WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.920 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.480 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:44.000 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Joe Bass. Joe, 6 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:45.280 welcome to the show. 7 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.200 Thank you, Thank you. 8 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:51.400 Vick Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for your time. Joe, 9 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.719 please give us a brief bio on yourself. 10 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.719 Brief bio. My name is Joe Bass. 11 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:06.959 I am founder of Uncanny Cryptid Cartographer. I am about 12 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:16.800 fifty five years old and very much I'm backwoods apple Achian, bushcrafter, 13 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.960 cryptid believer, lover of the woods, lover of the environment. 14 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:24.479 And we can get into the rest lighter. 15 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.919 That sounds like a plan. Yeah, we definitely will get 16 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.280 into the rest in a bid here. And when we 17 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.840 spoke for the first time, you mentioned all the time 18 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.639 you spent rooming around the mountains and the Appalachians having 19 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.000 a ball. While I'm wondering you didn't know about dogmen 20 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:44.319 back then. With that in mind, do you see that 21 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.240 as a good thing looking back, or do you wish 22 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:49.719 you would have known about dog men sharing those mountains 23 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:51.840 with you? As you're rooming wild. 24 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:58.560 Dog Man at the point in my life was as 25 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.639 far as I concerned, I really had never heard of it. 26 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:09.800 It was like the Werewolf of London, something on black 27 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:10.599 and white movies. 28 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:16.840 That really was not something for me to be concerned about. 29 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.919 I was a backwards man. The only thing to be 30 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:25.080 really concerned about was people in the woods. Everything else 31 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:28.439 I could take with a grain of salt or know 32 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.560 how to navigate my way around it. So the dog 33 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:40.319 man experience really wasn't there. Looking back at certain experiences, 34 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:45.000 there could have been things that were on the liminal 35 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.599 way that could have said that there might have been 36 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.639 a dog man watching, or satsquatch watching, or some other 37 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:58.800 sort of limital force creature that was there, like a 38 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:03.479 small blip of a childhood experience which I never really 39 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:07.039 thought about until now. I was riding my bike through 40 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.199 the woods, and it was during the era where every 41 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.840 kid had a Shwin banana seat bicycle, and that was 42 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:18.759 like somewhere in the eighties, and I was in the 43 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.439 woods myself, just riding my bike, and I heard something graul, 44 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:27.240 like a real guttural growl, but it wasn't like anything 45 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:32.120 I heard before, and I got like that dream terror 46 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.439 type of feeling inside my gut and took off all 47 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.079 of the woods with my bike. But I guess, as 48 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.839 I continue to think about it and reflect, there are 49 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.920 things that have happened, I guess my entire life, but 50 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:53.480 nothing kind of solidified until it was June thirteenth, twenty twenty, 51 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:59.360 and that was my experience that happened in the Appalachians 52 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.839 in western North Carolina Tennessee border. 53 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:07.160 That changed everything. Now you look for them now, Joe, 54 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.560 But do you think you would have looked for them 55 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.720 back then when you were a kid, if you would 56 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.240 have known about their existence. I don't know what kind 57 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.240 of a kid you were. Some kids, if they would 58 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.920 know about something like that, then heck yeah, they'd be 59 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:22.240 looking for them at every opportunity. But other kids, they 60 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.079 wouldn't even think about heading back into the mountains. 61 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:30.600 Well, I think I would have tried to. I honestly 62 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:31.160 think I would. 63 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:36.000 I would have tried to make friends with it, and 64 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.680 I think I might have been I would have been 65 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.040 becoming an annoyance to the dog man because I was 66 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.720 that type of kid. I was always poking around looking 67 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:48.279 for frogs or you know, catching snakes or sitting in 68 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.839 the bush trying to attract the bird to come and 69 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.759 sit on my shoulder. So I never really visualized anything 70 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.560 as being the enemy animal or the predator. It was 71 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:07.040 more along the track or Tom Brown, and I would 72 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:13.120 follow his passion for nature and wildlife. So I think 73 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:17.199 the fear that whatever this being is that likes to 74 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:23.839 instill in people probably would have scared me the same 75 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:25.800 way it scared me when I was on my bike 76 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:27.439 riding trails in the woods. 77 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.680 It's that uncontrollable. 78 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.120 Get out that this being emanates. 79 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:36.199 So I don't know. 80 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.519 It's when I'm beginning to conclude it's kind of like 81 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.160 a defense mechanism, like a skunk. You don't stick around 82 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.920 and make friends with a skunk after it sprays you, 83 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.439 So the dog man might have the same type of 84 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.560 eminence around it that it creates that you really don't 85 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:57.639 have a choice but to leave. 86 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:01.480 You just mentioned the fear that they tend to instill 87 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.600 in us. With that in mind, pretty much anyone who 88 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:08.600 knows anything about dog men has pretty strong opinions regarding 89 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.800 the danger they present or the dangers that they don't present. 90 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.879 If you bump into one. What are your thoughts on. 91 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:23.600 That bumping into one, well, I think before you bump 92 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.399 into one, it already knows whether it wants to bump into. 93 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:27.639 You or not. 94 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.399 And my experience that I had in western North Carolina 95 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:40.199 was kind of there was no bumping into I think 96 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:44.759 it was there observing until we were made aware by 97 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:47.959 another being that was there. And we can discuss that 98 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:53.480 later as we move on through this. If you get 99 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:59.720 too close to certain territorial things, these beings come from 100 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:04.879 a very very ancient, ancient time, and some of them 101 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:11.199 they've lost all like memory. They're kind of like they 102 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.519 don't know who they are, but they still run on autopilot. 103 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.399 And it's same as having a dog on the other 104 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:23.279 side of the fence. If the fence is there, whether 105 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:27.480 we can see it or not, the dog man will 106 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:31.560 guard whatever is on the other side of the fence 107 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.919 and it will instill that fear. But once that fence 108 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:44.039 is removed by whomever, your mentality, your ignorance of being 109 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:48.200 in the woods, you become invisible to the dog man. 110 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.519 It's kind of like if you take the fence away 111 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.840 from a junkyard dog. A junkyard dog doesn't really see 112 00:08:54.879 --> 00:09:02.080 you there. Its purpose is gone, but if there's something there, 113 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:09.679 whether it's some ancient tribal memory or some other type 114 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:14.519 of liminal barrier, the dog men will continue to be there, 115 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:21.159 whether they're in America, Ireland, Africa, wherever they may be, 116 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.720 or maybe encountered. These beings have been here for a 117 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:26.519 very long time, and they're global. 118 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.279 Yeah, that's one of the many funny things about these guys. 119 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.279 So many people think if you're not around Michigan, if 120 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.559 you're not around Wisconsin, you don't have to worry about 121 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.799 running into one. But like you said, they really are 122 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:45.480 all over. They definitely are. While investigating in a particular area, 123 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.759 you found out about what locals in the area call 124 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.240 night people. Please tell us more about that. 125 00:09:51.519 --> 00:10:00.200 Okay, there's certain areas in Washington State and the natives 126 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.919 that are in that area, and I need to be 127 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:08.480 very careful how I speak about the native populations in 128 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:14.759 that area. They hold everything extremely sacred and it's almost 129 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.480 taboo to speak about certain things like this. So I'm 130 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.480 going to touch it very lightly, not to insult anybody, 131 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.159 and give them thanks for the stories that they have provided. 132 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.360 The night people are the call them stick Indians, and 133 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:36.799 these are beings that they're they're they're more of shadow. 134 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:47.480 They're guardians of sacred areas, and they are very nocturnal, 135 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:53.480 and they run trails, they run ridges, they run woods, 136 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.879 they make particular sounds. They they cause people, they like 137 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.759 escort people out of the woods. They can be mistaken 138 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.320 as the sasquatch by a lot of researchers are just 139 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:14.039 casual experiencers that really don't know what they're experiencing. These 140 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:18.039 are the night people, or others have called them the Channado. 141 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.240 So that's what I know about the night people. 142 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.720 Is it possible that the night people might be able 143 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.480 to shape shift into the form of what looks like 144 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.720 a dog men And sometimes when people go into areas 145 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:36.159 that they're not welcome in the night people are actually 146 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.480 behind it. It's not an actual dog man that's escorting 147 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:39.879 them out. 148 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.399 That could be partial truth. 149 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.679 I'm not an expert on that, but that's why I'm 150 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:50.440 continuing my research. 151 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:57.399 Shape shifting. According to if you see a dog. 152 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.720 And upright by petal dog the size of a grizzly 153 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:08.039 bear standing in a shadow off trail or in front 154 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:13.799 of you or behind you backdrop by whatever light fog, 155 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:19.639 it would be a very scary thing. To see, and 156 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:26.960 in our own like primal consciousness, seeing a wolf on 157 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:31.240 the trail is about the scariest thing a person can see. 158 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.919 It sure is, because back when we lived in caves, 159 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:38.960 we've been programmed to be terrified of seeing anything like 160 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.440 that out there in the wild. So yeah, it's no 161 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.759 wonder that affects us the way it does. All right, Joe, 162 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.200 please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us a 163 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:48.919 real last detail that comes to mind. 164 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.080 Okay, every last detail. You got it, Ricky. 165 00:12:52.600 --> 00:13:02.519 So there's experiences that can become dividing in everybody's life, 166 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:08.200 and you can measure everything as either before or after. 167 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:16.080 When you enter into this world, things completely become before 168 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:19.399 or after. So it's kind of confusing, and this is 169 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:26.519 my story to abate that confusion my family. There was 170 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.240 a dividing line that happened on June thirteenth, twenty twenty 171 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.399 deep inside in the Appalachian Cove along the North Carolina 172 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:39.039 Tennessee border. It was in the middle of summer, similar 173 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.879 to what's happening across the United States right now. It 174 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.480 was ninety degrees, but in the forest it was a 175 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.679 little bit cooler, especially along the stream that we knew 176 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:55.000 so we drove several miles into the old Forest Service 177 00:13:55.080 --> 00:14:00.639 road until civilization completely disappeared. There's nothing, no people, no 178 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:05.559 four wheelers, nothing, no cars, just dead end forest road. 179 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:12.480 There's towering hardwoods. They're enclosed and by like a narrow valley, 180 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.080 so it's kind of like you're driving into a cut 181 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:22.440 between rocks and river and the stream is ice cold. 182 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.840 It never chills down, it never it never heats up. 183 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:33.120 It's always chilly. Pardon me. It's a hidden place and 184 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:38.480 time absolutely slows down here. There's when you get into it. 185 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.919 There's no reason to rush. It's just you make your 186 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.720 day and however long it may be there, it seems 187 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:51.240 like an entire lifetime that you're back in the woods. 188 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:55.519 So my wife and I decided to take a cold 189 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:59.840 plunge in this area while our daughter played nearby, and 190 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:06.039 we laughed and splashed and let out loud instinctive whoops 191 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:10.679 as the water shocked our bodies. So as a looking back, 192 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.120 you know, I wondered if those natural whoops, as we 193 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:20.440 all know sasquatch gets attracted by whoops, right, that we 194 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:25.399 might have attracted what I refer my wife refers to 195 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:31.519 is the sentinel of the woods and that was what 196 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.000 through the rock. But before I get ahead of myself, 197 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:38.360 here we were in this water and we were enjoying 198 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:42.240 ourselves and it was just like the perfect family experience. 199 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:50.759 And that's when everything changed because there was no silence 200 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.159 of the woods. There was no os effect, and os 201 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.600 effect means that's when the birds go quiet, and everything 202 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.799 just kind of stopped. That did happen? A large rock 203 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.919 crashed down into the creek, only a few yards downstream 204 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:13.120 from where we stood, and that's when we stopped laughing. 205 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:20.559 It was instantaneous guard up and party over. We were 206 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:25.639 looking at the direction and my eyes locked onto a 207 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.919 place where the rock had landed and beneath the shadow 208 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:34.679 of the overhanging trees and behind what's called bee balm. 209 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:41.000 It's this bright red, very scented type of flower that 210 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.600 grows natively in the streams of North Carolina. Behind this, 211 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:50.080 I could see what was There was a crouched creature. 212 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.039 And it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a dog, it 213 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.080 wasn't a person. I've been in the woods long enough 214 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:03.240 to recognize what I'm looking at. This was covered in 215 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:09.440 midnight black fur, and its muzzle was elongated but it 216 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.839 wasn't like the bear brown. It was more of a black, 217 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:19.039 more of a baboon type of muzzle, and the eyes 218 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:20.559 were jet black too. 219 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.359 But it never rushed, it never lunched. It just simply watched, 220 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:31.680 similar to like the Thinking Man. It just watched and 221 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:32.440 it looked at me. 222 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:35.519 And my daughter had seen it at that moment, but 223 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.839 since then she's completely forgotten the entire experience. 224 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.039 She was very young at that point. 225 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:47.839 But the thing that I've never been able to explain 226 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.799 this theodity, and I've never heard this in any dog 227 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:57.480 man's story. It began to flicker. The closest comparison I 228 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:02.400 can make, it almost looked how similar to the Star 229 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:08.480 Wars holograms when they played Chester, when C three po 230 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.839 put out the hologram of Princess Leah, it was similar 231 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:19.319 to that. It's outline would shift in and out of view. 232 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:26.240 But whether that appearance was caused by lighting, my perception 233 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.119 or something I can't explain, I honestly don't know. I 234 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:33.480 only know that it's exactly how I remember seeing it. 235 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.680 So instinct took over at that point and it was 236 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.519 pure adrenaline. I grabbed my daughter and I threw it 237 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.680 across the stream. It wasn't like a lunge. It was 238 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.160 like the stream was maybe three four feet wide. So 239 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.160 I just threw it across the stream and toward the 240 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.920 safety of my wife because she was already creating a 241 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:59.279 safe place inside the truck, and we left immediately. The 242 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.839 next thing either of us clearly remembers is driving down 243 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.920 the mountain road talking about how refreshing the cold water 244 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:13.920 was despite the summer heat, and we neither of us 245 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.240 remembers discussing what happened at all. 246 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.640 It was completely blocked. 247 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.519 That missing piece of memory remains one of the strangest 248 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:25.240 aspects of the entire experience. 249 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:25.880 That was. 250 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:32.160 We don't know why we couldn't remember. It was nearly 251 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:37.079 a year or so that passed before we seriously talked 252 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:38.400 about that afternoon. 253 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:38.720 Again. 254 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.960 We were living in Washington State at that moment, and 255 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.759 the whole reason why we were doing the cold plunging 256 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.839 was to prepare our bodies for the cold waters of Washington, 257 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.119 which we were going to go swim into glaciers. It 258 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.079 had nothing to do with the doug Man, It had 259 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.440 nothing to do with searching out sasquatch or any other 260 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:05.000 limital creature. We just wanted to go swim in cold 261 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:09.000 glacial waters of Washington State for the summer, that's all. 262 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.920 And it led to this. And while we were in 263 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:19.640 Washington State, we ran into other people that had Sasquatch experiences. 264 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:26.319 Almost seemingly the entire state of Washington has sasquatch experiences. 265 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.839 Or you stop at a gas station, someone is telling 266 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:34.519 you about sasquatch. You know, welcome to Washington. Please share 267 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:39.000 your sasquatch experience with us as you leave. So we were 268 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.400 speaking to some people and we were telling them about 269 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:46.240 our experience, and I was telling about how the rock 270 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.960 landed and I saw the things crouching in the shadows, 271 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.599 and my wife looked at me and she said, that's 272 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:58.960 not what I saw. And that's when the other story 273 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:04.559 came out. How she looked uphill towards the direction where 274 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:10.799 she believed the rock was thrown from and hidden up 275 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.160 in the laurels, which are thick. I mean, you can 276 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:16.480 fallow off the side of a mountain if you hit 277 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.599 a laurel, patrickal just bounce down because they're so thick 278 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:25.640 and impenetrable. But what she saw up there was what 279 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.559 she described what appeared to be a large, hairy brown boulder, 280 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.319 and then it moved. She could see the dark skin 281 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.319 beneath the hair. She could see the face. It was 282 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:45.400 almost like it had like the dark gray, earthy green 283 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:51.279 hunter type makeup on, but it was not makeup. And 284 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:56.799 then it moved and she could see the eyes, and 285 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.880 that's they were wet and they were reflective, and they 286 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:04.039 were staring right back at her. As soon as the 287 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.720 eye contact was made. She watched the figure slow like 288 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:15.200 it swayed back and forth like all the other sasquatch 289 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.519 experiences talk about, but we never really heard or kind 290 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:22.000 of put two and two together, but it was very 291 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.880 similar to a lot of other stories of experiences about 292 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:33.119 the site's way back and forth. So that's when she 293 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:38.599 decided to head for the truck. She wasn't telling me 294 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:41.279 what she was seeing. I wasn't pointing to the thing. 295 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.559 We all assumed we were seeing the same thing and 296 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:44.880 having the same experience. 297 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:49.720 But she saw something which could be considered to be 298 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:50.480 a sasquatch. 299 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:55.079 So that was the sentinel during the rock to give 300 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:59.640 us attention that there was what I did not see. 301 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.599 As a man, I did not know what I saw. 302 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.279 I didn't say it was a baby sasquatch. I didn't 303 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.799 say it was a hunter hiding in the woods, because 304 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:14.759 the glitchy effect took that all the way. It took 305 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.519 many other years of figuring out finally that I might 306 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:25.000 have been looking directly at a dog man. And that's 307 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:30.359 what I feel in my heart. So years later we 308 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:36.400 came back, and this was last year, not this year. 309 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:43.920 It was twenty five. We decided to go back. We 310 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:48.759 came back to visit North Carolina and we went back 311 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.640 to the site of the experience. That's when we had 312 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:59.359 become familiar with liminal etiquette, which is, you know, a 313 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:04.400 sasquatch etiquette. You bring in apple or you bring some sage, 314 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:09.319 and you do a little ceremony of apologies. And when 315 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:13.920 we did that, my wife kind of stayed back in 316 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:18.799 the truck at that point. And when I said my 317 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:24.240 apologies to whatever being that was there, there was a 318 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.400 strong wind that blew through the cove, and there was 319 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:33.839 a very loud trill whistle that followed with the wind. 320 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:42.160 And when we heard that, that was our confirmation, and 321 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.599 that timing caught our attention, and my wife, being who 322 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.720 she is, she said, it's time to go now. And 323 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:55.839 so we listened. Now on the third visit, which was 324 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.559 this year, after coming back from Washington again, we go 325 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.680 back fourth. We love Washington, we love the people there, 326 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:09.559 we love the stories. We also loved North Carolina, and 327 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:12.519 the traditions at the mountains hold here as well, so 328 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:19.359 we feel connected coast to coast. The third visit, neither 329 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:25.279 of us felt openly threatened, but both of us had 330 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.559 the unmistakable feeling that we were being watched from somewhere 331 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:38.079 beyond the forest. What we could see it wasn't welcoming. 332 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:43.279 It was more like you walked into somebody's home, but 333 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:48.279 everybody hid behind the furniture, but you knew. 334 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:50.359 They were there. 335 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.759 So I stood up on a large rock that was 336 00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:59.839 beside the creek, and my wife was over listening to 337 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.440 something as well, and we're observing where we. 338 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:06.519 Had witnessed these two beings. 339 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:12.039 And there was this powerful shove that hit my chest 340 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.480 and it forced me backwards, and so I kind of 341 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:22.319 I basically fell off the rock, landed gracefully, but I 342 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:25.200 turned around and my wife is like waving at me 343 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.400 to basically get back into the vehicle. I didn't see anything, 344 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:37.920 and I couldn't identify what caused it. But what she reported, 345 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.640 She said she was hearing like indistinct voices that were 346 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.759 coming from the surrounding vegetation. She couldn't distinguish the words, 347 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.359 only what sounded like a quiet conversation hidden in the brush. 348 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.920 But so once again we decided it was time to leave. 349 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.039 There was no memory of life or anything else like that. 350 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:07.319 And I really don't have like any type of need 351 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:13.839 to go back to the spot again. And that's kind 352 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.359 of what you experience when you get in these aspects 353 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:19.240 that are unexplained. 354 00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.240 You continue to wrestle with them or you make peace 355 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:23.680 with them. 356 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.480 So with that, you know, I make no claim of 357 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.000 possessing the definitive answer what was there. 358 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:34.640 I can only tell you what we remembered that single 359 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.160 afternoon changed the direction of our lives. 360 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:42.920 What began as one unexplained encounter became years of research. 361 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:51.359 She doesn't really want to bring that into our lives 362 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.640 because of her being the protective mama bear that she is, 363 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.119 But me being the individual that I am, I love 364 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.839 the woods and everything it's in it. I also love 365 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:10.319 history and regional folklore, indigenous oral traditions and what they 366 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:16.240 have been publicly documented, like frontier journals, old newspaper archives, 367 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:22.319 modern eye witness reports. So I searched for recurring patterns 368 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:27.519 rather than just isolated stories. And you mentioned Michigan. There 369 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:34.759 there is something in the Michigan, Wisconsin area that is 370 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:39.440 attracting a lot of dog man stories, similar to the 371 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:44.519 Land Between the Lakes area that is down here, same thing. 372 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:51.160 So there's something there that I need to. 373 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:51.799 Focus on now. 374 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.240 As for my research, like I said, it expands beyond 375 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:01.920 Appalachia into the Pacific, Northwest, Rocky Canada, Europe and elsewhere. 376 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:08.359 I compare reports of sasquatch, large hated beings often referred 377 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:10.559 to today as the dog man. 378 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.279 Others referred to them as like a Nubis. 379 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:18.640 Or there's other Greek stories that have dogs, or many 380 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.920 other stories of just dog headed people. 381 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.279 So I look for those similarities. 382 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.559 Even in the movies, there's like with the Wolf and 383 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.839 the Howling and the were Wolf of London and then 384 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:40.240 the old timey Transylvania. There's there's truth, there's myth, and 385 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.559 then there's just absolute human invention that comes from any 386 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:53.839 of these. So this research eventually led me to the 387 00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.519 comparative mythology which I just went over, which falls into 388 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:06.279 linguistics and religious traditions and humanity's oldest stories. I explored 389 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:13.240 traditions from Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, the Minoan world, Celts, Norse 390 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:18.960 cultures which north have lots of the wolf, the barker. 391 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:26.920 The stories of the Canter's Prayer talks about this man 392 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:31.039 that was a canter that was often some remote village 393 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:36.400 and he's telling a story about his transformation into a wolf. 394 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.079 And that was sent to me in a message on 395 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:46.880 my website, not website, but my Facebook group Uncanny Crypto Cartographer, 396 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.039 but it was deleted afterwards, and it was the Canter's prayer. 397 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:57.279 And I studied that prayer and I could see how 398 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:01.880 that could relate to stories of dog Man, but all 399 00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.680 the way back in the twelve hundreds. 400 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.200 So during that I. 401 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.319