WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.359 Oh, redal tess Are and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:51.359 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan. 3 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:52.359 I'm Jacobin. 4 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:54.840 Today we got a long awaited show. 5 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.240 It's been talked about for weeks now and it's finally here. 6 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.960 Welcome to the show. Well, Lord Byron Jester. First of all, 7 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:03.039 how you doing today, sir? 8 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:04.480 Oh, I'm fantastic. 9 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.000 How you guys doing awesome? 10 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:11.280 Awesome man, And also accompanying him would be JS Garrett. 11 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:12.120 What's up, dude? 12 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.480 Hey, how's going man? Thanks for having me on. 13 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.719 Yeah, you know, we've been talking about this for a 14 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:23.319 little while, just trying to understand your side over there, 15 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.439 and you know, and yeah, well, I mean you came 16 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.319 on too Meta Mysteries a couple of months ago, and 17 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.200 that was a fascinating conversation. I absolutely loved it, me 18 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:36.439 and Sean both and of course Byron, you know, you're 19 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.000 our first magician friend, so you're I mean, you've made 20 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.920 more appearances on Meta Mysteries than I think anybody else, 21 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:45.959 so it's kind of your home away from home there. 22 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:47.079 But uh, but. 23 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:50.040 Yeah, dude, it's been really looking forward to this conversation, 24 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.359 and mainly because well, we have a few questions. I 25 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:56.879 mainly kind of wanted you and Jacob to go back 26 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.439 and forth because I've already had the conversation with you. 27 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:06.760 But if you could maybe explain what it is you do, Okay. 28 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.840 I'll do my best to sum that up, and as 29 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:10.840 few words as possible here, A. 30 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:12.919 Few words, whatever, long words. 31 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.039 Either way, it goes for anybody who is a listener 32 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.520 of the Cult of Conspiracy who has never heard any 33 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:20.560 bit of the work that you do, how you got 34 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.400 started it, to what levels it goes, give us the 35 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.319 overarching elevator speech, if you will, all right. 36 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:30.680 Cool, Well, I'm a professional black magician. Some people would 37 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:34.319 call you a ceremonial magician. I don't really do ceremonies. 38 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.080 I perform rituals specifically to cause action at a distance. 39 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.000 Whereas ceremonies is exactly that it's it's it's a it's 40 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.039 a ceremony for show. We're actually using metaphysics to try 41 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.960 to create change in reality. So I do a lot 42 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.759 of a lot of saprificial rights professionally. One of the 43 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:57.280 only people I've ever heard of that offers that is 44 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:01.599 a you know, to the general public, and you know 45 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.080 that usually consists of chopping something's head off in the 46 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:11.319 ritual circle during a black magic ritual operation I work. 47 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:13.240 You know, I think about being a black magicians. We 48 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.879 don't have any rules. We don't you know, we make 49 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:17.639 our own rules. 50 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:17.879 You know. 51 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.439 I can dip into any pathy on It doesn't have 52 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.919 to be a system that you know that you're born into. 53 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.159 It doesn't it doesn't really matter. You know, A black 54 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.159 magician can can delve into any system and find the 55 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.240 gold within it and use it for his practice, his 56 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.360 or her practice. So yeah, I work a lot with demons. 57 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.719 I work a lot with angelics and gin and things 58 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.800 like that as well, pretty much anything that's willing to 59 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.759 work with me that I can build a solid working 60 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:50.000 relationship with anything that's willing to accept a ritual sacrifice 61 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:54.319 in exchange for doing something for me or for someone else. 62 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.000 So I mean, that's that's that's really the best way 63 00:03:58.039 --> 00:03:59.719 I could put it. Man kind of kind of do 64 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.319 a little bit of everything, mostly do healing and things 65 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.560 like that. That's why you know, most people come to me. 66 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.960 I don't offer like curses for hire because I'll be 67 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.719 getting hired to curse people that don't deserve it. And 68 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.240 I only hear one side of the story. So if 69 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.240 someone wants something like that, they're you know, they're gonna 70 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.920 have to have some paperwork or something showing me that 71 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.319 it's like a registered s O or something like that. 72 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.759 So I'm not I'm not above doing that by any means. 73 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:31.079 But yeah, just someone would have to book me for 74 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:32.839 a consultation to talk me into it. 75 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:33.839 Got you. 76 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.279 So I got a couple of questions right off the 77 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.160 rip you are. You don't seem to be an elderly 78 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.920 gentleman by any means. So how long would you say 79 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.360 that you have been performing? Would it be correct to 80 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.839 say the dark arts? I don't want to miss label. 81 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.480 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's you're not gonna fit me 82 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.959 by miss labeling anything. Okay, Well, I mean I'm almost forty, 83 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.079 about to turn forty here in a couple of weeks. 84 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.160 I did my first ritual when I was ten years old. 85 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.279 My first spell I was a curse. Actually, I believe 86 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.360 that someone had harmed my mother, and you know, I 87 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:10.920 was ten years old. What was I going to do? 88 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:12.639 But I want to do something about it, So like 89 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.000 I'll throw some voodoo at that motherfucker. So, yeah, I 90 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.160 had a friend over for a sleepover. Me and him 91 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.360 and my little brother like sat in a triangle and 92 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.319 actually melted down campbells and made like a wax voodoo 93 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.160 doll of this guy and so it turns stabbing it 94 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:31.800 and then then performed like a mock a mock ritual 95 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:37.680 burial after we were done, and that hit pretty hard. 96 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.920 So then, I mean it was like two weeks later 97 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.439 a tree fell on this asshole and broke half the 98 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:48.879 bones in his body. And I'm all right, voodoo works, man. 99 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.199 So I mean I became obsessed with it at a 100 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:55.800 very young age. I didn't start practicing at hardcore until 101 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.800 about at twenty twelve, you know, that's when I really 102 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:05.000 started practicing art course a little over ten years. I've 103 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.920 been doing this professionally for eight years now. 104 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.560 Okay, so I got some questions on the professional nature 105 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.519 of it. But first off, ten years old, for reasons, 106 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:19.879 you feel like you need to make something happen in 107 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.399 your tense. You know your your resources are limited as 108 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.759 far as enacting some bad shit on this guy. 109 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:26.279 I'm with you. 110 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.240 Where did you get the idea to do candles and 111 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.279 make a wax voodoo doll and bury it? Like and 112 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.879 especially now that you are somebody who has been in 113 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:38.879 this world for a good while, I'm sure you look 114 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.120 back at that and laugh, like I thought I was 115 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:43.199 doing this. I was actually doing this, silly me. I 116 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.240 didn't know any better. Where did you get the inspiration 117 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.480 and the uh just the mechanics of that particular ritual 118 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:50.360 at ten years old? 119 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:54.800 Well, I mean i'd obviously probably heard about voodoo dolls 120 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.959 from TV, from movies. Sure, that was the first thing 121 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.959 that popped to mind. So I'm sure I probably seen 122 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.399 that in the movie somewhere. I didn't really know how 123 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.160 to do it, so I just I just really thought 124 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.759 about it for a while, the kind of meditated on it, 125 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:09.839 and it just kind of came to me like, all right, 126 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.399 well it makes sense. You know, I make a wax doll, 127 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:16.399 gotta melt some wax down, and I knew I needed 128 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:20.600 the person's hair to do it. I don't know, instinctively 129 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:21.360 call it. 130 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:22.800 From movies of that too, that's allway. 131 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.399 What was that a practical magic back in the day, 132 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:27.720 they got their teacher's shoe or their hair or whatever 133 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:29.879 made the little Barbie doll do shit in the class? 134 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.800 You know, eighties movies are wild and shit, I get it. 135 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:37.600 So that's probably where I got my ideas from. It 136 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.639 is hard to remember which which movies I had seen 137 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.360 at that age, but you know the rest of it, 138 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.160 I just kind of winged it. You know, I knew 139 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:49.120 I needed. I instinctively knew that I needed like raw 140 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:53.199 anger and rage. Yeah, they needed a fetish link, and 141 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.399 so I obtained that, which was the hair carved their 142 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.160 name and birthday into the dolls chest with like a 143 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.920 long sharp needle. And yeah, we just took turns stabbing it, 144 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:10.000 and just I stabbed the doll until I destroyed it 145 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.800 for one but and so I felt better about it, 146 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:17.759 you know, like exhausted my anger during that, and I 147 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.279 just I had absolute confidence that it was going to 148 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.279 do something, you know, and it did. 149 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.319 It brought up a term called the fetish link. 150 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.800 Now, for a lot of people, they may not know 151 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.920 what you mean by that, right, So fetish has different connotations, 152 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.720 especially in our modern English of vernacular. They're gonna think 153 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.559 you mean some BDSM fifty shades the bullshit things up 154 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:36.879 in here. 155 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:38.320 So recently we. 156 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:41.720 Did an episode talking about the Dogon tribe in Africa. Right, 157 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.600 they are very superstitious people and they have alters with 158 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.679 their fetishes on it. We kind of talked about it briefly, 159 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.000 but can you go into depth about what you mean 160 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.399 by that as a fetish link for magic? 161 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.440 Okay, all right? So what I mean by that is 162 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.919 something of the person's or you know, like a piece 163 00:08:59.919 --> 00:09:04.600 of them hair, fingernails, blood, DNA, or you know, something 164 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.759 that it belongs to them that they've had a lot 165 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.360 of physical contact with. Could work for something like that, 166 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.879 like a piece of jewelry that that person has worn, 167 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:15.279 or if you have none of that, then you make 168 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.720 your own fed link out of the photo. So I 169 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.679 got a photo printer. I do that for clients Adam 170 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.200 sending their pictures, Send me your name, send me your birthday, 171 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.759 and yeah, you create your own fetish link using that 172 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.200 picture of the person. That's a that's a representation of 173 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.600 that person in this holographic matrix that we're living in 174 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.120 and printed out pictures work great. 175 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.240 And you said that it's important that this is there, 176 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.440 right Like, you can't. This is not something you can 177 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:48.440 do off of intention alone. Is it possible to perform 178 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.279 a ritual or sacrifice or ceremony to whatever level? Again, 179 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.759 not trying to miss label that you do, but you 180 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.960 have envisioned it so deeply in hardcore in your mind 181 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.200 that that would work as a fetish link or does 182 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.799 there actually have to be something physical as a part 183 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:03.600 of the ordeal? 184 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:07.759 Okay, so I'll say that you can do spellcraft on 185 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.639 another person without that fetish link. Obviously, you have to 186 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.440 know who they are. You need to know their name 187 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:15.080 and you know what. You need to know who your 188 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.480 target is, you know, but the fetish link helps, it 189 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.639 really helps, especially if it's DNA. I mean, because if 190 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.000 you were going to make for sympathetic magic anyway, you 191 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.919 really need something like that. Where I say sympathetic magic, 192 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.799 that would be like using a voodoo doll. You're you're 193 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.360 trying if you were going to make a doll of 194 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:38.120 somebody and put some of them in that doll, what 195 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:41.480 you're trying to do is quantumly entangle that doll with 196 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.360 that person to energetically, so whatever you do to the 197 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:51.519 doll happens to them. So with evocation you don't need 198 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.879 any of that stuff. That's where you would actually summon 199 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.480 a demon and ask them to go after that person 200 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.200 for you do something specific. So let's say I want 201 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:05.559 to attack somebody and I don't know who they are. 202 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.600 I'll give you an example. If somebody that's been flying 203 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.360 a drone around my house at night, trying to peek 204 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.000 in the windows, trying to get a look at me 205 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.159 out in the backyard doing what I'm doing, I'm just like, Okay, look, 206 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.639 could be anybody within a you know, two or three 207 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.000 mile radius to hear. So how would I deal with 208 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.559 that person? Well, I might not know who they are, 209 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.639 but I bet a demon will. So I would summon 210 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.120 a demon and say, hey, whoever's flying is drone around 211 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.360 my house peeking in the windows. And I have not 212 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:38.720 done this yet, I was considering doing this. Obviously there's 213 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:41.120 a good chance that some stupid kid with a drone 214 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:44.360 messing around. Just that's the case, then okay, I'm not 215 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.759 worried about it. At least, I don't want anybody looking 216 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.960 at my windows at night. But I mean, I'm more 217 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.320 worried about the fifty year old pervert that you know 218 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:54.679 lives in someone's basement. 219 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.840 You know, that's another question. 220 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:57.039 Though. 221 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.279 Let's say that that is the case the drone situation. 222 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:03.639 You sick a demon on this person. You don't know 223 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.000 if it's a kid or if it's a fifty year 224 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.879 old man, will the demon have the morality to say, 225 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.080 urch a, wait a second, that's a twelve year old 226 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.200 fucking off. Maybe I shouldn't go and deal with this 227 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.519 or will they just kind of do as they're commanded 228 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:14.759 to do? 229 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.639 Well, first of all, I don't command them at all, 230 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:22.840 excuse me. The second of all, that depends on the demon, 231 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.000 and I would definitely want to specify that if I 232 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.639 were going to perform that operation, like, Hey, if this 233 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:32.960 is a kid, I'm not worried about it, don't do anything. 234 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.159 But if it's on perverb trying to get a look at, 235 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.960 you know, my girlfriend through the window or something, then 236 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.279 take them out. I don't care how you take them out, 237 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:41.840 just take them out. I don't everyone to see that 238 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.039 drone flying around my house again. So that's how I 239 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:44.759 would deal with that. 240 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:51.200 And you know, most of most magicians will use or 241 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:53.679 witches whatever you want to call them, will use sympathetic 242 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:55.480 magic if they're wing to attack someone. 243 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.360 Very few people are skilled enough to thought forms or 244 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:06.559 work with demonic anentities successfully to attack someone, and even 245 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:08.240 the ones that are capable of it, a lot of 246 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.840 times they'll still use sympathetic magic for some reason. 247 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.279 So if you could break this down a little deeper, 248 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.480 sympathetic magic and then use the term thought forms to 249 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:18.799 evoke a demon break down a little bit deeper what 250 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.080 you mean by this? What is sympathetic magic and how 251 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.080 does that differ from I don't want to use like 252 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.240 candle magic obviously uses candles, but like sympathetic magic as 253 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.200 opposed to what other types. 254 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:33.840 Yes, sympathetic magic is where you know what like for instance, 255 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.639 making a doll or making a love jar or a 256 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:40.960 cursed jar, something that you're doing arts and craft wise 257 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.559 to go along with this, where you'd want something of 258 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.480 that person's to link the energy to this. If you 259 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.399 were going to make like a hex bag or something 260 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.399 or poison jar, you would want a fetish link to 261 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.600 put in there, and that would be considered sympathetic magic. 262 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:59.360 Whereas attacking someone with thought forms or demonic evocation, there 263 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.000 is none of that. All I have to do is 264 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:06.200 successfully someone that entity and negotiate with them to do 265 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.679 what I'm asking them to do. And I always pay 266 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.360 up front, I pay in advance. That's where the sacrifice 267 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:12.679 comes in, because I don't like. 268 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.080 To owe anybody anything, and I don't want to owe 269 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:19.879 any entity anything either, So you know, I will offer 270 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.799 them a sacrifice along with a petition to do what 271 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.240 I'm asking in exchange for that sacrifice. 272 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.200 Now, can they screw me and take the sacrifice and 273 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.120 not do what I ask them? Absolutely? Really, they you know, 274 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.559 they probably are not going to do that if you 275 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:42.120 approach them respectfully. It's like if the spirit does not 276 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.600 respect you, they're not going to help you, you know, 277 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.360 or they might teach you a stupid lesson, you know. 278 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.159 But if you approach them in the right way and 279 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:57.120 from a place of strength and confidence and ultimately respect, 280 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.480 you know, having if you're going to invite an important 281 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.279 person of or your house for dinner, or anyone or 282 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.360 just over your house to ask them for a favor, 283 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.360 you'd offer from something to drink, you'd all for something 284 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.000 to eat, you clean your kitchen, you know, like you 285 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.759 would treat that person with respect. So I do the 286 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.080 same thing when I work with entities. I have a 287 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.720 nice meal prepared for them, and that is usually a rooster. 288 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.279 So we like a few years ago, we had this 289 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.799 guest on and he is a self proclaimed Reptilian channeler, 290 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:32.000 and and it almost sounds very similar as to what 291 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.000 you're talking about as for your work with demons, because 292 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.600 he was basically saying, look, you gotta you got to 293 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.679 go in with a certain level of confidence, so they're 294 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.159 just gonna boss you around the whole time, and they're 295 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.480 very you know, uh, I don't know what the. 296 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.399 Term the types of reptiles who was something over the 297 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:51.519 Alpha Draconians, which are like a warring dickhead style tribe 298 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.440 of the extraterrestrial variety. He's basically saying, if you're not 299 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.519 coming in there like you have the biggest stick in 300 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:58.399 the room, they're gonna treat you like a bit. You 301 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.519 had to come in with some swagger to even have 302 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.480 the conversation, right yeah, yeah, Yeah. 303 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.320 That's why most people recommend, like been working with Gin, 304 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:13.159 especially violent Gin, that you carry a sword in the 305 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.639 in the ritual space with you, Like they'll actually tell 306 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:17.720 you to wear a sword. You know, I'll be standing 307 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.720 there like this. You know that's acting like a threat, 308 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.080 but having a weapon is a. 309 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:24.960 Show of strength. Mm hmm. 310 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:28.399 Okay, So I got many many questions to follow up on, 311 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:30.679 but real quick, you just said a gin and it 312 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.240 sounds like you are distinguishing them as separate entities from demons. 313 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.879 Can you give me a breakdown is what the differences are, 314 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.320 if there are any? Or are you using these terms interchangeably? 315 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:41.120 Uh? 316 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.840 Okay me personally, I don't think there's much of a 317 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.440 difference all right, other than how cultures describe entities. 318 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.039 Most scholars would agree with you, But the way you've 319 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:51.960 been using it, I'm just making sure. Is there a 320 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.279 difference between calling upon a gen versus calling upon a demon? 321 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.200 Probably specific, right, I think it's really just the label 322 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.519 that we slap on them. 323 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.639 Okay, Okay, that's fair because the Gin are more of 324 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:08.039 the Arabic variety, but by their definition and by their depictions, 325 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.039 they are what some of the more western scholarly types 326 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.079 would classify as demonic entities. 327 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:15.079 So yeah, I didn't know. 328 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.599 Just here, like the ars Gaetia, you know, it's got 329 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.720 the list of the seventy two demons or gin that 330 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.559 King Solomon worked with and then bound in the Brass vessel. Well, 331 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:28.319 I mean, according to the Keys of Solomon, those are Gin, 332 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:32.400 all right, But most people refer to them as demons. 333 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:35.799 The Christians definitely refer to them as demons, right, So 334 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.079 what exactly are they? What's the difference. I don't know 335 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.519 if you'd be able to really tell a difference if 336 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:44.000 a gin and an angel and a demon were all 337 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.000 standing next to each other. I don't think you be 338 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:47.039 to tell them apart. 339 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.039 Fair enough, fair enough? Okay. 340 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:51.960 So you said that you like to pay up front 341 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.319 and you don't want to owe anyone anything. So you 342 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.119 are saying that there are practitioners or even I don't 343 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:01.920 want to say, want to be practitioners or beginners who 344 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.279 will make deals with these demons, but they are not 345 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.440 paying up fronts. They end up owing a demon. What 346 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.599 does that look like on the back end of that? 347 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.799 All right? So, I mean one, one example of what 348 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:17.799 you just said would be to make a pact with 349 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:18.319 a demon. 350 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.000 Yeah, so it's, you. 351 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.680 Know, quid pro qube, like you do to make. 352 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.119 A deal with the devil if you will. 353 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.240 Yeah. Yeah, So so you would have it and you 354 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:28.039 write it like a legal contract. And I have done 355 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.799 this before and I've done it. I've helped other people 356 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.880 do it as well, and it was it was successful, 357 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.279 but they held up their end of the bargain each time. 358 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.200 So you would say, you know, I'm asking you to 359 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:42.000 do this for me, and if you agree to do 360 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:45.440 this for me and this certain time period, then I 361 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.160 will do this for you, you know. So one thing 362 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.720 that you might put in a pact is say, if 363 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.640 you'll help me, then I'll build an altar for you 364 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.039 in my temple and I'll make you a blood offering 365 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.839 once a week. You know, I'll offer you my blood 366 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.160 onto your sigil and then burn it to feed you 367 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.599 blood and blood essence and my personal energy. Or I 368 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.359 might put I'll give you ten sacrifices if you do 369 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.400 this for me. Well, if you do make a pact 370 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.920 and the demon holds up their end and you don't 371 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.559 hold up your end, then that pack is going to 372 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.160 fly apart on you. It is going to end badly. 373 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.279 You'll probably get what you asked for, and then it 374 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.440 will turn sour and flip upside down on you, and 375 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.799 you'll you have only yourself to blame if you make 376 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.559 a deal and you don't keep your end of the bargain. 377 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.960 Okay, So I mean I would agree with that statement. 378 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.519 I just just to you know, what does that look 379 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.039 like as far as would they go back on their 380 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:42.880 deal at that point or is it you know, I 381 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.400 guess it depends on the deal and It depends on 382 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.000 the situation. Is this something where it was a one 383 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.200 shot or deal and now you're on the hook for 384 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.839 the next ten years, or is it something that you know, 385 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.279 a relationship that you ask this demon to make happen 386 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:58.640 for you in that relationship five years, ten years down 387 00:19:58.640 --> 00:19:59.799 the road gets ripped away from you. 388 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:01.519 It I guess it's situationally based. 389 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.440 Yes, yes, absolutely. 390 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:04.680 Okay, fair enough, fair enough. 391 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:08.880 Now you brought up ceremonial magic and you say that 392 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:13.160 that is more for show what you do is by definition, 393 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:14.759 would you call it more practical? 394 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:16.960 Absolutely? Right? 395 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.119 Explain the difference between ceremonial magic and practical magic, because 396 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:24.519 by what you're describing, you do perform a ceremony for 397 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.880 the sacrifice, right, So is it what is the differences here? 398 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.519 Well, to me, I really feel like the difference between 399 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.160 a ceremony and a ritual is a ceremony is done 400 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.480 for the sake of doing the ceremony, whereas a ritual 401 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.839 is done for a specific purpose to cause something to 402 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:46.559 happen as a result of that working. So, uh, Satanic orders, 403 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.960 you know they have they have ceremonies. Catholic Mass is 404 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.880 a ceremony. Yeah, it's it's a it's it's a it's 405 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.079 that's all it is. It's just a ceremony. 406 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.319 And so a black mass as opposed to. 407 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.839 Doing a sacrifice to get a certain response directly, right, 408 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:06.079 got you? 409 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:07.920 Okay, okay, fair enough. 410 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:12.359 Now you said also that you are cutting off the 411 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:14.400 head or sacrificing of the animal. 412 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:15.400 There's blood involved. 413 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:19.400 What types of animals my background of this, Jonathan has 414 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:22.279 told me that chickens get used pretty regularly, and I 415 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.640 mean there's plenty of movies that will show that. I mean, 416 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:26.839 it was a weekend at Bernie's two where they use 417 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.240 a pigeon instead of a chicken. So the dude only 418 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.480 like gets up and walks around when there's music playing 419 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:31.960 or something. 420 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.200 There's you know, they make spoofs of these things. 421 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.720 Now does it matter what type of animal that you're 422 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:38.400 doing for this? 423 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:42.720 Okay? So if that can depend on the entity, if 424 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.359 they have a preference, like it might you know, say 425 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.279 in a grimoire, you know, this spirit prefers this as 426 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.079 a sacrifice. They could prefer a rabbit as opposed to 427 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.240 a chicken, something like that. But the reason that that 428 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.640 most people use chickens is it's practical. They're they're easy 429 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:04.599 to usually and they provide a large amount of blood, 430 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.480 which is the more blood the better in a sacrifice. 431 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:13.079 The more blood the more energy, as well as the size. 432 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:15.960 If you're going to burn the sacrifice instead of eat 433 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.160 it afterwards, then the size of the animal matters too, 434 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.200 because what you're doing is you're putting that is a 435 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.960 sacrifice of burning flesh and blood. So you would make 436 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:28.640 What I do is I make a circle and a 437 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.759 triangle around a fire pit. The fire pit will be 438 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.480 in the very center. I'll summon the entity that I 439 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:38.240 want to work with into the flames. Flame is a 440 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:43.079 spiritual gateway and it works very very well. The flame 441 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:47.119 also transmutes energy. If energy can't be created or destroyed, 442 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:51.400 all you can do is transform then that fire. The 443 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.240 way I see it is transforming that blood in that 444 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.880 flesh into a type of energy that can be fully 445 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.799 absorbed and eaten by that spirit to give them strength 446 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.119 and power. And this works for people too. My most 447 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.279 famous rituals, I call it the right of deification. That's 448 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.799 where I actually we'll have my client lay down and 449 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.480 go to sleep at a specific time, and I will 450 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.079 do that same type of ritual, only I will pull 451 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.720 them out of body and give a sacrifice directly to them, 452 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.759 all right, that energy from that rooster absorbs directly into 453 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:28.559 their physical body. They have done this for people with cancer, 454 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.319 haven't disappear like I've done all kinds of crazy shit 455 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.079 with this ritual. 456 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:35.039 That was my next question is why would you said 457 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:39.079 the sacrifice for deification. Why would someone need the energy 458 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.359 of the chicken, the energy of the sacrifice for their body. 459 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.119 So it's typically for healing. 460 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:49.079 Typically for healing, either that or just overall enhancement. You know, 461 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:53.119 a lot of magicians have had me do this ritual 462 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.359 for them. It gives it. I mean, I'm basically just 463 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.799 transferring all the energy from a rooster into the person. 464 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.960 You can use that energy manifest this physical energy. Like 465 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:05.039 you know, you won't sleep a lot after that. You know, 466 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.839 you sleep for like two hours and then wake up 467 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.000 and be ready to go, especially in the first few 468 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:13.960 months afterwards. But for me, it helps me do my 469 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.880 ritual work because one of these big sacrificial rights that 470 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:19.960 I do multiple times a week, like one of them, 471 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.039 used to wipe me out for at least a week. 472 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.279 Like I'd do it and I'd be exhausted for a week, 473 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.440 and so I started doing this ritual for myself, and 474 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:31.160 I noticed that I could then do work these workings 475 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.759 back to back to back without being completely exhausted. Like 476 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:38.039 it gives me a reserve tank of energy to pull 477 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.920 from in order to put into these workings. So it's 478 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.279 it's it trumps vamporism, you. 479 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:48.640 Know, Okay, fair enough now talking about that you you 480 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.920 are transferring the life energy from this creature to yourself, 481 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.960 not to your necessarily your body, or to your soul 482 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:58.960 or to your essence kind of all the above. 483 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.359 Yeah, all the above. I mean it's first absorbed by 484 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:05.720 your energy body, and then that transfers into the physical 485 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:11.160 body it appears to during sleep. So I find that 486 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.839 the process, at least for me, takes about three days. 487 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.960 To complete the ceremony or to feel the full effect. 488 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.920 Like I have to say, damn it boy, three days jeeah. 489 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.960 No, I can do. I can do the ritual in 490 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.559 about four or five hours. Okay, that's from the time 491 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.680 I start setting up to this time I finish. But 492 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:35.839 I noticed that the energy when I do it for 493 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.559 myself or when I've had other magicians do it for me. 494 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.640 We exchange rituals with each other. I will notice that 495 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.599 energy absorbing into me over about a three day period, 496 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.559 like I'll feel it. I'll literally feel like electricity absorbing 497 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:51.519 into my body. 498 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.880 Okay, so it's it's gonna. 499 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.960 Be probably a little bit different for everyone, but most 500 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:01.160 people react to it very similarly. You know, they have 501 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.880 more energy, higher libido, their health issues clear up because 502 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.119 your body knows how to heal itself, it just needs 503 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.279 the sustenance to do it. So I'm not actually healing them. 504 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:14.119 I'm just giving their the energy they need to heal themselves. 505 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:15.759 Okay. 506 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.319 With that being said, you said that the more blood 507 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:21.039 the better, right, That's why you might use one animal 508 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:25.240 versus another. Does that same rule apply to you whenever 509 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:26.720 you're doing this type of ritual? 510 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:27.839 Yeah? 511 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:32.400 Absolutely, Okay, So just asking the dumb question here, why 512 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:37.000 not sacrifice a pig, a cow, something very large with 513 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.400 a lot of blood. Would that not be even more 514 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.440 so in that realm? Or is it just a logistics 515 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:43.160 issue at that point? 516 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:49.279 No? Absolutely, Yeah, it's a practicality. I can't possibly bring 517 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:54.039 a full grown cow into my backyard and incinerate its 518 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:58.400 entire carcass. But I'm glad you asked that question, because yes, 519 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.759 I do think that a cow or a horse or 520 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.559 a pig would be way more powerful than a rooster, 521 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.039 which is why I'm planning to buy a slaughterhouse in 522 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.680 future that will give me access to these creatures. I'm 523 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.720 actually going to set up ritual alters, you know, each 524 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.720 sacrificial spot like it will be an altar to a 525 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:22.359 different entity. So I'll be feeding these devil's blood twenty 526 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.480 four to seven, all day, every day. 527 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.519 To start a farm, man, yeah, I mean shit, I'm 528 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.759 trying to start my own farm, but not to that purpose. 529 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.960 It's strip just to feed my family on the cheap, 530 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:36.319 cheap there's you know, the long term goal here. 531 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.519 But fuck all right, yeah, farm would work too. 532 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.759 And my grandparents were farmers. I remember them slaughtering their 533 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.759 own cows and pigs and things like that. So yeah, 534 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.319 that's a great idea as well. 535 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:49.920 Just the more economic way to do it. 536 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:50.119 Man. 537 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.680 Honestly, you slaughter one cow, you basically got beef for 538 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.440 the whole year, as long as you got a deep freeze. 539 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.759 I just you know, it's that upfront cost that's the 540 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.839 bitch in the half. But anyway, all right, I'm sorry boys, 541 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.119 I know Jonathan and Lord Byron. I know that we 542 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.519 are kind of boguarding the conversation. If you'all do want 543 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.200 to jump in, please do so. I have like a 544 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:07.279 million questions. 545 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.359 Well, when you're talking about being cheaper, like to raise 546 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.960 your own cattle, it's also a lot more humane and ethical, 547 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.480 you know, Yeah, you know, because like one thing the 548 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.079 vegans do have right is like factory farming is just 549 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:19.880 an abomination. 550 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.279 The industrial agriculture has absolutely been the pain of the earth. 551 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.200 It's a holocaust that happens like every minute of every day. 552 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.480 Yeah, I agree with. 553 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.279 That about right, just for anybody that is curious out there. 554 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.000 And I do want you you guys to go back 555 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.319 to your you know, your conversation that you're having, because 556 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.680 I'm just kind of sitting over here entertained to be honest. 557 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:46.319 But we've had conversations as far as well, how could 558 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.519 you possibly be working with demons and angelic beings? And 559 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.279 and how would you know the difference between an angel 560 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.559 coming to help you as opposed to a demon. Wouldn't 561 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.519 a demon just lie and say that they're an angel? 562 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.839 Or do you absolutely know that whenever you call upon 563 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.039 an angel, it absolutely is an angel? 564 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.440 Now, I mean like I said, those are the labels 565 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.119 that have been put on these beings by different religious organizations. 566 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:17.519 We really don't know what they are, and I don't 567 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.039 think that there's a difference between them really other than 568 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:24.599 their personalities. And I'll tell you what angels can be 569 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.079 just as terrifying, if not more. You know one angel, 570 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.039 and how can I work with both? Because I don't 571 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.680 have any rules. I don't I answer to no one 572 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.359 and nothing, and I can do whatever the hell I want. 573 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:42.119 So that question is not necessarily for you. 574 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.359 It's more along the lines of why would an angel 575 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.200 who works in the side of light even pay attention 576 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.680 to a blood sacrifice being done? By definition, they don't 577 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.079 even pay attention to that because that's not what feeds them. 578 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.240 Well, I mean, the question that's easy to answer is 579 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.519 because they don't give shit. They all like blood. They 580 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.640 all are intoxicated by blood. Angels are more blood thirsty 581 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.720 than demons, dude. And I mean look, I mean they 582 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:13.559 slaughtered all the firstborn children in Egypt. I mean like, like, whenever, 583 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.960 if I really want to fuck somebody up, I'll sum 584 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.440 an angel and send it after him. They're all about 585 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:24.240 smiting someone, dude. Damn lots of wrath and vengeance there. 586 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.240 What type of angel if you don't mind me asking, 587 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.480 There's a few different ranks and file them to them. 588 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:36.920 Oh, I mostly work with archangels, but you definitely Raphael, 589 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.480 the archangel Raphael. That's that's like the number one guy 590 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.559 I work with the heel people. He's also known as 591 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.920 the Divine Surgeon. They said that he has a power 592 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.880 to heal any illness right, and I was like, well, shit, 593 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.799 I'm gonna test that theory. You know, I know somebody's dying. 594 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.559 Let's see if I can stop it. And it works. 595 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:59.400 It absolutely works. It works almost every time, and usually 596 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.119 when it doesn't work, there's underlying factors there that you 597 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.119 don't I have to go back to the drawing board 598 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.599 figure out why it didn't work. Anytime something doesn't work properly, 599 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.799 I'm like, okay, well why you know? Why? Has it 600 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.440 worked every other time I've done it? But not this time? 601 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.240 Something else I'm not seeing here, And so I usually 602 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.880 try again and try again, try again until I get 603 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.240 it right. 604 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.359 Interesting, just out of curiosity as far as the angels 605 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.039 doing it, though, like, are there any demons that would 606 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.119 assist in healing? Or is that only an angelic thing. 607 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:34.920 Yeah. 608 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:41.000 Absolutely, A really excellent demon for healing is Marbos. He's 609 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.039 actually in the arts go Atia. So I mean, like 610 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.480 I said, he's described as a gin, he's described as 611 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.599 a as a demon. Some you know, they'll call him, 612 00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:54.240 you know, fallen angels, you know, like like okay, Belile 613 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.480 for example, the Christians call them the fallen angel, the 614 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.279 Keys of Solomon call them the gin, and everyone else 615 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:05.680 calls him a demon, a demonic king. So okay, just 616 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:11.559 because we're talking about extraterrestrials here, okay, like following angel 617 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.440 means they came down from the heavens to interact with 618 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.240 humans on Earth. That's and it's quite literally, you know, 619 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.799 the definition of an angel is quite literally an extraterrestrial, 620 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.880 you know. And you know, now we would call them 621 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.440 ets if we actually saw them come down from the 622 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.839 heavens and some type of craft, they'd be like holy 623 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.720 shit aliens. But back then they were like holy shit angels. 624 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.640 Bro, I've been saying this. I've been saying this shit 625 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.839 the whole time. Dude, I knew it's the same thing. 626 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.279 Yeah, why do angels or demons need a craft that 627 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:47.640 also kind of goes against their very nature, does it not? 628 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:48.559 Well? 629 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.640 I mean, if you're talking about working, you know, interacting 630 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:52.759 with them in physical form, you don't think they have 631 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.359 physical bodies somewhere. 632 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.000 I mean, I would assume they do, but I also 633 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.839 don't think that their physical bodies necessarily apply to the 634 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.079 of our physical nature, because they're not of our physical nature. 635 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:04.960 If anything, you could say they bouncing it out of 636 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.799 dimensional form or something like that. But having an actual 637 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.279 craft that they are writing to come down, that kind 638 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.200 of sounds a bit ridiculous, isn't it. 639 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.119 Well, I mean, in the Book of Enoch, they were 640 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.480 talking about it being the very physical thing the two 641 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.759 hundred watcher angels that came to Earth to to to 642 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.119 impregnate human women to create the race of giants. So 643 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.920 I mean they're talking about physical. 644 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.279 Beings there, right, But they were talking about a craft 645 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:29.119 coming down or something. 646 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.079 Well, they supposedly landed in a craft on Mount Herman, 647 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.720 so they're literally talking about aliens. 648 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.920 I've never heard the craft on Mount Herman. I heard 649 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.039 they landed and they resided on Mount Herman. 650 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.920 But I mean, okay, if they landed there, then what 651 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:42.799 did they land in? 652 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.440 They just kind of like the sky it kind of 653 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.640 like lands on the ground. It doesn't like land in. 654 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.000 Something necessarily lands on the ground. 655 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:52.559 I don't know. 656 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.039 We'll never know because we weren't there, but I mean, 657 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.119 that's that's what I think. I think there were physical 658 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.960 beings that that literally came down on in physical form 659 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.200 and probably in some type of craft. I don't know 660 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:05.160 either way. 661 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:06.920 It's one of those things that's kind of fun to 662 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:07.559 speculate on. 663 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.360 I guess, you know, no doubt. 664 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.840 You know, you don't have to be married to it. Yeah, no, no, no idea. 665 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:13.880 You know. 666 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.840 And to be fair, I just found the one of 667 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.360 the excerpts, but it says according to the Biblical apocrypha, 668 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.559 particularly the Book of Enoch, Mount Herman is believed to 669 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.079 be the place where fallen angels known as the Watchers, 670 00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.159 descended to Earth and took human wives. This event is 671 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.800 often associated with the concept of their sinful desire for 672 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.480 human women. Anyway, it just says descended. It doesn't say 673 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.360 like did they come up out of the ether or 674 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:39.760 did they land, you know, with. 675 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:40.760 A craft or anything. 676 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.320 So maybe that was, you know, not necessarily mentioned one 677 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:44.960 way or another. 678 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:45.400 I don't know. 679 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.000 But to your point, do you also believe in extraterrestrials 680 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.719 as far as aliens, and not necessarily the cool colloquial 681 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:54.639 you know, little. 682 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:55.920 Green men from Mars conversation. 683 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.800 But let's just say life outside of our Solar system 684 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:02.079 or outside of our galaxy, another planet out there that 685 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.119 has living entities, not just spiritual or ethereal or interdimensional, 686 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.679 but like actual living organisms somewhere. 687 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:14.119 Else in space. Yeah. Absolutely, so oh I agree with that. 688 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.880 So just so we're all clear here, because a lot 689 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.599 of people that I've talked to of and yes, I 690 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.079 am a Christian, and somehow some of my Christian brothers 691 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.199 and sisters out there just are very very set in 692 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.320 their ways, going with no facts whatsoever, just their opinion, 693 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.920 which everybody's entitled to it, I get it. But they 694 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.880 are of the belief that, like, oh, I don't believe 695 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.840 in aliens, I believe in demons. And I'm like, wait, 696 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.360 why are the two? Why are the two in the 697 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.239 same conversation? Well, clearly the flying saucers are demonic, and 698 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.159 I'm like, uh oh, oh, I see so like and 699 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.239 I'm not saying that they are or are not, Okay, 700 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.920 I am personally of the belief that demons are real. 701 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.679 Angels are real, interdimensional life forms are probably real. And 702 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.079 I also am of the belief that there's more planets 703 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.239 out there, with more sustainable life out there. 704 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.199 I think all these are happening at the same time. 705 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.719 I was just making sure if you are classifying these 706 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.199 demons to be extraterrestrials as well, or do you think 707 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.880 those are separate conversations. 708 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.559 I mean, I think there's probably a whole lot of 709 00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.039 different species out there and a lot of different categories. Man, 710 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.519 I don't I don't know for sure what's what. I 711 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:25.800 can only speculate. I do believe in the Watchers. I 712 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.000 work with them a lot and get results. So I'm 713 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:35.639 working with something that's very real. And they did supposedly 714 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:40.159 impregnate human women, so they had to have some type 715 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.320 of physical body. They had to have a schlong. 716 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:48.440 Yeah, And so these are shifting creatures as well. Correct, 717 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.079 they're shape shifting creatures. Correct, So like they could take 718 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.760 the form of whatever they wanted, they want to take 719 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.119 the physical form, but do with a schlong to impregnate 720 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:55.480 a woman. 721 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.519 That's they had that ability supposedly. 722 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:05.480 Yeah, that or Watchers were shape shifters. But I mean, yeah, 723 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.199 that's that's definitely. You know, I've studied a lot about 724 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.880 shape shifters. I was talking about this book on podcasts 725 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.079 the other day. There's an actual complete ritual in here 726 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.440 that someone can go out in the woods and perform 727 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.800 to supposedly turn themselves into a shape shifter. 728 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.079 Yes, And as a matter of fact, there's a few 729 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.239 different groups out there. One of them is one of 730 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.679 the off branches of Oto where they and depends on 731 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.000 who you ask here, but they believe that they are 732 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.920 going into the esoteric side of Freemasonry, not just the 733 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.400 first thirty three degrees. They believe there's three hundred and 734 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.119 sixty degrees of freemasonry of the real freemasonry. And they 735 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.159 believe that once you get to a certain level, there's 736 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:42.360 three different paths. 737 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:42.840 That you can choose. 738 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:44.639 One of them would be to go more into the 739 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.280 warlock and wizard realm of things, one would be to 740 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.840 go into the vampiric realm, and then the other would 741 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.159 be to go into the shape shifter realm. So there's 742 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.760 absolutely rituals that could be performed to get someone to 743 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.880 actually shape shift, let alone. 744 00:37:59.079 --> 00:37:59.840 What they have is. 745 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:04.719 Far as skin walkers go, which that is absolutely ritualistic 746 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.199 dark blood magic to be performed to shape shift, but 747 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.079 the problem is changing back afterwards. 748 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.440 There's a little bit of a snap foo on that 749 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.320 one apparently. But yeah, to your. 750 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.000 Point, now, I think those things are real. 751 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.639 Okay, I'm with you here now, Like we said, here, demons, 752 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.079 you work with them pretty often, you do you physically 753 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.400 see them when you are doing this work with them? 754 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.840 Well, I mean they don't like poof in front of 755 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.239 me like Darth Vader on the Hologram. You know, like 756 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.920 if I set up a camera across from my ritual 757 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.039 space and then go through a frame by a frame, 758 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.360 you'll absolutely see them in the flames and in the smoke. 759 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.159 You know, a flame is a manifestation based smoke is 760 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:45.280 a manifestation bas. 761 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:46.840 So. 762 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:52.559 Yeah, they do also appear as orbs, like these little 763 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.280 flaming balls of They just like little blue balls of 764 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.519 fire that lead like a flaming trail behind it when 765 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.440 you play slow motion. Got a lot of those on camera. 766 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.280 Okay, Yeah, do they manifest Yes? They do. 767 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.119 Did I stand there and talk to them like I'm 768 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.760 talking a lot? I do talk to them like we're 769 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.800 talking now, But no, I would not see them standing 770 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.679 there like in full physical form. 771 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.800 No, okay, So the story of Faust and the Faustian 772 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.760 Deal and all that, where this dude was sitting by 773 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.639 the fire and was having a full blown conversation with 774 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.599 the devil, just smoking and joking with him, and then 775 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.840 decide to sign the contract in his own blood and 776 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.760 all that. That's a bit of a artistic rendition, if 777 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.119 you will. 778 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.719 Yeah, I have no idea if that story is true 779 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:44.719 or not. I've never had the devil manifest in complete 780 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.119 physical forms that they're going to have a drink with me. 781 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:48.039 Wow. 782 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:54.320 They typically will communicate telepathy, like they will drill something 783 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.000 directly into your head, and a lot of times I'll 784 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.119 get it like a cooling sensation like right here my 785 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.360 forehead before like a download will come during a ritual. 786 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.320 Other times it feels like my head's and advice and 787 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.719 it literally hurts. It's it's it's quite literally very painful 788 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.920 when this happens. And it happens a lot with painful magic. 789 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:17.840 Like baineful magic. 790 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:24.920 You said, yes, bainful uh curses Okay, Yeah, And I'll 791 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.719 feel quite literally like my head's and advice and it's 792 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.119 squeezing harder and harder and the pain just builds and 793 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.239 builds and builds until it gets the point where I 794 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:38.800 can't take it anymore. And then it's like it like explodes. 795 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.239 You feel like this, this explosion come out of the 796 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.639 top of your head. And then the pain dissipates. 797 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.519 And that's after the ritual has successfully been completed or 798 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.440 when they decide that they've gotten what they wanted out 799 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:51.679 of you. 800 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:52.800 What what stops it? 801 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.159 Uh? That usually is towards the very end of the ritual, 802 00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:00.800 whenever that that pressure will release, so before the ritual 803 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.159 has been completed and closed out. 804 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:08.480 So with you working with certain demons of well, it's like, uh, 805 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:13.039 of the ursisha, the demons of Geisha is I would 806 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.960 think that why wouldn't you just straight up only work 807 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.559 with the devil? Is the devil or Lucifer or Satan 808 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.440 more powerful than any of the other demons that you've 809 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.400 have You ever tried working with Lucifer or anything like that? 810 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:25.199 Yeah? 811 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.719 Absolutely, they all have different abilities. You would evoked them 812 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.360 for different reasons, you know, Like you know, Lucifer the 813 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.320 light bearing you know, like you would you would evoke 814 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.639 him to shed some light on a situation, you know, 815 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:44.280 and as far you know, so so in the Glaysia 816 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.679 they have ranks. You know, they'll say, oh they're a 817 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.800 duke or they're a demonic king, so you got to 818 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.519 so you know that they're in charge of this many legions. Well, 819 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.000 we don't know if that information is accurate or not. 820 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.599 And you know, I what. 821 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:00.360 Do you mean by that? 822 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.920 If you're working with the Goaisha, you would you would 823 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.199 assume that this information is accurate. 824 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:06.159 Correct now, and. 825 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.320 Most of the Goaisias bullshit, Like the rituals in there, 826 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.360 they're they're traps, they're traps for the black magician. Uh, 827 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.159 never perform a ritual from the rs go Aisha. I'm 828 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.440 not saying don't work with the spirits in there, with 829 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.039 the demons in there. They are very real and they're awesome, 830 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.519 all right, They're awesome to work with. They're your best friends, 831 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.559 all right. But if you approach them in the way 832 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.559 that it tells you to in that book, they are 833 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.719 gonna kill you, all right. And that's why you hear 834 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.800 so many terrible, scary stories about people that dabbled in 835 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.000 some black magic, because if you read the conjurations, they're 836 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.519 full of threats. It's as disrespectful as you could possibly be. 837 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.519 You know, you're gonna summon this being that's that's old 838 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.840 as time has god like power. You're a little piss 839 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.079 ant to them, all right, So you're gonna call and 840 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.920 conjure them forth and they're whatever they're doing, their place 841 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.800 is dwelling. To start barking orders and threats at them, 842 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.440 and then and then demand that they do you and 843 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.239 then proceed to threaten them in the name of some 844 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.880 bullshit God as to what you'll do if they don't 845 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.679 do what you tell them to do, try to constrain 846 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.159 and command them. That's that's Western sorcery. And it's dude, 847 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.480 that's the stupidest thing anybody can do. 848 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.000 That was done on purpose, Like yes. 849 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:23.639 Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's what they did. That on purpose 850 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:25.480 to kill black magicians. 851 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:26.880 Damn. 852 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.800 So you said this was Western sorcery as opposed to 853 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:32.719 like more Eastern invading. 854 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.920 Yeah, like the Eastern practices are a lot more respectful. 855 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:38.960 Okay, that's I understand this. 856 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.440 Talking about this though, do you need to know the 857 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.199 name of the entity that you're trying to call out 858 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.039 or do you pretty much just throw out an open 859 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.679 line and you say, I'm looking for something that could 860 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.960 do this and one of them will respond. 861 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.880 Yeah, hell no, I'll never do that. You don't know 862 00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:56.719 what you end up with. 863 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.239 Okay, So you do need to know their name, Yes, I. 864 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.880 Like to have their name and their sigil. 865 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:02.760 Okay. 866 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.360 So with this being said, the Gaaysia is one of 867 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.679 the only spots where you can find a list of 868 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:08.400 their names. 869 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:09.000 Correct. 870 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.199 There's a few other spots out there where you could 871 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:12.840 find them, but as far as one of the earliest 872 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.960 sources and most complete list, I might add the Gaayishia 873 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:17.000 would be that correct. 874 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.679 Well, well, it would be one of their names because 875 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.400 a lot of these guys are in multiple different cultures 876 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.639 throughout history, and their names change, like their names will vary, 877 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.920 you know. So so one one person might call astof Aso. 878 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.719 The other worst person might call Asteroth the goddess Astarte. 879 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.880 So I mean, like like when you're when you're dealing 880 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:41.840 with ancient gods, and that's what a lot of these 881 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.360 beings are. They're not, you know, actually demons. They're they're 882 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:49.639 gods of the ancient world, and they've been labeled as 883 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:56.039 demons in by modern religion. Okay, and so they are 884 00:44:56.199 --> 00:45:00.000 in almost they're in every culture. You know, these ancient deities. 885 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.119 They they have different names for them different cultures. They're 886 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.519 talking about the same being. So do we know any 887 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.639 of their true names? Probably not. If I mean their 888 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:12.800 real name, you probably wouldn't be able to pronounce it 889 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.320 if you didn't know it. So these are the names 890 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:17.480 that they respond. 891 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.000 To, Okay. 892 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.000 And so to do that kind of research to make 893 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.920 sure you're calling out the right name, right, you would 894 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:25.920 look at you. 895 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.280 You have to do that leg work. 896 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:29.880 You have to put in that work to figure out 897 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.679 this tribe called them this entity. This tribe called them this, 898 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.440 The Westerns called them this, the Hebrews called them this, 899 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.239 And you've got to make sure that you are calling 900 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.519 upon the right one. So you are actually the one 901 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:43.679 that is doing this legwork and doing this historical deep 902 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.480 dive to make sure of this correct. 903 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:45.800 Yeah. 904 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.559 Yeah, And if if I have a doubt, then I'll 905 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.719 call them by all their names. So all right, I'll 906 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:56.039 write a conjuration with with each of their names you know, 907 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:57.239 from from each culture. 908 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.320 But you also said they're sigil, So where does that 909 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:00.840 come from? 910 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.360 Which the sigil is their energetic signature? 911 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:05.159 Right? 912 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.440 That's that's how I look at it. And it's when 913 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.840 you open when you draw out their sigil and and 914 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.559 either pencil lead and ink or or pencil it or 915 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.119 ink something conductive and then you trace over it in 916 00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:22.280 your own blood. That's like making a phone call, all right. 917 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:26.000 I'm like literally dialing them up, like you're on a phone. 918 00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.239 You're like, hey, you know, you're trying to speak to 919 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.920 them through that gateway. That sigil becomes the gateway that 920 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.840 they come through in the ritual space. So like we 921 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:39.199 have the sigil of Belile behind me, or he's another 922 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:44.280 one with multiple names and pronunciations. I'm calling Billile, belly 923 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:50.880 l Blyel. I'm sure he's probably got more names as well, 924 00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.239 but he responds to all three of those. 925 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.199 So does it matter what language you're doing the ritual lend? 926 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:03.519 Does it have to be in Latin or Hebrew? 927 00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:05.840 Or does good old English work just fine? 928 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.239 Good old English works great most of the time. But 929 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.920 like specific rich is like if I was gonna look 930 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.599 in a grim war and it gives me a specific conjuration, 931 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.960 something that's been used for centuries to summon this being 932 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.440 and it's in a different language, I'm going to speak 933 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:26.039 it in that language. I'll speak the conjuration in that language, 934 00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.039 and then after I speak the conjuration and perform the summoning, 935 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.840 then I'm going to speak to them in English. 936 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.199 Okay, all right, there's been a little Okay, I don't know, 937 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.719 not necessarily disagreeing between me and Jacob. 938 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:39.360 We just don't know. 939 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.159 We've a lot of conjurations are in different languages, a 940 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.079 lot of exorcisms and things like that are in different languages. 941 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.079 But would you also agree that most people that call 942 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:55.119 themselves practitioners are typically wanna bees that are delving into 943 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:56.920 the realm of shit that they don't actually know what 944 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:57.440 they're doing. 945 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.079 Right, we can all at least acknowledge that it's not just. 946 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.840 To your cult. I say, like ninety percent of the 947 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.440 Spirit's community, uh on all vectors, you know, all sectors, 948 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.639 I mean, uh yeah, total are totally joke. 949 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.960 I would agree with that, but everyone starts saying that 950 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.039 as far as Christianity as well. By the way, yeah, 951 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.320 we're all here, I'm I'm keeping it one with everybody here. 952 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.159 Yeah, I think them are completely full of shit right 953 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.199 on on every on every front. 954 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.480 Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't mean that one day it's 955 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.519 going to click for them and then they're just gonna 956 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.480 you know, like they could, it could totally just you know, 957 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.920 they might be a joke now, but five years from now, 958 00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:36.679 they could start, you know, they could be At any moment, 959 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.000 someone can like just get it and wake up and 960 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:40.639 just go hard in the paint, you know. 961 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.920 So just start somewhere. Yeah. 962 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.280 Yeah, just because you're a joke when you're nineteen doesn't 963 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:46.920 mean you're going to be a joke when you're forty. 964 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:47.159 You know. 965 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:49.519 That's a fair point. That's a fair point. But then 966 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:50.719 also I would. 967 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.920 And I don't know, I'm very glad that Jonathan. 968 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:53.280 Asked this question. 969 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.920 Let's say you are calling upon a Greek god or 970 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:02.320 or something to this realm or ancient Egyptian deity, right, 971 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:04.880 it would stand to reason that you. 972 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.159 Would want to call upon them. 973 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.320 If you're gonna, especially call them by that name, by 974 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.519 their Egyptian name, or by their Greek name, or whatever 975 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.360 the case is. You would want to also conjure them 976 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.679 in the language to which you're addressing them, right. 977 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.840 Yeah, if you have that information, if that information is available, 978 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.039 which most of the time it's not gonna be. Yeah, 979 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.559 all right, So it's one of those it's. 980 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.559 One of those things too, like if you're speaking English 981 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.840 and you're and you understand the language really well, so 982 00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:32.679 you're able to put that much more of your intent 983 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.719 in there, compared to like reading a bunch of words 984 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.519 where you're not even sure if you're saying it right, 985 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.199 and you're not even sure what you're saying. You know, 986 00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.360 in a situation like that, you know, I'd say, just 987 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.280 go with what you're what you're good at. That's what 988 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.079 I go with. 989 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:47.639 What works. 990 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.119 What also kind of leads into what I was saying, right, 991 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.679 A lot of these people might start spitting some Latin out. 992 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:54.760 They don't know what they're saying, but they know the 993 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.280 book says to say it this way. 994 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.920 Next thing, you know, they've absolutely opened a portal or 995 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.480 opened a door or speaking to something, and now they 996 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:03.159 don't know what the fuck to do because they just 997 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.280 called U point, they stepped into waters that they didn't 998 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:06.559 know what they were stepping into. 999 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:07.320 Yep. 1000 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.920 Well, and that's what it's really exciting. That's what separates Yeah, 1001 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.000 that's what separates the black magician from the dabbler. 1002 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.599 It's the best way to learn, you know, especially for guys. 1003 00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.760 You know, guys we learn from making mistakes. 1004 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.159 It's just you know, you. 1005 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.960 Could tell a guy not to do something dumb, but 1006 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.599 he's not gonna know not to do that until he 1007 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.239 does it. It's just it's just the way guys are. 1008 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.159 So I think I think the more trouble you get 1009 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.519 yourself in and you get out of, you know, like 1010 00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.119 one of the best ways to get good at magic 1011 00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.599 is to have people curse you. You know, like, if 1012 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:40.239 some asshole puts a curse on you, you're gonna get 1013 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.199 so much better at magic having to deal with that obstacle. 1014 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:44.599 You know, It's just how it is, man. 1015 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.239 You know. That's that's how I got good at bankful magic. 1016 00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.920 Just I didn't just start out like, oh, I'm just 1017 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.920 gonna tackle these people I don't like. Like, no, I 1018 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.679 did like one YouTube video and the next thing I 1019 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.920 don't got people attacking me. So that forces you to, 1020 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:00.519 uh because better. 1021 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:04.159 So YouTube was kind of your your stomping grounds as 1022 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.280 far as getting started in the realm of actual practical magic, 1023 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.639 aside from the wax foodoo doll when you were ten. 1024 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.000 You say, YouTube, That's what you just said. 1025 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.000 Correct, YouTube video is kind of what led you down 1026 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:16.280 on you. 1027 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.760 And I was saying that that was what forced me 1028 00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:23.760 to get good at painful magic and at warfare. Was 1029 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.239 being attacked. He was saying, you know when someone when 1030 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.639 someone attacks you and forces you to deal with it, it 1031 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.239 makes you a better magician. And so when you got 1032 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.599 to fight fire with fire when it comes to magic, 1033 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:37.440 and yeah, yeah, so so if you start doing the 1034 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:41.920 ship publicly, talking about it publicly like we are now, 1035 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.280 then you are going to be targeted. You're gonna be 1036 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.000 targeted by both sides. You're gonna be targeted by the Christians, 1037 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.559 and you're gonna be targeted by everybody on the left 1038 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.320 hand path that doesn't like what you said or doesn't 1039 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.199 agree with what you said, which. 1040 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.920 Maybe they's gonna test you. You know, that's another thing 1041 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.000 someone just want to you. 1042 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.360 Yeah, this keeps he's hot ship, but I can fuck 1043 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:02.719 him up. 1044 00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:07.440 Yeah, you know that goes g checking is a thing like, 1045 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.119 oh you a thug. Let's see how much of a 1046 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.639 thug you are when bullets actually start flying. That that 1047 00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.039 goes around in the physical and the spiritual realm. 1048 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:14.599 I believe that one. 1049 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:18.119 Yeah, a lot of black magicians do act like gangbangers. 1050 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:20.239 How that works, isn't it? 1051 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:22.760 Little little clubs? 1052 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.920 You know, they keep calling them cons and ship like, 1053 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.039 but why why do they do it like this? Bro? 1054 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.920 Uh, it's the tribal mentality, I guess, I don't know. 1055 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.639 Strengthen numbers and see what if you get into it 1056 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.639 with one of those people, the first thing they're gonna 1057 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:40.880 do is call their witch buddies all their black magic friends, like, oh, 1058 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.360 this motherfucker's attacking to us, you know, and they're gonna 1059 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.159 they're gonna try to gang up on you, you know which. 1060 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.760 The best way to keep from having that happen is 1061 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.719 don't start fights with people like I. I don't think 1062 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:56.599 I've ever picked a fight like I mean, maybe I've 1063 00:52:56.679 --> 00:53:00.559 instigated a couple, but I did not initially start this shit, 1064 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.440 you know. I was like, somebody jabbed me, and I'm 1065 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.440 just like, all right, you motherfucker, I'm gonna teach you 1066 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.599 a lesson. The next thing, you know, you got all 1067 00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:11.000 them and all their friends coming after you too, And 1068 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.400 I'm just like the strong man stands mightiest alone motherfuckers. 1069 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.360 But if I need help, I have friends I can call. 1070 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.440 So with that being said, when you did get your 1071 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.480 start in the real mechanics of this right, actually putting 1072 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.400 real legwork in real sweat equity, and in this case, 1073 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.840 I suppose blood equity is in this conversation as well. 1074 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.199 Where did you get the training from? Was it strictly 1075 00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.480 out of books? Did you practice under somebody who kind 1076 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:38.920 of trained you up in their ways? 1077 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:40.079 How did this go for you? 1078 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.679 Well, I mean the first person I actually learned anything 1079 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:48.159 valuable from was E. E. Cooetting. I found him on YouTube. 1080 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.760 I was, I was researching, I was. My ass was 1081 00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.320 in a pickle. I was facing like eighty five years 1082 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.360 in prison for four counts of aggravated assault with a 1083 00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:00.360 daily weapon and like some other charges for eating the 1084 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:01.679 dude half to death. 1085 00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:03.280 It was a pin, wasn't it. 1086 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.159 They tried making a pan of deadly weapon in the 1087 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:06.480 fucking COURTSYSM, didn't they? 1088 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:06.840 Oh? 1089 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.039 Oh yeah yeah they They threw the book at me 1090 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.280 and I was defending my family. You know, it ended 1091 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.000 up all getting thrown out of court. But it drug out. 1092 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:18.760 It drug out for four years, you know, damn. So yeah, 1093 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:22.719 I lost everything, dude, I mean, fucking constantly feeding lawyers 1094 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.719 all my money and you know, losing shit left and right. 1095 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.599 It caused me to cause me to lose my job too. 1096 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.000 So that's what really fucked me. 1097 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.400 So I was desperate, and I was. 1098 00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:35.599 Just like, what's the one thing that can save my 1099 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.079 ass that I know of. I'm just like black magic. 1100 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.960 I know it fucking works. I know it works. It's 1101 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:48.039 time to really dive deep. And so I started. I 1102 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:52.360 was I was working in an office with a computer 1103 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.039 in it by myself most of the day, and so 1104 00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.079 I was able to listen to YouTube, and so I 1105 00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.440 just started YouTube and everything I could find on ritual, magic, magic, 1106 00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.880 demonic evocation, and eventually I came across his channel, you know, 1107 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:10.119 and specifically a video where he's talking about Delile. He said, 1108 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.280 if you're in a legal situation, that is the guy 1109 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.000 that can help you, you know, hands down, that is 1110 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.400 the best. And I'm just like, that's who I need 1111 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.800 to summon. So after that I started trying to summon them. 1112 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:24.480 I you know, I got some conjurations from from the 1113 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.280 Actings books, specifically to sm in Belile, and I didn't 1114 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.559 I didn't know how to do a formal ritual back then. 1115 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:33.519 I didn't a ship, not really, you know, I've done 1116 00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.239 experiments before, but I mean I didn't. I had no 1117 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:42.480 formal training in anything. And so I started speaking these 1118 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:48.239 conjurations over no, Like anytime I was alone, I was saying, Malile, come, Delile, 1119 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.079 come and speak his his his chant, his demonic in 1120 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:56.199 or his song as they call it. And I'd also 1121 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.239 speak a conjuration. It was called it's a losh todd 1122 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:00.599 a losh to lash too. 1123 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.280 Was just that was this in English or in the 1124 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:05.280 correct language? 1125 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.760 Okay, so so that was in a demonic language. I 1126 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:11.880 would say a losh tite loge tolashe to and then 1127 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.639 I would say belile, come, delill come in English, all right, 1128 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.400 And then there was his his his end was it's 1129 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:23.440 roch to Bellisle, it's rod chant that over and over 1130 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:28.280 and nothing happened at first, But every time I said 1131 00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.679 that out loud, I feel this this tingle, this this 1132 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.079 rush of excitement, like he's hearing you, he's getting closer. 1133 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.840 I'm like, if I bang on the devil's door long 1134 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.320 enough and loud enough, he has got to answer me. 1135 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.360 And so I did this for three days straight, like 1136 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:47.920 like non stop, laying in bed at night saying this 1137 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.559 conjuration over and over tall I went to sleep, you know, 1138 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.639 on the way to work, sitting at work in the 1139 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.920 fucking shower, like I mean just anytime I was alone 1140 00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.719 and nobody could hear me, I was speaking that out loud, 1141 00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.480 and when I was around people, I was thinking it 1142 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.760 was I was obsessed over making contact with this entity. 1143 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.679 And so after about seventy two hours of this, he 1144 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.199 answered me. And that was the first time I'd ever 1145 00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:15.559 seen a manifestation of a demon. I had clear communication, 1146 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.320 like when he actually fully manifests, he can you can 1147 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.360 talk to him like I was speaking out loud. He 1148 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:27.159 was speaking to me like I kept feeling this tingling 1149 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.440 in the top of my head every time he would speak, 1150 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:33.000 and I'm just like, I can't fucking believe this is happening, 1151 00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:36.559 Like I really summon this demon and he's talking to 1152 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.360 me and I can understand, like holy shit, holy shit, 1153 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.280 you know, like I made contact. 1154 00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.440 Was that like telepathically the way he was communicating back 1155 00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:44.760 to you. 1156 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:48.159 Yes, but it was. I mean I don't know if 1157 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:49.599 you would have been standing there, if you could have 1158 00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:52.480 heard it or not, honestly, but I mean because I 1159 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:56.519 was alone, but no, I could clearly hear him speaking 1160 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.159 inside my head giving me. 1161 00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.079 A manifested as well. Now, could you see him. 1162 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:07.400 Yes, initially when he when he initially manifested absolutely, But okay, 1163 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:07.920 so I. 1164 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.559 Was I was staring at I was standing out my 1165 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.400 driveway and I was staring at the street light, and 1166 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.800 as street light got bigger and turned into like it 1167 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.880 looked like a sun, like a flaming ball, and then it. 1168 00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.639 Took the form. It took the form of first the 1169 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.360 man's head with a crown, and that's that's when he 1170 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.559 started speaking to me. And it also took the form 1171 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.760 of three different animals. One looked like a female lion, 1172 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:32.519 the other one looked like a horse, and the other 1173 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.000 one definitely was an owl. And then it took the 1174 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.119 man's form again, and then it took all four forms 1175 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.719 at once. It looked like a seal, looked like a seal. 1176 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.480 And you know, at that point, I go inside and 1177 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.079 lock myself in the bathroom because I had a family, 1178 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.280 you know, as small a small child. I didn't want 1179 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.320 to be interrupted while I'm talking to this demonic king. 1180 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.400 And so I'm actually I'm standing in the bath room, 1181 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.639 standing there, looking at myself in the mirror, talking to Belile, 1182 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.960 you know, like I'm speaking out loud and he's speaking 1183 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:11.440 to me in my head. And he said, he said, 1184 00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:13.719 what would you have of me, and he just kind 1185 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.760 of chuckled like he already fucking knew you know exactly 1186 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.159 what I wanted. I was like, well, yeah, I'm facing 1187 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.159 most of my life in prison here then battling this 1188 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.679 for for like four years. I'm broke, I'm screwed. I 1189 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.320 don't why the lawyer. I amout to go to trial 1190 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.800 and represent myself, which is an instant go to jail card. Right, 1191 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.519 So what do I want from you? If you, if 1192 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.519 you are powerful enough and you can do it, then 1193 00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:38.679 I want these charges dropped. I want them gone, period. 1194 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:40.039 I don't want to go to trial. I don't want 1195 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.599 to do another hearing. I don't want to spend one 1196 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:43.480 more dime on a lawyer. I don't want to pay 1197 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:47.400 no more fives, nothing, you know. I want the charges drop. Period. 1198 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:52.639 He's like, okay, what else, Let's see what else. He's like, 1199 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:57.519 ask me for something else? Okay, well, I want I 1200 00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:59.719 want protection from me and my family so that nothing 1201 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.159 like this ever happens to us again. He's like, uh huh, 1202 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:07.119 and what else? One question he was counting on me 1203 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.159 that he wanted me to ask, and I said, you 1204 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.320 know what I want? I want to become I used 1205 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:15.119 the term master at the time. I don't think there 1206 01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:18.119 are any masters, but I said, I want to become 1207 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:21.239 a master black magician. I want I want you to 1208 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.519 take me under your wing and teach me magic, teach 1209 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.159 me sorcery, your own personal brandom magic. I want to 1210 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:32.000 learn it directly from you. And he's like, okay, that's 1211 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.159 what he was waiting on me to say. So Yeah, 1212 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.440 twenty four hours later, I got a call from my 1213 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.239 lawyer so they were dropping my charges. My jaw hit 1214 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.719 the fucking ground literally like like I about passed out. 1215 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.440 I was like, holy shit, I can't believe this. And 1216 01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.400 I've been wide open ever since. I've basically dedicated my 1217 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.000 life to this path ever since then. 1218 01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:58.039 And has Blile trained you and taught you absolutely or 1219 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.519 has he just kind of made the information more available 1220 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.920 to you and you had to do your own self discovery? 1221 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.280 How how did this work? 1222 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:06.880 Did you have like a full on conversation with him 1223 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.719 on a daily basis and that's who trained you? 1224 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:09.239 Like, what do you mean? 1225 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:12.679 I gave him permission to literally possess me for six 1226 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.840 months and teach me the stuff, so every day it 1227 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.880 was like a crash course in ritual magic from Belaw himself. 1228 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:24.000 Of course I read other books. I got other information, 1229 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.320 you know, things like that. Excuse me, I got allergies. Man, 1230 01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:33.000 I was outside all day. But now I learned, like 1231 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:37.559 the rituals that I've created, they came from the ether, 1232 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.639 they came from the demons themselves. And so he would 1233 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:42.360 work with me for a while, and then he had 1234 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.360 passed me off to another entity. First intit. He passed 1235 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.760 me off too with Shimiyaza. He's like, all right, you're 1236 01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.639 gonna work with this guy for a while. He's gonna 1237 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.000 teach you some shit. And so every time I finish 1238 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.199 a path working, like all my path workings had led 1239 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.639 back to Thelile. It's like I ran through the fucking 1240 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:03.199 ring and learn some totally new crazy shit, and then 1241 01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:05.960 at the end of it there's Belile again. He's like, 1242 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.360 all right, you did good. You made it through that one. 1243 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:12.840 You're ready for the next one. Oh God, yes, I'm ready, 1244 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:18.440 you know whether I am or not. So it's intense, man, 1245 01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:21.280 This path's not easy. It's uh, you got to have 1246 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:22.719 balls to do this shit. 1247 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:23.079 Man. 1248 01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:26.679 I'm not talking about you know a little bit of balls. 1249 01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:30.280 I'm like, you gotta have fucking nerves of steel. You 1250 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:34.039 have to You're not. If you're not afraid of it, 1251 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.079 then you're just a dumb ass and it's gonna end 1252 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.599 up killing you, all Right. You have to be able 1253 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:42.320 to stand there and be as terrified as you've ever 1254 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.320 fucking been in your life and still have the balls 1255 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.239 to stand there and finish whatever you're doing, not run 1256 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.519 the other direction. And I don't know many people that 1257 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:54.800 have that kind of gumption. Dude, Yeah, most of them 1258 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:57.480 run the other direction as soon as they get a 1259 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:01.119 real taste of what this path is like. The first 1260 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.320 time they get scared, they run back to the church. 1261 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.400 So you called upon him and you did not have 1262 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.320 a blood sacrifice, or did you? 1263 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:12.480 I was the sacrifice? 1264 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.119 You giving yourself a possession for six months? That was 1265 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:16.960 the sacrifice. 1266 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:19.119 Yes, And that was a part. 1267 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.960 Dedicated my life to this path working with him? 1268 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:26.440 Yes, Okay, okay, So you essentially sacrificed your life for 1269 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.079 a deeper understanding and more power on earth. 1270 01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.360 Do you say sacrifice? You could say dedicated to too, 1271 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:34.880 you know. 1272 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:38.079 I guess both. I guess these can be used interchangeable words. 1273 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.280 I know in this realm, we're talking about sacrifice. Meaning 1274 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:43.639 the death of that's not necessarily true. I mean, Hella, 1275 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.760 you doing this podcast with us, You're sacrificing two hours 1276 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:48.920 of your evening or however long this shit goes for 1277 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:51.960 to do this. So I mean sacrifice in that term. 1278 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.639 I mean it in a more broader sense. But okay, 1279 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:57.159 I see what you mean. So all right, where do 1280 01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:58.519 you think? Said? 1281 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.320 Sorry, I just got one one question real quick? Where 1282 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:06.000 do you think they are whenever you're communicating with them? 1283 01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:09.960 Are they a in a place? Are they communicating from Hell? 1284 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.119 Are they communicating from the abyss? Is it just etherical beings? 1285 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:14.400 Like? 1286 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.360 Where are they in relation to your human body when 1287 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:19.679 you're in communication with them? 1288 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:20.559 Right? 1289 01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:23.400 So, I mean if if it depends on what you're 1290 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:26.400 communing with, For one, if there are something that is 1291 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.559 still in a physical body, like I believe the watchers were, 1292 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:34.440 and they're still alive. You know. Some common theme is 1293 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.320 that they live in hallowed out caverns inside the earth. 1294 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:38.440 You know. 1295 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.920 So if you were communicating with a living, breathing watcher, 1296 01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.719 then what you'd be doing is communicating with them with 1297 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.719 their consciousness. You know, they they would project their consciousness 1298 01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.719 to you when you call them and interact with you, 1299 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.840 all right, So if it was a transdimensional being, then 1300 01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.639 they would be on what ever plane that they exist on. 1301 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:06.000 If you're communicating with an et, then they're going to 1302 01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:10.400 be on whatever planet they're from. There's a whole lot 1303 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.639 of different stuff out there, different species of creatures and beings. 1304 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.800 And you know, the human soul is just as powerful. 1305 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.719 I find that by working with with people's souls quite 1306 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:29.360 literally in the deification, right, and I get the same 1307 01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:36.000 type of I feel the same type of intense energy 1308 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.920 or the same level of intensity. I mean, the energy 1309 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.519 is always different depending on who you work with. I 1310 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:44.320 get the same level of intensity though from the human 1311 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:49.000 spirits that I've encountered out of their bodies. So what 1312 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.760 are we really okay? 1313 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:52.199 Question? 1314 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:56.519 So to follow up, as we are talking about sacrifice, 1315 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.840 and in this sense I do mean the death of 1316 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:02.119 an animal and using its blood for this purpose. 1317 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.159 Why do they require blood? 1318 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.119 You you said earlier it's to feed them, You're preparing 1319 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.119 them a nice meal. But then you also be mentioned 1320 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.679 about if you plan on eating this sacrifice after the ritual? 1321 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:14.800 Is there? 1322 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.719 Break all of that down for me here? Which kind 1323 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.960 of rituals would it involve? 1324 01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:19.199 You? 1325 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:22.159 Sacrificing a chicken and then you in the physical realm, 1326 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.320 are going to be eating this chicken after the ritual. 1327 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:27.559 Why do the demons require blood to eat or are 1328 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:28.800 they eating of the meat too? 1329 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:30.880 Just go down the list for me. 1330 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.760 Well, if you're burning the body, if you're spilling the 1331 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:35.760 blood into the fire and then burning the body as well, 1332 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:40.880 then they are consuming the entire sacrifice. In some rituals, 1333 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:44.519 like especially like you know, like Santorian rituals, Vodan rituals, 1334 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.480 you know, they'll have a big party, you know, they'll 1335 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:51.079 summon pop Oligma and sacrifice an animal to him and 1336 01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:53.880 then they'll cook it and eat it and feast afterwards, 1337 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:56.840 asking the spirit to partake in that in that feast 1338 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:58.639 with them. So it just depends on the type of 1339 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.920 ritual you're doing and why you're doing it. If you were, 1340 01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.119 say you were going to do like a healing ritual 1341 01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.320 for yourself, that is the case. Or when I've done 1342 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.920 them for other people, I've purchased doves, either doves or quail, 1343 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.639 and I'll literally I'll have the person laid down in 1344 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.760 the circle and i will cut the head off of 1345 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.719 the dove and spill the blood directly onto their body 1346 01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.039 after I've drawn, like usually the sigil of Rafael. If 1347 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.679 it's an in person ritual, it's usually for healing, so 1348 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.840 I'll draw their sigil on their chest or even the forehead. 1349 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.239 Nobody likes getting bird blood in their face, so usually 1350 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:40.280 the chest, and I will sacrifice the dove, and then 1351 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:43.079 afterwards I will clean it and cook it for the 1352 01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:45.639 person and feed it to them so they can take 1353 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:50.159 the energy from that sacrifice into themselves. That's the idea 1354 01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:50.760 behind it. 1355 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:54.199 So whenever you're doing a sacrifice to a demonic entity, 1356 01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.159 you're putting the entire animal into the fire. 1357 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:01.119 Yes, Or if I'm doing it sacrifice to an angelic 1358 01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.400 for the purpose of healing at a distance. If I'm 1359 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.719 doing it for the person across the country, then I 1360 01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:09.679 burned the entire thing, whereas if they were here in person, 1361 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.639 then I spilled the blood directly on their body and 1362 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:13.159 feed them the bird afterwards. 1363 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.119 So thists this is very interesting. 1364 01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:17.880 So I know where I live, I don't know what 1365 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.479 state you live in in Louisiana. If you are doing 1366 01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:24.840 a sacrifice for a religious purpose or whatever the case 1367 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.439 would be, and there's multiple religions around the world, that 1368 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.720 claim that they are not talking to angels or demons 1369 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.119 but their deities, whatever the case. 1370 01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:34.920 Not here to judge or throw shade. But in this state, 1371 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:35.439 if you do. 1372 01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.600 Perform a sacrifice, you have to eat the animal afterwards. 1373 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.640 Putting the entire animal carcass in the fire is actually 1374 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:44.960 illegal by state law. So I wonder if there might 1375 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.960 be a little more some more knowledge that was, you know, 1376 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.800 the lawmakers themselves when they wrote that down and struck 1377 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:54.159 it into law. I wonder if they knew a little 1378 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.239 bit more on the back end of that of like, hey, 1379 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.760 if you're throwing the whole animal into this, there's only 1380 01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:00.680 one kind of thing you could be to talking about. 1381 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:03.680 If you're eating it afterwards, it may not be as bad. 1382 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.199 And like, I wonder if that might have been on 1383 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:05.960 their mind on that. 1384 01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:08.399 I think that's exactly what's on their mind. And a 1385 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.239 lot of states, blood sacrifice during rachel is a legal period, 1386 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:16.119 right right, they've totally outlawed that in some states. Luckily, 1387 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:18.880 I did my research before I started talking about this 1388 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.199 shit publicly. I was in a state where I can 1389 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:25.560 do that there's no law against it, but certain states 1390 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:27.119 would lock you up for that. I mean they're not 1391 01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:30.079 going to fucking know unless you advertise it. You know, 1392 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:31.800 like a CoP's not gonna roll up on you in 1393 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.600 your backyard and be like, hey, you just sacrifice the chicken, 1394 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:35.359 You're going to jail. 1395 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.119 But a lot of these people are trying to grow 1396 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.960 their group, so they'll put what they're doing on social media. 1397 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.199 And I don't mean to show how evil they are, like, 1398 01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:46.640 nothing like that. Like, for instance, I know a crew 1399 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.920 of people in Louisiana that are of the Nordic pagan variety, right, 1400 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.279 and so they sacrificed a bore to thor right, and 1401 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:55.880 there was a whole ritual that they did, but they 1402 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:59.640 ate it afterwards, and they are trying to grow their sect, 1403 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.479 their kinship of Nordic pagans, so they put a lot 1404 01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:04.479 of the stuff that they do up on social media 1405 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.439 as a way to promote themselves. The thing is this 1406 01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:11.680 also would make animal rights activists lose their absolute fucking minds. 1407 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.399 So they are showing also that they are well within 1408 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.840 the realm of the law when they're doing these types 1409 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:19.079 of things. So you know, I understand the other side 1410 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:19.720 of that for sure. 1411 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.600 Yeah, I mean, animal rights activists can't really fuck with religion. 1412 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.720 I mean they could try. I've never had them come 1413 01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:29.439 after me. They're welcome to if they want to, like 1414 01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:33.079 have their entire organization destroyed. Bile means, but no, I 1415 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:34.159 don't get fucked with, bro. 1416 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:37.279 But like the animal cruelty conversation, though, if you are 1417 01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:39.640 doing this with a still a live animal and throwing 1418 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:41.199 it in the fire, and you're trying to put that 1419 01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:45.359 up on I'm just saying for people that are not 1420 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.239 doing your particular brand of it, but there are religious 1421 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.680 groups out there that do things differently. Cruelty to animals 1422 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.279 is against the law, and I do agree with that 1423 01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:57.000 to a certain extent, Like I understand that, so I 1424 01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:58.960 get why the laws are put down in the way 1425 01:10:59.000 --> 01:10:59.520 that they are. 1426 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.479 But on the other side of that, there is. 1427 01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:05.119 A conversation to say that the lawmakers when they originally 1428 01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:07.680 put down the laws had at least a decent working 1429 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:11.039 understanding of left hand path things. So that might be 1430 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.880 why certain states and certain countries even have certain sacrifices 1431 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:18.159 and certain types of sacrifices that are completely outright illegal. 1432 01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.680 Well, it's like in the US, you know, I free 1433 01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:23.319 of a religion, which all this is covered under that 1434 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:26.520 and it's like, okay, well, we can't outlaw their religious practices, 1435 01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:29.680 or we can't outlaw the religion, but we can outlaw 1436 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.359 their practices, you know. So we're going to make it 1437 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:34.840 illegal to be in a graveyard after dark because a 1438 01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:37.960 lot of witches like to do shit in graveyards. It's 1439 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:40.319 illegal to plant flowers in a graveyard, not because they 1440 01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.960 give a fuck if you plant flowers, because they wanted 1441 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.720 to outlaw digging in graveyards. And it's like, oh, well 1442 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:49.560 that's you know, to prevent grave robbing, Well, just outlaw 1443 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.079 grave robbing, don't outlaw digging period. That's because a lot 1444 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.399 of sympathetic magic, especially curses, call for you to put 1445 01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.239 that sympathetic link in a box and bury it in 1446 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:04.479 the cemetery so they can. They're just trying to make 1447 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:09.399 it as difficult as possible for people to perform these rituals, 1448 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:11.800 but they can't tell you that you can't. 1449 01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:15.640 Now, kind of circling back to my original question, why 1450 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.960 is it blood or life that is required? I've talked 1451 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.039 to quite a few people over the years that say 1452 01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:25.039 that you can give your energy, your personal energy, into 1453 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:27.159 whatever you're doing, and it works just the same. 1454 01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:29.279 You don't actually have to kill an animal or whatever. 1455 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.479 I don't have enough of a knowledge base to say 1456 01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:36.399 if they are a little too hippie dippy or spiritual 1457 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:38.760 and they don't know what they're talking about, or if 1458 01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:40.840 maybe that's just the type of thing that they're doing. 1459 01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:46.399 Why do these entities require actual physical blood? 1460 01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:46.840 Okay? 1461 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.199 Well, blood is spiritual currency. As to why that is, 1462 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.520 that's just the way the universe formed, man, I don't know. 1463 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:55.359 Well, in your research, you've done your digging into a 1464 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.159 lot of this stuff. So from what you found that, 1465 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:00.000 why is that the spiritual currency? 1466 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:03.319 Uh? Okay, Well, I mean you know, even Christ said 1467 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:05.239 the blood is the life, So I guess the blood 1468 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:09.000 is the life. And you know that's that is the 1469 01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:13.199 life force energy that you are feeding. Now, you don't 1470 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.000 have to chop the head off a rooster to get 1471 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.840 results with magic, all right. You can use your own 1472 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.479 blood or put your own personal energy into it. I 1473 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:24.640 find that it's best to offer whatever you are capable 1474 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:28.159 of offering. So if I don't have chickens and I 1475 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:29.840 need to do a ritual, then I'm going to offer 1476 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:31.920 my own blood, you know, and that's going to be 1477 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:35.520 just as acceptable because that is as much as I 1478 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:38.199 can offer. That's I'm offering all I have. But if 1479 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:42.039 I've got a coop full of roosters out back and 1480 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.840 I summon an entity that prefers a blood sacrifice, but 1481 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.960 I'm too fucking lazy to go build a fire and 1482 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:50.920 set up a original space to do that, They're going 1483 01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.600 to take that as a sign of disrespect. All right, 1484 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.159 But you know I've got I've got a client that's 1485 01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:01.720 he's in prison. He has a cell phone somehow, somehow, a. 1486 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:02.319 Lot of them do. 1487 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:02.640 Bro. 1488 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.720 I have seen social media influencers that are currently locked 1489 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:07.880 up and it's like, bro, how the fuck are you posting? 1490 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:09.920 How do you have Wi Fi? But yeah, I'm with you. 1491 01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:12.560 Yeah. He put me for consultation, wanting me to give 1492 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.000 him a a crash course and how to perform ritual 1493 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.279 magic inside of his cell, inside of his prison cell. 1494 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:20.479 He's like, you know, I can't sacrifice the chicken. I 1495 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.600 can't do this. I can't do that. I was like, well, 1496 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.000 I know you got a fucking razor for cutting pickles 1497 01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.920 laying up in there. Cut yourself off of your own blood. 1498 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.760 You got a pin in the paper, Yeah, draw the 1499 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.600 sigl and blood it yourself. You know, that's that's as 1500 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:35.920 much as you have to offer. That's going to be 1501 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.760 just as powerful as it would be if I sacrifice 1502 01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:42.920 to rooster, as far as work, as far as evocation, 1503 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.920 like asking us hear to help you with something now 1504 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:50.399 when it comes to you know, it's also a power source. 1505 01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:53.880 The sacrifice amplifies the power, all right. So, I mean 1506 01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:56.119 there's all that extra energy. Whenever you chop the head 1507 01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:59.159 off a rooster in a ritual setting, it's like setting 1508 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.840 off a bomb inside that ritual space. That energy, that 1509 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.000 life force energy explodes out of that body and then 1510 01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:09.239 is contained within that circle and absorbed by the spirit. 1511 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.800 So so I go all out. I don't do anything 1512 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.720 half fast. If I can offer a sacrifice that I do. 1513 01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:18.359 If I don't have one, then I use my own blow. 1514 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.239 I still get results either way. 1515 01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:24.039 Okay, Now let me ask you if I may a 1516 01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:27.720 little bit about the actual mechanics themselves of a ritual. 1517 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:29.960 And I understand that the situation dictates the type of 1518 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.439 ritual that you're performing, the type of entity that you 1519 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.760 are calling out to. I get all of that, but 1520 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:39.600 just break this down, and this might sound stupid. Are 1521 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.039 you wearing like a robe of some type. Are you 1522 01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.840 using a very special like crazy curved dagger? 1523 01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:48.239 The fire that you're using. 1524 01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:49.760 Does it have to be made out of a specific 1525 01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:51.920 type of wood? Like, yeah, I can't burn birch for 1526 01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.279 this thing, but oak oak I could use for this. 1527 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:56.720 The altar does it have to be made of stone? 1528 01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:58.760 Or it could a regular table with a cloth work 1529 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:02.039 like just random things like this that you see in movies. 1530 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.600 I'm just curious for the rituals that you are performing, 1531 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:08.199 the ceremonies that you're performing to what level do you 1532 01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:09.319 take it with all that? 1533 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.640 I don't do anything for show, anything for aesthetics. When 1534 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.119 I perform these rituals, I wear jeans and a T shirt. 1535 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.279 I have a table that I lay my cloth over, 1536 01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.439 you know, my rituals, my magic circle. 1537 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:26.239 Does it gro a plastic table or yeah, yeah, okay. 1538 01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:29.279 Plastic table? It folds up. That's That's what I set 1539 01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.920 all my ship on when I'm doing a ritual. So, 1540 01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:35.199 I mean, I'm not going to knock people for wearing robes. 1541 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:38.079 I mean, like certain you know, rituals, it's considered to 1542 01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:39.399 be formal and respectful. 1543 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.279 M what about the dag or the knife? Has that 1544 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:44.640 got to be a specific type. 1545 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:48.680 I use a song, machete. 1546 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:53.920 A saw, and a machete a sogg the company. Okay, 1547 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:55.720 I'll about to say, bro, what kind of sacrifice you 1548 01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:56.479 need a saw for? 1549 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:57.279 Holy shit? 1550 01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.079 I got I got to yeah, yeah, don't to. And 1551 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:04.960 like I said, to each their own, each system is different, 1552 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:07.760 each each person has their own personal brand of practice. 1553 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:11.159 Me personally, I don't play dress up. I don't need 1554 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.800 a special dagger. Anything will work. If I didn't have 1555 01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:15.279 a machete, I'd use a kitchen knife. 1556 01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.680 You know, do the entities see that as disrespectful? Though? Right? 1557 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:22.600 Like you said, when you have a guest coming over, 1558 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.800 you clean up your kitchen, you do things a certain way. 1559 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:27.760 The entities that you're calling out to, they don't see 1560 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.960 you as disrespectful because, oh what, you couldn't even clean 1561 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.399 yourself up. Bro, you couldn't even you couldn't even dress 1562 01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:36.479 appropriately to address me. It's is it not like that? 1563 01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.399 No, they're not gonna expect me to, like, you know, 1564 01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:42.840 wear a robe or a suit and tie. I do 1565 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.439 clean myself. I take a shower before doing most of 1566 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:46.439 my rituals. 1567 01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:48.680 You know, is that important or is that a personal 1568 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:51.079 preference that's a personal preference, okay. 1569 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:52.680 I mean what if I have to do a ritual 1570 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:54.960 for for something and I just happen to be dirty, 1571 01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:57.479 you know, like like you, I mean, if I have 1572 01:17:57.560 --> 01:17:59.520 time to take a shower and clean myself up and 1573 01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:03.560 smell than I will. But I'm also not you know, 1574 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.920 having sex with these things. I'm giving them an exchange 1575 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.840 to sacrifice in exchange for for what I'm asking you. 1576 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:17.520 And you know, you can play dress up whatever whatever 1577 01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:19.920 helps you get in that mind state, go for it. 1578 01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:24.520 I've seen videos and rituals where they're wearing these big 1579 01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:28.840 head dresses and ship that looks stupid. 1580 01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:29.960 Singer of Ghost and Ship. 1581 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.359 Yeah, yeah, Like I don't like to knock anybody else's practices, 1582 01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:36.560 all right, but if you're spending more time playing dress 1583 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.520 up than you are doing the actual ritual, then I 1584 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:42.039 mean there's a problem there in my And the reason 1585 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:45.520 magicians war hoods and robes back in the day was 1586 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.479 to hide their hide their face, hide their identity. You know, 1587 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.920 they'd sneak out because back when you get burned at 1588 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:54.760 the stake for this ship, if if it was still 1589 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.199 at least you know, if I could get burned at 1590 01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:57.880 the stake for doing this and I had to sneak 1591 01:18:57.920 --> 01:18:59.520 out in the woods to do it. Then, yeah, I'm 1592 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.119 gonna wear an ask more a hood in road, right, 1593 01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:05.239 you know? But I got freedom of religion in this country, 1594 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:07.880 at least as of now, we still have constitution. So 1595 01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.800 instead of carrying wearing a sword, I carry a gun 1596 01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:14.199 and I'm in jeans and a T shirt. 1597 01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:16.079 Does that also work? Now? 1598 01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:19.000 I'm glad you brought that distinction carrying a gun as 1599 01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:21.119 opposed to carrying a sword. You said earlier, like you 1600 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.960 have to have an actual physical sword on you, and 1601 01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:26.760 I do medieval fighting, so swords and axes and shit. 1602 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.399 I am here for I personally think we should bring 1603 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:32.960 back carrying swords as a regular standard procedure for a 1604 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.680 proper gint. Okay, that's just me, though, But I also 1605 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:37.680 believe that you should be carrying a weapon at all times, 1606 01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:40.039 pistols and whatnot, because we live in a really fucked 1607 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:41.840 up world. But neither here or there on that point. 1608 01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.319 As far as for the rituals that you are performing, 1609 01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:47.399 does a gun equate to a sword or do you 1610 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.119 actually need to carry a sword for these things? 1611 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:50.520 All? 1612 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:50.720 Right? 1613 01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:52.760 Well, first of all, I have both you know, I 1614 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:56.560 have my ritual blade that's in the circle. I'm not 1615 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.479 holding it. They're wearing it the whole time. But now, 1616 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:03.000 I mean, I I hate the gun. Is uh, It's 1617 01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:05.680 equivalent to wearing a sword. It's a show of strength 1618 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:07.680 depending what you know. 1619 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:09.199 Sound like you're gonna use it. 1620 01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.880 You're not gonna shoot the demon or even stab the 1621 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:13.479 demon with the sword if he appears. 1622 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.640 That's not what it's for. It's for the showing of defense. 1623 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.960 Yeah, and it's mainly for the weirdo that sneaks up 1624 01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:25.359 on me in my backyard while I'm doing a ritual. Yeah. Yeah, 1625 01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:29.279 I mean, but but I mean it's wearing a gun 1626 01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:31.279 versus wearing a sword. I don't see a difference. 1627 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:33.039 Now, I also want to ask this. 1628 01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:36.880 You brought up having your ceremonial sword inside the circle. Now, 1629 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.760 there are some types out there that believe that once 1630 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:41.640 you get to a certain level of power, you don't 1631 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:43.920 actually need to have a physical sword. As long as 1632 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:46.239 you think within your mind that you have a sword, 1633 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:47.680 then it's equate. 1634 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:50.600 It's an equal thing. You're saying that you actually have 1635 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:52.039 one physically. Is this? 1636 01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:54.600 Yeah, but it's it's a necessary tool because I have 1637 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:55.800 to chop something's head off. 1638 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:58.600 Are you, Oh, so you're using the sword for that purpose? 1639 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:00.760 Or by sword you mean shady. 1640 01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:03.520 Yeah, I mean, I mean it's I mean, it's a song. 1641 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:05.479 It's it's like a Roman gladys. 1642 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:06.399 I'm with you. 1643 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.760 But but now, whenever I was referencing wearing a sword, 1644 01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.399 that was that was something that was written in the 1645 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.960 Book of Smoke with Fire and several other books talking 1646 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.760 about working with Jin. You know, it's like they recommend 1647 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:22.520 that you wear a sword when working with Gin, and 1648 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.960 I'm just like, well, wearing a gun is just as 1649 01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:27.760 much of a show of strength. You know, that's a 1650 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:28.760 modern day sword. 1651 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:31.239 I'm with you, And like you said earlier, Jin Demon, 1652 01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:33.720 is it really different. I personally agree with you that 1653 01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:36.920 there are no differences between the two. But there are 1654 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.960 those that practice magic that say that you need to 1655 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:39.920 have a sword. 1656 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:41.119 There needs to be a shield. 1657 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.199 There's a few like items that need to be on 1658 01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:45.399 your table or on your altar. Right And I'm not 1659 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:46.960 in a position where I could say that this is 1660 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.439 or is not bullshit, or to say that as long 1661 01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:51.880 as you have the thought process in your head that 1662 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:54.479 you have a shield or a sword on your mental 1663 01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.600 table for your mental ritual or whatever. That's what I'm saying, 1664 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.840 where is the the lies and the true truth start 1665 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:01.279 to finish? 1666 01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:02.840 In your opinion, I think. 1667 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:05.000 It just depends on the ritual that you're doing, the 1668 01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:07.840 type of ritual, and the system that you're working in, 1669 01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:10.159 you know. So let's say I'm gonna I'm gonna pick 1670 01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:14.159 up a random grimoire about some type of ritual magic, 1671 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.399 could be anything, and it gives me a list of tools. 1672 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:19.880 I'm gonna need this, this, and that. Well, I'm going 1673 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:23.199 to go into that ritual. If I'm going to follow 1674 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.319 those instructions, I'm gonna follow them to a t, you know. 1675 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.560 So whether I think it's stupid or not to have 1676 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.000 something in there, I'm like, well it says it here 1677 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.800 in the book, so it's going to be there. But 1678 01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:38.960 my personal rituals, all I have are tools. Like nothing 1679 01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:42.279 is for show, absolutely nothing, Like everything that I bring 1680 01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:45.640 out there has a specific use. So that's that's just 1681 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:46.239 me though. 1682 01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.199 So that what what he's alluding to is I always 1683 01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:51.840 mentioned the book called The Magickian written by Philip Cooper, 1684 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:56.439 and that's basically going into a ritual space having the 1685 01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:59.680 sword and the show the chalice and the shield and 1686 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.399 stuff like that to be able to almost use as 1687 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:06.079 symbols within your mind and stuff like. 1688 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:08.319 That, like to carry out that kind of ritual. 1689 01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:13.319 I don't know if that would be necessarily for sacrifice. 1690 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.840 Yeah, I mean if honestly, if I wasn't going to 1691 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.319 chop the head off or rooster, then I probably wouldn't 1692 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:19.840 even have a blade in the circle with me. 1693 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:22.680 Okay, makes sense. 1694 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:24.600 Do you just out of curiosity? 1695 01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:27.640 Is there any level of like, do you pay any 1696 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:30.199 respect to the animal that you're about to sacrifice? 1697 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:34.479 Or absolutely, the sacrifice is basically worshiped up until the 1698 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.560 point that is sacrificed, and it's done in a completely 1699 01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:40.479 humane way. They get as much food as they could 1700 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.479 possibly eat, they're happy, they are treated well, hell of 1701 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.560 a lot better than the slaughterhouses treat animals. So anytime 1702 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.279 somebody comes at me about oh, your sacrifice and animals, 1703 01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:52.960 I'm like, do you eat meat? And they're just like yeah, 1704 01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:54.479 I'm like, well, shut the fuck up. 1705 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:54.680 There. 1706 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:57.840 Those chickens you're buying in the grocery store or treated 1707 01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.279 a hell of a lot worse than my chickens. My 1708 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.359 chickens are treated like royalty so you know, if you're 1709 01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:05.600 not a vegan, then you can kiss my ass. And 1710 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:07.439 if you are a vegan, then you're a pussy. And 1711 01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:08.760 I don't give a shit what you think. 1712 01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:09.640 Yo. 1713 01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:14.159 Are there are there vegan demon demonon types of people, 1714 01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:17.359 not that I know, I feel like they're always. 1715 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:22.079 I feel like they're out there vegan magicians. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 1716 01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:25.159 So how are they performing these sacrifices if they're vegan? 1717 01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:29.279 What what are they're not? Are they sacrificing pumpkins and shit? 1718 01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:29.479 Well? 1719 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.560 Not all the time are magicians sacrificing. 1720 01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.239 I'm talking about this level of magician, not just people 1721 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:36.079 that claim that they're like we talked about earlier. There 1722 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:38.279 are those that claim that they're practicing things that they 1723 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:40.560 don't actually know what they're stepping off in. And there 1724 01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:42.680 are those that are diving deep into it for their 1725 01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:43.760 practical purposes. 1726 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:46.960 So like, what do the vegan sacrifice? 1727 01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:47.840 Uh? 1728 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.159 Well, first of all, those people are usually like really 1729 01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.920 fat and really poor and really lonely. They don't get 1730 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:57.720 results from their magic. The white people, the white lighter 1731 01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:01.960 people that would frown on animal sacri Yeah, they they're 1732 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:03.720 they're usually pussies. 1733 01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:07.960 Heard that, heard that? And I can't necessarily disagree with 1734 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:09.439 that either. I think most vegans are. 1735 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.279 I say that, there's only two exceptions that I know of, 1736 01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:14.800 and they're dudes that I serve with. They're not pussies, 1737 01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:18.279 but they are vegans and they're I don't understand that. 1738 01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:21.439 The possibly a vegan in the army, dude. 1739 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:24.840 Marine Corps. Yeah, in the fucking infantry of all things. 1740 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:29.159 I don't understand in the Army. Oh fucking yeah, there 1741 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:31.760 was no way a vegan and not starve. 1742 01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:33.960 They went vegan after they got out. 1743 01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:36.520 I should mention that, okay, but even still, like bro, 1744 01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:39.560 one of them is a competition powerlifter, and I'm like, 1745 01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:42.760 how are you getting enough protein and you're a vegan. 1746 01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.960 He's like fucking pumpkin seeds, Dude, It's like fifty four 1747 01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:48.800 grams per half cup. And I just eat that ship 1748 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.079 like it's going out of style. And I'm like, you 1749 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:53.800 gotta be fucking kidding me. But no, the results speak 1750 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.560 for themselves. I think he's crazy. But also I can't 1751 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.359 argue with the boy. I mean, look at him, but anyway. 1752 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:03.239 I like nothing but me, dude, like carnivore through. 1753 01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:08.359 And through carnivore diet is clearly the way to go. Yeah, yeah, anyway. 1754 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:11.239 Okay, talking about these things here some out of the 1755 01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:14.399 box conversations. And I don't know if you're about to 1756 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.319 shit on this group of people or not, but. 1757 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:17.399 I am curious. 1758 01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.840 What is your take on sage when it comes to 1759 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:22.359 practical magic. 1760 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:27.560 Like like burning white sage. Yes, I do that on occasion, 1761 01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:31.560 if I'm cleansing a house or doing exorcism. Yeah, I'll 1762 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.640 burn white sage. There's something that my you know, I 1763 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:37.199 grew up around, you know, my family. My mother did that, 1764 01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:41.039 My grandmother did that. You know, I don't. I don't 1765 01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:45.680 burn sage during my evocations. But if I'm like, I'm like, 1766 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:47.760 all right, the energy is thick in here, I need 1767 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:50.560 to cleanse my house, then yeah, I'll hum agate with 1768 01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:54.920 some white sage. Speaking exorcism, actually, take a black bowl, 1769 01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:58.319 like a glass bowl, and I'll see a black candle 1770 01:26:58.359 --> 01:26:59.920 in the center of it. You know, I'll drip some 1771 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.520 ax in there and stick it in, uh, fill it 1772 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:04.319 up with water and put a ship ton of salt 1773 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.399 in it, and then light the candle. You know, black 1774 01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:11.000 candle pulls energy. Salt absorbs energy, pulls energy, and water 1775 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:14.000 is a spiritual gateway. So instead of like opening the 1776 01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:16.920 windows and trying to make the bad energy fly out 1777 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.119 the fucking window, I'm like, no, I'm gonna open this 1778 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:22.159 vacuum gateway in the center of my house. I'm gonna 1779 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:24.840 shut all the fucking windows and then and then and 1780 01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:27.479 then fire that thing up and anything that's in here 1781 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:31.600 gets sucked right through it. You ship the lights look 1782 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:35.119 brighter afterwards, like it's yeah, it makes the world a difference. 1783 01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:37.039 Yeah, when you clean your house, did it looks a 1784 01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:37.479 lit writer? 1785 01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:38.039 You know? 1786 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:42.720 So why don't you use sage in your invocations? 1787 01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:47.600 Because the spirit doesn't prefer it usually. I mean, I 1788 01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:49.680 mean if if if it was working with an entity 1789 01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:52.920 that said yes instead of incense burned white sage, then 1790 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:56.359 I would do it. I've never had an empty as 1791 01:27:56.680 --> 01:27:59.720 asked for that. I don't recall ever reading in a 1792 01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:04.239 grim more were specific spirit wanted that. That's usually like 1793 01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:11.079 a spiritual repellen, you know, right, Yeah, No, I'm not 1794 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:14.239 trying to anything. I'm trying to call the darkness. 1795 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.880 In heard that. So you also mentioned incense. 1796 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.560 What type of incense are you typically using or is 1797 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:22.800 this also runs the gambit depending on what that particular 1798 01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:23.640 entity ask for. 1799 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:27.279 It does depend on the anentity. Uh. Most of them 1800 01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:34.520 like dragon's blood, some of them like coppol copal lavender 1801 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:36.600 is the great one. I used that one a lot, 1802 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:39.760 and sandal wood usually can't go wrong with sandal wood, 1803 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.520 So sandal wood and dragon's blood probably what I use 1804 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:48.479 Mostlile fers frankincense, you know, So I'll use franknsons when 1805 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:51.159 I but I mean, if I don't have frankincense, then 1806 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:54.600 whatever I have I'll use. Okay, I've only had him 1807 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:57.520 complain once. Like I was, I was doing a ritual 1808 01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.960 with blot and I blocked this incense. It was frankincense 1809 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:03.079 and mirror huged together. 1810 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:06.399 I use that incense. I love that ship, all right. 1811 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:08.720 So I stuck in the ground, you know, lots of 1812 01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:11.920 sticks around the fire. Let him on fire. I evoked 1813 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.159 thelile and I'm in the middle of trying to make 1814 01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:17.520 the petition, and I hear him say, clear as day, 1815 01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:22.880 this instance smells like shit. I'm like what he's like. 1816 01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:23.920 It smells like shit. 1817 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.119 Like makes sense that a demon does not like frankinsense 1818 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:30.239 and mirr for the record out loud, that makes perfect 1819 01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:30.680 sense to me. 1820 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.880 Yeah, but but frankinsense, pure frankn sense is what he prefers. 1821 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:36.399 So it was like that fused with the murr, and 1822 01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:37.960 so I go, I grab one out of the ground, 1823 01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:40.960 like yeah, it does smell like ship when it's burning. 1824 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:42.560 So I'm pulling it all out of the ground, chucked 1825 01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.840 it out in the woods, and ritual without incense because 1826 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:47.279 that was one of the only things I had at 1827 01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:47.560 the time. 1828 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:52.199 So are in is incense a requirement or is that 1829 01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:54.720 just kind of a as needed type of thing. 1830 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:58.119 I mean, I mean it's it's it's appreciated, you know, 1831 01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:00.880 like if you have it, great. But now, my first 1832 01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:03.600 new vocation I did, it was zero tools, no nothing, 1833 01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:06.199 no sigil, no incense, no nothing. I just knew the 1834 01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:09.399 name of the entity and the demonic in and the 1835 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:13.600 chant to initiate spiritual packs. And that's that's all you need, 1836 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:15.359 if that's all you If I was sitting in a prison, 1837 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:19.279 tele hopefully I'll never in one ever again. Uh but 1838 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:22.800 uh yeah, I can evoke a spirit without any tools 1839 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:24.880 if I had to. But if you have the tools, 1840 01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:28.319 then it's great. It's respectful, all right, Yeah, like burn 1841 01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:30.840 some incense. I always bring wine into the circle. 1842 01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:35.680 What type of what type of wine? 1843 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:40.960 Usually red Burlow, sometimes some peno Gressio if that's all 1844 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:42.720 I got in the fridge, but usually red wine. 1845 01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:44.720 Okay, they don't fuck with white too much. 1846 01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:48.000 I mean I've never had one complain about white wine either, 1847 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:51.720 But I mean I prefer red bur Low myself, So 1848 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:52.880 that's that's what I use. 1849 01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:57.560 Yeah, I make yeah, that is. 1850 01:30:58.199 --> 01:31:00.359 I make moonshine just for that peron, but it's just 1851 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:02.560 for using magic. I just make my own moonshine, which 1852 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:06.239 I recommend everyone doing because it's stupid easy. Anyone can 1853 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:10.680 make movie. Dude, It's it's so easy, dude, It's it's ridiculous. 1854 01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:13.760 Yeah, and then behind is easier, though, I will say 1855 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:15.279 that at least when you make your own shine, you 1856 01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:17.159 have to like build your own steal your own coil. 1857 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.000 It's not rocket science, but it takes some doing, you know. 1858 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:23.079 Yeah yeah, but uh, I just have an electric one. 1859 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:26.079 Oh you got an electric still? Hell? Yeah? 1860 01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:27.960 Yeah, you know, because I'm not doing a lot. 1861 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:28.319 I don't. 1862 01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:33.159 I don't drink really so but yeah, I just I 1863 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:35.039 just finished distilling a batch. 1864 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:37.800 Yeah, no doubt, but every. 1865 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:39.239 Everyone should learn how to do it. I feel like 1866 01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:42.000 especially magicians man like moonshine is pretty cool to have around. 1867 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:45.119 Are you using the hearts and or are you just 1868 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:47.000 using the hearts or using the heads and the tails 1869 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:48.359 of that run as well. 1870 01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:53.000 I'm using a sugar wash, so so I'm basically using 1871 01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:53.560 the whole thing. 1872 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:58.760 Oh yeah, so you're not worried about the points, what 1873 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:00.880 the beginning or the nasty he pits at the bottom 1874 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:01.520 of on. 1875 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:05.560 On a on a setup this small and with a 1876 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:13.159 sugar wash, it's not an issue interesting, you know. And yeah, 1877 01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:16.800 so it's awesome too because you know, like as I'm 1878 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.840 making it, I'm blessing it. I blessed throughout the whole process. 1879 01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:21.920 Every time I do anything, like to check it to 1880 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:25.720 see what percentage is at everything I do with it, 1881 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:27.720 every stage of the way, I'm blessing it. So it 1882 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:31.479 has like this really strong magical potency to it. And 1883 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.279 then yeah, you can use it as a libation, use 1884 01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:38.720 it for fire scrying, you know, evocation. That's pretty bad. 1885 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:40.319 I think everyone should do it. 1886 01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:45.640 Now on the same conversation crystals where you out with 1887 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:48.119 them now, I don't Again, I'm not trying to shit 1888 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.199 on people, but also if that does happen in this conversation, 1889 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:55.520 then Okay, I don't know to what realm dark practitional 1890 01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.600 magic goes as far as crystals are concerned. 1891 01:32:59.079 --> 01:32:59.840 What is your take? 1892 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:03.199 Crystal is a tool, you know, we put We put 1893 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:07.119 crystals in some of our radionics machines. Yeah, that's a yeah, 1894 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:11.000 I mean that's a Black magicians use crystals too, just 1895 01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.399 usually for different purposes. Like I'll take a crystal if 1896 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.920 I want to like create a link, a pronic link 1897 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.039 to an entity, like I've done this with Blild and 1898 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.680 I'll take his sigil and or a sigil plate or 1899 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:27.319 his printed paper sigul, put into a bowl and offer 1900 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:30.840 a crystal in there and ask him to infuse that 1901 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:34.000 crystal with his energy and his essence so that I'll 1902 01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:36.680 have like a continuous link to him. And then I'll 1903 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:39.199 spill all the blood from the rooster into that bowl 1904 01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:41.760 on top of that crystal, and then I have to coagulates. 1905 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:43.439 I'll reach in there and get it out and put 1906 01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:47.399 it in my pocket and keep it. Black tormaline. I've 1907 01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:49.279 used that and to make what I call death batteries. 1908 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:51.960 And that's where I'll go, actually bury a chunk of 1909 01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:55.720 black tormaline in a graveyard leave it there for seven 1910 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:57.960 days so it can soak up and saturate all that 1911 01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:00.600 death energy. And I'll take that and put it on 1912 01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.319 a radiotics box and pump it into a motherfucker. 1913 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:05.680 I don't like death energy. 1914 01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:08.520 Dirrect me if I'm wrong, But a dead body has 1915 01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:10.920 no more energy to give, right the energy has been 1916 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:12.560 extracted from them at that time. 1917 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:17.640 Not necessarily break this down for me. Yeah, death essence, dude, 1918 01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.239 that's a you known nechromatic sorcery A lot of the 1919 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:25.560 cause or doing rituals in the graveyard surrounded by dead bodies. 1920 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:28.199 That's because the idea is that the graveyard and that 1921 01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.800 earth is saturated with death essence, especially the older the 1922 01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:34.800 graveyard and better you know, where the coffins have rotted 1923 01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.479 away and the flesh is actually you know, in the dirt. 1924 01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:39.760 The roots from the tree, Like if I'm gonna make 1925 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:43.840 like like you heard people making magic wands or whatever. 1926 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:46.600 I did that one time to see if I can 1927 01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:49.000 fucking do it. And so I went and I cut 1928 01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:50.960 a limb off of it. Was a giant oak tree 1929 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.560 in a graveyard surrounded by graves. I'm just like, these 1930 01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:56.560 roots from this tree have got to be growing through 1931 01:34:56.680 --> 01:35:00.319 these dead bodies, so and feeding off of them. I'm 1932 01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:02.000 gonna go cut a limb off this tree and make 1933 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.760 a wond out of it for baneful works and you 1934 01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.920 know magic wand that's just that's a tool to channel 1935 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:10.720 your energy through, you know, like people like sit there 1936 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:14.000 and point it at something and just visualize what they're 1937 01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:17.680 trying to do. And I mean, yeah, all this stuff 1938 01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:21.640 is just tools to help the magician do what they're 1939 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.640 what they're trying to do. I mean, some practitioner will 1940 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.159 tell you all magic comes from within. You don't need 1941 01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.720 the tools. Okay, maybe you don't, but sure as hell 1942 01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:33.199 makes my job a lot fucking easier to have some tools. 1943 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:35.640 Yeah, so magic ones are real. 1944 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:39.760 Yeah okay, but could you build a house without a hammer? 1945 01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:42.920 You know. And the thing with magical tools too, they 1946 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:45.199 get stronger and smarter the more you use them, just 1947 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:48.159 like radionics machines, you know, they get concentrated with energy. 1948 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:49.960 And same with like a room, like if you just 1949 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:52.199 do magic in one room of the house and that's 1950 01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:54.039 where you do magic, especially if it's a room just 1951 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:58.119 for doing magic, a bona fide temple, like like after 1952 01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:02.039 a couple of years, that energy it gets so concentrated 1953 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:04.640 that you can just do anything and get really solid results. 1954 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:07.439 You can think of someone and then almost like see 1955 01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:10.600 them having a conversation. You know, you can just hone 1956 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:14.600 in on people. It's just yeah, the concentration of energy. 1957 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.640 It's because it's not just a tool itself, but like 1958 01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:20.840 the more you use it, it becomes stronger than if 1959 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:21.880 you just didn't have it. 1960 01:36:22.479 --> 01:36:24.399 So it's like cast iron, the more you use it, 1961 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:26.399 the more season it gets, the better it is for 1962 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:27.680 cooking exactly. 1963 01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:29.479 And I like using cast iron and magic. 1964 01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:33.079 So in magic, all right, for what purpose? Break this down? 1965 01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:36.159 Like you know, like burning my petitions and stuff like that. 1966 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:40.920 Mostly for that purpose to make sure something doesn't fly off. 1967 01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:45.920 But like like downstairs, that's usually when I work with 1968 01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:49.520 like more infernal spirits, and I have a little cast 1969 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:54.279 iron pan there. It's like at least fifty years old. 1970 01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:56.800 I don't know how old it is, but it could 1971 01:36:56.840 --> 01:37:01.479 go back to the seventies. But super nice. But yeah, 1972 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.960 you know, I'll put my petition on piece of paper, 1973 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:05.960 put a drop of blood on it, light it in 1974 01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:09.960 the thing. But yeah, I like using cast iron, you know. 1975 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:14.039 Okay, all right now, kind of going off topic, but 1976 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:18.600 still in the same conversation, right, what is your opinion 1977 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.720 on Alistair? Actually, no, let's start from the beginning. Let's start, 1978 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:24.760 let's start even more current base. What is your opinion 1979 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:25.760 on anton Levey? 1980 01:37:26.439 --> 01:37:28.640 My personal opinion, yes. 1981 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:31.279 In the realm, not of him as a human being. 1982 01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:33.920 That I mean that's subject to open interpretation here. I 1983 01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:37.119 mean as far as the things that he wrote down, 1984 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:40.399 the things that he believed, the movement that some would 1985 01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:43.800 say that he started, and as that pertains to what 1986 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.960 you do for your work, what is your opinion of 1987 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:47.359 the man? 1988 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:48.439 All right? 1989 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:50.840 I mean, well, obviously you know, I didn't know him personally, 1990 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:53.319 has a pleasure to meet him or anything like that. 1991 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:58.199 I know they marketed Satanism is like like they were 1992 01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:01.640 like atheists and they all devil's an archetype. We don't 1993 01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:04.800 really believe in demons, We don't believe this stuff like that. 1994 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:07.800 But but antonona A still performed like curses and ritual 1995 01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:10.920 magic and claimed to have killed people using it. And 1996 01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:13.640 I saw an interview with him a long time ago, 1997 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:16.279 and you know they were asking M, like you actually 1998 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:19.760 do like spell work, like ritual magic, voodoo dolls, things 1999 01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:21.960 like that, and he was like, yeah, it works. It worked, 2000 01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:24.479 you know, thousands of years ago, it still works today. 2001 01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:27.520 So I mean, obviously the dude was practicing some type 2002 01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:31.840 of real ritual magic, if any of that's true. Doben 2003 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:35.079 never joined like an organization or anything like that, especially 2004 01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:39.439 not like an atheistic organization, and part of me wonders 2005 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.119 if they're just like that's just how they package it 2006 01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:45.000 and sell it. I don't know, but the Church of 2007 01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:48.119 Satan was all about showmanship, you know, it was putting 2008 01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:50.600 on a show, just like churches do. At least they 2009 01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:53.319 were they were honest about it at least, But that's 2010 01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:57.560 that's definitely not my type of my clique. 2011 01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:01.079 It's also important because you know, it's nineteen sixties, so 2012 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.239 I can see him being more of a theistic and 2013 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:08.840 more of a spiritual Satanist and then framing it as 2014 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.920 an atheist just to make it more palatable for nineteen 2015 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:16.079 sixty culture, you know. So that's possible. But one thing 2016 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:18.159 I want to say, though, is because a lot of 2017 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:20.399 people think the guy's are fraud and he might be 2018 01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:22.520 part fraud, who knows, but a lot of people, you know, 2019 01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:25.920 there's a lot of mixed feelings about the guy, and 2020 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:28.159 and even though a lot of the Satanic Bible was 2021 01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:34.800 plagiarized from Mitas right, it was still an insanely important 2022 01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:37.159 book to have happened, you know, if that was something 2023 01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.720 that changed a lot of people's lives, you know, and 2024 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:44.319 and it's a lot of people's introduction, you know, into magic. 2025 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:44.600 You know. 2026 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:48.279 So even though like a lot of like the atheistic Satanists, 2027 01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:50.720 I consider them a joke, but you know, not to 2028 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:54.119 be a dick or anything, but I don't mean especially 2029 01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:57.600 what it's devaulved into now. They're just like basically boot 2030 01:39:57.680 --> 01:39:58.600 liquors for the system. 2031 01:39:58.640 --> 01:39:58.800 You know. 2032 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.720 There's a bunch of fucking cuts as far as I'm concerned. 2033 01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:04.840 And that's why I asked, because most people have talked 2034 01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:08.640 to that at least dabble into the realm of practical 2035 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:11.960 magic in the left hand path, and things cannot stand lovey, 2036 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:16.760 I mean hell, he by his own emission, says, the biggest. 2037 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:22.479 Evil you can do is masturbation. Like his words, not mine. 2038 01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:24.920 He's basically saying like, oh, you think you're so evil, 2039 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:26.760 but you don't even have the balls to spit in 2040 01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:29.800 God's face by spilling your sea, which is the ultimate 2041 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:32.600 evil pussy And it's like, I. 2042 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:34.800 Feel like you missed a couple of steps there, my guy. 2043 01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:40.720 Right, the French called the orgasm a little death or 2044 01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:42.479 a tiny death or something like that. 2045 01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:47.000 Right, mort Yeah, but I mean even still, it just 2046 01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:49.640 it always felt weird to me that that was what 2047 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:54.079 he considered the ultimate evil sacrificing animal. That's cool masturbation though, 2048 01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:55.760 that's the fucking kicker. 2049 01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:56.039 Boy. 2050 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:59.479 It's like, I feel like you're an early Inceel. 2051 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:01.600 And like you said, a lot of people say that 2052 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.399 he was a grifter because at one point in time 2053 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:07.039 it seemed to be all about the showmanship and all 2054 01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:09.159 about the money of it. And you know, I just 2055 01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:12.600 didn't know if y'all personally had a take on that situation. 2056 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:14.800 Yeah, well, I just think it's like one of those things, 2057 01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:17.880 like it or not, the Satanic Bible was extremely important. 2058 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:19.640 Okay, fair enough. 2059 01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:24.199 Now, Actually, earlier today we brought up Edward Kelly and 2060 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:24.800 John Deep. 2061 01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:26.239 We're going there in a minute. Hold on, I want 2062 01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.039 to ask Hi about Crowley. First, we're starting, then we're 2063 01:41:28.039 --> 01:41:33.119 going back. Okay, I gotcha, Yeah, Now, next question, Alistair Crowley. 2064 01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:36.119 What is y'all's take on him? 2065 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:36.800 Good Barth? 2066 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:40.960 All right, Well, uh, another one of those guys like 2067 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:44.560 him or love him. He was really important. But uh, 2068 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:48.880 you know, uh, I wouldn't trust that guy alone with children. 2069 01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:51.000 At point. 2070 01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:54.640 You know, do y'all believe that he was practicing real 2071 01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:56.239 left hand path magic? 2072 01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:59.199 Yeah, especially later on when he got when he became 2073 01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:02.199 like a drug gaddict and uh, you know, and him 2074 01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:03.760 and a bunch of his friends were just like super 2075 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:06.359 degenerate at that time, and they were going like really 2076 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:10.520 hard on transgression. Uh. And yeah, I think Alsta Crowley 2077 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:15.199 one was the real deal for sure, There's no way 2078 01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:17.479 around it, you know. And then you also got to think, 2079 01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:20.960 you know, because he brought yoga to America, is like 2080 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.000 one of those guys that really brought yoga to America, 2081 01:42:24.039 --> 01:42:25.479 one of the first to do it. And you got 2082 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:28.319 to think, though, you know, like eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, 2083 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:30.520 it wasn't like you could just like go to a 2084 01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.720 yoga studio with your little yoga matt and your Starbucks 2085 01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:37.279 coffee and learn yoga. You know. He probably had to 2086 01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:40.880 like take a train, take a boat, take a bush plane, 2087 01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:45.119 take a motorcycle taxi all the way up this mountain. 2088 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:45.760 You know. 2089 01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:50.199 Yeah, so you just said, some guy talked about the 2090 01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:53.680 drugs and the the djin of it all, right, why 2091 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:56.880 is that so endemic to those that operate in the 2092 01:42:56.920 --> 01:42:59.520 left hand path? Not one hundred percent rule by any means, 2093 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.119 but it seems like that is a vibe that goes 2094 01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:03.279 along with that culture. 2095 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:03.920 Why is this? 2096 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:07.000 It's a pitfall, man, And it means the same with 2097 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:10.600 musicians and rockstar culture and metal heads. You know, like 2098 01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:15.840 how many metal heads look the same lifestyle rappers, you know, Yeah, 2099 01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.840 and a lot of it is from the do as will. 2100 01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:21.880 A lot of people have like a misinterpretation of it, 2101 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:25.920 and I kind of use it as a just to 2102 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:29.279 be excessive, you know. But here's and here's the other thing, 2103 01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:31.359 you know, because because a lot of people do get 2104 01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:34.439 into magic, are like musicians and artists and stuff who 2105 01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:37.800 are already prone to that kind of lifestyle. But it is, 2106 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:39.960 but it is a pitfall. And same with the metal heads, 2107 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:42.399 you know, Like I like a lot of like metal musicians. 2108 01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:44.319 You know, they'll almost start start off looking kind of 2109 01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:47.239 like almost like elves, you know, like like skinny and 2110 01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:49.880 healthy looking and clean coat, me long hair, you know, 2111 01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:54.119 and then like after like twenty years of like brutal 2112 01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:57.239 death metal and living off pizza and beer. They kind 2113 01:43:57.239 --> 01:43:58.560 of as look like trolls. 2114 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:00.880 You know, no doubt. 2115 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:03.520 But a lot of metal musicians also they're doing it 2116 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:05.560 for the aesthetic. I feel like a lot of them 2117 01:44:05.960 --> 01:44:08.239 are not actually dabbling in the dark arts. There are 2118 01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:11.199 some that clearly some for sure, but a lot of 2119 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:14.239 it's just because like that's what the genre expects of them, 2120 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:14.760 kind of thing. 2121 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:17.159 You want to hear some shit on that. Okay, So 2122 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:22.760 this this band was auditioning for a bass player, right, 2123 01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:26.319 and they look like all their influences and what they're 2124 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.600 kind of going for, and it was all like like 2125 01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:33.680 a cult and like blood magic and all this stuff. 2126 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.119 And then when I get there and actually start talking 2127 01:44:37.119 --> 01:44:39.520 about magic and stuff, I could tell it right away 2128 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:43.359 that it was like, uh right, like it was too much, 2129 01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:44.880 you know, it was too much for them. They're like, 2130 01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:49.319 oh shit, exactly. Yeah. So I was kind of disillusioned 2131 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:49.640 after that. 2132 01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:52.159 I mean, I laughed it off, you know, but I 2133 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:52.800 get it though. 2134 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:54.960 So you're saying that it's kind of a pitfall that 2135 01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:56.880 goes along with this with the whole do as thou 2136 01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:02.039 wilt thing, which does your both of you all's practice 2137 01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:04.239 does fall in line would do as thou wilt. 2138 01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:12.319 Correct, I'm not I guess okay, So do as thou 2139 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:16.079 wilt does not mean do whatever you want. Yeah, that's 2140 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:21.479 the misinterpretation. I think you were talking about Byron. Yeah 2141 01:45:22.119 --> 01:45:24.199 as hard as like, what what do I think about 2142 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:28.319 Crowley or Crawley. I think he did some important things 2143 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:31.840 to make He wrote some good things whatnot that have 2144 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.720 helped people on on the left hand path. But I 2145 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:37.479 mean personally, I think he was a sick motherfucker and 2146 01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:39.920 if we were to be in the same room together 2147 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:42.159 for long, no doubt I'd end up beating the ship 2148 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:43.840 out of that guy. 2149 01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:47.159 Yeah, you would say that he was a true practitioner, correct. 2150 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:51.439 I think he really did practice ritual magic. And I 2151 01:45:51.439 --> 01:45:55.399 also think he was a sick, twisted weirdo that took 2152 01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:58.479 it up the ass. And I like to put people 2153 01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:01.600 up to you know, fun goats and slitting their throats 2154 01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:04.680 and shit. Yeah, doing that with kids around, like. 2155 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:08.880 Slipping drugs in their drinks and yeah, stuff like that. 2156 01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.319 We gotta be honest about what the character of that man. 2157 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:15.479 He made an awesome tarot deck us deck. 2158 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:16.920 He wrote some. 2159 01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:19.840 Good ship, but he also rested really sick, twisted shit, 2160 01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:23.319 and me personally, i'd probably executed him. 2161 01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:25.640 My biggest which I agree with everything you're saying, by 2162 01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:28.039 the way, but I just my biggest issue with him 2163 01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:30.439 is that if at least by his own emission, he 2164 01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:33.279 was like the most powerful, he was the deepest into 2165 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:36.319 the darker colt and all these things. My biggest issue 2166 01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:38.359 with that is that the Battle at Blyth Road would 2167 01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:39.840 say that that's a fucking lie. 2168 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:43.000 You gentlemen are familiar with this story, correct. 2169 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:46.560 No, no, okay, so not really, but I know that 2170 01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.840 he spent a lot of time in a fucking nursing 2171 01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:51.840 home with a severe drug addiction. That's not powerful. 2172 01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:53.840 No, it is not. No, it is not. 2173 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:57.279 So the TLDR of the Battle of blath Road, he 2174 01:46:57.399 --> 01:46:59.479 was with the Order of the Golden Dawn. Later they 2175 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:02.840 became all right, find cool things. Is before he found 2176 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:04.760 it the Lima and all that came a little bit later. 2177 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:07.199 This is the early nineteen twenties or late nineteen teens, 2178 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:09.760 I believe, and it was in England, and you know, 2179 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:11.880 he had a falling out with them because there was 2180 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.680 already a big schism going on with Blovotsky and her 2181 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:17.880 Eastern methodology to things and. 2182 01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:18.920 Forget the guy's name. 2183 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:22.960 It was an Irish guy and his more western esoteric 2184 01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:24.880 thinking of things. So there was already kind of a 2185 01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:27.159 schism going on between the Order of the Golden Dawn, 2186 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.800 and he decided he wanted to take the reins, and 2187 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:32.159 everybody pretty much told him, bro, shut up, like you're 2188 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:34.640 not even close to the top dog here, relaxed. 2189 01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:35.760 So he goes off. 2190 01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:38.680 He does a bunch of incantations and spells, and you know, 2191 01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:41.159 I think he actually did some sacrifices and all these things. 2192 01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:43.640 He decides to go up to the main temple of 2193 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:45.359 the Order of the Golden Dawn and he was going 2194 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:48.560 to start casting some curses at these motherfuckers. So he 2195 01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:50.920 gets there and all the top dogs happened to be there. 2196 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:52.640 He made sure it was on a meeting night, so 2197 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:55.880 everybody was in attendance. He walks in and he starts 2198 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:59.159 throwing his hand signs and his magic sigils, and he's 2199 01:47:59.159 --> 01:48:01.800 doing his incante and they start doing it back at him, 2200 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:03.119 like this is a straight up some sort of a 2201 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:06.039 weird Star Wars Battle of the Force going on. And 2202 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:08.800 then as he got closer and closer, spitting that demonic shit, 2203 01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:12.359 your boy decided he had enough and just fucking roundhouse Crowley, 2204 01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:13.960 and then the rest of them came around. 2205 01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:15.760 And kept stomping him until the cops came and pulled 2206 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:16.319 him out of there. 2207 01:48:16.720 --> 01:48:18.359 I have a hard time believing that if he was 2208 01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:21.359 such a hardcore dark magician that he would have been 2209 01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:24.439 so easily roundhoused and shit, especially if he was in 2210 01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:26.720 his moment doing all the things right. 2211 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:28.000 So, I don't know. 2212 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:30.079 I think he was personally a massive piece of shit, 2213 01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:31.600 and I also think that that's what he was doing. 2214 01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:33.640 He was like doing it for the purpose of being 2215 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:34.720 a massive piece of shit. 2216 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.600 It was also a human though, you know what I mean, Like, 2217 01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:39.600 so is both of them. 2218 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:41.199 Then they both practice these things. 2219 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:43.640 Well, a roundhouse is going to take out most people. 2220 01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:46.800 To me, yeah, other of them have claimed that they 2221 01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:49.000 would be able to do a force field around them. 2222 01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:50.680 Neither of them have made such a claim, Nor am 2223 01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:53.079 I saying that they have. I'm just saying they're like, yes, 2224 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:55.960 they're both real human beings that are really performing these 2225 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:59.439 dark arts. Crowley was a real human being performing dark arts. 2226 01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:01.159 I think he just took it to a level to 2227 01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:03.520 where it was like, bro, first of all, calm down, 2228 01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:05.079 just just calming on down. 2229 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:08.039 You know. Well, if I'm in if I'm in the 2230 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:11.640 circle doing one of my rituals, in all of my glory, 2231 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:13.560 and you can whack me in the head with a hammer, 2232 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:17.079 I'm still gonna go down, you know. So, I mean, 2233 01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:19.239 and where I think you went wrong is I mean, 2234 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:22.640 that's kind of a pussy ass move. If I got 2235 01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:25.359 a problem with you and we're in the same room, 2236 01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:27.439 I'm gonna rip your face off with my hands. I 2237 01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:30.199 don't fuck curseing you to your face. I will use 2238 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:32.920 curses on people and I can't physically get my hands 2239 01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:35.199 on them. If I have an issue, I don't go 2240 01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:37.920 straight to magic like I will come to your house 2241 01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:40.239 and stomp you out if it's that bad. 2242 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:42.479 Okay with you, But is there not a curse that 2243 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.680 could be done in such a way, like almost in 2244 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.760 a movie esque type of way here of like you 2245 01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:51.039 like throw a curse at somebody and it fucking hits 2246 01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:53.600 some Harry Potter style. Do these types of things exist 2247 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:54.680 or not at all? 2248 01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:55.840 Okay? 2249 01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:58.640 Well, I know a magical command word to give someone 2250 01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:01.279 a panic attack, and you would use that on them 2251 01:50:01.319 --> 01:50:03.800 in person. You just look at them and speak the 2252 01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:08.279 word and it induces fear and terror as far as 2253 01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:13.479 like dropping somebody killing them. I've heard stories about magicians 2254 01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:16.079 that could do things like that, but it obviously didn't 2255 01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:18.079 work for Crowley, and I haven't figured out how to 2256 01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:20.479 do it yet. But I've never tried to do it either. 2257 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:22.640 If I'm that close to you, I'm'll punch in the face. 2258 01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:25.399 Fucks magic, bro Listen, just like. 2259 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:26.479 Men heard that. 2260 01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:28.479 One thing I want to say about it, though, is like, 2261 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.319 one hundred years after the fact, a lot of people 2262 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:33.239 are still under the influence of his magic. Yeah, what 2263 01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:36.399 do you mean now, Like like a lot of people, 2264 01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:39.359 like even all the Truthers still talking about him, you know, 2265 01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:43.479 all the Croley fanboys still talking about him, all the 2266 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:46.159 things he's set in motion. I mean even the whole 2267 01:50:46.199 --> 01:50:50.119 like hippies, you know, sixties, seventies and eighties, nineties, you 2268 01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:54.640 know was also a huge a decade for Croley. I mean, yeah, 2269 01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:59.000 a lot of people are still today. So imagine doing 2270 01:50:59.079 --> 01:51:01.800 magic one hundred years ago and it still hasn't fizzled 2271 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:02.920 out yet. 2272 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:05.439 By that, you mean like people are still talking about 2273 01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:06.560 the ship that you did. 2274 01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:10.319 Yeah, and and the stuff that he's set in motion 2275 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:11.439 is still at. 2276 01:51:11.239 --> 01:51:14.600 Work today, like some of the spells and incantations that 2277 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:14.880 he did. 2278 01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:16.880 You mean, yeah, like a lot of the stuff that 2279 01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:19.720 he set in motion is still at work today, like. 2280 01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:21.880 Still keeping them alive in spirit essentially. 2281 01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:24.399 Oh yeah, was that too? 2282 01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:24.680 Yeah? 2283 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:27.399 I mean you're talking about like at this point, he's 2284 01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:31.039 practically a deity or a demon or whatever, you know, 2285 01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:32.880 like you could summon him and work with them at 2286 01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.600 this point. You know, imagine how many people are feeding 2287 01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:40.720 his egg after his death, you know. So, so I 2288 01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:44.399 mean he's he's almost deified at this point, you know. 2289 01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:46.680 I mean he's up there with like George Washington. 2290 01:51:47.720 --> 01:51:50.239 Okay, now, Byron, I heard you say Gore, So you 2291 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:51.840 absolutely believe in these things? 2292 01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:57.399 My boy? Do you believe in them as well? Yeah? 2293 01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:00.239 Oh yeah, you can create it in a Greg Goork. Yeah, 2294 01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:01.840 it's a thought for him. 2295 01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.279 So you do believe that you can in fact manifest 2296 01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:07.039 a agger Gore or a Tulpa in that. 2297 01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:09.680 Yeah, that's a good term for it. Yeah, that's possible. 2298 01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:10.239 I believe that. 2299 01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:14.039 Okay, what about Golams. 2300 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:18.239 I don't know. I've never I mean I've I've researched it. 2301 01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:20.880 Have I thought about doing an experiment trying to make 2302 01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:24.520 a gom Yeah, I've thought about it, but yeah, I 2303 01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:26.319 have no idea if it would work or not. 2304 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:28.680 Lord Byron, your thoughts on Golam. 2305 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:31.640 I look at it as just a servatory. And yeah, 2306 01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:33.720 I have a bunch of servators. Yeah, I got a 2307 01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:34.800 bunch right next to me. 2308 01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:38.760 Making a man out of clay and the magic symbol 2309 01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:40.079 and its animated. 2310 01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:44.039 Yeah, and I doubt that's that's what's going on. I'm 2311 01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:47.840 sure the the golam is just a servator, you know, 2312 01:52:48.079 --> 01:52:51.000 I guarantee, because the you know, like like in the 2313 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:53.800 one story with the Rabbi, the golam just sat in 2314 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:56.359 the corner, you know, and then and then they just 2315 01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:58.479 kept feeding it and feeding it and feeding it. 2316 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:02.239 Okay, So you're not of the belief that a golam 2317 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:06.199 a clayman with the sigil or the Hebrew words on 2318 01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:08.680 the forehead, whatever the case. You're not of the belief 2319 01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:11.359 that this thing will actually like animate itself and come 2320 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:14.640 to life, not in the way that the legend suggests. 2321 01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:16.960 Yeah, well, it's still gonna come to life, and it's 2322 01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:20.279 still gonna finish the job it has to do. It's 2323 01:53:20.359 --> 01:53:23.319 just not gonna, you know, the physical clay vessel isn't 2324 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:25.399 gonna move around. It might move a little bit in 2325 01:53:25.399 --> 01:53:27.439 your temple, you know, you might you know, notice it 2326 01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:29.640 over here, you know, but just. 2327 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:32.399 Not in the literal physically moving kind of sense. 2328 01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:35.760 No, No, okay, I don't think so fair. 2329 01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:38.399 But the servatoris are one of those things where I 2330 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:40.640 think a lot of people should should get into that. 2331 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.720 You know, they're not as strong as Yeah they're not 2332 01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:46.159 as they're not as strong as like something like Belile 2333 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:47.760 or prime On or something, but they're still some cool 2334 01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:49.600 sif you can do a servators. A servator is an 2335 01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:52.159 artificial spirit. Yeah, it's basically just. 2336 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:57.159 An artificial spirit that's marvel here in the servatory right here, baby, 2337 01:53:57.479 --> 01:54:00.520 So Edgar Tulpa, you're you're using that's servitor. 2338 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:03.279 Yeah, you're you're you're you're creating for that specific purpose, 2339 01:54:03.319 --> 01:54:05.199 and you can turn it into aniggard by having other 2340 01:54:05.239 --> 01:54:07.079 people you know work with it. 2341 01:54:07.319 --> 01:54:08.319 Gotcha, gotcha? 2342 01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:10.039 No, but uh but. 2343 01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:13.039 Yeah, servators are great. You know, I think in uh, 2344 01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:15.720 they say it's advanced, I wouldn't really call it advance 2345 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:19.800 and someone someone could probably make pretty effective servatories after 2346 01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:22.159 like a year or two doing magic if they're you know, 2347 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.239 had a study practice. 2348 01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:27.720 Fair enough, all right, now going back into time Edward Kelly, 2349 01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:32.000 John D. What is your gentleman's opinion on these two individuals? 2350 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:34.600 Me and Jonathan were having a conversation about them earlier. 2351 01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:37.600 I actually Jonathan did a little bit of extra research before, 2352 01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:40.920 like in between shooting earlier and shooting now. I have 2353 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:44.520 a whole different take on Edward Kelly, but I want 2354 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:45.760 to hear their opinion first and. 2355 01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:48.239 Whatnot. 2356 01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:53.840 Not well that but Edward Kelly himself, honestly, But and 2357 01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:55.560 then I guess second tier John D. 2358 01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:56.600 I'll get to that in a moment. 2359 01:54:56.640 --> 01:54:59.920 But first, gentlemen, what is y'all's take on these two individuals? 2360 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:04.000 You know, I don't know, man, it's a weird story. 2361 01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:06.960 Who knows, because whenever you go back in time that far, 2362 01:55:07.039 --> 01:55:10.640 it's who knows how much of it's even true? I 2363 01:55:10.640 --> 01:55:12.840 don't know. It's it's it's pretty weird, you know. Like 2364 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:15.159 everyone thinks Edward Kelly was like a like a like 2365 01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:19.680 a scammer. You know, he defrauded a few people. Some 2366 01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:23.000 people think he lost his ear from ripping some people 2367 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:26.039 off or something. I don't know, man, But the whole 2368 01:55:26.039 --> 01:55:28.439 like wife swapping thing, definitely gets a little weird. 2369 01:55:28.479 --> 01:55:31.199 And but you're hitting the nail on the head. I 2370 01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:34.840 didn't know any of these things before I did some research. So, JS, 2371 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:36.640 what is your thoughts on these two individuals. 2372 01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:39.920 I really don't know enough about either one of them 2373 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:44.000 to give an opinion. You mentioned wife swapping. They were 2374 01:55:44.039 --> 01:55:44.479 into that. 2375 01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:48.319 At one point, Yeah, I think so. 2376 01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:51.880 So. I think Edward Kelly kind of hustled that. I 2377 01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:56.239 think he was like, oh, yeah, the angels they so 2378 01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:58.399 that's pretty much what we're gonna do tonight, right. 2379 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:05.800 So I don't I don't respect people that swap wives. 2380 01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:08.760 Fair enough, okay. So, and for the record, it's not 2381 01:56:08.840 --> 01:56:12.800 like they were into the swinger thing. It was allegedly 2382 01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:15.600 a one time thing. And let me all right the 2383 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:21.039 breakdown this. So John d very famous polymath, dark magician, occultist, 2384 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:23.680 all of these things. He was in multiple royal courts 2385 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:27.119 for his ability to do alchemy and sorcery in things 2386 01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:29.680 of the like, right, and he was well known before 2387 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:33.039 Edward Kelly ever came about. Then Edward Kelly hooked up 2388 01:56:33.079 --> 01:56:35.760 with him and was like, Hey, I like the things 2389 01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:36.239 you're doing. 2390 01:56:36.399 --> 01:56:38.239 Let me train under you. We need to work together. 2391 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:40.479 And at first John d was kind of like, ah, 2392 01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:43.439 I don't really know your credentials ain't exactly credentialing at 2393 01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:45.640 this time. We'll see how it goes, but I'm not 2394 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:47.640 exactly going to bring you in under my wing. Right 2395 01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:52.039 cut to they both are under the uh they're in 2396 01:56:52.119 --> 01:56:55.119 the court of Rudolph the second, which was a Austrian 2397 01:56:55.239 --> 01:56:57.920 and Bavarian king. We would now call that German, but 2398 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:01.319 he was a part of the Habsburg dynasty. They later 2399 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:03.920 on went to England and under the same thing. Because 2400 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:05.920 you know, all the royals were cousins and all these 2401 01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:11.680 things neither here nor there. So apparently Edward Kelly could 2402 01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:15.279 talk to angels, right, he could invoke them. He was 2403 01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:18.399 doing crystal scrying and all these things. And when you 2404 01:57:18.439 --> 01:57:21.640 read what these version of crystal scrying that he was doing, 2405 01:57:22.079 --> 01:57:24.000 it sounds a whole hell of a lot like your 2406 01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.640 boy Joseph Smith with the Mormons. And how only he 2407 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:28.840 could look through the moonstone and write down what it said, 2408 01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:30.600 but don't question it otherwise it won't work. 2409 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:31.720 But whatever, whatever. 2410 01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:35.199 Then because of this he came up with the Anochian 2411 01:57:35.239 --> 01:57:38.560 alphabet and the Anochian language completely. He was the only 2412 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:41.399 one that could even have this because he just like 2413 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.640 had the gift cut to one day. And keep in 2414 01:57:44.680 --> 01:57:46.800 mind to your point that you made Lord Byron, both 2415 01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:49.520 him and John D's had both of their ears clipped 2416 01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:52.640 because they had already been caught in fraud from years past. 2417 01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:56.680 John Dee was able to kind of restore his image 2418 01:57:56.920 --> 01:57:59.560 in the court of the royals, but he had a 2419 01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:00.239 rough art. 2420 01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:00.880 We'll leave it at that. 2421 01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:04.119 Edward Kelly was also a known hoaxer, which is why 2422 01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:07.199 he had his ears clipped. But whatever, and there are 2423 01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:09.199 some that say, oh, we had his ears clips because 2424 01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:11.720 he was practicing alchemy and that was an evil science 2425 01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:12.800 and that's why it was clipped. 2426 01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:14.239 But if that was the case, then why was he 2427 01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:16.800 being invited to the royal courts? If they knew that 2428 01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:17.359 he was evil? 2429 01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:19.840 Why would the kings, who were ordained by God to 2430 01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:22.319 lead be bringing these guys in. So I think there's 2431 01:58:22.399 --> 01:58:26.119 kind of a weird, not understood sentiment there. But moving on, 2432 01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:31.199 he was doing his scrying and he came to the 2433 01:58:31.239 --> 01:58:35.000 realization that the angels told him that John Dee and 2434 01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:39.760 him had to swap wives for whatever practice that they 2435 01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:43.319 were trying to accomplish. John Dee believed him hook line 2436 01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:44.640 and sinker and told his wife. 2437 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:46.920 His wife apparently wept for half an hour or a 2438 01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:48.560 quarter of an hour over. 2439 01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:50.880 This, and then after about five months of getting used 2440 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:52.199 to the idea, they finally made. 2441 01:58:52.039 --> 01:58:53.319 A wife swap thing happen. 2442 01:58:54.560 --> 01:58:57.720 This led to John Dee completely severing all ties with 2443 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:01.199 Everard Kelly, and he ended up ousting him and telling 2444 01:59:01.239 --> 01:59:03.319 him get the fuck out of the court of King Rudolph, 2445 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:05.359 because I got shit, I'm actually working on here and 2446 01:59:05.399 --> 01:59:07.760 you're full of shit. He goes back to England and 2447 01:59:07.800 --> 01:59:10.640 gets put to death because he continued to grift and 2448 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:14.159 lie on all these things. But there are so many 2449 01:59:14.199 --> 01:59:17.520 people that believe even though again known fraudster, even the 2450 01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:20.479 man himself, John d called him such. There are so 2451 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:23.039 many people out there that work in this realm or 2452 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:25.680 at least dabble, that believe that these two guys are 2453 01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:30.560 like the quintessential polymath, alchemist, occultist dark magicians, and if 2454 01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:32.760 you're not reading their books, then you're not even fucking 2455 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:33.600 doing magic. 2456 01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:33.800 Bro. 2457 01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:37.680 I don't know, I personally have no dog in that fight, 2458 01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:41.680 but it sounds very much of the Levee and the 2459 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:46.760 Crowley realm to me, of like maybe they were accurate 2460 01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:49.079 to some degree on what they were doing, but I 2461 01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:51.039 also feel like a lot of what they were doing 2462 01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:53.239 was more for the hype and to stay in the 2463 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:54.359 good graces of the king. 2464 01:59:55.000 --> 01:59:58.800 I don't know, Yeah, it sounds like dude tricked his 2465 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:00.000 buddy and the lending fuck. 2466 01:59:59.920 --> 02:00:07.239 Is yeah, that's totally what. But uh, you know, it's 2467 02:00:07.279 --> 02:00:08.239 hard to say, you know. 2468 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:12.560 I mean, so. 2469 02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:17.840 When it comes to magic, to the person doing the magic, 2470 02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:20.520 it's like this really profound thing, you know, like you know, 2471 02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:22.960 that feeling when you and your you're like a teenager 2472 02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:24.600 or something, you and your buddies like eat some mask 2473 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.359 it or eat some mushrooms for like the first time, 2474 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:29.239 you know, and you guys have this huge profound moment 2475 02:00:29.880 --> 02:00:33.920 and it's almost hard to comprehend like how profound it was. 2476 02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:38.079 But if you're to see like a camera of what 2477 02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:39.600 they were doing all day, they would just be like 2478 02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:47.239 sitting on the couch giggling at nothing, you know. So 2479 02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:49.560 so I could see it being difficult to like verify 2480 02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:52.199 certain things back then, and especially when you're talking about 2481 02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:56.239 someone who's profane, uh just not getting it, you know. 2482 02:00:56.479 --> 02:01:00.479 I mean, let's look at the Aminuville horror story that 2483 02:01:00.520 --> 02:01:03.520 house was like severely haunted. The stories that were coming 2484 02:01:03.560 --> 02:01:05.840 out of that were like really bad. But what the 2485 02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:09.119 movie guys got there and this is they looked at 2486 02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:12.840 it like a low level haunting because it's not exactly 2487 02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:16.880 like camera ready phenomenon, you know, because because a lot 2488 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:19.000 of the stuff that's going on is really internal and 2489 02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:21.159 a lot of stuff going on, So it's just one 2490 02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:23.399 of those things. So they made them like make up 2491 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:27.079 more stuff for that. But even though the original story 2492 02:01:27.079 --> 02:01:30.159 of what was happening was a pretty brutal haunting, you know, 2493 02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:32.560 it's just not like nineteen eighties Hollywood. 2494 02:01:32.760 --> 02:01:35.800 Well, and also, like the idea of scrying, I would 2495 02:01:35.920 --> 02:01:39.119 understand why somebody would say, well, I'm the only one 2496 02:01:39.119 --> 02:01:42.199 that can see this thing as I'm scrying, because it's 2497 02:01:42.760 --> 02:01:46.960 scrying is you're not necessarily seeing something manifest in the 2498 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:50.560 crystal ball. You're using the scrying mirror or the ball 2499 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:54.560 or whatever as a tool to be able to almost 2500 02:01:54.600 --> 02:01:57.479 gaze and put you in more of a meditative state 2501 02:01:57.600 --> 02:01:59.199 in order to be able to comprehend. 2502 02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:01.640 So it's basically just like how fast you can get 2503 02:02:01.680 --> 02:02:04.319 a download. Yeah, yeah, it's. 2504 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:08.640 But do you all believe that Edward was actually scrying 2505 02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:11.520 or was he grifting and just doing enough things to 2506 02:02:11.600 --> 02:02:14.119 stay in the good graces of John D's. Because I'm 2507 02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:16.520 not saying he was the beginning of scrying by any means. 2508 02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:18.520 I will say that a lot of people that get 2509 02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:20.840 into scrying start referencing him because he was one of 2510 02:02:20.880 --> 02:02:23.000 the more famous guys to do and start writing. 2511 02:02:23.199 --> 02:02:27.840 Yeah, it's it's hard to say, you know, because it's 2512 02:02:27.840 --> 02:02:33.680 also like it if he was decent at scrying, you know, 2513 02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:36.439 like I don't know, because like a lot of people 2514 02:02:36.520 --> 02:02:38.000 practice crying, you know. 2515 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:41.720 So so so it's possible that he was actually pretty 2516 02:02:41.720 --> 02:02:43.279 decent at scrying and he was. 2517 02:02:43.199 --> 02:02:47.239 Still hustling, so to be true at the same time. 2518 02:02:47.279 --> 02:02:50.000 Yeah, you see what I'm saying, Like, and then it's 2519 02:02:50.079 --> 02:02:52.359 just like how good you are at scrying too, you know, 2520 02:02:52.520 --> 02:02:55.079 like because you can you can go to like three 2521 02:02:55.079 --> 02:02:57.880 different tarot card readers and get three different readings for 2522 02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:00.720 the same question, right right. 2523 02:03:00.920 --> 02:03:02.800 You know, I get this. 2524 02:03:02.920 --> 02:03:04.800 I just I got a hard time wrapping my head 2525 02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:06.960 around this. I find it to be the same as 2526 02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:10.159 if and I know this is not an apple to 2527 02:03:10.199 --> 02:03:12.760 apples comparison here, but bear with me. Let's say that 2528 02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:16.680 you got this pastor over this congregation, and he's been 2529 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:19.399 there for ten years, bro, and he has been slaying it. 2530 02:03:19.600 --> 02:03:19.800 Right. 2531 02:03:19.880 --> 02:03:22.439 He is on one, he is walking with God daily, 2532 02:03:22.520 --> 02:03:25.000 all the things, all the stuff. Then you find out 2533 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:27.600 that he's been having an affair, you know, on his 2534 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:30.720 wife for the past eight years. But he's been saying 2535 02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:33.319 really good things for the last ten years. Though all 2536 02:03:33.319 --> 02:03:35.119 of his sermons are great. It's like, yeah, well, I'm 2537 02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:37.479 not going to listen to a fucking thing this guy says, 2538 02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:38.720 like there's no way. 2539 02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.760 Although yes, his sermons were on the money, and. 2540 02:03:41.640 --> 02:03:43.199 Like, if you were to listen to it on YouTube 2541 02:03:43.279 --> 02:03:45.880 right now, man, that was a great sermon, a great message. 2542 02:03:46.039 --> 02:03:47.760 He is a piece of shit, So that kind of 2543 02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:50.800 detracts from everything else that was said about him, right. 2544 02:03:51.039 --> 02:03:54.640 Yeah, totally totally. And here's another thing too, Like let's 2545 02:03:54.640 --> 02:03:59.840 say he couldn't scry. You can still get divine messages 2546 02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:03.079 as long as you can tap into that stream of consciousness, 2547 02:04:03.439 --> 02:04:05.760 you know, So even if he wasn't like a real 2548 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:08.640 scrier and he was pretending describe, you could still get 2549 02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:10.159 something legit. 2550 02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:10.319 Out of that. 2551 02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:12.720 So a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and 2552 02:04:12.760 --> 02:04:15.560 then is what you mean, yeah, basically almost. 2553 02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:17.760 Think about it, like you've played sports before where you've 2554 02:04:17.760 --> 02:04:22.279 gotten in the zone, right, Like I've played football and fighting, right, Like, 2555 02:04:22.680 --> 02:04:25.199 there is just something magical about being in the zone. 2556 02:04:25.279 --> 02:04:28.359 You don't make a single wrong move, you are seeing 2557 02:04:28.399 --> 02:04:31.279 it before it happens, right, But what if you cheated 2558 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:32.359 on your wife before that? 2559 02:04:32.560 --> 02:04:34.960 Does that mean that you can't get into that zone? 2560 02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:39.560 Physical prowess versus the statements made by a guy? 2561 02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:42.039 Okay, to that point we're talking about altered mindsets is 2562 02:04:42.119 --> 02:04:44.039 essentially what I'm trying to say. It doesn't matter if 2563 02:04:44.079 --> 02:04:46.920 you're good or bad, you can still have these kind 2564 02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:48.520 of revelations of sorts. 2565 02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:51.159 To your point, think of like Toby maguire, your boy 2566 02:04:51.279 --> 02:04:53.399 was a home run hitter. Come to find out he 2567 02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:55.319 was using steroids and cheating Mark McGuire. 2568 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:56.680 That kebe MacGuire, spider Man. 2569 02:04:57.159 --> 02:04:58.479 What did I say, Toby. 2570 02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:02.239 Yeah, I meant Mark hole fuck gs my bad, my bad, 2571 02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:05.680 Mark maguire. It detracted from everything. And oh but he 2572 02:05:05.720 --> 02:05:07.760 said all these records. Yeah that's getting ripped from him 2573 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:10.279 now because he was a piece of shit. Well, I 2574 02:05:10.279 --> 02:05:13.199 mean steroids were illegal, so yeah, this is my point. 2575 02:05:13.239 --> 02:05:15.800 Physically, they we're all doing steroids. So I think it's 2576 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:16.560 kind of fucked. 2577 02:05:16.399 --> 02:05:19.640 Up Semissa and all them, right, I mean, but my 2578 02:05:19.680 --> 02:05:22.000 point is though, yeah, he was one of the greats 2579 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:24.560 until he was and when it was more discovered. Same 2580 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.880 with this whole scrying conversation, or with a philosophical or 2581 02:05:27.920 --> 02:05:31.000 a pastoral or whatever the case is. They could be 2582 02:05:31.039 --> 02:05:33.000 one of the greats until you find out that there's 2583 02:05:33.039 --> 02:05:35.840 something going on there and it detracts from everything else. 2584 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:36.840 That's how this works. 2585 02:05:36.920 --> 02:05:39.119 Well, it takes away from their validity, but I don't 2586 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:41.880 know if it takes away from you know, maybe their 2587 02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:43.319 own personal experiences. 2588 02:05:44.319 --> 02:05:46.800 The thing is, like, nobody wants to sit there and 2589 02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:49.359 listen to someone preach about morality and how they should 2590 02:05:49.359 --> 02:05:51.640 be and live their lives from from someone that's doing 2591 02:05:51.640 --> 02:05:56.159 the opposite, you know. So so you being a pastor 2592 02:05:56.199 --> 02:05:57.800 if you're fucking around your wife. 2593 02:05:57.520 --> 02:05:59.520 You know, the same could be said. 2594 02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:02.039 You have no business being a scrier if you're already 2595 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:04.600 known to be lying and trying to do all these 2596 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:05.199 other things. 2597 02:06:05.359 --> 02:06:06.840 At least I'm not going. 2598 02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:08.520 To listen to you if I know you're a liar, 2599 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:11.520 if I know you're a fraud, doesn't mean that you're 2600 02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:14.720 not telling people something right once in a while or 2601 02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:17.760 real once in a while. You know, you could be 2602 02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:21.479 a really good preacher and and and be screwed around 2603 02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:24.159 on your wife or diddling kids or that's what most 2604 02:06:24.199 --> 02:06:28.079 of them seem to be into, at least the Catholics anyway. 2605 02:06:28.159 --> 02:06:31.920 The Southern Baptists they like the fuck young girls, and 2606 02:06:32.039 --> 02:06:35.359 the Catholics like the fuck young boys. I don't know 2607 02:06:36.159 --> 02:06:39.399 what's the difference there with these two religions, but that's 2608 02:06:39.439 --> 02:06:42.279 their that's their preferences, and you know, you hear about 2609 02:06:42.359 --> 02:06:46.680 that way too much. It is way too widespread for 2610 02:06:46.760 --> 02:06:50.119 that not to be a part of their their religion. Like, 2611 02:06:50.239 --> 02:06:53.479 I really think that the Catholic priesthood is nothing but 2612 02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:54.600 a pedophile cult. 2613 02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:55.359 Yeah. 2614 02:06:55.399 --> 02:06:58.560 The same could be said for Satanic temples and Satanic 2615 02:06:58.840 --> 02:07:00.960 groups in general. 2616 02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:04.920 The kids, bro, why is this? Stants do not fuck 2617 02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:05.520 with kids? 2618 02:07:05.560 --> 02:07:08.840 Wait, what do you mean? There's all kinds of example caught. 2619 02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:11.399 There's there's there's turds in the punch bowl for sure. 2620 02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:13.760 Yeah, they're not real Satanists. 2621 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:17.119 Yeah, well that yeah, that's a non secretar almost. Yeah, 2622 02:07:17.199 --> 02:07:21.399 I mean it's there. There are people that are into 2623 02:07:21.399 --> 02:07:24.000 six ship and they take the transgression too far, and 2624 02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:26.159 then and then you have the phenomenon of the multi 2625 02:07:26.159 --> 02:07:29.000 generational abuse cults like we have out here in Utah. 2626 02:07:29.479 --> 02:07:34.880 And uh so, these people it's it's almost you know, 2627 02:07:35.279 --> 02:07:37.039 you can't even hate these people because they were born 2628 02:07:37.079 --> 02:07:39.439 the same thing happened to them. You're familiar with the 2629 02:07:39.479 --> 02:07:43.920 Hambling case, right, Jacob, Yes, Okay, so, uh he just 2630 02:07:43.960 --> 02:07:46.760 did a fucking live stream, dude with this like support graft. 2631 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:50.119 He got the charges dropped and everything, and he's very 2632 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:53.800 careful about how he says it, but he almost apologizes 2633 02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:58.640 in a way talking about how he's fractured and altered 2634 02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:02.600 because he went through it too. You know, it's really bizarre. 2635 02:08:02.680 --> 02:08:04.479 But you got to see this he put it out. 2636 02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:05.880 It's it's because. 2637 02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:08.600 You understand, dude, that hurt people, hurt people. I fully 2638 02:08:08.680 --> 02:08:11.960 understand that. That's not an excuse though, like the chain 2639 02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:13.640 of events has to stop with you. 2640 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:14.119 You gotta be. 2641 02:08:14.159 --> 02:08:16.399 Yeah, I'm not I'm not making excuses for I'm just 2642 02:08:16.399 --> 02:08:17.479 saying it's what happened. 2643 02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:19.800 No, I agree, but I mean, even to this point, 2644 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:22.760 I tell them how Satanists don't diddle kids. There's rituals 2645 02:08:22.760 --> 02:08:25.119 that I have looked into because I heard this and 2646 02:08:25.159 --> 02:08:27.720 I was like, there's no way that's accurate. There's rituals 2647 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.359 that involved taking the virginity of someone under thirteen years 2648 02:08:30.399 --> 02:08:33.119 old to perform it to its completion. So I mean 2649 02:08:33.119 --> 02:08:36.000 there's absolutely precedents for this written down in Grimwalds. 2650 02:08:36.039 --> 02:08:38.520 Yeah, and human sacrifice and all of that. 2651 02:08:38.600 --> 02:08:41.520 Yeah, absolutely human sacrifice, which people don't. 2652 02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:46.479 Did human sacrifice from way back when the Nordics would 2653 02:08:46.479 --> 02:08:49.239 do human sacrifice, but it wasn't against their will. They 2654 02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:51.359 willingly had to step up and claim that they wanted 2655 02:08:51.359 --> 02:08:52.119 to be sacrificed. 2656 02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:54.079 There's there's levels there, I get it. 2657 02:08:54.199 --> 02:08:56.760 Or if it was like maybe enemies that you conquered, yeah. 2658 02:08:57.239 --> 02:09:01.680 Well that's yes, that did that at least once a year. 2659 02:09:01.720 --> 02:09:03.479 But I mean there's levels to this. 2660 02:09:04.600 --> 02:09:09.439 So I think people underestimate how sophisticated like satanic panic 2661 02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:12.199 propaganda is or was, you know, and what the real 2662 02:09:12.239 --> 02:09:15.479 purpose of it was, And it really Shishka Bob the 2663 02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:19.479 brains of like anyone in the old community, like metal heads, goths, 2664 02:09:20.359 --> 02:09:23.439 magicians even like wickens and stuff and new agers. You know, 2665 02:09:23.479 --> 02:09:26.680 like they think everything is a Satanic panic. But but 2666 02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:29.199 I look at it, like the whole when Q was 2667 02:09:29.239 --> 02:09:31.680 going strong, I worked in a bar where there's a 2668 02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:33.680 lot of Trump supporters. You know, it's it's it's almost 2669 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:37.720 a Trump bar, and uh so I would ask all 2670 02:09:37.760 --> 02:09:40.560 the conservatives, especially in the morning. The conservatives were more 2671 02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:44.159 of the daytime crowd, and uh so I would ask 2672 02:09:44.199 --> 02:09:45.680 them all the time, you know, like, hey, what do 2673 02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:47.640 you think about Q? What do you think about Q? 2674 02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:49.880 Even guys that were talking about how Trump's putting a 2675 02:09:49.880 --> 02:09:51.399 stop at trafficking, I was like, hey, what do you 2676 02:09:51.399 --> 02:09:53.840 think about Q? None of them had ever heard of Q. 2677 02:09:54.359 --> 02:09:57.159 You know, people online have right no people out in 2678 02:09:57.239 --> 02:09:59.439 the real world, none of them had ever heard about Q. 2679 02:10:00.119 --> 02:10:02.119 During that same time when no one had heard about Q, 2680 02:10:02.399 --> 02:10:04.840 none of the conservatives knew about it. If you were 2681 02:10:04.880 --> 02:10:07.479 to ask any like leftists or like neo shit lip 2682 02:10:08.439 --> 02:10:10.840 what they thought about you, not only have they heard 2683 02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:14.319 about it, but they have a strong emotional attachment to it. 2684 02:10:14.800 --> 02:10:17.239 You know, Q was an online things. That makes sense. 2685 02:10:17.279 --> 02:10:19.680 A lot of the older conservative crowd don't know much 2686 02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:20.800 about the online world. 2687 02:10:20.880 --> 02:10:20.920 This. 2688 02:10:21.239 --> 02:10:23.880 Yeah, but so I mean, if QAnon was a sigh 2689 02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:26.199 of which I think it was, and none of the 2690 02:10:26.199 --> 02:10:28.479 conservatives out there have ever heard of it, but all 2691 02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:31.840 the ship lips have and they have a strong emotional 2692 02:10:31.880 --> 02:10:34.199 attachment to it. What do you think, who do you 2693 02:10:34.239 --> 02:10:36.960 think they're really targeting. I mean, it's multi faceting, they're 2694 02:10:36.960 --> 02:10:40.479 targeting multiple groups, but you know, it definitely affected the 2695 02:10:40.520 --> 02:10:41.960 one group a lot worse than the other. 2696 02:10:42.960 --> 02:10:44.680 I think you're on the money with that one. Honestly. 2697 02:10:44.720 --> 02:10:48.159 I'm not saying Q was honest one hundred percent op 2698 02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:50.920 or a counterop or whatever, but I think you're on 2699 02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:53.880 the money as far as one side of the political spectrum. 2700 02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:56.359 Listen to everything he said so that they could have 2701 02:10:56.399 --> 02:10:59.560 a retort. The other side kind of knows a thing 2702 02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:01.520 or two that was said, but not really because they 2703 02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:03.920 wanted to paying attention for the Q drops because they 2704 02:11:03.960 --> 02:11:06.039 have more important shit to do, like you know, go 2705 02:11:06.119 --> 02:11:07.199 to work and ship. 2706 02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:09.359 Yeah, you know, and a lot of the truthers have 2707 02:11:09.439 --> 02:11:12.199 been around for a while. I thought it was a 2708 02:11:12.199 --> 02:11:15.239 siah from the get go, you know. And yeah, but 2709 02:11:16.159 --> 02:11:18.079 I don't know, you know, it doesn't mean there's not 2710 02:11:18.119 --> 02:11:18.600 truth in it. 2711 02:11:19.159 --> 02:11:23.720 Yeah, And I don't know when Ember said that Trump, Jizhuping, 2712 02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:27.640 Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong un are all secretly a 2713 02:11:27.640 --> 02:11:29.880 part of a cabal to bring about the end of 2714 02:11:29.920 --> 02:11:30.800 the New World Order. 2715 02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:34.000 I'm like, okay, pump pump the breaks, big haws. We 2716 02:11:34.119 --> 02:11:37.439 gotta talk about what the fuck you just said? What dude? 2717 02:11:37.479 --> 02:11:39.760 As soon as soon as I heard like, trust the plan, 2718 02:11:39.960 --> 02:11:43.680 watch the show, I was like, fuck you. 2719 02:11:43.439 --> 02:11:46.439 Real rhetoric, like to me bro right away, you know. 2720 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:49.359 But you know, anyway, it woke up because, you know, 2721 02:11:49.399 --> 02:11:50.960 because some of the people that woke up through that, 2722 02:11:51.079 --> 02:11:53.319 you know, were kind of normy. So woke some people up. 2723 02:11:53.399 --> 02:11:55.159 And then after they figured out he was a psio, 2724 02:11:55.640 --> 02:11:57.720 they found you know, and COVID happened, so they started 2725 02:11:57.720 --> 02:12:00.000 getting the medical thing. So they woke some people up. 2726 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:02.840 I hear that now. 2727 02:12:04.399 --> 02:12:06.399 We had at one point in time, getting back to 2728 02:12:06.439 --> 02:12:09.479 the conversation, At one point in time had a former 2729 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:12.680 Satanic high wizard on the show, right, and he's been 2730 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:15.680 making his rounds on multiple podcasts, and he talks about 2731 02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:18.439 a lot of the types of work that he would do. Right, 2732 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:22.239 They had very high end clientele that would hire them 2733 02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:28.079 to perform these sacrifices and incantations to further their political means, 2734 02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:31.119 their wealth, whatever the case was. Now, he made some 2735 02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:34.800 very very bold claims, and he said himself that he 2736 02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:39.640 personally performed over four hundred ritual abortions as the sacrifice 2737 02:12:39.680 --> 02:12:42.159 to make these things happen, according to him, And I 2738 02:12:42.199 --> 02:12:44.560 want to get both the all's take on this according 2739 02:12:44.600 --> 02:12:47.439 to him, which for the record, he's gotten a lot 2740 02:12:47.439 --> 02:12:49.119 of shit in the comments about this. 2741 02:12:49.159 --> 02:12:50.600 A lot of people are saying he's full of shit. 2742 02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:52.399 A lot of people are saying that he is absolutely 2743 02:12:52.399 --> 02:12:53.479 truthful start to finish. 2744 02:12:53.800 --> 02:12:54.159 Don't know. 2745 02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:56.920 He is saying that a lot of these not just 2746 02:12:57.119 --> 02:12:59.760 satanic as in the Levey type, because I don't consider 2747 02:12:59.760 --> 02:13:01.119 that thru Satanism. 2748 02:13:00.680 --> 02:13:04.479 Like we said earlier, that's the eightheist Satanist. It's basically 2749 02:13:04.520 --> 02:13:07.039 just like edgy gnostics. They're just trying to go against 2750 02:13:07.079 --> 02:13:09.119 the grain to like ooh, look how edgy I am. 2751 02:13:09.159 --> 02:13:10.159 But anyway, it's not the point. 2752 02:13:10.319 --> 02:13:11.880 I look at it like it's for little kids. It's 2753 02:13:11.880 --> 02:13:14.079 like a stepping stone, It's like training wheels for little kids, 2754 02:13:14.079 --> 02:13:14.279 you know. 2755 02:13:14.439 --> 02:13:14.680 Fair. 2756 02:13:14.800 --> 02:13:17.199 Fair, So he is saying that in true temples that 2757 02:13:17.239 --> 02:13:20.760 are practicing left hand path dark Satanic arts, they have 2758 02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:25.720 women that will be ritualistically bred of their will. I 2759 02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:28.159 should add, they want this to happen so that they 2760 02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:31.640 can become pregnant, so that this baby at the time 2761 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:36.520 of birth can be ritualistically sacrificed while they're still halfway 2762 02:13:36.560 --> 02:13:39.560 in the birth canal. He said that he himself performed 2763 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:42.640 over four hundred of these for the high end clients 2764 02:13:42.680 --> 02:13:44.800 of the wealthiest of the wealthy one percent elite. 2765 02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:50.079 On this he's lying, he's lying. Break this down for me. 2766 02:13:51.159 --> 02:13:54.239 What break this down? Why is he lying? 2767 02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:57.359 I'm saying, I simply don't be leave him, and I 2768 02:13:57.399 --> 02:14:00.439 don't believe. I mean, there's a lot of a lot 2769 02:14:00.439 --> 02:14:03.920 of former Satanists that you know, claim to have this 2770 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:07.880 amazing redemption story, will come on these podcasts and tell 2771 02:14:07.880 --> 02:14:10.439 all these stories about all they were a member of 2772 02:14:10.479 --> 02:14:13.000 the Order of Nine Angles and they used to sacrifice 2773 02:14:13.079 --> 02:14:17.039 people that they would abduct. No, they'd be in prison. 2774 02:14:17.159 --> 02:14:17.920 They're full of shit. 2775 02:14:18.520 --> 02:14:20.079 Now there are a lot of members of the Order 2776 02:14:20.119 --> 02:14:21.960 of Nine Angles that are in prison as a matter 2777 02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:23.239 of fact for doing these things. 2778 02:14:23.600 --> 02:14:27.520 Well, then okay, then they must have really done something, 2779 02:14:27.640 --> 02:14:30.319 you know, So this guy is full of shit. 2780 02:14:30.439 --> 02:14:33.359 I said, if you take Satan out of the equation, 2781 02:14:33.560 --> 02:14:37.039 you just look at John of God down in South America, 2782 02:14:37.079 --> 02:14:39.880 that Oprah Winfrey was supporting and the Clintons and everything. 2783 02:14:39.920 --> 02:14:41.960 You know, he had his own like little breeding thing going. 2784 02:14:41.960 --> 02:14:45.239 And I'm sure he was practicing human sacrifice as well, 2785 02:14:45.239 --> 02:14:47.239 because when you have a criminal element, here's the thing 2786 02:14:49.600 --> 02:14:52.960 would you charge for, like a blood sacrifice? JS. 2787 02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:58.279 I think my cheapest rituals like eight ninety nine that 2788 02:14:58.399 --> 02:15:01.119 includes the sacrifice. I've got more expensive ones. 2789 02:15:02.680 --> 02:15:05.359 So you know, there there are people in like Africa 2790 02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:07.880 and Latin America that are living off a buck or 2791 02:15:07.880 --> 02:15:12.880 two a day, and they understand animal sacrifice, blood sacrifice, 2792 02:15:12.920 --> 02:15:16.560 the lowa pretty well. Now what's going to happen. Let's 2793 02:15:16.600 --> 02:15:19.640 say if you're like a European aristocrat and you want 2794 02:15:19.760 --> 02:15:24.119 a blood sacrifice to happen, you know, like what would 2795 02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:27.000 that be worth to someone in the third world like 2796 02:15:27.119 --> 02:15:30.359 in uh you know, and and there's no doubt that 2797 02:15:30.399 --> 02:15:33.159 there's a criminal element all throughout alf and you know 2798 02:15:33.159 --> 02:15:34.720 it's the same in the West too, but it's mostly 2799 02:15:34.760 --> 02:15:38.079 like in Africa and Latin America that you practice this. 2800 02:15:38.159 --> 02:15:39.680 You know, there are people that will like straight up 2801 02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:43.479 kidnap someone sacrifice them just to use one of his 2802 02:15:43.720 --> 02:15:44.800 organs in a spell. 2803 02:15:45.239 --> 02:15:47.319 Look at what happened with Epstein Island in the temple 2804 02:15:47.399 --> 02:15:50.760 there that wasn't for su I don't believe personally anyway. 2805 02:15:50.760 --> 02:15:54.199 So you know, so let's say you're a European aristocrat. 2806 02:15:54.239 --> 02:15:56.640 What do you think that would cost in the Third 2807 02:15:56.680 --> 02:15:59.000 World to have someone do a human sacrifice? 2808 02:15:59.479 --> 02:16:02.039 Not as much as it was in America. 2809 02:16:01.359 --> 02:16:03.920 Yeah, totally. You know, you're talking about parts of the 2810 02:16:03.960 --> 02:16:05.600 world where twenty dollars bill can get. 2811 02:16:05.520 --> 02:16:07.760 Your throat slit for sure, you know, for sure. 2812 02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:10.279 Now with that being said, we're talking about how you 2813 02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:14.079 sacrifice chickens, right, And I'm sure a goat has made 2814 02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:16.159 its way to the altar at one point in time 2815 02:16:16.479 --> 02:16:17.079 or something. 2816 02:16:17.920 --> 02:16:21.880 Actually that's on the Yeah, that's on the list. 2817 02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:24.640 Man, like so much. Maybe it's so hard to do 2818 02:16:24.680 --> 02:16:26.560 it to a good if I brought home. 2819 02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:29.880 A small goat fall in love with it that quick and. 2820 02:16:29.880 --> 02:16:33.360 Oh, I know, I know, dude, fair enough, fair enough. 2821 02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:36.760 Imagine seeing like a baby goat playing with the French 2822 02:16:36.799 --> 02:16:38.799 that you guys have. Yeah, you know, I mean, that'd 2823 02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:40.000 be like the cutest thing on the planet. 2824 02:16:40.000 --> 02:16:41.520 Probably it would end up being a pet. 2825 02:16:42.040 --> 02:16:44.719 But this being said, right, so, the more blood and 2826 02:16:44.760 --> 02:16:49.559 the more important, the sacrifice, the heavier and more important 2827 02:16:49.920 --> 02:16:52.440 that the ritual would be, and the better the result, 2828 02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:56.600 one could say, would not a human, especially a pure 2829 02:16:56.680 --> 02:16:59.719 human baby? Would that not be like the best sacrifice 2830 02:16:59.760 --> 02:17:02.360 that you you could ever like get your hands on. 2831 02:17:03.040 --> 02:17:05.680 Okay, I'm not saying that the elites don't do things 2832 02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:10.280 like this. I'm saying that the Satan or Lucifer or Belisle, 2833 02:17:10.559 --> 02:17:14.639 they are not accepting baby human sacrifices. All right. That 2834 02:17:14.879 --> 02:17:19.600 is a practice that is practiced by the people, the 2835 02:17:19.639 --> 02:17:22.360 same people that are shoving religion down our throats. 2836 02:17:22.879 --> 02:17:24.920 Correct me if I'm wrong, though, Bail and Belile and 2837 02:17:24.959 --> 02:17:28.520 all of them, they had altars for child sacrifice in Canaan, 2838 02:17:28.840 --> 02:17:31.040 and they had found the pyres for them to No, 2839 02:17:31.159 --> 02:17:33.200 that's not I suppose that's an understood thing, the same 2840 02:17:33.200 --> 02:17:35.920 way that the Aztecs did child sacrifice to the rain god. 2841 02:17:36.760 --> 02:17:40.040 Oh were they sacrificing children? Were they cutting adults hearts out? 2842 02:17:40.639 --> 02:17:42.639 No? No? They did adult hearts, yes, but to the 2843 02:17:42.719 --> 02:17:43.239 rain gods. 2844 02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:45.760 Specifically, they would throw a baby into an oven, and 2845 02:17:45.799 --> 02:17:48.680 the louder that the baby would scream, the more pleasing 2846 02:17:48.719 --> 02:17:49.799 it was to the rain God. 2847 02:17:49.840 --> 02:17:51.520 This is the same thing that was happening to Mullick. 2848 02:17:51.600 --> 02:17:52.879 This is the same thing that was happening for a 2849 02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:54.600 bail and Belile and all these things. 2850 02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:56.200 This is understood historical facts. 2851 02:17:57.520 --> 02:17:59.520 One of the big hiccups that I could see with 2852 02:18:00.120 --> 02:18:03.639 doing a sacrifice like that would be a karma blowback, 2853 02:18:04.239 --> 02:18:08.719 you know, like there's gonna be some resistance to like 2854 02:18:08.959 --> 02:18:10.959 doing a human sacrifice, I imagine. 2855 02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:12.959 So we believe in karma as well. 2856 02:18:16.159 --> 02:18:18.840 I believe in a form of karma, but there's still 2857 02:18:18.879 --> 02:18:24.280 gonna be a spiritual resistance to doing I would imagine, 2858 02:18:24.520 --> 02:18:26.520 especially if you're sacrificing something against. 2859 02:18:26.280 --> 02:18:30.639 Their will, you know, Like I am assuming the chicken 2860 02:18:30.680 --> 02:18:33.719 doesn't want to die. I mean, I don't know, but 2861 02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:34.399 I would. 2862 02:18:34.159 --> 02:18:36.319 Assume that the chicken is not like super soaked about 2863 02:18:36.399 --> 02:18:37.719 dying today. 2864 02:18:37.799 --> 02:18:41.600 Yeah. Yeah, but it's still a chicken, you know. 2865 02:18:41.760 --> 02:18:44.840 Like like I'm not saying that animals have souls. I 2866 02:18:44.840 --> 02:18:47.000 don't personally believe that, but a lot of people do. 2867 02:18:47.079 --> 02:18:50.319 I don't know, you know, but but I would. 2868 02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:54.239 I would imagine when it comes to human sacrifice, there's 2869 02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:56.760 gonna be some resistance to it. So you would have 2870 02:18:56.840 --> 02:19:01.360 to have some type of practice to negate that resistance. 2871 02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:04.360 You know, because to me, it makes sense that there's 2872 02:19:04.440 --> 02:19:07.319 gonna be like a spiritual resistance to harming a child 2873 02:19:07.440 --> 02:19:10.959 like that, some type of karmic blowback, and you're gonna have. 2874 02:19:10.879 --> 02:19:11.479 To uh. 2875 02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:16.120 Have a have some type of mechanism in place to 2876 02:19:16.840 --> 02:19:19.200 negate that, you know, or to minimize it. 2877 02:19:19.360 --> 02:19:22.239 My personal experiences, these demons, at least the ones that 2878 02:19:22.280 --> 02:19:26.200 I work with, protect children. And I'm not saying they 2879 02:19:26.200 --> 02:19:28.520 wouldn't accept the human sacrifice. I'm saying they would not 2880 02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:31.920 accept an innocent child as a sacrifice. I think if 2881 02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:33.879 you tried to do something like that in the circle 2882 02:19:33.920 --> 02:19:36.760 with bill Ale, you'd probably ended dead shortly afterwards. 2883 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:39.399 So at what time did they stop accepting them? 2884 02:19:40.559 --> 02:19:44.319 Well, the greatest sacrifice that you can offer, say, being 2885 02:19:44.360 --> 02:19:47.040 like Shimiyaza, would be a full grown pedophile. 2886 02:19:48.920 --> 02:19:51.760 Okay, all right, they're not gonna want a child. 2887 02:19:52.280 --> 02:19:55.399 And personally, they've never asked me to harm anyone. It's 2888 02:19:55.479 --> 02:19:59.159 usually me asking them to harm pedophiles. For me, like 2889 02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:02.120 somebody's in I can't get my hands on him, that's 2890 02:20:02.159 --> 02:20:04.520 when I would utilize like a death curse or something 2891 02:20:04.559 --> 02:20:04.879 like that. 2892 02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:08.559 Explain that to me, though, I'm not trying to take 2893 02:20:08.600 --> 02:20:11.239 the side of these disgusting pedophilic people. I think they 2894 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:14.159 should all be tortuously murdered. I'm with you one hundred 2895 02:20:14.159 --> 02:20:16.879 percent here, But we are talking about the left hand path. 2896 02:20:16.920 --> 02:20:19.319 We are talking about entities that operate in the realm 2897 02:20:19.360 --> 02:20:19.879 of evil. 2898 02:20:20.159 --> 02:20:23.040 By a moral standpoint. If this is a pH scale. 2899 02:20:22.879 --> 02:20:25.280 Right, and like, the neutrality would be like a person 2900 02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:27.719 who's never done a baby would be the neutral zone. 2901 02:20:27.760 --> 02:20:28.440 They've never done anything. 2902 02:20:29.079 --> 02:20:31.719 I personally, I personally don't feel like I'm operating in 2903 02:20:31.719 --> 02:20:34.520 the realm of evil. I think I think evil people 2904 02:20:34.600 --> 02:20:37.239 do evil things and find excuses to do it. They 2905 02:20:37.399 --> 02:20:39.440 do it in the name of religion, you know, they 2906 02:20:39.440 --> 02:20:42.360 do it in the name of you know, they can 2907 02:20:42.360 --> 02:20:44.840 do it in the name of anything. It's like, you know, 2908 02:20:44.879 --> 02:20:49.360 you like that satanic cannibal guy, I forget his fucking name. Yeah, 2909 02:20:49.399 --> 02:20:51.520 And the FBI was like, no, he's he's not. He 2910 02:20:51.559 --> 02:20:54.120 doesn't eat people because he's a Satanist. He's a Satanist 2911 02:20:54.120 --> 02:20:56.920 because he eats people, you know, like like he worships 2912 02:20:56.920 --> 02:20:59.159 the devil, because he has a compulsion to eat people. 2913 02:20:59.360 --> 02:21:01.840 And that's what if blames it all and I'll give 2914 02:21:02.760 --> 02:21:03.280 to do it. 2915 02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:06.360 So there's all kinds of people that have done evil 2916 02:21:06.360 --> 02:21:08.479 in the name of God before, and I'm with you 2917 02:21:08.520 --> 02:21:10.559 on that. But at the same time, we can at 2918 02:21:10.639 --> 02:21:12.520 least acknowledge that there is a side of light and 2919 02:21:12.559 --> 02:21:14.639 a side of dark. Right, there's a side of good, 2920 02:21:14.639 --> 02:21:16.479 there's a side of evil. Yes, I understand that we're 2921 02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:19.079 putting human terms to these sides, But like I was 2922 02:21:19.079 --> 02:21:20.959 saying on the pH scale, there's a side of the 2923 02:21:21.000 --> 02:21:23.600 base and there's a side of the acid, and both 2924 02:21:23.639 --> 02:21:26.319 could be used for good and bad purposes. I am 2925 02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:28.600 not saying that, like you could get chemically burned by 2926 02:21:28.600 --> 02:21:30.719 a base just as much as you get chemically burned 2927 02:21:30.760 --> 02:21:32.959 by an acid. So I'm with you on this front. 2928 02:21:33.399 --> 02:21:35.239 But of these two sides, there is like a one 2929 02:21:35.319 --> 02:21:37.600 and a zero. There's a binary to it. So if 2930 02:21:37.600 --> 02:21:39.520 we are going to be operating on the side of 2931 02:21:39.559 --> 02:21:41.639 the dark, on the side of the what we might 2932 02:21:41.639 --> 02:21:45.159 call evil, wouldn't a pedophile also be operating in that side? 2933 02:21:45.360 --> 02:21:48.440 Why would demons be happy about accepting a sacrifice as 2934 02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:49.959 somebody who's already on their side. 2935 02:21:50.079 --> 02:21:52.120 Well, that's that's what I'm saying. I'm saying demons don't 2936 02:21:52.120 --> 02:21:55.639 support pedophiles. They hate them. Just as much as I do. 2937 02:21:56.399 --> 02:21:59.520 Yeah, most most black magicians. Because we were just talking 2938 02:21:59.559 --> 02:22:02.000 about like ritual abusing human sacrifices. What I do want 2939 02:22:02.000 --> 02:22:05.079 to make it clear, like most most black magicians kill 2940 02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:08.280 pedophiles for fun. They're like target practice. You see what 2941 02:22:08.360 --> 02:22:11.040 I'm saying. But the last thing, the last thing a 2942 02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:15.280 child predator would ever want would be going have someone 2943 02:22:15.360 --> 02:22:19.040 drop his rap sheet in like a black magic forum, 2944 02:22:20.799 --> 02:22:24.040 because he's screwed. He's screwed. Man, He's gonna suffer and 2945 02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:27.959 he's gonna die just like he should. 2946 02:22:28.079 --> 02:22:30.040 Like, we have nothing to do with people like that. 2947 02:22:30.120 --> 02:22:32.520 Yeah, and here's here's a here's a really important thing 2948 02:22:32.559 --> 02:22:35.040 about doing it too, because you know, if you want 2949 02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:37.360 to get better at like fighting and self defense, you 2950 02:22:37.399 --> 02:22:39.719 can always like join the boxing gym, wrestle, maybe even 2951 02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:42.280 just wrestle with your brother. Even just playing in a 2952 02:22:42.319 --> 02:22:45.600 softball league in the summer is better than nothing, you know, 2953 02:22:45.639 --> 02:22:48.159 when it comes to physicality, learning how to shoot a gun, 2954 02:22:48.239 --> 02:22:50.879 going out to the rings, getting proficient in it, you know, 2955 02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:54.760 But when it comes to black like baneful magic, there's 2956 02:22:54.799 --> 02:22:58.000 no safe way to really practice it. So you're gonna 2957 02:22:58.000 --> 02:23:01.040 have to do it with the intent to to ruin 2958 02:23:01.079 --> 02:23:05.000 someone's life or to take them out completely. And pedophiles 2959 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:08.840 are just perfect for that, you know, because for one 2960 02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:11.159 and this is like one of the things that like 2961 02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:13.840 some of the quote unquote Neil shit lives will say, 2962 02:23:13.879 --> 02:23:17.360 you know that they can't help it. I agree with that. 2963 02:23:17.360 --> 02:23:19.079 That's why you can't have them around. 2964 02:23:19.399 --> 02:23:21.040 You have to take them to die. 2965 02:23:21.319 --> 02:23:25.520 Yeah, I agree, they can't honestly help it. Their wires 2966 02:23:25.520 --> 02:23:29.159 are all crisscrossed, They're a little messed up, and you know, 2967 02:23:29.319 --> 02:23:31.920 the longer they're on the street, the more risk there 2968 02:23:32.000 --> 02:23:34.120 is for them destroying the other kids' lives. 2969 02:23:34.319 --> 02:23:37.639 If I just to clarify something real quick, the way 2970 02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:40.600 that I feel like there's a there's a difference of 2971 02:23:40.719 --> 02:23:44.559 perception of demons and angels and God and stuff like 2972 02:23:44.639 --> 02:23:47.719 that amongst the different sides of what we're talking about. 2973 02:23:47.799 --> 02:23:50.959 So Jacob, you look at you know, God, Jesus, there's 2974 02:23:51.159 --> 02:23:53.440 that's the light. You look at demons, the devil, that's 2975 02:23:53.479 --> 02:23:53.879 the dark. 2976 02:23:54.000 --> 02:23:54.159 Right. 2977 02:23:54.520 --> 02:23:56.360 And I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, 2978 02:23:56.479 --> 02:23:59.479 JS and and Lord Byron, but I feel like almost 2979 02:23:59.559 --> 02:24:04.799 that the demons and the quote unquote dark side are 2980 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:08.760 not necessarily good or bad, right, it's almost just like 2981 02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:11.760 I mean, is electricity bad? 2982 02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:12.719 You know what I mean? 2983 02:24:12.760 --> 02:24:14.879 Like is Wi Fi bad? Is it just like a 2984 02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:17.399 power source and energy source of sorts? Is that the 2985 02:24:17.399 --> 02:24:18.440 way you kind of look at it. 2986 02:24:18.840 --> 02:24:22.200 There is no black and white good and evil scale, 2987 02:24:22.280 --> 02:24:25.600 Like there's no line you can draw angels and demons 2988 02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:27.760 and whatever else you want to throw, you know, the 2989 02:24:27.879 --> 02:24:31.319 in the mix there. They have personalities like people like 2990 02:24:31.399 --> 02:24:34.000 some might be considered to be evil or to do 2991 02:24:34.159 --> 02:24:39.360 evil things. Other demons heal people. I mean, is that evil? 2992 02:24:39.479 --> 02:24:41.639 Is it evil to just because it's a demon? There's 2993 02:24:41.639 --> 02:24:45.680 no angel good, demon bad? You know? And most of 2994 02:24:45.719 --> 02:24:49.520 the pedophiles out there operate on the side of good, 2995 02:24:49.719 --> 02:24:53.040 on the side of religion. If you were if you're 2996 02:24:53.079 --> 02:24:55.719 really a sick, twisted weirdo, would you would you come 2997 02:24:55.719 --> 02:24:57.959 across as like a scary black magician or would you 2998 02:24:57.959 --> 02:25:01.399 go be a Catholic priest. Yeah, they want the real 2999 02:25:01.559 --> 02:25:05.200 sick weirdos. They want motherfuckers to trust them, trust them 3000 02:25:05.239 --> 02:25:08.680 around children. They want access to children. They would never 3001 02:25:09.200 --> 02:25:13.280 masquerade as an evil dark sorcerer if if that's what 3002 02:25:13.399 --> 02:25:16.959 they were into. And like Byron said, if you want 3003 02:25:16.959 --> 02:25:19.440 to kill a pedophile, quick drop his rap sheet in 3004 02:25:19.440 --> 02:25:22.120 the black magic for him. We do that shit for fun. 3005 02:25:22.200 --> 02:25:25.159 That's target practice. That's how we get good at it, 3006 02:25:25.239 --> 02:25:27.600 because most of us that are good at it, we 3007 02:25:27.719 --> 02:25:30.159 ran out of enemies a long fucking time ago. Now 3008 02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:33.159 we're looking for people to target practice at. Where else 3009 02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:37.120 are we gonna look better than the sex men registry? 3010 02:25:37.120 --> 02:25:38.520 And when it comes to the whole like good and 3011 02:25:38.600 --> 02:25:41.360 evil thing and all that, I look at everything as 3012 02:25:41.440 --> 02:25:43.879 just a part of creation, you know, Like I don't 3013 02:25:43.879 --> 02:25:46.520 think these like like like, let's just say, if you're 3014 02:25:46.559 --> 02:25:50.280 to take like all of the stories from the Bible 3015 02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:52.239 of angels and demons at war with each other and 3016 02:25:52.280 --> 02:25:57.360 all of that literal, I think they're created for a 3017 02:25:57.399 --> 02:26:02.200 purpose and and that's the parameter that they're operating in, 3018 02:26:03.200 --> 02:26:05.000 you know. Okay, So I look at every you know, 3019 02:26:05.159 --> 02:26:07.159 so it's like one of those things like our coyotes evil, 3020 02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:09.319 you know, our alligators evil? 3021 02:26:09.680 --> 02:26:09.920 You know. 3022 02:26:10.280 --> 02:26:12.920 Yeah, I love alligators, man, I want one. 3023 02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:16.879 I wanted to throw off this quote too, because I 3024 02:26:16.879 --> 02:26:19.799 don't know if it necessarily is black and white and 3025 02:26:19.840 --> 02:26:22.559 good and evil and stuff like that, and what really, 3026 02:26:22.680 --> 02:26:24.920 you know, caught my attention as far as that goes 3027 02:26:25.000 --> 02:26:29.040 like I always like to mention Isaiah chapter forty five, 3028 02:26:29.159 --> 02:26:33.040 verse seven, And it is and this is Jesus speaking. 3029 02:26:33.079 --> 02:26:35.360 If I'm not mistaken, it's either Jesus or God. Same thing. 3030 02:26:35.399 --> 02:26:37.399 It couldn't be if it's in the book of Isaiah. 3031 02:26:37.440 --> 02:26:41.760 But continue, So God, then it says, I form the 3032 02:26:41.840 --> 02:26:45.680 light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. 3033 02:26:45.840 --> 02:26:48.840 I the Lord do all these things. So is that 3034 02:26:48.959 --> 02:26:52.280 all light and all good if you're creating darkness and evil? 3035 02:26:53.239 --> 02:26:55.159 Yeah, you mean he creates the day and the night. 3036 02:26:55.600 --> 02:26:57.520 I think we just have like an inferior array of 3037 02:26:57.600 --> 02:27:00.399 understanding and peace and evil state. But every thing is 3038 02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:04.319 a form of Everything's part of creation, every everything, it's 3039 02:27:04.360 --> 02:27:05.680 it's an ecosystem, right. 3040 02:27:05.719 --> 02:27:07.879 And that's been a question too, Like if demons are there, 3041 02:27:07.920 --> 02:27:11.360 then God created them, right, yes to that point, correct? 3042 02:27:11.559 --> 02:27:14.760 Yeah, right, I mean you are something or something He 3043 02:27:14.799 --> 02:27:16.680 created created them, you know. 3044 02:27:16.959 --> 02:27:19.600 I mean you're saying, you're talking about light and darkness. 3045 02:27:19.680 --> 02:27:22.639 I wouldn't call peace and evil light in darkness. 3046 02:27:23.040 --> 02:27:23.840 Okay, that's fair. 3047 02:27:23.959 --> 02:27:26.280 But yeah, so he did create the good guys and 3048 02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:28.440 the bad guys if he is the creator of everything. 3049 02:27:28.239 --> 02:27:30.479 Right, Yeah, But it's like, are there are they even 3050 02:27:30.520 --> 02:27:34.440 really like again, bad guys, you know, because uh, I mean, 3051 02:27:34.719 --> 02:27:37.319 just just read the attributes of all the demons in 3052 02:27:37.360 --> 02:27:41.440 the Goatian. Almost all of them teach like astrology and 3053 02:27:41.559 --> 02:27:45.600 birds and Liverpool sciences and how to heal and the 3054 02:27:45.639 --> 02:27:49.879 secrets of the heavens, the secrets of the earth. Like 3055 02:27:50.040 --> 02:27:53.079 there's a few out in there that are you know, 3056 02:27:53.239 --> 02:27:55.879 some there's some killers in there, but for the most part, 3057 02:27:56.079 --> 02:27:59.239 they all teach beneficial things. 3058 02:27:59.840 --> 02:28:03.079 But we also agree that most of existence operates on 3059 02:28:03.159 --> 02:28:04.760 a binary scale. 3060 02:28:06.440 --> 02:28:10.360 Oh like pressure mediation, no as in I mean one 3061 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:12.559 that's basically. 3062 02:28:12.840 --> 02:28:17.559 Light and dark, hot and cold of male, female electrons 3063 02:28:17.559 --> 02:28:20.280 and negative electrons, like we can you know, everything works 3064 02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:22.840 on a one or the other type of system. As 3065 02:28:22.879 --> 02:28:25.719 far as our entire existence goes, there's very few areas 3066 02:28:25.719 --> 02:28:26.399 of great A. 3067 02:28:26.399 --> 02:28:28.879 Lot of that is perception based, you know, A lot 3068 02:28:28.920 --> 02:28:31.639 of that is perception based, though, wouldn't you say, oh so. 3069 02:28:31.559 --> 02:28:33.799 A magnet the north pole of it, in the south 3070 02:28:33.799 --> 02:28:35.639 pole of it. That's just a perception thing. We talk 3071 02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:36.479 about it all the time. 3072 02:28:36.559 --> 02:28:39.079 The Trojans that were going and raping and pillaging, that 3073 02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:41.360 was seen as a good and pious thing. And nowadays 3074 02:28:41.399 --> 02:28:43.159 it would be very frowned upon. So that's what I'm 3075 02:28:43.159 --> 02:28:45.360 talking about as far as the perspective and times go. 3076 02:28:45.559 --> 02:28:48.239 I mean, it's all about to the individual, you know, 3077 02:28:48.479 --> 02:28:51.639 Like if my I don't know, my dream girl, uh 3078 02:28:52.200 --> 02:28:54.520 cheats on her husband to come sleep with me, that's 3079 02:28:54.520 --> 02:28:57.280 a really fucking good thing for me, pretty bad for him. 3080 02:28:57.799 --> 02:28:59.680 That's also a bad thing because if she's willing to 3081 02:28:59.719 --> 02:29:01.600 chew and her husband to be with you, that should 3082 02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:03.040 tell you a lot about our moral character. 3083 02:29:03.079 --> 02:29:05.280 And that's an inherent bad, is it. 3084 02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:07.360 Do we look at it exactly that way? 3085 02:29:07.840 --> 02:29:09.959 We really should, And if you don't, then that's a 3086 02:29:09.959 --> 02:29:11.799 moral thing for you to figure out, big dog. 3087 02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:13.680 You know. 3088 02:29:13.799 --> 02:29:16.040 And I'm not saying that the north pole of the 3089 02:29:16.079 --> 02:29:17.879 magnet is the good in the south is the evil 3090 02:29:17.959 --> 02:29:18.319 or whatever. 3091 02:29:18.479 --> 02:29:21.000 That's the perspective based operation of it. Right. 3092 02:29:21.040 --> 02:29:22.879 If you want to say this one is good versus 3093 02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:25.399 this one is bad or vice versa, we can at 3094 02:29:25.440 --> 02:29:27.639 least acknowledge that the magnet's got two sides. 3095 02:29:28.040 --> 02:29:32.040 Yeah, so that on one side it's not the ones 3096 02:29:32.159 --> 02:29:34.680 bad are good. Though the north pole side of the 3097 02:29:34.719 --> 02:29:38.479 magnet is is healthier to be around. I would like 3098 02:29:38.520 --> 02:29:41.239 to point that out, you know, and you can you 3099 02:29:41.280 --> 02:29:43.719 can bury the north pole side of a magnet just 3100 02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:47.559 a few inches down from a germinated seed, and that 3101 02:29:47.639 --> 02:29:50.040 plan is going to grow twice as big, twice as fast. 3102 02:29:50.079 --> 02:29:54.520 The sea will germinate faster. Uh So, so there the thing. 3103 02:29:54.600 --> 02:29:57.840 But going back to the whole acid and bas it's metaphors. 3104 02:29:57.879 --> 02:29:59.840 That's how I like to look at it. But you know, 3105 02:30:00.319 --> 02:30:03.319 think about what it takes to have like optimal PhD. 3106 02:30:03.479 --> 02:30:05.520 You know, like if your pH drops a little bit, 3107 02:30:05.680 --> 02:30:08.479 it's gonna be good to bring it up. If your 3108 02:30:08.520 --> 02:30:10.920 pH spikes a little bit, you might want to bring 3109 02:30:10.920 --> 02:30:13.399 it back down to like seven or eight. You see 3110 02:30:13.440 --> 02:30:13.920 what I'm saying. 3111 02:30:14.200 --> 02:30:16.719 But my point is there's not a third option. There 3112 02:30:16.760 --> 02:30:18.239 is the acid or the base. 3113 02:30:18.920 --> 02:30:22.399 Yeah well yeah, but yeah, And that's a point though, 3114 02:30:22.440 --> 02:30:24.200 you know, because if you want to say neutral is 3115 02:30:24.239 --> 02:30:26.719 the third option, then fine, that's that's a conversation. 3116 02:30:27.200 --> 02:30:27.719 But not I. 3117 02:30:27.719 --> 02:30:30.399 Wouldn't uh yeah, but so that you know, the main 3118 02:30:30.440 --> 02:30:33.959 mechanism in this realm is uh pressure mediation. Everything's trying 3119 02:30:33.959 --> 02:30:35.959 to seek equilibrium. They just can't. 3120 02:30:36.239 --> 02:30:39.319 Okay, perfect example, either things are pressurized or they're in 3121 02:30:39.319 --> 02:30:40.000 a vacuum. 3122 02:30:40.120 --> 02:30:41.120 Nothing is neutral. 3123 02:30:41.399 --> 02:30:44.600 Yeah, and yeah, that's what that's what I would say. 3124 02:30:44.680 --> 02:30:48.879 Yeah, maybe I personally feel like good and evil is 3125 02:30:48.920 --> 02:30:53.200 a matter of opinion and perception, and each of us 3126 02:30:53.280 --> 02:30:56.799 has a different opinion and perception about what is good 3127 02:30:56.879 --> 02:30:59.840 or evil. It varies from person to person. So what 3128 02:30:59.879 --> 02:31:03.040 I I think is is right and just you may 3129 02:31:03.200 --> 02:31:06.799 very well think that it's an evil thing. And that's 3130 02:31:06.879 --> 02:31:09.719 that's opinion and perception. There is no there is no 3131 02:31:09.879 --> 02:31:13.239 scale or chart that classifies this is good and this 3132 02:31:13.399 --> 02:31:15.360 is bad, this is good and this is evil. Like 3133 02:31:15.399 --> 02:31:18.239 religion really tries to do that, but you really can't 3134 02:31:18.239 --> 02:31:19.799 do that. And then you got to look at the why, 3135 02:31:20.159 --> 02:31:22.840 why was an evil deed done? You know, like like 3136 02:31:23.120 --> 02:31:25.360 you know someone you know raped your mother and you 3137 02:31:25.399 --> 02:31:27.200 go shoot them in the face. Well, that you know 3138 02:31:27.360 --> 02:31:30.479 is killing someone. That's that's supposed to be an evil act, right, 3139 02:31:30.639 --> 02:31:32.799 But if you had a good reason for doing it, 3140 02:31:32.840 --> 02:31:35.000 then somebody might say you were doing what you should 3141 02:31:35.040 --> 02:31:37.159 have done and that was a good thing. It's opinion 3142 02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:37.879 and perception. 3143 02:31:38.520 --> 02:31:41.440 Killing versus murdering, I think, are two different conversations. 3144 02:31:41.440 --> 02:31:44.799 Also, though, yeah, I believe that cold blood and murder 3145 02:31:45.040 --> 02:31:46.120 inherently is bad. 3146 02:31:46.559 --> 02:31:50.639 Killing somebody, Like, I could think of a few reasons 3147 02:31:50.680 --> 02:31:53.200 why killing is necessary, but cold blood and murder, I 3148 02:31:53.239 --> 02:31:55.040 think are Like there's levels to that as well. 3149 02:31:55.559 --> 02:31:58.399 Yeah, but then again, it also comes down to the 3150 02:31:58.440 --> 02:32:00.600 opinion and the perception of the person and who's looking 3151 02:32:00.639 --> 02:32:03.360 at the situation as well as the person who's committing 3152 02:32:03.399 --> 02:32:07.040 the crime. You know, what I think is cold budded murder. 3153 02:32:07.559 --> 02:32:10.239 You know, whoever's doing it, they might think that they're 3154 02:32:10.280 --> 02:32:12.440 totally right and have a good reason to do that. 3155 02:32:12.879 --> 02:32:16.840 It doesn't mean that they're correct, all right, But I'm saying, like, 3156 02:32:16.879 --> 02:32:20.159 we could never sit here and come to an agreement 3157 02:32:20.360 --> 02:32:23.079 on you know, black and white, like what good and 3158 02:32:23.159 --> 02:32:25.159 evil is right? 3159 02:32:25.239 --> 02:32:28.399 And just because I agree if like, if you say 3160 02:32:28.399 --> 02:32:30.600 that something is good and I agree that that thing 3161 02:32:30.680 --> 02:32:33.239 is good, doesn't necessarily mean that it's good all the 3162 02:32:33.280 --> 02:32:36.959 way up through the the all the different dimensions, and 3163 02:32:37.040 --> 02:32:38.760 all the way up through heaven and down through hell. 3164 02:32:38.920 --> 02:32:40.959 Like that's just something that we would agree upon. 3165 02:32:40.760 --> 02:32:43.200 It, right, most most lip tards would sit there and 3166 02:32:43.319 --> 02:32:46.799 argue with you, you know, about what good and bad is, 3167 02:32:46.799 --> 02:32:50.200 what right and wrong is. I'm definitely not one of those. 3168 02:32:50.559 --> 02:32:54.079 I'm a gun total and he'll Billy will shoot your 3169 02:32:54.120 --> 02:32:54.680 ass if he. 3170 02:32:54.680 --> 02:32:56.200 Needs to know. 3171 02:32:57.200 --> 02:32:59.120 I do disagree with you on that point, though, I 3172 02:32:59.159 --> 02:33:02.479 think that there is objective morality. I don't think that 3173 02:33:02.639 --> 02:33:05.879 everything is subjective and up to the interpretation of the 3174 02:33:06.360 --> 02:33:08.879 of the person itself. I think that there is absolutely 3175 02:33:08.959 --> 02:33:12.280 inherent good and inherent bad, and yes, there are situations 3176 02:33:12.319 --> 02:33:14.639 where there's more nuance to it, and you have to 3177 02:33:14.639 --> 02:33:16.639 look at the whole scope. I'm not denying that by 3178 02:33:16.680 --> 02:33:19.760 any means, but I think there is plenty of situations 3179 02:33:19.799 --> 02:33:22.159 that anybody would be able to look at and say 3180 02:33:22.360 --> 02:33:25.520 that is a bad thing or that is a good thing. 3181 02:33:25.760 --> 02:33:27.280 I think that there's way more of that than we 3182 02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:28.239 actually give credit for it. 3183 02:33:29.479 --> 02:33:32.719 You're right, and that there's lots of situations where ninety 3184 02:33:32.799 --> 02:33:36.840 five percent of people would agree that's back, okay, that's 3185 02:33:36.920 --> 02:33:37.760 wrong to do. 3186 02:33:38.040 --> 02:33:41.040 Okay, But aside from like the criminally insane that don't 3187 02:33:41.079 --> 02:33:43.799 have operating brains in the first place, Like, okay, aside 3188 02:33:43.799 --> 02:33:46.319 from these people who like, when I see somebody walking 3189 02:33:46.319 --> 02:33:47.879 down the street, I want to bash your face in 3190 02:33:47.920 --> 02:33:50.280 with a hammer, why doesn't everyone think that way? Okay, 3191 02:33:50.319 --> 02:33:52.600 that's criminally insane, that's obviously not in the realm of 3192 02:33:52.600 --> 02:33:54.440 conversation we're having, just so we all clear. 3193 02:33:54.600 --> 02:33:56.399 I mean, I think we can all agree that that 3194 02:33:56.399 --> 02:33:59.760 that coblata murder is wrong, rape is wrong, things like 3195 02:33:59.799 --> 02:34:02.920 that you shouldn't steal shit from people. You know, most 3196 02:34:02.959 --> 02:34:06.079 people would agree those those actions are wrong. But when 3197 02:34:06.120 --> 02:34:10.079 you're talking about the existence of the nature of an entity, 3198 02:34:10.159 --> 02:34:13.280 of a conscious entity, like a demon or an angel, 3199 02:34:13.719 --> 02:34:16.760 you know, like, is the Angel of Death evil? You know, 3200 02:34:16.920 --> 02:34:19.319 he killed a lot of kids in Egypt that most 3201 02:34:19.399 --> 02:34:23.879 I think killing children is evil, But but Christians would 3202 02:34:23.959 --> 02:34:25.840 argue the fuck out of me on that. Well know, 3203 02:34:26.040 --> 02:34:29.479 God said that it was okay for that to happen, 3204 02:34:29.559 --> 02:34:32.399 So if God does something evil, then it's righteous. 3205 02:34:33.479 --> 02:34:33.680 Fair. 3206 02:34:33.719 --> 02:34:36.120 Can we can we agree that burning people at the steak. 3207 02:34:35.959 --> 02:34:37.520 Was fucking evils? 3208 02:34:38.000 --> 02:34:40.840 Okay? But your religion promotes that and most people that 3209 02:34:40.959 --> 02:34:44.799 are Christians, especially conservative Christians nowadays, would be trying to 3210 02:34:44.879 --> 02:34:47.399 burn people like me at the stake if they could 3211 02:34:47.479 --> 02:34:48.680 legally get away with it. 3212 02:34:50.360 --> 02:34:53.639 I don't know, man, I think I think Christians are 3213 02:34:54.239 --> 02:34:56.440 pretty harmless, especially compared to like Islam. 3214 02:34:57.120 --> 02:35:00.520 I've seen so much chat and forums and troll saying 3215 02:35:00.520 --> 02:35:02.239 that we should still burn them at the steak. 3216 02:35:02.600 --> 02:35:05.760 There's a few out there, even that one guy, Andrew Wilson, 3217 02:35:05.799 --> 02:35:07.719 said that he would shoot us in the back if 3218 02:35:07.719 --> 02:35:08.040 he could. 3219 02:35:08.399 --> 02:35:11.399 Yeah, So to that point, I'm with you. 3220 02:35:11.440 --> 02:35:13.719 Now, I'm not gonna say that burning everyone at the 3221 02:35:13.760 --> 02:35:16.120 stake is wrong. There are some people out there who 3222 02:35:16.120 --> 02:35:18.920 have committed some very heinous crimes that I believe burning 3223 02:35:18.959 --> 02:35:21.000 at the steak is too good for. Gonna be honest 3224 02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:24.440 with you, but again, I don't believe in making the 3225 02:35:24.520 --> 02:35:27.200 rule for the minority. I believe in making the rules 3226 02:35:27.239 --> 02:35:30.159 for the majority. Right, That's just how my brain operates. 3227 02:35:30.280 --> 02:35:33.840 That being said, I am also, yes, I'm a devout Christian, 3228 02:35:33.879 --> 02:35:36.840 not a very good representation of one by all fucking 3229 02:35:36.879 --> 02:35:38.639 standards and metrics. IM gonna straight up with you. But 3230 02:35:38.639 --> 02:35:41.319 beside the point, right, I also do believe that people 3231 02:35:41.399 --> 02:35:44.000 should have free will. They should have the freedom of choice, 3232 02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:46.000 the freedom of expression, the freedom of speech, and the 3233 02:35:46.000 --> 02:35:46.920 freedom of religion. 3234 02:35:48.879 --> 02:35:51.159 To hell for exercising those freedoms. 3235 02:35:51.399 --> 02:35:53.959 But I'm not the guy to cast that judgment. I 3236 02:35:53.959 --> 02:35:55.600 am a human, I am a center. I am just 3237 02:35:55.600 --> 02:35:58.239 as imperfect as everybody else. Okay, that judgment is for 3238 02:35:58.319 --> 02:36:00.600 a whole other person, a whole other deity. 3239 02:36:00.719 --> 02:36:02.520 I am not that deity. I'm not gonna pretend to 3240 02:36:02.520 --> 02:36:04.079 be that guy, so I don't. 3241 02:36:04.200 --> 02:36:07.879 I try my hardest to withhold judgment from people because 3242 02:36:07.959 --> 02:36:10.600 especially because I have no fucking room to judge anyone. 3243 02:36:10.719 --> 02:36:13.879 So I and I recognize this. But that being said, 3244 02:36:13.959 --> 02:36:15.840 I am also the type of person that, while I 3245 02:36:15.959 --> 02:36:18.760 might disagree with someone and like you're saying like these 3246 02:36:18.799 --> 02:36:21.120 like shit libs, I had, one of my best friends, 3247 02:36:21.159 --> 02:36:24.760 as a matter of fact, is the most devout liberal 3248 02:36:25.079 --> 02:36:27.639 retard I have ever met in my fucking life, so 3249 02:36:27.799 --> 02:36:30.319 much so that he is of the belief that this 3250 02:36:30.399 --> 02:36:33.760 fucking blonde hair, blue eyed stone or white boy, Oh, 3251 02:36:33.760 --> 02:36:35.680 I could totally just go to Afghanistan and I would 3252 02:36:35.719 --> 02:36:36.239 just get along. 3253 02:36:36.319 --> 02:36:36.479 Man. 3254 02:36:36.559 --> 02:36:38.920 You gotta treat people well, they'll treat you well. 3255 02:36:38.959 --> 02:36:42.319 And I'm like, brother, they will behead you for half 3256 02:36:42.440 --> 02:36:45.799 the shit that I've heard you say on a regular basis. Nah, bro, 3257 02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:48.120 you just don't know what you're talking about. And it's like, 3258 02:36:48.159 --> 02:36:50.280 all right, dude, we're never gonna come to an agreement. 3259 02:36:50.520 --> 02:36:52.959 But my thing is he is one of my best 3260 02:36:53.000 --> 02:36:57.399 friends because whatever he is saying, although I vehemently disagree 3261 02:36:57.399 --> 02:37:00.159 with him, I know that he truly believes it. He 3262 02:37:00.239 --> 02:37:02.280 keeps it one hundred with me one hundred percent of 3263 02:37:02.319 --> 02:37:04.719 the time, and I can respect that. And even though 3264 02:37:04.719 --> 02:37:07.120 we can disagree on everything, you be real with me, 3265 02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:09.000 I be real with you, and we can agree to 3266 02:37:09.040 --> 02:37:11.120 disagree on a lot of things. That's how I am 3267 02:37:11.200 --> 02:37:14.280 with the freedom of religion. I disagree with a lot 3268 02:37:14.399 --> 02:37:19.120 of the other religions out there and breaking it down historically, philosophically, 3269 02:37:19.239 --> 02:37:21.840 whatever else. But I also believe that you, as a 3270 02:37:21.920 --> 02:37:24.360 human being, have just his right to be right or 3271 02:37:24.360 --> 02:37:25.360 wrong as I do. 3272 02:37:25.399 --> 02:37:27.200 And I'm not gonna step in the way of that 3273 02:37:27.239 --> 02:37:27.879 for you. Now. 3274 02:37:27.920 --> 02:37:31.719 I might try to have conversations and come to an understanding. 3275 02:37:31.760 --> 02:37:34.120 I might try to incite some wisdom in you. You 3276 02:37:34.200 --> 02:37:36.120 might try to incite some wisdom in me, and we 3277 02:37:36.200 --> 02:37:37.799 might get to a point where we have to agree 3278 02:37:37.799 --> 02:37:40.840 to disagree. That's fine, everybody's entitled of that shit too. 3279 02:37:41.239 --> 02:37:44.159 But I don't believe that somebody should be outright burned 3280 02:37:44.159 --> 02:37:48.120 at the stake or murdered or ostracized or you know, 3281 02:37:49.159 --> 02:37:52.639 demonized lack of better words, excuse me for. 3282 02:37:52.680 --> 02:37:54.920 Their beliefs, whatever those might be. 3283 02:37:55.079 --> 02:37:58.000 Unless it's clearly like somebody of a psychotic nature that 3284 02:37:58.000 --> 02:38:00.559 believes that like raping children is a good thing. Like, no, no, 3285 02:38:00.760 --> 02:38:02.680 I will cast the judgment on that one, fuck you 3286 02:38:02.719 --> 02:38:04.159 and the horse you rode in on, right, But for 3287 02:38:04.600 --> 02:38:09.680 the vast majority of understood religions and philosophies and belief systems, yeah, 3288 02:38:09.719 --> 02:38:12.840 you could just disagree and not instantly say that, oh well, 3289 02:38:12.879 --> 02:38:15.399 you know, it's fine, you're going to hell. Like, first 3290 02:38:15.440 --> 02:38:17.440 of all, who the fuck are you to cast that 3291 02:38:17.479 --> 02:38:18.319 type of statement? 3292 02:38:18.799 --> 02:38:21.239 But anyway, anyway, I'd like to say though, like I 3293 02:38:21.799 --> 02:38:25.040 believe an objective morality for sure, yeah, you know, And 3294 02:38:25.360 --> 02:38:28.399 I think of the whole like moral like relativeness and 3295 02:38:28.479 --> 02:38:30.079 all that stuff. I think a lot of it, you know. 3296 02:38:30.159 --> 02:38:31.840 I mean, of course it's like postmodern, but I think 3297 02:38:31.840 --> 02:38:33.680 a lot of it came out of the theory of relativity, 3298 02:38:34.159 --> 02:38:37.600 you know, where everyone where nothing's real, everything's relative, and 3299 02:38:37.639 --> 02:38:40.239 I think that kind of spilled into like the whole 3300 02:38:40.280 --> 02:38:44.159 postmodern thing, you know. But yeah, I believe an objective morality, 3301 02:38:44.239 --> 02:38:47.159 you know. But I mean Einstein was a complete fraud. 3302 02:38:47.840 --> 02:38:49.879 What do you mean on that? Break that one down 3303 02:38:49.920 --> 02:38:50.239 for me? 3304 02:38:51.000 --> 02:38:54.360 Einstein, I'm not like a super Einstein dick writer by 3305 02:38:54.360 --> 02:38:54.799 any means. 3306 02:38:54.799 --> 02:38:57.280 But that's that's a bold statement. Break this down for me. 3307 02:38:58.280 --> 02:39:02.319 Well, he was brought in to replace all of physics 3308 02:39:02.319 --> 02:39:06.120 with a bunch of incoherent psychobabble to try to solve 3309 02:39:06.200 --> 02:39:08.760 a problem that they a crisis they were having when 3310 02:39:08.760 --> 02:39:10.639 they couldn't measure the rotation of the earth. 3311 02:39:11.479 --> 02:39:11.719 Yeah. 3312 02:39:12.840 --> 02:39:16.079 Fair, fair, But then his most of his theorems have 3313 02:39:16.159 --> 02:39:19.399 been proven to be correct, some of them have been 3314 02:39:19.440 --> 02:39:21.399 disproven almost all of them. 3315 02:39:21.440 --> 02:39:23.680 All of them have been disproven, dude, all of them, 3316 02:39:23.799 --> 02:39:26.000 all of them, right down to the very core that 3317 02:39:26.399 --> 02:39:29.319 the light speed is a constant, that's the entire like 3318 02:39:29.719 --> 02:39:32.799 framework for his thing. And it doesn't. Light travels way 3319 02:39:32.840 --> 02:39:35.680 faster from east to west than it does from west 3320 02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:39.559 to east. And then that increases the more the higher 3321 02:39:39.639 --> 02:39:45.920 up you go in altitude. Uh, it'll it'll decrease if 3322 02:39:45.959 --> 02:39:48.280 you're like, like, let's say you have like a laser 3323 02:39:48.360 --> 02:39:52.000 ring gyro something that's going to measure that. You know, Uh, 3324 02:39:52.360 --> 02:39:54.200 it's it's it's going to be slower if you go 3325 02:39:54.239 --> 02:39:55.120 down the basement. 3326 02:39:55.959 --> 02:39:56.159 You know. 3327 02:39:56.239 --> 02:39:57.920 That's that's fair. But let me ask you this. 3328 02:39:58.040 --> 02:40:00.559 The first person to ever try to calculate the speed 3329 02:40:00.600 --> 02:40:02.319 of light. I forget the name of the guy, but 3330 02:40:02.319 --> 02:40:04.959 they conducted an experiment. They were off by a fucking 3331 02:40:05.040 --> 02:40:07.600 long shot, but they also didn't have the instrumentation even 3332 02:40:07.639 --> 02:40:09.440 try to get close. They were doing the best they 3333 02:40:09.479 --> 02:40:11.680 could with the information and the technology that they had, 3334 02:40:11.959 --> 02:40:14.600 and everybody accepted this to be truth. Later that was 3335 02:40:14.639 --> 02:40:17.440 blown out of the water. Would you call them frauds. 3336 02:40:18.479 --> 02:40:21.360 If they're being sincere I wouldn't call that a fraud. 3337 02:40:21.840 --> 02:40:24.799 You don't believe I'm not being sincere no all so. 3338 02:40:24.920 --> 02:40:27.920 Absolutely wasn't sincere No. No, he was. He was propped up. 3339 02:40:27.920 --> 02:40:30.840 He was put there to, uh to do a job, 3340 02:40:30.959 --> 02:40:35.520 and he did it. They got propped up. Yeah. Intriating, Yeah, 3341 02:40:35.639 --> 02:40:40.639 totally so. And uh yeah, you know it's that's a 3342 02:40:40.639 --> 02:40:42.959 whole rabbit hole, man, And that's something that takes like 3343 02:40:43.040 --> 02:40:45.680 six months to a year to really research and understand 3344 02:40:46.000 --> 02:40:50.680 the whole thing. But the history of relativity, the Michelson 3345 02:40:50.680 --> 02:40:55.000 Morley experiment, you know, measurements of Dayton Miller. Yeah, you know, 3346 02:40:55.079 --> 02:40:58.760 like all that's that's something that that's gonna take. It 3347 02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:02.719 takes a while to really un stand it. Interesting, but 3348 02:41:02.879 --> 02:41:06.159 you have to understand it in chronological order. But the 3349 02:41:06.159 --> 02:41:08.319 guys that have done the best work on it. Uh, 3350 02:41:09.600 --> 02:41:11.639 they're just crushing all the time. They have a discord 3351 02:41:11.680 --> 02:41:14.000 group where you can go and ask any questions you want. 3352 02:41:15.040 --> 02:41:20.559 And but that's uh Alan over at Space Audits, was it, 3353 02:41:20.639 --> 02:41:28.360 Toby at College ether College Cosmology, Shane Saint Pierre? Uh, yeah, Yeah, 3354 02:41:28.399 --> 02:41:31.079 those guys are just crushing it, just knocking it out 3355 02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:31.479 of the park. 3356 02:41:32.319 --> 02:41:33.799 Wow, Okay, interesting. 3357 02:41:34.040 --> 02:41:35.920 You know, I did want to get back to this though, 3358 02:41:35.959 --> 02:41:39.440 because we were trying to to define a line of 3359 02:41:39.520 --> 02:41:41.680 good and evil and I feel like we were almost 3360 02:41:41.719 --> 02:41:43.920 trying to look at that through a human perspective. But 3361 02:41:44.200 --> 02:41:49.600 does our human perspective automatically paint the rules of what 3362 02:41:49.760 --> 02:41:52.079 these uh, let's just say, for a lack of a 3363 02:41:52.079 --> 02:41:55.559 better word, etheric beings would call good and evil, you 3364 02:41:55.600 --> 02:41:56.159 know what I'm saying. 3365 02:41:56.559 --> 02:41:58.600 Like, I feel like maybe the rules are a little 3366 02:41:58.600 --> 02:41:59.079 bit different. 3367 02:41:59.079 --> 02:42:01.879 And that's why, you know, you can have an angel 3368 02:42:02.079 --> 02:42:05.040 to carry out a lot of the same rituals that 3369 02:42:04.799 --> 02:42:07.559 a demon would if these are just names that you 3370 02:42:07.559 --> 02:42:10.559 would be calling them. But like if if you're able to, 3371 02:42:12.799 --> 02:42:16.239 for example, you js if you were able to have 3372 02:42:16.600 --> 02:42:20.399 a certain kind of ritual and you call upon an 3373 02:42:20.440 --> 02:42:23.959 angel to I don't know, do some healing or something 3374 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:27.799 like that within a a ritualistic circle in the star 3375 02:42:27.879 --> 02:42:31.920 and everything like that, it would does it necessarily matter 3376 02:42:32.000 --> 02:42:34.280 if it's if you're asking for something good or evil 3377 02:42:34.399 --> 02:42:38.079 or you know, is it almost just like they're good 3378 02:42:38.079 --> 02:42:41.600 at this one thing. So we're gonna call upon them regardless. 3379 02:42:43.799 --> 02:42:45.959 That's a good question. I'm definitely gonna call on an 3380 02:42:46.079 --> 02:42:49.760 entity who specializes in whatever area that I'm working in 3381 02:42:49.840 --> 02:42:52.760 and trying to affect. I have had them tell me no, 3382 02:42:54.360 --> 02:42:58.159 didn't really get an explanation, whether something they just didn't 3383 02:42:58.200 --> 02:43:01.159 want to do or didn't agree with what I was 3384 02:43:01.159 --> 02:43:04.200 trying to do. Maybe maybe not, But I don't think 3385 02:43:04.200 --> 02:43:08.120 they look at things from the same perspective that we do. 3386 02:43:09.680 --> 02:43:12.280 And yeah, it all still comes down to opinion and 3387 02:43:12.319 --> 02:43:15.239 perception of what's right and wrong, you know what. Like 3388 02:43:15.239 --> 02:43:16.959 I said, what I think is righteous, A lot of 3389 02:43:16.959 --> 02:43:20.079 people would disagree and say, oh, you're evil. Yeah I 3390 02:43:20.120 --> 02:43:22.120 think we should put pedos in the wood chip or 3391 02:43:23.319 --> 02:43:26.000 but you know, most Catholic priests would argue on that one. 3392 02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:31.520 So my opinion perception anymore right than anyone else's. How 3393 02:43:31.600 --> 02:43:33.559 Who the fuck am I to say I just know 3394 02:43:34.040 --> 02:43:37.040 that I do what I feel is morally right, all right, 3395 02:43:37.159 --> 02:43:40.600 And if that's you know, killing pedophiles on the weekend 3396 02:43:40.760 --> 02:43:44.920 with radionics, machines and ritual magic, then hey, there's people 3397 02:43:44.959 --> 02:43:47.559 that would say I'm evil for doing healing rituals, Like, Okay, 3398 02:43:47.559 --> 02:43:49.760 you're doing a ritual for a good reason, but it's 3399 02:43:49.760 --> 02:43:51.879 still an evil practice because it still falls under the 3400 02:43:51.920 --> 02:43:54.920 practice the guy's black magic. You know, it's still ritual 3401 02:43:54.959 --> 02:43:55.520 black magic. 3402 02:43:55.920 --> 02:43:57.559 I'm glad you brought that one up. So we had 3403 02:43:57.600 --> 02:43:59.959 a friend of ours, New York Patriot, Loving to Day. 3404 02:44:00.280 --> 02:44:02.920 He was a former member of OTO, which also I'd 3405 02:44:02.959 --> 02:44:04.760 love to get your opinion on OTO as well. But 3406 02:44:05.319 --> 02:44:07.319 he was talking about the type of magic that they 3407 02:44:07.360 --> 02:44:09.559 were doing, and we even asked him that question. Let's 3408 02:44:09.559 --> 02:44:12.200 say that you are doing because he is a he 3409 02:44:12.319 --> 02:44:15.840 left the organization and he is a big proponent of 3410 02:44:15.879 --> 02:44:18.040 how everything of the dark and the magic thing occult. 3411 02:44:18.120 --> 02:44:21.360 You're obviously drawing upon a dark and evil source to 3412 02:44:21.440 --> 02:44:21.680 do it. 3413 02:44:21.719 --> 02:44:22.920 And we asked them the same question. 3414 02:44:23.000 --> 02:44:25.920 Let's say that you are performing a ritual to heal 3415 02:44:26.000 --> 02:44:29.399 someone of cancer, right, a loved one, and you it's 3416 02:44:29.520 --> 02:44:32.120 you're not getting anything for yourself out of this, because 3417 02:44:32.120 --> 02:44:35.280 he made that clear. Most of these rituals that at 3418 02:44:35.360 --> 02:44:37.440 least he was a part of, you were always doing 3419 02:44:37.520 --> 02:44:40.000 it for yourself. It was a very selfish thing that 3420 02:44:40.040 --> 02:44:42.079 you were doing, and that's the only way that it 3421 02:44:42.079 --> 02:44:45.520 could work. And we're like, okay, so hold on healing practices, right, 3422 02:44:45.520 --> 02:44:48.799 if you're doing this for somebody. Your mom's got cancer, 3423 02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:52.920 you're performing a ritual for her. Is this still considered 3424 02:44:53.000 --> 02:44:54.479 evil by his words? 3425 02:44:54.559 --> 02:44:55.120 Not ours? 3426 02:44:55.559 --> 02:44:58.319 You're still giving of yourself. You're still giving your blood 3427 02:44:58.399 --> 02:45:00.520 or something like that. So no matter how you spend it, 3428 02:45:00.559 --> 02:45:02.440 you're still putting your essence into it. 3429 02:45:02.520 --> 02:45:04.639 So yes, it would still be selfish by nature. 3430 02:45:05.040 --> 02:45:11.639 Your thoughts, my thoughts, I would disagree with them. Yeah, 3431 02:45:11.639 --> 02:45:16.840 And me personally, I don't give not even one little 3432 02:45:16.920 --> 02:45:20.799 half of a fuck what anyone thinks that about what 3433 02:45:20.840 --> 02:45:23.200 I'm doing. If it's good or evil or right or wrong, 3434 02:45:23.280 --> 02:45:26.639 I only care about what I think. That's it. That's 3435 02:45:26.639 --> 02:45:28.920 the freedom of being a black magician. We don't have 3436 02:45:29.000 --> 02:45:31.159 to give a shit, all right, as long as I 3437 02:45:31.159 --> 02:45:33.159 don't have an issue with it and I'm willing to 3438 02:45:33.159 --> 02:45:34.600 do it, then hey, it's right by me. 3439 02:45:35.000 --> 02:45:37.760 And I also want to say, though, it's a lot 3440 02:45:37.840 --> 02:45:40.079 easier to be a good person when you have the 3441 02:45:40.120 --> 02:45:41.479 power to be a good person. 3442 02:45:42.639 --> 02:45:43.440 What do you mean by this? 3443 02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:46.440 But you can call yourself a good person, but but like, 3444 02:45:47.159 --> 02:45:49.639 what do you actually do that's good? You know, when 3445 02:45:49.680 --> 02:45:51.959 you're when you're able to save people's lives and work 3446 02:45:52.040 --> 02:45:54.840 miracles on people, you know, like, like, to me, that's 3447 02:45:54.840 --> 02:45:57.319 being a good person. Like when you it, it's sort 3448 02:45:57.319 --> 02:46:00.760 of like, uh, let's say, uh, how can you be 3449 02:46:00.840 --> 02:46:03.760 a generous person? Or imagine how much more of a 3450 02:46:03.799 --> 02:46:07.719 generous person you could be if you were rich? Sure, 3451 02:46:07.799 --> 02:46:10.479 you know, I mean look at Elvis Due. The guy 3452 02:46:10.520 --> 02:46:12.639 was making stupid money and he would buy all of 3453 02:46:12.680 --> 02:46:18.559 his friends motorcycles Cadillacs. Uh, you know, he he shared 3454 02:46:18.600 --> 02:46:20.639 so much of his wealth because he had so much 3455 02:46:20.680 --> 02:46:21.319 wealth to give. 3456 02:46:22.040 --> 02:46:24.559 But being a really good gift giver does not necessarily 3457 02:46:24.559 --> 02:46:25.520 make you a good person. 3458 02:46:25.600 --> 02:46:26.680 I do hear what you're saying though. 3459 02:46:26.760 --> 02:46:28.760 It doesn't though, But what I'm saying though, is like, 3460 02:46:28.799 --> 02:46:31.879 when you have the power to be a good person, 3461 02:46:32.399 --> 02:46:35.079 you have a lot more outlets to be a good person. 3462 02:46:35.799 --> 02:46:38.040 Yes, but would you also agree that you. 3463 02:46:38.200 --> 02:46:41.000 And you learn temperance and you learn temperance because let's 3464 02:46:41.040 --> 02:46:43.959 just say, like someone kind of is a good person, 3465 02:46:44.079 --> 02:46:46.360 but what do they actually do? You know, are they 3466 02:46:46.399 --> 02:46:48.520 just like sitting in their living room? You know, like 3467 02:46:49.360 --> 02:46:51.520 you know, because there needs to be some action to 3468 02:46:51.559 --> 02:46:54.360 really be a good person. It's more like a I mean, 3469 02:46:54.479 --> 02:46:58.319 just take like a fighting right, Uh. Anyone can be 3470 02:46:58.360 --> 02:47:01.040 talented at fighting, you know, anyone, but you know you 3471 02:47:01.079 --> 02:47:03.719 could be really get to the talent talented. But to me, 3472 02:47:03.879 --> 02:47:05.879 like what makes like a champion, like a straight up 3473 02:47:05.959 --> 02:47:09.239 champion is like what you do when you're met with 3474 02:47:09.280 --> 02:47:11.200 like resistance, So when you kind of build that kind 3475 02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:13.440 of temperance, Like, to me, that that's what makes a champion, 3476 02:47:13.520 --> 02:47:16.040 not just someone who's talented. So so I think like 3477 02:47:16.079 --> 02:47:18.559 the more power you cultivate, the easier it is to 3478 02:47:18.559 --> 02:47:19.159 be a good. 3479 02:47:19.000 --> 02:47:23.280 Person almost like it's all like it's all like good. 3480 02:47:24.159 --> 02:47:26.920 If we're trying to define what good actually is, is 3481 02:47:26.920 --> 02:47:30.079 it just the lack of evil? You know, like you 3482 02:47:30.120 --> 02:47:33.079 can't just look at it that way, not necessarily because 3483 02:47:33.399 --> 02:47:35.799 you can sit there like all right, for example, like 3484 02:47:36.159 --> 02:47:40.280 to bring up the thing that he just said, basically, 3485 02:47:40.319 --> 02:47:42.079 if you just sit on your couch and you do 3486 02:47:42.200 --> 02:47:45.319 nothing to nobody are you and you never get up 3487 02:47:45.319 --> 02:47:45.959 off your couch. 3488 02:47:46.159 --> 02:47:49.159 You even that's evil. You didn't do anything evil. 3489 02:47:49.719 --> 02:47:52.639 No, but you're also not doing anything good. Stagnation is bad. 3490 02:47:53.639 --> 02:47:57.000 Stagnition is bad. But uh, but you know, going back 3491 02:47:57.040 --> 02:48:01.280 to fighting, you know, like how how how many Like 3492 02:48:01.840 --> 02:48:03.840 when people get up to like a black belt level, 3493 02:48:04.079 --> 02:48:06.079 do you think they're going to bars and picking fights? 3494 02:48:06.600 --> 02:48:08.959 You know, some of them probably do. I mean, you know, 3495 02:48:08.959 --> 02:48:11.079 it's pretty rare, but some of them probably do, you know, 3496 02:48:11.159 --> 02:48:13.440 especially they're like twenty five, you know or something, hanging 3497 02:48:13.479 --> 02:48:15.079 out some some of their friends on a full moon. 3498 02:48:15.120 --> 02:48:17.399 I don't know, but but yeah, for the most part, 3499 02:48:17.520 --> 02:48:20.639 like the better you are fighting, the more humble and 3500 02:48:20.879 --> 02:48:24.120 uh what you're gonna be. Uh, your anger is going 3501 02:48:24.159 --> 02:48:25.799 to be under control. Everything about you's going to be 3502 02:48:25.840 --> 02:48:28.760 under control in situations like that. So like, the more 3503 02:48:28.799 --> 02:48:31.360 power you have, the easier it is to be a 3504 02:48:31.399 --> 02:48:32.040 good person. 3505 02:48:32.440 --> 02:48:34.719 Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would disagree with you. 3506 02:48:35.000 --> 02:48:38.360 They were both champions who objectively were bad people. They 3507 02:48:38.399 --> 02:48:42.120 may have been become good people later on, But Mike Tyson, 3508 02:48:42.159 --> 02:48:45.440 when he was like at his prime, he was threatening 3509 02:48:45.479 --> 02:48:47.399 to like ask, fuck, guys, I'm a fuck you too, 3510 02:48:47.479 --> 02:48:49.680 you love me to the guy before he bought them, 3511 02:48:49.719 --> 02:48:51.440 So you know there's levels to that. 3512 02:48:51.600 --> 02:48:52.559 But I hear what you're saying. 3513 02:48:52.639 --> 02:48:54.559 That's the nature of the sports. Same with like wrestling. 3514 02:48:54.559 --> 02:48:56.239 Wrestlers talk a lot of shit too, you know. 3515 02:48:56.600 --> 02:48:57.639 But that's why. 3516 02:48:57.319 --> 02:49:00.879 Mike Tyson actually did get convicted right back in the day. 3517 02:49:00.959 --> 02:49:05.600 People forget that. Why doesn't he get canceled? Why does 3518 02:49:05.639 --> 02:49:07.239 the mean too movement go after him? 3519 02:49:07.760 --> 02:49:10.600 Yes, but to that point also, I would argue that 3520 02:49:10.719 --> 02:49:14.680 every single person on a daily basis gets presented opportunities 3521 02:49:14.719 --> 02:49:16.959 to be a good or bad person. Yes, to your 3522 02:49:16.959 --> 02:49:19.639 point that, yes, if you're a multimillionaire, you have more 3523 02:49:19.639 --> 02:49:23.280 of an ability to like leave extra large tips and 3524 02:49:23.319 --> 02:49:25.879 to be more generous and like, that's the opportunity that's 3525 02:49:25.879 --> 02:49:27.639 been presented to you. If you're a doctor and you're 3526 02:49:27.680 --> 02:49:30.719 a heart surgeon, you have way more opportunities to save 3527 02:49:30.760 --> 02:49:32.639 a human life than your average Joe blow. 3528 02:49:32.680 --> 02:49:33.680 I hear you, one hundred percent. 3529 02:49:33.719 --> 02:49:36.280 I'm not disagreeing with that, But I would also argue 3530 02:49:36.319 --> 02:49:39.799 that if it's anything from how you interact with somebody, 3531 02:49:39.840 --> 02:49:42.680 how you speak to somebody, to putting up your shopping. 3532 02:49:42.319 --> 02:49:44.120 Cart when you go to Walmart rather than leaving it 3533 02:49:44.159 --> 02:49:45.159 in the middle of the parking lot. 3534 02:49:45.159 --> 02:49:47.559 And I'm not saying that leaving it in the spot 3535 02:49:47.680 --> 02:49:50.000 is evil as opposed to putting it in its area, 3536 02:49:50.040 --> 02:49:52.399 which is inherently morally just and probably I'm saying there's 3537 02:49:52.479 --> 02:49:55.000 levels to this, but I would also argue that every 3538 02:49:55.040 --> 02:49:59.440 single person gets presented with opportunities to make choices every day, 3539 02:49:59.600 --> 02:50:01.799 and if you not, and you are being staggnedant just 3540 02:50:01.840 --> 02:50:04.520 sitting at home and being an inceell, then that's inherently 3541 02:50:04.559 --> 02:50:08.719 evil as well, because stagnation luke warmness is not accepted 3542 02:50:08.799 --> 02:50:10.159 in any fucking realm. 3543 02:50:10.520 --> 02:50:11.040 That's just me. 3544 02:50:12.319 --> 02:50:15.879 We're I feel like we're trying to define what good 3545 02:50:15.920 --> 02:50:21.040 and evil is according to higher level beings. Bro, it's 3546 02:50:21.040 --> 02:50:22.559 a different story. I feel like. 3547 02:50:22.559 --> 02:50:25.559 We're so we can only operate within the human quantified 3548 02:50:25.600 --> 02:50:28.200 realm because that's where we happen to live, right. But 3549 02:50:28.239 --> 02:50:30.040 it's like saying that humans have to abide by the 3550 02:50:30.120 --> 02:50:32.120 laws of physics. It's like, yeah, because we live in 3551 02:50:32.120 --> 02:50:35.200 the physical world. My boy, No, I agree with you. 3552 02:50:35.280 --> 02:50:37.239 What I'm trying to say is is that this whole 3553 02:50:37.239 --> 02:50:40.399 conversation really started by trying to determine what kind of 3554 02:50:40.440 --> 02:50:44.040 power angels and demons have and do they operate on 3555 02:50:44.079 --> 02:50:46.840 the same levels of good and evil as as we 3556 02:50:46.959 --> 02:50:49.079 perceive good and evil. And I don't know if it's 3557 02:50:49.120 --> 02:50:50.360 necessarily that cut and dry. 3558 02:50:51.920 --> 02:50:54.360 And like I said, I think they're like forces of 3559 02:50:54.440 --> 02:50:58.520 nature and they were created for a purpose and that's 3560 02:50:58.559 --> 02:50:58.959 what they do. 3561 02:51:01.000 --> 02:51:05.840 I mean nature it is a psychopath. Like they said 3562 02:51:05.920 --> 02:51:08.479 that the doctor in the World Wars Z movie tried 3563 02:51:08.479 --> 02:51:11.200 to break it down, you know, explain how like nature 3564 02:51:11.319 --> 02:51:14.840 is psychopathic by its own you know, like like when 3565 02:51:15.000 --> 02:51:17.680 when a dog eats her own pups because you're starving 3566 02:51:17.719 --> 02:51:21.440 to death, Like I mean, is that evil? I mean 3567 02:51:21.479 --> 02:51:23.399 if you eat, if you're a human and you eat 3568 02:51:23.399 --> 02:51:28.040 your baby, then yeah, you considered really evil, all right, 3569 02:51:28.120 --> 02:51:31.920 But like, like the same laws don't apply to animals, 3570 02:51:32.200 --> 02:51:35.680 the same rules and morality don't. If humans behave like animals, 3571 02:51:35.680 --> 02:51:39.760 then we'd all be fucking evil, right, And most most 3572 02:51:39.879 --> 02:51:43.719 animals have really a good reason to fear human Like 3573 02:51:43.719 --> 02:51:45.959 we're the evil ones to them. We're the ones that 3574 02:51:46.000 --> 02:51:48.760 put them in slaughter houses. We're the ones that you know, 3575 02:51:48.879 --> 02:51:50.799 slaughter baby cows and we can eat veal. 3576 02:51:51.280 --> 02:51:54.000 Yeah, but this is also the thing, right, This is why. 3577 02:51:54.079 --> 02:51:56.879 And again I'm not saying animals do or don't have souls. 3578 02:51:57.000 --> 02:51:58.959 I'm not gonna be able to make that determination, but 3579 02:51:59.000 --> 02:52:02.440 I will say animals operate off of instinct. Humans operate 3580 02:52:02.520 --> 02:52:05.319 off of our thinking brain. That's what separates us from 3581 02:52:05.319 --> 02:52:07.520 the animals. So like, there's no such thing as an 3582 02:52:07.559 --> 02:52:11.120 evil deer or a morally upright deer. They're out there 3583 02:52:11.159 --> 02:52:14.360 doing deer shit, which is completely operating off the realm 3584 02:52:14.360 --> 02:52:15.719 of instinct. 3585 02:52:16.440 --> 02:52:18.280 I mean there's a lot of humans that are strictly 3586 02:52:18.319 --> 02:52:19.680 operating off of the Yeah. 3587 02:52:21.319 --> 02:52:24.000 Most most criminals are behaving like animals. 3588 02:52:24.079 --> 02:52:28.840 Yeah, criminals. Yes, I'm humans that we don't want in society. 3589 02:52:28.920 --> 02:52:30.680 That kind of furthers my point. 3590 02:52:31.159 --> 02:52:34.360 And most people operate and they're motivated by fear. If 3591 02:52:34.360 --> 02:52:37.760 that's not animalistic, I mean, if you really think about it, 3592 02:52:37.840 --> 02:52:40.120 like most people, well, I gotta go to work so 3593 02:52:40.159 --> 02:52:42.879 I don't lose my house, I gotta I gotta treat 3594 02:52:43.079 --> 02:52:46.520 you know, it's it's most of the people I have 3595 02:52:46.680 --> 02:52:49.399 met are are motivated by fear more than they are 3596 02:52:49.479 --> 02:52:50.079 by love. 3597 02:52:50.360 --> 02:52:52.239 I would say, So that. 3598 02:52:52.319 --> 02:52:54.639 Is an individual personal dilemma. 3599 02:52:54.719 --> 02:52:58.159 Then if you're living your life strictly based, like fear based. 3600 02:52:58.280 --> 02:53:01.959 I'm not saying you shouldn't have like fear of certain things, obviously, 3601 02:53:02.079 --> 02:53:05.000 but like if you wake up every day scared shitless, 3602 02:53:05.159 --> 02:53:07.719 then like that is a that's a personal problem, dude. 3603 02:53:08.000 --> 02:53:10.520 I mean, how many how many Christians do you know 3604 02:53:10.639 --> 02:53:15.799 that are Christian because they fear the repercussions of not 3605 02:53:15.840 --> 02:53:16.559 being a Christian. 3606 02:53:17.040 --> 02:53:20.200 We've had this talk before and again there's a difference 3607 02:53:20.239 --> 02:53:22.680 between the face they wear and what they actually feel 3608 02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:25.200 in their innermost thoughts. And I understand that, and I 3609 02:53:25.280 --> 02:53:28.000 will never know what these people feel in their innermost thoughts. 3610 02:53:28.000 --> 02:53:31.280 But the vast majority of Christians that I know, and again, 3611 02:53:31.520 --> 02:53:34.600 of all different types of denominations, I'm not putting one 3612 02:53:34.680 --> 02:53:38.399 versus the other on this one. Most of them understand that, yeah, 3613 02:53:38.399 --> 02:53:41.040 you should have a healthy respect and love and fear 3614 02:53:41.120 --> 02:53:44.079 of God, but you also shouldn't be trying to live 3615 02:53:44.120 --> 02:53:46.520 a good Christian life for fear of going to Hell. 3616 02:53:46.680 --> 02:53:48.879 Because if that's how you're operating, then you already missed 3617 02:53:48.879 --> 02:53:50.360 the point of the entire fucking book. 3618 02:53:51.799 --> 02:53:54.520 But that's the first thing that you get threatened with 3619 02:53:54.600 --> 02:53:58.280 when you tell someone you're not a Christian is hell yeah, 3620 02:53:58.319 --> 02:54:02.479 those people. I think ninety five percent of the people 3621 02:54:02.559 --> 02:54:06.040 sitting in church are sitting there because they're fucking scared. 3622 02:54:06.639 --> 02:54:08.440 I will say this most of your I would I 3623 02:54:08.440 --> 02:54:10.000 only want to say ninety five percent. 3624 02:54:10.040 --> 02:54:11.120 I'll be generous in. 3625 02:54:11.079 --> 02:54:14.360 Say ninety percent of quote unquote Christians cannot tell you 3626 02:54:14.399 --> 02:54:15.239 the last time they. 3627 02:54:15.120 --> 02:54:16.399 Open their own fucking book. 3628 02:54:16.639 --> 02:54:16.920 Yeah. 3629 02:54:16.959 --> 02:54:17.879 All they do is they go. 3630 02:54:18.000 --> 02:54:22.360 They are the routine attendees. They listen to mister pastor man. 3631 02:54:22.399 --> 02:54:24.559 And I'm not saying that every pastor and every priest 3632 02:54:24.639 --> 02:54:25.680 is on some bullshit. 3633 02:54:26.120 --> 02:54:28.440 But I'm also not saying that they are all batting 3634 02:54:28.440 --> 02:54:30.920 a thousand by any means either. If you claim to 3635 02:54:31.000 --> 02:54:34.239 be about this life, then you better know the standards 3636 02:54:34.280 --> 02:54:37.360 of what you're talking about rather than just regurgitating what 3637 02:54:37.399 --> 02:54:39.440 the pastor told you. That's like going to a chemistry 3638 02:54:39.440 --> 02:54:42.000 class every day for ten years and then telling me 3639 02:54:42.040 --> 02:54:45.040 that you're a chemist. Okay, can you break down the 3640 02:54:45.040 --> 02:54:48.559 basics of a chemical equation or you're just regurgitating whatever 3641 02:54:48.559 --> 02:54:50.120 your fucking chemistry professor said. 3642 02:54:50.120 --> 02:54:50.920 There's levels to that. 3643 02:54:50.959 --> 02:54:54.280 Yeah, but there's always that loophole. Well, we're all sinners, 3644 02:54:54.360 --> 02:54:57.399 nobody's perfect. I'm not saying you need to be a 3645 02:54:57.440 --> 02:54:58.200 perfect Christian. 3646 02:54:58.200 --> 02:54:59.799 I'm saying that if you're gonna claim to all right, 3647 02:55:00.479 --> 02:55:02.920 if you're gonna claim to be an expert in weapons 3648 02:55:02.959 --> 02:55:05.760 but you don't actually go to the range, then I'm sorry, 3649 02:55:05.799 --> 02:55:06.479 you're full of shit. 3650 02:55:07.479 --> 02:55:09.319 Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. And 3651 02:55:09.360 --> 02:55:11.479 I think, you know, it's it's important to do work, 3652 02:55:11.920 --> 02:55:13.840 you know. And I think a lot of people, especially 3653 02:55:14.639 --> 02:55:18.959 like uh, you know, people that are call themselves spiritual 3654 02:55:19.000 --> 02:55:20.840 but they don't really do anything, or like you know, 3655 02:55:21.000 --> 02:55:23.200 or even like Christians and followers like that. I think 3656 02:55:23.239 --> 02:55:27.600 there's work you have to do, yes, and uh yeah, 3657 02:55:27.760 --> 02:55:28.000 you know. 3658 02:55:28.120 --> 02:55:30.920 So it takes effort, dude, And that's a that's a 3659 02:55:30.920 --> 02:55:32.879 whole thing that I feel like so many Christians like 3660 02:55:33.040 --> 02:55:36.399 negate to realize. He told you to put on your 3661 02:55:36.440 --> 02:55:39.280 spiritual armor. Jesus told you if you don't have a sword, 3662 02:55:39.360 --> 02:55:41.600 sell your cloak and buy one. But these people think 3663 02:55:41.600 --> 02:55:44.159 that this isn't a fucking warrior stepping into He told 3664 02:55:44.159 --> 02:55:46.760 you to stay strapped or get clapped in the physical realm. 3665 02:55:47.239 --> 02:55:49.639 I don't know what part of that sounds like it's 3666 02:55:49.680 --> 02:55:50.559 an easy ride. 3667 02:55:50.799 --> 02:55:51.440 I don't get it. 3668 02:55:51.479 --> 02:55:55.639 But so many of these people are about like like like, 3669 02:55:55.719 --> 02:55:58.239 in my opinion, Christians need to start learning, like I mean, 3670 02:55:58.239 --> 02:56:00.879 how to clean your aura, how to remove curses, how 3671 02:56:00.920 --> 02:56:04.799 to remove negative entities, you know, how to purify a 3672 02:56:04.879 --> 02:56:08.319 home and a space. You know, like like these are 3673 02:56:08.360 --> 02:56:11.680 like really basic tools that I feel like everyone should 3674 02:56:11.760 --> 02:56:14.479 learn how to do, you know, And how many how 3675 02:56:14.479 --> 02:56:18.360 many Christians are hopeless if they're like like, let's say 3676 02:56:18.600 --> 02:56:21.799 someone comes over to your house and they have visible 3677 02:56:21.799 --> 02:56:24.920 signs of possession. Life's not working out for them or 3678 02:56:25.000 --> 02:56:25.920 they have a curse on what. 3679 02:56:25.879 --> 02:56:26.200 Do you do? 3680 02:56:27.120 --> 02:56:27.319 You know? 3681 02:56:28.559 --> 02:56:30.559 I believe in the power of prayer above pretty much 3682 02:56:30.600 --> 02:56:33.239 all things, just as speaking personally. 3683 02:56:33.200 --> 02:56:35.479 Power of prayer will work. You know. It's better than nothing, 3684 02:56:35.559 --> 02:56:37.159 you know, but you still need to know what you're doing, 3685 02:56:37.920 --> 02:56:38.120 you know. 3686 02:56:38.760 --> 02:56:40.559 Yeah, I mean I'll give you that too. 3687 02:56:40.600 --> 02:56:42.319 But I mean as far as like cleansing your house 3688 02:56:42.360 --> 02:56:44.559 and stuff goes, I'm not negating that this is a 3689 02:56:44.600 --> 02:56:47.239 thing that can take place by any means. But I 3690 02:56:47.239 --> 02:56:49.799 also feel like most Christians that they are taking the 3691 02:56:50.079 --> 02:56:53.360 if they bring the same level of seriousness to cleansing 3692 02:56:53.399 --> 02:56:55.920 their home that they do to just going and regard 3693 02:56:55.959 --> 02:56:57.319 to taking whatever the pastor. 3694 02:56:57.079 --> 02:56:58.920 Said, then they might as well just not even attempted. 3695 02:56:59.399 --> 02:57:01.440 That's just my yeah. 3696 02:57:01.479 --> 02:57:04.200 But uh but yeah, you know, I mean, uh, learning 3697 02:57:04.200 --> 02:57:06.479 how to do energy healing healing people. You know, even 3698 02:57:06.520 --> 02:57:08.600 just praying over someone helps. But like when you when 3699 02:57:08.600 --> 02:57:10.799 you actually learn the mechanics of energy healing, it's going 3700 02:57:10.879 --> 02:57:12.840 to be far superior. And you can still pray while 3701 02:57:12.879 --> 02:57:13.479 you're doing it. 3702 02:57:14.360 --> 02:57:16.799 Okay, yea. By energy healing, do you mean like reiki 3703 02:57:17.799 --> 02:57:18.479 something like that. 3704 02:57:18.559 --> 02:57:20.959 I mean I don't do reiki. I just I just 3705 02:57:21.000 --> 02:57:22.879 do energy healing. I just heal people when I when 3706 02:57:22.920 --> 02:57:25.840 I need to, you know, or myself or whatever. 3707 02:57:25.920 --> 02:57:26.120 You know. 3708 02:57:26.479 --> 02:57:31.399 I usually work with the archangels associated with the elements. 3709 02:57:31.799 --> 02:57:32.079 Uh. 3710 02:57:32.159 --> 02:57:34.239 So I'll do like Metatron for ether, that's the only 3711 02:57:34.280 --> 02:57:37.639 one I really add to it. But uh Raphael, uh 3712 02:57:38.079 --> 02:57:42.239 with air, Michael and fire, Gabriel, water, Auriel and earth 3713 02:57:42.879 --> 02:57:44.959 and uh and I'll go through all of those elements 3714 02:57:45.000 --> 02:57:48.319 and uh and and heal the person and stuff and 3715 02:57:48.360 --> 02:57:51.159 then fill them up with a white cosmic life. Anyway, 3716 02:57:51.399 --> 02:57:55.239 it's a it's but I prefer using angels when it 3717 02:57:55.239 --> 02:57:57.040 comes to healing and stuff. But you know, these are 3718 02:57:57.079 --> 02:58:00.200 things that everyone should learn how to do this, you know, 3719 02:58:00.239 --> 02:58:03.559 like this is you know, at least start blessing your 3720 02:58:03.600 --> 02:58:05.040 food before you eat it. 3721 02:58:05.559 --> 02:58:09.520 Yes, you know, I would agree with that absolutely, you know, 3722 02:58:10.200 --> 02:58:10.879 and then if. 3723 02:58:10.840 --> 02:58:12.520 You want to add one to it, bless it while 3724 02:58:12.520 --> 02:58:15.000 you're cooking it, as you're cooking it, you know, every 3725 02:58:15.000 --> 02:58:18.680 step of the way. You know. Like, yeah, people people 3726 02:58:18.719 --> 02:58:21.239 think of like magic as being external and it's evil 3727 02:58:21.239 --> 02:58:24.360 and all this stuff. But you know, people forget like spirituality. 3728 02:58:24.520 --> 02:58:26.879 Everyone looks at spirituality is like an excuse to be lame, 3729 02:58:27.520 --> 02:58:30.799 you know, when there's when there's actually like really cool 3730 02:58:30.840 --> 02:58:32.440 stuff you can do with it. You know. 3731 02:58:32.559 --> 02:58:35.000 I love that you just said that, and I agree, 3732 02:58:35.040 --> 02:58:38.479 although not everybody who's into spiritualism is lame, not all 3733 02:58:38.520 --> 02:58:40.000 of them, well a lot of them. 3734 02:58:40.079 --> 02:58:42.280 I think you're on the fucking money, yeah, you know. 3735 02:58:42.280 --> 02:58:43.959 But but there's a lot of cool stuff you can 3736 02:58:44.000 --> 02:58:45.399 do with it. I think people need to start just 3737 02:58:45.440 --> 02:58:47.760 doing work, man, to start figuring it out and doing work. 3738 02:58:48.000 --> 02:58:49.879 Because you don't have to, Like, you don't have to 3739 02:58:49.879 --> 02:58:51.559 summon demons if you don't want to. You don't have 3740 02:58:51.559 --> 02:58:53.120 to summon angels if you don't want to, but you 3741 02:58:53.120 --> 02:58:55.600 can you should still learn. Like I said, how to 3742 02:58:55.600 --> 02:58:58.040 clean your aura, how to do energy healing on people, 3743 02:58:58.120 --> 02:59:00.600 how to remove negative entities, how to remove of a curse, 3744 02:59:01.319 --> 02:59:02.879 you know, basic stuff like that. 3745 02:59:02.959 --> 02:59:04.440 You know, I mean, you feel like a lot of 3746 02:59:04.440 --> 02:59:06.760 people don't even know who the fuck they are, So 3747 02:59:06.840 --> 02:59:09.479 if you start talking about this level of like real 3748 02:59:09.520 --> 02:59:12.079 in depth conversation, they crumble and just like don't even 3749 02:59:12.079 --> 02:59:14.479 want to talk about it, regardless of what their background is. 3750 02:59:14.680 --> 02:59:15.399 Yeah. 3751 02:59:15.479 --> 02:59:17.600 And the thing is, it's pretty easy and it's pretty 3752 02:59:17.639 --> 02:59:20.239 much free. Yeah, that's the other thing, you know, Like 3753 02:59:20.280 --> 02:59:22.200 magic is a free resource. 3754 02:59:22.639 --> 02:59:25.399 As is as a spirituality. 3755 02:59:26.559 --> 02:59:29.040 Yeah, you know, going to the Bible, dude, Like, I mean, 3756 02:59:29.040 --> 02:59:31.200 there's passages in the Bible you can repeat over and 3757 02:59:31.200 --> 02:59:33.479 over again to curse someone. There's passages in the Bible 3758 02:59:33.559 --> 02:59:36.280 you can use for protection, for healing, you know, the 3759 02:59:37.239 --> 02:59:39.440 and then each character in the Bible you can summon 3760 02:59:40.040 --> 02:59:42.399 and then they will answer your questions, they'll help you out. 3761 02:59:42.440 --> 02:59:44.760 You can summon Raphael, you could summon David. 3762 02:59:45.239 --> 02:59:48.040 You know that being said, and I know we're getting 3763 02:59:48.079 --> 02:59:49.959 We've been going for three hours, and I know that 3764 02:59:50.120 --> 02:59:52.440 it's far longer than in this conversation. 3765 02:59:52.479 --> 02:59:55.280 Yeah, and I appreciate both of you for sticking through this. 3766 02:59:55.680 --> 02:59:58.040 I did want to ask one final question, all right, 3767 02:59:58.120 --> 03:00:00.280 and and we may even have to get y'all on 3768 03:00:00.319 --> 03:00:02.639 the show to do this even deeper and further, honestly, 3769 03:00:03.280 --> 03:00:07.120 But I've heard both of you mention certain figures from 3770 03:00:07.159 --> 03:00:11.360 biblical sources. I heard you mentioned earlier Key of Solomon. 3771 03:00:11.879 --> 03:00:14.319 I've heard things be mentioned from Old Testament and some 3772 03:00:14.440 --> 03:00:17.399 New Testament. Lord Byron, I think I know where you 3773 03:00:17.440 --> 03:00:19.399 stand as far as what you believe as far as 3774 03:00:19.399 --> 03:00:20.120 the Bible goes. 3775 03:00:20.159 --> 03:00:21.079 And no, I do not. 3776 03:00:21.280 --> 03:00:23.760 Mean do you believe in Christianity. I'm talking about the 3777 03:00:23.760 --> 03:00:28.639 book itself and the the what some would call truth, 3778 03:00:28.680 --> 03:00:32.239 what some would call myth js. What is your take 3779 03:00:32.360 --> 03:00:35.920 on the Bible and the Torah in that realm of things, 3780 03:00:35.959 --> 03:00:39.280 as far as the historical and factual truth behind it? 3781 03:00:40.280 --> 03:00:40.719 All right? 3782 03:00:41.639 --> 03:00:44.719 I think that there's probably a lot of stuff that's 3783 03:00:44.760 --> 03:00:47.159 true in the Bible, and I think there's probably a 3784 03:00:47.159 --> 03:00:50.799 lot of stuff that's bullshit. And that's pretty much what 3785 03:00:51.000 --> 03:00:54.000 I've found to be true about every grid more religious 3786 03:00:54.000 --> 03:00:56.000 book that I've studied. I mean, I study all religious 3787 03:00:56.399 --> 03:00:58.719 and I digged through the system and try to find 3788 03:00:58.840 --> 03:01:01.840 the gold within this system. So I mean Jesus gave 3789 03:01:01.920 --> 03:01:04.280 curses in the Bible, like Byron just mentioned. You know, 3790 03:01:04.280 --> 03:01:07.920 have you ever heard of dusting your feet? Right? 3791 03:01:08.159 --> 03:01:10.040 He saw about when you leave town, dust your feet 3792 03:01:10.079 --> 03:01:10.959 off and keep walking. 3793 03:01:11.200 --> 03:01:13.840 Yeah, and that city will suffer the same fate as 3794 03:01:13.879 --> 03:01:16.799 Sodom and Gomora or whatever it says. It's actually a 3795 03:01:16.799 --> 03:01:19.319 band practice in Christianity because it was considered to be 3796 03:01:19.399 --> 03:01:22.639 so so brutal, but it was. That's a curse that 3797 03:01:22.680 --> 03:01:25.399 you could use to destroy an entire city, all right, 3798 03:01:25.440 --> 03:01:28.079 And so if you use the Bible like a grimore, 3799 03:01:28.120 --> 03:01:29.559 like a magic grimoire, then. 3800 03:01:29.520 --> 03:01:30.440 That's a technology. 3801 03:01:31.000 --> 03:01:34.479 Yeah, it's very easy to siphon through that and find 3802 03:01:34.479 --> 03:01:37.399 the shit that works, the stuff that you can actually use. 3803 03:01:39.360 --> 03:01:41.440 Do I think Abraham was a good guy? 3804 03:01:42.239 --> 03:01:42.520 Fuck? 3805 03:01:42.719 --> 03:01:47.079 No, you know, like like, do I think circumcision is 3806 03:01:47.120 --> 03:01:48.959 a good thing? Let me ask you this. If a 3807 03:01:48.959 --> 03:01:51.559 bunch of Satanists got together and say, you know, we're 3808 03:01:51.600 --> 03:01:54.879 gonna start chopping the tips everybody's little little boy's penis off, 3809 03:01:55.440 --> 03:01:58.360 you know, and the rabbis, the Jewish rabbis, they'll suck 3810 03:01:58.399 --> 03:02:00.879 the blood out of the fucking thing after they snip 3811 03:02:00.920 --> 03:02:05.200 it off. Okay, how is this acceptable? How is this 3812 03:02:05.239 --> 03:02:08.399 fucking practice acceptable? Person of all, I want the tip 3813 03:02:08.399 --> 03:02:11.600 of my penis back, and the doctor was still alive 3814 03:02:11.680 --> 03:02:13.799 that did that to me, I'd go chop his off too. 3815 03:02:14.520 --> 03:02:18.200 That's how I feel about circumcision. That is mutilating a 3816 03:02:18.319 --> 03:02:23.799 child's genitals shortly after birth. It traumatizes and scars them forever. 3817 03:02:23.959 --> 03:02:27.079 Twenty four thousand nerve endings in the tip of your foreskin. 3818 03:02:27.399 --> 03:02:31.079 All right, these are Christian Abrahamic practices, and nobody calls 3819 03:02:31.120 --> 03:02:32.600 them out for being fucking evil. 3820 03:02:33.200 --> 03:02:36.479 Yeah, And imagine how bad that fractures your psyche at 3821 03:02:36.479 --> 03:02:38.079 that young of an age because they strap you into 3822 03:02:38.120 --> 03:02:40.639 this cold table, defintely helpless. You don't have your parent, 3823 03:02:40.760 --> 03:02:43.600 you know, and and having at such a young age 3824 03:02:43.600 --> 03:02:46.000 that there's no way you can really do like shadow 3825 03:02:46.040 --> 03:02:48.200 work and really work it all out, like it just 3826 03:02:48.280 --> 03:02:49.200 fractures you, you know. 3827 03:02:49.440 --> 03:02:50.479 Yeah. 3828 03:02:51.000 --> 03:02:54.719 Fair, fair, So that being said, as far as that's 3829 03:02:54.719 --> 03:02:56.239 what you mean, As far as like the bullshit that 3830 03:02:56.280 --> 03:02:58.120 can be found in the Bible or what you claim 3831 03:02:58.280 --> 03:02:59.360 or what you believe. 3832 03:02:59.079 --> 03:03:01.040 It, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of 3833 03:03:01.120 --> 03:03:04.319 stories in the Bible that are probably made up to 3834 03:03:04.559 --> 03:03:08.440 give you examples of morality and things like that or 3835 03:03:08.440 --> 03:03:10.840 what they proceed to be morality. But also think a 3836 03:03:10.840 --> 03:03:14.959 lot of things in there troop too, Okay, So like historically, 3837 03:03:15.079 --> 03:03:17.200 I mean, yeah, I think Moses was a real person. 3838 03:03:17.280 --> 03:03:20.079 And you know whether or not Noah built an arc 3839 03:03:20.200 --> 03:03:22.159 or not and put two of every animal on it. 3840 03:03:22.639 --> 03:03:26.520 That doesn't sound very feasible to me. I could see 3841 03:03:26.559 --> 03:03:30.719 like collecting DNA from from all these different animals, yeah, 3842 03:03:30.840 --> 03:03:34.120 but not actually putting two buffalow and two elephant and 3843 03:03:34.159 --> 03:03:37.479 do everything on a fucking boat. It's not possible. So 3844 03:03:37.479 --> 03:03:42.799 so I believe that, you know, things get get misconstrued 3845 03:03:42.840 --> 03:03:46.760 and misinterpreted over time. I also believe that a lot 3846 03:03:46.760 --> 03:03:51.079 of it is written intentionally false in order to be 3847 03:03:51.159 --> 03:03:54.159 a control mechanism. All right, there's a lot of fear, 3848 03:03:54.280 --> 03:03:56.239 a lot of fire and brimstone in there. 3849 03:03:56.760 --> 03:03:56.959 Yeah. 3850 03:03:58.000 --> 03:04:00.159 It also says you should do whatever your government and 3851 03:04:00.159 --> 03:04:01.959 says because governments were appointed by. 3852 03:04:01.799 --> 03:04:05.280 God, yes, and unless they go against the word of God. 3853 03:04:05.319 --> 03:04:08.319 There's multiple examples where the law of the land told 3854 03:04:08.360 --> 03:04:11.840 the followers to commit this sacrifice or you'll be put 3855 03:04:11.879 --> 03:04:13.319 to death, and they're like, well, we're not going to 3856 03:04:13.360 --> 03:04:15.479 do that sacrifice. Because it's to a pagan god, so 3857 03:04:15.520 --> 03:04:17.680 they would go against the law. So like it, you know, 3858 03:04:17.799 --> 03:04:19.680 within the realm of acceptable behavior. 3859 03:04:19.920 --> 03:04:23.239 Yeah, but I really like, just to finish what I 3860 03:04:23.280 --> 03:04:25.840 was saying there, I really feel like anything that rules 3861 03:04:25.840 --> 03:04:27.600 you out of fear is evil. 3862 03:04:27.959 --> 03:04:28.280 All right. 3863 03:04:28.319 --> 03:04:31.000 That's my definition of evil. If it rules me out 3864 03:04:31.040 --> 03:04:34.200 of fear or attempts to anything that seeks to dominate 3865 03:04:34.399 --> 03:04:38.360 or control me is evil. And I revolt against anything 3866 03:04:38.399 --> 03:04:41.520 that seeks to dominate and control me, that includes people 3867 03:04:41.840 --> 03:04:42.760 and or gods. 3868 03:04:43.399 --> 03:04:44.719 That's fair very well. 3869 03:04:45.000 --> 03:04:47.520 Well, look, I mean we could, honestly, we could have 3870 03:04:47.600 --> 03:04:50.000 this conversation all damn night. This has been so much fun, 3871 03:04:50.040 --> 03:04:52.760 and you know, I love getting the different perspectives, and 3872 03:04:52.799 --> 03:04:56.079 we appreciate you guys coming on the show and spending 3873 03:04:56.079 --> 03:04:56.719 the night with us. 3874 03:04:56.760 --> 03:04:59.920 But there was some pretty fire tangents in some of the. 3875 03:05:00.280 --> 03:05:05.040 Yeah, there was Yeah. 3876 03:05:05.440 --> 03:05:05.680 Sure. 3877 03:05:05.760 --> 03:05:08.040 I was like driving on a road trip and I 3878 03:05:08.079 --> 03:05:10.000 was listening to this, I'd like, damn, dude, these guys 3879 03:05:10.000 --> 03:05:11.559 are these guys are dropping bars. 3880 03:05:13.680 --> 03:05:15.799 It was a good show, man. We appreciate you guys 3881 03:05:15.799 --> 03:05:16.319 so much. 3882 03:05:17.200 --> 03:05:17.440 Uh. 3883 03:05:17.520 --> 03:05:19.760 I guess, well, if anybody wants to be able to 3884 03:05:19.760 --> 03:05:21.079 reach out to either one of you, guys. I guess 3885 03:05:21.120 --> 03:05:22.920 Byron will start with you. If anybody wants to be 3886 03:05:22.920 --> 03:05:24.879 able to find you any of your work, where would 3887 03:05:24.879 --> 03:05:25.239 they go to? 3888 03:05:25.360 --> 03:05:25.559 Sir? 3889 03:05:26.600 --> 03:05:30.000 My main YouTube channels at my apotheosis and then Lord 3890 03:05:30.040 --> 03:05:32.959 Byron jest there all over case yeah, Instagram and. 3891 03:05:33.040 --> 03:05:35.200 YouTube gotcha, gotcha? 3892 03:05:35.200 --> 03:05:40.040 And j S Yeah. My website's jays Garrett dot net. Uh, 3893 03:05:40.200 --> 03:05:42.879 Lord Byron here actually makes all our radi ONX machines 3894 03:05:42.879 --> 03:05:43.399 that we sell. 3895 03:05:45.000 --> 03:05:45.840 Did I show you this? 3896 03:05:46.399 --> 03:05:47.040 No you didn't. 3897 03:05:47.200 --> 03:05:50.799 This is a super vampire box. So here's the regular one. 3898 03:05:50.840 --> 03:05:50.959 Here. 3899 03:05:51.280 --> 03:05:55.200 Here's this one, nice guys too, epjack to apo jacks 3900 03:05:55.239 --> 03:05:58.600 super beefed up amplifier, beefed up power supply. Then also 3901 03:05:58.639 --> 03:06:00.200 has these holes in it so you can hate it 3902 03:06:00.280 --> 03:06:01.479 up on right above your altar. 3903 03:06:02.079 --> 03:06:06.520 Hell yeah. The other place you find is YouTube is 3904 03:06:06.559 --> 03:06:09.760 called Hijacking Reality. You just type in js Garrett and 3905 03:06:09.760 --> 03:06:12.920 that'll come up. So that's the two places. The website, 3906 03:06:13.000 --> 03:06:18.079 my YouTube awesome awesome with two t's, yes, yeah. 3907 03:06:18.040 --> 03:06:21.920 With two tea's all right, and two rs? But is 3908 03:06:21.959 --> 03:06:24.159 it two rs and two teas? And Garrett gotcha? 3909 03:06:24.200 --> 03:06:24.559 All right? 3910 03:06:24.799 --> 03:06:26.639 Yeah, we'll have both of those or all of those 3911 03:06:26.680 --> 03:06:28.799 links down in the show notes below. Thank you guys 3912 03:06:28.840 --> 03:06:30.639 so much for coming and hanging out with us. If 3913 03:06:30.639 --> 03:06:32.399 anybody wants to be able to support the show, and 3914 03:06:32.440 --> 03:06:34.360 the best way possible would be to go to Patreon 3915 03:06:34.399 --> 03:06:37.200 dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy Podcast. 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