WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.279 --> 00:00:04.240 We're not to its gentlemen, thanks so much for joining 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:07.120 us as Dani Australa and welcome to Australia media. Tonight 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:10.560 is not entertainment. Tonight is not gossip. Tonight is not 4 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:14.839 about tabloid scandal. Tonight is about power. It's about protection. 5 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.760 It's about silence and about a question that refuses to disappear. 6 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:23.760 Why does accountabilities stop where influence begins. We're told the 7 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:26.719 Epstein case is over. We're told that the perpetraator is 8 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:31.679 dead and associate is in prison. The system worked, but 9 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:36.039 children were traffic, children were abused, and powerful names intersected 10 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.640 with that world. That's not speculation, this is court record, 11 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.280 and so the real question is not where the crimes occur. 12 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.079 The real question is who. 13 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.119 Shielded it, who benefit from the silence, and why does 14 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:52.880 exposures seem to it a ceiling? Because when institutions protect 15 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.240 their own, even in cases involving minors, something deeper is revealed, 16 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:02.880 not just corruption, but hierarchy, a hierarchy where stability out 17 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:06.920 ranks truth, where reputation at ranks innocence, where power out 18 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.200 ranks justice. And so tonight we're not here to accuse 19 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.319 recklessly We're here to ask whether what we witnessed was 20 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.719 a scandal or a glimpse of how leverage operates at 21 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.799 the highest levels of influence. Because if powerful individuals can 22 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:28.280 be compromised, if culture makers normalized version, if silence becomes survival, 23 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:34.959 then not dealing with isolated pathology, we're dealing with architecture. 24 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:39.480 An architecture demands examination. My guest tonight is someone who 25 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.879 doesn't shy away from structural questions. 26 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:42.920 His name is my friend who. 27 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.319 Mike Jane Dyer is a cultural analyst and author known 28 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:51.040 for I guess you could say, dissecting the intersections of intelligence, networks, 29 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.560 media power, and institutional influence. And for years he has 30 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.840 examined how modern systems operate beneath the surface, not just politically, 31 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:03.879 psychologically and symbolically. He's written extensively. We're going to talk 32 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.200 about his books later. But intelligence agents is their relationship 33 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.919 to culture, but soft power, but narrative control, But how 34 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:15.639 compromise can function as currency. Now, Jay doesn't approach these 35 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:19.159 topics as gossip. He approaches them as systems, and tonight 36 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.000 we're going to explore whether blackmail has become a parallel 37 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.840 governance mechanism Hollywood functions as more than entertainment, and whether 38 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:33.319 the protection of powerful predators reveals a deeper moral fracture 39 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.120 within leite institutions. Again, this is not about Histerio. It's 40 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.360 about moral clarity. Jay, thanks so much for a time. 41 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.800 Welcome to the show. Let's begin with the I guess 42 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.800 you could say the simplest question, if children were trafficked 43 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.560 within elite proximity, why didn't justice stop where it did? 44 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.199 I can't hear you, Jay, I can't hear. 45 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.000 You well, simply because there are untouchables, there are people, 46 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:03.240 people who are a class above the law. They're the 47 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.360 ones that make the law really to protect the elite class. 48 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.039 And I think there's no better example than what we've 49 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.120 seen with the recent Epstein files. Have been following the 50 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:16.599 Epstein case fairly closely since about twenty sixteen seventeen. Of course, 51 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:20.120 Whitney Webb's books are classic Part two especially, and I 52 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.800 think you know what we've seen is the banking network, 53 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:28.520 the intelligence networks Middle Eastern countries especially is Reel, British intelligence, 54 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.400 the CIA, they all play a role in all these 55 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.759 Five Eyes countries having a secret intelligence network establishment that's 56 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:36.560 above the law. 57 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:38.400 They can pretty much do whatever they want. 58 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.360 I think, you know, even have people saying in the 59 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:46.400 public sphere that really intelligence work is typically just doing 60 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:48.599 things in other countries for your country that are just 61 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.439 simply illegal, that this is ten times that this is 62 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:59.159 an international specter blow Field level organization. Again, Rothschild level stuff, 63 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.039 vindicating what people thought was crazy conspiracy theories. I was 64 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.800 reading a rereading Rothschid's biography by Morton, and within the 65 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.039 first sixty pages they brag about advanced intelligence about Waterloo 66 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.759 that allowed them to buy up the London stock market. No, 67 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.279 everybody thinks that's perhaps a legend, but it's actually true. 68 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:17.839 And lo and behold when we come to the most 69 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:23.199 recent exchanges between Ariana to Rothschald and Jeffrey, we find 70 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.839 out that it's the exact same, get advanced intelligence nowhere 71 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.040 to put your money, buy up the markets. In fact, 72 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.000 even cause the chaos where you can buy up these 73 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.800 fire sale type markets. And this was the case with Ukraine. 74 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.720 There was emails where he's there present a month before 75 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.959 Zolensky comes to power. Zelenski's then texting and saying I 76 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.000 need to get me Jeffrey on the vote. I need 77 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.000 to Jeffrey, you need consultation. 78 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:46.639 He's needing consultation. 79 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.560 We have discussions of the Greek bailouts and how to 80 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.959 profit from that with Arenander Rothschild. We even have emails 81 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:57.120 about Somalia land and how to buy up the land of. 82 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.240 The resources there on and on and on. 83 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.600 He explains about it can bank to Larry Summers in 84 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:03.480 one of these emails, which is kind of surprising to me. 85 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.720 So long story, short and rambling. You get the idea that's. 86 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:12.160 A class of people that are a breakaway security establishment 87 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.959 of the Western powers, tied into banking, celebrities, all of 88 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.519 that at the highest level, and they're above the law. 89 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.680 So crimes against children that's not just illegal, there are 90 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:27.800 civilization ending morally. So when minors repeatedly appear on these 91 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:31.160 high level scandals, we have to ask, is this merely 92 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.759 depravity or is it the most powerful form of leverage imaginable. 93 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.480 Good way to put it. Yeah, what a most somewhat 94 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.439 healthy societies value. Will they value their youth the next generation? 95 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:43.959 For sure? 96 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:48.639 So to invert that, to pervert that, to damage that, 97 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:53.120 to destroy innocence, I think most native moral sense that 98 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.160 people have is that's the most heinous thing. 99 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:56.759 That you could do. 100 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.519 And so to protect these people, who again are the law, 101 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.160 who are compromising people that want to be in this 102 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.199 elite class as you know, Yeah, that's the most powerful part. 103 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.680 I can't think of anything more damaging or more controlling 104 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:12.920 than something like that. 105 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.240 That's pretty much the most heinous. 106 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.680 So if a politician takes a bride, he can recover. 107 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:21.000 If if a CEO has an affair, he can he 108 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.879 can spin it. But crimes involving minors, that's annihilation level exposure. 109 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:31.959 So uh is abuse of miners the ultimate control mechanism 110 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.959 because it creates irreversible dependency. 111 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.600 That's a good way to put it. We might wonder why, 112 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:40.199 and I think that makes a lot of sense. 113 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:41.360 Why would it be that. 114 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.800 Well, again, you know, that's the most heinous and also 115 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.920 can't come back from that, right you're done. If that 116 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.399 comes out, it's it's total control. It's the strongest form 117 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:52.800 of blackmail. So I think you're right. 118 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.959 So if you if you have two powerful individuals and 119 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.319 they share knowledge of an unspeakable crime, whether we're talking 120 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:02.839 about Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, and so, that bond 121 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:08.040 is not ideological, it's existential. So is mutual destruction potentially 122 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:12.680 stronger than loyalty. Does shared guilt create elite cohesion in 123 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.160 a sense of all these people together. Like a friend 124 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.079 of mine, Nick Brian, said, you're in this big yacht, 125 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.079 luxurious one hundred foot yacht, and I'm not yet. You 126 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.360 can have anything you want, anything you want, but you 127 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:24.560 can never get off the yacht. 128 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:26.959 Yeah. 129 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:29.920 Nick brought that exact same thing up the other day. 130 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:31.399 We were chatting about this. So though that was a 131 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.160 great analogy. Yeah, that you know, it reminds me of 132 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.199 a Machiavelli that the prince is better to be feared 133 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.480 than to be loved because for the sake of state 134 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.680 craft and ruling, that's that's your go to, right. So 135 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.199 if you've got dirt on everyone else, and I know 136 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.360 this from the religious world, is the same way, right. 137 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.360 A lot of the people might be surprised to know 138 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.279 that in the religious world, Catholic bishops, even Orthodox bishops, 139 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.600 many of them have dirt on all the other bishops 140 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.199 and so it's no different in the other Now it 141 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.560 may not be hopefully well in the case the Calay Church, 142 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.160 it might actually be child child related stuff, but in 143 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.319 many cases it's usually like you know, gay gay stuff 144 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.800 or something like that. But so if it happens in 145 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.279 every era of society, people get blackmail and other people, 146 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.800 and of course it would be you know the norm 147 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:20.879 uh in the political sphere. But I think people don't 148 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.319 realize how common and prevalent it is. I did a 149 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.199 bunch of read a bunch of books recently on the 150 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:29.120 history of sexpionage, and you know, this is what a 151 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:33.919 huge role in empires toppling, you know, people being in trapped, 152 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.120 usually by women, but it could be other things too. 153 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.600 You can be in the case of you know, Japan 154 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.080 versus China, there was a guy who was a military 155 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:44.320 intelligence guy named Kenji O'Hara. 156 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:48.039 He set up a whole network of brothels. 157 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.639 And opium dens throughout China and it helped basically win 158 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:55.320 the war between Japan and China. And but he learned 159 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.320 that if you could get the generals to come to 160 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.840 the prostitution houses and get them and some pillow talk, 161 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.720 he could get a lot of advanced information. So that's 162 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:06.240 again that's just how state craft works. Unfortunately, it's a 163 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:09.480 big part of how the state works and how it runs. 164 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.720 And it's not just the state it's private corporations. Do 165 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:13.960 they do the same type of stuff with corporate intelligence? 166 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.360 So yeah, this is how it works. This is the 167 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.679 ultimate blackmail. It's better to be I think if your 168 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.799 people at that level, they see it as better to 169 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:22.279 be feared than to be loved. 170 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.320 I mean, this is a huge thing. So many people 171 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:26.679 are involved in so many levels. 172 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.399 We talked about high level politicians, royalty, SEEO, some of 173 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.519 the biggest, if not the biggest corporations in the world. 174 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.399 I'm not sure if it's top five, founded in one thousand, 175 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:36.279 doesn't matter. All of them are in on this thing. 176 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:39.279 Are you surprised that all that, like, none of this 177 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.879 really has come out. No one has decided, you know, 178 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:45.399 to switch ranks and actually come out and start talking. 179 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:47.840 This caused a no stra kind of thing. Are you 180 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:51.399 surprised that is still you know, a secret as well? 181 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:55.279 It's funny you mentioned the mafia analogy, because yeah, I 182 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.519 did some interviews with Sammy the Boll who is John 183 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.519 Gotti's underboss, and you know, he talked a lot about 184 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.440 how the criminal syndicates were structured and how the Sicilian 185 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.279 Mafia would sometimes consult other organized crime groups on how 186 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.600 they should set things up, and of course Lucky Luciana 187 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:14.960 went to Mayor Lanski to learn how to set up 188 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.480 the Sicilian mafia in America. So Jewish mafia played a 189 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.399 key role in that as well. And the point here 190 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.120 is that, yeah, I think that it's it's more they 191 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.600 fear the syndicate more than they fear the possibility of 192 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.120 anything coming from getting the word out. You know, so 193 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.279 often getting the word out just doesn't do anything. And 194 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.840 especially if the justice system itself is corrupted and you've 195 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:40.720 got corrupt judges and things like that, which I think 196 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.639 are definitely the case, there's not really any any incentive 197 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:46.919 to come out unless there's some sort of you know, 198 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.320 religious conversion or they you know, have want to clean 199 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:51.480 their conscience or something like that. That's really the only time 200 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.960 that we get people really coming out. And then people 201 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.120 oftentimes meet their demise when they come out. You know, 202 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:02.720 there's quite a few death surround the Clintons around you know, 203 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.240 the Epstein case. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's 204 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.799 enough incentive to keep people quiet. And it is a 205 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.840 lot like organized crime, where you have an omerta, you 206 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.639 have an oath, and you don't go against that or 207 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.600 else you pay the penalty when. 208 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.919 Someone crosses the deepest moral boundary, in other words, harming 209 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:24.159 a child. I think something breaks internally in a human being. 210 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.720 Does that fracture make them easier to control? 211 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:30.080 Are they still human? 212 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:33.559 I think you're absolutely right. 213 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.480 And of course it's a dark subject, but it's been 214 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.639 studied from a psychological scientific perspective. You know, quite a 215 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:44.320 bit of the mk Ultra stuff dealt with trauma, dealt 216 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:49.519 with fracturing of the personality. They even did studies on psychopaths, criminals, 217 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:53.879 homeless people to see how easily you could engineer things 218 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.200 like serial killers. Phoenix program was about creating serial killers. 219 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.399 So we know there's been quite a bit of study 220 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:02.080 and research on those subjects. 221 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:03.759 How advanced they. 222 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.200 Actually are in doing that, I'm not sure, but it's 223 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.720 probably pretty advanced, especially within the ranks of the military 224 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.200 or the Navy something like that. And so yeah, I 225 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.399 wouldn't be surprised if you know the criminal syndicates that 226 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:17.759 Epstein was involved with, which AGA again include multiple intelligence services. 227 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:23.399 I'm sure that they have end depth knowledge of the 228 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:26.440 the effects of doing such actions on a person to 229 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.720 degrade the person, and that being such an extreme type 230 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.399 of action. I have no doubt, you know, coming from 231 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.519 a religious perspective, I would say absolutely, there's something demonic 232 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:37.360 about it. 233 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:44.480 It definitely almost makes the person well. 234 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.480 In the scriptures, Paul talks about, for example, being given 235 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.399 over to a reprobate mind, and so at a certain 236 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.960 point you can kind of just commit yourself to evil. 237 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:56.120 And you may not be religious, but I'm just saying 238 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.519 as an analogy, we could understand something like that in 239 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.279 this domain the psychological. I think, yes, it's possible to 240 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.480 completely give yourself over to evil and they really just 241 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.279 sere or burn the conscience out. I mean, was it 242 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.840 the story of you know, Bohemian Grove is something like, 243 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.679 you know, sacrifice your conscience when you come here or 244 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:12.279 something like that. 245 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:14.480 So I would imagine, yeah, that's that's probably the case. 246 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.080 You've done a lot of work on on Hollywood. I 247 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.600 want to ask you about Hollywood's obsession with with. 248 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:20.440 The with the youth. 249 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:25.279 So Hollywood has this long documented history of exploiting young performers. 250 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.399 Uh, it's not a rumor, it's been documented. So why 251 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:29.840 does an industry. 252 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:34.960 Built on storytelling repeatedly revolve around hyper sexualized youth? 253 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.480 For example, casting a. 254 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:42.720 Couch, exploitations, power imbalance between minors and executives is just 255 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.240 is this just corruption or is it structural? 256 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.960 It's structural, it's institutional capture. All the institutions essentially been 257 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:55.080 captured by you know, this organized crime syndicate. They're not 258 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:57.639 all occultist and Satanist, but many of them are, and 259 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.799 you know, they they're committed. 260 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.759 To, you know, these perspectives. 261 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.759 You know, if you think about the Epstein Bannon interviews, 262 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.519 we live stream that whole thing, and I was kind 263 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:10.360 of surprised that the degree to which Epstein did have 264 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:15.080 interest in certain esoteric and occult topics, and I wouldn't 265 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:16.960 be surprised. And then of course we're not surprised that 266 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:18.840 we see that, you know, all through Hollywood. So I 267 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:23.559 think again the same ideas of control. For example, there's 268 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.440 a lot of stories with prisons and prison gangs, or 269 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.399 even with people in Hollywood and with directors and producers. 270 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.519 With the way that they will sort of approach a man. 271 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.360 So a male director or a producer might even approach 272 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.879 a fully grown, middle aged man, grab their balls and 273 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.159 basically say you're going to let me, you know, hump 274 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.000 you in the bot or else you're not going to 275 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.799 get the role. There's are many stories about this. Why 276 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:51.639 would this be Well, if you think about the way 277 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.840 that this is studied with prison structures and control, it's 278 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:59.519 a control, dominance, control situation, so you're learning that you're 279 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:00.879 completely owned. 280 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:01.240 You know. 281 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.679 In the case of Diddy, we saw several situations where 282 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.759 he was doing something basically kind of a smaller scale 283 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.759 type of Epstein operation. But the stories, at least if 284 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.080 they're correct, and I think they probably are, is that 285 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:13.360 you know Diddy would do the same type. I think 286 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:14.799 he would say, look, you're gonna let me do what 287 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.840 I want with you. It's filmed, and now we own you. 288 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.000 Justin Justin Bieber, I mean, I don't know anything about 289 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.240 Justin Bieber beyond what we see. But what you see 290 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.039 is is you know, it's it's it's eye opening, I think, 291 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:27.759 jaw dropping. 292 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:29.159 Yeah. 293 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:32.559 I think he's a great case where this seems likely 294 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.720 many of the everybody knows that a lot of the 295 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.399 young Hollywood child actors have grown up to be very 296 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.799 damaged to Corey Feldman has talked about this for many 297 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.480 years and his books, his documentaries. You know, so many 298 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.360 people from the eighties TV shows, you know, the different strokes. 299 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.759 People like that those actors grew up to be damaged individuals. 300 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.720 So many people from the music scene, the children are musicians, rotmans. 301 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:55.600 This is this is. 302 00:15:55.519 --> 00:16:01.159 A rampant problem and it is systemic. I think you're 303 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.240 absolutely right, and I think that the idea of damaging 304 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.159 or traumatizing the youth is also what they try to 305 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:09.120 do on a mass scale. 306 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:09.759 And you know this. 307 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:11.679 You've written your book on Tabastock. I think I read 308 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.240 all your books. You know you wrote about this in Tabistock. 309 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.399 You can you can kind of take what they studied 310 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.879 the individual, and you can just magnify that and use 311 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:21.720 these techniques on a mass skill. 312 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.919 Is there an unspoken reality in elite entertainment socless that 313 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:32.759 advancement requires compromise, not talent alone, but submission, and is 314 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.799 exploitation the filtration mechanism in the sense. 315 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.960 Absolutely. I'm glad you said that because I caught out. 316 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:41.399 Nobody else has noticed this, but. 317 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.720 I caught in an old Diddy interview from it was 318 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.960 a stupid TV shows, his reality show back like twenty 319 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.039 years ago, and it was something like he's hired all 320 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.519 these people to be his assistants and then you have 321 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.480 to go do whatever he says. Anyway, there was this 322 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.960 amazingly insightful sequence one time where somebody was like, oh, 323 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.519 by the way, Diddy, I found a whole bunch of 324 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:03.679 really talented rappers. 325 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:05.000 I've got all their mixtapes. 326 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.160 I'm ready to you know, let you see the best, 327 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.119 and he goes, hold on, I don't want to hear 328 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.039 anything that's based in talent. 329 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.039 And the guy's like mystified, like what he's like. 330 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.559 I want you to find the untalented the non talented, 331 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.759 because those are the ones that you can control. A 332 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:25.279 talented person can immediately go and start his own record 333 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:26.640 company and make his own money. 334 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:28.039 That's not what I want. 335 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.279 I want a person who doesn't have the talent, but 336 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.000 I can make them into a star and control them. 337 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:34.599 That's Hollywood right there. 338 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.039 That's the music industry right there is at least much 339 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:38.720 of I'm not saying nobody has talent, but you know 340 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:42.119 what I'm saying. That's a great example window into Diddy's mindset, 341 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.359 even back in the late nineties or two thousands when 342 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:46.720 he said this. So he had figured out the game, 343 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.799 and of course he came out of an organized crime 344 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.839 his family was involved early on in black gangs, an 345 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.799 organized crime. His wife, his mom had to to flee 346 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:57.000 some of those gangs to get away from them, so 347 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.920 he understood that, you know how the world really works 348 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.400 type of attitude. But no, you're absolutely right that a 349 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.640 lot of these celebrities, and it might even go into 350 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.680 something crazy, perhaps with Brittany. I even thought with Britney 351 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.519 Spears it was a little much to think that she 352 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.680 might be like monarch mind control. But after a lot 353 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.240 of these older interviews and you see her seemingly switch 354 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.039 different personalities, and then when all that stuff came out 355 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.599 about the conservatorship, I was a skeptic even though I 356 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.960 thought it's possible, But I tend to think, no, she's 357 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.519 probably actually is a you know. 358 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.319 Absolutely absolutely you know it's going back and thinking back 359 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.039 to the Me Too movement with Harvey Epstein, It's like, 360 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:35.880 I'm not sure if Epstein is any. 361 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.759 Of the Epstein what's his name. 362 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.680 Weinstein is in any of the files. At least his 363 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.440 name hasn't come up. But in any case, it's like, 364 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.880 you know, he screwed raped a lot of women, But 365 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.680 I mean, this is several levels. I'm not excusing needless 366 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.400 to say what Harvey Weinstein did, but this is like 367 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.839 several many more levels of magnitude, you know, more horrible 368 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.519 then what you know, Harvey Weinstein did. 369 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:06.960 Yeah, I think a lot of people were speculating that 370 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.039 when the me Too movement happened, that was actually to 371 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:15.160 deflect away from people beginning to investigate underage things in Hollywood, 372 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.000 because you had certain directors. There was that documentary that 373 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.480 came out I can't remember if it was a Spotlight 374 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:22.799 or the other one. One of them was about the 375 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.519 Romancalloy Church, and there was another one that came out 376 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:28.519 about Hollywood and various directors like Bryan Singer and people 377 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:32.119 like that, I think who had had these scandals. Some 378 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:34.480 of the people in Nickelodeon, Dan Schneider, these kind of 379 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:38.480 the pop star people who were, you know, basically trying 380 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:39.160 to get with all the. 381 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.720 Boy bands. You know, so this scandal keeps kind of happening. 382 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:47.519 You have all these creeps in Hollywood, especially in the 383 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:53.000 domain of anywhere where there's youth, Nickelodeon type stuff, and 384 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.799 that seemed to be sort of derailed by I think 385 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.720 perhaps some women who wanted to just sort of capitalize 386 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.519 on me too I'm not saying that Harvey Weinsteon didn't 387 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.920 do anything. I think he was, like you said, probably 388 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.759 you know, essentially making a lot of the women if 389 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:10.880 they want the role, you know, the casting couch stuff. 390 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.119 That's essentially what was probably going on there. And I'm 391 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:15.640 not saying that's not bad, but like you said, like 392 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.640 the Epstein stuff is ten times worse. And I suspected 393 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.799 that people were beginning to look into Hollywood PDF stuff 394 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.599 and then it got deflected into to me too. 395 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.720 But also I think that Harvey weinst was I'm sure 396 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:30.079 he was doing casting couch stuff. 397 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.599 So yeah, this is essentially, you know, I don't want 398 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.240 to say something on YouTube you can't say, but graping 399 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:42.559 of the youth and damaging the youth, and not just in. 400 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.000 The arts but through the arts. 401 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.240