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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty The Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up in oh not too

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<v Speaker 1>far away less than half an hour. We'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to LAPD chief Jim McDonnell about the goings on with

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<v Speaker 1>the department and the city. Great of him to take

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<v Speaker 1>some time to talk with us. We'll also be talking

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<v Speaker 1>with Justin Worsham, hosts of dad podcast, How to Raise

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<v Speaker 1>patient Children in an instant fix world, how to raise

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<v Speaker 1>patient adults too. I mean, we're all kind of we've

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of fallen prey to that instant fix world

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<v Speaker 1>we live in.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something about my wife and I have said this

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly for all I shouldn't tay all. Most kids that

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<v Speaker 2>we've ever had to hang around, whether they're friends of

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<v Speaker 2>our kids, the kids of our friends, whatever, However it

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<v Speaker 2>works out, any kids that we've had to hang around

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<v Speaker 2>makes you appreciate your own kids that much more. And

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<v Speaker 2>we got very lucky because our kids were, for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, always very pleasant and happy to be around

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the normal teen stuff that goes on. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's always a point where you have to on the

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<v Speaker 2>one hand, take credit for their who they are. You want,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, you want to take credit for who

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<v Speaker 2>they are. And then the other times where you like

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<v Speaker 2>it had nothing to do with us. It had nothing

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<v Speaker 2>like my daughter's a chemistry she's going for a chemistry PhD.

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<v Speaker 3>That had nothing to do with us. Sure it did.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it did, only in that we just said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to do, there's a zero limitation on

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<v Speaker 2>you for whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing You don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>That she was inspired by your wife going back to

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<v Speaker 1>school and getting her nursing degree and becoming an icy

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<v Speaker 1>U nurse as a as a fresh out of school nurse,

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<v Speaker 1>which never happens in the world of nursing. That she

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<v Speaker 1>went straight to the head of her class and I

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<v Speaker 1>graduated of her class and then went and walked into

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<v Speaker 1>an ICU job. Like you don't think your daughter when

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to school was inspired by that. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course she was, well, I hope so, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that she thought to herself, you've done nothing right.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's my point.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally kidding, but you know what I mean. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the kids look to their parents for cues on how

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<v Speaker 1>to behave socially and professionally, and absolutely you play a

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<v Speaker 1>role in that. Do you have any sort of advanced

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge in chemistry? No, but your kids are going to

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<v Speaker 1>learn things that you've never learned. And that's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way the world is.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this, and I think that my wife

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<v Speaker 2>has exemplified it more than I have. Is feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to bite off more than you can chew. You can

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<v Speaker 2>always spit it out if it doesn't like. But don't

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<v Speaker 2>be afraid to try something that you know is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be difficult. Yeah, investigating the cause of the eat

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<v Speaker 2>And fire doesn't appear to be as difficult. There are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of arrows that point to so cal Leedison

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<v Speaker 2>as potentially being the cause of the fire that sparked

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<v Speaker 2>January seventh, a few hours after the Palisades fire. And

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<v Speaker 2>there right now, the concentration is on a group of towers,

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<v Speaker 2>utility towers that exist out in Eaton Canyon, and the

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<v Speaker 2>La Times has been on this story pretty considerably over

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of months, you can understand, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>pointed to a few things. Number One of the three

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<v Speaker 2>lines that run through the hillsides out there, one of

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<v Speaker 2>them hasn't carried electricity for decades. It was actually de

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<v Speaker 2>energized back in the seventies, and that that, or I

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<v Speaker 2>should say, but that could still be the cause of

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<v Speaker 2>this fire. So a few dozen feet away from the

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<v Speaker 2>other towers is this MESA Silmar transition transmission line which

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<v Speaker 2>has not been connected to a power source since the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, but some investigators, and now of course

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<v Speaker 2>the attorneys who are relying on those investigators, believe that

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<v Speaker 2>there are ways that that line, even though it's not

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<v Speaker 2>connected to a battery down at the other end, or

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<v Speaker 2>however you want to put it, could still become energized.

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<v Speaker 2>On January seventh, the company said in a filing this

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<v Speaker 2>is Edison that it is trying to evaluate whether the

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<v Speaker 2>fire was started by a re energizit just try that again,

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<v Speaker 2>re energization, I think that's always say it of the

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<v Speaker 2>MESA Silmar line that is unused. A fire safety scientist

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<v Speaker 2>Veto Bobrowskis that's quite a name, has said it is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly possible that the line could have become re energized

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<v Speaker 2>on January seventh because of a principle called induction, an

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<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic field from the transmission line that is operating, and

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<v Speaker 2>again it's just a few feet away, would basically cut

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<v Speaker 2>through a deadline and induce a current in it. There

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<v Speaker 2>have been dozens and dozens of work orders that have

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<v Speaker 2>been that Edison knows exist on those lines for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things to prevent fires, to weed debatement, tree

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<v Speaker 2>limb clearing, and stuff like that. And he said that

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<v Speaker 2>those work orders do cite ignition risks preak precisely because

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<v Speaker 2>of the induction possibility that high voltages.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be induced.

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<v Speaker 2>So even though it was technically a deadline, it had

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<v Speaker 2>not been connected to a power source for a few decades,

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<v Speaker 2>the potential could still exist that that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the cause of the fire. That's all I lost you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I just thought that we had established that

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<v Speaker 1>they caused the fire. All the power that power and

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<v Speaker 1>energy companies are evil. They are They're going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you anything they can to shirk any sort of responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>and liability.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things Gavin Newsom coming up. Number one, he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to borrow more money. He wants to borrow billions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars because the state is paying for health care for

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<v Speaker 2>illegal aliens. But also the interview that he did with

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Tim Walls in his This is Gavin Newsom, Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Walls says something that will make you laugh out loud.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I can't wait, and he meant it so seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad that I've spent zero time checking out

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Newsom's podcast, but I feel like the highlights highlights

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<v Speaker 1>are making their way to me to where I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to sift through all the detritis to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a few gems.

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<v Speaker 2>There's about fifty five zero minutes of fluff and then

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<v Speaker 2>like four or five minutes notable. Sometimes are positive, notable

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<v Speaker 2>agreements that Gavin Newsom has with Republicans or MAGA people,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's just the most ridiculous things you've ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I salute the people that sift through these podcasts and

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<v Speaker 1>bring me the highlights.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>Live everywhere on the iHeart Radio app. Jarry Shannon, you

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<v Speaker 3>two are not d's, you're a's. You're like angels.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if it wasn't for your show, my day just

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<v Speaker 2>would not be complete.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, guys, SEO, thank you, Well, that's very sweet

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<v Speaker 3>and was very concerned. How many did we.

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<v Speaker 1>Get that said, yeah, you're absolutely we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>play those. Yeah, exactly, look at you picking and choosing.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the guy, the reporter out of Kansas City who

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<v Speaker 1>was found dead at the Super Bowl and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a woman charged with his murder.

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<v Speaker 3>The Telemundo reporter, Yeah, rising star there in Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 1>This is his third straight Super Bowl he was covering

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<v Speaker 1>and turned up dead. It was alcohol and xanax and

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<v Speaker 1>a combination. If you're not used to it, it'll kill you,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you throw up in your sleep. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened with this guy. And that was not an

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<v Speaker 1>endorsement to get used to it. I'll uh white lotus,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what I mean. He apparently was not

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<v Speaker 1>the first person that this woman had drugged with the

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<v Speaker 1>goal of robbing them. Apparently this is what she does.

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<v Speaker 1>She gives guys alcohol, she pretends to party with them,

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<v Speaker 1>she laces their drinks with xanax until they pass out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she robs them. In fact, she was on

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<v Speaker 1>probation at the time of this murder. She was serving

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<v Speaker 1>a ten year suspended sentence in connection with the drugging

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<v Speaker 1>of another man. She was convicted of multiple felonies in

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<v Speaker 1>prison sentence. She was given a suspended spended sentence. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, the attorney in that case had said, she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to kill someone. You don't put her in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going to keep doing this, She's going to kill someone,

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<v Speaker 1>and she did. It's wild. And it's often that you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about a woman drugging a man. I bet it

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<v Speaker 1>happens more often than not, but men just don't report

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<v Speaker 1>it because they're embarrassed totally.

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<v Speaker 4>How many.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex workers, since that's the new term, do this, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because they know dudes are dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised sex worker is still in vogue. That it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like sex entrepreneur or sex visionary, physical task entrepreneur,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Newsom is saying that he's not going to stop

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<v Speaker 2>providing healthcare to illegal aliens in California, despite being billions

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<v Speaker 2>b billions of dollars short on state healthcare costs. The

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<v Speaker 2>governor this week requested two point eight billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>To help cover the soaring Medicaid costs.

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<v Speaker 2>This is two point eight billion dollars on top of

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<v Speaker 2>the three point four billion dollars that he's had to

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<v Speaker 2>borrow from the state's general fund to cover the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of all of this so far. He expected it to

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<v Speaker 2>be about six billion when he expanded medical to cover

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<v Speaker 2>all people in the state, regardless of immigration status, and

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<v Speaker 2>it has ballooned to at least nine and a half billion.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he's not changing his mind at all. Ashley'

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<v Speaker 2>zavalla from kcra up in Sacramento caught up with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything you can share about just the undocumented

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare expansion and how that's contributing to what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Happening right now?

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<v Speaker 5>That's partial. We've seen in Pennsylvania, Colorado, Indiana, and that

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<v Speaker 5>don't have that expansion, they had even more sizeable supplementals

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<v Speaker 5>into their medicaid system. This was something we previewed in

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<v Speaker 5>the January budget and something that I had previewed in

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<v Speaker 5>separate conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>With other governors.

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<v Speaker 5>It was highlighted actually in December at the Democratic Governors

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<v Speaker 5>Association as an issue we were seeing all across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>So now it's essentially the cost of doing business for

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<v Speaker 1>operating a sanctuary state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then no acknowledgment of Hey, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we underestimated what the costs are going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>We should rethink the program. No, no, it's throw more

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<v Speaker 2>money at the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's going to cost you more than if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the program. Like I said, the cost the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of doing business. If you're going to open up

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<v Speaker 1>your borders for everybody, they're gonna get sick, and what's

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<v Speaker 1>the cheapest way to take care of them because you

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<v Speaker 3>It's this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember when Jesse Smolette was interviewed after the

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<v Speaker 1>Will never be the man that this did not happen to.

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<v Speaker 1>They're setting on fire every double naked, then I will

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<v Speaker 1>never not be the not be the man of this

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason this echoed that to me. Governor Tim

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<v Speaker 2>And they were talking about the right and right leaning

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<v Speaker 6>Just baffled me how much time they spent trying to

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<v Speaker 6>Like I would have never believed this. I saw Fox

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<v Speaker 6>But they focused on it obsessively, which I think again

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<v Speaker 7>I think this notion of I think it's this notion

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<v Speaker 7>think it's been conflated. And I think we're going to

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<v Speaker 6>I think I scare them a little bit what.

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<v Speaker 3>He scares us with his masculinity.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when you think of masculine, does Tim Walls embody

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<v Speaker 1>Wait? My brain froze a little bit when he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this straw. Was he saying that they were

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, was it a plastic straw? I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I kind of remember this he had at I

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<v Speaker 3>Something or something claims it was a milkshake. Well, anyway, No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not scared of Tim Walls. He goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 3>I I give both of.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys should not be but these two guys are

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<v Speaker 1>not who they're talking about when they're talking about toxic

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<v Speaker 1>masculinity and things that if you are scared of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I e. Show me the bear and not the man

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and Gavin Newsom has in the past referred to

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<v Speaker 2>this the idea of toxic masculinity because he's got teenage

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<v Speaker 2>boys at least one I don't know, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>this having this is an issue that he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to deal with, right you said it yesterday. Stop

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<v Speaker 2>telling boys that they're bad, that they're inherently bad, or

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<v Speaker 2>that they're inherently violent or they're inherently sexual predators, like,

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<v Speaker 2>stop telling them that because you're going to destroy them

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<v Speaker 3>Turn them into that or you're going to turn them

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he at least acknowledges that that's an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea that somehow someone's afraid of Tim Walls's masculinity,

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<v Speaker 2>or that he was afraid that Republicans are afraid that

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Walls could kick their ass, was another thing that

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<v Speaker 2>he said.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I mean, maybe they were to say that trust me,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you're not masculine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think about how he's thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's saying that the Republicans, while they're planting their

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<v Speaker 1>If they looked at Tim Walls and saw here's a

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<v Speaker 1>masculine guy who cares about women's issues or trans people,

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<v Speaker 1>what have you, that they're worried about that because it

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<v Speaker 1>shows that you can be both. He should have articulated that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I can see that argument of like, here's a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's what they were trying to sell

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<v Speaker 1>honestly on that ticket, is that Tim Walls is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's a dude's dude hunter. Yeah, but yet all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff whatever, whatever, These people are all so self important.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so gross to me. No one's spending that

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<v Speaker 1>much time thinking about you. We all forgot about the

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<v Speaker 1>straw incident because we didn't care when it happened. Nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>still thinking about that. Nobody's thinking about either one of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fact that they have a podcast where they're

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about themselves and their own ideologies and everything

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<v Speaker 1>are in power politically.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what you said yesterday about Chuck Schumer thinking that

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<v Speaker 3>His book tour. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I getting to the age where just stand up isn't

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<v Speaker 1>funny because it's hurtful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's potentially well we've we talked with him last month. Shannon,

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<v Speaker 2>LAPD chief Jim McDonald has joined joined us. Chief, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for taking time for us once again.

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<v Speaker 8>Good morning, Thank you both for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about you well, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about you was a couple of years ago when

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<v Speaker 1>I finally got to Fenway.

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<v Speaker 3>And beautiful, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm standing outside and it's all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, all the build up of thinking of going

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<v Speaker 1>to Fenway, it all pays off, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's not just a romantic thing in your head.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I'm standing outside there and I just get chills,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just like and then I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>like you you grew up right around.

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<v Speaker 8>There, Yeah, right down the street. Yeah, it's a special

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<v Speaker 8>place I think in American history. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fantastic. I would go if I haven't been here.

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<v Speaker 1>Is your endorsement to go exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Chief.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, you guys released the end of your crime

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<v Speaker 2>report for twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go over some of those numbers. What were the

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think the big ones had struck me or

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<v Speaker 8>the retection and homicides were down fourteen percent from the

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<v Speaker 8>year before, and that is that's a big one. That's

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<v Speaker 8>the one that everybody counts very accurately, so I think

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<v Speaker 8>as a measure of success, certainly we looked to that

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<v Speaker 8>one for twenty twenty four. Then we built on that

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<v Speaker 8>in the first quarter this year. We're down an additional

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<v Speaker 8>forty percent. For twenty twenty four, the victim shot a

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<v Speaker 8>number of people shot was down nineteen percent. Rapes decreased

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<v Speaker 8>by almost one hundred during the year. Robberies saw a

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<v Speaker 8>slight decline and then a large decline and aggravated assaults

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<v Speaker 8>from over twenty thousand down to seventeen thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 8>and so all in, I'll look at our numbers across

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<v Speaker 8>the board, twenty twenty four was a good year for

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<v Speaker 8>Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember a press conference five hundred years ago. You

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<v Speaker 1>were an assistant chief at the time. Bill Bratton was there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys, the focus was talking about community policing

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the broken windows theory. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're a big community policing guy. And now that you're

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<v Speaker 1>back at the helm of the LAPD, do you see

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<v Speaker 1>room for more of that? Is that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>items on your agenda is to really I mean post pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>post protest life. Is this something that could really create

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<v Speaker 1>great strides in Los Angeles right now in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, absolutely, I think it's we're looking at community policing

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<v Speaker 8>as more of a philosophy how we do business looking

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<v Speaker 8>at the root causes rather than just the symptoms or incidents.

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<v Speaker 8>That's a focus that we have taken and will continue

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<v Speaker 8>to take. I look at, you know, the areas that

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<v Speaker 8>are covered by our folks who work the Community Safety

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<v Speaker 8>Partnership Bureau, where they focused community policing efforts and strategies

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<v Speaker 8>on particular places. Homicides fell by forty percent in those

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<v Speaker 8>areas in twenty twenty four. And so when you look

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<v Speaker 8>at the success of engaging with the community. Nobody knows

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<v Speaker 8>a particular neighborhood better than the people who live there.

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<v Speaker 8>So if we can make them part of the public

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<v Speaker 8>safety equation and partner with them, we get tremendous results.

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<v Speaker 8>So the effort will be to continue that and take

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<v Speaker 2>One of the criticisms from people who watch crime numbers

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<v Speaker 2>like this is that the definitions of crime have changed

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<v Speaker 3>How do you account for that?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you make sure that the numbers are as

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, we do the best we can to try and

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<v Speaker 8>be able to compare Apple stables and have. This year

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<v Speaker 8>has been a modification in that because the whole nation

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<v Speaker 8>has transferred in process of transferring from the uniform Crime

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<v Speaker 8>Reporting System, which is the one we've used for well

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<v Speaker 8>over one hundred years, to now the National Incident Based

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<v Speaker 8>Reporting System or NIGHBERS. That fundamentally changes the way crime

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<v Speaker 8>the input on the front end, it captures a lot

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<v Speaker 8>more data, so it gives us the ability to do

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<v Speaker 8>a greater level of analysis and to be able to

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<v Speaker 8>identify patterns and trends and clusters of crime. So all

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<v Speaker 8>in all, it'll be worth the transition down the road,

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<v Speaker 8>but for this year, comparing it year to year data

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<v Speaker 8>will be difficult. It happened the transition took place in

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<v Speaker 8>May of last year, and so in May of this

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking to LAPD Chief Jim McDonell, and you're a

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<v Speaker 1>e bikes, and I know Orange Counties got some things

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<v Speaker 1>what can be kind of done.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of getting a handle on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess for lack of a better because there's no

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<v Speaker 1>you can't pass any laws against them or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but they certainly seem to be kind of a nuisance

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<v Speaker 1>at least in some parts.

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<v Speaker 8>Of LA Yeah. You know, like anything good, there will

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<v Speaker 8>other purposes and become either a nuisance or worse. In

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<v Speaker 8>the case of e bikes, much like any of our

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<v Speaker 8>education to educate the community about the dangers of using

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<v Speaker 8>And then usually we would look at engineering, where are

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<v Speaker 8>And again going back to the first part, letting people

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<v Speaker 8>You know, if they're operating this vehicle or any other

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<v Speaker 8>vehicle in an unsafe manner, we can take enforcement action.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think that's hopefully a last resort, but those

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<v Speaker 8>are the way we deal with these type of problems.

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<v Speaker 8>Education in the schools as well. Social media also may

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<v Speaker 8>have an impact.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about LAPD Chief Jim McDonald. Jim, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have an opportunity, Chief, can you stick around for another segment?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh? Sure, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 4>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a couple more questions. I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into technology also.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also want to ask him the Jeopardy question

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<v Speaker 1>of the day because it's about Ireland and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he's going to know it better than you will.

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<v Speaker 2>Right more with LAPD Chief McDonald when we come back.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AIX.

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<v Speaker 1>Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. We are talking to

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<v Speaker 1>la PD Chief Jim McDonell, who I think was everybody's pick,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's favorite to lead the department where he spent so

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<v Speaker 1>much time. He spent time really everywhere Long Beach LAPD

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Department, and he is back at the helm of

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<v Speaker 1>the LAPD and has found it in his heart to

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<v Speaker 1>spend some time with us.

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<v Speaker 3>How about them Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 8>Chief, They're doing great, maybe unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe about Rodney Pete in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night snagging that ball from Max Munsey along the

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<v Speaker 1>first baseline there, Mike, we should.

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<v Speaker 3>Lock him up? Maybe we locked up? You beat him

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<v Speaker 3>on the tarmament.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodney works down the hall from us, so he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of our friends here at Yeah, it really is a

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<v Speaker 1>great family. Chief.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about crime numbers, and we've talked a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about artificial intelligence for in all different industries and different

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<v Speaker 2>walks of life. Is there a move at all, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's LAPD specific or law enforcement in general, to use

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence in policing.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, there's a lot of vendors trying to be able

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<v Speaker 8>to enter the market and the public safety arena. Certainly

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of money to be made long term in it,

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<v Speaker 8>but also a great tool, but one that I would

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<v Speaker 8>deest that we, you know, my peers, that we beat

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<v Speaker 8>judicious about employing that and not doing it too fast

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<v Speaker 8>and end up losing a great tool. But I think

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<v Speaker 8>where we can see at end of the market now

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<v Speaker 8>is to be able to go into realms and reams

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<v Speaker 8>of data to be able to find things that are detective,

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<v Speaker 8>say it could normally find if they had the time,

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<v Speaker 8>but they don't, and allow them to be able to

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<v Speaker 8>narrow the field and look at clues or data that

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<v Speaker 8>they need to be able to put a case together

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<v Speaker 8>twise with redaction and so many other things that we

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<v Speaker 8>do that we just don't have the personnel to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>To be able to get.

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<v Speaker 8>An assist from AI or machine learning, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>to begin with Uh, it would be a big help.

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<v Speaker 1>How refreshing to hear somebody in power say, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money to be made in contracts, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, public money right to be made with

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<v Speaker 1>contracts with the city or the police department or fire

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. But to make sure all right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we we it's the future. We'll probably contract out the

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, but just be careful and do it

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a great tool. And

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<v Speaker 8>like so many other great tools, we have a tendency

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<v Speaker 8>to rush into things and and put them to work

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<v Speaker 8>right away, and it's you know, premature, and we end

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<v Speaker 8>up losing some some good opportunities.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think you lose. You have the potential also

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<v Speaker 3>to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>What makes what makes the job a great thing is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's human interaction.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, you know we may I mentioned last

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<v Speaker 3>time that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were talking with you chieved that of the thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>contacts that the LAPED has every single day with people,

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<v Speaker 2>we only hear one or two or three, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>usually not positive. I mean that's and there's thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>other great, positive contacts that happen every single day that

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<v Speaker 2>just don't get the attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, probably literally millions of contacts a year. Uh, And

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<v Speaker 8>you hear about the ones that go wrong, and we

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<v Speaker 8>hit it when any go wrong. But when you think

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<v Speaker 8>about people call it police when their world is upside down,

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<v Speaker 8>their situation is out of their control. The police come

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<v Speaker 8>into a situation that's emotionally charged or more difficult with

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<v Speaker 8>you know, alcohol, drugs and mental illness involved so often

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<v Speaker 8>the case today, and try and be able to de

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<v Speaker 8>escalate the situation and restore some order and get people

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<v Speaker 8>the services they need. That's pretty challenging for anyone in

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<v Speaker 8>any field. And that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Call after call.

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<v Speaker 1>Chief McDonald may have been from Boston area Brookline, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is.

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<v Speaker 3>A graduate of the LA Police Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember, and I'm putting you on the spot here,

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<v Speaker 1>but do you remember of any of those like early

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<v Speaker 1>interactions you had, whether it was in the academy or

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<v Speaker 1>after you got the academy with people in the community

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stick with you throughout your masterful career.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean now as head of the LAPD, but thin

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<v Speaker 1>like interactions or cases or things that stuck with you

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<v Speaker 1>that remind you of why you do what you do.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh absolutely, you know, thinking back, that was forty four

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<v Speaker 8>years ago and I remember it like it was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 8>But coming out onto the street in the city I

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<v Speaker 8>didn't know at the time with people I had never

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<v Speaker 8>met before was something that was exciting but challenging, and

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<v Speaker 8>to be able to kind of acclimate to a new

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<v Speaker 8>culture and certainly a new career. I look back on

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<v Speaker 8>that and the thing that reminded me continuously of why

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<v Speaker 8>we do what we do sometimes under the most difficult

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<v Speaker 8>to circumstances is because of the victims, the people out

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<v Speaker 8>there who truly need the police, who without the police

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<v Speaker 8>would be living in terror, be locked in their homes,

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<v Speaker 8>and not be able to function in the way that

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<v Speaker 8>we all as Americans would expect to be able to.

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<v Speaker 8>And so yeah, I've constantly been reminded throughout my career

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<v Speaker 8>of why I'm here, primarily because of the people who

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<v Speaker 8>need us the most.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, are you ready for your jeopardy question? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, this is something we do every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I ask Gary a stupid jeopardy question from the stupid

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<v Speaker 1>desk calendar we have. But today it's Ireland for one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars, Chief, Founded in nine fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Founded in nine fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>This city, known for its crystal, is the oldest in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 8>Crystal.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the south. It's in the south. Waterford's Waterford Crystal.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow, Why do I not know that that's the most

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<v Speaker 8>carbon crystal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I went to Waterford in Ireland and it was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to write home about. It was very industrial, the

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<v Speaker 1>crystal warehouse was very nondescript.

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<v Speaker 3>But the crystal is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 8>Stump me on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. Next next time, I'll make sure to get

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<v Speaker 1>you gimme.

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<v Speaker 3>Chief. Thanks for your time once again, we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>For having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely lapd Chief two McDonald there with the latest and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we like like these conversations with him and hopefully well

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<v Speaker 2>he'll come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, up next swamp.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch what's going on in DC, specifically the call with

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and Zelenski from today.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the hard hitting topic is the doggie bag dead.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a doggie bag story.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it about your dog when it was dying? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to hear the story again. It's very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>How about a story about a doggie bag that you

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<v Speaker 1>got in before you didn't die.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he got into it before, he didn't know, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was like a death's door. Means it was a

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<v Speaker 3>nice story.

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<v Speaker 2>To share emotions. And now now you know why I

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<v Speaker 2>don't share emotions. You miss any part of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>go back and check out the podcast. Miss better any

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<v Speaker 2>part of the show. Gary and Shannon on the iHeart

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<v Speaker 1>We've gotten to the point, what ten years down the

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<v Speaker 1>line where it's like, ah, I don't tell that, sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me French fries. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>how'd you know? Gary and Shannon will continue right after

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<v Speaker 3>this you've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.

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