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Speaker 3: All right, Edward McLaren, Welcome back to the show. How
are you doing? Man?
Speaker 6: Doing pretty good? Yeah, I just came back from a
very long run, so I'm feeling all pumped to talk
about the book.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So our last episode highly reviewed. People really liked it.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then that you mentioned the novel that you wrote.
I've read it. Thanks to my unfortunate experience with American
air travel, I had plenty of time to go over
it and you know, sort of powered through it in
one setting. Before we get into it, I just will
say it's it's quite good. If you're you know, if
you just want my simple review, buy it and read it.
It's not what I would say, the most pleasant novel,
but given the subject matter that's understanding, it is well done.
It's worth your time. But just before we went live,
you you were talking about exactly that dynamic, you know,
the sort of pleasure enjoyment of reading a novel, and
you know, before we get into kind of the very
grim subject matter. I'd be curious to get your thoughts
on that. Well.
Speaker 6: The design philosophy behind this thing actually comes more from
film than it does from novels. As such, I initially
really wanted to be a film director when I was say,
fourteen fifteen. I watched all of the classic movies you
know that was at the Battle of Algiers, petent Kin,
all this Tarkowski and so on. And now, of course
film has completely disappeared from my interest. But Tony Kaye,
who directed American History Acts, who I think is funny
for a number of reasons. Whilst disliking him, namely him
getting so royally pissed off about Edward Norton wanting to
change the ending of his film. He thought that if
you're taking a serious subject and trying to make a
film out of it, there's no reason you have to
go all Bellatar and slow everything down and make the
experience of consuming this product deeply, deeply awful as awful
as the subject matter. He thought, No, I'm going to
edit this kind of like I do my advertisements for TV,
and I'm going to make sure that there is esthetic
pleasure to keep the person going in right the novel,
which maybe you can tell I did very very quickly.
I thought this is a subject that no one, especially
in the bourgeoisie, who are partly responsible through their ignorance
of allowing the grooming gangs to proliferate. These people should
be able to read this thing and kind of get
something out of it. Otherwise they're just not going to
process the data. They're not going to sit down and read,
say Professor Allison Shaw's book what was it called again,
Kinship and Continuity, which looks at the deep history of
Pakistani communities in Oxford and by extension, Britain as a whole.
They're not going to go over the Casey Report. They're
not going to look at crime statistics. They're not even
going to look, for instance, at the route at Low
Rape Gang Inquiry, although I do like through but gang
Rape Gang Inquiry because they create all of these little
graphics that reveal something horrifying from the victim's testimony. Unfortunately,
we live in the twenty first century. We are all
consumers the instincts have been stimulated irrevocably, and in order
for something to linger and last within the human memory,
it has to take the form of a product that
someone can process and enjoy. And whilst that might seem
a little bit vulgar for a subject such as this,
it is completely necessary, at least to my mind, that
something like that takes place.
Speaker 3: Yes, And when I when I say I didn't enjoy it,
that doesn't mean it's not good. That doesn't mean it
doesn't have weight to it. But it means that, you know,
if you're if you have a certain sensitivity right to
reading a novel, it does not it's not a good feeling.
Now that is separate from quality, of course, And I'm
glad you brought up the you know, example of American
history XC and that sort of that sort of I
guess you could say strategy, because I have certainly had
the experience of reading something which is so awful, even
if it is you know, accurately rendering that it sort
of becomes numbing, right, It sort of it overloads your
ability to to sort of absorb what is going on.
I mean, honestly, this is a critique often made of
soldier needs it right where it's like, okay, like I
understand this is awful, but after page six hundred, my
capacity to absorb it has been reached. And I, like
many people, did not finish The Jeatson for exactly that reason.
And I think that you know, the the esthetic sensibilities
that you have keeps it keeps you away from that trap,
and particularly the the opening to the book, which is
sort of an artistic understanding of the history of this
town or this village, and it's incredibly moving. And as
someone who has not spent much time you know, in
your in your home country, it's it. It's something I
particularly enjoy from from novels, which is having works that
have a very strong sense of place. This is why
I love you know that the Southern Gothics, This is
why I you know, even you know other places I've
never been. I think of, Oh, never mind, it was
a French author whose name I can't remember, but you know,
a very similar thing. And so the pros in it
is moving, you know, it pulls you into the the
narrative at just a side there. So I'm curious to
what degree is your knowledge of this subject matter and
of this area autobiographical and personal, not that you are
the main character by any means, but are you pulling
from personal experience?
Speaker 6: Oh, an enormous amount. There was a conversation I had
with this very good journalist called Bradley Stratton on the subject,
and here assumed that certain aspects of the book were
actually made up or satirical when they when they weren't
at all. So, for example, there's one moment where the
main character is I think in the early years of
his secondary school, and he gets into a fight with
a boy aptly named Muhammad and is then sent to
this therapist who is called Miir, who was obsessed with
bell hooks, and and you're not allowed to spell this
woman's name without a capitual letter, and of course I
instinctively actually spell her name with capital letters in the book,
just to sort of, you know, rub it in that woman.
Speaker 3: I noticed that by that way, Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: No worries that that woman was a real person that
I was assigned in the middle of therapy. And this
was when I was being canceled, I think, in my
second year at university, and I was talking about the
fact that I believed in freedom of speech, and she
was talking about how all of that white nonsense must
go no matter what. The other thing that has come
up recently is that via just directly researching the grooming
gang phenomenon in more detail in places that surround me,
I won't go into detail in case I get a
nail bomb. One always discovers that there's more of it
than you expected. There are some extremely posh towns in
the British South, in the Home Counties that we used
as trafficking spots. I mentioned Oxford before we started having
this conversation, but there is this place in Oxford which
is called the Nanford Guesthouse, or at least it was,
and it was one of the major trafficking sites, and
it's one of the only trafficking sites that was released
to the public and it was disclosed because of the
borderline private investigations of one Simon Morton. I went there
and it is now called the Rassa Syang House. And
Russa Siong is a Malay phrase which means sensation of
love and it's related to this song Rasasion that they
sing in Malaysia and Indonesia about getting all the girls,
getting all the lovely young girls. Given that six out
of eight of the Oxford Guomingang ringleaders have now been
released from prison because they have completed half of their sentence,
and that is supposedly how the British prison system works.
What are the odds that they are not there?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 6: What if I went there with a camera and I
just lingered outside that place and similar destinations like Premier Ins,
and I saw what was going on. So on the
one hand, as the memoir aspect of me just drawing
from the absurdity of my own experience and the fact that,
for instance, the poem Colonization in Reverse was an optional
poem for my English GCSE, which is the exam that
you do midway through high school, which celebrates Jamaican people
colonize in England in reverse.
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Speaker 6: And on the other hand, there the fact that I
am constantly now plumbing the depths of my own psyche
to try and work out if, say, when I was ten, twelve, fifteen,
eighteen nineteen yesterday, there was a sign of that kind
of human trafficking going on in the background that I
just didn't pick up on, because it's all there, and
there is always this ced underside in every little town
or zone that you go to. An enemy of mine
who I will not name, described the opening of the
novel as quasish Bengalarian, and I regard that as a
very high compliment. The other thing that I would mention
is I think there is, leaving aside the Southern Gothic genre,
which I also enjoy, something peculiarly British and or European
about the novel, in that if you look at Shirley
Jackson's Hill House, the line the opening line is something
like hill House had stood for eighty two years. Meanwhile,
I am living currently in a building that is called
hill House. And this place has been here since the
Georgian period at least, so it is significantly older than
what we would now call the United States by and large.
And there is a pub further down my lane that
is from the fourteenth or thirteenth century, further than this.
Whereas in the American Psyche, and this is something that
I'm trying to get into in the sequel, to a
certain extent, there is this sense that you're on someone
else's ancestral land, and there are all of these Native
American burial grounds filled with ghosts and revenants and angry specters,
like in Stephen King's The Shining, They're going to come
out and get you. In Britain, the ghosts are your
own ancestors, and they have been here since the beginning,
which is why there's this dynamic, not to spoil too much,
that I'm now focusing on, where you have a Muslim
family who are written somewhat sympathetically and living in the
middle of London, who developed this idea after one of
the girls in the household plays this game until Dawn,
which is about Wendigo, that all of the English people
living in the countryside are these the monic Wendigo that
are sort of surging up and eventually they'll be driven away.
And the ghosts in the house because there is a
vague supernatural element, the ghosts in their house are wondering
why the hell they're there? Why are these Why are
these Iranians that I've seen on postcards that my husband
has sent me from the New World in I don't know,
sixteen ninety or something like that, now dwelling in my abode?
What is going on? Yes, So that sprawl should answer
two of the angles that you were trying to address,
and then throw a little bit more in for good.
Speaker 3: One of the interesting dynamics is, obviously, in a global sense,
culturally you and I are cousins, but there are certain
aspects about your culture that, just because of distance, are
relatively opaque to me. And I think that you know,
whether it was that that series Adolescence, that Game Pathways
that came out not too long ago, or this novel,
I didn't realize the degree to which aggressive anti racist
psychotherapy is weaponized against young men in your country. And
you know, sure I've spoken about a similar, albeit slightly
less aggressive version of that system that exists in my nation,
perhaps less politically focused, but particularly I found the series
of instances where you know, our main character is in therapy,
whether kind of before or after shall we say, the
dramatic moment, but also the presence of medication in this
book right as a literal controlling mechanism is something that
you know, thankboy, I have not experienced, but I have
seen many of my peers, and I was wondering if
you could speak about that element in the book.
Speaker 6: I think that's a really incisive observation. The other thing is,
I think it's gotten significantly worse now because just to
do a sort of nemapavin elite theory analysis of what's occurring,
and assuming that countries such as they are are run
in organizational and industrial capacities where you're trying to make
sure this number of people get that much food so
they don't misbehave or vice versa. The government has, to
put it briefly, realized that they fucked up with the phones.
They've realized they fucked up with the phones and the
computers and children having these devices that they can use
to collect data on them like cattle for their whole lives,
and that this has destroyed people's attention spans. And so
now you find incidentally, these mass diagnosis can pains for
antidepressants and especially ADHD medication, which are seemingly designed just
to make them function without doing away with the iPhone
or the computer or anything like that, or imposing more
strict regulations on those things. They are intentionally drugging the population,
at least to my mind, although I'm going out on
the limb when I'm saying this, to make sure that
they keep working. As for the schooling system, by and large,
a point that you made last time that I don't
think I dealt with enough is what you regarded as
the endemic nature of feminism within British society versus American society,
where there's a component of it, but there's also this
broader idea of the Democrat coalition, and I thought that
you were right on the money with that, and I
had to go away and think about it. And much
in the same way that you could say that progressivism
going to South Korea was an awful cocktail, because it
combined a society that was already exceedingly maternalistic and nannying
with an ideology that gave a sort of blank check
for nannying disciplining behavior. You could say the same thing
is true about Britain. It could be argued that the
reason why we didn't have much of the trans thing
versus the United States is because we already had this
turf class empowered in our society, and they didn't want
to be playing second fiddle next to men dressing up
as women, or auto gynophiles or poor deranged autistic kits
of one sort or another. And so rather than that
being a victory for democracy and free speech or our people,
it was just them stolidly trying to remain in power.
And these are all of the people who are in
the medical professions. These are all of the people who
are nurses, These are all of the people, especially who
are guidance counselors at schools. These are all of the
people who are matrons. We mentioned our mutual friend Ed
Dutton a while back. He is right to point out
that these people are disproportionately high in narcissism and are
using children, especially boys, as conduits for their own vengefulness
towards the world in one way or another. And I think,
again not to give too much away, this really comes
out in the character Fauna, or as he was originally called, Frederick.
I'll get into it a bit more. I know you
were on the verge of saying something, but Fauna is
this true male to female transgender autistic who's very analytic
in his theory of mind and really really likes Plato
and physics and sort of synthesizes these two components. He's
one of the very few characters who was smarter than
the main character, and significantly so. And yet he has
ultimately bought hook Line and Sinker into the system. And
he does this by allowing the system to change him
and allowing himself to be convinced that there's no way out.
He's never going to be loved, he's never going to
be successful, and both because of his own degree of
internal narcissism as well as his autism. He thinks, great,
I'll just adopt all of these you know names that
the system wants me to use in order to succeed,
and I'll permit them to perform surgery on me so
that I can exist and my existence can be tolerated.
And I knew when I was at university these four
computer programmers who were associated with this one girl that
nobody really liked, especially me, and all of them within
the space of about five months, transitioned. And they did
it because they were not especially attractive, not charismatic, but
very very smart, autistically minded men who felt themselves separated
from their own being and felt that they could moderate
this through some logical system of one sort or another.
That the number of men, especially in Britain and in
Scotland in particular, who have been permanently damaged by this
sort of stuff is simply unreal. And to a certain extent,
I think the Turfs. The Turfs are opposed to them
and opposed to their mania and wanting to enter women's spaces,
because they also regard them as a threat on their own,
even if they hadn't transitioned as autistic men who can
organize and who can innovate, and do not like living
in a sort of nanny Mucci savella, which is what
modern Britain has become.
Speaker 3: It's a depressingly accurate term. It's interesting because it was
exactly the character that is going to bring up because
in a worse novel.
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Speaker 3: That character would be written very differently, and we see Jack,
we see our main character instinctively recoil and at a
certain point in the novel sort of grow to hate Fauna.
But his role is quite interesting in the narrative. We
come to as the audience develop a great deal of
sympathy and you realize that effectively, Jack and Fauna are
very similar. Effectively, the split was how do you react
to the nanny McPhee flavella. Do you oppose it, bring
that what it may or do you say, well, I'll
double down, you know, I will do exactly what I
need to. And it's interesting you bring that up because
the first transgender person I ever met was my freshman
year at college. I didn't last long at this college
for reasons that you could you can no doubt survise.
But and it was the one Scott on campus, right
And okay, sure that's a literal sample size of one,
but it very much seemed to be a similar situation
where and to be fully honest, I did not know
this person was transgender. I thought they were just a
computer programmer and kind of weird. I assumed it was
just an odd guy until he went into the the
women's storm, and I said, oh wait a minute, now,
he's not just Scottish. Turns out as another level there.
But the point is, I think that that's a very
fascinating element in this book, particularly because we see after
sort of and we'll we'll speak about this obviously, this
book is about, you know, the grooming game scandal. We
see Fauna return in sort of the last third as
a unlikely ally, which again I think in a cheaper
version of this story, that character would be you know,
we were deemed and beli eevil and I think that
that was a very elegant way to bring that character back.
And so I'm curious, what were you what were you
attempting to do with that?
Speaker 6: I think, as you've alluded to already, I was trying
to stress that politics aside, there is this solidarity that
one finds amongst young men. And if you're a young man,
you are indelibly shaped by the system that we live under,
especially the educational aspects, and consequently there is more in
common between these different factions of young men than expected.
If you just assume that you're analysis of the world
that is sincere and direct and empirical is true, then
you also know that the men who transition or decide
to buy into the overcoding that the system wants to
impose on them have some of the same data that
you have, and in fact, in a different world, would
have potentially been your friend or ally. An aspect of
the Fauner character that I find upsetting even when I
go over it is the fact that he so obviously
could have been the friend that the main character so
dearly needed as he was going through all of this stuff,
because he's a fellow sufferer, he has been through it himself,
and yet because of the nature of his own identity
and the faustian bargain not in the stranglarian sense that
he has made, he cannot acknowledge any of this solidarity,
and it becomes completely wasted. And another aspect of this
is the fact that the girl character Agatha, who is
the sort of sacrificial victim in the whole thing, was
formally helped by Fauna before act. Fawner knew about him,
and sorry knew about her, seemingly whilst he was still
using his own name. And so because of the failure
of that initiatic ritual of masculinity, please help me, please,
save me, he inverts his own identity in order to
continue to live comfortably and personally. When people have come
to me and confronted me with something terrible that's happened
to them, I do feel I must say this kind
of chivalrous urge to assist, and if I didn't do that,
I would be totally renouncing an aspect of my own identity.
I think my editor, I won't say her name, but
she put this to me quite well by suggesting that
underneath the sort of horrible, shredded postmodernity that one sees
in the book, there is this kind of fantasy world,
and not in the sense of it being unreal, but
this world of knights and shield maidens and miss cole
beasts that can be assailed and confronted. But because all
of the particles in the universe at a micro level
have gone wrong or been reorganized to benefit particular people
in power and their selfishness, that can't be The main
character cannot marry the girl because she has been destroyed,
and the best thing that they can have together is
a kind of fraternal bond, and the same thing obviously
goes with Fauna's distorted fate by the end of the text.
Speaker 3: And I think that that again is something to your
credit because and you see a lot of this in
sort of dissident right wing circles, which is the desire
to sort of publish your manifesto as a novel, to
turn that into sort of an overly I guess you
could say, an overly direct just description of here's what
I think, where the characters become cardboard cutouts for ideologies.
And obviously you know you and I have talked ed,
but I could probably guess your politics from reading this book.
It wouldn't be particularly difficult to find. But that was
what I think was so affecting about the novel. Our
main characters are fundamentally changed, or the worse, they do
not get out of this scott free. It does not
return to that kind of fantasy world of knights and
shield maidens. I mean, you know, one great example is
that Jack is maimed in a very dramatic way and
physically damaged for the rest of his life. You know,
he does not get out scott free. And similarly, you know,
well we're being light on details, but there is something
to be said for the fact that Agatha has been
so deeply damaged, that this will not be a sort
of ride into the sunset moment. You know, there is
an escape, there is, you know, a cessation to this abuse,
but it's not cheapened by you know, simply discarding it
at the end to have the kind of Hollywood ending.
And so I would commend you on that. And then,
you know, if I could turn it into a question,
I'd be curious to get your response.
Speaker 6: Hmm, okay, I'll see what I can pass all together.
First off, just anecdotally, a friend of mine is a
supply teacher, and he works in all of these different
state schools. And besides the very good now VLR assisted
Holocaust education that these kids get for about five to
six weeks, five to six weeks, he tells me that
they can't read. He tells me that there is only
one student in his class who was Chinese that said
he read the pleasure and all of the rest of
them are doing the six seventh thing. And one could
very easily imagine these kids, any of them that survive
as dementia patients when they're seventy or eighty, just going.
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Speaker 6: Forever animated by the means of twenty first century shit
top and slot fests, and that's where a significant proportion
of our population is going. It's like chapter two hundred
of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, But rather than miscegenation
leading either to you know, Frederick the second of Hohenstealfen
or a sort of perfect human slave, it's the psychological
distortion between the child that sees the god in the
machine and is teaching himself, you know, how to program
supercomputers on the one hand, and then the real entity,
the entity that is created out of reels and is
not human in the same way at all anymore, probably
coincident with IQ distributions, but also just not also coincident
with parental neglect, and ever increasingly, I'm thinking that's the
future that we're headed toward. It is going to be
this actual management of the population that the philosopher you've all,
Noah Harari referred to as useless eaters using porn in
video games and KFC. That's where we're headed, and there's
no averting that in any way at all. Things are
not going to get better. And in fact, this is
one of the reasons that I think, because you mentioned
pathways earlier, the Amelia figure is so interesting, the Amelia figure,
who is this this sort of BPD art ho to
use a categorization rather than an insult with purple hair,
with a nose rearing, with a wart on her face.
And this main character who is just a sort of
ordinary middle class boy who gets involved in right wing politics.
Why is this Amelia character the natural matchup now for
this regular boy? Why isn't the tradwife his matchup?
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Speaker 6: And there are various answers. One of them, again Dutton's,
is that people on the right, on the real right,
and people on the real left, they're both crazy. And
although the left the real left are crazier than the
real right, and so they belong to and there's this dynamism.
The other thing is the tradwife has been revealed time
and time again to be a mask for ulterior motives.
I don't know, Sarah Stock, so I'm not going to
go in for that sort of thing. But everyone knows
the story and everyone knows the examples associated with this
kind of thing. So the best case scenario, which is
developing at least by the end of the novel between
Jack and Agatha, is that, as I was saying, you
have this fraternal relationship where, you know, maybe it's not exclusive,
maybe you're not married, maybe you don't promise to stick
with one another forever, but you're in this bizarrely plastic
but also partly solidifying situationship. And given the fact that
not only in Europe, but especially in my country, there's
just no real reason to get married anymore because we
have our own version of no fault divorce laws and
church attendants is so low, and our new archbishop is
an activist who spits in the face of everything that
is part of our Anglican tradition. What are we meant
to do apart from either give up romantic hopes, try
and recreate the situation of patrician marriage where the Roman
patriarch has total rights over the wife and child, or
this sort of on again and off again situation that
only generates bastards, or simply give up entirely. There is
no grand restoration from that sort of thing, or environmental
degradation or having plastic in our blood. And I can
give you one example that just hammers home how bad
the trajectory for this sort of thing really is, which
is I went into a church in this town that
I went to school in and it's actually Bottleford in
the novel is kind of based on this town to
a certain extent. And I went to this church that
I hadn't been to before, and I opened the door.
It's a beautiful Catholic church with these great, big stained
glass windows in it, and suddenly I see hair dryers
and I see sort of clear flat landing. It's been
very polished, and there are no pews. And a woman
comes up and says, can I help you? And I
work out that the thing has been hollowed out and
cannibalized and turned into a hairdressers. It's been turned it's
been turned into a hairdressers with all of these big
windows on. So even if remigration of an immense sort occurs,
that problem is still occurring. The IQ decline problem is
still occurring. Dont't thinks it's going to be sort of
eighty five IQ average within a century. There is no
slowing that entropy without a sort of miracle coming. To
use a phrase from Martin Heidegger in the last essay
that he published in Despiegel, only I got can say
this now, although there is a god character in the
text that we might want to get into to a
certain extent.
Speaker 3: So before we get into that, just several things on
what what you just said. There's an interesting alliance I've noticed,
and this is a subculture that exists, I think more
in my country than yours. But between this sort of
environmentalist is not the right word, but sort of the
descendants of hippie culture, right, people who are very concerned about,
you know, the location of their food and the far right.
You know, this is the origin of the the you know,
the crunchy girlfriend, racist boyfriend style meme, which you know,
in my case worked out and I've seen it work
you know elsewhere. Just an aside. But I think that
when when I hear you talking about, you know, the
these churches that have sort of been turned into a
best civic architecture and at worst commercial space. I mean,
it reminds me of the American Northeast. You know that
the land of the Puritans, formerly the most religious place
in the nation, now the sort of high seat of
you know, American imperial liberalism. But it's the same story.
You know, you have a few particularly historically notable churches
that are museums with a vestigial congregation of fifteen octagenarians
at best. But you know, you go through places like
you know, Martha's Vineyard, a very famous destination for the rich,
but there are no churches left. I mean, they're buildings there,
but it is a library, you know, it is an
airbnb or a short term rental, and it's one of
those things where it's like that to me, that culture
seems dead. You know, that there's nothing there other than
just sort of a you know, feeling that this is
a building that should be kept around and even then,
you know, we see how long it lasts. But I
wanted to return to what you were saying about the
sort of the god character. And then I want to
put a pin in a discussion of the parental figures
in this novel because it's sort of an interesting I
should not be showing that pen to the camera and
it has a highly specific information on it. But sorry,
but I think that there's an interesting discussion there. But
we'll come back to that after the question of the
godlike character.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, So that the godlike character is one that
I think can be introduced whilst dealing with a few
of the other items pins, et cetera that you've put
in the conversation and shouldn't shouldn't show because they contain
deleterious personal information. So the god character is called Marine Emery.
And the thing that is interesting about her is she
is She's not a divinity per se. She's not like
a sort of venus goddess or so on. She is
a pagan spirit that to a certain extent or another
lives alongside and within Saint Michael's church. And it's worth saying,
as a friend of mine brought up, who's very knowledgeable
after reading the book, that churches in England, but I
think also just Anglo countries by and large that are
called Saint Michael's are built in areas with a martial basis.
So that church, I think it's the Carfax Tower in Oxford.
It was erected in I think the ninth century, and
it was erected on the site of a battle. And
so you invoke Saint Michael as this protective archon or
military spirit that enables you to succeed against all lads,
I imagine, pushing back the vikings or something like that.
I'll have to look more into that. The thing with
her is okay, she's partly assimilated to the church, but
she's also older, and she lives as an imminent extension
of Anglo Saxon consciousness, meaning that all of these old
people who are lying around and dying in chapter one
faintly recall her, and even more faintly recall her elf
like emissary, but eventually she's completely forgotten. And since we're
talking about the vanishing and the emptying of churches, it's
worth suggesting that churches really represent a transcendent form of
ethics and religion. They represent one's potential unification with this
broader metaphysical system. But if you get rid of that,
what seems to happen, at least to my mind. Isn't
that spirituality disappears. What happens is spirituality is imminentized. You
can see this with the sort of political theology of
therapy that most young women operate on nowadays, where you know,
a friend of mine was accused of being of being
what was it called a psychopathic narcissist by his ex
girlfriend last night, and all of these vocabularies and little
quacks and priests that you can go to so that
you can repair past trauma and the breakdown of the
mind and the internalization of these outward specters, as if
you know, people had always felt this kind of way
instead of just going to a congregation. And a side
effect of this imminentization seems to be an authentic revival
of paganism in so far as you think there is
an ancestral spirit that is directly tied to me and
that cares about me and has a personal investment with
me that I can contact and I can interact with,
and is doing things around the town. And on the
night I'm regurgitating the line roughly of one of the
first sexual results in the town. Call by this mass
influx of predominantly cash Mimurpury immigrants. Marine memory is seen
by the last two people in the town who believe
her at the church with this enormous, famous red halo
behind her head, and they can see traces of blood
dripping down the thing. It's as if she is an
imminent racial consciousness that has been sleeping for ages, almost
beneath the security of the transcendent morality projected by the church.
But now the church is empty, the church is gone.
People don't really believe in Christ that much anymore. These
genius Loki, these location bound spirits are coming back. And
I obviously won't spoil the ending, but the fact of
one character's being tormented and exploited means, as Robert Bly
would say in his Eye in John, that the wound
becomes a gateway to deny. The wound itself operates as
a kind of summoning room for a form of God
or Goddess that did not previously exist and was not required,
but it's going to be activated. And to just sort
of throw in some genetic evidence on top of this,
someone like Richard Lynne would say that religion, even if
it's a very new, potent religion that is constructed out
of weird tiktoks like the Agatha thing. For example, there
are many British universities that now have at Garth and societies.
Stress increases religiosity inherently in order to meet the values
of the day. And so I don't necessarily know if
we get out of this with a Christian revival, and
if it's a form of Christianity or be a bizarre
and mutilated form of Christianity with big swords with crosses
on them.
Speaker 3: One can hope one of the never mind, I'm not
going to stay out live on air. But to return
to the book, I try to be careful with you, Britt,
because I realized in my case my chances of being
arrested are relatively low. I would feel a little bit
bad if I exposed any of you to that. But
in all seriousness, one of the book sales, what's that?
I say, yeah, honestly, and when you return out of
out of prison after being beaten by an Albanian man,
I'm sure you would, you know, enjoy the proceeds of
the real.
Speaker 6: But sorry, I'd write a book in prison, and then
I would run for prime minister so successfully that no
one dispute me.
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know if the pub putch has quite
the same uh has quite the same kind of value
as a beer hole. But you know, we'll see what
you can do. But uh, there were in my mind
sort of three primary parents. Jack's parents are split. We
see his father and his mother. An interesting dynamic, of course,
is that his mother is simultaneously seeing the degradation of
her town while also being horribly addicted to the television.
There's a particularly poignant moment where she goes to the
local convenience store to try and buy mace, finds out
that it is not available. But you know, nonetheless, she
is sort of fed a drip fed, you know, information
through television. And actually the role of television and the
screen in this novel is sort of particularly interesting, So
I'd be curious to get your thoughts on that. And
then also, you know, while we're talking about other parents,
you have you know, Jack's father, who is you know,
this sort of sad alcoholic. But nonetheless, you know, we
see a very interesting dynamic where his his ex wife
has been hiding the fact that their son is being
drugged from him, and of course is to kind of
finish out the the kind of sorry as you can tell,
then it's it's been a rough gold days. But you
have you know, Agatha's mother, you kind of the who
is it? A very different archetype to put it mildly.
So first of all, I'd like to get your opinion
on the screen. You know, Jack has a series of
very dramatic visions where we see this as sort of
a chimera. To get your thoughts on that, and then
also his relationship with his own mother.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll start with the screen thing. An alternative title
for the thing before I came up with Bothleford's Gone,
which refers to this particular town and settlement that is
mentioned in the Doomsday Book ten sixty six, now Doomsday
Book which no longer exists, and this phrase that I've
heard not only from my own relatives, but from one
of more Goth's essays about the Grooming Gangs that is
called Arml Cultural Reactor five, which compares the Breman gangs
with Chernobyl. It's a phrase that people utter when they're
trying to arrive at a direct description of the political
scenarios before them and the demographic scenarios in particular. But
then this internal censorship mechanism takes over. Someone will say, oh,
the West End's gone, Birmingham's gone, that my whole street
in Manchester it's gone now. And then you'll say what
does that mean? And they will not have the language
to get back to you on that. They will just
short circuit. And this is why, really the main villain
in the thing is not a human being. It is
this creature that I refer to as the Khmeira, and
it's this entity that I've based off of this very
interesting Etruscan sculpture that I encountered on the Internet once,
and also kind of on the character of the entertainment
in David foster w us infinite jest. There's a difference
between the screen of the computer or the screen of
the phone or the screen as you're you know, looking
at Thomas seven seven seven's posts on nineties usenet and
the television. The television in particular is demonic because it
is an information pipe that generations who are used to
the idea that it is completely you know, it's completely
beyond criticism, are just taken by they're completely absorbed by
it and they cannot be broken out of it. Whereas
you could see the smartphone, social media and so on,
especially post Jack Dorsey as the television being broken up
into all of these different competitive screens, which means there
is far more narrative creative destruction. There is far more
individuality and the ability to get a sort of general
idea of what's actually happening before you. So it is
because of the power projection of the television and broadly
the bourgeois class that controls it, to the upper elite
bourgeois class that is used like an alien tractor beam
to make things invisible in the town. Oh well, I
don't want to point that out. That would make me
like Enoch Powell. That's a sentiment that Jack's mother has,
and it's a sentiment that I've encountered, I don't know,
pretty much every other day of my life with people
who are above a certain age, usually older than millennials,
and they are permanently fucked by this thing. They are
never going to be fixed in these terms, and it
is it is something that makes people evil. William Darrylnple,
when he was talking about some aspects of the Soviet Union,
mentioned that mentioned that they almost want you to buy
into the ideology as such so that the excesses are
things that you'll tolerate. Or maybe your village tax man
has been gotten rid of and you're very happy because
you no longer have to sacrifice fifty percent of your
vegetable patch in order to appease him. The same thing
is true with all of the endless hypnotic entertainments of
the screen, or the kimera who has kind of a
mind of its own. I used the phrase genius loci
earlier to describe a spirit that is a real spirit
that lives within the English and is waiting to be
summoned up marine emory. You could describe, using sort of
modern esoteric terminology, the Khmera as an eggregore. It is
a being that wouldn't exist on its own, but it's
sort of technologically superimposed over whole hills and vales of
the country, and done so on an international basis. There
was a conversation tangentially related to this that I had
with someone who was literally called tag Beer meaning I
think holy war, and he was surprised how much I
knew about your party in Palestine and so on. But
his entire legal PhD is on getting reparations from the Europeans,
and the way that he described it was he wanted
to take the de Narti vacation program that was imposed
by the American Empire and the Soviets in the aftermath
of the Second World War in order to just break
the people by showing them this footage, this edited footage,
again and again and again and drilling down into them
like that. And he called this mind rape. He said
he wanted to do that to the British and there
was evidence that it worked, and if you had to
get rid of social media and get rid of computer
screens in order to do that, that would be great.
And I asked him if he had any sort of
particular hang ups with the British people, and he said, no,
I just want to do what's right. That is what
the Khmera is. The camera is, in effect, the technological
mind fuckery that occurs before you know, your average sort
of Kistani gruma named Mohammad Kara or something, it's a
real name, gains this invisibility cloak over him and then
goes and perpetuates some of the worst crimes we've seen
in this country since before the medieval period. As for
the parents, I think I'll get started on Agatha's mother,
because she's the one that I think has haunted me
the most since I produced her. I don't really consider
this spoiler. She's an only fans for she does these
only fans videos, and this has a connection with the gang,
and she's leaning into this sort of thing because she's
grieving the fact that her husband was murdered by this
Albanian and her father's a former policeman. Now, not only if
one consults one's working class friends who live in similar
situations to these, and there are hundreds of thousands who do,
but if you look at the Small Catechism of Martin
Luther and you look at how important the figure of
the patriarch in the family is treated at He's treated
as the priest of the family who's responsible for all
of these individuals, and also the history of Lutheranism within
particular zones of Germany. What you work out is, in
functioning working class families and kinship networks, there is almost
always one big man who is the lynchpin of the
whole operation, and as soon as he's gone, as was
the case in my friend Tom's situation, everything collapses. Everything
becomes immediate gratification, how do I fulfill my passions? How
do I get stimulus checks from the government. And that's
precisely what happens with Agatha and her grieving mother, who
already mean that they're not upper middle class girls, either
her or her mother. They already have these tendencies toward
self destruction since their class was basically cut up during
the Thatcher era and a bit before. So what they're
doing is like a more extreme, multiculturalized version of the
tendencies they were having before, losing the father in the family,
losing the household. And I regard this to a certain
extent sympathetically, and to a certain extent not. There is
this very interesting sketch by Hogarth which is called a
whores Progress, which Jane Austen actually references in a few
of her letters, and it shows this great, big woman
who is giving this poor girl all this beer in
order to get addicted to alcohol and then she can
prostitute this poor girl. App there are these women who
were involved in Rotherhain, and they were white English women
who looked exactly like the woman giving the beer, the
big old woman doing that, and they loved the feeling
of power of having these young girls and their sexuality
under their command, and they were expected, one of them
said before she was arrested, to earn their keep. So
it's not just that the grim In gangs are awful
in their own right. They play on the worst aspects
of the British population that are latently narcissistic and psychopathic anyway,
and that's exactly what happens with missus Alice Darger, who
is lost in her own world, and hence the evocation
of Lewis Carroll. As for Jack's father and mother, the
mother's a sort of posh Tory type who wants to
do the good thing, even though she has the right instincts.
You mentioned Mace. Mace's is banned in this country now,
at least, so unable to defend herself, horrified by what's happening.
The father is this very pretentious liberal type who likes
reading Philip Larkin, and I think that's basically then.
Speaker 3: The moment with Mace is an interesting one. Are you
familiar with Johan Kers, Yes, i am.
Speaker 7: I met him.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm jealous. He's a very talented writer. But in
one of the interviews he did promoting his book, which
is quite good. I think he've now referenced it twice
in one week, so you should pick it up if
you're interested. But he was speaking about a very dramatic
incident when he was still living in England, where in
a very well to do historic neighborhood, there was a
you know, an afghanman sleeping on his doorstep. He asks
him to leave so that his wife and children can
go about their business. This devolves into, you know, sort
of a shoving match, and eventually, you know, the men
are scared off. And as the solution or as the
the situation subsides, he sees this older man sort of
peering out around a corner and he says, oh, I
would have had your back, and he reaches into his
coat and he grabs a pressurized can of spray paint,
you know, to mark the offender so that when you know,
had things gone differently, if Johan was beheaded, at least
the police would have been able to identify the man
because he had yellow spray paint on his jacket. And
this is something that you know, who less sympathetic Americans
will use as in jokes, right, They'll they'll make fun
of you know, you Brits and you know, for a
certain level you can sort of understand why, but very fundamentally,
like this is an egregious wrong done to you and
your people. The idea that even the most passive form
of self defense like an irritant, you know, which I mean,
at someone who's been exposed to it. It's certainly not pleasant,
but it is entirely survivable. We make every soldier in
this country experience it and they don't all die. You know,
it's not blasting them with a blunderbuss or something taken
off the table. I mean, it's completely totally absurd. Obviously
it's not your fault. Clearly, you know, your politicians don't
listen to you know, what what you people want, but
it does sort of you know, that was a very
poignant example both from you know, Johan's experience and also
in the novel because additionally, and I don't remember the
you know, the ethnicity of the the shopkeeper, but that
is another dynamic throughout the book where we see Jack
continually going to stores, you know, going to the kind
of third places, you know, where you would get you know,
a bottle of water, where you would buy pepper spray,
in another country, and they're always staffed by hostile and
resentful ethnic minorities. There's a scene where h Jack has
been been drinking and he goes in for a bottle,
gets overcharged, pays the white tax, goes in again, buys
another one at a discounted rate. And that's a very
minor moment, you know, it's on a pivotal turning point,
but it does show I think something, you know, very
dramatic that even those obviously that direct way to protect
yourself is off the board, but also these very minor
interactions you know, shop as you know, buying a bottle
of water when you're hungover, or you know, going to
you know, provide groceries have been turned into effectively hostile
ethnic shakedowns.
Speaker 6: On this, I think it's worth talking a bit about
the self defense thing, because most Americans don't realize that
we had guns until the dun Blaine massacre. And then
because we have a sovereign parliament, which is generally a
good thing in terms of you know, trying to recover
the country and so far as it can be recovered,
they just decided to get rid of all the guns,
and that that was universally accepted at the time because
of how bad this guy going in and killing all
of these children in I think a preschool happened to
be in a nursery. Beyond that, self defense is directly
discouraged from the top down via the education system. I
used to get in lots of fights at school, and
every time that I fought back, because I was not
regarded as an endemically messed up problem child, I got
worse punishments than the kids. For instance, there was one
who was sent to our school from another school because
I went to a sort of poor grammar school, and
we were meant to reform him. He brought knives to
his other schools frequently, and then he would fall asleep
at the front of our history classes. And yet we
got it when we got in a scuffle. I was
meant to take the blame for all of these things.
You are not allowed to defend yourself whatsoever. And there
is legal case after legal case of people entering British
people's property and then British people trying to defend themselves.
For instance, there's one guy in the woods who was
a bit of a crazy bloke who had all these
bear traps and so on guys broke in there, he
shot them and then he was thrown in prison. That's
the basis for the attitude that you see disseminated among
the British by and you know inclusively the English, the Scottish,
the Wealth and the Northern Irish. Unless you're someone who
has already been to prison and is consequently not afraid
of this sort of thing, because you've already been humiliated,
you've been sort of painted badly with the brush of
being on the wrong side of the law, you are
going to be terrified about this kind of thing. And
given how sensitive the middle class or bourgeoisie in our
country is to being associated with the likes of Tommy
Robinson or anyone like that, you know, people that they're
trying to escape because they're actually biologically connected to those individuals,
nothing is going to happen. The other part of this
that is historically worth addressing is the National Front, mainly
in the seventies and eighties, became such a big four
in British politics, or at least a big enough force
that the McPherson report, I believe it was decided that
they had to be quashed and ruined. This is a
party that was established by GK. Chesterton's cousin called AK Chesterton.
A wonderful nickname to him would be Ak forty seven
Chesterton that I don't think he heard it. What the
crushing of these movements and the implementation of Frank Soscus's
free speech laws materially did in the country is they
broke up the system of antibodies that existed within the
working class. They just humiliated those people. They trod all
over them. They prevented them from organizing under ethnic banners,
having uniforms, or anything along those lines. And because of
on the one hand, that and the fact of our
self defense laws, and also the class dynamics that are
so present here that aren't present in the United States.
When you see someone of a different ethnicity, who is
who has protected characteristics, as they say, attack someone indigenous,
there is a very high chance the average individual is
just going to walk away, walk away or ask if
everyone's okay, rather than getting involved. I mean, it angers
me every time I see something like this, because I
know I'm going to see it more.
Speaker 3: And it's it's one of the most it's one of
the most sinister things because each one of these these trends,
you know, whether it is the pacification through you know,
pourn and weed in video games, or the direct chemical pacification,
the sort of therapeutic conflict resolution, you know, that system
of effectively you know, talking everything out, maintaining a very
non threatening posture, and then obviously with self defense as well.
As it is it is punishing bridge and rewarding passivity.
That is the trait being selected for. And you see
this in you know, the academic world, right that you
were effectively best served by going with the program as
much as you possibly can. You know, if you can
publish a good bit that's helpful, but don't say anything
controversial in the slightest and to your sort of returning
to you know, the kind of pairing of Fauna and Jack.
It is sort of this interesting choice that must be
made effectively. Will you accept the programming or will you
accept that you are resigning from polite society, that you
will no longer receive the benefit of being aligned with
the system. And I think that this was a more
prominent conversation in the US during COVID A word I
probably shouldn't have said on YouTube, but go with it anyway.
For instance, I have a very distinct memory of helping
one of my friends move and my roommate at the time,
long term friend. We were helping him, you know, up
on the roof, patching something, both of us at you know,
good universities, pursuing our degrees. And it was right when
you know the message that Biden said you weren't allowed
to get a job at a company of above a
certain size without a medical treatment, and had a very
frank conversation that like are we roofers now? Like is
this our life? Because you know that seemingly was the position,
and as that has retreated from memory, I think many
people have forgotten that effectively, there is no third option.
You cannot both receive praise from the machine and work
to oppose it. It's pretty basic. And obviously, as you said,
class dynamics are different between my country and uh they're
much more implicit here, They're much less kind of It's
messier for any number of reasons. Demographic reasons is a
large part of that too. But when I interact with
middle class British people, by and large, I see people
who are completely and totally controlled by social status, and
particularly controlled by social status as regards the gamut right,
the evil racist rule, or the evil racist working class,
the Chuds, as we would say, here are the rednecks.
And it's a it's very strikingly expressed in your book, Edward.
Speaker 6: We think about how I can deal with that. I
might I might have mentioned this last time, but it
is quite simply amazing. And one can see this in
some of Adam Curtis's documentaries on the period, which are
all very good. How much the experience of upper middle
class people in the seventies and eighties trying to act
for the benefit of working class people and going out
with their little leaflets and forms before being confronted with
the reality of Bez the Gammon shook them. It completely
traumatized them, and it made them want to have a
global proletariat as opposed to a local proletariat. They could
still fulfill their dreams of, you know, post Christian humanism
in the tradition of William Wilberforce, as I mentioned before,
or you have to you don't actually have to fix
your soul. What you have to do is do political things.
Now that is a bit unfair on Wilberforce, but there
are certain of his fans that took that message from him. Yeah,
they feel that they have this no bless so believe
they have this role that is necessary to make them
navigate society in the right direction. And yet as soon
as they see the elements that they're expected to handle directly,
they do what Yavin would call the Missus Jellybee thing
and they start giving more money to people in the
East Indies than the starving children that directly surround them
in their own streets. In terms of how this can
be counteracted, I don't think it's something that the English
can do on their own. And I think it is
very notable that a lot of the people that I
know in Restore Britain are either Catholic converts or they're
partly Scottish or something, And there are lots of these
figures within British sort of fringe politics who are not
completely British. Nima Pavini is a good one. I mentioned
him earlier. Half Iranian. There is a radicalism that insists
upon itself within the British context that is not purely English.
Much in the same way that if you look at
the example of Finland, you know, highest average IQ in Europe.
I think it's one hundred and seven. Yet all of
their elites, or most of their elites, they're disproportionately Swedish.
They're Swedish fins. And this is because despite the IQ thing,
Finn sorry of Swedes, tend to have a higher general
factor of personality, so they're going to be more charming,
They're going to be more charismatic in one way or another.
So I don't really think these dynamics play out with
the English helping and fixing themselves. I think there are
some additional things. Obviously, I'm half Scottish, so I'm also
you know, tooting my own horn very quietly as I
do this. But to this end, I think it's fascinating
that Blair's cabinet when it came in and was so revolutionary,
it was disproportionately Scottish. It was not English. And there
is a radicalism in the Scottish character that needs to
be adhered to and respected to a certain extent, meaning
that even if you know you're in a very nice
area of Edinburgh and Scotland is so nice in comparison
with England, especially Edinburgh, you will find crazies. You will
find organic gin who is this nutty homeless man who
is a former heir of this fortune, asking you if
you want to see his organic moves before doing some
of the most explicive dancing you'll ever perceive. And another
one called the Edinburgh Barbarian, who is this jacked ruder,
also from a wealthy family, who just records himself on
a shitty little TikTok iPhone whilst posing and frightening girls
to talk about the power of humanity. All of these
forces can be wielded in a positive direction. But I
don't think the middle class English are going to be
able to help themselves. They are going to vote Libden
with their Davy and maybe they're dissatisfied. Transgendered children will
sidle in with the Greens. And Zack Polanski who has
a skull that looks like it could consume infants like Harribo.
Speaker 3: Is you Scottish Edward?
Speaker 6: I don't think he is. I think his ancestor might
be that wonderful filmmaker Roman who people don't like for
some reason.
Speaker 3: Well, in all seriousness, this book is quite good. I
recommend you all pick up a copy of it. I'll
put the correct links and the description. I only put
the UK Store last time. So I bought this book
from England. Took quite a long time to get here,
but turns out you can get it on regular American
websites and it won't take weeks to get here. Ed.
Other than that, where can people find you?
Speaker 6: I'm at Anglican Gonzo on Twitter. You can find the
book I Guess on old Speak and Amazon. In terms
of where my location is, I hope I haven't made
it too evident and if anyone wants to contact me,
I will be in the ether.
Speaker 3: Fair enough. As far as my stuff, Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
anywhere you listen to podcasts, this is what I do.
I'm a full time podcaster. If you want to support me,
you can do so at Patreon, Substack, or gumbro. Get
the episodes early with no ads. It's probably worth it.
I know the ads are irritating, although apparently cottage Cheese,
no brand, just the concept of cottage cheese is promoting
my podcast, so you know, I appreciate those ads, probably
better than casinos and pharmaceuticals. In addition, you can check
out our sponsor, Pox and Soun's Coffee. They sent me
a bunch of coffee it's pretty good. Check it out.
If you use my name, Jay Burden, you get I believe,
fifteen percent off just not half bad, ed. I appreciate it.
Man and everyone at home, keep your head up. I
can't last forever.
Speaker 7: Good night.
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