1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk pets. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to Animal Rights on at Life Radio. It's your host, 4 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:14,080 Tim Link and I'm so glad you're joining us today. 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,519 Super duper excited. Got one of my favorites on. It's 6 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,079 been a minute or two we're talking Offline's like, oh 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,879 my god, time flies. So yes, what my mom and 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,800 dad used to say is true. But we're so glad 9 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:27,879 to have her back. We got Kate Kantak coming back 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,679 on the show. You know, we're gonna talk to Kate 11 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:33,079 about her latest book, Claws Out. Of course, it's part 12 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:36,799 of the Cat Cafe mystery series, so we want to 13 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:39,240 see what the ins and outs are without giving it 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,880 all away. See who maybe some existing characters, we know, 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,799 some new characters on board. And then of course we 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,840 won't let Kate off the hook without telling her how 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,399 she masters her craft of writing. So it's gonna be 18 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:54,719 a great show, a lot of fun. So everybody hang tight. 19 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,000 We'll come back and write off this commercial break. You're 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,880 listening to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: You know the expression cats have nine lives? Well, what 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,439 if you can give them one more? 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Kate, welcome back to the show. 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: Hi, Fin, thanks for having me. 36 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:03,319 Speaker 1: We're super duper excited to have you back on and 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,079 super excited for the latest book, Claws Out or the 38 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:10,639 Cat Cafe mystery series. So tell us a little bit 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,719 about this particular book and yeah, give us the highlights. 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, this book was a fun one to write. So 41 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:19,199 I decided that the gang had to get off the 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,400 island because you know, in true cabitcoat fashion, there were 43 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:25,800 a lot of dead people in a very small amount 44 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,800 of square footage. So Maddie ended up getting gifted a mobile, well, 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,360 a food truck, that they turned into a mobile cat 46 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,039 cafe slash food cafe, and so they take this truck 47 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:39,879 off the island and they go to the Provincetown Cat 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,879 Literary Festival, where of course murder and mayhem and Sue 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,479 and a famous author is murdered and all kinds of 50 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:48,680 problems arise. 51 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:50,879 Speaker 1: I love that, you know, and whether we're on the 52 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,719 island or off the island, if your famous person don't 53 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:56,960 go yep, one hundred percent. Oh my goodness. So tell 54 00:02:57,039 --> 00:02:59,120 us a little bit about how this book maybe is 55 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:01,439 a little bit different in or how they tie into 56 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:05,199 the rest of the Cat Cafe mystery series. How do 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,039 we go out doing that? 58 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a little different, but you know, it's 59 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:11,479 still the same people. We've just got a limited amount 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,599 of the normal crew. Mattie's entire family ended up coming 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,599 for the trip, and of course Lucas, her boyfriend, and 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,479 some of the shelter people, so Adele and Harry, who 63 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,000 end up being big parts of the mystery. So you know, 64 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:27,199 you're still going to see a lot of the same characters. 65 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,000 They're just not going to be in their usual place 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,439 and they're meeting a whole bunch of new, new friends 67 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:35,080 that you know are going to become part of the 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,400 story as well this time. 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: Good and maybe even become part of the casualties possibly, 70 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:44,120 you know, you never know, never know, never know, you 71 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:46,560 never want to get. It's great to be friends with 72 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,599 your main character, but it's also forewarn if you know 73 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:51,719 read in advance, you never know. 74 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's always worried that her boyfriend's going to start 75 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,400 wondering like, hmm, should I actually be dating this girl? 76 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:01,039 Speaker 1: Well, I'll just leave it dad, the audience decide that. 77 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:04,400 So when putting together this particular part of the series, 78 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,280 this particular book claws out picking your brain on that 79 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:10,159 and tying it into a whole series, how do you 80 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:12,800 determine what the next steps are? I mean, are you 81 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:15,439 that far in advance where you're saying, okay, I already 82 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:16,879 got the next two or three books because I have 83 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,519 an idea where I want my main characters to go. 84 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,160 Or is it something that pops up in your mindset 85 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,360 or in today's society and newspapers. Newspapers I'm dating myself 86 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:27,560 are and. 87 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: I'm little I'm a newspaper girl too. No, it's interesting. 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,519 So this book was the last one on the contract 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,759 that I had currently, I did get a contract for 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,879 two more, so more books are coming, so don't worry. 91 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,800 But this was the last one. So it was a 92 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,120 three book contract, which has has been routinely what my 93 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,079 contracts have been. So I have been planning out the 94 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,680 books in kind of that three book arc. Right, it's 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,360 related to the characters and their arcs and what they're doing. 96 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:56,160 And so for this one, I you know, I didn't 97 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:58,680 really I honestly didn't think that they weren't going to 98 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,839 renew the contract. So I did write this book as 99 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,680 if it was going to be, you know, a potential 100 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:04,519 end of a series. So that's something that we have 101 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,199 to think about as we're getting to the end of 102 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 a contract. So do we write two endings? You know, 103 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:11,480 one of the series keeps going and one of it doesn't. 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Do we leave it ambiguous enough that, you know, we 105 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,519 can maybe go in and make a few edits if 106 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,480 it doesn't and we have to close the loop on things. 107 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,000 I actually didn't, honestly didn't give that a thought when 108 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,800 I was writing this one. I wanted them to go 109 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,079 on a new adventure. I still had a lot of 110 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,079 ideas for what Maddie and her crew could get up 111 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,040 to so you know, I was hopeful, and it looks 112 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,920 like the publisher also felt that way. So there's more 113 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,000 books coming, so I didn't have to worry about wrapping 114 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,000 it up so much. I did wrap up one storyline. 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,279 It was related to a secondary character, one of Maddie's 116 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,399 family members, had a storyline that was running through the 117 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,279 last couple of books, So that gets wrapped up in 118 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:47,839 this one. 119 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. I picking your brain on that, because you know, 120 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 I have talked to obviously numerous authors, and a lot 121 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,160 of times when there is say a series, a three 122 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,360 book deal is usually the normal way of going. But 123 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,079 I never after all these I've been doing this show. 124 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,800 I started when I was very young, of course, but 125 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:06,639 all the years I've been doing this show, I never 126 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,519 even thought about that, and the fact that, hey, you know, 127 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,519 as a writer, do I just assume that contract ends 128 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,639 and maybe they'll buy a new series of mine or something, 129 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:19,319 or do like you said, do I write two endings 130 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:22,360 that could go either way? So if they do re 131 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:25,399 up me for another one, two, three more, I've got 132 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:27,519 it in the can ready to go. So I think 133 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,279 it's very fascinating to know that Yeah. 134 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: It's you know, you got to think about these things, right, 135 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,879 because if I don't think a lot of readers understand 136 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:36,680 that we don't have the say, oh, you know, unless 137 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,120 we're independently published, we don't have the say over whether 138 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,839 a series is going to continue or not. And I've 139 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:44,560 seen in you know, multiple social media threads readers expressing 140 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,240 real dismay that you know, their series ended, their favorite 141 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,399 series ended, and they didn't feel like they got resolution, 142 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,639 and almost you know, seeming like they were angry at 143 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:55,720 the author for doing that. And we have to kind 144 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,319 of go in there and say, hey, if it was 145 00:06:57,399 --> 00:06:59,720 up to us, we'd keep going forever. But it's not 146 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,399 up to us, and we don't always have the notice 147 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,040 right to you know, plan for that. 148 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's so many things as an author that 149 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:09,800 you go through because you know it is in the 150 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:13,120 publishers slash editor's hands on what they want to do. 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,160 They don't often let you know well in advance so 152 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,959 you can prep for it for that to happen. And 153 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,720 also how do you handle that situation because you know, 154 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:25,800 you don't want to go killing off the main character 155 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,519 and we know we never kill off animals andless kids 156 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:31,040 that's a no no in all circles and all rounds. 157 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:33,720 But the main character, you know, or even a secondary character, 158 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,040 you don't want to just our literuily say okay, I 159 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,720 need to wrap them up, unless this is the uh 160 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,879 science fiction or horror book that we're dealing with where 161 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,120 they always come back to life. But in this case, 162 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:47,040 that's not true for this type of mystery, right. 163 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, with a cozy, you know, people want to 164 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,240 know at the end of the day. People. I think 165 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,720 greet cozy is because at the end of every book, 166 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,399 they want to know that even if they're reading about 167 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,040 this you know, murder and this crime and this terrible 168 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,279 thing that happened, that they're going to get justice and 169 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:02,560 they're going to get a nice, happy ending tied up 170 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,759 in a boat and you know it's ten x for 171 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:06,759 the series. They want to know if their series is 172 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:10,759 ending that all these people are okay, justice and order 173 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,560 has been restored to town and everyone's good and they're 174 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:15,079 you know, writing off into the sunset. 175 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,199 Speaker 1: I love that, and I love that terminology. Explain that 176 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,800 to the audience a little bit more. I'm not saying 177 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,279 they're naive to it, but a cozy, you know, I 178 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:26,079 don't hear that very often, especially when we're talking about 179 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,639 series of books, mystery series of books. But your books are, 180 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,679 you know, really cozies. Explain that a little bit to us. 181 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they call them so cozy. It's a 182 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:37,639 you know, it's a subgenre of the mystery genre. And 183 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,840 they're really just books that are there's no less of 184 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,919 a crime involved, there's no less of a puzzle or 185 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,399 a murder involved. They're just you know, you're not going 186 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,759 to find a lot of gore on the page in 187 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:51,600 a cozy. Usually, well most ninety nine and a half 188 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,039 percent of the time. I don't think I've ever seen 189 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:55,440 a cozy that didn't have any amateur slut solving the mystery. 190 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,039 They take place in small communities, so whether that be 191 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,720 an actual small time or a small community within a 192 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:04,919 larger town. And you know, again, the whole premise is 193 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,240 that justice is going to be restored. So you're not 194 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,200 going to get one of these really sad endings or 195 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,759 these really ambiguous endings related to the crime itself, because 196 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,840 that's just the deal that cozy writers and readers have together. 197 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,399 Speaker 1: Nice nice So putting together this particular book is part 198 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:25,440 of the series. Did you purposely go in to write Okay, 199 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:29,759 here's the consistency, here's how I saw written the previous two, 200 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:32,240 here's how I've written the characters. Did you follow that 201 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:35,279 sort of script moving forward or was it something that 202 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,240 was there a new twister or a new thought you had, 203 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:40,200 because obviously you've been writing these for a little while now, 204 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,159 and you started very very young of course too like me. 205 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,440 How'd you go about doing that? And is there some 206 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,279 difference in this particular one or can everybody expect the 207 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,000 sort of the same flow with similar characters and things. 208 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, again, it's a little different 209 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:58,240 because they're not in their typical space, but the soul 210 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,399 of the books and the series it has not changed 211 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,399 at all. Right, So Maddie and Grandpa are still doing 212 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,320 the investigating, there's still a lot of family involvement. There's still, 213 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,279 you know, a lot of things happening that you would 214 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:13,080 expect to see on Daybreak Island itself. There's still a 215 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,399 ton of animals involved, so Jj of course comes off 216 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,879 island with them, as do some of the cafe cats 217 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:21,440 because they're coming in the mobile truck. So you still 218 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,919 get the animal expertise going on in there, and then 219 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,320 the plot itself is centered around a cat literary festival, 220 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,360 so you know, cats are still at the heart of things, 221 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,840 rescue is still at the heart of it. The organizers 222 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:38,200 are a fundraising organization. The organizers of the lit festival 223 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,799 are a fundraising organization as well as authors that write 224 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:43,879 about cats, so you know, the heart of the series 225 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:46,080 remains the same. But I just thought it would be 226 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,559 fun to get them into a different location and doing 227 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,440 some different things. And this time I took them to 228 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,639 a real town, so I had to be a little 229 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,440 bit more diligent about, you know, making sure that everything 230 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,879 made sense and that I'm actually going to Provincetown this 231 00:10:57,919 --> 00:11:00,480 week for a visit after a horse in the book. 232 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:02,120 But I haven't been there in a long time, so 233 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,639 I'm like, wow, I hope, I I hope I don't 234 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,279 screw up the you know, streets and the landmarks. And 235 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,600 so I have a friend who goes all the time 236 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:11,879 kind of walk me through, like Okay, this is still 237 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:14,440 here and this works over here, and you know, it's 238 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,840 hard working with a real place. I haven't done that ever, 239 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,399 just as it's a lot of work. 240 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Because the other books are you know, I 241 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,039 guess I viewed them as sort of a real place. 242 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,200 You know, it is like not real, but based on 243 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:30,840 something that's real. And and I've always loved your writing 244 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,000 in the fact that you know, you have the main 245 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,919 characters that we know and love, and obviously there's tons 246 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,559 of animals involved, but each one of them seems to 247 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,399 have a voice and a purpose for being here. It's 248 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,960 just not you know, arbitrarily. Okay, we got our we 249 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:46,159 got our leave, we got Grandpa there, we got the 250 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,000 boyfriend and a dog, and okay, let's throw out some 251 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,639 other animals in hereby I'll be happy. They all seem 252 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,159 to have a purpose or a reason for being in 253 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,120 that particular conversation at the time. 254 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, and JJ. You know, I don't know if I 255 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:01,039 ever told you the story about Jay, the real JJ, 256 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:04,000 but so JJ in the book is based on a 257 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,360 cat that I had. He was a rescue His real 258 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,679 name was Junkyard Johnny. He was rescued from a junk 259 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:11,240 yard in New Hampshire, and he was just the chunky 260 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,360 orange cat. You know, I love I'm a sucker for 261 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:15,960 orange cats, so I knew he had to be the 262 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,519 you know, the mascot of the books. But yeah, the 263 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 way that Matty even found JJ in the very first 264 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,360 book at her grandmother's grave was meaningful, right, And you know, 265 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,840 I've always wanted to I've always wanted the books to 266 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:30,759 be meaningful in the sense of really focusing on rescue, 267 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:34,159 focusing on you know, what rescuers actually go through, and 268 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,480 focusing on the animals themselves and how they have to 269 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:41,960 live until they're rescued and what that means as a cause. Right. 270 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:44,600 I think people sometimes think, oh, the cute cats in 271 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,320 the cafe, but nine times out of ten, again, I 272 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,440 don't know of any cat cafes that aren't tied to 273 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,080 an actual rescue. So there's, like you said, a meaning 274 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,279 and a purpose behind it. 275 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, And I love that. I love 276 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,519 the aspect of it. And I will say I'm a 277 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,000 sucker for orange cats. To my story about my orange 278 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,320 boy Charles is he showed up one day as I 279 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,559 thought he was a Farrell, but he just was the 280 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:09,799 town greeter for all the females, We'll just put it 281 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:12,919 that way. And so I started giving Charles, the big 282 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,080 orange cat, a little morsels, a little food. Next thing, 283 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,440 I know, he brings us three females with him, and 284 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,399 then a week later we have about nine kittens and 285 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,919 me will say, yeah, thirteen cats later, all trapped, neutered 286 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,960 and released, and they all started to stay at the house. 287 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,919 So I love those orange boys. We gotta be careful 288 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:33,879 for them, their rascals. 289 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but thank you for fixing them. That's lovely. 290 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely do that neutering and Spain take care of those 291 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,559 animals for sure. Yep, everyboddy hangti. We're gonna come back. 292 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,840 Wrap this commercial break, we'll continure conversation with award winning 293 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,559 author Kate Kante. Talk to her a little bit more 294 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,919 about her book, Claws Out, and then I want to 295 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,320 pick her brain even further about writing. Yeah, it's she 296 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,799 a five thirty am girl every morning writing ten thousand words. 297 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,679 Everybody hangtight. We'll find at rafter this commercial break. 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You'll thank me at bedtime. 318 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,919 Speaker 4: Let's talk past, Let's contalk about life. 319 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:14,279 Speaker 3: Radio headline Radio atlive radio dot com. 320 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:17,159 Speaker 1: And welcome back to Animal Lights on pet Life Radio. 321 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:22,200 Tenure conversation with award winning author Kate Kante or Lady's 322 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,240 book Claws Out. So Kate, when people get a copy 323 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:27,799 of the book, cozy up with it and read straight 324 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,399 through because they're going to be fantastic. What do you 325 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,559 hope people walk away from when reading this particular book 326 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:34,759 or reading this series. 327 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to go back to the rescue piece 328 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:39,679 that we were just talking about. I'm so passionate about that, 329 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,279 and I really want people to First, I want them 330 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:44,440 to enjoy the book. I want them to be entertained. 331 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,440 I want them to enjoy going back to visit friends 332 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,519 that they have made, hopefully over the series and you know, 333 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,600 catching up on their lives and going on a new 334 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:55,159 adventure with them. And I also hope they can take 335 00:15:55,159 --> 00:15:58,600 away some tidbits about rescue and like I said about, 336 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:02,399 you know, how rescuers were, what it means to actually 337 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:05,720 do animal rescue, because sometimes it looks really fun and 338 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,039 easy on the outside, but it is not. I mean, 339 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,399 it's fun always, but it's not easy, right, That's all right, 340 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:14,480 And to just you know, maybe think a minute before 341 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,679 looking somewhere other than a shelter for a pet. 342 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's all kinds of fantastic animals out there of 343 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:25,000 all types, cats, dogs, and the plethora that can be 344 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,320 found at your local rescues. And yeah, it's very rewarding. 345 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,919 As a former president of a humane society, I know 346 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,960 that it's very rewarding. And I still am heavily evolved 347 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,000 in animal rescue, but you know, it's a lot of 348 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,159 tear jerking and heartache as well, but that goes along 349 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,840 with all the love. And I always encourage people with 350 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:47,080 rescues to get involved with your local rescues at a 351 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,759 grassroots level and offer whatever you can. It could be 352 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:54,879 anything from petting and brushing the animals to if your 353 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:58,399 skill set is website development, they need those type of 354 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:01,200 people too, or fundraise or et cetera, et cetera. So 355 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:04,680 definitely reach out to your local rescusing and get involved. 356 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,640 You'll be glad you did. 357 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: Yes. 358 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about writing in general. 359 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,359 I put a teaser out there. Are you in fact 360 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,559 the five thirty am the alarm goes off and I 361 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:16,799 was going to say, pen and pencil. I'm really dating 362 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:19,720 myself on this show. Computer in hand, ready to go 363 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,519 doing those ten thousand words or is it more of 364 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,920 a hopefully you're not like me and wait till a 365 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,839 few weeks before deadline and then say, oh no, I 366 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:28,920 gotta go get it going. 367 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: I've had my deadline challenges, believe me. I think every 368 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,839 writer has. But you know I usually don't wait till 369 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,759 three weeks before the book is due to start writing 370 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,119 the book. That would be a scrups. 371 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: Very smart, very smart, smarter than I am. 372 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: But I'm not a five thirty in the morning girl. 373 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,279 I do get up pretty early. I have a morning 374 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,359 routine that I do, and but part of that routine 375 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,039 is I leave my laptop on the floor next to 376 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:51,960 my bed. I know, when I was supposed to have 377 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:53,880 laptops in the bedroom and all that, but for me, 378 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,680 it's easier to just reach down and pick the laptop 379 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,680 up and start writing instead of having a walk into 380 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,079 my office get the computer. I mean, then you could 381 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,519 just easily say, oh, I'll do it later, right, So 382 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,640 I have to trick myself into, you know, being able 383 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,160 to do things very easily. So I do try to 384 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,680 write in the morning. I have at least an hour 385 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,559 blocked off before I take the dogs for a walk. 386 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:15,920 I wish I could do ten thousand words in an hour. 387 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,759 That would be amazing and I would probably have the 388 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:22,359 book done in like a month, but unfortunately no. But 389 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,319 I do try to shoot for like a thousand words 390 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:26,480 a day. And you know, it's different for every writer. 391 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Some some people don't do word count. It depends on 392 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,200 where I am in the book really, so when I'm drafting, 393 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,960 I try to shoot for a thousand words a day 394 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:35,400 just to kind of keep myself in the story. 395 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: Nice. I like that. Yeah, And it is different for 396 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,759 every author, you know. I don't know if I've ever 397 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:42,160 heard the one you put the put the laptop or 398 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,599 the pad where you'll trip on it in the morning 399 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:47,519 so you can get the story of it. That's a first. 400 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:50,720 So you're unique as usual on that. But there's no 401 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,920 set reasoning or way of going back doing that. And 402 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,079 that's why I always like picking the brains of the 403 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,079 professionals out there, because there's no right or wrong as 404 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,079 long as you get it you know, in there and 405 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,279 get it published. That's the key behind it, exactly. 406 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: I say that to a lot of writers that I 407 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,440 work with, like, you know, don't worry, but I'll tell 408 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,039 you how I do it, but don't worry about doing 409 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:13,880 it like I do it. If that does work for you, 410 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,559 right here a thousand different examples, if you talked to 411 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:17,519 with a thousand different. 412 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: Writers exactly, Yeah, everything from you know, there are some 413 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,200 authors that I talk to and work with that you know, 414 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,599 they storyboard everything out before they even start, which is 415 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:29,200 great if you can do that, and others are you know, 416 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:31,960 per you know X number of words, they're going to 417 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,279 stick to it. Some will say they never watch what 418 00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:38,359 they're typing, worry about the editing later, which I find 419 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,160 extremely difficult to do. And so there's no real ride 420 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,440 wrong reason too. It just got to do it. That's 421 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,519 the key thing behind it. 422 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:48,839 Speaker 3: Yep. Consistency and just showing up even if you know, 423 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,160 and also taking the time to think and to brainstorm 424 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,039 about your work. Right a lot of people, and I 425 00:19:54,079 --> 00:19:56,799 do this myself, so I'll speak for myself. I get 426 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,720 hung up on the oh my god, I didn't write 427 00:19:58,839 --> 00:20:01,319 X amount of words today. No, but I spent you know, 428 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,200 forty five minutes thinking through my plot and planning out 429 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,559 some scenes that I was missing or whatever. It is 430 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,240 right to help me tomorrow when I pick up the 431 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:13,400 computer to go faster and be able to get more done. So, yeah, 432 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,480 it's not always just putting words on the page. If 433 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,079 you're thinking about it or daydreaming about it, it's still. 434 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,839 Speaker 1: Writing, absolutely absolutely, and there's always the research that goes 435 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,799 behind it too. Like you and just mentioned, you know, 436 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,480 you're going to a real place you know, which you've 437 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,920 had to sort of still keep it sort of a 438 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,559 fictitious place but a real tan. So you have to 439 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:34,759 get all the uh, you know, the information correct too, 440 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:37,920 So it's not as easy as just you know, Wikipedia, 441 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,000 how I wus down is you got to put a 442 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,039 little bit more effort into it there, for sure. So 443 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,400 as a writer, whether it's a first time writer that's 444 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,640 out there or even a season pro that maybe has 445 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,039 taken on a different type of genre or whatever it 446 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:55,640 may be, any sage advice outside of do what works 447 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,039 for you. 448 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you're tackling a different genre 449 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:00,680 or if you're a new writer, you know, you have 450 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,200 to come to it with the beginner's mindset. Right, It's 451 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,000 not going to be and I'm saying this perfection thing 452 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:08,559 because this has been my issue for so long. You 453 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,480 can't come to it with a perfectionist mindset. You have 454 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:13,559 to come to it with a beginner's mindset. You have 455 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:16,000 to know that the first draft that you put down 456 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,160 is going to be probably crap, but then you have 457 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,359 something to work with so you can get hung up 458 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,279 on oh my god, my first chapter isn't perfect, and 459 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:24,319 never write any farther than that, or you can brain 460 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,079 dump a bunch of crap and then go back and 461 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:30,480 use it as a canvas and make it sound great. So, 462 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,799 you know, I'm working on a different type of book 463 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,799 right now. That's different for me. I haven't written a 464 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:36,839 book like this in a long time, and so I 465 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,759 have to remind myself it's not going to be great 466 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:40,119 right out of the gate. You're going to have to 467 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,880 do a few drafts of this thing before it takes 468 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,880 any kind of shape at all. So just get the 469 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,480 story down and stop worrying about it. 470 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: I love it, and I love how you phrase it. 471 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,839 So brain dump crap? Is that the professional terminology? 472 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: That's my professional terminology. 473 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: Yet there you go. But you put it on a canvas. 474 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:57,440 You know, it makes it nice. You know, it's like 475 00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:01,839 Picasso or something. So it works out. Well, that's fantastic. Well, Kate, 476 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,759 where can people find out more about you? What's going on, 477 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,839 where you'll be, where we can get the book? 478 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: So on and so yeah, So Kateconti dot com. You 479 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:13,039 can find me there and you'll find links on the 480 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:16,559 website to my podcast, my substack, all the books, all the. 481 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: Things, fantastic, serverybody go to Kateconte dot com. We'll make 482 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,200 sure we get that posted. Pick up a copy of 483 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:24,599 Claws Out, and while you're there, pick up the rest 484 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,279 of the Cat Cafe mystery series. You're going to enjoy it. 485 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,559 It's a nice, fun, interesting mystery series with all kinds 486 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,440 of animals, and it's a nice cozy too, so it 487 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,319 works out for everybody. So pick up a copy of 488 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:39,880 the book. Yeah, so thanks for coming on the show 489 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,599 and all look forward to chatting with you some more 490 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:43,119 down the road. 491 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 492 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,279 Speaker 1: Well, we're coming to the end the show today. I 493 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,799 want to thank everyone for listening to Animal Lights on 494 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,319 pet Life Radio. I want to thank the producers and 495 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,559 sponsors for making this show possible. Do you have any questions, comments, 496 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:56,839 or ideas for the show, drop us a line at 497 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:59,920 petlife radio dot com. We'll be glad to answer your questions, 498 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,359 entertain your comments, and bring on the people you want 499 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,799 to hear from. 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