Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters, Remco rinking
Speaker 1: across the table from me and baby, oh Baby, what
Speaker 1: a day. Night two was at the w SP main
Speaker 1: event for the final table from seven down to two.
Speaker 1: Somehow we got down to heads up play. Wild scenes
Speaker 1: here we're gonna talk all about it. We talked to
Speaker 1: plenty of players along the way. We got a little
Speaker 1: bit of some live audio between Remco and I from
Speaker 1: the floor in the midst.
Speaker 2: Of it all.
Speaker 1: But it is Lucas Jumalan, the twenty two year old
Speaker 1: out of Spokane, Washington, Washington, excuse me, maintaining his chip
Speaker 1: lead from start of this final table until heads up play.
Speaker 1: He's going with Lori Saskat out of Finland. The I
Speaker 1: think he's like a sales marketing manager or something, not
Speaker 1: a professional poker player by trade. Calls himself a hobbyist,
Speaker 1: a semi pro whatever it is. Of course, maybe that
Speaker 1: changes now, but he is the player that could be
Speaker 1: the kryptonite to Lucas Jumalan, who has seemed like he
Speaker 1: could really do no wrong. But Soscolotti is not going
Speaker 1: to back down. I mean, what do you got to
Speaker 1: say about today?
Speaker 3: Today was the counter opposite from what we saw on
Speaker 3: the first day of the Final Table. The first day
Speaker 3: was was drawn out one hundred and eight hands, much
Speaker 3: to the liking of Sam Greenwood. I don't think Sam
Speaker 3: Greenwood approves of today's play. Well, he doesn't like excitement.
Speaker 3: Doesn't like excitement. All everything needs to be mechanical. And
Speaker 3: of course Sam, if you listen, I joke.
Speaker 4: I joke. But Sam's catching a lot of shade on
Speaker 4: the spot it was.
Speaker 3: It was funny to see the contrast on social media yesterday,
Speaker 3: where you know, some were saying how boring it wasn't
Speaker 3: some were saying how interesting it was, and the word
Speaker 3: exciting wasn't really used, even though the broadcast of product,
Speaker 3: everything surrounding it, Nick and Ali was just you know,
Speaker 3: top notch, A plus. All that stuff was great. But
Speaker 3: when the entertainment value arrives due to some high profile
Speaker 3: all ins, some crazy runouts, some Greg Mueller high fiving
Speaker 3: Scotty tickets with the shirt off on the rail, that's
Speaker 3: when you have a real main event Final Table on
Speaker 3: your hands. What I saw today was exactly what I
Speaker 3: want to see when I watch poker. On TV. This
Speaker 3: is the kind of stuff where I can tell my
Speaker 3: father in law, who has a loose sort of loosely
Speaker 3: is loosely interested in poker. I can tell him, turn
Speaker 3: on the TV, you're gonna want to watch this. And
Speaker 3: that's exactly what I did. So with that in mind, Donnie,
Speaker 3: I think that you said it right when it happened.
Speaker 3: I think it was only a few hands into play
Speaker 3: today when when Mueller doubled up and the whole atmosphere
Speaker 3: seemed to change, and the whole sort of vibe in
Speaker 3: the room seemed to sort of loosen up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doubled up with King Jack versus Ace king.
Speaker 1: He had the King jack. He drilled the jack on
Speaker 1: the flob. It did come jack ten eight, So he
Speaker 1: did have to fade an ace or a queen. This
Speaker 1: was against Laurie Sascolotti. Greg did come into the day
Speaker 1: as the short stack ends up doubling up here. You
Speaker 1: could see it in his face at multiple points throughout
Speaker 1: this runout. First when the jack comes, he's like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it happened, like it the miracle just happened, right,
Speaker 1: So you got that? Then, like he's got us obviously
Speaker 1: sweat the last two cards, and you could just tell
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, I haven't felt like
Speaker 1: Greg has felt that this is the biggest moment of
Speaker 1: his poker career until this moment going to the turn
Speaker 1: where he hit the jack, he took the lead, and
Speaker 1: then it was like, oh shit, I got a hold
Speaker 1: on for two more cards and if I do it
Speaker 1: could mean multiple mill more millions of dollars, and heck,
Speaker 1: maybe I go on to win this thing after. I mean,
Speaker 1: you talked with him yesterday and we heard from him
Speaker 1: how he was. He was, in a way kind of
Speaker 1: beating himself up a little bit over that that King jackhand.
Speaker 1: Coincidentally enough, King Jack resurrecting its head once again in
Speaker 1: this spot. But he was He's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: played that hand really bad. Comes into today, he's only
Speaker 1: got what nine big blinds are ten big blinds, and
Speaker 1: he's maybe he's just kind of reserved to his fate
Speaker 1: where he's like, Okay, you know what, it was a
Speaker 1: good run, laddered a couple spots, didn't play my best
Speaker 1: in that one spot, and maybe it costs me. But
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh crap, I'm way back in this
Speaker 1: damn thing and this this is the hand that this
Speaker 1: final table needed. If you are rooting for electricity, if
Speaker 1: you're rooting for entertainment, all that sort of stuff, the fireworks,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Yesterday was I would describe it as interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting is not exciting to most people. It's exciting to
Speaker 1: me maybe, sure, but it's also can be portrayed as boring,
Speaker 1: a grind, you know, a slog at times. But today
Speaker 1: was the stone opposite. As you said, this hand kicked
Speaker 1: things off early and then from there it was almost
Speaker 1: like banker after banger.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And important to note there too that Muller doubled through Saskalathi,
Speaker 3: so that hand really flipped things around. Muller up to
Speaker 3: fifty nine million, Suscalathi down to fifty three million. And
Speaker 3: the reason I want to point it out is because
Speaker 3: there was a distinct difference in the approaches the players had,
Speaker 3: especially those two, because Suscolathi came into play trying to
Speaker 3: win the tournament. It felt like, oh, he was looking
Speaker 3: for spots, he was being aggressive, he was being involved
Speaker 3: in lots of hands, and Mueller was being patient.
Speaker 4: He was sort of soaking in the moment.
Speaker 3: He was enjoying this experience with this rail, But never
Speaker 3: did I get the feeling that Mueller was giving himself
Speaker 3: a chance to win. Suscalothie could a busted in eighth place,
Speaker 3: seventh place, sixth place, but Mueller was sort of like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's kind of weird to say he
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to money ladder, because I know that he wasn't,
Speaker 3: but he was also just trying to be patient and
Speaker 3: trying to sort of let the game come to him
Speaker 3: and Susclotik was coming to the game. Next big moment
Speaker 3: that we saw at the final table then was Jumalan
Speaker 3: just doing Jumalan things versus Jamie Shavell in hand number
Speaker 3: one twenty one, where kind of in a weird way, Donnie,
Speaker 3: And I think I saw a few tweets about this,
Speaker 3: people saying like, this is maybe the only mistake that
Speaker 3: Jamie Shavell made at the final table makes it ten
Speaker 3: million pre with four and a half behind, Jumalan made
Speaker 3: the call and that's when Shavel moved on for only
Speaker 3: four and a half million. Into a little bit over
Speaker 3: twenty Shavel had king six of hearts on seven four
Speaker 3: to three. Jumbelan called the King ten High obviously priced in,
Speaker 3: and the King ten High simply held up. So that was,
Speaker 3: you know, unfortunate for shavel to go out that way, definitely,
Speaker 3: you know, brought a tough game to the table cash
Speaker 3: one point five million, and yeah, then we were down
Speaker 3: down a six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tough spot for Chevelle here. I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: to say when you're when you're that short. You know,
Speaker 1: you look down, you see the King six of hearts,
Speaker 1: You're probably like, okay, this is it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: If he just moves all in fully and doesn't leave
Speaker 1: some chips behind, how does this one play out? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess the same. You know, I think King ten
Speaker 1: with that chip lead for Jumalan in the big line.
Speaker 1: Given how short Chevelle is, then you know, I think
Speaker 1: he's still ultimately out of the tournament. Now, maybe you
Speaker 1: want to say, okay, he could fold it and maybe
Speaker 1: waited for a better spot, or maybe somebody else collides
Speaker 1: and you go from there. But when you're that short,
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily blame him for how this one played
Speaker 1: out and ultimately didn't hit. But his eighth cash in
Speaker 1: the WSIP main event one point five million dollars so
Speaker 1: a very very good run for him. And then from there,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just again more Jumalan.
Speaker 4: Yeah's what it was. He It was.
Speaker 1: Just you kind of look, we have the chip count
Speaker 1: screen in front of us from where we're sitting in
Speaker 1: the media row, and like every time you looked up,
Speaker 1: every five minutes or ten minutes, he had like ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen more, just kept just kept going, climbing, climbing, climbing.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, it's like, crap, he's got two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five million. Oh look he's got two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five million, two ninety Like he's almost
Speaker 1: got three hundred million. Like it's just wild stuff. But
Speaker 1: then then we got Mueller doubling again. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: this was another crazy moment. This time it was through
Speaker 1: Rami Hamoud, Canada and Canada War crimes. Here nine's for Mueller,
Speaker 1: Ace King for Rami Hamoud. Mueller fades the runout another
Speaker 1: spot where it was like he's he's just sweating the
Speaker 1: whole way and like his rail was the biggest by
Speaker 1: far here and you could feel it that they felt it,
Speaker 1: just like he felt everyone was so invested NonStop channing.
Speaker 1: He ultimately ends up winning this hand. He's doing fist
Speaker 1: pumps out there, going into his rail high five's hugs,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It was just crazy stuff. Now Hamod
Speaker 1: wasn't out but left pretty short after this one.
Speaker 3: E Mueller also up to eighty two million after this hand,
Speaker 3: which in hindsight is kind of wild to think that
Speaker 3: he got up that high that sort of early into
Speaker 3: today's play. At that point, Sascalothi was only on forty
Speaker 3: nine million. Gagliano, who basically was not involved in the
Speaker 3: play at all today, was more like a spectator and
Speaker 3: we'll we'll hear from him in a minute. But that
Speaker 3: was definitely interesting to see. And Mueller going up to
Speaker 3: eighty five eighty two million might make you think like, oh,
Speaker 3: now he has a chance to perhaps get some control,
Speaker 3: but nothing like that ever really evolved. And it's even
Speaker 3: funnier when you think that shortly after he got up
Speaker 3: to eighty two million, there was the big all in
Speaker 3: with Suscalathi doubled with Kings versus Ace Jack versus Han Feng,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, Mueller is second in chips
Speaker 3: because the person ahead of him lost a chunk, being
Speaker 3: Han Feng. And all of a sudden, you think, are
Speaker 3: we going towards a Mueller Jumlan heads up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like that at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: And it was it was more like in a way
Speaker 1: process of elimination that he ended up making it up
Speaker 1: to second place. Not that people were eliminated, but people
Speaker 1: just kept getting kind of knocked down, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you look at the board and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Mueller's in second. But that's also like this today was
Speaker 1: just kind of wacky in that you had Jumalan once again,
Speaker 1: so far and away a chip leader right, and then
Speaker 1: everyone else like one big pot or one double up
Speaker 1: and like they're in second or third right behind him
Speaker 1: because everyone was so bunched together even though people were
Speaker 1: super super short, like Greg when he doubled the first time,
Speaker 1: he doubled like all the way up the leaderboard to
Speaker 1: like third place, it was like out of nowhere, but
Speaker 1: he only had like twenty bigs if he was still
Speaker 1: in third place. It was just it was an absolutely
Speaker 1: wild dynamic at the table, and I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think you could have scripted it better coming off of
Speaker 1: what we saw on the first day. You know, if
Speaker 1: you were like, like if you got everyone in the
Speaker 1: room and you're like, hey, guys, we got to write
Speaker 1: a more electric day, like this is what you would
Speaker 1: come out with.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: It was awesome, absolutely awesome, and through it all you
Speaker 1: got to give credit to Jumalan because he never lost
Speaker 1: that top spot the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he continued by taking Ramihamu's final chips, who was
Speaker 3: all in with He was all in with so many outs,
Speaker 3: probably too many queen check with the jack of spades
Speaker 3: on eight six deuce with three spades, so he had
Speaker 3: overcards flush straw against Jumalan's ace five high no flush straws,
Speaker 3: so ACE five held up in true Jumalan fashion because
Speaker 3: when it's your tournament, it's your tournament, and you know
Speaker 3: it continued to be his tournament. But yeah, Jumalan at
Speaker 3: that point, and this is kind of wild to look at.
Speaker 3: Right after he busted Hamud, he had a massive, massive
Speaker 3: pot against Han Feng where he flopped the full house
Speaker 3: seventh full of aces and the hand resulted in him
Speaker 3: taking fifty million ish off of Han Feng, and he
Speaker 3: had three hundred and seventy six million chips with Mueller
Speaker 3: being next closest at sixty sixty six million, And I
Speaker 3: think you said it that at that point he goes
Speaker 3: he has more than half to chips in play.
Speaker 1: And well over, hell over, there's like five hundred fifty
Speaker 1: million in play. Yeah, three hundred and seventy six million.
Speaker 3: So at that point of the tournament, it was basically
Speaker 3: like who's going to finish second, who's going to even
Speaker 3: have a little bit of resistance versus Jumalon, And that
Speaker 3: question was answered almost immediately in the most dramatic of fashion,
Speaker 3: when Han Feng ended up all in forced term in
Speaker 3: life with pocket ass versus Sascolatti with nad wild and
Speaker 3: this hand was the most electric hand of the day.
Speaker 3: Flopp comes out ten eight three, all diamonds. Han Feng
Speaker 3: has the acid diamonds for even more protection than a
Speaker 3: jack of hearts on the turn, giving Susclothi and opening
Speaker 3: a straight draw, but still cannot hit a diamond, and
Speaker 3: the river is a black queen, and Antonio Abrego got
Speaker 3: like the shot of the day where you see Han
Speaker 3: Feng crumple up in a in a ball of misery
Speaker 3: as Susclati jumps into the screen and celebrates like we've
Speaker 3: never seen before and prior to that, Donnie, I don't
Speaker 3: recall seeing any emotion from Sascalath, and it was almost
Speaker 3: like he unlocked something new inside of him.
Speaker 4: That he was not yet aware of.
Speaker 1: And also Greg Mueller in this hand folding Jacks, Oh right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, like this hand was. This hand was wild
Speaker 1: because you had Fang who had just lost the big
Speaker 1: pot to Lucas Jumalan and he's he's now sitting on
Speaker 1: like I think it's eight and a half big blinds.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit less maybe seven and a half
Speaker 1: after after that hand, but either way, super short sub
Speaker 1: ten for sure. He min raises under the gun, which
Speaker 1: should in a lot of ways set off a lot
Speaker 1: of alarm bells because you don't have many min raised.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have really any min rais folds there,
Speaker 1: so your min raises come from predominantly aces and then
Speaker 1: maybe some kings, but kings I think does have a
Speaker 1: little bit of blending between shoving and min raising. You
Speaker 1: you might even see some limps in this spot with
Speaker 1: the stack size like Fang had. But first of all,
Speaker 1: the min rays under the gun from Fang should should
Speaker 1: raise some alarm bells for the players. Then you have
Speaker 1: Sascelotti going fifty just this fifty million, he says, he said,
Speaker 1: let's gam fifty million. Let's gam, and Mueller listen credit
Speaker 1: to him kind of immediately. You could tell by watching
Speaker 1: his mannerisms that he felt that something was up with
Speaker 1: two jacks, which is, I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I would go broke here for sure. Yes, it does
Speaker 1: suck in a way that you have Fang who looks
Speaker 1: like he's got a really nutted range here from under
Speaker 1: the gun. But if you beat Sascolotti for the side,
Speaker 1: it kind of doesn't matter, right, So it's a super
Speaker 1: tricky spot. Mueller tanked and tanked and tanked. At one
Speaker 1: point he tried to talk to Sasclotti. Couldn't because that's
Speaker 1: not allowed, especially with three players in the hands.
Speaker 3: But I said something when this hand was in progress.
Speaker 3: I said, like, it looks as though Muller is almost
Speaker 3: more worried about Han Feng than he is about Sasclati.
Speaker 3: And Han Feng was sitting there like a statue, while
Speaker 3: Sasclati seemed really relaxed and you know, resigned in his
Speaker 3: fate because he was already all in. So it didn't
Speaker 3: really matter to him anymore what was going to happen.
Speaker 3: His chips were in the middle, Go figure it out, guys.
Speaker 3: That was sort of the attitude that I was seeing
Speaker 3: from him. And then ultimately Mueller folds and erupts in
Speaker 3: celebration as Han Feng literally triple fist, pump calls and
Speaker 3: slams the aces on the table, only to then that
Speaker 3: leading to his elimination.
Speaker 1: I would have cried, honestly, having the acid diamonds in
Speaker 1: my hand on a three diamond flop like that, I
Speaker 1: would have just burst out into tears. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you gonna do? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just it's a sick way to go. I will say that,
Speaker 1: you know, getting that far fifth place for two point
Speaker 1: twenty five million, when you came in eight out of nine,
Speaker 1: not too far ahead of nine, you had to battle
Speaker 1: as a short stack for much of the day. It
Speaker 1: probably definitely seemed feels like a win. But given that
Speaker 1: he did finish the first night of the final table
Speaker 1: second in chips with more than one hundred million, thinking like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy in line to get heads up with
Speaker 1: Lucas Jumalan, and then you go out in a sick
Speaker 1: one like this, I mean, and then there's also the
Speaker 1: sliding doors moment where on the hand where he had
Speaker 1: tens and Jumalan had the sevens, Mueller opens the button
Speaker 1: for a min raise. If Fang just moves all in, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably just wins the hand right there, right, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now there's the other kind of sliding doors where because
Speaker 1: he flattered from the small blind, there's a real argument
Speaker 1: that Jumelan could have just said I'm all in, and
Speaker 1: then if he's all in, obviously Greg gets out of
Speaker 1: the way, but Fang calls and he's out of the tournament.
Speaker 1: Like so it's just like so crazy how it all.
Speaker 1: You know, one move here, one move there can just
Speaker 1: change how it all kind of shapes out. So it's
Speaker 1: just it really is just just wild stuff here on
Speaker 1: this this second night of the final table. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't understate that specific element.
Speaker 3: Of it all. I think it really highlights how this
Speaker 3: game is so beautiful because there are thousands of scenarios
Speaker 3: possible and we only get to watch one of those
Speaker 3: scenarios play, which is the scenario that ends up happening.
Speaker 3: But there were so many hands today where small differences
Speaker 3: or you know, perhaps a slightly different approach could have
Speaker 3: changed everything. And this is just how the thing unfolded.
Speaker 3: And Han Feang's on the rail and Sascolothi is all
Speaker 3: of a sudden up to two hundred million ish and
Speaker 3: then he said.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on one second, because he got he was
Speaker 1: up to about ninety.
Speaker 2: Million hand right, and then and then he doubles through and.
Speaker 1: Michael Gagliano after that hand had eight and a half
Speaker 1: nine big lines, so now he's the super short guy.
Speaker 1: But then Sascolotti just decides to get all in against
Speaker 1: Lucas Jumelot, just like insane, like that's where it's just wild.
Speaker 1: So he gets all in with Lucas Jumlan. This is
Speaker 1: just the nature of Sascolotti. You saw it a lot
Speaker 1: on the first day of the final table. He was
Speaker 1: kno going to back down to anyone. I mean, at
Speaker 1: one point I thought he was going to call all
Speaker 1: in with that king Queen suited against Lucas Jumalan. Now
Speaker 1: they had the same hand and they probably would have
Speaker 1: chopped unless somebody made a four foot or a flush,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever. But here on the nine to
Speaker 1: four duce flop, he gets it all in with Jumalan.
Speaker 1: Jumalan's got four to three or sorry, they got it
Speaker 1: all on the turn nine four duce five. So Jumalan's
Speaker 1: got a pair of fours, so he can hit a four.
Speaker 1: He can hit a three four to make trips three
Speaker 1: to hit two pair. He can also hit an ace
Speaker 1: to make a straight. He can hit six to make
Speaker 1: a straight. And Sascolotti's got two tens for just the overcard.
Speaker 1: Gotta fade plenty outs he does. That was the pot
Speaker 1: that got him up to almost one hundred and ninety million,
Speaker 1: and because it was through Jumalan pulls him back down
Speaker 1: to earth a little bit. And then it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, we have a game, and we also we
Speaker 1: have the have notts. We have the haves with Jumalan
Speaker 1: and Sasclatt and then we have the have knots over
Speaker 1: here with Muller and Gagliano and Gaglana is just like
Speaker 1: in a way he's playing John Raisner, like you guys
Speaker 1: just all kind of go crazy. I'm I'm over here
Speaker 1: just collecting my millions every time we get a ladder.
Speaker 3: But also just imagine, because you know, Jumala had real outs,
Speaker 3: He had real outs to send Susclotta home if that,
Speaker 3: If that happens, he basically has four hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: million or four and fifty million, which is just like
Speaker 3: the end of the tournament.
Speaker 4: It's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: But yes, sessild It doubles up and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we got ourselves a match because then we finally have
Speaker 3: someone who can challenge Jumalan, which you know, for the
Speaker 3: sake of the broadcast and for the sake of the excitement,
Speaker 3: is definitely great to see. Juelan isn't easy to get
Speaker 3: to root for, but we also don't want to just
Speaker 3: hand him the trophy. This is definitely something that's.
Speaker 4: Gonna have some resistance. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And then you know, Gagliano and and we'll listen to
Speaker 3: him in the second here. Really didn't get any hands,
Speaker 3: didn't get any spots, and he was the consummate professional
Speaker 3: when I spoke to him after his elimination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great. He lost me in a pretty
Speaker 1: brutal fashion as well. He had King Queen up against
Speaker 1: King Jack for Jumalan. Jumalan turns a jack after the
Speaker 1: flop came King high and we say goodbye to Gagliano.
Speaker 1: And as Remco said, he did catch up with Gags
Speaker 1: on his way out. And here's that conversation right now.
Speaker 4: Michael, fourth place in the main.
Speaker 3: As a long time book a professional, this experience lived
Speaker 3: up to what.
Speaker 4: You might have thought it would be like after all
Speaker 4: those years of playing this tournament.
Speaker 6: Honestly, it was more fun.
Speaker 5: Like I was anticipating a lot more stress, and I
Speaker 5: mean I'd be lying if there was, you know, no stress,
Speaker 5: but just a lot of fun. It was a really
Speaker 5: good group of guys. There was not a lot of
Speaker 5: like negative emotion. There was a lot of emotion, a
Speaker 5: lot of you know, players really sweating the spots in
Speaker 5: the hands, but there were no there was no negative
Speaker 5: but there was no fighting, There was no arguing, There
Speaker 5: was not even remotely.
Speaker 6: Anything like that.
Speaker 5: Everyone was super supportive anytime there was a hand or
Speaker 5: a clash or anything like that. A great group of guys,
Speaker 5: and you couldn't have been happier to make this finel table.
Speaker 2: With them on this final data that you got to play.
Speaker 4: Is there any frustration or any.
Speaker 3: Doubt about the way that things went, just because you've
Speaker 3: seen so handcoched. No.
Speaker 6: I mean I told that people like I, I.
Speaker 5: Really just did not have really a lot of spots
Speaker 5: to exercise any skills or strategy that I had hoped
Speaker 5: to do coming to the final table. But that happened
Speaker 5: to times. You know, I did my best to grind
Speaker 5: it out with the.
Speaker 6: Short stack, and I think I did pretty well, especially.
Speaker 5: Because I am not very confident in my supershours that game,
Speaker 5: but I think I did it right. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, a couple of hands go differently, and you
Speaker 5: know we could be having a different conversation, but uh, overall, fourth,
Speaker 5: what could use?
Speaker 4: How's it too bad for result?
Speaker 6: Coming in?
Speaker 3: You know where I was massive massive score past wise,
Speaker 3: what is the meaning of that? Because we love to
Speaker 3: talk about the experience and the fun Reultimately there's a
Speaker 3: lot of money you've ey won here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've said before, like I almost felt more stressed
Speaker 5: near the money bubble of this tournament, even though I
Speaker 5: was not really in jeopardy of bubbling.
Speaker 6: I just like felt like unsure of how.
Speaker 5: To navigate some spots for some other big stacks and
Speaker 5: things like that. Once I got past, you know, I
Speaker 5: bagged almost a very short stack on day four, and
Speaker 5: once I got past that and just kind of was like,
Speaker 5: all right, I'm just gonna like do what I can
Speaker 5: to play.
Speaker 6: I really had very little stress this the rest of
Speaker 6: this tournament and I just got to enjoy the ride.
Speaker 5: And they were never in stressful spots with you know,
Speaker 5: two three tables left.
Speaker 6: But again, it was a great group.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of fun at the feature on
Speaker 5: day eight with Deep and and I've had a Todd
Speaker 5: Brunson on on day seven. It's which we just were
Speaker 5: having fun, man, in the entire time and continue through.
Speaker 4: This model table.
Speaker 5: It was a little louder in here, a little less
Speaker 5: chat at the table, which you know was part of
Speaker 5: the fun.
Speaker 4: But uh, that's the model tables.
Speaker 6: You know, it's a lot of stress.
Speaker 3: So what do you think the long term impacts of
Speaker 3: this result will be on.
Speaker 4: Your life, on your put career?
Speaker 5: Oh geez, I don't know. I don't take too many
Speaker 5: live trips these days, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll get me for an extra one or two
Speaker 6: a year.
Speaker 4: What We'll have to say?
Speaker 6: It was just a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see how I feel what.
Speaker 2: I feel like final question was the supporters here.
Speaker 3: The gas wenty twenty sixth merch was was out in
Speaker 3: full force.
Speaker 4: You had a few notables on your rail as well.
Speaker 4: What'sn't been likely to share this with them?
Speaker 6: It's been unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I got to shout out BETAMGM for the merch and
Speaker 5: they did a great job with the hats and the
Speaker 5: T shirts and everything else.
Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: I have so many friends come in that you know,
Speaker 5: don't even necessarily.
Speaker 6: Understand all the rules of poker.
Speaker 5: And I think they're fans now this was maybe not
Speaker 5: necessarily they're expecting. But shout out to Greg Muller as
Speaker 5: you can hear them saying, yeah, it was just unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I just got my phone back for the first time
Speaker 5: today and just seeing the pouring of messages from people
Speaker 5: I haven't spoken.
Speaker 6: To in years and years and years is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: There's no other word for it.
Speaker 2: Thanks ChIL, thank you so much. Just trying to do enjoy.
Speaker 4: Johnny was still rolling.
Speaker 3: Just spoke to Gags and while I'm watching Gags talk
Speaker 3: to his friends of the media.
Speaker 4: We lost Mueller in third place.
Speaker 3: I think Muller could have gone out in any one
Speaker 3: of the places at the final table ninethe eight seven six, fifth,
Speaker 3: he ends up getting third. He brings the atmosphere. We
Speaker 3: got the chance in the background. How do you look
Speaker 3: back on Mueller's run.
Speaker 1: A roller coaster, wild, chaotic ride, and honestly, I would
Speaker 1: expect nothing less from full blown till. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what it was from start to finish. It was up,
Speaker 1: it was down, it was all over the place. We
Speaker 1: talked about the dark check, that snap calling, he folded
Speaker 1: jacks to aces on that crazy hand that ultimately eliminated
Speaker 1: Han Fang Like. I mean, it was the full blown
Speaker 1: tilt like theme park ride. That's what it was from
Speaker 1: start to finish. And you know, it's kind of epic
Speaker 1: that he that he went out, I guess going with
Speaker 1: a livery like calling it off there with how he did.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you got to handswer the guy. He's
Speaker 1: got what almost four million in the bank. Well done, sir,
Speaker 1: epic run from Mueller.
Speaker 3: And as we are standing here, we're wrapping up for
Speaker 3: the night, we're down to two players.
Speaker 4: It's maybe Junelan versus Sasklati.
Speaker 3: Looking at what unfold of today, Donnie, we are somehow set.
Speaker 4: Up for what could be an iconic heads up.
Speaker 1: Match tomorrow or I should say Wednesday. This could go
Speaker 1: eight hours, it could go eight minutes with how the
Speaker 1: I mean these guys when they were one and two
Speaker 1: and chips with with four players up, with five players up,
Speaker 1: they were not backing down from one another. You and
Speaker 1: I kept looking over at the mud there multiple times
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, there's sixty million in the pot. Oh
Speaker 1: there's seventy million in the pot. Oh he's putting them
Speaker 1: all in. Oh, here we go. So yeah, like, if
Speaker 1: these guys just pick up, I'm not even gonna say
Speaker 1: like two good hands, just kind of like marginal average hands.
Speaker 1: They could just go for it. And now they do
Speaker 1: have enough experience, enough knowledge of one another, where I
Speaker 1: think Jumalan probably correctly looks at Sascal audience says like, listen,
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna go for it. So I got to
Speaker 1: be willing to click the call button or make a
Speaker 1: big stand or whatever it is, and that could ultimately
Speaker 1: lead the things getting over quickly. Now that said, there
Speaker 1: is a four million dollar pay jump here, and these
Speaker 1: guys are very deep seventy seventy five big lines effective,
Speaker 1: So we could be here for a long, drown out match. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they're not going to be throwing
Speaker 1: haymakers back and forth, but it could just go back
Speaker 1: and forth for a while.
Speaker 3: It's really fascinating to see the evolution of Sascolati. I
Speaker 3: feel like we really got to know Jumalan very well
Speaker 3: in the base leading up to the final table and
Speaker 3: I'm you know, the playdown days, Dumalan has had the
Speaker 3: triplety for such a long time. He's almost sort of like,
Speaker 3: you know, you can see the imprints on his chair.
Speaker 2: From just being the tripley for such a long time.
Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, I noticed something, Because
Speaker 3: when Saskalati went basically perfect, perfect to stay alive versus
Speaker 3: Han Feng and busted or practice aces.
Speaker 2: I should say, all of a sudden something changed.
Speaker 4: The emotion that was on display. We had not seen
Speaker 4: from him at all.
Speaker 3: He was the cool fin all throughout yesterday's play. He
Speaker 3: was the cool thin all the way until that river
Speaker 3: cart hit, and then all of a sudden something changed.
Speaker 4: And we've seen much more emotion from him since.
Speaker 3: And I feel as though he's playing and acting as
Speaker 3: if he's on a free roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, we even saw him
Speaker 1: be really cool when he was on with the Kings
Speaker 1: versus Han Fing's Ace Jack right, like he wasn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people there, myself.
Speaker 1: Included probably would be would be like, oh crap, here
Speaker 1: comes the ace, like this is the massive spot.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 1: But he was just cool, just sat there in his chair.
Speaker 1: He was even asking the other players at the table
Speaker 1: about a previous handle, the borders running out of just
Speaker 1: crazy stuff like Sascolotti feels like he's like he smells
Speaker 1: blood in the water, like he's like okay, like like
Speaker 1: let's go fucking grab the bull by the horns and
Speaker 1: just take this thing down like I can actually do it.
Speaker 1: And I also don't think he's gonna shy away from
Speaker 1: playing his game, which I think is awesome. And if
Speaker 1: you're Jumalan, I think.
Speaker 4: Worst case scenario opponent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: Like if there was gonna be kryptonite to your Superman
Speaker 1: at this final tables, it's one at Sascolatti and it's two.
Speaker 1: It's Sascolotti with ammunition, and that's what he has. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have the chip lead, but he's got plenty to
Speaker 1: work with and he has shown that he does not
Speaker 1: give a crap and he will not back down from you.
Speaker 4: He's not gonna.
Speaker 1: Stand for your bullshit. So it could be one hell
Speaker 1: of a match. I mean, we know Jumalan, he's twenty
Speaker 1: two years old. He's got the bravado just just through
Speaker 1: the roof. He loves it. He constantly says I'm built
Speaker 1: for this, I'm ready for it. His playing style echoes that,
Speaker 1: and now you've got him going up against the finished
Speaker 1: guy who does not give a shit.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. I cannot wait. It's gonna be an epic
Speaker 3: heads up battle. But Donnie, one thing that's the wrinkle
Speaker 3: that we only have to deal with because of TV
Speaker 3: is that there's one hundred and eighty something big blinds
Speaker 3: in play and tomorrow there's a certain window in which
Speaker 3: this game gets shown to the entire American audience on ESPN,
Speaker 3: And by looking at this, at this chip count, and
Speaker 3: thinking back of iconic cats up matches we've had in
Speaker 3: the past, there's no telling whether we'll hit the window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we've heard that after a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time it might get preempted and kicked over to
Speaker 1: ESPN two, which isn't the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: But of course you wanted on the main ESPN channel. Now,
Speaker 1: I will also say that everything is probably subject to change,
Speaker 1: so well, I guess we'll see how it goes. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like if this thing does go a long time, it's
Speaker 1: gonna kind of start being a question like, okay, like
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. You know, we've been around plenty for
Speaker 1: some of these long not just the heads up matches.
Speaker 2: But tables where you know, it's been all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's six in the morning.
Speaker 4: It's seven in the morning.
Speaker 2: The hashtag is coming out.
Speaker 4: When will end before?
Speaker 2: The WSB will end before?
Speaker 4: Or whatever? You know, like all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, we got Juwan the.
Speaker 2: Crowdsurfing, crowdsurfing right now, this is out of control.
Speaker 1: They better not hurt their guy. He's got one more day,
Speaker 1: you know what this is.
Speaker 2: As long as he has one arm functional, he can
Speaker 2: still win this tournament.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the atmosphere here inside the horseshoe is electric.
Speaker 2: We are guessing some of the background noise here.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk to Mueller, We're gonna try to talk.
Speaker 4: To Jumalan and Susqualati. It's been an amazing day. The
Speaker 4: contrast could not be any bigger with the first day
Speaker 4: at the final table.
Speaker 1: So you guys heard it there first Gagliano. Then I
Speaker 1: happen to be standing right next to him, go so
Speaker 1: he just threw the microphone in my face and we.
Speaker 4: Talked about it.
Speaker 3: Well, the reason I did that was because there's so
Speaker 3: much more life to the recording. Yeah, when you hear
Speaker 3: all that noise and then like right now, we're sitting
Speaker 3: in a quiet room where everybody's riding their little recaps,
Speaker 3: and that moment was just so iconic.
Speaker 4: It was just insane.
Speaker 1: Well, the room had had become much more alive. It
Speaker 1: was already alive throughout this entire day, but in that
Speaker 1: moment with it was It was largely led by Greg
Speaker 1: fbt Mueller and his rail knowing that they made it
Speaker 1: to three handed play, and there might have even been
Speaker 1: a little bit of thought too that okay, the day
Speaker 1: is done right, because there is some thought that on
Speaker 1: day two you try and get down to three handed,
Speaker 1: then that's when you call it quits, and then you
Speaker 1: move into the next day and then it's three handed play, right,
Speaker 1: But that wasn't going to be the case. Here because
Speaker 1: they were so there were there's so many blinds on
Speaker 1: the table that they couldn't do that if they wanted
Speaker 1: the final day on Wednesday to be somewhat manageable. So
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Greg and his his rail said oh, we're
Speaker 1: onto the next day. So like they got a bit
Speaker 1: rowdy and they started chanting and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: and little did everyone know that it was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we got to go back in there. We got to
Speaker 1: get back in that arena and keep on playing. But
Speaker 1: it was it was some wild, wild times out there overall,
Speaker 1: and it was it was fun. I mean, Greg in
Speaker 1: that moment he had to feel super happy, and I
Speaker 1: know we'll hear from him in a bit. But just
Speaker 1: because you come into the day with sub ten bigs, right,
Speaker 1: and you screwed up that one big hand that might
Speaker 1: have been the hand that cost you the tournament or
Speaker 1: a top three finish or whatever. But then some fortunate
Speaker 1: situations happen on Tuesday and you are in the final three.
Speaker 1: Now you're far off of the other two players, yes,
Speaker 1: but at least you're in the fight, right, at least
Speaker 1: you're there and you're in it. So that must have
Speaker 1: in and of itself really felt like a win formuler.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know, he busted the very next hand
Speaker 3: after Gagliano busted in a hand that I thought he
Speaker 3: might be more regretful about. But as you'll be able
Speaker 3: to hear on the interview, no regrets totally, you know,
Speaker 3: at peace with what happened. And he even referred to
Speaker 3: the fact that he felt tense and he felt the
Speaker 3: pressure of one hundred people flying in from Canada and
Speaker 3: wanted to give them a bit of a show and
Speaker 3: a reason for you know, for a fun visit by
Speaker 3: him not busting in ninth. And then when he made
Speaker 3: the second day of the final table, all of a
Speaker 3: sudden things felt more more loose, and I guess in
Speaker 3: a way more real because you've got a few page
Speaker 3: jumps and all of a sudden, now you're in it.
Speaker 3: You got some some airtime, and uh yeah. He looked
Speaker 3: back on this experience with a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of really nice words.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: On his final hand is quickly before we talked to
Speaker 1: or we bring in Greg here blind verse blind against
Speaker 1: Sasclotti Sasclotti in the small blind limps Kings gets a
Speaker 1: bit tricky there. Mueller checks the ten four comes ace
Speaker 1: ace four, so a better two pair for Sasclotti, two
Speaker 1: pair for me as well. It goes check check turn
Speaker 1: jack bet from Sascolotti for the minimum a mount three million.
Speaker 1: Mueller calls River is a three, and Sasclotti decides to
Speaker 1: put Mueller all in. He actually did what he did earlier.
Speaker 1: He said fifty million, so which was I believe about
Speaker 1: a two point three x pot size bet. Given what
Speaker 1: Mueller had left, the fifty million did represent more than
Speaker 1: what Mueller had behind. Mueller tanked for a bit, ultimately
Speaker 1: said call his two pair. Of course, no good against Sascolotti.
Speaker 1: A lot of metagame going on here too. Obviously we
Speaker 1: talked about the hand that Mueller screwed up on the
Speaker 1: first day of the final table, which was against Sasclotti.
Speaker 1: That was when Sasclotti pulled that big bluff against him.
Speaker 1: So that's probably going through Greg's mind the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I think he thinks, you think, and
Speaker 1: it's all this leveling war and then ultimately Greg calls
Speaker 1: it off bad. But in the end he still did
Speaker 1: make his way to the final three, so I think
Speaker 1: he's happy for it. And here is Greg Mueller with
Speaker 1: Remco Right now.
Speaker 3: Greg, the fairy tale, the story, the rush to roller coaster,
Speaker 3: how do you want to put it? Has ended in
Speaker 3: third place? What's what's the emotion in this moment?
Speaker 7: You know, busting deep in the main event usually brings
Speaker 7: me negative emotions. I just busted the main event and
Speaker 7: I am on cloud nine. And it's I mean, there's
Speaker 7: several things, you know, the money's nice, the deep runs nice.
Speaker 4: The TV you guys are amazing.
Speaker 7: But I truly think it's from the heart and the
Speaker 7: soul of all these friends that flew in from Canada,
Speaker 7: stop their life, put their whole life on hold, and
Speaker 7: just stood here for hours, just bringing so much energy
Speaker 7: that how can you be sad busting in anything? And
Speaker 7: and And the thing is I played with that freedom
Speaker 7: all day today. You know, I was a bit nervous yesterday.
Speaker 7: First card I looked at was a jack. They had
Speaker 7: just gotten here, and I'm like, please, don't give me
Speaker 7: another jack. I don't want to run into it, you know,
Speaker 7: because I wanted them to have a good time. They
Speaker 7: they like, it's not easy just leaving family, coming here,
Speaker 7: and you know, but today we had such a good day.
Speaker 6: Yesterday I was a short stack today.
Speaker 7: There were no expectations. I went in free as can
Speaker 7: be and no restrictions, and it was probably the best
Speaker 7: day yet if you could believe it.
Speaker 3: You guys played one hundred and eight hand yesterday and
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, like it felt tense, it felt tight.
Speaker 3: It was a very different atmosphere from the vase prior
Speaker 3: that we saw. And then today, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I feel like a switch was flipped. You guys were
Speaker 3: a bit more loose.
Speaker 2: And then the hand that.
Speaker 3: Sort of kicked it all off was your first double up.
Speaker 3: You gave a round to high fives. You were high
Speaker 3: fiving Jumlan's rail. It seemed as though the party had started.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. I think heading into the final table after
Speaker 7: we had had a two and a half week break,
Speaker 7: nobody really wanted to bust in ninth. You know. People
Speaker 7: were like, well, I don't want to go there and
Speaker 7: come in ninth and make no extra money and be
Speaker 7: the first one out on TV. I want to get
Speaker 7: lots of love on exc right.
Speaker 4: And so once we.
Speaker 7: Made it today to today, it was kind of like,
Speaker 7: you know what, we're free rolling everything, Like we're free
Speaker 7: rolling a few pay jumps. We're free rolling TV. We're
Speaker 7: free rolling the fans that came out here, Like I
Speaker 7: just think it was more of a okay, we want
Speaker 7: to win, But I don't know That's what I felt.
Speaker 7: And I feel like people were definitely, like you said,
Speaker 7: a lot looser.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of massive decisions that you had
Speaker 4: to make.
Speaker 3: You know, you were all in twice you spiked it
Speaker 3: with the King jack, your ninees held up, and then
Speaker 3: you made a monster fold. You seemed super dialed in.
Speaker 3: Walk us through how you look back at the way
Speaker 3: you played.
Speaker 7: Very happy with the way I played, you know, like
Speaker 7: I said, Bucky was on my ass all the time
Speaker 7: about take your time, don't rush your decisions. Just think
Speaker 7: about the everything you're You have amazing instincts. If you
Speaker 7: bust and you go with the read like kind of here.
Speaker 7: You know, I thought I thought maybe my four was good.
Speaker 7: I lose zero sleep over that. What would have sucked
Speaker 7: as if I panicked and jammed twenty big blinds with
Speaker 7: a bad hand just because out of panic, you know,
Speaker 7: and and so very happy with my and like I said,
Speaker 7: he was on me all the time about you know,
Speaker 7: taking your time and using your instincts and there's no rush,
Speaker 7: and so yeah, it was very happy with that.
Speaker 3: A couple more small things when you listen back to
Speaker 3: this interview in twenty five years, just to you know,
Speaker 3: put a number on it. What do you want the
Speaker 3: Greg Mueller of the future to remember about what this
Speaker 3: experience was?
Speaker 4: Like? Just how much love and outpour.
Speaker 7: I have in my life because you know, in the end,
Speaker 7: and I'm a very competitive guy, and I wanted to
Speaker 7: bracelets so bad, but in the end, everybody leaves and
Speaker 7: you don't take anything with you. What you have is
Speaker 7: your legacy and your love and respect that you have
Speaker 7: from your.
Speaker 6: Friends and family.
Speaker 7: And I mean this is it's beyond comprehension, the euphoria
Speaker 7: that I feel.
Speaker 4: Final one, what's the party going to be?
Speaker 3: Like? How are you going to get this entire crew
Speaker 3: into one place? Are you going to rent something out?
Speaker 3: What's going to happen where.
Speaker 4: We go on again? Again?
Speaker 7: Like everything, I never really plan much, you know. I
Speaker 7: want to try and get a few things taken care of,
Speaker 7: loose ends, and then whatever these guys want to do.
Speaker 7: I have a few connections. I'll try and figure out
Speaker 7: either take a whole restaurant out or or or you know,
Speaker 7: take one of these night clubs and splash around a
Speaker 7: few bottles and you know, pay my respect back.
Speaker 3: To these guys, and then that's it. Then we're done.
Speaker 3: Heads up, heads up. Yeah, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we know, we know what the matchup is. We know
Speaker 3: that we're going to be watching an exciting heads up battle.
Speaker 3: These are not folders, these are not limpers. I believe
Speaker 3: the School of Pads probably has some sort of prescription
Speaker 3: on how Jumalan should approach this. You probably know better.
Speaker 3: You know Pads quite well. But ultimately I think Susclothi,
Speaker 3: as as I mentioned in our earlier conversation, Sus not
Speaker 3: the is the only player in my mind who has
Speaker 3: a chance against Jumalan, and now he gets to prove
Speaker 3: it because it's one hundred and nine bigs versus seventy
Speaker 3: five bigs, and that means that we could be here
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, well we talked to both players. You grabbed Jumalan,
Speaker 1: I grab Sascoltti. We'll play Sascolotti first here. But you
Speaker 1: could tell that he kind of has this no care attitude,
Speaker 1: but you can also sense that it's dangerous. He's kind
Speaker 1: of like a gangster out there like it's calm, but
Speaker 1: you know, at any moment he could just kill you,
Speaker 1: like you know, figuratively speaking. It's just it's absolutely wild
Speaker 1: how this guy has the utmost confidence does not back down.
Speaker 1: I know he did show that crazy amount of emotion
Speaker 1: earlier in that big hand that we talked about against
Speaker 1: Han Feng, but other than that, he has been an
Speaker 1: absolute stone faced killer out there and that could ultimately
Speaker 1: get the better of Jumalan. I mean, we'll see he's
Speaker 1: not going to back down. I don't think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be much pre flop folding in this mat which I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna see plenty of flops, even if they
Speaker 1: are raised or three bet or even four bet pots.
Speaker 1: Sascallotti will probably be somebody who's looking to ramp up
Speaker 1: the aggression a bit more. Just that's the nature of
Speaker 1: his play, that's how he's wanted to play things so far.
Speaker 1: Jumalan will probably be a little bit more conserved, pot
Speaker 1: ConTroll ish, but he can also bring out the hammer
Speaker 1: in his own right. It's going to be very interesting
Speaker 1: to see what happens, and it doesn't have to happen
Speaker 1: early on or if it happens a little later on
Speaker 1: the match or whatever. But if Jumalan does ultimately fall behind,
Speaker 1: he has not been out of the first spot the
Speaker 1: entire final table. So what does that feel like? You know,
Speaker 1: when you do look over at your opponent and you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: now he's the one with three hundred million and I
Speaker 1: got two fifty, you know, how does that possibly change things?
Speaker 1: So but here is Laurie Sascolotti after play. He was
Speaker 1: he was a bit kind of tired on the way out,
Speaker 1: understandably so so only got a couple questions in. But
Speaker 1: I think you guys can definitely get age the confidence
Speaker 1: that he has going into heads up play. All right,
Speaker 1: just tell me about how you think the day went.
Speaker 1: Do you think it went as you expected or a
Speaker 1: bit of a surprises along the way.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I was expecting that it would be
Speaker 8: a quick day, so I was expecting pretty fast eliminations.
Speaker 8: I didn't have the best start myself, but I was
Speaker 8: still confident obviously.
Speaker 4: I mean this was.
Speaker 8: Pretty much the perfect day for me, so kind of
Speaker 8: complain really about anything. And I got super lucky against
Speaker 8: Han thing other than that, it was pretty I'll say
Speaker 8: I didn't have any big decisions to make. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously I'm super excited. I'm happy to see.
Speaker 4: How it went for me.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that moment against han Fan, because you
Speaker 1: haven't been overly emotional at least on the outside so far,
Speaker 1: but that moment everything changed, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, I mean seeing the flop of pretty much growing dead.
Speaker 8: Then I saw the jack on the turn. I was
Speaker 8: here with my rail. Sometimes you get a feeling my
Speaker 8: rail that the Queen is coming when it's hit. Yeah,
Speaker 8: everything kind of Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, how do you go into tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Lucas does have the chip Ley, but you have plenty
Speaker 1: of ammunition on your side, and you haven't been someone
Speaker 1: you mentioned confidence, You haven't been someone who's backed down
Speaker 1: at all out this event. So are you Are you
Speaker 1: just ready to go and just throw blows with him?
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm fully ready. I mean I played with Lucas
Speaker 8: I think on day five or or We had a
Speaker 8: lot of battles already back then, so I think most
Speaker 8: of us are prepared to have a nice battle on
Speaker 8: the headshop. So I'm fully ready. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 8: But I have yeah, I mean, I have full confidence
Speaker 8: in myself.
Speaker 1: So that was Laurie soaske loott He's gonna have two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million in chips to start heads
Speaker 1: up play. That represents seventy five big blinds. Yes, Lucas
Speaker 1: Jumalan has more, but effectively they will be playing seventy
Speaker 1: big blind deep poker, which is crazy deep for heads
Speaker 1: up in a poker tournament. So you know, this thing,
Speaker 1: to me could go eight minutes, it could go eight
Speaker 1: hours or anything in between. And I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be super fun.
Speaker 3: I think that the panic button will get smashed if
Speaker 3: within the first twenty five minutes we see both players
Speaker 3: limp the button every single time. We just have to
Speaker 3: hope for some raises and some three bets. But ultimately,
Speaker 3: you know this, this has all the ingredients to go
Speaker 3: down as an epic battle. Let's hope for one. Let's
Speaker 3: hope for it to be entertaining. And you know, if
Speaker 3: you judge things by Jumalan's words, the excitement he carries,
Speaker 3: how he recognizes how big this spot is, and how
Speaker 3: he references to the act that and this is I
Speaker 3: believe in the interview with Jeff how he and Subsqual
Speaker 3: subsqually already played played some heads up pots on day
Speaker 3: five and said to each other, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 3: get heads up in this thing. That's crazy. Now they
Speaker 3: are heads up, and they both actually called it out
Speaker 3: in the interview with Jeff when they wrapped up for
Speaker 3: the night. It's just ridiculous. And uh, yeah, all I'll
Speaker 3: say is that this is on audio, so you obviously
Speaker 3: can't see him, but the the amount of poise and
Speaker 3: the amount of I guess maturity that you see when
Speaker 3: you speak to Jumalan is something very rare. And I
Speaker 3: almost want to say he's got that that that champion
Speaker 3: sort of attitude around him.
Speaker 2: Lucas, you're on the rail of your friends.
Speaker 3: We just saw you crowd serving sum up this whole
Speaker 3: experience up until this point.
Speaker 9: First of all, that was a little scary, but I
Speaker 9: might not be doing that one again. But you know,
Speaker 9: it's just I don't even really have words for it.
Speaker 9: It's just so awesome, and uh to get the chance
Speaker 9: to be an ambassador for the game and all the
Speaker 9: all the all the young hits out there would uh
Speaker 9: would be my honor. You know, like hopefully hopefully somebody
Speaker 9: out there looks at this and goes, I can I can.
Speaker 9: I can do that and puts the work in and
Speaker 9: really goes after it.
Speaker 3: Today was such a riveting day of play for us
Speaker 3: watching from the sidelines, compared to yesterday, where things were
Speaker 3: moving pretty slow. What was it like for you to
Speaker 3: be in it with the constant action, A lot more
Speaker 3: all ins, a lot more pressure, a lot more aggression.
Speaker 9: You know, I saw them ragging on us on Twitter,
Speaker 9: so you know I had to I had to pick
Speaker 9: it up a little bit. But you know, it was
Speaker 9: it was It was fun. I like I like playing
Speaker 9: I like playing a lot of hands.
Speaker 2: So this just fits me. So, you know, great day.
Speaker 3: So one thing I noticed when Laurie went Runner Runner
Speaker 3: to Stay Alive Versusasis, something seems to change in his
Speaker 3: personality and in the way that he was playing, almost.
Speaker 4: As if he was on a free roll.
Speaker 3: His aggression picked up, he seemed more relaxed, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, this new.
Speaker 4: Type of player emerged. Because you had not very much
Speaker 4: competition up until that point.
Speaker 3: What's I like to go up against the one player
Speaker 3: that might not be too scared to play against you?
Speaker 9: Oh, I mean, none of none of these guys would
Speaker 9: have been scared to play heads up. It's it's poker,
Speaker 9: and they're all fantastic poker players.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't take anybody lightly, and certainly not him. Me
Speaker 9: and him have been literally battling since day five.
Speaker 1: Souh.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's just really cool to be heads
Speaker 2: up with him.
Speaker 9: Couldn't couldn't be a better guy too.
Speaker 1: Just a kid with a dream man Lucas Jumalan, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be I know you mentioned possibly hitting the panic
Speaker 1: button with some pre flop limping. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would be so worried if we start seeing that, because
Speaker 1: I think these guys are two guys who we could
Speaker 1: see some pre flop limping, but then pots could easily
Speaker 1: all of a sudden be like we're on the turn
Speaker 1: and there's sixty million in there, and like what the
Speaker 1: heck just happened? It was like bett Ray's re raised call.
Speaker 1: Here we go, oh, like, yeah, this is it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun. And I hope, I really hope. And maybe
Speaker 1: this is just a poker fan in me hoping that
Speaker 1: we're not building up the anticipation too much and that
Speaker 1: it's just a dud of a heads up match. But
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine that it is. I almost feel
Speaker 1: like obviously both players I think, really want to win, right. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think Jumalan just wants to play really good poker
Speaker 1: and he believes that that will ultimately win him the tournament.
Speaker 1: I almost feel like Sascolotti wants to win with flair,
Speaker 1: Like he wants to do it with style in one way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, So whether that's along the way, running
Speaker 1: some insane bluff, making a big call like whatever it is,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, even when he's saying things like fifty,
Speaker 1: let's gamble, like he he wants that, you know, Like
Speaker 1: it comes down to like how he combs his hair,
Speaker 1: the glasses he's wearing, what he's dressed in, like you
Speaker 1: can tell that's his. And I think he wants to
Speaker 1: not just win it, but win it in a way
Speaker 1: that is remembered for a specific thing, being like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy who did that, right, So that could
Speaker 1: then lead itself to some craziness, some fireworks during this
Speaker 1: heads up match. And if you're coaching Lucas Jumelan, I
Speaker 1: think you just got to be like listen, man, be
Speaker 1: ready for anything with this guy. He does not care
Speaker 1: about you he's not going to back down from your tipstack.
Speaker 1: You know you would, you would because he's not a
Speaker 1: professional player, you know, more of a semi pro player.
Speaker 1: Even if that, you know, to him, six million dollars
Speaker 1: is probably enough of a win right now. So it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's expected that Jumalan should win, and
Speaker 1: with that comes a little bit more pressure at times.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it all plays out. But I'm
Speaker 1: ready for this one. I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a crazy fun match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how we haven't even really talked about
Speaker 3: payouts much, but you know, Mueller got three points seven
Speaker 3: to five million exactly on two points seventy five million,
Speaker 3: and then they're now guaranteed six million playing heads up
Speaker 3: for four million, ten million up top for the winner.
Speaker 3: We'll we'll we'll find out tomorrow who will get to
Speaker 3: hang their banner inside the Paris poker room or inside
Speaker 3: the horseshoe wherever they put those things these days. But
Speaker 3: it's it's iconic, you know, they're they're playing for the banner,
Speaker 3: they're playing for the for the for the honor and
Speaker 3: the the you know, lifelong fame that comes with becoming
Speaker 3: the main event champion, and I think I saw a
Speaker 3: tweet from from Matt Salzburg who said if Susculatuti wins,
Speaker 3: he'll probably buy a boat and we'll never see him again,
Speaker 3: which I think very true. I think it's probably very true.
Speaker 1: So whereas Lucas Jumlan, I think I think maybe in
Speaker 1: the interview with Jeff Platt afterwards, he said like I'm
Speaker 1: ready to be Poker's ambassador. Yeah, he said that, like
Speaker 1: he's that he.
Speaker 3: Wants that, And I think I think as as a
Speaker 3: community we should sort of in a way root for
Speaker 3: the guy who wants it.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean we obviously don't. We don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: if if Sasclotti wants her not, just because he hasn't
Speaker 1: been vocal about it. You know, I could certainly see Sascelotti.
Speaker 1: I think there's been some kind of jokes throwing around
Speaker 1: with like is this guy gonna quit his.
Speaker 4: Job or not?
Speaker 1: I'm guessing yes.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I mean he's gonna get some
Speaker 3: invites to come play at the studio with his finished friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that would be great to.
Speaker 1: See probas see him the hundred k PLO next year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: With as much money.
Speaker 1: He said he loves PLO.
Speaker 4: Let's go. That'd be amazing.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just excited for tomorrow, and I'm also
Speaker 3: excited that I get to go to bed before midnight
Speaker 3: to night.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: It's eight thirty pm. So we're gonna wrap this one up.
Speaker 1: You guys are listening to this likely on Wednesday, it
Speaker 1: will be the final, final, final day for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six WISP, for the twenty twenty six Doubicipy main event.
Speaker 1: We are going to crown a world champion. Somebody is
Speaker 1: going to walk away ten million dollars richer, and it's
Speaker 1: either gonna be Lucas Jumalan or Lori Sasclotti. For Remkrink,
Speaker 1: my name is Donnie Peters and we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: guys next time.
Speaker 3: Jennie fo