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the hiding spots, the bigger the smiles when they're found.

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up on Cadbury Easter eggs and let the hunt begin.

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Speaker 2: The car is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Where did you end up going for it?

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cars for more dealerships like anywhere else.

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Speaker 4: You have to put me in touch.

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Speaker 2: What's it called? It's dune ADL where don adl. There's

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an accent on the e. Do you mean yes? I

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got ondone deal cars?

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Speaker 1: Lift?

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Speaker 2: Please? You're going to pass kimage, Oh kimmage, No done

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deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else?

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Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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and wing.

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Speaker 5: Dig down in the forest.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's gonna cause the tree fall.

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Speaker 6: Letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody's seen nobody. You

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don't mean no.

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Speaker 7: Man. You don't like you a little story and.

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Speaker 6: You got like that.

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Speaker 7: That's the way.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Don't like a dang on a pan on.

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Speaker 7: Man, Man, you don't don't matter.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 3: All right, Edward McLaren, Welcome back to the show. How

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are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 6: Doing pretty good? Yeah, I just came back from a

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very long run, so I'm feeling all pumped to talk

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about the book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So our last episode highly reviewed. People really liked it.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then that you mentioned the novel that you wrote.

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I've read it. Thanks to my unfortunate experience with American

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air travel, I had plenty of time to go over

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it and you know, sort of powered through it in

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one setting. Before we get into it, I just will

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say it's it's quite good. If you're you know, if

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you just want my simple review, buy it and read it.

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It's not what I would say, the most pleasant novel,

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but given the subject matter that's understanding, it is well done.

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It's worth your time. But just before we went live,

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you you were talking about exactly that dynamic, you know,

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the sort of pleasure enjoyment of reading a novel, and

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you know, before we get into kind of the very

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grim subject matter. I'd be curious to get your thoughts

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on that. Well.

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Speaker 6: The design philosophy behind this thing actually comes more from

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film than it does from novels. As such, I initially

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really wanted to be a film director when I was say,

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fourteen fifteen. I watched all of the classic movies you

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know that was at the Battle of Algiers, petent Kin,

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all this Tarkowski and so on. And now, of course

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film has completely disappeared from my interest. But Tony Kaye,

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who directed American History Acts, who I think is funny

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for a number of reasons. Whilst disliking him, namely him

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getting so royally pissed off about Edward Norton wanting to

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change the ending of his film. He thought that if

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you're taking a serious subject and trying to make a

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film out of it, there's no reason you have to

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go all Bellatar and slow everything down and make the

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experience of consuming this product deeply, deeply awful as awful

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as the subject matter. He thought, No, I'm going to

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edit this kind of like I do my advertisements for TV,

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and I'm going to make sure that there is esthetic

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pleasure to keep the person going in right the novel,

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which maybe you can tell I did very very quickly.

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I thought this is a subject that no one, especially

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in the bourgeoisie, who are partly responsible through their ignorance

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of allowing the grooming gangs to proliferate. These people should

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be able to read this thing and kind of get

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something out of it. Otherwise they're just not going to

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process the data. They're not going to sit down and read,

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say Professor Allison Shaw's book what was it called again,

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Kinship and Continuity, which looks at the deep history of

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Pakistani communities in Oxford and by extension, Britain as a whole.

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They're not going to go over the Casey Report. They're

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not going to look at crime statistics. They're not even

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going to look, for instance, at the route at Low

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Rape Gang Inquiry, although I do like through but gang

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Rape Gang Inquiry because they create all of these little

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graphics that reveal something horrifying from the victim's testimony. Unfortunately,

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we live in the twenty first century. We are all

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consumers the instincts have been stimulated irrevocably, and in order

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for something to linger and last within the human memory,

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it has to take the form of a product that

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someone can process and enjoy. And whilst that might seem

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a little bit vulgar for a subject such as this,

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it is completely necessary, at least to my mind, that

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something like that takes place.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And when I when I say I didn't enjoy it,

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that doesn't mean it's not good. That doesn't mean it

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doesn't have weight to it. But it means that, you know,

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if you're if you have a certain sensitivity right to

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reading a novel, it does not it's not a good feeling.

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Now that is separate from quality, of course, And I'm

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glad you brought up the you know, example of American

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history XC and that sort of that sort of I

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guess you could say strategy, because I have certainly had

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the experience of reading something which is so awful, even

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if it is you know, accurately rendering that it sort

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of becomes numbing, right, It sort of it overloads your

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ability to to sort of absorb what is going on.

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I mean, honestly, this is a critique often made of

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soldier needs it right where it's like, okay, like I

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understand this is awful, but after page six hundred, my

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capacity to absorb it has been reached. And I, like

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many people, did not finish The Jeatson for exactly that reason.

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And I think that you know, the the esthetic sensibilities

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that you have keeps it keeps you away from that trap,

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and particularly the the opening to the book, which is

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sort of an artistic understanding of the history of this

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town or this village, and it's incredibly moving. And as

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someone who has not spent much time you know, in

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your in your home country, it's it. It's something I

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particularly enjoy from from novels, which is having works that

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have a very strong sense of place. This is why

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I love you know that the Southern Gothics, This is

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why I you know, even you know other places I've

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never been. I think of, Oh, never mind, it was

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a French author whose name I can't remember, but you know,

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a very similar thing. And so the pros in it

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is moving, you know, it pulls you into the the

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narrative at just a side there. So I'm curious to

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what degree is your knowledge of this subject matter and

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of this area autobiographical and personal, not that you are

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the main character by any means, but are you pulling

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from personal experience?

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Speaker 6: Oh, an enormous amount. There was a conversation I had

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with this very good journalist called Bradley Stratton on the subject,

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and here assumed that certain aspects of the book were

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actually made up or satirical when they when they weren't

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at all. So, for example, there's one moment where the

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main character is I think in the early years of

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his secondary school, and he gets into a fight with

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a boy aptly named Muhammad and is then sent to

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this therapist who is called Miir, who was obsessed with

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bell hooks, and and you're not allowed to spell this

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woman's name without a capitual letter, and of course I

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instinctively actually spell her name with capital letters in the book,

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just to sort of, you know, rub it in that woman.

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Speaker 3: I noticed that by that way, Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: No worries that that woman was a real person that

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I was assigned in the middle of therapy. And this

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was when I was being canceled, I think, in my

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second year at university, and I was talking about the

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fact that I believed in freedom of speech, and she

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was talking about how all of that white nonsense must

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go no matter what. The other thing that has come

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up recently is that via just directly researching the grooming

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gang phenomenon in more detail in places that surround me,

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I won't go into detail in case I get a

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nail bomb. One always discovers that there's more of it

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than you expected. There are some extremely posh towns in

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the British South, in the Home Counties that we used

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as trafficking spots. I mentioned Oxford before we started having

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this conversation, but there is this place in Oxford which

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is called the Nanford Guesthouse, or at least it was,

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and it was one of the major trafficking sites, and

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it's one of the only trafficking sites that was released

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to the public and it was disclosed because of the

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borderline private investigations of one Simon Morton. I went there

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and it is now called the Rassa Syang House. And

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Russa Siong is a Malay phrase which means sensation of

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love and it's related to this song Rasasion that they

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sing in Malaysia and Indonesia about getting all the girls,

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getting all the lovely young girls. Given that six out

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of eight of the Oxford Guomingang ringleaders have now been

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released from prison because they have completed half of their sentence,

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and that is supposedly how the British prison system works.

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What are the odds that they are not there?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 6: What if I went there with a camera and I

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just lingered outside that place and similar destinations like Premier Ins,

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and I saw what was going on. So on the

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one hand, as the memoir aspect of me just drawing

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from the absurdity of my own experience and the fact that,

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for instance, the poem Colonization in Reverse was an optional

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poem for my English GCSE, which is the exam that

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you do midway through high school, which celebrates Jamaican people

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colonize in England in reverse.

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Speaker 6: And on the other hand, there the fact that I

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am constantly now plumbing the depths of my own psyche

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to try and work out if, say, when I was ten, twelve, fifteen,

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eighteen nineteen yesterday, there was a sign of that kind

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of human trafficking going on in the background that I

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just didn't pick up on, because it's all there, and

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there is always this ced underside in every little town

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or zone that you go to. An enemy of mine

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who I will not name, described the opening of the

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novel as quasish Bengalarian, and I regard that as a

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very high compliment. The other thing that I would mention

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is I think there is, leaving aside the Southern Gothic genre,

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which I also enjoy, something peculiarly British and or European

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about the novel, in that if you look at Shirley

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Jackson's Hill House, the line the opening line is something

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like hill House had stood for eighty two years. Meanwhile,

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I am living currently in a building that is called

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hill House. And this place has been here since the

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Georgian period at least, so it is significantly older than

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what we would now call the United States by and large.

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And there is a pub further down my lane that

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is from the fourteenth or thirteenth century, further than this.

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Whereas in the American Psyche, and this is something that

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I'm trying to get into in the sequel, to a

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certain extent, there is this sense that you're on someone

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else's ancestral land, and there are all of these Native

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American burial grounds filled with ghosts and revenants and angry specters,

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like in Stephen King's The Shining, They're going to come

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out and get you. In Britain, the ghosts are your

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own ancestors, and they have been here since the beginning,

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which is why there's this dynamic, not to spoil too much,

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that I'm now focusing on, where you have a Muslim

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family who are written somewhat sympathetically and living in the

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middle of London, who developed this idea after one of

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the girls in the household plays this game until Dawn,

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which is about Wendigo, that all of the English people

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living in the countryside are these the monic Wendigo that

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are sort of surging up and eventually they'll be driven away.

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And the ghosts in the house because there is a

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vague supernatural element, the ghosts in their house are wondering

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why the hell they're there? Why are these Why are

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these Iranians that I've seen on postcards that my husband

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has sent me from the New World in I don't know,

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sixteen ninety or something like that, now dwelling in my abode?

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What is going on? Yes, So that sprawl should answer

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two of the angles that you were trying to address,

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and then throw a little bit more in for good.

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Speaker 3: One of the interesting dynamics is, obviously, in a global sense,

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culturally you and I are cousins, but there are certain

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aspects about your culture that, just because of distance, are

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relatively opaque to me. And I think that you know,

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whether it was that that series Adolescence, that Game Pathways

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that came out not too long ago, or this novel,

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I didn't realize the degree to which aggressive anti racist

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psychotherapy is weaponized against young men in your country. And

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you know, sure I've spoken about a similar, albeit slightly

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less aggressive version of that system that exists in my nation,

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perhaps less politically focused, but particularly I found the series

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of instances where you know, our main character is in therapy,

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whether kind of before or after shall we say, the

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dramatic moment, but also the presence of medication in this

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book right as a literal controlling mechanism is something that

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you know, thankboy, I have not experienced, but I have

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seen many of my peers, and I was wondering if

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you could speak about that element in the book.

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Speaker 6: I think that's a really incisive observation. The other thing is,

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I think it's gotten significantly worse now because just to

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do a sort of nemapavin elite theory analysis of what's occurring,

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and assuming that countries such as they are are run

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in organizational and industrial capacities where you're trying to make

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sure this number of people get that much food so

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they don't misbehave or vice versa. The government has, to

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put it briefly, realized that they fucked up with the phones.

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They've realized they fucked up with the phones and the

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computers and children having these devices that they can use

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to collect data on them like cattle for their whole lives,

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and that this has destroyed people's attention spans. And so

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now you find incidentally, these mass diagnosis can pains for

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antidepressants and especially ADHD medication, which are seemingly designed just

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to make them function without doing away with the iPhone

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or the computer or anything like that, or imposing more

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strict regulations on those things. They are intentionally drugging the population,

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at least to my mind, although I'm going out on

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the limb when I'm saying this, to make sure that

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they keep working. As for the schooling system, by and large,

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a point that you made last time that I don't

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think I dealt with enough is what you regarded as

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the endemic nature of feminism within British society versus American society,

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where there's a component of it, but there's also this

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broader idea of the Democrat coalition, and I thought that

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you were right on the money with that, and I

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had to go away and think about it. And much

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in the same way that you could say that progressivism

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going to South Korea was an awful cocktail, because it

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combined a society that was already exceedingly maternalistic and nannying

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with an ideology that gave a sort of blank check

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for nannying disciplining behavior. You could say the same thing

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is true about Britain. It could be argued that the

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reason why we didn't have much of the trans thing

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versus the United States is because we already had this

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turf class empowered in our society, and they didn't want

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to be playing second fiddle next to men dressing up

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as women, or auto gynophiles or poor deranged autistic kits

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of one sort or another. And so rather than that

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being a victory for democracy and free speech or our people,

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it was just them stolidly trying to remain in power.

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And these are all of the people who are in

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the medical professions. These are all of the people who

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are nurses, These are all of the people, especially who

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are guidance counselors at schools. These are all of the

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people who are matrons. We mentioned our mutual friend Ed

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Dutton a while back. He is right to point out

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that these people are disproportionately high in narcissism and are

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using children, especially boys, as conduits for their own vengefulness

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towards the world in one way or another. And I think,

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again not to give too much away, this really comes

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out in the character Fauna, or as he was originally called, Frederick.

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I'll get into it a bit more. I know you

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were on the verge of saying something, but Fauna is

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this true male to female transgender autistic who's very analytic

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in his theory of mind and really really likes Plato

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and physics and sort of synthesizes these two components. He's

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one of the very few characters who was smarter than

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the main character, and significantly so. And yet he has

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ultimately bought hook Line and Sinker into the system. And

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he does this by allowing the system to change him

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and allowing himself to be convinced that there's no way out.

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He's never going to be loved, he's never going to

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be successful, and both because of his own degree of

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internal narcissism as well as his autism. He thinks, great,

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I'll just adopt all of these you know names that

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the system wants me to use in order to succeed,

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and I'll permit them to perform surgery on me so

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that I can exist and my existence can be tolerated.

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And I knew when I was at university these four

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computer programmers who were associated with this one girl that

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nobody really liked, especially me, and all of them within

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the space of about five months, transitioned. And they did

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it because they were not especially attractive, not charismatic, but

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very very smart, autistically minded men who felt themselves separated

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from their own being and felt that they could moderate

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this through some logical system of one sort or another.

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That the number of men, especially in Britain and in

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Scotland in particular, who have been permanently damaged by this

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sort of stuff is simply unreal. And to a certain extent,

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I think the Turfs. The Turfs are opposed to them

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and opposed to their mania and wanting to enter women's spaces,

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because they also regard them as a threat on their own,

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even if they hadn't transitioned as autistic men who can

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organize and who can innovate, and do not like living

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in a sort of nanny Mucci savella, which is what

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modern Britain has become.

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Speaker 3: It's a depressingly accurate term. It's interesting because it was

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exactly the character that is going to bring up because

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in a worse novel.

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Speaker 3: That character would be written very differently, and we see Jack,

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we see our main character instinctively recoil and at a

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certain point in the novel sort of grow to hate Fauna.

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But his role is quite interesting in the narrative. We

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come to as the audience develop a great deal of

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sympathy and you realize that effectively, Jack and Fauna are

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very similar. Effectively, the split was how do you react

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to the nanny McPhee flavella. Do you oppose it, bring

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that what it may or do you say, well, I'll

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double down, you know, I will do exactly what I

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need to. And it's interesting you bring that up because

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the first transgender person I ever met was my freshman

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year at college. I didn't last long at this college

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for reasons that you could you can no doubt survise.

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But and it was the one Scott on campus, right

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And okay, sure that's a literal sample size of one,

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but it very much seemed to be a similar situation

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where and to be fully honest, I did not know

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this person was transgender. I thought they were just a

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computer programmer and kind of weird. I assumed it was

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just an odd guy until he went into the the

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women's storm, and I said, oh wait a minute, now,

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he's not just Scottish. Turns out as another level there.

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But the point is, I think that that's a very

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fascinating element in this book, particularly because we see after

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sort of and we'll we'll speak about this obviously, this

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book is about, you know, the grooming game scandal. We

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see Fauna return in sort of the last third as

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a unlikely ally, which again I think in a cheaper

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version of this story, that character would be you know,

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we were deemed and beli eevil and I think that

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that was a very elegant way to bring that character back.

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And so I'm curious, what were you what were you

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attempting to do with that?

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Speaker 6: I think, as you've alluded to already, I was trying

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to stress that politics aside, there is this solidarity that

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one finds amongst young men. And if you're a young man,

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you are indelibly shaped by the system that we live under,

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especially the educational aspects, and consequently there is more in

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common between these different factions of young men than expected.

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If you just assume that you're analysis of the world

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that is sincere and direct and empirical is true, then

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you also know that the men who transition or decide

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to buy into the overcoding that the system wants to

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impose on them have some of the same data that

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you have, and in fact, in a different world, would

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have potentially been your friend or ally. An aspect of

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the Fauner character that I find upsetting even when I

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go over it is the fact that he so obviously

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could have been the friend that the main character so

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dearly needed as he was going through all of this stuff,

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because he's a fellow sufferer, he has been through it himself,

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and yet because of the nature of his own identity

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and the faustian bargain not in the stranglarian sense that

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he has made, he cannot acknowledge any of this solidarity,

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and it becomes completely wasted. And another aspect of this

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is the fact that the girl character Agatha, who is

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the sort of sacrificial victim in the whole thing, was

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formally helped by Fauna before act. Fawner knew about him,

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and sorry knew about her, seemingly whilst he was still

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using his own name. And so because of the failure

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of that initiatic ritual of masculinity, please help me, please,

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save me, he inverts his own identity in order to

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continue to live comfortably and personally. When people have come

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to me and confronted me with something terrible that's happened

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to them, I do feel I must say this kind

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of chivalrous urge to assist, and if I didn't do that,

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I would be totally renouncing an aspect of my own identity.

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I think my editor, I won't say her name, but

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she put this to me quite well by suggesting that

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underneath the sort of horrible, shredded postmodernity that one sees

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in the book, there is this kind of fantasy world,

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and not in the sense of it being unreal, but

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this world of knights and shield maidens and miss cole

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beasts that can be assailed and confronted. But because all

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of the particles in the universe at a micro level

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have gone wrong or been reorganized to benefit particular people

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in power and their selfishness, that can't be The main

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character cannot marry the girl because she has been destroyed,

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and the best thing that they can have together is

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a kind of fraternal bond, and the same thing obviously

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goes with Fauna's distorted fate by the end of the text.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that again is something to your

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credit because and you see a lot of this in

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sort of dissident right wing circles, which is the desire

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to sort of publish your manifesto as a novel, to

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turn that into sort of an overly I guess you

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could say, an overly direct just description of here's what

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I think, where the characters become cardboard cutouts for ideologies.

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And obviously you know you and I have talked ed,

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but I could probably guess your politics from reading this book.

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It wouldn't be particularly difficult to find. But that was

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what I think was so affecting about the novel. Our

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main characters are fundamentally changed, or the worse, they do

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not get out of this scott free. It does not

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return to that kind of fantasy world of knights and

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shield maidens. I mean, you know, one great example is

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that Jack is maimed in a very dramatic way and

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physically damaged for the rest of his life. You know,

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00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,640
he does not get out scott free. And similarly, you know,

479
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:01,480
well we're being light on details, but there is something

480
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:04,680
to be said for the fact that Agatha has been

481
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:09,880
so deeply damaged, that this will not be a sort

482
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,319
of ride into the sunset moment. You know, there is

483
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,400
an escape, there is, you know, a cessation to this abuse,

484
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,640
but it's not cheapened by you know, simply discarding it

485
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,559
at the end to have the kind of Hollywood ending.

486
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,279
And so I would commend you on that. And then,

487
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,119
you know, if I could turn it into a question,

488
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,279
I'd be curious to get your response.

489
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:35,839
Speaker 6: Hmm, okay, I'll see what I can pass all together.

490
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,359
First off, just anecdotally, a friend of mine is a

491
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,440
supply teacher, and he works in all of these different

492
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:50,119
state schools. And besides the very good now VLR assisted

493
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,839
Holocaust education that these kids get for about five to

494
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,319
six weeks, five to six weeks, he tells me that

495
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:02,160
they can't read. He tells me that there is only

496
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,279
one student in his class who was Chinese that said

497
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:06,640
he read the pleasure and all of the rest of

498
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,720
them are doing the six seventh thing. And one could

499
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:14,720
very easily imagine these kids, any of them that survive

500
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,160
as dementia patients when they're seventy or eighty, just going.

501
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: Think Devin, Think Devin.

502
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:30,079
Speaker 6: Forever animated by the means of twenty first century shit

503
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,000
top and slot fests, and that's where a significant proportion

504
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,079
of our population is going. It's like chapter two hundred

505
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,759
of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, But rather than miscegenation

506
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,599
leading either to you know, Frederick the second of Hohenstealfen

507
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,000
or a sort of perfect human slave, it's the psychological

508
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,519
distortion between the child that sees the god in the

509
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:56,319
machine and is teaching himself, you know, how to program

510
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,480
supercomputers on the one hand, and then the real entity,

511
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,839
the entity that is created out of reels and is

512
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,680
not human in the same way at all anymore, probably

513
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,759
coincident with IQ distributions, but also just not also coincident

514
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,400
with parental neglect, and ever increasingly, I'm thinking that's the

515
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,839
future that we're headed toward. It is going to be

516
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:24,359
this actual management of the population that the philosopher you've all,

517
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Noah Harari referred to as useless eaters using porn in

518
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,400
video games and KFC. That's where we're headed, and there's

519
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,880
no averting that in any way at all. Things are

520
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,119
not going to get better. And in fact, this is

521
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,839
one of the reasons that I think, because you mentioned

522
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:47,200
pathways earlier, the Amelia figure is so interesting, the Amelia figure,

523
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,519
who is this this sort of BPD art ho to

524
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,200
use a categorization rather than an insult with purple hair,

525
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,119
with a nose rearing, with a wart on her face.

526
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,640
And this main character who is just a sort of

527
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,720
ordinary middle class boy who gets involved in right wing politics.

528
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:10,039
Why is this Amelia character the natural matchup now for

529
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:14,559
this regular boy? Why isn't the tradwife his matchup?

530
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Speaker 6: And there are various answers. One of them, again Dutton's,

540
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,720
is that people on the right, on the real right,

541
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,599
and people on the real left, they're both crazy. And

542
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,079
although the left the real left are crazier than the

543
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,720
real right, and so they belong to and there's this dynamism.

544
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,079
The other thing is the tradwife has been revealed time

545
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,039
and time again to be a mask for ulterior motives.

546
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,960
I don't know, Sarah Stock, so I'm not going to

547
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,840
go in for that sort of thing. But everyone knows

548
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,239
the story and everyone knows the examples associated with this

549
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:22,320
kind of thing. So the best case scenario, which is

550
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,320
developing at least by the end of the novel between

551
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,559
Jack and Agatha, is that, as I was saying, you

552
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:31,599
have this fraternal relationship where, you know, maybe it's not exclusive,

553
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,039
maybe you're not married, maybe you don't promise to stick

554
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,559
with one another forever, but you're in this bizarrely plastic

555
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:46,800
but also partly solidifying situationship. And given the fact that

556
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:51,440
not only in Europe, but especially in my country, there's

557
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:57,239
just no real reason to get married anymore because we

558
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,159
have our own version of no fault divorce laws and

559
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,280
church attendants is so low, and our new archbishop is

560
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,119
an activist who spits in the face of everything that

561
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,559
is part of our Anglican tradition. What are we meant

562
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:15,639
to do apart from either give up romantic hopes, try

563
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:21,000
and recreate the situation of patrician marriage where the Roman

564
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,519
patriarch has total rights over the wife and child, or

565
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,559
this sort of on again and off again situation that

566
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:32,840
only generates bastards, or simply give up entirely. There is

567
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,599
no grand restoration from that sort of thing, or environmental

568
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,639
degradation or having plastic in our blood. And I can

569
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,960
give you one example that just hammers home how bad

570
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,119
the trajectory for this sort of thing really is, which

571
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:53,199
is I went into a church in this town that

572
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,440
I went to school in and it's actually Bottleford in

573
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,039
the novel is kind of based on this town to

574
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:02,119
a certain extent. And I went to this church that

575
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,360
I hadn't been to before, and I opened the door.

576
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,199
It's a beautiful Catholic church with these great, big stained

577
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:10,719
glass windows in it, and suddenly I see hair dryers

578
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,079
and I see sort of clear flat landing. It's been

579
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,000
very polished, and there are no pews. And a woman

580
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:19,280
comes up and says, can I help you? And I

581
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,559
work out that the thing has been hollowed out and

582
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,760
cannibalized and turned into a hairdressers. It's been turned it's

583
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,519
been turned into a hairdressers with all of these big

584
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:35,079
windows on. So even if remigration of an immense sort occurs,

585
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:40,320
that problem is still occurring. The IQ decline problem is

586
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,039
still occurring. Dont't thinks it's going to be sort of

587
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:48,639
eighty five IQ average within a century. There is no

588
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,320
slowing that entropy without a sort of miracle coming. To

589
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,880
use a phrase from Martin Heidegger in the last essay

590
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,320
that he published in Despiegel, only I got can say

591
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,840
this now, although there is a god character in the

592
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,639
text that we might want to get into to a

593
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:07,239
certain extent.

594
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,039
Speaker 3: So before we get into that, just several things on

595
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:17,559
what what you just said. There's an interesting alliance I've noticed,

596
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:24,559
and this is a subculture that exists, I think more

597
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:29,280
in my country than yours. But between this sort of

598
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,000
environmentalist is not the right word, but sort of the

599
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:36,679
descendants of hippie culture, right, people who are very concerned about,

600
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,960
you know, the location of their food and the far right.

601
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,920
You know, this is the origin of the the you know,

602
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,039
the crunchy girlfriend, racist boyfriend style meme, which you know,

603
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,440
in my case worked out and I've seen it work

604
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:57,840
you know elsewhere. Just an aside. But I think that

605
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,800
when when I hear you talking about, you know, the

606
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,280
these churches that have sort of been turned into a

607
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,039
best civic architecture and at worst commercial space. I mean,

608
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,280
it reminds me of the American Northeast. You know that

609
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,159
the land of the Puritans, formerly the most religious place

610
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,079
in the nation, now the sort of high seat of

611
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,199
you know, American imperial liberalism. But it's the same story.

612
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,599
You know, you have a few particularly historically notable churches

613
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:32,760
that are museums with a vestigial congregation of fifteen octagenarians

614
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,119
at best. But you know, you go through places like

615
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,480
you know, Martha's Vineyard, a very famous destination for the rich,

616
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:44,719
but there are no churches left. I mean, they're buildings there,

617
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,599
but it is a library, you know, it is an

618
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,880
airbnb or a short term rental, and it's one of

619
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,719
those things where it's like that to me, that culture

620
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,480
seems dead. You know, that there's nothing there other than

621
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,920
just sort of a you know, feeling that this is

622
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,119
a building that should be kept around and even then,

623
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,639
you know, we see how long it lasts. But I

624
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,920
wanted to return to what you were saying about the

625
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,519
sort of the god character. And then I want to

626
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:19,800
put a pin in a discussion of the parental figures

627
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,360
in this novel because it's sort of an interesting I

628
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,920
should not be showing that pen to the camera and

629
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,400
it has a highly specific information on it. But sorry,

630
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,199
but I think that there's an interesting discussion there. But

631
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,800
we'll come back to that after the question of the

632
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:35,920
godlike character.

633
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 6: Oh okay, So that the godlike character is one that

634
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
I think can be introduced whilst dealing with a few

635
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,400
of the other items pins, et cetera that you've put

636
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,079
in the conversation and shouldn't shouldn't show because they contain

637
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:58,159
deleterious personal information. So the god character is called Marine Emery.

638
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,960
And the thing that is interesting about her is she

639
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,519
is She's not a divinity per se. She's not like

640
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,679
a sort of venus goddess or so on. She is

641
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:13,519
a pagan spirit that to a certain extent or another

642
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,079
lives alongside and within Saint Michael's church. And it's worth saying,

643
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,920
as a friend of mine brought up, who's very knowledgeable

644
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,039
after reading the book, that churches in England, but I

645
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:27,840
think also just Anglo countries by and large that are

646
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,119
called Saint Michael's are built in areas with a martial basis.

647
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,960
So that church, I think it's the Carfax Tower in Oxford.

648
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,159
It was erected in I think the ninth century, and

649
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,079
it was erected on the site of a battle. And

650
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:50,199
so you invoke Saint Michael as this protective archon or

651
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,239
military spirit that enables you to succeed against all lads,

652
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,039
I imagine, pushing back the vikings or something like that.

653
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,119
I'll have to look more into that. The thing with

654
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,519
her is okay, she's partly assimilated to the church, but

655
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,360
she's also older, and she lives as an imminent extension

656
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,880
of Anglo Saxon consciousness, meaning that all of these old

657
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,679
people who are lying around and dying in chapter one

658
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,800
faintly recall her, and even more faintly recall her elf

659
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,639
like emissary, but eventually she's completely forgotten. And since we're

660
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:32,280
talking about the vanishing and the emptying of churches, it's

661
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,239
worth suggesting that churches really represent a transcendent form of

662
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,800
ethics and religion. They represent one's potential unification with this

663
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,000
broader metaphysical system. But if you get rid of that,

664
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,199
what seems to happen, at least to my mind. Isn't

665
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:55,320
that spirituality disappears. What happens is spirituality is imminentized. You

666
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,800
can see this with the sort of political theology of

667
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,280
therapy that most young women operate on nowadays, where you know,

668
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,079
a friend of mine was accused of being of being

669
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,719
what was it called a psychopathic narcissist by his ex

670
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,519
girlfriend last night, and all of these vocabularies and little

671
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,840
quacks and priests that you can go to so that

672
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,440
you can repair past trauma and the breakdown of the

673
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,320
mind and the internalization of these outward specters, as if

674
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,840
you know, people had always felt this kind of way

675
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
instead of just going to a congregation. And a side

676
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,880
effect of this imminentization seems to be an authentic revival

677
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,519
of paganism in so far as you think there is

678
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:43,280
an ancestral spirit that is directly tied to me and

679
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,480
that cares about me and has a personal investment with

680
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,880
me that I can contact and I can interact with,

681
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,559
and is doing things around the town. And on the

682
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:58,000
night I'm regurgitating the line roughly of one of the

683
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,840
first sexual results in the town. Call by this mass

684
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,960
influx of predominantly cash Mimurpury immigrants. Marine memory is seen

685
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,320
by the last two people in the town who believe

686
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,400
her at the church with this enormous, famous red halo

687
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:17,760
behind her head, and they can see traces of blood

688
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,440
dripping down the thing. It's as if she is an

689
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:26,800
imminent racial consciousness that has been sleeping for ages, almost

690
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,519
beneath the security of the transcendent morality projected by the church.

691
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,880
But now the church is empty, the church is gone.

692
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,239
People don't really believe in Christ that much anymore. These

693
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,840
genius Loki, these location bound spirits are coming back. And

694
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,639
I obviously won't spoil the ending, but the fact of

695
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,039
one character's being tormented and exploited means, as Robert Bly

696
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:58,719
would say in his Eye in John, that the wound

697
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,960
becomes a gateway to deny. The wound itself operates as

698
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,199
a kind of summoning room for a form of God

699
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,199
or Goddess that did not previously exist and was not required,

700
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,920
but it's going to be activated. And to just sort

701
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,800
of throw in some genetic evidence on top of this,

702
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320
someone like Richard Lynne would say that religion, even if

703
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,440
it's a very new, potent religion that is constructed out

704
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,440
of weird tiktoks like the Agatha thing. For example, there

705
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,360
are many British universities that now have at Garth and societies.

706
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,519
Stress increases religiosity inherently in order to meet the values

707
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,119
of the day. And so I don't necessarily know if

708
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,360
we get out of this with a Christian revival, and

709
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,320
if it's a form of Christianity or be a bizarre

710
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,960
and mutilated form of Christianity with big swords with crosses

711
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,559
on them.

712
00:44:53,719 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 3: One can hope one of the never mind, I'm not

713
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480
going to stay out live on air. But to return

714
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,480
to the book, I try to be careful with you, Britt,

715
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:10,320
because I realized in my case my chances of being

716
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,920
arrested are relatively low. I would feel a little bit

717
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,760
bad if I exposed any of you to that. But

718
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,000
in all seriousness, one of the book sales, what's that?

719
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:25,639
I say, yeah, honestly, and when you return out of

720
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,239
out of prison after being beaten by an Albanian man,

721
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000
I'm sure you would, you know, enjoy the proceeds of

722
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:33,000
the real.

723
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,079
Speaker 6: But sorry, I'd write a book in prison, and then

724
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,519
I would run for prime minister so successfully that no

725
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,159
one dispute me.

726
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,679
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know if the pub putch has quite

727
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,320
the same uh has quite the same kind of value

728
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,000
as a beer hole. But you know, we'll see what

729
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,679
you can do. But uh, there were in my mind

730
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:02,320
sort of three primary parents. Jack's parents are split. We

731
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,360
see his father and his mother. An interesting dynamic, of course,

732
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:12,199
is that his mother is simultaneously seeing the degradation of

733
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:16,920
her town while also being horribly addicted to the television.

734
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,880
There's a particularly poignant moment where she goes to the

735
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,480
local convenience store to try and buy mace, finds out

736
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:29,000
that it is not available. But you know, nonetheless, she

737
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,960
is sort of fed a drip fed, you know, information

738
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:37,159
through television. And actually the role of television and the

739
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,400
screen in this novel is sort of particularly interesting, So

740
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,880
I'd be curious to get your thoughts on that. And

741
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,599
then also, you know, while we're talking about other parents,

742
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,039
you have you know, Jack's father, who is you know,

743
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,519
this sort of sad alcoholic. But nonetheless, you know, we

744
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,440
see a very interesting dynamic where his his ex wife

745
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,760
has been hiding the fact that their son is being

746
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,480
drugged from him, and of course is to kind of

747
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:09,880
finish out the the kind of sorry as you can tell,

748
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,840
then it's it's been a rough gold days. But you

749
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,400
have you know, Agatha's mother, you kind of the who

750
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,480
is it? A very different archetype to put it mildly.

751
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,559
So first of all, I'd like to get your opinion

752
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,920
on the screen. You know, Jack has a series of

753
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,880
very dramatic visions where we see this as sort of

754
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,960
a chimera. To get your thoughts on that, and then

755
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:33,880
also his relationship with his own mother.

756
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:39,199
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll start with the screen thing. An alternative title

757
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,440
for the thing before I came up with Bothleford's Gone,

758
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:45,880
which refers to this particular town and settlement that is

759
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,639
mentioned in the Doomsday Book ten sixty six, now Doomsday

760
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:55,159
Book which no longer exists, and this phrase that I've

761
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:57,079
heard not only from my own relatives, but from one

762
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,239
of more Goth's essays about the Grooming Gangs that is

763
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,880
called Arml Cultural Reactor five, which compares the Breman gangs

764
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,039
with Chernobyl. It's a phrase that people utter when they're

765
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:11,079
trying to arrive at a direct description of the political

766
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:15,000
scenarios before them and the demographic scenarios in particular. But

767
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,480
then this internal censorship mechanism takes over. Someone will say, oh,

768
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,519
the West End's gone, Birmingham's gone, that my whole street

769
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,480
in Manchester it's gone now. And then you'll say what

770
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,760
does that mean? And they will not have the language

771
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,159
to get back to you on that. They will just

772
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:38,039
short circuit. And this is why, really the main villain

773
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,960
in the thing is not a human being. It is

774
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,119
this creature that I refer to as the Khmeira, and

775
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,559
it's this entity that I've based off of this very

776
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:52,800
interesting Etruscan sculpture that I encountered on the Internet once,

777
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:59,159
and also kind of on the character of the entertainment

778
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,159
in David foster w us infinite jest. There's a difference

779
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,320
between the screen of the computer or the screen of

780
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,199
the phone or the screen as you're you know, looking

781
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:13,960
at Thomas seven seven seven's posts on nineties usenet and

782
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:20,000
the television. The television in particular is demonic because it

783
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:24,280
is an information pipe that generations who are used to

784
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,159
the idea that it is completely you know, it's completely

785
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:34,239
beyond criticism, are just taken by they're completely absorbed by

786
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,800
it and they cannot be broken out of it. Whereas

787
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,239
you could see the smartphone, social media and so on,

788
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,840
especially post Jack Dorsey as the television being broken up

789
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,559
into all of these different competitive screens, which means there

790
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:52,039
is far more narrative creative destruction. There is far more

791
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,800
individuality and the ability to get a sort of general

792
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,719
idea of what's actually happening before you. So it is

793
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,360
because of the power projection of the television and broadly

794
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,280
the bourgeois class that controls it, to the upper elite

795
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,320
bourgeois class that is used like an alien tractor beam

796
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:20,239
to make things invisible in the town. Oh well, I

797
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,039
don't want to point that out. That would make me

798
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,920
like Enoch Powell. That's a sentiment that Jack's mother has,

799
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,920
and it's a sentiment that I've encountered, I don't know,

800
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,280
pretty much every other day of my life with people

801
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,800
who are above a certain age, usually older than millennials,

802
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,679
and they are permanently fucked by this thing. They are

803
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,639
never going to be fixed in these terms, and it

804
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,119
is it is something that makes people evil. William Darrylnple,

805
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,800
when he was talking about some aspects of the Soviet Union,

806
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,840
mentioned that mentioned that they almost want you to buy

807
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,960
into the ideology as such so that the excesses are

808
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,360
things that you'll tolerate. Or maybe your village tax man

809
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,960
has been gotten rid of and you're very happy because

810
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,000
you no longer have to sacrifice fifty percent of your

811
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:14,519
vegetable patch in order to appease him. The same thing

812
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:18,000
is true with all of the endless hypnotic entertainments of

813
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:23,199
the screen, or the kimera who has kind of a

814
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,159
mind of its own. I used the phrase genius loci

815
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,800
earlier to describe a spirit that is a real spirit

816
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,760
that lives within the English and is waiting to be

817
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,400
summoned up marine emory. You could describe, using sort of

818
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,519
modern esoteric terminology, the Khmera as an eggregore. It is

819
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,599
a being that wouldn't exist on its own, but it's

820
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:48,360
sort of technologically superimposed over whole hills and vales of

821
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,519
the country, and done so on an international basis. There

822
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,440
was a conversation tangentially related to this that I had

823
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,239
with someone who was literally called tag Beer meaning I

824
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,679
think holy war, and he was surprised how much I

825
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,360
knew about your party in Palestine and so on. But

826
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,519
his entire legal PhD is on getting reparations from the Europeans,

827
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,199
and the way that he described it was he wanted

828
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,079
to take the de Narti vacation program that was imposed

829
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,039
by the American Empire and the Soviets in the aftermath

830
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,559
of the Second World War in order to just break

831
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,880
the people by showing them this footage, this edited footage,

832
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,119
again and again and again and drilling down into them

833
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,519
like that. And he called this mind rape. He said

834
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:36,159
he wanted to do that to the British and there

835
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:37,920
was evidence that it worked, and if you had to

836
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,639
get rid of social media and get rid of computer

837
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:42,360
screens in order to do that, that would be great.

838
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,360
And I asked him if he had any sort of

839
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,440
particular hang ups with the British people, and he said, no,

840
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:50,440
I just want to do what's right. That is what

841
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:54,159
the Khmera is. The camera is, in effect, the technological

842
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:59,760
mind fuckery that occurs before you know, your average sort

843
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,599
of Kistani gruma named Mohammad Kara or something, it's a

844
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:07,920
real name, gains this invisibility cloak over him and then

845
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,199
goes and perpetuates some of the worst crimes we've seen

846
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:15,239
in this country since before the medieval period. As for

847
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:20,639
the parents, I think I'll get started on Agatha's mother,

848
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,159
because she's the one that I think has haunted me

849
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,920
the most since I produced her. I don't really consider

850
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,960
this spoiler. She's an only fans for she does these

851
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,000
only fans videos, and this has a connection with the gang,

852
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,800
and she's leaning into this sort of thing because she's

853
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,679
grieving the fact that her husband was murdered by this

854
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,199
Albanian and her father's a former policeman. Now, not only if

855
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,920
one consults one's working class friends who live in similar

856
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,039
situations to these, and there are hundreds of thousands who do,

857
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,599
but if you look at the Small Catechism of Martin

858
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,360
Luther and you look at how important the figure of

859
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,880
the patriarch in the family is treated at He's treated

860
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,480
as the priest of the family who's responsible for all

861
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,920
of these individuals, and also the history of Lutheranism within

862
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:11,199
particular zones of Germany. What you work out is, in

863
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,360
functioning working class families and kinship networks, there is almost

864
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,440
always one big man who is the lynchpin of the

865
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,239
whole operation, and as soon as he's gone, as was

866
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:28,159
the case in my friend Tom's situation, everything collapses. Everything

867
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,719
becomes immediate gratification, how do I fulfill my passions? How

868
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,800
do I get stimulus checks from the government. And that's

869
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,519
precisely what happens with Agatha and her grieving mother, who

870
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:43,719
already mean that they're not upper middle class girls, either

871
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,880
her or her mother. They already have these tendencies toward

872
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,800
self destruction since their class was basically cut up during

873
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,199
the Thatcher era and a bit before. So what they're

874
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:59,320
doing is like a more extreme, multiculturalized version of the

875
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,719
tendencies they were having before, losing the father in the family,

876
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,119
losing the household. And I regard this to a certain

877
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,159
extent sympathetically, and to a certain extent not. There is

878
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,280
this very interesting sketch by Hogarth which is called a

879
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,480
whores Progress, which Jane Austen actually references in a few

880
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,320
of her letters, and it shows this great, big woman

881
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,039
who is giving this poor girl all this beer in

882
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,559
order to get addicted to alcohol and then she can

883
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:31,159
prostitute this poor girl. App there are these women who

884
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,679
were involved in Rotherhain, and they were white English women

885
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,199
who looked exactly like the woman giving the beer, the

886
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:42,440
big old woman doing that, and they loved the feeling

887
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,880
of power of having these young girls and their sexuality

888
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,239
under their command, and they were expected, one of them

889
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,920
said before she was arrested, to earn their keep. So

890
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,039
it's not just that the grim In gangs are awful

891
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,559
in their own right. They play on the worst aspects

892
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,360
of the British population that are latently narcissistic and psychopathic anyway,

893
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,480
and that's exactly what happens with missus Alice Darger, who

894
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,079
is lost in her own world, and hence the evocation

895
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:16,639
of Lewis Carroll. As for Jack's father and mother, the

896
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:20,199
mother's a sort of posh Tory type who wants to

897
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,480
do the good thing, even though she has the right instincts.

898
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,199
You mentioned Mace. Mace's is banned in this country now,

899
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,079
at least, so unable to defend herself, horrified by what's happening.

900
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,039
The father is this very pretentious liberal type who likes

901
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,440
reading Philip Larkin, and I think that's basically then.

902
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: The moment with Mace is an interesting one. Are you

903
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,199
familiar with Johan Kers, Yes, i am.

904
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 7: I met him.

905
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm jealous. He's a very talented writer. But in

906
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,920
one of the interviews he did promoting his book, which

907
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,280
is quite good. I think he've now referenced it twice

908
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,679
in one week, so you should pick it up if

909
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:11,559
you're interested. But he was speaking about a very dramatic

910
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,920
incident when he was still living in England, where in

911
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,400
a very well to do historic neighborhood, there was a

912
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,360
you know, an afghanman sleeping on his doorstep. He asks

913
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,360
him to leave so that his wife and children can

914
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:30,239
go about their business. This devolves into, you know, sort

915
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:34,360
of a shoving match, and eventually, you know, the men

916
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,599
are scared off. And as the solution or as the

917
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,880
the situation subsides, he sees this older man sort of

918
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,320
peering out around a corner and he says, oh, I

919
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,440
would have had your back, and he reaches into his

920
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,559
coat and he grabs a pressurized can of spray paint,

921
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,880
you know, to mark the offender so that when you know,

922
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,880
had things gone differently, if Johan was beheaded, at least

923
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,800
the police would have been able to identify the man

924
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,679
because he had yellow spray paint on his jacket. And

925
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:11,519
this is something that you know, who less sympathetic Americans

926
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,119
will use as in jokes, right, They'll they'll make fun

927
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:21,840
of you know, you Brits and you know, for a

928
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,440
certain level you can sort of understand why, but very fundamentally,

929
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,639
like this is an egregious wrong done to you and

930
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,719
your people. The idea that even the most passive form

931
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,960
of self defense like an irritant, you know, which I mean,

932
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,199
at someone who's been exposed to it. It's certainly not pleasant,

933
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,079
but it is entirely survivable. We make every soldier in

934
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,159
this country experience it and they don't all die. You know,

935
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:51,880
it's not blasting them with a blunderbuss or something taken

936
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,079
off the table. I mean, it's completely totally absurd. Obviously

937
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:59,639
it's not your fault. Clearly, you know, your politicians don't

938
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:03,440
listen to you know, what what you people want, but

939
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,800
it does sort of you know, that was a very

940
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,719
poignant example both from you know, Johan's experience and also

941
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,320
in the novel because additionally, and I don't remember the

942
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,280
you know, the ethnicity of the the shopkeeper, but that

943
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,719
is another dynamic throughout the book where we see Jack

944
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,519
continually going to stores, you know, going to the kind

945
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,079
of third places, you know, where you would get you know,

946
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,039
a bottle of water, where you would buy pepper spray,

947
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:35,880
in another country, and they're always staffed by hostile and

948
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,239
resentful ethnic minorities. There's a scene where h Jack has

949
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,719
been been drinking and he goes in for a bottle,

950
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gets overcharged, pays the white tax, goes in again, buys

951
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,920
another one at a discounted rate. And that's a very

952
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,280
minor moment, you know, it's on a pivotal turning point,

953
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:56,719
but it does show I think something, you know, very

954
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,840
dramatic that even those obviously that direct way to protect

955
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,679
yourself is off the board, but also these very minor

956
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,320
interactions you know, shop as you know, buying a bottle

957
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,760
of water when you're hungover, or you know, going to

958
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:18,440
you know, provide groceries have been turned into effectively hostile

959
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,800
ethnic shakedowns.

960
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 6: On this, I think it's worth talking a bit about

961
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:29,559
the self defense thing, because most Americans don't realize that

962
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,480
we had guns until the dun Blaine massacre. And then

963
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,559
because we have a sovereign parliament, which is generally a

964
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,400
good thing in terms of you know, trying to recover

965
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,239
the country and so far as it can be recovered,

966
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,679
they just decided to get rid of all the guns,

967
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,920
and that that was universally accepted at the time because

968
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,119
of how bad this guy going in and killing all

969
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:53,360
of these children in I think a preschool happened to

970
01:00:53,360 --> 01:01:00,960
be in a nursery. Beyond that, self defense is directly

971
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:05,119
discouraged from the top down via the education system. I

972
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:07,480
used to get in lots of fights at school, and

973
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,679
every time that I fought back, because I was not

974
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,320
regarded as an endemically messed up problem child, I got

975
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:20,239
worse punishments than the kids. For instance, there was one

976
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:23,199
who was sent to our school from another school because

977
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:25,639
I went to a sort of poor grammar school, and

978
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:27,800
we were meant to reform him. He brought knives to

979
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,519
his other schools frequently, and then he would fall asleep

980
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:32,880
at the front of our history classes. And yet we

981
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,519
got it when we got in a scuffle. I was

982
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:37,719
meant to take the blame for all of these things.

983
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,079
You are not allowed to defend yourself whatsoever. And there

984
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,599
is legal case after legal case of people entering British

985
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,559
people's property and then British people trying to defend themselves.

986
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,199
For instance, there's one guy in the woods who was

987
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:54,599
a bit of a crazy bloke who had all these

988
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:58,760
bear traps and so on guys broke in there, he

989
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,440
shot them and then he was thrown in prison. That's

990
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:06,760
the basis for the attitude that you see disseminated among

991
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:11,159
the British by and you know inclusively the English, the Scottish,

992
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:15,679
the Wealth and the Northern Irish. Unless you're someone who

993
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,320
has already been to prison and is consequently not afraid

994
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,320
of this sort of thing, because you've already been humiliated,

995
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,199
you've been sort of painted badly with the brush of

996
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:27,639
being on the wrong side of the law, you are

997
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,599
going to be terrified about this kind of thing. And

998
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:34,159
given how sensitive the middle class or bourgeoisie in our

999
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,719
country is to being associated with the likes of Tommy

1000
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,800
Robinson or anyone like that, you know, people that they're

1001
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,679
trying to escape because they're actually biologically connected to those individuals,

1002
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,719
nothing is going to happen. The other part of this

1003
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:56,000
that is historically worth addressing is the National Front, mainly

1004
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,920
in the seventies and eighties, became such a big four

1005
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:03,400
in British politics, or at least a big enough force

1006
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,280
that the McPherson report, I believe it was decided that

1007
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,880
they had to be quashed and ruined. This is a

1008
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,320
party that was established by GK. Chesterton's cousin called AK Chesterton.

1009
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,239
A wonderful nickname to him would be Ak forty seven

1010
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,440
Chesterton that I don't think he heard it. What the

1011
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,360
crushing of these movements and the implementation of Frank Soscus's

1012
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,239
free speech laws materially did in the country is they

1013
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,519
broke up the system of antibodies that existed within the

1014
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,760
working class. They just humiliated those people. They trod all

1015
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,199
over them. They prevented them from organizing under ethnic banners,

1016
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:45,840
having uniforms, or anything along those lines. And because of

1017
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,800
on the one hand, that and the fact of our

1018
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,880
self defense laws, and also the class dynamics that are

1019
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,239
so present here that aren't present in the United States.

1020
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,880
When you see someone of a different ethnicity, who is

1021
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,280
who has protected characteristics, as they say, attack someone indigenous,

1022
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:09,639
there is a very high chance the average individual is

1023
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:12,760
just going to walk away, walk away or ask if

1024
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,559
everyone's okay, rather than getting involved. I mean, it angers

1025
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:18,559
me every time I see something like this, because I

1026
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:19,880
know I'm going to see it more.

1027
01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: And it's it's one of the most it's one of

1028
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:31,119
the most sinister things because each one of these these trends,

1029
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:35,440
you know, whether it is the pacification through you know,

1030
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,920
pourn and weed in video games, or the direct chemical pacification,

1031
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,360
the sort of therapeutic conflict resolution, you know, that system

1032
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:50,519
of effectively you know, talking everything out, maintaining a very

1033
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,480
non threatening posture, and then obviously with self defense as well.

1034
01:04:54,519 --> 01:05:02,079
As it is it is punishing bridge and rewarding passivity.

1035
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:06,480
That is the trait being selected for. And you see

1036
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:10,159
this in you know, the academic world, right that you

1037
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:14,000
were effectively best served by going with the program as

1038
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,440
much as you possibly can. You know, if you can

1039
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,000
publish a good bit that's helpful, but don't say anything

1040
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:23,679
controversial in the slightest and to your sort of returning

1041
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,760
to you know, the kind of pairing of Fauna and Jack.

1042
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:32,199
It is sort of this interesting choice that must be

1043
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:38,880
made effectively. Will you accept the programming or will you

1044
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,800
accept that you are resigning from polite society, that you

1045
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,960
will no longer receive the benefit of being aligned with

1046
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:52,440
the system. And I think that this was a more

1047
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:58,199
prominent conversation in the US during COVID A word I

1048
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:00,760
probably shouldn't have said on YouTube, but go with it anyway.

1049
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,320
For instance, I have a very distinct memory of helping

1050
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,719
one of my friends move and my roommate at the time,

1051
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,639
long term friend. We were helping him, you know, up

1052
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:15,639
on the roof, patching something, both of us at you know,

1053
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,519
good universities, pursuing our degrees. And it was right when

1054
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,639
you know the message that Biden said you weren't allowed

1055
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:26,119
to get a job at a company of above a

1056
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:28,800
certain size without a medical treatment, and had a very

1057
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,519
frank conversation that like are we roofers now? Like is

1058
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:36,920
this our life? Because you know that seemingly was the position,

1059
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,039
and as that has retreated from memory, I think many

1060
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:45,159
people have forgotten that effectively, there is no third option.

1061
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:51,599
You cannot both receive praise from the machine and work

1062
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:57,159
to oppose it. It's pretty basic. And obviously, as you said,

1063
01:06:57,199 --> 01:07:02,679
class dynamics are different between my country and uh they're

1064
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,760
much more implicit here, They're much less kind of It's

1065
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,639
messier for any number of reasons. Demographic reasons is a

1066
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:15,360
large part of that too. But when I interact with

1067
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:21,280
middle class British people, by and large, I see people

1068
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,639
who are completely and totally controlled by social status, and

1069
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:30,960
particularly controlled by social status as regards the gamut right,

1070
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,800
the evil racist rule, or the evil racist working class,

1071
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:38,639
the Chuds, as we would say, here are the rednecks.

1072
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:43,880
And it's a it's very strikingly expressed in your book, Edward.

1073
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 6: We think about how I can deal with that. I

1074
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:52,679
might I might have mentioned this last time, but it

1075
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,719
is quite simply amazing. And one can see this in

1076
01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:58,440
some of Adam Curtis's documentaries on the period, which are

1077
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:04,239
all very good. How much the experience of upper middle

1078
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,360
class people in the seventies and eighties trying to act

1079
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:10,719
for the benefit of working class people and going out

1080
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,440
with their little leaflets and forms before being confronted with

1081
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:20,479
the reality of Bez the Gammon shook them. It completely

1082
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,560
traumatized them, and it made them want to have a

1083
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,479
global proletariat as opposed to a local proletariat. They could

1084
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,000
still fulfill their dreams of, you know, post Christian humanism

1085
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,359
in the tradition of William Wilberforce, as I mentioned before,

1086
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,960
or you have to you don't actually have to fix

1087
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,159
your soul. What you have to do is do political things.

1088
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:44,359
Now that is a bit unfair on Wilberforce, but there

1089
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:51,199
are certain of his fans that took that message from him. Yeah,

1090
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,600
they feel that they have this no bless so believe

1091
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,960
they have this role that is necessary to make them

1092
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,279
navigate society in the right direction. And yet as soon

1093
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,159
as they see the elements that they're expected to handle directly,

1094
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,760
they do what Yavin would call the Missus Jellybee thing

1095
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,079
and they start giving more money to people in the

1096
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:12,359
East Indies than the starving children that directly surround them

1097
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,760
in their own streets. In terms of how this can

1098
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,039
be counteracted, I don't think it's something that the English

1099
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:21,239
can do on their own. And I think it is

1100
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:25,479
very notable that a lot of the people that I

1101
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,760
know in Restore Britain are either Catholic converts or they're

1102
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,560
partly Scottish or something, And there are lots of these

1103
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,760
figures within British sort of fringe politics who are not

1104
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,439
completely British. Nima Pavini is a good one. I mentioned

1105
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,600
him earlier. Half Iranian. There is a radicalism that insists

1106
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,880
upon itself within the British context that is not purely English.

1107
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,720
Much in the same way that if you look at

1108
01:09:53,720 --> 01:10:00,279
the example of Finland, you know, highest average IQ in Europe.

1109
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,880
I think it's one hundred and seven. Yet all of

1110
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,399
their elites, or most of their elites, they're disproportionately Swedish.

1111
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,600
They're Swedish fins. And this is because despite the IQ thing,

1112
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,279
Finn sorry of Swedes, tend to have a higher general

1113
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:19,399
factor of personality, so they're going to be more charming,

1114
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:21,439
They're going to be more charismatic in one way or another.

1115
01:10:22,039 --> 01:10:26,359
So I don't really think these dynamics play out with

1116
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,560
the English helping and fixing themselves. I think there are

1117
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,279
some additional things. Obviously, I'm half Scottish, so I'm also

1118
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:35,920
you know, tooting my own horn very quietly as I

1119
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,359
do this. But to this end, I think it's fascinating

1120
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,000
that Blair's cabinet when it came in and was so revolutionary,

1121
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:49,800
it was disproportionately Scottish. It was not English. And there

1122
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,000
is a radicalism in the Scottish character that needs to

1123
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,640
be adhered to and respected to a certain extent, meaning

1124
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,960
that even if you know you're in a very nice

1125
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000
area of Edinburgh and Scotland is so nice in comparison

1126
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,119
with England, especially Edinburgh, you will find crazies. You will

1127
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:09,079
find organic gin who is this nutty homeless man who

1128
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:13,199
is a former heir of this fortune, asking you if

1129
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,439
you want to see his organic moves before doing some

1130
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,840
of the most explicive dancing you'll ever perceive. And another

1131
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,680
one called the Edinburgh Barbarian, who is this jacked ruder,

1132
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,960
also from a wealthy family, who just records himself on

1133
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,000
a shitty little TikTok iPhone whilst posing and frightening girls

1134
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,960
to talk about the power of humanity. All of these

1135
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,159
forces can be wielded in a positive direction. But I

1136
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:38,680
don't think the middle class English are going to be

1137
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,279
able to help themselves. They are going to vote Libden

1138
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,760
with their Davy and maybe they're dissatisfied. Transgendered children will

1139
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,159
sidle in with the Greens. And Zack Polanski who has

1140
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:55,119
a skull that looks like it could consume infants like Harribo.

1141
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: Is you Scottish Edward?

1142
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 6: I don't think he is. I think his ancestor might

1143
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,439
be that wonderful filmmaker Roman who people don't like for

1144
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:07,920
some reason.

1145
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 3: Well, in all seriousness, this book is quite good. I

1146
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,319
recommend you all pick up a copy of it. I'll

1147
01:12:16,319 --> 01:12:20,800
put the correct links and the description. I only put

1148
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,840
the UK Store last time. So I bought this book

1149
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,039
from England. Took quite a long time to get here,

1150
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,720
but turns out you can get it on regular American

1151
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:34,039
websites and it won't take weeks to get here. Ed.

1152
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,319
Other than that, where can people find you?

1153
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 6: I'm at Anglican Gonzo on Twitter. You can find the

1154
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,600
book I Guess on old Speak and Amazon. In terms

1155
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,079
of where my location is, I hope I haven't made

1156
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:51,960
it too evident and if anyone wants to contact me,

1157
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,079
I will be in the ether.

1158
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,399
Speaker 3: Fair enough. As far as my stuff, Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

1159
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,600
anywhere you listen to podcasts, this is what I do.

1160
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,239
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1161
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,159
you can do so at Patreon, Substack, or gumbro. Get

1162
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:10,319
the episodes early with no ads. It's probably worth it.

1163
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:14,239
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1164
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,680
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1165
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,640
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1171
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:41,560
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1172
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,279
can't last forever.

1173
01:13:42,439 --> 01:14:05,960
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1174
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,000
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1175
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:17,760
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1176
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:18,840
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1177
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,359
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1178
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1179
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1180
01:14:26,199 --> 01:14:29,760
going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion.

1181
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,800
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