WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:13.919 Special Operations, Cobert Espionage. The Team House with your hosts 2 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:17.600 Jack Murphy and David Park. 3 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.320 Welcome to episode three hundred and fifty three of The 4 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:27.559 Team House. I'm Jack here with Dave and our guest 5 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:31.760 on tonight's show is Jack McFarland. Jack spent thirty two 6 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:35.159 years with the Drug Enforcement Agency, working his way up 7 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:39.240 through the ranks with assignments in the Caribbean Division, working 8 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:45.399 a lot in Philadelphia instructor positions and Quantico, worked undercover operations, 9 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:51.240 gotten in numerous gunfights, all kinds of interesting interagency operations 10 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.799 that he conducted or was a part of, and even 11 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.119 managed to get himself an internal affairs investigation because of 12 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:00.479 a TSAA drink. 13 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:01.640 That came a hard time. 14 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.439 So there's plenty to talk about here today, and Jack, 15 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.120 thank you for joining us on the show. 16 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.680 Gentlemen, Jack and Dave, thank you very much for having me. 17 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:10.319 Appreciate it. 18 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.200 So, you know, the mandatory first question we asked about 19 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:17.400 the guest's origin story, If you tell us a bit 20 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.760 about like kind of your upbringing, how you grew up, 21 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.760 and how that eventually took you towards law enforcement. 22 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.439 Sure, I was born and raised just north of Allentown, 23 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:31.760 Pennsylvania Coal Regions Cole Cracker And basically I got into 24 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.480 teaching and football coaching when I came out of college, 25 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.359 and then I wanted to get into federal law enforcement. 26 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:40.799 God applied to the FBI. I applied to the DEA 27 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:42.120 and believed or not. 28 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.439 Back in nineteen eighty seven on a ring was president 29 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.920 DA came a call, and so I chose I got 30 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:49.640 into a DEA and I never looked back. 31 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.359 After thirty two years. 32 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.159 And I mean nineteen eighty seven, what was the DEA 33 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:57.959 up to at that time? Like what was it sort 34 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.040 of like going through your training and I imagine and 35 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.079 some of your instructors were probably Vietnam veterans during that time. 36 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.760 We had a remember now DEA came on board in 37 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.400 the July one and nineteen seventy nine, and so we 38 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:11.560 have probably only had that particular time at about twenty 39 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:16.319 five hundred special agents. Now since around the late nineties 40 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.560 we were up at wards around that fifty five hundred 41 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:22.759 mark or worldwide personnel. So most of the instructing we 42 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.439 were not as lengthy. The academy was not as lengthy 43 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.879 academy these days, I think since the nineties have been 44 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.120 like seventeen weeks. We were more like I think fourteen 45 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:34.479 weeks trained. Well, no one's trains are better than Uncle Sam. 46 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:36.719 You two guys, I'm sure you know that you've been 47 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.599 part of it, and they don't. They don't mind spending 48 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:41.560 the money on training, and that's what they did for 49 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.639 us and I do. I do have to say probably 50 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:48.840 the one of the rigorous, most rigorous I've been through. 51 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:51.400 I've been to college football camps in high school football camps, 52 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:54.759 and DEA came after us absolutely. 53 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:54.879 To train us. 54 00:02:55.039 --> 00:03:01.280 I remember, like you know, in the nineties, uh, the 55 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.120 DEA was looked at like as sort of the I 56 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.319 don't want to say cowboys as in wild but but 57 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.000 they were the guys who like went out in dishit 58 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.439 like compared to other federal agencies. And weren't they the 59 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.159 last federal agency law enforcement that like didn't require a 60 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:17.960 college degree? 61 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:20.960 Or is that not true? Like I'm trying to remember, no, 62 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.120 no DA for your degree? 63 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.199 They always okay, masters agreed better if you have it, okay, 64 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.719 because we'll that'll do for you. Dave, does that will 65 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.560 allow you to come back then either be a GS 66 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.599 seven like me coming on board as DS seven or 67 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:38.159 GS nine coming on board if you had that master's 68 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:42.639 or jd degree. Okay, so unlike the Bureau, they were 69 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.520 elevens coming on board, I see. 70 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.319 And was the Caribbean Division your first assignment, no believe 71 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:50.639 it or not. 72 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.520 At the academy, when you go through Quantico, you get 73 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.400 hired on. You go through Quantico and you get fourteen 74 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.599 weeks of training and any your assignment. And my assignment 75 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:03.560 was the Philadelphia Field Divisional office. But I hired through 76 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.680 the Allentown resident office that was closest to my house 77 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:09.479 where I grew up, so I went there when I 78 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:13.719 came out of Quantico. Successfully, they ended up sending you 79 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.000 back to your office of hires called So when I 80 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.160 went back to my office of hire, which was Allentown, 81 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:20.279 it was a small office, you know, you work a 82 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.560 lot with the different estate, the local guys, and I 83 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.040 spent about a year there. But my knowing that I 84 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.800 was supposed to go to Philadelphia as my assignment out 85 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.120 of the academy. So after one year was finally okay, 86 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.439 got to go to Philadelphia. And that's when I went 87 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.040 to the Philadelphia Division. I entered into Group three and 88 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.800 Jack back then Group three different in Philadelphia. We had 89 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.759 a number of fourth groups and each group had different designees. 90 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:51.319 Like we were basically coke. Remember this word crack cocaine 91 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.000 and marijuana. Well, we went after crack cocaine in a 92 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.319 heavy way in Philadelphia in the late eighties. 93 00:04:57.920 --> 00:04:59.600 And that was the height. That's the height of it. 94 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.319 Other groups had a heroin meth and different groups of 95 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.399 different other design needs. So the Philadelphia, Allentown in the 96 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.000 Philly and I did eight years in Philadelphia. Loved every 97 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.720 minute of them. I got my grades in Philadelphia. I 98 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.319 met some great people. My my partner, Frank, who I 99 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.600 won't you know, he's just an amazing guy. 100 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.000 He was a former New York cop. 101 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.439 New York City Copper detective, and he taught me the ropes. 102 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:25.120 He taught me the ropes and as well as an 103 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.000 older gentleman named Bill God rest his soul, he passed away. 104 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:31.199 But I am sixty two, so it's you know, I 105 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.519 remember when I was twenty four and these guys were 106 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:33.959 thirty eight. 107 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:34.600 I thought, oh my. 108 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.560 God, to work with these old guys, you know, what 109 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.759 are they gonna what are you gonna teach me? 110 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.079 You know? So it was quite It was quite interesting. 111 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:41.879 It's quite interesting. 112 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.759 And when you were in Allentown and Philadelphia, that was 113 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.399 when you got into a couple of shootouts. 114 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.040 Right, yeah, I've I've been. I got up in Allentown 115 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:49.680 and Allentown. 116 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.560 Kind of, I won't say funny when any time it's 117 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.480 a browned weapons are discharged, it's not really funny. But 118 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.279 you know, Jack and Dave, we were in this parking lot. 119 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.639 It was a it was a Pennsylvania State Police case, 120 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.879 and the trooper did something he shouldn't have done and 121 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.800 he went from being an undercover to basically being an 122 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.879 interesting agent. Well, the bad guy didn't think it was funny, 123 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:13.680 so he takes off and the guy there's a trooper 124 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.959 hanging on the car. He let's a round go forty 125 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.720 five into his thigh, with a forty five blue blue 126 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.480 to guy's thigh out. Well, myself another trooper in an 127 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.560 old money carl You know those Detroit muscles, money Carlo, 128 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:26.959 We come those to those with this pick of this 129 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.480 sport utility. Well there's the funny part here. 130 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.759 I am a twenty four year old snot nos. 131 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.279 I go to kick my door like Miami Vice to 132 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:36.199 get out of the car. 133 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:38.160 Well, you know those doors and those old. 134 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.519 Money carlos being sprung back and hit me and sit 135 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:41.920 me across the freaking. 136 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.680 Car looking at me. Go, what what the hell you're doing? 137 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:45.439 Get out of the car. 138 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.079 So guy said, the door knocking. The door knocked me over. 139 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:50.720 So I had to get out of the car. My 140 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.759 tell between my legs, and I infected, you know, he 141 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:55.759 cleared the car, infected the arrest in the bag guy, 142 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:57.480 he coughed him and I said, this guy's. 143 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.879 Bleeding and he was pulling blood and he was bleeding. 144 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:00.759 So he was shot. 145 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:05.319 Yep, tour was okay, though he was okay. 146 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.199 And then there's another one in Philly with the Jamaicans. 147 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.600 The Philly one was quite interest me. Now it's a 148 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:12.639 little more extensive viout. 149 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.560 In Philly, we were we were covering a confidential informat 150 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.560 a confidential source going in and we were doing a 151 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.360 marijuana case that was part of our responsibilities as marri 152 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.360 uh positive responsibilities of group threes. And uh So he 153 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:31.519 goes inside and they undercover made the confidential informant and 154 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.199 the two bad guys get in an argument on the 155 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.240 front lawn. Well, they all pulled freaking weapons and they 156 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.959 started shooting at each other. Thank God that one one, 157 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.759 you know this, I'm glad to see us wasn't shot. 158 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:45.600 I remember the guy was. He was a funny guy, 159 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:47.480 played Jamaican do and he wasn't my guy who was 160 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.680 on the cover. Guys whatever, And so we and a 161 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.040 couple of rounds went down range and he hit one 162 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:54.560 of one of our guys hit one of the guys, 163 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:55.759 and they get into a van. 164 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.120 So now there's a vehicle. 165 00:07:58.240 --> 00:07:59.839 We don't like to say the word pursuit, but there's 166 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:02.839 a there's a vehicle follow and aggressive vehicle follows. 167 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:03.920 We're following this van. 168 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.079 We're going through the streets of Philadelphia, Northeast Philadelphia, and 169 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:08.680 we know where they're going. We're gonna try to get 170 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.120 on nine ninety five, so we gotta get on nine 171 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.319 ninety five. They're heading southbound, so we called our base operator, 172 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.319 and our base operator basically says they'll get the highway 173 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.279 fill off. How we patrol unit in and they bring 174 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.279 them a unit in and Dave and Jack one of 175 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:25.480 the most impressive things I've ever seen. We're traveling southbound 176 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:29.639 on a five lane highway. We see these blue and 177 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.519 red lights coming behind us, and blue and red lights 178 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.080 coming at us, and that was there was like about 179 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.879 three Asian cars we were following. They were they so 180 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:44.600 smoothly got the traffic cleared and they pinned in the van. 181 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.440 And these highway guys now highway coppers in Philadelphia, boots, 182 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.840 castapo belts, scrunch hats. You don't mess the highway boys 183 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.480 because they have h's on their cars, you know their 184 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.360 highway They come out with shotguns. They don't come out 185 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.120 with the handguns. They came out with shotguns. I didn't 186 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.799 know what to do, man. They just pined their hands 187 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:06.759 against the freaking Winch shield, dragged them out. 188 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:08.840 They go to clear the vehicle name and and one 189 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.759 of remember one of the how we guys saying bomb 190 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.799 bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb, Like what the what the 191 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:15.399 what the what? 192 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.320 So they had to shut it down, bring a bomb 193 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:23.799 squad in and what it was was it was dynamite attached, 194 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.759 but it was there was no there was no Nation device. 195 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:28.639 And I don't know what the guy was trying to do, 196 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.559 scared to care somebody or whatever. But one was shot, 197 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.279 the other guy was taking. Two were taken into custody 198 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:37.879 and h typical, you know, we had to answer questions 199 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.240 and I'm here and I have another young guy to go. 200 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:41.240 What the hell do I get myself? 201 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.159 Is it normal to let the confidential informant carry a 202 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:46.720 weapon or did they have to? 203 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.440 Because it's we said the same thing to the controlling 204 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:55.039 agent because he was in this house, so we were 205 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.480 not inside the location and they came out, so we 206 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.799 did not search the house for any weapons that the 207 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.200 car on the floor may so you see my plight, 208 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.440 but he was out of the house, but he sticks 209 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.399 it in his pants, so he had under the table 210 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:10.559 and he's like, I know these guys, these guys. 211 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:12.080 Are gonna come and try to They're gonna try to 212 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:12.559 muscle me. 213 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.879 And guess what, He's like, I'm not getting killed in 214 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.039 my own house here, So that's what we're like, you 215 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:19.519 can't do it. 216 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.120 He was blackballed after that though. He was gone. Yeahne 217 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.360 was finished. Guy. 218 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.120 Was what was this about the time that you also 219 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.080 got you got stuck up and ripped off? 220 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:31.000 Uh? 221 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:31.519 That was? 222 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:32.039 That was? 223 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:34.879 This is a great one too. This was when I 224 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:36.759 was working undercover. 225 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.120 I was working with a college professor one of our 226 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:45.960 offices out in the Western Port West, just western Philadelphia office. 227 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.879 I'm gonna go with West Virginia, okay, and he was 228 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:53.240 a college professor and a chemist. But he knew a 229 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.919 guy from Philadelphia who was dealing in bulk. He was 230 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.759 dealing in kilos. So we had our office in West 231 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:03.600 Virginia said, we can't do any out On's Virginia with 232 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.879 this guy. It's in Philadelphia's the stores. Let's hand it 233 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.120 off to Philly. So he hands it off to Philly. 234 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.159 Group three being cocaine, hands off to me, hands off 235 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.440 to the group three. Our boss named Rick says, Jack, 236 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:19.120 you're up. You want to take this one? I said, sure, okay, great. 237 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.080 So we meet, we do our thing, you know, we 238 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.600 get a cover story together. I'm a graduates doing at 239 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.559 the University of ten in the city and this guy's 240 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.279 you know, he's a college you know, teaching chemistry and 241 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:31.759 all that stuff. 242 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:32.159 Whatever. 243 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:38.799 So what happens is we meet first, no problem, We're 244 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.159 going to do a kilo of cocaine, twenty five thousand 245 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:42.480 bucks North Philadelphia. 246 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.159 I remember Street, so Throt and all of you I 247 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:44.679 still remember. 248 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.039 So we ended up doing okay, twenty five we. 249 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.639 Agreed upon, no problem. 250 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:51.960 A couple of days go by, we put another control, 251 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:53.480 you know, another call into the guy. 252 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.879 Are you ready, I'm ready. Okay, We're ready. 253 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.960 So we have about fifteen agents on the street, very 254 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:04.600 tight locations in the Philadelphia North Philadelphia. This dude was 255 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:07.559 believed or not a one of the last pulldouts of 256 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.000 uh white guy. I mean most of it was all 257 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:18.039 Jamaican or Patricans, you name it, but not white. He 258 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.159 didn't want to move, but he knew all the players 259 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.200 up there. So we ended up having a situation where 260 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:29.080 we roll in back back in the day. We learned 261 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:32.080 a lot of lessons about this. Don't bring the money, 262 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.399 but we brought the money in the trunk of the 263 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.279 car because all the money was gonna be was going 264 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.399 to be a showing a side of good faith. Yeah, 265 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.000 I got the I got the money. Go get your dope. 266 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:46.559 Now where's the dope? Where's the kilob Well he comes 267 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.759 out of the house, I meet, We meet in the 268 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:51.480 middle of the street. He goes, give me, give me 269 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:53.200 a couple of minutes. I gotta go and get it. 270 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:55.600 Like where you're going, He goes, I'm just gonna walk 271 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:57.879 around the block. I gotta go get it, like okay. 272 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.840 So we sat there, idioed up said he's going to 273 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.000 be on foot. He's going to get the package. So 274 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:06.600 we had a team of surveillance team follow him. We 275 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:08.559 got the location where it came out, and we went back, 276 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.519 of course later onto the source one location. He goes 277 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:12.559 back in the brown paper bag. 278 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:14.759 Have you go, Lucky? Up the street, he goes into 279 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:15.159 the house. 280 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:17.240 He goes into the house and he comes back out 281 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:18.720 of the house and I tell the ces to shit 282 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.799 in the car. So I go to the trunk of 283 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.519 the car. When I pull the trunk of the car, 284 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.159 this guy meets me across the street and he's and 285 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.799 he's carrying a brown paper bag. So I said, you 286 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.039 got it? He's yeah, here and he shows me. As 287 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.600 I show, he goes, now there's where's the money? And 288 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.120 I'm going to reach for the money in the trunk. 289 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.159 That's when I oh, I feel the thirty eight snubnolls 290 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.559 going on my ribs. He goes, he goes, not today, bro, 291 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.840 give me your fucking money. Excuse me my mouth, give. 292 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.879 Me your give me your money. I'm like, what do 293 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:46.200 I do? 294 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.000 Jack and Dave, we're trained. Training takes over. I believe 295 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.200 in training. I love training. Repetition, repetition, repetition, bam. My 296 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.600 hands went up so fast. Dangerous signal. Dangerous signal. Well, 297 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.360 let me tell you something. You want to see fifteen 298 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:02.320 federal agent flying down a street. 299 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:03.120 I'm talking. 300 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.960 They rolled in there so fast that guy didn't. 301 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:06.399 Have a chance. 302 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.279 He's here. Here's the cars coming in. He sees guys 303 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:12.639 feet coming down down the concrete pavement. 304 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:14.720 He sees it. He tries to make it for bee 305 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:15.320 line for the house. 306 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.759 Well, in Philadelphia, just like maybe in Brooklyn and the 307 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:19.799 Bronx or whatever, you only have some side. 308 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:21.440 You have stairs to get inside the house. 309 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.480 Well, he tries to get in the house, and our 310 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.679 boys cleaned his clock, the clock. They cleaned his clock. 311 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.480 Man puffed him up. And here's the funny part. When 312 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.879 my boss came, grabbed me, got me in the car, 313 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.120 took me off the location, off the set. The guys 314 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.840 who were arresting him. It was the end of August 315 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.279 of ninety one or ninety two. Jack and Dave and 316 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:48.919 the and the Eagles were were, uh there were I 317 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.279 guess William was calling if you're playing the Dolphins in 318 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.200 preseason And he says to the guys, the resting agents, well, 319 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:57.960 I guess I'm not gonna be able to see the 320 00:14:57.960 --> 00:14:59.120 egos game tonight. 321 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:03.559 You're going to see you're looking. 322 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.080 At fifteen years, been one right now and two and 323 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.360 then I turned out one killer turned into two kilos. 324 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.000 So he was going to ten years right there, it's 325 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.440 over five years I ended up getting. You got to 326 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.320 get the guy credit. He ate the charge. He didn't, 327 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.159 he didn't cooperate, and he got he was like ten 328 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.120 ten fifteen years ago. Well you think he didn't get 329 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:23.799 five for prowing a weapon on me? And I thought 330 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.679 to myself, you know, I'm twenty five years old. Now 331 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.720 I'm thinking, is this the right thing? I should be 332 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.879 on the practice field coaching safety and receivers. Right. 333 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:35.559 So it wasn't good, but I was I was I 334 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.679 was fine. I was fine. 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We 368 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.440 had an operation against a couple of Colombians in the 369 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:37.960 city and we were utilizing and in the cups from 370 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:43.359 customs named Julio, great guy, great customs guy, and and 371 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.319 we ended up negotiating, or he ended up negotiating for 372 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:50.920 one hundred kilo delivery, one hundred keys of coke in Philadelphia. 373 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.960 And his gal, she was ahead of the organization. I 374 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.920 won't give me a name, but she said, yeah, we 375 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.759 can do it. Twenty five twenty was it twenty five? 376 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.160 We did get my notes to twenty five? Get my 377 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:09.680 notes here if I'm correctly, Oh, hang say twenty uh 378 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.359 twenty twenty five? Key, okay, So yeah, we're looking at 379 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:14.480 We're looking at And he wanted in twenty dollar bills. 380 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.400 Twenty dollar bills, you wanted street money bills. Don't give me, 381 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.200 don't give me fifties, don't give me a hundreds, give 382 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.000 me twenties. I went twenties. So we had to go 383 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.160 to the Federal Reserve. We got to go to the 384 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:27.559 Federal Reserve Bank. We got approval. It took a lot 385 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.920 of effort, but we got approval and we went to 386 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:35.279 the Fed bank and we ended up taking out one 387 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.759 million dollars in cash. Because why you never go on 388 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:42.799 the street Jack and Dave with a short package of money. 389 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:43.599 You don't do that. 390 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:45.559 It's only in the movies you put a you put 391 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:47.640 one hundred of pop and the rest of paperwork in between. 392 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:48.880 You're gonna do yourself heard for that. 393 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.160 You can't. You can't. You can't do that stuff. You 394 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.480 can't do it. So bottom line was, we ended up 395 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:55.200 getting a million. 396 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:57.720 You know how much a million pounds wighs in twenties, 397 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:00.920 A million dollars how much one hundred and twelve to 398 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.319 one hundred and twelve pounds, one hundred and twelve pounds 399 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.920 of twenty dollar bills, one hundred and felve free compounds. 400 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.079 We busted in and we busted into. There was fifty stacks. 401 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:09.640 Uh. 402 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.680 There, there's fifty thousand dollars, fifty thousand bills and basically 403 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:13.480 had one hundred stacks. 404 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.519 We did fifty one bag, fifteen other bag. 405 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.880 I still remember the guy's doing it and I was 406 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:19.279 out in a hook for this. Me and my partner Frank, 407 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.920 we're on a hook for this money. Like man, we can't. 408 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.519 We can't lose a twenty dollar bill. So the bottom 409 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:29.039 line was, we gave the undercovers the money men, excuse me, 410 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.720 the money men. Uh, they could play for the event. 411 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.319 They played for the defensive line for the full of eagles. 412 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.599 They came in looking really sharp, rolled it in the 413 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.839 seven to fifty black VMW tinted out, you know, the 414 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.839 cigars in her mouths and black jackets, and and they 415 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.640 they sold her. They sold her man and she went 416 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:48.200 and got to fifty. She got his fifty. And then 417 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.079 the other place we hit a little search fore we 418 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:54.240 got the other fifty. Successful case. Funny story. We come 419 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.240 back that next day are sacked. Especial az in the 420 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.799 shar fam is any he can back to the group? 421 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.200 His men, great job last night, Great job, he said, 422 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.839 Mac suggests her. He goes, don't forget get that money 423 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:09.680 back to the federal reserve. We're gonna be uitar's interest 424 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.000 on that. I said, yes, sir, I was worried about 425 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.200 the freaking interest on the money. 426 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.359 Do you get back that day? Do you recall how 427 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.400 much interest the deea got charged? 428 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.559 I don't Jack. That's a great question. I don't know 429 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.440 by one of our Madmen officers says, it was pretty extensive. 430 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.319 So you got in a twenty four period for every 431 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:31.599 twenty four hours. Back then, this was like nineteen ninety two, 432 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:34.000 maybe ninety three, we did the operation, We did this case, 433 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.880 and yeah, we had to get that money back. And 434 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:38.640 I know what was the best the best billing. Now 435 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:43.240 every twenty dollars bill was there, one was missing, one 436 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:45.839 was missing. Man, I was not doing a freaking other 437 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:47.640 because we couldn't even do account on it. 438 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:48.119 We had to get it. 439 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.799 We had to get an optimization chronological order sheet from 440 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:52.359 the Federal Reserve. 441 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.039 It's just too much money. Yeah, and and we had 442 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:55.359 to do. 443 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:58.519 It that way because we had to look like we 444 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.480 were traffickers oprahs. 445 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.119 We knew what we were doing. And uh, she bought up. 446 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.920 She bought it. Man more reserved. When you roll up 447 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:08.039 with that in your trunk. 448 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.880 I mean it's it's and trust me, we probably had 449 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.440 agent personnel on that street. We had air units, we 450 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:18.400 had you know, I don't even give those tracking device 451 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:21.240 at that time. We probably put some like a bird 452 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.759 dog or something in it down the bags just in case. 453 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:28.000 We must have had thirty or forty Feds county guys. 454 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:31.519 I ascume me state guys. Just that money was going nowhere, man, 455 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.680 it was going nowhere. So it was it was I 456 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:35.880 remember doing it on Sea Line Avenue in Philadelphia, were 457 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:37.960 doing the Steed Line Avenue at Tji Fuddy's and. 458 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:41.880 It was well. It was well covered, man, well covered. 459 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:44.200 A lot of fun. Thank god, no one got hurt. 460 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:47.440 Any others who want to talk about from Philly before 461 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:48.799 moving on to the next one. 462 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:51.359 No, I think we're I think those those uh, I 463 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.039 think they stand out in my mind. I mean, I mean, 464 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.680 I gotta get kudos. I'm gonna get the coolers. 465 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.400 Of the guys and gals that worked Group three in 466 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.839 Philadelphia from nineteen eighty eight to the nineteen ninety six. 467 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.079 I was there with the people. I got to give 468 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.720 the kudos. We were such an aggressive group. 469 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.759 I got cruders to my partner, my my I know 470 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.640 it's not on an award show, but my my supervisor Rick, 471 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.160 he would get us. We would come with these crazy 472 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:20.160 type of scenarios just between the over to cusp. 473 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.079 A little bit. You guys knew to you as former Rangers. 474 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:23.920 You're kind of like, yeah, we can't do that, but 475 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:25.720 we can do this though, you know, it's it's kind 476 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:29.279 of fine line until you tripping over yourself. And he 477 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:31.920 would get these things approved and man they would work out, 478 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:34.960 and man it was. It was fantastic. And what what 479 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:36.839 a bunch of good people. What a bunch of good people. 480 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.799 We were bund anywhere from twelve to twelve to fifteen 481 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.559 anytime any gunslingers any time in the group twelve to 482 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.440 fifteen US and we we rock and roll, man, no 483 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:51.960 we are Our motto was no state cases in this group, 484 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.319 federal case, no state case. 485 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:58.680 We want to take them all federally. We did, We did. Yeah, 486 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:01.960 And what was the next assignment after Philly? 487 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:04.759 We went down to Quantico or we were giving the 488 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.599 opportunity to go to Quantico. Very tough at the time 489 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:11.160 to get into Quantico. And I'm gonna be honest with you. 490 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.319 My my former partner, Frank was tight with the number 491 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.920 two guy in training named Louke god Rest. 492 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:20.720 His so he passed away. He was a great guy 493 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.319 who was the number two man in training and they. 494 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.799 Were both the tectives together and so in BC in 495 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.799 New York and made a phone call and they had 496 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:33.079 they had several openings in the gym with the instructors, 497 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.160 so I was able to get into the gymnasium and 498 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:42.160 I encompassed his physical training, defensive tactics, entry training which 499 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.960 you guys love, you know, bang bang bangman slamm though, 500 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.799 and then also vehicle containments and any type of wrestled 501 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:49.599 and around vehicles. 502 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:50.960 So we had four. 503 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.559 We probably were with the students the most of the 504 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:58.000 seventeen weeks, or we call it the tactle unit. Yet 505 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:01.960 we have multiple response abilities that we had to We 506 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.000 had to do everything from defensive tacks, well what's the 507 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.880 defensive tactic? But we used to teach Cob mcgofighting. We 508 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.440 had to teach the personal weapons skills fighting. Some people 509 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:11.480 never got hit in their lives. 510 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:12.039 You know. 511 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.759 I boxed when I was aged from age twelve, middle eight, 512 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.000 you know, and all that good stuff. But uh, you 513 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.400 would see some of these people and you're like, I mean, 514 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:24.519 we had a guy break his femur femur in boxing. 515 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.079 Now you see this, so Jack and Day are like, 516 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:31.000 the hell the guy break his femur? Heavyweight bout heavyweight bout, 517 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:34.000 two big boys going at it, great guys, great guys. 518 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:37.960 Brad and of course I hate to say, mister Viney 519 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:38.680 he passed away. 520 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:42.160 He got his mister vine and gets his right foot 521 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.160 caught behind his left foot on the rubber matt and 522 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.400 and all of a sudden a body shot comes and 523 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:48.720 spun him around and you hear. 524 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:53.039 This boom busted. I was like, oh, that's crazy. 525 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.480 Yeah, Dave and and and Jack, I'm telling you it 526 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.599 sounded like a gunshot. We all fired the twelve gages. 527 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.000 It sounded like a gunshot going on, and we all 528 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.319 like what you know, very big eyes, like what just happened? 529 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:09.400 And thank god? 530 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:09.920 He was good. 531 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.720 He was fine. I mean, we had to get you 532 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:12.519 had to get repaired. 533 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:17.079 But we were able to graduate him because boxing is 534 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.000 like in a week fourteen back in the day, I 535 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:19.880 was seventeen weeks. 536 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.519 Can you imagine going through the training again. No, we 537 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:24.440 got him his gun and. 538 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.480 His badge, and he walked across the stage on his course. 539 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.079 Who breaks a fever? Much less steam, well yeah, less 540 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.160 in boxing. Yeah, think about it. 541 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.279 You think to yourself, how that happened. 542 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.920 But when he got his foot plot we saw it coming. 543 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.799 Yeah, and mister Brad and he probably weighed like what 544 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.200 two fifty or something like that. 545 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.440 I would say probably yeah, I'll gi give christer. Vin 546 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.359 was probably about two fifty, mystery probably about maybe two 547 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:51.039 twenty five. 548 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:53.960 Yeah, yeah. And and Brad was you know, one of 549 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.519 these guys. It was a former ball player, football player 550 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.960 and good guy. And and that right there. 551 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.680 It was probably the most tragic event that eyewitnessed in 552 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:08.559 the Academy with my five years there as an instructor, 553 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:12.160 as an agent instructor, because we have we got people going, 554 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.599 you know, uh coding, they'd go, you know, CPR, they're 555 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.039 heart attacking, or you got guys, you know, National Academy 556 00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.960 students in the in the in the locker room, paying 557 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:24.559 have heart attacks. 558 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:26.920 I have a heart attack in the freaking locker room. 559 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.839 Because remember, in the academy, you have DA, you have 560 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.640 the FBI, you have the National Academy students who are 561 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:39.599 the National Academy students. They are students that represent local, county, state, 562 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.519 and international law enforcement agencies. And you got guys are 563 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.240 coming in and they're like, dude, you got to run 564 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.839 and you got to do push ups and pt and workout, 565 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.400 and they're supposed to be cleared, you know, but sometimes 566 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:55.359 you don't doesn't make it. You know, like the sixty 567 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.559 two days you guys endure down there a ranger training. 568 00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.839 You know, you guys are all squared away before. 569 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.039 You go in a place. If not, you're like, yeah, 570 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:02.759 get rid of this guy. 571 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.119 You said that you really enjoyed your time at Quantico, 572 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.079 that that was kind of like the most rewarding part 573 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:08.680 of your career. 574 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.480 That's a very good that's a very good question, Jack. Yeah, 575 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:12.720 I really did you know why? 576 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:19.440 Because we were actually making the next generation of agents and. 577 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:20.480 They looked upon you. 578 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.000 I mean, we had a we had a pat his 579 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.119 name was He's once again he's passed away as well. 580 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.640 Patay was a combat vet, Marine vet in the Battle 581 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:30.880 of Way. He was in back in the day and 582 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.880 he was always this you have to be don't smell 583 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.480 like booze and make sure you're shaped. 584 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.039 And he was tight man. 585 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:38.519 He was tight. He was a big man. 586 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.279 He played at Lake University of North Carolina for guard 587 00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:46.880 tackle and Pat ran it ran a tight ship. But 588 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.480 it was he wanted to exemplify this is the next 589 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.440 cruel of people, this is the next body of people 590 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.519 that we wanted to train the right way. 591 00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.319 You have to make sure, are they driven? Are they 592 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.640 confident it? Can they can they? I mean I sound 593 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.200 sounds crazy here, but can they can they kill someone? 594 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.039 Can they do it? That they have the mindset? So 595 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:10.960 we had to we had to work those people to 596 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.759 make sure they can do that. And you know, most 597 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.279 of my people, you get fifty in a class, we. 598 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.519 Would probably not lose as much as you guys with 599 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:24.240 rangers would lose or get rate. It would lose maybe 600 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:27.240 I don't know, two, three, four out of fifty because 601 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.640 they couldn't shoot, or they couldn't do the pet or 602 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.839 some reason why. You know, bad attitude, you know, dismissal 603 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.960 because a bad attitude. But most of the time very 604 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.599 warning to me. From being a former teacher and a coach, 605 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.880 I was able to, like, you know, train them that way. 606 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.720 They used to say, I would repeat myself a thousand times. 607 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:53.400 Well that's what I would repeat myself because it's about repetition, repetition. 608 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:54.559 Rhythm, rhythm, rhythm, repetition. 609 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:55.440 And I still that. 610 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.039 It's one of the guys. When I didn't see him 611 00:28:58.039 --> 00:28:59.480 in years and years and years, he was a former 612 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.680 student of mine and he was down in Los Angeles. 613 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.440 He got to his first officer of assignment. They got 614 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.039 involved in the situation where it was a bunch of 615 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.079 gangsters and they all split up, and him and another 616 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.839 agent go running after the guy. They get him, and 617 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.680 all he said is, I can hear you yelling tough, 618 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.119 double lock, high risk search. Cuff double lock, high risk search. 619 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:20.720 And he goes tough, double lock, high risk search. 620 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.000 How cool is that? Yeah? Right, how cool is that? 621 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.640 And his name is Mark, and and I said, you know, 622 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.799 I didn't do it for to hear my own self talk. 623 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.960 I wanted to do it for you guys, know what 624 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.599 the heck you're doing. And one of the greatest things 625 00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.319 I'm most proud. Yes, I had a few people that 626 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.480 that got themselves in a little bit of trick bags 627 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.200 on the job and they're no longer in the job, 628 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.079 or they got in trouble. You can't be with them 629 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.160 twenty fours a day. When they leave, it's just can't be. 630 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:50.119 You just can't do it. 631 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.359 Don't blame yourself. But not one got seriously injured or 632 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.079 killed on the job. 633 00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.200 That's what I like to hear. Yeah, they're good, they're 634 00:29:59.240 --> 00:29:59.519 good to. 635 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.240 Go, right, I mean, I'm sure you have instructed the 636 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:03.640 same way would feel the same way. Or if you 637 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.559 guys ever taught and instructors, you don't want to put 638 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:07.599 them in a bad situation. 639 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.279 Would have break broke my heart if I heard that. 640 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.440 Such and such guy blah blah blah because he lost 641 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.279 his weapon during a fight or whatever. 642 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.799 So we has to fight constantly, you know, the common 643 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.279 guy on the ground and. 644 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:24.960 Fish and elbows and punches and knees and kicks and 645 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.240 maybe stinky sweaty down the pool decks sweating it out. 646 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.160 Welcome to da baby, and the Bureau will be up there. 647 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:34.759 No disrespect to the Bureau. They'd up there in the 648 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.480 air conditioned gym doing her thing. I know he had 649 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.680 Chris Shaw I'm going that. You know his his locker, 650 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.200 Chris Wickham's locker was literally down a row from my 651 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.079 locker in the main locker room. And he was He 652 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.039 was such a quiet guy, such a quiet guy, nice guy, 653 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.480 a good operator, never speaks badly about anyone. 654 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.440 And those guys HRT for a moment, you had them on. 655 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:03.079 You had them on. 656 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:08.000 Yeah, yeah, and he's super die and he HRT man, 657 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.960 they're no joke. But remember with HRT, they train train 658 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:18.359 train Wanny evolution after doing an evolution. They are training, 659 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.359 train and trained, and God bless the man, God bless 660 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:23.119 you for. 661 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:23.799 A long time. 662 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.759 I mean, maybe it's a misconception, but like people would say, 663 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.920 like HRT doesn't actually do anything. But I mean the 664 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.279 last like ten years or so, especially, it seems like 665 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.799 they're getting after it quite a bit. 666 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:38.279 I believe. I believe they are too. 667 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.200 I mean, I mean, I mean you had some situations 668 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.640 that they were really kind of getting a bad rap war. 669 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.279 Yeah, yeah, you know the ones, the Ruby Ridge, the one, 670 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.599 this one and one that. You know, it all comes 671 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:51.920 down to, you know what, what's your what's your focus? 672 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.680 What do you want them to do? How many teams 673 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.240 do you have, how many are in a team? 674 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.839 And you know, it's the same thing with us, if 675 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.039 I may, if I may kind of trainransition a little bit. Yeah, 676 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.759 at what age, we had what we call we had 677 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.640 first we had snow cap operations. Snow cap operations where 678 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.000 a group of men that would go to all the 679 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.400 different schools and then you go down south and you 680 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.400 blow up coming doesn't laughs, and you make a ton 681 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.680 of money. This is the days back in the when 682 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.559 I first imployment in the eighties and early nine and disbanded. 683 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.839 He disbanded. Good guys. 684 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.480 Snow Cap is where they are like Vietnam veterans flying 685 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:27.880 Hughey's done in South America. 686 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.160 Yeah, you got it, You absolutely got it. 687 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.640 And there a hardcore man. I mean, we had one 688 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:34.039 guy in our group group. 689 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.799 Three, named Dick, and I wave the last name because 690 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:38.640 he's he's a he's. 691 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:39.680 A warrior, man, I'll tell you that. 692 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.839 But Dick, he would love to break the fngs and 693 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.359 I think you know what FNNG stands for, Freaking new guys, 694 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.480 freaking new girls, you know. And he would come around 695 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.000 on pay day when he's back from deployment. He need 696 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.559 have a stack of money on him and he'd wipe 697 00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.519 his brow and he'd go, oh, it's so hot today, 698 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.720 so hot today. And we're like going ARGs seven's man, 699 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.039 we're like making like twenty five thousand dollars back in 700 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:06.759 like in nineteen eighty seven, enter eighty eight, you know, 701 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.599 And I'm like, damn, you know, maybe I should sign 702 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.559 up for Snowcaps. And then I find out what snow 703 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.960 Caps about. I'm like, nah, I don't want any things 704 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.960 in my intestines and I don't want to be going 705 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.279 to the bathroom at all hours of the night, you know. 706 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.559 So then we moved into a program called FAST. Now 707 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.759 this is where five the five ninety five comes in 708 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.680 with the odas and God bless them and thank thanks, 709 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.599 like I said, for doing what they did. Well, you 710 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.599 guys did in that Jack and and so the Foreign 711 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.599 Advisory Support Team there was five teams Alpha, Brad, Wicholi, DECA, Delta, 712 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.720 Echo and they would rotate in and out of Afghanistan 713 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.119 and they would and they would work counterinsurgencies and drug 714 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.359 missions and going to the bazaars and blow things up 715 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.079 and burn things down, and it was it was effective. 716 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.559 But what happens is you get the hired ups and 717 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.480 then it's like, well you're doing a little too much, 718 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.119 shoot them up, banging them up. We're gonna have to 719 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.680 try if we're gonna have to hold back because FAST 720 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.279 guys were then moving to other operational theory a theater Honduras, 721 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.679 you know, doing some other you know, snatch and grab 722 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.840 work off the coast somewhere, and it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 723 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.920 We just we just want the fast personnel to the 724 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.880 sixty or ninety days to do these missions with O 725 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.559 DA nine, you know, five ninety five or or whatever. 726 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.599 And that was that was something that you know, that 727 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:27.960 was that was dangerous. It was very dangerous. 728 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.119 Uh And a lot of times it came down to 729 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.840 too many congressional hearings, too much push going on. And 730 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.239 the guys that ran it, I mean they're friends of mine. 731 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.039 I mean they were super guys. I mean they they 732 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.800 were wonderful people and they know they know their business. 733 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.239 But I just want to hire up, sayah, we can't 734 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.159 be doing that anymore. And they just dismantled all these 735 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.400 weapons Jack and Dave, I'm talking like all kind of 736 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.639 crazy weapons, man, beautiful weapons, as our president will say, beautiful, 737 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:05.599 beautiful stuff, you know, and gone spend the money gone gone. 738 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:06.960 So now we don't have we don't have Foreign and 739 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:08.039 Value Support teams. 740 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.480 An long the Fast Teams were super active in Afghanistan also, 741 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.360 as she went out, that's kind of like an untold story. 742 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:16.840 I think, can you can you? 743 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.599 I mean you're probably My sharing with with the with 744 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.519 the Fast Team was, as I was in inspections, every 745 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.199 time they pulled the trigger, we had to investigate the 746 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.360 trigger being pulled. 747 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.920 From Afar, from Afar BECU we couldn't enter into a 748 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:29.519 war zone. 749 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.559 So a lot of times it was very very short 750 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.440 and concise a did this be did this, did this, 751 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.800 and boom, it goes to the shooting incident board and uh. 752 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:41.760 It's to get most of the time it's cleared. 753 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.960 So but you're right about that, and they were doing 754 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.840 everything your O das were doing. 755 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.519 Yeah, well then they as I recall, they did work 756 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.079 with special Forces with with Australian sas a bunch of 757 00:35:58.119 --> 00:35:59.280 different units, like. 758 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:03.480 Because they because they were jointing, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, 759 00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.280 and you know, and I know I had. 760 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.840 The opportunity to deal with the most uh excuse me, 761 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.800 some of the Australians. They're they're awesome, man, they're awesome. 762 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.599 They come to Quantico and they want to work the 763 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.440 houses and and our free time we work with them. 764 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.320 And we had you know, different Argentinians coming in and 765 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.079 special Forces and it's just coming into train, trains, training, 766 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.840 and me personally, I am not a military guy, but 767 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:32.199 I was trained in the ability to teach certain ways 768 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.480 of tactics and and and it worked out. 769 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:36.280 It workd out. 770 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.519 Yeah, And I mean it's it's easy to see how 771 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.960 you know, they would start having mission creep or expanding 772 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.199 their scope or whatever else. Because when you're in theater, 773 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.280 whether you know whether it was when you know it 774 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.280 was with Snowcap or with Fast or whatever. Like, you're 775 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.960 always looking for work, and you know you might go 776 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.400 down with like disapproved mission set or these approved programmers parameters, 777 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.360 but when you see other things and you go, oh, 778 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.119 well that needs to be addressed too, and you know 779 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:05.599 you've got and everybody's willing. 780 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:06.440 Right. 781 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.360 Yeah, they were tasked to go after the heroin though 782 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.079 in Afghanistan. 783 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.880 Yeah yeah, right, But I mean but you know, if 784 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.079 they're sitting at you know, if they're sitting you know, 785 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.280 at bogroom with one of the tfs, they'll they'll go 786 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.280 knock on a door and go, hey, what are you 787 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:19.760 guys up to? 788 00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.920 Is there a way we can get into this or 789 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:23.840 you know whatever. 790 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.239 Like you're you're always like pimping yourself, You're always looking 791 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.400 for working those donments. 792 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.960 I I just said, I I never was part of 793 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.880 a FAST program. I take my hats off to those 794 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.039 personnel that did it. I know a lot of them 795 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.079 that did it that were former students that rolled over 796 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.000 to you know, the field work and then he went 797 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:43.400 over to the up the. 798 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.199 Farm, I mean the Fast Team Fast program. Yeah. 799 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.119 And you know, I'm not saying I wanted to do it. 800 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.800 I said I wouldn't want to do it. But those 801 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.719 who did it, God blessed them many. 802 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:54.440 God bless him. 803 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.239 A good friend of mine, Carson, he was involved with it. 804 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.800 And he was this guy Loo looked like Bull from 805 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.199 Night Court. And he was a motor scooter man and 806 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.440 he was one of the PTA instructors with me in Quantico, 807 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.599 the fifth degree black belt in the Great Jiu Jitsu. 808 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.800 And he would he would wrap you up like a 809 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.760 spider and you you're not getting out of it, dude. 810 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:11.920 Yeah, just gotta tap out. 811 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:12.079 You know. 812 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.480 Hey, guys, our show is sponsored by ghost Bed. Check 813 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.519 them out. Please to make awesome mattresses, awesome pillows, awesome betting. 814 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:26.239 Ghostpread provides high quality, is super comfortable, award winning mattresses 815 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.320 crafted in the US and Canada. 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Then you have foreign 868 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.960 offices anywhere from Freeport Bahamas all the way down to Williamstead, 869 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.719 Cota Saw, all the way down the island, all the 870 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.239 way west. So we call it a hybrid division. So 871 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:33.000 you're working with domestic basically with those offices. 872 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:33.239 In Puerto Rico. 873 00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:35.280 What kind offices in Puerto Rico where you have You 874 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.880 have the San Juan office, you had the aga DA office, 875 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.400 you had the Tahardo office at the Punt office, so 876 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.000 all around are all around the island in a block. 877 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.079 But yet you had a Freeport office, you had a 878 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.719 national office. So it was very complicated sometimes because one 879 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:56.320 one hour you're working domestically, next hour you're working foreign. 880 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.800 Like in other words, I could have guys in Antigua 881 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.559 working with Dantigue Wins and then my other guys over 882 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.360 in Fajardo executing a restaurant with the Barhardo office. 883 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.559 So it was it was very, very challenging, to say 884 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.440 the least, because I had about uh as a boss. 885 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.760 I had about nineteen nineteen weapon carricers down there, very 886 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.360 close with the FBI, very close to atf Customs Border Patrol, 887 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:22.920 believe it or not. 888 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.960 And it really worked out, really really did it was. 889 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.519 It was a it was a yeah, a littit challenges 890 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.320 took place because you're on a you're on a twenty 891 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.800 eight mile wide sem ex give me a twenty mile 892 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.920 twenty long, sever a mile wide rock. 893 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.000 You have to think outside the box. And we had 894 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:44.800 to think outside the box there. You really did. 895 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.639 It's just like any mission that you might have been on. 896 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:48.440 You like, oh, this is a normal mission that we've 897 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.639 done before. It's like, no, it's it's different. It's it's changed. 898 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:56.320 It's changed because you're on the island. You're dealing with 899 00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:02.440 air boat assets. You know, maybe you're hitting the location, 900 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.039 hitting the door. Unlike the cities. You know, you're hitting doors, 901 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:10.480 crack crashing doors on the islands. It's it changed, it's different. 902 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.480 On the surface of all of this, you know, an 903 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.480 assignment to Saint Croix. Sounds like it's a kind of 904 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.760 pleasure tour. You know, this is a really good Yeah, 905 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.000 but you know even more. 906 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.679 Than walking to Cove and stay with my wife and 907 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.880 I forgot three months and by the think like I 908 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:25.840 gotta get off this rock. 909 00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.320 Yeah, do you want. I needed to give the guys 910 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.400 rn R to go take dope back to Miami. 911 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.320 To burn dope in Miami because you get rock fever, man, 912 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.039 you get rock Fie and everyone knows you, so you 913 00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:37.480 have to work outside the box. 914 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:41.119 Could could you also kind of like lay out like geopolitically, 915 00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.039 what the situation is down there, because the Caribbean obviously 916 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.559 you're there for a reason, they're you know, you described 917 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:49.920 it as a scene of modern piracy. 918 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:50.679 Uh. 919 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.559 You know we got everything from the cocaine cowboys in 920 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.440 the eighties and now we're into the nineteen nineties, you 921 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.800 know both like you said, air sea and land drugs 922 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.440 being smuggled south to north. 923 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.480 That's that's correct. I mean when I was there, and 924 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.400 it just goes back a long time. This goes back 925 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:09.880 a long time. I was there from O one O 926 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.440 four four years, running the running the show down there, 927 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.800 had great, great coordination with with the troops from uh 928 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.119 all our alphabet agencies, but also the Dutch, the French 929 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:22.800 and the Brits. 930 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.320 Think about that because those islands, it's it's. 931 00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.840 It's it's funny because people say the America's got the 932 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.639 worst islands, the US Virgin Islands, and we got Puerto Rico. 933 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:33.679 You know, I mean, no disrespect, you know, but but 934 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.440 you got you got Saint Martin. To the French, you 935 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:37.880 gotta you know, you got you got the A d 936 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.559 C's down below with the Dutch, they're beautiful and like, 937 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.480 oh okay, and we got these guys. Okay, so we 938 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.079 have to take this. But who was our I gotta 939 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.880 be honest to you. We had no disrespect to the 940 00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.480 other country, America, the Dutch, the French, and the bridge. 941 00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:54.440 It was the Brits. 942 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:55.719 Mick. 943 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:57.719 I'm just gonna go with a guy named Mick. He 944 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.639 was the man over into Poland. We were tight with 945 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.000 the bricks. They they would bring it, they would bring 946 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.920 sea assets, hair assets, and they would think outside the 947 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:06.599 box with us. 948 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.719 The Dutch, in the French, you know, they you know, 949 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:11.880 this guy got with you know, to Chisa Heroin. 950 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.480 Okay, give a ticket, you know, kind of deal, not 951 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.480 being disrespectful to them. But that's that's what they would do. Uh, 952 00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.800 we would go to coordinational meeting. You like this, We'll 953 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.039 go to the coordination meetings and we have a coordinational meeting, 954 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:25.880 saying Saint Martin. You know the Dutch style, you know, 955 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.880 you have you have the French up top, in the 956 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.320 Dutch down below to the south. We go over for 957 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.800 coordinational media and the Dutch would be there, the French, 958 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.840 the bride, and here and we and who would come 959 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.159 walking in and they'd all say, and here come the 960 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.199 Americans and here come the Americans, and we'd walk in, 961 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:43.840 you know because why because the Americans they all thought 962 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.400 that we, being the Americans, we were the ones that 963 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.920 were driving everything, pushing everything, spending the money, bringing the 964 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:52.559 personnel in. 965 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.079 Kind of kind of true because you meant you've made it. 966 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:57.800 You made a comment or jack, you. 967 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.400 Know, dope going north and money coming south. And that's 968 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.039 that's absolutely true. Because when that dope comes off the 969 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:08.840 coast of Surinam, Guyana, not Guyana, Africa, guy guy out 970 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.360 the south off the southern cone there and then you 971 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.679 have Veniceuela Letting, and then you have Columbia and of 972 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.440 course you on the Ecuador so and end. They have 973 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.440 to go through the Panama Canal to get into the goal. 974 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.880 I mean into into the sea, the Caribbean Sea, and 975 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.760 they stay inside the sea. They don't go out to 976 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:24.440 the Atlantic Ocean. 977 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:26.119 It's too rough. So they'll run that all the way 978 00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:27.119 up until they. 979 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.880 Get around our neighborhood and then they'll break either for 980 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:34.239 Africa or Lisban, Portugal, or they'll keep they'll break over 981 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.159 to Puerto Rico, or they'll go up the chains in 982 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.400 the TCS or up to the Bahamas. It's an art, man, 983 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.280 it's not we used to have. We had to pinned 984 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.480 down routes and roots. And I'm still I probably walk 985 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:47.880 in that office today and look at that, look at 986 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.920 the board. I'm like, man, doesn't change. So still still happen. Yeah, 987 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.280 still still the same thing. And people say, well, what 988 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.199 about the seventh centamp countries to your west, they're keeping that. 989 00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.000 They'll don't blow it. They'll blow off. 990 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.480 Uh. Doors sometimes will come out, but that dope has 991 00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:09.000 to be trucked through land, possibly getting further caught or seized. 992 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.920 First, you put on the water. You guys been down. 993 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:14.920 I'm sure you have admissions and you look down there, 994 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:15.920 you see you're punching. 995 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:16.840 You're punching holes of. 996 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.079 The darkness, and you're like, where are we? You're playing 997 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:20.639 at night time, like, where the hell are we? 998 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.480 It's just also interesting, like you know, some of it 999 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.199 has to do, I think with how much flight time 1000 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.639 a single prop plane has on one tank of fuel 1001 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:33.960 and where you know they have to land to refuel. 1002 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:36.480 And if you look at the flight range or those 1003 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.559 planes and going just like go on Google Earth and 1004 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.000 start calculating where they would have to land in that Caribbean, 1005 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.840 you know, Southern Cone, like, it becomes pretty clear what 1006 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:48.719 the drug air fields would have to be. 1007 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.920 Absolutely. I mean, you know, one one funny movie and 1008 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.159 I don't know if you guys ever seen this, but 1009 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.320 it's fine. I don't really watch the Coffer shows or whatever, 1010 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.000 but get a chance to watch watch American Name with 1011 00:47:58.119 --> 00:47:59.000 Tom Cruise. 1012 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is based on the based on 1013 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:02.159 a true story. 1014 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.559 Yeah story, man, it's it's he was a He worked 1015 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.079 all the alphabets D A, FBI, C A T S. 1016 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:10.639 See. 1017 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.920 I he was just knowing us all. And he's down 1018 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:15.880 there with the narco. He's hanging out with the narcos, 1019 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.199 and and honestly, guy, he they know the routs, they 1020 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.159 knew what they were doing. But that that, you know, 1021 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.920 to say what you want, you know, laugh at it 1022 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:23.320 or whatever. 1023 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.280 I think it's funny as hell. But watch that movie. 1024 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.519 It's true. They'll they'll know. 1025 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:33.199 I mean, they know that the submarine action that's been 1026 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:35.480 happening over the last number of years, the submarines or that. 1027 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.000 You know, these people had the biggest may I say, 1028 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.159 goonas in the world. They'd be in these little Yola boats. 1029 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.760 A Yola boat is it's a lowlyon boat with a 1030 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:50.320 little I think, I think of gas and I think 1031 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:51.920 of water and two guys and they be on the 1032 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.760 boat with fifty kilos on it in the middle of 1033 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.440 the freaking Caribbean. Cy like what the coach guard a 1034 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.039 one ten or two ten with picked himp and go, 1035 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.760 what are you guys doing? Oh, we need to get 1036 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.920 this to Puerto Rico. You know, Oh my god, you're 1037 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.599 gonna die out here. You're gonna die. I'm like, well, 1038 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.000 you know, it's whatever they're getting paid, you know, fifty 1039 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:09.920 bucks a key. I don't know. 1040 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.239 Supposedly, it's like hell on Earth on those those improvised 1041 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.159 mini subs too. 1042 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.119 I don't even know. 1043 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.400 I couldn't make I couldn't even talk about those, but 1044 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.039 I bet man, I mean, I couldn't imagine it. But honestly, 1045 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.719 that's a great question. Have great break break break question 1046 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.719 and Dave break questions as well. Right, we were always 1047 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.760 active before I thank Froyd office in the Caribbean division. 1048 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:37.239 You had to work with the foreign counterparts because of intelligence. 1049 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:41.239 So tell us about some of the ops. Like in 1050 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.519 one case, you guys who did like a reverse undercover sting. 1051 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.440 Absolutely one of the one of the greatest cases. Man, 1052 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.159 it was awesome, great thinking. A guy named Joe put 1053 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.679 this together. I give him kudos, and the guys helped 1054 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.000 him out amazing. What we ended up doing was we 1055 00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.760 got to approval for this and when we became the 1056 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:03.480 best guy, we became the bad guys. The DEA became 1057 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.119 the bad guys. Meaning when you talk about reverse undercover operation, 1058 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.599 what we ended up doing was we made these burlap bags, 1059 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:18.519 burlap bales, ten burlout bales. In those ten burl ab bales, 1060 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.239 we had upwards of about. 1061 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.159 Fifty piece fifty kilos. 1062 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.800 It was it was two byts, it was two pounds 1063 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:31.000 of wood, two point two pounds of wood, newspaper wrapped 1064 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.559 induct tape, and fifty of them stuffed in the burlout bag, 1065 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.199 stuffed in the burloup. So we had ten of them, 1066 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:39.880 and our mission was to fly it in with a 1067 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:43.880 Dea plane and we had an offload crew. The crew 1068 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.000 was gonna come and gonna get these ten. We totally 1069 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.199 you got ten to get out of the water. Who 1070 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.039 told them confidential informant, confidential source. We couldn't get any 1071 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.320 agency to this crew, couldn't get it in. We had 1072 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:56.840 to go to this with his confidential source. 1073 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.760 We ended up had the pane. We have a you 1074 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.400 like this one. 1075 00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.119 We used to have a forty two foot go fast 1076 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.000 boat down there aside to us two my guys with 1077 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.039 the boat handlings go for it. They could figure they 1078 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.679 drive that thing around the Caribbean, burned some fuel, need it, 1079 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:15.320 must need it, you know, right. So this plane we 1080 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.519 came in, oh three hundred in the morning, covered darkness, 1081 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.039 dropped boom boom, ten bailed down, okay, dropping it out, 1082 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.159 dropping them out. So that's five hundred, that's five hundred keys, 1083 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.960 you know overall, you know, times to two point two 1084 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.960 pounds about eleven hundred pounds throwing it out. 1085 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:33.199 These guys. 1086 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.239 Came off the beach into the water in their little 1087 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.519 yolos and they covered darkness. Dave and Jack, they were 1088 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.280 able to locate all ten bail. 1089 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.239 When they came off the beach. They had a van. 1090 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.400 That van was to put them in the van take. 1091 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.559 It to a storage facility on Saint Croix because it 1092 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.559 was then going to be moved over to Puto Ricos 1093 00:51:56.599 --> 00:52:00.280 the next day more within a day or two. Well, 1094 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.800 unbeknownst to them, when they came off the let off 1095 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.159 the water and they get feet dry, that's when the 1096 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:09.960 rest team we came in. We we nailed them all 1097 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.880 and two of them were like Version's National Guard guys 1098 00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:16.119 and you know, just looking for extra side hustle money and. 1099 00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.719 So yeah, without like I obviously I don't want you 1100 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.760 to you know, I don't want to get into questions 1101 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.159 like tradecrafter or your operational security, but like when you're 1102 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.480 doing something like that for these guys who are like 1103 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:35.960 the the offload crews or you know, transfer guys, are 1104 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.719 they like independents who will work for any cartel that 1105 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.000 says do this or are or are they part of 1106 00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:44.920 a cartel's pipeline. 1107 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.599 No, that's a great question. That's a great question, Dave. 1108 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.840 It's mainly going to be who wants to pay somebody 1109 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:51.719 to do a side hustle. 1110 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:52.400 That's what it is. 1111 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.840 They're looking for money down here, and they they could 1112 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.400 be doing they could be doing this one week next week. There. 1113 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:02.000 I hate to say this, they're they're taking you know, 1114 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.679 human trafficking off a cargo ship over to Puerto Rico. 1115 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.519 Interesting. It's very it's you know, it's sad. It's sad everyone. 1116 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.599 I mean, I love. I mean, you come into this 1117 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.840 in the Caribbean and I always tell people get blue, 1118 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.960 green water, sandy beaches, blue skies. 1119 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.239 It's great and all that it is. And it's very 1120 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.639 expensive to live healthcare. 1121 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.360 So so I would always say living in the third 1122 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.800 world country and the American flag, it was it was rough. 1123 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.880 But you know what, I salute the people that work 1124 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.840 the Caribbean Division, you know because back in the day, 1125 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.760 and I'll put it in football terminology for the in 1126 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.239 country agents that are in the Colombian offices and the 1127 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.840 you know, the the Ghana and the Gregorian offices, they're 1128 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.320 like the they're like the defensive line then you move 1129 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.719 into the Central Americas and you move into the Caribbeans. 1130 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.639 Now you're like the lineback. And now they get in 1131 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.960 America US of A, they're the defensive backs. You know, 1132 00:53:58.079 --> 00:53:59.679 that's that's the best way I can put the lines 1133 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.760 of the answer there all the way through. And and 1134 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:06.199 you know it was I always considered us we have 1135 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.480 if we don't stop it here, it's getting in and 1136 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.360 it's getting a bigger location the United States of America. 1137 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.159 So they can go into Miami, they can go into Jacksonville, 1138 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.119 they can go into the Carolinas, the Phillies, they can 1139 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.920 just bump bump, bump, bump bump. And it was true, 1140 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.280 and it was definitely true. And we would try to 1141 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.719 always uh. A lot of a lot of times you 1142 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.679 get calls from the cones, the CONIS offices say I 1143 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.719 just give you an example, Say Atlanta, Atlanta got a 1144 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.760 case and operation and they know these. 1145 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.280 Guys that are from. 1146 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.519 Saint Croix, and we'd be like, yeah, we know them, Yeah, 1147 00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.280 we know Jones, you know or you know whatever, and sure, 1148 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:44.599 sure and what we got we got them up. 1149 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.239 We got a warm up here for his rest, Like, well, 1150 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:48.880 what what do you got? 1151 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.159 And they would tell us, so we would kind of 1152 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.480 formulate a plan with our Saint Thomas office to try 1153 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.639 to end up sticking this guy not only in the Caribbean, 1154 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:00.920 but also hit him up in the Northern District of 1155 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.280 Georgia and of Atlanta. And that's the best way because 1156 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.719 we used to probably get these guys off the islands 1157 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.599 because even though you had federal court in Saint Croix 1158 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.119 and Saint Thomas who were coming into the jury pool, 1159 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.800 their fears, they're tied in he's my aunt, he's my uncle, 1160 00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:20.480 forget going to forget going to territorial court. 1161 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:22.960 They're gonna get off. So you have to take the 1162 00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:23.840 cases federal. 1163 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.760 And we would love to take them federal off another 1164 00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:29.800 jurisdics like the Eastern just Pennsylvania, so just to Florida, 1165 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.679 central Middle District of Florida. Uh, just to get them 1166 00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.000 off off the rock. And I'll tell you my people, 1167 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.920 my guys and gals, they were acist. Man, they were 1168 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:39.960 they were they were awesome. 1169 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:41.159 It was it was hard. 1170 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.360 It was hard when he came evaluation tied because everyone's 1171 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:48.000 going to know, man outstanding because it's it's just. 1172 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:49.000 Not what I had to do. 1173 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.079 What I have to do for so so so when 1174 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.320 they so you know, because I've heard in the past 1175 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.480 that that whether it's drugs or human trafficking or whatever, 1176 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.880 that even though there are different parties that are like 1177 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.159 responsible for that stuff, that they tend to follow the 1178 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.679 the same paths. And is it because of these like 1179 00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.079 sort of independent agents at whatever way stations or localities 1180 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:17.719 it is to just facilitate movement through borders or through 1181 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.400 through areas well. 1182 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.480 May bain thing when you're when you're talking different, you're 1183 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.559 different talking at different stages throughout right. 1184 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:26.519 Remember, they wall each other other off. They wall each 1185 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:26.880 other off. 1186 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.119 Okay, if you get caught with it, you don't know, 1187 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.559 I'm on the next the next leg, right, because we 1188 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:32.679 don't we don't want to be we don't want to 1189 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:33.679 know one another, we don't want to be that co 1190 00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.519 conspirator kind of stay away from one another. But yet 1191 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.599 you have situations where you know, as as as adult 1192 00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:43.119 moves further north in that Caribbean, it gets more and 1193 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.719 more expensive and and you know it's it's just like 1194 00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.119 that freighter captain that brought that load into Philadelphia. I mean, 1195 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.400 you don't think he was talked to man, you know, 1196 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.679 And He's like, you know, I have I have a 1197 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:56.719 I have a thousand fifty two foot containers on here. 1198 00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.000 I didn't know. I didn't check them all. I didn't 1199 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.719 check them all. So and that was going all the 1200 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:04.599 way to Montreal. Yeah, we haven't told that story yet 1201 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.360 on the show, so we should. Yeah. 1202 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.079 Uh, but I want to get yeah, I do want 1203 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:13.519 to get into that one. But there's also the assassination attempt. 1204 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:18.119 Yeah that's right, Yeah, assassination attempt. One one of my agents. 1205 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.199 I'll tell you what a hard working guy. This guy was, 1206 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.760 great guy. Former Aty's second airborne guy came Angel His 1207 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:24.679 he just uh. 1208 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:25.480 Just amazing. 1209 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:28.400 He's from Saint Croix. His family owns probably the best 1210 00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:30.519 restaurant on the island that deals with chicken. 1211 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:31.639 You know, you'll you'll love that. 1212 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:34.639 Type of chicken where it's just cooked on the open flame. 1213 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.280 We used to always called it get the Chicken on 1214 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.159 a Friday and at and so what happened was we 1215 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:43.880 were we were investigating an organization and the organization on 1216 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:48.119 the island they were dealing with getting their packages from 1217 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.039 down south, and they were also going against the the 1218 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.519 crew over the bbis named the Hawgs Crew. They were 1219 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.320 very very much battling it out. They were looking for 1220 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.760 total territorial They wanted to they want to be part 1221 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.360 of the the be all end all on that part 1222 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:07.920 of our region. So what happened was our guy Agent. 1223 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.320 And when I say agent, he's a dad. He's a 1224 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:16.119 deputized task force officer. Okay, Virgin Islands Police officer, a 1225 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:17.199 signed to my office. 1226 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.599 Great guy, well known, just just a tough, tough guy. 1227 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.519 What happens is his father is closing down the chicken 1228 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.159 shack they called the chicken chef. 1229 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.880 Well, Angel's father is driving. 1230 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.400 The son's pick up the miss the seniors driving the 1231 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.000 junior's pickup truck. Well, the gangster is they aren't the 1232 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:49.599 best intelligence or surveillance. They think it's the officer, the agent, 1233 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:50.119 let's call it. 1234 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:50.559 Okay. 1235 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.679 As the pickup truck leaves the location, is driving on 1236 00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:57.119 the left hand side of the road. 1237 00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:59.599 Now a picture of the Islands left hand side. 1238 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.519 Of the road, but you drive with the vehicle wheels 1239 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.280 on the left hand side as well, like in the States. 1240 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.719 So this other pickup truck comes up behind him cover 1241 00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.239 of darkness about midnight. He was going to the dump 1242 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:15.559 and throws some trash away, comes around and comes around 1243 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.559 on his passenger side. Two gunmen, automatic weapons stand up 1244 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.239 in the back of the truck. Sixty rounds two they 1245 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:27.639 counted sixty dolls, sixty rounds, thirty thirty and thirty at 1246 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.760 sixty rounds thirty rounds, thirty rounds total sixty. 1247 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.280 He was hit three times, sixty year old male two 1248 00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.519 two three rounds. The man survived. The only way he survived. 1249 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.840 He used to carry a snub nose thirty eight snubnose 1250 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:43.039 on his ankle. He fired over the hood of the 1251 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:47.039 car at them, didn't hit anybody, and they fled. He 1252 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.480 survived two three two two three rounds hit him and 1253 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.760 sixty different doals. That's the USBI. Well, when that happened, 1254 00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:02.039 Dave and Jack, it created a a firestorm. It created 1255 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:06.239 a firestorm on the island for the agencies. We were 1256 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:12.079 the lead agency. We brought more firepower in there than 1257 01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:16.159 you could imagine. We had all kinds of personnel DA, FBI, 1258 01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:20.840 US Marshals, atf Customs. We just brought it all in 1259 01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:24.800 and we sat on these personnel. Got this organization from 1260 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:29.639 January till about May, and the crime statistics went way down. 1261 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.840 Chief Francis Commissioner Francis loved us for it, and I 1262 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:38.000 said this, we cannot sustain this. And we were taking 1263 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:39.800 these and we were arresting these guys left and right 1264 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.760 because we had the wiretaps. 1265 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:47.480 We were kicking doors. It got so crazy. 1266 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.559 It got so crazy that the guys from the bv 1267 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.519 I were coming over and killing them. And I said, no, no, 1268 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.400 don't kill them because I need to do a pistol 1269 01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.079 history a rest for because if you're dead, I can't. 1270 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.119 I can't take you as a statistics it's a little joke. 1271 01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:05.480 It's a little joke. It's a little joke. But if 1272 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.519 they're dead, I can't. I can't take you as statistic. 1273 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:13.280 One in particular case, it's about eleven o'clock in the 1274 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.159 morning and there's one fella. He had these long dreads. 1275 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.960 And I get a call at the desk, a boss, Yes, Chris, 1276 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:26.519 what's up. You'll never guess who's laying in the doorway 1277 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.719 in his house? And I said who, and he says, 1278 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.599 blah blah blah. I said, I gotta come and see this. 1279 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:42.119 They had guys dressed in black masks on shotguns. He 1280 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.079 tries to run out the back door. Now minds you. 1281 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.360 It's a block home. There's no up and downstairs, no basement, 1282 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.039 it's just a block home. Man galvanised rouving. 1283 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.119 And you just sit in Africa and all that crazy stuff. 1284 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.159 He goes to run out the door, leaving his girlfriend 1285 01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.320 sitting there watching the price is right. He goes running 1286 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.280 out the door, him in the back boom boom, and 1287 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:03.880 his dreads were flipped over his head. He was crushing 1288 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.119 in the middle of the door. So great, Now I 1289 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.039 can't I can't take this guy's stash. 1290 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.920 So these other criminal elements were moving on these guys 1291 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:13.559 because absolutely. 1292 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.360 Absolutely they knew they weren't armed. 1293 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:18.119 We were doing their work for them. 1294 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.559 And one particular guy, the main guy, and I'll just 1295 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.119 say they call him the Godfather. 1296 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:29.960 He was in his He was basically standing in his yard. Now, 1297 01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:30.639 let's be honest. 1298 01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:33.480 The yard is chain League fans with dirt and a 1299 01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:38.039 little block building. He's on the phone and about right 1300 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:42.199 across the streets, boom boom, A K four seven is one. 1301 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:43.599 Then they had one of the chests dropped the mike there. 1302 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.440 He was still on the phone talking talking to his girlfriend. 1303 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.960 They found them holding the phone still. They went over 1304 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.559 starts to Bush where there was the case. So when 1305 01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.239 you talk about like, you know, was I worried about 1306 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.559 the family members. I worried about my wife, But I 1307 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:03.320 worried about the guys on the islands. 1308 01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:04.360 Oh my god. 1309 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:08.039 Yeah, absolutely, because they were out they were just just 1310 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:15.159 doing her crazy stuff. Fifty thousand populations, fifty thousand populations 1311 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.639 on the island, about one hundred murders a year. 1312 01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.559 Wow, related it's crazy. 1313 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.880 I mean one murder, one one particular shootout they had 1314 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.440 where I would turn to go home and I know 1315 01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:34.159 my wife in particular times she's at the gym and 1316 01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.000 I know she's finishing up, and I get. 1317 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:37.320 Her on the phone. 1318 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.960 I said, I said, worry, you said, I'm at the team. 1319 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.719 I said, stay there a little bit longer, do some 1320 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.760 more work on you know, on a stepper olliptical, doing 1321 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.000 signing out there a little bit longer because they were 1322 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.719 an investigating and shooting right at the intersection. Yeah, it's 1323 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:53.760 like whoa, but you know what we did a man 1324 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.960 a day to day at a Caribbean man division. 1325 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:02.639 And so around this timeframe also, I mean it's early 1326 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.119 two thousands. You want to tell us this this kind 1327 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.159 of humorous story, I guess about the internal affairs investigation. 1328 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.519 Ah jeez, Yeah, that that one I talk about because 1329 01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:17.920 you know, in my I said this earlier. If you're 1330 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.320 not doing your work, you're you're going to get an 1331 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.079 internal affair or what we call it o PR officer 1332 01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:27.360 fresh responsibility. And you know, I was good for my career. 1333 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:32.280 I didn't get any crazy stuff late on me or whatever. 1334 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.039 And I wasn't I was. 1335 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.079 I was any inspection division, but on the mister Meanings side, 1336 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:38.039 not the felonies on. 1337 01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:42.679 The felony side. So what happens is nine to eleven 1338 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.239 takes place. It's it's September two thousand and one, nine eleven, 1339 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:48.880 two thousand and one. Wife and I are coming back 1340 01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:51.679 from the in laws from Christmas. And now that's now 1341 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:55.880 this is going to be I guess in January of 1342 01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.639 two thousand and two. Well, the t didn't have their 1343 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:04.360 stuff all together at the time. They were just fairly new. 1344 01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:05.079 They were virgin. 1345 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:06.679 They didn't know what really was going on or how 1346 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.840 to treat law enforcement and how to treat passengers. And 1347 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.599 so I do my normal thing. And if you guys 1348 01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:14.039 don't know what we do, we got to move to 1349 01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:17.400 the side because we're going to be armed, we're gonna 1350 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.840 be to identify ourselves. And you know, signed a book 1351 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.039 in a whole bit in any airport, in any airport. 1352 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.920 And then my wife starts to go through regular screening. 1353 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:28.960 It's one fella. 1354 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.119 He worked for Kmart and he was the head of 1355 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.079 TSA for that and he basically came up hard on me, 1356 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.599 and if you know, highly qualified and I and I 1357 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:42.119 basically game the tin. I didn't I didn't shove it 1358 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.159 in his face. I didn't do anything magic. Well, we 1359 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.599 got through, we got through security. 1360 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:49.920 We get to the plane. 1361 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.360 We're going from phillip We're going from Harrisburg to Philly, Philly, 1362 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:53.920 down to Saint Croix. 1363 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:56.679 And I said to my wife, I said, that guy's 1364 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.320 gonna cause me trouble. He's gonna cause me trouble. I 1365 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.000 just felt in him my bones. I just felt it. 1366 01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:04.079 When I looked at the case file, and there was 1367 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.360 a case file on me, because it is there was 1368 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:07.880 a piece of paper eight and half. I eleve a 1369 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:10.559 white piece of paper ripped in half and a note 1370 01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.320 on it and said this agent was disrespectful to me. 1371 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.440 I got I got an investigation on an alley, crazy disrespectful. 1372 01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.519 It must have cost uncle, sound like two thousand dollars 1373 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:25.960 to do that to get me cleared with articulous kidd 1374 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.840 of me. So in my retirement party, I said, I 1375 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.239 told the crowd, I said, and I had one. I 1376 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.280 had one in frontal affairs investigation and I beat it. 1377 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.480 They're like, Matt Jack, what was I said, TSA case 1378 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:39.519 that doesn't count count. 1379 01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:40.800 That's funny. 1380 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.679 I there are a few other interesting things that happened, 1381 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:47.000 you know, throughout your career. 1382 01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:47.239 Here. 1383 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.840 Do you want to tell the story about your cooperation 1384 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.119 with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in tracking the freighter 1385 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:55.320 coming in from Venezuela. 1386 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.679 Yes, great, great case. Mike. 1387 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:02.079 Mike and Matt were both the case age and I 1388 01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.880 was like a third on it, and we had information 1389 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.920 that a freighter was coming out of Venezuela up to Philadelphia. 1390 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:09.840 Now we were working very closely. 1391 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.440 With not only DEA but also customs on the way, 1392 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:15.440 and that freighter was given basically a free reign on 1393 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:19.000 a controlled delivery covered by customs. Basically let it move 1394 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.320 up to Philadelphia to his destination and when it hits Philly, 1395 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:23.800 we're going to board the vestment. 1396 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.280 And that's what happened when when a vestment was. 1397 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.360 Being tracked all the way imagine it from all the 1398 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.679 way from Venezuela through the Cribean Sea, all the way 1399 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:35.039 up past Miami Fami, he's Philly. Well, when we end 1400 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:37.119 up hitting it, he didn't get in the continent, we 1401 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:40.480 do the container number pulled it out and then they 1402 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:42.400 had within two by fours. 1403 01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:48.199 The trafficking we're going to the distribution organization, traffic organization. 1404 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:53.239 Had one point one pound baggy stuff, not two point 1405 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:57.360 twos have kilos in boards for a total of over 1406 01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.239 one thousand pounds a thousand keys. 1407 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:04.639 Well that that tractor trailer took the trader or fifty 1408 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.039 two foot what do you call it? 1409 01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:12.079 Container cargo cardinal container was going to be taken to Montreal, 1410 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:16.399 Canada and handed off to the RCMP and also our 1411 01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:18.840 office in Montreal at the time, and it's going to 1412 01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:24.079 be in the cover where you are a driver. The 1413 01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:27.359 driver is you know, an unwinning driver. He's a professional 1414 01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:31.039 tractor trailer driver. And when that thing gets on his vehicle, 1415 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.960 on his track and his trailer, he's going And then 1416 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.479 I'll tell you what, Jack and Dave, you want to 1417 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.880 see a professional driver take off or he took off 1418 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.560 man and he drove and this guy who went to 1419 01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.640 stop where to stop to get that package? Get that 1420 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:49.520 load up to Montreal border. When we were going up 1421 01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:52.600 to the New York State threw away, a storm came in. 1422 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.560 We had we had a fixed wing covering it. We 1423 01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.159 were watching the fireflies up on night time and all that. 1424 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:00.680 We came up. 1425 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:03.199 They came upon a storm and the plane says that 1426 01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:05.319 we have to veer off. I can't go through the storm. 1427 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:06.119 I got to veer off. 1428 01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:09.720 Ground units. You take it, well, the ground unit's form 1429 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:14.720 close enough. Like talk about miscommunication. We basically lose the 1430 01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.520 tractor trailer for a period of time. We find that 1431 01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:20.239 truck stop on the left on the west side of 1432 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.479 the I guess it was the New York State. Threw 1433 01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:27.399 a un state eighty seven. We circle back around. He's 1434 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:28.119 pumping fuel. 1435 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:30.640 We found him. We found him. 1436 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:34.520 The bird goes and gets more, got more fuel as well, 1437 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.279 storm passes. He gets back up in the air. We 1438 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.039 moved back on the interstate. But before going on into 1439 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.159 the Interstate, I took a ball peen hammer and I 1440 01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:47.000 smashed a little little red light to make a white 1441 01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.720 light show through it. And I said, there's your beacon, man, 1442 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.880 and we followed that beacon up the Age State through 1443 01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:55.760 away until the storm did pass and we got up 1444 01:09:55.760 --> 01:10:00.760 to the the RCMP or a Canadian border, we how 1445 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:02.920 to give our weapons up. So we were pretty much like, 1446 01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.319 we're just kind of hanging out now. We can't do 1447 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.039 anyth because the RCMP won't allow us to bring the 1448 01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:07.800 weapons in the country. 1449 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.399 So that was one of the one of the UH. 1450 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.800 It was. It was a great investigation from not just 1451 01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:17.000 from from the guys down south to customs and US 1452 01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:20.039 in Philly, but to r CMP international case. You talk 1453 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:23.199 about an international case, and that was going to an organization, 1454 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:28.840 a bunch of gangsters, UH Italian gangsters up there in Canada. 1455 01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.680 And we stayed up there for the week and I 1456 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.359 think on the Thursday they did the takedown because how 1457 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:37.000 why did they do the takedown because when they broke in, 1458 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.079 we had they had the location wired up, and when 1459 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:41.840 they broke in the. 1460 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:46.960 Dope p se the wood, that's when it takedown to 1461 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:49.039 the place. And we were not part of it. 1462 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:50.319 We were not part of it, but it was the 1463 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:54.760 RCMP did a great job with that. Organizations is a 1464 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:55.760 dyning wite organization. 1465 01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.359 It's it's kind of I mean, if I understand the 1466 01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:01.680 concept of the operation correct, I mean, it is fascinating 1467 01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.560 that you guys knew this shipment was coming from Venezuela, 1468 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:08.079 tracked up to the United States, allowed it into the 1469 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:11.840 United States, drove it through the United States, crossed another 1470 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.119 international border into Canada, and then let the buy sort 1471 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.159 of pseudo take place, so that the Canadians could not 1472 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:22.000 only seize the drugs, but also arrest this local. 1473 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:24.640 And that's what you call that's what you call it 1474 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.880 international control delivery, International control delivery. Pretty, it's pretty hot, 1475 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.479 it's pretty it's it's one of those things that you 1476 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.640 have to get a certain approval and the higher higher 1477 01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:35.439 up's got to prove that. 1478 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:37.439 Yeah, because what's the what's the biggest thing that could 1479 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.560 possibly have you lose? You lose? 1480 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:44.359 Okay, so not a thousand keys a thousand, a thousand 1481 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:46.840 keys of coke for the right And people are like, 1482 01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.760 oh my god, you can't do that, you can't do that. Well, 1483 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:54.520 trust me, we we let it go. Being like it's 1484 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:55.960 on a boat. It's on a boat where it's going 1485 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.239 to go going into the water. You're gonna push the 1486 01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.239 car to the water, but go into the wall, let 1487 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:01.920 it get to port. 1488 01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:04.560 And that's when you take it. That's when you ended 1489 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:05.000 up taking it. 1490 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:09.319 And if you have to have right information, because if 1491 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:12.520 you see those freighters, and you've seen them, you know 1492 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.079 up in New York and Baltimore and New work up 1493 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.640 there in Jersey, they're stacked to the gills. 1494 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:20.840 Man, what's what equipment was tough in them. 1495 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:24.199 You got to know what number and you gotta know 1496 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:26.840 what Once they start moving all that stuff out, it's 1497 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:29.399 like moving chess pieces, like, yeah, you get to the 1498 01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.760 right one and you can run dogs all over them. 1499 01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:34.479 Those poochas are gonna are gonna be burned out before 1500 01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:35.000 they find it. 1501 01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:38.119 And and that's and that's basically I keep saying, customers, 1502 01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:42.319 I'm an old school guy. Customers, how it's Homeland Security, 1503 01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:44.119 customs and border protection. 1504 01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:47.560 God, there's so many other alphabets out there now. I 1505 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:49.039 gotta be honest. 1506 01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:51.840 I know my normal E A F B, I A 1507 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:56.920 T f uh C I A you know, I marshals. 1508 01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.600 So but to do that, it was was quite quite 1509 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.640 a quite an entertaining feet to say. And as a 1510 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:06.479 bottom line, no one got hurt, No one got hurt. 1511 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:09.000 That's always we do safety safety safety. 1512 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.880 What is sort of like for you guys for your hires, 1513 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:14.359 Like what is the. 1514 01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:17.640 Risk analysis because you because like you say, you know, 1515 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.159 whether it's you guys kicking drugs out into the ocean 1516 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.000 in order for you know, in order to identify the 1517 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.039 pickup crew or you know, or allowing the shipman to 1518 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:30.399 come in. Because we see like the atf Fast and 1519 01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:33.720 Furious right where they tried an operation and lost track 1520 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.399 of everything. 1521 01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:39.199 So like what weapons? Yeah, yeah, so like that one. 1522 01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:41.079 I cannot speak on I do know that was not 1523 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:43.520 it was not a good thing, but right I don't 1524 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.680 not necessarily for you to speak on on that. But 1525 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:49.840 you guys are engaged in similar types of operations where 1526 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:54.760 there's a certain element of the unknown where you know, 1527 01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:58.119 if you do lose the eyeball or something like that happens, 1528 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.600 or if they do something that maybe you know that 1529 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.960 changes up their pattern of life where it's like this, 1530 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:05.720 we didn't expect them to do. 1531 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:07.760 This, and now we don't know where they are. 1532 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:09.079 Like how does that? 1533 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:13.239 What's the risk mitigation type for you guys, for your 1534 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:18.560 for your hires, do do like do uh does the 1535 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:19.800 you know exact level. 1536 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:22.279 Sometimes get cold feet when it comes to this kind 1537 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:22.640 of stuff. 1538 01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:24.800 I mean, that's a great that's a great question, David. 1539 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.479 I mean, you know, it depends on you know what 1540 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.720 there goes. That was saying risk versus reward. You know, 1541 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:32.479 always always err on the side of always err on 1542 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.000 the side of caution. And I get it with with 1543 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.840 the higher ups. I became not not that higher up. 1544 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:39.800 And you know, those guys are in the ses levels 1545 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:42.479 making those decisions for extra twelve thousand dollars year, and 1546 01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:44.560 they're all getting gray hairs and they're getting heavy set 1547 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.319 in the bellies because they can't do anything but being 1548 01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:48.520 the obsta like, oh my god, what am I gonna 1549 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:49.680 What am I gonna do? How do I do this? 1550 01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:55.680 But I do believe that I may boast a little bit, 1551 01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:57.000 I do believe. 1552 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:01.439 That the DA and what we do, training and knowledge 1553 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.319 and lessons learned, we have seen it and done it. 1554 01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:08.720 But then again, we've done all kind of trickery stuff 1555 01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.279 and all kind of great things, and and it works out. 1556 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.439 I mean, yes, we might lose. I hate to say 1557 01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:16.039 the word lose. 1558 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:20.560 Yes, you might lose. I'll be honest. In Baltimore, I'm 1559 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:22.920 up in Baltimore. I'm first out of the Caribbean Division. 1560 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:28.880 Now I'm used to dealing with major loads. I go 1561 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:32.279 now from the Caribbean Division as the resonators are, to 1562 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:37.279 Baltimore as a group supervisor. Another wonderful group group six 1563 01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:43.359 sixteen weapons carriers, Baltimore City guys, Baltimore County State guys. 1564 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:49.960 And one of the first missions during the week, they 1565 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.800 want to go out and do a control delivery. Oh 1566 01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:55.680 my god, I said, okay, well, we want to go 1567 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.960 and do a control delivery. Okay, now I'm thinking control 1568 01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:02.560 delivery Caribbean the vision. I'm thinking multiple keys, you know, 1569 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.520 when whatever, whatever. Well, they got a packet from the 1570 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:10.279 FedEx fed X. They used to hit the FedEx places 1571 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:12.920 and they end up getting like it was like ten 1572 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.560 pounds a weed. They wanted to control the delivery this 1573 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.039 and I'm like, no, you gotta be kidding me, because 1574 01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:19.479 I even said that. 1575 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:20.880 I said, well, what do you got? I got, but 1576 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:22.279 you got a couple hundred punds? What do you want 1577 01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:22.520 to do here? 1578 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:26.319 How much is ten pounds? I'm not being disrespectful to 1579 01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.039 the guys. When I show it up, I was like, 1580 01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.159 what I mean? Because I was used to. 1581 01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:33.319 Working with. 1582 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.199 You know, it's like you guys, you guys are used 1583 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:38.000 to work with the former you know, you know former 1584 01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:40.600 you know Tier two operators and then you know two 1585 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:42.359 or one operators And I was, and they say, yeah, 1586 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:43.319 go and teach these guys. 1587 01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:45.199 Go work with these guys from the National Guard. 1588 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:47.880 Here. You're like, what you know, You're like, no disrespect, 1589 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.520 but you know, I'm not saying you're you're dumb and 1590 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:51.640 you're dumbin us down. 1591 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.560 But it's like, are you sure you want me to 1592 01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:54.920 do this? 1593 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:55.319 Right? 1594 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:57.439 So I what I what I did for the guys. 1595 01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:58.880 I want to see how you're going to operate. I 1596 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:01.239 want to see I are gonna operates as a former coach, 1597 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:03.279 as a teacher. I want to see how they are 1598 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.720 going to operate versus my other how we operated in 1599 01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.520 phill Lee and Allentown and down in the Caribbean. 1600 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:08.560 How are you going to operate? 1601 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:13.640 Well, let's let's say it didn't go somewhere because the 1602 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:16.800 gentleman in the back missed the eyeball and the crook 1603 01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:19.720 went out the back with the ten ten pounds of grass, right, 1604 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:21.119 and guess. 1605 01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:23.079 Who had to write a memo? Oh no, not the boss, 1606 01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:23.479 not me. 1607 01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:26.359 It was a case agent, and then the poort and 1608 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:28.800 and the boss there was like what what what I'm like, 1609 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:31.800 it's ten pounds of grass, ten pounds of a marawah. 1610 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:32.439 No one got hurt. 1611 01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:35.039 Yeah, you know, but that's a great question you had 1612 01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:37.720 they But honest to god, you try to do all, 1613 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:40.000 you take all the all the bull out of it, 1614 01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:41.359 you try to whittle it down. 1615 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:47.319 You're still gonna get issues. And then you guys know dangers. 1616 01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:49.439 I mean, you're you're in the swamp somewhere, you're doing 1617 01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:51.199 something crazy and you're not supposed to do it. And 1618 01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:52.960 this guy's old there, you know, doing something you're not 1619 01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:53.640 supposed to be doing. 1620 01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:54.760 It's like, did you see that? 1621 01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:56.159 No? I didn't see that. You know you need to 1622 01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.439 cover your six No I missed it. Yeah, well now 1623 01:17:58.479 --> 01:17:59.279 you guys all killed. 1624 01:17:59.560 --> 01:17:59.760 Yeah. 1625 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.840 But bottom line with that though, and that's a great, 1626 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:07.119 great question. That's the only time and I'm and I'm 1627 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.600 running up to God, I was for in front of court. 1628 01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.199 Is the only time I was ever used. I was 1629 01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:15.359 part of dope being lost. 1630 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:16.800 Yeah, was a mirror. 1631 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.520 Was a mirror A couple pounds of grass in Baltimore 1632 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:22.880 and the guys felt terrible. They felt terrible. Yeah, I said, 1633 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.119 I said, next week, we're doing it, and we're gonna 1634 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.680 have remedial training and we're gonna do it again, you know. 1635 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.199 And and then they honored that. They they they were 1636 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:33.079 honored because I didn't say no, no more, no more, 1637 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:37.439 no more, no not doing that. Another uh something else 1638 01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:37.920 that happened. 1639 01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:40.159 I think in the latter part of your career, you 1640 01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:44.079 were involved in the investigation where there's a helicopter crash 1641 01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:46.720 where a bunch of DA agents were lost. 1642 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:50.920 Ye tell us, Wow, good, good one there jack yep, 1643 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.319 good one. Yeah, that was that's gonna tie that's gonna 1644 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:56.479 tie into what you my friends were part of. 1645 01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:01.920 And basically Special Forces five Special Team. Excuse me, I'm 1646 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.479 going to get the right terminology for you. You are, 1647 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:07.920 I'm gonna I'm gonna get my notes here. One second, 1648 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:12.720 fifth Group, fifth group. You have to Respecial Forces Group five, 1649 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.560 fifth Group. And of course you were over there in 1650 01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:21.039 Southeast Central Asia and Middle East. And basically what happens 1651 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:24.479 was our guys would always work with the o DA 1652 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:28.279 Operation Attachment Alpha five ninety five, which would be the 1653 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.399 fast or if they weren't fast, it was just basically 1654 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.039 some of our guys out there with the bazaars, you know, 1655 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:36.640 burn Burn burnon the heroin and. 1656 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:39.560 Ad and very sad for DA. 1657 01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:42.279 If anyone wants to look this up COVERD twenty six 1658 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.520 and nine we left. Three of our a's were killed 1659 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.079 and also seven military person were killed because of a 1660 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:50.920 c forty seven were shot down. And I mean that 1661 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.119 comes close to your hearts to guys because of the 1662 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:55.840 fact that you know, being for a military and it 1663 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.159 was during you know, and there was another one night 1664 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:00.439 mission and there was an hour long gun fight. 1665 01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.239 They got up on that bird and it crashed. 1666 01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:06.960 We lost three agents, lost three agents, and if I 1667 01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:08.800 may be, if I may be so as well, this 1668 01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:10.439 is losing personnel. 1669 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:12.680 You know, there's. 1670 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.760 In DA headquarters as are called Wall of Honor, and 1671 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:18.880 that Wall of Honors you know in Arlington, Virginia, in 1672 01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:24.000 our headquarters, and when we came over and from into DEA, 1673 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:29.399 we've had fifty four, fifty four DA personal killed and 1674 01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:31.359 their portraits are on that wall. 1675 01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.079 Fifty four and that's rough, man, that's rough. 1676 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:38.079 I mean, I know, uh Cia, Dave, they'll like to 1677 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:39.520 put the stars up and all that stuff. 1678 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:42.399 And one thing is that you have a situation where 1679 01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:46.039 you have fifty four just killed. I mean all kinds. 1680 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.039 I'll be so bold. My roommate in the Academy, God 1681 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:51.319 rest his soul. Eugene T. McCarthy. Please look him up. 1682 01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:52.199 Eugene T. McCarthy. 1683 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:55.520 He was killed February second, nineteen ninety one. He was 1684 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:57.840 a number one student in our class, Naval Academy graduate 1685 01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:00.840 major in the Marine Corps. He was a signed where 1686 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:04.560 San Diego office. He was in, of course snow Cap 1687 01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:06.119 at the time, and his unit got called up for 1688 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:06.840 the First Golf War. 1689 01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:07.720 Oh wow. 1690 01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:10.359 He was a Cobra. It was a Cobra gun chappella 1691 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:11.000 company Platoff. 1692 01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:12.000 And I shared this with you. 1693 01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.079 I share it with people because I honor him. I 1694 01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:17.359 honored it. I honor him very much. And he's it 1695 01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:18.359 was a book of the New York Kids. 1696 01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:22.800 Seventy fifth Precincts a Calgary cemetery is buried in And 1697 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.720 what happened was was he was running one of the 1698 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:30.720 marines coming out of Iraq February two, nineteen ninety one, 1699 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:33.359 and as Cobrag was getting in trouble, and that's a 1700 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:36.199 gun ship night vision gog was on first first the 1701 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:41.119 year or first you know generation nightgggle visions smashes his chopper, 1702 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.800 pitches it into the sand. They didn't have the neck brace, 1703 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:47.560 they didn't have the harness to the helmets like Nashcar 1704 01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:50.319 they do now, and all that fancy stuff snapped both 1705 01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:52.600 of them. Him and him and his captain, his gunner 1706 01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:55.720 were both killed. When they went out to find him 1707 01:21:56.439 --> 01:21:58.520 the next morning, there were there. He was just like 1708 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:02.239 they looked like they're sleeping. Jean was this number one student. 1709 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:03.640 You got to pick where he wanted to go. He 1710 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:06.800 wanted to go back to San Diego. Wonderful man, wonderful, 1711 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:08.720 wonderful felt. You know, I still have his phone numbers. 1712 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:10.560 I still have his phone numbers from his phone and 1713 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.199 all that shit is his residentive than Carlos back California. 1714 01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:16.720 And and I honored a guy because you know, you think, well, 1715 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:18.600 and who's these guys? If they get kills, it is 1716 01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:19.159 it dangerous? 1717 01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:19.399 Yeah? 1718 01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:22.560 Even though he was not killed on a DA mission, right, 1719 01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:24.279 but he had raised his hand because he was in 1720 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:25.399 the reserves. 1721 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:27.560 He's unit got called up and he went to another 1722 01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:29.880 hot spot in the OORL to serve a country. 1723 01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:31.840 And you know one thing I like to say, is 1724 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:33.960 there's a there's an author named Joseph Campbell, you know 1725 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:36.960 Joseph Campbell. And I just found this today and I 1726 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.960 was thinking about it. I said, he once wrote, a 1727 01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:42.960 hero is someone who has given his or her life 1728 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:46.920 to someone bigger than his oneself. Think about that, bigger 1729 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:49.720 than his one self. And the hero is with and 1730 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:52.000 the book that he wrote about that is the hero 1731 01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:55.479 with a thousand face of nineteen forty nine, you know. 1732 01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:57.399 And that's true because you guys probably know the same 1733 01:22:57.800 --> 01:22:58.560 same guys. Man. 1734 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.520 They give their stuff up for wife and limb man, 1735 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:02.079 they do it. 1736 01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.960 And we've had we've had agents wiped out in five 1737 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:08.000 of them, crashed in the amount of Peru. We've had 1738 01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:10.960 agents undercover, you know, up in your place. Everett Hatcher 1739 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.840 undercover deal killed. There's a street name after every New 1740 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:17.199 York Field Division Office guy. I mean, there was a 1741 01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:20.319 New York State trooper killed Syracuse guy. I'm not going 1742 01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.560 and down the list, but I want people to realize 1743 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.159 that this is not a job that's like all finny 1744 01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:28.199 games and all that stuff. No, man, it's it's it's crazy. 1745 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:31.159 It's absolutely crazy. Let me put a light on a minute. 1746 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:38.039 Let me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, please does that help? Is 1747 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.239 that not well a little bit? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1748 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:45.840 there you go. Yeah, that's great. That'll do it. 1749 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:49.760 So Jack, tell us a little bit about sort of 1750 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.119 like your career winding down in retirement. 1751 01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:55.560 We're winding down in retirement. So here's a here's a 1752 01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:59.640 funny one for you. You know, I'm in Baltimore. I'm 1753 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:00.720 in Ball, Baltimore, and. 1754 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:05.319 You do your your do your How can I put this? 1755 01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:08.520 You do your supervisory supervisory out in the street, your 1756 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.279 supervisory time in the street, which I did. 1757 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.159 I did a number of years in croy Ford and 1758 01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:15.079 then three in Baltimore. 1759 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:16.640 So I was the boss down the field in two 1760 01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:20.439 separate assignments for almost over seventy years. Most guys'll get 1761 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:22.439 into headquarters about you know, after four years, but I 1762 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:22.880 had to do. 1763 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.920 It was a long list and I missed where it 1764 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:29.920 just started, the program just started. So I had to wait. 1765 01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:31.479 So I got called in. 1766 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:35.079 I had to go into my former sack, the former 1767 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:37.760 boss boss the Caribean. 1768 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:40.680 Division named Roger. He sees my name in the list. 1769 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:41.520 He's not like the number. 1770 01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:45.560 He was like the chief inspector, the chief operation. I 1771 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:47.439 can't ready to remember he was up there though he 1772 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:52.079 was a heavy. He calls me, he says, Jack. He says, 1773 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:53.880 I see your names on the list. He says, uh, 1774 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:57.399 of course, I'd like you to come into the inspection division. 1775 01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:00.199 And I'm like, oh, man, inspections, as I said, Jesus said, 1776 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:02.119 he said, I want you to go to OPR, which 1777 01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:04.720 our internal affairs. And I said, oh, boss, and I 1778 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:08.439 really don't. Don't you want to be doing guys in 1779 01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:10.840 internal affairs and all that. He goes, Okay, we're going 1780 01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:11.600 to inspectasta. 1781 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:15.199 So we have a mister mean. We have the Felony 1782 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:16.640 squad and the mistermeanor squad. 1783 01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:18.479 So I went to the mister Minor squad, which was 1784 01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:21.560 more of like you go to the offices, you inspect things, 1785 01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:22.800 make sure all the pencils are. 1786 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:24.760 Counted, all the cars are in order. 1787 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:26.840 But you travel the world. You know it's a little boring, 1788 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:28.720 but you travel the world. So I'm thinking, now, you 1789 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.840 know two things I hate two things. I became a 1790 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:36.319 newspaper reporter, writing all the time, and then I became 1791 01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:37.239 a travel agent. 1792 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:40.399 I'm always on the road. I was gone for you know, 1793 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:41.159 fifty two weeks. 1794 01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:44.359 I'm gone for Oh my gosh, thirty some weeks for 1795 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.680 the fifty two weeks on the road inspecting and did it. 1796 01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:51.119 For five years. Five years. I clank it out, clean 1797 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:56.239 it out and meaning to another assignment. And I learned 1798 01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:56.520 a lot. 1799 01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:00.600 I can tell you every every darn you know, flast 1800 01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.520 of uh you know different settings that there's thirty four 1801 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:08.600 of this or thirty that or every Yeah, I mean 1802 01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:12.000 here you go from it being a gunslinger, so like 1803 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:15.680 a in the economy pencils. Yeah, can you know did 1804 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.880 you sign that in red pen or blue pen? And uh, 1805 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:20.359 maybe I shouldn't say this, but we used to have 1806 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:23.319 a little we used to have a little game we 1807 01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:25.720 play and the game when you play with a couple 1808 01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:28.920 of agent inspectors. Now I remember we were all Boston. 1809 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:31.319 The field ran our own offices or you ran your 1810 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:34.000 own groups. Now they bring you in the headquarters and 1811 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:38.039 they put in inspections. Yes, it was a prestigious very much, 1812 01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:41.359 so very much, very much prestigious. Absolutely, shirt and tie 1813 01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:43.560 you have to you know, lace it up and all 1814 01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:45.520 that stuff. And I don't mind getting dressed if I 1815 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.760 call it the Superman outpage and put the Superman costume on. 1816 01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.199 And uh so we used to have a little thing. 1817 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:54.720 We go to let's say we're inspecting the Philadelphia Field 1818 01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:58.199 Divisional office and we roll into like an army, you know, 1819 01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:00.640 forty inspectors come in because it's a big it's a 1820 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.600 it's a big operation, so you have to do certain things. 1821 01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:07.600 So we used to have we used to to call yeah, interviews, 1822 01:27:07.720 --> 01:27:09.279 you have to interview the employee. And it was an 1823 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:09.920 interview sheet. 1824 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:11.800 You have a sheet. Yeah, you have a sheet. 1825 01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:15.039 You bring the person in and fill your badge, gun, creds, 1826 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.319 credit card, you know, charge's license, and then a couple 1827 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:20.720 of questions Jason. So we used to time ourselves to 1828 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.119 see would have the who would have the most the 1829 01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:27.359 fastest interviews done and conducted for that particular assignment. 1830 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:29.319 Just a freaking ward. 1831 01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:32.880 Off the the monotony sometimes, you know, it's just like wow, 1832 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:35.640 you know, I used to be somebody, you know, Yeah, 1833 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:40.560 nice for listening to that story. 1834 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.520 But then I went over to the Version division. I 1835 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.199 finally got out of inspection. I really learned a lot 1836 01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:48.920 in the year I was there. 1837 01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:52.760 If you guys remember the the K the K two 1838 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:55.600 and the spice craziness, the Pope Purrida that people were 1839 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:56.800 smoking and making this crazy. 1840 01:27:57.119 --> 01:27:58.880 Yeah, yeah, I was. I was on ad things for 1841 01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:01.560 a year and I learned a lot about it. All 1842 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:02.840 I knew was it was. 1843 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:05.399 Dealt with the thac of the marijuana and people are 1844 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:07.880 smoking freaking potpourri and making them crazy, are jumping out 1845 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.239 bridge and run around running out no clothes on. 1846 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:12.960 It's like, oh God. So then I finally had a 1847 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:14.039 contact in our. 1848 01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:18.319 Operations division, the Operations division, and I was able to 1849 01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:20.840 get out of there and I went to operations and 1850 01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:23.920 operations was was great. I was in the Mexico, Central 1851 01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:27.720 America Canada section. Can't stand enough about those guys and gals. 1852 01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:29.479 Uh, probably the busiest in. 1853 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:33.399 My opion, the busiest, as I said, we're all busy, 1854 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:36.680 but I think I'm just going to say that, probably 1855 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:39.479 the busiest in headquarters and raised at the operations division. 1856 01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.880 Then I oversaw the offices up in Canada, but yet 1857 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:47.119 helping with the Mexico in the seventh cent time country offices. 1858 01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:49.680 But my main focus was the office up in Canada, 1859 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:52.800 which we have an office in Vancouver and Ottawa. We 1860 01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:56.359 closed down the Montreal office and they were great people. 1861 01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:59.880 And all you're doing there is catching catching. You're like, 1862 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:01.720 what do you need I need tank graph for an 1863 01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:06.359 operation some year operational plan. So and after that about 1864 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.760 a year Jack and a year Dave, about a year 1865 01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:13.000 out for retirement. Mandatory time at fifty seven, the hrgus 1866 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:15.840 just tap on the shoulder and they say time, look 1867 01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:18.840 at the paperwork. Tind to look at the paperwork. And 1868 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:22.600 you're like, what you're like, mandatory retirements coming coming in 1869 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:26.600 twelve months. I'm like, really, So when you're you're done, 1870 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.279 I mean, you're finished. I mean, yeah, it's it's a 1871 01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:32.319 good ride. I had thirty two and you know, I 1872 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.680 just I mean it was I missed it though. I 1873 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:39.720 mean I missed the people. I missed the hunt. I 1874 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.119 do miss the hunting. And what I'm like, what gets 1875 01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:45.439 me is is and you guys notice too. The GP, 1876 01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:48.600 we call the GP the general public General PUG doesn't 1877 01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:51.039 know a darn thing what you were capable of doing. 1878 01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.800 You just you're just a guy in the beach, or 1879 01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:57.159 you're a guy in the jim pumping iron, or you're 1880 01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:59.439 a guy in a bar with you know, having having 1881 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.000 a drink and anything I want to see, I want 1882 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:03.520 to see about it. 1883 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:04.600 Maybe we should try this guy. 1884 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:06.760 Well, let me say, bro, come on and try it, 1885 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:09.039 because I might be going to do sixty three years old, 1886 01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:09.640 but you know we can. 1887 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:11.319 I can still roll a little bit, you know. 1888 01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.680 And but he just you know, he's just like they don't. 1889 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.640 They don't get it, man, and and and and the 1890 01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:20.720 bottom is is the bottom line is that we know 1891 01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:23.560 what we've done. And that's that's good for me. And 1892 01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.760 I know what I was was part of. You guys 1893 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:29.760 know what you were part of. And it's a it's 1894 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:31.880 a great feeling. It's a great feeling. We we served 1895 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.159 this country. We we did right for this country. We 1896 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.560 did some great things for this country. And some of 1897 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:39.680 some of our people, some of our friends didn't. Didn't 1898 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:40.520 didn't make it back. 1899 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:41.159 Man, they didn't. 1900 01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:44.000 They got shot up or we're dealing with ailments or 1901 01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:47.199 dealing with PTSD because they got a I got the 1902 01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:49.720 gun in the rib that age twenty five. I think 1903 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:51.520 if I would have got that in later in life, 1904 01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:53.239 I think I've been a little more me. 1905 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:56.000 Yeah. I just like I'm invincent. I can I can 1906 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.680 deal with that. I'm good. You know, you want to 1907 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:00.720 seem I'm good. I'm good. Rip, I'm good, my boss, 1908 01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:01.560 I'm good. You know. 1909 01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:02.680 So do it. 1910 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.319 Yeah, I just wanted to be I wanted to make 1911 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:09.680 sure because uh you mentioned this before the show. 1912 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:11.479 How did you find out or how did you uh 1913 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:14.039 come to email us? I want to make sure you 1914 01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:15.479 give a shout out. 1915 01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:17.640 I'm gonna give a I'm gonna give a shout out 1916 01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:21.880 to my neighbor, my neighbor. Uh Nick, who's my beat 1917 01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:24.319 neighbor here. He was the one that said, is you 1918 01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:27.920 listen to these guys on uh, you know, on the 1919 01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:28.439 Team House. 1920 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.640 I go out of New York City, go Team House. No, 1921 01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:33.760 let me check Team House out. 1922 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:37.560 So I did, and I said okay, And I did 1923 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:39.680 some magic with some guy guy in New York and 1924 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.199 I did some other things and man, we got you 1925 01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:43.600 got me on and I and I love it. 1926 01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:46.560 I love it. I honor you guys, man, I honor you. 1927 01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:49.319 And like I said, I'm not looking All I'm looking for, man, 1928 01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:53.680 is is to let people know that there's guys like 1929 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:55.840 you doing what you guys did, and there's guys like 1930 01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.960 myself who did it, and there's people that are doing 1931 01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:01.039 it because is not an easy life. 1932 01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:04.560 And I'll tell you the spouses. You talk about rate of. 1933 01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:11.960 Divorce and alcoholism and crazy stuff on our job. Yeah, 1934 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.039 trust me, it's it's there, and you got to be 1935 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.479 really strong and some of these things. I was watching 1936 01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:20.239 Joe Rogue and he had this one guy on one 1937 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:22.399 day and he was an undercover guy and he was 1938 01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:24.560 all dolled up with his tats on him and then 1939 01:32:24.840 --> 01:32:26.600 you know, he was he was well spoken, he was 1940 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.439 doing his thing, and he said, how do you turn 1941 01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:29.880 it off? 1942 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.920 Dude? Man, you just got to compartmentalize. You just can't. 1943 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:36.640 It's just and I like what he said, you know, 1944 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:38.920 but it's just like, you know, you could be driving 1945 01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:42.399 home in a BMW convertible. 1946 01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:43.920 I was my g car and Philadel, you have to 1947 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:45.359 put that out there. I have to put that out 1948 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:47.640 BMW convertible who seized it off? 1949 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:51.920 A kid who delivered a kilo a crack quilo a 1950 01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:55.319 crack man thirty four ounce baggies kilo. 1951 01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:57.359 A crack took his card three thousand miles and I 1952 01:32:57.399 --> 01:32:57.880 still remember it. 1953 01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:00.920 And you're driving home in a BMW can vertical and 1954 01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:04.079 you're living in Princeton, New Jersey with your beautiful wife 1955 01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:06.800 and she's working in Manhattan. She's doing her thing, and 1956 01:33:06.920 --> 01:33:09.159 you know, just the night usually likes at four o'clock 1957 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:11.680 in the morning and you just kicked kicked a couple 1958 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:13.319 of doors in because it was a round we call 1959 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:14.079 them round ups. 1960 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:19.439 And you successfully no issues, you know, you no issues, 1961 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:22.279 and you come home and then the thing he's gonna 1962 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:25.640 say is, what do you want to do for dinner tonight? Yeah, 1963 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.359 you're like, oh my god, I don't know. What do 1964 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:29.800 you want to go to? 1965 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:31.600 That time place in downtown Perston? What do you want 1966 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:31.960 to do? You know? 1967 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:35.399 Yeah, so you guys felt this, some guys felt tell 1968 01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:37.319 us a little bit about like where you're at today, 1969 01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:38.000 what you're up to. 1970 01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:41.800 Now right right today? You know, I come across different things. 1971 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:46.399 Uh, you know, podcasting I'll do I'll do some motivational talks, 1972 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:48.920 you know, the different groups. Uh. I just actually if 1973 01:33:48.920 --> 01:33:50.720 you got if you got any hooks, man, I just 1974 01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:54.319 put in for American All American Entertainment Public Speaking Bureau. 1975 01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:55.279 You got the hooks? 1976 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:56.279 You know that yet me? 1977 01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:59.680 I just sent this stuff into them, and uh yeah, 1978 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:01.560 I mean I think there's enough in my in my 1979 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:02.640 pool bag that I. 1980 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:04.840 Can uh, I can hold it can hold an audience. 1981 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:08.880 I think I think I think, well that's amazing. But 1982 01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:12.319 you're also just and I mean, it's amazing that you 1983 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:16.279 you know, how long you served. And usually like when 1984 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:18.680 people tell, you know, when when a lot of people 1985 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:21.079 think of the retirement, they're thinking they're counting the days, 1986 01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:23.600 and here, you know, you wake up one day and 1987 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:26.520 hr saying, oh god, you know it's time. 1988 01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:29.760 You're like, wait a minute, hold on, you know, really, 1989 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:32.479 you know, Dave, thank you very much. And and and Jack, 1990 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:35.960 I tell you I didn't like that. I didn't like it. 1991 01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:39.840 I didn't like it. Yeah, I knew, I knew, you know, 1992 01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:41.159 I just I didn't like it. 1993 01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:43.720 I just people say to me, you know, why don't 1994 01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:45.720 you move to the next level? Why just you know what? 1995 01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:49.520 I was content where I was. I didn't want to, 1996 01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:51.079 you know, I didn't want to be one of these 1997 01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:51.640 guys that. 1998 01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:56.920 You know, some guys chased the carriage. I don't want 1999 01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:59.159 to be that guy chasing the carriage. It chases the 2000 01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:02.399 carrot four PCSS and I got the q s. I 2001 01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.640 qs eyes are like quality step increases for for exempt 2002 01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:08.640 you know, ext extra exemptional work you get in in 2003 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:09.119 the division. 2004 01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:10.920 I got one in Philly, one in Quantico, one in 2005 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:11.600 Saint Croix. 2006 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.520 And and then I just I just felt like I 2007 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:20.279 was like done, Like I was like finished. Man, all 2008 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:22.840 all of this stuff they put into you, all of 2009 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:25.680 this uh great training. Man. 2010 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:26.680 I love traying. 2011 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:28.399 I can't tell you how many rounds, and you know, 2012 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:30.880 like eve into this day. I still carry the same 2013 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.319 weapons I carried the job. I carried my my nine 2014 01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:38.319 millimeter as my glock nine mm certified to carry it. 2015 01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:41.439 I carried as I was my backup weapon. My point 2016 01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:43.279 glock twenty two was the duty weapon. I had to 2017 01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:45.680 turn that in. I still got a tackle twelve gate 2018 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:47.640 shot and I boxed myself. I got an M four 2019 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:51.880 five point five six. I've been on those weapons, you know, and. 2020 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:54.359 Trust me, you meet me in person, you see my lives, 2021 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:55.960 you'd be like, no ways. 2022 01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:58.319 I got a barrelsucker and I called a barttlsluckers because 2023 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:00.800 I you couldn't tell me about lots of ten point 2024 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:01.760 five millimeter barrel. 2025 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:04.279 I show blocks and range that pushed the round. What 2026 01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:07.199 are you talking about? Put the man in walking load 2027 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:09.119 bam bam, bam, bam bam. You know, and that's yeah work, 2028 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:13.039 gunshoot gun good. Yeah, I got gun shoot gun good. Yeah, yeah, 2029 01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:16.920 I love that gun shoot gone good. You know. But 2030 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:19.039 I try to do that. 2031 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:22.319 I try to keep in touch with some uh personnel 2032 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:26.119 that I worked with on the job. I try to 2033 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:29.840 keep in touch with people that this wold blow away. 2034 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.279 And I know my wife told me not don't get 2035 01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:33.640 any of your personal talking, but I'm gonna tell you anyway. 2036 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:39.079 Every year, every year, the nineteen seventy nine Marion Colge 2037 01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:44.000 football seniors, there's eighteen of us. We get together every 2038 01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:48.880 First Saturday in October football reunion back in near Allentown, Pennsylvania. 2039 01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:50.880 That's fantastic. Is that freaking cool? 2040 01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:54.000 And every year we give back to the football current 2041 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.319 football program. It's a private school. I'm a pro co 2042 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.399 kid from from you know, from first grade eight twelfth grade. 2043 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:01.199 I went to private school. My dad was a public 2044 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:01.760 school teacher. 2045 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:05.079 And he's like, he's like, you know, I can't send 2046 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:06.760 them my kids there. You gonna go to private school. Man. 2047 01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:10.239 Me and my myself, my two sisters. This year, our 2048 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.760 gift which we all present to the team. They have 2049 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:14.640 like a they have a locker room called the Blue Room. 2050 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:17.319 We are going to give them a fifty five inch 2051 01:37:17.359 --> 01:37:21.520 color TV. We're gonna give them a drink refrigerator. Drink 2052 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:25.079 for drinks, a PlayStation with an extra controller, and Madden 2053 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:26.319 Football games. 2054 01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:28.880 Kids are are the kids are gonna freaking die. And 2055 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.760 we we blowed him away every year, one way, every year. 2056 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:34.279 You know. And last year we bought them plates, blue 2057 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:38.920 and gold rubberized plates, and and these blue and gold 2058 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:43.199 rubberized plates are not cheap from tight and fitness from 2059 01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:46.119 the forty five and twenty five or thirty fives. They 2060 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:49.680 were like wow, because remember Catholic schools. 2061 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:54.920 You know, it's yeah, they're going some that you're playing 2062 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:56.239 on them. Yeah yeah, yeah. 2063 01:37:56.800 --> 01:38:02.840 So and then one year, my good buddy, we got 2064 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:05.640 them this thing called the soundbox. You know what a soundboxes. 2065 01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:09.119 It's like I'll miniature like speaker. It will blow the 2066 01:38:09.399 --> 01:38:12.239 socks off, you man. And they take it out pre game. 2067 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:13.920 They put it on the fifty yard line and they 2068 01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:14.600 played their music. 2069 01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:20.520 Yeah that's cool an right cool on you like that 2070 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:21.800 and you think that's cool? 2071 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:24.680 And like I said it, like I said, I do 2072 01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:27.479 miss it. I do appreciate people like you, I really do. 2073 01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:31.680 And if there's you know, anything I can do for you, guys, 2074 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:33.520 don't hesitates. 2075 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:36.640 Tell people where they can find you. Jack. Do you 2076 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:38.159 have a website? Do you have a place something. 2077 01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:42.439 I am an old school guy. My wife. I just 2078 01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:44.960 got a new iPhone sixteen for Christ's sake, you know 2079 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:48.319 what I mean. I mean I can't give the selling 2080 01:38:48.439 --> 01:38:50.680 rout because they can all kind of yea, but. 2081 01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:52.640 Do you have do you have any social media accounts 2082 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:54.159 where people can follow you or anything like that. 2083 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:57.600 I don't. I never. I never was able to. 2084 01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.880 We were not allowed to go on social media. Yeah 2085 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:03.359 in the day, Yeah, I never. I honored that. 2086 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:05.880 All I have is a email that you guys get 2087 01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:08.680 to me. I will text you my cell number. I 2088 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.359 will text you. I will not time, I will I'll email. Yeah, 2089 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:16.920 you went to number and maybe we can discuss on 2090 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:17.840 the side or something. 2091 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:20.239 But you're you're not on LinkedIn or anything. 2092 01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:23.800 I'm linked I'm on LinkedIn. I'm on LinkedIn. Yes, there's 2093 01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:26.600 a going I'm on LinkedIn, but you're gonna see LinkedIn. 2094 01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:29.520 There's no picture, there's no buyer, It's just. 2095 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.600 Who I am. I'm not trying to run from anybody. 2096 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:35.000 I'm not trying to hunt from anybody. You can to 2097 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:38.600 find me. But yeah, that's a good, that's a good. Yeah. 2098 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:43.319 LinkedIn Okay, people reach out, Yes, I really, I really 2099 01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:46.840 appreciate it. Is Is there anything else I could uh discuss? 2100 01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:51.359 I mean I think we covered Yeah, you guys, I. 2101 01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:53.439 Did. 2102 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.520 I did my homework, Friz. I definite appreciate you guys. 2103 01:39:56.600 --> 01:39:59.640 And yeah, yeah really I really appreciate it too. On 2104 01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:01.800 our on our end, Jack, thanks for joining. 2105 01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:03.920 Us on the show, Thanks so much, and thanks Nick 2106 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:07.560 for us also for Yeah, yeah. 2107 01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:11.319 A listener and he's gonna turn up in Baltimore and 2108 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.600 he's a solid guy and yeah, he'll trust me. 2109 01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:15.960 Now, how does it now? 2110 01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:18.359 Are we when will this air? How's it doing? 2111 01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:18.920 What we're doing? 2112 01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:19.760 What's what goes on? 2113 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:24.319 This is uh going out to our a very limited 2114 01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:27.039 group of people on our Patreon and it will go 2115 01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:30.359 live on like YouTube and podcast platforms in the next 2116 01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:31.239 couple Yeah, it's. 2117 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:34.399 Live right now for our Patreon subscribers. So if you're 2118 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:37.760 not subscribing the Patreon, this is what you're missing. Do 2119 01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:40.520 we have any questions for Jack? Love it? 2120 01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:41.079 Man, love it. 2121 01:40:44.439 --> 01:40:46.159 We're just gonna see if we have any questions for 2122 01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:46.720 you from. 2123 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:48.720 Finally, so what you're saying about two weeks? Because no, 2124 01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:49.520 my boys want. 2125 01:40:51.319 --> 01:40:52.000 A couple of days. 2126 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.880 This will be out either tomorrow tomorrow night or Wednesday, 2127 01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:55.479 and what. 2128 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:56.359 Are we what are we looking at? 2129 01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:00.760 This? One's number three hundred and fifty three fifty three. 2130 01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:03.760 Yeah, I'm gonna put that down three fifty three. 2131 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.680 All right, So we have we have one question from 2132 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:12.600 uh m corbin. Uh do people who drug traffic do 2133 01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:15.680 they usually did? They usually always pay with cash or 2134 01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:16.840 other types of currency. 2135 01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:18.319 Man, that's a great way. 2136 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.880 I mean, back in my day it was all cash related, 2137 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:23.880 maybe some assets, you know, maybe let's trade your car 2138 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:26.560 for for you know, for two keys of coke or 2139 01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:30.439 but nowadays it's it's that fit coin, and it's a 2140 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.640 whole different game. It's a whole even I ever ran 2141 01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:35.720 into one of the guys. Uh, this is a good, 2142 01:41:36.039 --> 01:41:39.439 great question. I ran into some of the guys. One 2143 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:42.880 of the guys, excuse me, that was a former when 2144 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.239 I left Quantico. He came in as a new agent. 2145 01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:49.319 And he goes to the one beach town here. You 2146 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:53.159 probably guys know the beach towns Dewey Beach, for Hovid Beach, Lewis, 2147 01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:57.560 Bethany Beach, Ben Maccot. That's the whole strip of beaches, 2148 01:41:57.640 --> 01:41:59.960 the beaches here. And we were up in Dewey Beach 2149 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:03.399 to one night and he basically we were talking and 2150 01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.960 we got talking about federally wire tapping and he goes, 2151 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:09.479 oh no, he goes totally different, he said, but all 2152 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.840 these encrypted sites, Yeah, totally different. 2153 01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:17.199 I'm like, oh my god, I'm lot man. Yeah, yeah, fascinate. 2154 01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:20.760 But the guy to his question, uh, back in my day, 2155 01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:23.640 money maybe an asset here and there, but other than that, 2156 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:26.520 I'm sure I'm sure there is there the bitcoin or 2157 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:29.600 crazy other things going on with that kind of In fact, 2158 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.000 we had a case where there was one that guy 2159 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:34.439 gold can gold back in Philly. You get gold for 2160 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:36.520 his gop because he didn't have het want to break 2161 01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:40.439 in and any cash. That's a whole other money laundering 2162 01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:45.159 angle to it. Yeah, we we did some things with that. 2163 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:47.319 Myself and my boy Jeff. 2164 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:49.560 We were pick up We were pick up men for 2165 01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:53.239 UH in Philadelphia, for a trafficking organization. 2166 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.840 We were picking up money and we were of course 2167 01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:57.960 laundering the money through Philly given with taking our cut 2168 01:42:58.000 --> 01:42:58.920 and giving him money back to. 2169 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:02.960 A different count undercover count. And yeah, we were pick 2170 01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:06.479 up boys. So back in the day, while you're quite young, 2171 01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:11.439 quite young, yes, yes, well thanks Jack, We really appreciate it. 2172 01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:11.680 Man. 2173 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:15.159 We really appreciate you coming on, reaching out and coming on. Well, 2174 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:17.000 thank thank you. Like I said, if you guys hear 2175 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:18.239 of anything, please feel fright. 2176 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:20.960 I consider you guys, friends and solid guys up there, 2177 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:24.560 and thank you very very much. And if I need 2178 01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:27.680 some dinner, I guess and uh, really appreciate it. He's 2179 01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:31.039 gone in a couple of days. Yeah, it'll hit on 2180 01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:35.039 your website. It'll be on YouTube in like two days. 2181 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:35.560 Yeah. 2182 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:39.520 Like it's either Tuesday night, Tomorrow night, or Wednesday night 2183 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:42.000 followed the next morning on audio. So in the next 2184 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:42.960 couple of days for sure. 2185 01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:45.960 Okay, So that's d D. Thank you very much, appreciate 2186 01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:47.520 I'm gonna send it. I'm gonna send it out with 2187 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:50.399 my cell number two to you guys, and then, uh, 2188 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:52.239 it's up to you. You want to get back you 2189 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:54.279 want to get back to No, it's up to you. 2190 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:57.199 Sounds right. Thank your service man, and thank you guys. 2191 01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:00.000 We'll see all of you guys out there next time. Thanks. 2192 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.359 Thank you, Jack, Thanks Verving, you touch, thank you Jack, 2193 01:44:02.439 --> 01:44:03.439 Dog you, Dave, Bye bye. 2194 01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:07.479 Nos Hey, guys, it's Jack. I just want to talk 2195 01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:09.359 to you for a moment about how you can support 2196 01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:12.159 the show. 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