Speaker 1: All right, Billy Cunningham, the Great American joining you and
Speaker 1: I now is Chris Plumbo of News Nation, and Chris,
Speaker 1: welcome again into Bill Cunningham Show, and we know what's
Speaker 1: happening now with Kamala Harrison with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Let the games begin.
Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on something else with your permission,
Speaker 1: and that is I watched Brian Entton's report on News
Speaker 1: Nation the plot to kill Trump. That was the headline,
Speaker 1: and the plot normally implies, if not expresses, the idea
Speaker 1: that more than one person was involved, which at this
Speaker 1: point I don't think there's evidence to suggest there was,
Speaker 1: but there might have been because of the testimony at
Speaker 1: Christopher Ray. And so the essence of this as I
Speaker 1: understand it, according to Brian Anton of NewsNation, is that
Speaker 1: this twenty year old kid had the sophistication to buy
Speaker 1: drones and to fly them ahead of time as the
Speaker 1: rally was preparing itself. He had cars or vans that
Speaker 1: had IED's in him. That he had enough sophistication to
Speaker 1: buy the IEDs and also to buy transmitters that was
Speaker 1: found at the scene, I guess to set off the bombs.
Speaker 1: He had encrypted accounts and we found out last night
Speaker 1: or two, that each of the agencies involved, whether it
Speaker 1: was the Secret Service, so the Pennsylvania State Police or
Speaker 1: local police, each of them had radios, but no one communicated.
Speaker 1: The radios between the agencies and cell service is very
Speaker 1: weak because it was overloaded. Now, the conspiracy theories say
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden, who organized this in a sense indirectly,
Speaker 1: very indirectly, and that Chetle were kind of knowingly doing
Speaker 1: what they did, especially since according to media accounts that
Speaker 1: the murderer, the killer actually had some accounts up that
Speaker 1: seemed to indicate he wanted to kill Biden, he wanted
Speaker 1: to kill he wanted to kill Trump, and he focused
Speaker 1: on Trump with the assassination stuff for Lee Harvey Oswald. So,
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo, hopefully we'll have you on in about three
Speaker 1: to six months from now when more questions are being answered.
Speaker 1: But can you understand the complete breakdown of the Secret Service,
Speaker 1: and in fact, almost every government agency and right now
Speaker 1: is in near collapse in the viewpoint of some at
Speaker 1: the top, and that somehow can you understand how some
Speaker 1: on the Trump side may feel as if he was
Speaker 1: targeted and either the Secret Service in the top echelon
Speaker 1: knew or should have known, what was going on.
Speaker 2: How do you process it?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm in the moment, as every critical thinker should
Speaker 3: be right. You go on what you know and not
Speaker 3: what you feel. Brian Entton has no reporting to support
Speaker 3: that the shooter was connected to any group or any
Speaker 3: affiliates or any associates. In fact, they are very impressed
Speaker 3: with the lack of what they call digital exhaust from
Speaker 3: this kid, which is putting him in the category of
Speaker 3: today what they call an in cell, which is someone
Speaker 3: who's shut in, who's not socially viable, who's bitter, who
Speaker 3: was bullied, And of course that takes us to the parents,
Speaker 3: who nobody has talked about. How did they not know
Speaker 3: what was going on with this kid? And you know
Speaker 3: that part of the analysis is inconvenient, you know, for
Speaker 3: all of political appetite. So I don't know that it
Speaker 3: was anything else. I haven't seen that this kid did
Speaker 3: anything that I find impressive. What is impressive to me
Speaker 3: is that the security plan was way too lax for
Speaker 3: an outdoor event, and there is an argument to be
Speaker 3: made that his team was short staffed. I don't believe
Speaker 3: that means that Cheetle or Biden or anybody wanted Trump
Speaker 3: to get shot at, And certainly we saw the commitment
Speaker 3: from the Secret Service agents in the moment, which was
Speaker 3: extraordinary according to Trump and according to Trump's son, that
Speaker 3: nobody should say anything about the people on the stage.
Speaker 3: So the idea that there was a plan that the
Speaker 3: Secret Service was behind, well, they didn't tell the agents
Speaker 3: on the stage. So I don't think that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I think that this is in the realm of a
Speaker 3: two part process. One is, they screwed up. They didn't
Speaker 3: plan the right way, they weren't staffed the right way,
Speaker 3: they didn't care enough. Okay, that's real. The second part
Speaker 3: is that now when it happens, everybody wants to politicize
Speaker 3: it and use it for something. I'm very slow to
Speaker 3: do that because the truth is enough, and the fact
Speaker 3: that somebody tried to assassinate Trump matters, And the fact
Speaker 3: that the lefty fringe and the righty fringe immediately started
Speaker 3: having dueling idiocy, I think is a really good window
Speaker 3: and to why everything's so screwed up. There we're we're
Speaker 3: given a third of the population. Yes, right, If you
Speaker 3: take these fringe actors from social media where they live,
Speaker 3: both sides. You got about thirty three maybe forty percent
Speaker 3: of us, okay, and they dominate everything we talk about
Speaker 3: and do, And to me, it's a window into that.
Speaker 3: I like Brian's reporting. I like what News Nation is doing.
Speaker 3: You said something at the top that really nails it.
Speaker 3: When you are not transparent, you are asking people to
Speaker 3: answer the questions for you, and that is always a mistake.
Speaker 3: Christopher Ray, I thought, did a good job until the end.
Speaker 3: Now he was able to go on school to school
Speaker 3: on Chetle right. He knew, if I'm going in front
Speaker 3: of this committee, I'm not going to do what she did,
Speaker 3: that's for sure, because I want to stay in my job.
Speaker 3: So he gets in there and then yeah, there is
Speaker 3: a question as to whether or not he was shot
Speaker 3: or not. Well, you were to tell me more than that.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Why is there a question when you say shrapnel? What
Speaker 3: do you mean You're saying that the bullet may have
Speaker 3: hit something else first and split and he got hit
Speaker 3: with a piece of the bullet also known as shrapnel.
Speaker 3: What are you saying? And he knows that that's an
Speaker 3: important question. Now here's the answer I've been given by
Speaker 3: his people. Bill, Hey, we're not in charge of the ballistics.
Speaker 3: We're not in charge of that. The Secret Service is
Speaker 3: looking at that, we're looking at the plot. Now. Plot
Speaker 3: is a loaded word, right because it sounds like involving
Speaker 3: multiple people. But I also don't think it's an excuse.
Speaker 3: You don't say things that don't add to clarity. If
Speaker 3: you're in a position of accountability and Race screwed that up.
Speaker 3: I'll be shocked if his office doesn't put out information
Speaker 3: on it today.
Speaker 1: Say somewhere, because we've all seen as the shot is fired,
Speaker 1: we all see Trump take his hand, right hand put
Speaker 1: up to the side of his head.
Speaker 2: New York Times had a.
Speaker 1: Seemingly a photo of the bullet itself, Yes, whizzing past
Speaker 1: the and there's the bullet. But to have the director
Speaker 1: of the FBI say I'm not sure Trump was shot,
Speaker 1: it's like, well what.
Speaker 3: Also to have people say, you know, I keep telling people, Okay,
Speaker 3: Now tell me how you describe it if it were you.
Speaker 3: If I'm standing on that stage and somebody fires something
Speaker 3: and it ricochets off a tree, that hits a stop sign,
Speaker 3: that hits a bird, and the bird comes it hits
Speaker 3: me in the face and gives me a cut over
Speaker 3: my eye. I'm saying that someone just tried to kill me,
Speaker 3: and look at the wound I have, and this idea
Speaker 3: that well, but if it's a shrapnel or if it's
Speaker 3: a piece of glass, then it doesn't count. Is the
Speaker 3: stupidest kind of discussion to have. And by the way,
Speaker 3: where'd the glass come from? Because both teleprompter panels are intact, right,
Speaker 3: so what glass? But even if it were glass, he
Speaker 3: killed somebody. Yeah, this guy, he injured two other people
Speaker 3: and out off eight rounds. He wanted to kill the
Speaker 3: former president. That's the end of the analysis of the
Speaker 3: threat assessment. That's it, and everything else is just really
Speaker 3: just a nodge towards how screwed up we are.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure what the website GAB is. Gab.
Speaker 1: CBS News is reporting that had a GAB account. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what that is. He voiced his support for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden COVID lockdowns. He liked those, and he liked
Speaker 1: Biden's immigration policies. And the co founder, Andrew Torba, guy,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you know. Andrew Torba posted remarks
Speaker 1: made allegedly by crooks on the site per request for
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Then CBS News is also reporting that he
Speaker 1: had a Duffel bag, that he had a collapsible stock
Speaker 1: on the air fifteen, that he was carrying a range finder,
Speaker 1: which I use in golf all the time. He had
Speaker 1: these so called transmitters to transmit signals to have explosions.
Speaker 1: There was improvised explosive devices found in his cars and
Speaker 1: three were found, including one in the house. And this
Speaker 1: was going on at a time when I don't know
Speaker 1: five twenty five thousand people standing in a field, about
Speaker 1: two hundred them passed out. And the issue was asked
Speaker 1: of Christopher Ray, why was Trump allowed to mount the
Speaker 1: stage when all of these things were going on and
Speaker 1: the snipers of the Secret Service had in the crosshairs,
Speaker 1: and he was still allowed to mount the stage. And
Speaker 1: Christopher Ray is saying, I'm not sure he was shot.
Speaker 1: You put all these things together. How does a twenty
Speaker 1: year old kid have encrypted devices? How does he have transmitters,
Speaker 1: How does he have range finders? How does he have drones?
Speaker 1: How does he have Duffel bags? How does he have
Speaker 1: all this information? And there was no conspiracy, He got
Speaker 1: no help anywhere, And I guess there isn't a plot
Speaker 1: to most of us. It looks as if, either directly
Speaker 1: or indirectly, the Secret Service, the Brave Men and Women,
Speaker 1: is one on top morton charge of setting up overall security.
Speaker 1: And we're told on Wednesday or Thursday, before the before
Speaker 1: Trump was shot, that the Secret Service advanced team said,
Speaker 1: we've got to get that building covered.
Speaker 2: Right there.
Speaker 1: Everyone nod at their head, and the two guys covering
Speaker 1: the building were inside the building from the county police
Speaker 1: because on top of the building was too it was
Speaker 1: too hot. You put all this together, My god, was
Speaker 1: there a grassy knoll somewhere? And I think Trump issued
Speaker 1: a missive about Christopher Ray and if he gets elected,
Speaker 1: Ray's going to be fired immediately. But they have The
Speaker 1: director of the FBI said, there's some question whether Trump
Speaker 1: was shot feeds into the conspiracy that the government now
Speaker 1: wants to say that some shop noll er he went
Speaker 1: down and had some sort of razor baden cut his
Speaker 1: own ear.
Speaker 2: It just gives con to me. This is an utter breakdown.
Speaker 1: I look at it from the FBI perspective, the hot
Speaker 1: top echelon. They had fraudulent affidavis to get Warrens with
Speaker 1: the Pviser court. I look at the CIA when Chuck
Speaker 1: Schumer said, if you mess with the CIA, there's six
Speaker 1: ways from Sunday they're going to screw you. I look
Speaker 1: at the Secret Service, not the men and women at
Speaker 1: the rank and file level, but I look at the
Speaker 1: level of cheetle who was put there by I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess doctor Joe Biden. She's She's a blind, dumbefuddled fool.
Speaker 1: So we have Biden is now in a sense gone,
Speaker 1: Cheeto's gone. Nobody's in charge of the presidency, nobody he's
Speaker 1: in charge of the Secret Service. And the director of
Speaker 1: the FBI says, maybe Trump wasn't shot, Chris Cromo, what
Speaker 1: the hell's going on around this place?
Speaker 3: Well, Bill Cunningham is very worked up.
Speaker 2: That it angers me. It angers me, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean looking confidence at that level is very frustrating.
Speaker 3: I would be careful about not knitting pieces together that
Speaker 3: don't necessarily fit. It doesn't really matter because the look,
Speaker 3: I'm not impressed by anything this kid was able to do.
Speaker 3: It's all readily apparent. He wasn't smart enough to turn
Speaker 3: on the receivers on the devices so that they could
Speaker 3: have taken a nation single We're lucky he didn't. But
Speaker 3: obviously I'm just telling you you can go online, and
Speaker 3: I say, spare me the comments that I told people
Speaker 3: how to do this, not from you, Bill, but from
Speaker 3: the people who are listening. Everybody knows this. Nobody's learning
Speaker 3: anything from the media. Okay. People who are up to
Speaker 3: no good have done all their own. There's all this
Speaker 3: information and all this how to and all these helpful
Speaker 3: idiots on line, So nobody's learning from me. But everything
Speaker 3: this kid did, this guy did twenty years old, let's
Speaker 3: call him a man whatever. Everything he did is unimpressive
Speaker 3: to me, including his ability to get that close with
Speaker 3: the shot. Anyone who knows how to shoot the weapon.
Speaker 3: I happened to be a very poor shot, okay, and
Speaker 3: at that distance with a zeroed in scope, I'm feeling
Speaker 3: very good about myself hitting a cantalope, let alone a
Speaker 3: human being, let alone with eight rounds. And I know
Speaker 3: he was a little rushed, but we got very lucky here.
Speaker 3: And I think it's totally probable, not just possible, that
Speaker 3: he did it all himself. What matters is the pattern
Speaker 3: that I see is different than your pettern, which is
Speaker 3: that every time there's a problem, those in power, whether
Speaker 3: it's Republicans or Democrats, protect protect themselves, tell us the
Speaker 3: minimum and drive division. That's what keeps happening. No matter
Speaker 3: what the scenario is, it doesn't matter. It can be
Speaker 3: a natural disaster, a man made disaster, to be a
Speaker 3: political disaster. The people who are supposed to account to
Speaker 3: us are slow, incomplete, deceptive, and then the media factions
Speaker 3: drive their own understandings. Thank you, Yes, drive understandings. I'm
Speaker 3: doing the radio interview in a parking lot. My lady's
Speaker 3: saying hello, thank you very much. Nice to meet you too.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Now, no, don't all I'm just I'm doing
Speaker 3: a radio interview with Bill Cunningham the Great America. Thank you.
Speaker 3: She says, Hello, Bill, You've got fans in East Ampon,
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: But so, I mean, that is our consistent problem, Bill,
Speaker 3: is that our leaders don't lead. Those who are supposed
Speaker 3: to be responsible are irresponsible, and they then make the
Speaker 3: rest of us pray for opportunists. And you know, here's
Speaker 3: why they said this about this guy. And here's this agenda,
Speaker 3: here's that agenda. The secrets was screwed up here. She
Speaker 3: didn't know what she was talking about. She gave bad answers.
Speaker 3: She was deceptive, and she stepped down. The win. The
Speaker 3: win in this situation was for Biden. And yes, yes,
Speaker 3: even Harris, even Harris, I know people are gonna say,
Speaker 3: I'll give her a break.
Speaker 2: She would.
Speaker 3: She's the vice president. They're talking about her being president
Speaker 3: at the time that this was going on. Then you
Speaker 3: have a week afterwards where she is now very much
Speaker 3: in it, looking for opportunities. Harris could have said Cheetles
Speaker 3: should go. Oh, she'd be stepping out of line, stepping
Speaker 3: out of the line anyway. She's taking Biden's nomination. So
Speaker 3: why didn't she say something? Why didn't Biden fire this
Speaker 3: lady immediately?
Speaker 2: Why immediately?
Speaker 3: Because leaders aren't leading Corse, Trump's gonna get of course,
Speaker 3: Trump's gonna get rid of Christopher Ray. Christopher Ray could
Speaker 3: save Trump's daughter's life tomorrow, and he's going Chris. I
Speaker 3: mean though, even though Trump put him in. You know,
Speaker 3: let's not forget that. You know, Ray was this amazing pick,
Speaker 3: a Republican who was a legit lawmaker or everybody respected.
Speaker 3: Everybody was happy about it. Yeah, until you do one
Speaker 3: thing that the people who put you here don't like it.
Speaker 3: And then all of sudden, youre as bad as anybody.
Speaker 1: Well when he said Trump maybe wasn't shot, And all
Speaker 1: I say to those on my side of the fence,
Speaker 1: imagine if that bullet was a quarter of an inch
Speaker 1: more to the writer, or if he not turn his
Speaker 1: head to look at the immigration jod forbid. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine the country today, Chris Cuomo, if.
Speaker 3: We say what, I wouldn't be home. I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: home the funeral, somewhere where there was no I would
Speaker 3: be somewhere where there was violence, with police officers had
Speaker 3: been shot, where a local official.
Speaker 4: Had been shot, where a kid had been shot, in
Speaker 4: the crossfire of people who were maybe hopped up on drugs,
Speaker 4: maybe just hopped up on emotion and decided to act out.
Speaker 4: I'd be desperate for people to find ways to heal
Speaker 4: this country, someone to step up.
Speaker 2: We would be in it.
Speaker 3: You and I would be doing these in person, because
Speaker 3: people of good conscience would be combining to try to
Speaker 3: say what was happening.
Speaker 2: It would be a awful nightmare, That's what I'm We
Speaker 2: avoided it.
Speaker 3: And do we do with the grace of this opportunity?
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 3: What do we do with it?
Speaker 1: I think as Saint Michael the Archangels, and I pray
Speaker 1: to him every night to protect my family and my friends.
Speaker 1: I throw in Donald Trump because I'm thinking, we're not
Speaker 1: done with this yet, and I can think of this
Speaker 1: country if that bullet had taken off his head John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy style, where we would be with Joe Biden in
Speaker 1: charge of security and Cheetles in charge of the Secret Service,
Speaker 1: and Christopher Wray.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be gone. Biden is going to be gone.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, my concern is this. You know, when
Speaker 3: people talk to me about Trump, I say the following.
Speaker 3: I don't like Trump. I don't like Trump personally because
Speaker 3: of how he weaponized me during his administration and made
Speaker 3: life hard for my kids and my wife. And he
Speaker 3: was made aware of this and kept doing it, so personally,
Speaker 3: I have beef with him. I still think the New
Speaker 3: York prosecutions were unfair. I still think there's a legitimate
Speaker 3: policy debate. I think you guys should have a better
Speaker 3: change agent than Trump, but that's your choice. I am
Speaker 3: fair to him, and I am thankful I said it
Speaker 3: and I mean it that God forbid he was taken
Speaker 3: out on that day.
Speaker 2: It would have been.
Speaker 3: Worse for all of us, and people say, well, wait
Speaker 3: a way, I don't get it. I don't like Trump said,
Speaker 3: I don't like Trump, but I love him as another
Speaker 3: human being, and for his kids and his grandkids and
Speaker 3: his family everyone to be alive and able to make
Speaker 3: his case.
Speaker 2: By every indication else. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's a person. He's a person, the father, the grandfather.
Speaker 1: Well we got a rhyme.
Speaker 3: We could do this all, but don't. I don't like him.
Speaker 3: Like if it were you, Bill Cunningham, I would say,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I know what Bill Cunningham's politics are.
Speaker 3: I like Bill Cunningham, I consider him a friend. You
Speaker 3: go bad on Bill Cunningham, you have a problem with me.
Speaker 3: I don't care if I agree with what Bill was
Speaker 3: talking about about a not We are human beings first.
Speaker 3: Politics is about ideas.
Speaker 1: Not identity, right, and we need to Chris Cromo will
Speaker 1: be watching every night.
Speaker 2: Canus Nation?
Speaker 1: Once again, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show,
Speaker 1: and please let's keep these lines of communication open.
Speaker 3: Please, Bill, I am always a call away. I could
Speaker 3: be wrong ten times out of ten.
Speaker 2: I see you.
Speaker 1: You get a hug from me, and you are but
Speaker 1: that's okay, Chris Cromo, thank you, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris, God bless you.
Speaker 2: Let's continue.
Speaker 1: And I do believe in the Almighty and Saint Michael
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