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the what's the way to determine who is and isn't one?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm asking because like, well.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess, I guess maybe I misspoke. I guess

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Speaker 1: Well, what I'm asking is if it's an i Q question,

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then the baby doesn't make the cut. So a baby's

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not there yet, right, maybe even a two year old too, right, Yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: That's that was what I said, because I don't take

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my friend said. I'm just like, well that doesn't really

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make sense because like what if someone would down center

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of people necessitate that they're all going to have the

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Speaker 2: Well, we're using people again, like these words that I

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Speaker 1: On what basis though, Okay, so there's no classes of

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Speaker 2: Well, there are, but like, what's the justification for throwing say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, IQ didn't matter? Now it does? Or what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're just assuming a reductionist approach. So why

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is that the only way to group or class things.

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Speaker 1: Is a Let's take a family. A family is a

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metaphysical connection between the members. Does it follow from the

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would we expect that it would be that way?

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Speaker 2: Because you're used that I don't like the human species.

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a very it's not a scientific, scientifically robust categorization.

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just on a gut level, there has to be something

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even know what that means? What you think is a

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's there's classifications based on biology. A cat

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Speaker 2: Okay, so can you give me that definition?

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God with a rational soul and a body, and a

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the qualities that make that nature what it is. So

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Speaker 2: Fair play, I still don't. I guess I'd have to

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aren't there's no such thing as universal human nature. There's

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Speaker 2: I just the term human, I think, and maybe I've.

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have souls and can go to heaven, that's like, that's

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that sets it apart from any other categorization. Is that

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a species. But so are there species or no species?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I guess maybe I presented it wrong. Maybe don't

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throw out the categorization of human. Just why are some

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of these other groups which some people would say, once again,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, amongst dogs, don't you get a variation

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So why would so from that, would we throw out

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the word dog as a classification because there's variations of

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Speaker 2: No? But okay, so then use the term homo sapien.

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Speaker 1: Human every you're like you contradict yourself every sentence. So

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I'm not understanding, Like, what help me understand what you're

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not getting? Because your argument is based on there not

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being a classification of human because of the variations amongst

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the species. The same argument applied to dogs. You say, no,

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don't throw it out. So how is make sense of this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like what I just said, human is I

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would I would put it apart. Then dog. The categorization

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Speaker 1: But you're you're now you're look that that's not the

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characteristics that aborigines lack, and so yes you did. You

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Speaker 2: Friend said that and I rejected it. I asked him.

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Speaker 1: So you then again said IQ and then backtracked it

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Speaker 2: Well, if I threw it in, I misspoke. That's not

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my contention. My contention is what's the justification for putting aber.

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the fourth time. How is it different from dog breeds?

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Speaker 2: It's totally different. I already said, like, dogs don't go

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to heaven, so that's why it's different.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, I'm sorry. Like this is a

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challenge here because you're having a hard time understanding very basic,

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distinct philosophy. The arguments premises are the same in application

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that principle, right, you don't know the difference between the

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principle of an argument and the content of the argument.

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illustrates that it doesn't work. It's an inconsistent, arbitrary usage

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of this. You don't understand that.

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Speaker 2: No, I understand it yet. So are you saying, like

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the early Church fathers. What were their writings on this?

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disconnect here? I just literally told you, like five times

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variations amongst the species. And then you just said, did

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they say that they're all the same? Do you understand

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that something can be the same or united in one

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respect and different in another respect? Again, does every member

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of a family have the same i Q, the same gifts,

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Speaker 2: No, but they'd be in the same league for lack.

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Speaker 2: Concept more well read than me.

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Speaker 1: It's not a question. It's it's a it's a ability

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to make distinct distinctions. Dude, what do you mean? It's

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Speaker 2: It's just it's I guess I'm trying to accept Christianity.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not having to call you names. Like

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where the disconnect is, Like, what is the what is

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a mother, a baby, a grandmother. Let's say the family

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has a retarded child. Is that child not a member

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of the family because he's retarded?

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Speaker 2: No, of course, And this is my this is my question.

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us once again, don't want to go on. I look

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at a subseharin. I'm like, that's not part of my family.

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Speaker 1: Talk, so like the classifications in Christian theology come out

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of a metaphysical principle that is not reducible to biology.

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Biology is why are you interrupting me?

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Speaker 1: Biology is just one component of a person. It's not

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the only characteristic and component. So you're reducing things to

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biological components. But you can't even tell me what the

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biological component is because it's not IQ. So then what

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's why signed on and asked even

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but but that's but that's not even true. And correct

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me if I'm wrong there is distinctions based on biology.

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Speaker 1: Because did I say that there's not just that? What

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the dude? I mean? I'm I didn't say there's not

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distinctions based on biology. I said that you can't have

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just too stupid, man, I can't do it. Okay, awesome, Brantley,

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what's up? I mean, if you can't make basic philosophical distinctions,

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it's not gonna work. I just I don't understand if

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you make four or five different analogies and the person

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what to say. What's up?

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Speaker 1: The assumption seems to be that you can only classify

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things one way, and if there's differences amongst those classes,

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then there's no class, which is just like it's too

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stupid to even. It's too stupid to even. I mean,

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there's there's differences between males and female. Right, Let's have

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a high IQ white woman and a high IQ white dude. Well,

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they have pretty significant differences. One has a penis, one

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has a vagina, and totally different inner pipe workings. Oh well,

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I guess that there's no such thing as male and

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female now because you can't. You can't classify male and

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female as together part of the human species. It's just

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Luco me and Doras, Me and Doras. When you explain

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something like five times with five different analogies, what's up?

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What's funny is that like that guy thinks he's superior

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when he literally has the IQ maybe a little bit

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above the sub Saharan African. What's up?

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Speaker 4: Hello? Ye all right, is there a specific thing you

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wanted to debate since you asked me to?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the other one talking a bunch of shit,

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So why don't you make good on your claims?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Which claim?

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Speaker 4: Because I was supposed to just make fun of him.

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I wasn't like making a theological argument, So.

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Speaker 1: You don't actually have an argument against any of my positions.

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Speaker 10: You just have jokes I wasn't making I was just

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making fun of fun of him for converting about over instance.

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Speaker 4: And then he said, asked.

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Speaker 10: Me to debate you, Suah, I do have the the

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theological disagreements with you.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to there's something you want to talk

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about because I have a couple questions for you.

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Speaker 10: All right, So why why did the Orthodox reject PSA

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penis substitutionary toment and original sin?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: PSA is anti trinitarian?

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Speaker 4: First of all, all right, could you explain that?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Do you believe that Jesus was damned on the

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cross like most of the classical reformers.

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Speaker 4: Damned on the cross to to pay the debt?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: He paid the debt?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Was the debt damn nation?

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Speaker 4: Dam nation to hell?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, okay. So Jesus is a divine person

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and the Father damned him? Yeah, okay, So how does

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does that split the trinity?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Jesus is damned by the father, but it

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doesn't split the trinity. Yes, how does that work? Did

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the father cease to endwell the son?

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Speaker 4: The father cease to dwell the son?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Oh, so the father went to hell too, No.

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Speaker 4: Because only the person of Jesus went to hell.

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Speaker 1: But the father dwells the person of Jesus.

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Speaker 4: The Orthodox don't think Jesus.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to answer it. Don't change the question.

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Explain to me what you what you mean by TSA.

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Why are you changing the subject.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to change the subject.

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Speaker 1: You are. I'm explaining to you why it's an anti trinitarian,

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blasphemous doctrine. So you just told me Jesus was damned.

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The father still in dwells the son. But the father's

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not damned. Yes, the father is not damned, okay, but

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he dwells the son, does he? You know what the

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doctrine of Paracorisa says? Okay, So you don't know basic

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Christian theology, but you're here to tell me what's right

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and what's wrong. So how does the father cease to

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dwell the son if he's not going to be in

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hell with the son?

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Speaker 4: He doesn't cease to the son, I.

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Speaker 1: Said, okay, So then he goes to hell with the son.

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Speaker 10: And I guess his being his being?

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Speaker 1: So who's damning who?

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Speaker 4: The father damns the son to hell?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Is the Holy Spirit damned too?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so hot? But I thought the trinity do the

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does the do the persons in dwell one another?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So when the Holy Spirit and the Father are

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in dwelling the son, are they in dwelling him in hell?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 10: Not everything that happens to the son happens to the father.

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In some sense, it does, but you can't, but you

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wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 1: Did the father turn his will against the son?

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Speaker 4: The father turns will against the son?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Okay? So how many wills are there in the trinity?

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Speaker 4: Now, I'd say one?

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Speaker 1: But uh, oh, wait a minute, how does their one will?

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When the father the father turns his will against the son, and.

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Speaker 10: The father turns his will against the son to send

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the son to hell? Will the son is submitting to go.

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Speaker 4: To hell with him?

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Speaker 1: So how many wills do?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: You just said he turned his will against the son.

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So is there too will.

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Speaker 2: Turn the son?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Because the son's will Is.

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Speaker 1: So you're insane. So you've blasphemed. You've blasphemed God right

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now by saying that Jesus is damned to hell, which

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nobody taught until your heretic Martin Luther taught it. And

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that's to rescue this ridiculous idea that the payment is

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paid by the person paying off another person. So you

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think that the father is paid off by damning the son.

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Speaker 10: But the father is paid off. I don't know if

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I would paid off, but like Satis.

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Speaker 1: So you don't believe in penal substitutionary talement and the

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paying of the infinite debt.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, find yes, I would saying that he did.

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Speaker 5: Pay them off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's payment between the father and the son,

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and this is still trinitarian. Who pays the spirit?

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Speaker 4: Who pays the spirit?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: This is there there are things that happen in the

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trinity that is between two persons and not between three.

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Speaker 4: No, I guess not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So who paid the Holy Spirit?

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Speaker 4: Who paid the Holy Spirit?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 1: I guess this is why p s A is blasphemous

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and insane.

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Speaker 10: So you want to move on put in the payment

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be between all of them, because they're all slighted.

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Speaker 1: All they're all paying. That makes a lot more sense.

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Speaker 10: The son pays the debt to the being of God,

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to the Father, the Father in like a direction sense,

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but the whole being of God slighted.

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Speaker 1: So there's a debt to the being of God. Jesus

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pays the debt to the Can you name anybody that

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taught this before Luther? No, I'm not going to name

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it right because nobody taught it because you believe in

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a stupid heresy. That's one I would say, where do

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Where did Paul teach that Jesus paid a debt to

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the being of God?

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Speaker 4: Probably Romans five?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got Romans five? Here? Can you explain where

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in Romans five there's anything like that?

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Speaker 4: All right? Uh, this is one chapter or so let

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me look through it real quick.

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Speaker 1: So you're not familiar with basic Christian Trinitarian theology. You

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didn't know what pair of cariesis was. But you're gonna

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tell me that Jesus is damned by the Father, the

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Father and the Spirit and dwell him, but they're not damned.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm gonna say what my church teaches.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going, what is it?

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Speaker 1: What is your church?

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Speaker 4: The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran said.

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Speaker 10: It, Okay, I mean like, just because I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Like you don't know anything. Where in Romans five is

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the paying of damnation debt to the being of God.

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Speaker 10: I'm trying to find the second Adam verse, but I'm

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bringing a point by point which.

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Speaker 11: Is not.

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Speaker 1: How does second Adam teach you that Jesus paid a

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damnation debt to the being of God?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 10: So since I'm not finding it right now, by one

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man uh entertained and then through one man all we're

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all forgiven?

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Speaker 4: Is my para face the diavors.

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Speaker 1: What is Where does that say that Jesus paid a

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damnation debt to the being of God.

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Speaker 4: Because he reconciled us.

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Speaker 1: None of that says anything about paying a damnation debt

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to the being of God. That doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 10: Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,

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so also one righteous act resulted in justification in life

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for all people. For just as through the disobedience of

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one man, and that many were made centers souls of

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the obedience of the one man.

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Speaker 1: Where does that say that, where does that say that

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the divine person of the Son went to Hell?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so last time you got upset when I asked

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this question.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not upset your Your statements are just insanely

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heretical and you don't even realize what you're saying.

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Speaker 10: All right, but this is kind of uh, this is

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important to discussion. You don't think that Jesus send it

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to hell because.

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Speaker 1: I think no, I believe what the Church thought that

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descent into Hades is where he went. You believe that

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he was damned by the Father. You're a blasphemer. I

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believe that he went to Hades to preach the gospel,

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as Peter said, yeah he was yeah, yeah, No, he

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went to Hades because he went there to destroy the

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power of death. He was not damned by the Father.

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You anti trinitarian inherited?

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Speaker 4: Is it a that's christas victor?

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Speaker 3: Right what you this?

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Speaker 1: But that's called right, Yeah, that's not the doctrine that

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he was damned by the Father. He went to Hades willingly,

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not because he was damned. You can't split the trinity.

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You just said the Father damned him against You said

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the Father turned his will against the son. Thus it's

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not willingly, but the son goes willingly, then how then

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why would the father turn his will against the son?

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You literally just said that, all right.

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Speaker 10: And if somebody asked you to do something that you

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didn't want to do, but you wanted to do it

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for them, in some sense.

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Speaker 4: Your will is against that.

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Speaker 1: But in another way, you're just you have no idea

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what you're talking about. So this is this is the

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people that talk Tomac all day long at me on

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Twitter and then when they come they have no idea

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what they're talking about.

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Speaker 12: Yep, oh, hey, jing, quick questions if you quick questions.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a raised Roman Catholic.

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Speaker 2: I've been going to an Orthodox church for about a year.

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Speaker 12: But I got some questions just I want to do

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my due diligence on Catholicism just before I make any

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big decisions for some personal reasons. But okay, the biggest,

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the biggest thing that I'm kind of struggling with right now,

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just because in talking to a lot of Catholics, the

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energies kind of comes up as a thing that I

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think about a lot, or the Theophanes in terms of

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understanding the Old Testament and the New Testament.

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Speaker 4: So I know that it's been said that.

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Speaker 12: Like the Tomism is the official philosophy of the Catholic Church.

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Is that still true or is that was that in

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a like a I can't really find a document on that.

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Speaker 3: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in cyclical it's famous in cyclical Attorney Patras, Okay,

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but it doesn't know, they don't really care. So most

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of the Roman Catholics in the Vatican and the academic world,

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many of them might appreciate Thomas Aquinas, but they don't

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really care about medieval Tomistic stuff anymore. They're largely modernists.

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They don't care about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: So, because I was looking at the Catechism and I

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was trying to see what it said about the Theophanes,

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and it didn't really give a clear answer of whether

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it was a creative effector or whether it was christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, but they've already dogmatized that there's no

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uncreated energies and that Grace itself is created so of necessity.

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They will all tell you, as Tim Gordon says in

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the debate, that it's a creature.

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Speaker 12: Is that and then that that comes from trench right,

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the document of Creed to Grace or is that somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: It's in several places, but Trent is one of the places.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Absolutely, yeah. The the official doctrine

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of Tonism, as the official philosophy is Attorney Patris of

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Leo the thirteenth and I forget what year this was,

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eighteen hundreds or something, eighteen seventy nine, Attorney Patras. Now,

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who's not voilable. So you know, I don't guess it

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really matters. I like I mean, in other words, in

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Roman Catholicism, it's just another type of Protestantism where you

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pick and choose what type of Roman Catholicism you want

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it to be. You want to be you want Pacha

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Mama with rainbow flags, you got it. You want to

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pretend that you're a medieval crusader wearing templar gear, you

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got it. It's whatever you want it to be. Man Brantley,

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what's up? Shout out to Biaggio became a member. What's up?

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Speaker 13: Man, Hey, j I am curious to hear your opinion

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about the authority of the septuagen I come from a

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Protestant background, so.

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Speaker 2: My family didn't even know that it.

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Speaker 3: Was a Schofield Bible.

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Speaker 2: So like, why is.

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Speaker 14: It that the Orthodox have kept that tradition in their

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Bible and it's been completely lost through falsism and Protestantism

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Because I'd just recently gotten into it reading the septuagen

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and there's like pretty remarkable discrepancies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the early church fathers believe that it was

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a better, more reliable text of the Old Testament, like

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Justin mart and Aaron A has discussed this, because they

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would argue that what's called the Masoretic or the proto

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Masoretic text, that it would have been interpreted and retranslated,

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so to speak, to tone down anything that would refer

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to Christ. So that's there's a book by W. Jtenowit.

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There's a book called Rebooting the Bible on this that's

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about the history of the septuagen and why it's in

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the Orthodox Church. It's a good book on this. But yeah,

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the other reason is that most of the time and

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when the apostle are citing the Old Testament and their epistles,

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they're almost always citing those subtu agent.

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Speaker 14: And so when they're not, which is like what less

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than ten percent, what are.

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Speaker 1: They citing well, Matthew, for example, because his audience is Jewish,

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is going to cite the He cites what we call

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the what's the proto masoretic text?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I would just encourage anybody lifting who's like just

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getting into this to pay attention to it, because I

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think for me personally, the most striking, the most striking.

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Speaker 2: Removal is the final line of job.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that one. What's that one?

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Speaker 14: The final line of job and septuagint is and so

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it is written that he will rise up again among

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the rest that the Lord chooses. I mean, it's basically

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like a resurrection body imagery. It was totally striking to me.

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And that's the final verse that that would be removed.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that the masret texts had a

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different ending there. That's interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's just happy and full of days.

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Speaker 14: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I was wondering.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. I'm looking at the Mazaret or the The

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last verse I see is his friends that came to

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were elephas.

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Speaker 3: He saw.

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Speaker 1: The king of Timanites, Bill Dad, so far, et cetera.

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So what versus this? Okay, maybe it's it's seven, it

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was verse seventeen, it's eighteen. Maybe when Joe died he

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was old and full of days. It is written, he

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will rise with those whom the Lord resurrects. Okay, eighteen, Okay, gotcha.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean that's that's pretty uh, that's pretty striking

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imagery to not survive, you know, And and the and

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the mt post dates the Septugen by what.

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Speaker 2: Almost one thousand years?

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Speaker 4: One thousand plus years?

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Speaker 11: M M.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't even know if

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we know exactly what the data of the Masoretic is,

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but it's you know, it's post post Christ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that the book that you're that you would

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probably want to get a hold of, which is good

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is this book here called Rebooting the Bible by Doug Woodward.

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But great, great point there, Corey. What's up?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: So Jake, can you hear me? Hey, dude?

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Speaker 15: So, first of all, last time I called in, it

568
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was just really great, and I appreciate everything that you

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said to me.

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Speaker 2: I just I really have kind of ran with it.

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Speaker 15: So I'm pretty much convinced. I'm a Presbyterian for those listening,

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but I'm convinced of the essence energies distinction, especially.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to Old Testament Theophanes.

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Speaker 15: It really only makes sense to me that there could

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be physical manifestations of God if it.

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Speaker 4: Were his energies.

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Speaker 15: But I'm thinking in the New Testament context when it

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comes to the transfiguration, how is it that Moses and

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Elijah are able to be shown in physical form if

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technically they're kind of dead in an intermediary state, and

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like Moses is buried somewhere, how does that work?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, people can appear in a form you have,

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you know, Samuel appearing in the Book of Kings to Saul.

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So the fact that a person is is is a

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spirit doesn't mean they can't appear.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I guess it's it's just kind of hard for me.

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Hard for me to separate physical body from spirit. I

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guess it's it's weird. I can't imagine like a spirit

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having eyes to see your witness or a mouth to talk.

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Speaker 2: It's just I try to try.

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Speaker 15: And create a way in which it could be.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know the way.

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Speaker 1: In which it happens. What I mean, Angels can appear, yeah, true.

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Speaker 15: And I guess, And I guess angels, depending on what

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your interpretation, they can physically interact with humans.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean Hebrews says that people have entertained

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angels unaware, So yeah, of course they can physically interact.

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They do throughout the Bible.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that maybe a lot of times people

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have an assumption that somehow the word spirit or something

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being quote spiritual means that it's quote anti anti physical,

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and that's not actually the Biblical view. It's more of

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a Gnostic view.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so you couldn't throw out the idea that perhaps

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whenever they were up on the mount, that it was

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kind of like a rift in time and you were

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actually seeing them when they were currently alive, and you know,

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Jesus is just kind of showing himselves as a creator

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of the cosmos in time and everything else. But or

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is actually happening in that moment years after they were dead,

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and they were just spiritually.

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Speaker 1: Benefitted, not dead. They're alive to God and they're worshiping

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and in the presence of Christ at all times.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 1: So to be just because we're severed from our body

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doesn't mean that we have no form exactly how that works,

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we don't know, but a good question. It's brosey, Jay,

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you should pay all of up taxes because we're getting

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wage cut. Rob, Well, taxes should just go away. What's up, dude?

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Are you there?

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Speaker 3: And I got a quick question.

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Speaker 9: You made a post about something a couple of weeks

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ago about Max was the Confessor's two hundred Chapters of Theology.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to understand what you were saying.

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Speaker 9: I actually just bought the book, and so what you're

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saying that the first five chapters where he was writing

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was that.

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Speaker 2: The as that the usia the asses of.

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Speaker 9: God is not is not actualized, but the energies are.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say the inner there. I said. He says

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within the first five pages that we name God in

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two different ways. We name God in contrast to creatures,

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and in that sense, he could be called the first cause.

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But within the Trinity, in the intratrinitarian life, you can't

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call God or call the Father the first call, the

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first actualizer. So there's it's naming God in two different

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ways in himself and in contrast to creatures. Is what

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I said.

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Speaker 9: Okay, got you got you awesome? It was what you

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said it was. It was pretty helpful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the reason that matters is that Roman

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Catholics will name God in they will collapse those two senses,

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and that's where you get things like Philly oquick.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when you had posted that, I just bought the book,

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and so I can much appreciated when you said, when

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you say first five pages.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about this. The actual pages are like this,

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the chapters.

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Speaker 3: It was like the numbering.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you read the first few pages of Maximus's

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actual writing, not the introduction by the scholar whoever translated

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the actual writing of Maximus, the first five pages makes

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the argument that we name God in two different ways.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I do remember reading that.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, much appreciate, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Good question. Glad you got Glad you got that book.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 1: Here bird, what's up man? Oh the way, if you

662
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want to call in, you can call in here on

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X right here. What's up bird?

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Speaker 4: Hey, appreciate what you do.

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Speaker 16: I've been a Christian for about a year now. I

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live in a really rural area. There's no Orthodox churches

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near me. My wife and I ended up going to

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an Episcopal church that I would say is sort of

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more on the traditional side of that. But I want

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to get your take on going to a little o

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Orthodox Episcopal church. And I haven't really heard you talk

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about homosexuality, uh, and whether you can be in communion

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with openly gay or you.

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Speaker 1: Know, what are you talking about. I'm just tweeted about

675
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it today, like, what do you mean? I never thought, no,

676
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you can't go to an openly gay Episcopal church and

677
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you know, of course not Penguin. What's up totem poll

678
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sixty nine dollars. I want to do a magga debate

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on the Book of Genesis. Is it real history or

680
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is it metaphorical? This will sort sheep from the goats.

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Are you up for it? I mean, I don't see

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you in the chat, but Collin.

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Speaker 3: Hi jam yep.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 17: I've been Protestant for majority of my life, and now

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I kind of started inquiring a sort of traditional faith.

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But I'm from like a Catholic country right that there's

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Catholic churches everywhere.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sending a Catholic church.

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Speaker 17: I'm not baptized, though, but I'm getting into Orthodoxy as well,

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and I.

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Speaker 4: Just wanted to kind of ask.

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Speaker 17: You because the reason I'm thinking about Orthodoxy is you know,

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all the scandals in the Catholic Church with like the

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Pride ray and stuff. But I'm just not sure, right,

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I'm not sure, and I don't want to convert.

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to.

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Speaker 4: Become Orthodox just because of like political reasons.

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Speaker 17: Sure, So I'm just kind of in this, like you know,

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in between stage and I'm not sure where to go,

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you know, And because I like a lot of things

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about Catholicism.

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Speaker 4: I like the churches, I like the history and all

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that stuff.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I mean, is there a specific issue

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that you want to discuss or I mean I would say, yeah,

707
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I would actually encourage you to take your time.

708
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:43,519
Speaker 17: What some advice, you know, like what what what would

709
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,440
you what would you do in my situation?

710
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, obviously I think orthodoxy is true. Is

711
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,840
I'm going to tell you to continue to pursue that.

712
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,320
But you know, there might be some challenges if you're

713
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,039
in like, you know, Brazil or something. I don't know

714
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,400
where you are but from.

715
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: I'm from Slovakia, but I'm in Sugar right now.

716
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you can in European most European countries

717
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,880
you can find a good Orthodox church. So it might

718
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,679
have to go a little ways or something. But again, yeah,

719
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,760
we just keep seeking it, keep praying about it, and

720
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,119
visit orthodox church. That's the number one thing. Don't treat it,

721
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,840
don't treat it as something purely intellectual. But go and

722
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,719
actually check out an Orthodox church and spend some time there.

723
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:33,199
See which one vibes with you. Gauge what's up? Where's

724
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,719
the guy that wants to debate totem where you're at?

725
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,440
Gauge what's up?

726
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,119
Speaker 3: Hey?

727
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 18: What's up?

728
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:45,679
Speaker 11: Ja?

729
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: So I'm an ex Catholic.

730
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:53,079
Speaker 6: I've been going to define liturgy at an Antiochian parish

731
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,519
here in Texas on and off for the past year.

732
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,719
I'm pretty convinced of Orthodoxy, if I know, and I'm

733
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,320
ready to start going more consistently and become a cate Ofcuman.

734
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:08,400
I'm looking at the handouts for the catecumulate classes. I'm

735
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,119
looking at one about Mary in particular, and I'm a

736
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,639
little anxious about some of the language in it, and

737
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,559
i was hoping you could explain it to me.

738
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: I have a talk on all the Mary stuff. So

739
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,760
rather than I'm not trying to be rude, but rather

740
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,239
than like rehearsing the whole thing done many times. You

741
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,400
can watch my Mary video.

742
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,039
Speaker 19: Okay, do you.

743
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 6: Discuss the idea of Mary as mediatrix?

744
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,599
Speaker 1: No, But I mean, I'm not aware I'm familiar with

745
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,920
that in Catholic theology. Is that in I've never heard

746
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,760
that in the Orthodox liturgy.

747
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the part of the section here that I'm

748
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,559
looking at that makes me a little anxious. It just

749
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,880
sounds very Catholic to me, like very Megrigorian Garbin Doll

750
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,559
kind of thing. And I was wondering if that's just

751
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:03,079
like Catholic marry ology, she's kind of sneaking into Orthodoxy

752
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:04,880
kind of through the back door. Or is that is

753
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,960
that a term that Orthodoxy has in its tradition but

754
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:09,920
maybe has.

755
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: A different meaning.

756
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: I've never heard. I mean, it could be just I

757
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,239
don't know what the print out is or where he's

758
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,840
pulling from. But I've never heard an Orthodox person use

759
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,800
this terminology. I've only heard it in Roman Catholic circles.

760
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,800
I think it's an odd, ambiguous term, so I wouldn't

761
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,440
use it. But I also wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't

762
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320
make that like a reason not to become Orthodox because

763
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,239
you know, there's always there's always going to be in

764
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,519
your catechsis some you know, imperfections. You're going to get

765
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,360
people that are not perfect in their theology. So I

766
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,280
wouldn't make that alone an issue. But are you sure

767
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,239
it's the term mediatrix?

768
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

769
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: It discusses, you know, different ways of preferring to me.

770
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,840
You know, theo tocos ever virgin. One of them says

771
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,400
mediatrix and queen of heaven. And it has a collection

772
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,239
of quotes mostly from like I see one from Losky,

773
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,559
a couple from Gregory Palomas.

774
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just never I've just not seen a quote

775
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,760
about mediatrix. So I don't know about that, but yeah,

776
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,920
I wouldn't. I would just say, watch my merry video

777
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,559
and the rest of the terms I think or no

778
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:28,920
big deal. I would have some hesitations about mediatrix. But Willie,

779
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:37,679
what's up, Willy? You want to I'm mute?

780
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 18: Yeah, hey, so I hope you think you're hearing me

781
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,840
clearly on outside right now. But I am an Orthodox,

782
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,039
but I have an objection. I would say, or a

783
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:55,880
confusion rheteran the essence energy distinction, so our noose or

784
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,639
our ability to reason is dependent on our enlightened noose

785
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,079
correct or is it incorrect?

786
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,119
Speaker 1: No, the heart is not the reasoning faculty.

787
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 18: All right, Well, that my entire objection just pretty much

788
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,039
falls away. So then you will say them that it

789
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,079
is all growning in the logos, right or but it's

790
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:16,880
it's a reason.

791
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: Or our ability to reason is part of our human nature.

792
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,320
It's a faculty that we faculty that we have that

793
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,639
is part of what it is to be human. So

794
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,719
dogs do not have the faculty of reasoning to degree

795
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,199
that humans have it. So when we say that Christ

796
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,679
has human nature, his human nature is body, mind, soul, will,

797
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,840
and soul is a rational soul according to the Church fathers.

798
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,119
So reasoning as a faculty is a property or a

799
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:45,480
trait of human nature.

800
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:48,119
Speaker 4: All right, clear, think of them? That was all that

801
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,679
a God blessure, Thank you.

802
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:54,599
Speaker 1: We had good questions, Jason, what's up?

803
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: Hey, j can you hear me? So I had I

804
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,079
guess a couple of questions to start off with with

805
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:05,719
this one, and we'll see where we go from there.

806
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 4: I was just curious.

807
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: Because I know in Orthodox Church every bisheckt is equal.

808
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,639
Speaker 20: How does Orthodoxy justify the unresolved schism over Ukraine and

809
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,800
contain and noble who decides, like how does how do

810
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,480
they figure out which synod is right?

811
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,679
Speaker 3: Basically is that kind of right?

812
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: So, as Orthodox we believe that in time, these kinds

813
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,920
of disputes get resolved. For example, there was a recent

814
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,360
schism and I think it was Macedonia that had happened

815
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,159
for a century, and it was resolved through sinodyl Church government,

816
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,280
the same way that in most of church history schisms

817
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,159
have been solved, not through a single autocratic papacy, but

818
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,039
through time and through synods. So time is what we

819
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,599
would appeal to in terms of vindication, and in your

820
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,519
own situation in the cow Play Church, this is actually

821
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:03,280
how it happened in the first thousand years for the

822
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:03,800
most part.

823
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: All right, awesome, thank you very much.

824
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Aaron. What's up?

825
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 4: Hello, Hey, Jay, what's up?

826
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:25,119
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

827
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just got two quick questions.

828
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 21: So basically, I'm starting to look into Orthodoxy.

829
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,039
Speaker 4: And I was on the phone.

830
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,159
Speaker 21: With somebody the other day and they were basically trying

831
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:42,960
to dissuade me from going Eastern Orthodox.

832
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: And he said something about.

833
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 21: Eastern Orthodox started in like six hundred or seven hundred ad.

834
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 4: You know anything about that?

835
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really really dumb. I mean I don't like,

836
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,719
you know, I mean, we can read all the people

837
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000
before six hundred, So I don't like. I think, I

838
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,199
think you need smarter friends. But would no, I never

839
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,800
heard this argument. That's a funny one, right, And one

840
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,639
more question. I would say, just go read people like

841
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:20,400
Saint Athanasius, read the Cappadocians, read you know, John Chris System.

842
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:24,639
I mean, those are people before the year six hundred.

843
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, one more quick question.

844
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:38,199
Speaker 22: How should I respond to someone who doesn't care what

845
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,639
the church fathers say because they could all be wrong?

846
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:47,079
Speaker 1: Well could they be wrong about the Bible because they're

847
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,519
the ones that decided what books go into the Bible.

848
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,400
So that's a double edged sword that they probably don't

849
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,760
want to accept that, but they'd have to to be consistent.

850
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:11,039
So just hit them with the cannon dog. Vincate, vinca tash.

851
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:12,280
You want to umute? What's up?

852
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: Can you?

853
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 23: Ye?

854
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 11: So?

855
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 24: Yeah, I was anquering about the Christian faith and basically

856
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,000
I have a question about the divinity of Christ.

857
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,199
Speaker 2: So what is the.

858
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:33,519
Speaker 24: What qualifies Christ has given for you? I mean, is

859
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,719
it the resurrection or is it the miracles he performed?

860
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,079
Speaker 3: What is exactly the thing?

861
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Uh? He's the eternally begotten son of the Father from

862
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,760
all eternity.

863
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:46,519
Speaker 2: Like, how can you.

864
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,159
Speaker 24: Determine it from his human life?

865
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:53,199
Speaker 7: Uh?

866
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,519
Speaker 1: No, I don't argue that he's divine because he has

867
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,440
a human nature. I argue that he's divine because he's

868
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,719
revealed as the eternally begotten son of God. And John one.

869
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,519
Speaker 24: But it is the account of John Great.

870
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: How did John wan about this?

871
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 4: Is Christ divinity?

872
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: How did he know about any he it was spent

873
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:15,639
years with him as a disciple.

874
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 24: Yeah, so that's what what made him think that Christ.

875
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: Was given because he knew and in person and he Well,

876
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,280
another way to see this is that he fulfills dozens

877
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,159
and dozens of prophecies from the Old Testament.

878
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,199
Speaker 24: Uh uh huh, so like being born in Bethlehem.

879
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: And there's dozens and dozens of them. Most of the

880
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:46,440
psalms are all prophecies of Christ. Half of the Book

881
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,440
of Isaiah's chapters are about Christ and prophecies about him.

882
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

883
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,199
Speaker 24: But uh, the main thing I was hiring Christians and

884
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,920
confessions of what was any person could be performing the miracles.

885
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: That's why I said it's not just miracles. I never

886
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,920
made the argument that miracles or the proof of his divinity.

887
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,239
They're an evidence and an attestation to it. But other

888
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,320
prophets and other holy Men have have done miracles. So

889
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,119
that's why the proof has to be all of those

890
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:26,119
specific prophecies. Look up the Messianic prophecies and see that

891
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,400
there's not just two or three, there's many of them.

892
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:38,159
And what's up? Yeah, I mean most of the Book

893
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:42,800
of Isaiah like prophecies of Christ. And what's up? I mute?

894
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,559
Speaker 2: Oh?

895
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 25: Hello, uh huh, hey, Jay, I had a question, not

896
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,519
much of a debate here, but I'm having some problems here.

897
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I thought, you mom, are you ann? Are you a

898
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,320
male or a female?

899
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,079
Speaker 2: Oh?

900
00:46:59,119 --> 00:46:59,679
Speaker 4: I'm a male.

901
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 25: I'm just a fan of Anne Culcher.

902
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,119
Speaker 1: Oh okay, never mind, gotcha, go ahead.

903
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 25: But okay, Well, personally, I'm having some problems here at

904
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,880
my local parish as well as at home with my parents.

905
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:17,880
I guess I'll start with my mom first. She's a

906
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:23,320
very very heavy Protestant person right now, and every time

907
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,079
she sees my icons or anything, he starts to get

908
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,719
mad at me and starts to tell me all these

909
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,360
weird different things, and I was wondering what advice you

910
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,760
can give me to help me with that.

911
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,679
Speaker 1: Okay, well, don't argue with your parents, to try to

912
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,920
love them and be sweet to them, because they're never

913
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,599
going to You're never going to argue your parents at

914
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,559
a position. Guys, we're taking calls today if you disagree,

915
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,679
So it's not private advice day. I'm not mad at

916
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:51,360
that guy. I'm just saying, like, that's not what we're

917
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,280
doing today. We're not doing practical wisdom day. It's if

918
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,000
you're a Catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Mormon, Anglican, or anything else

919
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,679
else and you disagree, that's what we're doing today. Paul,

920
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,159
what's up.

921
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,519
Speaker 4: Hello? Yeah.

922
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 26: I would say, like I identify with about I'm an

923
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,280
inquirer for Orthodoxy. I would agree with probably ninety percent

924
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,400
of the theology and stuff like the philioque and the iconography.

925
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,559
But I feel like this is an objection I've heard

926
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:31,199
from some Protestants that like, if you go into one

927
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:34,440
of the true churches, you're still using your own interpretation

928
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,920
every day to grant yourself to be in that church.

929
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: Like, isn't it kind of like the same thing with Protestants.

930
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: No, it's different because it's the means that are different.

931
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:50,000
Everybody's going to be interpreting the text as an individual directly, yes,

932
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,840
But the difference between you and a Protestant, or between

933
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,760
us and a Protestant or a Roman Catholic, is that

934
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,280
we have different means. We use the Holy Spirit guiding

935
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,199
us through scripture, tradition, councils, church fathers, et cetera. Protestants,

936
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:07,440
it's the scriptures and the Holy Spirit. For Papists it's

937
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,639
the pope's teachings and the Holy Spirit. So at the

938
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,960
end of the day, everybody's in the same boat. Where

939
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,880
we differ, where we disagree is the means. And that's

940
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why we have to look to history to see, well,

941
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,239
what were the means that were used in the first

942
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,920
thousand years. Did everybody just default to the pope? Did

943
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,519
everybody read their own private Bible scrolls, or did they

944
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,119
go to the local Orthodox Catholic church. So, guys, today

945
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,360
I'm looking for people to disagree. So it's not the

946
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:47,599
day for basic inquirer questions. What's up, man, Oh my bad,

947
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:49,639
what's up?

948
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 27: I kind of just had a well to start off with,

949
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,239
I'm a cdic human. I've been going to an Orthodox

950
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,280
church for about a year, and I've watched.

951
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,639
Speaker 2: A good amount of your stuff, and I would say

952
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:01,000
that I've.

953
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Speaker 4: Learned a decent bit.

954
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 27: I came from an evangelical background, so it's a there

955
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,639
was definitely a lot of baggage I had to shut

956
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:11,800
off and something like it's I mean, granted, like like

957
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,639
I said, I'm I good when Orthodox Church.

958
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:16,159
Speaker 4: I submit to the teaching. It's just kind of something

959
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:16,360
that I.

960
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,039
Speaker 2: May need more clarification on.

961
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,039
Speaker 27: Is just like the whole Like certain Protestant apologists online

962
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,079
like doctor Gavin ort Lyn and.

963
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 28: Stuff like that.

964
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,639
Speaker 27: They'll dispute, Uh, what is it the story of the

965
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,159
door mission of the thea tokos Because like they'll they'll

966
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,039
bring up things. You know, well, if this is such

967
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,079
a huge big thing, why was it like never mentioned before?

968
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,119
Speaker 4: Said year after?

969
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,519
Speaker 1: Just to apply the same argument to the canon of scripture.

970
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,280
If solar scripture is the foundation of the church as

971
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,199
they believe, then why wasn't there a fixed canon of

972
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,880
scripture from day one? Why didn't Jesus fix the canon?

973
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000
So just take their double standard and apply it to them. Gorbon,

974
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:56,480
what's up?

975
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,199
Speaker 4: Hello?

976
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,119
Speaker 1: Hija.

977
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:09,519
Speaker 22: I don't have an argument per se, but I'm not Orthodox,

978
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,719
I'm not Catholic or anything. I just noticed this interesting

979
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,760
difference between the beliefs. The Last Supper you have in

980
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,320
Orthodoxy they have leaven bread, they have risen live bread,

981
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,199
and then for Catholicism they have those fucking wafers that

982
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,840
have the stamp on them, right, and they put it

983
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,360
up to the sun with the monstrance. It's like an eclipse,

984
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,000
but it's a fucking wafer instead of the moon.

985
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,119
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

986
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:43,039
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's supposed to

987
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,719
be directly anything to do with worshiping the sun, but

988
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,920
I think that they you know, the Jesuits were big

989
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,480
promoters of the idea and the counter reformation of eucharistic adoration,

990
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,920
which I think is Orthodox we really see as nonsensic

991
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,960
because outside of the context of the liturgy and the

992
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,320
communal celebration, it really doesn't make sense to have the

993
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:11,039
separate devotional service where we all just come and worship

994
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,280
the host. It just it just doesn't make sense. But

995
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,199
the motivations that the Jesuits had to do that was

996
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,440
to combat Protestantism in the counter in the period of

997
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:33,320
the counter Reformation. Caleb, it's not a fish hat.

998
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 5: What's up, man, Hi, I just wanted to make a

999
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,440
quick comment on the on the whole thing that's been

1000
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,280
happening with like cleave to antiquity.

1001
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: I noticed something that you had brought up before.

1002
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 5: In a video that I mean a lot of these

1003
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,880
like online Protestant dudes will like try to act like

1004
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,199
they're so pious and so holy and so nice, like

1005
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,199
so much nicer than you. Once something like this happens.

1006
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,320
I mean, they were touting this guy as like the

1007
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,800
biggest like Protestant apologist out there. Yeah, and then now

1008
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,880
that he's like going through this process, it's like all

1009
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,480
the slander. Like I've never talked to non dy Nams ever. Again,

1010
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,679
I'm never having anyone on my channel that's not like educated,

1011
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,480
like all this like nasty stuff, but it really exposes

1012
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:27,599
like a lot of their true character.

1013
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, I appreciate that you notice that, and

1014
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,840
you know, it's good to hear that that he's made

1015
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,119
this move towards Orthodoxy, and I hope he you know

1016
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,760
continues and he you know comes into the church and uh,

1017
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,079
I think that's it's it takes a lot to admit

1018
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,400
that you're wrong, and you know that you're gonna get,

1019
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:55,320
you know, a lot of this heat, You're gonna get

1020
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,199
a lot of hate, a lot of flak. I was

1021
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:01,239
looking for that video, but it's not popping up.

1022
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, But like I mean, guys like like Riden Zumer,

1023
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,559
who's like obviously very young and whatnot. Like I even

1024
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:15,079
noticed he took down his his original video about cleeved antiquity,

1025
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,719
and it's like very upset about him, and it's.

1026
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:20,679
Speaker 4: Not uniquely him, Like there're a lot of them are.

1027
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,679
Speaker 5: All doing this right where it's just like we'll will

1028
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,719
like sort of idolize this guy and like prop him

1029
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,199
up when when.

1030
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:29,679
Speaker 2: We need him.

1031
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 5: But now all of a sudden, he's like he smelled

1032
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,280
his way to Orthodoxy or he's just like he's some

1033
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:38,719
uneducated nandy nam you know.

1034
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he was fine, you know, a month ago,

1035
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,360
and now he's he's the worst thing ever. Right So yeah, good,

1036
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,280
good point. Caleb, appreciate that. Yeah, I think it does

1037
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,239
show kind of the hollow nature of the criticism of

1038
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,920
oh DIYers is mean when you know now they're all

1039
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:07,000
extremely mean because you know they're one of their heroes

1040
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,360
has converted. But temple are five dollars day. I have

1041
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,000
a Greek church in Oca church. I visited both. I

1042
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:18,840
like the priests. What do you recommend? I mean, you know,

1043
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,280
you guys can make your own decisions, man like I don't.

1044
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,960
I can't tell you what your local parishes are like,

1045
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,199
So you're gonna have to choose. You know, which one

1046
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,079
you think is a better you know, spiritual fit, spiritual

1047
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,320
father person for you, if that's where you find your

1048
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:36,440
your spiritual father.

1049
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 9: No.

1050
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,559
Speaker 1: One two dollars. When do we get a Mormonism video?

1051
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,559
I mean I think, I mean Jim Bob and I

1052
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:48,159
did a three or four hour Mormon livestream. I mean,

1053
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,920
how many times do we have to cover the same stuff? Like,

1054
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,440
I don't like if you if you still find Mormonism

1055
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:57,000
convincing after you know that Joseph Smith wrote himself into

1056
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,199
the Bible, there's not much I can do to help you, Like,

1057
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,119
I can't really, I can't really help you.

1058
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: Uh?

1059
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: Is this the guy who called in earlier? You want

1060
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:13,840
to call in again? Go ahead?

1061
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, Jim?

1062
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:19,599
Speaker 29: Uh?

1063
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: First off, yeah, I don't think I represented myself too well,

1064
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
last time I was kind of nervous the first time

1065
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,280
I ever did any of these things up. I listened back.

1066
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,599
You mentioned, like the distinction there is rational soul. Is

1067
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:32,079
that correct?

1068
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:35,639
Speaker 1: Like, that's what determines I mean, it's one of the

1069
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,679
characteristics of what makes up human nature. So for us,

1070
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,320
human nature would be derived from our Christology, the way

1071
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,360
that the Bible and the Councils teach that Christ had

1072
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,400
a fully human nature, meaning he possesses a fully human

1073
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:58,159
body mind, the soul, and will. Okay, so every human

1074
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:01,039
being has a body, mind, soul, and well, whether they're

1075
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:04,639
a ninety eight year old person about to die, a

1076
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,559
fifty year old track star in peak, forty year old

1077
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:15,920
track star in a post peak position physically, or a

1078
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,840
baby that's two years old that's not yet exercising those

1079
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,599
a baby that's two months I should say, they have

1080
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,079
those qualities which make them what they are, even if

1081
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:30,840
they are not yet actualized or if they are in decline,

1082
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,760
because those are inherent qualities that make that nature what

1083
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,360
it is. So we believe in natures, and natures are

1084
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,719
defined by the things that make them what they are,

1085
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,159
not another thing. So those things are essential to human nature.

1086
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,360
Those things are not found in animals. Animals have natures,

1087
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,239
but they do not have human nature, so it's a

1088
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:52,360
metaphysical category.

1089
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: Okay, But would you agree that there is a biological

1090
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,719
aspect to that, just because, like you said, animals do

1091
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,039
not have so there is some like biology.

1092
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: Biology of course, yeah, I mean the bodily aspect is

1093
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,559
a biological ass mak sure, okay.

1094
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,519
Speaker 2: And so like, what do you know Evola at all?

1095
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,559
Speaker 1: I don't, Yes, I've read, and like, what what is.

1096
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:16,199
Speaker 2: Your reputation of like his idea that like like biology.

1097
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:21,639
I guess maybe I'm extrapolating and not representing him well,

1098
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,079
but what I took from it was material and spiritual

1099
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,840
can't be separated completely. And I don't even know if

1100
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,360
the creation.

1101
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't believe they are totally separated. I mean, man

1102
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,159
is intended to be a whole. He's intended to be

1103
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,400
body and soul, and that's why for us, death is

1104
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,519
a bad thing. It's unnatural because it's the severing of

1105
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,639
the soul from the body. So I would agree with

1106
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,960
the phrase of Evola that you can't separate spirit in matter,

1107
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:45,400
but that doesn't mean that they're identical.

1108
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so then wouldn't is it is it

1109
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,079
fair to say that that your material manifestation on this

1110
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:57,079
plane had like there's some connotation with your spiritual quality

1111
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,119
as well? Is that like, because I believe that's what

1112
00:58:59,119 --> 00:58:59,480
E is.

1113
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I don't think we can have a reductionist

1114
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,480
view where we identify man with biology or reduce them

1115
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,519
to biology. But in many cases, yes, even negative traits

1116
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:15,639
can manifest physically. For example, a person who has a severe,

1117
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:21,280
you know, addiction to food and they're overweight, right, you

1118
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,639
have an inner vice, the spiritual problem that is in

1119
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:30,079
that case manifesting physically and somebody is significantly overweight.

1120
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 29: Absolutely, But couldn't that also be pushed to primes like

1121
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,719
couldn't what to prime? So like before birth or before manifestation,

1122
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,679
Like say, like, couldn't it be argued?

1123
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not arguing this, I'm just asking a question,

1124
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:48,559
like someone born in a good situation versus someone born

1125
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:51,639
in a very bad situation, Like, couldn't it be argue

1126
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:54,480
that maybe that person that was given the good situation

1127
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:58,159
has some sort of spiritual quality that the one born

1128
00:59:58,199 --> 00:59:59,639
in the bad situation.

1129
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't, like karma or something.

1130
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, that would be I don't want to

1131
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:07,559
use that.

1132
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:07,719
Speaker 20: Well.

1133
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we believe that God has within his infinite wisdom,

1134
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,840
you know, knowledge of all divine providential situations, but we

1135
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,119
don't believe in the pre existence of souls. So like

1136
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,599
you know, no, it wasn't from some previous life that

1137
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,800
that person was placed into an aborigine tribe or something.

1138
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: No, that's yeah. I think that My last thing would

1139
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,320
be I guess that kind of approaches it, which is

1140
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,360
what is the justification for like no hierarchy among quote

1141
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,360
unquote human rationals. So it was like, why on the

1142
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,679
other plane in Christian and correct me if I'm wrong.

1143
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,960
In Christian the Christian framework, everyone's equal.

1144
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,079
Speaker 1: So I never said that. I said multiple times to

1145
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,440
you that people can be equal in one way and

1146
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:58,920
unequal in other ways, just like members of a family

1147
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,519
can be equal in the sense that they are all

1148
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,039
humans and share the nature that they have, but that

1149
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:08,679
nature can manifest in different ways and in different talents,

1150
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:12,000
different gifts. In the same way that dogs are all dogs.

1151
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,679
Some of them are tiny, some of them are massive.

1152
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,119
There's different breeds. You could use the analogy to human beings.

1153
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like on a spiritual clan.

1154
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:29,039
Speaker 1: Hierarchy between Well, I think that some civilizations and people

1155
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:33,760
groups have accepted the truth and then thus express a

1156
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:39,239
higher kind of civilization and ethos than others. So, for example,

1157
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:43,440
the Spanish, and I'm going to use them as an

1158
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,239
example because I'm not Roman Catholic, but I think that

1159
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:52,280
the Spanish brought a much better spiritual reality to the Aztecs,

1160
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,719
who were sacrificing human beings every day. So that was

1161
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:03,679
a better civilizational culture that was brought to replace a demonic, disgusting,

1162
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:08,880
degenerate culture. And so that was a step up absolutely.

1163
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,199
Speaker 2: But like if an Aztec and whatever other higher civilization

1164
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,599
in this context, their souls, their human rational souls, are

1165
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:19,800
the same.

1166
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,679
Speaker 1: Well we don't. We don't equate this that to the soul,

1167
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,760
right because everybody has a soul. But the distinction here

1168
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,760
has to do with grace, and so in this regard,

1169
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:36,159
it's not only biology. There are biological differences between people groups, obviously,

1170
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:39,960
but I also think that there's an influence in an

1171
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effect that is quote spiritual that I'm not equating to

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the soul. The spiritual here is the influence of God

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and the Holy Spirit and the Church.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so then it just makes a question like, what's

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the justification.

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Speaker 4: Is it right to say that the soul?

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Speaker 2: If we could move to the soul now that human

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rational soul is equal across all biological manifestations, that's.

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Speaker 1: Correct, right, Well, it's equal in that everybody possesses it,

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but in the same degree, but it's uniquely utilized by

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the individual persons that have it. Or you could argue

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to the different societies or tribes or groups. So everybody

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has a soul, but you might have a culture or

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society that's more prone to certain vices or certain traits,

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and that might have a biological component, it might have

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a spiritual component, it might have a soul component. You

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could say. So for example, I don't know, Let's say

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there's some tribe in Africa that is addicted to worshiping

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some deity that requires human sacrifice, and the human sacrifice

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then causes the people to have koru disease, right, because

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you can't eat human meat and not get sick if

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you do this for a long time, and so you

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get a degenerate to effect on say this tribe as

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an example over many centuries. I would say in that case,

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you're getting a combination of demonic diet biology all playing

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into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but like and correct me if I'm asking the

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same question, Like, if we move to the spiritual realm,

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like the Kingdom of Heaven, everyone every human being is

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basically they're misery by the weight of their sins, of course,

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but like in the kernel of the valuation, everyone is equal.

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Is that a fair statement.

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Speaker 1: In the sense of everybody everybody being sinners, Yes, but

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not everybody is the same equality of ciner No. And

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in the resurrection, Paul says, there will be varying degrees

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of blessedness based on you know, recapitulating the virtues and

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living the life of grace. So not everybody in heaven

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is equal.

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Speaker 2: No, Okay, So the soul is like mutable based on

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your actions within the material plane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I say the soul is like a tool. Like

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the soul is you know, your inner the inner man,

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the inner mind, the life of the mind, et cetera,

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which can be a tool of the virtues or a

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tool of devices. And so if you make it a

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conduit of vices, you're misusing your soul and deforming it.

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Speaker 28: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that the only thing that I really get

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something is the human rational soul, which I guess I

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got to read up on.

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Speaker 4: Just because there is.

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01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to think about that more.

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Speaker 4: But but thanks for your time then sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I apologize for getting impatient earlier. Barefoot, what's up?

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,280
Neurisa fifty dollars one hundred percent? Agree? Your metaphysical traits

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,079
can absolutely be manifested. If you're always negative, your life

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01:05:55,079 --> 01:06:00,119
will be crap. Yeah, I mean without you know, adopting

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01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:06,079
wholesale like the whole uh what's that stupid Oprah book

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01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,320
The Secret? Like, I'm not going full Oprah here, But

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01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:16,480
if you are constantly negative and constantly you know, I mean,

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that would just be manifesting a vice, you know, advice

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of envy or advice of anger or hatred or whatever, like,

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01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:30,000
you will consistently draw that type of a vibe or

1235
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,679
energy to you. What's up, man? No, it's not new

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01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:37,920
age if I mean, that's that's just a basic fact, right,

1237
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:42,320
Like if you are like to like, if you're wicked,

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,639
you're gonna draw it more wicked people to you. What's up, man, Brandon?

1239
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:49,880
You when I mute or barta Barefoot, excuse me?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 21: J Hey, hey, I don't know if this is a

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01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,639
little bit off topic, but how do you feel about

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brother Nathaniel?

1244
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:04,719
Speaker 1: I think he's an insane person.

1245
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:12,719
Speaker 21: Well, I would like to challenge you to reconsider that notion.

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Speaker 1: Being well, I mean he literally said, like a couple

1247
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,639
of months ago that Orthodox he doesn't teach thiosis. So

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this is for a person that's supposed to been Orthodox

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01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:22,840
monk for twenty years. That's per it's pretty insane.

1250
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,079
Speaker 21: Okay, I'll tell you what I would. I would call

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him out of man.

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01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: But no, why why am I supposed to rethink and

1253
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,159
reassess and have some kind of debate with a person

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who just constantly calls me out for the stupidest shit.

1255
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,639
And it's just the good If you don't have the

1256
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:41,800
discernment to see a person that's mentally unstable, like what,

1257
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:42,840
I can't help you, man.

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01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,519
Speaker 21: So I'm not asking you to, you know, debate him

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01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:47,199
again or anything.

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Speaker 1: I just why would I want to associate with mentally

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insane people.

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Speaker 21: I'm not saying you should associate with him either, I

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01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:01,960
just rethink it to rethink your label as writing him

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off as insane.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, if you can't discern an insane person,

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then I can't help you, and you might be insane.

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Speaker 21: I might be too, I don't know, but you know

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the reason is I've actually met him in person and

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been getting to know him, and he's a little intense.

1270
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He yet has a touch and edge of insanity, but

1271
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he's actually very well.

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Speaker 1: There you go, thank you. So yeah, I'm good. I'm

1273
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all good. You can have all the fun you want

1274
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with him, pabl. What's up? You notice he admitted that

1275
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,000
when he met him he's kind of crazy, So thank you? Exactly?

1276
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:39,479
What's up? Pabel? I'm not taking care of chemic questions.

1277
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What's up? Regenerate? Here we go, Regenerate. You want to unmute? Hello? Unmute?

1278
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,039
Let's see. I thought we had a Protestant dad who

1279
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was going to come and talk to me, but he

1280
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,960
won't unmute. Do y'all not know how to unmute? I mean, like,

1281
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:36,319
we won't try again? What's up? Man? The one guy

1282
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,079
that was just waiting for like the last thirty minutes.

1283
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:40,640
I was about to go to him, and then why

1284
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,920
would you drop all? He dropped off right before us.

1285
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:45,079
You've been waiting all this time, dude, and then you

1286
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:47,239
dropped off. What the heck methodist. What's up?

1287
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Speaker 3: Hello? Yep, Hey, So I just had some questions about kind.

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Speaker 30: Of some the differences between Orthodox and Catholic theology, but

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more so different arguments that you've made against the Catholic theology.

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Speaker 1: I'm not Catholic.

1291
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:05,119
Speaker 3: I'm just watched some of your.

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Speaker 30: Videos that I'm interested about. Okay, what you would say

1293
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:10,640
against my argument? Against your argument? Typically, you know, you

1294
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,199
make the argument against their like they have they don't

1295
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,720
know whether it's a seed that turns into a tree

1296
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or if their dogma was there from the beginning. Well

1297
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didn't did the patriarchates?

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Speaker 1: That was a development?

1299
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Speaker 2: Right?

1300
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Speaker 3: What the patriarchates?

1301
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Speaker 1: The patriots?

1302
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:28,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1303
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: Was it a development? It's a it's a canonical development

1304
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,279
within the canons.

1305
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 30: Yeah, sure, okay, So I was just wondering if that

1306
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,239
can develop, then why would the papasty not be able to?

1307
01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 3: Yes?

1308
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,119
Speaker 1: So do you understand what the argument was that I made,

1309
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:49,199
because you just did a too quote way and it's

1310
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:53,840
not even equivalent arguments. Okay, Okay, do you understand what

1311
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:54,439
I'm saying or not?

1312
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 30: Okay, So you're saying that basically accidentally misrepresenting the thing

1313
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:00,720
being a little hypocritical.

1314
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: No, what is the argument that you think that I made.

1315
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 30: That since it has developed and it was not there

1316
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,000
from the beginning of time, and that they have an

1317
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:12,399
inconsistency with whether or not they even though in and

1318
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,119
of themselves whether or not it was there from the

1319
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beginning of time.

1320
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Speaker 1: No, that wasn't the argument. I said. There's two conflicting claims.

1321
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,920
On the one hand, the claim is that the teachings

1322
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of Vatican One were always there from the very beginning,

1323
01:11:25,319 --> 01:11:29,439
as Leo the thirteenth says. That's a contradiction with the

1324
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,279
claim that it wasn't always there from the beginning and

1325
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:36,119
it was a seed doctrine that developed. That's the argument.

1326
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 30: Okay, So they're saying that it was not always there,

1327
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:40,159
not that it was always.

1328
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,159
Speaker 1: There, and they do they're saying two different things.

1329
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 30: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, And just one more thing

1330
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,279
about icons. It was just kind of confused about different

1331
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:54,640
things that we're talking about icons. Okay, in terms of

1332
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,760
the prayer going over the icon and it goes to

1333
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:58,279
the host.

1334
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,319
Speaker 3: That that's correct in terms of the saints.

1335
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,199
Speaker 1: Because over the.

1336
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:08,520
Speaker 30: Thees, yeah, yeah, it goes over the the icon and

1337
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he goes.

1338
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,359
Speaker 1: To it passes to from the type to the prototype,

1339
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:20,680
not to the host Roman Catholic language. Okay, well, go ahead.

1340
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,560
Speaker 30: So typically you make the argument of where they bowed

1341
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,840
down and worship the arc, like, just so that I'm

1342
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,479
not actually misrepresenting anything.

1343
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: They don't worship the arc, they revere it, right, would.

1344
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 30: It not be different since the presence of God is

1345
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:36,479
on the arc?

1346
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,119
Speaker 1: Well, the presence of God is in the liturgy and

1347
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in the icons.

1348
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 30: Right, So that's so the connection is God is not

1349
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,159
the same sin, that's what you're saying.

1350
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 3: Okays.

1351
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: The Saints are the deified members of Christ's body, so

1352
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,600
they're living relics, right.

1353
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,319
Speaker 4: I was just confused as to how.

1354
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Speaker 30: How so they're not on the present and God is

1355
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,439
you know how everyone having the same icon all around?

1356
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Speaker 1: Right, So if you read it, right, if if you

1357
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,760
read Revelation five through nine, and I have a whole

1358
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video on this, the saints, the saints are in the church,

1359
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in the liturgy, alive, worshiping with us. But thank you

1360
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:32,359
very questions, regenerate, what's up? I'm you? Did you turn

1361
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:41,319
your mic permissions on? Dog? Come back out, come back

1362
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:43,760
in man, you gotta turn your mic permissions on what's up?

1363
01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:45,439
Meta logician.

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Speaker 3: And there considering.

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,079
Speaker 21: Yeah, so basically.

1366
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Speaker 31: I was raised Orthodox Christian, but now I will be

1367
01:13:58,199 --> 01:13:59,279
arguing for atheism.

1368
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:01,399
Speaker 1: I guess I'm I'm not doing tag today. It is

1369
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:04,399
specifically not listed that I'm doing tags.

1370
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Speaker 11: So.

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Speaker 1: Doubt that. What's up? Do I need to block somebody

1372
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,239
in the chat? Who do I need to block? This's weirdo?

1373
01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:27,319
All right, he's going spamming nonsense. What's up?

1374
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:27,520
Speaker 3: Man?

1375
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: Guys? For people disagree, I'm not doing atheist tag stuff today. Catholicism, Islam, Protestism, Mormonism, Aganism,

1376
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,960
Gnosticism all on the table. Don't ask me your FAQ

1377
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:42,319
catechumen questions. Maddie, what's up?

1378
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 32: Can you hear me?

1379
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:51,239
Speaker 4: M yes, bro, I just wanted to quickly ask.

1380
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Speaker 2: It's a little bit, I guess, uh.

1381
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Speaker 4: Tags onto geopolitics. I've been listening to your.

1382
01:14:55,359 --> 01:14:58,119
Speaker 32: Sort of fabian side stuff in the past a few weeks.

1383
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Speaker 3: It's been fascinating.

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Speaker 32: I want some though, whether or not you've had a

1385
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:08,520
gander in the Tiny Mustache Man book. He references another book,

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The protocols have builded as on I don't know if

1387
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there's just some crazy conspiracy theory or anything like that.

1388
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:15,720
I you wonder if there's any I think too that

1389
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if you've had a look into that, any authenticity of

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meeting videos.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I knew I read it twenty years ago.

1392
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,239
I'm familiar with it. I'm not sure what to say, Trey,

1393
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:28,840
what's up? There could be an inner conspiracy, it could

1394
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,000
be a fraudulent document. What's up?

1395
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Speaker 3: Jay? Yeah? Oh okay?

1396
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 28: Uh?

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Speaker 4: So I called in.

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Speaker 26: Uh I'm a Presbyterian calling about Sola scriptura. Okay, are

1399
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you familiar or you read the book Robinson Crusoe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay.

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,239
Speaker 26: So on the one hand, I understand, like I haven't

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crazy aunt who teaches our living room, and I get

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01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:05,359
why that's a problem. But on the other hand, you

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,840
have like the Crusolian thing where he comes across the

1405
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,319
Bible on the island and then teaches too Friday the scripture,

1406
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:17,880
And I'm just wondering what's the protocol for solar scripture

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,720
as far as that situation, Like if you came upon

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,680
a tribe and you had a Bible and maybe you

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,159
weren't ever you know, a leader of a church or anything.

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01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,359
Speaker 3: Do you well?

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01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: I think God will meet God meets people where they're at.

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01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,640
But why would an exception to the norm somehow be

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a proof of sola scriptura. I think that's kind of ridiculous.

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01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 26: I understand that, But you wouldn't disagree that they could

1415
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,640
find Yeah, okay, so I think I got your Yeah, I.

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01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,199
Speaker 1: Mean there are you know, odd anomalies and exceptions to

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01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,039
the rule. I mean, you know, maybe a pirate picks

1418
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:01,399
up a pirate Bible and he starts reading it on

1419
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,600
the island of Tortuga, and uh, you know, he starts

1420
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,880
to believe in Christ. Right as you know, the captain

1421
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,479
Barbosa stabs him with the sword, and then perhaps he

1422
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,399
repented at the point of death, and you know, God

1423
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,640
accepts him because God met him where he was. I mean,

1424
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,760
that's entirely possible. But what where how would I get

1425
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:29,079
from that? Well, bro, solo scriptura? Man, clearly that's a

1426
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:31,239
proof right there? JR? What's up?

1427
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 33: You must be believing in solar scriptura.

1428
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: You're in one, John. We can't hear you your muffle?

1429
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:42,880
What's up?

1430
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,079
Speaker 14: Will you hear me?

1431
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:45,159
Speaker 11: No?

1432
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: Sort of you there?

1433
01:17:55,079 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Can you hear him?

1434
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 4: Uh?

1435
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,520
Speaker 34: To So the fellow who was asking about the protocols

1436
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,000
he should read Orthodoxy in.

1437
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 2: The religion in the future.

1438
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: Does he talk about that? I forgot, Yeah he does. Okay,

1439
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:11,039
I won't.

1440
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:12,119
Speaker 3: I won't get up into it.

1441
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 34: But also for any Protestants who are in the audience

1442
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:24,159
and specifically speaking to the caller, was that the Fabian

1443
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:31,039
Socialist influence on Protestantism, particularly in the twentieth century, is magnanimous.

1444
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,319
Like all all of the all of the original Fabian

1445
01:18:37,359 --> 01:18:44,399
Socialists all come from Protestant backgrounds or instrumental in inserting

1446
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,600
the Fabian socialist ideology into modern day Protestants.

1447
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: Except for Chesterton. I believe Chesterton was a member of

1448
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:54,680
the Fabian Society.

1449
01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.

1450
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:06,159
Speaker 34: But yeah, like Beatrice web and even I think, I

1451
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,079
think anti Possan before she was an accultist, she was.

1452
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: Honestism.

1453
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: But there's a document from two thousand and five that's

1454
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,840
put out by the Fabian Society.

1455
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 4: It's particularly talking about ecumenisma.

1456
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,079
Speaker 1: Like I can barely I can barely hear you, John,

1457
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:30,600
you're cutting out there's a two thousand and five document.

1458
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,319
Speaker 34: What there's a two thousand and five document by the

1459
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:35,279
Fabian Society.

1460
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 4: Uh huh, look it up.

1461
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,279
Speaker 34: That's particularly talking about acumenism.

1462
01:19:40,119 --> 01:19:42,319
Speaker 2: Being beneficial to world government.

1463
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,039
Speaker 1: No, that sounds really really interesting, do you know. Let's

1464
01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:49,840
see what it might be called.

1465
01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 34: I don't remember it off the top of my head,

1466
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,800
but I'm sure if you look up Fabian Socialist Document

1467
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,159
two thousand and five, Protestantism.

1468
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: Okay, nothing comes up for a humanism. Let's try Protestantism.

1469
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:29,000
In two thousand and five, the Fabians recommended ending the

1470
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:32,000
preferential status of the Church of England, arguing that it

1471
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:39,520
was unfair. Uh, and it didn't promote Islam. That doesn't

1472
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:39,960
sound like it.

1473
01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 34: I'll find it.

1474
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't. I don't doubt that it exists.

1475
01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:49,680
I just I just want to I want to read that.

1476
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:55,079
Speaker 34: But a lot of Protestants, and you know, being raised

1477
01:20:55,079 --> 01:21:01,239
one myself, is you don't ever think that, Like the

1478
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:05,640
way Protestantism is framed in mass culture is that it's

1479
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,720
very rigid and even within your own you know, like

1480
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,000
perception of what you think of as you know, when

1481
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:17,760
you're in a when you're Protestant, you you might even

1482
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,319
think of yourself as pretty rigid, like as far as like, oh, yes,

1483
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:24,159
I'm a fundamentalist or I'm a traditionalist.

1484
01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:26,319
Speaker 4: But the religion.

1485
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,039
Speaker 2: Itself is not even based off of.

1486
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:29,199
Speaker 3: That per se.

1487
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:35,039
Speaker 34: It's just it's all like any of the later offshoots,

1488
01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:40,079
like especially in the twentieth century, it's more focused about

1489
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,079
spreading Christianity out. But like the Christianity it's spreading is

1490
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:54,560
adaptable to any situation, to any situation. And I don't

1491
01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:02,720
I don't think Protestants actually cognated in that way.

1492
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: Flesh that out more. What you mean they don't think

1493
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,239
about the malleability of evangelical Protestantism exactly.

1494
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 34: Yeah, like they they themselves are thinking it's very rigid

1495
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:13,560
and very fundamental.

1496
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 11: Hmm.

1497
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:16,279
Speaker 4: But it's not.

1498
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: But it's not. Yeah, it's it's very able to adjust

1499
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,159
to the times, and thus it's much easier to be

1500
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:27,880
used I think by power leads is up maybe what.

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01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 34: We absolutely and that's what that's what the Fabians recognized

1502
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,760
got you and we're able to you know, manipulate it

1503
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,359
in that way.

1504
01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:39,279
Speaker 3: That's that's the point.

1505
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right that I think you know

1506
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,119
in this this comes up in the David Wimhoff book

1507
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:48,960
that he says that the rock Fillers realize that it

1508
01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:53,479
was much easier to influence Protestant and evangelical churches towards

1509
01:22:54,039 --> 01:23:00,000
accepting uh you know, contraception and birth control, abortion, uh,

1510
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,079
all those things. Than it was to get the Vatican

1511
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:08,680
on board. So they talked about how like all it

1512
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:13,079
took with with the Protestant world was like, well, we'll

1513
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:16,680
build a million dollar building over there, but you're gonna

1514
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:21,760
let the Rockefeller approved you know, seminary head be the

1515
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,800
new professor. Right, So that's how it worked. It's very easy.

1516
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,399
Even even mainline Protestants recognize this. In fact, Jay Gresham

1517
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,239
Machen wrote a whole book. I remember reading this back

1518
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:37,359
when I was a Calvinist. I think it's called what

1519
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,319
is Liberalism? But he didn't mention, you know, the Rockefellers

1520
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:43,119
by name, but he kind of figured out that like

1521
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,600
how did the pc USA, the Presbyterian Church in America?

1522
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,720
Like how do they just flip liberal so quick? And

1523
01:23:52,359 --> 01:23:55,880
the easiest answer, the obvious answer as well, big money

1524
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,159
comes in and says, start pushing skittles and you'll you're

1525
01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:05,039
going to get a ten million dollar facility, belt John

1526
01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:05,600
anything else?

1527
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,279
Speaker 4: Oh no, you can go on the next call.

1528
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, remember Rachel wrote a good article too some

1529
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:22,479
years back on her substack about the same principle where

1530
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,640
you get basically the push of the skittle stuff in

1531
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:36,039
all the churches, including an Orthodox church, through the networks

1532
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:41,720
of NGO's think tanks, white papers, found foundations, think tanks, whatever.

1533
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:59,239
Here it is how big foundation money is subverting traditional Christianity,

1534
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,920
and this, you know, just lays it all out in

1535
01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:12,239
no uncertain terms. No one two dollars. When do we

1536
01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:15,960
get another way? He asked about Mormons. No one five dollars.

1537
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:18,199
I think Mormons need to see that there are differences

1538
01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:20,720
between the early Church and what they believe. There's nothing

1539
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:26,880
to stand on. Yeah, I mean, but really, I think

1540
01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:28,800
the way that's going to have to work is like

1541
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,640
a Mormon's just going to have to go and do

1542
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,079
some of the reading. I don't if a Mormon is

1543
01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:40,479
not going to read some of the Church Fathers, they're

1544
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,680
not going to listen to me and Jim Bob talk

1545
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,119
about the Church Fathers for three hours. So Ceeus twenty

1546
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:55,359
dollars puts a I guess there's all these new emojis now,

1547
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,800
so this is some sort of Corgi samurai emoji, and

1548
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:05,319
I like it. I appreciate that. That's very cool. Guys. Also,

1549
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:07,479
if you want to support, you can do so through bitcoin,

1550
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,680
of course. This is my Bitcoin support wallet address right there,

1551
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,000
y'all on Vounder shoot five dollars. I'm on lunch at work.

1552
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,960
Thank you for doing this. Here's a five dollar hala.

1553
01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:24,560
Thank you so much. Totem Pole, don't I don't understand

1554
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,800
that you weren't saying you wanted to debate. You're saying

1555
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,279
you want me to debate Protestants and Catholics on the

1556
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:36,680
Book of Genesis. I just I don't. I don't know

1557
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,399
if anybody's really wanting to do that. I mean, I'm

1558
01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:44,680
sure there's some Protestant or Catholic who wants to debate it.

1559
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,359
But to be honest with you, man, like I'm kind

1560
01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:52,079
of I'm kind of tired of finding and trying to

1561
01:26:52,119 --> 01:26:55,560
find the Roman Catholics that want to I'm over it, man.

1562
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,600
I mean, for me, Tim Gordon was kind of the

1563
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:02,079
last one. We're at the point where it's like, if

1564
01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:05,960
you still want to be a Roman Catholic, go do it, dude,

1565
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:13,199
go be gate and I'm good. So I just don't

1566
01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:16,760
see much more point in trying to reason with people.

1567
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,720
I feel like the Tim Gordon debate was the last

1568
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,840
thing that I had to say on that topic. Now,

1569
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,960
Roman Catholics can always call in, it's always open for him.

1570
01:27:25,039 --> 01:27:27,680
But like, I'm not gonna go down go out hunting

1571
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,479
another high profile Roman Catholic because it just don't like

1572
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:39,079
who who even is there? And I'm not talking about Oh,

1573
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:41,640
you won't debate so and so with two thousand followers

1574
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,960
because you're scared talking about anybody. I know there's no

1575
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:47,560
incentive to debate a person with two thousand followers. You're correct,

1576
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,039
it's not because I'm scared. It's just another waste but

1577
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:53,720
my time, and it's giving some goober a bunch of

1578
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,319
traction that I don't want to give traction through. So

1579
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:03,479
you want to be leather Duddy ol bricked. We tried

1580
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,119
for years to set up debates with all brick. UBI

1581
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,479
tried to set up debates. All he does is play

1582
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,000
phone tag gay games with you. He's never going to

1583
01:28:11,039 --> 01:28:13,760
actually do a debate. It's not hard to set up

1584
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:18,520
a debate. We do it all the time. Scam shamou

1585
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,000
never going to do a debate. Plus he's an insane person,

1586
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:23,800
So what's the point of trying to debate? You can't

1587
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,319
debate insane people whoa won't you talk to brother Nathan

1588
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:35,680
because he's an insane person? Well, sew, what do you mean? Well, so, like, dude,

1589
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:36,640
why are you even here?

1590
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: Man?

1591
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Like, if you want to go be with insane people,

1592
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,399
go do it, dude, Like nobody's making you be here.

1593
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:48,000
Like I'm over I'm girl, I'm over it. Okay, I

1594
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:54,119
am over it, honey. I like what I talked to

1595
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:57,279
Ubi the other day and he said that, you know,

1596
01:28:57,359 --> 01:29:02,279
debating on the internet theology these days, it's not like

1597
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:04,680
it was ten years ago. Ten years ago, it was

1598
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,960
very academic. It was a lot of nerds. It was

1599
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,640
a lot of quotes, a lot of references of books.

1600
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:17,600
And nowadays, debating Roman Catholics is debating screeching sixteen year olds.

1601
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,640
It's just not because there's nobody else really that would

1602
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:31,560
be compelled to adopt that religion other than screeching teenagers.

1603
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:35,680
And I feel bad for Tim. I liked him, get

1604
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,760
along with him on a personal level really well, like

1605
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,159
his family, great family. It's why it's really cool. But

1606
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,880
I mean, we were dimming the other day and it's

1607
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,039
just like nothing that I said or argued in the

1608
01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:54,279
debate has registered, so It's like this is what it

1609
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:57,000
was like with a bar ten years ago, where you

1610
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,159
would have these long conversations. You would think you're making

1611
01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:03,520
headway in terms of you know, I just want this

1612
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,439
person to understand what I'm what I'm arguing, and you

1613
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,359
think you've made headway, and then the next day you

1614
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:14,359
never had that conversation. It's back to like repeating the

1615
01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:16,960
the Roman They're like Mina birds, right. Romancalolics are like

1616
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:21,359
the Mina birds. That's just of chirp the same phrases

1617
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,319
and it's it's it's almost like the Oprah shit. But

1618
01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:27,399
with Roman Catholics, right, Like the Roman Catholics think that

1619
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,399
if they just say this stuff, it'll manifest. If I

1620
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,800
just say that there's not a bunch of gay stuff

1621
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,479
with Pope Leo in the Vatican, it'll just manifest. Yo, dog,

1622
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,239
I'm about the manifest a base trad church.

1623
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 35: If I just gibber and gibber and repeat it on repeat,

1624
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:54,680
pete and repeat, it'll just go away.

1625
01:30:55,640 --> 01:31:00,359
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot to mention the here got to have

1626
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:01,199
a reminder of this.

1627
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:08,560
Speaker 11: Thousands of LGBT Catholics, their families and supporters have participated

1628
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,760
in a Holy Year pilgrimage to Rome. They just walked

1629
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,359
through the holy door of Saint Peter's the Silica. They

1630
01:31:14,359 --> 01:31:16,520
say this is a historic moment in the life of

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01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,159
the church and for their community. They say they have

1632
01:31:19,239 --> 01:31:22,760
long felt discriminated against, shunned by the Church, that they

1633
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,520
now feel a level of welcome and acceptance that they

1634
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,960
attribute to Pope Francis. Francis spent the better part of

1635
01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:32,079
his pontificate insisting that the Catholic Church must be a

1636
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:35,319
place of welcome to those, to those who used to

1637
01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:37,119
say these I.

1638
01:31:37,079 --> 01:31:43,039
Speaker 1: Mean say, if this doesn't like show you what the

1639
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:45,119
wrong in the right church is, like, there's no point

1640
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:47,520
in debating anymore. I mean, we're dealing with people that

1641
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,479
are like fully in delusion, like I'm done. They're like,

1642
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,560
my job is done, my job's complete.

1643
01:31:55,399 --> 01:31:59,039
Speaker 11: That they have been participating in vigils, talks.

1644
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: And masters and there's really not any reason even to

1645
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,560
interact with most of these people anyway. I'm not talking

1646
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:08,279
about Tim, I'm talking about whoever would even be Like

1647
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:15,319
Trent Horn Trent is terrible, like like he's not I

1648
01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:17,920
don't mean personally, I don't know Trent person like as

1649
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:22,319
an apologist, he's he's garbage, dude, Matt Frad. I mean, like,

1650
01:32:22,359 --> 01:32:23,439
who else is there.

1651
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 11: Isn't putting one celebrated by an Italian who drew a

1652
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,680
sustained standing.

1653
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:32,199
Speaker 3: Ovation this morning.

1654
01:32:32,319 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 1: So here they're processing the Rainbow Cross into the Vatican

1655
01:32:42,199 --> 01:32:45,920
and this was done with Leo's approval and permission. So

1656
01:32:47,119 --> 01:32:48,399
what are you talking about.

1657
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:51,199
Speaker 36: Oh, it doesn't count. The Pope didn't do it. From

1658
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:55,319
the chair doesn't code. It never counts. It's never from

1659
01:32:55,359 --> 01:33:00,239
the chair, never counts. There's never a contradiction because it's ah.

1660
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:07,079
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, Mattras not even an apologist, but like, like,

1661
01:33:07,079 --> 01:33:09,039
who else is even is there to debate? By the way,

1662
01:33:09,079 --> 01:33:12,119
there was there was one guy that was friends with

1663
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:16,600
Tim Gordon, suppose a professor, but he had like five followers,

1664
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,439
and he was like, I will debate you on history

1665
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:24,520
of the papacy. Well, I thought he meant he'll debate

1666
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,840
my challenge of the geopolitics of the papacy in the

1667
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,239
twentieth century. No, No, he meant debate me on medieval

1668
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:35,840
papal doc I'm like, I can debate you on the

1669
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,960
medieval papal documents. I want to debate you on the

1670
01:33:39,039 --> 01:33:44,800
twentieth century explanation for the actions of the papacy, and

1671
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,560
it was some guy. I'm not trying to be mean,

1672
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,479
it's just something to do with five followers. I'm like,

1673
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,800
come on, man, do they don't have anybody who can

1674
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:58,560
actually just defend a simple challenge. My challenge is that

1675
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:05,239
geopol political explanations are a better explanation for the actions

1676
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:08,319
of the papacy in the last couple centuries than the

1677
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:14,640
supposed claim of petrine infallible terrorism. That's my challenge. I

1678
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,960
want a Roman Catholic apologist. This is the last Roman

1679
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,000
Cathy debate I'll do because there's none of them are

1680
01:34:20,039 --> 01:34:24,000
left that are any good. Tim was the last one.

1681
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:28,680
Some Roman Catholic if they will stand up and debate

1682
01:34:31,279 --> 01:34:39,159
the geopolitical Cia masade angle, let's do it. But I

1683
01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:42,399
guarantee you none of them will. I've been waiting for

1684
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,479
two years, two and a half years for that specific challenge,

1685
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:50,119
and I've asked them all. I've emailed professors, I've DMD

1686
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:55,079
multiple Catholic academics. I've asked Tim, tell all of your

1687
01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:58,600
professor friends, academic friends, I want to debate this topic. Well,

1688
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,439
is there any Roman Catholic that will even touch the

1689
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:08,680
geopolitical side of the stuff. Not one, not one of

1690
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:16,079
them will. What about the EP Do we talk about

1691
01:35:16,079 --> 01:35:19,880
that all the time? I share Father John Whiteford's stuff

1692
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,760
all the time, calling out the EP. You won't fuck

1693
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,199
a building your church, Yes we do. What are you

1694
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:32,119
talking about? Motoco?

1695
01:35:37,359 --> 01:35:37,520
Speaker 2: Hey?

1696
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 3: Jay? How's it going? Man?

1697
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:39,079
Speaker 1: Hey?

1698
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 3: Hey?

1699
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:40,600
Speaker 9: Going on?

1700
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 23: I just wanted to know if I could flush an

1701
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,279
argument by you in regards.

1702
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,319
Speaker 1: Of hold on one second. Yeah, to the question to

1703
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:51,239
the guy asking the question, what about Michael Knowles? Why

1704
01:35:51,239 --> 01:35:54,159
I won't you debate Michael Knowles? Guys, Michael Knowles deferred

1705
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:57,199
to Tim Gordon. Tim Gordon is the backup guy that

1706
01:35:57,279 --> 01:36:01,239
Michael Knowles looks to. Go ahead.

1707
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 23: Yeah, so, especially in some regards to Roman Catholicism and

1708
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,560
some of the arguments, especially for low information Catholics, in

1709
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,199
terms of them always pointing to the keys in the Bible.

1710
01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 3: I've heard your argumentational.

1711
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,560
Speaker 23: You know, the keys are defined as you know, like

1712
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:21,399
preaching the Gospel, universal binding, and the sacraments.

1713
01:36:21,399 --> 01:36:23,359
Speaker 3: And I think there's one more so.

1714
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: It's jurisdiction, preaching the Gospel, celebration of the sacraments, et.

1715
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 23: Cetera exactly, And then you said that if this was

1716
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,359
given to all the rest of the apostles later on

1717
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:37,319
in Matthew eighteen eighteen, then what does Peter have that

1718
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,479
they don't. But I was wondering the fact that I

1719
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,640
still don't see why we grant them that when I

1720
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,720
don't see how the keys are geographically tied to Rome,

1721
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,600
because the Bible doesn't mention anything about Rome, and from

1722
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:57,479
my understanding is that the martyrdom should not allow the

1723
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,479
keys to just be placed solely in wrong.

1724
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: No, agree that I agree with that, Yeah, because.

1725
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 23: The prismatic in one states that it's not based on

1726
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:05,199
Paul and Peter.

1727
01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: It's based on Peter dying.

1728
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 23: Yeah, so what is so I've been thinking that this

1729
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,479
is a strong argument. I just wanted to make sure

1730
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,119
because you know, you have more of the history than

1731
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,439
I do. But I just don't see how they can

1732
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:22,279
tie the keys directly to Rome, especially when you also

1733
01:37:22,359 --> 01:37:23,119
mentioned that right.

1734
01:37:23,039 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: Now the keys the keys are Yeah, I agree with you.

1735
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,319
The keys are stated to be I think given to

1736
01:37:29,399 --> 01:37:34,840
Peter honorifically first because he says the confession of the

1737
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:39,239
deed to Christ first. But there's nothing specific to Rome.

1738
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:44,119
About the keys, especially given that Rome admits that there's

1739
01:37:44,199 --> 01:37:47,880
three patrine sees exactly. So there's no reason why that

1740
01:37:48,359 --> 01:37:52,880
kerorism of infallibility is somehow exclusive to Rome. And in fact,

1741
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,239
to your point, if you were going to try to

1742
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,760
argue that there was some special kerosm of infallibility unique

1743
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,560
to Rome, it seems like it would include Peter and.

1744
01:38:01,399 --> 01:38:04,039
Speaker 3: Paul exactly exactly.

1745
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 1: And the Vatican expecially says no, there's nothing to do.

1746
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,039
Speaker 3: With Paul exactly, A literally denies it.

1747
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:11,239
Speaker 23: So I've been using this recently and I just think

1748
01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:15,000
it's really good for low information Catholics because it stops

1749
01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:17,239
us from getting into all the councils and all these

1750
01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:20,119
different things and all that kind of stuff that people

1751
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:22,439
just don't have the time to tye to, and they

1752
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,600
always run back to what he got the keys. He

1753
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,119
got the keys, that's special, that's special. But if we

1754
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,560
hit them with both, that is not special, because all

1755
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,720
the Apostles get it, but yet you can't even tie

1756
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,239
to Rome, then it just defeats the whole argument.

1757
01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: It's just like an ultimate presupposition.

1758
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,399
Speaker 1: To me, I think you're right. I think that is

1759
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:42,880
a better approach because the whole thing is resting on

1760
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,600
that assumption that there's something unique about the city of Rome,

1761
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,720
and then when you really press Roman Catholics on it,

1762
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:54,000
it really just falls back into well that's a tradition. Yeah, okay,

1763
01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:54,840
from what where?

1764
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 3: From the exactly.

1765
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Great point there, Motko Satoshia. I appreciate that, really good points.

1766
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:07,920
He's right. Sometimes it's difficult to remember in the heat

1767
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,399
of discussion, you know, to go back to, you know,

1768
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,439
the basics and the assumptions like that, because you get

1769
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,039
you get all sort of off in the weeds. What

1770
01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:20,840
about Honorius and this that Uh, let's read this real

1771
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,319
quick before we go to SBM, because this is of

1772
01:39:24,359 --> 01:39:27,920
course the the weekly scandal. The scandal of the week

1773
01:39:28,119 --> 01:39:33,760
is Leo's interview about gay stuff. Okay, so I may

1774
01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:37,279
this was. I was a little surprised to see Lofton

1775
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:44,920
deviating from his pope's planning a little bit, because I mean,

1776
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,520
he's still a pope's planner. But he's even seeming to

1777
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:54,840
say he put up a video saying something like, uh,

1778
01:39:55,359 --> 01:39:58,159
the I'm trying to remember how Lofton worded it, something

1779
01:39:58,319 --> 01:40:03,399
like be prepared word there might be a change about

1780
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,840
the skittles in Rome. So let's see what Leo actually

1781
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,680
said in this interview. This is a translation, So who

1782
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,159
knows if this is if you start pulling, if you

1783
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:15,439
point this out, the Roman goes, Oh, it's miss Treasury,

1784
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,600
who didn't that. What I'm trying to say is that

1785
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,079
Francis said very clearly when he said, totos, totos totos,

1786
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:25,279
everyone is invited into the church. I don't invite a

1787
01:40:25,279 --> 01:40:28,960
person in because they are not of a specific identity.

1788
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,680
So he's admitting that gay is an identity, which it's not.

1789
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,960
But that's already a problem right there. I invite a

1790
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,600
person in because they are a son or daughter of God. Well,

1791
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,840
you're not actually a son or daughter of God just

1792
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:44,840
by existing or being a human being. You have to

1793
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,800
be baptized to be a sun or daughter of God.

1794
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,439
So again more ambiguity here as to what he's referring to.

1795
01:40:50,119 --> 01:40:53,319
You are all welcome, not all people are welcome. That's

1796
01:40:53,359 --> 01:40:58,039
not actually true. You cannot be a vicious, unrepentant person

1797
01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:01,680
and still welcomed in the church. You must at least

1798
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:08,720
be repenting. Let's get to know each other and respect

1799
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,920
each other. Okay, but it's not about acceptance and respect

1800
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:16,600
it's about virtue and vice, good and evil. So notice

1801
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,720
there's nothing about good and evil. It's all about tolerance

1802
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,960
and acceptance. At some point when specific questions will come

1803
01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:24,359
up and he's talking to This is all in the

1804
01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:29,840
context of skittles. People want the church doctrine to change,

1805
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:33,159
They want attitudes to change. I think we have to

1806
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:38,039
change attitudes before we can think about changing what the

1807
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:40,399
church says about any given question. Now wait a minute,

1808
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,800
the church doesn't change in its morals. So even the

1809
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:52,439
possibility which is being entertained here is itself proof. What

1810
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:55,800
more evidence do you Roamacotholics need? Oh well, there is

1811
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,800
no evidence, right because notice disproving evidentialism. The issue isn't

1812
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:06,319
even evidences. So that notice the when people everybody says

1813
01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:09,960
co co co cop cope everything is co co. The

1814
01:42:10,039 --> 01:42:13,520
more you see people talking about and using and repeating

1815
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:18,000
mindlessly the phrase cope it evidence is the point that

1816
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:23,840
we make that evidentialism is false. If evidentialism were true,

1817
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:31,079
people wouldn't vehemently double down, triple down, quadrupleed down in

1818
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:35,159
the face of mountains of counter evidence. And yet that

1819
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:39,279
is exactly what they do. So the guy that called

1820
01:42:39,279 --> 01:42:41,079
me a cult leader Day, by the way, wouldn't show

1821
01:42:41,159 --> 01:42:46,760
up to debate. Shocker, in the face of mountains of evidence,

1822
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:53,119
can't acknowledge that there's a problem at the top of

1823
01:42:53,159 --> 01:43:01,439
his church. He says, attitudes must change before we can

1824
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,960
think about changing what the church says. That doesn't even

1825
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,800
make sense. Attitudes have nothing to do with church doctrine,

1826
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:15,439
and church doctrine doesn't change. So remember the delusion of

1827
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,880
all the tradcats acting like this guy was going to

1828
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:26,960
be somehow a based in trad like what again, It's

1829
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,960
like they don't even realize that the religion has already

1830
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:34,600
solidified in the Vatican two documents and a long time ago.

1831
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,640
Now miles here in the chat says, Oh, let me

1832
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,000
read the rest of Leo's quote. He says, I find

1833
01:43:40,039 --> 01:43:42,439
it unlikely, highly unlikely, in the at least in the

1834
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:45,960
near future, that the church's doctrine in terms of sexuality

1835
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:50,479
could change. In other words, it's possible to change, it's

1836
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:58,119
just unlikely in the near future. What regenerate, Yeah, so

1837
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:00,399
I will allow you about regenerate, Sam, you would like

1838
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,760
to come back, you says for five dollars he had

1839
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,840
a connection issue. Yeah, I'll bring it right back. Up now,

1840
01:44:05,079 --> 01:44:09,319
I did miss this, So mister Feast says, you missed

1841
01:44:09,359 --> 01:44:12,760
this part. Jay, let's read what this is. This is

1842
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,239
the same interview. Earlier this year there was a discussion

1843
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:18,920
or there was a jubilief for permanent deacons, so all

1844
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,880
men but their wives were present. I had the Katechisus

1845
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,319
one day with a fairly large group of English speaking

1846
01:44:25,399 --> 01:44:28,159
permanent deacons. The English language is one of the groups

1847
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,600
where they are better represented because there' are parts of

1848
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,520
the world that are never really promoted the permanent dacon

1849
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,199
it itself became a question, why would we talk about

1850
01:44:37,279 --> 01:44:40,279
ordaining women to the d'acon it if the dacon it

1851
01:44:40,279 --> 01:44:43,199
itself is not yet properly understood and developed and promoted

1852
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:46,319
in the church, and what are the reasons for that.

1853
01:44:46,399 --> 01:44:48,600
So while I think there was a significant inspiration at

1854
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,840
the time of the Council when the permanent daconate was

1855
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,359
re stated, it has not become in many parts of

1856
01:44:54,399 --> 01:44:57,800
the world what I think some people thought it would be.

1857
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:59,920
So there are some questions that have to be asked

1858
01:45:00,119 --> 01:45:06,520
around that issue. So, in other words, it's an open question. Still,

1859
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:09,359
can we change the gay stuff? Can we have women deacons?

1860
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Which is the stuff before women priests open questions. They're

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not open questions by the way, So sbm what's up?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 31: Sorry, sorry, hey j thanks for having me. I wanted

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to ask about Trinity. I heard you a couple of

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time talk about the difference in the West and the East.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Protestant.

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Speaker 31: I would like to understand why when I converse with

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some of the Roman Catholics, they say that the East

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has a faulty or wrong view of Trinity, and you

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say the otherwise.

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Speaker 4: I kind of like that.

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Speaker 31: Not that I'm making the decision on my understanding, but

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I see the biblical basis for.

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Speaker 4: The monarchical trinitarianism. Could you help me to understand.

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Speaker 31: Briefly what's that stick, especially given the What's at stake

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is the loss of beginning your Trinitarian theology with the

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person of the Father, which leads to essentialism, putting the

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essence before the persons, which leads to a diad in

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the philioquay, which then leads to.

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Speaker 1: The removal of the doctrine of the energies and uncreated grace.

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That's what's at stake right there, Bridge, what's up? Regenerate Sam?

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Call back in where are you at.

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Speaker 4: Hello, j How are you?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 4: So Jam, excuse me for my English language.

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Speaker 37: I'm not a native so I'm turned up between Catholicism

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and Orthodoxy. I'm currently a Catholic, but I mean I'm

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up with a way that's Scholastics use philosophy in terms

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of epistemic justification and they cannot handle David human very

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well and even in philosophy. And I'm turn up or

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Orthodoxy because of the Catholic claims of papacy, the historical

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claims of the economical councils.

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Speaker 1: And that's what what are you talking about? Where is

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Vatican One papacy in the ecumenical councils?

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Speaker 37: No, I mean the the first Ecumenical Council, in the

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sixt Sick Comdical Council, and the how these Scholastics render

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their philosophy with Hume And I feel like scholastics, as

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a Catholic myself, forgot about the last five hundred years

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of philosophy in terms of human count I mean probably

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of the natural theology. Can Catholicism recond and so with

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modern philosophy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Catholicism did reconcile with modern philosophy and that's

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why it is what it is. It is process philosophy.

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Speaker 37: And what uh how their natural theology.

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, that's what led to where it is. That's

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that's precisely the false roots and foundations that led them

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to accept Gaudia metspest teaches, Marxism. I mean again, like

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everything that I've been detailing in the last few weeks,

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just think of the last couple of months, guys, for

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the Roman Catholics, how bad it's been. We have the

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debacle of Trent Doherty and all these gubers defending that

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Muslims and Christians the worst being the same God. And

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then Michael Loften comes to the rescue with the Vatican

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documents pointing out that Muslims can be saved in Islam

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according to the Vatican teaching. He's correct, that is the

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Vatican teaching. And then we get like, there's there's a

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scandal every week. I can't even keep up with it.

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What was the next one? The next one was Doherty

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crashing out and team up with Skittles people, Like we

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said then it was, what was the next one. I've

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already I've already lost track of all. It's like every

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week we get they make a hubbub, and we get

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rewarded by the papacy. Right, we get our staking rewards

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from trusting in and staking our arguments on the papacy.

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And that's we get weekly staking rewards. After what was

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the what was the the voice of reason? Was the

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next scandal? Thank you v O R. Voice of Sleason.

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Speaker 33: I would like to kish body by the way, probably

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probably I have a problem. Sorry, please accept me back

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into being a public minister. Just leg Jimmy Swaggert. I'm

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I'm the Latin liver, leg Jimmy Sweggert.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, then we got after a voice of reason?

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What was next? Next? Was it gay gay pacy? The

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gay papal stuff I've already forgotten anyway, It's like everywhere

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every week, dude. And if it's it's not an argument

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that the papacy is false because there's bad people. This

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is every low tier Roman Kale thinks that that's the argument.

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You got bad people. Yes, that's not the argument. Nobody

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ever made that argument. That's the dumbest argument ever. The

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argument is that you have a system level contradiction that

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doesn't allow for you to fix Vatican two, to reform

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Vatican two, to fix the papacy to you can't do

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any of that with an ironclad, already set in stone system.

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That's the argument. Just like that guy that called in earlier.

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I'm not trying to be mean, but he didn't even

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understand the argument. He thought I was urging that we

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have development a doctrine and they don't. That's not what

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I argued.

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Speaker 38: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Tim Gordon's bad debate performance. That was the end

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of the next one, exactly. I feel like I'm missing

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one though. And then we had the gay procession. So

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it's just like Catholic loss after Catholic loss after Catholic

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loss after Catholic loss each week. And then their response

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is Jay Dyer is a cult leader. That's all they

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have when they're at that point, like all they have

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is to just talk about how bad I am. Uh Morgan. Oh,

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then they're mad that Cleve's antiquity is becoming Orthodox and

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not Roman. Kelly, what's up man?

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 39: That Hey, how are you doing?

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Speaker 4: My friend?

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Speaker 15: So basically got a question about it's about Mary.

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Speaker 2: I'm an extra protestantly.

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Speaker 19: Coming out of that and an Orthodox prayer book, and

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I do understand obviously they used to argue a lot

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about with people online from Chians, and you talk.

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Speaker 1: About the correct So I'm not trying to be rude,

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but I'm not specifically so I'm not taking catech human

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inquirer questions. We had the Mary topic come up earlier.

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I have a talk on Mary from the Bible. You

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can watch that video on the Veneration of Saint Mary

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on my channel. But we're looking for people who disagree

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today or have questions where they would take issue. What's up?

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Man regenerate saying where you're at?

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Speaker 3: Gee, yes, Jane, you're here?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 3: Sorry again?

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Speaker 19: So I wanted to check with you as about the

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Ecumenical Council in the Orthodox perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong,

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if I'm approaching in this like the Nicea one had

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the Emperor bishops and and then over time doctrine of Pentokey.

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I'm struggling with understand the sort of when it comes

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to the Union.

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Speaker 31: Council, how is that macha of emphasis? How do you

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reconcile this a march of surphasis was able.

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Speaker 3: To go against you.

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Speaker 1: Watch the talk that we did on this, me and

1989
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David are Hen six years ago. So I have a

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whole talk on this from six years ago. So, guys,

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most of your questions like that, those kind of inquire

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faq questions. I'm not mad at you. I understand. We

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all have those issues, right, we all get hung up

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what about this? What about that? Most of these we

1995
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have addressed, you know, many times over. So, guys, if

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you're in the chat, we got a lot of weird

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weirdos in the YouTube chat over here, all you weirdos

1998
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saying all this weird stuff. Why don't you call in?

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There's the link right there, Paul, what's up man?

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Speaker 2: Hello?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, Hey, I was just wondering, like why there's such

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like a large emphasis on not rejecting like icon veneration

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and just icons in general, like to the point where

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it's clearly seen as like a primary like function of

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the church, and like where where's like the biblical basis

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01:54:19,399 --> 01:54:21,399
of that come from? And like do we see that

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type of importance in the early church?

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Speaker 1: Right? So we do, because it's tied directly to the

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notion of the incarnation and the real presence in the Eucharus,

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that God can unite with and has united with and

2011
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has utilized created material means to give us grace. So

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they become means of grace, including the bodies of the

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righteous men. So the relics that we see in the

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Book of Acts, that we see with the bones of Elijah,

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those are all examples of this, as well as in

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Joshua seven when they all prostrate before the temple and

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the ark of the Covenant. The arc and the inside

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of the temple were very ornate and full of iconic

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grass imagery. Early synagogues in the first second third century,

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the Dory Europo Synagogue, for example, are covered in imagery

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all over the walls. So it is a Jewish principle,

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a Hebrew principle that the Church adopted when it adopted iconography.

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Speaker 26: Okay, so would you say that they're essential? Yes, you

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would say they're essential. And then one more question, how

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would you or like, what would the Orthodox response be

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01:55:27,319 --> 01:55:30,039
to like, I guess the good things that we see

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from Western Christendom, like the universities and different philosophical innovations

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and the evangelization, Like, what would the Orthodox position on

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that be?

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Speaker 1: I would first of all, hold on universities come out

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of Byzantium philosophical What do you mean, I don't know,

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I don't know what you're.

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Speaker 26: Talking about I'm just talking about, like I guess that

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the good fruits that have come from Western ways of theology, philosophy.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I wouldn't attribute that topism. I would say

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that it's in spite of papism. I would say that.

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I mean, a Protestant person could invent a machine, an

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iPhone calculus comes out of you know, people like Leibniz,

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who's Lutheranish. I mean, does that make Lutheranism true? I mean,

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it's just has nothing to do with proving that the

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religion is true. You can have a Buddhist that invents

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some amazing invention, does to make Buddhism true?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Apache yep, And yeah, I mean I'm sure that, like

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I said, you know, rather than having Aztec human sacrifices,

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you know, Spanish Catholicism is a step up from that. Well,

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that doesn't make Spanish Catholicism free from heresies. In fact,

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Spanish Catholicism was always prone to and struggled with Arianism.

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That's where you get Phillyoque as a response to trying

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to refute Spanish arian to vulturo ten dollars. Catholics are

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officially the Christian Muslims, that's correct. I mean they say

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we worship the same God as Islam, and they tout

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this and are proud of this. Why are we surprised

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that they and the Orientals act just like Muslims. They

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deny that they want to militarize the same way Islam does.

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Well historically they have though, so, I mean, the pope

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is the one that first called for having standing armies

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to defend papism in the Renaissance papacy. And if you

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didn't fight for the pope, he would excommunicate you. Vulture

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ten dollars? Did Pope Gregory write a letter to the

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patriarch given the additional title of universal or ecumenical, restates

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that this title does not give him total authority in

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the church. Yeah, I mean, it's a famous back and

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forth between I think was John the patriarch Constantinople and

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the usage of the term universal or acumenical patriarch and

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Gregory says he doesn't like the title because it gives

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the impression that the person with that title is the

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super bishop and everybody, all the other bishops in the

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world are priests underneath him, which is exactly the papal model.

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Of the Church regenerate Sam five dollars Jay, apologies my

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mic didn't come through. Would you allow me back on Yes,

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I don't know where you are, but you're welcome to

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call in. So anybody who disagrees today, if you're a

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Roman Catholic, if you're a Muslim, a Protestant, a Mormon,

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an Anglican and Evangelical, a Gnostic, the only thing that

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we're not doing today is tag atheist type stuff. We're

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not doing that today. So if you disagree on any

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of these other topics, I think there was something I

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was going to hit on in terms of recent j R. Says,

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how would you approach a Protestant who feels that the

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very very late instrument of online Orthodox work is too late.

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With the exception of early missions, it doesn't meet the

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zeal of Catholicism and Protestantism. I don't understand why this

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is a good argument trying to measure zeal of evangelism

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to try to prove the true Church. I just think

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this is a silly attempt at trying to figure out

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the true Church. By the way, UBI has I think

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01:59:31,479 --> 01:59:38,720
three part documentary on the history of Orthodox missions Listy

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hell M Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to understand like the what's it called?

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm I'm I want to know.

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Speaker 9: What philosophy right, Like, what philosophy do you think would

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be the best to study to understand the Orthodox perspective.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think philosophy is necessary for Orthodoxy, but

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I think that if you did want to study philosophy,

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I would get your Slav Pelican's book on the philosophy

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of the Cappadocians. That would probably be the best thing.

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The book is called, Yeah, let me rate that down.

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It's called Christianity and Classical Culture, The Metamorphosis of Natural

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Theology in the Christian Encounter with Hellenism by Yurislav Pelicon.

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That will give you an overview of the philosophy of

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the Cappadocians. You could also, you know, study the basics

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of Aristotle, basics of Plato, basics of Neoplatonism. All of

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those would help kind of give context to a lot

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of the terminology that the Church fathers use when they

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hammer out you know, trinitarian and Christological stuff. But I

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wouldn't worry about studying philosophy to become Orthodox Orthodox. He's

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not a philosophy it's a way of life. It's a church.

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It's not an ideology. C K ten dollars. Black keeper

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Israelites think that Jewish means sort of kind of Jewish. Yeah,

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I mean, that's probably one of the best examples of

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like a grammar word concept of linguistic mistake that leads

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to an entire heresy. It's that one's really funny. Though

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Richard Lyon became a member vultrue five dollars. How will

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CALVICHX defend Pope Leo permitting a pride parade into the Vatican?

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I thought he was infallible. They'll just say he made

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a moral mistake, and infallibility doesn't include impeccability. However, infallibility

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actually is supposed to cover moral teachings of the papacy.

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So how they're they would, well, they're just again, they're

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going to say it doesn't count. We excuse this one.

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He's a bad pope, Aine Schultz, what's up? And then

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when you point out the dogmatic contradictions, Oh, that one

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doesn't count either, because that wasn't actually dogma. So it's

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a unfalsifiable Uh. Moving the goal post based system, which

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should tell you right away that it's a very weak system.

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I'm mute.

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Speaker 3: Are a test?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask a question about the transcendental argument?

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 1: I'd said multiple times that I wasn't talking about tech today,

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so you may not. But thank you for calling UH

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regenerate Sam five dollars. No, we already did that. By

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the way, one of the major tag critics UH, I

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think turned out that was constantly going after FDA. I

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think it turned out he was a t R A

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n Z. I'm not one hundredercent positive. I think that's

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what somebody was saying, which I just thought was funny.

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So it's like like I was like, I'm supposed to

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like take serious, you know, all these obscure philosophical arguments

2141
02:03:32,199 --> 02:03:37,720
from like somebody the equivalent of Matt Dylan Monkey's lover.

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Like at a certain point, it's like the weird thing

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about the Internet is that it makes people think that

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you can completely divorce everything. It's all abstracted, right, Like

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like at the end of the day, it's true that

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arguments aren't proven or disproven by the people. But at

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the same time, it's like, yeah, but why do I

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even have to listen to or entertain or point by

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02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:18,079
point refute an insane person, and people think like the

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Internet gives the impression that no, you have to you

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have to you have to publicly refute and debate every

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single insane person, or else well you're scared, right. So

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if I don't debate a trans atheist and refute every

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02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:36,960
one of his arguments, then I guess Matt Della Hunty

2155
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,800
wins right. He was right all along. Matt Dela monkey

2156
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:46,439
won all along because I don't. I don't debate the

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I'm trying to think of way. I mean, this is

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a where is such a weird world?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: Why won't you interact with an insane person? Like the

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guy called in about brother Nap. It's or I always

2162
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think of him as brother Nappy. It's Nathaniel Kappner, but

2163
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:13,800
I think of it as brother Nap because he has

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nappy hair. And I'm like, why do I Why am

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I supposed to entertain and work with? And it's like

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all of these people, by the way, act insane, like

2167
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most of the media people that are out here yapping

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literally act like insane people, and they have giant insane

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02:05:33,279 --> 02:05:37,760
people followings. It's kind of weird, and why won't you

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interact with and REFUW and work. It's like, do you

2171
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:46,760
not have discernment? How do you not have discernment? And

2172
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:50,560
that goes for a lot of the talking heads. First

2173
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of all, I want in a talking head, yapp or

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02:05:53,079 --> 02:05:55,279
person that I'm gonna listen to to know that they're straight.

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02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:02,079
I'm not interested in hearing the opinions of Skittles men

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02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:07,399
or Skittles internet yappers. And yet for masses of people,

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they don't care. No, actually I should care what Milo

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or any of the other Internet yapping heads say. No,

2179
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why should I care?

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Speaker 33: It's cause you're scared of talking about you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, So what's more important is not is this individual

2183
02:06:24,760 --> 02:06:28,680
saying are they straight? The only thing that matters is

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do they talk about Jews every single day? That's the

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only that matters?

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Speaker 7: Correct you?

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02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:40,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, we are here. When Jay Dyer went full

2188
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don iMOS, well don iMOS was making fun of black

2189
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:54,079
WNBA girls. So why don't you take the sons of

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Ballio seriously?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like, uh, I mean think of all the years that

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02:07:03,359 --> 02:07:05,720
people were saying, why won't you debate destiny? You need

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02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:07,119
to debate destiny. You need to be in it. You

2195
02:07:07,159 --> 02:07:11,479
need to be interacting with Destiny, and I realized back

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02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:15,520
in the days of Warski that Destiny was a worthless person.

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He was wicked, he was disgusting, and he didn't debate

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in good faith. So there was never any point in

2199
02:07:23,319 --> 02:07:27,760
debating Destiny. I told Tristan I wouldn't waste my time

2200
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debating that guy. And it ended up being a disaster,

2201
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not because Tristan was bad, but because Tristan thought that

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02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,439
he would go into a debate with Destiny that would

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02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:38,119
be good faith, and I'm like, he's not going to

2204
02:07:38,159 --> 02:07:39,600
debate you in good faith. He's not a good He's

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02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:42,560
a completely disgusting person. I said he was discussing in

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02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:47,560
twenty seventeen eighteen. Nobody listened until now, Caln, you believe

2207
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:51,199
a Dustiny is disgusting? Yeah, the guy who talked about

2208
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:57,640
eating another dude's j I z Z after a threesome.

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You just now figured out that he's discussed thing, you idiot,

2210
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:05,439
And why did you not have discernment that this person

2211
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:15,920
was completely obviously a meth disgusting demon. What's wrong with Milow?

2212
02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. Enjoy enjoy your talking heads, Enjoy your yapping

2214
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:30,560
talking head goobers, please please go on, go go enjoy them.

2215
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,880
Your people are dumb. You guys are dumb. I feel

2216
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:37,680
sorry for you guys that you couldn't that you had

2217
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:41,199
no discernment. Why did you have no discernment? It's weird

2218
02:08:41,239 --> 02:08:45,680
to me. You need to debate well, you need to

2219
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:48,920
interrite with Destiny. Do you know how many people told

2220
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:56,119
me this since twenty eighteen? And I'm like, why you

2221
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:58,760
need to work with and talk to Brother No. I

2222
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:07,800
don't like. If you see instances of insanity, you should

2223
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:10,920
be able to make an assessment that this is not

2224
02:09:11,039 --> 02:09:16,039
a person that I need to follow, right, But I

2225
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:18,560
don't like people can't figure this out. I don't understand.

2226
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:27,680
So I say, good luck, good sir. We part ways,

2227
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:32,760
Good sir, good luck to you. Deutgel five dollars. Jay,

2228
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:38,520
What do you think about Tucker as a bagel asset?

2229
02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:42,000
There's I don't think Tucker's a bagel asset. Why would

2230
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:48,520
he make contact with Father Josiah to interview an Orthodox person?

2231
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:01,159
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2232
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:05,399
Speaker 1: I mean you would think that like if I was

2233
02:10:05,439 --> 02:10:10,079
telling you about Zionism in two thousand and eight, if

2234
02:10:10,079 --> 02:10:13,960
I was telling you about these problems in the Orthodox

2235
02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:16,520
Church with the State Department of the CIA in two

2236
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:19,119
thousand and seven and eight. If I was telling you

2237
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:26,119
about Fabian socialist open border stuff fifteen years ago, like

2238
02:10:26,199 --> 02:10:28,479
you would think, people might think, maybe I know a

2239
02:10:28,479 --> 02:10:31,680
few things, maybe I've got a little bit of discernment.

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I mean, I've had a pretty good track record of

2241
02:10:34,279 --> 02:10:38,279
not tying myself to an associating with people who ended

2242
02:10:38,359 --> 02:10:44,119
up imploding and being basically psychopedes. I'm not toxified by

2243
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:55,960
being closely aligned with anybody. That's a bad look. But no,

2244
02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:59,239
none of that matters. All that matters is who is

2245
02:10:59,279 --> 02:11:03,359
the best race debater on Twitter? And why won't you

2246
02:11:03,479 --> 02:11:05,600
talk to so and so or debate with so and so,

2247
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,039
or work with so and so or not with so

2248
02:11:07,079 --> 02:11:10,239
and so? Because because I have discernment, that's fine, because

2249
02:11:10,319 --> 02:11:14,840
I know and can see who's worth talking to and

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02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:18,359
who's not worth talking through, and I have a good

2251
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,199
track record of picking and being able to discern. I'm

2252
02:11:22,199 --> 02:11:26,159
not always right. I've gotten a few people wrong. I

2253
02:11:26,199 --> 02:11:31,319
associated with a couple minor figures that ended up being weirdos,

2254
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:36,239
mainly from the Orthodox world in the last eight years.

2255
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But for the most part, thank you for your recommendations.

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02:11:41,920 --> 02:12:04,760
I'm good. Do you know about Timothy Alberino. I don't

2257
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:10,279
orthodox should rest from the internet. I quit and heal

2258
02:12:10,359 --> 02:12:13,680
my brain. I do think that it's very beneficial to

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02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:18,680
take internet breaks. Jamie, for example, has been taking a

2260
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:37,399
Twitter break and she has been healing. So I don't

2261
02:12:38,119 --> 02:12:43,720
count going on somebody's podcast as Oh, you associate with

2262
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:47,279
Ethan Ralph, you're a bad person. I don't. I don't

2263
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:51,079
think that Alex is a bad person. I mean if

2264
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:54,079
I went on the Ralph retort to debate people, let's

2265
02:12:54,119 --> 02:12:59,279
not me working with Ralph. Like now, now you guys

2266
02:12:59,319 --> 02:13:01,920
are playing the you know, oh we gotcha. You you

2267
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:07,680
went on somebody There's some Infamous Persons podcast eight years ago. Yeah,

2268
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:20,640
so what Welcome everybody. We are doing open form still.

2269
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:22,039
If you want to call in, you can call in

2270
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:26,880
on Twitter. The link is right here. If we don't

2271
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,439
get any more call ins, we might wrap it up.

2272
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:31,039
I do have a video that I want to show

2273
02:13:31,039 --> 02:13:34,319
you guys really quick as we wait for more people

2274
02:13:34,359 --> 02:13:40,760
to call in. And this is a video that we

2275
02:13:40,840 --> 02:13:46,840
created for I didn't create, my buddy created and you'll

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02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,439
get an idea. It's really well done video. So shout

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02:13:49,479 --> 02:13:50,560
out to Mark for this.

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Speaker 40: What is the relationship between reason and revelation, between philosophy

2279
02:14:06,479 --> 02:14:11,439
and faith? For the Orthodox Church, the answer is clear.

2280
02:14:12,319 --> 02:14:15,760
Christianity was not born in the lecture halls of Greek philosophers,

2281
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:18,720
but in the encounter with the Living God. Yet the

2282
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:22,279
Church did not ignore philosophy, she baptized it, using the

2283
02:14:22,359 --> 02:14:25,800
language of reason to proclaim truths that reason alone could

2284
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:30,039
never reach. So what is the Orthodox view of philosophy?

2285
02:14:30,479 --> 02:14:33,319
What role does human reason play in the life of faith?

2286
02:14:34,359 --> 02:14:37,640
Does Orthodoxy believe in natural theology? And what is the

2287
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:42,760
difference between knowledge about God and knowing Him? Join us

2288
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:48,119
for an unforgettable conference exploring these timeless questions and encounter

2289
02:14:48,199 --> 02:14:52,760
the answer not just in words, but in worship, in truth,

2290
02:14:53,479 --> 02:14:57,119
in the experience of the Holy Trinity. Come and discover

2291
02:14:57,319 --> 02:15:01,000
the true faith, the faith that establish the universe.

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Speaker 11: HM.

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02:15:35,479 --> 02:15:37,720
Speaker 1: That was an awesome ad there, big billy boy. Do

2294
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:42,840
you want to call in and discuss your dispensationalism. I

2295
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,880
know it was muted, I was coughing, I had shipped

2296
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:48,800
my throat. Dude, y'all don't have to y'all don't have

2297
02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:51,720
to freak out every time. Do sometimes I want to

2298
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:53,840
be mute. Do you ever think about that? Sometimes I

2299
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:56,960
just want to be muted. Sometimes I want to mute

2300
02:15:57,079 --> 02:15:59,840
talk a bunch of smack, so that like a vagina,

2301
02:16:00,199 --> 02:16:02,159
y'all don't call me out for it, and you don't

2302
02:16:02,159 --> 02:16:05,199
know what I said, and I can just hide behind

2303
02:16:05,239 --> 02:16:12,199
the keyboard as a vagina, a keyboard warrior, Trey, what's up.

2304
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:16,039
I'm trying to I'm trying to get like y'all. I'm

2305
02:16:16,039 --> 02:16:18,600
trying to learn to be like you guys, you cowardly

2306
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:24,079
keyboard warriors, where I hide behind the mute button talk

2307
02:16:24,119 --> 02:16:25,640
a bunch of smack, and then y'all don't know what

2308
02:16:25,680 --> 02:16:30,920
I said. I'm mute. What's up? Hey?

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Speaker 2: Baby?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up? Thank you? What's up?

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02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:41,440
Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 26: I just want to follow up on that Solis subject

2313
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:45,760
I brought up earlier.

2314
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Speaker 1: Uh, what was your comment? I don't remember.

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Speaker 12: It was about the Robin and his crew.

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02:16:51,799 --> 02:16:56,040
Speaker 1: So so oh yeah, yeah, So the book is I

2317
02:16:56,079 --> 02:16:59,479
was just referring to that as a.

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Speaker 4: More intense version of like bait. Basically what America is.

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Speaker 26: You could apply the same like him meeting Friday to

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02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:09,559
basically all the Presbyterians come to the United States are

2321
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:12,760
not Presbyterians, but the Protestants. But what I just I'm

2322
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:16,200
struggling to understand what the stance on the souls care.

2323
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:17,799
Is it like a net or do you believe it's

2324
02:17:17,799 --> 02:17:19,639
a net good, net bad? Or it's just not.

2325
02:17:19,639 --> 02:17:23,280
Speaker 1: Preferable, or it's just simply false. I mean, the Bible

2326
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:26,159
doesn't teach sol the scripture, Yes.

2327
02:17:26,079 --> 02:17:29,479
Speaker 26: So you're is it discussing the purpose of the Bible?

2328
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:33,159
Speaker 1: What so is that?

2329
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:35,079
Speaker 26: Are you just saying the purpose of the Bible is

2330
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:37,159
not to go out and teach people.

2331
02:17:37,319 --> 02:17:37,719
Speaker 3: I don't.

2332
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:40,559
Speaker 1: The Bible is a liturgical document. It's meant to be

2333
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:42,680
heard in the context of the liturgy. It's not your

2334
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:44,559
private devotional book.

2335
02:17:45,559 --> 02:17:48,520
Speaker 26: Yes, But if I so, I'm getting led back into

2336
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:53,239
the fate by Protestantism and I'm ultimately going to Orthodoxy

2337
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:54,280
in the end.

2338
02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:55,920
Speaker 4: So I'm just wondering, was it bad that?

2339
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:58,920
Speaker 26: I mean, it's it's good to a certain point, right.

2340
02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:02,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's you're oversimplifying. There's nothing in the

2341
02:18:02,520 --> 02:18:06,559
world that's usually totally good or totally bad. We don't

2342
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:08,600
make our decisions though, on the base of the fact

2343
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:11,559
that there's some good in some things. Therefore it's all good.

2344
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 3: Right.

2345
02:18:12,399 --> 02:18:16,079
Speaker 1: I mean, heresy can have ninety five percent true and

2346
02:18:16,120 --> 02:18:24,319
then one significant wrong. So the fact that there's degrees

2347
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:30,239
isn't applicable to the question of what's the Apostolic faith? Right,

2348
02:18:30,239 --> 02:18:33,000
there's no such thing as well, I'm thirty percent orthodox. Oh,

2349
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:36,159
I'm seventy percent orthodox. You got to have the whole

2350
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:49,559
thing proxy. What's up? And then we'll go to Gilbels. Hey.

2351
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:54,680
Speaker 32: I I have a Presbyterian friend and he's restuguing with

2352
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:58,360
the Confederation. Is there any statement by a church father

2353
02:18:58,440 --> 02:19:03,319
before free fifty eighty that speaks about icons and that confederation?

2354
02:19:03,799 --> 02:19:07,280
Speaker 4: I'm aware that Gregory of Nissa mentioned.

2355
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:10,760
Speaker 32: That he had a icronography in his church of the

2356
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:15,760
Abraham and Isaac. But that's not sufficient enough for my friend.

2357
02:19:17,079 --> 02:19:20,600
Speaker 1: Well, where is the Protestant canon of scripture before three fifty?

2358
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:29,440
I wouldn't know, right, So he has an unfair standard

2359
02:19:29,600 --> 02:19:32,479
that he his own position, doesn't hold too. So he's

2360
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,200
asking you for something that he doesn't even hold to.

2361
02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:38,200
In other words, we're supposed to believe that what we

2362
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:43,920
only believe things that have explicit mention before what the

2363
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:47,680
year for three fifty? Okay, but Protestants believe in all

2364
02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:50,799
kinds of things, like the Protestant canon of Scripture that

2365
02:19:50,879 --> 02:19:53,239
are not mentioned before the year three to fifty. So

2366
02:19:55,159 --> 02:19:58,680
that's the assumption is that there must be a written

2367
02:19:58,879 --> 02:20:02,440
reference to it. He doesn't hold to that. There's other

2368
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:05,200
things that don't have explicit reference that we hold to. So,

2369
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,799
I mean, the Book of Revelation isn't even accepted in

2370
02:20:08,879 --> 02:20:13,120
most of the church by the year three hundred, so like,

2371
02:20:13,559 --> 02:20:15,559
I guess we got to throw out Revelation like it's

2372
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:19,440
just an arbitrary point to pick. And also in church history,

2373
02:20:19,479 --> 02:20:24,079
a lot of things don't get mentioned until there's a

2374
02:20:24,120 --> 02:20:27,319
controversy about it. So the fact that it's not mentioned

2375
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:32,440
is just an argument from silence. Where is the doctrine

2376
02:20:32,559 --> 02:20:40,479
of perichoresis mentioned prior to you know, Chalcedon or Saint Maximus.

2377
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:42,440
Well it's not, Oh, well, I guess it's not true

2378
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:44,639
because it's not mentioned. Part of that. Well, there wasn't

2379
02:20:44,760 --> 02:20:48,040
really a dispute about the nature of the dwelling until

2380
02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:51,200
a certain time period when people questioned it. So it's

2381
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:55,879
a it's just a silly expectation that Protestants themselves don't

2382
02:20:56,159 --> 02:20:57,120
hold themselves to.

2383
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:09,840
Speaker 7: Matt hell out.

2384
02:21:12,040 --> 02:21:16,639
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, hold on one second, Jake, Sorry about that.

2385
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what's up. Yeah, So, just out of curiosity,

2386
02:21:24,600 --> 02:21:26,840
I saw on your stream title that you were talking

2387
02:21:26,920 --> 02:21:28,799
about libertarianism.

2388
02:21:29,639 --> 02:21:30,760
Speaker 36: That was one of the topics.

2389
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:35,799
Speaker 1: No, there is nothing about libertarianism, but I will debate libertianism.

2390
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:39,120
Speaker 14: So I just I'm not.

2391
02:21:39,079 --> 02:21:41,000
Speaker 1: Sure that I really wanted to debate it, but I

2392
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,879
had an I I just thought I went enerjet to

2393
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:44,959
get your opinion on.

2394
02:21:47,719 --> 02:21:49,520
Speaker 2: So one of the ideas, and I've heard.

2395
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:51,280
Speaker 1: About it, libertarianism in the last.

2396
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:56,639
Speaker 2: Few years is a national divorce. And I am newly orthodox.

2397
02:21:56,840 --> 02:22:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm still akadechy of And right are you calling me?

2398
02:22:00,559 --> 02:22:03,040
Are you calling me from the metallurgy factory or like.

2399
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:03,319
Speaker 7: What are you?

2400
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:03,920
Speaker 1: Where are you at?

2401
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:04,360
Speaker 3: Dude?

2402
02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:12,520
Speaker 1: Let me see if like, uh, that's okay, that's all right, good,

2403
02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:14,280
go ahead, Now some question we can barely hear you.

2404
02:22:15,479 --> 02:22:16,360
Speaker 28: Is that?

2405
02:22:18,680 --> 02:22:20,159
Speaker 1: Just ask the question? Man, I can be here.

2406
02:22:21,719 --> 02:22:22,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

2407
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:26,319
Speaker 1: Sorry, the chat says you're calling from a mine.

2408
02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yess, it just ran the line here, I might.

2409
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:37,479
Speaker 1: That's okay. Yeah, I'll put libertarianism in the title next

2410
02:22:37,479 --> 02:22:40,840
time and then we'll talk about it. But that's okay,

2411
02:22:41,319 --> 02:22:43,959
dude's calling me from the mining shafts down there at

2412
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:47,799
the at the base of the of the pyramid. He's

2413
02:22:47,799 --> 02:22:50,319
trying to get some of that some of that pyramid gold.

2414
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:53,840
I'm gonna uproot that pyramid. I want to go. I

2415
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:57,399
want to know where the gold at. Give me the gold.

2416
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:03,120
I want the goal. No, get me the gold. I

2417
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:04,760
want to know where to gold at.

2418
02:23:05,719 --> 02:23:05,920
Speaker 32: Well.

2419
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:08,680
Speaker 33: Just in time for Saint Patrick's Day, crowds are coming

2420
02:23:08,719 --> 02:23:10,719
by the dozens to get an up close view at

2421
02:23:10,719 --> 02:23:14,159
what some say as a piece of Irish folklore. Some

2422
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:16,799
people in the Criton area of Mobiles say.

2423
02:23:16,600 --> 02:23:22,639
Speaker 1: A leprechat leprechauns. That what a leprechaut. The leprechauns go

2424
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:23,200
whoo who.

2425
02:23:26,280 --> 02:23:30,719
Speaker 8: Curiosity leads to large crowds in Mobile's Critened community. Many

2426
02:23:30,719 --> 02:23:34,639
of you bring binoculars, cancorders, even camera phones to take

2427
02:23:34,719 --> 02:23:35,799
pictures to me.

2428
02:23:40,799 --> 02:23:43,120
Speaker 1: Trying to find a leprechaun. You hold all your horses?

2429
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:44,600
Who else said?

2430
02:23:44,680 --> 02:23:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2431
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:48,680
Speaker 8: I witnesses say the leprechaun only comes out at night.

2432
02:23:49,079 --> 02:23:50,079
If you shine a light.

2433
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:52,520
Speaker 1: It suddenly disappears.

2434
02:23:53,159 --> 02:23:56,000
Speaker 8: This cemetery sketch resembles what many of you say the

2435
02:23:56,079 --> 02:23:59,280
leprechaun looks like Others find it hard to believe and

2436
02:23:59,319 --> 02:24:02,040
have come up with their own theories and explanations for

2437
02:24:02,120 --> 02:24:02,840
the image.

2438
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:07,920
Speaker 41: My theory is casting a shadow from the other limb.

2439
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:12,360
Speaker 35: Good be your crackhead exactly got onto the wrong stuff,

2440
02:24:12,879 --> 02:24:14,559
and it told him to get up in a tree.

2441
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,159
Speaker 1: And play a leprechaun.

2442
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,399
Speaker 41: We don't get down to the bottom of this. Yes,

2443
02:24:19,479 --> 02:24:22,719
still down there, guy, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid.

2444
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:23,040
Speaker 7: Man.

2445
02:24:23,639 --> 02:24:26,760
Speaker 8: This guy helping to direct traffic says he's prepared for

2446
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:30,000
his encounter with the leprechaun. He suited up from head

2447
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:30,440
to toe.

2448
02:24:30,760 --> 02:24:32,399
Speaker 1: This war is all spells right here.

2449
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:35,280
Speaker 41: This is a special lepercut and flute which has been

2450
02:24:35,319 --> 02:24:37,799
passed down from thousands of years ago from my great

2451
02:24:37,799 --> 02:24:39,559
great grandfather who was Irish.

2452
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:40,840
Speaker 3: Now, I just came to help out.

2453
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:43,760
Speaker 8: Others just came to get lucky in hopes a pot

2454
02:24:43,799 --> 02:24:46,319
of gold may be buried under this tree.

2455
02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run him back home route that tree.

2456
02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:49,959
Speaker 8: I want to know.

2457
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:50,520
Speaker 1: Where to gold.

2458
02:24:51,479 --> 02:24:54,000
Speaker 2: I want to go, give me the gold.

2459
02:24:54,159 --> 02:24:54,799
Speaker 11: I want to go.

2460
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:57,520
Speaker 1: I like that guy's tenacity. What's up man?

2461
02:24:58,719 --> 02:24:59,399
Speaker 5: I like Jake.

2462
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:05,639
Speaker 3: Hello, Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you.

2463
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:08,479
Speaker 42: I don't really know much about you. You know, I

2464
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:11,680
started following you for like, you know, one month, you know.

2465
02:25:12,879 --> 02:25:14,959
But yeah, I'm a Muslim, you know.

2466
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:17,079
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

2467
02:25:18,479 --> 02:25:19,600
Speaker 42: I mean, I'm a Muslim.

2468
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:20,479
Speaker 3: I'm Muslim.

2469
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry you're Muslim.

2470
02:25:23,959 --> 02:25:29,840
Speaker 42: Oh okay, but you know, actually I don't really know

2471
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:33,159
much about autodoxy. But is it true that you know

2472
02:25:33,399 --> 02:25:36,000
Orthodox believe that you know Christ is Lord?

2473
02:25:36,879 --> 02:25:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2474
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:40,239
Speaker 24: Oh but.

2475
02:25:41,959 --> 02:25:43,120
Speaker 3: How comes?

2476
02:25:45,559 --> 02:25:45,959
Speaker 11: So what.

2477
02:25:47,879 --> 02:25:48,799
Speaker 2: I don't you know?

2478
02:25:49,879 --> 02:25:54,000
Speaker 42: Like, how can you know a man? And you know?

2479
02:25:56,760 --> 02:25:59,760
Speaker 1: Well, look, I I would say, go check out some

2480
02:25:59,799 --> 02:26:01,959
of the Muslim debates that we've done. I've debated all

2481
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:06,680
the top Muslims except for hit Job. So I would

2482
02:26:06,719 --> 02:26:08,479
just say, go check out some of those debates and

2483
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:11,000
then come back and uh, if you got more questions,

2484
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:16,000
I'd be happy to answer him. Chingo, what's up, broll,

2485
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:21,959
I'll come. I like that. That's a unique approach to debate.

2486
02:26:22,879 --> 02:26:26,399
How come I'm just gonna start saying, Okay, you believe,

2487
02:26:27,079 --> 02:26:29,760
how come? Chingo? How come? How come?

2488
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:31,440
Speaker 4: How come?

2489
02:26:31,479 --> 02:26:31,920
Speaker 3: Fallacy?

2490
02:26:32,639 --> 02:26:34,319
Speaker 1: Exactly? What's on your mind?

2491
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:38,159
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say that I'm a good one.

2492
02:26:41,559 --> 02:26:45,600
Speaker 1: She's getting weird, now, Cory, what's up your boy, Cory,

2493
02:26:45,799 --> 02:26:46,639
what's up? Cory?

2494
02:26:48,719 --> 02:26:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up?

2495
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:50,399
Speaker 4: Can you hear me this time?

2496
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:50,840
Speaker 7: Uh huh?

2497
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:55,600
Speaker 38: All right, So my question for the last time was

2498
02:26:55,639 --> 02:26:58,719
about atheists who believe that Jesus and.

2499
02:26:58,760 --> 02:26:59,639
Speaker 3: Paul didn't exist.

2500
02:27:00,639 --> 02:27:04,840
Speaker 38: They say that Tacitus his writings were of a medieval forgery,

2501
02:27:05,399 --> 02:27:08,040
and then Josephus wasn't actually talking about Christians. They were

2502
02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:12,639
talking about Christians. But where where would you say the

2503
02:27:12,719 --> 02:27:15,639
go for information to disprove that.

2504
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it just sounds arbitrary. What's the evidence? What's

2505
02:27:22,959 --> 02:27:26,600
the proof that Tacitus is a medieval commentator and not

2506
02:27:26,639 --> 02:27:29,120
an ancient Roman commentator? I mean, it sounds like something

2507
02:27:29,159 --> 02:27:31,799
they're just saying. And a lot of times atheists just

2508
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:34,200
say this stuff. So you need to ask for the proof,

2509
02:27:34,239 --> 02:27:36,360
the evidences. Where's this coming from?

2510
02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:37,239
Speaker 4: And what's up?

2511
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:40,159
Speaker 1: Look? Where is the goal? That's the question?

2512
02:27:40,639 --> 02:27:41,079
Speaker 8: What a go?

2513
02:27:41,319 --> 02:27:51,319
Speaker 39: Let me go, Let me go?

2514
02:27:47,879 --> 02:27:56,000
Speaker 4: What am I coming through?

2515
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:58,040
Speaker 1: Okay, you are cool?

2516
02:27:58,040 --> 02:27:58,239
Speaker 2: Cool.

2517
02:27:58,239 --> 02:28:01,920
Speaker 28: I was just wanting to bring get your opinion on

2518
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:05,120
two points. One is I wish I had a good

2519
02:28:05,159 --> 02:28:07,319
solo accent like you. But did you ever see that?

2520
02:28:08,959 --> 02:28:12,479
It's a Syrian news clip from twenty thirteen when Obama

2521
02:28:13,159 --> 02:28:17,719
deported some like MS gang members to Syria and they're

2522
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:20,879
like out there shooting a K forty seven's like we

2523
02:28:21,000 --> 02:28:23,639
out here owns like fighting.

2524
02:28:24,280 --> 02:28:27,920
Speaker 1: No, it sounds funny, though, dude. You know the title of.

2525
02:28:27,879 --> 02:28:34,159
Speaker 28: It, I it's it should be Memory.

2526
02:28:34,239 --> 02:28:35,719
Speaker 4: It's like a memory.

2527
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:40,920
Speaker 28: Gang members twenty thirteen in Syria.

2528
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:44,360
Speaker 4: They're like all shaped.

2529
02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:53,040
Speaker 28: They're standing behind some brick walls, like just popping offs.

2530
02:28:50,559 --> 02:28:54,360
Speaker 25: In Syria, thirty miles northeast of Damascus.

2531
02:28:54,840 --> 02:28:58,319
Speaker 21: Checking any alliance with Western backed opposite.

2532
02:28:57,959 --> 02:29:02,760
Speaker 1: Solos toy if we're clear, what does have to do

2533
02:29:02,799 --> 02:29:03,239
with Syria.

2534
02:29:03,399 --> 02:29:03,920
Speaker 28: Yeah, let me.

2535
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:09,840
Speaker 3: Dud uh.

2536
02:29:11,719 --> 02:29:14,000
Speaker 4: Am I still on Sory switched tobs.

2537
02:29:14,079 --> 02:29:19,280
Speaker 28: Okay, No Obama did those deportations of those gangs.

2538
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:19,680
Speaker 3: But uh.

2539
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:25,680
Speaker 28: Recently I think and Andy know reported on those trans

2540
02:29:25,719 --> 02:29:30,719
militants training in Syria. Uh, and I think they were

2541
02:29:30,760 --> 02:29:32,360
some of them were from the States, some of them

2542
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:35,239
were from France or Germany.

2543
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:37,040
Speaker 3: I think, uh. One.

2544
02:29:37,079 --> 02:29:39,559
Speaker 28: I was one point I was curious about your you know,

2545
02:29:39,639 --> 02:29:42,479
geoplical background, what what role does.

2546
02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Does Syria have any role or connection to like.

2547
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:50,840
Speaker 28: Training for militant groups or I mean I understand you

2548
02:29:50,879 --> 02:29:53,040
know it's a de state blast country, so it's kind

2549
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,440
of like open field over there.

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Speaker 3: But I was kind of relating that too.

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Speaker 28: I mean, I know, h there's a lot of talk

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about Israel's connection and the Kirk assassination, but I just

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I think it's bizarre how no one's talking about these deranged,

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sick transgenders that are like forming militias.