1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:07,599 As you're all aware, we are at the Christmas break 3 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:13,039 for the trial, so obviously there's nothing groundbreaking happening in 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,160 the mornings or even in the evenings at this point. 5 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:18,280 But that's okay, because we're still going to be here 6 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,480 adding some context, and we're going to do that today 7 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:28,320 by talking about the grand jury transcripts from Palm Beach. Now, 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,120 there was a lot of talk a few weeks ago 9 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:35,960 that this judge was going to release these grand jury transcripts, 10 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,920 and that would have been a huge boost in the 11 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:44,920 arm for transparency. We all know that whatever went on 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,479 in that grand jury room in two thousand and six, 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,799 it was not good, all right. Whatever was going on 14 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:57,719 in that grand jury room based on that arrest was 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,159 not up to par. And the fact that only one 16 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:04,560 of those girls was able to give their story in 17 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,400 front of the grand jury tells you everything you need 18 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:12,920 to know about the prosecutors and about the whole entire 19 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:22,319 scenario that unfolded this prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein. The original 20 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:27,840 prosecution was legitimately one of the biggest travesties of justice 21 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:33,079 perhaps ever. When you look at the grand scope of 22 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:37,760 it all, and you look at the disgusting nature of 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,400 his crimes and the wake of misery he left. I mean, 24 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,640 it's hard not to look at it like that. And 25 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,920 the fact that Barry Krisher and the State Prosecutor's office 26 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:56,879 in Florida worked hand in hand with Dershowitz and Lefkowitz 27 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,599 and the rest of Jeffrey Epstein's legal team to not 28 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,799 only get him off, but to destroy his own witnesses, 29 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:10,479 Barry Kirsher's own witnesses, meaning these girls, is just unbelievable 30 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,639 to me. And you have this judge down there in 31 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,639 Palm Beach, you know, one of the good old boys, 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,000 one of the been around forevers, still mucking things up, 33 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:28,599 still not interested in transparency. You would think, after all 34 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,479 these years and all of the scrutiny over the Jeffrey 35 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:34,599 Epstein case, that some of these judges would wise up 36 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:37,800 by now. But like I always say, they think they're 37 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,400 feudal lords and these courtrooms are their fiefdoms and they 38 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:47,439 can do whatever they want. And these lifetime elected, lifetime 39 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:51,759 appointed judges bad news. Folks talk about people who are 40 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,159 power hungry. Every now and then you'll run across one 41 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:57,719 of these judges like this guy, and you just shake 42 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:01,960 your head. But there's been a lot of them when 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,560 it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case. A lot of 44 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,479 these judges, a lot of these people in positions of power, 45 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,960 have failed these girls time and time again. And with 46 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,039 this latest blow, this judge not going to release these transcripts. 47 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:24,800 It's just another victory for the scumbags and just another 48 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,759 hurdle in the way of those who are trying to 49 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,280 bring those scumbags to justice. This morning, we have an 50 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,639 article from the Palm Beach Post and the author is 51 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,479 Jane Musgrave. Was the Jeffrey Epstein case intentionally sunk? Judge 52 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,080 won't excuse me, Judge won't release secret grand jury papers. 53 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:53,240 And again it's another blow to transparency. It's another blow 54 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:57,159 to those of us who want the truth, and it 55 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:04,759 just again throws up another over. What everybody perceives at 56 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:09,919 this point is government malfeasans. You would think that they'd 57 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:12,199 want to expose that, right, you would think that they'd 58 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,680 want to put that on blast, But that's not how 59 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:19,040 it works. They're going to cover your ass mode and 60 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,040 they got to protect the other scumbags that they work with, 61 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,720 and it's just such a dog and pony show at 62 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,560 this point, and the illusion that there's a fair justice system, 63 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,759 the illusion that there isn't a two tier justice system, 64 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:40,480 is being shattered on a regular basis at this point. 65 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,480 A Palm Beach County Circuit judge on Monday refused to 66 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,879 release secret documents that could explain why a two thousand 67 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:52,360 and six grand jury indicted serial child molester Jeffrey Epstein 68 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:56,240 on a single charge of prostitution despite evidence that showed 69 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,079 he abused more than a dozen girls at his Palm 70 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:02,040 Beach mansion. Now let that sink in for those of 71 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:05,759 you who aren't really completely up to date on the case, 72 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,439 you know, those of you who have you know, had 73 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:11,399 a life for the last three years, this might seem like, 74 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:13,759 what the hell are you talking about here? How is 75 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,560 that even possible? But this is what they've been dealing with, 76 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:21,959 meaning the survivors from the beginning, law enforcement has not 77 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,160 been on their side. Law enforcement, in fact, a lot 78 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,000 of the time has worked against them. And you see 79 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,319 it here again when you have this judge who makes 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,560 the decision that these grand jury documents will not see 81 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,959 the light of day, as if it's some sort of 82 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:44,079 national security issue where nobody should ever see those grand 83 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,439 jury documents. Now, I understand if there was a legitimate reason, 84 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:53,439 a legitimate issue, keeping those documents from the public, But 85 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,000 there's no legitimate reason, unless, of course, you're trying to 86 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,000 cover for somebody, unless of course you're trying to protect 87 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:07,759 your friends in a tent. In a ten page order circuit, 88 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,639 Judge Donald Haffel rejected arguments by attorneys for the Palm 89 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:15,120 Beach Post who pushed him to release the records, citing 90 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,079 a rarely used state law that allows the secrecy of 91 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,199 grand of the grand jury to be pierced to further 92 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,480 the interests of justice. And if this isn't a case 93 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:29,360 where that hits home, I don't know what is. These 94 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:33,160 grand jury testimony should be on the uh uh uh 95 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:39,879 uh excuse me released. They shouldn't be hidden from the 96 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:45,000 public for all of these years, especially if it moves 97 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,319 the interests of justice, and it certainly would, considering the 98 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,560 non prosecution agreement is based on all of this, So 99 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,920 to get rid of that non prosecution agreement, wouldn't it 100 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,199 stand to reason that having these grand jury documents tints 101 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,839 released would go a long way to making that occur. 102 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:12,240 While Halfel noted the newspaper offered strong arguments, he said 103 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,240 he was bound by the state's law. The court rules 104 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,240 against the newspaper because the established and binding maxims of 105 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:23,759 Florida law constrain it to do so, Halfley wrote. Halfly wrote, 106 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,759 and again we know that that's not one hundred percent 107 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,839 the case. If it promotes the interest of justice, as 108 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,279 according to the state law in Florida, then the documents 109 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,360 can be released, the transcripts can be released. But they 110 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 don't have any interest in doing that. Him, the other 111 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,199 judge that's involved in this, Krystal Marx, all of them 112 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,120 had ties to Barry Krisher or other people involved in 113 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,839 the case. That's how these things work with these bureaucrats. 114 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,480 They're all friends, they're all going to the same company functions, 115 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:58,079 and on and on and on it goes. We've discussed 116 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:00,800 it a lot here on this podcast. You're not buying 117 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:03,959 the lawyer for what they're going to do in the courtroom. 118 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,120 For the most part, you're paying for a lawyer for 119 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:11,920 the connections they have outside of the courtroom, for the 120 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,360 access they can get you to the prosecutor's office. Why 121 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,120 do you think in a situation like Maxwell's she hires 122 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,360 somebody like Christian everde ex prosecutor has a lock with 123 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,879 the SDNY knows all of the prosecutors. They're all probably chummy. 124 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,839 They probably go to barbecues together, you know what I'm 125 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:38,200 talking about. While state law allows the release of grand 126 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,440 jury records to further the interest of justice, he said, 127 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:45,200 it is clear the legislature intended that exception to be 128 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,399 used only in pending criminal or civil cases. So just 129 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 because this happened a while back, and now Epstein's dead, 130 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,639 let's just forget it ever happened. We'll just move on. 131 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,240 And you know what it is, what it is. Sorry, 132 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,639 the girls who are victimized, no justice for them. It's 133 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,519 basically what this judge is saying. And I mean it 134 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,279 shouldn't shock anybody considering, you know what we see these 135 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,200 judges do on a regular basis from the bench here 136 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,759 in America. But you would think that something like this, 137 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,960 with all of the interests surrounding it, all of the 138 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,360 questions that still need to be answered, that if you 139 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:25,360 were a judge, you'd say to yourself, you know what, 140 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,879 in the interests of justice, in the interests of moving 141 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,840 the truth forward. I'm going to release these transcripts, and 142 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:35,720 that's what the law is put on the books for. 143 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,720 But unfortunately this judge didn't want to interpret the interpret 144 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:44,279 it that way. Instead, the newspaper advocates a more expensive 145 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,720 interpretation of the term. He wrote, the newspaper wants the 146 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:51,759 ability to publish the materials and reference them and its reporting, 147 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,799 and also to make the materials available to the public. Yeah, 148 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,960 that's how this works, judge. Okay, the public is interested 149 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,440 in a case that it's probably one of the most 150 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,120 corrupt of all time. So yeah, there is going to 151 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,360 be a bit of hesitancy to trust you. There is 152 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,960 going to be a bit of cynicism when it comes 153 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,279 to court rulings, and the fact that you want to 154 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,000 keep this stuff away from the public is just going 155 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:25,039 to feed into conspiracy theories and outlandish thoughts. The government 156 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,919 plays a huge part in all of that. They could 157 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,759 stem and stop a whole bunch of the conspiracy stuff 158 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,200 with a whole lot of different topics if they just 159 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,639 stop their bullshit. But they don't want to ever be transparent. 160 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:42,039 They want to keep everything private. Everything's a national security issue, 161 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,559 isn't it, And that's what they'll say. Or if you're 162 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,399 looking to get information about something, say like Jeffrey Epstein's 163 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,960 first alleged suicide attempt, what they'll say is the information 164 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:56,759 is unavailable because it's still part of an ongoing investigation, 165 00:10:57,159 --> 00:11:01,840 and that ongoing investigation has to do with Tartan. So 166 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,720 they'll just run you in circles for as long as possible, 167 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,000 and if somehow you do get some Freedom of Information 168 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,279 Act information from them, it'll be heavily redacted or partial. 169 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,720 You'll never get the full story like the newspapers attorneys. 170 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:25,600 Haffel said the transcripts could help answer troublesome questions about 171 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:31,320 why the politically connected, multimillionaire pedophile escaped serious punishment. Some 172 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,320 claim that then State Attorney Barry Krisher was improperly influenced 173 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,399 by Epstein's high octang defense team. I agree with that. 174 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,720 I definitely think he was. When you go back and 175 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,360 you look at all of the documentation, and you look 176 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:46,960 at the reporting, and you look at how things broke, 177 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,960 it's very obvious that he wasn't working as an advocate 178 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,039 for these survivors, and neither was the Prosecutor's Office of 179 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,679 Florida or hell, the federal prosecutor's office either. Because remember, 180 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,759 while Acosta was the one who was the direction man, right, 181 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,000 the guy who was considered the quote unquote boss on 182 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:11,600 the ground, he had people to answer to as well. 183 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:15,200 He's just a mid level bureaucrat. He don't make decisions 184 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,399 like this. He had to kick that up the chain 185 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,039 to move Mukesi and the rest of them. So they 186 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,159 all failed from the top down, from the federal government 187 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,080 all the way down to the state, and now all 188 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,960 the way back to this judge. Absolute failures a top 189 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:38,159 of absolute failures. It may very well be that the 190 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,559 disclosure of Jeffrey Epstein's grand jury records could reveal the 191 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,000 fair treatment did not occur, and that mister Epstein might 192 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,799 have escaped appropriate punishment through some failing of our justice system. 193 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,759 Haffel said, yeah, well, how about releasing the documents then instead, 194 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:58,679 you'll just sit on them right like a dragon hoarding 195 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,679 its gold. Post hasn't decided whether to appeal, but he 196 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,399 said state law can't be ignored on a whim or 197 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,240 to satisfy the public's curiosity. The court's interpretation of the 198 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,240 scope of the state law. End of the phrase furthering 199 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,799 justice is governed and constrained by the established rules of 200 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:23,480 statutory construction, Halfley wrote. Attorneys for the Posts said they 201 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,879 were reviewing the order and had not yet decided whether 202 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,559 to appeal. I really hope they do. I mean, I 203 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,559 know it's an extra cost on them to appeal stuff 204 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,200 like this, and the attorney fees get to be a 205 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,519 bit excessive. But you would think that in the interest 206 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:46,120 of justice, in the interest of transparency, that they would 207 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,399 release this documentation. And really what it comes down to 208 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,200 is this judge's interpretation of the law. That's all it is. 209 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:02,000 But he said state law can't be ignored on a 210 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:08,559 whim or to satisfy the public's curiosity. In a statement, 211 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:11,720 a comptroller and Clerk of the Courts, Joe Abruzzo, said 212 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:14,960 that while he hired a top media lawyer to represent 213 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,440 his office in the lawsuit, he wasn't against the newspaper's request. 214 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,240 While Florida statute is clear on its prohibition of releasing 215 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:25,639 information from grand jury cases, I want to be clear 216 00:14:25,679 --> 00:14:29,080 that I have absolutely no objection to releasing grand jury 217 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,320 information in the Epstein case if directed by the court. 218 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,159 A Bruso said, So what the comptroller is saying, look, 219 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,919 I'll release this information, but I have to be directed 220 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,279 to do so by the court. That's the only way 221 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,200 that I can release this. And once again it goes 222 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,080 back to the judges. These guys running around like their 223 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:56,879 Taiwin lanister in the courtroom. He hired Shane Voight, a 224 00:14:56,919 --> 00:14:59,320 Tampa attorney who won a one hundred and forty million 225 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,320 dollars verdict against Gawker on behalf of retired professional wrestler 226 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:07,399 Hulk Hogan and has represented others in fights against news outlets, 227 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:13,519 to represent the office. During a hearing on October twenty second, 228 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:17,679 Void argued that if half of approved the newspaper's request, 229 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:21,039 it would open the floodgates for others to do the same. Well, 230 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,759 so what open the floodgates and then on a case 231 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:27,480 by case basis decide what should or what shouldn't be released? 232 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Why is that so difficult? Oh? Is it going to 233 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:34,799 cause extra work for the clerks? God forbid? I mean, 234 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:41,120 are we supposed to just slow everything down and you know, oh, well, 235 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,039 let's wait on things here, because you know, we don't 236 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,559 have enough time or enough people. I don't even understand 237 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,840 what any of it means the floodgates will open. Well, 238 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,399 if they're legitimate requests, then maybe the floodgates need to 239 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,879 be opened. Said he could craft the narrow order that 240 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,840 would assure the clerk wouldn't be inundated with demands for 241 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:08,720 grand jury records. Still, he said, after reviewing the law, 242 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:13,399 he determined the documents must remain secret. State Attorney Dave 243 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,000 Ahrenberg declined to comment on Halfle's decision. While the paper 244 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,879 initially named him in the lawsuit, he was dropped after 245 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,559 he claimed he didn't have the records. Executives of the newspaper, 246 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,879 which is owned by Gannet Gannet Company, said they were 247 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:31,919 disappointed by Halfle's decision. Yeah, you would think so. Right. 248 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,480 As a newspaper organization, the idea is to get as 249 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:39,960 much information to the public as possible, let the public decide. 250 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,639 And what better way to do that than to provide 251 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:48,159 raw data such as transcripts. I don't need the middleman, right, 252 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 provide us with the transcripts, provide us with the information 253 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,879 that we need, and let us decide what's going on 254 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:59,000 here as the public. But no, they'll keep everything hidden. 255 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,759 And then what he'll do is he'll cite some obscure 256 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,559 law here. Oh well, it'll cause a flood of other requests, 257 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,559 and all of it is nonsense. Whenever I hear any 258 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,960 of this stuff, all I hear is no, we don't 259 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,960 want to be transparent. No, you can't know the truth. 260 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,799 That's basically what I hear every time they start in 261 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:23,039 on the nonsense. While the Post appreciates the court's consideration 262 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,920 of the issues, we respectfully disagree with the legal conclusion 263 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,599 that public access to the Epstein grand jury materials is 264 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:35,720 not warranted under the circumstances, said Marrable Perez Wadsworth, president 265 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:39,839 of Gannett News USA Today Network and publisher of USA Today. 266 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,839 It is our right and responsibility to report all aspects 267 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,960 of this case, and we will continue to diligently seek 268 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,920 the facts in our pursuit of transparency. Can argue with 269 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:54,960 that and props to them for doing it. I mean, 270 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,599 is it too much to ask to have some transparency 271 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:02,480 or as the public to have the proper information in 272 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:10,559 a case that is so important. Post Executive editor Rich 273 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,640 Christie echoed those sentiments. For sixteen years, the Post has 274 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,759 been driven to report on the heinous acts of Jeffrey Epstein. 275 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,640 For two reasons, justice for the victimized girls and accountability 276 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,640 for our readers. He said, today's ruling by Circuit Judge Haffl, 277 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,839 while disappointing, does not deter us from our mission of 278 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,799 furthering justice for Epstein's young victims. The Post will always 279 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,599 fight to shine a spotlight wherever it is needed to 280 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,039 expose the actions or in actions of those charged with 281 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,119 serving and protecting the public period. He concluded, Hey, I'll 282 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,559 tell you what, I'm all for that, and I'll be 283 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,480 right here with you, Ryde and Shotgun as far as 284 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:54,200 trying to get these transcripts, because it's a big deal. 285 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:59,119 It's a huge deal. And I can't express enough how 286 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,559 important that on prosecution agreement is in protecting these people. Still, 287 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:06,680 and all of this plays such a huge part in 288 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,519 that the ruling was a blow to efforts to unravel 289 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:16,960 the sordid case that grabbed international attention. It also came 290 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,480 on a day that a federal jury in New York 291 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:24,799 began deliberating whether Epstein's longtime girlfriend co conspirator Gleain Maxwell 292 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:28,319 recruited in groom teen's for his pleasure. The fifty nine 293 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,119 year old British socialite co conspirator general all around scusbag 294 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,400 bipedal serpent faces a lengthy prison term if connected if 295 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,119 convicted of multiple charges in connection with the sex trafficking scheme. 296 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,119 During the October hearing, the newspaper's attorneys argued that the 297 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,400 case was unique. More than fifteen years has passed. Epstein 298 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:50,599 is dead, so none of the information can be used 299 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,880 against him. The sixty six year old financier pedophile who 300 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,319 counted former President Bill Clinton and Britain's Prince Andrew his friends, 301 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,759 hung himself allegedly in a Manhattan jail cell in August 302 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:07,079 twenty nineteen while awaiting trial on dozens of sex trafficking 303 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,640 charges in New York. Again, he's dead. None of this 304 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,519 information can be used against him or anything like that. 305 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,319 So I don't understand how it won't be released. Now. Look, 306 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,680 if he was still alive and there was a chance 307 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,519 that this information could be used or all right, I 308 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,599 get it. I might not agree with it, but I 309 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,359 get it. I don't agree with it, and I don't 310 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,680 get it in this instance. The guy's dead. He's rotting. 311 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:40,079 It's time for transparency. A dozen girls said they were 312 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,160 sexually abused. Only one testified as part of a twenty 313 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,839 nineteen investigation titled The First Failure. Sources familiar with the 314 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,359 grand jury proceedings told the Post that while more than 315 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,119 a dozen teens told Palm Beach police that Epstein molested them, 316 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,799 only one, a fourteen year old girl, was called to testify. 317 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,000 And this is what I talk about a lot in 318 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:05,200 reference how only one girl was called to give testimony, 319 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,759 and how it flashes shades to what we saw here 320 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,319 in the Maxwell trial with only four girls being called. Well, 321 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,119 I understand the scopes a little bit different. It's just 322 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,680 for those of us who have been through this already, 323 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:26,799 it's concerning to see the sources said Krisher's top lieutenants 324 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:29,880 villified the team. Instead of focusing on the abuse she 325 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,000 suffered at the hands of the wealthy pedophile, they quizzed 326 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,519 her about her social media activity, which included references to 327 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:40,000 boys and drinking. Her posts on our MySpace page were 328 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,400 We're given to Kursher by Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, 329 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,880 one of Epstein's top flight attorneys, And that was the 330 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,359 strategy then, it's the strategy now, and it'll continue to 331 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,839 be the strategy until these juries wake up and start 332 00:21:55,839 --> 00:22:00,279 convicting these people. We all know that the girl were 333 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:06,079 absolutely destroyed by not only the authorities, but by Epstein's attorneys. 334 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:09,200 Oh they're talking to boys. They were smoking weed, they 335 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:13,680 drank on their MySpace page. Really, let me ask you, 336 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,559 how many of you out there, as young teenagers didn't 337 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:19,079 do any of those things? I know we all did. 338 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,319 I know I did. If you're gonna base my life 339 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,440 on what I did as a young man, then boy, 340 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:32,480 I'll tell you I'd be in big trouble. Her alleged 341 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,200 treatment by state prosecutors could explain why grand jurors indicted 342 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,880 Epstein on the lone prostitution charge instead of multiple counts 343 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:46,119 of child molestation that were sought by the police. The 344 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,880 prostitution charge ignored the tender age of Epstein's accusers and 345 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,440 the fact that teens under the age of eighteen couldn't 346 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,279 legally consent to sex. We've talked about that from the 347 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,319 jump too. How can you even call a girl under 348 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,319 eighteen a prostitute when they can't even consent to sex? 349 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:08,759 How is that? Even logical legal experts say prosecutors will 350 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:13,440 tremendous influence over grand jurors who aren't skilled in the law. Cynically, 351 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,880 some embrace a time honored maxim that a prosecutor, if 352 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,440 he desired, could indict a ham Sandwich, And this is 353 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,559 a fact as well. You know, the grand jury rooms 354 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,920 are places where indictments definitely come down at a huge swell. 355 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,440 The statement you get a ham Sandwich indicted at a 356 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,839 grand jury certainly rings true because it's something that a 357 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,759 lot of people talk about who are in the know. 358 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,640 After his death, scores of young women came forward publicly 359 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,920 describing how Epstein sexually assaulted them at his home in 360 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,400 Palm Beach, his penthouse apartment in Manhattan, his ranch in 361 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,680 New Mexico, and his private island in the Virgin Islands. 362 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,160 Some said he forced them to have sex with his 363 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,920 celebrity friends while aboard his private jet, the Lolita Express. 364 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,960 Many teen victims were from Palm Beach County, like teens 365 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:11,559 from Royal Palm Beach and John I. Leonard High Schools. 366 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,440 Many were allured to Epstein's homes with the promise of 367 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,359 being paid two hundred dollars to give him a massage. 368 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,480 He greeted them wearing little more than a towel. He 369 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,079 offered to pay them more to disrobe, let him fondle them, 370 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:26,960 and to have sex. Boy, what does that all sound like? 371 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,759 Sounds like a bunch of testimony we just heard, doesn't it. 372 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:34,920 Imagine this testimony mirrors that testimony. And if they would 373 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,680 have actually done their job during this first arrest and 374 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:43,079 had more than one of the victims give their testimony 375 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,240 to the Grand Jerry, a lot of this could have 376 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:53,960 been stopped. Perhaps the girls, some from hardscrabble backgrounds, were 377 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,119 promised careers in high fashion college educations or other perchs 378 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,440 that were beyond their reach. The Grand Jerry mark the 379 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,119 beginning of when the case spun out of control. Angry 380 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,359 at Chrishier's handling, at his agent's angry at Chrisher's handling 381 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,240 of his agency's investigation, Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Ryder 382 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:17,440 went to the FBI. Ultimately, in his secret deal, South 383 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,200 Florida attorney Alex Acosta agreed to shell of a fifty 384 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,480 three page federal indictment against Epstein if he would plead 385 00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:28,640 guilty to state prostitution charges. And now, remember, it's not 386 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,720 just a costa here. He's the scumbag with no spine, 387 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,839 no doubt about it, and He deserves his infamy for 388 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,839 his role, but he wasn't the one who made the decision. 389 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,519 He might have been the one who filed it up 390 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,720 the chain of command, but he didn't okay it, that's 391 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,799 for sure. As part of the so called non prosecution agreement, 392 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:54,640 Krisher added a charge of solicitation of a minor for prostitution. 393 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,799 Federal prosecutors insisted on the second charge because it would 394 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,799 force Epstein to register as a sex offender. How that 395 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,240 workout in New Mexico. Oh, that's right. He didn't have 396 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:08,640 to register there because he knew. He planned all of this. 397 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:16,400 He took precautions. On June thirtieth, two thousand and eight, 398 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,519 Epstein pleaded guilty in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to 399 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:24,480 both prostitution charges. He served thirteen months of an eighteen 400 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:28,119 month sentence and a largely vacant wing of the county stockade. 401 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,000 He was given liberal work release privileges. He was allowed 402 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,440 to spend up to twelve hours a day, six days 403 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,960 a week working at a private foundation he created months earlier. 404 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160 The fallout from what one state prosecutor described as the 405 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:46,440 deal of the century was far reaching, if delayed and 406 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,200 not only was Epstein out, according to some of these 407 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,519 other accusers, he was abusing them while he was out 408 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,680 on this work release program. Fantastic job done by the 409 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,640 federal government. Huh, fantastic job done by the Florida state authorities. 410 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,000 After Epstein was charged in New York, a Costa resigned 411 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,720 as former President Donald Trump's labor secretary when questions were 412 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,000 raised about his involvement in crafting the non prosecution agreement. 413 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,799 Before his resignation, a Costa sought to blame Krisher. He 414 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,039 claimed he was forced to clean up a mess Krisher 415 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,079 created when the state prosecutor refused to file serious charges 416 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:28,319 against Epstein. Acosta pointed out that Krisher originally offered to 417 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,759 allow Epstein to plead guilty to aggravate an assault, serve 418 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:34,480 no jail time, and have the felony record a raised 419 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,599 if he complied with the terms of his probation. That 420 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,039 was unacceptable, Acosta said during a nationally televised news conference. 421 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,240 So basically, it's a point him game, right, you did it, 422 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,839 he did it, she did it, And in reality, what 423 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,759 they do is they cause enough confusion then that nobody's 424 00:27:52,759 --> 00:28:01,599 held responsible. Krisher responded that Acosta was attempting to rewrite history. 425 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,599 In a prepared statement, he said, I can emphatically state 426 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,119 that mister Acosta's recollection of this matter is completely wrong. 427 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,319 A federal investigation in twenty twenty found that Acosta place 428 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,119 too much trust in Krisher. A two year state investigation 429 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,279 completed last year concluded that Krisher had little input into 430 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:26,400 the nonprofit prosecution agreement and found no wrongdoing. State investigators 431 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,920 were denied access to the grand jury proceedings. So not 432 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 only has the public locked out, they locked out the 433 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,599 state investigators who were investigating wrongdoing. Here in the FDL report. Yeah, 434 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,839 nothing to see here, folks, keep on moving. Everything is 435 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:51,200 just fine. We're all fine. After Epstein died, authorities in 436 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,359 the US Virgin Islands worked with those who were administering 437 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,400 his estate to set up a fund to compensate his victims. 438 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,480 They wrapped up their work in August after paying slightly 439 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,920 more than one hundred and twenty one million to more 440 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680 than one hundred and thirty five people. According to the 441 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,920 New York Times, look, this is a situation that, obviously, 442 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,000 as you can tell here, has been going on for 443 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,599 quite some time, and there was hope that this judge 444 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,519 was going to release these grand jury documents. Well that's 445 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,519 not going to occur. So the battle continues for transparency, folks, 446 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:27,319 and we'll continue to report on it and we'll continue 447 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,720 to talk about it until there's some movement and we 448 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:37,039 finally get a glimpse behind the curtain. All Right, folks, 449 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,920 that's gonna do it for me today, and I'll be 450 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,680 back later on, obviously with a evening update and expect 451 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:48,480 some more context episodes as well. If you'd like to 452 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,880 contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at 453 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,000 ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbu Y c ap Ucci 454 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,799 at ProtonMail dot com. 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