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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Welcome back to another episode of the Typical
Speaker 1: Skeptic podcast. I got my guest with me. I'm going
Speaker 1: to bring him to the stage in the second. He
Speaker 1: has an amazing story I wrote tonight on the Typical
Speaker 1: Skeptic podcast. Excuse me, welcome's first time guest, Justin Dobenmeyer,
Speaker 1: better known as the Blind Exorcist, for a serious investigation
Speaker 1: into Christian exorcism, demonic oppression, deliverance, trauma, and spiritual warfare.
Speaker 1: Justin is completely blind, but he believes his physical blindness
Speaker 1: has not prevented him from realizing confirming forces most people
Speaker 1: cannot see. According to Justin, his journey began after and
Speaker 1: during nearly thirty years of what eventually came to understand
Speaker 1: as the demonic oppression and possession. His personal deliverance experience
Speaker 1: introduced him to renowned extressist Bob lars And, whose techniques
Speaker 1: he studied before completing formal training at the International International
Speaker 1: School of Exorcism. Today, Justin describes himself as a certified
Speaker 1: Christian exorcist and deliverance minister. He conducts sessions, virtually, hosts
Speaker 1: the Blind Exorcist podcast, and interviews people who say they
Speaker 1: have a experienced spiritual torment, demonic oppression, and freedom through
Speaker 1: Christian deliverance. Tonight will investigate how completely blind Man became
Speaker 1: an exorcist, Justin's personal battle with spiritual oppression. His own
Speaker 1: experience is undergoing exorcism training methods of Bob Larson. How
Speaker 1: exorcists identified demonic activity. The difference is between temptation, oppression, attachment,
Speaker 1: and possession, and whether trauma can create spiritual vulnerabilities, generation,
Speaker 1: general crisis and spiritual open doors and a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know. Yeah, So I'm bringing him to the
Speaker 1: stage now, and Justin, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on for the first time. How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me Rob, And
Speaker 4: hello to everyone watching. I'm excited to be here and
Speaker 4: coach train and answer questions. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think how someone I interviewed Dark Waters and I
Speaker 1: put like one of our one of the recent interviews
Speaker 1: I did with Dark Waters. I reposted it and then
Speaker 1: I think someone from Dark Waters Entertainment saw that and
Speaker 1: they reached out to me about having you on. And
Speaker 1: then when I heard your story, I was fascinated with it.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like entity attachments myself. You know
Speaker 1: and still might be here and there. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to understand what it is you know.
Speaker 4: Understood.
Speaker 1: So what happened? How did you end up blind? Where
Speaker 1: have you been blind your whole life? For what happened?
Speaker 4: I have not. I lost my eyes sight from type
Speaker 4: one diabetes and when I was seventeen years old, so
Speaker 4: I got my license. When I was sixteen, I was like, yes, independence,
Speaker 4: So I drove for six months, started having complications. It's
Speaker 4: called diabetic hypnopathy. This happened in the late eighties, and
Speaker 4: I went for laser treatments on both of my eyes,
Speaker 4: and the treatments blinded me. So by age seventeen, I
Speaker 4: was completely blinded.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry you had to go
Speaker 1: through that. That's horrible.
Speaker 4: You know, It's been one of the best gifts I've
Speaker 4: ever received life, Strangely, Yes, it was challenging. Yes, I
Speaker 4: lost my identity. Yes I was depressed, but processing through
Speaker 4: grief outstanding experience throughout my life.
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever heard of mindsight like
Speaker 1: they practiced at the current side games like I reinterviewed
Speaker 1: you guys names Hakeem Meisler, and he says, there they're
Speaker 1: actually practicing something at the side, games called mindset, where
Speaker 1: people are actually seen with their mind abilities. Would you
Speaker 1: would you agree with that that's a thing and is
Speaker 1: that kind of what happens with you?
Speaker 4: Well, no, I wouldn't say that for me. Just to
Speaker 4: give a little bit of background in context here, because
Speaker 4: my story is a bit bizarre. After going blind, I
Speaker 4: attended university as a blind student for a degree first
Speaker 4: in social work. Two and a half years I was
Speaker 4: and social work and trained a lot about family dynamics,
Speaker 4: family functions, family systems, dysfunction within families, childhood trauma, all
Speaker 4: the foundational psychological frameworks like Rogerian, Freudian, all those guys right,
Speaker 4: so active listening, all this stuff. I use those skill sets.
Speaker 4: I was taught in exorcism because most people I work
Speaker 4: with come from trauma. I will get into this, but
Speaker 4: demons enter through trauma. That's one way, okay. I transferred
Speaker 4: to computer programming and I actually worked as a software
Speaker 4: engineer for twenty five years before I retired. I'm fifty
Speaker 4: four years old now and I worked on all Microsoft technology.
Speaker 4: I was in Azure Cloud, I program micro services. I
Speaker 4: trained programming teams on domain driven design, So I was
Speaker 4: a trainer for a lot of my career. And the
Speaker 4: reason I mentioned this is because I am a rational, logical,
Speaker 4: critical thinker, so it's not natural for me to believe
Speaker 4: in the supernatural. I am forced into this through my
Speaker 4: personal experiences. So that's just a little bit of again,
Speaker 4: like if I'd ever had personal severe paranormal conditions and
Speaker 4: actual demon possession myself, I would be a skeptic and
Speaker 4: believe that this is not true. But yeah, this is
Speaker 4: how I kind of got into this.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you one question before we get into
Speaker 1: the demonic president Easem? I'm sure the audience wants to
Speaker 1: know this, like how is it like getting around and stuff?
Speaker 1: Like how do you I mean, like, do you have
Speaker 1: like computer software that iss iss you? Or do you
Speaker 1: have people that assist you? Or like is it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sure absolutely. I love to teach people how
Speaker 4: I do what I do. I use a Windows laptop desktop,
Speaker 4: just like anyone else. I install software on there. It's
Speaker 4: called JAWS for Windows. JAWS for short. It is an
Speaker 4: audible voice that reads everything to me on the screen.
Speaker 4: So when I type the word, it speaks every keypress
Speaker 4: tune me out. The computer speakers tche and then I
Speaker 4: hit the space bar. It says space. So this is
Speaker 4: how I was able to code as someone who's blind.
Speaker 4: If A is less than B, do this else, do that, right.
Speaker 4: So code programming is nothing but text source code. Right.
Speaker 4: So this is how I use technology. Emails come in,
Speaker 4: it's read to me. I use an iPhone. It comes
Speaker 4: with a built in screen reader. That's what this technology
Speaker 4: is called screen reader. It's a computerized voice that reads
Speaker 4: the screen to you. Thus, screen reader and all Apple
Speaker 4: devices come with voiceover where you can turn on. You
Speaker 4: can just tell Siri turn on voiceover and it'll start
Speaker 4: speaking to you and you can turn it off. But
Speaker 4: my text messagers are all read audibly. I don't know
Speaker 4: Braille because when I started university in the mid nineties
Speaker 4: there was a lot of talking technology already there. And
Speaker 4: so getting around, I have been trained to use a cane,
Speaker 4: so I use a white cane and you know, kind
Speaker 4: of tap around. I do use sited guides and fortunately
Speaker 4: for me with my computer programming background, I love AI.
Speaker 4: I use AI a lot, and the blind community is
Speaker 4: very excited about AI because, for example, we have smart
Speaker 4: glasses that are coming. They'll be out here in a
Speaker 4: couple of months, very similar to meta glasses by Facebook,
Speaker 4: but they're specifically made for the blind so that we
Speaker 4: can read a book. We can flip page by page,
Speaker 4: and the glasses as a camera in a center, takes
Speaker 4: a picture and reads it to us, so we can
Speaker 4: sit and read a book. If something we dropped on
Speaker 4: the ground we can't find, the glasses can look around
Speaker 4: and guide us to that object. Oh yeah, it gets better.
Speaker 4: We got it. And I encourage everyone to find this
Speaker 4: on YouTube and watch this. You will be blown away.
Speaker 4: There's a device called Glide. It's made by a company
Speaker 4: called Glidance, and I believe their website is glidence dot io.
Speaker 4: But anyhow, this device is one hundred percent AI driven
Speaker 4: and it's a replacement if people desire, which of course
Speaker 4: I do, for seeing eye dogs or canes. And it's
Speaker 4: got very awesome cameras on it. It's on large like
Speaker 4: eight inch wheels and you just hold it with your
Speaker 4: hand and the AI guide you literally keeps you on sidewalks.
Speaker 4: You can walk through the mall. It'll walk you around people.
Speaker 4: It will walk you to a door right by the
Speaker 4: handle and stop. It has vibration modes that you know
Speaker 4: if something's low hanging, it might vibrate once. So they've
Speaker 4: come together and created this device where literally, as a
Speaker 4: blind person, I could hold onto this and go jogging.
Speaker 4: So this is revolutionary for blind travel. So I use
Speaker 4: Uber a lot to get around. But where I'm going,
Speaker 4: I'm going to friend zones, family homes, speaking events, so
Speaker 4: people are already waiting for me. But when I get
Speaker 4: this device, if I want to go to the mall
Speaker 4: and jump out and wear these smart glasses that will
Speaker 4: read menus to me store names, and hold onto this
Speaker 4: glide device and walk through the mall, I literally can
Speaker 4: independently go into a mall and go shopping entirely by myself.
Speaker 1: Wow, I got a question for your accent. Sounds familiar?
Speaker 1: Are you from Pennsylvania by any chance?
Speaker 4: I'm from Ohio Northeast.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you got the You got the Pittsburgh unser
Speaker 1: type accent, Like I can sense it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I know that accent anywhere you know
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely a Pittsburgh, Ohio accent. Right?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: So Who's who's your football team?
Speaker 4: Do you have a football Do you like the I
Speaker 4: love the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I always have. Yeah. Oh nice cool, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I was raised in Youngstown, Ohio, a suburb of Youngstown,
Speaker 4: but it was a big steel still city, Youngstown.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: We made a lot of uh all kinds of stuff
Speaker 4: for World War two. So it's like this big steel city.
Speaker 4: All the steel mills shut down. But because of that
Speaker 4: Steel Association and the Pittsburgh Steelers that whole steel equals steel.
Speaker 4: A lot of people in this northeast Ohio toward Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: love the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you excited about the new coaches here? Just
Speaker 1: before we get into the well McCarthy, and do you
Speaker 1: like the fact that Aaron Rodgers might be coming back?
Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah, And to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: it's hard for me. I'll be honest, I am so
Speaker 4: busy as an exorcist. I don't have a whole lot
Speaker 4: of time to continue to follow. But I'm gonna make
Speaker 4: it a point. I told myself this this fall, I've
Speaker 4: got to get back and pick it back up.
Speaker 1: The Steelers. Yeah, so let's talk about your And that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's so cool that I can sense that accent. It's
Speaker 1: it's weird.
Speaker 4: You know, where are you from?
Speaker 1: I'm from Pittsburgh, Penncil. I'm twenty minutes north of the
Speaker 1: city and you know around like the Lower Boro, Cantanning,
Speaker 1: New Kensington. I'm just doing around that area.
Speaker 4: I used to work in Cranberry, Pennsylvania for a software company.
Speaker 1: I know where Cranberry is. Yeah, I know. I used
Speaker 1: to go to school out at Laroche and okay, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like got in North Hilda.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, Pittsburgh's great.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I I went through a kidney transplant in January twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one right in the middle of COVID and I
Speaker 4: got transplanted at UPMC wow pitch work. Yeah great.
Speaker 1: How do you meet Dark Waters because he's from the Louisiana.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he's from Louisiana. U. He reached out to
Speaker 4: me and asked if I come on a show for
Speaker 4: an interview, and I said absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: I like he's I've always deemed him as the master storyteller,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think he really is.
Speaker 1: I lovely for reason, dude. I never listened to my
Speaker 1: old stuff back again, but like I.
Speaker 6: Could always go with one of my interviews. You know,
Speaker 6: I love that dude for some resacity. He's a cool, dude,
Speaker 6: He's great. I love interviewing with them and we still
Speaker 6: keep in touch too.
Speaker 4: So it's it's interesting because they'll reach out to me
Speaker 4: and ask me if I can work with someone or
Speaker 4: you know, because he has a lot of people that
Speaker 4: talk to him, you know, that have entity attachments or demons,
Speaker 4: and so you know, a lot of people have reached
Speaker 4: out to me since that interview with them, and I've
Speaker 4: been working with people and helping them out.
Speaker 1: Man, dude, that that's kind of what's going on with me,
Speaker 1: and I definitely I think we should probably go into
Speaker 1: your your your your general your story of the paranormal first,
Speaker 1: but I'll just tell you what I've been dealing with
Speaker 1: for the past two years, on and off. I've been
Speaker 1: dealing with something it feels like astral parasites, and then
Speaker 1: it's on and off, like it seems to like amp
Speaker 1: up during the full moons, and then it goes away
Speaker 1: and then it'll come back like obviously I'm normal. I'm me,
Speaker 1: Like obviously I'm not possessed right now or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but like I go to bed tonight if I you know,
Speaker 1: I try to listen to certain clearings because it feels
Speaker 1: like there's like a like an astral snake in my bed.
Speaker 1: Then it splits up into like astral parasites and it'll
Speaker 1: try to like, you know, like kind of like loose
Speaker 1: feet off me or something.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Understand.
Speaker 1: I have so many friends who are energy healers and everything.
Speaker 1: Everybody's tried to get it out of here, and it
Speaker 1: just seems to persist. Like you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a portal open or what's going on, but you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely. And then the other night it felt
Speaker 1: like the entities were going in my ears and eyes
Speaker 1: and stuff. When it was a full minute, it was
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to do. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's on and off though you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not all the thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understood, understood.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of something like that?
Speaker 4: Oh I've heard it all, brother, There's nothing you can
Speaker 4: tell me that I haven't heard. Okay, just be honest
Speaker 4: with you. So you got to understand that, and that
Speaker 4: you know I come from a Christian worldview, right, So yeah,
Speaker 4: obviously I'm gonna present information to everyone watching. Yes, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm going to talk paranormal and everything, but you know,
Speaker 4: I'm always going to come back to Jesus Christ in
Speaker 4: a Christian worldview, and so you know, just I encourage
Speaker 4: people keep an open mind. You know, I talk with
Speaker 4: people in the New Age all the time. They book
Speaker 4: I offer free twenty minute consultations, So I've had New
Speaker 4: Age practitioners book sessions with me just to come talk.
Speaker 4: I'm very chill, and I think most people who are
Speaker 4: into these practices have had trauma in their life, so
Speaker 4: they're trying to find something to bring healing to that trauma.
Speaker 4: And so you know, it's it's a way that people
Speaker 4: try to find healing. But from I work with people
Speaker 4: all the time. Like I just work with a client
Speaker 4: that you know, she'd been in fifty different New Age practices.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you're familiar with that term
Speaker 4: New Age, but it's just these conglomerate of practices that
Speaker 4: spiritual practices, right that are supposed to bring peace to people.
Speaker 4: So it's interesting and I shared this on a Dark
Speaker 4: Waters interview. You know, it's like when I meet with
Speaker 4: these clients, I said, you know, there shouldn't be a
Speaker 4: need for you to have ten practices or fifteen or
Speaker 4: fifty plus practices to maintain peace, like these should work,
Speaker 4: like you should be able to find one practice and
Speaker 4: that should bring you peace that lasts like this shouldn't
Speaker 4: keep breaking, so then you've got to go to the
Speaker 4: next one, and then that works for a little and
Speaker 4: it stops. Then you go to the next one and
Speaker 4: that works for a little and then it stops. So
Speaker 4: people are trying to find peace, so they use a
Speaker 4: spiritual practice for so long and it stops working. So
Speaker 4: then they go to the next and the next and
Speaker 4: the next. And from a Christian worldview, what happens is
Speaker 4: they're looking for that golden thread to tie all of
Speaker 4: this together to try to bring emotional healing right to
Speaker 4: the trauma stay've experience. So it's like, Okay, we're going
Speaker 4: to do reiki energy healing. Then we're going to do
Speaker 4: crystal work. Then we'll do mindfulness meditation, and we'll do
Speaker 4: the law of attraction. I mean, on and on. It
Speaker 4: goes like there's so many practices out there. I don't
Speaker 4: even try to keep up with them all because my
Speaker 4: clients that come, they just there's so many. But what
Speaker 4: happens is eventually people come to the place where nothing's
Speaker 4: helping and nothing's permanent. They don't have permanent, unbreakable peace,
Speaker 4: so they start having a lot of paranormal problems, and
Speaker 4: the distant cleansings aren't working, and people coming in and
Speaker 4: doing sage cleansing isn't working, and so they're tormented, and
Speaker 4: they're tormented by demons because a lot of these spiritual practices,
Speaker 4: as crazy as it sounds, opens people up to demons,
Speaker 4: and demons have one purpose vexing and tormenting. So this
Speaker 4: is why a lot of times people in these practices.
Speaker 4: I work with energy healers SPAM where they do an
Speaker 4: energy healing session and they've blacked out and they can't
Speaker 4: get out of bed for two days, and so then
Speaker 4: they contact their their guru and says, what's happening, Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe try cleansing ceremony or you know,
Speaker 4: put salt down in the four corners. But they're literally
Speaker 4: in bed for two days and can't even get out,
Speaker 4: can't even move. So they come, Yeah, they come to me,
Speaker 4: and they're like, what's going on? So you've got demons
Speaker 4: and this is what's so crazy and interesting about this man.
Speaker 4: These people are good people everybody that I talk to
Speaker 4: that's into these practices, they're compassionate people, man, They're kind,
Speaker 4: they want to help people, they want to help themselves.
Speaker 4: So it's not like these are Satanists that are going
Speaker 4: out and do an animal sacrifice and summoning Lucifer and
Speaker 4: casting black curses on people, right, these are people who
Speaker 4: really want to truly help, and so in their mind
Speaker 4: when when as a Christian exercise say these are demons,
Speaker 4: it's like, how could this be demons? Because I've seen
Speaker 4: it help my clients, So you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: hard for people to understand that there's demons when they see,
Speaker 4: for example, somebody get healed during reiki energy healing session,
Speaker 4: or like I always use this example because it's so good. Man.
Speaker 4: A guy came to give me a quote on air
Speaker 4: conditioning for my house, and he's like, he goes, have
Speaker 4: you ever heard a doctor so and so? And I
Speaker 4: said no, he goes, oh, man, he's an energy healer.
Speaker 4: So he said, there's like five hundred people in a
Speaker 4: room and they're all meditating and tapping in a universal energy.
Speaker 4: And there was a guy there in a wheelchair and
Speaker 4: he stood up and he was completely healed, like literally
Speaker 4: fully healed. I said, okay, I said, I'm a Christian exorcist,
Speaker 4: and he was like, you're kidding me. I said no,
Speaker 4: and he's like, I was raised Roman Catholic. I said, well,
Speaker 4: then you understand exorcism. I said, you want my perspective
Speaker 4: on that. He was like yeah, I said okay. So
Speaker 4: these people are meditating, and there's five hundred of them there,
Speaker 4: and they're drawing on this energy and they're wanting somebody
Speaker 4: to get healed. This man in the wheelchair has a
Speaker 4: demon in him that causes the infirmity to keep him
Speaker 4: in the wheelchair. So Satan standing there in the room
Speaker 4: and he looks at that demon of infirmity and says,
Speaker 4: when I tell you to let go of that man's
Speaker 4: body and come out, you're gonna do it. So they're
Speaker 4: all meditating, what they think building up universal energy. Satan
Speaker 4: standing in the background with a smirk on his face,
Speaker 4: and then he points to that demon of infirmity and says,
Speaker 4: loose his spine and come out of them. The guy
Speaker 4: jumps up, I'm healed. I'm healed now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: five hundred people may never learn about Jesus Christ and
Speaker 4: they're on a journey of energy, universitial consciousness, oneness, and
Speaker 4: the whole time Satan is loving it because they've been deceived. Now,
Speaker 4: first of all, let me say to everyone watching, thank
Speaker 4: you for your patience. I he'm a Christian exorcist. And
Speaker 4: I know sometimes this can sound offensive. I'm not meaning
Speaker 4: it to be in any way, shape or form. I'm
Speaker 4: just sharing perspective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like to get all perspectives, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, especially for myself. It's been going on
Speaker 1: for like, you know, like a while now, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like, you know, I, yeah, like
Speaker 1: how did you get into this? Like how did you
Speaker 1: get into the field? Like what started in it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So back to my logical, critical thinking mind. I
Speaker 4: was raised in a Christian home, but it never really
Speaker 4: did anything for me. I think a lot of people
Speaker 4: can relate to that. And so at nineteen I had
Speaker 4: a severe case of peracarditis. I almost died. And it
Speaker 4: was at that point that I became a Christian because
Speaker 4: I'm like, when you face sincere death at nineteen, You're like,
Speaker 4: this is serious. So I need to figure this out.
Speaker 4: So I chose Christianity, and so I surrendered my life
Speaker 4: to Christ. And it wasn't a couple weeks past that
Speaker 4: that severe paranormal demonic attacks started in my life. And
Speaker 4: when I say severe, Rob, I mean severe. I'm not
Speaker 4: talking like this is okay. I'm talking like demons come
Speaker 4: into my room, caused tomonic sleep paralysis, jump on top
Speaker 4: of me, choke me, scratch me, rip me off of
Speaker 4: my bed. We're rolling around on the floor. I've got bruises,
Speaker 4: knocking night stands off. This is how severe the demon
Speaker 4: possession was that I had. It was bad and because
Speaker 4: of this, I was forced to accept the reality of
Speaker 4: demons and so my demon possession and this is on
Speaker 4: my podcast. Everyone listening, you can check out The Blind
Speaker 4: Exorcist to listen to episode one. It's my actual story.
Speaker 4: If you're interested, no pressure, I'm not here to market
Speaker 4: my podcast, okay. I just wanted to mention it because
Speaker 4: people are interested, like, how did you get into this?
Speaker 4: So I had a friend one time, he was a
Speaker 4: missionary and he had went to Hong Kong and he
Speaker 4: had seen demon possession over there where people were foaming
Speaker 4: at the mouth, eyes rolled back in their head, and
Speaker 4: he came back from that mission trip and he was
Speaker 4: talking to me, and I was We're in my parents'
Speaker 4: basement at the time. This is shortly after I was
Speaker 4: a Christian at nineteen. I might have been twenty at
Speaker 4: this time. So he said, you want me to pray
Speaker 4: for you and I said sure, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I know I have demons. I just I don't know
Speaker 4: how to get rid of them. Well, when he started
Speaker 4: praying for me, a demon took me over. I blacked out.
Speaker 4: I had no consciousness of it whatsoever, and it looked
Speaker 4: out my eyes, which are completely blind, and it said
Speaker 4: to my friend, now, this is from my friend Bill.
Speaker 4: He explained this to me afterwards when I came back
Speaker 4: to consciousness. But this demon looked through my eyes and
Speaker 4: looked at Bill and said, what a pretty pink shirt.
Speaker 4: And he had a pink shirt on.
Speaker 1: Whoa, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay, it's fine, man.
Speaker 1: He's like, your eyes are blind.
Speaker 4: So it means exactly, and it sent chills up my friend.
Speaker 4: He don't know what he's doing. He's not an exorcist.
Speaker 4: He has and so this is the type of severe
Speaker 4: paranormal conditions I had in my life. So glasses moving
Speaker 4: across the kitchen, count from one side to the other.
Speaker 4: This was like next level, and not everybody has this
Speaker 4: level of possession. So I went to these pastors in
Speaker 4: these churches, and they said Christians can't have demons, so
Speaker 4: they couldn't help me. And the thought never crossed my
Speaker 4: mind to go to a Catholic church and ask for
Speaker 4: an exorcist. It just never crossed my mind ever. And
Speaker 4: I'm convinced it was because of the demons in me
Speaker 4: keeping me from having that awareness, and so I suffered
Speaker 4: for many years. I got married in college. Demons would
Speaker 4: come out in my marriage. My wife knew about it,
Speaker 4: and we would just pray together and Jesus help us,
Speaker 4: you know, this type of thing. But eventually I found
Speaker 4: doctor Bob Lars and I think I was forty eight
Speaker 4: years old and I lost my kidneys to so I
Speaker 4: was at stage five kidney failure. Oly shit, yeah, stage five.
Speaker 4: Man had no clue. They told me. I went through
Speaker 4: a real nasty divorce. And one thing about me is
Speaker 4: I'm very wrong real, especially on the podcast we don't
Speaker 4: like play Christian ey Churchy. I mean, we're just wrong, real, bro.
Speaker 4: This is the streets like this is the real deal
Speaker 4: with all my interviews are where I take people through
Speaker 4: exorcism and I interview them and their case studies and
Speaker 4: we talk about there before and after story. All these
Speaker 4: people were credible too. I'm talking like intelligence officers that
Speaker 4: worked in the federal government, sports psychologists, therapists, all that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. I work with therapists as well on
Speaker 4: the team to help clients that have psychological mental health
Speaker 4: conditions plus demons. So I handle the demon in they
Speaker 4: hand the therapian. But you know, just it was just
Speaker 4: a severe case, and I found Larson. I was at
Speaker 4: stage five kidney failure and went through a divorce as
Speaker 4: a raging alcoholic man. For five years. I was drinking
Speaker 4: a gallon of Captain Morgan rum a week. Holy shit,
Speaker 4: I'm not even kidding. And I was fully functional. I'm
Speaker 4: getting employee bonuses, I'm meeting all my deadlines at work.
Speaker 4: You know, I worked remotely. No one knows even drunk.
Speaker 4: I was completely functional, which is terrible. So five years
Speaker 4: of that it ruined my kidneys, so I know I
Speaker 4: have demons. I still get visited by him during this time,
Speaker 4: all the time, coming in, choking me, throwing me out
Speaker 4: of bed, I'd wake up with claw marks, bite marks.
Speaker 4: My kids are experiencing this too, right, my kids are
Speaker 4: being woke up by demons hovering over. I'm pinning them down,
Speaker 4: knocking on the walls, you know, you name it, all
Speaker 4: this madness, Like this stuff, unfortunately for my kids, is
Speaker 4: completely normal. Like demons have been a part of their
Speaker 4: life and my life forever, not now, because we've all
Speaker 4: been through exorcism and cleaned this up. But here's where
Speaker 4: I found Bob Larson. Dude, I'm on my knees, literally
Speaker 4: sobbing because I'm gonna die, dude, stage five kidney failure.
Speaker 4: I'm forty eight years old, I'm right in the middle
Speaker 4: of my career, making good money, raising four kids, and
Speaker 4: it's like, you're gonna die, Okay, So I'm on my knees,
Speaker 4: and I said, God, here's this is all I can
Speaker 4: tell you is, first of all, I'm sorry for all
Speaker 4: of this. I've done this damage. But if you can
Speaker 4: heal my kidneys, or if you can bring me a donor,
Speaker 4: I will be an exorcist. Because when I was a kid,
Speaker 4: at seven years old, I was at the church with
Speaker 4: my parents and this traveling minister right in the middle
Speaker 4: of a sermon, points to me out of the crowd
Speaker 4: and says, You're going to bring deliverance and emotional healing
Speaker 4: to many people. I had no clue what it meant.
Speaker 4: I had no clue what he was talking about. But
Speaker 4: what he was saying was exorcism and emotional healing to
Speaker 4: people was what God was going to use me in.
Speaker 4: So through my years, remember I became a Christian at nineteen,
Speaker 4: and so through my years of Christianity, all these people
Speaker 4: would come up to me and say, I have demons?
Speaker 4: Can you pray for me? Like, I'm not even seeking
Speaker 4: this out. I didn't know what I was doing. I
Speaker 4: had no training, so I'd say, yeah, I'll pray. I'll
Speaker 4: do the best I can. You know, I had no training.
Speaker 4: So I'm on my knees praying to God. Tell him, look,
Speaker 4: I'll be an exorcist if you heal my kiddies. I said,
Speaker 4: but I got demons, and help me. I got to
Speaker 4: get rid of these demons. And as I'm saying this
Speaker 4: prayer in my mind, I hear Bob Larson. Now I
Speaker 4: haven't heard of this man since I was nineteen years
Speaker 4: old and I'm forty eight years old. I stood up
Speaker 4: off my knees and I said, Bob Larson, there is
Speaker 4: no way this dude is alive. Like, I'm thinking, this
Speaker 4: is nuts, Like I don't know where this came from,
Speaker 4: but God, if it's you, we're going to find out.
Speaker 4: So I open up Google, I type in Bob Larson,
Speaker 4: and not only is he alive, he's the number one
Speaker 4: world renowned Protestant exorcist. Wow, And I said, WHOA. So
Speaker 4: I started working with Larsen and I worked with him
Speaker 4: pretty much weekly sometimes but bi weekly for fourteen months
Speaker 4: to read myf of the demons that I had. After that,
Speaker 4: during that time with him, he trained me because I
Speaker 4: told him I want to do this, so he trained
Speaker 4: me himself. Then I took his International School of Exorcism
Speaker 4: and Advanced Academy of Deliverance. So these are like forty
Speaker 4: courses taught in like a college university format. And then
Speaker 4: I shadowed senior exorcist had been doing this like fifteen
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five years that he had trained for a
Speaker 4: year and a half, so they would coach me train me.
Speaker 4: I worked with everything you can think of, satanic ritual abuse, victims,
Speaker 4: disassociative identity disorder, where people have multiple personalities. I had
Speaker 4: a ton of training in that. So I go through
Speaker 4: all this stuff Rob and at the end, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just going to throw this out here
Speaker 4: and start helping people. And I put up the Blind
Speaker 4: Exorcist podcast and my website's justin d dot com and dude,
Speaker 4: within no time, it was on like Donkey Kong bro
Speaker 4: and it's been moving ever since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been training people of like, oh, demonica
Speaker 1: pression kind I guess, like it's like, is it and
Speaker 1: how prevalent would you say, demaric oppression is out there?
Speaker 1: Like in the world?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: Are a lot of people's I mean, especially now, it
Speaker 1: seems like right, because it seems like people are kind
Speaker 1: of awakening or like consciousness is raising, maybe the veils thinning,
Speaker 1: you know, so a lot of these factors play into
Speaker 1: you know, more spirits being in the world, not just spirits,
Speaker 1: but more demons being in the world, and more people
Speaker 1: being bothered. So I'm guessing you're probably pretty busy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty busy, you know. And the thing is,
Speaker 4: is it really it? We live in an age of spirituality, right,
Speaker 4: I Mean, this isn't nineteen fifty anymore. This is an open,
Speaker 4: wide array of spirituality, and everybody is truth seeking, and honestly,
Speaker 4: each of us really are on a healing journey. We
Speaker 4: may not call it that way, but you know, we
Speaker 4: want to find truth and we want to find healing
Speaker 4: for the traumas we've experienced in life. And so naturally
Speaker 4: people are going to gravitate towards spirituality because it is
Speaker 4: part of us. We're not just emotions and thought and
Speaker 4: rational critical thinking where all we need is therapy. There
Speaker 4: is a sincere spiritual part of each of us that
Speaker 4: desires a connection with the supernatural, that desires a connection
Speaker 4: with something to help give us guidance and most importantly peace.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's very prevalent. There's tons of stuff we
Speaker 4: can get involved in. Like even when I was really
Speaker 4: angry at my going through my divorce, so it was
Speaker 4: a raging alcoholic I mean, dude, I studied terrified of
Speaker 4: Buddhism for five years, the ty Forrest tradition, and I
Speaker 4: mean I was totally into this, trying to find peace
Speaker 4: right for the suffering I was going through. But so
Speaker 4: to answer your question, yeah, yeah, I think the veil
Speaker 4: is then I think that people have at their fingertips
Speaker 4: in their hands and their phone. They have anything they
Speaker 4: want under the sun. And so I just work with
Speaker 4: the woman that put an app on her phone where
Speaker 4: she could have her own sexual experience, and she pulled
Speaker 4: up a script to read aloud where she summoned demon.
Speaker 1: She summoned, that's insane, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care about swearing, bro, that ain't nothing
Speaker 4: to trust me. My ears aren't virgins, Okay.
Speaker 1: I did. It was just a while that she wanted
Speaker 1: to have like a personal sexual experience, and she ended
Speaker 1: up demons.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. And so she summons Lolith and this incabus
Speaker 4: Incabbis is a male sex spirit. It's very well documented,
Speaker 4: and I cast it out of people. Lots of this
Speaker 4: spirit comes to her. She conjured it and has sex
Speaker 4: with her. Now, what this actually is is the demon
Speaker 4: makes them feel like they're being penetrated, and it does
Speaker 4: bring them to orgasm. But it's a paranormal phenomena. It's
Speaker 4: not actual sexual intercourse like a human being would have.
Speaker 4: It's really manipulation of the mind. Because when you summon
Speaker 4: a demon, it comes into your mind, and your mind
Speaker 4: is your emotions and your thoughts. So when it's in you,
Speaker 4: it can make you feel and think anything. WHOA, yeah,
Speaker 4: so that I mean, dude, I mean it's in lists
Speaker 4: the things that people seek for pleasure, because when people
Speaker 4: are suffering, say they've been raped and or molested, or
Speaker 4: incest in the family, or say betrayal, you know, or abandonment.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're just raised by a single parent, or they're
Speaker 4: put in foster care and they've been abused all through
Speaker 4: foster care. These people are suffering and they are going
Speaker 4: to try to find relief, and oftentimes that relief comes
Speaker 4: through pleasure, even though it's temporary. So that's why there's
Speaker 4: such a high rate of like pornography, addiction, or in
Speaker 4: this case with this young woman, it was let's summon
Speaker 4: a demon of incombuss and have sex with it so
Speaker 4: I can have pleasure and get an escape from my pain.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yes, sir. So again this goes back to
Speaker 4: my social work training. Man, I'm all about trauma informed exorcism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, this is hell. You like, what, what what
Speaker 1: is the most common that you see with people? Like
Speaker 1: what are people mostly experiencing?
Speaker 4: Would you say, well, I think most of the people
Speaker 4: I work with are female most men. I do work
Speaker 4: with males quite a bit actually, but men are pRIFLE.
Speaker 4: They they don't want to open up. Right there, I
Speaker 4: got this, I got I'm got this under. I don't
Speaker 4: need exorcism, I don't need therapy. I'm fine, right, I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna go work and make money and leave me alone.
Speaker 4: Women are quite different. They're very open, they are honest,
Speaker 4: and they really are real. Okay, they did. The women
Speaker 4: that I work with the reason they come into the
Speaker 4: majority of people, to answer your question that I work
Speaker 4: with are people who have went out into New Age
Speaker 4: practices to find peace because of the traumas, the rapes,
Speaker 4: the incests, the abandonments, the the suicides that they've experience
Speaker 4: experienced life. You know, family members who have committed suicide, boyfriends, husbands,
Speaker 4: I mean, so much trauma, and so people are like,
Speaker 4: I want to feel peace, and so they get in
Speaker 4: all these practices and they start getting tormented, and then
Speaker 4: they come and they go through an exorcism and they
Speaker 4: do well. I mean most people, I always encourage them
Speaker 4: to get into therapy to work through the traumas. But
Speaker 4: I'd say the majority the people that I work with
Speaker 4: are ex new agers that you know, go through all
Speaker 4: this stuff to try to find happiness and health in them.
Speaker 4: They come to Christ, they come for an exorcism. The
Speaker 4: other ones I deal with are like this, more severe cases.
Speaker 1: Of like.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, warlocks, Satanists that come out, you know, getting
Speaker 4: out of Satanism. You know, things like that dark witchcraft, voodoo,
Speaker 4: you know, those sorts of things. So I've been trained
Speaker 4: very well to assist people who want to get out
Speaker 4: of that. You know, people, you know, people who are
Speaker 4: in the witchcraft and the astral realm and astral projection
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. You know, they they
Speaker 4: want to leave that behind and get freed up, you know,
Speaker 4: because spirit guides they are demons, and when you decide
Speaker 4: to become a Christian, they attack. You're vicious. I have
Speaker 4: an actual interview with Christy on my podcast. She was
Speaker 4: in astral projection a lot, had a beautiful, wonderful spirit
Speaker 4: guide would take her out into the astral realm until
Speaker 4: she became a Christian. Then it turned into a full
Speaker 4: blown demon and was no longer that kind man that
Speaker 4: came would attack her. You should listen to it, dude.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing, one thing people should know is uh.
Speaker 1: I heard you say this. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: still this way, but I heard you say that your
Speaker 1: your podcast is only on audio, Like I know. I
Speaker 1: do an audio podcast too, like Spreaker hosts my audio podcast.
Speaker 1: But then I'm on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and all
Speaker 1: that's cool? Is that where people can find your podcast?
Speaker 1: Or where where?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, any any any podcast platform, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4: I am on YouTube and I got a big banner
Speaker 4: up there it says audio podcasts and people do like YouTube.
Speaker 4: Obviously isn't my primary outlet, right, but I still put
Speaker 4: it up there, right because I do have some people
Speaker 4: come by and listen. But yeah, definitely any podcast app
Speaker 4: you have on your phone, no matter what it is,
Speaker 4: if you open it up and type the Blind Exorcist,
Speaker 4: you'll find it. And I think Christy might be like
Speaker 4: episode four or five, ye, something like that.
Speaker 1: Be a question from the audience. This is one of
Speaker 1: my moderators, Jason. He says, does exorcism take effect immediately?
Speaker 4: It depends yes and no. Let me explain. I'm not
Speaker 4: dodging a question. I just want to explain. Yes, if
Speaker 4: the person has no walls up and they're fully engaged.
Speaker 4: So if someone comes desperate, so I do intake questions,
Speaker 4: and so when someone books a session, they'll fill out
Speaker 4: roughly around thirty questions. And if people are gut level
Speaker 4: on us on those questions, then typically there's immediate result
Speaker 4: if they come walled up. So say, for example, and
Speaker 4: I stick with this because it's very common what I
Speaker 4: experience where a girl has been raped by men. Her
Speaker 4: father was abusive to her, and so inside she hates men. Right,
Speaker 4: She's been through a marriage and that was bad, that
Speaker 4: husband was abusive, so she understands at some point in time,
Speaker 4: I need an exorcism. So she comes to me, But
Speaker 4: I am a man, so she's still walled up and protected,
Speaker 4: and I can't get at demons in her if there's
Speaker 4: a wall up. Does that make sense? Yeah, So it
Speaker 4: does not always work for everybody because it depends more
Speaker 4: on the actual client than me, if that makes sense. Like,
Speaker 4: I'm fully trained, skilled, I can help people, but it
Speaker 4: really you know, sometimes people can to see me, and
Speaker 4: this is an interesting topic too, and they have mental
Speaker 4: health conditions that get in the way. And sometimes those
Speaker 4: mental health conditions are undiagnosed. They don't know it, and
Speaker 4: so I'll tell them you may want to go see
Speaker 4: a therapist and get tested to see if you have
Speaker 4: a mental health condition. So sometimes mental health conditions can
Speaker 4: get in the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, I'm trying to think of what other and
Speaker 1: so Cola in the audience, she wanted to know did
Speaker 1: the woman who had who summoned the sex team and
Speaker 1: did you did she? Was she able to get free
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely? So what happens with uh my process. Remember
Speaker 4: I'm this critical thinker, analytical person, right, So these thirty
Speaker 4: so questions that people fill out for me, I look
Speaker 4: at that and I look for patterns, demonic patterns for
Speaker 4: generational curses that are on somebody's life or present day
Speaker 4: entry points of demons by things they may have participated in.
Speaker 4: So when I get these questions, I deep dive them
Speaker 4: to the point where, like I've been trained in the
Speaker 4: cultures of countries and the practices, the spiritual practices, the
Speaker 4: entities that have been summoned historically in these regions. And
Speaker 4: so one of my questions on my intake is if
Speaker 4: you've had a DNA test run, type the results out. Now,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I'm looking over these countries, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, huh, okay, we got this here, this lines
Speaker 4: up with this trauma here, and then we have this
Speaker 4: happening in her young adult years. Okay, I'm seeing a
Speaker 4: pattern here of generational witch and sexual abuse as an example. So, yes,
Speaker 4: the girl got freed because she was honest. And so
Speaker 4: when I go down these questions, I have very targeted
Speaker 4: prayers that I guide someone through based on their questions,
Speaker 4: and as we work through those prayers, it weakens the
Speaker 4: legal right in this case for that sexual spirit to
Speaker 4: be there. Then it gets expelled and they have immediate relief. Now,
Speaker 4: exorcism is like an onion. I always use this analogy.
Speaker 4: This particular woman I worked with that had summoned Lilith
Speaker 4: and Inkibus. That was one layer of the onion removed.
Speaker 4: She may have another layer of demons come up that
Speaker 4: need removed, and that could be a week away, six
Speaker 4: months away, your way. But that specific layer of demons
Speaker 4: that was vexing her from that summoning using her phone
Speaker 4: installing an app is gone and she's completely free. And
Speaker 4: you can listen to this on my podcast It's sexual Magic.
Speaker 4: You'll see that in the title. I think it's the
Speaker 4: most recent one and tomorrow Monday, I've got a really
Speaker 4: good one coming out guys on rejection. Who hasn't been
Speaker 4: rejected in life? Right? So yeah, any questions, guys, please,
Speaker 4: I love them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me see. Yeah, if you guys have
Speaker 1: any other questions for Justin, put them in the chat
Speaker 1: now before we finish up. We've been going about fifty minutes,
Speaker 1: but we can go a little longer. It's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, like, yeah, if you have any questions,
Speaker 1: put them in the chat. I'm trying to think of, well,
Speaker 1: what other questions to ask? Yeah, go ahead, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna say?
Speaker 4: No, go ahead?
Speaker 1: You First, I said, do you ever have any cases
Speaker 1: that are really hard to like, like to like get
Speaker 1: the demons out and stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, Oh absolutely. Disassociative identity disorder is a very
Speaker 4: complex situation within the context of exorcism. And for those
Speaker 4: who don't know what d idea is, it's disassociative identity disorder.
Speaker 4: It's where somebody goes through trauma and life and mentally
Speaker 4: they split off. And I'll explain this as an example
Speaker 4: in just a second.
Speaker 1: So they split I gotta tell you something about that.
Speaker 1: In the community, like some of the people that I
Speaker 1: interview have been through like black ops, like targeting trauma
Speaker 1: stuff like MK ultra, or they say they've been involved
Speaker 1: in the secret spacecram. But like what I think is
Speaker 1: and some of them have the idea or they have
Speaker 1: what they'll call alters that come through. Yes, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: familiar with this, Like is that a demon or what
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, let me explain it. This is a fascinating topic
Speaker 4: and I love it because, again my social work background.
Speaker 4: I love therapy. I'm not a therapist. I'm an exorcist,
Speaker 4: but man, I love therapy. My ex wife I was
Speaker 4: married for fifteen years, she's a licensed clinical counselor. So
Speaker 4: my life has been engrossed in psychology for many, many years.
Speaker 4: So this is how this works. Let's say.
Speaker 1: A girl.
Speaker 4: Age five, and this is true, I work with stuff
Speaker 4: like this. Unfortunately, five years old or little innocent girl
Speaker 4: is being sodomized by her father. Now imagine this five
Speaker 4: years old, and let's say that little girl's name is Amber.
Speaker 4: When this happens in her mind, she says, this is
Speaker 4: not happening to me, This is happening to Sally. Now
Speaker 4: this isn't a conscious decision, conscious decision. This just happens, okay,
Speaker 4: So asodomy isn't happening to Amber, it's happening to Sally.
Speaker 4: So Sally takes that pain and holds that out of
Speaker 4: the consciousness of Amber. So that's one way disassociation happens
Speaker 4: through trauma. Now Amber's twenty one and she has a
Speaker 4: five year old Sally separated in her mind, holding that
Speaker 4: pain and trauma. And Amber's not aware this, but sometimes
Speaker 4: she acts like a five year old and people laugh
Speaker 4: at first and then they're like, something's wrong here, what's
Speaker 4: going on? Yeah, well, she's disassociated. The other way disassociation
Speaker 4: happens is in satanic ritual abuse, where they typically provide
Speaker 4: at a five year old six year old young children
Speaker 4: sexual pleasure and severe pain at the same time, and
Speaker 4: the psyche can't handle that, so it splits off. And
Speaker 4: then they program that alter through colors, through sounds and
Speaker 4: trigger words, and so it's it's a mess. So, for example,
Speaker 4: someone has a trigger word is like I'm just making
Speaker 4: this up, like you know, go home, as an example,
Speaker 4: So this little girl gets this alter put in her
Speaker 4: at six years old, and they're repeating go home, go home,
Speaker 4: Go home, come to the call, come to the call,
Speaker 4: gome go. And so this is what this alter has
Speaker 4: been programmed. And so phone range, she's forty years old, Hello,
Speaker 4: go home. All of a sudden, she goes into her
Speaker 4: trance like state, hangs the phone up, and goes to
Speaker 4: an exact point where the cault wants her to be.
Speaker 4: So that's how disassociation works one way in the context
Speaker 4: of ritual abuse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's past saying, well, I've seen If
Speaker 1: we have any other questions, let me see here. I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess that's it. Awesome this is done from Rachel.
Speaker 1: She says, how does he fill the space up for
Speaker 1: her demons fully expelled?
Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question, Rachel, thank you for that.
Speaker 4: You know, again, we're I'm talking from a Christian worldview.
Speaker 4: So in the case of the young woman I worked
Speaker 4: with that had the sex right that God expelled. As
Speaker 4: a Christian, when we surrender our life to Christ, the
Speaker 4: Holy Spirit comes inside of us, and so I just
Speaker 4: pray that the Holy Spirit brings healing and comfort to
Speaker 4: that area of her. And that's it, you know. And
Speaker 4: so and oftentimes at the end when I'm working with clients,
Speaker 4: I usually get one or two reactions. One is crying
Speaker 4: of joy because the torment is over and it's like
Speaker 4: a general touch from the Holy Spirit that cleanses them
Speaker 4: from you know, the the vexing. And other times they
Speaker 4: are full of so much joy that you know they laugh.
Speaker 4: So the actual cleansing of the environment outside of the
Speaker 4: actual client. When the demons are expelled, they are expelled
Speaker 4: fully out of the client and out of the premises,
Speaker 4: so they're gone. There's no real need to like cleanse it. Now.
Speaker 4: If a home has demons meaning entities walking through the home,
Speaker 4: scratches on the walls, doors, slamming in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night, you know, that's a house possession. And so
Speaker 4: as an exorcist, and I'm sure people have seen us, right,
Speaker 4: Roman Catholic exorcists go in the home and they bless
Speaker 4: it and they cleanse it. Sometimes these homes are built
Speaker 4: on Indian barrel grounds over there in Pennsylvania, Rob And yeah,
Speaker 4: I know the higher we got these Indian barrio grounds.
Speaker 4: And sometimes dude, it's crazy in those houses.
Speaker 1: You want to hear you want to hear stor this
Speaker 1: is kind of where I went to school when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. It was like two couple of towns over.
Speaker 1: It was called a Fort Crawford Elementary School. It was
Speaker 1: the school was built on a fort, you know, so
Speaker 1: like an old, old fort, and that we used to
Speaker 1: find Indian heads or what are they called Indian Indian
Speaker 1: Indian arrowheads.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would find.
Speaker 1: Arrowheads playing and when we were kids, like it was common.
Speaker 1: It was you know what I mean, back in the
Speaker 1: eighties to find the air, same, same, same.
Speaker 4: We found arrowheads all the time, absolutely, and so you
Speaker 4: know the Indian barrel grounds that couldn't bring a lot.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of this book that I read,
Speaker 4: but there was this home in Pennsylvania that was really
Speaker 4: really possessed, and I wish I could remember the name
Speaker 4: of that book so people could read it. It was.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely fascinating. So this stuff, I mean, this
Speaker 4: guy actually had blood dripping down the walls. Oh, and
Speaker 4: so he would He actually took a vial and got
Speaker 4: a sample of it and took it to a lab
Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh and they analyzed it. And it was actually
Speaker 4: a fungus that was coming down the wall. But the
Speaker 4: demons crossed this right. It was a just red fungus
Speaker 4: dripping down the wall look just like blood. Yeah, smells
Speaker 4: common ways you could tell demons are around. Or smells
Speaker 4: you know that that that just there's nothing around. But
Speaker 4: you smell, for example, smoke or fire, or you smell
Speaker 4: putrid smells that are like there's nothing there in the area.
Speaker 4: That those are signs that demons are around. Uh, surroundings
Speaker 4: becoming cold, that means demons are present. Intrusive thoughts you
Speaker 4: know in your mind, you know, jump out the window,
Speaker 4: kill yourself. All of a sudden, uncontrollable lust comes over you.
Speaker 4: You can't even stop it. These are indicators of demons
Speaker 4: as well. You know, there's just different seeing orbs because.
Speaker 1: Some d demonic or like I heard, some orbs can
Speaker 1: be definitely right.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, because demons can shape shift into whatever they want,
Speaker 4: so they love shape shifting into orbs. But from a
Speaker 4: Christian exorcist perspective, they're just demons. So if like an
Speaker 4: orb was there and I was there, and I would say,
Speaker 4: in the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to
Speaker 4: come to attention and come out of that form, it
Speaker 4: would just literally transmute right back into a demon of
Speaker 4: what it is. So the clients I work with, dude.
Speaker 4: This is just normal. Like little girls that come in
Speaker 4: dancing around and come up and touch them and put
Speaker 4: something in them. Ancestors that come and visit them in
Speaker 4: their dreams and feed them food very common and African
Speaker 4: ancestry that's passing on generational curses. Straight up demons that
Speaker 4: just come aliens. I wrote an article on alien abduction.
Speaker 4: It perfectly parallels demons. So if you go to my website,
Speaker 4: I'll share this link because you guys will find as fascinating.
Speaker 4: This is interesting stuff. Justind dot com, Forward, slash explore,
Speaker 4: click on this category truth Unfiltered and you'll see the
Speaker 4: alien article there. I apologize I can't remember, but on
Speaker 4: that article I show a table comparing alien objection abduction
Speaker 4: to demon possession.
Speaker 1: It makes sense to me because what I've always said,
Speaker 1: why do they have to come covertly in the night,
Speaker 1: Why do they have to do it? Yes, why do
Speaker 1: they have to like steal DNA like there they do?
Speaker 1: Like I used to listen to doctor David Jacobs, I'm
Speaker 1: big into the alien. Matter of fact, I might be
Speaker 1: doing presentation on alien abduction, like okay, this girl's conference
Speaker 1: in a month. I haven't decided what I'm gonna present
Speaker 1: on yet, but I'm gonna be there. I know that.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's either gonna be on like ancient
Speaker 1: aliens or alien abductions. But like I used to listen
Speaker 1: to doctor like people like Butter Hopkins and doctor David Jacobs.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they were fascinating for like, you know,
Speaker 1: their abduction research. And one thing I found that David
Speaker 1: Jacob said one time, he said that the grays were
Speaker 1: able to when they stare a woman in the eyes,
Speaker 1: they're able to hook into the optic nerve. And what
Speaker 1: that does is it stimulates sexual response, so they can
Speaker 1: take an a that it's like, isn't that fascinating. It's insane.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely insane. But it's like it's like holy shit,
Speaker 1: like and and you know, it's like demons and aliens
Speaker 1: know this the body that we have. It's like our
Speaker 1: bodies are like computers, and it's like demons and aliens
Speaker 1: know gateways to get in. They know the whole workings.
Speaker 1: They can manipulate our mind. It's insane. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: do see the parallels, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very similar and of course from an exorcist perspective,
Speaker 4: we would say that aliens are demons, right, so we're
Speaker 4: gonna say they actually are. But here's what's interesting is
Speaker 4: in order to have communications with these like the aliens
Speaker 4: that are these elite higher intelligence, like they're going to
Speaker 4: bring this oneness and this sort of vibe, right, they
Speaker 4: have to be channeled. So people invite them in and
Speaker 4: allow them to write through them, which is just automatic handwriting,
Speaker 4: which is a witchcraft practice, tapping into the spirit wrong.
Speaker 4: And so it's like, Okay, if you're this highly advanced
Speaker 4: technological race that's somehow going to enlighten us, why would
Speaker 4: you need a body, Like if you're that technologically advanced,
Speaker 4: you just can't pick up the pen yourself. Yeah, just
Speaker 4: food for thought, right, I'm not looking for an answer,
Speaker 4: I'm just like, right, So, yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Why are they so interested? Always in DNA? That's what
Speaker 1: I've I've found peculiar, Like it's always always trying to
Speaker 1: take the aliens are always trying to take DNA and
Speaker 1: and and and what's intro also interesting about awens is
Speaker 1: they never want to give up any information. Like I
Speaker 1: knew a couple of fully conscious I didn't know them,
Speaker 1: but I remember listening to a couple of fully conscious
Speaker 1: contact these that I trusted their word, like Jim Sparks
Speaker 1: who used to come on the Art Bell Show and
Speaker 1: he would say some fascinating stuff about like he said,
Speaker 1: the Grays would let him walk around on the ship
Speaker 1: and stuff and like, but like he said, they never
Speaker 1: really wanted to like give up any information. And like
Speaker 1: a lot of abductees are told that like we're ruining
Speaker 1: the earth. It's like, well, we know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: like look at humans. Humans are so crazy. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, but so so really they're not really giving
Speaker 1: us anything. And when you think about it, they're not
Speaker 1: giving us any information about they come here, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 4: Right right? Terror?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we did have another question. This was from
Speaker 1: Sovereign Cosmic wild Man. He always comes up with really
Speaker 1: good questions. He he says, uh, he says, how does
Speaker 1: he treat a situation where demonic stronghold is too strong
Speaker 1: in an area, dude of wartech zone due to it
Speaker 1: being a Leylan convergence? Or have you ever had that? Uh?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: Because you know, again, from a Christian worldview, demons are
Speaker 4: subject to the authority of Christ. So if you read
Speaker 4: the Christian Bible, when Jesus Christ would perform exorcisms, the
Speaker 4: demons would be absolutely terrified when Christ approached them. They
Speaker 4: would fall on the ground and scream and scream and
Speaker 4: terror and say, are you here to punish us before
Speaker 4: our time? These are demons that manifest in people speaking
Speaker 4: through them, an absolute terror because they understood that Christ
Speaker 4: had supreme authority over them. Right, So as Christians, we've
Speaker 4: been given that authority to help people, and so there
Speaker 4: is no Yes, exorcism can be strugg and difficult and challenging,
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, the demons have
Speaker 4: to submit to the authority of Christ. I am nothing right,
Speaker 4: They're not submitting to me. They have to submit to
Speaker 4: the authority of Christ that's working through me. If that
Speaker 4: makes sense. So I don't, I don't. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: We had another question from sovereign cosmic. Wow man, he says,
Speaker 1: I'll put it up on the screen.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 1: He says, how does he view demons as parasites? And
Speaker 1: is he tried garlic and other parasite detoxing foods and
Speaker 1: spices they like help you with along with this other
Speaker 1: stuff you.
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. And again this is getting
Speaker 4: into you know, practices of spirituality where parasites are demons.
Speaker 4: So when someone comes to me and they say I
Speaker 4: have parasites, I say, no, you have demons now, and
Speaker 4: please bear in mind who's asking that. I am sharing
Speaker 4: this just respectfully from a Christian perspective. I don't mean
Speaker 4: to come across as like you're wrong. No, I get it.
Speaker 4: I talk with people all the time about parasites, but
Speaker 4: from an exorcist perspective, no, you have demons. And so
Speaker 4: as I begin to target those demons, they come up
Speaker 4: and they speak through the person, and so sometimes that
Speaker 4: means that the person's eyes are dilated black, their voice changes.
Speaker 4: People are wondering, how does he know that being blind? Well,
Speaker 4: I work with sited exorcists too, so we do see
Speaker 4: a lot of I would say bizarre things during sessions
Speaker 4: with colonies, not always, but so with the parasite thing,
Speaker 4: I just say, there, they're demons and they need expel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's cool. Okay, let's see here. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see if we have other questions here.
Speaker 4: And thank you for the questions. I appreciate them. I
Speaker 4: love just sharing kind of this world with people. Because
Speaker 4: it's definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: William says in the audience, she says parasites, demons. Does
Speaker 1: it label really matter? She says, it feels like it's
Speaker 1: an energy signature. Would you say that? Would you agree
Speaker 1: with that? Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, again, I'm a Christian, so yeah, I think wording matters,
Speaker 4: you know, from an exorcist perspective, you know, because in
Speaker 4: your universe they are parasites. It is energy spectrum. Vortex says,
Speaker 4: you know that sort of thing. But that's a totally different,
Speaker 4: uh spirituality, right than than what I'm using.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like apples and oranges, right, they're fruit,
Speaker 4: but they're different.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to see if we have any
Speaker 1: other questions before we go.
Speaker 4: H m hmm.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's it. Yeah, this was amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this. Do you want
Speaker 1: to tell people where they can find you?
Speaker 4: And yet?
Speaker 1: This was awesome?
Speaker 4: Thank you Robin, thank you everyone for listening, and thank
Speaker 4: you so much for the questions. Yeah you can again.
Speaker 4: Website is the Blind Exorcist. You can find there's a
Speaker 4: bunch of episodes. I encourage you to scroll down through
Speaker 4: and just find something that looks interesting and then my
Speaker 4: website is just a d dot com and you know
Speaker 4: that's where people can you know, I for like a
Speaker 4: free twenty minute consultation if people feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: they have demons and they want to see do I
Speaker 4: need an exorcism? So a lot of times I meet
Speaker 4: with people and I'm like, no, you need therapy, or
Speaker 4: I'll say no, you don't need an exorcism, And sometimes
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah you need one. Yeah, so that that's
Speaker 4: an auction as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm excited for I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna message you after the show about
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and and and thank you, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on.
Speaker 4: This was well, thank you for having me. And it's
Speaker 4: so cool that we're neighbors.
Speaker 1: I know, right, yeah, I know, we're uh we're yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me just say, guys, do you guys have any
Speaker 1: other questions before we uh, before we before we go,
Speaker 1: I'll give you guys one one minute to get your
Speaker 1: last questions and if anybody has any questions, just put
Speaker 1: them in the chat and well or we'll before we close.
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I do a lot of shows justin,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I do two three shows a day. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I did oh wow, yeah, I know. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any other podcasts doing.
Speaker 4: Like me, Like I kind of go off sometimes like
Speaker 4: that's great.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I do it full time. It's like my full time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't make a lot of money from it, but
Speaker 1: it's like kind of like I just love doing it.
Speaker 4: So you enjoy. Yeah, absolutely, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I put out one episode a month. That's it. Wow,
Speaker 4: that's that's the much because I got a balance working
Speaker 4: with clients and then actually producing a podcast, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's it's work, as you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it is a lot. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I guess there's no other questions. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for everybody for tuning in. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you all, and thank you Justin and I will see
Speaker 1: you guys all tomorrow. Tomorrow we have at five pm Eastern,
Speaker 1: we have Shade and Sean Nolgi. He's going to talk
Speaker 1: about alien encounters and some weird stuff going on up
Speaker 1: in Alaska, some maybe secret space experiences or some black
Speaker 1: op stuff. And then at eight pm Eastern, we have
Speaker 1: Jack Flynn, which will be uh, he'll talk about something
Speaker 1: similar his own, his own black ops. We're weird trauma experiences.
Speaker 1: So you know, look forward to tomorrow guys, and I
Speaker 1: will see you then. And thank you so much, Justin
Speaker 1: and uh, have a good night everyone, and until next time, thanks,