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<v Speaker 1>Well Whiskey Coming from power Line blog dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Ricochet dot com. This is the three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and

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<v Speaker 1>power Lines International Woman of Mystery Lucretia Gotta give in

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<v Speaker 1>that whiskey floon where you're feeling in loud.

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<v Speaker 2>Down and lod. Welcome everybody to the too Whiskey Happy Hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's just two whiskey officionados on the podcast. We

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<v Speaker 2>are against Steve heywardless because Steve has yet to return

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<v Speaker 2>from his foreign travels abroad it so it's just Lucretia

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<v Speaker 2>and I getting back to basics. How you doing, Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing well?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Jo? How about you? And do you think Steve's

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<v Speaker 3>over there smoking pot or you know, doing some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of heroin derivative or something. Isn't that what Amsterdam used

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<v Speaker 3>to be famous for? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>For those of those not following Steve's travels, Steve is

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<v Speaker 2>such a millennial. He takes pictures of everywhere he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know exactly where he is at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now he's in Amsterdam and posting his Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>and posting photos of him eating, drinking, falling into the canals.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually love Amsterdam, but I've not been there in

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<v Speaker 2>a while. I love to see. I spent the summer

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<v Speaker 2>there teaching at the Free University of Amsterdam, which actually

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<v Speaker 2>will get us into a topic we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about at the end, because you might ask, why is

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<v Speaker 2>it called the Free University of Amsterdam. There's also a

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<v Speaker 2>University of Amsterdam. There was also a Free University of Berlin,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a university but there's This is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>interesting gets to a topic we're talking about in our

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy corner at the end, because Lucretia has posted an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting paper up on substack which raises the question about

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<v Speaker 2>natural rights and what is freedom, so which you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that at the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm looking forward. What do you got before me

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<v Speaker 3>for then? What have you got for me before then?

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<v Speaker 2>So we got a number of really interesting topics to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this week. I mean, the hits never stopped coming.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think one thing we might talk about would

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<v Speaker 2>be the second assassination attempt on President Trump. We hosted

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<v Speaker 2>our last episode right before on Saturday of last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and the second assassination TEP was on Sunday, I recall

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<v Speaker 2>this is a fellow who was scoping out President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>at his golf course actually managed to lie and wait

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<v Speaker 2>for eleven hours with an AK forty seven style assault rifle,

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<v Speaker 2>a rifle he doesn't get a shut off. Apparently the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service saw him and shot at him. Somehow got

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<v Speaker 2>into you know, a Nissan, and drove took off on

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<v Speaker 2>the highway and wasn't captured till afterwards. So, Lucretia, what

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<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts about this second assassination attempt of what

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<v Speaker 2>is going on with the Secret Service? This is Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that there I've read a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are raising doubts about whether the Biden administration is

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<v Speaker 2>actually providing this, saying the sufficient amount of coverage and

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<v Speaker 2>protection to their main incumb of their main challenger, who

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<v Speaker 2>they also accuse of being an existential threat to democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's I don't even know where to start with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Since we're not live this time, John, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>on my designer Cowboy Tinfolk Cowboy Head America, but I

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<v Speaker 3>actually do have some I don't even think their conspiracy

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracy facts. I think that they're just a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>hard to square with everything that's going on in the

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<v Speaker 3>first place. Did you know John that both Routh Ruth?

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<v Speaker 3>However you say his name, I can never remember bad

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<v Speaker 3>people's names. I remember yours. John that he and Crooks,

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<v Speaker 3>Crooks was the first assassin, were both pro Ukrainian. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's no big deal. There's a lot of people like that.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk in a moment about the second guy's extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with Ukraine. But they were both in blackrock videos.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>It is true. I've seen the videos, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>those things can be faked, but I've seen them from

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<v Speaker 3>multiple sources. So yes, they were both in the first one.

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<v Speaker 3>The first guy, Crooks, they came to his high school

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<v Speaker 3>a promotional video. And then the second one was a

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<v Speaker 3>pro Ukrainian video, and Ruth featured prominently in that video

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<v Speaker 3>as well. The other thing is is that people have said, again,

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<v Speaker 3>that the mainstream media is ignoring them makes me think

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<v Speaker 3>it's true, because otherwise they'd be trying to debunk it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's shown up at more than one of Kamalama ding

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<v Speaker 3>Dong's rallies being busted in by the campaign, which I'm

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<v Speaker 3>assuming you know that one too, That approximately five thousand

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<v Speaker 3>cell phones have been traced to both the Arizona kam

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<v Speaker 3>Lama ding Dong rally and the Georgia one, And so

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is obsessed with crowd size, right, So anyway, so

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<v Speaker 3>do think that the more interesting thing about the second

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<v Speaker 3>assassination is how this guy, who is a pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>a nutjob. I mean, there's no doubt about that. He

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<v Speaker 3>just seems nutty, Nuttia's heck, but one of those smarter

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<v Speaker 3>than average nutty guys who has delusions of grandeur. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually had to get an investigation FBI investigation of a professor,

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<v Speaker 3>an adjunct professor that someone encouraged me to hire that

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<v Speaker 3>turned out to be just as nutty as this guy,

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<v Speaker 3>but with respect to China anyway, so I'm familiar with

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<v Speaker 3>the type, you know, promises everything, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy, though, traveled to Ukraine on no apparent means,

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<v Speaker 3>and he builds little houses, cheap little houses, and that

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<v Speaker 3>went under no apparent means, has something like a fifty

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<v Speaker 3>page rap sheet in North Carolina before he moved to Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 3>was among other things, indicted and charged, I think, convicted

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<v Speaker 3>of having a weapon of mass destruction. They haven't told

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<v Speaker 3>us what that is, but it's just some serious, serious

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of flags. And he's never been stopped flying back

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<v Speaker 3>fourth from Hawaii, excuse me, or flying into Ukraine, meeting

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<v Speaker 3>with Ukrainian officials. All of that's really really suspicious to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I am one of those people who don't who believes

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<v Speaker 3>that there is no such thing as a coincidence, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't know what to make of all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought maybe some of our listeners out there

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<v Speaker 3>do know. They've had more time to follow it than

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<v Speaker 3>I have. But yeah, the guy's just fishy as hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to your The thing about the first assassination. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing I find the most objectionable about the whole report

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<v Speaker 3>on the Butler assassination attempt is how what's his name? Roe?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it Roe? Is he the guy that's ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the Secret Service, Yes, the acting head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, acting head, how he's willing to throw his people

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<v Speaker 3>under the bus and say it's all their fault, which

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose you have to do, because if you took

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<v Speaker 3>any kind of while this was I was responsible, I

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<v Speaker 3>should resign Da da da da da. Then people would

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<v Speaker 3>start saying, oh, why were you responsible? Why did this

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<v Speaker 3>go all the way to the top, and exactly why

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't you the most prestigious protection federal protection company in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, what I know, what you call it, three

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<v Speaker 3>letter agency, whatever you call it, can't protect a guy

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<v Speaker 3>on a golf course, can't protect a guy in a

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<v Speaker 3>rally by just sweeping the perimeter within easy line of

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<v Speaker 3>sight to where he's speaking. All of those things are hard,

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<v Speaker 3>hard for me to even swallow. So I'll let you comment,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll let you undo my conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 2>John Well, one thing is you start to wonder about

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<v Speaker 2>the basic competence of the Secret Service. You know, they say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a golf course, hard to cover. They don't have drones,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have dogs. I mean, I bet the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 2>could have found the guy right like, just using a

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<v Speaker 2>few cheap drones and cameras. You know, it actually raises

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<v Speaker 2>a question for me. I think I mentioned in the

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<v Speaker 2>last episode was why isn't the military in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service? You know, why are we using people

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<v Speaker 2>who are probably you know, they are domestic law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>officers when you know, the military obviously has to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with protecting assets and people all the time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think probably are much better at this than the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Service right now. So this is sort of on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground question when it comes to he says the other

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<v Speaker 2>and then the other comment I had was way at

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<v Speaker 2>the other end, which I thought you were going to address,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, even if there's no artists in bias or

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<v Speaker 2>partisanship going on in how the administration is allocating resources

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<v Speaker 2>of the Secret Service, I think it's a fair thing

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<v Speaker 2>to say they're rhetoric is contributing to the spikes and

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<v Speaker 2>political violence. I mean, these are President Biden says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>political violence has no place in the United States. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, he has called Donald Trump an

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<v Speaker 2>existential threat to democracy. Existential means right ending the existence

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<v Speaker 2>of democracy in the United States. And if you keep

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<v Speaker 2>using language like that, just as by the way, we

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<v Speaker 2>also saw someone arrested for threatening to assassinate Supreme Court justices.

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<v Speaker 2>Although it sounds like this was an old guy in

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska who was posting crazy things on the Supreme Court's

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<v Speaker 2>website or something, so it was easy to track him

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<v Speaker 2>down and he didn't actually do But if you also

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<v Speaker 2>fill the airwaves with attacks after attack on justices and

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court, you're going to encourage some people, crazy

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<v Speaker 2>people to want to carry out assassination attempts. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing I thought is notable here that you have

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<v Speaker 2>two assassinations times and you have the administration Democrats claiming

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<v Speaker 2>there should be no place for pol govins. But they're

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who are amping up the rhetoric that might

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<v Speaker 3>I never forget actually blaming Trump for it, blaming because

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<v Speaker 3>Trump supposedly made the comments about our dear little cats

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<v Speaker 3>and dogs in Springfield, Ohio, which supposedly led it turns

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<v Speaker 3>out not to have been true, but supposedly led to

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<v Speaker 3>bomb threats. And they were called in from overseas Russia, Russia, Russia,

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<v Speaker 3>who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 3>No credibility to them whatsoever. Yet, who is that guy?

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<v Speaker 3>I can see his face on CBS. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>is who Lester Holt who came out and said it's

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's fault for making those unfounded accusations and getting people

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<v Speaker 3>all riled up about immigrants. So what does he expect

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<v Speaker 3>is going to happen? It's ye believe it or not. John,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little bit hesitant to jump to that. I

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<v Speaker 3>get that there are nut jobs out there, and being

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<v Speaker 3>a leftist automatically means that you are a ideological, rabid hack.

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<v Speaker 3>Rabid ideological hack I think makes more sense in order

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<v Speaker 3>to believe any of that stuff to begin with. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I do think that they appeal to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the mentally unstable aspect of society because of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the resentment that's part of leftist lore and all those

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<v Speaker 3>other things. So when the left makes comments like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a threat to democracy, he's the next Hitler. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>why wouldn't you, if you're a little bit crazy, want

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<v Speaker 3>to assassinate Trump. You'd certainly want to go back and

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<v Speaker 3>assassinate Hitler. Right, That's that's the argument I am not.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not quite of the opinion that we hold

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<v Speaker 3>either side accountable for the things that they say and

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<v Speaker 3>the third order effects of those things. I get the argument.

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<v Speaker 3>I find it a little bit stretched. That guy is

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for it. That guy's responsible for his stupid ideas

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<v Speaker 3>about everything that he goes along with, including supporting Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>are we conceding the silence is violence and speaking is

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<v Speaker 3>I actually agree with you, but I'm going to play

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<v Speaker 3>devil's advocate a little bit here. What do you think,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh who? I would never say that they should be

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<v Speaker 2>in any way legally punished or anything like that for

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<v Speaker 2>these kinds of over the top statements about Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>being a threat to democracy. But you know this is

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<v Speaker 2>from the party that says, it's defending democracy. This is

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<v Speaker 2>yet their actions are destabilizing, and you would think that

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<v Speaker 2>responsible manner. It actually reminds me in some ways of

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<v Speaker 2>Kambala Harris's conduct at the debate. I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>And are you really stress?

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<v Speaker 2>I am? I expect better?

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<v Speaker 3>You do well, remember what Steve always says, I'll have

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<v Speaker 3>to at least quote Steve quoting the same thing over

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<v Speaker 3>And that is, if the left had no stand or

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<v Speaker 3>because I agree with everything you said. The problem is

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<v Speaker 3>what they do, all of those things that we know

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<v Speaker 3>on the three Whisky Happy Hour along with this lovely

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<v Speaker 3>glass of McCallan I have here and try to get

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<v Speaker 3>more people to pay attention to the fact that they're

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<v Speaker 3>lying to us every day. There was a great article

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<v Speaker 3>really quickly by your friends, the American Mind publication out

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<v Speaker 3>of Claremont that listed listed all of the hoaxes that

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<v Speaker 3>mean the list is like twenty five things long, and

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<v Speaker 3>some of them are pretty serious. You know. They include

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<v Speaker 3>I should probably ask Steve to post that, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing how much we have been treated to lies, dissembling,

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<v Speaker 3>gas lighting, disingenuousness. I don't know any you know, just

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<v Speaker 3>outright just disgusting, despicable, corrupt lies from the left because

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<v Speaker 3>that's how they get what they want. They convince enough

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<v Speaker 3>of those people in the middle. And by the way, John,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't know who you're voting for now, you

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<v Speaker 3>are by definition a low information voter and probably shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 3>But those are the people the left targets with these lies.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I am sitting right now in Pennsylvania, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful experience because it's the only time I get

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<v Speaker 2>to watch campaign ads. I got to say, I think

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<v Speaker 2>when I was telling you guys last time, when I

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<v Speaker 2>was here for the APSA meeting two weeks ago, that

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<v Speaker 2>Harris had the better as in Trump. But how the

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<v Speaker 2>ads have completely changed in quality. The Trump ads are

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<v Speaker 2>really good. And you know whose ads are even better.

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<v Speaker 2>McCormick is the guy who's running for Senate against Bob Casey.

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<v Speaker 2>His ads are even better than Trump's. He is tying

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Casey, the incumbent Senate Democrats here, to Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>so tightly, and then it's a great Every ad on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio I hear is just three quotes from Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one is, of course, I would ban fracking.

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<v Speaker 2>The second one is, we're you know, we're spending too

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<v Speaker 2>much on police. We should study the structural racist origins

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<v Speaker 2>of policing. I mean, it's me. They just they have

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<v Speaker 2>identified the quotes and then they say, and now here's

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<v Speaker 2>her position allegedly, and it's just thirty seconds and they

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<v Speaker 2>play it whit And you know, Harris's ads are have

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<v Speaker 2>no substance to them. It's really interesting, Really, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the ads are really turned around. But as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>the latest polls show forty eight to forty eight here

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<v Speaker 2>in Pennsylvania. How can you not have it? How can

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<v Speaker 2>it be so even it's unbelievable. But before you before Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 2>let me stop you there. We got to take a

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<v Speaker 2>hear what you think about what's going on Pennsylvania. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to throw at you. You just mentioned Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Russia RuSHA welcome back everybody to our second post, second

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<v Speaker 2>have Lucretia and John minus Steve Hayward. So right before

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<v Speaker 2>we rite, right before the break, I was telling Lucretia

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<v Speaker 2>what's like to see campaign ads in Pennsylvania, and following

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<v Speaker 2>up on her point that how could anyone not have

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion between these two? By now you should be

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<v Speaker 2>you're by definition a low information voter. Yet Pennsylvania is

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight to forty eight percent. It's evenly tied according

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<v Speaker 3>No, well, okay, I don't trust the Washington Post, but

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<v Speaker 3>there are others like, yeah, slightly more respectable polls. It

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<v Speaker 3>still have it very very close across the board in

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<v Speaker 3>the battleground state. It's a popular voute. The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll reiterate my point from before that because of shy

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<v Speaker 3>in picking the sample and so on, that that Trump

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<v Speaker 3>tends to outperform the polls. Has outperformed the polls in

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<v Speaker 3>every single race he's been in. So I do think

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<v Speaker 3>that if the polls stay the way they are Kamalahamma

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<v Speaker 3>Kamalama Dingong is loses, right. I think she loses in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>If the polls. If the polls show them tied, that

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<v Speaker 2>means Trump probably means.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's probably going to win. What one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that's very frustrating to a lot of us. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot pretend, even for a moment to understand the

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<v Speaker 3>average voter. I'll just put it that way, don't I

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<v Speaker 3>don't people who do who are like us, who do

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<v Speaker 3>I am in awe of because I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand the rabid leftists a little bit anyway. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>leave it at that. But last week, as you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The.

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<v Speaker 3>Teamsters came out and refused, for the first time ever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm to understand, right, refuse to endorse the Democratic candidate

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<v Speaker 3>for president. How much they have the fortunes of the

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<v Speaker 3>Democratic Party changed if that could happen. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's just because she's Kamalama ding Dong and she's worthless.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's because they couldn't possibly endorse Trump. But

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<v Speaker 3>even the leaders have to understand to some extent that

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is better for the working class than Kamalama ding Dong.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they have to. They have, you know, from

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<v Speaker 3>so many different metrics. I don't know if the leaders

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<v Speaker 3>themselves have come to that conclusion, but they can't completely

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<v Speaker 3>ignore the polls they've taken of their own union members.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty percent. Sixty percent of union members now support Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>That has to be a reality in places like Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 3>John doesn't it, Or Wisconsin or Michigan or some of

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<v Speaker 3>the southern states that aren't right to work states. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania is a funny state because it is for much

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<v Speaker 2>of the state is a Midwestern manufacturing state. Obviously, railroads,

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<v Speaker 2>oil and steel were a big part of the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the state. But it has this humongous liberal blue

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<v Speaker 2>spot in it called Philadelphia my hometown, which is more

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<v Speaker 2>like is a Northeast corridor city, and so it's more

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<v Speaker 2>like Washington, Baltimore, New York, and Boston. And it used

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<v Speaker 2>to always be the joke that, you know, the election

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<v Speaker 2>officials in Philadelphia would wait to see the returns from

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the state before they figured out how

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<v Speaker 2>many right, how many smokes they needed to produce a listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Did everybody catch that? It used to be a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's reality. That's what he was supposed to finish

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<v Speaker 3>that sentence with, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you're on me like you're on me like a

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<v Speaker 2>trial lawyer across examination, my hand on a bible and

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<v Speaker 3>I had a frustrating experience yesterday, I'll leave it at that,

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<v Speaker 3>and ended up having to be in a long car

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<v Speaker 3>ride with nothing to do but look at X and

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<v Speaker 3>any of my followers, and X probably thought what the

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<v Speaker 3>heck happened to her? Because I was just live it

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<v Speaker 3>about everything that came across my feed. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to try to be a little more calm today, not

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<v Speaker 3>be quite as hard on you as I might otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm grateful to X and grateful for long car rides

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<v Speaker 3>Got out of my system. I'll give you one really

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<v Speaker 3>quick example before we go back to the top of

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<v Speaker 3>get hand, and there was a picture of Clarence Thomas,

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<v Speaker 3>Justice Thomas next to his brand new RV. Looks all

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<v Speaker 3>you actually see him is in the one of the pianels.

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<v Speaker 3>He's standing on the ground one of the panels to

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't pay that much attention. But Jen Rubin and

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<v Speaker 3>all these other slime balls, who paid for this? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he can buy a brand new RV after he went

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<v Speaker 3>out and destroyed women. Is killing women and leaving them,

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<v Speaker 3>leaving their children without a mother because of his decision

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<v Speaker 3>in Roe versus Wade. It was these people, John, these people,

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<v Speaker 3>So Jen Rubin says, who paid for this? And I said,

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<v Speaker 3>the US Constitution right, And then somebody came back and

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<v Speaker 3>If you can explain to me where there is a

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<v Speaker 3>then then tell me where it is, because it's not there,

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<v Speaker 3>and you should shut up, you ignorant and fanticide moron.

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<v Speaker 3>Give you some example of.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you were typing on? X? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize we were getting the censored version of

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're just you're getting the calmer version. Back

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<v Speaker 2>Dong, that's not that I was going to let me

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<v Speaker 2>ask you about that. Kamalama ding Dong was her her

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<v Speaker 2>appearance on Oprah, Because let me just throw that onto

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<v Speaker 2>the fire there. Since you're about to talk about her

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, what did you think of her?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to know what I said about Oprah either,

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<v Speaker 3>because about oh yeah, anyway, so here she has what

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<v Speaker 3>has to be the most ideal conditions, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>handpicked audience, Oprah, who as we all know, is responsible

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<v Speaker 3>for giving us a mama now putting her primiture upon

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris, and even Oprah is just looking at her

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<v Speaker 3>and disbelieve how that excuse my language? Hell? Can you

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<v Speaker 3>say something so god awful stupid in response to a

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<v Speaker 3>simple question asking you about policy. I have none of

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<v Speaker 3>the quotes because I refuse to repeat them. Let's just

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<v Speaker 3>say your aspirations and my dreams, John, they're elusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if she was trying to win your

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<v Speaker 2>vote though, because she said she has a gun and

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<v Speaker 2>she would shoot someone who came into her house, I thought, no,

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<v Speaker 2>join the speech writing.

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<v Speaker 3>To no person who owns a gun would ever say that. Honestly,

435
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<v Speaker 3>it would put you in so much trouble. I would

436
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<v Speaker 3>never say that. First of all, if somebody comes in

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<v Speaker 3>my house and I have to use a gun on them,

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<v Speaker 3>it's because they're doing something bad enough to kill them.

439
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<v Speaker 3>You don't point guns up people for no reason. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>You know who is she? Try to pretend she's yeah tough,

441
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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris. Let's see some Let's see some pictures of you,

442
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<v Speaker 3>some video of you at the shooting range with your smithon.

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<v Speaker 3>Was in three point fifty seven uh, with a group

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<v Speaker 3>this big at thirty yards. Let's just see that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't see that, folks, but it's like an inch long.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, I think we've just heard Lucretia challenge Kamala Harris

447
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<v Speaker 2>to a shooting range head to head matchup. I don't

448
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<v Speaker 2>think it would be close, frankly, but I would want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure both contestants had lots of kevlar on

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<v Speaker 2>when they went.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, but you can't stop me

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<v Speaker 3>from a headshot. No, you don't want to do range.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is the thing I mean. I I

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<v Speaker 2>what struck me was if a conservative candidate said something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, people would be all over him or her

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<v Speaker 2>for a sec. Oh wait, you would check first to

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<v Speaker 2>see if it was a mistake, if they were actually

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<v Speaker 2>a threat to you, you would to shoot them right

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<v Speaker 2>away without any provocation. I mean you would. Actually when

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of cases happened, you see lots of demands

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<v Speaker 2>on the left for gun control. Yes, they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to they want to get rid of the castle doctrine,

463
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<v Speaker 2>which is the yably. Yes, Tama Harris say this, it

464
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<v Speaker 2>seems like utter vote pandering because I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>believes this, or.

466
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<v Speaker 3>No, she doesn't. But I also thought that her her

467
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<v Speaker 3>follow up comment was rather interesting. It reminded me of Biden.

468
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<v Speaker 3>My staff will have to take care of this for me,

469
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<v Speaker 3>so I can be a bring that idiot my predecessor was,

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll just count on the fact that I've got

471
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<v Speaker 3>this gas lighting disingenuous. I got to come up with

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<v Speaker 3>new adjectives to on staff that will cover up and

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<v Speaker 3>lie about everything I say so that it gets the

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<v Speaker 3>best possible play in the media, and then the media

475
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<v Speaker 3>will go right along with it. Yeah, you're absolutely right

476
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<v Speaker 3>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I part problem was the thing I thought also about

478
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<v Speaker 2>the interview there. Really but I'm just like, put aside

479
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<v Speaker 2>the word salads and the circular logic and the never

480
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<v Speaker 2>addressing real policies. You know, she's been asked every interview now,

481
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<v Speaker 2>even the most friendly interviews. Right, She's asked about inflation,

482
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<v Speaker 2>and she still has no answer other than saying, I'm

483
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<v Speaker 2>from a middle class family. Although it's weird to have

484
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<v Speaker 2>a middle class family where both parents are PhDs. But anyway,

485
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<v Speaker 2>if that's a middle class family, but she says, I'm

486
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<v Speaker 2>from a middle class family. Yeah, two PhD parents in

487
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<v Speaker 2>Berkeley and then Canada. Uh but yeah, but well, in Berkeley,

488
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<v Speaker 2>mowing your lawn you have to move the homeless people

489
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<v Speaker 2>off the lawn first. I wonder how they achieve that.

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<v Speaker 3>And my sense of Berkeley is that there's no law

491
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<v Speaker 3>bigger than a postage stamp.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, not her neighborhood. I know where she lives. I

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<v Speaker 2>live but here. But here's the point, is that still

494
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 2>she's got this. She has this quandary. Is she's in

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<v Speaker 2>office for four years while the inflation occurred. She signed

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<v Speaker 2>the Inflation Reduction Act, which was like pouring gasoline on

497
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<v Speaker 2>the burning economy and making inflation worse through fiscal expansion.

498
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<v Speaker 2>And yet she's saying she's gonna make things better somehow,

499
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<v Speaker 2>although she won't say how, except for stimulating the economy

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<v Speaker 2>even more I suppose. So she is a problem because

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<v Speaker 2>she can't really attack the policies that created the inflation,

502
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>but she has to distance herself somehow from it, and

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't seem to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>No one would think she should do one of two things.

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<v Speaker 3>She should own it, own her past leftist policy positions,

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<v Speaker 3>own it, justify them, and so on. We know that

507
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<v Speaker 3>we can't that she can't do that. It wouldn't work

508
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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania, as you pointed out, if it wasn't fracking,

509
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<v Speaker 3>it would be all sorts of the other positions. It's like,

510
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<v Speaker 3>is everybody in Pennsylvania, excuse me, going to drive an EV?

511
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on, in The only thing worse than

512
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<v Speaker 3>driving an EV in the absolute heat of summer in

513
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<v Speaker 3>Phoenix is driving an EV in the cold of Philadelphia

514
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<v Speaker 3>in the winter. I mean, people aren't going to buy

515
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<v Speaker 3>that stupid car.

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00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I frankly no, thank god, I got a pickup trucks.

517
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so every you know, defund the police. Now there

518
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<v Speaker 3>might be a small section of Philadelphia, like you say,

519
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 3>that's in favor of that. That her record on that

520
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>is so clear, and this pretend attempt to be a prosecutor.

521
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<v Speaker 3>If you dig down even a quarter of an inch

522
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<v Speaker 3>deep into her record as a prosecutor, it is at

523
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<v Speaker 3>best a mixed bag. It does not make her a

524
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<v Speaker 3>tough on crime prosecutor, but it makes her a tough

525
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<v Speaker 3>on all the marginalized communities that she supposedly supports. And

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<v Speaker 3>then on the other hand, you know, she's the champion

527
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<v Speaker 3>of MS thirteen gangs and you know, we could go

528
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 3>on and on my point is okay, So she can't

529
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<v Speaker 3>own up to her leftist past. How does she get

530
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<v Speaker 3>away with just saying yeah, I don't do that anymore, because,

531
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.960
<v Speaker 3>as Bernie said, I gotta be pragmatic if I'm gonna win.

532
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 3>And everybody knows what she's going to go back to.

533
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.039
<v Speaker 3>And how are they so stupid that they like I

534
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 3>can't I can't wrap my head around it. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you have the media, I suppose it's a little bit easier.

536
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm told, however, that even the media is getting a

537
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 3>little tired of it. That seems some of them, you know,

538
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<v Speaker 3>And when when our friends at ABC were so humiliated,

539
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 3>and I guess ABC's ratings have completely tanked, which is

540
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 3>odd to me because why would you be watching ABC

541
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<v Speaker 3>in the first place. If you didn't already realize what

542
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<v Speaker 3>a biased, shall we say, a pro democratic party organization

543
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.799
<v Speaker 3>it is. But all of these things are mysteries to me, John,

544
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<v Speaker 3>I want.

545
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<v Speaker 2>To I expect you to clear them. Well, here's one

546
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 2>other interesting angle about the again, just going from spending

547
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 2>time in Philly.

548
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.359
<v Speaker 4>Now, is.

549
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Uh the negative ads against Trump? You don't hear any

550
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>of this anymore, you know, threat to democracy, business. You

551
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>never see anything about January sixth. It's all about abortion.

552
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Every negative ad I see that the Harris campaign is running.

553
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Is he ended Roe versus Wade. He's proud of ending

554
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Roe versus Wade. And that's it. Nothing about the economy,

555
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing about immigration, you know, all those things that he trusted.

556
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<v Speaker 2>That she tried to attack Trump for the debate go

557
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>unmentions all about And Pennsylvania is a weird state to

558
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<v Speaker 2>try to make the election about abortion, because this is

559
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<v Speaker 2>a state that used to have very prominent pro life Democrats,

560
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<v Speaker 2>Like his father is not pro life. I think he

561
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>started out pro life, but he hasn't his father. Yeah, yeah,

562
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<v Speaker 2>it's not his father, Bob Casey, the father who he's

563
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 2>the defendant of plant parad versus Casey back in ninety

564
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<v Speaker 2>two because he signed and supported a very restrictive abortion

565
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 2>law in Pennsylvania. I mean, much of the state is

566
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<v Speaker 2>her life because it's a very religious Outside of Philadelphia,

567
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.159
<v Speaker 2>it's a very religious, agricultural state still in many way

568
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>very rural and culture.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like you, but when we come back, I

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00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 3>do want to ask you a quick question. And again

571
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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to ambush you, because I didn't tell

572
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 3>you I wanted to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, being ambushed by Lucretia is a real pleasure. I

574
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<v Speaker 2>have no problems with it. Let's take another commercial break,

575
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>and when we come back, we'll walk right into that ambush. Okay, Well,

576
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>before Lucretia springs ambush on us, you all probably know

577
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 2>the Marine Corps tactic for responding to an ambush, which

578
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<v Speaker 2>is to guess, keep going forward and go through the ambush.

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<v Speaker 3>And I imagine you will on this one, however, go ahead.

580
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 3>So it came out this week. Then, in fact, Trump

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<v Speaker 3>did ask for National Guard protection of the Capitol on

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<v Speaker 3>January sixth. I forget exactly the words I had somewhere

583
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<v Speaker 3>now I can't find it. Said, you know that there

584
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<v Speaker 3>could be some disturbance on January sixth and that we

585
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 3>should bring in the National Guard, and that it was

586
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<v Speaker 3>in fact that slimeball trader Millie, Ryan McCarthy and others

587
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<v Speaker 3>who said no and thwarted the effort to bring in

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<v Speaker 3>the National Guard because they were afraid of the optics

589
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:55.519
<v Speaker 3>of it. But what that means is, I think, you know,

590
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot to be said for all of the

591
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 3>side things going on and should merely be tried for treason,

592
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 3>absolutely tried and hung by the neck until dead. That's

593
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>my pleasure for Milly. But but the fact that Trump

594
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<v Speaker 3>would have called in the National Garden was thwarted by

595
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 3>his own people, to me, is a pretty clear indication

596
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>that he certainly never intended anything like an insurrection. And yeah,

597
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 3>and the evidence about that was completely suppressed by the

598
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 3>January sixth Committee at the time. And then, of course,

599
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 3>as you recall, they destroyed all of their evidence in

600
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 3>violation of the law, and we can't go back and

601
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 3>look at a bunch of it. But anyway, the story's

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<v Speaker 3>going on just that alone. If you're the president of

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, you recognize that you have followers who

604
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 3>are very very upset. Maybe you've made them more upset

605
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 3>you're somewhat responsible for that, but very upset about what

606
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 3>they feel like was and what they think. There is

607
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 3>evidence for stolen election, true or not true. And you

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<v Speaker 3>call in the National Guard to make sure that everything

609
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 3>goes peacefully and so on, and your own people and

610
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Nancy Pelosi thwart that order and keep it from happening.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's this whole timeline with Ryan McCarthy disappearing, and

612
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.920
<v Speaker 3>you know that any orders to bring in the National

613
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<v Speaker 3>Guard right into the city around the Capitol had to

614
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>come from him, and then he disappeared and was no

615
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.400
<v Speaker 3>comms for like eight hours or something. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>all this. I don't know what to make of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But isn't that in and of itself, if not proof

618
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 3>of a conspiracy on the Nancy Pelosi Millie Ryan McCarthy side,

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<v Speaker 3>at least proof that Trump is not complicit in planning

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<v Speaker 3>an insurrection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I've never been persuaded that he committed

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<v Speaker 2>an insurrection conspired to commit it. You know, I actually

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<v Speaker 2>supported the second impeachment, although I didn't think he should

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<v Speaker 2>be convicted because I thought he was derelict in his

625
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>duty of protecting the Capitol. But that was based on

626
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<v Speaker 2>the facts which seemed to be contradicted by this report.

627
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<v Speaker 2>So I'd want to see more. I mean, if Trump

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<v Speaker 2>actually had called out the National Guard and then people

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<v Speaker 2>in the military chain of command refused to carry out

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<v Speaker 2>the order, then you know, they have committed a violation

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<v Speaker 2>of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the ideal

632
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<v Speaker 2>of civilian control over the military. But this is the

633
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<v Speaker 2>first I've heard of it, you know, I didn't. For example,

634
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<v Speaker 2>when President Trump was putting on a defense to the impeachment,

635
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<v Speaker 2>his lawyers never said that this had happened. You know,

636
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<v Speaker 2>they you know, there was a very rushed, i think

637
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:01.199
<v Speaker 2>haphazard investigation in the first place. But trump selawyers never,

638
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<v Speaker 2>as far as I remember, made the argument that he

639
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<v Speaker 2>had actually factually called out the National Guard and that

640
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the military leadership have refused to carry out

641
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the order. If that's true, that's a very serious right,

642
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 2>that's a very serious I mean that that's unconstitutional, right.

643
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the president gives But I want to know what.

644
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<v Speaker 2>I would want to see more it happened, because that

645
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<v Speaker 2>was that would be incredible actually.

646
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Reporting on it. It's obviously not showing up in the

647
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Washington Post, and and I'm going to be frank with

648
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 3>you about this after Dan, rather, you know, putting together

649
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 3>that fake uh document for George Bush and doing which.

650
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<v Speaker 2>By the way, put power line, put power line on

651
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<v Speaker 2>the map in the mak.

652
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I mean that was before we had AI,

653
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 3>that was before we had Adobe Edit. And so the

654
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 3>idea that just producing a document in and of itself

655
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<v Speaker 3>is proof of something I don't even know where we

656
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 3>go with that anymore, but there are there is documentation

657
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>about that, the transcripts from phone calls and so on,

658
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 3>that supposedly prove that. I won't try to prove it

659
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<v Speaker 3>to you today because I'm obviously not a position.

660
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<v Speaker 1>To do so.

661
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's really important to know if this

662
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<v Speaker 2>is true, because, as you say, it would directly undermine

663
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<v Speaker 2>this idea, right that the Trump actually wanted there to

664
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<v Speaker 2>be an attack on the Capitol, but would undermine my

665
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 2>view that I think he was just derelict, you know, negligent,

666
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 2>just sitting apparently for hours in the West Wing but

667
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.760
<v Speaker 2>not in the personal residence, but not calling out the

668
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<v Speaker 2>National Guard, and then the real fault would lie with

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<v Speaker 2>the military. Gosh. I mean, if this is true, Trump

670
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<v Speaker 2>should be saying you know, yelling this from the right

671
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 2>from the tree tops. But I don't think he was

672
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 2>responsible for the insurrection anyway. I mean, I don't think

673
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>it was an insurrection, and there was a ricket. I mean,

674
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 2>the most incompetent insurrection in the history of insurrections. Yeah,

675
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:03.840
<v Speaker 2>all the.

676
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.639
<v Speaker 3>People with guns couldn't manage to overthrow a few capitol police.

677
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean yeah, I mean they got the January

678
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 2>sixth investigation and prosecution. They don't have they I'm still

679
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 2>waiting to see any evidence linking him actually to the

680
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>attack other than that speech on the ellipse, and that's

681
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 2>not enough in my mind. I thought they would have more.

682
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you actually handled that ambush pretty darn well. I

683
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 3>have to tell you.

684
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>That's not a real accretiate ambush. You were too nice

685
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>about it and warned me although there's so many things

686
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you could attack me about. I wasn't sure which direction.

687
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 3>And again, I you know, sometimes you're absolutely right. Sometimes

688
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 3>these things make a big splash and then they turn

689
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 3>out not to have the evidence behind him, or they

690
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 3>make a big splash and the evidence is suppressed.

691
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Or or or you know.

692
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<v Speaker 3>So I'm always I'm always hesitant to make too much

693
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 3>of it. I of course have never thought it was

694
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 3>an insurrection, but and I've always thought that the Justice

695
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Department was complicit in it. I am not forcing you

696
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:08.519
<v Speaker 3>to concede that point to me today. That's I guess today.

697
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I noticed she said today, And I think our.

698
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<v Speaker 3>Listeners will probably be gratified to know that you have

699
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 3>somewhat changed your opinion about that based on, if not

700
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 3>the evidence non evidence I produced today, the other development

701
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 3>since January sixth that have caused you to kind of

702
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 3>look back on it and say, maybe this shouldn't have

703
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.840
<v Speaker 3>happened the way it did. And so I don't want

704
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 3>to put words in your mouth, but my fans will

705
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.599
<v Speaker 3>be happier with you today.

706
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know what I exactly if I've changed

707
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>positions on it, but I have been disappointed in the

708
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Justice Department. They've not lived up to their public rhetoric

709
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 2>about the case. I do think there should have been

710
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 2>and was an investigation, but I haven't seen anything. I

711
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>have not seen public facts that would justify charges against

712
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 2>President Trump. That's uh, so the Justice Apartment failed. If so,

713
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 2>they should have done the investigation, and then so we're

714
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 2>not charging them because we can't make out these charges otherwise.

715
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>But then the real fault I think then is to

716
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.519
<v Speaker 2>this goes back to the political writer point. Is the

717
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>real fault then is for the president and the vice

718
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 2>president and the Turney General would run around calling Trump

719
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>excessential through democracy and an insurrectionists when they're not willing

720
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>to charge them with it in court because they can't

721
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>prove it. That's really a serious violation of the norms

722
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 2>in our country, has been for a long time. Anyway,

723
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.519
<v Speaker 2>one more issue before we talk about your interesting paper,

724
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>which is I love Lucretia's name for this. She wanted

725
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to talk about Operation grim Beeper. Yeah, so you know,

726
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>while while we're talking about the secret services inability to

727
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>use even drones to check the perimeter of golf course,

728
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Israel pulls off one of the great high tech intelligence

729
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 2>operations that we know of in public for a long time.

730
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Although they've in history, although there's a number of them,

731
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 2>there's that they've been successful, and we already forget that

732
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>they stole the Iranian nuclear weapons archive a few years ago,

733
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:22.320
<v Speaker 2>like the whole thing, and have of course assassinated leaders

734
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.239
<v Speaker 2>of Hezbollah and Hamas in places like Iranian governments, you know,

735
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 2>safe houses or but this is really one of the

736
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>greatest ones. This, of course, I'm sure everybody knows, but

737
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 2>the Israel allegedly managed to introduce explosive beepers into the

738
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Hesbelah supply chain because Hesbela knows that Israel can't intercept

739
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>their cell phone communications, so that they're using a beeper network.

740
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>And so hundreds and hundreds of these exploded at the

741
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 2>same time and killed a few, but seems have injured

742
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of Hesbola leaders and operatives. Then when Hesbula switched

743
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>to walkie talkies, those blew up too. And then just

744
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 2>most recently, Israel pinpointed the location of the military leaders

745
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>of hesbal some of their highest military commanders, and killed

746
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:22.599
<v Speaker 2>them all in a strike just recently. What I mean

747
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 2>this is we're seeing no incredible use of technology to combat,

748
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 2>to conduct war, while our own government seems incapablehi of

749
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 2>using the most basic technology to protect the leaders of

750
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>our country.

751
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>So mister Lucretia, when he was America's Q actually explained

752
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 3>to me early that morning, the first morning when it happened,

753
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 3>exactly how the technology worked. And you know, being missus Lucretia,

754
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I of course immediately dismissed what he said, and you

755
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.599
<v Speaker 3>never believe what your husband says. And it turned out

756
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 3>that what he said was absolutely true.

757
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Tell us what the tell us the insights?

758
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you think I can remember, But the technology was

759
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 3>actually developed in his lab a long time ago, a

760
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 3>long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And back when people used peepers, probably.

762
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<v Speaker 3>Could people use beeper. It's actually a battery technology, which

763
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 3>is why it was you know, and the whole idea

764
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 3>that you can quite easily in today's world disrupt the

765
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 3>supply chain and move things in and out of it

766
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:30.320
<v Speaker 3>without anybody knowing.

767
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so I noticed this company that made the beepers,

768
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 2>allegedly was in Budapest. And I might add that I

769
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 2>noticed that you delivered your paper that we're going to

770
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 2>talk about. But that's how you do an ambush, Lucretia.

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00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm also told that the original company that produced them,

772
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 3>which means that they would have produced the the the trigger,

773
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 3>shall we say, is a is Israeli shell company. And

774
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 3>so what you actually have is Hesbela buying these beepers

775
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:10.960
<v Speaker 3>after an incredible psychological operation, just with after the cell

776
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 3>phone business and whatever Hesbela leader. They killed that to

777
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 3>get them to buy beepers. I mean, this has to

778
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 3>be some amazing planning going on as a safer way

779
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 3>of communicating and then buying these beepers and distributing in them.

780
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 3>And it was an Israeli company, a shell company that

781
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 3>produced and might have been in Budapest. I saw that too.

782
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 3>But not only did they get the maime and otherwise

783
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 3>harm the terrorists with these exploding beepers, they got the

784
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 3>Hesbela to have to pay for them to the Israelis.

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00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 2>That's right, they had. They were apparently, I mean, to

786
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>maintain their front. They were making perfectly legitimate beepers too,

787
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.559
<v Speaker 2>and selling those two people or the right to become

788
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 2>a legitimate seller in the marketplace until they got this contract.

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<v Speaker 3>So what the way you described it was too. The

790
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 3>sequence of events was absolutely right. What you didn't highlight,

791
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.760
<v Speaker 3>which I think is in some ways the most interesting

792
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.760
<v Speaker 3>are the actually the the second and third order effects

793
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.360
<v Speaker 3>of this. And so let's talk about the second order effect,

794
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 3>and that's the psychological one that's kind of gotten a

795
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 3>lot of a lot of play. You know the fact

796
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<v Speaker 3>that you're, uh, you're blowing up beepers in guys pockets.

797
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, do hes blot people wear pockets, but

798
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<v Speaker 3>for whatever reason.

799
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.159
<v Speaker 2>They're probably they probably carry man purses.

800
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Man purses around their waist. Whatever the explanation for that is,

801
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 3>it seemed to have done an extraordinary amount of damage

802
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Speaker 3>to an extraordinary number of terrorists around the Genitalia. I'll

803
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 3>just leave it at that, and that in and of itself, yeah,

804
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 3>I know, just kind of makes sure that in and

805
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of itself, in Muslim culture, terrorist culture, whatever you want

806
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 3>to call it, is more devastating than being killed. You know,

807
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 3>it's you can't go visit your seventy two virgins just

808
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<v Speaker 3>if you got your genitalia blown off. You have to

809
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<v Speaker 3>be a martyr to do that, right, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Christians in this point, I hate to say this, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you study the economics of war, isn't it actually

812
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<v Speaker 2>better to inflict casualties by wounding the enemy rather than

813
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<v Speaker 2>killing them?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Outright, well, but more so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think in that culture, John, more so, because you know,

817
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.800
<v Speaker 3>it's very much I hate this word, that macho, kind

818
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 3>of manly culture that you know, these guys walking around

819
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.559
<v Speaker 3>now maimed for life wherever they were maimed are less

820
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 3>able as as you know, warriors whatever you want to

821
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<v Speaker 3>call it to be.

822
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<v Speaker 2>Although they conduct war by you know, trying to kill

823
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.760
<v Speaker 2>civilians and women and children. I mean, you're right that

824
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<v Speaker 2>culture might be that way, but the way they conduct

825
00:49:58.760 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>wars actually I think.

826
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<v Speaker 3>But actually actually think they kill women and children because

827
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<v Speaker 3>they don't consider them valuable, you know, I mean we

828
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<v Speaker 3>see that all the time with the Palestinians. They're willing

829
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<v Speaker 3>to use their children as human shields. So you have

830
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<v Speaker 3>that whole psychological thing, and and the fact that they

831
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<v Speaker 3>did it and then they did it again, and then

832
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<v Speaker 3>they tried to fix it, and then they did it again.

833
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<v Speaker 3>The Israelis did it to them again, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they killed off the whole bunch of Hesballa leaders because

835
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<v Speaker 3>they got together they didn't want to trust any more

836
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<v Speaker 3>communications devices, and then they had a very targeted strike

837
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:37.239
<v Speaker 3>against them. I mean, all that's that's just absolutely wonderful

838
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion. But there's one other thing that happened

839
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 3>too as a result of sending out those beepers. Because

840
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 3>once they once they were activated, they already could start

841
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:56.280
<v Speaker 3>putting together a network of known terrorists. And then once

842
00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 3>the Uh, once the damn was done and they went

843
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 3>to hospitals, they could also uh do Lincoln Palate pattern

844
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 3>analysis on on their families, on on their associates. So

845
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 3>the amount of intel that they were able to garner

846
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 3>as a result of the the pagers and the walkie talkies,

847
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 3>uh is more invaluable than I'll ever understand. But so

848
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, you gotta love the Israelis. You got to,

849
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 3>and then you've got to really despise those people. I

850
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 3>guess you expect it from Rashida to leave in AOC,

851
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 3>but those people on the left who are just so weak, Oh,

852
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 3>how could you do this? You know, this is just

853
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 3>how could you celebrate this kind of violence? I celebrated

854
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 3>it with a lot of drinks. I will just tell

855
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 3>you that right now, I was, I was having fun.

856
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.559
<v Speaker 2>We're not at the Babylon Bee part of the show,

857
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>but there was one headline that said it was so funny,

858
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 2>said Rashida to leave safe and unharmed after big Ber explodes.

859
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Yet it was very funny.

860
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 3>It was funny. Remind just remind that our listeners, what

861
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:17.840
<v Speaker 3>a horrible excuse for human beings and ORGANI human organization

862
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.480
<v Speaker 3>has bala is and all of the innocence that they've killed,

863
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 3>and I could list it.

864
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I operate primarily by attacking innocence. That's my the thing

865
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>they're not. You said, they have a masculine culture, but

866
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:35.880
<v Speaker 2>they're not a civilized warrior culture in the sense that civilizations.

867
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.639
<v Speaker 2>The warrior ethos is not to attack innocence to fight

868
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:45.239
<v Speaker 2>other combatants. The one thing I came away with from

869
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 2>the Beeverything to carry your point further is what does

870
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 2>it mean Israel's up to? And so one thing I'm

871
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 2>glad is it shows that they're not listening to the

872
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Biden administration. Yes, the Biden administration wants the fighting in

873
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Gaza to end, doesn't want there to be any conflict

874
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 2>along the Lebanon border. And it seems see what Israel

875
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>is doing is what makes sense. They're closing out Gaza,

876
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, not closing out, but they're finishing the war

877
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 2>or drawing down the war against the moss and Gaza

878
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 2>where they conducted the war. I think, you know, with

879
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.039
<v Speaker 2>all due effectiveness, but they realize the real problem is

880
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Hesbelah to the north. And it seems to me, you

881
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 2>attack the leadership of Hesbelah before you're about to do

882
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>something else, And so I imagine this means that there's

883
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 2>going to be some kind of broader offensive against Hesbela,

884
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.599
<v Speaker 2>that Israel will take advantage now of the disorder they've

885
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>sown in their ranks and take the war to them,

886
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.639
<v Speaker 2>which makes complete sense to me, I think, and then

887
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 2>remove those two great threats on its border.

888
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.599
<v Speaker 3>And then let's never forget that we don't necessarily have

889
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 3>to be sending them foreign aid and arms and those

890
00:53:58.079 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 3>sorts of things. Don't want to get into that debate

891
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 3>right now, but even my anti Neocon friends are actually

892
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.320
<v Speaker 3>cheering on Israel and all of this in part because

893
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.039
<v Speaker 3>the Biden administration did have no part in it.

894
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But if anything, they've they've given billions of dollars to Iran,

895
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>which has turned around and right funnel the money to

896
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 2>La and Hamas.

897
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.920
<v Speaker 3>My best tweet of the day was the other day

898
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 3>that it was Biden administration gives one billion dollars to Iran,

899
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:33.320
<v Speaker 3>who gives it to Hesbalah, who uses it to buy

900
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 3>a beepers, who uses it to Da Da Da Da da.

901
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 3>A great day for Jake Sullivan. Jake Sullivan, this was

902
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 3>one of those Uh.

903
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 2>This is a sad thing to say, but I think

904
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 2>we will look back on all of these people, Jake Sullivan,

905
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Blink and Austin as maybe the most incompetent national security

906
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>staff we have had since Parl Harbor. I mean this

907
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.960
<v Speaker 2>has been an otter design. I mean Carter looks good

908
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.360
<v Speaker 2>compared to this, right, I mean this has been a disaster,

909
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and all those leaders are I think, are going to

910
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>go down in history as having done a terrible, terrible

911
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 2>job for the United States. So but short and incompetent.

912
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Only, if only if the globalist perspective doesn't end up

913
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:30.880
<v Speaker 3>writing history. Remember, they're happy about the fact that the

914
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 3>United States is waning in international influence. They don't want

915
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 3>any hegemone to be on top. They want they want equilibrium,

916
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:47.639
<v Speaker 3>and not just equilibrium amongst the superpowers, but the third

917
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.000
<v Speaker 3>world countries third world I won't use the word countries.

918
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 3>They want to make sure that prosperous capitalist countries suffer

919
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:04.880
<v Speaker 3>so that third world countries. I don't know, I guess

920
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.840
<v Speaker 3>if our suffering helps that third world countries do better,

921
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.639
<v Speaker 3>or at least there's a relative equality if you bring

922
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:12.920
<v Speaker 3>us all down to the bottom. I'm not really sure

923
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:17.159
<v Speaker 3>how their thinking works, but we know that from Obama on.

924
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Obama thinks that the United States is not exceptional, and

925
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing about the United States that means it ought

926
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.559
<v Speaker 3>to be a leader of the free world. So when

927
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.519
<v Speaker 3>you say in competent, I agree, but they don't see

928
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 3>it as incompetence.

929
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 2>You know what. That is a great segue to our

930
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 2>last topic, actually, isn't it. So let's take our last

931
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 2>commercial break here, and when we come back, we will

932
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about Lucretia's recent posting, which I will set up

933
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 2>because I was independently asking her about questions I've been

934
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 2>coming to during my own reading about these issues. So

935
00:56:52.039 --> 00:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>when we come back, I heard everybody. Our last segment

936
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 2>is going to be on a paper that Lucretia posted

937
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 2>while she was setting up shell beeper companies in Hungary.

938
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 2>So while she was in Hungary, we don't know why

939
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>she delivered a paper which Steve has posted on the

940
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 2>substack page associated with power line. Is that where we

941
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 2>think it's hours Okay, you and Steve have your own substack.

942
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, but you excluded.

943
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:28.639
<v Speaker 3>You are always welcome.

944
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 2>But in all seriousness though, that's whorrified. But Steve has

945
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 2>got to post it to the show notes too, because

946
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was really interesting. And the background to this, everybody,

947
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.199
<v Speaker 2>is that Lucretia, Steve and I are going to be

948
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>teaching a class at Berkeley and October on constitutional interpretation,

949
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.679
<v Speaker 2>and one of the big issues is this resurgence of

950
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>what's called common good constitutionalism, which rejects the idea of

951
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 2>small l liberalism, which is, I think, as I understand

952
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.360
<v Speaker 2>as I would describe its small liberalism, I think begins

953
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.719
<v Speaker 2>with the idea that the legitimacy of our government begins

954
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 2>with consent. And so it's consent to the Constitution which

955
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:14.719
<v Speaker 2>gives the constitutional government legitimacy. It's also why we enforce

956
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 2>the Constitution and not just whatever we feel like.

957
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.679
<v Speaker 3>Doing today, So which is common law to me John, But.

958
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's not here to exactly. So that's the question

959
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I was coming to.

960
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Was.

961
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:36.320
<v Speaker 2>So this critique by one of my really good friends,

962
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Adrian Vermuil, a really very thoughtful guy, but a bunch

963
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>of others too, argues that liberalism has been a failure

964
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 2>and that instead of following the pure original understanding of

965
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the Constitution, which he claims may be unknowable, we should

966
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:00.320
<v Speaker 2>be enforcing policies and rules that provide for the common good.

967
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.760
<v Speaker 2>So I asked Lucretia, just by chance, you know, I've

968
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 2>been doing this reading what is the source of political

969
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 2>legitimacy for people who don't we're not liberals, small liberals

970
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>who don't believe that government comes about because of individual consent.

971
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 2>And I guess in fact, I was asking what was

972
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 2>the theory of political legitimacy for the governments before the

973
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:25.679
<v Speaker 2>idea of the social contract came along, before Hobbes and

974
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Locke came along and built the idea of government based

975
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 2>on consent. Because I couldn't really figure out reading the

976
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:39.039
<v Speaker 2>common good constitutionalism stuff, where where it comes from, where

977
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.400
<v Speaker 2>political legitimacy comes from? Well and so, and actually Lucretia

978
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:46.000
<v Speaker 2>then said, I have a paper about this, but it's only.

979
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Partially an answer to your question, John, because your question

980
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 3>also asks, you know, where did it come from prior

981
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 3>to social contract theory? And also where does it come

982
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 3>from now if you reject social contract theory.

983
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>So the simple as this could be two different answers.

984
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for prior to social contract theory is religion. I mean,

985
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 3>it's not the entire explanation of it, but from the

986
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:19.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, that from prior to the b C. I

987
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.840
<v Speaker 3>guess you'd call it prior to the birth of Christ,

988
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.119
<v Speaker 3>or the take over.

989
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Under the Roman gods, under the Roman gods.

990
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 3>The Greek gods, even all of those barbarians out there

991
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 3>fighting against the Israelis and in Canaan, and you know,

992
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.039
<v Speaker 3>all of those people, the gods of the city were

993
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.239
<v Speaker 3>the were the ruling forces of the city, and gave

994
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.639
<v Speaker 3>legitimacy to the laws. And so that if you were

995
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:52.440
<v Speaker 3>a citizen, excuse me, in one of those ancient cities,

996
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 3>your piety was being a good we might say today

997
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.000
<v Speaker 3>a patriot. Better way to put it is you obey

998
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 3>the laws, You're being highest because the laws had their

999
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 3>legitimacy and something greater than human beings. When Christianity comes along,

1000
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 3>it complicates the issue a bit because in the ancient

1001
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 3>days you had the gods of the cities, gods plural cities, plurals.

1002
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Each city had its own, each state whatever you want

1003
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 3>to call it, had its own gods. But if your

1004
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.519
<v Speaker 3>god was defeated in battle, then you know, the other

1005
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 3>city took you over and you had to adopt their gods.

1006
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.320
<v Speaker 3>And so, okay, Christianity comes along, it it's just.

1007
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Kind of like the divine right of kings. Take the

1008
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.519
<v Speaker 2>right of king's part out, but it's still divine the

1009
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.599
<v Speaker 2>regency comes from.

1010
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.800
<v Speaker 3>But what you said is very important because post Christianity,

1011
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.360
<v Speaker 3>what you would the primary source, at least in the

1012
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Western world is in fact the divine right of kings

1013
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:58.679
<v Speaker 3>and the king. That's why you know, uh succession was

1014
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:03.039
<v Speaker 3>so important what it still is in those places.

1015
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:04.880
<v Speaker 2>There the fight between the popes and the kings was

1016
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a poorb So who's in charge.

1017
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.599
<v Speaker 3>The pope or the king? Because you have divided loyalties now,

1018
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:16.320
<v Speaker 3>your piety to your God is to the Christian universal God,

1019
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 3>that's everybody's God. Everybody can be saved now as opposed

1020
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 3>to you know, in the Hebrew Bible, the God had

1021
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 3>his chosen people, and with the advent of Christianity and

1022
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:32.119
<v Speaker 3>with the Roman Empire carrying it essentially over the world,

1023
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 3>you now have divided loyalty between your God and your

1024
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:41.920
<v Speaker 3>eternal salvation. And here, the here and now makes it

1025
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:48.679
<v Speaker 3>very difficult to establish any kind of sovereignty for for

1026
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:56.360
<v Speaker 3>a leader, a ruler without some kind of divine justification

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01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.719
<v Speaker 3>tied to it. Shall we say so? The reason that

1028
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 3>Hobbes first, and then Locke.

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01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh can I answer before we get to Hobbs and Lock,

1030
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.400
<v Speaker 2>so before we get to them, because he doesn't come

1031
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 2>up with social contract theory. But Machiavelli is very critical

1032
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 2>of Christianity for right trying to put up set up

1033
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.039
<v Speaker 2>as an ideal these virtues you can't really achieve and

1034
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.800
<v Speaker 2>actually produce a kind of weakness that invites other city

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01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:27.039
<v Speaker 2>states to take advantage of you and you so so

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01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 2>many who are not good political legitimacy come for him

1037
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:33.840
<v Speaker 2>because he's very modern, right people off in the you

1038
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.440
<v Speaker 2>know Harvey Manster that thinks of him as the first

1039
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:40.079
<v Speaker 2>modern political philosopher, but he's pre social contract theory.

1040
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.079
<v Speaker 3>Machiavelli is an interesting case because he looks around and

1041
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:50.679
<v Speaker 3>he sees the weakness, as you say, of political authorities.

1042
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.079
<v Speaker 3>He sees the strength of the popes. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of interesting stuff about the popes and Machiavelli, but basically

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<v Speaker 3>his argument is this, you cannot be a Christian, a

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01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Christian or even in some ways an ancient philosophy ruler,

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01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.159
<v Speaker 3>because you'll try to do what is good, what is

1047
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 3>the right thing to do. You'll try to follow justice,

1048
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.840
<v Speaker 3>and in the real world those things basically don't exist.

1049
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 3>And as he puts it, anyone who he who tries

1050
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 3>to do what is good for the sake of good,

1051
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:28.960
<v Speaker 3>comes amongst so many who are evil, comes to ruin.

1052
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:33.599
<v Speaker 3>So Machiavelli is the ultimate the ends justify the means.

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01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:37.039
<v Speaker 3>But he provides that sort of an end of the wedge,

1054
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 3>camel's nose under the tent, whatever lame metaphor you want,

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01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 3>or the separation of the church from the authority of

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01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:52.840
<v Speaker 3>the state. We don't have anything like separation of church

1057
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.719
<v Speaker 3>and state, as we find in the American regime at

1058
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:59.880
<v Speaker 3>this point. But once of Machiavelli unhinges the authority of

1059
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.400
<v Speaker 3>the pope from the authority of the state in theory,

1060
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Hobbes comes along and he sees that what Machiavelli was

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01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.159
<v Speaker 3>so worried about. He sees these civil wars. He sees

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01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 3>these wars on the continent that are destructive, They create

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01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Speaker 3>massive instability. And so Hobbes has this, and I make

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01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:22.760
<v Speaker 3>this very quick, has this theory of the social contract,

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01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:28.760
<v Speaker 3>which is based upon this radical humanity, excuse me, radical

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01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:35.079
<v Speaker 3>equality of humanity. We are so absolutely fundamentally equal in

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01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 3>the important respects. Because we are all at risk of

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01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:46.519
<v Speaker 3>a violent death, and the most compelling human motivation is

1069
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 3>fear of violent death. No other motivation, feeling, thinking, anything

1070
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 3>comes close. So we agree we form this social contract

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01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.280
<v Speaker 3>under Hobbes. Because remember Hobbs says that before or we

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01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.119
<v Speaker 3>have a social contract in the state of nature. The

1073
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:08.440
<v Speaker 3>state of nature is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

1074
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Why would anybody want to stay there? So, because we

1075
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 3>all fear violent death, we come together in this social contract.

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01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.400
<v Speaker 3>We agree to give up all of those rights that

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01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.880
<v Speaker 3>are ours by nature because of our radical equality. No

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01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:26.119
<v Speaker 3>person has any rights over anyone else, any authority over

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01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.320
<v Speaker 3>anyone else. We're all our own rulers. But we give

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01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:34.199
<v Speaker 3>up that exercise in order for peace and security in Hobbes,

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01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 3>and we set up over us ourselves a sovereign or

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01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.679
<v Speaker 3>a leviathan. And there is no appeal in Hobbes. This

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01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 3>is the important part. Without a long lecture on Hobbs,

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01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:51.079
<v Speaker 3>there is no appeal from the sovereign. Everything the sovereign

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01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:55.639
<v Speaker 3>does is by definition just so we've gone from Machiavelli,

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01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 3>who said, oh, you can't really do what's try to

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01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:02.119
<v Speaker 3>do what's just when everybody's able to definition of justice

1088
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:04.760
<v Speaker 3>is what the sovereign does. So Locke comes along and

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01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:07.960
<v Speaker 3>he moderates that a bit. I guess you could say

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01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.840
<v Speaker 3>one place in. Locke says the state of war is

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01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.840
<v Speaker 3>so far from the state of nature that they're not

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01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:20.280
<v Speaker 3>even the same thing, and that the law of nature

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01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 3>is written on the hearts of man, so we are

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01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:28.559
<v Speaker 3>not motivated entirely and completely by fear of violent death.

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01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.239
<v Speaker 3>According to Locke, we have the law of nature written

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01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:34.079
<v Speaker 3>on our hearts. We know what's right and wrong, we

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01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.800
<v Speaker 3>know what the golden rule is. The problem is that

1098
01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 3>our rationality is often undermined, shall we say, by our feelings,

1099
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.400
<v Speaker 3>by our passions, And so even though we have the

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01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.840
<v Speaker 3>law of nature written in our hearts, we are often

1101
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:55.199
<v Speaker 3>faulty in our application of it. And that's why we

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01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:58.039
<v Speaker 3>need a social contract. Not because the state of nature

1103
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:01.320
<v Speaker 3>is solitary, poornessy and short, but it's just not the

1104
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.280
<v Speaker 3>best place for us, so we rationally decide to form

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01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:08.159
<v Speaker 3>a social contract. The outcome of that that makes it

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01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 3>different from Hobbes is that the sovereign is no longer

1107
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.880
<v Speaker 3>all powerful and completely in charge, shall we say, There

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01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.079
<v Speaker 3>is an appeal from the sovereign. The social contract remains

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01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 3>the most important part of my ruling myself, and agreeing

1110
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:28.239
<v Speaker 3>with you that your ruling yourself will give up some

1111
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.159
<v Speaker 3>exercise of our rights in order to have better security

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01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:36.000
<v Speaker 3>for all of our rights. Our founding fathers adopted the

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01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Lockeand point of view. Okay, not the absolute sovereign, the

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01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:42.239
<v Speaker 3>leviathan of Hobbes, but.

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01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:48.600
<v Speaker 2>The social constitutional government. Yes, exactly, and so what happens

1116
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 2>when religion disappears as the source. But you also reject

1117
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 2>social contract theory. That's what this sort of new conservative

1118
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.359
<v Speaker 2>attack on cost two government. Right, So we're used to

1119
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the left, you mentioned it earlier. The leftist attack on

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01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:09.399
<v Speaker 2>the constitution is it's a colonialist of pressers sticking it

1121
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to the weak. Why should we respect the outcomes of

1122
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.520
<v Speaker 2>the constitution is all done by racist slaveholders, and they're

1123
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:20.199
<v Speaker 2>sympathizers anyway. But now we have this new critique from

1124
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:25.920
<v Speaker 2>conservatives who reject social contract theory. You know, the Benthamer

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01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Mills individualistic nonsense on stilt social contract. There's never historically

1126
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.520
<v Speaker 2>any state of nature, there was never any meeting, there

1127
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.680
<v Speaker 2>was never any entry into a social compact. It's all

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01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:42.800
<v Speaker 2>just an artifice. So there that's the utilitarian criticism. So

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01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.359
<v Speaker 2>they adopt some of that, but these people are not utilitarians.

1130
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:50.960
<v Speaker 2>They are right, we reject individualism and the autonomy idea

1131
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:54.279
<v Speaker 2>underlying the social contract idea. But I have a hard

1132
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 2>time wondering where their theory of political legitimacy comes from

1133
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:02.319
<v Speaker 2>because they don't make it openly one based in religion either.

1134
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:05.439
<v Speaker 2>They don't say, let's go back to the pre social

1135
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:10.520
<v Speaker 2>contract way of thinking of where government comes from, the

1136
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 2>social contracts.

1137
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:14.359
<v Speaker 3>So what do we have we They do appeal to

1138
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:15.479
<v Speaker 3>religion and tradition.

1139
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.000
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a history and tradition, Yes.

1140
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:23.880
<v Speaker 3>History and tradition that or you could even say common law,

1141
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:29.119
<v Speaker 3>that we have seen things that work, and those things

1142
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:32.960
<v Speaker 3>that work are things that we should continue to do.

1143
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:38.439
<v Speaker 3>That we should develop them into traditions and deep cultural norms,

1144
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.359
<v Speaker 3>and that that's if we could do that, we could

1145
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.079
<v Speaker 3>go back from this god awful place we're in where

1146
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.399
<v Speaker 3>we don't know who what's a woman? We don't you

1147
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 3>know there, we don't know how many sex excuse me,

1148
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:52.960
<v Speaker 3>genders there are. You can be a furry, you know,

1149
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:59.800
<v Speaker 3>all of the abortion on demand assistant suicide, all of

1150
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:04.560
<v Speaker 3>the things that the right, the conservative right, quite finally,

1151
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:10.640
<v Speaker 3>quite rightly finds objectionable, but there is actually no legitimacy.

1152
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:15.479
<v Speaker 3>You go to the deep ages of time and hope

1153
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:20.359
<v Speaker 3>that those kinds of traditions and cultural norms are enough

1154
01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:22.840
<v Speaker 3>to carry you through. I do want to mention quickly,

1155
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:25.039
<v Speaker 3>and I know I've gone long on this already, but

1156
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.359
<v Speaker 3>I want to contrast that because I actually think that

1157
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:33.439
<v Speaker 3>those conservatives we're talking about right now join the left

1158
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:37.800
<v Speaker 3>in this whole enterprise. If you go back to even

1159
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:39.640
<v Speaker 3>if you don't all go all the way back to Locke,

1160
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 3>but you go to Jefferson, the entire Declaration of Independence,

1161
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.199
<v Speaker 3>and then the country the constitution built on the principles

1162
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:51.359
<v Speaker 3>there are dependent upon a very specific view of human

1163
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.119
<v Speaker 3>nature that it adopts the radical equality of Hobbes that

1164
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:00.600
<v Speaker 3>is carried on by Lock. It adopts the notion that seems,

1165
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:03.439
<v Speaker 3>according to Jefferson at least self evident that if you

1166
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.079
<v Speaker 3>are your own natural ruler, you have the right to life,

1167
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:11.000
<v Speaker 3>your own life, your own property, your own liberty. And

1168
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.439
<v Speaker 3>that's the basis a very low not quite as low

1169
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:20.840
<v Speaker 3>as Hobbes, but a very low basis for forming a

1170
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:25.800
<v Speaker 3>constitution and a form of government. But the Founding fathers

1171
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:30.640
<v Speaker 3>also understood much more about human nature that actually applies here.

1172
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:35.159
<v Speaker 3>They have a capacity for virtue human beings do they

1173
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:38.039
<v Speaker 3>have a capacity for evil, They have a capacity for

1174
01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:42.319
<v Speaker 3>hatred and resentment, good, you know, all of those things

1175
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:47.399
<v Speaker 3>that education and culture so on help form human beings

1176
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 3>one way or the other. But they have a nature,

1177
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.319
<v Speaker 3>and that nature is the same, let's say in twenty

1178
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:57.960
<v Speaker 3>twenty four as it was in seventeen eighty seven. Human

1179
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:03.520
<v Speaker 3>beings are not fundamentally different today in any fundamental respect

1180
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.840
<v Speaker 3>than they were in seventeen eighty seven or in the

1181
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:10.159
<v Speaker 3>time of Locke or Hobbes. What that is contrasted with

1182
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.399
<v Speaker 3>are the progressives who believe that human beings are infinitely

1183
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:21.560
<v Speaker 3>perfectible and that society is infinitely perfectible. And if you

1184
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.520
<v Speaker 3>believe that society is infinitely perfectible and human beings are,

1185
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:30.760
<v Speaker 3>then when you sacrifice individuals or whole groups of people

1186
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:34.880
<v Speaker 3>toward that wonderful, lofty goal, it's really not a problem.

1187
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:38.199
<v Speaker 3>There's no dignity in the individual human being. There's only

1188
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:43.279
<v Speaker 3>dignity in that final progressive utopia and communism is that

1189
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:48.640
<v Speaker 3>way the progressives of the nineteen twenties in the United

1190
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:51.920
<v Speaker 3>States believe that that's where eugenics comes from. And so

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01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:55.279
<v Speaker 3>I think, I hate to say it, but our friends

1192
01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:01.640
<v Speaker 3>on the right are a little bit naive about what

1193
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.640
<v Speaker 3>they share with the other side. They take, they take, yeah, way,

1194
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:07.680
<v Speaker 3>we're way over to pick it up next time.

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01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we actually should reserve that to next time.

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01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Whether the conservative critique of constitutionalism or originalism is the

1197
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:25.800
<v Speaker 2>same or different than the liberal critique of originalism or constitutionalism,

1198
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that the there's more to the common good

1199
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.800
<v Speaker 2>constitutionalism side than there is to the to the progressive side.

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01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I think conservative constitutional common good constitutional people do think

1201
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:45.079
<v Speaker 2>that there's a place for rules and norms, but it

1202
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 2>still leads open the question what is the ultimate source

1203
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:49.720
<v Speaker 2>of political legitimacy?

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01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:50.119
<v Speaker 3>Of it all?

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01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Because people should read your paper, because your paper is

1206
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.560
<v Speaker 2>a critique of the idea of just relying on history

1207
01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:00.199
<v Speaker 2>and to just in tradition for its own sake. So

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01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:04.760
<v Speaker 2>why don't we stop there? And if you want to

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01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.720
<v Speaker 2>close Lucretia with the babylon b headlines, yeah.

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01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 3>I'll have to just keep it to a couple because

1211
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.159
<v Speaker 3>I know how we're long, there's a list of the

1212
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:20.479
<v Speaker 3>remaining ten celebrities who haven't endorsed Kamala Harris. Fifteen seconds

1213
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:25.520
<v Speaker 3>into Kamala Harris interview, Oprah decides to endorse Trump. We

1214
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:29.279
<v Speaker 3>can't afford another four years of this, shouts, running made

1215
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:32.520
<v Speaker 3>of candidate who has been leading country for four years.

1216
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even want to give any of any credence

1217
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:39.920
<v Speaker 3>whatsoever to the Diddy thing. That's just I just want

1218
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.520
<v Speaker 3>to stop my emails I get from the Post because

1219
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:47.399
<v Speaker 3>they seem to be obsessed by Diddy and by our

1220
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:52.880
<v Speaker 3>FK Junior's sex texting with some reporter. I couldn't care

1221
01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:59.880
<v Speaker 3>less but sorry. Governor Abbott declares textuary sanctuary state for memor.

1222
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.439
<v Speaker 3>I know you've been following your governor who wants to

1223
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 3>outlaw means that make fun of him and other things. Jill,

1224
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.520
<v Speaker 3>we didn't even talk about this really quick. Did everyone

1225
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:12.960
<v Speaker 3>see that Biden held his first in the s of

1226
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.800
<v Speaker 3>my last one, held his first cabinet meeting in eleven months, spoke,

1227
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:21.880
<v Speaker 3>rambled for a couple of incoherent seconds, and turned over

1228
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 3>the cabinet meeting to doctor Jill Biden.

1229
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.119
<v Speaker 2>You know I saw that that was bizarre it was barre.

1230
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Jill Biden becomes first female president, says the Babylon be

1231
01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:40.520
<v Speaker 3>What a crazy world we live in? John Yes, and

1232
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.880
<v Speaker 3>then Biden promises next Trump assassin will be a woman

1233
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:44.359
<v Speaker 3>of color.

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01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we still are waiting to decide on our

1235
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:52.840
<v Speaker 2>new sign off. We might have to wait until after

1236
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:55.560
<v Speaker 2>the election and then shape our new sign off based

1237
01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:56.439
<v Speaker 2>on whoever wins.

1238
01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.159
<v Speaker 3>So shape our new sign off unburdened by what is in.

1239
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:08.159
<v Speaker 2>So goodbye everybody, Goodbye Lucretia, and we'll see you next weekend.

1240
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:11.439
<v Speaker 2>It's my understanding that we might even have a Steve

1241
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Hayward sighting at our next episode.

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01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, rumor has it. Have a wonderful week John, you.

1243
01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Two, Chrisia, Bye everybody.

1244
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:27.079
<v Speaker 4>Well have you heard about the painter Vincent van gorm

1245
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:32.359
<v Speaker 4>who love Colorado? Let it show and in the museum?

1246
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:37.000
<v Speaker 4>What have we here? The most solful pain a Cyncion

1247
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:42.039
<v Speaker 4>for me Edy Long he loved that's so bad paint

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<v Speaker 4>and tad twice in color all the pain and tad

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<v Speaker 4>go bad. That the world had to know he love Colorado.

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<v Speaker 4>Let us show in the Ampstead Museum.

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeling bad and looking for away, not to

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<v Speaker 2>be so sad.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt the feeling from the paintings all the waw

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<v Speaker 4>and Vincent Vangal.

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<v Speaker 2>Was with me in the hall, and he loved he

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<v Speaker 2>loved life that way.

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<v Speaker 4>These painting said things pain and seldom saying so bad

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<v Speaker 4>that the world had to know.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved color.

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<v Speaker 4>Letty shaw

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet joined the conversation.
