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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. Was she crying out to you

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when you were beating her to death?

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Speaker 3: Was she screaming?

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Speaker 4: Because all those things we're talking about right now, you're

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gonna have to live with those fucking dreams?

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Speaker 1: So I want to say something. And this isn't something

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anyone's told me to do, by the way, and this

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isn't one of those lame public apologies begging for forgiveness,

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probbling to be accepted by the masses I've offended. It's

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not that at all.

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Speaker 2: But I do.

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Speaker 1: Feel it's warranted that I say something because I realized

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something this week. A light bulb went on, something that

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took me a while to figure out. I'm fifty, I

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know here it is. I am way too quick to generalize,

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to group people together, especially regarding bad behavior, the bad

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behavior we continue to see week after week after week

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on this program, And despite numbers and statistics and data,

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it really just doesn't help anyone to spread those generalizations around.

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In fact, it's harmful, very harmful. I spent the last

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week thinking about a lot of stuff, thinking about how

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I perceive the world around me and why, And all

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I gotta say is that there's going to be a

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few changes around here now you may not even notice.

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And I'm still going to be in the opinionated, loud

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mouthed asshole. No it all. I mean, that's just my character.

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But I'm gonna think long and hard next time before

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I make another generalization in my anger and frustration, because

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that sentiment only leads to a perpetual spiral of self

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destruction for individuals and for society at large, also for myself.

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We're gonna employ the phrase do better. We're gonna do

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better around here moving forward. That's a promise and the

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proof is in the pudding. So stay tuned, and thanks

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to all of you that have stuck around so far.

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People make mistakes, people react emotionally sometimes and don't think

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things through, and I'm no exception, So thank you from

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the bottom of my heart. For real, for real, All right,

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let's get it on with episode three oh four. This

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one's gonna be uh oh boy, oh boy. Well you'll see,

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oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll see. This is Sword Scale,

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a show that reveals every week that the worst monsters

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are real It's an overcast morning in the half forgotten

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beach town of Port Bolivar, Texas. It's March of twenty fourteen,

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just seven months before the dawn of this program. The

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air carries a mix of salt brine and diesel fumes.

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Inside Fisherman's Cove Food Mart, Bonnie Sioux Devout is getting

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into the rhythm of her day, same routine, same familiar faces,

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stopping in for coffee, gas, or pack of smokes. Bonnie's

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Little Store is the only stop along this part of

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the peninsula, surrounded by a sea of marsh reeds that

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stretch all the way to the shoreline. Soon, a Budweiser

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truck pulls into the lot. The driver says Hi to

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Sue and unloads his crates before he leaves for his

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next stop. He does Bonnie Sue a favor and takes

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out the trash. Behind Fisherman's co Food Mart is nothing

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more than a lone dumpster and an abandoned hotel. The

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delivery driver takes a few steps out the back of

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the store and stops dead in his tracks. That's when

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he sees them. Two bodies were sprawled by the dumpster

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for a second. They didn't seem real, but then the

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details hit A bullet hole above the woman's temple with

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a gaping white and pink chunk of tissue peeking through.

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The other body lies face down, baggy jeans, boxer shorts,

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and combat boots poking out from beneath a dirty pink

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sheet that is twisted around the victim's head. Your eyes

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see the details, and your brain takes a little while

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to sort them out put them in the right place.

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It's like all those movies you saw with all the violence,

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doesn't seem real, but this is real. The delivery driver

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rushes back into the store and tells Bonnie Sue she's

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got to come outside. Bonnie takes one look at those

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bodies and calls nine one one.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and how do you know that they're de ceased?

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Speaker 6: I want to look at them. My bud wiser man

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was here to drop up in order, uh huh. And

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he walked to the dumpster to go disposure some trash,

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and because they took the back of my bill, and

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he came in and told me to call nine one one,

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but he said.

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Speaker 5: If you want to make sure they're not manniquin.

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Speaker 6: And I walk back there and they're not mannequin.

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Speaker 1: As Bonnie Sue waited for the police to make it

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out to her desolate food mark, she grew concerned about

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the customers pulling up.

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Speaker 5: We're getting in, its in, we're out while I'm talking

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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, should I close my or just.

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Speaker 5: Definitely don't let nobody around the area, keep everybody back.

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I had to get people, ma'am, ma'am. Yes, trying not

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to spread that around.

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Speaker 1: Okay, clearly this was the most thrilling thing that had

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happened to Bonnie Sue in quite a while. But murder

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is entertaining, right, Can you blame her?

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Speaker 5: Did you tell her they both male or pro female

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or melon female? Could you tell I could?

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Speaker 6: I did not get that close because I didn't want

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to intercure in a clap wing. I know they appeared

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to be black in color.

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Speaker 1: The victim who had been shot in the temple was

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clearly a female. She was on her back, but her

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legs were twisted up in the other victims combat boots

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bent in unnatural ways. Her white tank top was blotchy

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with blood, and her blue bra was sticking out. Her

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eyes were wide open under heavy fake eyelashes.

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Speaker 5: I didn't have a see any blood or anything on

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the ground around them.

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Speaker 6: Right one of the porthos has a lot of blood

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Speaker 1: It was so strange to find a double homicide on

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the outskirts of Crystal Beach. This unincorporated town was an

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hour south of Houston at the tip of Peninsula. The

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nearest police department was Galveston, Texas, which is a ferry

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ride away. Detective Danny Kitchens was just starting his morning

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when he got the call about the bodies behind the dumpster.

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Speaker 2: About seven forty five. I heard the call come out

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on the radio, the police radio normally, and I was

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to go on call that day that Friday, but it

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did start till eight o'clock, so I hadn't made it

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to the office yet. I picked up my phone, called

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dispatch and told them, I said, just go ahead and

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show me a route to this call. Well where our

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office is located Old Galveston Island, And in order to

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get to the location where the bodies were discovered, you

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have to take a ferry across. It's about a twenty

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thirty minute ride over there. Of course, by the time

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we get to the ferry, several more the Texas also

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showed up at the same time, and we get off

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the ferry on the other side. You know, the first

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location that you come to is this store is probably

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a mile a mile and a half away from the

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Port Bolivar ferry and on the Bottivar peninsula.

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Speaker 1: A fleet of cops and detectives to send it off

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the ferry boat and into the sleepy beach town in

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a parade of sirens.

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Speaker 2: When we pull up the store, the store is still

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an active store, but behind it is an abandoned hotel

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and you can see that. You know, it's all trash,

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it's all been painted on, almost all the doors gone

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off of every room. But there's a dumpster sitting in

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front of the hotel there and the two bodies are

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found laying outside of it. One of them had a

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sheet wrapped around its head, so you couldn't tell the

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idea any of the other one just kind of laying there.

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and trim off of a house, along with male and

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some kids' toys.

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Speaker 1: Detective Kitchens was staring down into a tangled mess. His

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career as a lead detective had just been kickstarted. Behind

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the CD Hotel.

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Speaker 2: And this is while I'm here, my first murder case

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that I'm lead on working as a detective for Galvesta County.

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Since who done it is more or less I was

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thrown in the deep end of the ocean and told

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her to swim.

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Speaker 1: Detective Kitchens started in law enforcement to become a detective.

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This is what he wanted to do. He wanted to

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solve crimes, and he had a huge mystery lying right

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in front of him, so he jumped into the deep

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end and started swimming. When Detective Kitchens removed the sheet

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covering what they initially assumed was a male victim, they

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realized it was actually a woman. They had two bodies,

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both young, black and female, neither had any identity on them.

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Speaker 2: Well kind of looked around, and you know, we noticed

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that had her head wrapped up in the sheet. And

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the first thing I'm thinking of is whoever done this

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is embarrassed or doesn't want to look at the damage

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that he's done. That's a whole purpose in her head

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being wrapped up in that sheet.

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Speaker 1: Trash was all around the bodies, but one thing stood

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out like a sore thumb, A piece of mail addressed

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to a woman named Brittany Cosby. The address on the

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envelope said Houston, Houston, Texas. That is, Hey, that's where

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I'm at. Great place if you like tacos and oil. Anyway,

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amongst the soda bottles and random dirty socks, this envelope

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could mean something that made as much sense being there

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as the women's bodies did. So Detective Kitchens followed his

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Speaker 2: We followed the mail back to the residence. When we

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first looked at the house, there was white and green

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shutter on the front of the house, which matched a

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white and green shutter that we found at the scene.

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actually took place at All we know is where they

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were dumped, and we know that where it originated from

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had to be that house with that shutter in the back.

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That's when I approached. The resident at the house happened

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to be a ninety two year old great grandmother of

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Britney Cosby, who was able to positively identify both of

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them for us.

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Speaker 1: Annie Lee Cosby was Brittany's great grandmother. She was a

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ninety two year old amputee bound to her wheelchair and

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very hard of hearing, annie Lee identified Brittany as the

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victim in the men's clothing, and he said the other

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victim was Brittany's girlfriend, Crystal Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Brittany and Crystal were girlfriends to each other. Both of

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them carried on a lesbian relationship. They're about twenty four

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years old. Brittany had just gotten a good job and

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Crystal had two Both of them were working and recently

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bought a new car. They lived together there at the house.

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Crystal had a young daughter about five years of age age.

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Crystal's father is a preacher who was very much against

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the lifestyle that Crystal and Britney lived.

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Speaker 1: Due to Crystal's family not approving of her lesbian relationship,

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the two lived with Brittany's grandmother, annie Lee. Annie Lee

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had a home care nurse but needed help constantly, so

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the girls took care of her. After all, annie Lee

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had raised Brittany from a child since her mother left

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the picture and her father had been in and out

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of prison. Life had settled down quite nicely for Brittany

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and Crystal, who were working steady jobs and saving up

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to get their own place.

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Speaker 2: One day, but.

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Speaker 1: Cristel's father was a Baptist preacher, and that comes with

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a whole lot of religious baggage because he had no

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tolerance for their lesbian lifestyle. The murder felt personal. Crystal

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had been shot in the head and Brittany had been

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beaten to death with a blunt force object and then

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covered with a sheet. They had been dumped far far away,

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like whoever did this wanted to make the whole thing

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disappear like sand under the waves of the ocean. So

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they started with Crystal's father, Ivan Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's where our first thoughts went to was

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to Ivan, knowing that he was completely against their relationship.

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So later on that day I was able to make

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contact with him and speak with him, and I noticed

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that when I told him that it appeared to be

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a shock, you know, of what had happened, But he

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was almost like he knew. He kept telling me that

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I knew something bad had happened. I told her this

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something like this was going to happen. So, I mean,

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the first thing we do is start looking at him.

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Speaker 1: Brittany and Crystal had been surrounded by a lot of love,

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but Ivan's judgment was the shadow in their lives. I

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don't know why people have to be such dicks, you know,

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just live your life. Who gives a shit people like

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this that ruined things for everyone? Really, but whatever, her father,

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Ivan Jackson, was rigid and certain his way was the

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only way. Could a man who preached family and forgiveness

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actually spill his own blood? Or could this be a

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case of the most obvious suspect being the wrong one entirely?

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In the desolate beach town of Port Bolivar, two dead

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women had been found outside of a dumpster behind a

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convenience store. Victims, Brittany Cosby and Crystal Jackson, were both

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twenty four years old and starting their lives as a couple.

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A lesbian couple. Again, nothing wrong with that. If you

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think there's some wrong with that, there's some wrong with you.

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Get over it. Anyway. They lived with Brittany's great grandmother

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in a small brick house in Houston. Lovely city except

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for all the oil wells everywhere. Also, you ever heard

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a zoning? Anyway, Crystal's father, Ivan Jackson, was really against

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their relationship. He was not a happy camper. This was

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his daughter who he loved, and she was with a woman,

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a woman who dressed up like a man and wore

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pants too low? What's up with that? In fact, he

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didn't really converse with Brittany all that much, and he

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didn't allow her into his family home.

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Speaker 7: He would tell us although she I would come to

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the door and she would always have a fans off

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hanging off.

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Speaker 8: So I'm going to go stay outside.

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Speaker 2: In a case like this, it's not more or less

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say it. He's the one that done it. But to

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rule him out, you know, if this is not the

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right person, I want to rule him out. But since

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his feelings towards the relationship those had, we kind of

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zeroed in on that point, thinking, is this a motive?

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You know how much a little bit about your daughter?

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Speaker 4: Just tell us about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, Crystal was quiet.

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Speaker 7: This was she was smart sheet she finished high school,

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she finished college, so she had a good education. She

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was just quiet.

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Speaker 5: Did have another get.

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Speaker 3: Him in the world.

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Speaker 7: Everybody in the neighborhood loved him and where she went

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church members was a daughter. They've been known since she

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was born into the world, and she knew she had

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some loving parents.

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Speaker 8: So that's why she.

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Speaker 7: Would leave the baby with us all the time, because

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she know we was gonna let anything happen to the baby.

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Speaker 1: Crystal had a daughter from a previous relationship named Zanaya.

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The child's father was absent and ran from his child

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support payments, so Crystal was raising Zanaiah alone with the

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help of her parents. Then she met Brittany and fell

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in love, but like all couples, sometimes they fought, and

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Ivan told the police that about a year ago, one

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incident steered the course of their relationship into a new direction.

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Speaker 7: Well a matter of fact, on one instance of about

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maybe a year ago, Brittany put Crystal and the baby

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out in the cold. So when I got out of church,

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Crystal was calling me, and that's him come over there

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to pick her up.

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Speaker 1: I havn't picked up Crystal and Zania. He was angry

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that things had gotten so out of hand, especially in

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front of the baby.

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Speaker 7: And I told her say, I'm come to pick you up,

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but they maybe ain't going back with yourself. You might

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as well just stay here with your daughter, Okay. But

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two weeks later Crystal was back over there. So I

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made it my decision. I asked my I didn't even

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talk to my wife about it. I say, I'm gonna

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get my grandbaby and she coming home.

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Speaker 1: Ivan put his foot down since that days, and Naia

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had lived with Ivan and his wife Crystal, and Brittany

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would take care of her regularly, but her home base

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was Ivan's house. According to him, Zanaiah didn't even like

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going to Brittany's house.

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Speaker 7: I would have one of my church members to pick

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her up and take her to Brittany in them house,

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and they got so bad so that my grandbaby didn't

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want to.

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Speaker 2: Go over there no more so.

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Speaker 8: And she told me that.

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Speaker 7: I feel sorry because that baby cries when she gets

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out of my car because she know I'm taking her

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over there. So that's when I made my decision to

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go over there and get that baby out of that

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situation that.

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Speaker 5: She was in.

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Speaker 1: But despite the tension between Ivan, Brittany, and Crystal, it

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became clear that Ivan truly loved his daughter her. He

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wouldn't hurt her, and even though he didn't approve of Brittany,

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he saw how happy she made Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Who would you say would be Crystal's one of her

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best friends Brittany? Besides Brittany, did she have an other prayer?

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Who was she really close to Brittany?

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Speaker 1: Did she have any close male friends?

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Speaker 7: No, Crystal was crazy about Brittany, though, like I told you,

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I didn't never condone them being together. I didn't like

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her changing her sexual orientation, but it wasn't not to

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do because she was grown.

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Speaker 2: Throughout the whole process. With him, he's just been on

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the straight and narrow the entire time. There was nothing

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that really made me look at him any harder because

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I felt like we were looking at the wrong person

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when it came to him, simply by his personality, and

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I could tell that when we did talk to him,

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he appeared to be genuinely heart broke over the loss

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of his daughter.

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Speaker 8: Autum.

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Speaker 7: It's hard, and I tried to bring up the right way,

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but somewhere off line, she went to left field.

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Speaker 2: After we ruled out the preacher, we didn't know which

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direction to go at that time. We were started to

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look at maybe ex boyfriends, a jealous lover somewhere what

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we had nowhere to go. We didn't know where which

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way to turn.

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Speaker 1: Detective Kitchens and the Galveston team went back to the

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drawing board and started canvassing anyone connected to Brittany and Crystal.

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Speaker 2: We start talking to everybody, find out who the little

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girl's daddy is. We find go to Crystal's job, you know,

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things of that nature, and just speak with everybody she

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worked with, speak with people around them, try to find

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out if there's anybody angry at them, with something going

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on we don't know about. And we kept hitting the

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dead end. We never could get to anything to solidify,

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but started leaning back towards Brittany because Brittany's head was

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the one that was covered up with the sheet.

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Speaker 1: They were at a loss. Brittany and Crystal's vehicle had

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not been found yet either. How did these two women

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who basically kept to themselves end up brutally killed and

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left behind a dumpster in a far off peninsula on

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the Gulf of Mexico or sorry, Gulf of America. This

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attack was not random. Someone who knew them did this.

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As Detective Kitchens wondered if the rest of the investigation

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would be a series of hopeless dead ends, the forensic

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team made a bone chilling discovery, if you recall, At

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the dumpster where the bodies were found, Detective Kitchens had

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not only discovered that piece of mail with Brittany's name

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on it, but also a green shutter that had been

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precariously placed on the abandoned hotel.

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Speaker 2: This shutter was leaned up against the abandoned hotel wall,

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but in between the wall and the shutter itself was

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a piece of paper, almost like he used it like

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a glove to pick the shutter up up to set

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it down to keep his prints from being on the shutter.

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Speaker 1: This piece of paper had been analyzed by forensics, along

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with every other piece of random trash at the crime scene.

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The detectives were leaving no stones unturned.

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Speaker 2: Well, the print was actually on the paper, probably not

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knowing we could lift that print off the paper, and

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since he wasn't using the glove or anything else, you know,

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his fingerprint was right there. So when I find out

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about this print, one of my partners and I were

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on our way to Houston talking to somebody else that

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might know something about it. Turns out that was the

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dead end too. But the forensic man called me. He said,

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who is James Cosby? Because he don't know who the

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players are at this time. All he knows is the evidence.

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I said, well, James Cosby is the father of Britney Cosby.

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I said, why he tells me because we lifted his

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print off that piece of paper that was holding the shutter.

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So by that time I tell my partner on our

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way to Houston, I said, say, as we get finished

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with this interview, we need to go back to the residents.

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Speaker 1: Britney's father, James Cosby, had recently moved back into Annie

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Leeese house after being released from jail. He was tall, slender,

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and very calm. When he returned to Annie's house after

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the detectives told him his daughter had been killed, he

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was shocked.

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Speaker 3: Are you the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of.

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Speaker 3: Kind of give him a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Sit down here, please, now.

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Speaker 4: Whateverened, that's what we're trying to find, to find out.

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Speaker 3: We found on the bottle of peninsula.

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Speaker 1: James sat down at the kitchen table next to Annie Lee,

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put his head in his hands and cried, James.

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Speaker 9: I know we're hitting you with the lost takes a minute,

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but we're gonna really need the talk.

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Speaker 1: You can help us so we can find out who did.

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Speaker 5: What else?

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Speaker 2: That's what When Andrew hailfully, that's what we need to

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help you.

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Speaker 1: Detective Kitchens and his partner hadn't thought much about James

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after that day. He acted like a grieving father and

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he was visibly shaken up, but now with the news

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of this fingerprint, they had to take a closer look

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at him. They would start at Annie's house, where the

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shutter had come from.

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Speaker 2: So we do go back over there. At that time

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we get there, one of the cousins is they're taking

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care of Grandma, so we speak with her outside the house.

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If I'm going to draw you a picture of the house,

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is a little small brick house. The garage has been

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converted into a den, which is where James Cosby was staying.

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He had it almost set up like a prison cell,

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had a sheet that separated the room, just everything was

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just set up like it would have been if he

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was still in prison. On the side of the house

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is a car port with a wheelchair ramp. Well, Grandma

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sits in a wheelchair since she's had one leg amputated,

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so that's where she would go in and out at.

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So whenever we pull the lady outside to talk to

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her about what she may know, what I did, she

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may have she looks around the car port and tells

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us something's wrong out here. And my partner says, what

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is that? She said, what is clean? It's never clean

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out here. They don't lift the finger to do anything.

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But with that time, I go around and I look

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by the wheelchair ramp and I noticed it the other day.

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We didn't think much about it. There's four bricks sitting

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at the end of the wheelchair ramp, kind of off

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to the side, and I thought, well, this is a

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little bit odd. Let me just take a look. So

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I kicked the bricks out of the way and I

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see about four drops of blood right there underneath it.

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Speaker 1: Another bloody piece of the puzzle was staring Detective Kitchens

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right in the face under those loose bricks.

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Speaker 2: Called my partner over, I said, look at this, and

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he starts looking up that ramp and closer to the door,

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we see small blood smudges that we had not seen

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before because we didn't know where the crime scene was.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately I'd done a search warrant on the house just

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in case, and I called my friends partner. I said,

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you guys need to get over here, and you need

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to get over here now. He said why, I said,

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cause we're standing in the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: The forensic team rushed over and started executing a search warrant.

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They started in James's makeshift bedroom in the den.

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Speaker 2: When we went into the den, which is more or

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less his bedroom. This is where we see a broken lamp.

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We start looking closer at everything since we found the

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blood drops, and we start seeing blood drops on the floor.

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Not only that, we see where he has taken rugs

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and put over the bloodstains on the carpet and it

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has seeped through the blood had so there was blood

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all over his bedroom.

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Speaker 1: The room was ramshackle, but his things were neat like

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Detective Kitchen said. He organized his belongings like he would

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have in prison. He had just been released a few

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weeks prior, he was serving time for a warrant he

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ran from. He had a Bible on the table and

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00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,200
a copy of the Kuran next to his neat row

479
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,920
of sneakers, like a good little criminal.

480
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: We spent several hours over there. We find out later

481
00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:59,519
that night that he's at a vigil for the death

482
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,160
of his dogs, and I think he's even interviewed on television,

483
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,559
you know about his feelings on that case. Well, since

484
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,880
we have found this, I tell two of my partners,

485
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,759
I said, hey, go pick him up. We need to

486
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,880
convince him to come to Galveston and talk to us.

487
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,799
Let him know we found more information he didn't realize

488
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:18,839
it was gonna wind up being an interrogation at the time.

489
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: James walked into the Galveston Police station, still dressed from

490
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,240
the vigil, his kangle hat, black jacket.

491
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,559
Speaker 2: The whole look was that of.

492
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:32,319
Speaker 1: A middle aged man trying a little too hard. It's

493
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,599
kind of the look I go for. But Detective Kitchens

494
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,680
and his partner weren't fooled. He had to be their guy.

495
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:43,640
The blood evidence from the room was like the secrets

496
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,839
of the shoreline at low tide. Dark red circles of

497
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,200
blood settled into the dirty carpet like forgotten tide pools.

498
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,799
Now they just needed to make James break.

499
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: I had to before I interview anybody or go over

500
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:00,799
or anything with you.

501
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 8: I'm watching those TV shows, you know that nigh say

502
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,079
Miranda right, that means you under rest? No, it sure don't.

503
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: All of this that's all I see him.

504
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,839
Speaker 2: Perry Mason, Yeah, that's believe me. TV's a bunch of crap.

505
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: James waved his right and agreed to talk.

506
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: What was your relationship? Tell us about your adventure of

507
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,720
your relationship.

508
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: That's your daughter.

509
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: She was my daughter, I mean.

510
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,799
Speaker 8: You know, oh yeah, I didn't have we didn't have

511
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:38,400
a traditional father daughter relationship for a long period of

512
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,000
her life. I was not around. Uh she was five,

513
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,759
she was five when I left. She was fifteen when

514
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,839
I came home. So during those years, I kind of,

515
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160
you know, I missed those years, you know what I'm saying.

516
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,240
Came home in O four, Uh, started working at the waterfront,

517
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,440
me hun grand and stayed at the house together. We

518
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:07,799
had a I actually talked to Brittany one time. I

519
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:09,640
told her, I said, you know, I failed you as

520
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,000
a fault. I should have been here. A lot of

521
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,599
things that you're going through not really all your fault.

522
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:15,279
I look at it like it's my fault.

523
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: James wasn't a good father to Brittany. He was in

524
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:23,000
prison for most of her young life and they never

525
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,160
developed a bond. Then he got out and wanted to

526
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,079
play dad. All of a sudden, and there's a teenage girl,

527
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,880
all grown up with a butcher lesbian girlfriend. James had

528
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,440
a hard time accepting this. Clearly, he thought that fathering

529
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,759
just kind of happens on its own, and he wasn't

530
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,319
happy with the fathering that had been going on in

531
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:45,960
his absence.

532
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 8: He was either except that or don't have your daughter

533
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,000
at all, right, so you know I kind of kind

534
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,880
of grew on. Yeah, yeah, she's my daughter.

535
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,599
Speaker 10: So you know, what do you think happened to your daughter?

536
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,279
Speaker 8: The best scenario that I heard was the morning that

537
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:09,079
they left that maybe they went to the convenience or whatever.

538
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:12,440
Book you know, Like I say, that's not out of

539
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,480
the ordinary for her to do that. Run to the store,

540
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,880
grab a coke or grab a cigarrillo or whatever she

541
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,160
grabbed it, come right back now, that's normal.

542
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: James had told police that on the morning Brittany and

543
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Crystal disappeared, they were ready to drop Zenaia off at

544
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,839
school and then head back to work, but first Brittany

545
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,319
and Crystal needed to run to the store. They got

546
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,839
in the car and never came back. But Detective Kitchens

547
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,240
and his partner had evidence. They had all the blood

548
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,000
that was all over his bedroom and the car port.

549
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,880
They knew that Brittany and Crystal had been killed in

550
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,480
that house. More importantly, they had James's fingerprint on a

551
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,720
piece of paper ditched beside the shutter.

552
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: Did some of that wood in that blind, fat little

553
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,359
blind that was open the front of that house, that's

554
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,079
been off of that house for a long time. Obviously,

555
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:11,839
wind up with those girls' bodies. I cannot grasp how

556
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,240
on Jesus Christ Earth can that happen? Kill me?

557
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 10: Your what's your thoughts?

558
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 8: I can't make sense of that.

559
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,839
Speaker 10: Oh, I can't either.

560
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,119
Speaker 4: I can't either. There's other stuff that was there with

561
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,799
those two girls, remains that came from that.

562
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 10: House Wednesday night.

563
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: That wood was not in that.

564
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 8: Vehicle, okay, And how do we know that?

565
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,759
Speaker 2: Because in another witness.

566
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: James sat in that cold, gray interrogation room for five

567
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:48,759
and a half hours. Detective Kitchens and his lieutenant pressed

568
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:53,559
him about the blood, the shutter, and the fingerprints. They

569
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,680
told him that they knew he had done this. They

570
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,160
shoved Gruce some photos of Brittany's body line on the concrete,

571
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,519
her head cracked open, her eyes black. They showed him

572
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,119
close up prints of Crystal's face and the gaping gunshot

573
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,480
hole in her head. James just took his time and

574
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,920
stayed calm, not revealing anything.

575
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 10: They left alives.

576
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,039
Speaker 3: They died in that room.

577
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:26,119
Speaker 10: They left that day, okay, that morning we all agree

578
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:30,240
about eight thirty, right, okay, okay, And then sometime after

579
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,839
that they died and were killed in your room. Something

580
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,400
fucking happened in there, something happened with them, and you

581
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
got you got in the middle of it here, what happened?

582
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,279
Speaker 8: No, I don't get in the middle of the day. Tips.

583
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 10: Well, then you got into something with them or with

584
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:48,640
something happened.

585
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,839
Speaker 3: Here to the point where I would no, I don't know.

586
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,319
Speaker 8: I'm telling you no, I'm telling you no.

587
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,799
Speaker 2: The biggest sign that I know of that he felt

588
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,680
like he was getting defeed is when he would start

589
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,720
to put elbows on his knees and drop his head.

590
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,359
That's usually a good sign that they're on the edge

591
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,679
or they're on the verge. But he would be there

592
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,519
for a minute and then he would lean back and

593
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:12,679
sit straight up across his arms again. And that's when

594
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,320
I knew we were fixing out a start all over.

595
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,760
I know you did this. You know you did this.

596
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,079
Lieutenant knows you did this. The whole world's fixing to

597
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:23,119
find out you did this.

598
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 4: You gotta make all of them suffer and not explaining

599
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,039
why you did it. But it's up to you.

600
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: House presented.

601
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: Do you just think that we're all ignorant? Do you

602
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:39,480
really think that prosecutors, even jury's are just so ignorant

603
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,320
that they're going to fall for your bullshit and your

604
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,559
lack of remorse and putting your family through this. Do

605
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,760
you think they're not going to see that, James, Do

606
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,000
you think they're not going to see that? Yeah, they're

607
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,519
going to see it.

608
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: Had we interviewed the little girl before we spoke with him,

609
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,840
I would have had a better timeline. We were close

610
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,360
to getting him to crack. My timeline was off and

611
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:01,920
he knew it.

612
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: They had made one big mistake. The detectives thought that

613
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,920
the suspect had murdered Brittany and Crystal in the evening

614
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,320
the day before they were found. They were certain until

615
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,079
they talked to Cristel's daughter, Zanaiah.

616
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,199
Speaker 2: Mama had put her into the vehicle getting ready to

617
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,599
take her to school for that day and had gone

618
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:25,679
back inside the house. Now I can't quote everything she said,

619
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,199
but the main thing was that she told me that

620
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,320
she could hear the bad guy behind her, and she

621
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,800
could hear a taser or what she called was a laser.

622
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: Amongst Brittany's belongings in the house, they found her Michael

623
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,280
Jordan backpack with her laptop and taser gun in it.

624
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Zanaya said she heard the laser. She sat in the

625
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,320
car seat, buckled in and ready to go, but neither

626
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,079
Crystal nor Brittany came back to the car. Eventually, she

627
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:55,880
freed herself and walked inside.

628
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: She actually got out of the car on her own

629
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,400
and went back inside into the living room and asked

630
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,239
where her mama was. Her mom and Crystal and James

631
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,320
told her that they walked to work, that they just

632
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,440
left and walked to work. So she stayed with that

633
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:14,079
grandmother all day until the other grandparents came and picked

634
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:14,440
her up.

635
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: Had Detective Kitchens known this before interrogating James, he might

636
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,159
have been able to crack him. But James was a

637
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,599
seasoned criminal. He spent his entire adult life behind bars.

638
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,320
He was not a normal person. The people behind bars,

639
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,960
you don't want them walking around in your neighborhood. Trust

640
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,400
me on that.

641
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,079
Speaker 2: You know, even after he's arrested, we're still investigating and

642
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:41,960
we're still gathering details about him. I had found out.

643
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,199
You know, he's had a pretty extensive criminal history, pretty

644
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,199
much lived his entire life behind bars. From his ag assaults,

645
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,039
act sexual assaults, you know, the fights he had with

646
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,719
his ex wife, the whole nine yards one of the

647
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,119
things that one of the reports I read where he

648
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,480
was arrested in Houston progravated assault fors off to his

649
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,199
ex wife when she described what she had experienced with

650
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,679
him going through that assault was exactly the picture that

651
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,320
was painted in this homicide.

652
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,599
Speaker 1: The beating that James had given his ex wife was

653
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:18,840
the reason he had served Brittany's whole childhood in prison.

654
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: She said that, you know, ordinarily he's just a calm

655
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,079
natured person and then would just flip out and go crazy.

656
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,159
As a matter of fact, I think I remember her

657
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,800
stating in the report she called him the devil or Satan.

658
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,639
It was like he was the devil or Satan, just

659
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,400
beaten on her.

660
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: They talked to his girlfriend, who had been with him

661
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,559
the entire morning. On the day prior to the bodies

662
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:43,480
being discovered, while James and his girlfriend had been driving

663
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,960
around Houston, they got into an altercation with her ex

664
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,679
husband on the road. James called nine to one one.

665
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 8: Jag maner to was trying to run this out of

666
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:55,159
the road.

667
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 7: In my car.

668
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,679
Speaker 3: So you need police.

669
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 9: Let the police for what city, Houston to earnest what's

670
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:04,400
the location where the officers needed.

671
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: James's girlfriend gave a full rundown of that day. She

672
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,119
said that on the morning of the murders, she saw

673
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,400
James driving in Brittany's car towards a desolate road in Houston.

674
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,559
She just happened to be passing by, so she pulled

675
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,760
a U turn and followed him. Detective Kitchens thinks this

676
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,639
was the original place he planned to dump the bodies,

677
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,440
but he was caught by his girlfriend. As they tried

678
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,119
to leave, her car got stuck in the mud, so

679
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,440
she joined him in Brittany's car. He drove her back

680
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,039
to the place she was staying, and that's when he

681
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:44,880
reevaluated his plan. He decided to catch a ferry that

682
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:48,679
evening to Port Bolivar. He went back to the house

683
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,119
and loaded up on all the pieces of evidence he

684
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,719
assumed would have blood or DNA on them. Then he

685
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,440
put Brittany in the trunk as well.

686
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,599
Speaker 2: When the bodies were out, Crystal was on top of

687
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,079
Brittany at the dump site, and all the blood that

688
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,320
was on Crystal actually belonged to Brittany.

689
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: James waited for the dark, then he took off to

690
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Port Bolivar. Surveillance footage confirmed this was all in line

691
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,920
with their theory.

692
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,119
Speaker 2: We could show and prove that he was the one

693
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,840
that moved the body, so we could still get a

694
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
first degree fell and he tampering with evidence which was altered.

695
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,800
A courtse two counts of it, with both of being

696
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,639
a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine or bond each.

697
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: James stuck to his story and claimed he was innocent.

698
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:36,039
He would sit in jail as they continued their investigation.

699
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,639
Then they found Brittany in Crystal's car.

700
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:43,039
Speaker 2: It had been abandoned at a strip club in Houston,

701
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,480
and we found that on April the seventeenth, so we

702
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,480
were able to bring that back. We processed the vehicle

703
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,280
which had his DNA in it, and we knew he

704
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
was never allowed to drive that vehicle. And the bullet

705
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,039
was embedded in the back seat of that vehicle. It

706
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,320
had hit a piece of metal on the frame and

707
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,519
it stopped right there. Also, that bullet had a piece

708
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,239
of synthetic hair on it, which was the same stuff

709
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,599
that Crystal had been wearing in her hair.

710
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:15,599
Speaker 1: And once again they did the autopsy. They connected even

711
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,599
more physical evidence back to James's bedroom.

712
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:24,199
Speaker 2: What's really interesting about that room as well. Is once

713
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,920
we did pull back the sheet and start looking at

714
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:32,599
other items around that room, there was another sheet there

715
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:37,599
that actually matched what was wrapped around Britney's head, and

716
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,639
my forensic guy started running the numbers on it and

717
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,880
found out that that was a match to the sheet.

718
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,159
We actually found not only that, during the autopsy, we

719
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,320
found royal blue fibers in her hair and on her face. Well,

720
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,199
there's also a blanket there with this royal blue. It's

721
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,920
almost like a not a fleece type but a kind

722
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,840
of a loose tight blanket, and it had those same

723
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,960
royal fibers on it.

724
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: With all this new evidence, they could officially charge James

725
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:10,719
with double capital murder, but the question of how and

726
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,239
why still remain. Brittany's murder was so savage. The first

727
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,760
blow to her head broke her neck.

728
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: There was a very clear mark, an indention in her

729
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,039
head where he used a blunt force object and hitter,

730
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,960
and it actually separated the suture in her skull. When

731
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,559
that happened.

732
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,639
Speaker 1: James wasn't giving them anything, no confession, no motive, no

733
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,239
murder weapon, not a single witness, just silence. All they

734
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,559
had was forensic evidence and theories pieces of the story

735
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,960
he refused to tell, but was it enough to finally

736
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,719
put James Cosby back behind bars, this time for life.

737
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,320
Either way, the world would soon learn what happened that morning,

738
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:35,559
even if James never spoke a word. Brittany Cosby and

739
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,079
Crystal Jackson were found brutally murdered and dumped by an

740
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,360
abandoned hotel in Port Bolivar. Detective Kitchens and his team

741
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,840
at the Galveston Police Department had followed the haphazard clues

742
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,440
to nail down Brittany's criminal father, James Cosby, as the culprit,

743
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
but when they brought James in, he didn't crack after

744
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:58,599
five hours of intense interrogation.

745
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,679
Speaker 2: The guy was a she my partner that was helping

746
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,840
me with the interrogation. He'd been in law enforcement for

747
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,039
over forty plus years, and he told me he is

748
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,559
probably one of the most psychotic people he's ever met.

749
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,199
Speaker 10: What would they do to anybody to kill them? In

750
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,559
your room? Your grandma didn't do it, the five year

751
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:18,159
old didn't do.

752
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: It, and you just admitted as you were home.

753
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 10: So the only other person in that house, in your

754
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,639
room is you.

755
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: You know what I would do if it was my daughter. Well,

756
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,199
what do you think of me? You'll probably be called

757
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,519
and called and call. Now I'd be burning the streets

758
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:37,760
of looking for my daughter.

759
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 8: Okay, I understand that my relationship will bring It might

760
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,079
just be a little bit different from yours.

761
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: I would say so, yes.

762
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: But blood, fingerprints and other forensic evidence told them that

763
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,440
he was the one who did it. You see, as

764
00:43:53,480 --> 00:44:00,079
the great doctor house once said liars lie duh. The

765
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,119
only people in the house on the day of the

766
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,440
murder were Crystal's five year old daughters and Aya, and

767
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,639
matriarch annie Lee Cosby. Annie Lee refused to believe that

768
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,760
her grandson James did this under her nose.

769
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: And and even when we told her what we found

770
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,519
in there, she wanted to deny every bit of it.

771
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,519
She wanted to take up for him. She said, that

772
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:26,840
was Britney's menstrol cycle. That's impossible with James in jail.

773
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,880
The case was taken to the State Attorney's office, and

774
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,119
that's when Prosecutor Paul Love became involved. Paul has been

775
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,679
a lawyer for almost twenty years and has worked for

776
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,000
both the prosecution and defense.

777
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,159
Speaker 9: So at the time that this case came about, I

778
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,880
was the chief prosecutor in the two twelfth District Court.

779
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,960
In my bureau chief at the time was Bill Reed,

780
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,719
So Bill Reid was the lead prosecutor on the case,

781
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,199
and because I was the chief prosecutor in that particular court, E.

782
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: Had asked that I sit with.

783
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 9: Him and assist him on prosecuting the capital murder case.

784
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:06,320
So that's kind of how I got tagged in.

785
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,079
Speaker 1: James had a criminal record as long as the Texas shoreline,

786
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,199
and that's pretty long, but it would not be mentioned

787
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:18,559
at trial. Paul had to work with what Detective Kitchens

788
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:21,599
had given him, and though it was a lot, it

789
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:22,880
was only circumstantial.

790
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 9: This is the ultimate piecing a puzzle together. What I

791
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,800
do is I read the entire case and I try

792
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,960
to tap into what is it that I feel when

793
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,159
I first read a case, When I first look at

794
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:43,320
a case, what human emotion comes out of me? Because

795
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,280
that's what I'm going to have to relate to people

796
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,360
in that jury box.

797
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:49,159
Speaker 3: So when I first read this.

798
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 9: Case, it is why why would a father be his

799
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:01,199
daughter and kill his daughter in such a brutal like

800
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,559
There's just no explanation. So I just knew when I

801
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,840
read that it's just like it makes no sense that

802
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,960
you know, people are gonna question, like, how could a

803
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,719
father do that?

804
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,559
Speaker 3: You know, And we don't have to.

805
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 9: Prove motive, you know, as part of our case in

806
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Texas's a criminal case. But still there's a lingering question.

807
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,079
So I knew that that was going to be the

808
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,559
number one question, so because that's what I thought.

809
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,639
Speaker 1: But like Paul said, the prosecution did not have to

810
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,000
prove motive. They just had to cover all their bases.

811
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 9: I am trying to make sure all our circumstantial evidence

812
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:43,159
lines up to show that there is no other person

813
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,599
who could have committed this crime other than James Cosby.

814
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: The defense argued that without motive, a confession, or a witness,

815
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,599
there was reasonable doubt as to James's guilt. James maintained

816
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,920
his innocence, and his lawyers argued that not only was

817
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,440
James the wrong guy, but no one could prove that

818
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:07,039
Crystal and Brittany died at the same time. And it's

819
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,599
true they couldn't. Even though the state's evidence was a

820
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:15,239
messy puzzle. They had put the pieces in place.

821
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,159
Speaker 3: When this case originally occurred.

822
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 9: So you had the FBI working on the case because

823
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,719
they thought it was a hate crime, and so they

824
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,519
used federal resources to kind of assist in the investigation.

825
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,519
Speaker 1: The FBI specialists worked with detective Kitchens to ensure that

826
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:37,719
James's phone followed a strict and narrow path that matched

827
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,039
the surveillance footage.

828
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 9: So what he was able to do is use that

829
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:48,199
the cell phone number and he traced the route from

830
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,840
Houston to Bolivar, and he was also.

831
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: Logging the cell.

832
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:59,079
Speaker 9: Phone towers that were pinging off that number as he's

833
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,000
that route.

834
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: One of the things we also did is after we

835
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,760
got that cell phone report, my partner and I went

836
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,280
at the same time of night and ran that exact

837
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,800
fruit keying into our dispatch entire time. Once we got

838
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,280
to certain points and we were able to get down there,

839
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:23,079
you know, imitate dumping bodies and get back all of

840
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:24,679
the same timeline as what he had.

841
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 9: Is as easy for a defense to say, oh, anybody

842
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,480
could have had his cell phone and driven that route. Well,

843
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:36,960
remember now we're looking at seven am to nine pm

844
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:41,840
time period. So when James Cosby is coming back towards Houston,

845
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,960
he meets up with his girlfriend. She happens to have

846
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:50,360
a crazy ex husband, and he's following them and he

847
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,800
tries to ram the vehicle.

848
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,679
Speaker 3: James Cosby calls nine.

849
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,159
Speaker 9: One to one, so now we have another time locked

850
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,599
in of him making a non one one call with

851
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,599
his cell phone, so it rules out the possibility that

852
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,280
anybody else could have handled his phone during that time period.

853
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: Paul Love says that call was the nail and his

854
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,440
coffin as far as the cell phone forensics go.

855
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,599
Speaker 3: You're listening to this and you're thinking, what are you doing?

856
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 9: You know, you, of all people, just got back from

857
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,239
dumping two bodies and you're gonna call the police.

858
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,199
Speaker 3: From the prosecutor.

859
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 9: Standpoint, I think I'm thinking, thank you. But if you

860
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,519
just kind of step back, you're like, what the hell

861
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:40,559
were you thinking? Like that just makes no sense. You know,

862
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,280
You've just now created more evidence against yourself.

863
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,199
Speaker 1: As slick as James was, there were many things he

864
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,760
did during his cover up that the state just couldn't

865
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,440
wrap their heads around. Like the shutter that lone piece

866
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,599
of shutter, a clear missing piece off Annie Lee his house.

867
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,679
Why did James leave it against the hotel wall fully intact?

868
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,679
Why didn't he just throw it off the ferry into

869
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:11,239
the sea, never to be seen again. Was he trying

870
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,760
to leave a message or something or better yet, why

871
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,599
not dump it wherever he dumped the gun that he

872
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,880
used to kill Crystal or the weapon he used to

873
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,880
break his daughter's neck. He obviously hid those weapons well

874
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,519
because we don't know where they are. But the shutter,

875
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:32,119
this shutter was the key, and James had just left

876
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:35,119
it right there, right for the world to see and

877
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:36,199
the police defined.

878
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: But as far as him leaving it, they're the way

879
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,280
he did that being the only piece it was left

880
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,000
up against the walls. Kind of crazy. I can't wrap

881
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,519
my head around why he would do that unless he

882
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,079
eventually wanted to get caught.

883
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: The trial opened in the summer of twenty sixteen. Paul

884
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,440
Love had poured over every case detail, dedicating his life

885
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,119
to getting justice for Brittany and Crystal. The case had

886
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:04,760
exploded in Hughes, drawing intense media coverage, but Paul kept

887
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,800
his focus. This was for the girls, to make sure

888
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:14,320
their lives hadn't ended in silence. He had to speak

889
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:14,639
for them.

890
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: So you just never know.

891
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,159
Speaker 9: You just never know how a jury's going to receive

892
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:23,039
the evidence and how they're going to receive your presentation

893
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,760
of the case. So there's a lot of pressure as

894
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,440
proud prosecutors that we put on ourselves, but there's a

895
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,760
lot of pressure because you're accountable to family. This case

896
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,039
has garnered a lot of media attention, so the courtroom

897
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,280
is packed nearly every day, so everybody's watching.

898
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: There is never a moment.

899
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 9: When in particularly in a circumstantial evidence case, there is

900
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:48,480
never a moment when you feel as though we got it.

901
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: The prosecution laid out the evidence piece by peace, driving

902
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,719
home the sheer brutality of Brittany's death. Detective Kitchens was unraveling.

903
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:03,639
This was first lead homicide case, and he'd grown close

904
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:07,760
to Krystal's family. He wanted nothing more than to give

905
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,320
them closure. He found himself replaying every moment from the

906
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,000
interrogation room with James, wondering if he'd miss something crucial.

907
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,239
Even today, he still views that interview with more clarity.

908
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,679
Speaker 2: The unique thing about it he is now knowing what

909
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,320
I know now in the experience I have now when

910
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,000
I go back and I watch that video over again.

911
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,360
He was telling me he'd done it, and I just

912
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,719
didn't catch on to it, you know, especially when we

913
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:36,519
started entering in how a father could do that to

914
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:38,880
their daughter, and he says, well, you have a different

915
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,880
relationship with your daughter and I have with mine. And

916
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,440
right there he told me he'd done it, and I

917
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:44,679
never picked up on it.

918
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,159
Speaker 1: After a week of testimony and two hundred and ninety

919
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,000
pieces of evidence, the state rested, the jury returned to deliberation,

920
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:55,840
and stayed there for three hours.

921
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,519
Speaker 9: In that three hours, you're questioning every decision that you've

922
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,559
made throughout the case because you're thinking, maybe if I

923
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:08,400
would ask this question, or maybe if I didn't ask

924
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,159
that question, or maybe if we would have put that

925
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,760
witness song. So going into three hours of deliberation, and

926
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,800
we understand it's a lot of evidence to kind of

927
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,800
soar through, but as prosecutors waiting for the verdict, that's

928
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,440
probably the most difficult time of a trial because you

929
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,599
have no control, all in the hands of twelve people

930
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,400
and now you sit there, sit back and question all

931
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,280
your decisions.

932
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,599
Speaker 1: Then the jury came back guilty.

933
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: Did they say guilty? They say guilty?

934
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:41,559
Speaker 2: They did say guilty.

935
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:47,119
Speaker 9: Okay, now you can finally breathe and like, wow, you

936
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:48,400
know we did it.

937
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,199
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest emotional time for me at

938
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,880
that point was when the verdict was read. Because I

939
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,280
won't lie. I broke down in tears when the verdict

940
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,280
was read. It's very emotional for me, and I knew

941
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,960
we had to get it right. If there's going to

942
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,719
be any justice for these girls, we had to get

943
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,320
to ride.

944
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: James Cosby would be sentenced for the double capital murders

945
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,599
of Brittany in Crystal. He would receive life without parole,

946
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,320
but that question of how and why was still hanging

947
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:21,440
in the air. Paul Love and Detective Kitchens have their theories.

948
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 9: Britney, I'm gonna say, is the head of the household,

949
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,320
and now he's coming back and he wants to be

950
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,320
the head of a household, like he wants to make

951
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,519
the decisions. He doesn't want to share that co leadership

952
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,920
in that house. So I believe that there was some

953
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,320
conflict and egos.

954
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:41,679
Speaker 2: Brittany was pretty well run in the show there at

955
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the house and then here he comes. He's stepping in,

956
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,760
probably wanting to take over, and it just didn't sit

957
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,239
well with either one of them. We know that an

958
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,320
argument broke out between them. You know, she had a

959
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,440
great job. They were going out to eat every night

960
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or in Crystal, they had two bedrooms in the house

961
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that were theirs, one more or less a closet for him,

962
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the other one they slept it. And he's reduced out

963
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eating maloney sandwiches, no job, and having to live in

964
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the den. And I think there was a lot of

965
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jealousy involved, like you said, with the way her life

966
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was going.

967
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Speaker 1: That morning, an unexpected fight started in James's bedroom between

968
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him and Brittany.

969
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,519
Speaker 2: She probably did stand up to it, and I think

970
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:20,320
he just blew a gasket.

971
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Speaker 1: Emasculated by his young daughter. James snapped in an instant,

972
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that same demonic rage his ex wife had feared came

973
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roaring back, only this time it turned on his own

974
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:38,559
flesh and blood. The monster was unleashed.

975
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 9: To me, this was a rage killing because you also

976
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look at how he beat her.

977
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Speaker 3: He didn't just kill her. I mean, he beat her and.

978
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Speaker 2: When Crystal come back in, she saw what was happening,

979
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ran out the side door. He followed with a handgun.

980
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,360
The liftgate was open on the vehicle and he shot

981
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her in the head right behind the vehicle and tossed

982
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her in the back. Crystal just collateral damage is nothing

983
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,400
that he had planned. I don't think he planned on

984
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:05,639
killing Brittany. When Crystal came in and saw it, she

985
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,519
just collateral damage. Had to get rid of her.

986
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: These were all just theories based on the evidence. Detective

987
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,000
Kitchens did some interviews on the case and laid out

988
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,079
his theories, again plain and simple. Then one day years later,

989
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,920
he got a call from a deputy in jail who

990
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,599
was on the same block as James during TV time.

991
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:29,039
Speaker 2: I mentioned this on a TV show that I didn't

992
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:33,199
exact my theory while he was in the jail watching

993
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,719
that show, and a deputy overheard him say, yeah, that's

994
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,280
pretty much what happened, So we nailed it.

995
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,679
Speaker 1: This was a horrific, unnecessary murder. In all the mess,

996
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,280
one family, the Cosby's lost two people, and the Jacksons

997
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,840
were left without a daughter. Zanaiah was left without a mother,

998
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,119
but she gained something unexpected in the grief process.

999
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:01,519
Speaker 2: Now there's a good things that has come out of

1000
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:05,280
this case, and I hate that it took this to

1001
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,519
get it there. But Zanaya is now my goddaughter and

1002
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,280
we spend holidays with the grandparents and her every year.

1003
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,519
Speaker 1: Beyond gaining a god daughter and a lifelong bond with

1004
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:21,480
the Jackson family, Detective Kitchens walked away from that interrogation

1005
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:26,239
with lessons that cut deep. There are lessons he still

1006
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,440
carries with him that'sed into who he is as a detective.

1007
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,159
Speaker 2: The biggest part about it I learned from is keep

1008
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,280
your mouth shut, let him do the talking, and watch,

1009
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,559
you know, watch him, listen to the words that he

1010
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,119
says closely, and don't talk so much. During that interview.

1011
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 1: James Cosby was a man shaped by steel bars and

1012
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:52,320
concrete walls. Years of institutionalization and hallowed him out, leaving

1013
00:57:52,360 --> 00:58:01,280
behind a husk clung to the familiarity and comfort of captivity. Brooks,

1014
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,920
you all saw Shawshankrey even in the free world. At

1015
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,960
Annie Lee's house, he replicated his prison cell in his bedroom.

1016
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,639
This was the only life that he knew. This was

1017
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,960
the only thing that had been taught to him via

1018
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:22,320
our glorious educational system. When James returned to his grandmother's house,

1019
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:28,280
it was not to open arms, but to disgrace, a

1020
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,760
disgrace that he had earned, I might add, a failed

1021
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,760
father with no money, no future, no claim to respect,

1022
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:43,920
and here he is finding his daughter, Brittany thriving. Unlike him,

1023
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,480
she had built a life rich with purpose, and love.

1024
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:53,480
He was unnecessary as both a father and the man

1025
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:57,519
of the house. She had taken his place. Well, James

1026
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:04,639
didn't like that. Brittany everything he never could, Ambition, resilience,

1027
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,199
and a partner who was truly in love with her.

1028
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:12,079
Whatever the fight was and whatever led to her tragic end,

1029
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,639
I'm sure it was something really stupid. We can only

1030
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,320
imagine what it was, though, because the city it won't

1031
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,559
talk this bigot, this hypocritical piece of shit. Maybe it

1032
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:28,719
was Brittany's words, sharp and unrelenting, holding up a mirror

1033
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,280
to James's failures in life, and he just couldn't take it.

1034
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,559
Instead of facing his reflection with remorse, regret, and maybe

1035
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,960
some learnings, he let his fury and jealousy consume him

1036
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,360
like dumb people do. Dumb people never better themselves. They

1037
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,159
never look in the mirror. They just keep believing their

1038
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:55,440
own bullshit. You know, now, Apple's gonna censor me for

1039
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,039
this one, because even though the message is good, the

1040
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,519
words are wrong. That's what I fuck and hate about

1041
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:05,239
censorship anyway, James, real piece of shit? Do we agree?

1042
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,119
Who you are is to find by your actions? And

1043
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,679
in that fateful moment, James unleashed a rage born of

1044
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:16,519
self loathing, a desperate need to silence the voice that

1045
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:21,480
exposed his own inadequacies. It was not Brittany's defiance that

1046
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:25,559
truly killed her, but James's inability to bear the weight

1047
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:30,400
of his own shame. We need more shame. We need

1048
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,639
to stop telling people they're perfect and start shaming bad

1049
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:39,800
behavior again. Perhaps if we had shamed this guy a

1050
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:45,480
little more earlier on, he wouldn't have become this thing now.

1051
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,599
He was just a piece of shit, just an ex

1052
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:52,519
criminal who had been emasculated by his own daughter. The

1053
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,280
devil he carried inside found its way out like it

1054
01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:01,800
always does, and he extinguished the very light that could

1055
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:22,760
have redeemed them once again. Thank you so much for

1056
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,639
being here. If you like this sort of content and

1057
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:28,000
you want to have your heart broken into a million

1058
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:33,199
little pieces, go watch our latest Sword and Scale television episode.

1059
01:01:33,880 --> 01:02:15,199
Kyle Yorlitz. Holy crap, is that a sad one? Stay safe,