WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.840 --> 00:00:04.519 Easter is on the way and that can mean only 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:08.160 one thing. It's egg hunt time this year. Make it 3 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.480 extra special with Cadbury Easter eggs. Hide them in the garden, 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.279 behind the sofa or somewhere brilliantly clever. The more creative 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.120 the hiding spots, the bigger the smiles when they're found. 6 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.199 From little chocolate surprises to the ultimate Easter egg, every 7 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:25.359 hunt is sweeter with Canbury. Looking for fun ideas to 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.600 plan your best egg hunt yet, visit Canbury Doe Slash 9 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.320 Easter hyphen Hub. Easter Sunday is April fifth, So stuck 10 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:35.079 up on Cadbury Easter eggs and let the hunt begin. 11 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.039 The car is beautiful. 12 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:40.640 Where did you end up going for it? 13 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.960 This exclusive place at Dallas Connections with They have more 14 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.000 cars for more dealerships like anywhere else. 15 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.399 You have to put me in touch. 16 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:53.439 What's it called? It's dune ADL where don adl. There's 17 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.159 an accent on the e. Do you mean yes? I 18 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:58.280 got ondone deal cars? 19 00:00:58.479 --> 00:00:58.759 Lift? 20 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:04.120 Please? You're going to pass kimage, Oh kimmage, No done 21 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.760 deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else? 22 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:13.120 Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping 23 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:13.560 and wing. 24 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:14.760 Dig down in the forest. 25 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.319 Man, it's gonna cause the tree fall. 26 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:25.359 Letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody's seen nobody. You 27 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:25.879 don't mean no. 28 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.400 Man. You don't like you a little story and. 29 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.920 You got like that. 30 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:31.519 That's the way. 31 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:31.879 Man. 32 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:33.519 Don't like a dang on a pan on. 33 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.120 Man, Man, you don't don't matter. 34 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.000 Man. 35 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.280 All right, Edward McLaren, Welcome back to the show. How 36 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:45.760 are you doing? Man? 37 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.200 Doing pretty good? Yeah, I just came back from a 38 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:51.760 very long run, so I'm feeling all pumped to talk 39 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:52.359 about the book. 40 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:53.959 Yeah. 41 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:58.120 So our last episode highly reviewed. People really liked it. 42 00:01:58.760 --> 00:01:59.200 Uh. 43 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.120 And then that you mentioned the novel that you wrote. 44 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:10.319 I've read it. Thanks to my unfortunate experience with American 45 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.199 air travel, I had plenty of time to go over 46 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.599 it and you know, sort of powered through it in 47 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.080 one setting. Before we get into it, I just will 48 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.639 say it's it's quite good. If you're you know, if 49 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.479 you just want my simple review, buy it and read it. 50 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.680 It's not what I would say, the most pleasant novel, 51 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.879 but given the subject matter that's understanding, it is well done. 52 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.199 It's worth your time. But just before we went live, 53 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.520 you you were talking about exactly that dynamic, you know, 54 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.919 the sort of pleasure enjoyment of reading a novel, and 55 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:44.680 you know, before we get into kind of the very 56 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.840 grim subject matter. I'd be curious to get your thoughts 57 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.680 on that. Well. 58 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:52.759 The design philosophy behind this thing actually comes more from 59 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.639 film than it does from novels. As such, I initially 60 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.520 really wanted to be a film director when I was say, 61 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:03.000 fourteen fifteen. I watched all of the classic movies you 62 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:06.199 know that was at the Battle of Algiers, petent Kin, 63 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.240 all this Tarkowski and so on. And now, of course 64 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:14.840 film has completely disappeared from my interest. But Tony Kaye, 65 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.520 who directed American History Acts, who I think is funny 66 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:21.879 for a number of reasons. Whilst disliking him, namely him 67 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:26.520 getting so royally pissed off about Edward Norton wanting to 68 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:30.159 change the ending of his film. He thought that if 69 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:33.879 you're taking a serious subject and trying to make a 70 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.800 film out of it, there's no reason you have to 71 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:41.439 go all Bellatar and slow everything down and make the 72 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:47.639 experience of consuming this product deeply, deeply awful as awful 73 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.719 as the subject matter. He thought, No, I'm going to 74 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.080 edit this kind of like I do my advertisements for TV, 75 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.719 and I'm going to make sure that there is esthetic 76 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:00.560 pleasure to keep the person going in right the novel, 77 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.680 which maybe you can tell I did very very quickly. 78 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.599 I thought this is a subject that no one, especially 79 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.000 in the bourgeoisie, who are partly responsible through their ignorance 80 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.759 of allowing the grooming gangs to proliferate. These people should 81 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:19.720 be able to read this thing and kind of get 82 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.120 something out of it. Otherwise they're just not going to 83 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.079 process the data. They're not going to sit down and read, 84 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.759 say Professor Allison Shaw's book what was it called again, 85 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.680 Kinship and Continuity, which looks at the deep history of 86 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.920 Pakistani communities in Oxford and by extension, Britain as a whole. 87 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.000 They're not going to go over the Casey Report. They're 88 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.959 not going to look at crime statistics. They're not even 89 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.319 going to look, for instance, at the route at Low 90 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.680 Rape Gang Inquiry, although I do like through but gang 91 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.439 Rape Gang Inquiry because they create all of these little 92 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:56.839 graphics that reveal something horrifying from the victim's testimony. Unfortunately, 93 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.040 we live in the twenty first century. We are all 94 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:04.959 consumers the instincts have been stimulated irrevocably, and in order 95 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:07.639 for something to linger and last within the human memory, 96 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.639 it has to take the form of a product that 97 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.160 someone can process and enjoy. And whilst that might seem 98 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.079 a little bit vulgar for a subject such as this, 99 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:20.120 it is completely necessary, at least to my mind, that 100 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:21.480 something like that takes place. 101 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:29.800 Yes, And when I when I say I didn't enjoy it, 102 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.399 that doesn't mean it's not good. That doesn't mean it 103 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.000 doesn't have weight to it. But it means that, you know, 104 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.920 if you're if you have a certain sensitivity right to 105 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.959 reading a novel, it does not it's not a good feeling. 106 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.000 Now that is separate from quality, of course, And I'm 107 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.920 glad you brought up the you know, example of American 108 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.680 history XC and that sort of that sort of I 109 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.759 guess you could say strategy, because I have certainly had 110 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:04.399 the experience of reading something which is so awful, even 111 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.480 if it is you know, accurately rendering that it sort 112 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:12.199 of becomes numbing, right, It sort of it overloads your 113 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.959 ability to to sort of absorb what is going on. 114 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:21.639 I mean, honestly, this is a critique often made of 115 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.199 soldier needs it right where it's like, okay, like I 116 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.720 understand this is awful, but after page six hundred, my 117 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.160 capacity to absorb it has been reached. And I, like 118 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.160 many people, did not finish The Jeatson for exactly that reason. 119 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:41.199 And I think that you know, the the esthetic sensibilities 120 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.560 that you have keeps it keeps you away from that trap, 121 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:52.240 and particularly the the opening to the book, which is 122 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.959 sort of an artistic understanding of the history of this 123 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.800 town or this village, and it's incredibly moving. And as 124 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.279 someone who has not spent much time you know, in 125 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.920 your in your home country, it's it. It's something I 126 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:12.079 particularly enjoy from from novels, which is having works that 127 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:14.720 have a very strong sense of place. This is why 128 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.480 I love you know that the Southern Gothics, This is 129 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.000 why I you know, even you know other places I've 130 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:26.160 never been. I think of, Oh, never mind, it was 131 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.360 a French author whose name I can't remember, but you know, 132 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.120 a very similar thing. And so the pros in it 133 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.959 is moving, you know, it pulls you into the the 134 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.360 narrative at just a side there. So I'm curious to 135 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:42.600 what degree is your knowledge of this subject matter and 136 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.839 of this area autobiographical and personal, not that you are 137 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.680 the main character by any means, but are you pulling 138 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:51.240 from personal experience? 139 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.240 Oh, an enormous amount. There was a conversation I had 140 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.040 with this very good journalist called Bradley Stratton on the subject, 141 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.839 and here assumed that certain aspects of the book were 142 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.959 actually made up or satirical when they when they weren't 143 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.839 at all. So, for example, there's one moment where the 144 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.959 main character is I think in the early years of 145 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.120 his secondary school, and he gets into a fight with 146 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:22.439 a boy aptly named Muhammad and is then sent to 147 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.959 this therapist who is called Miir, who was obsessed with 148 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.800 bell hooks, and and you're not allowed to spell this 149 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.879 woman's name without a capitual letter, and of course I 150 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.799 instinctively actually spell her name with capital letters in the book, 151 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.480 just to sort of, you know, rub it in that woman. 152 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.000 I noticed that by that way, Thank you. I appreciate it. 153 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.799 No worries that that woman was a real person that 154 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.480 I was assigned in the middle of therapy. And this 155 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.879 was when I was being canceled, I think, in my 156 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.120 second year at university, and I was talking about the 157 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.159 fact that I believed in freedom of speech, and she 158 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.000 was talking about how all of that white nonsense must 159 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.639 go no matter what. The other thing that has come 160 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:09.679 up recently is that via just directly researching the grooming 161 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.799 gang phenomenon in more detail in places that surround me, 162 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:14.840 I won't go into detail in case I get a 163 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:20.000 nail bomb. One always discovers that there's more of it 164 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.759 than you expected. There are some extremely posh towns in 165 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.399 the British South, in the Home Counties that we used 166 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:32.440 as trafficking spots. I mentioned Oxford before we started having 167 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:36.000 this conversation, but there is this place in Oxford which 168 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.120 is called the Nanford Guesthouse, or at least it was, 169 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:41.879 and it was one of the major trafficking sites, and 170 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.639 it's one of the only trafficking sites that was released 171 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.120 to the public and it was disclosed because of the 172 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:52.360 borderline private investigations of one Simon Morton. I went there 173 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:57.240 and it is now called the Rassa Syang House. And 174 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.639 Russa Siong is a Malay phrase which means sensation of 175 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:09.440 love and it's related to this song Rasasion that they 176 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.559 sing in Malaysia and Indonesia about getting all the girls, 177 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:17.120 getting all the lovely young girls. Given that six out 178 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:21.000 of eight of the Oxford Guomingang ringleaders have now been 179 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.320 released from prison because they have completed half of their sentence, 180 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.320 and that is supposedly how the British prison system works. 181 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.240 What are the odds that they are not there? 182 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:29.480 Now? 183 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:31.840 What if I went there with a camera and I 184 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:36.039 just lingered outside that place and similar destinations like Premier Ins, 185 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.639 and I saw what was going on. So on the 186 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.120 one hand, as the memoir aspect of me just drawing 187 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.399 from the absurdity of my own experience and the fact that, 188 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:49.200 for instance, the poem Colonization in Reverse was an optional 189 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.960 poem for my English GCSE, which is the exam that 190 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.440 you do midway through high school, which celebrates Jamaican people 191 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.120 colonize in England in reverse. 192 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.440 March Madness has arrived at tig Gridden Motors in Ashbourne 193 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.919 and Talla. Right now, get a guaranteed four thousand euroscrapage 194 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.639 on the Toyota Corona and Toyota c h R hybrids 195 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.039 and three thousand euroscrapage on Toyota Yarra's hybrid models. Upgrade 196 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.679 to a new Toyota for less this March, but hurry. 197 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.480 All cars must be registered before March thirty first visit 198 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.960 Tigridden Motors in Ashbourne or Tala today and drive away 199 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.120 with unbeatable March Madness savings. 200 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.360 Goodbye old friend, Hello new one. Upgrading Your iPhone is 201 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.200 now more affordable with Select. For a limited time only, 202 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.399 trade in your old iPhone and Select will give you 203 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:44.080 up to four hundred euro off your new iPhone. Trade 204 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.720 in upgrade Save. It's a win win win. Trade in 205 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.080 is available in store only. Tesncas apply, visit Select online 206 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.600 dot com, forward Slash trade in for more, select your 207 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:56.759 local Apple expert. 208 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.360 And on the other hand, there the fact that I 209 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.320 am constantly now plumbing the depths of my own psyche 210 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:09.600 to try and work out if, say, when I was ten, twelve, fifteen, 211 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:14.559 eighteen nineteen yesterday, there was a sign of that kind 212 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.240 of human trafficking going on in the background that I 213 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.320 just didn't pick up on, because it's all there, and 214 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.399 there is always this ced underside in every little town 215 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.799 or zone that you go to. An enemy of mine 216 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:30.200 who I will not name, described the opening of the 217 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.600 novel as quasish Bengalarian, and I regard that as a 218 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.399 very high compliment. The other thing that I would mention 219 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:41.159 is I think there is, leaving aside the Southern Gothic genre, 220 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:45.799 which I also enjoy, something peculiarly British and or European 221 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.159 about the novel, in that if you look at Shirley 222 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:53.480 Jackson's Hill House, the line the opening line is something 223 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:58.600 like hill House had stood for eighty two years. Meanwhile, 224 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.919 I am living currently in a building that is called 225 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.360 hill House. And this place has been here since the 226 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:08.039 Georgian period at least, so it is significantly older than 227 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.519 what we would now call the United States by and large. 228 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.840 And there is a pub further down my lane that 229 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.120 is from the fourteenth or thirteenth century, further than this. 230 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.960 Whereas in the American Psyche, and this is something that 231 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.000 I'm trying to get into in the sequel, to a 232 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:27.159 certain extent, there is this sense that you're on someone 233 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:30.039 else's ancestral land, and there are all of these Native 234 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:34.480 American burial grounds filled with ghosts and revenants and angry specters, 235 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.080 like in Stephen King's The Shining, They're going to come 236 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.840 out and get you. In Britain, the ghosts are your 237 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.279 own ancestors, and they have been here since the beginning, 238 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.200 which is why there's this dynamic, not to spoil too much, 239 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.919 that I'm now focusing on, where you have a Muslim 240 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.759 family who are written somewhat sympathetically and living in the 241 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.919 middle of London, who developed this idea after one of 242 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.600 the girls in the household plays this game until Dawn, 243 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.600 which is about Wendigo, that all of the English people 244 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.399 living in the countryside are these the monic Wendigo that 245 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.720 are sort of surging up and eventually they'll be driven away. 246 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:13.519 And the ghosts in the house because there is a 247 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.440 vague supernatural element, the ghosts in their house are wondering 248 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.039 why the hell they're there? Why are these Why are 249 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:22.519 these Iranians that I've seen on postcards that my husband 250 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.159 has sent me from the New World in I don't know, 251 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:29.080 sixteen ninety or something like that, now dwelling in my abode? 252 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:33.840 What is going on? Yes, So that sprawl should answer 253 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:36.440 two of the angles that you were trying to address, 254 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.440 and then throw a little bit more in for good. 255 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:46.799 One of the interesting dynamics is, obviously, in a global sense, 256 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:51.080 culturally you and I are cousins, but there are certain 257 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.559 aspects about your culture that, just because of distance, are 258 00:14:55.840 --> 00:15:00.919 relatively opaque to me. And I think that you know, 259 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:06.879 whether it was that that series Adolescence, that Game Pathways 260 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.159 that came out not too long ago, or this novel, 261 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:18.840 I didn't realize the degree to which aggressive anti racist 262 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.039 psychotherapy is weaponized against young men in your country. And 263 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.879 you know, sure I've spoken about a similar, albeit slightly 264 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.679 less aggressive version of that system that exists in my nation, 265 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.200 perhaps less politically focused, but particularly I found the series 266 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:44.200 of instances where you know, our main character is in therapy, 267 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.240 whether kind of before or after shall we say, the 268 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:56.519 dramatic moment, but also the presence of medication in this 269 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:01.200 book right as a literal controlling mechanism is something that 270 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.919 you know, thankboy, I have not experienced, but I have 271 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:08.000 seen many of my peers, and I was wondering if 272 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.600 you could speak about that element in the book. 273 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.440 I think that's a really incisive observation. The other thing is, 274 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.480 I think it's gotten significantly worse now because just to 275 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.919 do a sort of nemapavin elite theory analysis of what's occurring, 276 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.399 and assuming that countries such as they are are run 277 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.559 in organizational and industrial capacities where you're trying to make 278 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.639 sure this number of people get that much food so 279 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:39.440 they don't misbehave or vice versa. The government has, to 280 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.960 put it briefly, realized that they fucked up with the phones. 281 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.559 They've realized they fucked up with the phones and the 282 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.759 computers and children having these devices that they can use 283 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.200 to collect data on them like cattle for their whole lives, 284 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.840 and that this has destroyed people's attention spans. And so 285 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:01.080 now you find incidentally, these mass diagnosis can pains for 286 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:07.279 antidepressants and especially ADHD medication, which are seemingly designed just 287 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.440 to make them function without doing away with the iPhone 288 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.000 or the computer or anything like that, or imposing more 289 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:19.039 strict regulations on those things. They are intentionally drugging the population, 290 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.200 at least to my mind, although I'm going out on 291 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.880 the limb when I'm saying this, to make sure that 292 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:28.519 they keep working. As for the schooling system, by and large, 293 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.319 a point that you made last time that I don't 294 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.279 think I dealt with enough is what you regarded as 295 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.039 the endemic nature of feminism within British society versus American society, 296 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.480 where there's a component of it, but there's also this 297 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:50.079 broader idea of the Democrat coalition, and I thought that 298 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:52.079 you were right on the money with that, and I 299 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.279 had to go away and think about it. And much 300 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.000 in the same way that you could say that progressivism 301 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:02.480 going to South Korea was an awful cocktail, because it 302 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:07.240 combined a society that was already exceedingly maternalistic and nannying 303 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.319 with an ideology that gave a sort of blank check 304 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.200 for nannying disciplining behavior. You could say the same thing 305 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:19.160 is true about Britain. It could be argued that the 306 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.440 reason why we didn't have much of the trans thing 307 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.839 versus the United States is because we already had this 308 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.359 turf class empowered in our society, and they didn't want 309 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:35.200 to be playing second fiddle next to men dressing up 310 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:39.839 as women, or auto gynophiles or poor deranged autistic kits 311 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.240 of one sort or another. And so rather than that 312 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:47.039 being a victory for democracy and free speech or our people, 313 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.680 it was just them stolidly trying to remain in power. 314 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.480 And these are all of the people who are in 315 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.039 the medical professions. These are all of the people who 316 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.839 are nurses, These are all of the people, especially who 317 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.240 are guidance counselors at schools. These are all of the 318 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.759 people who are matrons. We mentioned our mutual friend Ed 319 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.319 Dutton a while back. He is right to point out 320 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.759 that these people are disproportionately high in narcissism and are 321 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:18.519 using children, especially boys, as conduits for their own vengefulness 322 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.359 towards the world in one way or another. And I think, 323 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.000 again not to give too much away, this really comes 324 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.319 out in the character Fauna, or as he was originally called, Frederick. 325 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.039 I'll get into it a bit more. I know you 326 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.599 were on the verge of saying something, but Fauna is 327 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:41.519 this true male to female transgender autistic who's very analytic 328 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.279 in his theory of mind and really really likes Plato 329 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:50.279 and physics and sort of synthesizes these two components. He's 330 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.400 one of the very few characters who was smarter than 331 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:57.279 the main character, and significantly so. And yet he has 332 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:02.200 ultimately bought hook Line and Sinker into the system. And 333 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.279 he does this by allowing the system to change him 334 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.319 and allowing himself to be convinced that there's no way out. 335 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.599 He's never going to be loved, he's never going to 336 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:16.279 be successful, and both because of his own degree of 337 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.319 internal narcissism as well as his autism. He thinks, great, 338 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:24.519 I'll just adopt all of these you know names that 339 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:26.519 the system wants me to use in order to succeed, 340 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.680 and I'll permit them to perform surgery on me so 341 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.839 that I can exist and my existence can be tolerated. 342 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:41.279 And I knew when I was at university these four 343 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.440 computer programmers who were associated with this one girl that 344 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:48.720 nobody really liked, especially me, and all of them within 345 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:53.039 the space of about five months, transitioned. And they did 346 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:57.319 it because they were not especially attractive, not charismatic, but 347 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.799 very very smart, autistically minded men who felt themselves separated 348 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.680 from their own being and felt that they could moderate 349 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:10.960 this through some logical system of one sort or another. 350 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.519 That the number of men, especially in Britain and in 351 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:20.960 Scotland in particular, who have been permanently damaged by this 352 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.440 sort of stuff is simply unreal. And to a certain extent, 353 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:29.359 I think the Turfs. The Turfs are opposed to them 354 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:34.240 and opposed to their mania and wanting to enter women's spaces, 355 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.799 because they also regard them as a threat on their own, 356 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:40.559 even if they hadn't transitioned as autistic men who can 357 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:44.039 organize and who can innovate, and do not like living 358 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.519 in a sort of nanny Mucci savella, which is what 359 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:48.599 modern Britain has become. 360 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:57.359 It's a depressingly accurate term. It's interesting because it was 361 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.400 exactly the character that is going to bring up because 362 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.839 in a worse novel. 363 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.319 It's not just that the next storm could destroy everything 364 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.839 a Wamahoo and her family have built. It's not just 365 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.039 that she supports three generations of her family on sixty 366 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:16.799 cent a day. In Rwanda, poverty and climate change hit 367 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:21.000 women and children the hardest. And it's not just please 368 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.960 support the Trokra box appeal this lent because it's not 369 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.960 just a box, it's a lifeline. Visit Trokri dot org 370 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:32.119 or call eighteen hundred four weight four weight Trocra together 371 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.039 for a just world. 372 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.799 Turn no plans into let's go plans this easter, travel 373 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.960 the Stamlangway to Britain and discover on board Wi Fi 374 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.440 play areas, game zones and more. They'll enjoy the journey 375 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.200 and you can start unwinding too. Whether you're visiting home 376 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:48.480 or just need a family get away, drive on with 377 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.079 everything you need and more. Book your trip today at 378 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:52.160 stam Aline dot I e. 379 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:58.279 That character would be written very differently, and we see Jack, 380 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:03.680 we see our main character instinctively recoil and at a 381 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.000 certain point in the novel sort of grow to hate Fauna. 382 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.880 But his role is quite interesting in the narrative. We 383 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.759 come to as the audience develop a great deal of 384 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:19.920 sympathy and you realize that effectively, Jack and Fauna are 385 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:25.319 very similar. Effectively, the split was how do you react 386 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:30.799 to the nanny McPhee flavella. Do you oppose it, bring 387 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.880 that what it may or do you say, well, I'll 388 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.960 double down, you know, I will do exactly what I 389 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.880 need to. And it's interesting you bring that up because 390 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.640 the first transgender person I ever met was my freshman 391 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.640 year at college. I didn't last long at this college 392 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.039 for reasons that you could you can no doubt survise. 393 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:57.079 But and it was the one Scott on campus, right 394 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.680 And okay, sure that's a literal sample size of one, 395 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:05.599 but it very much seemed to be a similar situation 396 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:10.200 where and to be fully honest, I did not know 397 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:13.079 this person was transgender. I thought they were just a 398 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:17.519 computer programmer and kind of weird. I assumed it was 399 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:22.240 just an odd guy until he went into the the 400 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.240 women's storm, and I said, oh wait a minute, now, 401 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.079