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<v Speaker 1>All right, Billy Cunningham, the Great American joining you and

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<v Speaker 1>I now is Chris Plumbo of News Nation, and Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome again into Bill Cunningham Show, and we know what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening now with Kamala Harrison with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Let the games begin.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to focus on something else with your permission,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is I watched Brian Entton's report on News

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<v Speaker 1>Nation the plot to kill Trump. That was the headline,

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<v Speaker 1>and the plot normally implies, if not expresses, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that more than one person was involved, which at this

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<v Speaker 1>point I don't think there's evidence to suggest there was,

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<v Speaker 1>but there might have been because of the testimony at

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Ray. And so the essence of this as I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it, according to Brian Anton of NewsNation, is that

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<v Speaker 1>this twenty year old kid had the sophistication to buy

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<v Speaker 1>drones and to fly them ahead of time as the

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<v Speaker 1>rally was preparing itself. He had cars or vans that

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<v Speaker 1>had IED's in him. That he had enough sophistication to

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<v Speaker 1>buy the IEDs and also to buy transmitters that was

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<v Speaker 1>found at the scene, I guess to set off the bombs.

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<v Speaker 1>He had encrypted accounts and we found out last night

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<v Speaker 1>or two, that each of the agencies involved, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Secret Service, so the Pennsylvania State Police or

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<v Speaker 1>local police, each of them had radios, but no one communicated.

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<v Speaker 1>The radios between the agencies and cell service is very

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<v Speaker 1>weak because it was overloaded. Now, the conspiracy theories say

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Biden, who organized this in a sense indirectly,

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<v Speaker 1>very indirectly, and that Chetle were kind of knowingly doing

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<v Speaker 1>what they did, especially since according to media accounts that

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<v Speaker 1>the murderer, the killer actually had some accounts up that

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to indicate he wanted to kill Biden, he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to kill he wanted to kill Trump, and he focused

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<v Speaker 1>on Trump with the assassination stuff for Lee Harvey Oswald. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Cuomo, hopefully we'll have you on in about three

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<v Speaker 1>to six months from now when more questions are being answered.

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<v Speaker 1>But can you understand the complete breakdown of the Secret Service,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, almost every government agency and right now

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<v Speaker 1>is in near collapse in the viewpoint of some at

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<v Speaker 1>the top, and that somehow can you understand how some

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<v Speaker 1>on the Trump side may feel as if he was

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<v Speaker 1>targeted and either the Secret Service in the top echelon

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<v Speaker 1>knew or should have known, what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you process it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm in the moment, as every critical thinker should

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<v Speaker 3>be right. You go on what you know and not

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<v Speaker 3>what you feel. Brian Entton has no reporting to support

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<v Speaker 3>that the shooter was connected to any group or any

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<v Speaker 3>affiliates or any associates. In fact, they are very impressed

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<v Speaker 3>with the lack of what they call digital exhaust from

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<v Speaker 3>this kid, which is putting him in the category of

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<v Speaker 3>today what they call an in cell, which is someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's shut in, who's not socially viable, who's bitter, who

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<v Speaker 3>was bullied, And of course that takes us to the parents,

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<v Speaker 3>who nobody has talked about. How did they not know

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on with this kid? And you know

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<v Speaker 3>that part of the analysis is inconvenient, you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>all of political appetite. So I don't know that it

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<v Speaker 3>was anything else. I haven't seen that this kid did

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<v Speaker 3>anything that I find impressive. What is impressive to me

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<v Speaker 3>is that the security plan was way too lax for

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<v Speaker 3>an outdoor event, and there is an argument to be

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<v Speaker 3>made that his team was short staffed. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 3>that means that Cheetle or Biden or anybody wanted Trump

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<v Speaker 3>to get shot at, And certainly we saw the commitment

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<v Speaker 3>from the Secret Service agents in the moment, which was

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<v Speaker 3>extraordinary according to Trump and according to Trump's son, that

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<v Speaker 3>nobody should say anything about the people on the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>So the idea that there was a plan that the

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<v Speaker 3>Secret Service was behind, well, they didn't tell the agents

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<v Speaker 3>on the stage. So I don't think that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that this is in the realm of a

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<v Speaker 3>two part process. One is, they screwed up. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>plan the right way, they weren't staffed the right way,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't care enough. Okay, that's real. The second part

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<v Speaker 3>is that now when it happens, everybody wants to politicize

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<v Speaker 3>it and use it for something. I'm very slow to

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<v Speaker 3>do that because the truth is enough, and the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that somebody tried to assassinate Trump matters, And the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the lefty fringe and the righty fringe immediately started

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<v Speaker 3>having dueling idiocy, I think is a really good window

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<v Speaker 3>and to why everything's so screwed up. There we're we're

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<v Speaker 3>given a third of the population. Yes, right, If you

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<v Speaker 3>take these fringe actors from social media where they live,

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<v Speaker 3>both sides. You got about thirty three maybe forty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of us, okay, and they dominate everything we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>and do, And to me, it's a window into that.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Brian's reporting. I like what News Nation is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>You said something at the top that really nails it.

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<v Speaker 3>When you are not transparent, you are asking people to

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<v Speaker 3>answer the questions for you, and that is always a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Christopher Ray, I thought, did a good job until the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he was able to go on school to school

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<v Speaker 3>on Chetle right. He knew, if I'm going in front

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<v Speaker 3>of this committee, I'm not going to do what she did,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure, because I want to stay in my job.

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<v Speaker 3>So he gets in there and then yeah, there is

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<v Speaker 3>a question as to whether or not he was shot

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<v Speaker 3>or not. Well, you were to tell me more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is there a question when you say shrapnel? What

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<v Speaker 3>do you mean You're saying that the bullet may have

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<v Speaker 3>hit something else first and split and he got hit

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<v Speaker 3>with a piece of the bullet also known as shrapnel.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you saying? And he knows that that's an

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<v Speaker 3>important question. Now here's the answer I've been given by

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<v Speaker 3>his people. Bill, Hey, we're not in charge of the ballistics.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not in charge of that. The Secret Service is

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<v Speaker 3>looking at that, we're looking at the plot. Now. Plot

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<v Speaker 3>is a loaded word, right because it sounds like involving

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<v Speaker 3>multiple people. But I also don't think it's an excuse.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't say things that don't add to clarity. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a position of accountability and Race screwed that up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be shocked if his office doesn't put out information

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<v Speaker 3>on it today.

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<v Speaker 1>Say somewhere, because we've all seen as the shot is fired,

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<v Speaker 1>we all see Trump take his hand, right hand put

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<v Speaker 1>up to the side of his head.

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Seemingly a photo of the bullet itself, Yes, whizzing past

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<v Speaker 1>the and there's the bullet. But to have the director

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<v Speaker 1>of the FBI say I'm not sure Trump was shot,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, well what.

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<v Speaker 3>Also to have people say, you know, I keep telling people, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Now tell me how you describe it if it were you.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm standing on that stage and somebody fires something

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<v Speaker 3>and it ricochets off a tree, that hits a stop sign,

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<v Speaker 3>that hits a bird, and the bird comes it hits

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<v Speaker 3>me in the face and gives me a cut over

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<v Speaker 3>my eye. I'm saying that someone just tried to kill me,

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<v Speaker 3>and look at the wound I have, and this idea

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<v Speaker 3>that well, but if it's a shrapnel or if it's

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<v Speaker 3>a piece of glass, then it doesn't count. Is the

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<v Speaker 3>stupidest kind of discussion to have. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>where'd the glass come from? Because both teleprompter panels are intact, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so what glass? But even if it were glass, he

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<v Speaker 3>killed somebody. Yeah, this guy, he injured two other people

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<v Speaker 3>and out off eight rounds. He wanted to kill the

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<v Speaker 3>former president. That's the end of the analysis of the

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<v Speaker 3>threat assessment. That's it, and everything else is just really

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<v Speaker 3>just a nodge towards how screwed up we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not sure what the website GAB is. Gab.

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<v Speaker 1>CBS News is reporting that had a GAB account. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what that is. He voiced his support for

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden COVID lockdowns. He liked those, and he liked

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's immigration policies. And the co founder, Andrew Torba, guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe you know. Andrew Torba posted remarks

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<v Speaker 1>made allegedly by crooks on the site per request for

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. Then CBS News is also reporting that he

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<v Speaker 1>had a Duffel bag, that he had a collapsible stock

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<v Speaker 1>on the air fifteen, that he was carrying a range finder,

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<v Speaker 1>which I use in golf all the time. He had

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<v Speaker 1>these so called transmitters to transmit signals to have explosions.

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<v Speaker 1>There was improvised explosive devices found in his cars and

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<v Speaker 1>three were found, including one in the house. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was going on at a time when I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>five twenty five thousand people standing in a field, about

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred them passed out. And the issue was asked

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<v Speaker 1>of Christopher Ray, why was Trump allowed to mount the

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<v Speaker 1>stage when all of these things were going on and

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<v Speaker 1>the snipers of the Secret Service had in the crosshairs,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was still allowed to mount the stage. And

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Ray is saying, I'm not sure he was shot.

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<v Speaker 1>You put all these things together. How does a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>year old kid have encrypted devices? How does he have transmitters,

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<v Speaker 1>How does he have range finders? How does he have drones?

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<v Speaker 1>How does he have Duffel bags? How does he have

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<v Speaker 1>all this information? And there was no conspiracy, He got

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<v Speaker 1>no help anywhere, And I guess there isn't a plot

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<v Speaker 1>to most of us. It looks as if, either directly

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<v Speaker 1>or indirectly, the Secret Service, the Brave Men and Women,

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<v Speaker 1>is one on top morton charge of setting up overall security.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're told on Wednesday or Thursday, before the before

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was shot, that the Secret Service advanced team said,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to get that building covered.

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<v Speaker 2>Right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone nod at their head, and the two guys covering

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<v Speaker 1>the building were inside the building from the county police

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<v Speaker 1>because on top of the building was too it was

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<v Speaker 1>too hot. You put all this together, My god, was

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<v Speaker 1>there a grassy knoll somewhere? And I think Trump issued

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<v Speaker 1>a missive about Christopher Ray and if he gets elected,

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<v Speaker 1>Ray's going to be fired immediately. But they have The

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<v Speaker 1>director of the FBI said, there's some question whether Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was shot feeds into the conspiracy that the government now

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<v Speaker 1>wants to say that some shop noll er he went

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<v Speaker 2>It just gives con to me. This is an utter breakdown.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at it from the FBI perspective, the hot

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<v Speaker 1>top echelon. They had fraudulent affidavis to get Warrens with

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<v Speaker 1>the Pviser court. I look at the CIA when Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer said, if you mess with the CIA, there's six

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<v Speaker 1>ways from Sunday they're going to screw you. I look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Secret Service, not the men and women at

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<v Speaker 1>the rank and file level, but I look at the

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<v Speaker 1>level of cheetle who was put there by I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess doctor Joe Biden. She's She's a blind, dumbefuddled fool.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have Biden is now in a sense gone,

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<v Speaker 1>Cheeto's gone. Nobody's in charge of the presidency, nobody he's

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the Secret Service. And the director of

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI says, maybe Trump wasn't shot, Chris Cromo, what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell's going on around this place?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Bill Cunningham is very worked up.

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<v Speaker 2>That it angers me. It angers me, Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean looking confidence at that level is very frustrating.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be careful about not knitting pieces together that

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily fit. It doesn't really matter because the look,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not impressed by anything this kid was able to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all readily apparent. He wasn't smart enough to turn

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<v Speaker 3>on the receivers on the devices so that they could

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<v Speaker 3>have taken a nation single We're lucky he didn't. But

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<v Speaker 3>obviously I'm just telling you you can go online, and

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<v Speaker 3>I say, spare me the comments that I told people

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<v Speaker 3>how to do this, not from you, Bill, but from

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<v Speaker 3>the people who are listening. Everybody knows this. Nobody's learning

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<v Speaker 3>anything from the media. Okay. People who are up to

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<v Speaker 3>no good have done all their own. There's all this

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<v Speaker 3>information and all this how to and all these helpful

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<v Speaker 3>idiots on line, So nobody's learning from me. But everything

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<v Speaker 3>this kid did, this guy did twenty years old, let's

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<v Speaker 3>call him a man whatever. Everything he did is unimpressive

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<v Speaker 3>to me, including his ability to get that close with

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<v Speaker 3>the shot. Anyone who knows how to shoot the weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>I happened to be a very poor shot, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>at that distance with a zeroed in scope, I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 3>very good about myself hitting a cantalope, let alone a

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<v Speaker 3>he was a little rushed, but we got very lucky here.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's totally probable, not just possible, that

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<v Speaker 3>he did it all himself. What matters is the pattern

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<v Speaker 3>that I see is different than your pettern, which is

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<v Speaker 3>that every time there's a problem, those in power, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's Republicans or Democrats, protect protect themselves, tell us the

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<v Speaker 3>minimum and drive division. That's what keeps happening. No matter

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<v Speaker 3>what the scenario is, it doesn't matter. It can be

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<v Speaker 3>a natural disaster, a man made disaster, to be a

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<v Speaker 3>political disaster. The people who are supposed to account to

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<v Speaker 3>us are slow, incomplete, deceptive, and then the media factions

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<v Speaker 3>drive their own understandings. Thank you, Yes, drive understandings. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing the radio interview in a parking lot. My lady's

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<v Speaker 3>saying hello, thank you very much. Nice to meet you too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Now, no, don't all I'm just I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>a radio interview with Bill Cunningham the Great America. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>She says, Hello, Bill, You've got fans in East Ampon,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But so, I mean, that is our consistent problem, Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>is that our leaders don't lead. Those who are supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be responsible are irresponsible, and they then make the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of us pray for opportunists. And you know, here's

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<v Speaker 3>why they said this about this guy. And here's this agenda,

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<v Speaker 3>here's that agenda. The secrets was screwed up here. She

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know what she was talking about. She gave bad answers.

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<v Speaker 3>She was deceptive, and she stepped down. The win. The

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<v Speaker 3>win in this situation was for Biden. And yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give her a break.

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<v Speaker 2>She would.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the vice president. They're talking about her being president

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<v Speaker 3>at the time that this was going on. Then you

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<v Speaker 3>in it, looking for opportunities. Harris could have said Cheetles

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<v Speaker 3>should go. Oh, she'd be stepping out of line, stepping

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<v Speaker 3>out of the line anyway. She's taking Biden's nomination. So

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<v Speaker 3>why didn't she say something? Why didn't Biden fire this

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<v Speaker 3>lady immediately?

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<v Speaker 2>Why immediately?

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<v Speaker 3>Because leaders aren't leading Corse, Trump's gonna get of course,

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's gonna get rid of Christopher Ray. Christopher Ray could

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<v Speaker 3>save Trump's daughter's life tomorrow, and he's going Chris. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean though, even though Trump put him in. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>let's not forget that. You know, Ray was this amazing pick,

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<v Speaker 3>a Republican who was a legit lawmaker or everybody respected.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody was happy about it. Yeah, until you do one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that the people who put you here don't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then all of sudden, youre as bad as anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Well when he said Trump maybe wasn't shot, And all

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<v Speaker 1>I say to those on my side of the fence,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if that bullet was a quarter of an inch

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<v Speaker 1>more to the writer, or if he not turn his

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<v Speaker 1>head to look at the immigration jod forbid. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the country today, Chris Cuomo, if.

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<v Speaker 3>We say what, I wouldn't be home. I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>be somewhere where there was violence, with police officers had

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<v Speaker 3>been shot, where a local official.

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<v Speaker 4>Had been shot, where a kid had been shot, in

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<v Speaker 4>the crossfire of people who were maybe hopped up on drugs,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe just hopped up on emotion and decided to act out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd be desperate for people to find ways to heal

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<v Speaker 2>We would be in it.

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<v Speaker 3>You and I would be doing these in person, because

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<v Speaker 2>It would be a awful nightmare, That's what I'm We

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<v Speaker 3>And do we do with the grace of this opportunity?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it?

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<v Speaker 3>What do we do with it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think as Saint Michael the Archangels, and I pray

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<v Speaker 1>to him every night to protect my family and my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I throw in Donald Trump because I'm thinking, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>done with this yet, and I can think of this

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<v Speaker 1>country if that bullet had taken off his head John F.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy style, where we would be with Joe Biden in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of security and Cheetles in charge of the Secret Service,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be gone. Biden is going to be gone.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, my concern is this. You know, when

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<v Speaker 3>people talk to me about Trump, I say the following.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like Trump. I don't like Trump personally because

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<v Speaker 3>of how he weaponized me during his administration and made

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<v Speaker 3>life hard for my kids and my wife. And he

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<v Speaker 3>was made aware of this and kept doing it, so personally,

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<v Speaker 3>I have beef with him. I still think the New

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<v Speaker 3>York prosecutions were unfair. I still think there's a legitimate

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<v Speaker 3>policy debate. I think you guys should have a better

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<v Speaker 3>change agent than Trump, but that's your choice. I am

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<v Speaker 3>fair to him, and I am thankful I said it

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean it that God forbid he was taken

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<v Speaker 3>out on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Worse for all of us, and people say, well, wait

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<v Speaker 3>a way, I don't get it. I don't like Trump said,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like Trump, but I love him as another

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<v Speaker 3>human being, and for his kids and his grandkids and

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<v Speaker 2>By every indication else. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a person. He's a person, the father, the grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we got a rhyme.

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<v Speaker 3>We could do this all, but don't. I don't like him.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if it were you, Bill Cunningham, I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I know what Bill Cunningham's politics are.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Bill Cunningham, I consider him a friend. You

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<v Speaker 3>go bad on Bill Cunningham, you have a problem with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care if I agree with what Bill was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about about a not We are human beings first.

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<v Speaker 3>Politics is about ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>Not identity, right, and we need to Chris Cromo will

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<v Speaker 1>be watching every night.

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<v Speaker 2>Canus Nation?

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and please let's keep these lines of communication open.

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<v Speaker 3>Please, Bill, I am always a call away. I could

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<v Speaker 3>be wrong ten times out of ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I see you.

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<v Speaker 1>You get a hug from me, and you are but

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay, Chris Cromo, thank you, thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Chris, God bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's continue.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do believe in the Almighty and Saint Michael

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<v Speaker 1>the Archangel saved Donald Trump, Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven

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