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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody back to the Shirly You Can't Be Serious podcast.

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This week we are going track by track through Toto four.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We're also going to give you a freaking

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Speaker 3: The show, definitely, because anybody who can work those words

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that brings us to Toto four. We're gonna

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kind of jump in. If you guys missed the history

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of Toto leading up to Total four, check us out

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what we did last week. We brought you right to

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this point. We covered some of the cool stories behind

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the band, how they got together, hold the line, all

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the stuff that got us to this point. This album

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d came out April eighth, nineteen eighty two. It is

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turning forty years old in April.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is nuts. So can you think of the

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time in like nineteen eighty three where you've gone over

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to Hastings Music or whatever and you're flipping through the

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album covers and all of a sudden you see this

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red sword with rings around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: There was a Peaches Records and Tapes in Tulsa, Oklahoma

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that was my go to right, and yeah, flipping through

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the albums. Thriller was my first cassette tape. Yeah, so

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I think I had this on record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I had the LP on this one

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as well. So the art on the front it's a

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double edged sword with four rings, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So their first album, Toto, also had that double edged sword.

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Album art was by a guy named Philip Garris who

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had done a lot of the Grateful Dead album covers.

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It's supposed to be the sword of Danil Cleaves they're

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holding above his head. Anyway, I don't need to get

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into all that anyway, it's a throwback to that, just

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like they're going back to their old style of recording

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and polished music. They're going back to that first album

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idea of the double edged sword, only this time they've

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got four rings because it's their fourth album, and each

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of the rings is a little more worn, a little

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more rough, and it's time to say, all right, here

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it is, guys, this is one ring to rule them all.

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Speaker 2: Nice. So we talked before about how the record company

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came to them and said, listen, guys, you had one

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really good album, you had two stinkers. This has got

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a hit, or we're dropping you. So we need you,

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guys to concentrate on making something we can freaking play

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on the radio. Let's go. And here is their response.

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And Toto four, released in nineteen eighty two, had some

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of the biggest songs of the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 3: And what's interesting, it's what's going on after this. Right

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as the album has come out, Bobby Kimball is facing

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charges for dealing drugs right like he's looking at potentially

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going to prison. The guys hold off on their tour

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for this album because they've been asked by Michael Jackson

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to perform on the Thriller album.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating and all of.

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Speaker 3: A sudden, these songs start to be released, and they

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are huge successes, and some of them at a complete

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shock to the band.

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Speaker 2: And they're also competing with themself on the chart, right

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because Thriller also came out nineteen eighty two November of

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that year, and so just here's a freaking tsunami.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, biggest album of all time.

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Speaker 2: Arguably, right, Yeah, but these guys.

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Speaker 3: Performed on both of them. And one of the songs

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that we're going to talk about a little bit later

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on has been downloaded one point one billion times. So

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let me just let me put that in perspective. Okay,

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one hundred million times, you'd be like, I'm a complete success. Yeah,

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these guys did that times eleventh incredible downloads didn't even

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exist at the time of this song, I mean downloaded,

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and now it has been downloaded one point one billion times.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that here in just a little bit,

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are we ready to jump in track? Let's up in

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track by track. We're starting off with what Steve Lucather

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calls the Totoist Toto Song of all Toto songs.

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Speaker 3: I gotta jump in immediately. Let me just say this

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to start off, all right, Okay, so David Page wrote

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this first song called Rosanna. There's a story behind it.

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Let's talk about the story real quick.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Steve Paccaro is dating, not seriously, but dating. Yeah,

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this girl you might have heard of called Rosanna Arquette.

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Speaker 3: Who's that girl?

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Speaker 2: I knew her first from Disperately Sinking Susan, But she's

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been in pulp fiction, She's been in the whole nine yards,

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She's been in a million things, and she's gorgeous and

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a Hollywood movie star.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about that girl with all the interface? No,

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that's Jody, that's my wife. That was not her best look,

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but she is a very beautiful lady.

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Speaker 2: That was not her best look.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Rosanna Arquette is sort of dating one of

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the guys. They all are totally enamored of her because

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she's hot, and so at some point David Page is like, Hey,

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that's a great name. I'm gonna put it as the

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chorus to this song that I've been working on, right, right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In writing credits, both he and Jeff Pacaro get writing credits.

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But I think the way David perceives it is Jeff

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was totally involved. And these guys are so great about

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complimenting each other. I mean, they love on each other hard,

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and they've known each other since there were kids, so

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they didn't screw with each other because they'd know what

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was going on, right yep. But he says Jeff really

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was inspiration, like he'd throw them a line and it

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would like balloon up into some other full verse or

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something like that. But when David has written it, he

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comes to Jeff and he's like, listen, what I really

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want on the drums on this one. I mean he's

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talking to Jeff right, the freaking arguably best drummer of

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the eighties, right yes, And he's like, Jeff, what I

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want on the drums on this one is kind of

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a bow didly you know, Louisiana style drumbeat that dunda

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dunda dun dun dun dun dundu. And Jeff is like, Okay, well,

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what do you think about this? And at the point

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that David hears these drums, he's like, Okay, we'll go

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with what you've got.

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Speaker 2: Then it's fantastic. So our buddy James Buckley hit me

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up on this about a month ago. He's like, this

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is the party shuffle, and I don't know anything about drumming.

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I know nothing about drumming, right, so when we dive

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into this, I'm like, oh, okay, So apparently this is

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a very difficult thing to pull off.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the halftime shuffle groove is a drum pattern that

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was originally created by Bernard Party and he called it

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the party shuffle, right. So but what Jeff Pacaro did

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is he took that and he blended that shuffle with

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a John Bottom groove that you can hear on led

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Zeppelin's Fool in the Rain. And then adding in what

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David Page had done, He's got a backbeat sound like

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the drum beat, the Louisiana bo Diddley style drum beat.

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of drumming that is absolutely magical, unmistakable. As soon as

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you hear it, you're ready to start singing.

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Speaker 5: Rosanna, you went to wake up in the morning, see

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you not that?

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Speaker 1: Good luck you you good?

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Speaker 5: Have a cab for me.

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Speaker 2: You're ready to date, Rosanna Arquette. So this song reached

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number two on the charts and it stayed there for

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five weeks. It was bested by two songs at different weeks, right,

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so like one moved out, another one moved in, and

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Rosanna never made it to number one. The ones that

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were at the top of the chart that blocked Rosanna

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from the number one spot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Don't You Want Me by the Human League, Oh well, yeah,

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it's a huge eighties song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then maybe the biggest song of nineteen eighty two

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by The Tiger by.

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Speaker 3: Survivor, Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but a huge success nonetheless. By the way, Rosanna

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was the first song written for this album. Hmm. And

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when they wrote it, they're like, this is a huge

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hit right off the bat, and Luca their said it

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set the bar for the album. Everybody had to bring

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their best stuff because Gosha, this is our first one

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out of the gate. We're onto something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This song is so intricate and so complicated and

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so full of amazing music. And when he starts the

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verse normal songs, you're like, you're gonna play three four

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chords maybe five before you start repeating. So in the

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verse the chords go g F nine E minor seven,

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g C, F E flat D minor seven. It's like

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there's eight chords without ever repeating a pattern. Would it is.

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It's really fascinating what they do kind of in the

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middle of that first verse, and you can hear it

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as the music changes. It like modulates the g F

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nine and E minor seven match up with the F

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Speaker 7: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: It sounds complicated to.

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Speaker 3: Me, okay, and then it comes in with some amazing bit.

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This is like a do woppie kind of I mean,

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we talked about the Louisiana sound and the Bo Diddley style,

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but then they come in with this do Woppi. You

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can see the guys standing around the trash can and

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Rocky snapping their fingers and singing the do WOPSNG got

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this amazing friend of musical styles all within the first

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verse and chorus of the song.

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Speaker 2: Total creates great choruses. They're so hooky that all the

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musical stuff has lost on me. I just know how

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I love how they sing and sound. When they hit

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the chorus right, you can tell that there's a different

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voice almost you're listening to the guy singing and you're like, oh, whoa,

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he just jumped up really high. Well, that's because it's

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two different guys singing, right.

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Speaker 8: Right, Steve Lucather is singing the first part, and then

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Bobby Kimball is coming in and doing that second higher part,

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Speaker 3: Steve and Bobby are all over dubbing with their backing vocals,

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which is given it that barbershop quartet style backs on

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the chorus, which is just amazingly beautiful. But then you've

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got you got horns.

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Speaker 4: They met.

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Speaker 3: Got horns. You've got Okay, So we mentioned in our

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last episode Lenny Casters on this one right, he's doing

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the congos. He is their other drummer, right, brilliant percussionist

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and they involved in all of their albums. But in

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addition to that, they've got Gary Grant, Jeremy Hay and

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Jim Horn on trumpets and saxophones. You know we talk

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about double masking. They did that with the horns, so

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what you get is actually five horns.

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Speaker 2: It's so full, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: And just an incredible song. I could go on and on,

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but I won't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we talk about the video, which is amazing

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in its own right. Yeah, they have an impromptu jam

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session at the end of this song where Jeff Briccarr

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just kind of kept drumming, and so Page jumps in

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with the piano and Lukether follows, and you have this

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kind of funky jam session.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of fun yep, I like it. Yeah,

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it's a total breakdown and it's amazing. This is a

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eighties banger right out of the gate. Okay. Now you

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and I have had long and in depth conversations about

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a very interesting and little known fact about this it.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to go toe to toe on this.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's have it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the deal. Everyone listening in the video, pause

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the podcast, go watch the video, come right back. Okay.

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So in the video, you have this West Side Story

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type of thing going on. Okay, and you've got this dancer,

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beautiful woman, Cynthia Rhodes. Yes, she's been in Dirty Dancing

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and the movie Runaway with Tom Sellick. She was in

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Staying Alive, which Sylvester Saloon saw her in this video

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and hired her from that nice which is kind of cool.

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And she's doing her thing. She's beautiful. She is starting

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to interact with these other dancers, like these rival gangs.

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According to Entertainment Weekly and IMDb and IMDb, one of

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the other dancers is Patrick Swayzey.

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Speaker 3: Nobody puts Bady in the corner, right.

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Speaker 2: But you're not going for it. I'm not going for it,

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even though clearly there's Internet corroboration here.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of Internet corroboration. And I am disagreeing with

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the internets. Okay, I know how easy it is to

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throw some rumor out there and have people jump on

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the bandwagon, because what a juicy piece of information it

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is that the other actor, this actor that I say,

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is not really in there.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I look at it. I'm like, yeah, that's him.

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Clearly it is not him.

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Speaker 3: It is a guy who has a similar haircut and

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a similar eyebrow formation. That's about it. That's about it.

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There's no way that this guy is Patrick swayze.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Twitter World and Facebook world, watch this video.

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Where do you come down? Are you team Swayzey with Jason?

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Are you anti team Swayze with d.

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Speaker 3: I realized that the internets is against me, But if

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you look at this guy's ear lobes, you look at

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his jawline, you look at his lips. It's not Patrick Swayzey,

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I'm sorry. It is a guy that looks like Patrick Swayzee,

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but it's not him.

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Speaker 2: I was really looking for that gold nugget that was

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going to solidify that, and it's elusive.

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Speaker 3: It is elusive. Now, I will say this, The most

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convincing thing that you told me is that Cynthia Rhode

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said something about this. She didn't say it super clearly.

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but she did kind of hint that that was a possibility.

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Speaker 2: She said that she had worked with Patrick Swayze previously

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in a dancing type of situation.

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Speaker 3: Right, which could have been this or could have been

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one hundred thousand other dancing things that are out there.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So Shirley fans tell us which one of

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us is right? Is it Patrick Swayzee? Is it not

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Patrick Swayzee? You decide.

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Speaker 2: We hit our buddy James Buckley about this, and he

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was like, he looks like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you ear lobes, jawline, lips. No, it's all different,

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all right, real quick. Yeah, this song is about Rosanna

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Arquette vaguely right, right. So it's interesting because to hear

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Steve Pakar, the guy who was supposed to be dating her,

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he was like, you know, every one of us liked it.

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Wasn't even acting like he was the man. Right, I'm

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dating Rosanna arquet but I'm not the man. But he was.

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He's very humble about it. He's like, I think we

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all just kind of fell in love with her. She

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denied it for years, right, She denied that she was

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the Rosanna of the Rosanna song until like five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the funny part is that she got tired

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of everybody coming up to her going Rosanne and that

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would get old, right, right, get sick of that. But yeah,

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she then has said yeah, it's her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And what's interesting is she was also the inspiration

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for another song.

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Speaker 2: That song is Peter Gabriel's in your Eyes, Oh my.

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Speaker 5: Head.

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Speaker 2: You still haven't seen say anything.

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Speaker 3: I still haven't seen any but I know that song,

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I know in your Eye.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But what kind of awesome life have you led? That

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You've been in a movie as a look alike for

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Madonna and you have two gigantic hit songs written about.

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Speaker 2: You all right, are we done with Rosanna? I hate

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to be done with this song before we leave. Rosanna

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d this one Record of the Year at the Grammys

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in nineteen eighty three. Of course, Toto four one Album

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of the Year, and just kind of as a side note,

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I thought this was funny. Toto has seven songs on

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their first seven albums that has a woman's name. Oh yeah,

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that's right, Angela, Lorraine, Eleanor Rosanna, Carmen, Leah, and Pamela.

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Speaker 3: So I think that you can kind of tell from

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the lineup of the track listing what songs these guys

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thought were gonna be hits. Because we leave first single

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and we come to another single that they released called

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make Believe.

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Speaker 1: Bottoming.

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Speaker 8: I love again.

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Speaker 2: Dude, this is a great song.

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. I was not super familiar with

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this song when we started doing this, and when this

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thing came on, I was like, I love it. I

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love this song. And this was a single. I was

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like six or seven years old at the time this

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is coming out, so this wasn't probably in my radar

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at the time. But now listening to it now, it's great.

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It's got to me. It's got kind of a Billy

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Vera at this moment feel to it, but a little snappier,

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a little more peppy, and it's just beautiful. But is

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a rollback to that kind of fifties style of rockers.

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Speaker 2: So I was young when this song came out, too.

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I listened to it for the podcast. I was like,

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that was buried in my brain somewhere and I had

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I was with my mom at the grocery store in

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the car or something, and it was like discovering, like

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I've forgotten treasure.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I love it, So I love it when that happens,

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there's a great song. David Page wrote This one reached

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number thirty on the Hot one hundred. It actually was

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featured in Grand Theft, Auto Vice City Stories video game Wow,

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which that blew me away right right. Apparently there's a

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radio station that plays the song while you're doing whatever

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you're doing in that video game.

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Speaker 7: So, okay, how about that.

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Speaker 3: I love it, and I love the whole idea behind it.

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Like they've broken up, things are over, but sure do

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you kind of miss yet? I'm saying I want to

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get back, but maybe we can just pretend that we're

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in love.

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Speaker 2: It's such a guy right, it's like a guys song.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how about tonight.

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Speaker 2: We just kind of forget we broke up? Yeah, just

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for tonight. I love it. It's fun, it's upbeat, it's romantic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Could you see this in an eighties rom com?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure? Yeah? Oh for sure?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it fit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're hidden memory. This is a new treasure

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for me. This is like me listening to Pyromania for

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the first time. I'm like, I'm so glad that I'm

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listening to this. And you know, we talked earlier this

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week about that idea of albums and how it doesn't

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happen anymore. People don't buy albums anymore, right, And the

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idea that back in the eighties or seventies or whatever,

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when you spent your hard earned nine dollars and ninety

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nine cents on an album, if you didn't love it

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right off the bat, you listen to it again, and

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you kept listening to it until you found a way

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to make it a part of your life. Right, Make

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those songs mean something to you. They were like an

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acquired taste, like a fine wine. Sure. That's the great

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thing I love about doing this podcast with you is

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that we get to go back and revisit these things,

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and I can find those things that maybe I didn't

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appreciate at the time and really get to enjoy them.

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Unlike today where if you don't love the song the

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first time you hear it, you don't ever have to

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listen to it again because you didn't spend any money

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on it. That's listened to it on Spotify or Pandora

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or whatever. You hit the skip button and you moved on.

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This is one of those songs that maybe I skipped

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the first time, but now that I've gone to revisit it,

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I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's another reason to subscribe to our podcast. We're leading

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you through each song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, very good. And speaking of that, let

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us jump into number three, another single off the album,

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I Won't Hold You Back. Try not to during this scene.

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I don't want to talk during this song. I don't

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want to let this song keep playing right. It's gorgeous, amazing,

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And again it's another one of those ones that I

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missed because like, okay, maybe Frank here, when I was

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in the backseat of a car with the girl, the

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song that was on the radio was better. Roses by

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Bonjo okay, that was your go to This was the nineties, right,

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that was I was driving in the nineties, right. My

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brother is older than I am, and this song was

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released when was the what was the release date on

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this March of eighty three? March of eighty three, so

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that's three months before he gets his driver's license. When

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we started talking about this one, I'm like, hey, by

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the way, we're going to talk about Toto and Total

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four and Duran Duran And we start talking about it

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and he says, this is what he says to me.

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He goes listening to make Believe right now, very tight,

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but has that overproduced clinicals? And I'm like, okay, fair enough,

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these guys were definitely very produced. And then he says,

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this is a beautiful line. All these songs are panty droppers.

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And in parentheses, he says, thinking about Bell Park now,

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which is the local park where you would if you're

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gonna go make out with a girl and didn't want

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the cops banging on your window, you go over to

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Bell Park. And he says, now, I'm laughing thinking about

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a dude telling a girl you know, I can't hold

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you back. Now, that's a good game.

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Speaker 2: This is a beautiful song.

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Speaker 3: I mean, from the time that he said that, every

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time I hear it, I'm thinking, I can just imagine

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being in the back seat with the girl right now.

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Speaker 2: This reach number one on the Adult Contemporary chart, which

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was Toto's first number one until later on the next year.

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Speaker 3: Right, can't get to that. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that one.

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Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder how many babies were made to

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this song? How baby making music?

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Speaker 2: A lot?

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Speaker 3: So freaking good. So Steve Lucather wrote this song. This

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is the first one that he wrote for this album. Right,

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he wrote and sings yeah, yes, And he's got a

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great voice. I mean, the man is a master of

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the guitar. But this is his beautifully sung song. So

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he's written this song and they're like, dude, Steve, this

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is great. We are gonna put this on the album.

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So so he's got it, and he's got no bridge,

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and they, you know, they call him, they're like, okay, hey,

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come on over. You know we're gonna do that song today.

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We just need to put your bridge in there. And

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he's like, crap, I don't have a bridge, right, And

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so he gets there. He gives himself about three minutes

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at the piano and he's like, Okay, here's the bridge, right,

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And this is what kind of musical genius he is.

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The bridge is not easy. I mean, this is complicated

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chords and it's what goes on underneath his guitar solo.

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So you've got these I mean, listen to the music, hard, beautiful,

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and he totally plays it off like all right, guys,

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here it is. This is what I need you to do. Wow,

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like he'd had it the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that guitar solo it just kind of mirrors

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the tune. And this week I sent you ate one

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of those reaction videos oh yeah, which you know, it's

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kind of funny because you know, these are people are like, hey,

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I'm listening to this song for the first time. Check

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me out. And so I sent you once from the

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Jay Show. I want to give her a shout out.

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She plays about thirty seconds of it, she pauses it,

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she goes, oh Lord, Jesus held me. Okay. She continues

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to play, and all she does the rest of the

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song is cry. It's just I mean, she's not balling,

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but the tears are just flowing. Because if you listen

471
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,200
to song if you've ever been in love and the

472
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,799
love has been unrequited, or you've lost it, something happened

473
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,440
that ended that, and but you still have feelings for

474
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,079
this person. This song will tear your heart in half.

475
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,799
Yes it will, Yes, it will so beautiful. A couple

476
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:30,839
of things for you on this one. Okay, So you

477
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,599
know who does the strings on this one? Tell me

478
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:36,200
James Newton Howard. Oh yeah, okay, right. This was one

479
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,319
of a couple of songs where they went to London,

480
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,240
got the Symphony behind it. That's when you get a

481
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,160
little extra heart tug with the symphony.

482
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:42,599
Speaker 3: Sure.

483
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: You also have Timothy B. Schmidt, who was the basis

484
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,119
for the Eagles yep, singing on the chorus you can

485
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,640
hear in clear as day yep. Steve Perry of Journey

486
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,799
called Steve Lucather and said, I just want you to

487
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,279
know your song got me through a breakup with my girlfriend.

488
00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: Wow.

489
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Pretty cool, right, Yeah, I got one more thing for you.

490
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,079
This song is so beautiful. How in the world are

491
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,480
there nine songs better? Okay? Right, listen to this murderer's

492
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,160
row of nine songs better than this?

493
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

494
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: March seventh, nineteen eighty three, so it tops out at

495
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,920
number ten, Wow, okay, okay. Number nine, Little Red Corvette done.

496
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,960
Number eight, mister Roboto, Sure. Number seven, she blinded me

497
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,480
with science.

498
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

499
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:27,319
Speaker 2: Number six overkill? Wow, number five, der commissar okay. Number four,

500
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,039
come on, Eileen, Oh my god. Number three, let's dance, Yeah,

501
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,039
Number two Jeopardy, oh yeah? And number one beat it.

502
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:36,039
Speaker 3: Of course.

503
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,519
Speaker 2: That is a murderer's row of eighties hits right there.

504
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: It's yeah. I'd listened to that on repeat all day

505
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,519
long for sure. By the way, you mentioned James Newton.

506
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,400
Howard did the orchestral arrangements and was the conductor for

507
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720
this one. Also on this track, another person who did

508
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,200
orchestral arrangements, mister Marty Page, David's dad.

509
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 5: You know.

510
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: Marty Page used to call it David Page Pagage. The

511
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,319
guys in the band thought that was hilarious.

512
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.

513
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,079
Speaker 2: Isn't your last name? Page? All right? Are we done

514
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:02,599
with this one?

515
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,039
Speaker 3: I hate to be done with this beautiful, beautiful song.

516
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,319
Speaker 7: It's fantastic.

517
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: This is going in the this is going in the

518
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,400
Makeout list of eighty three. Absolutely, we need to get

519
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,599
on Spotify and create our makeout list.

520
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:15,039
Speaker 9: We do.

521
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,319
Speaker 3: David Wright's going to do it for us. He's taking

522
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,240
the cue right now.

523
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:23,319
Speaker 2: He's already on Spotify today on Challenge. Okay, now we're

524
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:33,559
moving on to a song called Good for You, another

525
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,680
great piano rocker. It's fun, absolutely this song.

526
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: When I heard this song, I immediately thought I want

527
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,759
to be watching an eighties montage of some kind, like

528
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,160
the montage of the guy, you know, Daniel Larusso's trying

529
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,720
to get the girl something like that. That's the montage

530
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,119
that I need to be, that kind of victorious trumpet

531
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,799
that's behind it. I yeah, I could be good for you.

532
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,519
You could be good for me too. Let's make this

533
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:01,079
thing happen.

534
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 7: This is a fun song.

535
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: This one could have been a single in my opinion.

536
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:14,039
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely yeah, especially in the eighties. I mean yeah yeah.

537
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,720
If I Have the Tiger is a number one song

538
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,799
in this time period, then this absolutely could have been

539
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:21,000
a top ten hit for sure.

540
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,039
Speaker 2: This song was written by Steve Lugetter and Bobby Kimball.

541
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

542
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,559
Speaker 2: I think the vocals are great on this one. I

543
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,440
watched the video and David Page is playing two separate keyboards,

544
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,559
you know, one hand on one one hand, on the

545
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:33,119
other it.

546
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: Just I'm like, wow, screams the eighties, right. So Roger

547
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,880
Lynn did the synthesizer programming on this one. You've got

548
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680
a very we can tell this is synthesizer music, but man,

549
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,160
it's so good. And then we have another Pakaro brother

550
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920
who comes in on this song. Mike Piccaro plays the

551
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680
cello on a song. Okay, yeah, he hadn't become a

552
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,640
part of the band.

553
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,599
Speaker 2: Yet, right. Well, soon as David Hungate checked his head

554
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,720
set against the wall, I can't take this anymore.

555
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,359
Speaker 3: I'm out of here.

556
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:00,799
Speaker 2: They're like, well, I guess Mike Akaro is our new

557
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:01,319
bass player.

558
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,839
Speaker 3: There you go. As we mentioned, Timothy B. Schmidt is

559
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,319
doing backing vocals on this one as well.

560
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,759
Speaker 7: This is after the Eagles broke up.

561
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: He wouldn't do anything right, waiting for hell to freeze over,

562
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:14,599
right right, which it did eventually it did in ninety four.

563
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,279
One of the things on this song at the very end,

564
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,640
there's like a great guitar outro. Yeah, it's like, I

565
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,799
don't know what it is about. There's like an unwritten

566
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,839
rule in the band. They're like, okay, when you want

567
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,160
to fiddle around and go for it. Wait till the

568
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,240
last thirty seconds as we're fading out. Okay, we done

569
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,640
with this one.

570
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 3: Yep. Time to move on.

571
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Moving on to the last song on side one. It's

572
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:57,799
called It's a Feeling. Okay.

573
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: The beginning of this song kind of makes me feel

574
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,599
like a stage musical it happened, okay, and then once

575
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400
they get into it, it's got I'm gonna say, like

576
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,079
an elo kind of feeling about it. It's a more

577
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,799
serious tone song, yeah, and I mean it's about a

578
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,279
guy who's suspicious that somebody's fooling around on him. Right.

579
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,240
It's not my favorite.

580
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,519
Speaker 2: Okay, See this one, I get Miami vice or moonlighting

581
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,720
type of feel. You know, Crockett walking around the city,

582
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:31,720
he got tub shot. He's feeling bad right right right see,

583
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160
or he found his girlfriend cheating or something like that.

584
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,680
This one was sung and written by Steve Mcaro. Yeah,

585
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,559
it's jazzy. I like it, but it's not my favorite

586
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,839
on the album, right, Okay, Moving on, Moving on, it's

587
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,200
dobbing tab Layer Kick it out. Flip it over side

588
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:59,440
two of Total four with a song called Afraid of Love.

589
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,759
Speaker 3: All right. We start off this one with a solid

590
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,079
crunchy guitar. I'm digging it. I don't like the lyrics.

591
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,319
They're flat. It's just there's nothing there. And then the

592
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,240
melody of the chorus. This is going to be a

593
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,160
skip skipper for me.

594
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: No, you're way wrong on this one.

595
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, You're way wrong. This is so The lyrics

596
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,319
in this are so generic. I mean, I like the

597
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,119
way you moved and just the way you are. I

598
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,279
can't take anymore because girl, you're pushing too hard. This

599
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,000
is by Paige and Luca thur. We got guys who

600
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,480
wrote the Kilimanjaro and Serengetti into their song. I'm not

601
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,039
writing something that's like a kid in high school wrote.

602
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I like the music, but allow me to rebut

603
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,119
goo ahead. This would have been the lead single if

604
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,079
this song had been on Turnback or Hydra Yea.

605
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:48,799
Speaker 3: It's because this album sucked, That's.

606
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

607
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: Though.

608
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 2: The reason why this song didn't get released as a

609
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,720
single is because you had Africa and Rosanna and I

610
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,960
Won't Hold You Back all those other ones in front

611
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,720
of it. This could have been a hit.

612
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:00,279
Speaker 4: Sain Goal.

613
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,799
Speaker 2: This should have been on the American Anthem or Vision

614
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Quest soundtrack This is a very eighty song. It sounds

615
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,640
like Journey to me.

616
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, we're we're in disagreement on this one. Okay,

617
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:28,720
all right, we done with this one? Yeah, all right, ready, yes, okay,

618
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,720
groovy piano to start this baby out. Yeah yeah, and

619
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,480
then the verse it's good. Yeah, you hit that chorus

620
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:43,880
and I'm Michael Winner. We have a winner here. This

621
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:49,319
is fantastic chorus. I love the I dig it. I

622
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,920
love this song. This was another surprise for me that

623
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,799
was like, oh, dang, this is good.

624
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: It's good. I think you can tell that they're trying

625
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,720
to write hit songs because every song has kind of

626
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,920
that on cheat upbeat feel to it.

627
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: And this one is familiar. I can't tell where that

628
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,880
chorus is familiar to me, but it's familiar. Whatever it is.

629
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:10,039
Count me in.

630
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

631
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. Great song, great song. And you

632
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,800
know again, maybe this one's also about resent arcade. You

633
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,559
wish you had her.

634
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,559
Speaker 7: It's possible, you should make you cry, shall make you high.

635
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,039
Speaker 3: Okay, we're done with others in the night. Let's move

636
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:47,000
on to the third song on side two. We made it. Okay, Now,

637
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:49,800
this piano intro makes me think of the Muppets, Like

638
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,880
I can imagine them walking down the Saxon Man with this.

639
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,559
But then it comes in with with what maybe one

640
00:34:56,599 --> 00:35:01,880
of the best first lines in all all of music

641
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,880
writing history, are you.

642
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Ready to okay?

643
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:09,599
Speaker 3: Bad time for love? You caught me on your birthday.

644
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,000
I could feel your heart break into one hundred pieces.

645
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:19,079
So he is screwing around with another girl on his

646
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,800
girl's birthday. Oh, set the stage. That is.

647
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,519
Speaker 2: The good news is though we made it, well.

648
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: We can make it again. How about it? I like

649
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:30,440
this one.

650
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: I love that that Luca the guitar screech.

651
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah he's he's working it, yeah he is. And this

652
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,840
is this is not one that was a single, Nope,

653
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,360
but it's this is a good song. It's a good song.

654
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: All these songs are like infectious. There are toe tappers

655
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,719
right well, and once again they're trying to write hits.

656
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we're working our way down the list,

657
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,719
right yep. Well, I think that the songs that they

658
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,599
thought were probably not the best songs they're saving for

659
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:57,440
the last, right.

660
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: This is insane to me.

661
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: So we got second to last song on the whole

662
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:22,440
album called Waiting for Your Love, Don't go However, this

663
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,480
song was actually released as a single.

664
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: This was the fifth single released in June of eighty three.

665
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:31,039
Speaker 3: I don't know who was in charge of that decision,

666
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,519
but you're freaking fired. Okay. Now, I'm sure that there

667
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,719
are a lot of people who love the song. Probably

668
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,440
it's catchy, it's eighties, you know, it's it sounds like

669
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,119
Michael Jackson Off the Wall, which these guys were completely

670
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:45,840
involved with.

671
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you said that, because to my ear,

672
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,280
it's totally Baby Be Mine from Thriller.

673
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, which I think I even described when

674
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,199
we talked about Baby Be Mine, when we talked about Thriller,

675
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,239
I said, I think this one belongs on Off the Wall.

676
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,360
This is not Yeah, this is not a thrill song.

677
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,360
This isn't Off the Wall song. And it's dancy. And

678
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,840
can we talk about the video?

679
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the video.

680
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,039
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that the video existed for this thing.

681
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,480
And all I can say is it's an eighties dance club.

682
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,679
You got eighties hair, you got eighties shoulder pads, you

683
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,199
got eighties dancing going.

684
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,199
Speaker 2: On like line dancing. Yeah, And for some.

685
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: Reason they thought it would be appropriate that the band

686
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,400
be completely covered in their own sweat. What is going

687
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,239
on if the guys all look like they're coked out

688
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,079
of their minds and like that. There it's one hundred

689
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:35,960
degrees inside of the Well Club.

690
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: Every woman in the dance club has no bra on.

691
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,039
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not complaining about that. That is not a

692
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,800
problem for me. But I mean, Bobby Kimble up on stage.

693
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,639
The guy is not a slim, trim guy. He's got

694
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:54,199
the porn stash from the seventies and he and every

695
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:57,840
other member of the band are sweaty on this one. God,

696
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,239
there's Jeff Roat for Cordously.

697
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: I've got those huge, you.

698
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,199
Speaker 3: Know, child molester glasses on.

699
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: You have got to watch this video if you have

700
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:08,519
not seen, Oh.

701
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: My goodness, it is of a little bit of eighties

702
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,760
joy all.

703
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,639
Speaker 2: At the same time, Hey, I gotta give a little

704
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,079
bit of credit to Bobby Kimble because he really goes

705
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,599
for it lyrically on this. This was his song, right,

706
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,000
So Bobby Kimball wrote this song in the seventies, okay,

707
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:24,840
And it sounds like it kind of stayed in the

708
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,000
seventies to me, But I don't know. The video is

709
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:33,239
so good, it's so yeah, atrociously bad. It's marvelous.

710
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 3: It is you will you will enjoy your time watching this,

711
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:38,760
reliving the moments that you're glad you don't have from

712
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480
the eighties anymore. A lot of really great stuff happened

713
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,480
in the eighties, and this video represents not that stuff,

714
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,800
the stuff that was more appropriately left behind.

715
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: All right, are we finally there?

716
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,199
Speaker 3: We could do an entire podcast series on the song

717
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,480
that's about to come up? Are you ready? Shirley fans.

718
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: One of the best songs of the nineteen.

719
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,079
Speaker 3: Eighties, one of the best songs of all.

720
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Time, songs called Africa.

721
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,559
Speaker 3: The beat is undistakeable, it's incredible. So for this song

722
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,280
they had Sony come in and help program the keyboards

723
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,519
that Steve Percaro is playing right, okay, so the marimbas

724
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:31,559
that you hear are that Sony programmed keyboard marimba sound.

725
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,199
Before they even get there, they say, we got to

726
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,599
have this perfect beat. So they record an entire taite

727
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:41,599
of just Jeff Oiicaro and Lenny Castro play in the

728
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,039
drums over and over, same drum beat, over and over

729
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,639
and over and over and over and over. Right, and

730
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,159
once they've done it for a full tape, whatever that

731
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,480
might be. They take one measure. They listen to it

732
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,800
all and they find the one measure that's perfect, and

733
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,440
they put that on.

734
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: Look, that's the one right there, this one right here.

735
00:39:57,639 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 3: This one right here. And now keep in mind this

736
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:04,000
is for computer recording. So when we say on loop,

737
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,519
that means that they took the tape. They took that

738
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,760
one measure, cut the tape out, then put it on

739
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,320
the tape recorder, ran it around a MIC's stand, around

740
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,800
a chair, around another mic stand, and onto the next

741
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,239
part of the recorder, so that the tape would just

742
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,360
rotate in a circle. And that is the way that

743
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,719
you have this perfectly synchronized, incredible drum sound for the

744
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,400
entire song.

745
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: Once they got that loop that they liked, David Page

746
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,519
and Jeff Piccaro laid down the drums and the pianos

747
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,079
one take, one take.

748
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: But they build off of it, you know. They this

749
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,400
is a pyramid song, and it is starting with the drums,

750
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,039
and then we're introducing the keyboards, and then we're introducing

751
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,920
the vocals, and it just builds and builds and builds

752
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,039
into this amazing collection of music.

753
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: Hey boy, let's wait.

754
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: And let's talk about how the song was conceived. Right, Okay,

755
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,559
so David Page wrote this song about Africa. Yes, you'd

756
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,199
never been to Africa, never been there, went years like

757
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,280
I don't think it was like twenty first century before

758
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,519
he ultimately got to go to Africa, right, And they're like, hey,

759
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,519
this is such a wonderful song. When did you come

760
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:42,519
to Africa? And he's like, actually, this is my first time.

761
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,280
How's everybody doing good to see it?

762
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

763
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 2: I mean he went to a Catholic school and he

764
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:51,360
had learned about missionaries, yeah, and had a subscription and

765
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,400
National Geographic.

766
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 3: You guys can remember in the eighties when the UNISEF

767
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,320
commercials would come on and they would tell you these

768
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,880
children in Africa need your help. Right. Well, he talked

769
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,840
about how when he was a kid, those missionaries would

770
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,079
come and talk to it at his school and they

771
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,400
would talk about how they blessed everything, which I don't

772
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,960
really understand. It may be a difference between a Catholic

773
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,039
and Protestant thing. But they would bless food, they would

774
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,800
bless experiences, and when it rained, they would bless the rain.

775
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,599
And that's how you get that line, Oh I bless

776
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,199
the rain down in Africa. But man, it's a fantastic line.

777
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,199
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. It sounds so wonderful.

778
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: Okay. So in addition to this concept of blessing things,

779
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,119
one of the other things that the missionaries talked about

780
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,960
was the difficulties. And obviously difficulties of seeing people in

781
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,000
these deprived conditions was a huge thing. But the other

782
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,159
thing that was difficult for them was being alone and

783
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,440
celibate out there. And so this song is about a

784
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,840
guy who's waiting for a girl to arrive to meet her. Right, yeah,

785
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,480
her plane is coming in right and he's twelve thirty

786
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,199
flightlight ready to meet her. And so that's the underlying

787
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,519
story of the song. And he meets a man to

788
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,920
get some more music, and then the man is like,

789
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,800
it's waiting there for you. And then we jump into

790
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,960
this course and just before the chorus comes on, I

791
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,920
gotta say this. We love this course and it seems simple,

792
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,119
but listen to it this way, all right. The first

793
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,400
line I blessed the grains down in Africa is it's

794
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:26,760
a very simple melody. Right when that second line comes in,

795
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,679
you add a second harmony behind it, different notes, and

796
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,679
you can hear it. You can hear the distinct notes

797
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,760
that the two people are saying the same words different notes.

798
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,039
And then the third we add get a third layer

799
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:43,280
of different notes which are extremely complicated. You go from

800
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,639
simple to complicated over these three lines. And the magic

801
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,280
when you have that two part harmony behind the very

802
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,159
simple underlying chorus and melody is is magical. I mean magical.

803
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: Hey, listen. David Page said God gave this to him.

804
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: We've talked about how there are some songs that are

806
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,079
divinely inspired. Yeah, I think Jonathan Kane on the Journey

807
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,440
Frontier's album Heads Faithfully, he felt like that God gave

808
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,760
that directly to him. Yes, David Page is the same

809
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,880
way God inspired. He says, I'm talented, but I'm not

810
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,800
that talented. God gave this to me. Now, then keep

811
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,800
in mind, particularly after hearing the song Waiting for Your Love,

812
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:25,920
Steve Lucather said, this is the worst song on the album. Yeah,

813
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960
if this is a hit, I'll run naked down Hollywood Boulevard.

814
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: So what they would say to each other whenever they

815
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,280
didn't want a song on the album is they would say,

816
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480
maybe you should save this for your solo. That is

817
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,679
exactly what they said to David Page about this song.

818
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,079
Maybe you should save this for you Steve's solo album. David, Yeah,

819
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:43,239
I cannot believe it.

820
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: It's shocking.

821
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: Talk about not knowing your own stuff.

822
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: Now. Steve Piccaro didn't like this song either. I saw

823
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,199
an interview with him. He said David Page was really

824
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,599
into it, and their agreement was, when you have a song,

825
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,440
we're going one hundred percent for you, because when I

826
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,440
bring a song, I want everybody in on my And

827
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,960
so they said that doesn't mean we didn't kill ourselves

828
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,559
in this song, but nobody believed in it right.

829
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: It's interesting. These guys do not bad talk to each other.

830
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,159
I have never in all of the interviews that I've heard,

831
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,599
I have never heard one of them say one bad

832
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,840
thing about another member of the band. Even if they're

833
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,800
not getting along and they're separated. It is those guys

834
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:23,119
are amazing musicians. And whether it was my song and

835
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:25,360
they didn't like it, they still brought one hundred percent.

836
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:27,159
And if it was their song and I didn't like it,

837
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,199
I still brought one hundred percent. We did our absolute

838
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,639
best on every single song. Like it or hate it.

839
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about Hungry like the Wolf next week. Yeah,

840
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,519
these are some of the best pop songs of the eighties.

841
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: Right, at some point we mentioned that they've delayed touring

842
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,280
and they went and worked on Thriller for this before

843
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,840
they started touring. In this one, right at some point

844
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,760
when they come back. This is kind of like the

845
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,320
run DMC story that we talked about with Walk this Way.

846
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,159
They come back and David Page gets a call and

847
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:57,559
they're like, man, they are playing the heck out of

848
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,679
your song at all of these dance clubs. Thinking Rosanna,

849
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,920
He's thinking make believe you know one of the right,

850
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,280
It's like, what song? And then they're like Africa and

851
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,599
he said really, yeah, he couldn't believe it. And then

852
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,920
Africa gets released as a single and it is their

853
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,159
only number one hit.

854
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,599
Speaker 2: So it's the third single. It's released October of nineteen

855
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:23,119
eighty two. It's their first and only song to hit

856
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,079
number one on the Hot one hundred. Let's talk about

857
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,199
the video for a second, Okay, So the video is

858
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:31,920
sort of Raiders of the Lost arkish. He's looking through

859
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,480
some books, sure in the library, he's wearing that pith hat.

860
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,199
I'm telling you, Raiders the Lost Ark was impactful at

861
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:40,280
this time because hungry, like the wolf of that video

862
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,679
is definitely impacted by ras.

863
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

864
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and then they're all kind of miniaturized. They're

865
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,280
on a stack of books.

866
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said that the stage was really weird. It was. Yeah,

867
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,559
they painted it all to look like they're standing on

868
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,840
top of these books, and it looks like he's looking

869
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,199
for a map or something in the library.

870
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,679
Speaker 2: He's got a torn paper and he's looking through the

871
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:03,800
book and it's like the biggest dog ear, not very mysterious.

872
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,559
Speaker 3: And then you get you've got this African American lady

873
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,599
as the librarian, and then suddenly there's a spear being

874
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,719
from I wouldn't say that this video would not pass

875
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,000
muster at in the day's world, right, I'm just I

876
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,760
don't think it would. So you've got David Page singing,

877
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,199
and then also he's singing the first part, and then

878
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,920
of course Bobby Kimball comes in with the second part,

879
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,119
and can we talk just a second about his freestyling

880
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,400
at the end of the song. Ye, holy cow, it's amazing.

881
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,119
I talked about that build that they have on the chorus,

882
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,920
and then when he throws in that freestyle. Let's listen

883
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:47,639
to it now, I'm stealing your info here. That's okay,

884
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,760
because we talk, we talk, and this is so I'm

885
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,039
gonna steal you. Said that Bobby Kimball has an amazing voice,

886
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,000
but just not all the time, right, And so if

887
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,920
you watch the live show, it's a little cringing. Yeah,

888
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,280
you're like, oh, you're missing you're missing here.

889
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

890
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 3: But when he would hit it was so good. So

891
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,079
these being studio musicians, they knew how to go up,

892
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,360
do it again, do it again, do it again. Ah,

893
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,360
there we go. That's the one. That word, that's the

894
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,119
that word. Yep, that's the one we need. And man,

895
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,159
they wove it together in an amazing tapestry. And to

896
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,800
bring it full circle, I love this. Yes, Joe Pacar,

897
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
the guy who said to David Page, you need to

898
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,599
meet my son Jeff. Yes, he's playing the marimbas in

899
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:30,239
the chorus.

900
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

901
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 3: It is fantastic. So this song was a huge hit,

902
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,119
everyone surprised to everybody in the band.

903
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:37,519
Speaker 7: Yep.

904
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: Lasts for a long time and then, as all any

905
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,360
songs do, it falls out of favor. Now I can

906
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,920
remember with absolute clarity twenty eighteen, that's four years ago, yep.

907
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,679
I walk in to the kitchen. See, my daughter's almost

908
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,199
nineteen now, so she's she would have been fourteen or

909
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,880
fifteen at the time, okay, and she is rocking out

910
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,519
to Africa. Now I've given her are a lot of

911
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,960
good songs, right, you know, I molded her musical education.

912
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,639
As I mentioned, she's a big Metallica fan thanks to me,

913
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Bonjovi fan, thanks to me. But I'd never played Africa

914
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,400
for her. I'm not this huge Toto guy. So when

915
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,480
I walk in the kitchen and she's jamming out to Africa,

916
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,639
I'm like, where have you heard this song? And she's like,

917
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,880
it's just around. It's awesome.

918
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 4: Dad.

919
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:24,039
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it is awesome, but how do you

920
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:28,599
know it? And then I find out somehow this song

921
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,960
is becoming incredibly popular again.

922
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: It's viral.

923
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 7: Yeah.

924
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,199
Speaker 3: And I looked at my old text from like twenty seventeen,

925
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,719
twenty eighteen, and I could talking to my brother about this.

926
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,440
I'm like, how is it this song is becoming big again?

927
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,400
It doesn't make any sense to me. And people try

928
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,760
to say, well, it was the Weezer thing, but that

929
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,039
was after that.

930
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: Was after that. That was in response to its popularity exactly,

931
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,000
and I.

932
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: As deep as I have dug, I cannot figure it out.

933
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,360
Something happened I know was I know it was China.

934
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:05,519
I don't know what happened. But somehow this song hit

935
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:09,760
that tipping point again in the last five years and

936
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,679
suddenly it was everywhere again. I guess I don't get it.

937
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,519
And so there was a fourteen year old girl who

938
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,159
developed the Twitter handle at Weezer Africa. Yes, I love

939
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,960
this story, and her soul mission was to get the

940
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,119
band Weezer to cover the song Africa right. And so

941
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:32,440
she gets so much exposure she becomes viral with this

942
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,440
thing that Weezer to troll.

943
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:42,119
Speaker 2: Her records a version of Rosanna. Know this is hilarious

944
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,039
me too.

945
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,119
Speaker 7: They're like, oh, we got the rock songs so.

946
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,199
Speaker 3: Far, and Rosanna ends up doing very well for them,

947
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,559
and so finally they're like, well, maybe we should record

948
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,480
and sure enough it becomes their biggest hit in like

949
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,039
ten years or something like that. They hadn't had a

950
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,400
hit since the early two thousands, and suddenly their version

951
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,880
of Africa is hitting the charts.

952
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: You know who plays the lead singer in the video.

953
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: Our best friend mister weird al yank such a fantastic video.

954
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,039
So they take the Weezer concept that blue backscreen. Was

955
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,719
it the Sweater song? I think it was the Sweater song?

956
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,119
Speaker 2: Okay?

957
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:32,199
Speaker 3: And so they do they recreate that exact play of

958
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:35,840
the video, except that it's weird Al doing the lead

959
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,960
singing in the song. It's great.

960
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,119
Speaker 2: Hey, there is some sort of sound installation device in

961
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:47,639
the Nambib Namib. I, like David Page, have never been

962
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:53,199
to Africa. So the Nabib Namib desert. Yes, that plays

963
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,639
Africa on loop infinitum, just again and again and again.

964
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:58,440
It is solar powered out there in the middle of

965
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,239
the desert. There's lay in Africa, Toto, who did this?

966
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,679
I don't know, the missionaries apparently.

967
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:10,039
Speaker 3: So all of humanity is going to cease to exist

968
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:14,519
and the recording of Africa will live forever. Yes, yes, great.

969
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:16,800
The aliens when they come will be like, well, I

970
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,800
don't know that the civilization, but they knew what was

971
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,320
good music.

972
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:26,599
Speaker 2: Once again, Steve Lucather thought it was the worst song

973
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,480
on the album, but he did not dance down Hollywood

974
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,519
Bullyvard naked Steve Lugather, the ball is in your court.

975
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:37,079
We expect you naked down Hollywood Boulevard. It's been a

976
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:42,039
huge hit twice in like two different centuries. It's incredible.

977
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,159
It's incredible, one of the best songs of the eighties.

978
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,239
Spike in the Football, it's one of the best.

979
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,559
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Okay, So that does it for the album. We

980
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,199
got to talk about a few things that happened after Yes.

981
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,800
So this whole time, Bobby Kimball has been afraid of

982
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,320
these drug charges that are against him. Ultimately, case gets dismissed.

983
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,119
He was about to go to trial. The defense had

984
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,320
filed the motion to dismiss because what they believed happened

985
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,679
was that he didn't get rid of Miranda rights. Yeah,

986
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,880
and so the judge believed it, and without even the

987
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,639
judge making a decision, the prosecution voluntarily dismissed the case.

988
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,639
He was never convicted of drug traffic.

989
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,679
Speaker 2: So Bobby Kimball's off the drug charges. However, he's not

990
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,519
off the cocaine.

991
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: No.

992
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: In fact, he started to smoke it.

993
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: Yes, that's freebasing.

994
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,559
Speaker 2: Yes, and so it destroyed his voice.

995
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: It's tragic.

996
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:33,679
Speaker 2: So they had to fire him after their biggest album ever.

997
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Ultimately he rejoins the band about twenty years later

998
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,559
and that lasts for another ten years. I think after that,

999
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:41,639
I guess he'd quit hitting a crack bite.

1000
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,039
Speaker 2: Yeah that's good. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, they

1001
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:45,960
did have a couple other hits in the eighties. One

1002
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,159
of them is called I'll Be Over You, big hit

1003
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:48,800
in eighty six.

1004
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: Okay, real quick, I'm gonna tell you a story.

1005
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1006
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,119
Speaker 3: So we mentioned that they are huge musicians on the

1007
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:13,079
Thriller album, right mm hm. And you know that Human

1008
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,480
Nature was a big song on that album, right.

1009
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 2: It's a lily huge hit, huge hit.

1010
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,599
Speaker 3: Human Nature was written by Steve Pacarl. So here's what happened. Wow,

1011
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:25,119
they're already working on the album, right, and Quincy Jones

1012
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,199
is looking for music, and so he says, Hey, David,

1013
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:29,840
I need you to get me a song. So David

1014
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,840
says to Steve, who kind of like almost working for

1015
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,639
him at this point, He's like, hey, I need you

1016
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,800
to record this song onto a tape for me. And

1017
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,599
the tapes are short, they're like, you know, one song

1018
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:41,719
on each side. Okay, I need you to record this

1019
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,519
for me and send it over to Quincy. So Steve

1020
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,800
takes this tape that he had. They had one of

1021
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,800
his own songs on. It was a song that he

1022
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,400
wrote spur of the moment after he had this conversation

1023
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,880
with his daughter, Heather Pecara, who goes on to be

1024
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:58,159
a musician herself. She's a little kid, some kid, some

1025
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,519
boy hits her and she doesn't know what and she

1026
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,079
comes home and he's trying to explain to her that

1027
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,440
the boy probably likes you. This is just human nature,

1028
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,320
this is the way they behave. And then he realizes, hey,

1029
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,320
that's kind of a good human nature, this kind of

1030
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,320
a good song. Runs over the keyboard, records the yy why,

1031
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,639
the human nature, the melody, and the chords of the

1032
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,280
song onto this tape. Okay yep. Then a little later

1033
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,519
David calls and says, hey, I need you to put

1034
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,760
my song on a tape and send it over to

1035
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,519
Quincy Well. The tape that the only tape that he's

1036
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,719
got with him at the moment is the tape that

1037
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:31,760
he's got Human Nature on.

1038
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: Okay wow.

1039
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: So he records it on the other side of that

1040
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,559
sends it to Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones is listening to

1041
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:41,440
David Page's song but lets it keep on playing and

1042
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,239
it's got the automatic flip over on the tape and

1043
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,239
so Quincy hears human Nature and he calls up David,

1044
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,480
and David said, it took me thirty minutes to figure

1045
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,760
out he's not talking about He's like, you know, tell

1046
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,559
me about human nature. This is great. He's like, what

1047
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:00,320
are you what? Yeah, And so he didn't want David's song.

1048
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,119
He picked Steve's song. And Steve's like, Eve Ben mean

1049
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:07,239
for this to happen, Wow, it becomes Michael Jackson's.

1050
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,079
Speaker 2: Human look at their said, he made a small fortune

1051
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:11,159
off of that one song.

1052
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well the screen.

1053
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 2: All right, real quickly, so just touching on one more thing.

1054
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,079
Toto goes off into the sunset. Interestingly enough, they were

1055
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,079
tabbed to do danger Zone for the Top Gun soundtrack.

1056
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: Right.

1057
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,159
Speaker 2: They had actually been asked to participate in Footloose. They

1058
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,000
sent some songs in they weren't selected. The Footloot soundtrack

1059
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,559
goes on to be a huge smash album go Back

1060
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:42,760
where we covered that track by track. So they were

1061
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,199
intent on being included in Top Guy. So they came

1062
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,079
in they said, hey, we want you to do danger

1063
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:49,760
Zone and so they rearranged it. They made it better,

1064
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,400
and the guy said, okay, we really like the lyrics.

1065
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,800
We really like the arrangement, we really like the singing.

1066
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:58,280
But we're going to bring in some studio musicians to

1067
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:01,360
replace you, guys. And they're like, what are you talking about.

1068
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,719
We're the best there is. And so they pulled it

1069
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,960
and they said, Nope, we're out. Otherwise we would have

1070
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,199
Toto instead of Kinney Loggins on Top Guys.

1071
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: Wow, that's awesome.

1072
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,079
Speaker 2: We're gonna cover a top gun hearing about him?

1073
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 4: Unk?

1074
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, a couple more things. Okay, The Beatles were

1075
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,599
a huge influence on all of these guys, right right.

1076
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,079
So Steve tells a story of the time that he

1077
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:24,280
got to meet Paul McCartney. Yes, it's when they're recording Thriller,

1078
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:27,280
and of course Paul McCartney the Girl is Mine with

1079
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,800
Michael Jackson, which you don't care for the dog gun garly.

1080
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,599
So they're there and he's got his whole entourage and

1081
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,800
it's this big production while they're doing their recording or whatever,

1082
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,639
and Steve says, what happens, He's not even recording with

1083
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:43,440
them at this point. Jeff is the one drumming, and

1084
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,960
Steve and David they're the ones involved, not Steve. Steve

1085
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,480
Lucather and David Page, the ones, not Steve Pacarr, right,

1086
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,679
but Steve Pacaro is there when this happens. He gets

1087
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,960
to see him, and then he leaves with his entourage.

1088
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:58,679
They're taking down their equipment, and suddenly Paul McCartney walks

1089
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:03,599
back in by himself, snuck away from the paparazzi or

1090
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,719
what have you, and he's like, I just wanted to

1091
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,199
come back and talk to you guys for a little while.

1092
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:08,960
And so he just sat down and hung with the

1093
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,000
band for like ten minutes. And so Steve is just,

1094
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:15,400
you know, staring in awe at his idol, just sitting

1095
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,679
across the couch room him.

1096
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: That is awesome.

1097
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. Okay. So we know that Bobby Kimball

1098
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440
lost his position with the band because of some cocaine use,

1099
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,239
and we know from our research that all of these

1100
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,400
guys were pretty heavily into cocaine. And even if you

1101
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,199
didn't know, if you go back and watch any of

1102
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:36,800
those videos, there is no question that these guys were

1103
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,000
ha ha.

1104
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,639
Speaker 2: Listen, it was the eighties, it was the early eighties,

1105
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,320
and everybody was rolling around in the white powder.

1106
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,159
Speaker 3: It was it was a thing. It's a thing to do.

1107
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:54,079
But interestingly, later on, Jeff Pacarro passes away under kind

1108
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:58,119
of unusual circumstances, and what the medical examiner says is

1109
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:00,000
that it is caused by his cocaine.

1110
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,039
Speaker 2: He was fertilizing his lawn at the time. Steve Lucather said,

1111
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,159
there's no way his cocaine news, so it had to

1112
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:08,039
be that pesticide.

1113
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. He said that the amount that they found was

1114
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:15,239
like so ridiculously small that there's no way a guy

1115
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:16,960
who had done as many drugs as he did in

1116
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,480
the eighties would suddenly that that would cause him to

1117
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:20,719
have a heart attack and die.

1118
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1119
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,519
Speaker 3: Lucather thinks he probably smoked either a cigarette or a

1120
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,559
jay while he had the pesticide on his hands, therefore

1121
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:31,559
sucking it into his lungs and causing the death. I

1122
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:35,280
don't know if it's doctor Lucather or not, but I

1123
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,159
can also say that there are medical examiners out there

1124
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:39,960
who saw the spotlight for things too.

1125
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:42,639
Speaker 2: So he was a heavy smoker, Yeah, he was a

1126
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:46,239
cocaine user. Yeah, and he was squirting his lawn with poison.

1127
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:46,719
Speaker 5: Yes.

1128
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,719
Speaker 2: Sadly, we lost Jeff Piicarl, one of the best drummers

1129
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:51,119
of all time at age thirty eight.

1130
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,639
Speaker 3: Of course, this was a shock to everybody. There was

1131
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:57,079
a memorial concert that took place at the Universal Amphitheater

1132
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,800
on December fourteenth, ninety two, that just ro after he died,

1133
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:06,079
had George Harrison, Boz Gaggs, Donald Fagan, Don Henley, Michael McDonald,

1134
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:09,000
David Crosby and Eddie Van Halen and the members of

1135
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,880
Toto singing a memorial concert for a.

1136
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,079
Speaker 2: Lot of those guys we've talked about through this two

1137
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:13,960
part are on Toto.

1138
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:17,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Richard Marx. You know, we mentioned that Steve

1139
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:20,920
Lucather played the outro off of the Lionel Richie's album,

1140
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,280
and Richard Marx was one of the guys who sang

1141
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,599
backup for Lionel Richie back before he was a big man. Well,

1142
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:30,440
he dedicated the song One Man to Jeff and said

1143
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,159
Paccaro was the best drummer he had ever worked with.

1144
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,880
Michael Jackson made a dedication to Pacaro in the liner

1145
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Notes of History from ninety five. He was just a

1146
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,400
very well loved and very well respected guy.

1147
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,159
Speaker 2: You know, it just hit me, h you mentioning that story.

1148
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:48,639
The guys in Toto played on Richard Mark's debut album

1149
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,679
has all those huge hits you know, don't mean nothing

1150
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,360
in the summer nights, hold On to the Knights, just

1151
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,480
a huge album. Toto played all over that. Richard Marx

1152
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,880
married Cynthia Rhodes, the star of the Rosanna.

1153
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.

1154
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: The song right here waiting was writting was written about her.

1155
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: That's fantastic. That's fantastic. So Jeff Pucar's tomb stone inscribed

1156
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:15,000
with lyrics from a song on Kingdom of Desire. Our

1157
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:18,239
love doesn't end here, It lives forever on the wings

1158
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:29,119
of time. Okay, everybody that does it. For this episode,

1159
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,519
we are comparing two Mammoth albums from nineteen eighty two,

1160
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,920
Toto's four which we just covered, and coming up next.

1161
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: We have Deran Durand's Rio album. Huge album, packed with heads.

1162
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:50,800
Her name is Rio and she dances in the send.

1163
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,960
That's awesome, man, I can't wait to dive into that one.

1164
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,079
It's gonna be so much fun. Dran Duran huge, powerful

1165
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,079
force on the wings of MTV.

1166
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:02,719
Speaker 3: Early if you were listening to music and eighty two

1167
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,400
and eighty three, these songs were in your ears every

1168
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:07,360
single week and.

1169
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,719
Speaker 2: On your TV. Yeah, come back here next week where

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we dive into the history of Duran Duran followed by

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Rio track by track, and we.

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Speaker 3: All have a special guest for that episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Melissa Mingles. She's a good friend of ours,

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friend of the show, big Duran.

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Speaker 3: Duran fan, super fan if you will.

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Speaker 2: If she had not married her husband Mark Simon Levaughn,

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it was next in line.

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Speaker 3: I think that's awesome. Okay, before we head out, we

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need to do our shirly showcase. This time we have

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a special fan of ours from Facebook who has interacted

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with us a bunch. He is weighing in on this

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matchup of Toto four versus Duran Duran Rio. Let's hear

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what he has to say.

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Speaker 2: This is our buddy, James Stiegel, friend of the show,

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friend on Facebook.

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Speaker 9: Hey, how you doing this? Is James Darling, Thanks for

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sending me a message. Chime in with some thoughts on

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Total four versus Rio.

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Speaker 3: Just one of us.

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Speaker 9: Between the album and the album, those boats came out,

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you know when I was in ten years eleven years

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old and fifth grade back in eighty two.

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Speaker 3: Between each and one of them, they're.

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Speaker 9: Both class six, they're both eighties Class six, both packed

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with some hiss. You know, Total four it has that

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album of the year distinction, which you know, some people

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say make it, may make it better. But at the

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same time, Duran, Duran and Rio, that whole MTV thing

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with the early eighties and new wave new romantic, I

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think that also carries it over to as well. You know,

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it was with Total four you got Rosanna and Africa,

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and you know two other top forty ars Hungry Locked

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the Wolf, plus Rio, the title track, Mother Songs, plus

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the MVP of that whole album save a Prayer, which

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is pretty much a lot of Duran fans' personal favorite.

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So if I had to really pick and choose between

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you two, it's a tough choice. But I guess the

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early eighties MTV fanatic with me and all those albums combined,

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I probably would just go ahead and go pick the

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Duran Duran first play it. Then of course I played

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Total for it next after it too, obviously, find choices

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other than that great be asked about some opinions about

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two good albums. I love the podcast, love to Show,

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love the page and everything, and love contributing. Other than that,

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talk at you later least one.

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Speaker 2: All right, James, thanks man, that's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, solid opinion. I can't fault you. I mean it is.

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It's hard to pick between these two, and certainly one

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is probably going to be slipping into the CD player

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right after the other one in my rotation as well.

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Speaker 2: That's right, We're going to cover Duran Duran next week.

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Obviously that's his favorite, but he likes Toto four as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think next week we're going to have

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a surely showcase with our old friend def Dave, who's

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going to give his opinion on these two albums.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't wait to hear what he has to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then tune in for the very end where

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we give you our final judgment as to which of

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these two amazing albums holds the top spot.

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Speaker 2: See you back here next week.