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insider knowledge as to what the identity of the Cincinnati

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Bearcats team is and what they're motivated by. As they

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welcome in the BYU Cougars and BYU's won all three

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of the matchups. Is the fourth and they get them

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at home so they can knock off a team play spoiler.

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Speaker 1: Are they motivated? And you know, are they healthy?

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Speaker 2: Are they healthy enough to knock off a b YU

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team that's rolling pretty good coming off a big win

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the hotline and welcome in Dan Horde, the voice of

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the Cincinnati Bearcats.

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Speaker 1: Dan, how you.

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Speaker 3: Doing, Ben, I'm great, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, a pleasure of blessing to talk some ball with you.

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How would you describe the season of the bear Cat?

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Does far.

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Speaker 3: Well? Good? But disappointing the last couple of games. They

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went from seven to one to seven and three. Last

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year they were five and two and didn't win another game.

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So they're trying to avoid another end of season swoon,

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at least this year. With seven wins, they know they're

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going to a ballgame, but I think this Saturday night

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they're determined to show, you know what, we're more like

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the team that was seven and one than like the

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team that's dropped to in a row.

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Speaker 2: How would you describe the culture of the Cincinnati Bearcats

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locker room led by coach Scott Saderfield?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How many years has he been there now?

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Speaker 2: And what type of culture has he built in order

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to keep this team on track?

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Speaker 3: Cheer three for Scott Saderfield, and I would say the

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culture might be the biggest strength this team has, not

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just because of him, but because they have tremendous senior leadership.

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They have two three time captains, one on each side

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of the ball that time, the all time Cincinnati record

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for most captainships. Gavin Gerhart, their starting center who's approaching

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fifty career starts. He's a three year captain. Their nose tackle,

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Dante the Godfather Corleone, one of the best nicknames in

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college football. He's a three time captain. So those two

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guys really lead the way. It's one of the biggest

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reasons why they have gone from a team that struggled

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in year one in the Big Twelve two years ago

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to one that is at least still mathematically alive in

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the shot at going to the Big Twelve championship game.

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They would need a lot of help to get there,

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and obviously they would need to win against BYU on

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Saturday night, but the simple fact that they're still in

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the hunt with two games left in the regular season

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is a good sign for where this program is going

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new coming.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me take a step back.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati was once upon a time a power part of

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a power conference. They were relegated to non power conference.

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I remember when we were looking at the new Big Twelve,

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it was Cincinnati, you know, BYUUCF, these new kids on

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the block, etc. And if you look at the wins

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and losses and the impact that they'd had over the

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previous decade, they were very similar in resume. They quite

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honestly were some maybe had higher peaks than others at

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certain times, but they were all pretty similar. How do

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you feel that Cincinnati's made the transition comparative to their

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counterparts thus far in the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 3: Well, the tough part for Cincinnati is that they moved

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into the Big Twelve the same year that they had

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a coaching change. Had Luke Fickle stayed and not gone

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to Wisconsin where obviously he's had some hard times there,

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but he really had it going at Cincinnati, there would

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not have been such a big drop off when they

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moved to the Big Twelve. But when you ever have

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whenever you have a coaching change, and this day and age,

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with a wide open transfer portal, it's really hard to

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keep guys on the roster, and that's what happened at Cincinnati.

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So they took a step backward. Now they're back on

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the climb. I'll say this, whatever league Cincinnati has been

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in in the past, within a relatively short period of time,

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they're one of the better teams. And I think that's

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happening in the Big Twelve. There's tremendous high school football

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in the state of Ohio. It's not California, it's not Texas,

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it's not Florida, but it's probably fourth on the list

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for the most talent in any state. So Cincinnati has

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that advantage when it comes to recruiting. And again, whatever

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league the Bearcats have been in, eventually they've become one

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of the better teams of the league. Not necessarily the best.

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be the premier program in this league. But I do

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think Cincinnati is going to likely be one of the

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better teams consistently going forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know Houston too. You know, Houston, you

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know has done well. They've definitely had their ups and

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downs in the transition. But these new kids on the

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blocks that didn't necessarily have all the resources that the

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other programs have had for so long to create a

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new competitive and I think they're they're very competitive, right,

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prominence in the within the power structure Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're just gonna say, with with all due respect

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to Houston, Houston does not have anything close to the

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recent history that Cincinnati has in college football. Now, to

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their credit, they're having a good year under Willie Fritz

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and Houston is in Texas, so there's a lot of

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talent there. But I do think the big difference between

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the two programs is that Houston, for whatever reason, just

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doesn't seem to have moved the needle in fan interest

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in Houston. If you look at their games now, there

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there always seems to be a lot of empty seats

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at their games. Cincinnati was in the fourteen College Football

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Playoff four years ago. Yep. So this program has been

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at a much higher level than Houston, certainly in the

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last ten to twenty years.

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Speaker 1: No no doubt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, when I was evaluating these

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teams b YU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati from a total

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wins losses standpoint, they were pretty similar by resume when

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they were getting invited, is what I was getting at.

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Speaker 1: They've had you know, double digit win seasons.

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Speaker 2: I think in they had a thirteen win season, a

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ten win season, ten win season.

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Speaker 1: The twelve win season.

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Speaker 2: They've been respectable, is what I'm getting That's why they

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got the invite. And so I think Cincinnati, though, was

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one of the favorites to be at the top of

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the food chain and make the biggest impact when they

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made the transition back to the power for structure, and

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I think we're seeing that right now.

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Speaker 3: I would agree with that. Cincinnati since two thousand and

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eight has played in the Orange, Sugar, Cotton, and Peach Bowls.

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twenty twenty one, the only team outside of the then

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Power five to do it. So this is a football

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program that has had its ups and downs, largely when

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they've had coaching changes, they take a little step back

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before they're good again. But if you go back to

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when Mark D'Antonio was the head coach in the mid

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two thousands, that's really when Cincinnati started to climb, and

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by and large it's been a very successful program ever since.

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Speaker 2: How would you describe the nil offering right now within

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the Cincinnati program and the resources that are being allocated

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to the athletic department in order to stay competitive in

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the modern era.

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Speaker 3: Certainly not at the top of the pyramid in the

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Big twelve, and that's going to be a challenge going forward.

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I don't know that Cincinnati will ever be one of

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the biggest spenders in the Big twelve. But they're spending enough.

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They've got really good players on the roster that they've

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been able to retain, and they just moved into a

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palatial football facility, the Shakeley Indoor Practice Facility. I've talked

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to a lot of NFL scouts that have come through

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Cincinnati since the building opened. They say it's the best

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they've been to. So in this day and age, I

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don't know if that moves the needle as much as

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it once did back in the normal recruiting days, when

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it was about relationships and facilities and wins and losses

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and fan support. I think something like that would have

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made a gigantic difference. Now the number one thing seems

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to be nil in many instances, so you have to

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be competitive in that area, but every little bit helps.

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Then they do have a magnificent facility now to train in, practice,

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in hang out, in et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel I don't know how many active players

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Cincinnati has in the NFL, but I know they've done

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a pretty good job of developing NFL talent.

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Speaker 1: How does that outlook?

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Speaker 2: What's that perspective there on development and attracting NFL talent?

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Speaker 1: And putting them in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been really good. So Travis Kelcey, Jason kelce

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before retired, Sauce Gardner. They've got some problem in players

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in the NFL that are among the best at their position.

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the twenty twenty season, twenty twenty one season, so the

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twenty twenty two draft, they had nine players selected. They

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were among the most of any team in college football

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that year. So that definitely helps. I think high school

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players want to, oh, can you help me reach my

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ultimate goal and get to the NFL. And every time

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a Bearcat has success on Sunday, that helps.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Let's pivot over to this game BYU versus Cincinnati. BYU's

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three and zero against the Bearcats all time. But the Bearcats,

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I think are built a little bit different than those

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three other teams that Bay you've played in the past,

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and it's going to be a competitive one at Nippert Stadium.

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Give me a little breakdown of maybe the current health

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status of the Cincinnati Bearcats team and what they're looking

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to maybe execute on the field at home this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Getting healthier, that's the good news from Cincinnati's perspective, they

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have not had one of their two best running backs

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in the last two weeks, Evan Pryor. I think he

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is back on Saturday Night. They did not have their

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fastest wide receiver last week, Caleb Goodie, who's among the

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fastest in the country. He is definitely back on Saturday Night.

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be one of the best defensive tackles in the country,

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but he hurt his ankle in week two or three,

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I can't remember which, but he missed a few weeks

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and frankly has not been dominant for the most part since.

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better and feel better. Then they had a bye. He

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was even healthier last week. So I think there's a

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chance that Byu is going to have to deal with

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Dante Corleone at his most dominant, which would definitely help

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the Cincinnati defense. If you look at this team this year,

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it's been great on offense, it's been okay on defense,

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opportunistic on defense. They get stops in the red zone.

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have as many interceptions as they would like, but the

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offense for the most part has been exceptional. Now last

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couple of weeks it hasn't been quite as good. Brendan

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Sorosby has thrown a few picks. Utah was able to

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get a lot of pressure on him in that game

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a few weeks ago. I'm sure BYU will try to

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on Saturday night. But for the season, it's been one

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of the better offensive teams in the country, certainly one

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of the most efficient.

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Speaker 2: It's led by a fantastic quarterback, a fantastic leader, a

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captain of men.

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Speaker 1: And what do you expect from him in this game?

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Speaker 2: Do you think he bounces back from these two losses

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and can lead the Bearcats to victory over the Cougar

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is a highly ranked B WHATYU Cougar football team?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly capable of it. Brendan Sorosby's had a

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great year. I think there was a stretch there where

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he was climbing on NFL draft boards to the point

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that maybe he was being considered as a Day two pick.

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I think his draft stock has taken a shot a

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bit over the last couple of weeks, and maybe that's

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good for Cincinnati because he does have a year of

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eligibility left and they would love to have him back.

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But he's a really good player, and he's a true

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dual threat quarterback, much like bear Bachmeyer. He's capable of

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running and throwing. He's had exceptional games of doing either

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or both, and they're going to have to count on

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him to have a big game to have a chance

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against BYU. It's an excellent opponent. So Brendan Soresby can't

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have the type of game that he had last week

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where he threw a couple of bad picks. Do that

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against BYU and you're not going to win.

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Speaker 2: How would you evaluate and great out the trench warfare

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battles that Cincinnati has.

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Speaker 1: Been combating with.

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Speaker 2: Right, How good is this offensive and defensive line for

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the Bearcats? Can they win the line of scrimmage versus

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the BWAYU Cougars.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the best offensive lines in the country.

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Cincinnati has only surrendered three sacks all year, and they

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face some really good defensive lines in the Big Twelve,

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So that's one of the reasons why the offense has

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been so efficient. The offensive line is outstanding. The defensive line.

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I would not describe as outstanding. It's solid. If Dante

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Corleone can be his dominant self like he was prior

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to the ankle injury, that would help a lot. I

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think they've got some decent players on the defensive line.

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Jalen Hunt is a decent player. Micah Coleman coming back

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from an achilles injury, hasn't had a great year, but

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he looked great last week. He had two and a

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half tackles for loss in a sack. So they've got

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some decent players on the defensive line. But if you're

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comparing the two units, the offensive line as far superior

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to the defensive line, what.

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Speaker 2: Would you say are the weaknesses of this team? If

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it has any I don't know if it has any

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glaring weaknesses.

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Speaker 3: I would say the most questionable unit on the team

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is probably the secondary, and I would say the cornerbacks

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in particular. I don't want that to sound like they're bad.

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They're not bad. But if you had to pick out

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one unit that you would say, all right, that's maybe

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the most questionable unit on the team. I would probably

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start with the cornerbacks. They've got good speed at the position,

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they don't have good size at the position, so that's

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been an issue. At times. They've been flagged for a

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pretty high number of defensive pass interference or defensive holding penalties.

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So again, not a glaring weakness. I think they're okay there,

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but in comparison to the other position groups, that's probably

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the one that's been the most up and.

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Speaker 1: Down from a scouting report standpoint.

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Speaker 2: I know you've interacted with players and coaches this week.

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What have they said about this BYU team that's coming in,

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you know, to take on a Bearcats team that is

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maybe licking its wounds over the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: I would say two things get brought up over and

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over again as I've talked to Cincinnati players and coaches.

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Number One, DYU doesn't beat itself, which I think is

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a real compliment when it comes out of the mouth

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of a coach in particular, coaches always always respect teams

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that you know, don't make the type of self inflicted

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wounds that cost you games, and BYU by and large

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has not done that. Secondly, everybody's talking about the physicality,

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so DYU has exceptional offensive and defensive lines. That's definitely

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a concern for Cincinnati in this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's UH.

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Speaker 2: It's something that I think by U has prided itself

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in not turning the ball over and hopefully taking the

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ball away. The turnover margin battles have been the majority

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of them won by b YU this UH.

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Speaker 1: This year.

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Speaker 2: How has Cincinnati been at protecting the football this season

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and taking away the football.

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Speaker 3: For the most part this year, good at protecting it,

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not as good at taking it away, particularly when it

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comes to interceptions. They forced a good number of fumbles.

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Of course, there's always a little bit of luck involved

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there as to whether you're going to recover it or not.

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But for the past two years now they just have

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not come up with enough interceptions. And since they play

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a three to three five defense most of the time,

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you've got the extra defensive back back there. Iowa State

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kind of popularize this defense and one of the reasons

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why the Cyclones have been so good is that year

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after year after year they turn it into a bunch

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of interceptions. Cincinnati has not been able to do that

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so far this year, and they didn't do it last

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year either.

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Speaker 2: How do you see this game playing out? You've seen

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a lot of Cincinnati football over the years. You know

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this squad better than anybody. How do you see this

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game play out at Knipert Stadium.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, I think one of the big steps

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that the Cincinnati football program is looking to take in

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year three under Scott Saderfield is to win its biggest

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home games. That's what premier elite programs do. When you

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get a good team on your home field, maybe even

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a team that's a little bit better than you are

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in terms of talent, you find a way to win

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those games. Cincinnati has approached that point. They beat Arizona

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State last year when Arizona State won the league title.

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That was at Nippert Stadium. They've got a home win

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over Iowa State this year when the Cyclones were still

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in the top twenty five. So they've had a few

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games like that, but they don't have one yet under

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coach Satderfield. That would be like beating DYU on Saturday Night,

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number eleven in the country ahead of you on the

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you know, the conference totem pole when it comes to

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the standings, a team that's got a ton to play for,

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much like you do. That is the mission for Cincinnati

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on Saturday night to try to win one of those

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gigantic home games that tells everybody in the conference going

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into Knippert Stadium is going to be difficult going forward.

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Speaker 2: One last thing before we let you go, appreciate you

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hopping on to discuss the Cincinnati Bearcats team and what

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it does well and what the environment also is going

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to be like. You have two questions for you before

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I let you go. One of them is this the

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College Football Playoff Comittee dropped their rankings and gave some

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respect to the Big Twelve. I would say some respect

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because you know, you got Texas Tech at the top

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of the food chain. BYU said one lost team, and

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they justified keeping BYU out at the top ten because

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they lost to Texas Tech, a top five team on

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the road at Lubbock, and it wasn't a competitive game,

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even though the scoring margin was I think the smallest

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scoring margin twenty two points in their victories thus far

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this season. But bat Moore jor Mark said, I am

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thrilled to see the Big Twelve conference getting the respected deserves.

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I said a Big Twelve Football media days in July

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that we would earn it on the field, and we

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continue to do that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Big Twelve is getting the.

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Speaker 2: Respect it deserves as a powerful conference versus the Big

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ten in the SEC.

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Speaker 3: No, not yet. I think it is slowly moving in

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that direction, but it doesn't happen overnight. Let's face it,

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when Texas and Oklahoma left, it hurt the reputation of

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the conference, fairly or unfairly. Just to have two big name,

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blue blood type programs exit made everybody think, Wow, the

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Big Twelve is not going to be as good going forward.

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I think it's every bit as good, and Texas wasn't

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winning league championships in this league anyway for the last

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several years. Oklahoma typically did, so it just takes time.

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I do think that things are moving in the right

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direction for the conference in terms of the national reputation.

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I do think that most people look at the Big

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Twelve as the third best league, clearly ahead of the ACC.

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So that's a good step. But they're just going to

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have to continue to win big games for people to

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think that they've closed the gap on the Big ten

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of the SEC.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Any recommendations for our fan base that's heading out to

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MIT Nippert Stadium and heading out to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Tea, Well, sure you know when in Rome, right, So

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coming to Cincinnati. Yeah, if you're coming to Cincinnati and

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you've never tried Cincinnati style chili, you probably at least

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need to try it now. Skyline Chile is the most

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famous franchise. There are several different places in town that

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do this, but if you're going to try it for

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the first time, you should probably try it at Skyline.

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This is not Chile as it's thought of in most

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of the world. This is not coming a bowl with

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ground beef and kidney beans and kind of be somewhere,

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you know, closer to a soup. This is something that

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is typically served on spaghetti, so it's like Costa sauce

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on top of spaghetti with a giant mound of orange

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cheddar cheese. I know it sounds disgusting, but it's delicious.

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So that's one thing that anybody coming from Utah to

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Cincinnati for the first time should try. Secondly, we have

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a famous local ice cream maker, Greater's ice Cream, that

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is some of the best ice cream in the world.

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Oprah has it shipped to her every month. She gets

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the black raspberry chip shipped to her monthly. It's amazing.

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So definitely try Greater's ice Cream. And if you're up

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for it.

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Speaker 2: Skyline Chilling Dan Horde, Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of

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the Cincinnati Bearcats. It'll be a bear Bach myr versus

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a Bearcat bear down there in Cincinnati. We appreciate you

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hopping on to preview it. Thanks so much, my pleasure,

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