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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't get to go this time because I've already

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<v Speaker 1>opened my beer.

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<v Speaker 2>You already open your beer, and I'm apparently dry for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason why. I don't know. It's been a busy

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<v Speaker 2>day and I just I didn't get anything. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>grab alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always time to grab alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Though apparently not for me today. Well next time, next

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<v Speaker 2>time the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll drink extra fast to compensate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, was that? Yeah, I don't even have water, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be parched.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I think it's because I have to go

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<v Speaker 2>down a ladder. I get it that I'm being lazy, fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair, Okay. Our studio sound is awesome. I just got

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<v Speaker 1>to point that out. We've had a couple of people

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<v Speaker 1>talk to us about that and they're like, it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>fucking dope in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is sweet because we were worried a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about that. Actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I just put down a little carpet today too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sound even.

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<v Speaker 2>More our fancy boho carpet, Boho carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>And bean bags. Ah, it's good. It's nice. I like

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<v Speaker 1>it in this little studio loft.

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<v Speaker 2>It is good. It's like a little it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable ish, but I just have to figure out, like

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<v Speaker 2>we got have to figure out how to sit and

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<v Speaker 2>how it's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to work ourselves into it and get the

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<v Speaker 1>space kind of worked around us and figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>it's how we're gonna make it come us.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to do that for the whole tiny home,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think with tiny I'm living like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a spot for everything. Yeah, like everything has

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<v Speaker 2>to have its freaking spot. And we're not quite there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like a little chaotic still. But it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking it has.

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<v Speaker 2>To get there. It's going to get there. It is

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<v Speaker 2>positive thinking here.

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<v Speaker 1>Can Can you hear that in my voice though? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I sound a little raspy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. It's from yelling at fan con all weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>What is fan con? We should share that?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you what fan con is. It's comic book convention.

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was a guest.

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<v Speaker 2>You were a guest?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and invited guests as a content because those who

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm actually a TikToker. I have over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand followers on TikTok Toot that Horn too,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Wicked and Graham m but you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to join for Wicked and Graham, So it was

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<v Speaker 1>just me as a solo content creator.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I had a massive amount of photoshoots this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>You will get in your photos on my professional talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's fall. That season is just yeah, yeah, people

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<v Speaker 2>want the pretty fall. Everyone wants fall photos.

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<v Speaker 1>But while I was actually at fan Con, there was

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<v Speaker 1>another podcast that was guesting there, the Dairy Public Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were actually super awesome, So shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>them everyone I got to meet. I did get a selfie,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll be posting that selfie on her Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's awesome. What was their podcast about.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Well, let me tell you what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I actually can't remember. It wasn't it like

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen King? Yes, okay, okay, I know you got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to him because I I listened to The Long

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<v Speaker 1>Walk because they talk about the Stephen King. Well it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Stephen King book Club podcast, Okay, so they'll read

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<v Speaker 1>a Stephen King book and they'll read a few chapters

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll do an episode on the few chapters they

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<v Speaker 1>read and they'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked him which one they recommended, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was recommended The Long Walk. I've never read the book before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm one who spoilers. Don't bother me. It gives

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<v Speaker 1>me something to look forward to my perspective. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to I think it was three episodes for

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<v Speaker 1>The Long Walk. I have to read this fucking book now,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, are you there? Their podcast is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you guys are interested in Stephen King books

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<v Speaker 1>or a book club podcast, definitely hit up The Dairy

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<v Speaker 1>Public Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of fun actually, because I don't know. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like book clubs are kind of clicky and

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're not invited to one, then it's like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of sad. So it's like they're like inviting everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're inviting everyone to read the book along with

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<v Speaker 1>them and discussions, so it's really cool. Yeah, and me

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<v Speaker 1>being damn near illiterate, it's it's nice that I can

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<v Speaker 1>go at my own pace totally. I Can I can

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<v Speaker 1>read the book when I want and then listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the episode months later when I learn how to pronounce

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<v Speaker 1>certain words.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we also have a correction? Dumb dun dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Correction, Well, not big time, it's a little thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's on, Gabby Potito, it's a big case currently. So

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<v Speaker 1>little Brian is not thirty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's the same age as her right, twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was twenty three years old. Apparently they went

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<v Speaker 1>to the same high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that was a nasty rumor that got out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we fell victim to when we were researching,

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<v Speaker 1>the rumor was at its peak, at its height, and

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<v Speaker 1>I found several websites that actually said thirty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>So when like wildfire, really it really did.

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<v Speaker 1>So correction, Gabby Patito. The whole case with that Brian

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<v Speaker 1>was not thirty seven years old, It was twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>And now twenty three, and now her body has been

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<v Speaker 2>officially found and it's been officially confirmed and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a homicide, yes, which is really really shitty.

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<v Speaker 1>It is I haven't actually looked up, do you know

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<v Speaker 1>if they're still looking for Brian?

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<v Speaker 2>As far as I know, because the last. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully this isn't a rumor. I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw a new thing about Dog the Bounty I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just googled it and it just came out. Okay, first

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<v Speaker 1>thing that came on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to find him.

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News. Dog the Bounty Hunter joins Brian laundry Man

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt says he's received more than one thousand leads. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would be like actually shitting my pants

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<v Speaker 2>if that guy was looking for me. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know, I would not. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>he had his prime when he was good. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's past that now.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he? Is he? Because he had a TV show? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he still have a TV show? I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know much about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Does still?

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so he's gonna I feel like he has

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<v Speaker 2>to be found. I'm slightly curious though. If he's alive,

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<v Speaker 2>is my one thing, you might have.

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<v Speaker 1>Like made a bolt and has like gone to Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>by now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But anyway, so that's our little little tidbits. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think at this point we should move on to

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<v Speaker 2>our case.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to the case. Let's do it? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you got?

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<v Speaker 2>I dropped it last week, So if you listened to

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<v Speaker 2>last week, you know what's going on here. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing a Texas case. Yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all, we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing a Texas case. We actually have a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>listeners from Texas showed out to all of them they're

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<v Speaker 2>for and this case. Okay, Like researching it, I just

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<v Speaker 2>like got a massive amount of goosebumps constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, do tell why?

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<v Speaker 2>Because like the victims in the story are so young.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they're just like these beautiful girls and they had

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<v Speaker 2>their whole life ahead of them, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>it was taking the fuck away from them, taking away

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like not okay with that. It's not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, any murder or anything like that is

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<v Speaker 1>never cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just hits home a little harder when the

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<v Speaker 1>victims are young, especially kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, young, and that there was four of them, so, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>already here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Story started.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the story of the nineteen ninety one Austin

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<v Speaker 2>yogurt shop murders.

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard you talk about this a time or two.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's spoiler alert. I'm just doing a spoiler right

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<v Speaker 2>off the fringing mat here. It's an unsolved case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love media unsolved.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just landing on my laptop, which is really freaking weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool. We have French doors in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, we keep leaving them open, which is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome though, because we're just so nice living the

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<v Speaker 1>outdoors a little bit, even though we don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like I am spending more time outside,

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<v Speaker 2>which is sweep definitely. Okay. So the fact that this

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<v Speaker 2>shit isn't solved yet is like just beyond me because

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<v Speaker 2>it is such a brutal case and the fact that's

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<v Speaker 2>an individual or individuals like they don't even know that,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah wow got away with this is just wow. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just wow, just wow, just just freaking wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I just heard Owen Wilson come in.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I can't do one Wilson voice. I could do voices,

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<v Speaker 1>but not Nolan Wilson. Oh, by the way, did I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that I got some voice acting tips and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff while at fan Con?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Right, Actually you said that you were talking to someone,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't really know if you didn't know you

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<v Speaker 2>got tips.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I got like a whole spiel and information on

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<v Speaker 1>how to put together a voice demo and all that jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>So huh yeah, we'll get that shit going here.

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<v Speaker 1>I will.

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<v Speaker 2>And I almost just interburped there again. And okay, the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of people that also interburp, like hallelujah. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Record. I never said it wasn't a thing. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think the term inner burp is really fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it describes it perfectly. Okay, holy shit. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 2>sidetracked here, my bad. Okay. So anyway, it was the

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<v Speaker 2>evening of Friday, December sixth, nineteen ninety one. Fourteenage girls,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old Eliza Thomas, seventeen year old Jennifer Harbison,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen year old Sarah Harborson, Nipper's sister, and thirteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old Amy Ayers, who was Sarah's friend, who were all

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<v Speaker 2>at the shop called I can't believe it's yogurt? Which

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<v Speaker 2>is is.

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<v Speaker 1>That next door to the I can't believe it's not

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. So this is a chain store that

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<v Speaker 2>serves soft served frozen yogurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Fro y'all ding dang, I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to have a shop like a menschi It

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<v Speaker 2>was called Menchies. I'm not sure if Minchi's is just

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just like a chain because I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>they had like a wall of celebrities and there was

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, our freaking its closed and that's kind of shitty.

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<v Speaker 2>We obviously didn't support it enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not surprised because I mean, it wasn't in

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<v Speaker 1>a very good location. And also, like an ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>shop in Canada, people go there for like warm weather and.

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<v Speaker 2>Foraking half a year is cold here.

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<v Speaker 1>Like two to three months of summer, so that.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah three months of summer tops well technically yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this particular shop was part of the Hillside

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<v Speaker 2>the mall, which was a few blocks away. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>helping Eliza and Jennifer close. Basically, they're just waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer to give them a ride home, you know, A

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<v Speaker 2>little sibling. Right, So the yogurt shop was set to

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<v Speaker 2>close at eleven pm. The girls were doing such thing

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<v Speaker 2>as cleaning, stalking napkin holders, putting up chairs to sweep

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<v Speaker 2>and mop the floor, and helping the last of the customers.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was like researching that, it almost like brought

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<v Speaker 2>me back to my Tim Horton's days and the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of shit that you have to do to like keep

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<v Speaker 1>I could imagine. And also I in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>And then I also realized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm pretty sure we did at Menchies multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>do that, so I know, yeah, I can't knock that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually thought it was kind of a late

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<v Speaker 2>time to be open, but I don't know, it obviously

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<v Speaker 2>opened for a reason that late, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's obviously selling merchant stuff then, so.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're froo I didn't have this in here, But

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<v Speaker 2>some people were like kind of against the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>young and closing, But I mean like seventeen years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously they were responsible, right, and there was like

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just like it was one of them. Yeah, however, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so back to this, they're closing down shop. However, there

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<v Speaker 2>was one table that didn't get put to other for

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<v Speaker 2>the night, and that's because it was occupied by two men.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a few people in and out of the

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get the best of vibes about these individuals that

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<v Speaker 2>occupied this particular table. One woman wanted to ask if

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<v Speaker 2>the girls are all right before she left, but the

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<v Speaker 2>girls seemed fine, so she went against her gut, got

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<v Speaker 2>her frolio and left the shop. Oh shit, Oh, like

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta listen to those gut feelings. I think, not

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<v Speaker 2>that I think she should regret this or like blame herself,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean if I always regret not listening to

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<v Speaker 2>my gut feelings because they're there for a reason. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>Mind if I go off on a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a tangent here, complete different story something I read on

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<v Speaker 1>a Reddit thread today. Sure it's Kim. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>this creepy stories thing, right, and so it's like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what's a real story that you'll never forget, something that

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened to you, like creepy as fuck. So this

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<v Speaker 1>person was like at a train station waiting for their

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<v Speaker 1>like super late train, and they had like a couple

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<v Speaker 1>hours to kill. So they're walking around these platforms and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and they saw this little girl standing there like alone,

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<v Speaker 1>like in an empty platform and no one's around. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like almost super creepy and like dark and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like, okay, well, they went with their gut.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to make sure this little girl was okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't want to like bother her. So he

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<v Speaker 1>sat down on a nearby bench and like just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of watched her. Twenty five minutes goes by in total,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, hey, someone's got to come soon. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the mom just went to the bathroom, all this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of shit. Little girl never moved a muscle the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm expediting this story, by the way, so there's not

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<v Speaker 1>much dispense in it. But eventually the person's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go up and like I got to ask

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<v Speaker 1>this little girl up. They're okay, because they're just like

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<v Speaker 1>standing there, just staring at me, not moving a muscle

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<v Speaker 1>for dwann near half an hour. So they go over

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<v Speaker 1>to the little girl and it's a statue of like

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<v Speaker 1>like a lego little girl bill just sitting there on

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I feel like after that long time

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<v Speaker 2>that you would like realize.

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<v Speaker 1>But they took there was cell phone video or photos

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and like from a distance where they were sitting,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked legit like a little girl standing there. And

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<v Speaker 1>then as you get up close and then yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>took a photo. It's just like a bunch of these

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<v Speaker 1>like giant lego blocks put into a little girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. I know, like in this scenario, I

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<v Speaker 2>was feeling like if she had this gut feeling she

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<v Speaker 2>could even she was there so close to close, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess she could have just like waited in the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But then still, like at some point you do have

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<v Speaker 2>to just live your life. I guess then it at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know something like that is about to happen

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<v Speaker 2>exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And also like if these little if these young women

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<v Speaker 1>are seventeen years old and everything like that, would this

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<v Speaker 1>have changed if they were twenty four, if they were

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit older. Would this incident.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, like you know, yeah, because people were saying maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they're too young to not Probably not really so if anything,

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<v Speaker 3>if they were that old, they wouldn't have probably had

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, right, so maybe probably. Oh yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>less victims then.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess technically probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's like, yeah, that was supposed to be helpful,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't. So thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I was just trying to like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what I was trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently I was not helping some of Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was not help I've been.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking lots anyways, so I'm zipping it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So it wasn't until eleven forty seven pm that

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<v Speaker 2>police officer Troy Gay, who was patrolling the area, reports

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<v Speaker 2>a fire at the cat that I can't believe it's

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<v Speaker 2>yogurt shop. The fire department showed up. They did their job.

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<v Speaker 2>They put the fire out without even a thought that

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<v Speaker 2>this could be any more than just a fire, don't don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know where this is going.

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<v Speaker 2>As they were doing their post fire walkthrough, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>making sure the fire was completely out, they got a

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<v Speaker 2>glimpse a glimpse of what appeared to be a human

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<v Speaker 2>charred foot, which was their initial discovery of what would

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<v Speaker 2>be three charred black bodies to the point of beyond recognition.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, so three, you said, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Three? So at this point Detective John Jones was called

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<v Speaker 2>to the scene and as he was en route, he

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<v Speaker 2>got an update that a fourth body was found.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the fourth but also Detective John Jones. How badass

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<v Speaker 1>of a detective name is that? Undetective John Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty cool get these. It seemed like he did

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<v Speaker 2>a good job all times. Yeah, yeah, he did a

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<v Speaker 2>good good job. There's we'll get to that. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it's claimed that this was the day Austin lost its innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety one, Austin was not the size of

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<v Speaker 2>the town it is today. In the nineteen nineties, the

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<v Speaker 2>population was about four hundred and fifty thousand, where today

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<v Speaker 2>it's more than doubled in size. And back then they

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<v Speaker 2>did not have like a lot of violent crimes. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was also like, thinking back to like the nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like shit's just gotten worse since then, Like

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<v Speaker 2>and then back then worst was stuff as violent? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>were there as many violent crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's oh, definitely. I think it was what I think

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and the eighties was like the height of

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<v Speaker 1>like serial killers. Like I can't remember what they call it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like literally the serial killer era. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>name they've named it. But so definitely. Just nowadays, there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much social media and worldwide like reach that people's

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<v Speaker 1>stories are just all over the place. You wake up

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<v Speaker 1>you see murder stories constantly because you're seeing it from

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. In the nineties, it's just usually you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about one or two on the radio from globally

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<v Speaker 1>and then in the paper for locally.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean too, I guess said that age. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just living my life, making my mud pies. Just

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<v Speaker 2>sh it just seemed simpler than it does now. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the world's going to hell sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was chasing frogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look at us go. It's good combo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as Detective Jones entered the flooded scene, his initial

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<v Speaker 2>response was, holy shit, holy shit. The bodies of the

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<v Speaker 2>four girls were burnt so badly their melted bodies had

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<v Speaker 2>become part of the floor. They were naked, bound and

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<v Speaker 2>gagged with their own clothes, their legs spread, one girl

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<v Speaker 2>having an ice cream scoop left inside of her shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Each girl had been shot in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fucking disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>So that paints a little bit of a poor visual.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm quite sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I guarantee you that melted the butter next door that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it's not butter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that ship must have been definitely melted. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>the still thing? I can't believe it's not butter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was like the margins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but do they still make that even margin?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that kind of margin?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Probably? What kind was it? Was it? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like not into margarine where we've totally switched to

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<v Speaker 2>butter in this all the way. You resisted, so don't

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<v Speaker 2>even that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I did resist for.

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<v Speaker 2>The longest time, and it was just like unbelievable that

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<v Speaker 2>you kept resisting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, to be fair, to be fair, I've always

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<v Speaker 1>been pro butter for cooking. Yeah, but on toast.

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<v Speaker 2>Because margin is more convenient.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because the spreadability my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, anyway, now that you know like our butter margin

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<v Speaker 2>in preference, here, I'll describe the shop and seen a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more. As you enter the shop, there's a row

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<v Speaker 2>of booths on your left and you're right with some

429
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<v Speaker 2>tables in the middle. The table that didn't get put

430
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<v Speaker 2>together for the night, So where the two men were

431
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<v Speaker 2>sitting was on the row of booths on the left,

432
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<v Speaker 2>closest to the counter. Then you had the front counter

433
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<v Speaker 2>and just under half the store, Like it seemed like

434
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<v Speaker 2>the back end of the store was huge. I don't,

435
00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why. That just seemed weird to me.

436
00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.880
<v Speaker 2>But just under half the store was the back room,

437
00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:38.400
<v Speaker 2>which consisted they had like a walk and cooler, storage, washrooms,

438
00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:43.960
<v Speaker 2>office bathroom. Oh office, I don't I have office bathrooms.

439
00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>It's not an office bath office rooms. Yeah. So I

440
00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:50.480
<v Speaker 2>have bathrooms in there twice and a prep like area.

441
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<v Speaker 2>And the one thing that is kind of odd is

442
00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:56.319
<v Speaker 2>like those bathrooms, even though they were behind the counter,

443
00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I think that they were forget for people coming to

444
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<v Speaker 2>the restaurant, which I thought was really odd. Because we'll

445
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<v Speaker 2>kind of talk a little bit more about it.

446
00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was like a location that they came into

447
00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and it was just like they just made what it

448
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<v Speaker 1>was the lay it was work for them.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be because I think like lots of

450
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<v Speaker 2>times when you're serving food, like you almost legally have

451
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<v Speaker 2>to have a bathroom or something. So all of the

452
00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>bodies were found in the back room area. Two of

453
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<v Speaker 2>the bodies, Sarah and Eliza, were found stacked on top

454
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<v Speaker 2>of each other, with Jennifer's body right next to them,

455
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.079
<v Speaker 2>and Amy was a little further away, closer to the

456
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<v Speaker 2>entrance from the back room to like the main open area.

457
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<v Speaker 2>It's unsure if this is the way the killers had

458
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<v Speaker 2>left the bodies, or if the forest from the water

459
00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:50.319
<v Speaker 2>when they were putting out the fire left them like this.

460
00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Some reports say all the bodies were stacked and the

461
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<v Speaker 2>water had unstacked them like the pressure from the hoses,

462
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<v Speaker 2>and some say the water have potentially slacked or stacked

463
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the bodies of Sarah and Eliza, or it's not. The

464
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:11.519
<v Speaker 2>initial gunshot Amy received didn't kill her, and she started

465
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<v Speaker 2>crawling away trying to escape disturbing the pile, but was

466
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:18.759
<v Speaker 2>found and shot again. She because she was actually the

467
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<v Speaker 2>only girl with a second gunshot wound to the head.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, Oh shit, that's very likely then.

469
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<v Speaker 2>So it could definitely have been a possibility.

470
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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is really sad to kind of think about that.

472
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<v Speaker 1>Being that situation, Like, imagine trying to crawl away from

473
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<v Speaker 1>that scene with a wound like that tear head. Oh

474
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 1>my god, that poor girl, I know.

475
00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>And that was here. Let me just I'm pretty sure

476
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<v Speaker 2>Amy was the youngest one. Oh no, So where am

477
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<v Speaker 2>I here? What are you doing to I'm so sorry? Okay,

478
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>it's a very okay, I told you this case, like

479
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I literally conte it goosebumps because I just like felt

480
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:10.519
<v Speaker 2>so wrig and bad. Okay. So Amy's body also wasn't

481
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.559
<v Speaker 2>burnt to the extent the other girls were, so would

482
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>be slightly helpful to the investigation. It was her body

483
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that gave Detective Jones and indication that sexual assault had occurred.

484
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.119
<v Speaker 2>The other three girls bodies the.

485
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Ice creams gup didn't give that away.

486
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, she was the one with the ice creamy, Okay, okay,

487
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:35.039
<v Speaker 2>So the other three girl's bodies were so burnt they

488
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 2>were beyond recognition. It's unknown if the three girls were

489
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>covered in like accelerant at the start of the fire.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry, holy heck, where am I here? Okay? It's

491
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<v Speaker 2>unknown if the three girls were covered with accelerant and

492
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.640
<v Speaker 2>were like the start of the fire or if the

493
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.079
<v Speaker 2>storage shelf beside them was like the origin of the fire.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Well, either way, that's kind of I mean, do they

495
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.799
<v Speaker 1>just like splash gas all over sort of thing? Maybe?

496
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Is that a cat getting Is Kiwi doing some shit?

497
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<v Speaker 2>No, I can hear weird things going on down there.

498
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I think he's I think he's being a dick. Kiwi,

499
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.279
<v Speaker 1>stop being a dick.

500
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:20.640
<v Speaker 2>We can hear everything that's going on in earls now,

501
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:26.599
<v Speaker 2>which is so funny. Okay, well they're okay. I'm about

502
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to kind of go into something here because there was

503
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:32.920
<v Speaker 2>a few investigation errors in this case errors and the

504
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>girls not being tested for that act yeah was one

505
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 2>of them because when it came to questioning the accuse,

506
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.839
<v Speaker 2>it prevented the investigators from having all the facts basically right.

507
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.839
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I don't like, it doesn't seem like

508
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 2>a huge air. But then when they are trying to

509
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.680
<v Speaker 2>get confessions or whatever, like they technically didn't know all

510
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 2>the facts really right, That makes sense. So it does

511
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<v Speaker 2>make sense.

512
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<v Speaker 1>I was like, why does it matter where the fire

513
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>was started the shelf for them? But when it comes

514
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>down to actual questioning.

515
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, questions, the small more, you know, the better, right,

516
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 2>So a few other noteworthy errors made was the bathroom

517
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't get dusted for prints, and earlier that evening there

518
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>had been unquestionable individual who went in the back to

519
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 2>use the bathroom. They also didn't check the lock on

520
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 2>the back door to see if it was tampered with,

521
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 2>and the back door had actually been left propped open,

522
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>So whoever did this could have propped the door open

523
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:37.640
<v Speaker 2>at some point maybe and they were thinking it could

524
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>have potentially even been that questionable man using the bathroom

525
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and he wasn't actually using the bathroom, but he was

526
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.359
<v Speaker 2>going in the back to prop the door open, and

527
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.559
<v Speaker 2>once the shop had closed, like people entered that way, right.

528
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 2>There are also a few items that were missed being

529
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>collected or saved, and it's hard to say if these

530
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.759
<v Speaker 2>things would have helped solve a case, but you never know,

531
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Right the fuck.

532
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 1>John Jones, get on your shit with John Jones, right, Yeah,

533
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 1>detective high expectations for him with that name.

534
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>But okay, I also, I mean okay, I also think

535
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it's human nature to later like question how you potentially

536
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 2>handle the situation and is definitely twenty twenty if there

537
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.599
<v Speaker 2>was things that you could have done differently or better

538
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, I guess when it's like in a

539
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:31.400
<v Speaker 2>murder investigation, it's kind of a harder pill to swallow, right, Yeah, fair,

540
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>there isn't a lot that can be done to help

541
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the parent's cope, especially like okay, not that one parent

542
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 2>has worse, but the one that like lost both. I

543
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 2>feel like, yeah, there was like one thing I was

544
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>reading or watching and she had gotten a knock like

545
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>on the door at three in the morning, basically like

546
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>informing her that her daughters were dead. Yeah, Like, I

547
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>just that is right there to me, is like just

548
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>a reason to never have children.

549
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>There, Well, I mean, she was probably sitting there, like

550
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>where are my daughters? Like she's probably she's not sleeping,

551
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 1>She's waiting for her daughters to get home guaranteed.

552
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, because it depends if they were

553
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>sleeping over at the I don't know they like or

554
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 2>they came they were going to be home late. Like

555
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>she could have already been sleeping, right, Like she might

556
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily have been like where are they waiting? But

557
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I just I just feel like that's just such a

558
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>fear that anyone could have, like getting a phone call

559
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>or getting a knock on the door in the middle

560
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>of the night, to getting news like that is just

561
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 2>the most heart wrenching shit I can think I can

562
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>think of, Yeah, brutal anyway, Sorry, we're just we're just

563
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>really pulling at the heart strings.

564
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Today, no kidding.

565
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow, So anyway, I mean.

566
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't have tissues the dishes because you're going to

567
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>be a river today.

568
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>So what I was say something saying is like, there's

569
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 2>not a lot to help the parents, but I feel

570
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>like maybe knowing that the people responsible for the crime

571
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>or locked up might be the tiniest of helpful, a

572
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 2>little bit of yeah, knowing that they're not out there

573
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 2>potentially like doing that to someone else. So a lot

574
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>of evidence was also destroyed in the fire. The fire

575
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>needed to be put out, but in doing so, forensic

576
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>evidence also could have been washed away and destroyed.

577
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep, especially with a high pressure.

578
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 2>And they didn't even know what there was a I know,

579
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>they had no idea.

580
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Just like I'm sure we're walking everywhere and like tearing

581
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 1>shit down. Yeah.

582
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.319
<v Speaker 2>So but then this brings me to say, like, I'm

583
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>not entirely certain if there would have been a different

584
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>way to put out a fire than having known that

585
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>there was a crime scene inside, right, But it was

586
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 2>mentioned had they known prior to the extent of the crime,

587
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>they probably would have done things differently. Oh that Like anyway,

588
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>there may have been different ways of gathering evidence, and

589
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 2>a lack of evidence in this case could be why

590
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not potentially solved, right.

591
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's exactly why they lit the fire too,

592
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>clearly to try and get rid of evidence, and clearly

593
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>it fucking worked.

594
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that. Yeah, that's probably why you would

595
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.279
<v Speaker 2>light a fire. I've heard of that in other cases.

596
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>It gets I would imagine it gets rid of well,

597
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>it gets rid of a lot of things, which yeah,

598
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of yeah, there you go. People even do that

599
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 2>to the houses and shit. Insurance Like the fire is

600
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 2>an interesting thing.

601
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Although it's like investigators can get real specific unburned patterns

602
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 1>and shit, and they can pretty much usually pinpoint.

603
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Which is why yeah, I know, like even okay, even

604
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 2>forest fires. Yeah, and they can like pinpoint where it

605
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>started and if it was like started by a cigarette

606
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>or something. That is just like my mind, fuck, how

607
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>do you learn that shit? Like that's some smart ship?

608
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Where is this school that you learned that this is

609
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the cigarette burn that burned this forest down like what I.

610
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Know, I know, I wouldn't even know where to begin

611
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 2>at the cigarette apparently apparently, or just find the person

612
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>that knows. Yeah, okay, So a few more details I

613
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>wanted to mention. About five hundred dollars was taken from

614
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the cash register at eleven oh three. There's record that

615
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Eliza hit the button on the cash register for no

616
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>charge sale, indicating that there was a robbery aspect to

617
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>this crime as well. Yeah, it's not known if this

618
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.799
<v Speaker 2>was the main motive, but being that it was just

619
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 2>five hundred dollars and it appeared the girls freely handed

620
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>over the money, it wouldn't seem so like I feel

621
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 2>like if you were doing something to get money, like,

622
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 2>would you pick the frickin' fro Yo shop?

623
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:00.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think so.

624
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't think so, right.

625
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Unless you're like super desperate sort of thing. Yeah, but

626
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're super desperate, you probably don't have the means

627
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 1>of having a firearm.

628
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most likely, I think it's probably like a sexual

629
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>assault thing more so, Right, it just doesn't seem like

630
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>it would be a robbery.

631
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they most likely probably went in with sexual assault

632
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>in mind, and just like let's get cash while we're

633
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 1>at it.

634
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Because something I didn't even mention, or that I don't

635
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>have written down in here, but some reports kind of

636
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>said it could have been people following the young girls

637
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>from the mall to this yogurt chop or something, right,

638
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know. So as I had mentioned,

639
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>all the girls were shot in the head with a

640
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<v Speaker 2>twenty two caliber gune, I meant to look that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the twenty two calibar again. It's a twenty two

642
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>caliber is really popular for like shooting people in the head.

643
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<v Speaker 1>Definitely shows it could have been premeditated, okay, because twenty

644
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<v Speaker 1>two's don't exit the skull, right, Well, it goes in

645
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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't exit. It goes in the skull, It

646
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 1>bounces around a couple times, like scrambles your fucking brain

647
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and sure's you're dead usually and it's not messy, it's

648
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<v Speaker 1>not blown out. And yeah, how cool and quiet is Finn?

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<v Speaker 2>How big is this gun?

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00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Small?

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00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Is it small?

652
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay's super small?

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<v Speaker 2>I need to like research my guns here, but I

654
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<v Speaker 2>also feel like my Google history is fucked up enough,

655
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<v Speaker 2>and maybe I just won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we might be getting on a knocking our door

657
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<v Speaker 1>one these days.

658
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like, oh, if anyone would look there,

659
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, holy shit. Yeah, okay, but Amy was

660
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<v Speaker 2>shot twice, as I had mentioned, and the second shot

661
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<v Speaker 2>to her head was actually done with a different weapon,

662
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 2>a larger caliber weapon nine millimeter. Oh gosh, I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>You did never reri down.

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<v Speaker 2>No. A three eighty. Is that larger? Maybe like a

665
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<v Speaker 2>hunting rifle. I don't know. It said it was like

666
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a much bigger okay, weapon, which isn't super important which

667
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of weapon, But what is kind of important and

668
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<v Speaker 2>interesting is that it indicates that there was probably more

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<v Speaker 2>than one person, right, because would you be like packing

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<v Speaker 2>both guns like I seem like it would indicate that

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<v Speaker 2>there was more than one person.

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<v Speaker 1>Most likely, even if you are packing multiple guns, you're

673
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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna use the same one that's in your fucking

674
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<v Speaker 1>hand rather than swapping them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Amy also had a bruise under her chin,

676
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<v Speaker 2>indicating that she had been struck, and also had showed

677
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>signs of being strangled. These poor girls, so like they

678
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 2>they really just went through hell. So once the autopsy reports.

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00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just came up with a really and

680
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<v Speaker 1>it's I know it's super dark, but I came up

681
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<v Speaker 1>with a funny tagline.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because shop, he'll just froze over.

683
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it just popped

684
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>in there and I had to share it.

685
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, here, you're just making everything way worse. Sorry, sorry, sorry,

686
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Okay, it was good.

687
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<v Speaker 1>You have to have me that.

688
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

689
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<v Speaker 1>It was super fucking dark. It was good.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, Sorry, I digress. Continue Oh are we ready

691
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.840
<v Speaker 2>to continue? Like? I need a moment here. Okay. So,

692
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>once the autopsy reports were finalized on the girls, the

693
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>police decided to see I was gonna say steal, but

694
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't make any sense. Seal the reports, so like

695
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>keep them to themselves, right, This was this way, once

696
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>they received confession, they would be able to know if

697
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it was was a match to what actually had happened.

698
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't really think this was this would be

699
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>something that investigators had to worry about. But apparently, like

700
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 2>false confess confessions are a thing, and this case had

701
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>many of them, which is so wild to me.

702
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I new false confessions were a thing, but like many really.

703
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is this is wild? At one point the

704
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>pool of suspects was three hundred and forty two people,

705
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, and they had dozens of false confessions. WHOA,

706
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Like what the fuck? Really? I was just like what? Why?

707
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Like why? So that's like just not normal. I mean,

708
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I think there's probably generally a pool of suspects, but

709
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>it's not like three hundred and forty two. Yeah, and

710
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>there aren't usually dozens of false confessions.

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00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.000
<v Speaker 1>What if one of those confessions is legit?

712
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I know, like it's almost like what they even know,

713
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it just it just takes some taking up all

714
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the resources of the investigators to have to deal with

715
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 2>all this shit. Yeah, okay, well guess what. We just

716
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 2>took a tiny break. So the dogs were being jerks.

717
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 1>One was pacing around and the other one was starting

718
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 1>to get.

719
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess what. I got a Drink's best break ever?

720
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Right? My drinks almost empty. I should have got one from.

721
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you screwed up. And I'm like constantly just literally

722
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>changing up lately. I'm drinking a twisted tea. Now, I've

723
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 2>been drinking smear and offs, and I'm drinking local shit.

724
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just I'm all over the fricking place. Let's do

725
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Margarita's one day.

726
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>We have, but we need to again, Oh yeah.

727
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>We have? That was the best? Okay, Okay, who we're

728
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 2>diving in here? So this is a bit of a

729
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>side note. Okay, where the heck were we here? Okay,

730
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 2>so this is a side note. I'm not going to

731
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>go into many details of all the confessions that occurred,

732
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>but one of them I am going to because it's

733
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 2>just interesting. So it was Kenneth Alan McDuff, and some

734
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 2>people may reckon that name because he was a serial killer,

735
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:08.719
<v Speaker 2>so suspected of at least fourteen murders and it could

736
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>be a case we even do one day. So in

737
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six, he murdered three teens and it was

738
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 2>dubbed the broomstick murders because, oh, have you heard of that?

739
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I heard?

740
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I hadn't heard of that, because one of

741
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the victims, necks, was broken with a broomstick after she

742
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>was apparently repeatedly, repeatedly raped, which sounds absolutely brutal. Anyway,

743
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty nine, and this I just can't even

744
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>believe I'm able to read this. Due to prison overcrowding,

745
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Kenneth was paroled, but it is believed after he was released,

746
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 2>he committed many more murders. Fuck, like because the prison

747
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>was overcrowded. Is that like a joke?

748
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, way to fail Like.

749
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 2>That is just not okay. He was taken back into

750
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 2>custody and sent to death row, but the day of

751
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:08.800
<v Speaker 2>his execution, he confessed to the yogurt shop murders. Being

752
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 2>such a last minute confession, it was believed this was

753
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 2>a last straw of stopping his execution. Okay, but it

754
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 2>did not. And either way, they looked into it and

755
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 2>determined that he didn't commit the crime. Okay, Okay, So

756
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and I think that that just is probably a smart

757
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>thing for criminals to do.

758
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just trying to tell the inevitable sort of thing.

759
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh actually I did this. Well, shit, now we got

760
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>to look into it.

761
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Because they feel like they may need him, yeah, for

762
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>something or whatever. Right, Okay, So that was the little

763
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the little side note back to the main story. Eight

764
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 2>days after the murders, investigators got a tip to look

765
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 2>into a teenager named Maurice Pearce. This particular sixteen year

766
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>old was apparently seen with a twenty two caliber gun

767
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>at the same mall. Sarah and Amy were at before

768
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.159
<v Speaker 2>heading to the yogurt shop the night of the murders.

769
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<v Speaker 2>During questioning, Maurice said he'd lent the gun to his

770
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:16.760
<v Speaker 2>friend Forrest Wellborn, and that he and that he Forrest

771
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>used the gun to commit the yogurt shop murders. Like

772
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>way to throw your I mean I shouldn't. I was like,

773
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>way to throw your friend under the bus.

774
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>But so he's saying he knew his friend did it.

775
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is what he was saying.

776
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay.

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00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Forrest was then obviously brought in for questioning, but told

778
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<v Speaker 2>investigators that he and Maurice and their friends Robert Springsteen

779
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 2>and Michael Scott had stolen an SUV the knight of

780
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the murders and taken it on a joy ride to

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00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>San And where was it? I think I spelled that wrong.

782
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm still hung up on Michael Spoft.

783
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I know I knew you would San Antinio, I think,

784
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>but I think I spelt that really weird. Hopefully that

785
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 2>was the right place. I don't know how close that.

786
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Is to San Antonio.

787
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, okay, sorry, I butchered it and I

788
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>guess I didn't anyway, It's underlined and I never fixed it,

789
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what the shit does that say?

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00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Is it San Antonio?

791
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

792
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

793
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Is that close to Houston?

794
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea my geography is.

795
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, someone will tell us it probably is,

796
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.119
<v Speaker 2>hopefully anyway, if that's a joy they went on a joy, right,

797
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>so I'm assuming that it's semi close anyway. This then

798
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>put Robert and Michael Scott. I don't think all just

799
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>have to always see Michael Scott on the police radar

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00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>as well. After length lengthy questioning, Detective Jones and his

801
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>team dismiss Maurice as a suspect, concluding that he was lying.

802
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Detective Joanes said it became very clear that neither Maurice

803
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>nor Forrest had any connection to the crime, saying Forrest

804
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>had no clue. He couldn't organize a two car parade.

805
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>So why would he throw his friend under the bustle

806
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like that?

807
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Though?

808
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Like what a dick?

809
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I know, I just thought that was kind of odd,

810
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.320
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. He was young. He was probably

811
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 2>like kind of intimidated and just like didn't want him.

812
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>But like, if that's your friend, like.

813
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that makes me seriously suspicious of him,

814
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 1>like trying to throw the heat elsewhere, you know.

815
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his gun was also tested though, and was not

816
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a match to the murder weapon.

817
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>So, like, would they test the rifling or what I'm assuming?

818
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I don't know, I don't know what you

819
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 2>test some guns. You're putting me on the rifling.

820
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>It's basically the fingerprint of the gun.

821
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they tested that and it didn't match.

822
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay.

823
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 2>That was not the end of their story, though. I

824
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>feel like you think, you think that, you're already thinking

825
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it's not but this is probably not gonna end the

826
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:10.519
<v Speaker 2>way you thought.

827
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>You think It's not gonna end the way I thought

828
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<v Speaker 1>I think.

829
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, okay. So, although the case was never entirely abandoned,

830
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Detective Jones got promoted, and it wasn't until nineteen ninety nine,

831
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>eight years after the crime, that a new team of

832
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>investigators would target these four boys now men once again

833
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and bring them back in for questioning.

834
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay.

835
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>So at this point two of them would confess to

836
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the killings. Really, Michael Scott confessed to the killings, and

837
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Robert Springsteen also confessed to killing the girls and raping

838
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>one of them. The police at this point were convened

839
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that they had their killers. In October sixth, nineteen ninety nine,

840
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>all four men were arrested, the theory being that the

841
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<v Speaker 2>four boys had planned to rob the yolkret shop, with Michael,

842
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Robert and Maurice entering the shop while Forrest waited outside

843
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>to on like lookout. Yeah, okay, but that something went

844
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>terribly wrong during the robbery and that all girls were killed.

845
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 2>That just like doesn't make any sense. It doesn't add up,

846
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I know.

847
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>So then you're telling me all four boys committed very

848
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.039
<v Speaker 1>horrific indecent acts on these girls' corpses.

849
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, because this if you're going in there for

850
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>robbery and shit didn't go right, and then you act,

851
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.920
<v Speaker 2>yeah accidentally I don't know, killed people, would you also

852
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 2>accidentally rape them?

853
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Right? And Cleary, shit did go right because they willingly

854
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>opened the till to give the money, so they.

855
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Got what they went in there for. Like, I don't

856
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 2>think the girls would have opposed to just giving them

857
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the till money.

858
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Eight four girls and four boys, and especially the boys

859
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>having guns a learned and lock store, they're not gonna

860
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna.

861
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Give them the money. Yeah, yeah, like guaranteed.

862
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 1>They may fight is when it comes to the sexual assault. Yeah, yeah,

863
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>and they may not have because they may have had

864
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a gun to their fucking head.

865
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.760
<v Speaker 2>So I should note though, that both Forrest and Maurice

866
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 2>stayed true, saying that they were not involved. The authorities

867
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 2>tried twice to accuse Forrest for the murders, but they

868
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 2>lacked the evidence. There was actually no physical evidence linking

869
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 2>any of the men to the scene, so all the

870
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 2>charges against Forrest were dropped and charges against Maurice were

871
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>also dropped due to a lack of evidence. So it

872
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>was just Robert and Michael who went to trial.

873
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>So is Maurice changing his story then, because he originally

874
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>said Forrest did it.

875
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they at that point like it was just kids,

876
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>like almost like making up shit, right. I just feel

877
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 2>like then for them this long later to be like

878
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.639
<v Speaker 2>going through this again is just like wild.

879
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. I'm convinced that well, I don't know.

880
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost convinced that the two they have weren't involved

881
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and the two that they don't have were.

882
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's kind of where the ones, Okay, the ones

883
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>that are just like keeping quiet, Yeah, the two that.

884
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Are denying it. Forrest and Maurice, I'm convinced they are involved,

885
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 1>and the two they you have aren't involved. I almost

886
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.559
<v Speaker 1>feel like there's some sort of like blackmail shit going

887
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:06.840
<v Speaker 1>on where they're taking the fall.

888
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, We're gonna dive in here a little deeper.

889
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna buckle up.

890
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

891
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Fuck.

892
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.159
<v Speaker 2>So Robert and Michael went to trial, and Robert and

893
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Michael were both found guilty of murder. Robert received the

894
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 2>death penalty and Michael was sentenced to ninety nine years

895
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>in prison. And I say Robert was sentenced to the

896
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>death penalty. He hasn't like received the death penalty. But

897
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 2>before we go off and celebrate these victories, this emotional

898
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 2>rollercoaster shit is not over. So not long after the

899
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 2>trials some concerns were brought for it, concerns that suggested

900
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe Robert and Michael were innocent and actually didn't have

901
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>anything to do with the murder I had mentioned earlier.

902
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 2>No physical evidence was attached linking either of these men

903
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to the scene, and apparently they had confessed to the

904
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>murders under rugged interrogation by this new detective, Hector Polinko.

905
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I think is his name Hector Polinko.

906
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>And this rugged interrogation is like kind of an understatement,

907
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to give you some examples.

908
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Shit, they like beat these kids.

909
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I guess they were, they were at us. So Michael

910
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Scott was questioned for twelve.

911
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Hours, holy shit, twelve hours.

912
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>On September ninth, nineteen ninety nine. He was questioned again

913
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the next day, and questioned again on September thirteen, this

914
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 2>resulting in over twenty hours of videotaped interrogation. Like this

915
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is a long time to be questioned about something.

916
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard like Terrrigos going like eight hours and

917
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that's that's a long time. But they're doing

918
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 1>that on purpose to break you. Yeah, but like twelve

919
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.079
<v Speaker 1>hours and then back to back like the next day

920
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 1>and shit like hold fuck.

921
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 2>But like in my opinion, like because yeah, some would

922
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>say like you'd break, but like are you breaking because

923
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 2>you're like just so fucking exhausted of this shit?

924
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much that's what the trait do.

925
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's I just don't think it's I don't know,

926
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm not in that position, but anyway,

927
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:34.960
<v Speaker 2>that's what happened. A photo also surfaced from Michael's interrogation room,

928
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.440
<v Speaker 2>with one of the investigation investigators bringing in a gun

929
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>to the room and pointing it at Michael to help

930
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 2>trigger his memory. What the fuck, Like, that's that's just

931
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 2>not okay, no shit, Like I'm sorry, Like I don't

932
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 2>care what kind of tactic you're doing, Like like I

933
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like I would actually be scared shitless and I'd

934
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.079
<v Speaker 2>probably just tell them whatever the fuck they want to

935
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 2>here at that point, right.

936
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, imagine it was actually like Michael Scott in the office, and.

937
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>You can't even just stop thinking about the office, My

938
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 2>good lord. Michael had even asked for a lawyer at

939
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.840
<v Speaker 2>one point, to which his request was not granted. The

940
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>detectives left the room, but then they came back in

941
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the room continued questioning him. He continued to answer, and

942
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 2>they later just said that they thought he was just

943
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>thinking about getting about getting a lawyer and not actually

944
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 2>asking for one at that particular moment, like, I'm sorry,

945
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:39.480
<v Speaker 2>can I.

946
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Get a lawyer? I thought he was just thinking.

947
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.199
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were just like thinking about that ship

948
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 2>like that's no. And interestingly enough, detective this Detective Palinko

949
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:54.320
<v Speaker 2>was later removed from the case. After he allegedly cohersed

950
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a confession in a different case. Yeah, so, like honest,

951
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 2>just like that isn't helpful really, that kind of shit.

952
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's just not helpful. It's not getting anything.

953
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>All he's trying to do is get himself more recognition

954
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>for quote unquote, so solving.

955
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.079
<v Speaker 2>These cases, which I just think is just like it's

956
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 2>just a waste of money and time. Now, there was

957
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 2>another issue, and in two thousand and six, basically fifteen

958
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:28.880
<v Speaker 2>years after the murders, Robert's conviction was overturned and the

959
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>following year so was Michael's. Basically, it was found that

960
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 2>the courts violated both Robert and Michael's sixth Amendment right

961
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>to confront their accuser. Robert and Michael's confessions were used

962
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 2>against one another at their separate trials, but their lawyers

963
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 2>were never given the opportunity to cross examine the accuser.

964
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.599
<v Speaker 2>So as a result, it was determined their constitutional rights

965
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 2>had been violated. They would remain in jail while it

966
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 2>was decided if the prosecution was going to retry the case.

967
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 2>So just like this whole this is just like a

968
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:15.079
<v Speaker 2>shit show, hey kidding. So however, later in two thousand

969
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.800
<v Speaker 2>and eight, the defense requests to have the DNA be

970
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>retested with the new technology that's now available. Right, that's

971
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:29.800
<v Speaker 2>like almost twenty years later, and it was found that

972
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:34.119
<v Speaker 2>the DNA did not match either Michael or Robert, or

973
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>rather any of the men suspected of this crime. Suspected

974
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 2>of this crime, And like, I feel like that's a

975
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 2>big testament of their potential innocence that they they pushed

976
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 2>for this, like, let's get this DNA like retested, right,

977
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. But rather than go with this proof and

978
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>release Michael and Robert, the investigators and the DA come

979
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.239
<v Speaker 2>up with a new theory that there was actually just

980
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 2>a fifth man involved and that Michael and Robert were

981
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 2>still tied to this case.

982
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it is possible.

983
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 2>It's freaking possible, I guess.

984
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Or what if she had a boyfriend and just had

985
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 1>a little visit with a boyfriend before going to.

986
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Work, they probably would have known that.

987
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe possible, I don't know, but I mean it

988
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.639
<v Speaker 1>is also possible. Yes, I'm just trying to play Devil's

989
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>advocate and just say, like, just as it is possible,

990
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 1>there's a fiftyude, this is also fucking possible. You know, yeah,

991
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 1>grasping for fucking straws, might as well grasp but them

992
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>all it.

993
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:43.400
<v Speaker 2>However, was soon realized that the prosecution no longer had

994
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:48.559
<v Speaker 2>a case for now against them. Wait for now, it's

995
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>something that could be revisited.

996
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, like we have more coming out.

997
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.920
<v Speaker 2>No, no, it's totally something that could be always revisited.

998
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. In October twenty eight, two thousand and nine,

999
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 2>all charges were dismissed. So basically, there you have it.

1000
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Okay, this is like a tough one

1001
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 2>for me, Like, do you believe that these individuals committed

1002
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the crime? So the fact that the investigators were led

1003
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.400
<v Speaker 2>to them initially and then again led to them ten

1004
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 2>years later seems kind of fishy to me. But other

1005
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.119
<v Speaker 2>than Maurice having a similar weapon in his backpack at

1006
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 2>the time of the murders and very questionable confessions later,

1007
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 2>there really wasn't a lot to go on. And I

1008
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 2>also wanted to mention the original detective Jones, who was

1009
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.920
<v Speaker 2>no longer a part of this second operation thing of

1010
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 2>the men getting arrested. He does not believe that they

1011
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 2>committed the crime, No, not at all.

1012
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I do find it really fucking fishy that the one

1013
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>boy just so happened to have a twenty two at

1014
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 1>the mall where the girls so happened to be before work,

1015
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and then when questioned, he suddenly passes, oh, I gave

1016
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it to someone else and they did it.

1017
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 2>It does seem really weird. Do you think he would

1018
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 2>just be like, no.

1019
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, now I do have a gun, like I

1020
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.519
<v Speaker 1>stole my dad or something. But him saying no, they

1021
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.679
<v Speaker 1>did it makes me say he's worried about rifling or

1022
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 1>some sort of tie back to the gun. M M.

1023
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the big trigger for me. He was there

1024
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.800
<v Speaker 1>where the girls were prior to work, so he knew

1025
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:33.559
<v Speaker 1>where they were going and what time all that shit,

1026
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and he was worried about the gun. That is major

1027
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 1>to me.

1028
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was there at where the younger ones were, right, yeah, yeah,

1029
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:49.360
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know, in a way, it's almost they

1030
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:51.480
<v Speaker 2>because they I don't think they were the ones that

1031
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 2>were sitting at that booth though. So it's like those

1032
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 2>men that were sitting at the booth, Yeah, you're right,

1033
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.599
<v Speaker 2>and that one man who you to the bathroom and

1034
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 2>seemed shady. They just like need to be found. But

1035
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 2>it's so it's so far down the line now, and

1036
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 2>there was like things that had been missed, and it's like,

1037
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 2>at this point is this going to get solved?

1038
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm it could just be coincidence. It could have just

1039
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:19.840
<v Speaker 1>been just two dudes just sitting.

1040
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>In it could it could have been.

1041
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>However, there's also a highlightlihood that if it was just

1042
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>too dudes who had nothing to do with it, they

1043
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.159
<v Speaker 1>very well could have come forward and like oh that

1044
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:29.159
<v Speaker 1>was me, Like you know.

1045
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I true, Yeah, they they probably would have, really if

1046
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:35.400
<v Speaker 2>they had nothing to hide.

1047
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I know if it was me and I

1048
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.519
<v Speaker 1>had nothing to hide, I'd be like, yo, like can

1049
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I help?

1050
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Like that was me there that night, and then just

1051
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.840
<v Speaker 2>question your whole life of why you look like a

1052
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:46.719
<v Speaker 2>shady person.

1053
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was just eating fro yo.

1054
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing. They weren't. They just were having pop.

1055
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh I was just having But I mean, like, maybe

1056
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.039
<v Speaker 2>there's thirsty and that was like a place, the main

1057
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:00.639
<v Speaker 2>place in that area that was open or.

1058
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Something they could Hey, they could have been on a

1059
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.559
<v Speaker 1>road trip and just like let's stop somewhere just like

1060
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 1>get something to some sugar in our system. Yeah you

1061
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:11.000
<v Speaker 1>want not really? Maybe maybe you got.

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<v Speaker 2>Something they could maybe not even realize that that was

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<v Speaker 2>like the same thing place they were or something really

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<v Speaker 2>potentially right.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, yeah, I hope it does because it's it

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<v Speaker 2>would be really nice for the families.

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<v Speaker 1>And fuck those guys who did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's I could just brutal what they did in

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<v Speaker 2>the shop now is a nail salon, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So and there's like a plaque outside in the parking

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<v Speaker 2>lot remembering because these girls and stuff, so like they're

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not forgotten. But oh, it's just brutal. And on

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<v Speaker 2>a side note, I just wanted to say we're behind

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<v Speaker 2>on our messages on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Very much, so behind the life.

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<v Speaker 2>We are just behind on life and we do, like

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<v Speaker 2>we have said, we try to answer people for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, right, but we are behind. So just have patience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we will get to your message, we promise, just

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<v Speaker 1>it might not be right away, yeah, but it will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It will happen. So anyway, until then

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<v Speaker 1>Until we catch up and message you back, stay wicked.