Speaker 1: Oh, redal tess Are and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan.
Speaker 3: I'm Jacobin.
Speaker 4: Today we got a long awaited show.
Speaker 2: It's been talked about for weeks now and it's finally here.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Well, Lord Byron Jester. First of all,
Speaker 2: how you doing today, sir?
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm fantastic.
Speaker 4: How you guys doing awesome?
Speaker 2: Awesome man, And also accompanying him would be JS Garrett.
Speaker 4: What's up, dude?
Speaker 6: Hey, how's going man? Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we've been talking about this for a
Speaker 2: little while, just trying to understand your side over there,
Speaker 2: and you know, and yeah, well, I mean you came
Speaker 2: on too Meta Mysteries a couple of months ago, and
Speaker 2: that was a fascinating conversation. I absolutely loved it, me
Speaker 2: and Sean both and of course Byron, you know, you're
Speaker 2: our first magician friend, so you're I mean, you've made
Speaker 2: more appearances on Meta Mysteries than I think anybody else,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of your home away from home there.
Speaker 4: But uh, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's been really looking forward to this conversation,
Speaker 2: and mainly because well, we have a few questions. I
Speaker 2: mainly kind of wanted you and Jacob to go back
Speaker 2: and forth because I've already had the conversation with you.
Speaker 2: But if you could maybe explain what it is you do, Okay.
Speaker 6: I'll do my best to sum that up, and as
Speaker 6: few words as possible here, A.
Speaker 3: Few words, whatever, long words.
Speaker 7: Either way, it goes for anybody who is a listener
Speaker 7: of the Cult of Conspiracy who has never heard any
Speaker 7: bit of the work that you do, how you got
Speaker 7: started it, to what levels it goes, give us the
Speaker 7: overarching elevator speech, if you will, all right.
Speaker 6: Cool, Well, I'm a professional black magician. Some people would
Speaker 6: call you a ceremonial magician. I don't really do ceremonies.
Speaker 6: I perform rituals specifically to cause action at a distance.
Speaker 6: Whereas ceremonies is exactly that it's it's it's a it's
Speaker 6: a ceremony for show. We're actually using metaphysics to try
Speaker 6: to create change in reality. So I do a lot
Speaker 6: of a lot of saprificial rights professionally. One of the
Speaker 6: only people I've ever heard of that offers that is
Speaker 6: a you know, to the general public, and you know
Speaker 6: that usually consists of chopping something's head off in the
Speaker 6: ritual circle during a black magic ritual operation I work.
Speaker 6: You know, I think about being a black magicians. We
Speaker 6: don't have any rules. We don't you know, we make
Speaker 6: our own rules.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I can dip into any pathy on It doesn't have
Speaker 6: to be a system that you know that you're born into.
Speaker 6: It doesn't it doesn't really matter. You know, A black
Speaker 6: magician can can delve into any system and find the
Speaker 6: gold within it and use it for his practice, his
Speaker 6: or her practice. So yeah, I work a lot with demons.
Speaker 6: I work a lot with angelics and gin and things
Speaker 6: like that as well, pretty much anything that's willing to
Speaker 6: work with me that I can build a solid working
Speaker 6: relationship with anything that's willing to accept a ritual sacrifice
Speaker 6: in exchange for doing something for me or for someone else.
Speaker 6: So I mean, that's that's that's really the best way
Speaker 6: I could put it. Man kind of kind of do
Speaker 6: a little bit of everything, mostly do healing and things
Speaker 6: like that. That's why you know, most people come to me.
Speaker 6: I don't offer like curses for hire because I'll be
Speaker 6: getting hired to curse people that don't deserve it. And
Speaker 6: I only hear one side of the story. So if
Speaker 6: someone wants something like that, they're you know, they're gonna
Speaker 6: have to have some paperwork or something showing me that
Speaker 6: it's like a registered s O or something like that.
Speaker 6: So I'm not I'm not above doing that by any means.
Speaker 6: But yeah, just someone would have to book me for
Speaker 6: a consultation to talk me into it.
Speaker 3: Got you.
Speaker 7: So I got a couple of questions right off the
Speaker 7: rip you are. You don't seem to be an elderly
Speaker 7: gentleman by any means. So how long would you say
Speaker 7: that you have been performing? Would it be correct to
Speaker 7: say the dark arts? I don't want to miss label.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's you're not gonna fit me
Speaker 6: by miss labeling anything. Okay, Well, I mean I'm almost forty,
Speaker 6: about to turn forty here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: I did my first ritual when I was ten years old.
Speaker 6: My first spell I was a curse. Actually, I believe
Speaker 6: that someone had harmed my mother, and you know, I
Speaker 6: was ten years old. What was I going to do?
Speaker 6: But I want to do something about it, So like
Speaker 6: I'll throw some voodoo at that motherfucker. So, yeah, I
Speaker 6: had a friend over for a sleepover. Me and him
Speaker 6: and my little brother like sat in a triangle and
Speaker 6: actually melted down campbells and made like a wax voodoo
Speaker 6: doll of this guy and so it turns stabbing it
Speaker 6: and then then performed like a mock a mock ritual
Speaker 6: burial after we were done, and that hit pretty hard.
Speaker 6: So then, I mean it was like two weeks later
Speaker 6: a tree fell on this asshole and broke half the
Speaker 6: bones in his body. And I'm all right, voodoo works, man.
Speaker 6: So I mean I became obsessed with it at a
Speaker 6: very young age. I didn't start practicing at hardcore until
Speaker 6: about at twenty twelve, you know, that's when I really
Speaker 6: started practicing art course a little over ten years. I've
Speaker 6: been doing this professionally for eight years now.
Speaker 7: Okay, so I got some questions on the professional nature
Speaker 7: of it. But first off, ten years old, for reasons,
Speaker 7: you feel like you need to make something happen in
Speaker 7: your tense. You know your your resources are limited as
Speaker 7: far as enacting some bad shit on this guy.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 7: Where did you get the idea to do candles and
Speaker 7: make a wax voodoo doll and bury it? Like and
Speaker 7: especially now that you are somebody who has been in
Speaker 7: this world for a good while, I'm sure you look
Speaker 7: back at that and laugh, like I thought I was
Speaker 7: doing this. I was actually doing this, silly me. I
Speaker 7: didn't know any better. Where did you get the inspiration
Speaker 7: and the uh just the mechanics of that particular ritual
Speaker 7: at ten years old?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean i'd obviously probably heard about voodoo dolls
Speaker 6: from TV, from movies. Sure, that was the first thing
Speaker 6: that popped to mind. So I'm sure I probably seen
Speaker 6: that in the movie somewhere. I didn't really know how
Speaker 6: to do it, so I just I just really thought
Speaker 6: about it for a while, the kind of meditated on it,
Speaker 6: and it just kind of came to me like, all right,
Speaker 6: well it makes sense. You know, I make a wax doll,
Speaker 6: gotta melt some wax down, and I knew I needed
Speaker 6: the person's hair to do it. I don't know, instinctively
Speaker 6: call it.
Speaker 3: From movies of that too, that's allway.
Speaker 7: What was that a practical magic back in the day,
Speaker 7: they got their teacher's shoe or their hair or whatever
Speaker 7: made the little Barbie doll do shit in the class?
Speaker 7: You know, eighties movies are wild and shit, I get it.
Speaker 6: So that's probably where I got my ideas from. It
Speaker 6: is hard to remember which which movies I had seen
Speaker 6: at that age, but you know the rest of it,
Speaker 6: I just kind of winged it. You know, I knew
Speaker 6: I needed. I instinctively knew that I needed like raw
Speaker 6: anger and rage. Yeah, they needed a fetish link, and
Speaker 6: so I obtained that, which was the hair carved their
Speaker 6: name and birthday into the dolls chest with like a
Speaker 6: long sharp needle. And yeah, we just took turns stabbing it,
Speaker 6: and just I stabbed the doll until I destroyed it
Speaker 6: for one but and so I felt better about it,
Speaker 6: you know, like exhausted my anger during that, and I
Speaker 6: just I had absolute confidence that it was going to
Speaker 6: do something, you know, and it did.
Speaker 3: It brought up a term called the fetish link.
Speaker 7: Now, for a lot of people, they may not know
Speaker 7: what you mean by that, right, So fetish has different connotations,
Speaker 7: especially in our modern English of vernacular. They're gonna think
Speaker 7: you mean some BDSM fifty shades the bullshit things up
Speaker 7: in here.
Speaker 3: So recently we.
Speaker 7: Did an episode talking about the Dogon tribe in Africa. Right,
Speaker 7: they are very superstitious people and they have alters with
Speaker 7: their fetishes on it. We kind of talked about it briefly,
Speaker 7: but can you go into depth about what you mean
Speaker 7: by that as a fetish link for magic?
Speaker 6: Okay, all right? So what I mean by that is
Speaker 6: something of the person's or you know, like a piece
Speaker 6: of them hair, fingernails, blood, DNA, or you know, something
Speaker 6: that it belongs to them that they've had a lot
Speaker 6: of physical contact with. Could work for something like that,
Speaker 6: like a piece of jewelry that that person has worn,
Speaker 6: or if you have none of that, then you make
Speaker 6: your own fed link out of the photo. So I
Speaker 6: got a photo printer. I do that for clients Adam
Speaker 6: sending their pictures, Send me your name, send me your birthday,
Speaker 6: and yeah, you create your own fetish link using that
Speaker 6: picture of the person. That's a that's a representation of
Speaker 6: that person in this holographic matrix that we're living in
Speaker 6: and printed out pictures work great.
Speaker 7: And you said that it's important that this is there,
Speaker 7: right Like, you can't. This is not something you can
Speaker 7: do off of intention alone. Is it possible to perform
Speaker 7: a ritual or sacrifice or ceremony to whatever level? Again,
Speaker 7: not trying to miss label that you do, but you
Speaker 7: have envisioned it so deeply in hardcore in your mind
Speaker 7: that that would work as a fetish link or does
Speaker 7: there actually have to be something physical as a part
Speaker 7: of the ordeal?
Speaker 6: Okay, so I'll say that you can do spellcraft on
Speaker 6: another person without that fetish link. Obviously, you have to
Speaker 6: know who they are. You need to know their name
Speaker 6: and you know what. You need to know who your
Speaker 6: target is, you know, but the fetish link helps, it
Speaker 6: really helps, especially if it's DNA. I mean, because if
Speaker 6: you were going to make for sympathetic magic anyway, you
Speaker 6: really need something like that. Where I say sympathetic magic,
Speaker 6: that would be like using a voodoo doll. You're you're
Speaker 6: trying if you were going to make a doll of
Speaker 6: somebody and put some of them in that doll, what
Speaker 6: you're trying to do is quantumly entangle that doll with
Speaker 6: that person to energetically, so whatever you do to the
Speaker 6: doll happens to them. So with evocation you don't need
Speaker 6: any of that stuff. That's where you would actually summon
Speaker 6: a demon and ask them to go after that person
Speaker 6: for you do something specific. So let's say I want
Speaker 6: to attack somebody and I don't know who they are.
Speaker 6: I'll give you an example. If somebody that's been flying
Speaker 6: a drone around my house at night, trying to peek
Speaker 6: in the windows, trying to get a look at me
Speaker 6: out in the backyard doing what I'm doing, I'm just like, Okay, look,
Speaker 6: could be anybody within a you know, two or three
Speaker 6: mile radius to hear. So how would I deal with
Speaker 6: that person? Well, I might not know who they are,
Speaker 6: but I bet a demon will. So I would summon
Speaker 6: a demon and say, hey, whoever's flying is drone around
Speaker 6: my house peeking in the windows. And I have not
Speaker 6: done this yet, I was considering doing this. Obviously there's
Speaker 6: a good chance that some stupid kid with a drone
Speaker 6: messing around. Just that's the case, then okay, I'm not
Speaker 6: worried about it. At least, I don't want anybody looking
Speaker 6: at my windows at night. But I mean, I'm more
Speaker 6: worried about the fifty year old pervert that you know
Speaker 6: lives in someone's basement.
Speaker 3: You know, that's another question.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 7: Let's say that that is the case the drone situation.
Speaker 7: You sick a demon on this person. You don't know
Speaker 7: if it's a kid or if it's a fifty year
Speaker 7: old man, will the demon have the morality to say,
Speaker 7: urch a, wait a second, that's a twelve year old
Speaker 7: fucking off. Maybe I shouldn't go and deal with this
Speaker 7: or will they just kind of do as they're commanded
Speaker 7: to do?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I don't command them at all,
Speaker 6: excuse me. The second of all, that depends on the demon,
Speaker 6: and I would definitely want to specify that if I
Speaker 6: were going to perform that operation, like, Hey, if this
Speaker 6: is a kid, I'm not worried about it, don't do anything.
Speaker 6: But if it's on perverb trying to get a look at,
Speaker 6: you know, my girlfriend through the window or something, then
Speaker 6: take them out. I don't care how you take them out,
Speaker 6: just take them out. I don't everyone to see that
Speaker 6: drone flying around my house again. So that's how I
Speaker 6: would deal with that.
Speaker 8: And you know, most of most magicians will use or
Speaker 8: witches whatever you want to call them, will use sympathetic
Speaker 8: magic if they're wing to attack someone.
Speaker 6: Very few people are skilled enough to thought forms or
Speaker 6: work with demonic anentities successfully to attack someone, and even
Speaker 6: the ones that are capable of it, a lot of
Speaker 6: times they'll still use sympathetic magic for some reason.
Speaker 7: So if you could break this down a little deeper,
Speaker 7: sympathetic magic and then use the term thought forms to
Speaker 7: evoke a demon break down a little bit deeper what
Speaker 7: you mean by this? What is sympathetic magic and how
Speaker 7: does that differ from I don't want to use like
Speaker 7: candle magic obviously uses candles, but like sympathetic magic as
Speaker 7: opposed to what other types.
Speaker 6: Yes, sympathetic magic is where you know what like for instance,
Speaker 6: making a doll or making a love jar or a
Speaker 6: cursed jar, something that you're doing arts and craft wise
Speaker 6: to go along with this, where you'd want something of
Speaker 6: that person's to link the energy to this. If you
Speaker 6: were going to make like a hex bag or something
Speaker 6: or poison jar, you would want a fetish link to
Speaker 6: put in there, and that would be considered sympathetic magic.
Speaker 6: Whereas attacking someone with thought forms or demonic evocation, there
Speaker 6: is none of that. All I have to do is
Speaker 6: successfully someone that entity and negotiate with them to do
Speaker 6: what I'm asking them to do. And I always pay
Speaker 6: up front, I pay in advance. That's where the sacrifice
Speaker 6: comes in, because I don't like.
Speaker 9: To owe anybody anything, and I don't want to owe
Speaker 9: any entity anything either, So you know, I will offer
Speaker 9: them a sacrifice along with a petition to do what
Speaker 9: I'm asking in exchange for that sacrifice.
Speaker 6: Now, can they screw me and take the sacrifice and
Speaker 6: not do what I ask them? Absolutely? Really, they you know,
Speaker 6: they probably are not going to do that if you
Speaker 6: approach them respectfully. It's like if the spirit does not
Speaker 6: respect you, they're not going to help you, you know,
Speaker 6: or they might teach you a stupid lesson, you know.
Speaker 6: But if you approach them in the right way and
Speaker 6: from a place of strength and confidence and ultimately respect,
Speaker 6: you know, having if you're going to invite an important
Speaker 6: person of or your house for dinner, or anyone or
Speaker 6: just over your house to ask them for a favor,
Speaker 6: you'd offer from something to drink, you'd all for something
Speaker 6: to eat, you clean your kitchen, you know, like you
Speaker 6: would treat that person with respect. So I do the
Speaker 6: same thing when I work with entities. I have a
Speaker 6: nice meal prepared for them, and that is usually a rooster.
Speaker 2: So we like a few years ago, we had this
Speaker 2: guest on and he is a self proclaimed Reptilian channeler,
Speaker 2: and and it almost sounds very similar as to what
Speaker 2: you're talking about as for your work with demons, because
Speaker 2: he was basically saying, look, you gotta you got to
Speaker 2: go in with a certain level of confidence, so they're
Speaker 2: just gonna boss you around the whole time, and they're
Speaker 2: very you know, uh, I don't know what the.
Speaker 7: Term the types of reptiles who was something over the
Speaker 7: Alpha Draconians, which are like a warring dickhead style tribe
Speaker 7: of the extraterrestrial variety. He's basically saying, if you're not
Speaker 7: coming in there like you have the biggest stick in
Speaker 7: the room, they're gonna treat you like a bit. You
Speaker 7: had to come in with some swagger to even have
Speaker 7: the conversation, right yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 6: That's why most people recommend, like been working with Gin,
Speaker 6: especially violent Gin, that you carry a sword in the
Speaker 6: in the ritual space with you, Like they'll actually tell
Speaker 6: you to wear a sword. You know, I'll be standing
Speaker 6: there like this. You know that's acting like a threat,
Speaker 6: but having a weapon is a.
Speaker 3: Show of strength. Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: Okay, So I got many many questions to follow up on,
Speaker 7: but real quick, you just said a gin and it
Speaker 7: sounds like you are distinguishing them as separate entities from demons.
Speaker 7: Can you give me a breakdown is what the differences are,
Speaker 7: if there are any? Or are you using these terms interchangeably?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 6: Okay me personally, I don't think there's much of a
Speaker 6: difference all right, other than how cultures describe entities.
Speaker 7: Most scholars would agree with you, But the way you've
Speaker 7: been using it, I'm just making sure. Is there a
Speaker 7: difference between calling upon a gen versus calling upon a demon?
Speaker 6: Probably specific, right, I think it's really just the label
Speaker 6: that we slap on them.
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, that's fair because the Gin are more of
Speaker 7: the Arabic variety, but by their definition and by their depictions,
Speaker 7: they are what some of the more western scholarly types
Speaker 7: would classify as demonic entities.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 6: Just here, like the ars Gaetia, you know, it's got
Speaker 6: the list of the seventy two demons or gin that
Speaker 6: King Solomon worked with and then bound in the Brass vessel. Well,
Speaker 6: I mean, according to the Keys of Solomon, those are Gin,
Speaker 6: all right, But most people refer to them as demons.
Speaker 6: The Christians definitely refer to them as demons, right, So
Speaker 6: what exactly are they? What's the difference. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you'd be able to really tell a difference if
Speaker 6: a gin and an angel and a demon were all
Speaker 6: standing next to each other. I don't think you be
Speaker 6: to tell them apart.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough? Okay.
Speaker 7: So you said that you like to pay up front
Speaker 7: and you don't want to owe anyone anything. So you
Speaker 7: are saying that there are practitioners or even I don't
Speaker 7: want to say, want to be practitioners or beginners who
Speaker 7: will make deals with these demons, but they are not
Speaker 7: paying up fronts. They end up owing a demon. What
Speaker 7: does that look like on the back end of that?
Speaker 6: All right? So, I mean one, one example of what
Speaker 6: you just said would be to make a pact with
Speaker 6: a demon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's, you.
Speaker 6: Know, quid pro qube, like you do to make.
Speaker 3: A deal with the devil if you will.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, So so you would have it and you
Speaker 6: write it like a legal contract. And I have done
Speaker 6: this before and I've done it. I've helped other people
Speaker 6: do it as well, and it was it was successful,
Speaker 6: but they held up their end of the bargain each time.
Speaker 6: So you would say, you know, I'm asking you to
Speaker 6: do this for me, and if you agree to do
Speaker 6: this for me and this certain time period, then I
Speaker 6: will do this for you, you know. So one thing
Speaker 6: that you might put in a pact is say, if
Speaker 6: you'll help me, then I'll build an altar for you
Speaker 6: in my temple and I'll make you a blood offering
Speaker 6: once a week. You know, I'll offer you my blood
Speaker 6: onto your sigil and then burn it to feed you
Speaker 6: blood and blood essence and my personal energy. Or I
Speaker 6: might put I'll give you ten sacrifices if you do
Speaker 6: this for me. Well, if you do make a pact
Speaker 6: and the demon holds up their end and you don't
Speaker 6: hold up your end, then that pack is going to
Speaker 6: fly apart on you. It is going to end badly.
Speaker 6: You'll probably get what you asked for, and then it
Speaker 6: will turn sour and flip upside down on you, and
Speaker 6: you'll you have only yourself to blame if you make
Speaker 6: a deal and you don't keep your end of the bargain.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I mean I would agree with that statement.
Speaker 7: I just just to you know, what does that look
Speaker 7: like as far as would they go back on their
Speaker 7: deal at that point or is it you know, I
Speaker 7: guess it depends on the deal and It depends on
Speaker 7: the situation. Is this something where it was a one
Speaker 7: shot or deal and now you're on the hook for
Speaker 7: the next ten years, or is it something that you know,
Speaker 7: a relationship that you ask this demon to make happen
Speaker 7: for you in that relationship five years, ten years down
Speaker 7: the road gets ripped away from you.
Speaker 3: It I guess it's situationally based.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 7: Now you brought up ceremonial magic and you say that
Speaker 7: that is more for show what you do is by definition,
Speaker 7: would you call it more practical?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Right?
Speaker 7: Explain the difference between ceremonial magic and practical magic, because
Speaker 7: by what you're describing, you do perform a ceremony for
Speaker 7: the sacrifice, right, So is it what is the differences here?
Speaker 6: Well, to me, I really feel like the difference between
Speaker 6: a ceremony and a ritual is a ceremony is done
Speaker 6: for the sake of doing the ceremony, whereas a ritual
Speaker 6: is done for a specific purpose to cause something to
Speaker 6: happen as a result of that working. So, uh, Satanic orders,
Speaker 6: you know they have they have ceremonies. Catholic Mass is
Speaker 6: a ceremony. Yeah, it's it's a it's it's a it's
Speaker 6: that's all it is. It's just a ceremony.
Speaker 3: And so a black mass as opposed to.
Speaker 7: Doing a sacrifice to get a certain response directly, right,
Speaker 7: got you?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 7: Now you said also that you are cutting off the
Speaker 7: head or sacrificing of the animal.
Speaker 3: There's blood involved.
Speaker 7: What types of animals my background of this, Jonathan has
Speaker 7: told me that chickens get used pretty regularly, and I
Speaker 7: mean there's plenty of movies that will show that. I mean,
Speaker 7: it was a weekend at Bernie's two where they use
Speaker 7: a pigeon instead of a chicken. So the dude only
Speaker 7: like gets up and walks around when there's music playing
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 3: There's you know, they make spoofs of these things.
Speaker 7: Now does it matter what type of animal that you're
Speaker 7: doing for this?
Speaker 6: Okay? So if that can depend on the entity, if
Speaker 6: they have a preference, like it might you know, say
Speaker 6: in a grimoire, you know, this spirit prefers this as
Speaker 6: a sacrifice. They could prefer a rabbit as opposed to
Speaker 6: a chicken, something like that. But the reason that that
Speaker 6: most people use chickens is it's practical. They're they're easy
Speaker 6: to usually and they provide a large amount of blood,
Speaker 6: which is the more blood the better in a sacrifice.
Speaker 6: The more blood the more energy, as well as the size.
Speaker 6: If you're going to burn the sacrifice instead of eat
Speaker 6: it afterwards, then the size of the animal matters too,
Speaker 6: because what you're doing is you're putting that is a
Speaker 6: sacrifice of burning flesh and blood. So you would make
Speaker 6: What I do is I make a circle and a
Speaker 6: triangle around a fire pit. The fire pit will be
Speaker 6: in the very center. I'll summon the entity that I
Speaker 6: want to work with into the flames. Flame is a
Speaker 6: spiritual gateway and it works very very well. The flame
Speaker 6: also transmutes energy. If energy can't be created or destroyed,
Speaker 6: all you can do is transform then that fire. The
Speaker 6: way I see it is transforming that blood in that
Speaker 6: flesh into a type of energy that can be fully
Speaker 6: absorbed and eaten by that spirit to give them strength
Speaker 6: and power. And this works for people too. My most
Speaker 6: famous rituals, I call it the right of deification. That's
Speaker 6: where I actually we'll have my client lay down and
Speaker 6: go to sleep at a specific time, and I will
Speaker 6: do that same type of ritual, only I will pull
Speaker 6: them out of body and give a sacrifice directly to them,
Speaker 6: all right, that energy from that rooster absorbs directly into
Speaker 6: their physical body. They have done this for people with cancer,
Speaker 6: haven't disappear like I've done all kinds of crazy shit
Speaker 6: with this ritual.
Speaker 7: That was my next question is why would you said
Speaker 7: the sacrifice for deification. Why would someone need the energy
Speaker 7: of the chicken, the energy of the sacrifice for their body.
Speaker 3: So it's typically for healing.
Speaker 6: Typically for healing, either that or just overall enhancement. You know,
Speaker 6: a lot of magicians have had me do this ritual
Speaker 6: for them. It gives it. I mean, I'm basically just
Speaker 6: transferring all the energy from a rooster into the person.
Speaker 6: You can use that energy manifest this physical energy. Like
Speaker 6: you know, you won't sleep a lot after that. You know,
Speaker 6: you sleep for like two hours and then wake up
Speaker 6: and be ready to go, especially in the first few
Speaker 6: months afterwards. But for me, it helps me do my
Speaker 6: ritual work because one of these big sacrificial rights that
Speaker 6: I do multiple times a week, like one of them,
Speaker 6: used to wipe me out for at least a week.
Speaker 6: Like I'd do it and I'd be exhausted for a week,
Speaker 6: and so I started doing this ritual for myself, and
Speaker 6: I noticed that I could then do work these workings
Speaker 6: back to back to back without being completely exhausted. Like
Speaker 6: it gives me a reserve tank of energy to pull
Speaker 6: from in order to put into these workings. So it's
Speaker 6: it's it trumps vamporism, you.
Speaker 7: Know, Okay, fair enough now talking about that you you
Speaker 7: are transferring the life energy from this creature to yourself,
Speaker 7: not to your necessarily your body, or to your soul
Speaker 7: or to your essence kind of all the above.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all the above. I mean it's first absorbed by
Speaker 6: your energy body, and then that transfers into the physical
Speaker 6: body it appears to during sleep. So I find that
Speaker 6: the process, at least for me, takes about three days.
Speaker 7: To complete the ceremony or to feel the full effect.
Speaker 3: Like I have to say, damn it boy, three days jeeah.
Speaker 6: No, I can do. I can do the ritual in
Speaker 6: about four or five hours. Okay, that's from the time
Speaker 6: I start setting up to this time I finish. But
Speaker 6: I noticed that the energy when I do it for
Speaker 6: myself or when I've had other magicians do it for me.
Speaker 6: We exchange rituals with each other. I will notice that
Speaker 6: energy absorbing into me over about a three day period,
Speaker 6: like I'll feel it. I'll literally feel like electricity absorbing
Speaker 6: into my body.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's it's gonna.
Speaker 6: Be probably a little bit different for everyone, but most
Speaker 6: people react to it very similarly. You know, they have
Speaker 6: more energy, higher libido, their health issues clear up because
Speaker 6: your body knows how to heal itself, it just needs
Speaker 6: the sustenance to do it. So I'm not actually healing them.
Speaker 6: I'm just giving their the energy they need to heal themselves.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: With that being said, you said that the more blood
Speaker 7: the better, right, That's why you might use one animal
Speaker 7: versus another. Does that same rule apply to you whenever
Speaker 7: you're doing this type of ritual?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Okay, So just asking the dumb question here, why
Speaker 7: not sacrifice a pig, a cow, something very large with
Speaker 7: a lot of blood. Would that not be even more
Speaker 7: so in that realm? Or is it just a logistics
Speaker 7: issue at that point?
Speaker 6: No? Absolutely, Yeah, it's a practicality. I can't possibly bring
Speaker 6: a full grown cow into my backyard and incinerate its
Speaker 6: entire carcass. But I'm glad you asked that question, because yes,
Speaker 6: I do think that a cow or a horse or
Speaker 6: a pig would be way more powerful than a rooster,
Speaker 6: which is why I'm planning to buy a slaughterhouse in
Speaker 6: future that will give me access to these creatures. I'm
Speaker 6: actually going to set up ritual alters, you know, each
Speaker 6: sacrificial spot like it will be an altar to a
Speaker 6: different entity. So I'll be feeding these devil's blood twenty
Speaker 6: four to seven, all day, every day.
Speaker 7: To start a farm, man, yeah, I mean shit, I'm
Speaker 7: trying to start my own farm, but not to that purpose.
Speaker 7: It's strip just to feed my family on the cheap,
Speaker 7: cheap there's you know, the long term goal here.
Speaker 3: But fuck all right, yeah, farm would work too.
Speaker 6: And my grandparents were farmers. I remember them slaughtering their
Speaker 6: own cows and pigs and things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a great idea as well.
Speaker 3: Just the more economic way to do it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: Honestly, you slaughter one cow, you basically got beef for
Speaker 7: the whole year, as long as you got a deep freeze.
Speaker 7: I just you know, it's that upfront cost that's the
Speaker 7: bitch in the half. But anyway, all right, I'm sorry boys,
Speaker 7: I know Jonathan and Lord Byron. I know that we
Speaker 7: are kind of boguarding the conversation. If you'all do want
Speaker 7: to jump in, please do so. I have like a
Speaker 7: million questions.
Speaker 5: Well, when you're talking about being cheaper, like to raise
Speaker 5: your own cattle, it's also a lot more humane and ethical,
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, you know, because like one thing the
Speaker 5: vegans do have right is like factory farming is just
Speaker 5: an abomination.
Speaker 3: The industrial agriculture has absolutely been the pain of the earth.
Speaker 5: It's a holocaust that happens like every minute of every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with.
Speaker 2: That about right, just for anybody that is curious out there.
Speaker 2: And I do want you you guys to go back
Speaker 2: to your you know, your conversation that you're having, because
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of sitting over here entertained to be honest.
Speaker 2: But we've had conversations as far as well, how could
Speaker 2: you possibly be working with demons and angelic beings? And
Speaker 2: and how would you know the difference between an angel
Speaker 2: coming to help you as opposed to a demon. Wouldn't
Speaker 2: a demon just lie and say that they're an angel?
Speaker 2: Or do you absolutely know that whenever you call upon
Speaker 2: an angel, it absolutely is an angel?
Speaker 6: Now, I mean like I said, those are the labels
Speaker 6: that have been put on these beings by different religious organizations.
Speaker 6: We really don't know what they are, and I don't
Speaker 6: think that there's a difference between them really other than
Speaker 6: their personalities. And I'll tell you what angels can be
Speaker 6: just as terrifying, if not more. You know one angel,
Speaker 6: and how can I work with both? Because I don't
Speaker 6: have any rules. I don't I answer to no one
Speaker 6: and nothing, and I can do whatever the hell I want.
Speaker 3: So that question is not necessarily for you.
Speaker 7: It's more along the lines of why would an angel
Speaker 7: who works in the side of light even pay attention
Speaker 7: to a blood sacrifice being done? By definition, they don't
Speaker 7: even pay attention to that because that's not what feeds them.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the question that's easy to answer is
Speaker 6: because they don't give shit. They all like blood. They
Speaker 6: all are intoxicated by blood. Angels are more blood thirsty
Speaker 6: than demons, dude. And I mean look, I mean they
Speaker 6: slaughtered all the firstborn children in Egypt. I mean like, like, whenever,
Speaker 6: if I really want to fuck somebody up, I'll sum
Speaker 6: an angel and send it after him. They're all about
Speaker 6: smiting someone, dude. Damn lots of wrath and vengeance there.
Speaker 7: What type of angel if you don't mind me asking,
Speaker 7: There's a few different ranks and file them to them.
Speaker 6: Oh, I mostly work with archangels, but you definitely Raphael,
Speaker 6: the archangel Raphael. That's that's like the number one guy
Speaker 6: I work with the heel people. He's also known as
Speaker 6: the Divine Surgeon. They said that he has a power
Speaker 6: to heal any illness right, and I was like, well, shit,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna test that theory. You know, I know somebody's dying.
Speaker 6: Let's see if I can stop it. And it works.
Speaker 6: It absolutely works. It works almost every time, and usually
Speaker 6: when it doesn't work, there's underlying factors there that you
Speaker 6: don't I have to go back to the drawing board
Speaker 6: figure out why it didn't work. Anytime something doesn't work properly,
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, well why you know? Why? Has it
Speaker 6: worked every other time I've done it? But not this time?
Speaker 6: Something else I'm not seeing here, And so I usually
Speaker 6: try again and try again, try again until I get
Speaker 6: it right.
Speaker 2: Interesting, just out of curiosity as far as the angels
Speaker 2: doing it, though, like, are there any demons that would
Speaker 2: assist in healing? Or is that only an angelic thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, A really excellent demon for healing is Marbos. He's
Speaker 6: actually in the arts go Atia. So I mean, like
Speaker 6: I said, he's described as a gin, he's described as
Speaker 6: a as a demon. Some you know, they'll call him,
Speaker 6: you know, fallen angels, you know, like like okay, Belile
Speaker 6: for example, the Christians call them the fallen angel, the
Speaker 6: Keys of Solomon call them the gin, and everyone else
Speaker 6: calls him a demon, a demonic king. So okay, just
Speaker 6: because we're talking about extraterrestrials here, okay, like following angel
Speaker 6: means they came down from the heavens to interact with
Speaker 6: humans on Earth. That's and it's quite literally, you know,
Speaker 6: the definition of an angel is quite literally an extraterrestrial,
Speaker 6: you know. And you know, now we would call them
Speaker 6: ets if we actually saw them come down from the
Speaker 6: heavens and some type of craft, they'd be like holy
Speaker 6: shit aliens. But back then they were like holy shit angels.
Speaker 2: Bro, I've been saying this. I've been saying this shit
Speaker 2: the whole time. Dude, I knew it's the same thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, why do angels or demons need a craft that
Speaker 7: also kind of goes against their very nature, does it not?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're talking about working, you know, interacting
Speaker 6: with them in physical form, you don't think they have
Speaker 6: physical bodies somewhere.
Speaker 7: I mean, I would assume they do, but I also
Speaker 7: don't think that their physical bodies necessarily apply to the
Speaker 7: of our physical nature, because they're not of our physical nature.
Speaker 7: If anything, you could say they bouncing it out of
Speaker 7: dimensional form or something like that. But having an actual
Speaker 7: craft that they are writing to come down, that kind
Speaker 7: of sounds a bit ridiculous, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, in the Book of Enoch, they were
Speaker 6: talking about it being the very physical thing the two
Speaker 6: hundred watcher angels that came to Earth to to to
Speaker 6: impregnate human women to create the race of giants. So
Speaker 6: I mean they're talking about physical.
Speaker 7: Beings there, right, But they were talking about a craft
Speaker 7: coming down or something.
Speaker 6: Well, they supposedly landed in a craft on Mount Herman,
Speaker 6: so they're literally talking about aliens.
Speaker 7: I've never heard the craft on Mount Herman. I heard
Speaker 7: they landed and they resided on Mount Herman.
Speaker 6: But I mean, okay, if they landed there, then what
Speaker 6: did they land in?
Speaker 7: They just kind of like the sky it kind of
Speaker 7: like lands on the ground. It doesn't like land in.
Speaker 7: Something necessarily lands on the ground.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: We'll never know because we weren't there, but I mean,
Speaker 6: that's that's what I think. I think there were physical
Speaker 6: beings that that literally came down on in physical form
Speaker 6: and probably in some type of craft. I don't know
Speaker 6: either way.
Speaker 5: It's one of those things that's kind of fun to
Speaker 5: speculate on.
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, no doubt.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't have to be married to it. Yeah, no, no, no idea.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, I just found the one of
Speaker 2: the excerpts, but it says according to the Biblical apocrypha,
Speaker 2: particularly the Book of Enoch, Mount Herman is believed to
Speaker 2: be the place where fallen angels known as the Watchers,
Speaker 2: descended to Earth and took human wives. This event is
Speaker 2: often associated with the concept of their sinful desire for
Speaker 2: human women. Anyway, it just says descended. It doesn't say
Speaker 2: like did they come up out of the ether or
Speaker 2: did they land, you know, with.
Speaker 4: A craft or anything.
Speaker 2: So maybe that was, you know, not necessarily mentioned one
Speaker 2: way or another.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: But to your point, do you also believe in extraterrestrials
Speaker 7: as far as aliens, and not necessarily the cool colloquial
Speaker 7: you know, little.
Speaker 3: Green men from Mars conversation.
Speaker 7: But let's just say life outside of our Solar system
Speaker 7: or outside of our galaxy, another planet out there that
Speaker 7: has living entities, not just spiritual or ethereal or interdimensional,
Speaker 7: but like actual living organisms somewhere.
Speaker 3: Else in space. Yeah. Absolutely, so oh I agree with that.
Speaker 7: So just so we're all clear here, because a lot
Speaker 7: of people that I've talked to of and yes, I
Speaker 7: am a Christian, and somehow some of my Christian brothers
Speaker 7: and sisters out there just are very very set in
Speaker 7: their ways, going with no facts whatsoever, just their opinion,
Speaker 7: which everybody's entitled to it, I get it. But they
Speaker 7: are of the belief that, like, oh, I don't believe
Speaker 7: in aliens, I believe in demons. And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 7: why are the two? Why are the two in the
Speaker 7: same conversation? Well, clearly the flying saucers are demonic, and
Speaker 7: I'm like, uh oh, oh, I see so like and
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that they are or are not, Okay,
Speaker 7: I am personally of the belief that demons are real.
Speaker 7: Angels are real, interdimensional life forms are probably real. And
Speaker 7: I also am of the belief that there's more planets
Speaker 7: out there, with more sustainable life out there.
Speaker 3: I think all these are happening at the same time.
Speaker 7: I was just making sure if you are classifying these
Speaker 7: demons to be extraterrestrials as well, or do you think
Speaker 7: those are separate conversations.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's probably a whole lot of
Speaker 6: different species out there and a lot of different categories. Man,
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know for sure what's what. I
Speaker 6: can only speculate. I do believe in the Watchers. I
Speaker 6: work with them a lot and get results. So I'm
Speaker 6: working with something that's very real. And they did supposedly
Speaker 6: impregnate human women, so they had to have some type
Speaker 6: of physical body. They had to have a schlong.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so these are shifting creatures as well. Correct,
Speaker 7: they're shape shifting creatures. Correct, So like they could take
Speaker 7: the form of whatever they wanted, they want to take
Speaker 7: the physical form, but do with a schlong to impregnate
Speaker 7: a woman.
Speaker 3: That's they had that ability supposedly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that or Watchers were shape shifters. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's definitely. You know, I've studied a lot about
Speaker 6: shape shifters. I was talking about this book on podcasts
Speaker 6: the other day. There's an actual complete ritual in here
Speaker 6: that someone can go out in the woods and perform
Speaker 6: to supposedly turn themselves into a shape shifter.
Speaker 7: Yes, And as a matter of fact, there's a few
Speaker 7: different groups out there. One of them is one of
Speaker 7: the off branches of Oto where they and depends on
Speaker 7: who you ask here, but they believe that they are
Speaker 7: going into the esoteric side of Freemasonry, not just the
Speaker 7: first thirty three degrees. They believe there's three hundred and
Speaker 7: sixty degrees of freemasonry of the real freemasonry. And they
Speaker 7: believe that once you get to a certain level, there's
Speaker 7: three different paths.
Speaker 3: That you can choose.
Speaker 7: One of them would be to go more into the
Speaker 7: warlock and wizard realm of things, one would be to
Speaker 7: go into the vampiric realm, and then the other would
Speaker 7: be to go into the shape shifter realm. So there's
Speaker 7: absolutely rituals that could be performed to get someone to
Speaker 7: actually shape shift, let alone.
Speaker 3: What they have is.
Speaker 7: Far as skin walkers go, which that is absolutely ritualistic
Speaker 7: dark blood magic to be performed to shape shift, but
Speaker 7: the problem is changing back afterwards.
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a snap foo on that
Speaker 3: one apparently. But yeah, to your.
Speaker 6: Point, now, I think those things are real.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm with you here now, Like we said, here, demons,
Speaker 7: you work with them pretty often, you do you physically
Speaker 7: see them when you are doing this work with them?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean they don't like poof in front of
Speaker 6: me like Darth Vader on the Hologram. You know, like
Speaker 6: if I set up a camera across from my ritual
Speaker 6: space and then go through a frame by a frame,
Speaker 6: you'll absolutely see them in the flames and in the smoke.
Speaker 6: You know, a flame is a manifestation based smoke is
Speaker 6: a manifestation bas.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they do also appear as orbs, like these little
Speaker 6: flaming balls of They just like little blue balls of
Speaker 6: fire that lead like a flaming trail behind it when
Speaker 6: you play slow motion. Got a lot of those on camera.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, do they manifest Yes? They do.
Speaker 6: Did I stand there and talk to them like I'm
Speaker 6: talking a lot? I do talk to them like we're
Speaker 6: talking now, But no, I would not see them standing
Speaker 6: there like in full physical form.
Speaker 7: No, okay, So the story of Faust and the Faustian
Speaker 7: Deal and all that, where this dude was sitting by
Speaker 7: the fire and was having a full blown conversation with
Speaker 7: the devil, just smoking and joking with him, and then
Speaker 7: decide to sign the contract in his own blood and
Speaker 7: all that. That's a bit of a artistic rendition, if
Speaker 7: you will.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no idea if that story is true
Speaker 6: or not. I've never had the devil manifest in complete
Speaker 6: physical forms that they're going to have a drink with me.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 6: They typically will communicate telepathy, like they will drill something
Speaker 6: directly into your head, and a lot of times I'll
Speaker 6: get it like a cooling sensation like right here my
Speaker 6: forehead before like a download will come during a ritual.
Speaker 6: Other times it feels like my head's and advice and
Speaker 6: it literally hurts. It's it's it's quite literally very painful
Speaker 6: when this happens. And it happens a lot with painful magic.
Speaker 3: Like baineful magic.
Speaker 6: You said, yes, bainful uh curses Okay, Yeah, And I'll
Speaker 6: feel quite literally like my head's and advice and it's
Speaker 6: squeezing harder and harder and the pain just builds and
Speaker 6: builds and builds until it gets the point where I
Speaker 6: can't take it anymore. And then it's like it like explodes.
Speaker 6: You feel like this, this explosion come out of the
Speaker 6: top of your head. And then the pain dissipates.
Speaker 7: And that's after the ritual has successfully been completed or
Speaker 7: when they decide that they've gotten what they wanted out
Speaker 7: of you.
Speaker 3: What what stops it?
Speaker 6: Uh? That usually is towards the very end of the ritual,
Speaker 6: whenever that that pressure will release, so before the ritual
Speaker 6: has been completed and closed out.
Speaker 2: So with you working with certain demons of well, it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: of the ursisha, the demons of Geisha is I would
Speaker 2: think that why wouldn't you just straight up only work
Speaker 2: with the devil? Is the devil or Lucifer or Satan
Speaker 2: more powerful than any of the other demons that you've
Speaker 2: have You ever tried working with Lucifer or anything like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, they all have different abilities. You would evoked them
Speaker 6: for different reasons, you know, Like you know, Lucifer the
Speaker 6: light bearing you know, like you would you would evoke
Speaker 6: him to shed some light on a situation, you know,
Speaker 6: and as far you know, so so in the Glaysia
Speaker 6: they have ranks. You know, they'll say, oh they're a
Speaker 6: duke or they're a demonic king, so you got to
Speaker 6: so you know that they're in charge of this many legions. Well,
Speaker 6: we don't know if that information is accurate or not.
Speaker 6: And you know, I what.
Speaker 3: Do you mean by that?
Speaker 7: If you're working with the Goaisha, you would you would
Speaker 7: assume that this information is accurate.
Speaker 3: Correct now, and.
Speaker 6: Most of the Goaisias bullshit, Like the rituals in there,
Speaker 6: they're they're traps, they're traps for the black magician. Uh,
Speaker 6: never perform a ritual from the rs go Aisha. I'm
Speaker 6: not saying don't work with the spirits in there, with
Speaker 6: the demons in there. They are very real and they're awesome,
Speaker 6: all right, They're awesome to work with. They're your best friends,
Speaker 6: all right. But if you approach them in the way
Speaker 6: that it tells you to in that book, they are
Speaker 6: gonna kill you, all right. And that's why you hear
Speaker 6: so many terrible, scary stories about people that dabbled in
Speaker 6: some black magic, because if you read the conjurations, they're
Speaker 6: full of threats. It's as disrespectful as you could possibly be.
Speaker 6: You know, you're gonna summon this being that's that's old
Speaker 6: as time has god like power. You're a little piss
Speaker 6: ant to them, all right, So you're gonna call and
Speaker 6: conjure them forth and they're whatever they're doing, their place
Speaker 6: is dwelling. To start barking orders and threats at them,
Speaker 6: and then and then demand that they do you and
Speaker 6: then proceed to threaten them in the name of some
Speaker 6: bullshit God as to what you'll do if they don't
Speaker 6: do what you tell them to do, try to constrain
Speaker 6: and command them. That's that's Western sorcery. And it's dude,
Speaker 6: that's the stupidest thing anybody can do.
Speaker 4: That was done on purpose, Like yes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's what they did. That on purpose
Speaker 6: to kill black magicians.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 7: So you said this was Western sorcery as opposed to
Speaker 7: like more Eastern invading.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like the Eastern practices are a lot more respectful.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's I understand this.
Speaker 7: Talking about this though, do you need to know the
Speaker 7: name of the entity that you're trying to call out
Speaker 7: or do you pretty much just throw out an open
Speaker 7: line and you say, I'm looking for something that could
Speaker 7: do this and one of them will respond.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hell no, I'll never do that. You don't know
Speaker 6: what you end up with.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you do need to know their name, Yes, I.
Speaker 6: Like to have their name and their sigil.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: So with this being said, the Gaaysia is one of
Speaker 7: the only spots where you can find a list of
Speaker 7: their names.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 7: There's a few other spots out there where you could
Speaker 7: find them, but as far as one of the earliest
Speaker 7: sources and most complete list, I might add the Gaayishia
Speaker 7: would be that correct.
Speaker 6: Well, well, it would be one of their names because
Speaker 6: a lot of these guys are in multiple different cultures
Speaker 6: throughout history, and their names change, like their names will vary,
Speaker 6: you know. So so one one person might call astof Aso.
Speaker 6: The other worst person might call Asteroth the goddess Astarte.
Speaker 6: So I mean, like like when you're when you're dealing
Speaker 6: with ancient gods, and that's what a lot of these
Speaker 6: beings are. They're not, you know, actually demons. They're they're
Speaker 6: gods of the ancient world, and they've been labeled as
Speaker 6: demons in by modern religion. Okay, and so they are
Speaker 6: in almost they're in every culture. You know, these ancient deities.
Speaker 6: They they have different names for them different cultures. They're
Speaker 6: talking about the same being. So do we know any
Speaker 6: of their true names? Probably not. If I mean their
Speaker 6: real name, you probably wouldn't be able to pronounce it
Speaker 6: if you didn't know it. So these are the names
Speaker 6: that they respond.
Speaker 3: To, Okay.
Speaker 7: And so to do that kind of research to make
Speaker 7: sure you're calling out the right name, right, you would
Speaker 7: look at you.
Speaker 3: You have to do that leg work.
Speaker 7: You have to put in that work to figure out
Speaker 7: this tribe called them this entity. This tribe called them this,
Speaker 7: The Westerns called them this, the Hebrews called them this,
Speaker 7: And you've got to make sure that you are calling
Speaker 7: upon the right one. So you are actually the one
Speaker 7: that is doing this legwork and doing this historical deep
Speaker 7: dive to make sure of this correct.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And if if I have a doubt, then I'll
Speaker 10: call them by all their names. So all right, I'll
Speaker 10: write a conjuration with with each of their names you know,
Speaker 10: from from each culture.
Speaker 3: But you also said they're sigil, So where does that
Speaker 3: come from?
Speaker 6: Which the sigil is their energetic signature?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: That's that's how I look at it. And it's when
Speaker 6: you open when you draw out their sigil and and
Speaker 6: either pencil lead and ink or or pencil it or
Speaker 6: ink something conductive and then you trace over it in
Speaker 6: your own blood. That's like making a phone call, all right.
Speaker 6: I'm like literally dialing them up, like you're on a phone.
Speaker 6: You're like, hey, you know, you're trying to speak to
Speaker 6: them through that gateway. That sigil becomes the gateway that
Speaker 6: they come through in the ritual space. So like we
Speaker 6: have the sigil of Belile behind me, or he's another
Speaker 6: one with multiple names and pronunciations. I'm calling Billile, belly
Speaker 6: l Blyel. I'm sure he's probably got more names as well,
Speaker 6: but he responds to all three of those.
Speaker 2: So does it matter what language you're doing the ritual lend?
Speaker 2: Does it have to be in Latin or Hebrew?
Speaker 4: Or does good old English work just fine?
Speaker 6: Good old English works great most of the time. But
Speaker 6: like specific rich is like if I was gonna look
Speaker 6: in a grim war and it gives me a specific conjuration,
Speaker 6: something that's been used for centuries to summon this being
Speaker 6: and it's in a different language, I'm going to speak
Speaker 6: it in that language. I'll speak the conjuration in that language,
Speaker 6: and then after I speak the conjuration and perform the summoning,
Speaker 6: then I'm going to speak to them in English.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, there's been a little Okay, I don't know,
Speaker 2: not necessarily disagreeing between me and Jacob.
Speaker 4: We just don't know.
Speaker 6: We've a lot of conjurations are in different languages, a
Speaker 6: lot of exorcisms and things like that are in different languages.
Speaker 7: But would you also agree that most people that call
Speaker 7: themselves practitioners are typically wanna bees that are delving into
Speaker 7: the realm of shit that they don't actually know what
Speaker 7: they're doing.
Speaker 3: Right, we can all at least acknowledge that it's not just.
Speaker 5: To your cult. I say, like ninety percent of the
Speaker 5: Spirit's community, uh on all vectors, you know, all sectors,
Speaker 5: I mean, uh yeah, total are totally joke.
Speaker 7: I would agree with that, but everyone starts saying that
Speaker 7: as far as Christianity as well. By the way, yeah,
Speaker 7: we're all here, I'm I'm keeping it one with everybody here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think them are completely full of shit right
Speaker 6: on on every on every front.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't mean that one day it's
Speaker 5: going to click for them and then they're just gonna
Speaker 5: you know, like they could, it could totally just you know,
Speaker 5: they might be a joke now, but five years from now,
Speaker 5: they could start, you know, they could be At any moment,
Speaker 5: someone can like just get it and wake up and
Speaker 5: just go hard in the paint, you know.
Speaker 3: So just start somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just because you're a joke when you're nineteen doesn't
Speaker 5: mean you're going to be a joke when you're forty.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. That's a fair point. But then
Speaker 3: also I would.
Speaker 7: And I don't know, I'm very glad that Jonathan.
Speaker 3: Asked this question.
Speaker 7: Let's say you are calling upon a Greek god or
Speaker 7: or something to this realm or ancient Egyptian deity, right,
Speaker 7: it would stand to reason that you.
Speaker 3: Would want to call upon them.
Speaker 7: If you're gonna, especially call them by that name, by
Speaker 7: their Egyptian name, or by their Greek name, or whatever
Speaker 7: the case is. You would want to also conjure them
Speaker 7: in the language to which you're addressing them, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you have that information, if that information is available,
Speaker 6: which most of the time it's not gonna be. Yeah,
Speaker 6: all right, So it's one of those it's.
Speaker 5: One of those things too, like if you're speaking English
Speaker 5: and you're and you understand the language really well, so
Speaker 5: you're able to put that much more of your intent
Speaker 5: in there, compared to like reading a bunch of words
Speaker 5: where you're not even sure if you're saying it right,
Speaker 5: and you're not even sure what you're saying. You know,
Speaker 5: in a situation like that, you know, I'd say, just
Speaker 5: go with what you're what you're good at. That's what
Speaker 5: I go with.
Speaker 6: What works.
Speaker 3: What also kind of leads into what I was saying, right,
Speaker 3: A lot of these people might start spitting some Latin out.
Speaker 3: They don't know what they're saying, but they know the
Speaker 3: book says to say it this way.
Speaker 7: Next thing, you know, they've absolutely opened a portal or
Speaker 7: opened a door or speaking to something, and now they
Speaker 7: don't know what the fuck to do because they just
Speaker 7: called U point, they stepped into waters that they didn't
Speaker 7: know what they were stepping into.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: Well, and that's what it's really exciting. That's what separates Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what separates the black magician from the dabbler.
Speaker 5: It's the best way to learn, you know, especially for guys.
Speaker 5: You know, guys we learn from making mistakes.
Speaker 3: It's just you know, you.
Speaker 5: Could tell a guy not to do something dumb, but
Speaker 5: he's not gonna know not to do that until he
Speaker 5: does it. It's just it's just the way guys are.
Speaker 5: So I think I think the more trouble you get
Speaker 5: yourself in and you get out of, you know, like
Speaker 5: one of the best ways to get good at magic
Speaker 5: is to have people curse you. You know, like, if
Speaker 5: some asshole puts a curse on you, you're gonna get
Speaker 5: so much better at magic having to deal with that obstacle.
Speaker 5: You know, It's just how it is, man.
Speaker 6: You know. That's that's how I got good at bankful magic.
Speaker 6: Just I didn't just start out like, oh, I'm just
Speaker 6: gonna tackle these people I don't like. Like, no, I
Speaker 6: did like one YouTube video and the next thing I
Speaker 6: don't got people attacking me. So that forces you to,
Speaker 6: uh because better.
Speaker 7: So YouTube was kind of your your stomping grounds as
Speaker 7: far as getting started in the realm of actual practical magic,
Speaker 7: aside from the wax foodoo doll when you were ten.
Speaker 3: You say, YouTube, That's what you just said.
Speaker 7: Correct, YouTube video is kind of what led you down
Speaker 7: on you.
Speaker 6: And I was saying that that was what forced me
Speaker 6: to get good at painful magic and at warfare. Was
Speaker 6: being attacked. He was saying, you know when someone when
Speaker 6: someone attacks you and forces you to deal with it, it
Speaker 6: makes you a better magician. And so when you got
Speaker 6: to fight fire with fire when it comes to magic,
Speaker 6: and yeah, yeah, so so if you start doing the
Speaker 6: ship publicly, talking about it publicly like we are now,
Speaker 6: then you are going to be targeted. You're gonna be
Speaker 6: targeted by both sides. You're gonna be targeted by the Christians,
Speaker 6: and you're gonna be targeted by everybody on the left
Speaker 6: hand path that doesn't like what you said or doesn't
Speaker 6: agree with what you said, which.
Speaker 5: Maybe they's gonna test you. You know, that's another thing
Speaker 5: someone just want to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this keeps he's hot ship, but I can fuck
Speaker 6: him up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that goes g checking is a thing like,
Speaker 7: oh you a thug. Let's see how much of a
Speaker 7: thug you are when bullets actually start flying. That that
Speaker 7: goes around in the physical and the spiritual realm.
Speaker 3: I believe that one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of black magicians do act like gangbangers.
Speaker 3: How that works, isn't it?
Speaker 6: Little little clubs?
Speaker 3: You know, they keep calling them cons and ship like,
Speaker 3: but why why do they do it like this? Bro?
Speaker 6: Uh, it's the tribal mentality, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Strengthen numbers and see what if you get into it
Speaker 6: with one of those people, the first thing they're gonna
Speaker 6: do is call their witch buddies all their black magic friends, like, oh,
Speaker 6: this motherfucker's attacking to us, you know, and they're gonna
Speaker 6: they're gonna try to gang up on you, you know which.
Speaker 6: The best way to keep from having that happen is
Speaker 6: don't start fights with people like I. I don't think
Speaker 6: I've ever picked a fight like I mean, maybe I've
Speaker 6: instigated a couple, but I did not initially start this shit,
Speaker 6: you know. I was like, somebody jabbed me, and I'm
Speaker 6: just like, all right, you motherfucker, I'm gonna teach you
Speaker 6: a lesson. The next thing, you know, you got all
Speaker 6: them and all their friends coming after you too, And
Speaker 6: I'm just like the strong man stands mightiest alone motherfuckers.
Speaker 6: But if I need help, I have friends I can call.
Speaker 7: So with that being said, when you did get your
Speaker 7: start in the real mechanics of this right, actually putting
Speaker 7: real legwork in real sweat equity, and in this case,
Speaker 7: I suppose blood equity is in this conversation as well.
Speaker 7: Where did you get the training from? Was it strictly
Speaker 7: out of books? Did you practice under somebody who kind
Speaker 7: of trained you up in their ways?
Speaker 3: How did this go for you?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean the first person I actually learned anything
Speaker 6: valuable from was E. E. Cooetting. I found him on YouTube.
Speaker 6: I was, I was researching, I was. My ass was
Speaker 6: in a pickle. I was facing like eighty five years
Speaker 6: in prison for four counts of aggravated assault with a
Speaker 6: daily weapon and like some other charges for eating the
Speaker 6: dude half to death.
Speaker 3: It was a pin, wasn't it.
Speaker 7: They tried making a pan of deadly weapon in the
Speaker 7: fucking COURTSYSM, didn't they?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah yeah they They threw the book at me
Speaker 6: and I was defending my family. You know, it ended
Speaker 6: up all getting thrown out of court. But it drug out.
Speaker 6: It drug out for four years, you know, damn. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I lost everything, dude, I mean, fucking constantly feeding lawyers
Speaker 6: all my money and you know, losing shit left and right.
Speaker 6: It caused me to cause me to lose my job too.
Speaker 6: So that's what really fucked me.
Speaker 3: So I was desperate, and I was.
Speaker 6: Just like, what's the one thing that can save my
Speaker 6: ass that I know of. I'm just like black magic.
Speaker 6: I know it fucking works. I know it works. It's
Speaker 6: time to really dive deep. And so I started. I
Speaker 6: was I was working in an office with a computer
Speaker 6: in it by myself most of the day, and so
Speaker 6: I was able to listen to YouTube, and so I
Speaker 6: just started YouTube and everything I could find on ritual, magic, magic,
Speaker 6: demonic evocation, and eventually I came across his channel, you know,
Speaker 6: and specifically a video where he's talking about Delile. He said,
Speaker 6: if you're in a legal situation, that is the guy
Speaker 6: that can help you, you know, hands down, that is
Speaker 6: the best. And I'm just like, that's who I need
Speaker 6: to summon. So after that I started trying to summon them.
Speaker 6: I you know, I got some conjurations from from the
Speaker 6: Actings books, specifically to sm in Belile, and I didn't
Speaker 6: I didn't know how to do a formal ritual back then.
Speaker 6: I didn't a ship, not really, you know, I've done
Speaker 6: experiments before, but I mean I didn't. I had no
Speaker 6: formal training in anything. And so I started speaking these
Speaker 6: conjurations over no, Like anytime I was alone, I was saying, Malile, come, Delile,
Speaker 6: come and speak his his his chant, his demonic in
Speaker 6: or his song as they call it. And I'd also
Speaker 6: speak a conjuration. It was called it's a losh todd
Speaker 6: a losh to lash too.
Speaker 3: Was just that was this in English or in the
Speaker 3: correct language?
Speaker 6: Okay, so so that was in a demonic language. I
Speaker 6: would say a losh tite loge tolashe to and then
Speaker 6: I would say belile, come, delill come in English, all right,
Speaker 6: And then there was his his his end was it's
Speaker 6: roch to Bellisle, it's rod chant that over and over
Speaker 6: and nothing happened at first, But every time I said
Speaker 6: that out loud, I feel this this tingle, this this
Speaker 6: rush of excitement, like he's hearing you, he's getting closer.
Speaker 6: I'm like, if I bang on the devil's door long
Speaker 6: enough and loud enough, he has got to answer me.
Speaker 6: And so I did this for three days straight, like
Speaker 6: like non stop, laying in bed at night saying this
Speaker 6: conjuration over and over tall I went to sleep, you know,
Speaker 6: on the way to work, sitting at work in the
Speaker 6: fucking shower, like I mean just anytime I was alone
Speaker 6: and nobody could hear me, I was speaking that out loud,
Speaker 6: and when I was around people, I was thinking it
Speaker 6: was I was obsessed over making contact with this entity.
Speaker 6: And so after about seventy two hours of this, he
Speaker 6: answered me. And that was the first time I'd ever
Speaker 6: seen a manifestation of a demon. I had clear communication,
Speaker 6: like when he actually fully manifests, he can you can
Speaker 6: talk to him like I was speaking out loud. He
Speaker 6: was speaking to me like I kept feeling this tingling
Speaker 6: in the top of my head every time he would speak,
Speaker 6: and I'm just like, I can't fucking believe this is happening,
Speaker 6: Like I really summon this demon and he's talking to
Speaker 6: me and I can understand, like holy shit, holy shit,
Speaker 6: you know, like I made contact.
Speaker 2: Was that like telepathically the way he was communicating back
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 6: Yes, but it was. I mean I don't know if
Speaker 6: you would have been standing there, if you could have
Speaker 6: heard it or not, honestly, but I mean because I
Speaker 6: was alone, but no, I could clearly hear him speaking
Speaker 6: inside my head giving me.
Speaker 3: A manifested as well. Now, could you see him.
Speaker 6: Yes, initially when he when he initially manifested absolutely, But okay,
Speaker 6: so I.
Speaker 11: Was I was staring at I was standing out my
Speaker 11: driveway and I was staring at the street light, and
Speaker 11: as street light got bigger and turned into like it
Speaker 11: looked like a sun, like a flaming ball, and then it.
Speaker 6: Took the form. It took the form of first the
Speaker 6: man's head with a crown, and that's that's when he
Speaker 6: started speaking to me. And it also took the form
Speaker 6: of three different animals. One looked like a female lion,
Speaker 6: the other one looked like a horse, and the other
Speaker 6: one definitely was an owl. And then it took the
Speaker 6: man's form again, and then it took all four forms
Speaker 6: at once. It looked like a seal, looked like a seal.
Speaker 6: And you know, at that point, I go inside and
Speaker 6: lock myself in the bathroom because I had a family,
Speaker 6: you know, as small a small child. I didn't want
Speaker 6: to be interrupted while I'm talking to this demonic king.
Speaker 6: And so I'm actually I'm standing in the bath room,
Speaker 6: standing there, looking at myself in the mirror, talking to Belile,
Speaker 6: you know, like I'm speaking out loud and he's speaking
Speaker 6: to me in my head. And he said, he said,
Speaker 6: what would you have of me, and he just kind
Speaker 6: of chuckled like he already fucking knew you know exactly
Speaker 6: what I wanted. I was like, well, yeah, I'm facing
Speaker 6: most of my life in prison here then battling this
Speaker 6: for for like four years. I'm broke, I'm screwed. I
Speaker 6: don't why the lawyer. I amout to go to trial
Speaker 6: and represent myself, which is an instant go to jail card. Right,
Speaker 6: So what do I want from you? If you, if
Speaker 6: you are powerful enough and you can do it, then
Speaker 6: I want these charges dropped. I want them gone, period.
Speaker 6: I don't want to go to trial. I don't want
Speaker 6: to do another hearing. I don't want to spend one
Speaker 6: more dime on a lawyer. I don't want to pay
Speaker 6: no more fives, nothing, you know. I want the charges drop. Period.
Speaker 6: He's like, okay, what else, Let's see what else. He's like,
Speaker 6: ask me for something else? Okay, well, I want I
Speaker 6: want protection from me and my family so that nothing
Speaker 6: like this ever happens to us again. He's like, uh huh,
Speaker 6: and what else? One question he was counting on me
Speaker 6: that he wanted me to ask, and I said, you
Speaker 6: know what I want? I want to become I used
Speaker 6: the term master at the time. I don't think there
Speaker 6: are any masters, but I said, I want to become
Speaker 6: a master black magician. I want I want you to
Speaker 6: take me under your wing and teach me magic, teach
Speaker 6: me sorcery, your own personal brandom magic. I want to
Speaker 6: learn it directly from you. And he's like, okay, that's
Speaker 6: what he was waiting on me to say. So Yeah,
Speaker 6: twenty four hours later, I got a call from my
Speaker 6: lawyer so they were dropping my charges. My jaw hit
Speaker 6: the fucking ground literally like like I about passed out.
Speaker 6: I was like, holy shit, I can't believe this. And
Speaker 6: I've been wide open ever since. I've basically dedicated my
Speaker 6: life to this path ever since then.
Speaker 7: And has Blile trained you and taught you absolutely or
Speaker 7: has he just kind of made the information more available
Speaker 7: to you and you had to do your own self discovery?
Speaker 3: How how did this work?
Speaker 7: Did you have like a full on conversation with him
Speaker 7: on a daily basis and that's who trained you?
Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean?
Speaker 6: I gave him permission to literally possess me for six
Speaker 6: months and teach me the stuff, so every day it
Speaker 6: was like a crash course in ritual magic from Belaw himself.
Speaker 6: Of course I read other books. I got other information,
Speaker 6: you know, things like that. Excuse me, I got allergies. Man,
Speaker 6: I was outside all day. But now I learned, like
Speaker 6: the rituals that I've created, they came from the ether,
Speaker 6: they came from the demons themselves. And so he would
Speaker 6: work with me for a while, and then he had
Speaker 6: passed me off to another entity. First intit. He passed
Speaker 6: me off too with Shimiyaza. He's like, all right, you're
Speaker 6: gonna work with this guy for a while. He's gonna
Speaker 6: teach you some shit. And so every time I finish
Speaker 6: a path working, like all my path workings had led
Speaker 6: back to Thelile. It's like I ran through the fucking
Speaker 6: ring and learn some totally new crazy shit, and then
Speaker 6: at the end of it there's Belile again. He's like,
Speaker 6: all right, you did good. You made it through that one.
Speaker 6: You're ready for the next one. Oh God, yes, I'm ready,
Speaker 6: you know whether I am or not. So it's intense, man,
Speaker 6: This path's not easy. It's uh, you got to have
Speaker 6: balls to do this shit.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: I'm not talking about you know a little bit of balls.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you gotta have fucking nerves of steel. You
Speaker 6: have to You're not. If you're not afraid of it,
Speaker 6: then you're just a dumb ass and it's gonna end
Speaker 6: up killing you, all Right. You have to be able
Speaker 6: to stand there and be as terrified as you've ever
Speaker 6: fucking been in your life and still have the balls
Speaker 6: to stand there and finish whatever you're doing, not run
Speaker 6: the other direction. And I don't know many people that
Speaker 6: have that kind of gumption. Dude, Yeah, most of them
Speaker 6: run the other direction as soon as they get a
Speaker 6: real taste of what this path is like. The first
Speaker 6: time they get scared, they run back to the church.
Speaker 7: So you called upon him and you did not have
Speaker 7: a blood sacrifice, or did you?
Speaker 6: I was the sacrifice?
Speaker 7: You giving yourself a possession for six months? That was
Speaker 7: the sacrifice.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that was a part.
Speaker 6: Dedicated my life to this path working with him?
Speaker 7: Yes, Okay, okay, So you essentially sacrificed your life for
Speaker 7: a deeper understanding and more power on earth.
Speaker 6: Do you say sacrifice? You could say dedicated to too,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: I guess both. I guess these can be used interchangeable words.
Speaker 7: I know in this realm, we're talking about sacrifice. Meaning
Speaker 7: the death of that's not necessarily true. I mean, Hella,
Speaker 7: you doing this podcast with us, You're sacrificing two hours
Speaker 7: of your evening or however long this shit goes for
Speaker 7: to do this. So I mean sacrifice in that term.
Speaker 7: I mean it in a more broader sense. But okay,
Speaker 7: I see what you mean. So all right, where do
Speaker 7: you think? Said?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just got one one question real quick? Where
Speaker 2: do you think they are whenever you're communicating with them?
Speaker 2: Are they a in a place? Are they communicating from Hell?
Speaker 2: Are they communicating from the abyss? Is it just etherical beings?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 2: Where are they in relation to your human body when
Speaker 2: you're in communication with them?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: So, I mean if if it depends on what you're
Speaker 6: communing with, For one, if there are something that is
Speaker 6: still in a physical body, like I believe the watchers were,
Speaker 6: and they're still alive. You know. Some common theme is
Speaker 6: that they live in hallowed out caverns inside the earth.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: So if you were communicating with a living, breathing watcher,
Speaker 6: then what you'd be doing is communicating with them with
Speaker 6: their consciousness. You know, they they would project their consciousness
Speaker 6: to you when you call them and interact with you,
Speaker 6: all right, So if it was a transdimensional being, then
Speaker 6: they would be on what ever plane that they exist on.
Speaker 6: If you're communicating with an et, then they're going to
Speaker 6: be on whatever planet they're from. There's a whole lot
Speaker 6: of different stuff out there, different species of creatures and beings.
Speaker 6: And you know, the human soul is just as powerful.
Speaker 6: I find that by working with with people's souls quite
Speaker 6: literally in the deification, right, and I get the same
Speaker 6: type of I feel the same type of intense energy
Speaker 6: or the same level of intensity. I mean, the energy
Speaker 6: is always different depending on who you work with. I
Speaker 6: get the same level of intensity though from the human
Speaker 6: spirits that I've encountered out of their bodies. So what
Speaker 6: are we really okay?
Speaker 4: Question?
Speaker 7: So to follow up, as we are talking about sacrifice,
Speaker 7: and in this sense I do mean the death of
Speaker 7: an animal and using its blood for this purpose.
Speaker 3: Why do they require blood?
Speaker 7: You you said earlier it's to feed them, You're preparing
Speaker 7: them a nice meal. But then you also be mentioned
Speaker 7: about if you plan on eating this sacrifice after the ritual?
Speaker 6: Is there?
Speaker 7: Break all of that down for me here? Which kind
Speaker 7: of rituals would it involve?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 7: Sacrificing a chicken and then you in the physical realm,
Speaker 7: are going to be eating this chicken after the ritual.
Speaker 7: Why do the demons require blood to eat or are
Speaker 7: they eating of the meat too?
Speaker 3: Just go down the list for me.
Speaker 6: Well, if you're burning the body, if you're spilling the
Speaker 6: blood into the fire and then burning the body as well,
Speaker 6: then they are consuming the entire sacrifice. In some rituals,
Speaker 6: like especially like you know, like Santorian rituals, Vodan rituals,
Speaker 6: you know, they'll have a big party, you know, they'll
Speaker 6: summon pop Oligma and sacrifice an animal to him and
Speaker 6: then they'll cook it and eat it and feast afterwards,
Speaker 6: asking the spirit to partake in that in that feast
Speaker 6: with them. So it just depends on the type of
Speaker 6: ritual you're doing and why you're doing it. If you were,
Speaker 6: say you were going to do like a healing ritual
Speaker 6: for yourself, that is the case. Or when I've done
Speaker 6: them for other people, I've purchased doves, either doves or quail,
Speaker 6: and I'll literally I'll have the person laid down in
Speaker 6: the circle and i will cut the head off of
Speaker 6: the dove and spill the blood directly onto their body
Speaker 6: after I've drawn, like usually the sigil of Rafael. If
Speaker 6: it's an in person ritual, it's usually for healing, so
Speaker 6: I'll draw their sigil on their chest or even the forehead.
Speaker 6: Nobody likes getting bird blood in their face, so usually
Speaker 6: the chest, and I will sacrifice the dove, and then
Speaker 6: afterwards I will clean it and cook it for the
Speaker 6: person and feed it to them so they can take
Speaker 6: the energy from that sacrifice into themselves. That's the idea
Speaker 6: behind it.
Speaker 7: So whenever you're doing a sacrifice to a demonic entity,
Speaker 7: you're putting the entire animal into the fire.
Speaker 6: Yes, Or if I'm doing it sacrifice to an angelic
Speaker 6: for the purpose of healing at a distance. If I'm
Speaker 6: doing it for the person across the country, then I
Speaker 6: burned the entire thing, whereas if they were here in person,
Speaker 6: then I spilled the blood directly on their body and
Speaker 6: feed them the bird afterwards.
Speaker 3: So thists this is very interesting.
Speaker 7: So I know where I live, I don't know what
Speaker 7: state you live in in Louisiana. If you are doing
Speaker 7: a sacrifice for a religious purpose or whatever the case
Speaker 7: would be, and there's multiple religions around the world, that
Speaker 7: claim that they are not talking to angels or demons
Speaker 7: but their deities, whatever the case.
Speaker 3: Not here to judge or throw shade. But in this state,
Speaker 3: if you do.
Speaker 7: Perform a sacrifice, you have to eat the animal afterwards.
Speaker 7: Putting the entire animal carcass in the fire is actually
Speaker 7: illegal by state law. So I wonder if there might
Speaker 7: be a little more some more knowledge that was, you know,
Speaker 7: the lawmakers themselves when they wrote that down and struck
Speaker 7: it into law. I wonder if they knew a little
Speaker 7: bit more on the back end of that of like, hey,
Speaker 7: if you're throwing the whole animal into this, there's only
Speaker 7: one kind of thing you could be to talking about.
Speaker 7: If you're eating it afterwards, it may not be as bad.
Speaker 7: And like, I wonder if that might have been on
Speaker 7: their mind on that.
Speaker 6: I think that's exactly what's on their mind. And a
Speaker 6: lot of states, blood sacrifice during rachel is a legal period,
Speaker 6: right right, they've totally outlawed that in some states. Luckily,
Speaker 6: I did my research before I started talking about this
Speaker 6: shit publicly. I was in a state where I can
Speaker 6: do that there's no law against it, but certain states
Speaker 6: would lock you up for that. I mean they're not
Speaker 6: going to fucking know unless you advertise it. You know,
Speaker 6: like a CoP's not gonna roll up on you in
Speaker 6: your backyard and be like, hey, you just sacrifice the chicken,
Speaker 6: You're going to jail.
Speaker 7: But a lot of these people are trying to grow
Speaker 7: their group, so they'll put what they're doing on social media.
Speaker 7: And I don't mean to show how evil they are, like,
Speaker 7: nothing like that. Like, for instance, I know a crew
Speaker 7: of people in Louisiana that are of the Nordic pagan variety, right,
Speaker 7: and so they sacrificed a bore to thor right, and
Speaker 7: there was a whole ritual that they did, but they
Speaker 7: ate it afterwards, and they are trying to grow their sect,
Speaker 7: their kinship of Nordic pagans, so they put a lot
Speaker 7: of the stuff that they do up on social media
Speaker 7: as a way to promote themselves. The thing is this
Speaker 7: also would make animal rights activists lose their absolute fucking minds.
Speaker 7: So they are showing also that they are well within
Speaker 7: the realm of the law when they're doing these types
Speaker 7: of things. So you know, I understand the other side
Speaker 7: of that for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, animal rights activists can't really fuck with religion.
Speaker 6: I mean they could try. I've never had them come
Speaker 6: after me. They're welcome to if they want to, like
Speaker 6: have their entire organization destroyed. Bile means, but no, I
Speaker 6: don't get fucked with, bro.
Speaker 7: But like the animal cruelty conversation, though, if you are
Speaker 7: doing this with a still a live animal and throwing
Speaker 7: it in the fire, and you're trying to put that
Speaker 7: up on I'm just saying for people that are not
Speaker 7: doing your particular brand of it, but there are religious
Speaker 7: groups out there that do things differently. Cruelty to animals
Speaker 7: is against the law, and I do agree with that
Speaker 7: to a certain extent, Like I understand that, so I
Speaker 7: get why the laws are put down in the way
Speaker 7: that they are.
Speaker 3: But on the other side of that, there is.
Speaker 7: A conversation to say that the lawmakers when they originally
Speaker 7: put down the laws had at least a decent working
Speaker 7: understanding of left hand path things. So that might be
Speaker 7: why certain states and certain countries even have certain sacrifices
Speaker 7: and certain types of sacrifices that are completely outright illegal.
Speaker 6: Well, it's like in the US, you know, I free
Speaker 6: of a religion, which all this is covered under that
Speaker 6: and it's like, okay, well, we can't outlaw their religious practices,
Speaker 6: or we can't outlaw the religion, but we can outlaw
Speaker 6: their practices, you know. So we're going to make it
Speaker 6: illegal to be in a graveyard after dark because a
Speaker 6: lot of witches like to do shit in graveyards. It's
Speaker 6: illegal to plant flowers in a graveyard, not because they
Speaker 6: give a fuck if you plant flowers, because they wanted
Speaker 6: to outlaw digging in graveyards. And it's like, oh, well
Speaker 6: that's you know, to prevent grave robbing, Well, just outlaw
Speaker 6: grave robbing, don't outlaw digging period. That's because a lot
Speaker 6: of sympathetic magic, especially curses, call for you to put
Speaker 6: that sympathetic link in a box and bury it in
Speaker 6: the cemetery so they can. They're just trying to make
Speaker 6: it as difficult as possible for people to perform these rituals,
Speaker 6: but they can't tell you that you can't.
Speaker 7: Now, kind of circling back to my original question, why
Speaker 7: is it blood or life that is required? I've talked
Speaker 7: to quite a few people over the years that say
Speaker 7: that you can give your energy, your personal energy, into
Speaker 7: whatever you're doing, and it works just the same.
Speaker 3: You don't actually have to kill an animal or whatever.
Speaker 7: I don't have enough of a knowledge base to say
Speaker 7: if they are a little too hippie dippy or spiritual
Speaker 7: and they don't know what they're talking about, or if
Speaker 7: maybe that's just the type of thing that they're doing.
Speaker 7: Why do these entities require actual physical blood?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 6: Well, blood is spiritual currency. As to why that is,
Speaker 6: that's just the way the universe formed, man, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Well, in your research, you've done your digging into a
Speaker 7: lot of this stuff. So from what you found that,
Speaker 7: why is that the spiritual currency?
Speaker 6: Uh? Okay, Well, I mean you know, even Christ said
Speaker 6: the blood is the life, So I guess the blood
Speaker 6: is the life. And you know that's that is the
Speaker 6: life force energy that you are feeding. Now, you don't
Speaker 6: have to chop the head off a rooster to get
Speaker 6: results with magic, all right. You can use your own
Speaker 6: blood or put your own personal energy into it. I
Speaker 6: find that it's best to offer whatever you are capable
Speaker 6: of offering. So if I don't have chickens and I
Speaker 6: need to do a ritual, then I'm going to offer
Speaker 6: my own blood, you know, and that's going to be
Speaker 6: just as acceptable because that is as much as I
Speaker 6: can offer. That's I'm offering all I have. But if
Speaker 6: I've got a coop full of roosters out back and
Speaker 6: I summon an entity that prefers a blood sacrifice, but
Speaker 6: I'm too fucking lazy to go build a fire and
Speaker 6: set up a original space to do that, They're going
Speaker 6: to take that as a sign of disrespect. All right,
Speaker 6: But you know I've got I've got a client that's
Speaker 6: he's in prison. He has a cell phone somehow, somehow, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of them do.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 7: I have seen social media influencers that are currently locked
Speaker 7: up and it's like, bro, how the fuck are you posting?
Speaker 3: How do you have Wi Fi? But yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah. He put me for consultation, wanting me to give
Speaker 6: him a a crash course and how to perform ritual
Speaker 6: magic inside of his cell, inside of his prison cell.
Speaker 6: He's like, you know, I can't sacrifice the chicken. I
Speaker 6: can't do this. I can't do that. I was like, well,
Speaker 6: I know you got a fucking razor for cutting pickles
Speaker 6: laying up in there. Cut yourself off of your own blood.
Speaker 6: You got a pin in the paper, Yeah, draw the
Speaker 6: sigl and blood it yourself. You know, that's that's as
Speaker 6: much as you have to offer. That's going to be
Speaker 6: just as powerful as it would be if I sacrifice
Speaker 6: to rooster, as far as work, as far as evocation,
Speaker 6: like asking us hear to help you with something now
Speaker 6: when it comes to you know, it's also a power source.
Speaker 6: The sacrifice amplifies the power, all right. So, I mean
Speaker 6: there's all that extra energy. Whenever you chop the head
Speaker 6: off a rooster in a ritual setting, it's like setting
Speaker 6: off a bomb inside that ritual space. That energy, that
Speaker 6: life force energy explodes out of that body and then
Speaker 6: is contained within that circle and absorbed by the spirit.
Speaker 6: So so I go all out. I don't do anything
Speaker 6: half fast. If I can offer a sacrifice that I do.
Speaker 6: If I don't have one, then I use my own blow.
Speaker 6: I still get results either way.
Speaker 7: Okay, Now let me ask you if I may a
Speaker 7: little bit about the actual mechanics themselves of a ritual.
Speaker 7: And I understand that the situation dictates the type of
Speaker 7: ritual that you're performing, the type of entity that you
Speaker 7: are calling out to. I get all of that, but
Speaker 7: just break this down, and this might sound stupid. Are
Speaker 7: you wearing like a robe of some type. Are you
Speaker 7: using a very special like crazy curved dagger?
Speaker 3: The fire that you're using.
Speaker 7: Does it have to be made out of a specific
Speaker 7: type of wood? Like, yeah, I can't burn birch for
Speaker 7: this thing, but oak oak I could use for this.
Speaker 3: The altar does it have to be made of stone?
Speaker 7: Or it could a regular table with a cloth work
Speaker 7: like just random things like this that you see in movies.
Speaker 7: I'm just curious for the rituals that you are performing,
Speaker 7: the ceremonies that you're performing to what level do you
Speaker 7: take it with all that?
Speaker 6: I don't do anything for show, anything for aesthetics. When
Speaker 6: I perform these rituals, I wear jeans and a T shirt.
Speaker 6: I have a table that I lay my cloth over,
Speaker 6: you know, my rituals, my magic circle.
Speaker 3: Does it gro a plastic table or yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: Plastic table? It folds up. That's That's what I set
Speaker 6: all my ship on when I'm doing a ritual. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not going to knock people for wearing robes.
Speaker 6: I mean, like certain you know, rituals, it's considered to
Speaker 6: be formal and respectful.
Speaker 3: M what about the dag or the knife? Has that
Speaker 3: got to be a specific type.
Speaker 6: I use a song, machete.
Speaker 7: A saw, and a machete a sogg the company. Okay,
Speaker 7: I'll about to say, bro, what kind of sacrifice you
Speaker 7: need a saw for?
Speaker 3: Holy shit?
Speaker 6: I got I got to yeah, yeah, don't to. And
Speaker 6: like I said, to each their own, each system is different,
Speaker 6: each each person has their own personal brand of practice.
Speaker 6: Me personally, I don't play dress up. I don't need
Speaker 6: a special dagger. Anything will work. If I didn't have
Speaker 6: a machete, I'd use a kitchen knife.
Speaker 3: You know, do the entities see that as disrespectful? Though? Right?
Speaker 7: Like you said, when you have a guest coming over,
Speaker 7: you clean up your kitchen, you do things a certain way.
Speaker 7: The entities that you're calling out to, they don't see
Speaker 7: you as disrespectful because, oh what, you couldn't even clean
Speaker 7: yourself up. Bro, you couldn't even you couldn't even dress
Speaker 7: appropriately to address me. It's is it not like that?
Speaker 6: No, they're not gonna expect me to, like, you know,
Speaker 6: wear a robe or a suit and tie. I do
Speaker 6: clean myself. I take a shower before doing most of
Speaker 6: my rituals.
Speaker 7: You know, is that important or is that a personal
Speaker 7: preference that's a personal preference, okay.
Speaker 6: I mean what if I have to do a ritual
Speaker 6: for for something and I just happen to be dirty,
Speaker 6: you know, like like you, I mean, if I have
Speaker 6: time to take a shower and clean myself up and
Speaker 6: smell than I will. But I'm also not you know,
Speaker 6: having sex with these things. I'm giving them an exchange
Speaker 6: to sacrifice in exchange for for what I'm asking you.
Speaker 6: And you know, you can play dress up whatever whatever
Speaker 6: helps you get in that mind state, go for it.
Speaker 6: I've seen videos and rituals where they're wearing these big
Speaker 6: head dresses and ship that looks stupid.
Speaker 3: Singer of Ghost and Ship.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Like I don't like to knock anybody else's practices,
Speaker 6: all right, but if you're spending more time playing dress
Speaker 6: up than you are doing the actual ritual, then I
Speaker 6: mean there's a problem there in my And the reason
Speaker 6: magicians war hoods and robes back in the day was
Speaker 6: to hide their hide their face, hide their identity. You know,
Speaker 6: they'd sneak out because back when you get burned at
Speaker 6: the stake for this ship, if if it was still
Speaker 6: at least you know, if I could get burned at
Speaker 6: the stake for doing this and I had to sneak
Speaker 6: out in the woods to do it. Then, yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna wear an ask more a hood in road, right,
Speaker 6: you know? But I got freedom of religion in this country,
Speaker 6: at least as of now, we still have constitution. So
Speaker 6: instead of carrying wearing a sword, I carry a gun
Speaker 6: and I'm in jeans and a T shirt.
Speaker 3: Does that also work? Now?
Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought that distinction carrying a gun as
Speaker 7: opposed to carrying a sword. You said earlier, like you
Speaker 7: have to have an actual physical sword on you, and
Speaker 7: I do medieval fighting, so swords and axes and shit.
Speaker 7: I am here for I personally think we should bring
Speaker 7: back carrying swords as a regular standard procedure for a
Speaker 7: proper gint. Okay, that's just me, though, But I also
Speaker 7: believe that you should be carrying a weapon at all times,
Speaker 7: pistols and whatnot, because we live in a really fucked
Speaker 7: up world. But neither here or there on that point.
Speaker 7: As far as for the rituals that you are performing,
Speaker 7: does a gun equate to a sword or do you
Speaker 7: actually need to carry a sword for these things?
Speaker 5: All?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I have both you know, I
Speaker 6: have my ritual blade that's in the circle. I'm not
Speaker 6: holding it. They're wearing it the whole time. But now,
Speaker 6: I mean, I I hate the gun. Is uh, It's
Speaker 6: equivalent to wearing a sword. It's a show of strength
Speaker 6: depending what you know.
Speaker 3: Sound like you're gonna use it.
Speaker 7: You're not gonna shoot the demon or even stab the
Speaker 7: demon with the sword if he appears.
Speaker 3: That's not what it's for. It's for the showing of defense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's mainly for the weirdo that sneaks up
Speaker 6: on me in my backyard while I'm doing a ritual. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, but but I mean it's wearing a gun
Speaker 6: versus wearing a sword. I don't see a difference.
Speaker 3: Now, I also want to ask this.
Speaker 7: You brought up having your ceremonial sword inside the circle. Now,
Speaker 7: there are some types out there that believe that once
Speaker 7: you get to a certain level of power, you don't
Speaker 7: actually need to have a physical sword. As long as
Speaker 7: you think within your mind that you have a sword,
Speaker 7: then it's equate.
Speaker 3: It's an equal thing. You're saying that you actually have
Speaker 3: one physically. Is this?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's it's a necessary tool because I have
Speaker 6: to chop something's head off.
Speaker 7: Are you, Oh, so you're using the sword for that purpose?
Speaker 7: Or by sword you mean shady.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I mean it's I mean, it's a song.
Speaker 6: It's it's like a Roman gladys.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 6: But but now, whenever I was referencing wearing a sword,
Speaker 6: that was that was something that was written in the
Speaker 6: Book of Smoke with Fire and several other books talking
Speaker 6: about working with Jin. You know, it's like they recommend
Speaker 6: that you wear a sword when working with Gin, and
Speaker 6: I'm just like, well, wearing a gun is just as
Speaker 6: much of a show of strength. You know, that's a
Speaker 6: modern day sword.
Speaker 7: I'm with you, And like you said earlier, Jin Demon,
Speaker 7: is it really different. I personally agree with you that
Speaker 7: there are no differences between the two. But there are
Speaker 7: those that practice magic that say that you need to
Speaker 7: have a sword.
Speaker 3: There needs to be a shield.
Speaker 7: There's a few like items that need to be on
Speaker 7: your table or on your altar. Right And I'm not
Speaker 7: in a position where I could say that this is
Speaker 7: or is not bullshit, or to say that as long
Speaker 7: as you have the thought process in your head that
Speaker 7: you have a shield or a sword on your mental
Speaker 7: table for your mental ritual or whatever. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 7: where is the the lies and the true truth start
Speaker 7: to finish?
Speaker 3: In your opinion, I think.
Speaker 6: It just depends on the ritual that you're doing, the
Speaker 6: type of ritual, and the system that you're working in,
Speaker 6: you know. So let's say I'm gonna I'm gonna pick
Speaker 6: up a random grimoire about some type of ritual magic,
Speaker 6: could be anything, and it gives me a list of tools.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna need this, this, and that. Well, I'm going
Speaker 6: to go into that ritual. If I'm going to follow
Speaker 6: those instructions, I'm gonna follow them to a t, you know.
Speaker 6: So whether I think it's stupid or not to have
Speaker 6: something in there, I'm like, well it says it here
Speaker 6: in the book, so it's going to be there. But
Speaker 6: my personal rituals, all I have are tools. Like nothing
Speaker 6: is for show, absolutely nothing, Like everything that I bring
Speaker 6: out there has a specific use. So that's that's just
Speaker 6: me though.
Speaker 2: So that what what he's alluding to is I always
Speaker 2: mentioned the book called The Magickian written by Philip Cooper,
Speaker 2: and that's basically going into a ritual space having the
Speaker 2: sword and the show the chalice and the shield and
Speaker 2: stuff like that to be able to almost use as
Speaker 2: symbols within your mind and stuff like.
Speaker 4: That, like to carry out that kind of ritual.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would be necessarily for sacrifice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean if honestly, if I wasn't going to
Speaker 6: chop the head off or rooster, then I probably wouldn't
Speaker 6: even have a blade in the circle with me.
Speaker 3: Okay, makes sense.
Speaker 4: Do you just out of curiosity?
Speaker 2: Is there any level of like, do you pay any
Speaker 2: respect to the animal that you're about to sacrifice?
Speaker 6: Or absolutely, the sacrifice is basically worshiped up until the
Speaker 6: point that is sacrificed, and it's done in a completely
Speaker 6: humane way. They get as much food as they could
Speaker 6: possibly eat, they're happy, they are treated well, hell of
Speaker 6: a lot better than the slaughterhouses treat animals. So anytime
Speaker 6: somebody comes at me about oh, your sacrifice and animals,
Speaker 6: I'm like, do you eat meat? And they're just like yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 6: Those chickens you're buying in the grocery store or treated
Speaker 6: a hell of a lot worse than my chickens. My
Speaker 6: chickens are treated like royalty so you know, if you're
Speaker 6: not a vegan, then you can kiss my ass. And
Speaker 6: if you are a vegan, then you're a pussy. And
Speaker 6: I don't give a shit what you think.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 7: Are there are there vegan demon demonon types of people,
Speaker 7: not that I know, I feel like they're always.
Speaker 6: I feel like they're out there vegan magicians. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: So how are they performing these sacrifices if they're vegan?
Speaker 3: What what are they're not? Are they sacrificing pumpkins and shit?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: Not all the time are magicians sacrificing.
Speaker 7: I'm talking about this level of magician, not just people
Speaker 7: that claim that they're like we talked about earlier. There
Speaker 7: are those that claim that they're practicing things that they
Speaker 7: don't actually know what they're stepping off in. And there
Speaker 7: are those that are diving deep into it for their
Speaker 7: practical purposes.
Speaker 3: So like, what do the vegan sacrifice?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, those people are usually like really
Speaker 6: fat and really poor and really lonely. They don't get
Speaker 6: results from their magic. The white people, the white lighter
Speaker 6: people that would frown on animal sacri Yeah, they they're
Speaker 6: they're usually pussies.
Speaker 3: Heard that, heard that? And I can't necessarily disagree with
Speaker 3: that either. I think most vegans are.
Speaker 7: I say that, there's only two exceptions that I know of,
Speaker 7: and they're dudes that I serve with. They're not pussies,
Speaker 7: but they are vegans and they're I don't understand that.
Speaker 6: The possibly a vegan in the army, dude.
Speaker 7: Marine Corps. Yeah, in the fucking infantry of all things.
Speaker 7: I don't understand in the Army. Oh fucking yeah, there
Speaker 7: was no way a vegan and not starve.
Speaker 3: They went vegan after they got out.
Speaker 7: I should mention that, okay, but even still, like bro,
Speaker 7: one of them is a competition powerlifter, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: how are you getting enough protein and you're a vegan.
Speaker 7: He's like fucking pumpkin seeds, Dude, It's like fifty four
Speaker 7: grams per half cup. And I just eat that ship
Speaker 7: like it's going out of style. And I'm like, you
Speaker 7: gotta be fucking kidding me. But no, the results speak
Speaker 7: for themselves. I think he's crazy. But also I can't
Speaker 7: argue with the boy. I mean, look at him, but anyway.
Speaker 6: I like nothing but me, dude, like carnivore through.
Speaker 3: And through carnivore diet is clearly the way to go. Yeah, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 7: Okay, talking about these things here some out of the
Speaker 7: box conversations. And I don't know if you're about to
Speaker 7: shit on this group of people or not, but.
Speaker 3: I am curious.
Speaker 7: What is your take on sage when it comes to
Speaker 7: practical magic.
Speaker 6: Like like burning white sage. Yes, I do that on occasion,
Speaker 6: if I'm cleansing a house or doing exorcism. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 6: burn white sage. There's something that my you know, I
Speaker 6: grew up around, you know, my family. My mother did that,
Speaker 6: My grandmother did that. You know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 6: burn sage during my evocations. But if I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 6: all right, the energy is thick in here, I need
Speaker 6: to cleanse my house, then yeah, I'll hum agate with
Speaker 6: some white sage. Speaking exorcism, actually, take a black bowl,
Speaker 6: like a glass bowl, and I'll see a black candle
Speaker 6: in the center of it. You know, I'll drip some
Speaker 6: ax in there and stick it in, uh, fill it
Speaker 6: up with water and put a ship ton of salt
Speaker 6: in it, and then light the candle. You know, black
Speaker 6: candle pulls energy. Salt absorbs energy, pulls energy, and water
Speaker 6: is a spiritual gateway. So instead of like opening the
Speaker 6: windows and trying to make the bad energy fly out
Speaker 6: the fucking window, I'm like, no, I'm gonna open this
Speaker 6: vacuum gateway in the center of my house. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: shut all the fucking windows and then and then and
Speaker 6: then fire that thing up and anything that's in here
Speaker 6: gets sucked right through it. You ship the lights look
Speaker 6: brighter afterwards, like it's yeah, it makes the world a difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you clean your house, did it looks a
Speaker 5: lit writer?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: So why don't you use sage in your invocations?
Speaker 6: Because the spirit doesn't prefer it usually. I mean, I
Speaker 6: mean if if if it was working with an entity
Speaker 6: that said yes instead of incense burned white sage, then
Speaker 6: I would do it. I've never had an empty as
Speaker 6: asked for that. I don't recall ever reading in a
Speaker 6: grim more were specific spirit wanted that. That's usually like
Speaker 6: a spiritual repellen, you know, right, Yeah, No, I'm not
Speaker 6: trying to anything. I'm trying to call the darkness.
Speaker 3: In heard that. So you also mentioned incense.
Speaker 7: What type of incense are you typically using or is
Speaker 7: this also runs the gambit depending on what that particular
Speaker 7: entity ask for.
Speaker 6: It does depend on the anentity. Uh. Most of them
Speaker 6: like dragon's blood, some of them like coppol copal lavender
Speaker 6: is the great one. I used that one a lot,
Speaker 6: and sandal wood usually can't go wrong with sandal wood,
Speaker 6: So sandal wood and dragon's blood probably what I use
Speaker 6: Mostlile fers frankincense, you know, So I'll use franknsons when
Speaker 6: I but I mean, if I don't have frankincense, then
Speaker 6: whatever I have I'll use. Okay, I've only had him
Speaker 6: complain once. Like I was, I was doing a ritual
Speaker 6: with blot and I blocked this incense. It was frankincense
Speaker 6: and mirror huged together.
Speaker 3: I use that incense. I love that ship, all right.
Speaker 6: So I stuck in the ground, you know, lots of
Speaker 6: sticks around the fire. Let him on fire. I evoked
Speaker 6: thelile and I'm in the middle of trying to make
Speaker 6: the petition, and I hear him say, clear as day,
Speaker 6: this instance smells like shit. I'm like what he's like.
Speaker 6: It smells like shit.
Speaker 7: Like makes sense that a demon does not like frankinsense
Speaker 7: and mirr for the record out loud, that makes perfect
Speaker 7: sense to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but frankinsense, pure frankn sense is what he prefers.
Speaker 6: So it was like that fused with the murr, and
Speaker 6: so I go, I grab one out of the ground,
Speaker 6: like yeah, it does smell like ship when it's burning.
Speaker 6: So I'm pulling it all out of the ground, chucked
Speaker 6: it out in the woods, and ritual without incense because
Speaker 6: that was one of the only things I had at
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 7: So are in is incense a requirement or is that
Speaker 7: just kind of a as needed type of thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean it's it's it's appreciated, you know,
Speaker 6: like if you have it, great. But now, my first
Speaker 6: new vocation I did, it was zero tools, no nothing,
Speaker 6: no sigil, no incense, no nothing. I just knew the
Speaker 6: name of the entity and the demonic in and the
Speaker 6: chant to initiate spiritual packs. And that's that's all you need,
Speaker 6: if that's all you If I was sitting in a prison,
Speaker 6: tele hopefully I'll never in one ever again. Uh but
Speaker 6: uh yeah, I can evoke a spirit without any tools
Speaker 6: if I had to. But if you have the tools,
Speaker 6: then it's great. It's respectful, all right, Yeah, like burn
Speaker 6: some incense. I always bring wine into the circle.
Speaker 3: What type of what type of wine?
Speaker 6: Usually red Burlow, sometimes some peno Gressio if that's all
Speaker 6: I got in the fridge, but usually red wine.
Speaker 3: Okay, they don't fuck with white too much.
Speaker 6: I mean I've never had one complain about white wine either,
Speaker 6: But I mean I prefer red bur Low myself, So
Speaker 6: that's that's what I use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I make yeah, that is.
Speaker 5: I make moonshine just for that peron, but it's just
Speaker 5: for using magic. I just make my own moonshine, which
Speaker 5: I recommend everyone doing because it's stupid easy. Anyone can
Speaker 5: make movie. Dude, It's it's so easy, dude, It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then behind is easier, though, I will say
Speaker 7: that at least when you make your own shine, you
Speaker 7: have to like build your own steal your own coil.
Speaker 3: It's not rocket science, but it takes some doing, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but uh, I just have an electric one.
Speaker 3: Oh you got an electric still? Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, because I'm not doing a lot.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't drink really so but yeah, I just I
Speaker 5: just finished distilling a batch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, but every.
Speaker 5: Everyone should learn how to do it. I feel like
Speaker 5: especially magicians man like moonshine is pretty cool to have around.
Speaker 7: Are you using the hearts and or are you just
Speaker 7: using the hearts or using the heads and the tails
Speaker 7: of that run as well.
Speaker 5: I'm using a sugar wash, so so I'm basically using
Speaker 5: the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so you're not worried about the points, what
Speaker 7: the beginning or the nasty he pits at the bottom
Speaker 7: of on.
Speaker 5: On a on a setup this small and with a
Speaker 5: sugar wash, it's not an issue interesting, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 5: so it's awesome too because you know, like as I'm
Speaker 5: making it, I'm blessing it. I blessed throughout the whole process.
Speaker 5: Every time I do anything, like to check it to
Speaker 5: see what percentage is at everything I do with it,
Speaker 5: every stage of the way, I'm blessing it. So it
Speaker 5: has like this really strong magical potency to it. And
Speaker 5: then yeah, you can use it as a libation, use
Speaker 5: it for fire scrying, you know, evocation. That's pretty bad.
Speaker 5: I think everyone should do it.
Speaker 7: Now on the same conversation crystals where you out with
Speaker 7: them now, I don't Again, I'm not trying to shit
Speaker 7: on people, but also if that does happen in this conversation,
Speaker 7: then Okay, I don't know to what realm dark practitional
Speaker 7: magic goes as far as crystals are concerned.
Speaker 3: What is your take?
Speaker 6: Crystal is a tool, you know, we put We put
Speaker 6: crystals in some of our radionics machines. Yeah, that's a yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean that's a Black magicians use crystals too, just
Speaker 6: usually for different purposes. Like I'll take a crystal if
Speaker 6: I want to like create a link, a pronic link
Speaker 6: to an entity, like I've done this with Blild and
Speaker 6: I'll take his sigil and or a sigil plate or
Speaker 6: his printed paper sigul, put into a bowl and offer
Speaker 6: a crystal in there and ask him to infuse that
Speaker 6: crystal with his energy and his essence so that I'll
Speaker 6: have like a continuous link to him. And then I'll
Speaker 6: spill all the blood from the rooster into that bowl
Speaker 6: on top of that crystal, and then I have to coagulates.
Speaker 6: I'll reach in there and get it out and put
Speaker 6: it in my pocket and keep it. Black tormaline. I've
Speaker 6: used that and to make what I call death batteries.
Speaker 6: And that's where I'll go, actually bury a chunk of
Speaker 6: black tormaline in a graveyard leave it there for seven
Speaker 6: days so it can soak up and saturate all that
Speaker 6: death energy. And I'll take that and put it on
Speaker 6: a radiotics box and pump it into a motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I don't like death energy.
Speaker 7: Dirrect me if I'm wrong, But a dead body has
Speaker 7: no more energy to give, right the energy has been
Speaker 7: extracted from them at that time.
Speaker 6: Not necessarily break this down for me. Yeah, death essence, dude,
Speaker 6: that's a you known nechromatic sorcery A lot of the
Speaker 6: cause or doing rituals in the graveyard surrounded by dead bodies.
Speaker 6: That's because the idea is that the graveyard and that
Speaker 6: earth is saturated with death essence, especially the older the
Speaker 6: graveyard and better you know, where the coffins have rotted
Speaker 6: away and the flesh is actually you know, in the dirt.
Speaker 6: The roots from the tree, Like if I'm gonna make
Speaker 6: like like you heard people making magic wands or whatever.
Speaker 6: I did that one time to see if I can
Speaker 6: fucking do it. And so I went and I cut
Speaker 6: a limb off of it. Was a giant oak tree
Speaker 6: in a graveyard surrounded by graves. I'm just like, these
Speaker 6: roots from this tree have got to be growing through
Speaker 6: these dead bodies, so and feeding off of them. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go cut a limb off this tree and make
Speaker 6: a wond out of it for baneful works and you
Speaker 6: know magic wand that's just that's a tool to channel
Speaker 6: your energy through, you know, like people like sit there
Speaker 6: and point it at something and just visualize what they're
Speaker 6: trying to do. And I mean, yeah, all this stuff
Speaker 6: is just tools to help the magician do what they're
Speaker 6: what they're trying to do. I mean, some practitioner will
Speaker 6: tell you all magic comes from within. You don't need
Speaker 6: the tools. Okay, maybe you don't, but sure as hell
Speaker 6: makes my job a lot fucking easier to have some tools.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so magic ones are real.
Speaker 6: Yeah okay, but could you build a house without a hammer?
Speaker 5: You know. And the thing with magical tools too, they
Speaker 5: get stronger and smarter the more you use them, just
Speaker 5: like radionics machines, you know, they get concentrated with energy.
Speaker 5: And same with like a room, like if you just
Speaker 5: do magic in one room of the house and that's
Speaker 5: where you do magic, especially if it's a room just
Speaker 5: for doing magic, a bona fide temple, like like after
Speaker 5: a couple of years, that energy it gets so concentrated
Speaker 5: that you can just do anything and get really solid results.
Speaker 5: You can think of someone and then almost like see
Speaker 5: them having a conversation. You know, you can just hone
Speaker 5: in on people. It's just yeah, the concentration of energy.
Speaker 5: It's because it's not just a tool itself, but like
Speaker 5: the more you use it, it becomes stronger than if
Speaker 5: you just didn't have it.
Speaker 7: So it's like cast iron, the more you use it,
Speaker 7: the more season it gets, the better it is for
Speaker 7: cooking exactly.
Speaker 5: And I like using cast iron and magic.
Speaker 3: So in magic, all right, for what purpose? Break this down?
Speaker 5: Like you know, like burning my petitions and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Mostly for that purpose to make sure something doesn't fly off.
Speaker 5: But like like downstairs, that's usually when I work with
Speaker 5: like more infernal spirits, and I have a little cast
Speaker 5: iron pan there. It's like at least fifty years old.
Speaker 5: I don't know how old it is, but it could
Speaker 5: go back to the seventies. But super nice. But yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I'll put my petition on piece of paper,
Speaker 5: put a drop of blood on it, light it in
Speaker 5: the thing. But yeah, I like using cast iron, you know.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right now, kind of going off topic, but
Speaker 7: still in the same conversation, right, what is your opinion
Speaker 7: on Alistair? Actually, no, let's start from the beginning. Let's start,
Speaker 7: let's start even more current base. What is your opinion
Speaker 7: on anton Levey?
Speaker 6: My personal opinion, yes.
Speaker 7: In the realm, not of him as a human being.
Speaker 7: That I mean that's subject to open interpretation here. I
Speaker 7: mean as far as the things that he wrote down,
Speaker 7: the things that he believed, the movement that some would
Speaker 7: say that he started, and as that pertains to what
Speaker 7: you do for your work, what is your opinion of
Speaker 7: the man?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 6: I mean, well, obviously you know, I didn't know him personally,
Speaker 6: has a pleasure to meet him or anything like that.
Speaker 6: I know they marketed Satanism is like like they were
Speaker 6: like atheists and they all devil's an archetype. We don't
Speaker 6: really believe in demons, We don't believe this stuff like that.
Speaker 6: But but antonona A still performed like curses and ritual
Speaker 6: magic and claimed to have killed people using it. And
Speaker 6: I saw an interview with him a long time ago,
Speaker 6: and you know they were asking M, like you actually
Speaker 6: do like spell work, like ritual magic, voodoo dolls, things
Speaker 6: like that, and he was like, yeah, it works. It worked,
Speaker 6: you know, thousands of years ago, it still works today.
Speaker 6: So I mean, obviously the dude was practicing some type
Speaker 6: of real ritual magic, if any of that's true. Doben
Speaker 6: never joined like an organization or anything like that, especially
Speaker 6: not like an atheistic organization, and part of me wonders
Speaker 6: if they're just like that's just how they package it
Speaker 6: and sell it. I don't know, but the Church of
Speaker 6: Satan was all about showmanship, you know, it was putting
Speaker 6: on a show, just like churches do. At least they
Speaker 6: were they were honest about it at least, But that's
Speaker 6: that's definitely not my type of my clique.
Speaker 5: It's also important because you know, it's nineteen sixties, so
Speaker 5: I can see him being more of a theistic and
Speaker 5: more of a spiritual Satanist and then framing it as
Speaker 5: an atheist just to make it more palatable for nineteen
Speaker 5: sixty culture, you know. So that's possible. But one thing
Speaker 5: I want to say, though, is because a lot of
Speaker 5: people think the guy's are fraud and he might be
Speaker 5: part fraud, who knows, but a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of mixed feelings about the guy, and
Speaker 5: and even though a lot of the Satanic Bible was
Speaker 5: plagiarized from Mitas right, it was still an insanely important
Speaker 5: book to have happened, you know, if that was something
Speaker 5: that changed a lot of people's lives, you know, and
Speaker 5: and it's a lot of people's introduction, you know, into magic.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: So even though like a lot of like the atheistic Satanists,
Speaker 5: I consider them a joke, but you know, not to
Speaker 5: be a dick or anything, but I don't mean especially
Speaker 5: what it's devaulved into now. They're just like basically boot
Speaker 5: liquors for the system.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of fucking cuts as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 7: And that's why I asked, because most people have talked
Speaker 7: to that at least dabble into the realm of practical
Speaker 7: magic in the left hand path, and things cannot stand lovey,
Speaker 7: I mean hell, he by his own emission, says, the biggest.
Speaker 3: Evil you can do is masturbation. Like his words, not mine.
Speaker 7: He's basically saying like, oh, you think you're so evil,
Speaker 7: but you don't even have the balls to spit in
Speaker 7: God's face by spilling your sea, which is the ultimate
Speaker 7: evil pussy And it's like, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like you missed a couple of steps there, my guy.
Speaker 2: Right, the French called the orgasm a little death or
Speaker 2: a tiny death or something like that.
Speaker 7: Right, mort Yeah, but I mean even still, it just
Speaker 7: it always felt weird to me that that was what
Speaker 7: he considered the ultimate evil sacrificing animal. That's cool masturbation though,
Speaker 7: that's the fucking kicker.
Speaker 6: Boy.
Speaker 3: It's like, I feel like you're an early Inceel.
Speaker 7: And like you said, a lot of people say that
Speaker 7: he was a grifter because at one point in time
Speaker 7: it seemed to be all about the showmanship and all
Speaker 7: about the money of it. And you know, I just
Speaker 7: didn't know if y'all personally had a take on that situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I just think it's like one of those things,
Speaker 5: like it or not, the Satanic Bible was extremely important.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: Now, Actually, earlier today we brought up Edward Kelly and
Speaker 2: John Deep.
Speaker 7: We're going there in a minute. Hold on, I want
Speaker 7: to ask Hi about Crowley. First, we're starting, then we're
Speaker 7: going back. Okay, I gotcha, Yeah, Now, next question, Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 3: What is y'all's take on him?
Speaker 6: Good Barth?
Speaker 5: All right, Well, uh, another one of those guys like
Speaker 5: him or love him. He was really important. But uh,
Speaker 5: you know, uh, I wouldn't trust that guy alone with children.
Speaker 3: At point.
Speaker 7: You know, do y'all believe that he was practicing real
Speaker 7: left hand path magic?
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially later on when he got when he became
Speaker 5: like a drug gaddict and uh, you know, and him
Speaker 5: and a bunch of his friends were just like super
Speaker 5: degenerate at that time, and they were going like really
Speaker 5: hard on transgression. Uh. And yeah, I think Alsta Crowley
Speaker 5: one was the real deal for sure, There's no way
Speaker 5: around it, you know. And then you also got to think,
Speaker 5: you know, because he brought yoga to America, is like
Speaker 5: one of those guys that really brought yoga to America,
Speaker 5: one of the first to do it. And you got
Speaker 5: to think, though, you know, like eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 5: it wasn't like you could just like go to a
Speaker 5: yoga studio with your little yoga matt and your Starbucks
Speaker 5: coffee and learn yoga. You know. He probably had to
Speaker 5: like take a train, take a boat, take a bush plane,
Speaker 5: take a motorcycle taxi all the way up this mountain.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you just said, some guy talked about the
Speaker 7: drugs and the the djin of it all, right, why
Speaker 7: is that so endemic to those that operate in the
Speaker 7: left hand path? Not one hundred percent rule by any means,
Speaker 7: but it seems like that is a vibe that goes
Speaker 7: along with that culture.
Speaker 3: Why is this?
Speaker 5: It's a pitfall, man, And it means the same with
Speaker 5: musicians and rockstar culture and metal heads. You know, like
Speaker 5: how many metal heads look the same lifestyle rappers, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and a lot of it is from the do as will.
Speaker 5: A lot of people have like a misinterpretation of it,
Speaker 5: and I kind of use it as a just to
Speaker 5: be excessive, you know. But here's and here's the other thing,
Speaker 5: you know, because because a lot of people do get
Speaker 5: into magic, are like musicians and artists and stuff who
Speaker 5: are already prone to that kind of lifestyle. But it is,
Speaker 5: but it is a pitfall. And same with the metal heads,
Speaker 5: you know, Like I like a lot of like metal musicians.
Speaker 5: You know, they'll almost start start off looking kind of
Speaker 5: like almost like elves, you know, like like skinny and
Speaker 5: healthy looking and clean coat, me long hair, you know,
Speaker 5: and then like after like twenty years of like brutal
Speaker 5: death metal and living off pizza and beer. They kind
Speaker 5: of as look like trolls.
Speaker 3: You know, no doubt.
Speaker 7: But a lot of metal musicians also they're doing it
Speaker 7: for the aesthetic. I feel like a lot of them
Speaker 7: are not actually dabbling in the dark arts. There are
Speaker 7: some that clearly some for sure, but a lot of
Speaker 7: it's just because like that's what the genre expects of them,
Speaker 7: kind of thing.
Speaker 5: You want to hear some shit on that. Okay, So
Speaker 5: this this band was auditioning for a bass player, right,
Speaker 5: and they look like all their influences and what they're
Speaker 5: kind of going for, and it was all like like
Speaker 5: a cult and like blood magic and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: And then when I get there and actually start talking
Speaker 5: about magic and stuff, I could tell it right away
Speaker 5: that it was like, uh right, like it was too much,
Speaker 5: you know, it was too much for them. They're like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, exactly. Yeah. So I was kind of disillusioned
Speaker 5: after that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I laughed it off, you know, but I
Speaker 3: get it though.
Speaker 7: So you're saying that it's kind of a pitfall that
Speaker 7: goes along with this with the whole do as thou
Speaker 7: wilt thing, which does your both of you all's practice
Speaker 7: does fall in line would do as thou wilt.
Speaker 6: Correct, I'm not I guess okay, So do as thou
Speaker 6: wilt does not mean do whatever you want. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: the misinterpretation. I think you were talking about Byron. Yeah
Speaker 6: as hard as like, what what do I think about
Speaker 6: Crowley or Crawley. I think he did some important things
Speaker 6: to make He wrote some good things whatnot that have
Speaker 6: helped people on on the left hand path. But I
Speaker 6: mean personally, I think he was a sick motherfucker and
Speaker 6: if we were to be in the same room together
Speaker 6: for long, no doubt I'd end up beating the ship
Speaker 6: out of that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would say that he was a true practitioner, correct.
Speaker 6: I think he really did practice ritual magic. And I
Speaker 6: also think he was a sick, twisted weirdo that took
Speaker 6: it up the ass. And I like to put people
Speaker 6: up to you know, fun goats and slitting their throats
Speaker 6: and shit. Yeah, doing that with kids around, like.
Speaker 5: Slipping drugs in their drinks and yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 6: We gotta be honest about what the character of that man.
Speaker 6: He made an awesome tarot deck us deck.
Speaker 3: He wrote some.
Speaker 6: Good ship, but he also rested really sick, twisted shit,
Speaker 6: and me personally, i'd probably executed him.
Speaker 7: My biggest which I agree with everything you're saying, by
Speaker 7: the way, but I just my biggest issue with him
Speaker 7: is that if at least by his own emission, he
Speaker 7: was like the most powerful, he was the deepest into
Speaker 7: the darker colt and all these things. My biggest issue
Speaker 7: with that is that the Battle at Blyth Road would
Speaker 7: say that that's a fucking lie.
Speaker 3: You gentlemen are familiar with this story, correct.
Speaker 6: No, no, okay, so not really, but I know that
Speaker 6: he spent a lot of time in a fucking nursing
Speaker 6: home with a severe drug addiction. That's not powerful.
Speaker 3: No, it is not. No, it is not.
Speaker 7: So the TLDR of the Battle of blath Road, he
Speaker 7: was with the Order of the Golden Dawn. Later they
Speaker 7: became all right, find cool things. Is before he found
Speaker 7: it the Lima and all that came a little bit later.
Speaker 7: This is the early nineteen twenties or late nineteen teens,
Speaker 7: I believe, and it was in England, and you know,
Speaker 7: he had a falling out with them because there was
Speaker 7: already a big schism going on with Blovotsky and her
Speaker 7: Eastern methodology to things and.
Speaker 3: Forget the guy's name.
Speaker 7: It was an Irish guy and his more western esoteric
Speaker 7: thinking of things. So there was already kind of a
Speaker 7: schism going on between the Order of the Golden Dawn,
Speaker 7: and he decided he wanted to take the reins, and
Speaker 7: everybody pretty much told him, bro, shut up, like you're
Speaker 7: not even close to the top dog here, relaxed.
Speaker 3: So he goes off.
Speaker 7: He does a bunch of incantations and spells, and you know,
Speaker 7: I think he actually did some sacrifices and all these things.
Speaker 7: He decides to go up to the main temple of
Speaker 7: the Order of the Golden Dawn and he was going
Speaker 7: to start casting some curses at these motherfuckers. So he
Speaker 7: gets there and all the top dogs happened to be there.
Speaker 7: He made sure it was on a meeting night, so
Speaker 7: everybody was in attendance. He walks in and he starts
Speaker 7: throwing his hand signs and his magic sigils, and he's
Speaker 7: doing his incante and they start doing it back at him,
Speaker 7: like this is a straight up some sort of a
Speaker 7: weird Star Wars Battle of the Force going on. And
Speaker 7: then as he got closer and closer, spitting that demonic shit,
Speaker 7: your boy decided he had enough and just fucking roundhouse Crowley,
Speaker 7: and then the rest of them came around.
Speaker 3: And kept stomping him until the cops came and pulled
Speaker 3: him out of there.
Speaker 7: I have a hard time believing that if he was
Speaker 7: such a hardcore dark magician that he would have been
Speaker 7: so easily roundhoused and shit, especially if he was in
Speaker 7: his moment doing all the things right.
Speaker 3: So, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I think he was personally a massive piece of shit,
Speaker 7: and I also think that that's what he was doing.
Speaker 7: He was like doing it for the purpose of being
Speaker 7: a massive piece of shit.
Speaker 4: It was also a human though, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: so is both of them.
Speaker 3: Then they both practice these things.
Speaker 4: Well, a roundhouse is going to take out most people.
Speaker 7: To me, yeah, other of them have claimed that they
Speaker 7: would be able to do a force field around them.
Speaker 7: Neither of them have made such a claim, Nor am
Speaker 7: I saying that they have. I'm just saying they're like, yes,
Speaker 7: they're both real human beings that are really performing these
Speaker 7: dark arts. Crowley was a real human being performing dark arts.
Speaker 7: I think he just took it to a level to
Speaker 7: where it was like, bro, first of all, calm down,
Speaker 7: just just calming on down.
Speaker 6: You know. Well, if I'm in if I'm in the
Speaker 6: circle doing one of my rituals, in all of my glory,
Speaker 6: and you can whack me in the head with a hammer,
Speaker 6: I'm still gonna go down, you know. So, I mean,
Speaker 6: and where I think you went wrong is I mean,
Speaker 6: that's kind of a pussy ass move. If I got
Speaker 6: a problem with you and we're in the same room,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna rip your face off with my hands. I
Speaker 6: don't fuck curseing you to your face. I will use
Speaker 6: curses on people and I can't physically get my hands
Speaker 6: on them. If I have an issue, I don't go
Speaker 6: straight to magic like I will come to your house
Speaker 6: and stomp you out if it's that bad.
Speaker 7: Okay with you, But is there not a curse that
Speaker 7: could be done in such a way, like almost in
Speaker 7: a movie esque type of way here of like you
Speaker 7: like throw a curse at somebody and it fucking hits
Speaker 7: some Harry Potter style. Do these types of things exist
Speaker 7: or not at all?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 6: Well, I know a magical command word to give someone
Speaker 6: a panic attack, and you would use that on them
Speaker 6: in person. You just look at them and speak the
Speaker 6: word and it induces fear and terror as far as
Speaker 6: like dropping somebody killing them. I've heard stories about magicians
Speaker 6: that could do things like that, but it obviously didn't
Speaker 6: work for Crowley, and I haven't figured out how to
Speaker 6: do it yet. But I've never tried to do it either.
Speaker 6: If I'm that close to you, I'm'll punch in the face.
Speaker 6: Fucks magic, bro Listen, just like.
Speaker 3: Men heard that.
Speaker 5: One thing I want to say about it, though, is like,
Speaker 5: one hundred years after the fact, a lot of people
Speaker 5: are still under the influence of his magic. Yeah, what
Speaker 5: do you mean now, Like like a lot of people,
Speaker 5: like even all the Truthers still talking about him, you know,
Speaker 5: all the Croley fanboys still talking about him, all the
Speaker 5: things he's set in motion. I mean even the whole
Speaker 5: like hippies, you know, sixties, seventies and eighties, nineties, you
Speaker 5: know was also a huge a decade for Croley. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot of people are still today. So imagine doing
Speaker 5: magic one hundred years ago and it still hasn't fizzled
Speaker 5: out yet.
Speaker 7: By that, you mean like people are still talking about
Speaker 7: the ship that you did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and the stuff that he's set in motion
Speaker 5: is still at.
Speaker 7: Work today, like some of the spells and incantations that
Speaker 7: he did.
Speaker 5: You mean, yeah, like a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 5: he set in motion is still at work today, like.
Speaker 4: Still keeping them alive in spirit essentially.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, was that too?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean you're talking about like at this point, he's
Speaker 5: practically a deity or a demon or whatever, you know,
Speaker 5: like you could summon him and work with them at
Speaker 5: this point. You know, imagine how many people are feeding
Speaker 5: his egg after his death, you know. So, so I
Speaker 5: mean he's he's almost deified at this point, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean he's up there with like George Washington.
Speaker 7: Okay, now, Byron, I heard you say Gore, So you
Speaker 7: absolutely believe in these things?
Speaker 3: My boy? Do you believe in them as well? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you can create it in a Greg Goork. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a thought for him.
Speaker 7: So you do believe that you can in fact manifest
Speaker 7: a agger Gore or a Tulpa in that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good term for it. Yeah, that's possible.
Speaker 6: I believe that.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about Golams.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I've never I mean I've I've researched it.
Speaker 6: Have I thought about doing an experiment trying to make
Speaker 6: a gom Yeah, I've thought about it, but yeah, I
Speaker 6: have no idea if it would work or not.
Speaker 3: Lord Byron, your thoughts on Golam.
Speaker 5: I look at it as just a servatory. And yeah,
Speaker 5: I have a bunch of servators. Yeah, I got a
Speaker 5: bunch right next to me.
Speaker 6: Making a man out of clay and the magic symbol
Speaker 6: and its animated.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I doubt that's that's what's going on. I'm
Speaker 5: sure the the golam is just a servator, you know,
Speaker 5: I guarantee, because the you know, like like in the
Speaker 5: one story with the Rabbi, the golam just sat in
Speaker 5: the corner, you know, and then and then they just
Speaker 5: kept feeding it and feeding it and feeding it.
Speaker 7: Okay, So you're not of the belief that a golam
Speaker 7: a clayman with the sigil or the Hebrew words on
Speaker 7: the forehead, whatever the case. You're not of the belief
Speaker 7: that this thing will actually like animate itself and come
Speaker 7: to life, not in the way that the legend suggests.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's still gonna come to life, and it's
Speaker 5: still gonna finish the job it has to do. It's
Speaker 5: just not gonna, you know, the physical clay vessel isn't
Speaker 5: gonna move around. It might move a little bit in
Speaker 5: your temple, you know, you might you know, notice it
Speaker 5: over here, you know, but just.
Speaker 4: Not in the literal physically moving kind of sense.
Speaker 3: No, No, okay, I don't think so fair.
Speaker 5: But the servatoris are one of those things where I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people should should get into that.
Speaker 5: You know, they're not as strong as Yeah they're not
Speaker 5: as they're not as strong as like something like Belile
Speaker 5: or prime On or something, but they're still some cool
Speaker 5: sif you can do a servators. A servator is an
Speaker 5: artificial spirit. Yeah, it's basically just.
Speaker 7: An artificial spirit that's marvel here in the servatory right here, baby,
Speaker 7: So Edgar Tulpa, you're you're using that's servitor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're you're you're you're creating for that specific purpose,
Speaker 5: and you can turn it into aniggard by having other
Speaker 5: people you know work with it.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 6: No, but uh but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, servators are great. You know, I think in uh,
Speaker 5: they say it's advanced, I wouldn't really call it advance
Speaker 5: and someone someone could probably make pretty effective servatories after
Speaker 5: like a year or two doing magic if they're you know,
Speaker 5: had a study practice.
Speaker 7: Fair enough, all right, now going back into time Edward Kelly,
Speaker 7: John D. What is your gentleman's opinion on these two individuals?
Speaker 7: Me and Jonathan were having a conversation about them earlier.
Speaker 7: I actually Jonathan did a little bit of extra research before,
Speaker 7: like in between shooting earlier and shooting now. I have
Speaker 7: a whole different take on Edward Kelly, but I want
Speaker 7: to hear their opinion first and.
Speaker 3: Whatnot.
Speaker 7: Not well that but Edward Kelly himself, honestly, But and
Speaker 7: then I guess second tier John D.
Speaker 3: I'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker 7: But first, gentlemen, what is y'all's take on these two individuals?
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know, man, it's a weird story.
Speaker 5: Who knows, because whenever you go back in time that far,
Speaker 5: it's who knows how much of it's even true? I
Speaker 5: don't know. It's it's it's pretty weird, you know. Like
Speaker 5: everyone thinks Edward Kelly was like a like a like
Speaker 5: a scammer. You know, he defrauded a few people. Some
Speaker 5: people think he lost his ear from ripping some people
Speaker 5: off or something. I don't know, man, But the whole
Speaker 5: like wife swapping thing, definitely gets a little weird.
Speaker 7: And but you're hitting the nail on the head. I
Speaker 7: didn't know any of these things before I did some research. So, JS,
Speaker 7: what is your thoughts on these two individuals.
Speaker 6: I really don't know enough about either one of them
Speaker 6: to give an opinion. You mentioned wife swapping. They were
Speaker 6: into that.
Speaker 3: At one point, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5: So. I think Edward Kelly kind of hustled that. I
Speaker 5: think he was like, oh, yeah, the angels they so
Speaker 5: that's pretty much what we're gonna do tonight, right.
Speaker 6: So I don't I don't respect people that swap wives.
Speaker 7: Fair enough, okay. So, and for the record, it's not
Speaker 7: like they were into the swinger thing. It was allegedly
Speaker 7: a one time thing. And let me all right the
Speaker 7: breakdown this. So John d very famous polymath, dark magician, occultist,
Speaker 7: all of these things. He was in multiple royal courts
Speaker 7: for his ability to do alchemy and sorcery in things
Speaker 7: of the like, right, and he was well known before
Speaker 7: Edward Kelly ever came about. Then Edward Kelly hooked up
Speaker 7: with him and was like, Hey, I like the things
Speaker 7: you're doing.
Speaker 3: Let me train under you. We need to work together.
Speaker 7: And at first John d was kind of like, ah,
Speaker 7: I don't really know your credentials ain't exactly credentialing at
Speaker 7: this time. We'll see how it goes, but I'm not
Speaker 7: exactly going to bring you in under my wing. Right
Speaker 7: cut to they both are under the uh they're in
Speaker 7: the court of Rudolph the second, which was a Austrian
Speaker 7: and Bavarian king. We would now call that German, but
Speaker 7: he was a part of the Habsburg dynasty. They later
Speaker 7: on went to England and under the same thing. Because
Speaker 7: you know, all the royals were cousins and all these
Speaker 7: things neither here nor there. So apparently Edward Kelly could
Speaker 7: talk to angels, right, he could invoke them. He was
Speaker 7: doing crystal scrying and all these things. And when you
Speaker 7: read what these version of crystal scrying that he was doing,
Speaker 7: it sounds a whole hell of a lot like your
Speaker 7: boy Joseph Smith with the Mormons. And how only he
Speaker 7: could look through the moonstone and write down what it said,
Speaker 7: but don't question it otherwise it won't work.
Speaker 3: But whatever, whatever.
Speaker 7: Then because of this he came up with the Anochian
Speaker 7: alphabet and the Anochian language completely. He was the only
Speaker 7: one that could even have this because he just like
Speaker 7: had the gift cut to one day. And keep in
Speaker 7: mind to your point that you made Lord Byron, both
Speaker 7: him and John D's had both of their ears clipped
Speaker 7: because they had already been caught in fraud from years past.
Speaker 7: John Dee was able to kind of restore his image
Speaker 7: in the court of the royals, but he had a
Speaker 7: rough art.
Speaker 3: We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 7: Edward Kelly was also a known hoaxer, which is why
Speaker 7: he had his ears clipped. But whatever, and there are
Speaker 7: some that say, oh, we had his ears clips because
Speaker 7: he was practicing alchemy and that was an evil science
Speaker 7: and that's why it was clipped.
Speaker 3: But if that was the case, then why was he
Speaker 3: being invited to the royal courts? If they knew that
Speaker 3: he was evil?
Speaker 7: Why would the kings, who were ordained by God to
Speaker 7: lead be bringing these guys in. So I think there's
Speaker 7: kind of a weird, not understood sentiment there. But moving on,
Speaker 7: he was doing his scrying and he came to the
Speaker 7: realization that the angels told him that John Dee and
Speaker 7: him had to swap wives for whatever practice that they
Speaker 7: were trying to accomplish. John Dee believed him hook line
Speaker 7: and sinker and told his wife.
Speaker 3: His wife apparently wept for half an hour or a
Speaker 3: quarter of an hour over.
Speaker 7: This, and then after about five months of getting used
Speaker 7: to the idea, they finally made.
Speaker 3: A wife swap thing happen.
Speaker 7: This led to John Dee completely severing all ties with
Speaker 7: Everard Kelly, and he ended up ousting him and telling
Speaker 7: him get the fuck out of the court of King Rudolph,
Speaker 7: because I got shit, I'm actually working on here and
Speaker 7: you're full of shit. He goes back to England and
Speaker 7: gets put to death because he continued to grift and
Speaker 7: lie on all these things. But there are so many
Speaker 7: people that believe even though again known fraudster, even the
Speaker 7: man himself, John d called him such. There are so
Speaker 7: many people out there that work in this realm or
Speaker 7: at least dabble, that believe that these two guys are
Speaker 7: like the quintessential polymath, alchemist, occultist dark magicians, and if
Speaker 7: you're not reading their books, then you're not even fucking
Speaker 7: doing magic.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 7: I don't know, I personally have no dog in that fight,
Speaker 7: but it sounds very much of the Levee and the
Speaker 7: Crowley realm to me, of like maybe they were accurate
Speaker 7: to some degree on what they were doing, but I
Speaker 7: also feel like a lot of what they were doing
Speaker 7: was more for the hype and to stay in the
Speaker 7: good graces of the king.
Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah, it sounds like dude tricked his
Speaker 6: buddy and the lending fuck.
Speaker 5: Is yeah, that's totally what. But uh, you know, it's
Speaker 5: hard to say, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, so.
Speaker 5: When it comes to magic, to the person doing the magic,
Speaker 5: it's like this really profound thing, you know, like you know,
Speaker 5: that feeling when you and your you're like a teenager
Speaker 5: or something, you and your buddies like eat some mask
Speaker 5: it or eat some mushrooms for like the first time,
Speaker 5: you know, and you guys have this huge profound moment
Speaker 5: and it's almost hard to comprehend like how profound it was.
Speaker 5: But if you're to see like a camera of what
Speaker 5: they were doing all day, they would just be like
Speaker 5: sitting on the couch giggling at nothing, you know. So
Speaker 5: so I could see it being difficult to like verify
Speaker 5: certain things back then, and especially when you're talking about
Speaker 5: someone who's profane, uh just not getting it, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's look at the Aminuville horror story that
Speaker 5: house was like severely haunted. The stories that were coming
Speaker 5: out of that were like really bad. But what the
Speaker 5: movie guys got there and this is they looked at
Speaker 5: it like a low level haunting because it's not exactly
Speaker 5: like camera ready phenomenon, you know, because because a lot
Speaker 5: of the stuff that's going on is really internal and
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff going on, So it's just one
Speaker 5: of those things. So they made them like make up
Speaker 5: more stuff for that. But even though the original story
Speaker 5: of what was happening was a pretty brutal haunting, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just not like nineteen eighties Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Well, and also, like the idea of scrying, I would
Speaker 2: understand why somebody would say, well, I'm the only one
Speaker 2: that can see this thing as I'm scrying, because it's
Speaker 2: scrying is you're not necessarily seeing something manifest in the
Speaker 2: crystal ball. You're using the scrying mirror or the ball
Speaker 2: or whatever as a tool to be able to almost
Speaker 2: gaze and put you in more of a meditative state
Speaker 2: in order to be able to comprehend.
Speaker 5: So it's basically just like how fast you can get
Speaker 5: a download. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: But do you all believe that Edward was actually scrying
Speaker 7: or was he grifting and just doing enough things to
Speaker 7: stay in the good graces of John D's. Because I'm
Speaker 7: not saying he was the beginning of scrying by any means.
Speaker 7: I will say that a lot of people that get
Speaker 7: into scrying start referencing him because he was one of
Speaker 7: the more famous guys to do and start writing.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's hard to say, you know, because it's
Speaker 12: also like it if he was decent at scrying, you know,
Speaker 12: like I don't know, because like a lot of people
Speaker 12: practice crying, you know.
Speaker 5: So so so it's possible that he was actually pretty
Speaker 5: decent at scrying and he was.
Speaker 3: Still hustling, so to be true at the same time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you see what I'm saying, Like, and then it's
Speaker 5: just like how good you are at scrying too, you know,
Speaker 5: like because you can you can go to like three
Speaker 5: different tarot card readers and get three different readings for
Speaker 5: the same question, right right.
Speaker 3: You know, I get this.
Speaker 7: I just I got a hard time wrapping my head
Speaker 7: around this. I find it to be the same as
Speaker 7: if and I know this is not an apple to
Speaker 7: apples comparison here, but bear with me. Let's say that
Speaker 7: you got this pastor over this congregation, and he's been
Speaker 7: there for ten years, bro, and he has been slaying it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: He is on one, he is walking with God daily,
Speaker 7: all the things, all the stuff. Then you find out
Speaker 7: that he's been having an affair, you know, on his
Speaker 7: wife for the past eight years. But he's been saying
Speaker 7: really good things for the last ten years. Though all
Speaker 7: of his sermons are great. It's like, yeah, well, I'm
Speaker 7: not going to listen to a fucking thing this guy says,
Speaker 7: like there's no way.
Speaker 3: Although yes, his sermons were on the money, and.
Speaker 7: Like, if you were to listen to it on YouTube
Speaker 7: right now, man, that was a great sermon, a great message.
Speaker 7: He is a piece of shit, So that kind of
Speaker 7: detracts from everything else that was said about him, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally totally. And here's another thing too, Like let's
Speaker 5: say he couldn't scry. You can still get divine messages
Speaker 5: as long as you can tap into that stream of consciousness,
Speaker 5: you know, So even if he wasn't like a real
Speaker 5: scrier and he was pretending describe, you could still get
Speaker 5: something legit.
Speaker 3: Out of that.
Speaker 7: So a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and
Speaker 7: then is what you mean, yeah, basically almost.
Speaker 2: Think about it, like you've played sports before where you've
Speaker 2: gotten in the zone, right, Like I've played football and fighting, right, Like,
Speaker 2: there is just something magical about being in the zone.
Speaker 2: You don't make a single wrong move, you are seeing
Speaker 2: it before it happens, right, But what if you cheated
Speaker 2: on your wife before that?
Speaker 4: Does that mean that you can't get into that zone?
Speaker 7: Physical prowess versus the statements made by a guy?
Speaker 2: Okay, to that point we're talking about altered mindsets is
Speaker 2: essentially what I'm trying to say. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: you're good or bad, you can still have these kind
Speaker 2: of revelations of sorts.
Speaker 7: To your point, think of like Toby maguire, your boy
Speaker 7: was a home run hitter. Come to find out he
Speaker 7: was using steroids and cheating Mark McGuire.
Speaker 4: That kebe MacGuire, spider Man.
Speaker 3: What did I say, Toby.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I meant Mark hole fuck gs my bad, my bad,
Speaker 7: Mark maguire. It detracted from everything. And oh but he
Speaker 7: said all these records. Yeah that's getting ripped from him
Speaker 7: now because he was a piece of shit. Well, I
Speaker 7: mean steroids were illegal, so yeah, this is my point.
Speaker 5: Physically, they we're all doing steroids. So I think it's
Speaker 5: kind of fucked.
Speaker 7: Up Semissa and all them, right, I mean, but my
Speaker 7: point is though, yeah, he was one of the greats
Speaker 7: until he was and when it was more discovered. Same
Speaker 7: with this whole scrying conversation, or with a philosophical or
Speaker 7: a pastoral or whatever the case is. They could be
Speaker 7: one of the greats until you find out that there's
Speaker 7: something going on there and it detracts from everything else.
Speaker 3: That's how this works.
Speaker 2: Well, it takes away from their validity, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if it takes away from you know, maybe their
Speaker 2: own personal experiences.
Speaker 6: The thing is, like, nobody wants to sit there and
Speaker 6: listen to someone preach about morality and how they should
Speaker 6: be and live their lives from from someone that's doing
Speaker 6: the opposite, you know. So so you being a pastor
Speaker 6: if you're fucking around your wife.
Speaker 3: You know, the same could be said.
Speaker 7: You have no business being a scrier if you're already
Speaker 7: known to be lying and trying to do all these
Speaker 7: other things.
Speaker 3: At least I'm not going.
Speaker 6: To listen to you if I know you're a liar,
Speaker 6: if I know you're a fraud, doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 6: not telling people something right once in a while or
Speaker 6: real once in a while. You know, you could be
Speaker 6: a really good preacher and and and be screwed around
Speaker 6: on your wife or diddling kids or that's what most
Speaker 6: of them seem to be into, at least the Catholics anyway.
Speaker 6: The Southern Baptists they like the fuck young girls, and
Speaker 6: the Catholics like the fuck young boys. I don't know
Speaker 6: what's the difference there with these two religions, but that's
Speaker 6: their that's their preferences, and you know, you hear about
Speaker 6: that way too much. It is way too widespread for
Speaker 6: that not to be a part of their their religion. Like,
Speaker 6: I really think that the Catholic priesthood is nothing but
Speaker 6: a pedophile cult.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The same could be said for Satanic temples and Satanic
Speaker 7: groups in general.
Speaker 6: The kids, bro, why is this? Stants do not fuck
Speaker 6: with kids?
Speaker 3: Wait, what do you mean? There's all kinds of example caught.
Speaker 5: There's there's there's turds in the punch bowl for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not real Satanists.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that yeah, that's a non secretar almost. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it's there. There are people that are into
Speaker 5: six ship and they take the transgression too far, and
Speaker 5: then and then you have the phenomenon of the multi
Speaker 5: generational abuse cults like we have out here in Utah.
Speaker 5: And uh so, these people it's it's almost you know,
Speaker 5: you can't even hate these people because they were born
Speaker 5: the same thing happened to them. You're familiar with the
Speaker 5: Hambling case, right, Jacob, Yes, Okay, so, uh he just
Speaker 5: did a fucking live stream, dude with this like support graft.
Speaker 5: He got the charges dropped and everything, and he's very
Speaker 5: careful about how he says it, but he almost apologizes
Speaker 5: in a way talking about how he's fractured and altered
Speaker 5: because he went through it too. You know, it's really bizarre.
Speaker 5: But you got to see this he put it out.
Speaker 5: It's it's because.
Speaker 7: You understand, dude, that hurt people, hurt people. I fully
Speaker 7: understand that. That's not an excuse though, like the chain
Speaker 7: of events has to stop with you.
Speaker 3: You gotta be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not I'm not making excuses for I'm just
Speaker 5: saying it's what happened.
Speaker 7: No, I agree, but I mean, even to this point,
Speaker 7: I tell them how Satanists don't diddle kids. There's rituals
Speaker 7: that I have looked into because I heard this and
Speaker 7: I was like, there's no way that's accurate. There's rituals
Speaker 7: that involved taking the virginity of someone under thirteen years
Speaker 7: old to perform it to its completion. So I mean
Speaker 7: there's absolutely precedents for this written down in Grimwalds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and human sacrifice and all of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely human sacrifice, which people don't.
Speaker 7: Did human sacrifice from way back when the Nordics would
Speaker 7: do human sacrifice, but it wasn't against their will. They
Speaker 7: willingly had to step up and claim that they wanted
Speaker 7: to be sacrificed.
Speaker 3: There's there's levels there, I get it.
Speaker 5: Or if it was like maybe enemies that you conquered, yeah.
Speaker 7: Well that's yes, that did that at least once a year.
Speaker 7: But I mean there's levels to this.
Speaker 5: So I think people underestimate how sophisticated like satanic panic
Speaker 5: propaganda is or was, you know, and what the real
Speaker 5: purpose of it was, And it really Shishka Bob the
Speaker 5: brains of like anyone in the old community, like metal heads, goths,
Speaker 5: magicians even like wickens and stuff and new agers. You know,
Speaker 5: like they think everything is a Satanic panic. But but
Speaker 5: I look at it, like the whole when Q was
Speaker 5: going strong, I worked in a bar where there's a
Speaker 5: lot of Trump supporters. You know, it's it's it's almost
Speaker 5: a Trump bar, and uh so I would ask all
Speaker 5: the conservatives, especially in the morning. The conservatives were more
Speaker 5: of the daytime crowd, and uh so I would ask
Speaker 5: them all the time, you know, like, hey, what do
Speaker 5: you think about Q? What do you think about Q?
Speaker 5: Even guys that were talking about how Trump's putting a
Speaker 5: stop at trafficking, I was like, hey, what do you
Speaker 5: think about Q? None of them had ever heard of Q.
Speaker 5: You know, people online have right no people out in
Speaker 5: the real world, none of them had ever heard about Q.
Speaker 5: During that same time when no one had heard about Q,
Speaker 5: none of the conservatives knew about it. If you were
Speaker 5: to ask any like leftists or like neo shit lip
Speaker 5: what they thought about you, not only have they heard
Speaker 5: about it, but they have a strong emotional attachment to it.
Speaker 3: You know, Q was an online things. That makes sense.
Speaker 7: A lot of the older conservative crowd don't know much
Speaker 7: about the online world.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but so I mean, if QAnon was a sigh
Speaker 5: of which I think it was, and none of the
Speaker 5: conservatives out there have ever heard of it, but all
Speaker 5: the ship lips have and they have a strong emotional
Speaker 5: attachment to it. What do you think, who do you
Speaker 5: think they're really targeting. I mean, it's multi faceting, they're
Speaker 5: targeting multiple groups, but you know, it definitely affected the
Speaker 5: one group a lot worse than the other.
Speaker 3: I think you're on the money with that one. Honestly.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying Q was honest one hundred percent op
Speaker 7: or a counterop or whatever, but I think you're on
Speaker 7: the money as far as one side of the political spectrum.
Speaker 7: Listen to everything he said so that they could have
Speaker 7: a retort. The other side kind of knows a thing
Speaker 7: or two that was said, but not really because they
Speaker 7: wanted to paying attention for the Q drops because they
Speaker 7: have more important shit to do, like you know, go
Speaker 7: to work and ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and a lot of the truthers have
Speaker 5: been around for a while. I thought it was a
Speaker 5: siah from the get go, you know. And yeah, but
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, it doesn't mean there's not
Speaker 5: truth in it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I don't know when Ember said that Trump, Jizhuping,
Speaker 7: Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong un are all secretly a
Speaker 7: part of a cabal to bring about the end of
Speaker 7: the New World Order.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, pump pump the breaks, big haws. We
Speaker 3: gotta talk about what the fuck you just said? What dude?
Speaker 5: As soon as soon as I heard like, trust the plan,
Speaker 5: watch the show, I was like, fuck you.
Speaker 3: Real rhetoric, like to me bro right away, you know.
Speaker 5: But you know, anyway, it woke up because, you know,
Speaker 5: because some of the people that woke up through that,
Speaker 5: you know, were kind of normy. So woke some people up.
Speaker 5: And then after they figured out he was a psio,
Speaker 5: they found you know, and COVID happened, so they started
Speaker 5: getting the medical thing. So they woke some people up.
Speaker 3: I hear that now.
Speaker 7: We had at one point in time, getting back to
Speaker 7: the conversation, At one point in time had a former
Speaker 7: Satanic high wizard on the show, right, and he's been
Speaker 7: making his rounds on multiple podcasts, and he talks about
Speaker 7: a lot of the types of work that he would do. Right,
Speaker 7: They had very high end clientele that would hire them
Speaker 7: to perform these sacrifices and incantations to further their political means,
Speaker 7: their wealth, whatever the case was. Now, he made some
Speaker 7: very very bold claims, and he said himself that he
Speaker 7: personally performed over four hundred ritual abortions as the sacrifice
Speaker 7: to make these things happen, according to him, And I
Speaker 7: want to get both the all's take on this according
Speaker 7: to him, which for the record, he's gotten a lot
Speaker 7: of shit in the comments about this.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are saying he's full of shit.
Speaker 7: A lot of people are saying that he is absolutely
Speaker 7: truthful start to finish.
Speaker 3: Don't know.
Speaker 7: He is saying that a lot of these not just
Speaker 7: satanic as in the Levey type, because I don't consider
Speaker 7: that thru Satanism.
Speaker 3: Like we said earlier, that's the eightheist Satanist. It's basically
Speaker 3: just like edgy gnostics. They're just trying to go against
Speaker 3: the grain to like ooh, look how edgy I am.
Speaker 3: But anyway, it's not the point.
Speaker 5: I look at it like it's for little kids. It's
Speaker 5: like a stepping stone, It's like training wheels for little kids,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Fair.
Speaker 7: Fair, So he is saying that in true temples that
Speaker 7: are practicing left hand path dark Satanic arts, they have
Speaker 7: women that will be ritualistically bred of their will. I
Speaker 7: should add, they want this to happen so that they
Speaker 7: can become pregnant, so that this baby at the time
Speaker 7: of birth can be ritualistically sacrificed while they're still halfway
Speaker 7: in the birth canal. He said that he himself performed
Speaker 7: over four hundred of these for the high end clients
Speaker 7: of the wealthiest of the wealthy one percent elite.
Speaker 3: On this he's lying, he's lying. Break this down for me.
Speaker 3: What break this down? Why is he lying?
Speaker 6: I'm saying, I simply don't be leave him, and I
Speaker 6: don't believe. I mean, there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 6: of former Satanists that you know, claim to have this
Speaker 6: amazing redemption story, will come on these podcasts and tell
Speaker 6: all these stories about all they were a member of
Speaker 6: the Order of Nine Angles and they used to sacrifice
Speaker 6: people that they would abduct. No, they'd be in prison.
Speaker 6: They're full of shit.
Speaker 7: Now there are a lot of members of the Order
Speaker 7: of Nine Angles that are in prison as a matter
Speaker 7: of fact for doing these things.
Speaker 6: Well, then okay, then they must have really done something,
Speaker 6: you know, So this guy is full of shit.
Speaker 5: I said, if you take Satan out of the equation,
Speaker 5: you just look at John of God down in South America,
Speaker 5: that Oprah Winfrey was supporting and the Clintons and everything.
Speaker 5: You know, he had his own like little breeding thing going.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure he was practicing human sacrifice as well,
Speaker 5: because when you have a criminal element, here's the thing
Speaker 5: would you charge for, like a blood sacrifice? JS.
Speaker 6: I think my cheapest rituals like eight ninety nine that
Speaker 6: includes the sacrifice. I've got more expensive ones.
Speaker 5: So you know, there there are people in like Africa
Speaker 5: and Latin America that are living off a buck or
Speaker 5: two a day, and they understand animal sacrifice, blood sacrifice,
Speaker 5: the lowa pretty well. Now what's going to happen. Let's
Speaker 5: say if you're like a European aristocrat and you want
Speaker 5: a blood sacrifice to happen, you know, like what would
Speaker 5: that be worth to someone in the third world like
Speaker 5: in uh you know, and and there's no doubt that
Speaker 5: there's a criminal element all throughout alf and you know
Speaker 5: it's the same in the West too, but it's mostly
Speaker 5: like in Africa and Latin America that you practice this.
Speaker 5: You know, there are people that will like straight up
Speaker 5: kidnap someone sacrifice them just to use one of his
Speaker 5: organs in a spell.
Speaker 7: Look at what happened with Epstein Island in the temple
Speaker 7: there that wasn't for su I don't believe personally anyway.
Speaker 5: So you know, so let's say you're a European aristocrat.
Speaker 5: What do you think that would cost in the Third
Speaker 5: World to have someone do a human sacrifice?
Speaker 3: Not as much as it was in America.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. You know, you're talking about parts of the
Speaker 5: world where twenty dollars bill can get.
Speaker 3: Your throat slit for sure, you know, for sure.
Speaker 7: Now with that being said, we're talking about how you
Speaker 7: sacrifice chickens, right, And I'm sure a goat has made
Speaker 7: its way to the altar at one point in time
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 6: Actually that's on the Yeah, that's on the list.
Speaker 5: Man, like so much. Maybe it's so hard to do
Speaker 5: it to a good if I brought home.
Speaker 6: A small goat fall in love with it that quick and.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know, I know, dude, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 5: Imagine seeing like a baby goat playing with the French
Speaker 5: that you guys have. Yeah, you know, I mean, that'd
Speaker 5: be like the cutest thing on the planet.
Speaker 6: Probably it would end up being a pet.
Speaker 7: But this being said, right, so, the more blood and
Speaker 7: the more important, the sacrifice, the heavier and more important
Speaker 7: that the ritual would be, and the better the result,
Speaker 7: one could say, would not a human, especially a pure
Speaker 7: human baby? Would that not be like the best sacrifice
Speaker 7: that you you could ever like get your hands on.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm not saying that the elites don't do things
Speaker 6: like this. I'm saying that the Satan or Lucifer or Belisle,
Speaker 6: they are not accepting baby human sacrifices. All right. That
Speaker 6: is a practice that is practiced by the people, the
Speaker 6: same people that are shoving religion down our throats.
Speaker 7: Correct me if I'm wrong, though, Bail and Belile and
Speaker 7: all of them, they had altars for child sacrifice in Canaan,
Speaker 7: and they had found the pyres for them to No,
Speaker 7: that's not I suppose that's an understood thing, the same
Speaker 7: way that the Aztecs did child sacrifice to the rain god.
Speaker 6: Oh were they sacrificing children? Were they cutting adults hearts out?
Speaker 3: No? No? They did adult hearts, yes, but to the
Speaker 3: rain gods.
Speaker 7: Specifically, they would throw a baby into an oven, and
Speaker 7: the louder that the baby would scream, the more pleasing
Speaker 7: it was to the rain God.
Speaker 3: This is the same thing that was happening to Mullick.
Speaker 7: This is the same thing that was happening for a
Speaker 7: bail and Belile and all these things.
Speaker 3: This is understood historical facts.
Speaker 5: One of the big hiccups that I could see with
Speaker 5: doing a sacrifice like that would be a karma blowback,
Speaker 5: you know, like there's gonna be some resistance to like
Speaker 5: doing a human sacrifice, I imagine.
Speaker 3: So we believe in karma as well.
Speaker 5: I believe in a form of karma, but there's still
Speaker 5: gonna be a spiritual resistance to doing I would imagine,
Speaker 5: especially if you're sacrificing something against.
Speaker 3: Their will, you know, Like I am assuming the chicken
Speaker 3: doesn't want to die. I mean, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 7: Assume that the chicken is not like super soaked about
Speaker 7: dying today.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, but it's still a chicken, you know.
Speaker 7: Like like I'm not saying that animals have souls. I
Speaker 7: don't personally believe that, but a lot of people do.
Speaker 7: I don't know, you know, but but I would.
Speaker 5: I would imagine when it comes to human sacrifice, there's
Speaker 5: gonna be some resistance to it. So you would have
Speaker 5: to have some type of practice to negate that resistance.
Speaker 5: You know, because to me, it makes sense that there's
Speaker 5: gonna be like a spiritual resistance to harming a child
Speaker 5: like that, some type of karmic blowback, and you're gonna have.
Speaker 6: To uh.
Speaker 5: Have a have some type of mechanism in place to
Speaker 5: negate that, you know, or to minimize it.
Speaker 6: My personal experiences, these demons, at least the ones that
Speaker 6: I work with, protect children. And I'm not saying they
Speaker 6: wouldn't accept the human sacrifice. I'm saying they would not
Speaker 6: accept an innocent child as a sacrifice. I think if
Speaker 6: you tried to do something like that in the circle
Speaker 6: with bill Ale, you'd probably ended dead shortly afterwards.
Speaker 3: So at what time did they stop accepting them?
Speaker 6: Well, the greatest sacrifice that you can offer, say, being
Speaker 6: like Shimiyaza, would be a full grown pedophile.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, they're not gonna want a child.
Speaker 6: And personally, they've never asked me to harm anyone. It's
Speaker 6: usually me asking them to harm pedophiles. For me, like
Speaker 6: somebody's in I can't get my hands on him, that's
Speaker 6: when I would utilize like a death curse or something
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 7: Explain that to me, though, I'm not trying to take
Speaker 7: the side of these disgusting pedophilic people. I think they
Speaker 7: should all be tortuously murdered. I'm with you one hundred
Speaker 7: percent here, But we are talking about the left hand path.
Speaker 7: We are talking about entities that operate in the realm
Speaker 7: of evil.
Speaker 3: By a moral standpoint. If this is a pH scale.
Speaker 7: Right, and like, the neutrality would be like a person
Speaker 7: who's never done a baby would be the neutral zone.
Speaker 3: They've never done anything.
Speaker 6: I personally, I personally don't feel like I'm operating in
Speaker 6: the realm of evil. I think I think evil people
Speaker 6: do evil things and find excuses to do it. They
Speaker 6: do it in the name of religion, you know, they
Speaker 6: do it in the name of you know, they can
Speaker 6: do it in the name of anything. It's like, you know,
Speaker 6: you like that satanic cannibal guy, I forget his fucking name. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And the FBI was like, no, he's he's not. He
Speaker 6: doesn't eat people because he's a Satanist. He's a Satanist
Speaker 6: because he eats people, you know, like like he worships
Speaker 6: the devil, because he has a compulsion to eat people.
Speaker 6: And that's what if blames it all and I'll give
Speaker 6: to do it.
Speaker 7: So there's all kinds of people that have done evil
Speaker 7: in the name of God before, and I'm with you
Speaker 7: on that. But at the same time, we can at
Speaker 7: least acknowledge that there is a side of light and
Speaker 7: a side of dark. Right, there's a side of good,
Speaker 7: there's a side of evil. Yes, I understand that we're
Speaker 7: putting human terms to these sides, But like I was
Speaker 7: saying on the pH scale, there's a side of the
Speaker 7: base and there's a side of the acid, and both
Speaker 7: could be used for good and bad purposes. I am
Speaker 7: not saying that, like you could get chemically burned by
Speaker 7: a base just as much as you get chemically burned
Speaker 7: by an acid. So I'm with you on this front.
Speaker 7: But of these two sides, there is like a one
Speaker 7: and a zero. There's a binary to it. So if
Speaker 7: we are going to be operating on the side of
Speaker 7: the dark, on the side of the what we might
Speaker 7: call evil, wouldn't a pedophile also be operating in that side?
Speaker 7: Why would demons be happy about accepting a sacrifice as
Speaker 7: somebody who's already on their side.
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's what I'm saying. I'm saying demons don't
Speaker 6: support pedophiles. They hate them. Just as much as I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, most most black magicians. Because we were just talking
Speaker 5: about like ritual abusing human sacrifices. What I do want
Speaker 5: to make it clear, like most most black magicians kill
Speaker 5: pedophiles for fun. They're like target practice. You see what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. But the last thing, the last thing a
Speaker 5: child predator would ever want would be going have someone
Speaker 5: drop his rap sheet in like a black magic forum,
Speaker 5: because he's screwed. He's screwed. Man, He's gonna suffer and
Speaker 5: he's gonna die just like he should.
Speaker 6: Like, we have nothing to do with people like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and here's here's a here's a really important thing
Speaker 5: about doing it too, because you know, if you want
Speaker 5: to get better at like fighting and self defense, you
Speaker 5: can always like join the boxing gym, wrestle, maybe even
Speaker 5: just wrestle with your brother. Even just playing in a
Speaker 5: softball league in the summer is better than nothing, you know,
Speaker 5: when it comes to physicality, learning how to shoot a gun,
Speaker 5: going out to the rings, getting proficient in it, you know,
Speaker 5: But when it comes to black like baneful magic, there's
Speaker 5: no safe way to really practice it. So you're gonna
Speaker 5: have to do it with the intent to to ruin
Speaker 5: someone's life or to take them out completely. And pedophiles
Speaker 5: are just perfect for that, you know, because for one
Speaker 5: and this is like one of the things that like
Speaker 5: some of the quote unquote Neil shit lives will say,
Speaker 5: you know that they can't help it. I agree with that.
Speaker 5: That's why you can't have them around.
Speaker 6: You have to take them to die.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, they can't honestly help it. Their wires
Speaker 5: are all crisscrossed, They're a little messed up, and you know,
Speaker 5: the longer they're on the street, the more risk there
Speaker 5: is for them destroying the other kids' lives.
Speaker 2: If I just to clarify something real quick, the way
Speaker 2: that I feel like there's a there's a difference of
Speaker 2: perception of demons and angels and God and stuff like
Speaker 2: that amongst the different sides of what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: So Jacob, you look at you know, God, Jesus, there's
Speaker 2: that's the light. You look at demons, the devil, that's
Speaker 2: the dark.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: JS and and Lord Byron, but I feel like almost
Speaker 2: that the demons and the quote unquote dark side are
Speaker 2: not necessarily good or bad, right, it's almost just like
Speaker 2: I mean, is electricity bad?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like is Wi Fi bad? Is it just like a
Speaker 2: power source and energy source of sorts? Is that the
Speaker 2: way you kind of look at it.
Speaker 6: There is no black and white good and evil scale,
Speaker 6: Like there's no line you can draw angels and demons
Speaker 6: and whatever else you want to throw, you know, the
Speaker 6: in the mix there. They have personalities like people like
Speaker 6: some might be considered to be evil or to do
Speaker 6: evil things. Other demons heal people. I mean, is that evil?
Speaker 6: Is it evil to just because it's a demon? There's
Speaker 6: no angel good, demon bad? You know? And most of
Speaker 6: the pedophiles out there operate on the side of good,
Speaker 6: on the side of religion. If you were if you're
Speaker 6: really a sick, twisted weirdo, would you would you come
Speaker 6: across as like a scary black magician or would you
Speaker 6: go be a Catholic priest. Yeah, they want the real
Speaker 6: sick weirdos. They want motherfuckers to trust them, trust them
Speaker 6: around children. They want access to children. They would never
Speaker 6: masquerade as an evil dark sorcerer if if that's what
Speaker 6: they were into. And like Byron said, if you want
Speaker 6: to kill a pedophile, quick drop his rap sheet in
Speaker 6: the black magic for him. We do that shit for fun.
Speaker 6: That's target practice. That's how we get good at it,
Speaker 6: because most of us that are good at it, we
Speaker 6: ran out of enemies a long fucking time ago. Now
Speaker 6: we're looking for people to target practice at. Where else
Speaker 6: are we gonna look better than the sex men registry?
Speaker 5: And when it comes to the whole like good and
Speaker 5: evil thing and all that, I look at everything as
Speaker 5: just a part of creation, you know, Like I don't
Speaker 5: think these like like like, let's just say, if you're
Speaker 5: to take like all of the stories from the Bible
Speaker 5: of angels and demons at war with each other and
Speaker 5: all of that literal, I think they're created for a
Speaker 5: purpose and and that's the parameter that they're operating in,
Speaker 5: you know. Okay, So I look at every you know,
Speaker 5: so it's like one of those things like our coyotes evil,
Speaker 5: you know, our alligators evil?
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love alligators, man, I want one.
Speaker 2: I wanted to throw off this quote too, because I
Speaker 2: don't know if it necessarily is black and white and
Speaker 2: good and evil and stuff like that, and what really,
Speaker 2: you know, caught my attention as far as that goes
Speaker 2: like I always like to mention Isaiah chapter forty five,
Speaker 2: verse seven, And it is and this is Jesus speaking.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, it's either Jesus or God. Same thing.
Speaker 3: It couldn't be if it's in the book of Isaiah.
Speaker 2: But continue, So God, then it says, I form the
Speaker 2: light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil.
Speaker 2: I the Lord do all these things. So is that
Speaker 2: all light and all good if you're creating darkness and evil?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mean he creates the day and the night.
Speaker 5: I think we just have like an inferior array of
Speaker 5: understanding and peace and evil state. But every thing is
Speaker 5: a form of Everything's part of creation, every everything, it's
Speaker 5: it's an ecosystem, right.
Speaker 7: And that's been a question too, Like if demons are there,
Speaker 7: then God created them, right, yes to that point, correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I mean you are something or something He
Speaker 5: created created them, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean you're saying, you're talking about light and darkness.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call peace and evil light in darkness.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 7: But yeah, so he did create the good guys and
Speaker 7: the bad guys if he is the creator of everything.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, But it's like, are there are they even
Speaker 5: really like again, bad guys, you know, because uh, I mean,
Speaker 5: just just read the attributes of all the demons in
Speaker 5: the Goatian. Almost all of them teach like astrology and
Speaker 5: birds and Liverpool sciences and how to heal and the
Speaker 5: secrets of the heavens, the secrets of the earth. Like
Speaker 5: there's a few out in there that are you know,
Speaker 5: some there's some killers in there, but for the most part,
Speaker 5: they all teach beneficial things.
Speaker 7: But we also agree that most of existence operates on
Speaker 7: a binary scale.
Speaker 5: Oh like pressure mediation, no as in I mean one
Speaker 5: that's basically.
Speaker 7: Light and dark, hot and cold of male, female electrons
Speaker 7: and negative electrons, like we can you know, everything works
Speaker 7: on a one or the other type of system. As
Speaker 7: far as our entire existence goes, there's very few areas
Speaker 7: of great A.
Speaker 2: Lot of that is perception based, you know, A lot
Speaker 2: of that is perception based, though, wouldn't you say, oh so.
Speaker 7: A magnet the north pole of it, in the south
Speaker 7: pole of it. That's just a perception thing. We talk
Speaker 7: about it all the time.
Speaker 2: The Trojans that were going and raping and pillaging, that
Speaker 2: was seen as a good and pious thing. And nowadays
Speaker 2: it would be very frowned upon. So that's what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about as far as the perspective and times go.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all about to the individual, you know,
Speaker 2: Like if my I don't know, my dream girl, uh
Speaker 2: cheats on her husband to come sleep with me, that's
Speaker 2: a really fucking good thing for me, pretty bad for him.
Speaker 7: That's also a bad thing because if she's willing to
Speaker 7: chew and her husband to be with you, that should
Speaker 7: tell you a lot about our moral character.
Speaker 3: And that's an inherent bad, is it.
Speaker 4: Do we look at it exactly that way?
Speaker 7: We really should, And if you don't, then that's a
Speaker 7: moral thing for you to figure out, big dog.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying that the north pole of the
Speaker 7: magnet is the good in the south is the evil
Speaker 7: or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's the perspective based operation of it. Right.
Speaker 7: If you want to say this one is good versus
Speaker 7: this one is bad or vice versa, we can at
Speaker 7: least acknowledge that the magnet's got two sides.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that on one side it's not the ones
Speaker 5: bad are good. Though the north pole side of the
Speaker 5: magnet is is healthier to be around. I would like
Speaker 5: to point that out, you know, and you can you
Speaker 5: can bury the north pole side of a magnet just
Speaker 5: a few inches down from a germinated seed, and that
Speaker 5: plan is going to grow twice as big, twice as fast.
Speaker 5: The sea will germinate faster. Uh So, so there the thing.
Speaker 5: But going back to the whole acid and bas it's metaphors.
Speaker 5: That's how I like to look at it. But you know,
Speaker 5: think about what it takes to have like optimal PhD.
Speaker 5: You know, like if your pH drops a little bit,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be good to bring it up. If your
Speaker 5: pH spikes a little bit, you might want to bring
Speaker 5: it back down to like seven or eight. You see
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But my point is there's not a third option. There
Speaker 7: is the acid or the base.
Speaker 5: Yeah well yeah, but yeah, And that's a point though,
Speaker 5: you know, because if you want to say neutral is
Speaker 5: the third option, then fine, that's that's a conversation.
Speaker 3: But not I.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't uh yeah, but so that you know, the main
Speaker 5: mechanism in this realm is uh pressure mediation. Everything's trying
Speaker 5: to seek equilibrium. They just can't.
Speaker 7: Okay, perfect example, either things are pressurized or they're in
Speaker 7: a vacuum.
Speaker 3: Nothing is neutral.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, that's what that's what I would say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe I personally feel like good and evil is
Speaker 6: a matter of opinion and perception, and each of us
Speaker 6: has a different opinion and perception about what is good
Speaker 6: or evil. It varies from person to person. So what
Speaker 6: I I think is is right and just you may
Speaker 6: very well think that it's an evil thing. And that's
Speaker 6: that's opinion and perception. There is no there is no
Speaker 6: scale or chart that classifies this is good and this
Speaker 6: is bad, this is good and this is evil. Like
Speaker 6: religion really tries to do that, but you really can't
Speaker 6: do that. And then you got to look at the why,
Speaker 6: why was an evil deed done? You know, like like
Speaker 6: you know someone you know raped your mother and you
Speaker 6: go shoot them in the face. Well, that you know
Speaker 6: is killing someone. That's that's supposed to be an evil act, right,
Speaker 6: But if you had a good reason for doing it,
Speaker 6: then somebody might say you were doing what you should
Speaker 6: have done and that was a good thing. It's opinion
Speaker 6: and perception.
Speaker 7: Killing versus murdering, I think, are two different conversations.
Speaker 3: Also, though, yeah, I believe that cold blood and murder
Speaker 3: inherently is bad.
Speaker 7: Killing somebody, Like, I could think of a few reasons
Speaker 7: why killing is necessary, but cold blood and murder, I
Speaker 7: think are Like there's levels to that as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but then again, it also comes down to the
Speaker 6: opinion and the perception of the person and who's looking
Speaker 6: at the situation as well as the person who's committing
Speaker 6: the crime. You know, what I think is cold budded murder.
Speaker 6: You know, whoever's doing it, they might think that they're
Speaker 6: totally right and have a good reason to do that.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that they're correct, all right, But I'm saying, like,
Speaker 6: we could never sit here and come to an agreement
Speaker 6: on you know, black and white, like what good and
Speaker 6: evil is right?
Speaker 2: And just because I agree if like, if you say
Speaker 2: that something is good and I agree that that thing
Speaker 2: is good, doesn't necessarily mean that it's good all the
Speaker 2: way up through the the all the different dimensions, and
Speaker 2: all the way up through heaven and down through hell.
Speaker 2: Like that's just something that we would agree upon.
Speaker 6: It, right, most most lip tards would sit there and
Speaker 6: argue with you, you know, about what good and bad is,
Speaker 6: what right and wrong is. I'm definitely not one of those.
Speaker 6: I'm a gun total and he'll Billy will shoot your
Speaker 6: ass if he.
Speaker 3: Needs to know.
Speaker 7: I do disagree with you on that point, though, I
Speaker 7: think that there is objective morality. I don't think that
Speaker 7: everything is subjective and up to the interpretation of the
Speaker 7: of the person itself. I think that there is absolutely
Speaker 7: inherent good and inherent bad, and yes, there are situations
Speaker 7: where there's more nuance to it, and you have to
Speaker 7: look at the whole scope. I'm not denying that by
Speaker 7: any means, but I think there is plenty of situations
Speaker 7: that anybody would be able to look at and say
Speaker 7: that is a bad thing or that is a good thing.
Speaker 3: I think that there's way more of that than we
Speaker 3: actually give credit for it.
Speaker 6: You're right, and that there's lots of situations where ninety
Speaker 6: five percent of people would agree that's back, okay, that's
Speaker 6: wrong to do.
Speaker 7: Okay, But aside from like the criminally insane that don't
Speaker 7: have operating brains in the first place, Like, okay, aside
Speaker 7: from these people who like, when I see somebody walking
Speaker 7: down the street, I want to bash your face in
Speaker 7: with a hammer, why doesn't everyone think that way? Okay,
Speaker 7: that's criminally insane, that's obviously not in the realm of
Speaker 7: conversation we're having, just so we all clear.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think we can all agree that that
Speaker 6: that coblata murder is wrong, rape is wrong, things like
Speaker 6: that you shouldn't steal shit from people. You know, most
Speaker 6: people would agree those those actions are wrong. But when
Speaker 6: you're talking about the existence of the nature of an entity,
Speaker 6: of a conscious entity, like a demon or an angel,
Speaker 6: you know, like, is the Angel of Death evil? You know,
Speaker 6: he killed a lot of kids in Egypt that most
Speaker 6: I think killing children is evil, But but Christians would
Speaker 6: argue the fuck out of me on that. Well know,
Speaker 6: God said that it was okay for that to happen,
Speaker 6: So if God does something evil, then it's righteous.
Speaker 3: Fair.
Speaker 6: Can we can we agree that burning people at the steak.
Speaker 3: Was fucking evils?
Speaker 6: Okay? But your religion promotes that and most people that
Speaker 6: are Christians, especially conservative Christians nowadays, would be trying to
Speaker 6: burn people like me at the stake if they could
Speaker 6: legally get away with it.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I think I think Christians are
Speaker 5: pretty harmless, especially compared to like Islam.
Speaker 6: I've seen so much chat and forums and troll saying
Speaker 6: that we should still burn them at the steak.
Speaker 5: There's a few out there, even that one guy, Andrew Wilson,
Speaker 5: said that he would shoot us in the back if
Speaker 5: he could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So to that point, I'm with you.
Speaker 7: Now, I'm not gonna say that burning everyone at the
Speaker 7: stake is wrong. There are some people out there who
Speaker 7: have committed some very heinous crimes that I believe burning
Speaker 7: at the steak is too good for. Gonna be honest
Speaker 7: with you, but again, I don't believe in making the
Speaker 7: rule for the minority. I believe in making the rules
Speaker 7: for the majority. Right, That's just how my brain operates.
Speaker 7: That being said, I am also, yes, I'm a devout Christian,
Speaker 7: not a very good representation of one by all fucking
Speaker 7: standards and metrics. IM gonna straight up with you. But
Speaker 7: beside the point, right, I also do believe that people
Speaker 7: should have free will. They should have the freedom of choice,
Speaker 7: the freedom of expression, the freedom of speech, and the
Speaker 7: freedom of religion.
Speaker 6: To hell for exercising those freedoms.
Speaker 7: But I'm not the guy to cast that judgment. I
Speaker 7: am a human, I am a center. I am just
Speaker 7: as imperfect as everybody else. Okay, that judgment is for
Speaker 7: a whole other person, a whole other deity.
Speaker 3: I am not that deity. I'm not gonna pretend to
Speaker 3: be that guy, so I don't.
Speaker 7: I try my hardest to withhold judgment from people because
Speaker 7: especially because I have no fucking room to judge anyone.
Speaker 7: So I and I recognize this. But that being said,
Speaker 7: I am also the type of person that, while I
Speaker 7: might disagree with someone and like you're saying like these
Speaker 7: like shit libs, I had, one of my best friends,
Speaker 7: as a matter of fact, is the most devout liberal
Speaker 7: retard I have ever met in my fucking life, so
Speaker 7: much so that he is of the belief that this
Speaker 7: fucking blonde hair, blue eyed stone or white boy, Oh,
Speaker 7: I could totally just go to Afghanistan and I would
Speaker 7: just get along.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: You gotta treat people well, they'll treat you well.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, brother, they will behead you for half
Speaker 7: the shit that I've heard you say on a regular basis. Nah, bro,
Speaker 7: you just don't know what you're talking about. And it's like,
Speaker 7: all right, dude, we're never gonna come to an agreement.
Speaker 7: But my thing is he is one of my best
Speaker 7: friends because whatever he is saying, although I vehemently disagree
Speaker 7: with him, I know that he truly believes it. He
Speaker 7: keeps it one hundred with me one hundred percent of
Speaker 7: the time, and I can respect that. And even though
Speaker 7: we can disagree on everything, you be real with me,
Speaker 7: I be real with you, and we can agree to
Speaker 7: disagree on a lot of things. That's how I am
Speaker 7: with the freedom of religion. I disagree with a lot
Speaker 7: of the other religions out there and breaking it down historically, philosophically,
Speaker 7: whatever else. But I also believe that you, as a
Speaker 7: human being, have just his right to be right or
Speaker 7: wrong as I do.
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna step in the way of that
Speaker 3: for you. Now.
Speaker 7: I might try to have conversations and come to an understanding.
Speaker 7: I might try to incite some wisdom in you. You
Speaker 7: might try to incite some wisdom in me, and we
Speaker 7: might get to a point where we have to agree
Speaker 7: to disagree. That's fine, everybody's entitled of that shit too.
Speaker 7: But I don't believe that somebody should be outright burned
Speaker 7: at the stake or murdered or ostracized or you know,
Speaker 7: demonized lack of better words, excuse me for.
Speaker 3: Their beliefs, whatever those might be.
Speaker 7: Unless it's clearly like somebody of a psychotic nature that
Speaker 7: believes that like raping children is a good thing. Like, no, no,
Speaker 7: I will cast the judgment on that one, fuck you
Speaker 7: and the horse you rode in on, right, But for
Speaker 7: the vast majority of understood religions and philosophies and belief systems, yeah,
Speaker 7: you could just disagree and not instantly say that, oh well,
Speaker 7: you know, it's fine, you're going to hell. Like, first
Speaker 7: of all, who the fuck are you to cast that
Speaker 7: type of statement?
Speaker 5: But anyway, anyway, I'd like to say though, like I
Speaker 5: believe an objective morality for sure, yeah, you know, And
Speaker 5: I think of the whole like moral like relativeness and
Speaker 5: all that stuff. I think a lot of it, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, of course it's like postmodern, but I think
Speaker 5: a lot of it came out of the theory of relativity,
Speaker 5: you know, where everyone where nothing's real, everything's relative, and
Speaker 5: I think that kind of spilled into like the whole
Speaker 5: postmodern thing, you know. But yeah, I believe an objective morality,
Speaker 5: you know. But I mean Einstein was a complete fraud.
Speaker 3: What do you mean on that? Break that one down
Speaker 3: for me?
Speaker 7: Einstein, I'm not like a super Einstein dick writer by
Speaker 7: any means.
Speaker 3: But that's that's a bold statement. Break this down for me.
Speaker 5: Well, he was brought in to replace all of physics
Speaker 5: with a bunch of incoherent psychobabble to try to solve
Speaker 5: a problem that they a crisis they were having when
Speaker 5: they couldn't measure the rotation of the earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Fair, fair, But then his most of his theorems have
Speaker 7: been proven to be correct, some of them have been
Speaker 7: disproven almost all of them.
Speaker 5: All of them have been disproven, dude, all of them,
Speaker 5: all of them, right down to the very core that
Speaker 5: the light speed is a constant, that's the entire like
Speaker 5: framework for his thing. And it doesn't. Light travels way
Speaker 5: faster from east to west than it does from west
Speaker 5: to east. And then that increases the more the higher
Speaker 5: up you go in altitude. Uh, it'll it'll decrease if
Speaker 5: you're like, like, let's say you have like a laser
Speaker 5: ring gyro something that's going to measure that. You know, Uh,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's going to be slower if you go
Speaker 5: down the basement.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's fair. But let me ask you this.
Speaker 7: The first person to ever try to calculate the speed
Speaker 7: of light. I forget the name of the guy, but
Speaker 7: they conducted an experiment. They were off by a fucking
Speaker 7: long shot, but they also didn't have the instrumentation even
Speaker 7: try to get close. They were doing the best they
Speaker 7: could with the information and the technology that they had,
Speaker 7: and everybody accepted this to be truth. Later that was
Speaker 7: blown out of the water. Would you call them frauds.
Speaker 5: If they're being sincere I wouldn't call that a fraud.
Speaker 3: You don't believe I'm not being sincere no all so.
Speaker 5: Absolutely wasn't sincere No. No, he was. He was propped up.
Speaker 5: He was put there to, uh to do a job,
Speaker 5: and he did it. They got propped up. Yeah. Intriating, Yeah,
Speaker 5: totally so. And uh yeah, you know it's that's a
Speaker 5: whole rabbit hole, man, And that's something that takes like
Speaker 5: six months to a year to really research and understand
Speaker 5: the whole thing. But the history of relativity, the Michelson
Speaker 5: Morley experiment, you know, measurements of Dayton Miller. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: like all that's that's something that that's gonna take. It
Speaker 5: takes a while to really un stand it. Interesting, but
Speaker 5: you have to understand it in chronological order. But the
Speaker 5: guys that have done the best work on it. Uh,
Speaker 5: they're just crushing all the time. They have a discord
Speaker 5: group where you can go and ask any questions you want.
Speaker 5: And but that's uh Alan over at Space Audits, was it,
Speaker 5: Toby at College ether College Cosmology, Shane Saint Pierre? Uh, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 5: those guys are just crushing it, just knocking it out
Speaker 5: of the park.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, I did want to get back to this though,
Speaker 2: because we were trying to to define a line of
Speaker 2: good and evil and I feel like we were almost
Speaker 2: trying to look at that through a human perspective. But
Speaker 2: does our human perspective automatically paint the rules of what
Speaker 2: these uh, let's just say, for a lack of a
Speaker 2: better word, etheric beings would call good and evil, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like, I feel like maybe the rules are a little
Speaker 4: bit different.
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, you can have an angel
Speaker 2: to carry out a lot of the same rituals that
Speaker 2: a demon would if these are just names that you
Speaker 2: would be calling them. But like if if you're able to,
Speaker 2: for example, you js if you were able to have
Speaker 2: a certain kind of ritual and you call upon an
Speaker 2: angel to I don't know, do some healing or something
Speaker 2: like that within a a ritualistic circle in the star
Speaker 2: and everything like that, it would does it necessarily matter
Speaker 2: if it's if you're asking for something good or evil
Speaker 2: or you know, is it almost just like they're good
Speaker 2: at this one thing. So we're gonna call upon them regardless.
Speaker 6: That's a good question. I'm definitely gonna call on an
Speaker 6: entity who specializes in whatever area that I'm working in
Speaker 6: and trying to affect. I have had them tell me no,
Speaker 6: didn't really get an explanation, whether something they just didn't
Speaker 6: want to do or didn't agree with what I was
Speaker 6: trying to do. Maybe maybe not, But I don't think
Speaker 6: they look at things from the same perspective that we do.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it all still comes down to opinion and
Speaker 6: perception of what's right and wrong, you know what. Like
Speaker 6: I said, what I think is righteous, A lot of
Speaker 6: people would disagree and say, oh, you're evil. Yeah I
Speaker 6: think we should put pedos in the wood chip or
Speaker 6: but you know, most Catholic priests would argue on that one.
Speaker 6: So my opinion perception anymore right than anyone else's. How
Speaker 6: Who the fuck am I to say I just know
Speaker 6: that I do what I feel is morally right, all right,
Speaker 6: And if that's you know, killing pedophiles on the weekend
Speaker 6: with radionics, machines and ritual magic, then hey, there's people
Speaker 6: that would say I'm evil for doing healing rituals, Like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're doing a ritual for a good reason, but it's
Speaker 6: still an evil practice because it still falls under the
Speaker 6: practice the guy's black magic. You know, it's still ritual
Speaker 6: black magic.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought that one up. So we had
Speaker 7: a friend of ours, New York Patriot, Loving to Day.
Speaker 7: He was a former member of OTO, which also I'd
Speaker 7: love to get your opinion on OTO as well. But
Speaker 7: he was talking about the type of magic that they
Speaker 7: were doing, and we even asked him that question. Let's
Speaker 7: say that you are doing because he is a he
Speaker 7: left the organization and he is a big proponent of
Speaker 7: how everything of the dark and the magic thing occult.
Speaker 7: You're obviously drawing upon a dark and evil source to
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 3: And we asked them the same question.
Speaker 7: Let's say that you are performing a ritual to heal
Speaker 7: someone of cancer, right, a loved one, and you it's
Speaker 7: you're not getting anything for yourself out of this, because
Speaker 7: he made that clear. Most of these rituals that at
Speaker 7: least he was a part of, you were always doing
Speaker 7: it for yourself. It was a very selfish thing that
Speaker 7: you were doing, and that's the only way that it
Speaker 7: could work. And we're like, okay, so hold on healing practices, right,
Speaker 7: if you're doing this for somebody. Your mom's got cancer,
Speaker 7: you're performing a ritual for her. Is this still considered
Speaker 7: evil by his words?
Speaker 3: Not ours?
Speaker 7: You're still giving of yourself. You're still giving your blood
Speaker 7: or something like that. So no matter how you spend it,
Speaker 7: you're still putting your essence into it.
Speaker 3: So yes, it would still be selfish by nature.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, my thoughts, I would disagree with them. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And me personally, I don't give not even one little
Speaker 6: half of a fuck what anyone thinks that about what
Speaker 6: I'm doing. If it's good or evil or right or wrong,
Speaker 6: I only care about what I think. That's it. That's
Speaker 6: the freedom of being a black magician. We don't have
Speaker 6: to give a shit, all right, as long as I
Speaker 6: don't have an issue with it and I'm willing to
Speaker 6: do it, then hey, it's right by me.
Speaker 5: And I also want to say, though, it's a lot
Speaker 5: easier to be a good person when you have the
Speaker 5: power to be a good person.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by this?
Speaker 5: But you can call yourself a good person, but but like,
Speaker 5: what do you actually do that's good? You know, when
Speaker 5: you're when you're able to save people's lives and work
Speaker 5: miracles on people, you know, like, like, to me, that's
Speaker 5: being a good person. Like when you it, it's sort
Speaker 5: of like, uh, let's say, uh, how can you be
Speaker 5: a generous person? Or imagine how much more of a
Speaker 5: generous person you could be if you were rich? Sure,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean look at Elvis Due. The guy
Speaker 5: was making stupid money and he would buy all of
Speaker 5: his friends motorcycles Cadillacs. Uh, you know, he he shared
Speaker 5: so much of his wealth because he had so much
Speaker 5: wealth to give.
Speaker 7: But being a really good gift giver does not necessarily
Speaker 7: make you a good person.
Speaker 3: I do hear what you're saying though.
Speaker 5: It doesn't though, But what I'm saying though, is like,
Speaker 5: when you have the power to be a good person,
Speaker 5: you have a lot more outlets to be a good person.
Speaker 3: Yes, but would you also agree that you.
Speaker 5: And you learn temperance and you learn temperance because let's
Speaker 5: just say, like someone kind of is a good person,
Speaker 5: but what do they actually do? You know, are they
Speaker 5: just like sitting in their living room? You know, like
Speaker 5: you know, because there needs to be some action to
Speaker 5: really be a good person. It's more like a I mean,
Speaker 5: just take like a fighting right, Uh. Anyone can be
Speaker 5: talented at fighting, you know, anyone, but you know you
Speaker 5: could be really get to the talent talented. But to me,
Speaker 5: like what makes like a champion, like a straight up
Speaker 5: champion is like what you do when you're met with
Speaker 5: like resistance, So when you kind of build that kind
Speaker 5: of temperance, Like, to me, that that's what makes a champion,
Speaker 5: not just someone who's talented. So so I think like
Speaker 5: the more power you cultivate, the easier it is to
Speaker 5: be a good.
Speaker 2: Person almost like it's all like it's all like good.
Speaker 2: If we're trying to define what good actually is, is
Speaker 2: it just the lack of evil? You know, like you
Speaker 2: can't just look at it that way, not necessarily because
Speaker 2: you can sit there like all right, for example, like
Speaker 2: to bring up the thing that he just said, basically,
Speaker 2: if you just sit on your couch and you do
Speaker 2: nothing to nobody are you and you never get up
Speaker 2: off your couch.
Speaker 4: You even that's evil. You didn't do anything evil.
Speaker 7: No, but you're also not doing anything good. Stagnation is bad.
Speaker 5: Stagnition is bad. But uh, but you know, going back
Speaker 5: to fighting, you know, like how how how many Like
Speaker 5: when people get up to like a black belt level,
Speaker 5: do you think they're going to bars and picking fights?
Speaker 5: You know, some of them probably do. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: it's pretty rare, but some of them probably do, you know,
Speaker 5: especially they're like twenty five, you know or something, hanging
Speaker 5: out some some of their friends on a full moon.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but but yeah, for the most part,
Speaker 5: like the better you are fighting, the more humble and
Speaker 5: uh what you're gonna be. Uh, your anger is going
Speaker 5: to be under control. Everything about you's going to be
Speaker 5: under control in situations like that. So like, the more
Speaker 5: power you have, the easier it is to be a
Speaker 5: good person.
Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would disagree with you.
Speaker 7: They were both champions who objectively were bad people. They
Speaker 7: may have been become good people later on, But Mike Tyson,
Speaker 7: when he was like at his prime, he was threatening
Speaker 7: to like ask, fuck, guys, I'm a fuck you too,
Speaker 7: you love me to the guy before he bought them,
Speaker 7: So you know there's levels to that.
Speaker 3: But I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5: That's the nature of the sports. Same with like wrestling.
Speaker 5: Wrestlers talk a lot of shit too, you know.
Speaker 3: But that's why.
Speaker 6: Mike Tyson actually did get convicted right back in the day.
Speaker 6: People forget that. Why doesn't he get canceled? Why does
Speaker 6: the mean too movement go after him?
Speaker 7: Yes, but to that point also, I would argue that
Speaker 7: every single person on a daily basis gets presented opportunities
Speaker 7: to be a good or bad person. Yes, to your
Speaker 7: point that, yes, if you're a multimillionaire, you have more
Speaker 7: of an ability to like leave extra large tips and
Speaker 7: to be more generous and like, that's the opportunity that's
Speaker 7: been presented to you. If you're a doctor and you're
Speaker 7: a heart surgeon, you have way more opportunities to save
Speaker 7: a human life than your average Joe blow.
Speaker 3: I hear you, one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: I'm not disagreeing with that, But I would also argue
Speaker 7: that if it's anything from how you interact with somebody,
Speaker 7: how you speak to somebody, to putting up your shopping.
Speaker 3: Cart when you go to Walmart rather than leaving it
Speaker 3: in the middle of the parking lot.
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying that leaving it in the spot
Speaker 7: is evil as opposed to putting it in its area,
Speaker 7: which is inherently morally just and probably I'm saying there's
Speaker 7: levels to this, but I would also argue that every
Speaker 7: single person gets presented with opportunities to make choices every day,
Speaker 7: and if you not, and you are being staggnedant just
Speaker 7: sitting at home and being an inceell, then that's inherently
Speaker 7: evil as well, because stagnation luke warmness is not accepted
Speaker 7: in any fucking realm.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 2: We're I feel like we're trying to define what good
Speaker 2: and evil is according to higher level beings. Bro, it's
Speaker 2: a different story. I feel like.
Speaker 7: We're so we can only operate within the human quantified
Speaker 7: realm because that's where we happen to live, right. But
Speaker 7: it's like saying that humans have to abide by the
Speaker 7: laws of physics. It's like, yeah, because we live in
Speaker 7: the physical world. My boy, No, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is is that this whole
Speaker 2: conversation really started by trying to determine what kind of
Speaker 2: power angels and demons have and do they operate on
Speaker 2: the same levels of good and evil as as we
Speaker 2: perceive good and evil. And I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: necessarily that cut and dry.
Speaker 5: And like I said, I think they're like forces of
Speaker 5: nature and they were created for a purpose and that's
Speaker 5: what they do.
Speaker 6: I mean nature it is a psychopath. Like they said
Speaker 6: that the doctor in the World Wars Z movie tried
Speaker 6: to break it down, you know, explain how like nature
Speaker 6: is psychopathic by its own you know, like like when
Speaker 6: when a dog eats her own pups because you're starving
Speaker 6: to death, Like I mean, is that evil? I mean
Speaker 6: if you eat, if you're a human and you eat
Speaker 6: your baby, then yeah, you considered really evil, all right,
Speaker 6: But like, like the same laws don't apply to animals,
Speaker 6: the same rules and morality don't. If humans behave like animals,
Speaker 6: then we'd all be fucking evil, right, And most most
Speaker 6: animals have really a good reason to fear human Like
Speaker 6: we're the evil ones to them. We're the ones that
Speaker 6: put them in slaughter houses. We're the ones that you know,
Speaker 6: slaughter baby cows and we can eat veal.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but this is also the thing, right, This is why.
Speaker 7: And again I'm not saying animals do or don't have souls.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna be able to make that determination, but
Speaker 7: I will say animals operate off of instinct. Humans operate
Speaker 7: off of our thinking brain. That's what separates us from
Speaker 7: the animals. So like, there's no such thing as an
Speaker 7: evil deer or a morally upright deer. They're out there
Speaker 7: doing deer shit, which is completely operating off the realm
Speaker 7: of instinct.
Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of humans that are strictly
Speaker 4: operating off of the Yeah.
Speaker 5: Most most criminals are behaving like animals.
Speaker 7: Yeah, criminals. Yes, I'm humans that we don't want in society.
Speaker 7: That kind of furthers my point.
Speaker 2: And most people operate and they're motivated by fear. If
Speaker 2: that's not animalistic, I mean, if you really think about it,
Speaker 2: like most people, well, I gotta go to work so
Speaker 2: I don't lose my house, I gotta I gotta treat
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's most of the people I have
Speaker 2: met are are motivated by fear more than they are
Speaker 2: by love.
Speaker 4: I would say, So that.
Speaker 3: Is an individual personal dilemma.
Speaker 7: Then if you're living your life strictly based, like fear based.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying you shouldn't have like fear of certain things, obviously,
Speaker 7: but like if you wake up every day scared shitless,
Speaker 7: then like that is a that's a personal problem, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many how many Christians do you know
Speaker 2: that are Christian because they fear the repercussions of not
Speaker 2: being a Christian.
Speaker 7: We've had this talk before and again there's a difference
Speaker 7: between the face they wear and what they actually feel
Speaker 7: in their innermost thoughts. And I understand that, and I
Speaker 7: will never know what these people feel in their innermost thoughts.
Speaker 7: But the vast majority of Christians that I know, and again,
Speaker 7: of all different types of denominations, I'm not putting one
Speaker 7: versus the other on this one. Most of them understand that, yeah,
Speaker 7: you should have a healthy respect and love and fear
Speaker 7: of God, but you also shouldn't be trying to live
Speaker 7: a good Christian life for fear of going to Hell.
Speaker 7: Because if that's how you're operating, then you already missed
Speaker 7: the point of the entire fucking book.
Speaker 6: But that's the first thing that you get threatened with
Speaker 6: when you tell someone you're not a Christian is hell yeah,
Speaker 6: those people. I think ninety five percent of the people
Speaker 6: sitting in church are sitting there because they're fucking scared.
Speaker 7: I will say this most of your I would I
Speaker 7: only want to say ninety five percent.
Speaker 3: I'll be generous in.
Speaker 7: Say ninety percent of quote unquote Christians cannot tell you
Speaker 7: the last time they.
Speaker 3: Open their own fucking book.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All they do is they go.
Speaker 7: They are the routine attendees. They listen to mister pastor man.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that every pastor and every priest
Speaker 3: is on some bullshit.
Speaker 7: But I'm also not saying that they are all batting
Speaker 7: a thousand by any means either. If you claim to
Speaker 7: be about this life, then you better know the standards
Speaker 7: of what you're talking about rather than just regurgitating what
Speaker 7: the pastor told you. That's like going to a chemistry
Speaker 7: class every day for ten years and then telling me
Speaker 7: that you're a chemist. Okay, can you break down the
Speaker 7: basics of a chemical equation or you're just regurgitating whatever
Speaker 7: your fucking chemistry professor said.
Speaker 3: There's levels to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's always that loophole. Well, we're all sinners,
Speaker 2: nobody's perfect. I'm not saying you need to be a
Speaker 2: perfect Christian.
Speaker 7: I'm saying that if you're gonna claim to all right,
Speaker 7: if you're gonna claim to be an expert in weapons
Speaker 7: but you don't actually go to the range, then I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: you're full of shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. And
Speaker 5: I think, you know, it's it's important to do work,
Speaker 5: you know. And I think a lot of people, especially
Speaker 5: like uh, you know, people that are call themselves spiritual
Speaker 5: but they don't really do anything, or like you know,
Speaker 5: or even like Christians and followers like that. I think
Speaker 5: there's work you have to do, yes, and uh yeah,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 7: So it takes effort, dude, And that's a that's a
Speaker 7: whole thing that I feel like so many Christians like
Speaker 7: negate to realize. He told you to put on your
Speaker 7: spiritual armor. Jesus told you if you don't have a sword,
Speaker 7: sell your cloak and buy one. But these people think
Speaker 7: that this isn't a fucking warrior stepping into He told
Speaker 7: you to stay strapped or get clapped in the physical realm.
Speaker 7: I don't know what part of that sounds like it's
Speaker 7: an easy ride.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 5: But so many of these people are about like like like,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, Christians need to start learning, like I mean,
Speaker 5: how to clean your aura, how to remove curses, how
Speaker 5: to remove negative entities, you know, how to purify a
Speaker 5: home and a space. You know, like like these are
Speaker 5: like really basic tools that I feel like everyone should
Speaker 5: learn how to do, you know, And how many how
Speaker 5: many Christians are hopeless if they're like like, let's say
Speaker 5: someone comes over to your house and they have visible
Speaker 5: signs of possession. Life's not working out for them or
Speaker 5: they have a curse on what.
Speaker 6: Do you do?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 7: I believe in the power of prayer above pretty much
Speaker 7: all things, just as speaking personally.
Speaker 5: Power of prayer will work. You know. It's better than nothing,
Speaker 5: you know, but you still need to know what you're doing,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'll give you that too.
Speaker 7: But I mean as far as like cleansing your house
Speaker 7: and stuff goes, I'm not negating that this is a
Speaker 7: thing that can take place by any means. But I
Speaker 7: also feel like most Christians that they are taking the
Speaker 7: if they bring the same level of seriousness to cleansing
Speaker 7: their home that they do to just going and regard
Speaker 7: to taking whatever the pastor.
Speaker 3: Said, then they might as well just not even attempted.
Speaker 3: That's just my yeah.
Speaker 5: But uh but yeah, you know, I mean, uh, learning
Speaker 5: how to do energy healing healing people. You know, even
Speaker 5: just praying over someone helps. But like when you when
Speaker 5: you actually learn the mechanics of energy healing, it's going
Speaker 5: to be far superior. And you can still pray while
Speaker 5: you're doing it.
Speaker 3: Okay, yea. By energy healing, do you mean like reiki
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't do reiki. I just I just
Speaker 5: do energy healing. I just heal people when I when
Speaker 5: I need to, you know, or myself or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I usually work with the archangels associated with the elements.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 5: So I'll do like Metatron for ether, that's the only
Speaker 5: one I really add to it. But uh Raphael, uh
Speaker 5: with air, Michael and fire, Gabriel, water, Auriel and earth
Speaker 5: and uh and I'll go through all of those elements
Speaker 5: and uh and and heal the person and stuff and
Speaker 5: then fill them up with a white cosmic life. Anyway,
Speaker 5: it's a it's but I prefer using angels when it
Speaker 5: comes to healing and stuff. But you know, these are
Speaker 5: things that everyone should learn how to do this, you know,
Speaker 5: like this is you know, at least start blessing your
Speaker 5: food before you eat it.
Speaker 7: Yes, you know, I would agree with that absolutely, you know,
Speaker 7: and then if.
Speaker 5: You want to add one to it, bless it while
Speaker 5: you're cooking it, as you're cooking it, you know, every
Speaker 5: step of the way. You know. Like, yeah, people people
Speaker 5: think of like magic as being external and it's evil
Speaker 5: and all this stuff. But you know, people forget like spirituality.
Speaker 5: Everyone looks at spirituality is like an excuse to be lame,
Speaker 5: you know, when there's when there's actually like really cool
Speaker 5: stuff you can do with it. You know.
Speaker 7: I love that you just said that, and I agree,
Speaker 7: although not everybody who's into spiritualism is lame, not all
Speaker 7: of them, well a lot of them.
Speaker 3: I think you're on the fucking money, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: But but there's a lot of cool stuff you can
Speaker 5: do with it. I think people need to start just
Speaker 5: doing work, man, to start figuring it out and doing work.
Speaker 5: Because you don't have to, Like, you don't have to
Speaker 5: summon demons if you don't want to. You don't have
Speaker 5: to summon angels if you don't want to, but you
Speaker 5: can you should still learn. Like I said, how to
Speaker 5: clean your aura, how to do energy healing on people,
Speaker 5: how to remove negative entities, how to remove of a curse,
Speaker 5: you know, basic stuff like that.
Speaker 7: You know, I mean, you feel like a lot of
Speaker 7: people don't even know who the fuck they are, So
Speaker 7: if you start talking about this level of like real
Speaker 7: in depth conversation, they crumble and just like don't even
Speaker 7: want to talk about it, regardless of what their background is.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, it's pretty easy and it's pretty
Speaker 5: much free. Yeah, that's the other thing, you know, Like
Speaker 5: magic is a free resource.
Speaker 3: As is as a spirituality.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, going to the Bible, dude, Like, I mean,
Speaker 5: there's passages in the Bible you can repeat over and
Speaker 5: over again to curse someone. There's passages in the Bible
Speaker 5: you can use for protection, for healing, you know, the
Speaker 5: and then each character in the Bible you can summon
Speaker 5: and then they will answer your questions, they'll help you out.
Speaker 5: You can summon Raphael, you could summon David.
Speaker 7: You know that being said, and I know we're getting
Speaker 7: We've been going for three hours, and I know that
Speaker 7: it's far longer than in this conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I appreciate both of you for sticking through this.
Speaker 7: I did want to ask one final question, all right,
Speaker 7: and and we may even have to get y'all on
Speaker 7: the show to do this even deeper and further, honestly,
Speaker 7: But I've heard both of you mention certain figures from
Speaker 7: biblical sources. I heard you mentioned earlier Key of Solomon.
Speaker 7: I've heard things be mentioned from Old Testament and some
Speaker 7: New Testament. Lord Byron, I think I know where you
Speaker 7: stand as far as what you believe as far as
Speaker 7: the Bible goes.
Speaker 3: And no, I do not.
Speaker 7: Mean do you believe in Christianity. I'm talking about the
Speaker 7: book itself and the the what some would call truth,
Speaker 7: what some would call myth js. What is your take
Speaker 7: on the Bible and the Torah in that realm of things,
Speaker 7: as far as the historical and factual truth behind it?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 6: I think that there's probably a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 6: true in the Bible, and I think there's probably a
Speaker 6: lot of stuff that's bullshit. And that's pretty much what
Speaker 6: I've found to be true about every grid more religious
Speaker 6: book that I've studied. I mean, I study all religious
Speaker 6: and I digged through the system and try to find
Speaker 6: the gold within this system. So I mean Jesus gave
Speaker 6: curses in the Bible, like Byron just mentioned. You know,
Speaker 6: have you ever heard of dusting your feet? Right?
Speaker 7: He saw about when you leave town, dust your feet
Speaker 7: off and keep walking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that city will suffer the same fate as
Speaker 6: Sodom and Gomora or whatever it says. It's actually a
Speaker 6: band practice in Christianity because it was considered to be
Speaker 6: so so brutal, but it was. That's a curse that
Speaker 6: you could use to destroy an entire city, all right,
Speaker 6: And so if you use the Bible like a grimore,
Speaker 6: like a magic grimoire, then.
Speaker 5: That's a technology.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very easy to siphon through that and find
Speaker 6: the shit that works, the stuff that you can actually use.
Speaker 6: Do I think Abraham was a good guy?
Speaker 9: Fuck?
Speaker 6: No, you know, like like, do I think circumcision is
Speaker 6: a good thing? Let me ask you this. If a
Speaker 6: bunch of Satanists got together and say, you know, we're
Speaker 6: gonna start chopping the tips everybody's little little boy's penis off,
Speaker 6: you know, and the rabbis, the Jewish rabbis, they'll suck
Speaker 6: the blood out of the fucking thing after they snip
Speaker 6: it off. Okay, how is this acceptable? How is this
Speaker 6: fucking practice acceptable? Person of all, I want the tip
Speaker 6: of my penis back, and the doctor was still alive
Speaker 6: that did that to me, I'd go chop his off too.
Speaker 6: That's how I feel about circumcision. That is mutilating a
Speaker 6: child's genitals shortly after birth. It traumatizes and scars them forever.
Speaker 6: Twenty four thousand nerve endings in the tip of your foreskin.
Speaker 6: All right, these are Christian Abrahamic practices, and nobody calls
Speaker 6: them out for being fucking evil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And imagine how bad that fractures your psyche at
Speaker 5: that young of an age because they strap you into
Speaker 5: this cold table, defintely helpless. You don't have your parent,
Speaker 5: you know, and and having at such a young age
Speaker 5: that there's no way you can really do like shadow
Speaker 5: work and really work it all out, like it just
Speaker 5: fractures you, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Fair, fair, So that being said, as far as that's
Speaker 7: what you mean, As far as like the bullshit that
Speaker 7: can be found in the Bible or what you claim
Speaker 7: or what you believe.
Speaker 6: It, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 6: stories in the Bible that are probably made up to
Speaker 6: give you examples of morality and things like that or
Speaker 6: what they proceed to be morality. But also think a
Speaker 6: lot of things in there troop too, Okay, So like historically,
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I think Moses was a real person.
Speaker 6: And you know whether or not Noah built an arc
Speaker 6: or not and put two of every animal on it.
Speaker 6: That doesn't sound very feasible to me. I could see
Speaker 6: like collecting DNA from from all these different animals, yeah,
Speaker 6: but not actually putting two buffalow and two elephant and
Speaker 6: do everything on a fucking boat. It's not possible. So
Speaker 6: so I believe that, you know, things get get misconstrued
Speaker 6: and misinterpreted over time. I also believe that a lot
Speaker 6: of it is written intentionally false in order to be
Speaker 6: a control mechanism. All right, there's a lot of fear,
Speaker 6: a lot of fire and brimstone in there.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It also says you should do whatever your government and
Speaker 5: says because governments were appointed by.
Speaker 7: God, yes, and unless they go against the word of God.
Speaker 7: There's multiple examples where the law of the land told
Speaker 7: the followers to commit this sacrifice or you'll be put
Speaker 7: to death, and they're like, well, we're not going to
Speaker 7: do that sacrifice. Because it's to a pagan god, so
Speaker 7: they would go against the law. So like it, you know,
Speaker 7: within the realm of acceptable behavior.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I really like, just to finish what I
Speaker 6: was saying there, I really feel like anything that rules
Speaker 6: you out of fear is evil.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: That's my definition of evil. If it rules me out
Speaker 6: of fear or attempts to anything that seeks to dominate
Speaker 6: or control me is evil. And I revolt against anything
Speaker 6: that seeks to dominate and control me, that includes people
Speaker 6: and or gods.
Speaker 3: That's fair very well.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean we could, honestly, we could have
Speaker 2: this conversation all damn night. This has been so much fun,
Speaker 2: and you know, I love getting the different perspectives, and
Speaker 2: we appreciate you guys coming on the show and spending
Speaker 2: the night with us.
Speaker 5: But there was some pretty fire tangents in some of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sure.
Speaker 5: I was like driving on a road trip and I
Speaker 5: was listening to this, I'd like, damn, dude, these guys
Speaker 5: are these guys are dropping bars.
Speaker 2: It was a good show, man. We appreciate you guys
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, if anybody wants to be able to
Speaker 2: reach out to either one of you, guys. I guess
Speaker 2: Byron will start with you. If anybody wants to be
Speaker 2: able to find you any of your work, where would
Speaker 2: they go to?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 5: My main YouTube channels at my apotheosis and then Lord
Speaker 5: Byron jest there all over case yeah, Instagram and.
Speaker 4: YouTube gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 6: And j S Yeah. My website's jays Garrett dot net. Uh,
Speaker 6: Lord Byron here actually makes all our radi ONX machines
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Speaker 5: Did I show you this?
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Speaker 6: Hell yeah. The other place you find is YouTube is
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Speaker 6: that'll come up. So that's the two places. The website,
Speaker 6: my YouTube awesome awesome with two t's, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: With two tea's all right, and two rs? But is
Speaker 2: it two rs and two teas? And Garrett gotcha?
Speaker 4: All right?
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