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<v Speaker 1>This is a direct quote from the book. On my face,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not poop, it's chocolate. And then she's like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know. That was really funny. This author, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, does not have an ear for human dialogue.

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<v Speaker 2>Her son died. That was interesting, Okay, her husband died.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe that they know, because it's all she talks about.

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<v Speaker 2>The abandon him in age nine. Seem to have drug issues,

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol issues, if we had issues, probably related to the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she's an introvert. Anyway, people are fucking horny

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<v Speaker 2>for those octopus.

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<v Speaker 1>They thank you. That's what we're getting to.

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<v Speaker 2>They are oct a post.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's where we'll leave you. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's all we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everyone, Welcome to Mean book Club. This week we

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<v Speaker 2>read remarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van pelt Y. Just

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<v Speaker 2>to puss it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's about puss. You know they have three hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they can grow to be up to seven

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<v Speaker 1>deep puss.

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<v Speaker 2>That was good. I'm sure you know, maybe we can

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<v Speaker 2>even put a beat under that. That's gonna be really

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, Blake, something like that, Blake, make that work.

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<v Speaker 2>Like as always, we're your hosts. I'm Sarah Burton.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Jonascravius, and you're listening to John and Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>after Dark, just as tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just as tonight, the old card.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean Clara might join. I mean we look,

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<v Speaker 1>we know from the season how that goes. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kiddo's stay up late at Clara's house. That's just what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just where she is. That's that's just where we're

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<v Speaker 2>out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Life and we're figuring it out. But we've been recording

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<v Speaker 1>on weekends a little bit too, mixing it up. So

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<v Speaker 1>you might get Clara, you might get Sabrina.

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<v Speaker 2>You Sabrina is busy. She does not make weekends. She's

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<v Speaker 2>busy all she's so popular. It's really frustrating, really really frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are here having fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We are here. We heard your suggestion to do this book,

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore we shall do it. Johanna, why are we

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<v Speaker 2>reading this book?

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<v Speaker 1>The why is our girl Chloe, who left a really

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<v Speaker 1>funny review message that I liked. She said that she

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<v Speaker 1>is a Patreon So love that. Thank you. Great way

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<v Speaker 1>to set an example for other listeners, Chloe, It's very true. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>love your name. Great name, so here's what Chloe had

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I have not had the misfortune of reading

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<v Speaker 1>this heartwarming, acclaimed piece of garbage about an octopus, a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and a shitty man child, but I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a perfect fit for the pod. It's also soon

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<v Speaker 1>to be a god forsaken Netflix movie for future bonus

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<v Speaker 1>episode material. Chloe, you know as well. Thank you, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>I say we call it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This one I got, It's I already got. That served

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<v Speaker 2>to me the like ad for the Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>I had not seen any ads, but I was on

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<v Speaker 1>Shelby Van Peltz Instagram and I so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll talk about it. We'll get yes. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chloe predicts that Sabrina will give it five stars. Wrong, Chloe,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't even read it. Sarah will give it two stars.

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<v Speaker 1>John will give the number of stars that is most annoying. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not get this far in the review. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been so I've been like over top, over the

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<v Speaker 1>top complimentary to Chloe.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you have been.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been like close.

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<v Speaker 2>This happens every time, though, we really need to read

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<v Speaker 2>the full wreck before we.

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<v Speaker 1>You just don't expect there to be like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>big fan of the pod, I'm a Patreon, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it ends with like John, Johanna suck it. You're also great,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnna sucks. I wish she was dead, but keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>John will give the number of stars that is the

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<v Speaker 1>most annoying. Okay, and Clara won't show up. Okay, Sonny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so far, so true, so far true.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for suffering to make your art. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this pod. Now that seems like you love some people

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<v Speaker 1>on the pod, Chloe, and not all.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, this is a form of suffering. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is I like that suffering for our art.

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<v Speaker 2>I really think we should.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, I'm sprying for my work too, because I

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<v Speaker 1>have a very long commute these days. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to say the number because it's embarrassing. Two hours

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<v Speaker 1>it is, it is slightly over two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah every day though right now, yes, but it won't

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<v Speaker 1>be every day, but yes, but it's I will say.

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<v Speaker 1>The work we're doing for this podcast, the suffering for

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<v Speaker 1>art has been so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have infinite time. Oh right, yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>You got that commute time, man, that's special you time.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, it is it's it is like this really special.

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<v Speaker 1>I listen. I've been listening to this one and also

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<v Speaker 1>getting ahead on Secret of Secrets, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be really prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>What is secret? Oh? That's is that a book?

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<v Speaker 1>We wait, it's a book we have later that I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a couple times already. I even texted you

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<v Speaker 1>and said, it's really long. You're going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>get a head start.

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<v Speaker 2>No, did you warn me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>It's wow, seventy seven pages.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus No, we did really.

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<v Speaker 1>Like small print, hardback Dan Brown book.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck? You know why? Because I thought I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to do that book because I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>missing it. And then we made the pod record, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think I was like ignoring all comments on

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<v Speaker 2>it because I was like, look, I'm not reading that book.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck. Well, yeah, wow, you're going to want to jump

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I can't even guess how long the audiobook is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be at least twenty hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'll actually have to read that one. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see see what goes. Well, how did you read

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<v Speaker 2>this one? Howd you read remarkably Bright Creatures?

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<v Speaker 1>This was on the driving portion of my commute okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So it only took me one week of driving to

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<v Speaker 1>finish the entire eleven hour audiobook.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I also did the audiobook, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the audiobook was better than the book. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's unfair because I didn't read the book, but

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<v Speaker 2>just like I looked at the comments, I saw what

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<v Speaker 2>people were saying, and it felt like people were like

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<v Speaker 2>very positive on the guy who did the octopus voice.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that as well. Yeah, what did you think

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<v Speaker 1>of him?

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<v Speaker 2>Thought he did a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought he did what he could with the material.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was the one point later on with

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<v Speaker 2>the opus not to get too far where he was

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<v Speaker 2>like day one, three six' one of my. Captivity, oh

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<v Speaker 2>let's got us cut the. Ship shall we we have

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<v Speaker 2>a ring to? RETREAT i like. THAT i was, like all,

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<v Speaker 2>RIGHT i was expecting.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Cute, yes, yeah, yeah well we'll get into.

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<v Speaker 2>It but oh yeah yeah, yeah but, okay, okay so

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<v Speaker 2>we both audio booked. It, yes all, right but now

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<v Speaker 2>it's time.

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<v Speaker 1>For, Uh sabrina sums It sabrina sums it, Up Sabrina,

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<v Speaker 1>sabrina and she's not here, speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>So, whoopsies better we got? It do we have? It?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Up all, right all, right this will have to be the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cuff all, Right I'm, Marcellus, FINE i will Be.

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<v Speaker 1>Tova.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay and there's we might need one of us may

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<v Speaker 2>need to Play.

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron, cameron the character in the book THAT i think

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<v Speaker 1>everyone universally has said the book would be better off

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<v Speaker 1>without this. CHARACTER i get, That, Okay, Okay so if,

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<v Speaker 1>needed one of us will have to jump. In, okay all, Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Day five hundred and eighty six Of My. Captivity the

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<v Speaker 2>woman who, cleans the old seventy year old woman who,

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<v Speaker 2>cleans she's very, tiny is walking, around pacing back and.

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<v Speaker 2>Forth she looks like she has something to, say but

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<v Speaker 2>she's saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop oh, Hello, marcellus it's Me, toba the building. Cleaner oh,

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<v Speaker 1>oh she's Find. Marcellus IF i could tell you my life,

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<v Speaker 1>story a bit of the plot of my, story it

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<v Speaker 1>would unburden.

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<v Speaker 2>WELL i hope she's not going to tell me that

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<v Speaker 2>her son was killed thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago, Marcellus if only you could understand, ME i was

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<v Speaker 1>about to tell you about my son who was killed

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<v Speaker 1>misterious at, sea even though he was only, eighteen and

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<v Speaker 1>it's sounds like it would happen to an old ship's.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain But i'm going to talk about it a. Lot

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<v Speaker 1>i'm going to talk about it on every page of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Book if we were a, book which were.

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<v Speaker 2>NOT i just a woman in an. OCTOPUS i know

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<v Speaker 2>you can't hear my, thoughts But i'm THINKING i know. Already,

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<v Speaker 2>God i've seen your little locket with his face in,

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<v Speaker 2>it and it, says it's just so. Obvious i'm an,

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<v Speaker 2>octopus obser.

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<v Speaker 1>Only you weren't so stupid and you knew what was

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<v Speaker 1>heavy on my. HEART i, am okay a little more about?

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<v Speaker 1>Me DID i tell you my son? Died just? Dead

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm i'm kind of hunched and, tiny AND i am.

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<v Speaker 1>BORING i am so. BORING i don't know WHY i

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<v Speaker 1>have friends or why people like, me because my car conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>IS i, mean it is unbelievably.

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<v Speaker 2>Dry and she's Next she's gonna tell me she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know her grandson is the one next to her also.

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<v Speaker 1>Cleaning, oh And i'm just so lonely because you, KNOW

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<v Speaker 1>i have no family at. All SO i Think i'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna go to a retirement. Home for no, reason

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<v Speaker 1>even Though i'm only seventy And i'm actually in really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Health i'm gonna give away all my family heirlooms and

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<v Speaker 1>all BEFORE i, Go i'm gonna just train this young

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<v Speaker 1>man next to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me that's your grandson clean the.

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<v Speaker 1>AQUARIUM i don't there's something familiar about, him and the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that bonds us is that we both love cleaning aquarium,

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<v Speaker 1>last so you actually love.

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<v Speaker 2>It that's genetic as an. OCTOPUS i know that that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Genetic So i'm just gonna stay here at the. Aquarium

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<v Speaker 1>DID i tell you that my life has been very?

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<v Speaker 1>Tragic and BECAUSE.

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<v Speaker 2>I steal a series of things in order for her

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<v Speaker 2>to understand this, connection AREN'T?

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<v Speaker 1>I i have the dead, sun BUT i also a dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Husband So i'm just it's redden all over your. Face

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<v Speaker 2>i'm part of.

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<v Speaker 1>This, well this is pretty. Fun i'm part of this

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<v Speaker 1>Cleaning i'm going to go into detail about some of

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<v Speaker 1>else DO i? Clean because you the listener are going

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<v Speaker 1>to want to hear about this in? Detail, oh fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>off the. GLASS i clean. FINGERPRINTS i talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. Simple it's that it's this octopus that

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<v Speaker 2>It But, johnah what's the what's the wine pairing for this? Book?

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<v Speaker 1>Recommendation SO i just WHEN i was reading, this really,

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<v Speaker 1>Had a great. BACKYARD i just want to, say if

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<v Speaker 1>ale just a nice light, ale, okay or if you

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<v Speaker 1>this one with me before twenty First. Amendments hell or

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<v Speaker 1>High watermelon such a great. Beer it is such a,

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<v Speaker 1>tasty fresh taste like, watermelon but it's not overly. SWEET i, mean,

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<v Speaker 2>has just changed into you recommending actual things you like

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to necessarily things that are related to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Book is that?

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<v Speaker 1>size of a. Watermelon, okay, okay all, RIGHT i WILL

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<v Speaker 1>i will suck off. That AND i just remembered that

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<v Speaker 1>when you challenged.

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<v Speaker 1>Beer and HONESTLY i looked it up BECAUSE i was

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<v Speaker 1>not going, to BUT i want to say the writing

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<v Speaker 1>of the mere blurb on twenty First amendments website was

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<v Speaker 1>better than any single paragraph in this entire.

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<v Speaker 2>Book, Wow, JOHANNA i play. Something oh, NO i kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Book What, YEAH i am shocked and saddened by this

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<v Speaker 1>news BECAUSE i, HM i really strongly disliked this.

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<v Speaker 2>Part, okay, well, NO i think this is. GREAT i,

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<v Speaker 2>mean you, know it's a kind of discourse we.

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<v Speaker 1>WANT i feel like it came out in your. Summary

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<v Speaker 1>you were being. KIND i could tell you you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>Along you weren't trying TO.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know how to. CRITICIZE i did know how

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<v Speaker 2>to criticize such a perfect. Book you, know how do

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<v Speaker 2>you how do you criticize? Perfection how do you criticize

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<v Speaker 2>something that's just partwarming.

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<v Speaker 1>A perfect book and you didn't really find it just

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<v Speaker 1>purely heartwarming and. Beautiful there's just no WAY i did.

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<v Speaker 1>not quite a, book but here it. Is there would

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<v Speaker 1>be characters like this if you, know they'd be better

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<v Speaker 1>written and they'd have like real voices to sound like real.

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<v Speaker 2>GO i FELT i actually felt the. CHARACTERS i feel

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<v Speaker 2>plot was very. Simple you knew where it was going

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<v Speaker 2>the whole. Time but it was like the emotion behind,

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<v Speaker 2>it the like, grief the like overcoming that all that

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<v Speaker 1>ME i understand all of. THAT i think that it

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<v Speaker 1>was so cliched that it like really felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been written BY. Ai it was like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just an amalgamation of like here are one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>phrases you would find in a heartwarming book strewn.

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<v Speaker 2>Together there were a lot of heartwarming. Phrases we'll GET

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<v Speaker 2>I i'm, SORRY i realized we didn't get into talk

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<v Speaker 2>about like the book and the but maybe we'll we

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit About. Shelby we'll get a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about a background from. Her so, yes why why

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<v Speaker 2>don't we break break it down for?

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<v Speaker 1>because that makes more sense to do, that so, right

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<v Speaker 1>it never. Does she is Named shelby Van PELTI's a

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<v Speaker 1>former financial, consultant and her idea that morphed into a

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<v Speaker 1>writing workshop At Emory. University one of the assignments was

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<v Speaker 1>to write a short story from an unusual, perspective and

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<v Speaker 1>she came up with an acerbic octopus who was bored

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<v Speaker 1>and frustrated by. Confinement at, first she didn't worry too

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<v Speaker 1>much that taking creative risk by having a highly intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>octopus or that she was taking a, risk because you,

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<v Speaker 1>know she didn't think anybody would read. It and then

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<v Speaker 1>she added this character of the seventy year old widow

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<v Speaker 1>with a painful. Past she was born and raised in

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<v Speaker 1>The Pacific. Northwest and she wrote it DURING covid when

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<v Speaker 1>she was home with her four and six year old,

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<v Speaker 1>kids which feels like a real slap in the face

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<v Speaker 1>to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Rest, yeah it. Was it was. Impressed, YEAH i did

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<v Speaker 2>hear that. That she was, like, oh they went to

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<v Speaker 2>bed at like seven point, Thirty and THEN i, wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine doing?

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<v Speaker 2>THAT i can't imagine getting my kids about at seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty SO i can't fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>It, NO i can't fuck it right, now but like

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<v Speaker 1>that little Anew, okay okay at. All it's had a

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<v Speaker 1>bad tone for me starting this. Podcast, okay so the.

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<v Speaker 1>Book but how old is?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, uh she seems, well, look if she had a

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<v Speaker 1>was you, know how many years ago was? That twenty?

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<v Speaker 2>Years, like you, know she's not like she came into

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<v Speaker 2>fuck is she?

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<v Speaker 1>Young she looks pretty. Young you, know you're.

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<v Speaker 2>RIGHT i GUESS i. Don't you're, Right i'm. Not nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>telling me how old she.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, well she is a very mysterious. FIGURE i could

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<v Speaker 1>only find like one or two interviews with, her and

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<v Speaker 1>Her instagram is, active but it's all book, promo you,

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<v Speaker 1>know not the stuff we're looking.

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<v Speaker 2>For graduated From claremont McKenna college in two is some.

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<v Speaker 1>All, right uh, yeah, okay so if we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were writing our first book right, now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's. True my child's not four years old yet

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<v Speaker 1>that's the.

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<v Speaker 4>Time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay so it was published in twenty twenty two By

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<v Speaker 1>ego Or Echo, press and it had an interesting trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>on The New York Times Bestseller it had sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a little pop at, first and then it you, know

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of based on, marketing and then it fizzled

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<v Speaker 1>out Until, christmas and then it picked up again and

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<v Speaker 1>word on the, street heart, Es word on the street

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<v Speaker 1>is this is not a book talk, book but it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually a word of mouth book and people were

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<v Speaker 1>coming in and asking booksellers about, it and booksellers, were you,

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<v Speaker 1>know when you go into a book store The octopus,

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<v Speaker 1>book The octopus. Book, yes, literally, yes you, know when

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<v Speaker 1>you go to a bookstore and it's Like ashley recommends

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Blah that is it was a grassroots, campaign

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<v Speaker 1>which is, cool, wow, RARE i. Know but since then

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<v Speaker 1>it's sold over two million copies and has been on

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<v Speaker 1>the bestseller list for a cumulative year multiple times and

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00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.839
<v Speaker 1>one just according to one bookstore, employee this is a universal.

422
00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Recommendation no matter what you're in the mood for or

423
00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.480
<v Speaker 1>what you're going, THROUGH i can put this book in your.

424
00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>HANDS i, mean couldn't disagree. More if someone recommended this

425
00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:50.200
<v Speaker 1>book to, ME i would be. Insulted you like, this.

426
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not, like, oh are you into, Fan it's not

427
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.279
<v Speaker 2>like it's like pretty that it's too weird about, It

428
00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.440
<v Speaker 2>like the weirdest thing is that you're the perspective of the.

429
00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>OCTOPUS i guess like in that, WAY i can see

430
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.640
<v Speaker 2>how it's like anybody could read. This it's just like

431
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 2>about and it has a nice. ENDING a lot of

432
00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.039
<v Speaker 2>people don't want to read books that have like too

433
00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>much violence or it's.

434
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:12.839
<v Speaker 1>To make you, think, right?

435
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, yeah challenge you.

436
00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe feel? Mad, Yeah, no what you just said is like,

437
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>perfect which is, like it's not that. Weird it just

438
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>has a talking. Octopus BUT i feel, like just listen

439
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>to this. Quote In november twenty, twenty she sent a

440
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 1>query to several. Agents one of, Them Kristen, nelson wrote. Back,

441
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.480
<v Speaker 1>immediately my assistant reached out to me and, said, this

442
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>this query came in today and it's either brilliant or

443
00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it's bananas because there's a talking? Octopus is that? Bananas

444
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.319
<v Speaker 1>is that really so? Crazy are we a society that

445
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>can't even imagine a character in a book would be

446
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:52.759
<v Speaker 1>a talking. Octopus, yeah now it's like.

447
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Brilliant it's to me it is like, Normy like it's

448
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:02.640
<v Speaker 2>normy culture, weird, yes which is that's exactly, Right like

449
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not that it's just like enough people be, like.

450
00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>What a talking box of. Bit, yeah but it's.

451
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.839
<v Speaker 2>Not but in, actuality it's not that. Weird the octopus

452
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even do anything but.

453
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 1>That you've described the problem with the entire. Book it

454
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:24.160
<v Speaker 1>is like it is for people that say the phrase

455
00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.160
<v Speaker 1>hard pass and then they're, like, ah that was a.

456
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Joke you're gonna. Laugh it's not a joke. Anymore, okay

457
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it might have been a joke the first time somebody

458
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.400
<v Speaker 1>said it one. Time it's not funny. Anymore it has

459
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the tones and intonations of saying something, funny but you're

460
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>not saying anything. Funny you're not. Funny do you understand

461
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:43.079
<v Speaker 1>What i'm? Saying?

462
00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i, Do, Okay BUT i still think if something's

463
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:50.559
<v Speaker 2>normy and it's well, DONE i can get on board with.

464
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>It and that's HOW i felt about the.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Book this is so disappointing BECAUSE i just you're better than.

466
00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:04.200
<v Speaker 1>This you're better than. This you're so funny and so. Interesting. Okay,

467
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.519
<v Speaker 1>oh and then a lucky stroke of, timing the manuscript

468
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>went out to publishers not long after the release of

469
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>the critically acclaimed Documentary My Octopus. Teacher it is lucky

470
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.559
<v Speaker 1>and it sold it, auction which usually auction means a good.

471
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Thing lots of people want it for a six figure. Advance.

472
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow wow wow.

473
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow man got to write an octopus book not to.

474
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Sell you've got to time it with. Something you've got

475
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>to somehow know what's coming out and latch. ON i, think.

476
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 2>All, Right so she did, it and this was her first, book, right, well,

477
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 2>no it was the first. Book.

478
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i do like when it came out of a

479
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.160
<v Speaker 1>creative writing. CLASS i think that's.

480
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Cool, yeah good for. Her she went and did it

481
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:54.079
<v Speaker 2>even though she has two. Kids Inspirational, wow really nothing,

482
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:55.000
<v Speaker 2>wrong all?

483
00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>RIGHT i, guess, okay we can't attack, her but we

484
00:25:58.680 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>can't attack the.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Book all, right this, book we we've already introduced you

486
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.480
<v Speaker 2>to the. Characters So marcellus is the Giant pacific. Octopus

487
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>it's that the is? It so? WOW i listened to

488
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.799
<v Speaker 2>the book AND i don't remember how to say. IT

489
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.079
<v Speaker 2>i also don't remember how to Say Solbey aquarium near

490
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>The Puget. Sound we're Talking Pacific northwest is most of the.

491
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Book there's like a little bit that takes place In,

492
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>cali but most of It's Pacific, northwest.

493
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>A fun environment to be In.

494
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Toba sullivan is seventy year old widow who cleans aquariums at,

495
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>night sure who and becomes friends With marcellus and Then

496
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Cameron casmore is a luckless thirty year old on the

497
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:41.559
<v Speaker 2>verge of financial ruin who comes to Soul bell So

498
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:47.839
<v Speaker 2>obey in an attempt To he's trying to find his,

499
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>dad who he's never meant to try to extort money from.

500
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:51.599
<v Speaker 3>Him m.

501
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Hm you know which good for? Him he. Should you

502
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 1>have a dad that's never been involved in your, life never.

503
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Paid i'll support find that person and extort them in

504
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.519
<v Speaker 1>whatever means you possibly.

505
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>CAN i do Think, cameron obviously most people have a

506
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>problem with this. BOOK i with him this character because

507
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 2>he does. SUCK i think he does go through emotional,

508
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 2>growth WHICH i hated him for most of the, book

509
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>but then by the end probably Liked. TOVA i did

510
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>appreciate him a little, bit BUT i think the biggest

511
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>issue is THAT i have with him is that he's

512
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 2>thirty years. Old he was written like he was twenty, twenty.

513
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Not even like he was sometimes written like he was.

514
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Twenty but then also it felt like a seventy year

515
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>old trying to imagine what a young man would talk,

516
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like like, like whoa that the gym was lit, tonight

517
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>my my fellow.

518
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Bros was it not?

519
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 1>HOMIES? Whoa look at that gorgeous woman and the way

520
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>she like it just?

521
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Her, yeah that was the funny. Thing So, cameron he's,

522
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>like has no, money he's in a, camper you know that,

523
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>smells and he's trying to, like you, know trick someone

524
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 2>and giving him information about this guy who he thinks

525
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>is his long lost father and this other, woman, goodness

526
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the girl what's the girlfriend's, Name.

527
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Katie the one that kicks him, out or his Friend

528
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>elizabeth or his Mother, Daphney, oh none of? Them girlfriend

529
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>and Soul Bay.

530
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Avery Avery avery pops in and it's like he just

531
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and basically he's, like you got ship on your, face

532
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>like says a bunch of, stuff and you smell, bad

533
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:50.799
<v Speaker 2>like says a bunch of stuff him and he follows

534
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>around and it's just like, tits, tits, tits something like. That, Oh, god,

535
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>yes it was VERY i did not like this interaction

536
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:01.839
<v Speaker 2>and then, like, no somehow walks away with her. Number

537
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 2>it didn't make any goddamn.

538
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Because his way of flirting was to look. Back this

539
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 1>is his. Flirt, okay he looks back and he, goes it's,

540
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.319
<v Speaker 1>chocolate by the, way And avery is. Stupid, ALSO i

541
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 1>guess because she, goes what like she didn't remember the

542
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 1>interaction she just had seven seconds, ago and he's, like

543
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>on my, face this is a direct quote from the.

544
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Book on my, face it's not, poop it's. Chocolate and

545
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>then she's, like, whoa let me get you my. Number

546
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it really almost like.

547
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>That it. Was it. Was it was ridiculous BECAUSE i

548
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>was even, like even if they had some sort of

549
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the conversation progressed and she was, like, OH i was

550
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe too mean to this. Guy, whatever you still are not,

551
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>like you still are not gonna be, like let me

552
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>give this guy my. Number you're not gonna be like

553
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>this is SOMEONE i want to consider. Dating?

554
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Whoa we were really Treating barbes back, there he's.

555
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>FAST i think it was something like her reasoning was, like,

556
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 2>OH i like wounded creatures or. Something was? That was

557
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>it something like, that but it was, Like, okay he's

558
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>not your. Target she's like running her own, store she's

559
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>doing well for, Herself like come, on this isn't this

560
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make. Sense and then you find out later the

561
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>reason why it's okay that she's with him is because

562
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 2>she has a teenage. Son so she had a kid

563
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>as a. Teenager so because she's a single even though

564
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 2>she's like successful and some has her own like what is,

565
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it what does she? Do wakeboarding or? Something has her

566
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>own business.

567
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Wakeboarding tourism, business which isn't, true incredibly. Lucrative, yeah she.

568
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 2>And seems to have everything. Together but She cameron's okay,

569
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>though because he's you, know She's, yeah how could she

570
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>find someone she's.

571
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>And not just any kid a fifteen year old who's

572
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 1>going to leave the house, Soon so you, know how could,

573
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 1>she you, know do any better Than. Cameron, YEAH i,

574
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 1>know it's.

575
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous, yes she Like. CAMERON i guess That's. Cameron seemed

576
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 2>for someone who kept complaining about how unlucky he, was

577
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 2>he seemed pretty lucky throughout this.

578
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 1>BOOK i would, SAY i think he's, Hot, Sarah so

579
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>he was hot person. MAGIC i don't.

580
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Remember him being described as. Hot but you're right is

581
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the only way that it makes sense to. Me it makes.

582
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Sense he does have a little bad luck in the

583
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>beginning when he gets kicked out of his apartment by

584
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>his Girlfriend, katie and she does her apartment Totally yeah

585
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>it's her, apartment but she does it in this totally,

586
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>original non cliched. Way he comes home and they have

587
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 1>a big, fight and even though they've been a couple

588
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>for a long time and they live, together she Says,

589
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Cameron i'm, done and she starts throwing his things out

590
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of the, apartment you, know the way regular couples break.

591
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Up it's totally. Normal it's definitely not just something you

592
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 1>see In hollywood. Movies and Then cameron has the realization, that,

593
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>man this is something from the. Book, man this is

594
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>just like something you'd see in A hollywood. Movie but

595
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 1>this is no. Movie this is real. Life that is

596
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 1>a realization that happens more than once in the.

597
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Script is. Things, yeah there's other characters that are always

598
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>like she must have gotten that from A tv show.

599
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 1>That comes up a, lot or LIKE i can't Believe,

600
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>wow this plot point feels like something out of an adventure,

601
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>movie but it's not it's not a work efficient it's

602
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.279
<v Speaker 1>my real. Life so it's like really cool breaking of

603
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the fourth wall that you know the author is doing

604
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>in a, way playing with the fourth, WALL i would,

605
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>say teasing at.

606
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.319
<v Speaker 2>It, yeah like fingering, it, yeah.

607
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Fingering SO i really liked how she was able to

608
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the author was able to capture this relationship and minimize

609
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>it in this incredible way where they were able to

610
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 1>break up in just a couple of. Seconds And cameron,

611
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>said But, katie where WILL i? Stay and she, said

612
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>not my problem. Anymore and it felt LIKE i was, like,

613
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 1>yes this dialogue it's. Crackling it feels so.

614
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>WEIRD i, Mean i'll be. HONEST i like slept through

615
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.519
<v Speaker 2>that probably the first third of the. BOOK i was

616
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 2>not paying much attention to defending. It, well it got me,

617
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 2>eventually it got, me you, KNOW i kept. GOING i pushed,

618
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 2>through and THEN i was, like you, know MAYBE i

619
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 2>would say to the, writer maybe, Edit maybe we don't

620
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>need the first third of the. BOOK i don't, know

621
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 2>just start with him arriving in.

622
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>TOWN i would cut the first, third and THEN i

623
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>would trim to cut the second two, thirds like just.

624
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Well there were some funny things where it's, like, okay

625
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>so in this, story we know we hear from the octopus's,

626
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.799
<v Speaker 2>perspective and that's how we know for sure that he

627
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:54.359
<v Speaker 2>is the grandson she didn't know she. Had cameron Is cameron,

628
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>is and that she is like a lonely widow is

629
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of like. Sex she just have, family and like

630
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 2>all of her other friends are starting to the nitwits

631
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.039
<v Speaker 2>are starting to move away or like move in with

632
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 2>their you, know, family and she kind of is very,

633
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 2>lonely and she even she's with these, people but they're

634
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 2>not really her, Friends like she's not in the way

635
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Speaker 2>that she can really talk to them because they're just

636
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>living different.

637
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Lives and, yeah she, well, YEAH i mean they're her best.

638
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Friends and they say things like, whoa what is what

639
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:30.039
<v Speaker 1>is that ring of octopus looking suckers on your? Arm

640
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>it looks like an octopus's arm grabbed. You and She

641
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>tova prides herself on being like super, honest but she just, says,

642
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>oh it's, nothing AND i love friends like, that you

643
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 1>know WHAT i, Mean like our conversation is so, fun

644
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>And i'm, like whoa did any drama? Happen and you.

645
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Just go, like, no, okay all, RIGHT i get, that

646
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>BUT i think that's like a little bit of like

647
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.079
<v Speaker 2>insight Into, Toba like she's she's a very private, person

648
00:34:58.920 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 2>AND i think that's.

649
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, NO i love those kind of, people, like you,

650
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 1>know the.

651
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Conversation being really mean to like people who are like.

652
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 2>INTROVERTS i don't mind an, introvert, okay because you're coming

653
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>at them hard right.

654
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, No i'm coming At tova. Hard.

655
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay toba wants to keep it's a. Secret she's keeping

656
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>it a. Secret.

657
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay why it's the only interesting thing that's happened to

658
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.559
<v Speaker 1>you in the last fifty. Years you can't give it

659
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the last fifty.

660
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Years her son, died that was, interesting, okay her husband.

661
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Died believe that was.

662
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>INTERESTING i, know because it's all she talks about all the.

663
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Time the book.

664
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't, though that's part of. It you hear her, thoughts

665
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 2>but she doesn't really talk about.

666
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 4>A lot of.

667
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>ISSUES i think that's part of the. ISSUE i think

668
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that's part of the. Issue she doesn't really talk to

669
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 2>other humans about her. Issues so that's what she starts

670
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 2>talking With, octopus which is is, hard but that's Why

671
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>cameron comes, along and finally like she has someone and

672
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>she can like move on past. Everything, YES i. GUESS

673
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 2>i think the funnier part was that there was a

674
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 2>guy who worked at the grocery store who we've mentioned

675
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 2>his name a bunch of, time Like scottish Guy, ethan

676
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 2>who also figured out That cameron must be her. Grandson,

677
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 2>yeah LIKE i.

678
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Didn't genealogy research or something.

679
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Like asking someone else in. Town there's ALSO i mean,

680
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>SORIYRE i can't, okay So i'll finish this thought and

681
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Then i'll go that he finds out and then he

682
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.599
<v Speaker 2>like instead of like calling, her he's LIKE i have

683
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to have her over for, dinner and then like doesn't

684
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 2>tell her the dinner's. Over he's like. Cleaning she cleans everything.

685
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Up he comes. In she has used his like a

686
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 2>grateful dead t, shirt the apprized possession that he kept

687
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 2>under the sake she used it as a rag to,

688
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 2>clean and he's so upset about it that he can't

689
00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 2>tell her this like crazy definitely more important. Information and

690
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.679
<v Speaker 2>then she's she just got like yelled, at so she

691
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.480
<v Speaker 2>like leaves and then instead of being like chasing after

692
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>her or even following up with a phone call or,

693
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 2>anything it's just like, well she's just not gonna know for.

694
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Longer just.

695
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>A heroic figure in the. Story he's supposed to be.

696
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Likable it's just a lot of people scared to. Talk

697
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 2>that's what it felt. Like a lot of people not

698
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>not great at, communication little, little little, nervous and you

699
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 2>want to help them. Out you want to be, like come, on,

700
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>babies you're the, octopus and you're, like, okay come, on,

701
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 2>babies figure it, out. Babies you guys can be, happy

702
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 2>have a happy.

703
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Ending, YEAH i think you. KNOW i guess you're. Right

704
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the book is a bit of an attack on. Introverts,

705
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i.

706
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:55.320
<v Speaker 2>What if introverts were the hero the main. Characters that's essentially.

707
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Wanted maybe that's why people like. It they're, like oh

708
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 2>somebody finally someone's doing. Nothing, yeah represents.

709
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Me finally people are like. Me they're doing, nothing they're saying.

710
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Nothing they bring nothing interesting to the table with their.

711
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Friendships she, actually, THOUGH i will, Say, toba she. IS

712
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 2>i thought she was interesting because she was like when

713
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 2>she made the, decision she was moving and she just

714
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>was doing it even though everyone was like, no, no,

715
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 2>No she's just Like, nope this is What i'm. Doing

716
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 2>i'm moving goodbye And i'm selling this And i'm doing,

717
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it and it was like she was so she was

718
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>like very stubborn in that, way and you kept, waiting

719
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>you kept hearing, Thinking, oh she's not going to sell the.

720
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>House she's going to find out and she'll like give

721
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 2>it To cameron or some. Shit but, no she actually

722
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>does and it ends up so. Happy Any BUT i

723
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 2>just mean they KEPT i feel like teasing, that, like

724
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Speaker 2>oh it got lost in the, mail you, know maybe

725
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you don't and you'd be, like, oh she doesn't have

726
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>to sell. It, no she's gonna still sell it. Anyways but.

727
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Fuck going back back to what happened to her, son

728
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>this is like the whole MYSTERY i guess of the

729
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 2>book is such as her thirty years, ago her, son

730
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>who was like eighteen at the, time disappeared and people were,

731
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 2>like oh he killed himself or oh she always wanted

732
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to hope he'd come. Back it's kind of like. Sad

733
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 2>it is VERY i guess like the police seemed like

734
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 2>they did a bad job interviewing everyone because they clearly

735
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 2>never interviewed the girl he was. Seeing, yeah who maybe

736
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 2>would have been, like, Yeah i'm pregnant with his. Child

737
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.639
<v Speaker 2>or something more perhaps and as is kind of like,

738
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 2>HEAVILY i don't maybe not, heavily but is kind of,

739
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>UH i don't ASSUME i can think how think it.

740
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Works not assumed is implied that perhaps she was there

741
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 2>when he, died that he, uh but it would have been.

742
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Worth it for the police to check out crowd introverts

743
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to he can't do.

744
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:00.079
<v Speaker 2>It small town people, talk but not. Talk that's a whole, like,

745
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>oh small town people, talk but not not that, much

746
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>not so much that it wasn't until a, dinner a

747
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 2>goodbye dinner for one of her friends that a, guy

748
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 2>a drunk guy WHO i guess went to school with

749
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>her son can say, oh, yeah he was with that.

750
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Girl and she's, like, What.

751
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.360
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i didn't know about a. Girl i'm So i'm

752
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.400
<v Speaker 1>hurt all over. Again my son kept. Secrets sounds like

753
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 1>he was a bit of an introvert. Too, Yeah and,

754
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>LOOK i think what the message of the book is

755
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 1>being an introvert hurts, people and it can died actually

756
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>interpreted this game by a boom.

757
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 2>BECAUSE i Guess daphne was an introvert and she just

758
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't need so she kept it. Inside when she saw her,

759
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend the father of her, child get knocked out of the.

760
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Boat she, Said i'm not going to tell. Anyone i've

761
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 2>got to keep this.

762
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Inside believe that he killed, himself you, know that's what was.

763
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>There, also Did marcel's also talk about like eating the

764
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 2>remains of a body or DID i make that?

765
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Up definitely made that. Up but that's the kind of

766
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff that the book is. Missing imagine the octopus eight

767
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>her son's, remains and that's.

768
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't he thought. HAPPENED i thought happened at some, Point

769
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 2>but THEN i was, like, wait how old or conn?

770
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Octopus he mentioned finding when he was a young buck

771
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>octopus finding the like buttons and clothing and the keys

772
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of Missing eric in the. Book, oh so he did

773
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 1>find he found he found the, Body BUT i don't

774
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>know if he found a body he Found, like, okay you,

775
00:41:57.960 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 1>know maybe it was a. Body he does?

776
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 2>It SO i just. DIDN'T i just made up the

777
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>part where he also a.

778
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Incredible this book would be so much? Better are you kidding?

779
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Me why didn't he eat the?

780
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:11.719
<v Speaker 2>BOTTLE i think it'd be pretty much the same three

781
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to five. Years, Wow so that had been there twenty

782
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.880
<v Speaker 2>five years when that maybe by the time that octopus

783
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>found they presume not gonna. Began yeah. TOO I i

784
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 2>also was confused because you know What cameron. Like they

785
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 2>kept being, like he's, thirty but he seems. Younger BUT

786
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 2>i was, like, oh just because he acts so. Mature

787
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.519
<v Speaker 2>and then it was just, like, oh so nobody so

788
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.199
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't do the math or like she assumes she.

789
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Does like even if she, was If tova looked at,

790
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 2>him was, like you remind me of my, son and

791
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>it would be, like.

792
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 4>It's.

793
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Impossible m.

794
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.880
<v Speaker 1>H i think in her mind it was impossible because

795
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>she didn't even know he had a, girlfriend let alone

796
00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:02.599
<v Speaker 1>that he was. Fornicating, yeah and introvert and Impregnating. Cameron

797
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>by the, way we are also treated to this really

798
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>great friendship he has with a female friend Named, elizabeth

799
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know they're good friends because they call each

800
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 1>other lizard breath and Camel. Tron isn't that so?

801
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Funny that's definitely the part of the. BOOK i wasn't paid.

802
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Attention it's just so. Good you, know it's so cute

803
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to imagine calling someone that for thirty.

804
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Years were they in the band together or?

805
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>WHAT i don't, oh the Band Moth green or whatever

806
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 1>the band.

807
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Was now it's way worse than. That hold, on.

808
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>It's way worse than. That oh, yeah in case you,

809
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 1>already in case you were thinking about Liking cameron even

810
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.519
<v Speaker 1>a little, bit he's in a jam band as. Well

811
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.639
<v Speaker 1>that's falling apart because one of the members is having a.

812
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Baby oh, no, SORRY aai is really letting you down

813
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>BECAUSE i know it's. Right it's not, right it says

814
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.079
<v Speaker 2>in remarkably bright, pictures remarkably bright creatures By Shelby Van.

815
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Pelt the band mentioned His Blue. October oh, god, no

816
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>that's not the fucking. Band, god, AY I.

817
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm sad for. This why did a tree have to

818
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>die for?

819
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>That it just does? It, YEAH i will SAY i

820
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 2>will agree with you here That I'm shelby Van. Pelt is.

821
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Not her strength is not these clever. Specifics they're not

822
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>they're Not they're not her. Strength and you're, RIGHT i

823
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.239
<v Speaker 2>don't think she could write a thirty year old man very.

824
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Well he just he never felt. Thirty he always he

825
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 2>felt like he did like a. Man he felt like

826
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 2>a fully formed character to. Me but it didn't make

827
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 2>sense that he was a thirty year old. Man, no

828
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.519
<v Speaker 2>he's always felt like an eighteen year, old AND i

829
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't know a.

830
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>While, YEAH i thought it.

831
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Was, like, oh something like his, background and so he's,

832
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>like you, know arrested, development kind of something happened he's

833
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 2>WHICH i guess maybe kind of was the, case but

834
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like it fully explained why he was written

835
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>so unlike a thirty year.

836
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Old, yes that's very. True CAN i add one more

837
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>thing about his Friend. Elizabeth, oh there's the moment THAT

838
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 1>i checked out of the book, Forever and So elizabeth

839
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 1>is nine months pregnant or maybe eight months, pregnant And

840
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 1>cameron is staying with her After katie kicks him, out

841
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:44.159
<v Speaker 1>and he says something LIKE i can't wait for the

842
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 1>baby to, come And elizabeth says a. BABY i THOUGHT

843
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>i was just. Bloated and then the author adds for

844
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 1>us the Reader's elizabeth's eyes crinkle. Teasing so here's WHAT

845
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 1>i loved about. That the author told us that that

846
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 1>was a, joke and, like so let me explain it

847
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 1>to you in case you don't. Understand wasn't didn't really

848
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 1>think that she was just. Floated she was kidding with her.

849
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Friend excuse me, sarcastic because they're the best butts and

850
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 2>they never had.

851
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Sex, yeah they totally never had. Sex so but you,

852
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.000
<v Speaker 1>know sometimes it's hard to tell when you're. Reading so

853
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the author helped by saying she was joking m AND

854
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 1>i appreciated.

855
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>That CAN i also tell you, Something, johnna mm, hmmm

856
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 2>The NITWITZ i didn't realize they were. KNITTING i was.

857
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 2>NOT i was fully not listening whenever they talked about.

858
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Knitting and then if they WHICH i get it makes

859
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 2>sense the name that that's where it came. From but

860
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 2>then they never talk about nitting. Ever, Again no they.

861
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't they. Don't SO i just was, like, okay they

862
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 2>call it themselves in it.

863
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 1>WITH i, mean it made as much sense for that

864
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>to be true as anything else in the.

865
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Book SO i can't blame. You all, right thank, you

866
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>thank you for not blaming me for.

867
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 4>That you're.

868
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 1>WELCOME i hope you can now rest easy and quote

869
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>let out the breath you didn't know you were holding end,

870
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>quote because that's something that comes. Up, yeah three TIMES

871
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>i counted in the, book AND i think that means

872
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>it happened at least six. Times but that's really. Cool

873
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that's a kind of you, know really original. Dialogue you're

874
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>going to get in this, book AND i, think To sarah's,

875
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.079
<v Speaker 1>point you can listen to it really fast and it's just.

876
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Simple it's simple for what you.

877
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Can miss the first third and it's, okay, okay, yeah

878
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>it easy. Here i'll SAY i Found marcels. Relatable, OKAY

879
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.760
<v Speaker 2>i like he really didn't like. PEOPLE i like, that

880
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and he thought they were, stupid AND i found that very. Relatable.

881
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i did Like. Marcellus i'm gonna be. HONEST i

882
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 1>think he could have been more. SURLY i think he

883
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.199
<v Speaker 1>could have been, funnier for. Sure.

884
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.119
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i think that's WHY i was so you, know

885
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:16.079
<v Speaker 2>almost for, me the book was not funny until. That,

886
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 2>oh let's cut the shit shell away From marcellus because it.

887
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Was so unpretty gat in the.

888
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Book it was very late in the, book BUT i

889
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.199
<v Speaker 2>was charmed by it BECAUSE i was, LIKE i didn't

890
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>know we were doing.

891
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.559
<v Speaker 1>Humor, no, No and it was frustrating because there were

892
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>opportunities for, it like this one moment stood out to

893
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>me Where toova hurts herself and she has to leave

894
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 1>her post for like four weeks And marcellus is, like

895
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>my glass is becoming riddled with. Fingerprints the cleaning woman

896
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been in in some. TIME i can only surmise

897
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>that she. Is and, like in my, HEAD i was, like,

898
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>dead ha, ha that's so. Funny that's a funny thing

899
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 1>for him. Thing but he's, LIKE i can only surmise

900
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 1>that she has retired and isn't coming. Back those were

901
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the choices of this book made over and over, again.

902
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Which, yeah you're, right dead would have been, funnier.

903
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Watered down version of, This like why didn't the octopus

904
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.840
<v Speaker 1>eat the dead body Of toba's? Son you, KNOW i

905
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.199
<v Speaker 1>couldn't we have old?

906
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Enough, well the ages. Don't it doesn't add. Up she

907
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 2>would have had to change that a little. Bit, Yeah

908
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 2>but you know WHAT i? ELSE i liked that there

909
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 2>was like a cat, that, Yeah tova. Had was it

910
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 2>just called? CAT i feel like.

911
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.760
<v Speaker 1>It, Was, yeah it was just called.

912
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Cat and then she. Moved then she moves AND i

913
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>feel like.

914
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 3>She just leaves the cat.

915
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Behind just wondering where you were going with, THIS i was,

916
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:43.639
<v Speaker 1>like you like.

917
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 2>THAT i, Know that's WHY i liked. IT i was, like,

918
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 2>yeah fuck that. Cat and but then Like marcellus is

919
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.639
<v Speaker 2>an octopus and he gets like an epic death last.

920
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 2>HURRAH i like. THAT i like the exposition between the

921
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 2>two of, those because you, know Very you're, like, Oh,

922
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 2>tova there's a cat that she was like kind of

923
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 2>taken care. Of she could have a relationship with this

924
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.519
<v Speaker 2>cat like she has With. Marcella's but no she does. Not,

925
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>NO i feel like that says a.

926
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Lot she, like, yeah she lets like she Lets marcellus go,

927
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 1>free and SO i think something similar with the house.

928
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Cat, yeah but it didn't Have it wasn't a. Moment

929
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 2>but there was no. Moment, no there was like an emotional.

930
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Thing, now BUT i do give a bad. Person thanks

931
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:25.920
<v Speaker 1>for pointing that.

932
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 2>OUT i do like the symbolism With, tova like letting

933
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>go of the octopus as so she's like letting go

934
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>of her the past kind of. Grief YEAH i. DO i.

935
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.320
<v Speaker 2>DID i did find that. TOUCHING i did like the

936
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 2>happy ending that the manchild came back and he's there

937
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 2>and he even got a real, job and.

938
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And Now tova has a, grandson which is what she always.

939
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Wanted, yeah she's got basically somebody to take care of

940
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 2>her if she falls. Again, yeah WHICH i have to tell,

941
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>you that's probably what got to me the most about

942
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>this book is thinking about old people and her fault

943
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 2>and like our parents and, stuff and being, like, oh

944
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>we gotta be ready to take care of.

945
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Them, yeah you.

946
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Know are they sad Because i'm not close to all

947
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of mine all of all of your in laws are parents,

948
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff all of my many, parents so you, know AS

949
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 2>i was born in a. Commune but, like, Yeah i'm, like,

950
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>oh or how sad AM i making?

951
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Them that's kind of, no you're right it. OKAY i

952
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>did have similar thoughts right as you're reading, This you're

953
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 1>like time comes for us all and, like, yeah, well like,

954
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.039
<v Speaker 1>DEFINITELY i was, thinking, like, WELL i have room to

955
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 1>take care of people if they need taken care, of you.

956
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Know in my.

957
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.559
<v Speaker 1>House NO i do. Not, NO i do not. Either

958
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 1>but you know it's like if somebody THAT i love

959
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:56.840
<v Speaker 1>really needed, it what WOULD i?

960
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:57.079
<v Speaker 4>Do?

961
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah you think for? Sure, Yeah and like it

962
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>is sad because in the beginning of the, book she's,

963
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i have no. One but it's also tough because

964
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.159
<v Speaker 1>it's like she didn't have a she made the choice

965
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.519
<v Speaker 1>to have a, child and she planned her life around

966
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 1>that and always expected that she would have that child

967
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 1>there for her in old age and you, know maybe,

968
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 1>grandkids WHICH i think is different than obviously than when

969
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 1>people make the choice to be childless and there they've

970
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>already imagined their life and they have plans in mind

971
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:31.679
<v Speaker 1>for like what.

972
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.119
<v Speaker 2>It has been thirty years, though you feel, like you,

973
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i don't, KNOW i don't, know maybe it's.

974
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Fresh, YEAH i think it's still.

975
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Fair and her husband had died. Recently. Yeah. Yeah it

976
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>also made me, THINK i, MEAN i have two, kids

977
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>BUT i was, LIKE i need to have more kids

978
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 2>against one of them.

979
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Dies my God. JESUS i, mean you, know you gotta

980
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:54.000
<v Speaker 1>have some.

981
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Backups you got to have.

982
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 1>BACKUPS i do you think it's best to have a.

983
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.280
<v Speaker 1>LOT i don't think your ancestors did.

984
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>It, yeah you, know, YEAH i got that. Back that's

985
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>why there was, like, yeah Like girard and then there'd

986
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 2>be That gerard would die and then there'd be like Another.

987
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Gerard be like what is this family? Tree why are

988
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 2>there Three gerards in this?

989
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Family because there's one that, worked one that's.

990
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes but uh, yeah kind of was like or just

991
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>that like you could have kids and they COULD i

992
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 2>feel like just people move more than they used to

993
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 2>back in the, Day like you, know she's got this

994
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.079
<v Speaker 2>house where it's like her great grandfather or like her

995
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 2>dad or, sorry right, whatever it's like the fen in the.

996
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Family it's like people don't do that. Anymore and it's

997
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of, LIKE i don't, know it's it's like it's,

998
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.079
<v Speaker 2>sad but it's the way it. Is AND i don't,

999
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.760
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i don't think it's going back to, that SO

1000
00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>i don't.

1001
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Know, yes it definitely made me think, like, oh you,

1002
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.599
<v Speaker 1>know there's something nice to this idea that, like like

1003
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 1>my mom lived in the same town that her parents

1004
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 1>lived and my dad stayed in the same, place you,

1005
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 1>know and it is it. IS i THINK i know

1006
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that are not in the same

1007
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 1>place as their. Parents i'm not in the same, place,

1008
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Right and it's like you do feel a little bit

1009
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of like guilt or, yeah oh that you, know that

1010
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.159
<v Speaker 1>would be nice to have those same sort of memories

1011
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in that. Proximity but also remember a lot of our

1012
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:34.360
<v Speaker 1>recent ancestors didn't just move a state. Away they came

1013
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 1>across the ocean from their.

1014
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Family yeah that's.

1015
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>True so it's also more like. Them we're not like.

1016
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Them we're more like adventurers setting. Sail BUT i, mean,

1017
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>really that's only three generations ago that we're talking about two, Generations,

1018
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.159
<v Speaker 1>yeah one generation for a lot of, People like it's happening.

1019
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Now people are leaving their, friends their, families their, culture

1020
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 1>their whole lives and like starting. Fresh SO i, think you,

1021
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 1>know it feels LIKE i feel like one family will

1022
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 1>get settled somewhere and they might spend a couple of

1023
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 1>generations there and then like usually someone offshoots somewhere, else you. Know,

1024
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:11.039
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, too as far away as another city in

1025
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:18.079
<v Speaker 1>the same. State, Crazy, yeah we're. Crazy isn't that someone

1026
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>across the.

1027
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Country, yeah, Yeah but, YEAH i don't, Know SO i

1028
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's his aunt seemed Like Aunt jean. SUCKED

1029
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 2>i have An Aunt. Jean so, Sorry Aunt. Jean When

1030
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:29.199
<v Speaker 2>i'm talking About Aunt, Gene i'm not talking about.

1031
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:34.559
<v Speaker 1>You crazy to take it as, That but, Yes, angie

1032
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 1>we Love Aunt. Jane i've only ever heard great things

1033
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>About Aunt.

1034
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Jean daphne is his, mom who abandoned him at age.

1035
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Nine seem to have drug, issues alcohol. ISSUES i had,

1036
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.039
<v Speaker 2>issues probably related to the fact that she's an introvert,

1037
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:59.320
<v Speaker 2>anyway and she and so he was left with her

1038
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>older Her, jean who lives at a trailer par and

1039
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.360
<v Speaker 2>is very proud of her.

1040
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 1>LAWN i don't Think jane was so. BAD i think

1041
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 1>she was a little mean To cameron during one phone,

1042
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 1>call but when he was going to buy her new,

1043
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 1>house and she's, LIKE i, like it didn't.

1044
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Sound like a great parent, though or BUT i guess

1045
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:21.039
<v Speaker 2>like she wasn't supposed to be a. Parent so can

1046
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 2>you get that mad at her for being a surprised

1047
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 2>you have to be a?

1048
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Parent, Yes and so, okay she was not. Great but

1049
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>then he Finds, tova so he doesn't need a gene.

1050
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Anymore he Has, grandma fuck, Aunt, jean Fucking. Jeane she's

1051
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.599
<v Speaker 1>dead to. Us And jean was a little too extroverted

1052
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.599
<v Speaker 1>for this, book so she had to be cut. Out

1053
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.719
<v Speaker 1>she'd be taught a. Lesson, yeah but he Finds.

1054
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Tova but can you talk like this a? Lot did

1055
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 2>you notice? THAT i mean it was like everything he

1056
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.440
<v Speaker 2>was doing was like but come, on and it wasn't my.

1057
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Fault oh, yeah stop talking to me about how to

1058
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>put the trash in, right doesn't.

1059
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Matter and it's, like, well you're being trained by your,

1060
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 1>employer who Is, tova who's like the cleaning. Lady SO

1061
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 1>i would, say she does know how to put the

1062
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 1>trash in, right you.

1063
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Don't have to be Disrespe he, yes he. Is he's

1064
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>never held a, job and he kept talking about how smarty.

1065
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Is it was actually so. Annoying that was the worst

1066
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:22.239
<v Speaker 2>part of his.

1067
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.480
<v Speaker 1>CHARACTER i think another thing that bothers me is, like

1068
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>So cameron And tova find each other and they're two

1069
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 1>peas in a. Pod they love cleaning glass with a cotton.

1070
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Rag but so when the book gets to have a

1071
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.960
<v Speaker 1>happy ending for that, reason but it's like a sort

1072
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>of wish fulfillment happy ending instead of characters that are

1073
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:42.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of like.

1074
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Shown to be, similar, no, like instead.

1075
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Of characters who create their own. HAPPINESS i feel like

1076
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the book was, like here you, go this impossible thing

1077
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>that like you didn't Like, Wow tofa was really, lonely

1078
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and she shows my grandchild and like here we presented.

1079
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 1>One And cameron's lonely and he always wanted to have

1080
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with his mom and he needs money and more,

1081
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.079
<v Speaker 1>help and it's like here you. Go AND i feel like.

1082
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:09.199
<v Speaker 2>That's.

1083
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Nice it is, happy and it's very LIKE i guess,

1084
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.840
<v Speaker 1>hollywoody BUT i feel like it would be nice if

1085
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>they had been able to find satisfaction fulfillment in the

1086
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.039
<v Speaker 1>things that they had instead of like something that would

1087
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.199
<v Speaker 1>be impossible to actually achieve in real.

1088
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:29.920
<v Speaker 2>LIFE i guess you mean like a talking. Octopus, no

1089
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the talking octopus is not the. PROBLEM i, mean. OKAY

1090
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:37.800
<v Speaker 2>i feel Like atova's, character she did have her, development

1091
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 2>like character development at that, age WHICH i feel like

1092
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 2>has to be. Hard you have to be so sad

1093
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.880
<v Speaker 2>in your. Ways, yeah but like the, octopus that's like

1094
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 2>she's like a rule. Follower she's pretty like, dour she's

1095
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty like you, know not doesn't want to show, emotions

1096
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 2>and then she like she gets in touch with their.

1097
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Emotions to the, octopus she's like keeps the, same she's

1098
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 2>keeping a secret with the, octopus who like breaks out

1099
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and then, like, uh THE i guess the big moment

1100
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:11.400
<v Speaker 2>for her, is, Uh cam's like writes a note to

1101
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.320
<v Speaker 2>quit and she.

1102
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Takes.

1103
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:20.199
<v Speaker 2>It, yeah because she doesn't usually wouldn't usually do Old

1104
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 2>tova wouldn't have done, that but she did. It cameron

1105
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.119
<v Speaker 2>just as stupid and got like angry and started driving

1106
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and lost his phone and then was Like I'm i'm being,

1107
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.960
<v Speaker 2>dumb which he, was and turned around and came, back

1108
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:36.239
<v Speaker 2>which you knew would.

1109
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 3>Happened, yeah you knew this.

1110
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Book you saw the happy ending coming a mile away

1111
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:40.840
<v Speaker 1>in this.

1112
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Point we knew they. WOULD i was glad they found each,

1113
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 2>other AND i do, agree LIKE i do think it's

1114
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 2>funny the octopus. SERVED i, didn't, OKAY i didn't find

1115
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:57.320
<v Speaker 2>That tova And cameron seemed, related do you know WHAT i?

1116
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Mean like personality. WISE i wasn't, like, oh that's the

1117
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:02.639
<v Speaker 2>same type of Thing tova would, say or like there

1118
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.719
<v Speaker 2>was nothing like that that felt like it was just

1119
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the octopus being like they moved. Similarly. Yeah, Yeah and

1120
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:12.800
<v Speaker 2>THEN i was, like all, right, OCTOPUS i believe. YOU

1121
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:14.360
<v Speaker 2>i DRESS i hear that.

1122
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Word, YEAH i did not catch it. Myself and ALSO

1123
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.000
<v Speaker 1>i have to admit whatever the octopus first, said like

1124
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.519
<v Speaker 1>there was no question he was her progeny or something like.

1125
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.000
<v Speaker 1>THAT i was, like, well she had another. Kid that

1126
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 1>was WHY i. DIDN'T i was, like, whoa she had another?

1127
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Kid how did she not? Know that's usually on the man's. Side,

1128
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:34.880
<v Speaker 1>WELL i guess.

1129
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i did. TOO i did, too BECAUSE i THINK

1130
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.519
<v Speaker 2>i just was like the. TIMELINE i was very. CONFUSED

1131
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 2>i was, like, Hat, wayne when did her kid die

1132
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:44.079
<v Speaker 2>when is? This?

1133
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes how old is?

1134
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:46.719
<v Speaker 2>This? Guy, LIKE i couldn't follow.

1135
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 1>IT i knew that the sun got boomed in the

1136
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:50.840
<v Speaker 1>head in the, eighties BUT.

1137
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I was, LIKE i didn't know WHAT i didn't know

1138
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:54.159
<v Speaker 2>what year we were.

1139
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.599
<v Speaker 1>In, Set, yes, exactly because everything she didn't have an email.

1140
01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:59.599
<v Speaker 2>ADDRESS i was, like this could be said in two.

1141
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 2>THOUSAND i don't.

1142
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Know cameron's just living in the camper and like buying

1143
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a flip phone from SO i don't.

1144
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i was just, like, yeah it didn't feel like

1145
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:08.039
<v Speaker 2>it was.

1146
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Today, YEAH i didn't.

1147
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i don't actually know when the book was. SET

1148
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 2>i hope not if they if it was set and

1149
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.679
<v Speaker 2>when it came out twenty twenty, three that's, shocking.

1150
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Certainly by the language. Used it didn't make any.

1151
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Sense that doesn't make any. Sense but that's why math

1152
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 2>was hard for. It that's that's kind of, like by

1153
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.119
<v Speaker 2>being vague and in not making, sense it kept us

1154
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:39.119
<v Speaker 2>from being, like, hmm Maybe cameron is her. Grandson, YEAH i.

1155
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Guess.

1156
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:43.880
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i did learn some good octopus facts AND i liked.

1157
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.679
<v Speaker 1>That would you like to share Some, yes the octopus

1158
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:51.320
<v Speaker 1>has three, hearts one, power. Lungs one power is his

1159
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:57.320
<v Speaker 1>gills or, something and one powers his, heart which stops

1160
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.719
<v Speaker 1>when he's, swimming which is pretty. Cool the heart one.

1161
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Stops mm, HMMM i liked.

1162
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:04.960
<v Speaker 1>That i'm more.

1163
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Interested oh my, god, occupy what something really horrible to

1164
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:17.800
<v Speaker 2>tell you about The Pacific northwest Giant pacific? Octopus, okay they? Grow,

1165
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 2>okay this isn't this first, part Isn't They they are

1166
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 2>over one hundred. Pounds they reach over one hundred pounds

1167
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:26.360
<v Speaker 2>before me said this is going to really affect, us

1168
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:29.440
<v Speaker 2>AND i don't. KNOW i wasn't brought. Up females die

1169
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 2>shortly after their eggs, hatch having spent months caring for

1170
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:33.239
<v Speaker 2>them without.

1171
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Eating, okay that's.

1172
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Why are we glamorizing this. Creature of, course.

1173
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 2>It's so so fucked.

1174
01:02:54.320 --> 01:03:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievably, literally they are just a vessel to imp and

1175
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.639
<v Speaker 1>once that is, done the, world the earth is done

1176
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 1>with the female.

1177
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Octopuses they give so much that they die because they weren't.

1178
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Eating the male octopus couldn't come by with some, clams.

1179
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Cucumbers she's the mother of your, children who's caring for,

1180
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.559
<v Speaker 2>these these these, eggs these, hatchlings and you're just old or.

1181
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 1>DIED i can't come by with a mollusc that's. Crazy

1182
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.559
<v Speaker 1>it's so. Fucked AND i bet she's working. TOO i

1183
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:37.920
<v Speaker 1>bet she's. Working she's a full time working mom as.

1184
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.519
<v Speaker 2>WELL i BET i bet where's her maternity? Leave?

1185
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 1>None, god this is so.

1186
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.719
<v Speaker 2>FUCKED i don't. Know i'm Now i'm changing WHEN i

1187
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.400
<v Speaker 2>think Of. Marcellus i'm just here By.

1188
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Marcellus, no he says he never, copulated which was another

1189
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 1>disappointing turn of. PHRASE i was, like you never, Copulated,

1190
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Marcellos so you never, fucked because that's WHY i. THINK

1191
01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:57.800
<v Speaker 1>i wanted to, say that's what we wanted in our,

1192
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:02.639
<v Speaker 1>heart but this book was too cowardly to call it

1193
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:07.440
<v Speaker 1>like it. Was, No, Wow marcellis that's really screwed. Up

1194
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:11.199
<v Speaker 1>he's what an. Asshole that's his, society that's what he wants.

1195
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.599
<v Speaker 2>To, yeah it's weird that there was a female one

1196
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.159
<v Speaker 2>coming and he wasn't, like let me fuck her BEFORE i. Die,

1197
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.000
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i don't. Know maybe that would have been.

1198
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Weird, well maybe too, introverted couldn't say what was on

1199
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.599
<v Speaker 1>his big watermelon.

1200
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Brain yeah it's.

1201
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 1>True, no that's. Horrible you might be, bright but that

1202
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that you're a good. Person is What i'm.

1203
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Learning you can be a remarkably bright, creature but you

1204
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:38.719
<v Speaker 1>can still be a big time. Misogynist did you, say

1205
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:39.800
<v Speaker 1>did you talk about The?

1206
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Netflix? No, WOW i THOUGHT i thought you were going

1207
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to talk about.

1208
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:52.199
<v Speaker 1>IT i know? WHY i, mean why do you think

1209
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.199
<v Speaker 1>there was no summary? Done what have they happened? Here?

1210
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:56.079
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1211
01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay because do you know who was? PLAYING i know

1212
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.320
<v Speaker 1>it was, Saying i'm hoping It's Kathy? Bates is It

1213
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Kathy Sally? Field, okay that's a really great. Pick that's a,

1214
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:07.800
<v Speaker 1>really really really good.

1215
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Pick, Yeah Lewis pullman As. CAMERON i don't know who that.

1216
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Is let's to do a little there's already a, trailer official. Trailer.

1217
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:20.119
<v Speaker 2>OKAY i don't you look kind of? Familiar BUT i

1218
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:21.199
<v Speaker 2>don't know what you've been in.

1219
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.199
<v Speaker 1>A News pullman looks really old people Like.

1220
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Cameron he was also In lessons In. Chemistry, yeah he's thirty? Three,

1221
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:34.960
<v Speaker 2>okay S couch.

1222
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Turns to gold or was already gold before he touched? It?

1223
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i don't know.

1224
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Anything about, him but you, know all?

1225
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Right? Cool, well anyway that comes? Out when the fuck?

1226
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Did?

1227
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh? SORRY i got Lost may, eighth though probably not

1228
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:51.920
<v Speaker 2>long after this comes out. Director oh my, god this

1229
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:55.639
<v Speaker 2>is the overlaps are. Crazy the Director's Olivia, newman who

1230
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 2>also Did where The Crawdad sing directed. It, yeah directed.

1231
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.880
<v Speaker 1>It one of my all time least favorite movies That

1232
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:09.440
<v Speaker 1>i've ever. Seen That, Yes. SABRINA i shot With sabrina

1233
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:12.079
<v Speaker 1>and she cried in the movie theater AND i got

1234
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:16.559
<v Speaker 1>more and more. Angry all, right we'll.

1235
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Definitely have to do. Something we'll have to well to

1236
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:19.079
<v Speaker 2>do a Little.

1237
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, NO i like it because it's already people

1238
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:24.239
<v Speaker 1>we've sort of collectively hated, on so it's like we're

1239
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.760
<v Speaker 1>not really. Increasing they just.

1240
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Got together and made another one of. These oh, man

1241
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.199
<v Speaker 2>But Sally, Fields oh my, GOD i wonder what the

1242
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:34.360
<v Speaker 2>what's the what's the octopus look?

1243
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Like?

1244
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Quickly, yeah what does the octopus look?

1245
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i like that? Question who Plays?

1246
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Marcellus it's not showing me what it looks like in this.

1247
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Teaser never, Mind, sorry maybe maybe that was. RUDE i don't.

1248
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Know they'll for me to stop and watch.

1249
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:58.280
<v Speaker 1>It Alfred molina Voices. Marcellus but, no.

1250
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:00.280
<v Speaker 2>So he's gonna be the. Same should have just got

1251
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the guy who did in the. BOOK i thought he did.

1252
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Good you know would be nice if he was just

1253
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.079
<v Speaker 1>a big, puppet like a big but not like not

1254
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:10.519
<v Speaker 1>a normal like not a realistic looking, puppet but like

1255
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a cloth muppet puppet For.

1256
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Marcia that Would i'm sure that would really be good

1257
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.639
<v Speaker 2>for the. MOVIE i think he's in this. Animation we'll

1258
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:20.639
<v Speaker 2>see How we'll see how do they do? It, okay

1259
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:22.639
<v Speaker 2>we'll see how the effects. Are, well we'll rate it

1260
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 2>on a scale from zero to. Ten all. RIGHT i

1261
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:27.159
<v Speaker 2>don't have anything else to say about this.

1262
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Book You, no this will be One i'll soon forget

1263
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.400
<v Speaker 1>or maybe, not because sometimes the bad ones really stick with,

1264
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Me like what happened on The Bolean sea or?

1265
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:41.079
<v Speaker 2>WHATEVER i can't remember what? That you remind me what that?

1266
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Is what happened in the.

1267
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.360
<v Speaker 1>House it was the one with the boy who was

1268
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the Orphan and.

1269
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.320
<v Speaker 2>It's so not getting me. Anywhere Harry, Potter, no it.

1270
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't it, Wasn't Harry. POTTER i want to make Sure

1271
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.480
<v Speaker 1>i'm saying the full title. Correctly house on The Cerulean

1272
01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 1>sea was.

1273
01:07:58.360 --> 01:07:59.400
<v Speaker 2>BIKE i can't remember what.

1274
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Bloone it's About Linus, baker who is sent to evaluate

1275
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.840
<v Speaker 1>an orphanage for magical children on a remote, oh.

1276
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Orphanage oh so it is kind Of Harry.

1277
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Potter, cosey, whimsical. Uplifting, okay there's.

1278
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Something there's An antichrist in.

1279
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.199
<v Speaker 1>It, yes one of the children was The antiques because

1280
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:26.279
<v Speaker 1>he's a. Monster, okay why is this information that's coming

1281
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:29.600
<v Speaker 1>to you for the first? Time BECAUSE i totally don't.

1282
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.680
<v Speaker 2>REMEMBER i kind, of, like very vaguely remember.

1283
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 1>It it's FUNNY i remember BECAUSE i really really hated that.

1284
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 2>BOOK i got, You, OKAY i got.

1285
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.159
<v Speaker 1>You So i'm. Worried i'm worried that this one is

1286
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.439
<v Speaker 1>going to stick with me, too because of how we'll.

1287
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:47.640
<v Speaker 2>SEE i do wonder What Sabrina, well we'll find. OUT i, know,

1288
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 2>Sadly chloe's not going to get to. Here sabrina's five

1289
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:53.520
<v Speaker 2>out of five on. This but maybe we'll be able

1290
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to do the bonus we know she had. One we'll

1291
01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:00.000
<v Speaker 2>do the bonus app and we'll see mm hmmmm. Hmm

1292
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:02.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll see what she. Says all, right would you give

1293
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:03.479
<v Speaker 2>an answer as our?

1294
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Author, no it's just, dumb it doesn't, matter all, right

1295
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:07.279
<v Speaker 1>we would do.

1296
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:08.479
<v Speaker 2>That we can be we can.

1297
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Just we'll just do she it was it was what fired.

1298
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.359
<v Speaker 1>You she's like watching a video on. YouTube but to be,

1299
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:19.520
<v Speaker 1>fair there is more to her, answer so okay Good

1300
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:23.880
<v Speaker 1>reads five star. Reviews sharon, says like other book, REVIEWERS

1301
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.960
<v Speaker 1>i was skeptical about a book we're regarding an. Octopus,

1302
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 1>okay it's so, weird so weird that people are even questioning.

1303
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:36.279
<v Speaker 1>It BUT i was immediately. Captivated similar to other, REVIEWERS

1304
01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.680
<v Speaker 1>i researched octopus, information and they're considered the most highly,

1305
01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:42.760
<v Speaker 1>intelligent the most intelligent of all, invertebrates and they can

1306
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.560
<v Speaker 1>radically alter their body shapes to, squeeze squeeze through small.

1307
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Gaps that's her. Review and, also like from the, Book.

1308
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Sharon sharon was just impressed That shelby did research on the.

1309
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Octopus that was this is apparently a review that's, like,

1310
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.119
<v Speaker 2>look this author did research at octa.

1311
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 1>But Sheriff sharon's research took her to the same place

1312
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.520
<v Speaker 1>as that the book took. US i guess really.

1313
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Cool it wasn't hard to find this. INFORMATION i found

1314
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:10.680
<v Speaker 2>it quite easily. Myself five.

1315
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Stars it inspired me to learn more of the. Same so.

1316
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay liz, said there have been lots of books between

1317
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:24.279
<v Speaker 1>dogs and cats forming impressive bonds with, humans but this

1318
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:27.359
<v Speaker 1>is the first that involves an octopus in a Human is?

1319
01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 1>IT i don't even know that it.

1320
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.359
<v Speaker 2>IS i DON'T i don't. KNOW i guess we'll look it. Up,

1321
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:35.800
<v Speaker 2>OH i just remember THAT i did listen to or

1322
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:39.560
<v Speaker 2>read something where she Said Charlotte's webb was a inspiration

1323
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:39.920
<v Speaker 2>for this.

1324
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:46.439
<v Speaker 1>Book, Okay SO i guess that's another eight legged, creature.

1325
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:48.600
<v Speaker 2>You. Know.

1326
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay and Then Brooke, avaic who's a writer by the,

1327
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:58.880
<v Speaker 1>way credits herself as an. Author interesting said all caps

1328
01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:04.880
<v Speaker 1>with a combined seventeen exclamation. Marks, brilliant, heartwarming, witty a.

1329
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:10.399
<v Speaker 1>TRIUMPH i laughed out loud and sobbed my pretty little eyes. Out, Okay,

1330
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.479
<v Speaker 1>BROOKE i would throw myself in front of a two

1331
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:17.279
<v Speaker 1>ton bus For. MARCELLUS i need a sequel that's the

1332
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:19.800
<v Speaker 1>same events of this, book just told through the constant

1333
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty four to seven stream of conscious pov Of Marcellus.

1334
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Mare MARCELLUS a.

1335
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Triumph toba is more than welcome to have a few

1336
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.399
<v Speaker 1>chapters sprinkled in as. Well cameron could hit this one.

1337
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Out despite the five star served a five star. Review

1338
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.399
<v Speaker 1>In brook's, mind.

1339
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:41.399
<v Speaker 2>People are fucking horny for this.

1340
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Octopus they, yes thank. You that's what we're getting.

1341
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:47.239
<v Speaker 2>To they are oct a post.

1342
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's a nice full circle moment for the. Episode,

1343
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:58.960
<v Speaker 1>sarah a word that you find. Funny, yeah so that's

1344
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:01.000
<v Speaker 1>where we'll leave. YOU i think that's all we.

1345
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Have, okay, yeah, right.

1346
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:24.119
<v Speaker 4>GREAT i guess we should do our hate, rates though we.

1347
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Should we must.

1348
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Our hate, Rates, OKAY.

1349
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I.

1350
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well it's hard to think of what the most

1351
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.159
<v Speaker 1>annoying number might, Be, chloe BUT i Guess i'll. Try

1352
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.159
<v Speaker 1>i'm going to give it a.

1353
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:47.800
<v Speaker 2>ONE.

1354
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:52.079
<v Speaker 1>B isn't that an annoying.

1355
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Number it's not a number, Annoying it's a. One.

1356
01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:59.000
<v Speaker 1>OKAY i feel Like i'm actually coming hard At chloe

1357
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the Podcast No. Clo you're, RIGHT i do pick annoying numbers,

1358
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:07.520
<v Speaker 1>sometimes but this isn't one of those. Times i'm gonna

1359
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.399
<v Speaker 1>give it a too because.

1360
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It was.

1361
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Bad but it was no house on The Serulian.

1362
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Sea it was no, misery not.

1363
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Misery it was no malice By Daniel. Steele but it

1364
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.920
<v Speaker 1>is just it's poorly. Written. Uh this, AUTHOR i feel,

1365
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:29.119
<v Speaker 1>like does not have an ear for human. Dialogue maybe

1366
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that was The Pacific northwest is, too is too. UNPOPULATED

1367
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:36.600
<v Speaker 1>i do appreciate. THAT i Think sarah AND i correct.

1368
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.760
<v Speaker 1>It the whole thing is a giant attack on. Introverts

1369
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they must be. Eradicated, yeah and so it got a

1370
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:49.720
<v Speaker 1>point for. That finally someone speaks out against the introverts

1371
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:50.880
<v Speaker 1>for taking over this.

1372
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Country, okay before going into, THIS i THINK i was

1373
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna Do i'll be, HONEST i was thinking four out of,

1374
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.159
<v Speaker 2>five BUT i have to BE i. Was the conversation

1375
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:06.279
<v Speaker 2>did bring up a lot of the issues in a

1376
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:08.079
<v Speaker 2>way THAT i am going to. Lower i'm going to

1377
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:09.840
<v Speaker 2>go end up at a three out of five for this.

1378
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:14.760
<v Speaker 2>BOOK i do think for most normies if you could

1379
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:18.520
<v Speaker 2>recommend this book, too just like and they would probably like.

1380
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:23.560
<v Speaker 2>It like they're, like, oh crazy, octopus but it is

1381
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.239
<v Speaker 2>like it's also just a book that deals with some

1382
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:32.279
<v Speaker 2>grief but like doesn't go too dark and also has

1383
01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:36.279
<v Speaker 2>a happy. Ending, Yeah AND i feel LIKE i get

1384
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:39.279
<v Speaker 2>people who just might want to just read some books like,

1385
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:41.760
<v Speaker 2>that might want a nice little palate. CLEANSER i feel

1386
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:46.039
<v Speaker 2>like that this does it for, you even if you

1387
01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:48.760
<v Speaker 2>know some of The. Cameron the characters are a little,

1388
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:54.520
<v Speaker 2>unrealistic the humor is not, great but you know THAT

1389
01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:57.000
<v Speaker 2>i don't think this is a humor. Book, really if

1390
01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.199
<v Speaker 2>you think this is a funny, BOOK i know what

1391
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:02.720
<v Speaker 2>You're you're an ormy and this is a book is for,

1392
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:05.720
<v Speaker 2>You and that's that's really good where we. Are that's.

1393
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:09.039
<v Speaker 1>TRUE i think it might be an opportunity to discover

1394
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:10.439
<v Speaker 1>that you're a normy if you read this.

1395
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Book, yeah and that's, okay so FUN i was laughing so.

1396
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Much that's, Okay and that's.

1397
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 4>Okay just.

1398
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.199
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i, MEAN i KNOW i know some. NORMIES i

1399
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:18.760
<v Speaker 2>know SOME.

1400
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I have some neighbors who are. NORMIES i. DON'T i

1401
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.439
<v Speaker 1>don't have any, friends LIKE i haven't personally befriended, one BUT.

1402
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:27.439
<v Speaker 2>I THINK i do have a few.

1403
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Guys it's. OKAY i can't say. THIS i have a normy,

1404
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:38.359
<v Speaker 1>friend do.

1405
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:40.640
<v Speaker 2>You.

1406
01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Know, Yeah i'll recommend this book to.

1407
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Them oh you get.

1408
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Recommended this book By Sarah. Burton she considers you a.

1409
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Normy whatever that. Means BUT i think we all connect

1410
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:54.640
<v Speaker 1>what it. Means we know what it.

1411
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:59.319
<v Speaker 2>Means, JOHNNA i don't know how we're gonna do, well

1412
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.159
<v Speaker 2>fuck her up THE i, MEAN i don't think we've

1413
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:02.880
<v Speaker 2>ever had an episode where was just two of.

1414
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Us oh, Wow so at first that's really. Cool twenty

1415
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 1>one seasons.

1416
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.119
<v Speaker 2>In, okay, Wow, OKAY.

1417
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I know it's not.

1418
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Me, YEAH i, GUESS i Guess i'm gonna have to, Say,

1419
01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Johanna uh, Okay i'm gonna say you're the little fucker

1420
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:30.079
<v Speaker 2>of the cast because you didn't even do any research

1421
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:36.479
<v Speaker 2>on the. Adaptation and probably the biggest thing is you

1422
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:38.760
<v Speaker 2>try to Blame sabrina for the. Summary now BE.

1423
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I do Blame sabrina for the summary not being. Here

1424
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.439
<v Speaker 1>we all have, Jobs, Sabrina we're all. WORKING i hope she.

1425
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:50.600
<v Speaker 1>LISTENS i Hope meg listens and reports back the little.

1426
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Tack can?

1427
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.000
<v Speaker 1>It can it Be? Sabrina?

1428
01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:58.600
<v Speaker 2>No, oh you know what a Fuck you've already go

1429
01:16:58.800 --> 01:16:59.119
<v Speaker 2>to mess that.

1430
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Up yeah, yeah, Okay so my little fucker since we

1431
01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:09.439
<v Speaker 1>realized it could Be sabrina Is. Sarah BECAUSE i really

1432
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.439
<v Speaker 1>feel like you could have known that and done, that

1433
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and instead you chose an attack on. Me who Is i'd, say.

1434
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Like a very loyal.

1435
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Friend, okay we put in we put in a lot of,

1436
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:29.840
<v Speaker 1>energy you and me like we're, yeah we're putting in the. Work,

1437
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.600
<v Speaker 1>okay we're always like for, real always read.

1438
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:33.960
<v Speaker 2>It, always we'll make.

1439
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:37.119
<v Speaker 1>It we'll make. It let's just a quick. Reminder we're recording. Tonight,

1440
01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:40.640
<v Speaker 1>oh is anybody gonna do the? Outline and, okay and

1441
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:45.239
<v Speaker 1>instead of the, outline you did the. Outline, yeah instead of,

1442
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.840
<v Speaker 1>SOLIDARITY i did that line even THOUGH i got on

1443
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the wrong train on my way home to, work added

1444
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:56.319
<v Speaker 1>longer time to my commut in a panicked, moment got

1445
01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:59.760
<v Speaker 1>on the wrong. Train, okay you came for me AND i.

1446
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Will don't forget. That, okay and it cuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Deep so you're my little, fucker, okay all, Right well

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like we both tied for both the little

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<v Speaker 2>fucker of the.

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<v Speaker 1>CAST i.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess let me put that in, here put it in For.

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<v Speaker 1>Blake m.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm. Yeah it is kind Of the sad part about

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<v Speaker 2>Little fucker is we can't it really it, really it's

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<v Speaker 2>just rips us apart at the, end you, know when

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<v Speaker 2>a time when we might be feeling and so we

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<v Speaker 2>were were on the same. Page, finally it's just no

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<v Speaker 2>rip that. Page you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What it panizes people who attend the most as well

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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.600
<v Speaker 1>who book. Most you and, me because we had john

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01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.119
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to be little. Fucker and and.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's remember this for the next time there is another person.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps an, alliance an unholy elias created In john And

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<v Speaker 1>sarah after, Dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Like let's just see listen built the. Check next episode

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<v Speaker 2>will be? Alliance will it?

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<v Speaker 1>STAND i MEAN i could see myself, crumbling like if

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<v Speaker 1>you do something that really Wants BUT i like this

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<v Speaker 1>alliance AND i feel, like, well like let's. TRY i

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01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:12.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like we have to be sneaky about it, Too

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<v Speaker 1>like it can't be like we have an. Alliance it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be like like. Independently we both realized it was,

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<v Speaker 1>like no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>You, say even if it's SOMETHING i wouldn't usually, Support

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01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.359
<v Speaker 2>i'll like come up with a reason WHY i support.

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<v Speaker 1>IT i might have. TO i will say, this if

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<v Speaker 1>you say something that really annoys, ME i may have

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of comment it on it in the little

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01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.319
<v Speaker 1>fucker section and say something LIKE i almost voted For,

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<v Speaker 1>sarah AND i want you to know on a personal

1481
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:41.079
<v Speaker 1>level that that means THAT i am actually voting for

1482
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:49.039
<v Speaker 1>you in my. Heart that just the alliance, Science so

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01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you hear, that know that you're actually the little. Fucker

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01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:54.319
<v Speaker 1>but for, Optics, OKAY i like. It we'll see how

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01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:55.159
<v Speaker 1>long it. LASTS i like?

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01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:59.840
<v Speaker 2>It all? Right? What? Uh? OKAY i guess we should Say, patreon,

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01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:05.359
<v Speaker 2>please uh patron of the mean, arts follow us on

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01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:08.720
<v Speaker 2>our socials and, Also, Johnna i'm just realizing because we

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<v Speaker 2>recorded out of order or what book are we? Saying

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01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:16.520
<v Speaker 2>is next next?

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<v Speaker 1>Week tune in for The secret Of secrets By Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Brown all, right all, right.

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<v Speaker 2>WELL i guess that's. It we'll see you next, time

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<v Speaker 2>right right right bye bye