Speaker 1: This is a direct quote from the book. On my face,
Speaker 1: it's not poop, it's chocolate. And then she's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: let me know. That was really funny. This author, I
Speaker 1: feel like, does not have an ear for human dialogue.
Speaker 2: Her son died. That was interesting, Okay, her husband died.
Speaker 1: Believe that they know, because it's all she talks about.
Speaker 2: The abandon him in age nine. Seem to have drug issues,
Speaker 2: alcohol issues, if we had issues, probably related to the
Speaker 2: fact that she's an introvert. Anyway, people are fucking horny
Speaker 2: for those octopus.
Speaker 1: They thank you. That's what we're getting to.
Speaker 2: They are oct a post.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where we'll leave you. I think I think
Speaker 1: that's all we have.
Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Mean book Club. This week we
Speaker 2: read remarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van pelt Y. Just
Speaker 2: to puss it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's about puss. You know they have three hearts.
Speaker 1: You know they can grow to be up to seven
Speaker 1: deep puss.
Speaker 2: That was good. I'm sure you know, maybe we can
Speaker 2: even put a beat under that. That's gonna be really
Speaker 2: something like that, Blake, something like that, Blake, make that work.
Speaker 2: Like as always, we're your hosts. I'm Sarah Burton.
Speaker 1: And I'm Jonascravius, and you're listening to John and Sarah
Speaker 1: after Dark, just as tonight.
Speaker 2: It's just as tonight, the old card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Clara might join. I mean we look,
Speaker 1: we know from the season how that goes. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kiddo's stay up late at Clara's house. That's just what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: That's just where she is. That's that's just where we're
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 1: Life and we're figuring it out. But we've been recording
Speaker 1: on weekends a little bit too, mixing it up. So
Speaker 1: you might get Clara, you might get Sabrina.
Speaker 2: You Sabrina is busy. She does not make weekends. She's
Speaker 2: busy all she's so popular. It's really frustrating, really really frustrating.
Speaker 1: But we are here having fun.
Speaker 2: We are here. We heard your suggestion to do this book,
Speaker 2: and therefore we shall do it. Johanna, why are we
Speaker 2: reading this book?
Speaker 1: The why is our girl Chloe, who left a really
Speaker 1: funny review message that I liked. She said that she
Speaker 1: is a Patreon So love that. Thank you. Great way
Speaker 1: to set an example for other listeners, Chloe, It's very true. Also,
Speaker 1: love your name. Great name, so here's what Chloe had
Speaker 1: to say. I have not had the misfortune of reading
Speaker 1: this heartwarming, acclaimed piece of garbage about an octopus, a woman,
Speaker 1: and a shitty man child, but I think it would
Speaker 1: be a perfect fit for the pod. It's also soon
Speaker 1: to be a god forsaken Netflix movie for future bonus
Speaker 1: episode material. Chloe, you know as well. Thank you, Sarah.
Speaker 1: I say we call it right now.
Speaker 2: This one I got, It's I already got. That served
Speaker 2: to me the like ad for the Netflix.
Speaker 1: I had not seen any ads, but I was on
Speaker 1: Shelby Van Peltz Instagram and I so.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about it. We'll get yes. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Chloe predicts that Sabrina will give it five stars. Wrong, Chloe,
Speaker 1: she didn't even read it. Sarah will give it two stars.
Speaker 1: John will give the number of stars that is most annoying. Okay,
Speaker 1: I did not get this far in the review. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've been so I've been like over top, over the
Speaker 1: top complimentary to Chloe.
Speaker 2: I know you have been.
Speaker 1: I've been like close.
Speaker 2: This happens every time, though, we really need to read
Speaker 2: the full wreck before we.
Speaker 1: You just don't expect there to be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: big fan of the pod, I'm a Patreon, and then
Speaker 1: it ends with like John, Johanna suck it. You're also great,
Speaker 1: Johnna sucks. I wish she was dead, but keep going.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 1: John will give the number of stars that is the
Speaker 1: most annoying. Okay, and Clara won't show up. Okay, Sonny.
Speaker 2: It's so far, so true, so far true.
Speaker 1: Thank you for suffering to make your art. I love
Speaker 1: this pod. Now that seems like you love some people
Speaker 1: on the pod, Chloe, and not all.
Speaker 2: All right, this is a form of suffering. This is
Speaker 2: this is this is I like that suffering for our art.
Speaker 2: I really think we should.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm sprying for my work too, because I
Speaker 1: have a very long commute these days. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say the number because it's embarrassing. Two hours
Speaker 1: it is, it is slightly over two hours.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah every day though right now, yes, but it won't
Speaker 1: be every day, but yes, but it's I will say.
Speaker 1: The work we're doing for this podcast, the suffering for
Speaker 1: art has been so fun.
Speaker 2: Like I have infinite time. Oh right, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: You got that commute time, man, that's special you time.
Speaker 1: Really, it is it's it is like this really special.
Speaker 1: I listen. I've been listening to this one and also
Speaker 1: getting ahead on Secret of Secrets, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: be really prepared.
Speaker 2: What is secret? Oh? That's is that a book?
Speaker 1: We wait, it's a book we have later that I've
Speaker 1: talked about a couple times already. I even texted you
Speaker 1: and said, it's really long. You're going to want to
Speaker 1: get a head start.
Speaker 2: No, did you warn me?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: It's wow, seventy seven pages.
Speaker 2: Jesus No, we did really.
Speaker 1: Like small print, hardback Dan Brown book.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck? You know why? Because I thought I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to do that book because I thought I was
Speaker 2: missing it. And then we made the pod record, and
Speaker 2: so I think I was like ignoring all comments on
Speaker 2: it because I was like, look, I'm not reading that book.
Speaker 1: Fuck. Well, yeah, wow, you're going to want to jump
Speaker 1: on that. I can't even guess how long the audiobook is.
Speaker 1: It's got to be at least twenty hours.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll actually have to read that one. You know,
Speaker 2: we'll see see what goes. Well, how did you read
Speaker 2: this one? Howd you read remarkably Bright Creatures?
Speaker 1: This was on the driving portion of my commute okay,
Speaker 1: So it only took me one week of driving to
Speaker 1: finish the entire eleven hour audiobook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also did the audiobook, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like the audiobook was better than the book. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe that's unfair because I didn't read the book, but
Speaker 2: just like I looked at the comments, I saw what
Speaker 2: people were saying, and it felt like people were like
Speaker 2: very positive on the guy who did the octopus voice.
Speaker 1: I've seen that as well. Yeah, what did you think
Speaker 1: of him?
Speaker 2: Thought he did a good job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he did what he could with the material.
Speaker 3: Oh, I kind of.
Speaker 2: I think there was the one point later on with
Speaker 2: the opus not to get too far where he was
Speaker 2: like day one, three six' one of my. Captivity, oh
Speaker 2: let's got us cut the. Ship shall we we have
Speaker 2: a ring to? RETREAT i like. THAT i was, like all,
Speaker 2: RIGHT i was expecting.
Speaker 3: That that's.
Speaker 1: Cute, yes, yeah, yeah well we'll get into.
Speaker 2: It but oh yeah yeah, yeah but, okay, okay so
Speaker 2: we both audio booked. It, yes all, right but now
Speaker 2: it's time.
Speaker 1: For, Uh sabrina sums It sabrina sums it, Up Sabrina,
Speaker 1: sabrina and she's not here, speaking.
Speaker 2: So, whoopsies better we got? It do we have? It?
Speaker 2: Yeah we got it?
Speaker 1: Up all, right all, right this will have to be the.
Speaker 2: Cuff all, Right I'm, Marcellus, FINE i will Be.
Speaker 1: Tova.
Speaker 2: Okay and there's we might need one of us may
Speaker 2: need to Play.
Speaker 1: Cameron, cameron the character in the book THAT i think
Speaker 1: everyone universally has said the book would be better off
Speaker 1: without this. CHARACTER i get, That, Okay, Okay so if,
Speaker 1: needed one of us will have to jump. In, okay all, Right.
Speaker 2: Day five hundred and eighty six Of My. Captivity the
Speaker 2: woman who, cleans the old seventy year old woman who,
Speaker 2: cleans she's very, tiny is walking, around pacing back and.
Speaker 2: Forth she looks like she has something to, say but
Speaker 2: she's saying.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: Stop oh, Hello, marcellus it's Me, toba the building. Cleaner oh,
Speaker 1: oh she's Find. Marcellus IF i could tell you my life,
Speaker 1: story a bit of the plot of my, story it
Speaker 1: would unburden.
Speaker 2: WELL i hope she's not going to tell me that
Speaker 2: her son was killed thirty years.
Speaker 1: Ago, Marcellus if only you could understand, ME i was
Speaker 1: about to tell you about my son who was killed
Speaker 1: misterious at, sea even though he was only, eighteen and
Speaker 1: it's sounds like it would happen to an old ship's.
Speaker 1: Captain But i'm going to talk about it a. Lot
Speaker 1: i'm going to talk about it on every page of this.
Speaker 1: Book if we were a, book which were.
Speaker 2: NOT i just a woman in an. OCTOPUS i know
Speaker 2: you can't hear my, thoughts But i'm THINKING i know. Already,
Speaker 2: God i've seen your little locket with his face in,
Speaker 2: it and it, says it's just so. Obvious i'm an,
Speaker 2: octopus obser.
Speaker 1: Only you weren't so stupid and you knew what was
Speaker 1: heavy on my. HEART i, am okay a little more about?
Speaker 1: Me DID i tell you my son? Died just? Dead
Speaker 1: And I'm i'm kind of hunched and, tiny AND i am.
Speaker 1: BORING i am so. BORING i don't know WHY i
Speaker 1: have friends or why people like, me because my car conversation,
Speaker 1: IS i, mean it is unbelievably.
Speaker 2: Dry and she's Next she's gonna tell me she doesn't
Speaker 2: know her grandson is the one next to her also.
Speaker 1: Cleaning, oh And i'm just so lonely because you, KNOW
Speaker 1: i have no family at. All SO i Think i'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go to a retirement. Home for no, reason
Speaker 1: even Though i'm only seventy And i'm actually in really good.
Speaker 1: Health i'm gonna give away all my family heirlooms and
Speaker 1: all BEFORE i, Go i'm gonna just train this young
Speaker 1: man next to.
Speaker 2: Me that's your grandson clean the.
Speaker 1: AQUARIUM i don't there's something familiar about, him and the
Speaker 1: thing that bonds us is that we both love cleaning aquarium,
Speaker 1: last so you actually love.
Speaker 2: It that's genetic as an. OCTOPUS i know that that's.
Speaker 1: Genetic So i'm just gonna stay here at the. Aquarium
Speaker 1: DID i tell you that my life has been very?
Speaker 1: Tragic and BECAUSE.
Speaker 2: I steal a series of things in order for her
Speaker 2: to understand this, connection AREN'T?
Speaker 1: I i have the dead, sun BUT i also a dead.
Speaker 2: Husband So i'm just it's redden all over your. Face
Speaker 2: i'm part of.
Speaker 1: This, well this is pretty. Fun i'm part of this
Speaker 1: little circle of ladies called the Nit wits because we,
Speaker 1: knit AND i believe that that is something that is
Speaker 1: supposed to make you anyone listening.
Speaker 2: Laugh all, right here's the. DEAL i want to, die
Speaker 2: BUT i want to die in the. Ocean so IF
Speaker 2: i give you the information you seek, about, well you
Speaker 2: don't seek, it But i'm going to help. You i'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you your. Family will you please dump
Speaker 2: me in the ocean SO i can die a respectful?
Speaker 1: Death all, Right, Well i'm just going to go back to.
Speaker 1: Cleaning i'm going to go into detail about some of
Speaker 1: the CLEANING i. DO i clean under this the sea
Speaker 1: lion sculpture's. TAIL i use cotton. Rags you can't use
Speaker 1: polyester rags on glass because it will leave. Lines what
Speaker 1: else DO i? Clean because you the listener are going
Speaker 1: to want to hear about this in? Detail, oh fingerprints
Speaker 1: off the. GLASS i clean. FINGERPRINTS i talk about that
Speaker 1: about fifty times in the book and. Scene, Okay, OKAY
Speaker 1: i think that.
Speaker 2: WORKED i think we got. It, actually what? ELL i? Mean,
Speaker 2: honestly the plot is very. Simple KIND i think you
Speaker 2: guys can.
Speaker 1: Yes so this was a good one, too unlike The
Speaker 1: Dan brown, book which is really complex and, okay, well
Speaker 1: don't be able to improvise our way. Through, Okay, okay
Speaker 1: it really is. Simple it's that it's this octopus that
Speaker 1: talks about, captivity this Cleaner, tova and then, this As
Speaker 1: chloe said annoying Manchild, cameron who is Secretly tova's, grandson
Speaker 1: and we find that out at the end of the.
Speaker 1: Book it's her Son eric who died actually got a
Speaker 1: girl pregnant at the last, minute right before he got
Speaker 1: boomed in the head at. Sea that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Much it boomed in the. Head, yep that's. It and
Speaker 2: they all take a long time to figure it.
Speaker 4: Out.
Speaker 2: Oh also there's that other The, irish The, scott The. Scott,
Speaker 2: sorry oh my, God i'm so so, yeah my apologies to, It,
Speaker 2: ethan thank. You AND i guess there's a.
Speaker 3: Girlfriend we'll get into.
Speaker 2: It But, johnah what's the what's the wine pairing for this? Book?
Speaker 1: Okay the wine pairing is a beer and also a bar.
Speaker 1: Recommendation SO i just WHEN i was reading, this really,
Speaker 1: TRULY i was, like you, know what a great place
Speaker 1: to sen read this book would Be Sea Witch bar In. Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: sarah do you Remember Sea witch In South? Slope it
Speaker 1: was the nautical themed.
Speaker 2: Bar oh, okay, okay that helps and.
Speaker 1: Had a great. BACKYARD i just want to, say if
Speaker 1: you're a listener In New york and you want to
Speaker 1: go to a great bar In Sunset park, Area south So, Slope,
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Sea, Witch, man it's such great. Vibes it's.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 1: Great one time we were there and there was this
Speaker 1: guy seeing at the bar and he was like he
Speaker 1: was kind of annoyed at us or. Something he's, Like,
Speaker 1: oh if you knew who my dad, was you guys
Speaker 1: would you guys would be really. Impressed he's a really famous.
Speaker 1: Musician and you could tell he really wanted us to be,
Speaker 1: like who's your? Dad and we never asked to be?
Speaker 2: Petty all, RIGHT i do want to, Know but ALSO
Speaker 2: i think that's a PRETTY i appreciate that you.
Speaker 1: Did, yeah like that he kept be like he's really. Famous,
Speaker 1: Okay So seawitch great, bar but you can't make it
Speaker 1: To seawitch and you just want to drink like you're
Speaker 1: At Sea. Witch i'm gonna recommend these are two summer.
Speaker 1: BREWIS i know it's not summer, yet but this is
Speaker 1: such a NAUTICAL.
Speaker 2: I feel like it takes place here this.
Speaker 1: Summer, YEAH i feel like you're gonna want to go
Speaker 1: with A Kona, beer which is A hawaiian brewing. Company
Speaker 1: i'm gonna go ahead and recommend the ConA Big Wave Golden,
Speaker 1: ale just a nice light, ale, okay or if you
Speaker 1: want to have some, FUN i, Know, sarah you've had
Speaker 1: this one with me before twenty First. Amendments hell or
Speaker 1: High watermelon such a great. Beer it is such a,
Speaker 1: tasty fresh taste like, watermelon but it's not overly. SWEET i, mean,
Speaker 1: okay well it.
Speaker 2: Does feel like right now you Have actually this segment
Speaker 2: has just changed into you recommending actual things you like
Speaker 2: as opposed to necessarily things that are related to the.
Speaker 2: Book is that?
Speaker 1: Okay? No because, okay the Giant pacific Octopus marcellus has
Speaker 1: a head that is described in the book as the
Speaker 1: size of a. Watermelon, okay, okay all, RIGHT i WILL
Speaker 1: i will suck off. That AND i just remembered that
Speaker 1: when you challenged.
Speaker 2: Me but, yeah great.
Speaker 1: Beer and HONESTLY i looked it up BECAUSE i was
Speaker 1: gonna maybe read a little blurb about, it And i'm
Speaker 1: not going, to BUT i want to say the writing
Speaker 1: of the mere blurb on twenty First amendments website was
Speaker 1: better than any single paragraph in this entire.
Speaker 2: Book, Wow, JOHANNA i play. Something oh, NO i kind
Speaker 2: of like this.
Speaker 1: Book What, YEAH i am shocked and saddened by this
Speaker 1: news BECAUSE i, HM i really strongly disliked this.
Speaker 2: Part, okay, well, NO i think this is. GREAT i,
Speaker 2: mean you, know it's a kind of discourse we.
Speaker 1: WANT i feel like it came out in your. Summary
Speaker 1: you were being. KIND i could tell you you're trying
Speaker 1: to help it. Along you were trying to help the summary.
Speaker 1: Along you weren't trying TO.
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to. CRITICIZE i did know how
Speaker 2: to criticize such a perfect. Book you, know how do
Speaker 2: you how do you criticize? Perfection how do you criticize
Speaker 2: something that's just partwarming.
Speaker 1: A perfect book and you didn't really find it just
Speaker 1: purely heartwarming and. Beautiful there's just no WAY i did.
Speaker 2: KNOW i THINK i did overall like. IT i.
Speaker 1: DID i felt like this was like a book light
Speaker 1: like this was the t A Trading wheels version of
Speaker 1: what a book would. Be it's like if you've never
Speaker 1: read a book before and you, were, like you want
Speaker 1: to be introduced to the idea of a. Book it's
Speaker 1: not quite a, book but here it. Is there would
Speaker 1: be characters like this if you, know they'd be better
Speaker 1: written and they'd have like real voices to sound like real.
Speaker 1: People but, like this is an, idea want to.
Speaker 2: GO i FELT i actually felt the. CHARACTERS i feel
Speaker 2: LIKE i did feel the characters pretty, well especially the
Speaker 2: first the Main tobin, camera AND i felt like the
Speaker 2: plot was very. Simple you knew where it was going
Speaker 2: the whole. Time but it was like the emotion behind,
Speaker 2: it the like, grief the like overcoming that all that
Speaker 2: was like enough to carry it for.
Speaker 1: ME i understand all of. THAT i think that it
Speaker 1: was so cliched that it like really felt like it
Speaker 1: could have been written BY. Ai it was like it
Speaker 1: was just an amalgamation of like here are one hundred
Speaker 1: phrases you would find in a heartwarming book strewn.
Speaker 2: Together there were a lot of heartwarming. Phrases we'll GET
Speaker 2: I i'm, SORRY i realized we didn't get into talk
Speaker 2: about like the book and the but maybe we'll we
Speaker 2: talk a little bit About. Shelby we'll get a little
Speaker 2: bit about a background from. Her so, yes why why
Speaker 2: don't we break break it down for?
Speaker 1: Us, okay so the. Author we'll start with the author
Speaker 1: because that makes more sense to do, that so, right
Speaker 1: it never. Does she is Named shelby Van PELTI's a
Speaker 1: former financial, consultant and her idea that morphed into a
Speaker 1: novel began in twenty thirteen when she took a fiction
Speaker 1: writing workshop At Emory. University one of the assignments was
Speaker 1: to write a short story from an unusual, perspective and
Speaker 1: she came up with an acerbic octopus who was bored
Speaker 1: and frustrated by. Confinement at, first she didn't worry too
Speaker 1: much that taking creative risk by having a highly intelligent,
Speaker 1: octopus or that she was taking a, risk because you,
Speaker 1: know she didn't think anybody would read. It and then
Speaker 1: she added this character of the seventy year old widow
Speaker 1: with a painful. Past she was born and raised in
Speaker 1: The Pacific. Northwest and she wrote it DURING covid when
Speaker 1: she was home with her four and six year old,
Speaker 1: kids which feels like a real slap in the face
Speaker 1: to the.
Speaker 2: Rest, yeah it. Was it was. Impressed, YEAH i did
Speaker 2: hear that. That she was, like, oh they went to
Speaker 2: bed at like seven point, Thirty and THEN i, wrote.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine doing?
Speaker 2: THAT i can't imagine getting my kids about at seventh,
Speaker 2: Thirty SO i can't fuck.
Speaker 1: It, NO i can't fuck it right, now but like
Speaker 1: to have the energy to do something else after your
Speaker 1: children go.
Speaker 2: To, Bed, No, yeah that's the it. Is it's, wild
Speaker 2: it'd be. Wild.
Speaker 1: Wild that'd be wild to. Me SO i don't appreciate
Speaker 1: that little Anew, okay okay at. All it's had a
Speaker 1: bad tone for me starting this. Podcast, okay so the.
Speaker 1: Book but how old is?
Speaker 4: She?
Speaker 1: Sorry, uh she seems, well, look if she had a
Speaker 1: four year old and six year old IN, covid that
Speaker 1: was you, know how many years ago was? That twenty?
Speaker 2: Years, like you, know she's not like she came into
Speaker 2: This i'm gonna, say not middle. Life but how the
Speaker 2: fuck is she?
Speaker 1: Young she looks pretty. Young you, know you're.
Speaker 2: RIGHT i GUESS i. Don't you're, Right i'm. Not nobody's
Speaker 2: telling me how old she.
Speaker 1: Is, well she is a very mysterious. FIGURE i could
Speaker 1: only find like one or two interviews with, her and
Speaker 1: Her instagram is, active but it's all book, promo you,
Speaker 1: know not the stuff we're looking.
Speaker 2: For graduated From claremont McKenna college in two is some.
Speaker 2: Information not, so perhaps she's just a little older than, Us,
Speaker 2: okay a little. Older that's actually significantly five or six. Years, okay,
Speaker 2: okay but, anyway.
Speaker 1: All, right uh, yeah, okay so if we.
Speaker 2: Were writing our first book right, now.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's. True my child's not four years old yet
Speaker 1: that's the.
Speaker 4: Time.
Speaker 1: Okay so it was published in twenty twenty two By
Speaker 1: ego Or Echo, press and it had an interesting trajectory
Speaker 1: on The New York Times Bestseller it had sort of
Speaker 1: a little pop at, first and then it you, know
Speaker 1: just kind of based on, marketing and then it fizzled
Speaker 1: out Until, christmas and then it picked up again and
Speaker 1: word on the, street heart, Es word on the street
Speaker 1: is this is not a book talk, book but it
Speaker 1: was actually a word of mouth book and people were
Speaker 1: coming in and asking booksellers about, it and booksellers, were you,
Speaker 1: know when you go into a book store The octopus,
Speaker 1: book The octopus. Book, yes, literally, yes you, know when
Speaker 1: you go to a bookstore and it's Like ashley recommends
Speaker 1: blah blah. Blah that is it was a grassroots, campaign
Speaker 1: which is, cool, wow, RARE i. Know but since then
Speaker 1: it's sold over two million copies and has been on
Speaker 1: the bestseller list for a cumulative year multiple times and
Speaker 1: one just according to one bookstore, employee this is a universal.
Speaker 1: Recommendation no matter what you're in the mood for or
Speaker 1: what you're going, THROUGH i can put this book in your.
Speaker 1: HANDS i, mean couldn't disagree. More if someone recommended this
Speaker 1: book to, ME i would be. Insulted you like, this.
Speaker 2: It's not, like, oh are you into, Fan it's not
Speaker 2: like it's like pretty that it's too weird about, It
Speaker 2: like the weirdest thing is that you're the perspective of the.
Speaker 2: OCTOPUS i guess like in that, WAY i can see
Speaker 2: how it's like anybody could read. This it's just like
Speaker 2: about and it has a nice. ENDING a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't want to read books that have like too
Speaker 2: much violence or it's.
Speaker 1: To make you, think, right?
Speaker 2: Gotcha, yeah challenge you.
Speaker 1: Maybe feel? Mad, Yeah, no what you just said is like,
Speaker 1: perfect which is, like it's not that. Weird it just
Speaker 1: has a talking. Octopus BUT i feel, like just listen
Speaker 1: to this. Quote In november twenty, twenty she sent a
Speaker 1: query to several. Agents one of, Them Kristen, nelson wrote. Back,
Speaker 1: immediately my assistant reached out to me and, said, this
Speaker 1: this query came in today and it's either brilliant or
Speaker 1: it's bananas because there's a talking? Octopus is that? Bananas
Speaker 1: is that really so? Crazy are we a society that
Speaker 1: can't even imagine a character in a book would be
Speaker 1: a talking. Octopus, yeah now it's like.
Speaker 2: Brilliant it's to me it is like, Normy like it's
Speaker 2: normy culture, weird, yes which is that's exactly, Right like
Speaker 2: it's not that it's just like enough people be, like.
Speaker 1: What a talking box of. Bit, yeah but it's.
Speaker 2: Not but in, actuality it's not that. Weird the octopus
Speaker 2: doesn't even do anything but.
Speaker 1: That you've described the problem with the entire. Book it
Speaker 1: is like it is for people that say the phrase
Speaker 1: hard pass and then they're, like, ah that was a.
Speaker 1: Joke you're gonna. Laugh it's not a joke. Anymore, okay
Speaker 1: it might have been a joke the first time somebody
Speaker 1: said it one. Time it's not funny. Anymore it has
Speaker 1: the tones and intonations of saying something, funny but you're
Speaker 1: not saying anything. Funny you're not. Funny do you understand
Speaker 1: What i'm? Saying?
Speaker 2: YEAH i, Do, Okay BUT i still think if something's
Speaker 2: normy and it's well, DONE i can get on board with.
Speaker 2: It and that's HOW i felt about the.
Speaker 1: Book this is so disappointing BECAUSE i just you're better than.
Speaker 1: This you're better than. This you're so funny and so. Interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh and then a lucky stroke of, timing the manuscript
Speaker 1: went out to publishers not long after the release of
Speaker 1: the critically acclaimed Documentary My Octopus. Teacher it is lucky
Speaker 1: and it sold it, auction which usually auction means a good.
Speaker 1: Thing lots of people want it for a six figure. Advance.
Speaker 1: Wow wow wow.
Speaker 2: Wow man got to write an octopus book not to.
Speaker 1: Sell you've got to time it with. Something you've got
Speaker 1: to somehow know what's coming out and latch. ON i, think.
Speaker 2: All, Right so she did, it and this was her first, book, right, well,
Speaker 2: no it was the first. Book.
Speaker 1: YEAH i do like when it came out of a
Speaker 1: creative writing. CLASS i think that's.
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah good for. Her she went and did it
Speaker 2: even though she has two. Kids Inspirational, wow really nothing,
Speaker 2: wrong all?
Speaker 1: RIGHT i, guess, okay we can't attack, her but we
Speaker 1: can't attack the.
Speaker 2: Book all, right this, book we we've already introduced you
Speaker 2: to the. Characters So marcellus is the Giant pacific. Octopus
Speaker 2: it's that the is? It so? WOW i listened to
Speaker 2: the book AND i don't remember how to say. IT
Speaker 2: i also don't remember how to Say Solbey aquarium near
Speaker 2: The Puget. Sound we're Talking Pacific northwest is most of the.
Speaker 2: Book there's like a little bit that takes place In,
Speaker 2: cali but most of It's Pacific, northwest.
Speaker 1: A fun environment to be In.
Speaker 2: Toba sullivan is seventy year old widow who cleans aquariums at,
Speaker 2: night sure who and becomes friends With marcellus and Then
Speaker 2: Cameron casmore is a luckless thirty year old on the
Speaker 2: verge of financial ruin who comes to Soul bell So
Speaker 2: obey in an attempt To he's trying to find his,
Speaker 2: dad who he's never meant to try to extort money from.
Speaker 3: Him m.
Speaker 1: Hm you know which good for? Him he. Should you
Speaker 1: have a dad that's never been involved in your, life never.
Speaker 1: Paid i'll support find that person and extort them in
Speaker 1: whatever means you possibly.
Speaker 2: CAN i do Think, cameron obviously most people have a
Speaker 2: problem with this. BOOK i with him this character because
Speaker 2: he does. SUCK i think he does go through emotional,
Speaker 2: growth WHICH i hated him for most of the, book
Speaker 2: but then by the end probably Liked. TOVA i did
Speaker 2: appreciate him a little, bit BUT i think the biggest
Speaker 2: issue is THAT i have with him is that he's
Speaker 2: thirty years. Old he was written like he was twenty, twenty.
Speaker 1: Not even like he was sometimes written like he was.
Speaker 1: Twenty but then also it felt like a seventy year
Speaker 1: old trying to imagine what a young man would talk,
Speaker 1: like like, like whoa that the gym was lit, tonight
Speaker 1: my my fellow.
Speaker 2: Bros was it not?
Speaker 1: HOMIES? Whoa look at that gorgeous woman and the way
Speaker 1: she like it just?
Speaker 2: Her, yeah that was the funny. Thing So, cameron he's,
Speaker 2: like has no, money he's in a, camper you know that,
Speaker 2: smells and he's trying to, like you, know trick someone
Speaker 2: and giving him information about this guy who he thinks
Speaker 2: is his long lost father and this other, woman, goodness
Speaker 2: the girl what's the girlfriend's, Name.
Speaker 1: Katie the one that kicks him, out or his Friend
Speaker 1: elizabeth or his Mother, Daphney, oh none of? Them girlfriend
Speaker 1: and Soul Bay.
Speaker 2: Avery Avery avery pops in and it's like he just
Speaker 2: and basically he's, like you got ship on your, face
Speaker 2: like says a bunch of, stuff and you smell, bad
Speaker 2: like says a bunch of stuff him and he follows
Speaker 2: around and it's just like, tits, tits, tits something like. That, Oh, god,
Speaker 2: yes it was VERY i did not like this interaction
Speaker 2: and then, like, no somehow walks away with her. Number
Speaker 2: it didn't make any goddamn.
Speaker 1: Because his way of flirting was to look. Back this
Speaker 1: is his. Flirt, okay he looks back and he, goes it's,
Speaker 1: chocolate by the, way And avery is. Stupid, ALSO i
Speaker 1: guess because she, goes what like she didn't remember the
Speaker 1: interaction she just had seven seconds, ago and he's, like
Speaker 1: on my, face this is a direct quote from the.
Speaker 1: Book on my, face it's not, poop it's. Chocolate and
Speaker 1: then she's, like, whoa let me get you my. Number
Speaker 1: it really almost like.
Speaker 2: That it. Was it. Was it was ridiculous BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: was even, like even if they had some sort of
Speaker 2: the conversation progressed and she was, like, OH i was
Speaker 2: maybe too mean to this. Guy, whatever you still are not,
Speaker 2: like you still are not gonna be, like let me
Speaker 2: give this guy my. Number you're not gonna be like
Speaker 2: this is SOMEONE i want to consider. Dating?
Speaker 1: Whoa we were really Treating barbes back, there he's.
Speaker 2: FAST i think it was something like her reasoning was, like,
Speaker 2: OH i like wounded creatures or. Something was? That was
Speaker 2: it something like, that but it was, Like, okay he's
Speaker 2: not your. Target she's like running her own, store she's
Speaker 2: doing well for, Herself like come, on this isn't this
Speaker 2: doesn't make. Sense and then you find out later the
Speaker 2: reason why it's okay that she's with him is because
Speaker 2: she has a teenage. Son so she had a kid
Speaker 2: as a. Teenager so because she's a single even though
Speaker 2: she's like successful and some has her own like what is,
Speaker 2: it what does she? Do wakeboarding or? Something has her
Speaker 2: own business.
Speaker 1: Wakeboarding tourism, business which isn't, true incredibly. Lucrative, yeah she.
Speaker 2: And seems to have everything. Together but She cameron's okay,
Speaker 2: though because he's you, know She's, yeah how could she
Speaker 2: find someone she's.
Speaker 1: And not just any kid a fifteen year old who's
Speaker 1: going to leave the house, Soon so you, know how could,
Speaker 1: she you, know do any better Than. Cameron, YEAH i,
Speaker 1: know it's.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, yes she Like. CAMERON i guess That's. Cameron seemed
Speaker 2: for someone who kept complaining about how unlucky he, was
Speaker 2: he seemed pretty lucky throughout this.
Speaker 1: BOOK i would, SAY i think he's, Hot, Sarah so
Speaker 1: he was hot person. MAGIC i don't.
Speaker 2: Remember him being described as. Hot but you're right is
Speaker 2: the only way that it makes sense to. Me it makes.
Speaker 1: Sense he does have a little bad luck in the
Speaker 1: beginning when he gets kicked out of his apartment by
Speaker 1: his Girlfriend, katie and she does her apartment Totally yeah
Speaker 1: it's her, apartment but she does it in this totally,
Speaker 1: original non cliched. Way he comes home and they have
Speaker 1: a big, fight and even though they've been a couple
Speaker 1: for a long time and they live, together she Says,
Speaker 1: Cameron i'm, done and she starts throwing his things out
Speaker 1: of the, apartment you, know the way regular couples break.
Speaker 1: Up it's totally. Normal it's definitely not just something you
Speaker 1: see In hollywood. Movies and Then cameron has the realization, that,
Speaker 1: man this is something from the. Book, man this is
Speaker 1: just like something you'd see in A hollywood. Movie but
Speaker 1: this is no. Movie this is real. Life that is
Speaker 1: a realization that happens more than once in the.
Speaker 2: Script is. Things, yeah there's other characters that are always
Speaker 2: like she must have gotten that from A tv show.
Speaker 1: That comes up a, lot or LIKE i can't Believe,
Speaker 1: wow this plot point feels like something out of an adventure,
Speaker 1: movie but it's not it's not a work efficient it's
Speaker 1: my real. Life so it's like really cool breaking of
Speaker 1: the fourth wall that you know the author is doing
Speaker 1: in a, way playing with the fourth, WALL i would,
Speaker 1: say teasing at.
Speaker 2: It, yeah like fingering, it, yeah.
Speaker 1: Fingering SO i really liked how she was able to
Speaker 1: the author was able to capture this relationship and minimize
Speaker 1: it in this incredible way where they were able to
Speaker 1: break up in just a couple of. Seconds And cameron,
Speaker 1: said But, katie where WILL i? Stay and she, said
Speaker 1: not my problem. Anymore and it felt LIKE i was, like,
Speaker 1: yes this dialogue it's. Crackling it feels so.
Speaker 2: WEIRD i, Mean i'll be. HONEST i like slept through
Speaker 2: that probably the first third of the. BOOK i was
Speaker 2: not paying much attention to defending. It, well it got me,
Speaker 2: eventually it got, me you, KNOW i kept. GOING i pushed,
Speaker 2: through and THEN i was, like you, know MAYBE i
Speaker 2: would say to the, writer maybe, Edit maybe we don't
Speaker 2: need the first third of the. BOOK i don't, know
Speaker 2: just start with him arriving in.
Speaker 1: TOWN i would cut the first, third and THEN i
Speaker 1: would trim to cut the second two, thirds like just.
Speaker 2: Well there were some funny things where it's, like, okay
Speaker 2: so in this, story we know we hear from the octopus's,
Speaker 2: perspective and that's how we know for sure that he
Speaker 2: is the grandson she didn't know she. Had cameron Is cameron,
Speaker 2: is and that she is like a lonely widow is
Speaker 2: kind of like. Sex she just have, family and like
Speaker 2: all of her other friends are starting to the nitwits
Speaker 2: are starting to move away or like move in with
Speaker 2: their you, know, family and she kind of is very,
Speaker 2: lonely and she even she's with these, people but they're
Speaker 2: not really her, Friends like she's not in the way
Speaker 2: that she can really talk to them because they're just
Speaker 2: living different.
Speaker 1: Lives and, yeah she, well, YEAH i mean they're her best.
Speaker 1: Friends and they say things like, whoa what is what
Speaker 1: is that ring of octopus looking suckers on your? Arm
Speaker 1: it looks like an octopus's arm grabbed. You and She
Speaker 1: tova prides herself on being like super, honest but she just, says,
Speaker 1: oh it's, nothing AND i love friends like, that you
Speaker 1: know WHAT i, Mean like our conversation is so, fun
Speaker 1: And i'm, like whoa did any drama? Happen and you.
Speaker 2: Just go, like, no, okay all, RIGHT i get, that
Speaker 2: BUT i think that's like a little bit of like
Speaker 2: insight Into, Toba like she's she's a very private, person
Speaker 2: AND i think that's.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, NO i love those kind of, people, like you,
Speaker 1: know the.
Speaker 2: Conversation being really mean to like people who are like.
Speaker 2: INTROVERTS i don't mind an, introvert, okay because you're coming
Speaker 2: at them hard right.
Speaker 1: Now, No i'm coming At tova. Hard.
Speaker 2: Okay toba wants to keep it's a. Secret she's keeping
Speaker 2: it a. Secret.
Speaker 1: Okay why it's the only interesting thing that's happened to
Speaker 1: you in the last fifty. Years you can't give it
Speaker 1: the last fifty.
Speaker 2: Years her son, died that was, interesting, okay her husband.
Speaker 2: Died believe that was.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i, know because it's all she talks about all the.
Speaker 1: Time the book.
Speaker 2: Doesn't, though that's part of. It you hear her, thoughts
Speaker 2: but she doesn't really talk about.
Speaker 4: A lot of.
Speaker 2: ISSUES i think that's part of the. ISSUE i think
Speaker 2: that's part of the. Issue she doesn't really talk to
Speaker 2: other humans about her. Issues so that's what she starts
Speaker 2: talking With, octopus which is is, hard but that's Why
Speaker 2: cameron comes, along and finally like she has someone and
Speaker 2: she can like move on past. Everything, YES i. GUESS
Speaker 2: i think the funnier part was that there was a
Speaker 2: guy who worked at the grocery store who we've mentioned
Speaker 2: his name a bunch of, time Like scottish Guy, ethan
Speaker 2: who also figured out That cameron must be her. Grandson,
Speaker 2: yeah LIKE i.
Speaker 1: Didn't genealogy research or something.
Speaker 2: Like asking someone else in. Town there's ALSO i mean,
Speaker 2: SORIYRE i can't, okay So i'll finish this thought and
Speaker 2: Then i'll go that he finds out and then he
Speaker 2: like instead of like calling, her he's LIKE i have
Speaker 2: to have her over for, dinner and then like doesn't
Speaker 2: tell her the dinner's. Over he's like. Cleaning she cleans everything.
Speaker 2: Up he comes. In she has used his like a
Speaker 2: grateful dead t, shirt the apprized possession that he kept
Speaker 2: under the sake she used it as a rag to,
Speaker 2: clean and he's so upset about it that he can't
Speaker 2: tell her this like crazy definitely more important. Information and
Speaker 2: then she's she just got like yelled, at so she
Speaker 2: like leaves and then instead of being like chasing after
Speaker 2: her or even following up with a phone call or,
Speaker 2: anything it's just like, well she's just not gonna know for.
Speaker 2: Longer just.
Speaker 1: A heroic figure in the. Story he's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Likable it's just a lot of people scared to. Talk
Speaker 2: that's what it felt. Like a lot of people not
Speaker 2: not great at, communication little, little little, nervous and you
Speaker 2: want to help them. Out you want to be, like come, on,
Speaker 2: babies you're the, octopus and you're, like, okay come, on,
Speaker 2: babies figure it, out. Babies you guys can be, happy
Speaker 2: have a happy.
Speaker 1: Ending, YEAH i think you. KNOW i guess you're. Right
Speaker 1: the book is a bit of an attack on. Introverts,
Speaker 1: YEAH i.
Speaker 2: What if introverts were the hero the main. Characters that's essentially.
Speaker 2: Wanted maybe that's why people like. It they're, like oh
Speaker 2: somebody finally someone's doing. Nothing, yeah represents.
Speaker 1: Me finally people are like. Me they're doing, nothing they're saying.
Speaker 1: Nothing they bring nothing interesting to the table with their.
Speaker 2: Friendships she, actually, THOUGH i will, Say, toba she. IS
Speaker 2: i thought she was interesting because she was like when
Speaker 2: she made the, decision she was moving and she just
Speaker 2: was doing it even though everyone was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: No she's just Like, nope this is What i'm. Doing
Speaker 2: i'm moving goodbye And i'm selling this And i'm doing,
Speaker 2: it and it was like she was so she was
Speaker 2: like very stubborn in that, way and you kept, waiting
Speaker 2: you kept hearing, Thinking, oh she's not going to sell the.
Speaker 2: House she's going to find out and she'll like give
Speaker 2: it To cameron or some. Shit but, no she actually
Speaker 2: does and it ends up so. Happy Any BUT i
Speaker 2: just mean they KEPT i feel like teasing, that, like
Speaker 2: oh it got lost in the, mail you, know maybe
Speaker 2: you don't and you'd be, like, oh she doesn't have
Speaker 2: to sell. It, no she's gonna still sell it. Anyways but.
Speaker 2: Fuck going back back to what happened to her, son
Speaker 2: this is like the whole MYSTERY i guess of the
Speaker 2: book is such as her thirty years, ago her, son
Speaker 2: who was like eighteen at the, time disappeared and people were,
Speaker 2: like oh he killed himself or oh she always wanted
Speaker 2: to hope he'd come. Back it's kind of like. Sad
Speaker 2: it is VERY i guess like the police seemed like
Speaker 2: they did a bad job interviewing everyone because they clearly
Speaker 2: never interviewed the girl he was. Seeing, yeah who maybe
Speaker 2: would have been, like, Yeah i'm pregnant with his. Child
Speaker 2: or something more perhaps and as is kind of like,
Speaker 2: HEAVILY i don't maybe not, heavily but is kind of,
Speaker 2: UH i don't ASSUME i can think how think it.
Speaker 2: Works not assumed is implied that perhaps she was there
Speaker 2: when he, died that he, uh but it would have been.
Speaker 1: Worth it for the police to check out crowd introverts
Speaker 1: to he can't do.
Speaker 2: It small town people, talk but not. Talk that's a whole, like,
Speaker 2: oh small town people, talk but not not that, much
Speaker 2: not so much that it wasn't until a, dinner a
Speaker 2: goodbye dinner for one of her friends that a, guy
Speaker 2: a drunk guy WHO i guess went to school with
Speaker 2: her son can say, oh, yeah he was with that.
Speaker 2: Girl and she's, like, What.
Speaker 1: YEAH i didn't know about a. Girl i'm So i'm
Speaker 1: hurt all over. Again my son kept. Secrets sounds like
Speaker 1: he was a bit of an introvert. Too, Yeah and,
Speaker 1: LOOK i think what the message of the book is
Speaker 1: being an introvert hurts, people and it can died actually
Speaker 1: interpreted this game by a boom.
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i Guess daphne was an introvert and she just
Speaker 2: didn't need so she kept it. Inside when she saw her,
Speaker 2: boyfriend the father of her, child get knocked out of the.
Speaker 2: Boat she, Said i'm not going to tell. Anyone i've
Speaker 2: got to keep this.
Speaker 1: Inside believe that he killed, himself you, know that's what was.
Speaker 2: There, also Did marcel's also talk about like eating the
Speaker 2: remains of a body or DID i make that?
Speaker 1: Up definitely made that. Up but that's the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that the book is. Missing imagine the octopus eight
Speaker 1: her son's, remains and that's.
Speaker 2: Doesn't he thought. HAPPENED i thought happened at some, Point
Speaker 2: but THEN i was, like, wait how old or conn?
Speaker 1: Octopus he mentioned finding when he was a young buck
Speaker 1: octopus finding the like buttons and clothing and the keys
Speaker 1: of Missing eric in the. Book, oh so he did
Speaker 1: find he found he found the, Body BUT i don't
Speaker 1: know if he found a body he Found, like, okay you,
Speaker 1: know maybe it was a. Body he does?
Speaker 2: It SO i just. DIDN'T i just made up the
Speaker 2: part where he also a.
Speaker 1: Incredible this book would be so much? Better are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Me why didn't he eat the?
Speaker 2: BOTTLE i think it'd be pretty much the same three
Speaker 2: to five. Years, Wow so that had been there twenty
Speaker 2: five years when that maybe by the time that octopus
Speaker 2: found they presume not gonna. Began yeah. TOO I i
Speaker 2: also was confused because you know What cameron. Like they
Speaker 2: kept being, like he's, thirty but he seems. Younger BUT
Speaker 2: i was, like, oh just because he acts so. Mature
Speaker 2: and then it was just, like, oh so nobody so
Speaker 2: she doesn't do the math or like she assumes she.
Speaker 2: Does like even if she, was If tova looked at,
Speaker 2: him was, like you remind me of my, son and
Speaker 2: it would be, like.
Speaker 4: It's.
Speaker 2: Impossible m.
Speaker 1: H i think in her mind it was impossible because
Speaker 1: she didn't even know he had a, girlfriend let alone
Speaker 1: that he was. Fornicating, yeah and introvert and Impregnating. Cameron
Speaker 1: by the, way we are also treated to this really
Speaker 1: great friendship he has with a female friend Named, elizabeth
Speaker 1: and you know they're good friends because they call each
Speaker 1: other lizard breath and Camel. Tron isn't that so?
Speaker 2: Funny that's definitely the part of the. BOOK i wasn't paid.
Speaker 1: Attention it's just so. Good you, know it's so cute
Speaker 1: to imagine calling someone that for thirty.
Speaker 2: Years were they in the band together or?
Speaker 1: WHAT i don't, oh the Band Moth green or whatever
Speaker 1: the band.
Speaker 2: Was now it's way worse than. That hold, on.
Speaker 1: It's way worse than. That oh, yeah in case you,
Speaker 1: already in case you were thinking about Liking cameron even
Speaker 1: a little, bit he's in a jam band as. Well
Speaker 1: that's falling apart because one of the members is having a.
Speaker 2: Baby oh, no, SORRY aai is really letting you down
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know it's. Right it's not, right it says
Speaker 2: in remarkably bright, pictures remarkably bright creatures By Shelby Van.
Speaker 2: Pelt the band mentioned His Blue. October oh, god, no
Speaker 2: that's not the fucking. Band, god, AY I.
Speaker 1: I'm sad for. This why did a tree have to
Speaker 1: die for?
Speaker 2: That it just does? It, YEAH i will SAY i
Speaker 2: will agree with you here That I'm shelby Van. Pelt is.
Speaker 2: Not her strength is not these clever. Specifics they're not
Speaker 2: they're Not they're not her. Strength and you're, RIGHT i
Speaker 2: don't think she could write a thirty year old man very.
Speaker 2: Well he just he never felt. Thirty he always he
Speaker 2: felt like he did like a. Man he felt like
Speaker 2: a fully formed character to. Me but it didn't make
Speaker 2: sense that he was a thirty year old. Man, no
Speaker 2: he's always felt like an eighteen year, old AND i
Speaker 2: didn't know a.
Speaker 1: While, YEAH i thought it.
Speaker 2: Was, like, oh something like his, background and so he's,
Speaker 2: like you, know arrested, development kind of something happened he's
Speaker 2: WHICH i guess maybe kind of was the, case but
Speaker 2: didn't feel like it fully explained why he was written
Speaker 2: so unlike a thirty year.
Speaker 1: Old, yes that's very. True CAN i add one more
Speaker 1: thing about his Friend. Elizabeth, oh there's the moment THAT
Speaker 1: i checked out of the book, Forever and So elizabeth
Speaker 1: is nine months pregnant or maybe eight months, pregnant And
Speaker 1: cameron is staying with her After katie kicks him, out
Speaker 1: and he says something LIKE i can't wait for the
Speaker 1: baby to, come And elizabeth says a. BABY i THOUGHT
Speaker 1: i was just. Bloated and then the author adds for
Speaker 1: us the Reader's elizabeth's eyes crinkle. Teasing so here's WHAT
Speaker 1: i loved about. That the author told us that that
Speaker 1: was a, joke and, like so let me explain it
Speaker 1: to you in case you don't. Understand wasn't didn't really
Speaker 1: think that she was just. Floated she was kidding with her.
Speaker 2: Friend excuse me, sarcastic because they're the best butts and
Speaker 2: they never had.
Speaker 1: Sex, yeah they totally never had. Sex so but you,
Speaker 1: know sometimes it's hard to tell when you're. Reading so
Speaker 1: the author helped by saying she was joking m AND
Speaker 1: i appreciated.
Speaker 2: That CAN i also tell you, Something, johnna mm, hmmm
Speaker 2: The NITWITZ i didn't realize they were. KNITTING i was.
Speaker 2: NOT i was fully not listening whenever they talked about.
Speaker 2: Knitting and then if they WHICH i get it makes
Speaker 2: sense the name that that's where it came. From but
Speaker 2: then they never talk about nitting. Ever, Again no they.
Speaker 2: Don't they. Don't SO i just was, like, okay they
Speaker 2: call it themselves in it.
Speaker 1: WITH i, mean it made as much sense for that
Speaker 1: to be true as anything else in the.
Speaker 2: Book SO i can't blame. You all, right thank, you
Speaker 2: thank you for not blaming me for.
Speaker 4: That you're.
Speaker 1: WELCOME i hope you can now rest easy and quote
Speaker 1: let out the breath you didn't know you were holding end,
Speaker 1: quote because that's something that comes. Up, yeah three TIMES
Speaker 1: i counted in the, book AND i think that means
Speaker 1: it happened at least six. Times but that's really. Cool
Speaker 1: that's a kind of you, know really original. Dialogue you're
Speaker 1: going to get in this, book AND i, think To sarah's,
Speaker 1: point you can listen to it really fast and it's just.
Speaker 1: Simple it's simple for what you.
Speaker 2: Can miss the first third and it's, okay, okay, yeah
Speaker 2: it easy. Here i'll SAY i Found marcels. Relatable, OKAY
Speaker 2: i like he really didn't like. PEOPLE i like, that
Speaker 2: and he thought they were, stupid AND i found that very. Relatable.
Speaker 1: YEAH i did Like. Marcellus i'm gonna be. HONEST i
Speaker 1: think he could have been more. SURLY i think he
Speaker 1: could have been, funnier for. Sure.
Speaker 2: YEAH i think that's WHY i was so you, know
Speaker 2: almost for, me the book was not funny until. That,
Speaker 2: oh let's cut the shit shell away From marcellus because it.
Speaker 1: Was so unpretty gat in the.
Speaker 2: Book it was very late in the, book BUT i
Speaker 2: was charmed by it BECAUSE i was, LIKE i didn't
Speaker 2: know we were doing.
Speaker 1: Humor, no, No and it was frustrating because there were
Speaker 1: opportunities for, it like this one moment stood out to
Speaker 1: me Where toova hurts herself and she has to leave
Speaker 1: her post for like four weeks And marcellus is, like
Speaker 1: my glass is becoming riddled with. Fingerprints the cleaning woman
Speaker 1: hasn't been in in some. TIME i can only surmise
Speaker 1: that she. Is and, like in my, HEAD i was, like,
Speaker 1: dead ha, ha that's so. Funny that's a funny thing
Speaker 1: for him. Thing but he's, LIKE i can only surmise
Speaker 1: that she has retired and isn't coming. Back those were
Speaker 1: the choices of this book made over and over, again.
Speaker 2: Which, yeah you're, right dead would have been, funnier.
Speaker 1: Watered down version of, This like why didn't the octopus
Speaker 1: eat the dead body Of toba's? Son you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: couldn't we have old?
Speaker 2: Enough, well the ages. Don't it doesn't add. Up she
Speaker 2: would have had to change that a little. Bit, Yeah
Speaker 2: but you know WHAT i? ELSE i liked that there
Speaker 2: was like a cat, that, Yeah tova. Had was it
Speaker 2: just called? CAT i feel like.
Speaker 1: It, Was, yeah it was just called.
Speaker 2: Cat and then she. Moved then she moves AND i
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 3: She just leaves the cat.
Speaker 1: Behind just wondering where you were going with, THIS i was,
Speaker 1: like you like.
Speaker 2: THAT i, Know that's WHY i liked. IT i was, like,
Speaker 2: yeah fuck that. Cat and but then Like marcellus is
Speaker 2: an octopus and he gets like an epic death last.
Speaker 2: HURRAH i like. THAT i like the exposition between the
Speaker 2: two of, those because you, know Very you're, like, Oh,
Speaker 2: tova there's a cat that she was like kind of
Speaker 2: taken care. Of she could have a relationship with this
Speaker 2: cat like she has With. Marcella's but no she does. Not,
Speaker 2: NO i feel like that says a.
Speaker 1: Lot she, like, yeah she lets like she Lets marcellus go,
Speaker 1: free and SO i think something similar with the house.
Speaker 2: Cat, yeah but it didn't Have it wasn't a. Moment
Speaker 2: but there was no. Moment, no there was like an emotional.
Speaker 1: Thing, now BUT i do give a bad. Person thanks
Speaker 1: for pointing that.
Speaker 2: OUT i do like the symbolism With, tova like letting
Speaker 2: go of the octopus as so she's like letting go
Speaker 2: of her the past kind of. Grief YEAH i. DO i.
Speaker 2: DID i did find that. TOUCHING i did like the
Speaker 2: happy ending that the manchild came back and he's there
Speaker 2: and he even got a real, job and.
Speaker 1: And Now tova has a, grandson which is what she always.
Speaker 2: Wanted, yeah she's got basically somebody to take care of
Speaker 2: her if she falls. Again, yeah WHICH i have to tell,
Speaker 2: you that's probably what got to me the most about
Speaker 2: this book is thinking about old people and her fault
Speaker 2: and like our parents and, stuff and being, like, oh
Speaker 2: we gotta be ready to take care of.
Speaker 3: Them, yeah you.
Speaker 2: Know are they sad Because i'm not close to all
Speaker 2: of mine all of all of your in laws are parents,
Speaker 2: stuff all of my many, parents so you, know AS
Speaker 2: i was born in a. Commune but, like, Yeah i'm, like,
Speaker 2: oh or how sad AM i making?
Speaker 1: Them that's kind of, no you're right it. OKAY i
Speaker 1: did have similar thoughts right as you're reading, This you're
Speaker 1: like time comes for us all and, like, yeah, well like,
Speaker 1: DEFINITELY i was, thinking, like, WELL i have room to
Speaker 1: take care of people if they need taken care, of you.
Speaker 2: Know in my.
Speaker 1: House NO i do. Not, NO i do not. Either
Speaker 1: but you know it's like if somebody THAT i love
Speaker 1: really needed, it what WOULD i?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah you think for? Sure, Yeah and like it
Speaker 1: is sad because in the beginning of the, book she's,
Speaker 1: LIKE i have no. One but it's also tough because
Speaker 1: it's like she didn't have a she made the choice
Speaker 1: to have a, child and she planned her life around
Speaker 1: that and always expected that she would have that child
Speaker 1: there for her in old age and you, know maybe,
Speaker 1: grandkids WHICH i think is different than obviously than when
Speaker 1: people make the choice to be childless and there they've
Speaker 1: already imagined their life and they have plans in mind
Speaker 1: for like what.
Speaker 2: It has been thirty years, though you feel, like you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't, KNOW i don't, know maybe it's.
Speaker 1: Fresh, YEAH i think it's still.
Speaker 2: Fair and her husband had died. Recently. Yeah. Yeah it
Speaker 2: also made me, THINK i, MEAN i have two, kids
Speaker 2: BUT i was, LIKE i need to have more kids
Speaker 2: against one of them.
Speaker 1: Dies my God. JESUS i, mean you, know you gotta
Speaker 1: have some.
Speaker 2: Backups you got to have.
Speaker 1: BACKUPS i do you think it's best to have a.
Speaker 1: LOT i don't think your ancestors did.
Speaker 2: It, yeah you, know, YEAH i got that. Back that's
Speaker 2: why there was, like, yeah Like girard and then there'd
Speaker 2: be That gerard would die and then there'd be like Another.
Speaker 2: Gerard be like what is this family? Tree why are
Speaker 2: there Three gerards in this?
Speaker 1: Family because there's one that, worked one that's.
Speaker 2: Yes but uh, yeah kind of was like or just
Speaker 2: that like you could have kids and they COULD i
Speaker 2: feel like just people move more than they used to
Speaker 2: back in the, Day like you, know she's got this
Speaker 2: house where it's like her great grandfather or like her
Speaker 2: dad or, sorry right, whatever it's like the fen in the.
Speaker 2: Family it's like people don't do that. Anymore and it's
Speaker 2: kind of, LIKE i don't, know it's it's like it's,
Speaker 2: sad but it's the way it. Is AND i don't,
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't think it's going back to, that SO
Speaker 2: i don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yes it definitely made me think, like, oh you,
Speaker 1: know there's something nice to this idea that, like like
Speaker 1: my mom lived in the same town that her parents
Speaker 1: lived and my dad stayed in the same, place you,
Speaker 1: know and it is it. IS i THINK i know
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are not in the same
Speaker 1: place as their. Parents i'm not in the same, place,
Speaker 1: Right and it's like you do feel a little bit
Speaker 1: of like guilt or, yeah oh that you, know that
Speaker 1: would be nice to have those same sort of memories
Speaker 1: in that. Proximity but also remember a lot of our
Speaker 1: recent ancestors didn't just move a state. Away they came
Speaker 1: across the ocean from their.
Speaker 3: Family yeah that's.
Speaker 2: True so it's also more like. Them we're not like.
Speaker 1: Them we're more like adventurers setting. Sail BUT i, mean,
Speaker 1: really that's only three generations ago that we're talking about two, Generations,
Speaker 1: yeah one generation for a lot of, People like it's happening.
Speaker 1: Now people are leaving their, friends their, families their, culture
Speaker 1: their whole lives and like starting. Fresh SO i, think you,
Speaker 1: know it feels LIKE i feel like one family will
Speaker 1: get settled somewhere and they might spend a couple of
Speaker 1: generations there and then like usually someone offshoots somewhere, else you. Know,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, too as far away as another city in
Speaker 1: the same. State, Crazy, yeah we're. Crazy isn't that someone
Speaker 1: across the.
Speaker 2: Country, yeah, Yeah but, YEAH i don't, Know SO i
Speaker 2: don't know what's his aunt seemed Like Aunt jean. SUCKED
Speaker 2: i have An Aunt. Jean so, Sorry Aunt. Jean When
Speaker 2: i'm talking About Aunt, Gene i'm not talking about.
Speaker 1: You crazy to take it as, That but, Yes, angie
Speaker 1: we Love Aunt. Jane i've only ever heard great things
Speaker 1: About Aunt.
Speaker 2: Jean daphne is his, mom who abandoned him at age.
Speaker 2: Nine seem to have drug, issues alcohol. ISSUES i had,
Speaker 2: issues probably related to the fact that she's an introvert,
Speaker 2: anyway and she and so he was left with her
Speaker 2: older Her, jean who lives at a trailer par and
Speaker 2: is very proud of her.
Speaker 1: LAWN i don't Think jane was so. BAD i think
Speaker 1: she was a little mean To cameron during one phone,
Speaker 1: call but when he was going to buy her new,
Speaker 1: house and she's, LIKE i, like it didn't.
Speaker 2: Sound like a great parent, though or BUT i guess
Speaker 2: like she wasn't supposed to be a. Parent so can
Speaker 2: you get that mad at her for being a surprised
Speaker 2: you have to be a?
Speaker 1: Parent, Yes and so, okay she was not. Great but
Speaker 1: then he Finds, tova so he doesn't need a gene.
Speaker 1: Anymore he Has, grandma fuck, Aunt, jean Fucking. Jeane she's
Speaker 1: dead to. Us And jean was a little too extroverted
Speaker 1: for this, book so she had to be cut. Out
Speaker 1: she'd be taught a. Lesson, yeah but he Finds.
Speaker 2: Tova but can you talk like this a? Lot did
Speaker 2: you notice? THAT i mean it was like everything he
Speaker 2: was doing was like but come, on and it wasn't my.
Speaker 2: Fault oh, yeah stop talking to me about how to
Speaker 2: put the trash in, right doesn't.
Speaker 1: Matter and it's, like, well you're being trained by your,
Speaker 1: employer who Is, tova who's like the cleaning. Lady SO
Speaker 1: i would, say she does know how to put the
Speaker 1: trash in, right you.
Speaker 2: Don't have to be Disrespe he, yes he. Is he's
Speaker 2: never held a, job and he kept talking about how smarty.
Speaker 2: Is it was actually so. Annoying that was the worst
Speaker 2: part of his.
Speaker 1: CHARACTER i think another thing that bothers me is, like
Speaker 1: So cameron And tova find each other and they're two
Speaker 1: peas in a. Pod they love cleaning glass with a cotton.
Speaker 1: Rag but so when the book gets to have a
Speaker 1: happy ending for that, reason but it's like a sort
Speaker 1: of wish fulfillment happy ending instead of characters that are
Speaker 1: sort of like.
Speaker 2: Shown to be, similar, no, like instead.
Speaker 1: Of characters who create their own. HAPPINESS i feel like
Speaker 1: the book was, like here you, go this impossible thing
Speaker 1: that like you didn't Like, Wow tofa was really, lonely
Speaker 1: and she shows my grandchild and like here we presented.
Speaker 1: One And cameron's lonely and he always wanted to have
Speaker 1: a relationship with his mom and he needs money and more,
Speaker 1: help and it's like here you. Go AND i feel like.
Speaker 2: That's.
Speaker 1: Nice it is, happy and it's very LIKE i guess,
Speaker 1: hollywoody BUT i feel like it would be nice if
Speaker 1: they had been able to find satisfaction fulfillment in the
Speaker 1: things that they had instead of like something that would
Speaker 1: be impossible to actually achieve in real.
Speaker 2: LIFE i guess you mean like a talking. Octopus, no
Speaker 2: the talking octopus is not the. PROBLEM i, mean. OKAY
Speaker 2: i feel Like atova's, character she did have her, development
Speaker 2: like character development at that, age WHICH i feel like
Speaker 2: has to be. Hard you have to be so sad
Speaker 2: in your. Ways, yeah but like the, octopus that's like
Speaker 2: she's like a rule. Follower she's pretty like, dour she's
Speaker 2: pretty like you, know not doesn't want to show, emotions
Speaker 2: and then she like she gets in touch with their.
Speaker 2: Emotions to the, octopus she's like keeps the, same she's
Speaker 2: keeping a secret with the, octopus who like breaks out
Speaker 2: and then, like, uh THE i guess the big moment
Speaker 2: for her, is, Uh cam's like writes a note to
Speaker 2: quit and she.
Speaker 3: Takes.
Speaker 2: It, yeah because she doesn't usually wouldn't usually do Old
Speaker 2: tova wouldn't have done, that but she did. It cameron
Speaker 2: just as stupid and got like angry and started driving
Speaker 2: and lost his phone and then was Like I'm i'm being,
Speaker 2: dumb which he, was and turned around and came, back
Speaker 2: which you knew would.
Speaker 3: Happened, yeah you knew this.
Speaker 1: Book you saw the happy ending coming a mile away
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: Point we knew they. WOULD i was glad they found each,
Speaker 2: other AND i do, agree LIKE i do think it's
Speaker 2: funny the octopus. SERVED i, didn't, OKAY i didn't find
Speaker 2: That tova And cameron seemed, related do you know WHAT i?
Speaker 2: Mean like personality. WISE i wasn't, like, oh that's the
Speaker 2: same type of Thing tova would, say or like there
Speaker 2: was nothing like that that felt like it was just
Speaker 2: the octopus being like they moved. Similarly. Yeah, Yeah and
Speaker 2: THEN i was, like all, right, OCTOPUS i believe. YOU
Speaker 2: i DRESS i hear that.
Speaker 1: Word, YEAH i did not catch it. Myself and ALSO
Speaker 1: i have to admit whatever the octopus first, said like
Speaker 1: there was no question he was her progeny or something like.
Speaker 1: THAT i was, like, well she had another. Kid that
Speaker 1: was WHY i. DIDN'T i was, like, whoa she had another?
Speaker 1: Kid how did she not? Know that's usually on the man's. Side,
Speaker 1: WELL i guess.
Speaker 2: WHAT i did. TOO i did, too BECAUSE i THINK
Speaker 2: i just was like the. TIMELINE i was very. CONFUSED
Speaker 2: i was, like, Hat, wayne when did her kid die
Speaker 2: when is? This?
Speaker 1: Yes how old is?
Speaker 2: This? Guy, LIKE i couldn't follow.
Speaker 1: IT i knew that the sun got boomed in the
Speaker 1: head in the, eighties BUT.
Speaker 2: I was, LIKE i didn't know WHAT i didn't know
Speaker 2: what year we were.
Speaker 1: In, Set, yes, exactly because everything she didn't have an email.
Speaker 2: ADDRESS i was, like this could be said in two.
Speaker 2: THOUSAND i don't.
Speaker 1: Know cameron's just living in the camper and like buying
Speaker 1: a flip phone from SO i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i was just, like, yeah it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Today, YEAH i didn't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't actually know when the book was. SET
Speaker 2: i hope not if they if it was set and
Speaker 2: when it came out twenty twenty, three that's, shocking.
Speaker 1: Certainly by the language. Used it didn't make any.
Speaker 2: Sense that doesn't make any. Sense but that's why math
Speaker 2: was hard for. It that's that's kind of, like by
Speaker 2: being vague and in not making, sense it kept us
Speaker 2: from being, like, hmm Maybe cameron is her. Grandson, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: Guess.
Speaker 1: YEAH i did learn some good octopus facts AND i liked.
Speaker 1: That would you like to share Some, yes the octopus
Speaker 1: has three, hearts one, power. Lungs one power is his
Speaker 1: gills or, something and one powers his, heart which stops
Speaker 1: when he's, swimming which is pretty. Cool the heart one.
Speaker 2: Stops mm, HMMM i liked.
Speaker 1: That i'm more.
Speaker 2: Interested oh my, god, occupy what something really horrible to
Speaker 2: tell you about The Pacific northwest Giant pacific? Octopus, okay they? Grow,
Speaker 2: okay this isn't this first, part Isn't They they are
Speaker 2: over one hundred. Pounds they reach over one hundred pounds
Speaker 2: before me said this is going to really affect, us
Speaker 2: AND i don't. KNOW i wasn't brought. Up females die
Speaker 2: shortly after their eggs, hatch having spent months caring for
Speaker 2: them without.
Speaker 3: Eating, okay that's.
Speaker 1: Why are we glamorizing this. Creature of, course.
Speaker 2: It's so so fucked.
Speaker 1: Unbelievably, literally they are just a vessel to imp and
Speaker 1: once that is, done the, world the earth is done
Speaker 1: with the female.
Speaker 2: Octopuses they give so much that they die because they weren't.
Speaker 1: Eating the male octopus couldn't come by with some, clams.
Speaker 2: Cucumbers she's the mother of your, children who's caring for,
Speaker 2: these these these, eggs these, hatchlings and you're just old or.
Speaker 1: DIED i can't come by with a mollusc that's. Crazy
Speaker 1: it's so. Fucked AND i bet she's working. TOO i
Speaker 1: bet she's. Working she's a full time working mom as.
Speaker 2: WELL i BET i bet where's her maternity? Leave?
Speaker 1: None, god this is so.
Speaker 2: FUCKED i don't. Know i'm Now i'm changing WHEN i
Speaker 2: think Of. Marcellus i'm just here By.
Speaker 1: Marcellus, no he says he never, copulated which was another
Speaker 1: disappointing turn of. PHRASE i was, like you never, Copulated,
Speaker 1: Marcellos so you never, fucked because that's WHY i. THINK
Speaker 1: i wanted to, say that's what we wanted in our,
Speaker 1: heart but this book was too cowardly to call it
Speaker 1: like it. Was, No, Wow marcellis that's really screwed. Up
Speaker 1: he's what an. Asshole that's his, society that's what he wants.
Speaker 2: To, yeah it's weird that there was a female one
Speaker 2: coming and he wasn't, like let me fuck her BEFORE i. Die,
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't. Know maybe that would have been.
Speaker 1: Weird, well maybe too, introverted couldn't say what was on
Speaker 1: his big watermelon.
Speaker 2: Brain yeah it's.
Speaker 1: True, no that's. Horrible you might be, bright but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're a good. Person is What i'm.
Speaker 1: Learning you can be a remarkably bright, creature but you
Speaker 1: can still be a big time. Misogynist did you, say
Speaker 1: did you talk about The?
Speaker 2: Netflix? No, WOW i THOUGHT i thought you were going
Speaker 2: to talk about.
Speaker 1: IT i know? WHY i, mean why do you think
Speaker 1: there was no summary? Done what have they happened? Here?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay because do you know who was? PLAYING i know
Speaker 1: it was, Saying i'm hoping It's Kathy? Bates is It
Speaker 1: Kathy Sally? Field, okay that's a really great. Pick that's a,
Speaker 1: really really really good.
Speaker 2: Pick, Yeah Lewis pullman As. CAMERON i don't know who that.
Speaker 2: Is let's to do a little there's already a, trailer official. Trailer.
Speaker 2: OKAY i don't you look kind of? Familiar BUT i
Speaker 2: don't know what you've been in.
Speaker 1: A News pullman looks really old people Like.
Speaker 2: Cameron he was also In lessons In. Chemistry, yeah he's thirty? Three,
Speaker 2: okay S couch.
Speaker 1: Turns to gold or was already gold before he touched? It?
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't know.
Speaker 1: Anything about, him but you, know all?
Speaker 2: Right? Cool, well anyway that comes? Out when the fuck?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 2: Oh? SORRY i got Lost may, eighth though probably not
Speaker 2: long after this comes out. Director oh my, god this
Speaker 2: is the overlaps are. Crazy the Director's Olivia, newman who
Speaker 2: also Did where The Crawdad sing directed. It, yeah directed.
Speaker 1: It one of my all time least favorite movies That
Speaker 1: i've ever. Seen That, Yes. SABRINA i shot With sabrina
Speaker 1: and she cried in the movie theater AND i got
Speaker 1: more and more. Angry all, right we'll.
Speaker 2: Definitely have to do. Something we'll have to well to
Speaker 2: do a Little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, NO i like it because it's already people
Speaker 1: we've sort of collectively hated, on so it's like we're
Speaker 1: not really. Increasing they just.
Speaker 2: Got together and made another one of. These oh, man
Speaker 2: But Sally, Fields oh my, GOD i wonder what the
Speaker 2: what's the what's the octopus look?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Quickly, yeah what does the octopus look?
Speaker 1: LIKE i like that? Question who Plays?
Speaker 2: Marcellus it's not showing me what it looks like in this.
Speaker 2: Teaser never, Mind, sorry maybe maybe that was. RUDE i don't.
Speaker 2: Know they'll for me to stop and watch.
Speaker 1: It Alfred molina Voices. Marcellus but, no.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna be the. Same should have just got
Speaker 2: the guy who did in the. BOOK i thought he did.
Speaker 1: Good you know would be nice if he was just
Speaker 1: a big, puppet like a big but not like not
Speaker 1: a normal like not a realistic looking, puppet but like
Speaker 1: a cloth muppet puppet For.
Speaker 2: Marcia that Would i'm sure that would really be good
Speaker 2: for the. MOVIE i think he's in this. Animation we'll
Speaker 2: see How we'll see how do they do? It, okay
Speaker 2: we'll see how the effects. Are, well we'll rate it
Speaker 2: on a scale from zero to. Ten all. RIGHT i
Speaker 2: don't have anything else to say about this.
Speaker 1: Book You, no this will be One i'll soon forget
Speaker 1: or maybe, not because sometimes the bad ones really stick with,
Speaker 1: Me like what happened on The Bolean sea or?
Speaker 2: WHATEVER i can't remember what? That you remind me what that?
Speaker 2: Is what happened in the.
Speaker 1: House it was the one with the boy who was
Speaker 1: the Orphan and.
Speaker 2: It's so not getting me. Anywhere Harry, Potter, no it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it, Wasn't Harry. POTTER i want to make Sure
Speaker 1: i'm saying the full title. Correctly house on The Cerulean
Speaker 1: sea was.
Speaker 2: BIKE i can't remember what.
Speaker 1: Bloone it's About Linus, baker who is sent to evaluate
Speaker 1: an orphanage for magical children on a remote, oh.
Speaker 2: Orphanage oh so it is kind Of Harry.
Speaker 1: Potter, cosey, whimsical. Uplifting, okay there's.
Speaker 2: Something there's An antichrist in.
Speaker 1: It, yes one of the children was The antiques because
Speaker 1: he's a. Monster, okay why is this information that's coming
Speaker 1: to you for the first? Time BECAUSE i totally don't.
Speaker 2: REMEMBER i kind, of, like very vaguely remember.
Speaker 1: It it's FUNNY i remember BECAUSE i really really hated that.
Speaker 2: BOOK i got, You, OKAY i got.
Speaker 1: You So i'm. Worried i'm worried that this one is
Speaker 1: going to stick with me, too because of how we'll.
Speaker 2: SEE i do wonder What Sabrina, well we'll find. OUT i, know,
Speaker 2: Sadly chloe's not going to get to. Here sabrina's five
Speaker 2: out of five on. This but maybe we'll be able
Speaker 2: to do the bonus we know she had. One we'll
Speaker 2: do the bonus app and we'll see mm hmmmm. Hmm
Speaker 2: we'll see what she. Says all, right would you give
Speaker 2: an answer as our?
Speaker 1: Author, no it's just, dumb it doesn't, matter all, right
Speaker 1: we would do.
Speaker 2: That we can be we can.
Speaker 1: Just we'll just do she it was it was what fired.
Speaker 1: You she's like watching a video on. YouTube but to be,
Speaker 1: fair there is more to her, answer so okay Good
Speaker 1: reads five star. Reviews sharon, says like other book, REVIEWERS
Speaker 1: i was skeptical about a book we're regarding an. Octopus,
Speaker 1: okay it's so, weird so weird that people are even questioning.
Speaker 1: It BUT i was immediately. Captivated similar to other, REVIEWERS
Speaker 1: i researched octopus, information and they're considered the most highly,
Speaker 1: intelligent the most intelligent of all, invertebrates and they can
Speaker 1: radically alter their body shapes to, squeeze squeeze through small.
Speaker 1: Gaps that's her. Review and, also like from the, Book.
Speaker 2: Sharon sharon was just impressed That shelby did research on the.
Speaker 2: Octopus that was this is apparently a review that's, like,
Speaker 2: look this author did research at octa.
Speaker 1: But Sheriff sharon's research took her to the same place
Speaker 1: as that the book took. US i guess really.
Speaker 2: Cool it wasn't hard to find this. INFORMATION i found
Speaker 2: it quite easily. Myself five.
Speaker 1: Stars it inspired me to learn more of the. Same so.
Speaker 1: Okay liz, said there have been lots of books between
Speaker 1: dogs and cats forming impressive bonds with, humans but this
Speaker 1: is the first that involves an octopus in a Human is?
Speaker 1: IT i don't even know that it.
Speaker 2: IS i DON'T i don't. KNOW i guess we'll look it. Up,
Speaker 2: OH i just remember THAT i did listen to or
Speaker 2: read something where she Said Charlotte's webb was a inspiration
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 1: Book, Okay SO i guess that's another eight legged, creature.
Speaker 2: You. Know.
Speaker 1: Okay and Then Brooke, avaic who's a writer by the,
Speaker 1: way credits herself as an. Author interesting said all caps
Speaker 1: with a combined seventeen exclamation. Marks, brilliant, heartwarming, witty a.
Speaker 1: TRIUMPH i laughed out loud and sobbed my pretty little eyes. Out, Okay,
Speaker 1: BROOKE i would throw myself in front of a two
Speaker 1: ton bus For. MARCELLUS i need a sequel that's the
Speaker 1: same events of this, book just told through the constant
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven stream of conscious pov Of Marcellus.
Speaker 2: Mare MARCELLUS a.
Speaker 1: Triumph toba is more than welcome to have a few
Speaker 1: chapters sprinkled in as. Well cameron could hit this one.
Speaker 1: Out despite the five star served a five star. Review
Speaker 1: In brook's, mind.
Speaker 2: People are fucking horny for this.
Speaker 1: Octopus they, yes thank. You that's what we're getting.
Speaker 2: To they are oct a post.
Speaker 1: And that's a nice full circle moment for the. Episode,
Speaker 1: sarah a word that you find. Funny, yeah so that's
Speaker 1: where we'll leave. YOU i think that's all we.
Speaker 2: Have, okay, yeah, right.
Speaker 4: GREAT i guess we should do our hate, rates though we.
Speaker 3: Should we must.
Speaker 1: Our hate, Rates, OKAY.
Speaker 2: I.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's hard to think of what the most
Speaker 1: annoying number might, Be, chloe BUT i Guess i'll. Try
Speaker 1: i'm going to give it a.
Speaker 2: ONE.
Speaker 1: B isn't that an annoying.
Speaker 2: Number it's not a number, Annoying it's a. One.
Speaker 1: OKAY i feel Like i'm actually coming hard At chloe
Speaker 1: the Podcast No. Clo you're, RIGHT i do pick annoying numbers,
Speaker 1: sometimes but this isn't one of those. Times i'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it a too because.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Bad but it was no house on The Serulian.
Speaker 2: Sea it was no, misery not.
Speaker 1: Misery it was no malice By Daniel. Steele but it
Speaker 1: is just it's poorly. Written. Uh this, AUTHOR i feel,
Speaker 1: like does not have an ear for human. Dialogue maybe
Speaker 1: that was The Pacific northwest is, too is too. UNPOPULATED
Speaker 1: i do appreciate. THAT i Think sarah AND i correct.
Speaker 1: It the whole thing is a giant attack on. Introverts
Speaker 1: they must be. Eradicated, yeah and so it got a
Speaker 1: point for. That finally someone speaks out against the introverts
Speaker 1: for taking over this.
Speaker 2: Country, okay before going into, THIS i THINK i was
Speaker 2: gonna Do i'll be, HONEST i was thinking four out of,
Speaker 2: five BUT i have to BE i. Was the conversation
Speaker 2: did bring up a lot of the issues in a
Speaker 2: way THAT i am going to. Lower i'm going to
Speaker 2: go end up at a three out of five for this.
Speaker 2: BOOK i do think for most normies if you could
Speaker 2: recommend this book, too just like and they would probably like.
Speaker 2: It like they're, like, oh crazy, octopus but it is
Speaker 2: like it's also just a book that deals with some
Speaker 2: grief but like doesn't go too dark and also has
Speaker 2: a happy. Ending, Yeah AND i feel LIKE i get
Speaker 2: people who just might want to just read some books like,
Speaker 2: that might want a nice little palate. CLEANSER i feel
Speaker 2: like that this does it for, you even if you
Speaker 2: know some of The. Cameron the characters are a little,
Speaker 2: unrealistic the humor is not, great but you know THAT
Speaker 2: i don't think this is a humor. Book, really if
Speaker 2: you think this is a funny, BOOK i know what
Speaker 2: You're you're an ormy and this is a book is for,
Speaker 2: You and that's that's really good where we. Are that's.
Speaker 1: TRUE i think it might be an opportunity to discover
Speaker 1: that you're a normy if you read this.
Speaker 2: Book, yeah and that's, okay so FUN i was laughing so.
Speaker 1: Much that's, Okay and that's.
Speaker 4: Okay just.
Speaker 2: YEAH i, MEAN i KNOW i know some. NORMIES i
Speaker 2: know SOME.
Speaker 1: I have some neighbors who are. NORMIES i. DON'T i
Speaker 1: don't have any, friends LIKE i haven't personally befriended, one BUT.
Speaker 2: I THINK i do have a few.
Speaker 1: Guys it's. OKAY i can't say. THIS i have a normy,
Speaker 1: friend do.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah i'll recommend this book to.
Speaker 2: Them oh you get.
Speaker 1: Recommended this book By Sarah. Burton she considers you a.
Speaker 1: Normy whatever that. Means BUT i think we all connect
Speaker 1: what it. Means we know what it.
Speaker 2: Means, JOHNNA i don't know how we're gonna do, well
Speaker 2: fuck her up THE i, MEAN i don't think we've
Speaker 2: ever had an episode where was just two of.
Speaker 1: Us oh, Wow so at first that's really. Cool twenty
Speaker 1: one seasons.
Speaker 2: In, okay, Wow, OKAY.
Speaker 1: I know it's not.
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i, GUESS i Guess i'm gonna have to, Say,
Speaker 2: Johanna uh, Okay i'm gonna say you're the little fucker
Speaker 2: of the cast because you didn't even do any research
Speaker 2: on the. Adaptation and probably the biggest thing is you
Speaker 2: try to Blame sabrina for the. Summary now BE.
Speaker 1: I do Blame sabrina for the summary not being. Here
Speaker 1: we all have, Jobs, Sabrina we're all. WORKING i hope she.
Speaker 1: LISTENS i Hope meg listens and reports back the little.
Speaker 3: Tack can?
Speaker 1: It can it Be? Sabrina?
Speaker 2: No, oh you know what a Fuck you've already go
Speaker 2: to mess that.
Speaker 1: Up yeah, yeah, Okay so my little fucker since we
Speaker 1: realized it could Be sabrina Is. Sarah BECAUSE i really
Speaker 1: feel like you could have known that and done, that
Speaker 1: and instead you chose an attack on. Me who Is i'd, say.
Speaker 2: Like a very loyal.
Speaker 1: Friend, okay we put in we put in a lot of,
Speaker 1: energy you and me like we're, yeah we're putting in the. Work,
Speaker 1: okay we're always like for, real always read.
Speaker 2: It, always we'll make.
Speaker 1: It we'll make. It let's just a quick. Reminder we're recording. Tonight,
Speaker 1: oh is anybody gonna do the? Outline and, okay and
Speaker 1: instead of the, outline you did the. Outline, yeah instead of,
Speaker 1: SOLIDARITY i did that line even THOUGH i got on
Speaker 1: the wrong train on my way home to, work added
Speaker 1: longer time to my commut in a panicked, moment got
Speaker 1: on the wrong. Train, okay you came for me AND i.
Speaker 1: Will don't forget. That, okay and it cuts.
Speaker 2: Deep so you're my little, fucker, okay all, Right well
Speaker 2: it sounds like we both tied for both the little
Speaker 2: fucker of the.
Speaker 1: CAST i.
Speaker 2: Guess let me put that in, here put it in For.
Speaker 1: Blake m.
Speaker 2: Hm. Yeah it is kind Of the sad part about
Speaker 2: Little fucker is we can't it really it, really it's
Speaker 2: just rips us apart at the, end you, know when
Speaker 2: a time when we might be feeling and so we
Speaker 2: were were on the same. Page, finally it's just no
Speaker 2: rip that. Page you know.
Speaker 1: What it panizes people who attend the most as well
Speaker 1: who book. Most you and, me because we had john
Speaker 1: opportunities to be little. Fucker and and.
Speaker 2: Let's remember this for the next time there is another person.
Speaker 1: Perhaps an, alliance an unholy elias created In john And
Speaker 1: sarah after, Dark.
Speaker 2: Like let's just see listen built the. Check next episode
Speaker 2: will be? Alliance will it?
Speaker 1: STAND i MEAN i could see myself, crumbling like if
Speaker 1: you do something that really Wants BUT i like this
Speaker 1: alliance AND i feel, like, well like let's. TRY i
Speaker 1: feel like we have to be sneaky about it, Too
Speaker 1: like it can't be like we have an. Alliance it
Speaker 1: has to be like like. Independently we both realized it was,
Speaker 1: like no matter what.
Speaker 2: You, say even if it's SOMETHING i wouldn't usually, Support
Speaker 2: i'll like come up with a reason WHY i support.
Speaker 1: IT i might have. TO i will say, this if
Speaker 1: you say something that really annoys, ME i may have
Speaker 1: to kind of comment it on it in the little
Speaker 1: fucker section and say something LIKE i almost voted For,
Speaker 1: sarah AND i want you to know on a personal
Speaker 1: level that that means THAT i am actually voting for
Speaker 1: you in my. Heart that just the alliance, Science so
Speaker 1: you hear, that know that you're actually the little. Fucker
Speaker 1: but for, Optics, OKAY i like. It we'll see how
Speaker 1: long it. LASTS i like?
Speaker 2: It all? Right? What? Uh? OKAY i guess we should Say, patreon,
Speaker 2: please uh patron of the mean, arts follow us on
Speaker 2: our socials and, Also, Johnna i'm just realizing because we
Speaker 2: recorded out of order or what book are we? Saying
Speaker 2: is next next?
Speaker 1: Week tune in for The secret Of secrets By Dan.
Speaker 1: Brown all, right all, right.
Speaker 2: WELL i guess that's. It we'll see you next, time
Speaker 2: right right right bye bye