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Speaker 2: I'll just everywhere on the iHeartRadio that as.
Speaker 1: You get older, you learn to appreciate the very things
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Speaker 2: Differences.
Speaker 1: Differences, Differences are great and also nice and smart goes
Speaker 1: much further than a spark right away.
Speaker 2: Than a hat.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need a spark, but not like you
Speaker 1: don't need you know, he doesn't need to be you know, well,
Speaker 1: I won't paint that picture.
Speaker 2: Speaking of sparks.
Speaker 3: The Senate right now is one of the committees is
Speaker 3: going after some of our intelligence leaders. Director of National
Speaker 3: Intelligence is up there, Telsea Gabbard, the head of the CIA,
Speaker 3: Cash Betel, the director of the The.
Speaker 2: Lighting, the lighting is not going away.
Speaker 1: It's the apprentice lighting from the reality show of twenty Years.
Speaker 3: This is Michael Bennett, Senator from Colorado.
Speaker 2: Sloppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies and
Speaker 2: the personnel who work for him is entirely on amable.
Speaker 2: It's an embarrassment. Seive, Senator, you need to do better.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the intelligence meeting. I was talking about
Speaker 1: the Oh that's still the Capitol.
Speaker 2: Why does the lighting look dimmer there too? A different channel.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I wonder if the lighting from yesterday at
Speaker 1: the White House is going to continue.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought I was looking at.
Speaker 1: But yes, the fact that this is so political, right
Speaker 1: like had it been the Democrats that had been talking
Speaker 1: on Signal the app or whatever their own private emails,
Speaker 1: same damn thing. It's just maddening the how hypocritical everything
Speaker 1: is in Washington.
Speaker 3: So you broke this at least on our show yesterday,
Speaker 3: we talked about this where it turns out that a reporter,
Speaker 3: actually the editor in chief now for the Atlantic magazine,
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in a text chain of the
Speaker 3: highest level cabinet members that exist, basically Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 3: Secretary of State, Vice President of the United States, the
Speaker 3: director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, and
Speaker 3: all of them discussing our upcoming actions against Hohothi's in Yemen.
Speaker 3: And when Jeffrey Goldberg I read through this whole piece
Speaker 3: that he put in the Atlantic yesterday explaining it. When
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg got a notification that he had been involved
Speaker 3: in the houthy PC small group. He immediately thought, this
Speaker 3: has got to be fake. Not only is it fake,
Speaker 3: it's probably a trap. He thought it was going to
Speaker 3: be one of those finger quotes journalist groups that goes
Speaker 3: out and tries to catch reporters and prove that they're
Speaker 3: left leaning tools or something like that. So he did
Speaker 3: nothing as part of this group. He didn't respond, he
Speaker 3: didn't add any input. He didn't go, hey, guys, it's
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic. You probably don't want me
Speaker 3: in here. He didn't do anything because he thought it
Speaker 3: was fake.
Speaker 1: Eric Leonard was the first reporter that I remember before
Speaker 1: even apps were a thing, at least not a thing
Speaker 1: like they are now.
Speaker 2: Who used this.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Signal and the very infancy as
Speaker 1: a way to communicate with sources in LA and.
Speaker 3: Elsewhere, because it's end to end ENCRYPTID, right, so it
Speaker 3: would be harder for someone to tap into and find
Speaker 3: your secrets.
Speaker 1: Exactly, So it wouldn't be out of the realm of
Speaker 1: possibility that a trusted reporter would be on your signal
Speaker 1: contact lists or whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know I've never used it.
Speaker 1: I have no sources, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be out of the realm that he would
Speaker 1: be added to the group chat if he was in
Speaker 1: contact with these people off the record, on the record.
Speaker 1: Wink wink, it's not It's not like it's not like
Speaker 1: Joe Blow in Peoria is getting the war plans. It's
Speaker 1: people that are probably trusted with high level information anyway
Speaker 1: in this group, like Jeffrey Goldberg. And yes, he should
Speaker 1: not have been included, and should war plans be talked
Speaker 1: about on an app These are all discussions to have.
Speaker 1: But it's not like some massive breach of information got
Speaker 1: into the wrong hands. It's not like China was made
Speaker 1: privy to this.
Speaker 3: So and I told you that that when when he
Speaker 3: first was realized that he'd been included in this chat,
Speaker 3: he thought it was fake. And then he thought, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe I was included on this by one of either
Speaker 3: one of these high level cabinet members or one of
Speaker 3: their you know, direct underlings who would have set up
Speaker 3: the meeting because they wanted to leak the information to
Speaker 3: the guy he who would write it up in the
Speaker 3: in the Atlantic magazine. Now he still hadn't come to
Speaker 3: any conclusion about exactly what it was, and the information
Speaker 3: back and forth was pretty interesting, just in terms of
Speaker 3: the difference of opinion between say, the Vice President and
Speaker 3: the Secretary of Defense when it came to the actual
Speaker 3: attack that was supposed to take place on the hoo
Speaker 3: Thi's in Yemen because of their attacks on maritime and military.
Speaker 1: Assets, and that to me is a fascinating part of
Speaker 1: the story. And we'll get into that coming up next
Speaker 1: because that is interesting how they communicate with each other
Speaker 1: when it comes down to things like this. The President,
Speaker 1: by the way, did tell NBC News today that National
Speaker 1: Security Advisor Mike Waltz has learned a lesson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's supposedly the guy that set the whole thing up,
Speaker 3: invited the members to the group, and it would have
Speaker 3: been Michael Waltz who had Jeffrey Goldberg's number or contact
Speaker 3: information and somehow in included him in the text chain
Speaker 3: to begin with. So, like I said, Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Ratcliffe,
Speaker 3: Director CIA Cash Bettel from FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency,
Speaker 3: they were all talking before a Senate committee this morning,
Speaker 3: and this was one of the main topics. So we'll
Speaker 3: play some of that and what Pete Hegseeth says about
Speaker 3: what happened. He made some comments today about Jeffrey Goldberg
Speaker 3: basically calling him a flat out liar about what was
Speaker 3: in Well.
Speaker 1: I don't look to Pete hag Seth as the bastion.
Speaker 2: But he's the Secretary of Defense. He should be.
Speaker 1: He should be, but he's not. Did you expect him
Speaker 1: to be? Come on, but the pearl clutching on Capitol
Speaker 1: Hill is rich.
Speaker 2: Well, just say that Gary and Shannon will continue.
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Speaker 3: As Amy just mentioned getting word out of Washington that
Speaker 3: there are now separate agreements between Ukraine and the United
Speaker 3: States and Russia and the United States to ensure safe
Speaker 3: navigation in the Black Sea, to try to implement a
Speaker 3: ban against strikes against energy facilities in those two countries.
Speaker 3: White House said in a statement today that Washington's going
Speaker 3: to try to help restore Russia's access to the world
Speaker 3: market for agriculture and fertilizer exports and will continue facilitating
Speaker 3: talks on both sides as they try to come somewhere
Speaker 3: something a little bit closer, perhaps to some sort of
Speaker 3: ceasefire in that area. We've been following the story top
Speaker 3: national security officials, including the Defense Secretary. We're texting war
Speaker 3: plans for upcoming military strikes in Yemen to a group
Speaker 3: chat in what is otherwise a secure messaging app that
Speaker 3: includes editor in chief of the Atlantic. Unfortunately for them,
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg wrote a huge piece in what was going
Speaker 3: On sorry, in the Atlantic magazine about what was going
Speaker 3: on on this text chain, and the Secretary of Defense
Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth had said that this, in fact was not
Speaker 3: a war plan. He said so on the tarmac after
Speaker 3: he got off an airplane earlier today and then sorry,
Speaker 3: it was yesterday that he said that. At the writer
Speaker 3: for the piece itself, again, Jeffrey Goldberg had said, that's
Speaker 3: a complete lie. This was one hundred percent a war plan,
Speaker 3: to the point where I recognized it and knew I
Speaker 3: shouldn't publish it.
Speaker 1: We heard from Secretary heg set They were saying that
Speaker 1: nobody was texting war plans, given you were privated this
Speaker 1: group chat, is that how you saw it?
Speaker 5: No, that's a lie. He was texting war plans. He
Speaker 5: was texting attack plans when targets were going to be targeted,
Speaker 5: how they were going to be targeted, who was at
Speaker 5: the targets, when the next sequence of attacks for happening.
Speaker 5: I didn't publish this, and I continue not to publish
Speaker 5: it because it felt like it was too confidential.
Speaker 3: In fact, there were certain things the other things that
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg did not put in his Atlantic piece, some names,
Speaker 3: for example, of what he believed were active CIA intelligence agents,
Speaker 3: So he had at least the wherewithal the smarts to
Speaker 3: not include some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, you can frame it however you want
Speaker 1: to frame it. You can say these weren't war plans specifically.
Speaker 1: If they were war plans, they would be official war plans,
Speaker 1: and they would be done this way, and they would
Speaker 1: go through Congress. And you can absolutely make that argument
Speaker 1: and be considered not lying. But you can also make
Speaker 1: the argument that justin PTE. Hagseth's communicate alone, you're absolutely
Speaker 1: planning for war action.
Speaker 3: Well, and it was whatever it was, war plan, not
Speaker 3: war plan, kind of war plan. It was specific enough
Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Goldberg knew when this was going to happen.
Speaker 3: So if nothing else, even if they didn't get into
Speaker 3: the details of the actual bombs that they were going
Speaker 3: to use, or where these assets were going to be
Speaker 3: coming from, et cetera. He knew the timing of it,
Speaker 3: which is also an important aspect when it comes to
Speaker 3: the intelligence to keep classified.
Speaker 2: He knew enough to.
Speaker 3: Sit in a grocery store parking lot and look at
Speaker 3: Twitter a few minutes after this thing was scheduled to
Speaker 3: begin and realize that bombs had started falling throughout Yemen.
Speaker 1: I guess I should understand that in twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: we communicate via text, and why I should expect something
Speaker 1: more at this level, I don't know. But it's very
Speaker 1: odd to see this conversation in text form in an app. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you and I texting balls jokes. They're talking about
Speaker 1: green lighting war plans, so it be attacked like it's
Speaker 1: odd to.
Speaker 3: Me the way it was described in that hearing today
Speaker 3: in the Senate. Specifically, it was Michael Ratcliffe, the director
Speaker 3: of the CIA, who talked about the use of this
Speaker 3: specific app and apps like it that are otherwise encrypted.
Speaker 3: It's not iPhone messaging, it's not you know, back and
Speaker 3: forth with the green bubbles, but he said that it's
Speaker 3: very common for people in government, even in intelligence agencies,
Speaker 3: to use this app, but they use it to kind
Speaker 3: of direct people to other aspects of information. For example,
Speaker 3: he said that they would use the Signal app maybe
Speaker 3: to set up meetings or use the Signal app to
Speaker 3: give people a heads up, Hey, I've got a classified
Speaker 3: document that's headed your way. In the regular classified document
Speaker 3: email system that we use that this kind of information,
Speaker 3: even if it's low level or or not granular level
Speaker 3: warp plans, that's not the kind of stuff that they
Speaker 3: would normally share on that kind of an app.
Speaker 1: Pete hag Seth, by the way, make some good points
Speaker 1: I mean, hate him, love him whatever. In this communicay
Speaker 1: he talks about Pete haig Seth says VP obviously Vice president.
Speaker 1: I understand your concerns, fully support you're raising this with
Speaker 1: potus important considerations, much of which are tough to know
Speaker 1: how they play out parentheses, economy, Ukraine, piece, gods, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who the who the these are, which is
Speaker 1: why we need to stay focused on number one Biden
Speaker 1: failed and number two Ron funded waiting a few weeks
Speaker 1: or a month does not fundamentally change the calculus. Two
Speaker 1: immediate risks on waiting. Number one, this leaks and we
Speaker 1: look indecisive. Number two, Israel takes action first or Godza
Speaker 1: cease fire falls apart and we don't get to start
Speaker 1: this on our own terms. We can manage both were
Speaker 1: prepared to execute. I mean, I'm more confident in Pete
Speaker 1: Haigesath upon reading this than I have been. Well, he's
Speaker 1: making great point logical points of how they should move
Speaker 1: forward with this.
Speaker 3: And like you said, I mean the idea that jd
Speaker 3: Vance for example, Again, the way that Jeffrey Goldberg wrote
Speaker 3: this was he was still doubting whether this was even real,
Speaker 3: so he would say stuff like the account that was
Speaker 3: labeled jd Vance.
Speaker 2: He didn't say. The vice president then text, well.
Speaker 1: Jd Vance comes across as a dip ass. Again, I
Speaker 1: mean I thought he came across as a dipss in
Speaker 1: that Oval Office meeting. And again I haven't always thought
Speaker 1: that way about jd Vance. My thinking has evolved. He
Speaker 1: came across as a child in that Oval office meeting
Speaker 1: with Zelenski.
Speaker 2: Have you even said thank you?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you sound like a kid on
Speaker 1: the playground, and he comes across similarly in this text chain.
Speaker 3: Well, but what I I don't disagree with that necessarily,
Speaker 3: but you've got to have somebody in the group that's
Speaker 3: going to say no, or at least raise their hand
Speaker 3: and go, wait a minute, we should we.
Speaker 2: Need to talk about it.
Speaker 3: We need to ask the questions of if we bomb
Speaker 3: Yemen into last Tuesday, then we need to make sure
Speaker 3: that we know our European allies are going to are
Speaker 3: gonna have some reaction to this, the oil markets are
Speaker 3: going to have some reaction to this, like have that
Speaker 3: open discussion before you simply pull the trigger on something
Speaker 3: like that. And I don't I don't mind that kind
Speaker 3: if somebody in the room is going to do it.
Speaker 1: If you put it that way, that's one thing. But
Speaker 1: jd Vance puts it in here, I just hate bailing
Speaker 1: out Europe again again sounding like a child.
Speaker 2: Well, and then Pete Hexeth, Yeah, he says.
Speaker 1: I share your loathing of European free loading. It's pathetic.
Speaker 1: But and then he goes on to be the adult
Speaker 1: in the chat.
Speaker 3: Frankly, again, it was crazy that Jeffrey Gold they use.
Speaker 1: They're using emojis, you guys like it's it's troubling, it's
Speaker 1: I do not want to see text chains of the
Speaker 1: major players in intelligence and defense now setting each other
Speaker 1: emojis like fire American flag, happy face.
Speaker 3: No, and a fist. Good lord listen. And the White
Speaker 3: House has confirmed this is legit. Those are the people
Speaker 3: that they say they were. They all admitted they.
Speaker 2: Did learn their lessons.
Speaker 3: Tulci Gabbert today didn't specifically say she was involved with
Speaker 3: the chat, but the director of the CIA was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm Michael Ratliffe, A Ratcliffe, the guy who's in this
Speaker 3: text chain.
Speaker 2: So the White House has said it was true.
Speaker 3: But like you said, President Trump, if Michael Wallace was
Speaker 3: the guy who originated this text chain and put the
Speaker 3: group together, he was the one responsible. And President Trump
Speaker 3: just basically said he's learned his lesson.
Speaker 2: He's a good guy.
Speaker 1: What a fun exercise to go through. Though, If you're
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Goldberg, you're privy to this, You've got this on
Speaker 1: your phone, you've got this whole thing. Do you use
Speaker 1: it as leverage in the future, or do you play
Speaker 1: your hand now? Obviously he played his hand now, and
Speaker 1: I think that that will I think that was the
Speaker 1: correct play with this crew. Interesting but a fun exercise
Speaker 1: to go through if you are privy to that information.
Speaker 3: And guys, guys, before you put the text chain together,
Speaker 3: make sure you know who everybody's number is.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm in a group text with a couple of
Speaker 1: my girlfriends and we've got like three group texts and
Speaker 1: one of them involves husbands and one of them does not,
Speaker 1: And sometimes we think we're talking on the one that
Speaker 1: does not involve the husbands, and we.
Speaker 2: Say like awful things like about the husband.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, things like no, it took
Speaker 1: me four hours to shave my legs.
Speaker 2: Who I'm so fat today?
Speaker 1: Like stuff like that, and then we're like, oops, rum chain,
Speaker 1: Like I.
Speaker 2: Want to be part of that text chain, though, do
Speaker 2: you really funny?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll add to you. We'll see how long you last.
Speaker 1: All right, Canadians are now pissed off of the US.
Speaker 1: They don't want to come here for vacation. Even Gary
Speaker 1: and Shannon will continue.
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Speaker 1: Getting some heat on the whole. The texting of the
Speaker 1: warplans is odd. I don't like to see it in text.
Speaker 1: Whatever I said, had somebody call in saying that it's illegal.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, something that is going on in Washington
Speaker 1: between the powers that b is illegal.
Speaker 2: New stop it. Of course it's illegal.
Speaker 1: Of course, using apps that are not encrypted and don't
Speaker 1: protect government information is illegal. Of Course, it was probably
Speaker 1: illegal when Hillary Clinton used her BlackBerry.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to go down this road. I'll
Speaker 2: go down this road.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: The rules back then with the State Department were very
Speaker 1: lax when it came to personal email. The rules didn't
Speaker 1: keep up with the technology. But the idea that this
Speaker 1: is the first illegal communicate on an app that government
Speaker 1: officials have been caught in or engaged in, is freaking
Speaker 1: Pollyanna crap.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Come on, if you and I talk about the content, the.
Speaker 1: Content stupid enough to put it in a text conversation
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying that That's what I'm saying is that, yes,
Speaker 1: I understand the conversations happened. This conversation happens. It should
Speaker 1: be happening in person, not over text, and not over
Speaker 1: tax That's my point.
Speaker 3: And you and I again, we can spend an entire
Speaker 3: twenty minutes talking about how stupid this was, how Michael
Speaker 3: Walls could easily lose his job for being So, what's the.
Speaker 2: Word I'm looking for? Careless? Careless? Thank you, that's you say,
Speaker 2: that's what careless? Hillary Clinton? Okay to include a.
Speaker 3: Journalist as part of this text Chaine, Yes, that's ridiculous
Speaker 3: and idiocy. Then if you talk about the content of
Speaker 3: the messages and you go, ah, I like to see
Speaker 3: that someone raises their hand and says, hey, let's pump
Speaker 3: the brakes on this, or I like to see PTGX
Speaker 3: say something smart about the then it becomes somehow we're
Speaker 3: whitewashing the idiocy that brought us the information in the
Speaker 3: first place.
Speaker 2: And that's not what we're doing now.
Speaker 1: I'm just finding things that are more interesting than they
Speaker 1: got caught using this so called encrypted app to talk
Speaker 1: about war plans, asked and answered that was news, like
Speaker 1: you said, we broke yesterday on this show. Now we're
Speaker 1: hearing the substance of the text chain, and that stuff's
Speaker 1: more interesting to me than sitting there.
Speaker 2: And crying on to the top of my mountain and saying,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're horrible, illgal.
Speaker 1: But what can we learn from the communication from the
Speaker 1: powers that be, from the people that are making intelligence decisions.
Speaker 1: How about that's interesting. Yes it was wrong, Yes it
Speaker 1: was illegal.
Speaker 2: All of that. This is nothing new for Washington. You
Speaker 2: know what is new. The weather was warm yesterday. Woodland
Speaker 2: Hills said it you trying to put lips to gone up?
Speaker 2: Trying to put beef tallow on my face? Did you
Speaker 2: put it on this? I did not put it on
Speaker 2: this morning. I can tell, can't you. I didn't. I
Speaker 2: look pretty scraggly.
Speaker 1: The importance of a skincare routine. Oh dear, it's consistency.
Speaker 2: Honey pants.
Speaker 3: My wife asked me why I wasn't going to put
Speaker 3: it on last night? Yeah, did you watch your face?
Speaker 3: You put on beef tallow And I said, no, I'm
Speaker 3: it's not like a beef towel all over my pillow,
Speaker 3: in my NEETs, and.
Speaker 1: Your face absorbs it, especially when it's that dehydrated.
Speaker 3: Woodland Hills had a record it's ninety five degrees yesterday.
Speaker 2: That was being joke. Your skin does not look dehydrated.
Speaker 3: Balm Dale hit eighty four degrees that tied the record.
Speaker 3: Pass Robles hit a record of eighty six degrees.
Speaker 2: It wasn't about the milk. Apparently not. I was about
Speaker 2: the beef tallow.
Speaker 1: But you should put it on in the evening and
Speaker 1: in the morning if you want it to work, if
Speaker 1: you want, there's a reason you have it. If you
Speaker 1: only use it intermittently, you're not going to see the
Speaker 1: results that you want to see. All right, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the Canadians.
Speaker 2: I want to see. Yeah, I want.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't know what you want until we tell you. Yes,
Speaker 1: you want to talk Canadians or mushroom. Okay, we'll boot
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Speaker 1: While what's weed is always the gateway drug. Right when
Speaker 1: we're in high school, it was weed first and then
Speaker 1: usually what followed weed, at least in the nineties was
Speaker 1: the shrooms was the next level. And so that's what
Speaker 1: that's the step they're taking, and we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: in the next hour.
Speaker 2: Gary and Channon will continue.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we teased it. Davids coming up at the bottom
Speaker 3: of the hour. I mean, we'll see, but that's what
Speaker 3: we have planned right now, David Dodgers, reporter and clubhouse favorite,
Speaker 3: we'll be here to talk about what.
Speaker 2: He's not coming in. Oh I just saw his phone
Speaker 2: number on here. Oh if that guy doesn't Keana is
Speaker 2: to be here or is he on the phone. He's
Speaker 2: on the phone.
Speaker 1: He's on the phone, literally phoning it in big time
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 4: I have a.
Speaker 3: Serious I have an alternate slate of questions that I
Speaker 3: would like to ask him.
Speaker 2: Then if he can't even he can't even make his
Speaker 2: way in what I.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna text Petres and money, You're gonna get
Speaker 1: him in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The developing story that we just found out this hour
Speaker 3: is that negotiators for the USA there are now agreements
Speaker 3: with Ukraine and Russia to ensure safe navigation in the
Speaker 3: Black Sea and to implement a ban on strikes against
Speaker 3: energy facilities in those two countries. That is a that
Speaker 3: is a good step, although not complete step, towards a
Speaker 3: ceasefire between the two. So Canada doesn't like us very
Speaker 3: much right now because they think that our president wants
Speaker 3: to own them, which he has said multiple times he
Speaker 3: does well Canadians think the way to pay back that
Speaker 3: is to not be so nice sorry by not coming
Speaker 3: to the United States. The New York Times actually looked
Speaker 3: at the numbers and said about four million Canadians visited
Speaker 3: New York State in twenty twenty three. That would be
Speaker 3: the most recent data available, and Canadians spent, specifically in
Speaker 3: New York State one point seven billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars just in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: School groups have called off end of semester trips, so
Speaker 1: have busloads of retirees, newlyweds planning honeymoon's friend celebrating birthdays
Speaker 1: of family from Quebec that planned to visit twice this year.
Speaker 1: Apparently Justin Trudeau said something to the effect of don't
Speaker 1: go to America for vacation. I had missed that completely.
Speaker 1: I'm also not part of the Justin Trudeau newsletter.
Speaker 3: A boycott by the top international visitor. That's Canadians, so
Speaker 3: the most common visitor to the United States. They said,
Speaker 3: we'll upend local economies throughout the United States. Canadians make
Speaker 3: about twenty million visits to the United States every year,
Speaker 3: and even just a ten percent reduction in that could
Speaker 3: mean about two billion in lost spending and fourteen thousand
Speaker 3: job losses around the country.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you said ten percent. Let's look at the
Speaker 1: numbers as they are right now. Last month compared with
Speaker 1: the same period last year, the number of Canadians flying
Speaker 1: into three airports in and around New York fell eleven percent.
Speaker 1: A vehicle traffic over the four international bridges there that
Speaker 1: spanned the Niagara River near Buffalo fell fourteen percent compared
Speaker 1: with the previous year. Traffic on one thousand Islands Bridge
Speaker 1: dropped night nineteen percent last month. Again, though it's February,
Speaker 1: but if you're just looking at February between this year
Speaker 1: and last year, that's a significant decline.
Speaker 2: And back to Justin Trudeau, this was his line.
Speaker 1: He explicitly urged Canadians to reconsider international trips to America.
Speaker 1: He said, now is the time to choose Canada, which
Speaker 1: is not unlike something you would hear from President Trump America. First, right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure America, this administration would much rather us spend
Speaker 1: our travel dollars here in this country as opposed to
Speaker 1: going to Canada, for instance, or anywhere else.
Speaker 2: But that's a pretty big difference there.
Speaker 1: Eleven fourteen, nineteen percent from just the same month last year.
Speaker 1: They said that in recent weeks, Canadians have been noticeably
Speaker 1: absent from the Ontario bar Brooklyn Dive, devoted to all
Speaker 1: things Canada. The Bat Blue, which is my favorite beer
Speaker 1: of all time. Blue is on draft. Moosehead Canadian Logger
Speaker 1: is available in bottles. They've got some rye whiskeys behind
Speaker 1: the bar, but the mood inside has been dour somber.
Speaker 1: He said that they always ask for ketchup chips or
Speaker 1: comment on the Canadian beers, and there's less of.
Speaker 3: That that I think you're going to see. The specific
Speaker 3: or those geographic areas, the ones that are closest to
Speaker 3: the border, the ones obviously going to be the most impacted.
Speaker 3: Whitefish Montana is sixty miles away from the border of BC.
Speaker 3: Spending by Canadians was down fourteen percent in January compared
Speaker 3: to a year ago.
Speaker 1: See I heard people I had heard in two different
Speaker 1: places right before I went to Mexico Port of Iarta
Speaker 1: last month, or around that time. Whenever I went recently,
Speaker 1: two people in two different locations were like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Mexico's really challenging right now because of the tariff situation
Speaker 1: and this administration and they're not looking kindly on Americans.
Speaker 1: There's no change whatsoever for me and my trip to
Speaker 1: Port of Iarta.
Speaker 3: Other thing that that I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: assume is that as much noise is made by the
Speaker 3: guy who's in the White House or the guy who's
Speaker 3: in the head of Canadian government, they make a lot
Speaker 3: of noise, But in general, your trip to Whistler is
Speaker 3: not going to be impacted.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: You think about who you're engaging with when you travel.
Speaker 3: The service industry, Yeah, I mean, and they know that
Speaker 3: you're there to vacation. They know why you're there. You're
Speaker 3: there to spend money and keep them employed.
Speaker 2: Exactly, So they're happy to see you. They're very happy
Speaker 2: to see you.
Speaker 1: Still in Mexico and Canada all right, coming well, I
Speaker 1: don't know about Canada. I remember going to Canada as
Speaker 1: a child and being I felt they were very rude
Speaker 1: in Quebec because of the French.
Speaker 2: It's the French. It just comes across very terse. Interesting
Speaker 2: when you're a dumb American kid. You didn't see it
Speaker 2: as the language of love.
Speaker 1: No. No, I saw people looking at me like you
Speaker 1: dumb American kid.
Speaker 2: That hurts, doesn't it? All right up.
Speaker 3: Next, why malls around southern California look like nobody lives
Speaker 3: there because nobody lives there.
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