what

966
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,480
you hear from Michael Dougla in Wall Street. It's an

967
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,039
illusion that they repackage again and again. That's what you

968
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,079
see in private equity. Right in two thousand and eight,

969
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,679
it was CEOs collateralized debt obligations. Today it's collateralized liability obligations.

970
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,719
Same thing, just done differently different tranches of crap that

971
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,719
they've repackaged, and this time they're selling into pension funds.

972
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,159
That's not economy, that's not real wealth, but they think

973
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:26,480
it is. At in the same breath, I would say

974
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,000
that they don't really understand nations. They think that things

975
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:35,679
like nationalism, that things like masculinity they're made up, they're constructs.

976
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,840
There's nothing real about them. And as a result, they

977
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,159
can sort of bully people, they can kill people indiscriminately.

978
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,199
Nobody's going to do anything, and that's their view of

979
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:44,719
the Arabs, is that all will kill as many of

980
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,400
these few it doesn't matter. What I've talked about is

981
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,320
I think you're seeing the rise of Asabia in the

982
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,360
Middle East, which is the sort of coagulation of this

983
01:00:54,519 --> 01:01:00,360
Islamic consciousness that's bringing Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, all of these. Now,

984
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,159
I'm not suggesting that they're all going to sort of

985
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,119
congeal together in one monolithic army. That's not what I'm saying.

986
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:09,239
What I'm saying is that the chess board is changing,

987
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,760
that positioning is shifting, and Israel is very isolated, and

988
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,440
as I said, they've done it to themselves. One other

989
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,679
thing to note on this. In twenty sixteen, when Donald

990
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:25,119
Trump won, I was in Washington, DC, and over ninety

991
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:29,039
percent of the DMV area that's DC, Maryland and Virginia

992
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,199
voted for Hillary Clinton. And they were convinced with religious

993
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:36,719
conviction that Trump had absolutely no chance. Was it was

994
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:39,960
a joke, the idea that he could win, and that

995
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,320
the only people who followed Trump were sort of fifty

996
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,039
year old racist white men. There was nothing. You probably

997
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:53,119
remember this. When Trump won, the DC area was catatonic.

998
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,840
I mean they were completely at a loss, couldn't understand

999
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,480
it at all. And a lot of that is because

1000
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,719
of the Zionists thinking, right, well, we already won those battles.

1001
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:08,719
We control the media, we win, we have more infrastructure,

1002
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,480
we have more ground people, you remember this and Trump's

1003
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:15,199
Trump's campaign was a mess. It was, it wasn't well organized.

1004
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:18,039
He in many ways got lucky. He wrote a wave

1005
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,800
of people that supported him in spite of his sort

1006
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,159
of incompetence is the way I would describe it. Anyway.

1007
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,079
They then said, okay, well how did this happen? They

1008
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,719
came up with there's an organization called data in Society.

1009
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,880
One of these stupid nonprofits. And they wrote a paper

1010
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:40,400
called the Alternative Influence Network, and that was guess what YouTube?

1011
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:46,039
Twitter is all these people, people like Stefan MOLINEU Fantees whatever. Anyway,

1012
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:47,880
So they said, okay, well this is why Trump won.

1013
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,440
So let's smash let's censor everybody. Let's get him off

1014
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,559
of YouTube, get him off Twitter. Well, guess what here

1015
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:59,039
we are didn't work. It has changed nothing. And the

1016
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,960
act of sense ship, it's caused a reverse feedback group.

1017
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,840
You would think they would understand this, but they don't

1018
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,000
understand the host within which they operate. They don't They

1019
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:16,280
don't understand the invisible forces, the metaphysical properties that are

1020
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,159
the most powerful things that drive humanity, that win wars,

1021
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,440
that build economies, that create new civilizations. They don't anything

1022
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:24,760
about it.

1023
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna cut this right now. I

1024
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,559
have another I have another obligation, but I want to

1025
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,480
leave it open. If you thought that we had a

1026
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:39,599
good conversation, for you to come back on and let's

1027
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,559
talk some more, because this is this is just the

1028
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,000
beginning of a conversation. So and these are the kind

1029
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:48,760
of conversations that I like to have. I mean, one

1030
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,320
of the things I like to say is is that

1031
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,159
the reason why I cover philosophy and I cover history

1032
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:57,320
and I cover what you know what, my wife won't

1033
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,119
watch because she's just like, I mean, this is so

1034
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:04,440
esoteric I can deal with it. Is because most most

1035
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,920
people don't know what they are. They don't know where

1036
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,840
where they should be, they don't know what they believe,

1037
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,039
they don't know what right wing is. They they think

1038
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:18,800
right wing is, you know, is you know, understanding the JQ,

1039
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,239
or they think right wing is you know, being willing,

1040
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,119
being willing to fight, or you know, because I have

1041
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,960
you know, you know, Viva Franco or something that's not

1042
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,719
what it is at all. So you know, having conversations

1043
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:37,440
like that, this I think helps a lot because even

1044
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,920
if I don't agree with the wanted to present everything

1045
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,360
you said, and people watching don't agree with one percent

1046
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,079
everything you said, you're still saying things that have to

1047
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,920
be said, and they have to be They're being said

1048
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,159
in such a manner and with with your background and

1049
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,280
understanding of what's going on, they have to be dealt with,

1050
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,440
and they have to be addressed. They have to be considered.

1051
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,599
And people who just and I'm one of these people

1052
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:02,960
is I really hope there's no one in my audience

1053
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,679
who just dismisses people because they say, oh, he said

1054
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,800
something I don't agree with. So it's like, well that,

1055
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,599
how can you dismiss me by now because I say

1056
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:12,519
stuff that you're going to disagree with all the time,

1057
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:15,639
you know, So if you're willing to come back on,

1058
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,639
I'd like to continue the conversation, but up, and you

1059
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:22,719
know what I will ask is, I know you just

1060
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,559
have the YouTube channel. What's the name of the YouTube channel?

1061
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:27,559
And what have you been You know, I've watched a

1062
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,519
couple of your latest videos. What can people expect to

1063
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:31,000
find there?

1064
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there are three places where you can go

1065
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:38,360
to find me. I should mention the Backlash. Rebecca and

1066
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,760
Dave will be upset if if I don't mention.

1067
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:44,079
Speaker 1: That, they'll yell at me. They'll yell at me too.

1068
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I am a co host on The Backlash, which

1069
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,320
is an effort very similar to what you're doing to

1070
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:57,679
bring people together, to facilitate dialogue, to ventilate new ideas,

1071
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,679
new thinking. And part of our mission, by the way,

1072
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,360
is to platform people that don't have a lot of followers.

1073
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,760
This is something I've been adamant about because it's no

1074
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,599
offense to people that have a large following, you know,

1075
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,280
good for them. It's very difficult to achieve that, and

1076
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,559
they deserve credit for that. But I think we're moving

1077
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,480
into a new direction and the backlash is an effort

1078
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:24,000
to facilitate that. That's one you can find that on

1079
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:27,800
Rebecca hard Graves channel Blonde in the Belity of the Beast,

1080
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,960
and I think we've got a new backlash YouTube channel

1081
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,880
as well, So just go on to YouTube and search

1082
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,840
for it. You'll find it. The second is you can

1083
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,679
find me on YouTube, at least for the time being, Peter.

1084
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,599
We'll see that continues. Neods I can't believe.

1085
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:44,719
Speaker 1: I actually can't believe I'm still on there. But they

1086
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:46,199
demonetized me a long time.

1087
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, neodesk masculinity or you can type in Cameron

1088
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,800
McGregor men in the City. And then thirdly is a

1089
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,239
Men in the City substack, which is where as I said,

1090
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,320
I put a lot of effort into writing because that

1091
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,760
sort of helps me. You may be the same, Peter.

1092
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,679
It helps me structure a lot of my thinking. There's

1093
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:10,079
so much discipline that goes into writing. It really builds

1094
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,079
that framework. The last thing I'll say is, yeah, I'm

1095
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:15,360
happy to come back on Peter. You're obviously an intelligent person.

1096
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:18,440
Nobody has all the answers. But what I do think

1097
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:24,760
is we can solve the enigma, if you will, the

1098
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,000
enigma machine that we're dealing with with leadership, which is

1099
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,519
in part what you're talking about, is a facilitating discussion,

1100
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,920
pointing people in the right direction, reorienting them based on

1101
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:43,000
real identity, metaphysical, philosophical principles, et cetera, et cetera that

1102
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:48,800
build us, build cohesion, and bind us together. And I

1103
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,920
think the biggest thing holding us back, I really do.

1104
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:54,320
I really believe this from the core of my being

1105
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:00,559
is fear of the sort of white consciousness. I think

1106
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:03,679
we're afraid of it. I think it's the jonahcomplex, so

1107
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:05,719
to speak. And I think we're going to get over

1108
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,760
that fear because we've been so propagandized against it. We've

1109
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,239
been so we've been told for so long that it's

1110
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,760
wrong and it's evil and all this other bullshit. And

1111
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,479
as I said, I think we're burning through it. And

1112
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,399
that is happening in young men, and yeah, some of

1113
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,239
them are a bit off the beaten track. You know,

1114
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,880
they go too far here, too far there, whatever. But

1115
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,840
it is in men on the edge where the pendulum

1116
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,640
will swing, and that is my my thesis, my hypothesis,

1117
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,079
and I think that will change the world.

1118
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,159
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that I need to hear that because

1119
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,600
I have a tendency, especially during my live streams, to

1120
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,319
yell at the spergs and so I'm to stop spurging

1121
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:45,880
out so.

1122
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 2: I understand this.

1123
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I do have to I do have

1124
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,680
to recognize that it's generally coming from a good place

1125
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,600
and you know, but there is the perception out there.

1126
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,880
I think one of the reasons why I can do

1127
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,359
things like two hundred Years Together is because we do it.

1128
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,319
We do it from an academic standpoint, and when you

1129
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,239
do it from an academic kind of standpoint, I think

1130
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,399
places This is what I've been told by people who know,

1131
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:22,920
people who more mainstream, people who you know are on

1132
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,960
our side, but try to keep it quiet, is that,

1133
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:28,199
you know. One of the reasons why they may not

1134
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,239
want to come after me is because strikes sound effect.

1135
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,640
You do not want ten twenty thousand young men hearing

1136
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,800
two hundred Years Together by Alexander socialistan.

1137
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and I know you've got to go. I'll

1138
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,520
just say this, it's obvious that you know, you're a

1139
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,880
literate person and you're an intellectual person, and a lot

1140
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,079
of people that are like that are very frustrated right now,

1141
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,039
and understandably so, because it's very difficult amidst the chaos.

1142
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,640
And I made a video about this. If you're interested,

1143
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:04,960
you know, we can talk about the next time. But

1144
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,439
we are in chaos media, and chaos media is fragmentation

1145
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,239
because the legacy media has collapsed. It's collapsed, but chaos

1146
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:18,159
media is a transition and we're leaning into authority media.

1147
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,359
And I think that's going to be more intellectual, it's

1148
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:24,079
going to have more depth, it's going to have more analysis,

1149
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:29,520
less screaming, less sort of ridiculous exaggeration, hyperbole, whatever. I

1150
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,079
think that's the direction that we're going, and I actually

1151
01:10:32,119 --> 01:10:34,720
think there's a business case to be made for that,

1152
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,079
in other words, sort of marrying the alternative media audience

1153
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:43,399
with a new professional media that rests on a new paradigm,

1154
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:44,960
new thinking, our thinking.

1155
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: Awesome, let's talk about that next time. Thank you, Cameron,

1156
01:10:49,399 --> 01:11:00,119
Thank you.