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Speaker 2: Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Joe Bass. Joe,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Vick Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for your time. Joe,
Speaker 2: please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 3: Brief bio. My name is Joe Bass.
Speaker 1: I am founder of Uncanny Cryptid Cartographer. I am about
Speaker 1: fifty five years old and very much I'm backwoods apple Achian, bushcrafter,
Speaker 1: cryptid believer, lover of the woods, lover of the environment.
Speaker 3: And we can get into the rest lighter.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a plan. Yeah, we definitely will get
Speaker 2: into the rest in a bid here. And when we
Speaker 2: spoke for the first time, you mentioned all the time
Speaker 2: you spent rooming around the mountains and the Appalachians having
Speaker 2: a ball. While I'm wondering you didn't know about dogmen
Speaker 2: back then. With that in mind, do you see that
Speaker 2: as a good thing looking back, or do you wish
Speaker 2: you would have known about dog men sharing those mountains
Speaker 2: with you? As you're rooming wild.
Speaker 1: Dog Man at the point in my life was as
Speaker 1: far as I concerned, I really had never heard of it.
Speaker 3: It was like the Werewolf of London, something on black
Speaker 3: and white movies.
Speaker 1: That really was not something for me to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: I was a backwards man. The only thing to be
Speaker 1: really concerned about was people in the woods. Everything else
Speaker 1: I could take with a grain of salt or know
Speaker 1: how to navigate my way around it. So the dog
Speaker 1: man experience really wasn't there. Looking back at certain experiences,
Speaker 1: there could have been things that were on the liminal
Speaker 1: way that could have said that there might have been
Speaker 1: a dog man watching, or satsquatch watching, or some other
Speaker 1: sort of limital force creature that was there, like a
Speaker 1: small blip of a childhood experience which I never really
Speaker 1: thought about until now. I was riding my bike through
Speaker 1: the woods, and it was during the era where every
Speaker 1: kid had a Shwin banana seat bicycle, and that was
Speaker 1: like somewhere in the eighties, and I was in the
Speaker 1: woods myself, just riding my bike, and I heard something graul,
Speaker 1: like a real guttural growl, but it wasn't like anything
Speaker 1: I heard before, and I got like that dream terror
Speaker 1: type of feeling inside my gut and took off all
Speaker 1: of the woods with my bike. But I guess, as
Speaker 1: I continue to think about it and reflect, there are
Speaker 1: things that have happened, I guess my entire life, but
Speaker 1: nothing kind of solidified until it was June thirteenth, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and that was my experience that happened in the Appalachians
Speaker 1: in western North Carolina Tennessee border.
Speaker 2: That changed everything. Now you look for them now, Joe,
Speaker 2: But do you think you would have looked for them
Speaker 2: back then when you were a kid, if you would
Speaker 2: have known about their existence. I don't know what kind
Speaker 2: of a kid you were. Some kids, if they would
Speaker 2: know about something like that, then heck yeah, they'd be
Speaker 2: looking for them at every opportunity. But other kids, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't even think about heading back into the mountains.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I would have tried to. I honestly
Speaker 3: think I would.
Speaker 1: I would have tried to make friends with it, and
Speaker 1: I think I might have been I would have been
Speaker 1: becoming an annoyance to the dog man because I was
Speaker 1: that type of kid. I was always poking around looking
Speaker 1: for frogs or you know, catching snakes or sitting in
Speaker 1: the bush trying to attract the bird to come and
Speaker 1: sit on my shoulder. So I never really visualized anything
Speaker 1: as being the enemy animal or the predator. It was
Speaker 1: more along the track or Tom Brown, and I would
Speaker 1: follow his passion for nature and wildlife. So I think
Speaker 1: the fear that whatever this being is that likes to
Speaker 1: instill in people probably would have scared me the same
Speaker 1: way it scared me when I was on my bike
Speaker 1: riding trails in the woods.
Speaker 3: It's that uncontrollable.
Speaker 1: Get out that this being emanates.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's when I'm beginning to conclude it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a defense mechanism, like a skunk. You don't stick around
Speaker 1: and make friends with a skunk after it sprays you,
Speaker 1: So the dog man might have the same type of
Speaker 1: eminence around it that it creates that you really don't
Speaker 1: have a choice but to leave.
Speaker 2: You just mentioned the fear that they tend to instill
Speaker 2: in us. With that in mind, pretty much anyone who
Speaker 2: knows anything about dog men has pretty strong opinions regarding
Speaker 2: the danger they present or the dangers that they don't present.
Speaker 2: If you bump into one. What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 1: That bumping into one, well, I think before you bump
Speaker 1: into one, it already knows whether it wants to bump into.
Speaker 3: You or not.
Speaker 1: And my experience that I had in western North Carolina
Speaker 1: was kind of there was no bumping into I think
Speaker 1: it was there observing until we were made aware by
Speaker 1: another being that was there. And we can discuss that
Speaker 1: later as we move on through this. If you get
Speaker 1: too close to certain territorial things, these beings come from
Speaker 1: a very very ancient, ancient time, and some of them
Speaker 1: they've lost all like memory. They're kind of like they
Speaker 1: don't know who they are, but they still run on autopilot.
Speaker 1: And it's same as having a dog on the other
Speaker 1: side of the fence. If the fence is there, whether
Speaker 1: we can see it or not, the dog man will
Speaker 1: guard whatever is on the other side of the fence
Speaker 1: and it will instill that fear. But once that fence
Speaker 1: is removed by whomever, your mentality, your ignorance of being
Speaker 1: in the woods, you become invisible to the dog man.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like if you take the fence away
Speaker 1: from a junkyard dog. A junkyard dog doesn't really see
Speaker 1: you there. Its purpose is gone, but if there's something there,
Speaker 1: whether it's some ancient tribal memory or some other type
Speaker 1: of liminal barrier, the dog men will continue to be there,
Speaker 1: whether they're in America, Ireland, Africa, wherever they may be,
Speaker 1: or maybe encountered. These beings have been here for a
Speaker 1: very long time, and they're global.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the many funny things about these guys.
Speaker 2: So many people think if you're not around Michigan, if
Speaker 2: you're not around Wisconsin, you don't have to worry about
Speaker 2: running into one. But like you said, they really are
Speaker 2: all over. They definitely are. While investigating in a particular area,
Speaker 2: you found out about what locals in the area call
Speaker 2: night people. Please tell us more about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's certain areas in Washington State and the natives
Speaker 1: that are in that area, and I need to be
Speaker 1: very careful how I speak about the native populations in
Speaker 1: that area. They hold everything extremely sacred and it's almost
Speaker 1: taboo to speak about certain things like this. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to touch it very lightly, not to insult anybody,
Speaker 1: and give them thanks for the stories that they have provided.
Speaker 1: The night people are the call them stick Indians, and
Speaker 1: these are beings that they're they're they're more of shadow.
Speaker 1: They're guardians of sacred areas, and they are very nocturnal,
Speaker 1: and they run trails, they run ridges, they run woods,
Speaker 1: they make particular sounds. They they cause people, they like
Speaker 1: escort people out of the woods. They can be mistaken
Speaker 1: as the sasquatch by a lot of researchers are just
Speaker 1: casual experiencers that really don't know what they're experiencing. These
Speaker 1: are the night people, or others have called them the Channado.
Speaker 3: So that's what I know about the night people.
Speaker 2: Is it possible that the night people might be able
Speaker 2: to shape shift into the form of what looks like
Speaker 2: a dog men And sometimes when people go into areas
Speaker 2: that they're not welcome in the night people are actually
Speaker 2: behind it. It's not an actual dog man that's escorting
Speaker 2: them out.
Speaker 3: That could be partial truth.
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on that, but that's why I'm
Speaker 1: continuing my research.
Speaker 3: Shape shifting. According to if you see a dog.
Speaker 1: And upright by petal dog the size of a grizzly
Speaker 1: bear standing in a shadow off trail or in front
Speaker 1: of you or behind you backdrop by whatever light fog,
Speaker 1: it would be a very scary thing. To see, and
Speaker 1: in our own like primal consciousness, seeing a wolf on
Speaker 1: the trail is about the scariest thing a person can see.
Speaker 2: It sure is, because back when we lived in caves,
Speaker 2: we've been programmed to be terrified of seeing anything like
Speaker 2: that out there in the wild. So yeah, it's no
Speaker 2: wonder that affects us the way it does. All right, Joe,
Speaker 2: please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us a
Speaker 2: real last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Okay, every last detail. You got it, Ricky.
Speaker 1: So there's experiences that can become dividing in everybody's life,
Speaker 1: and you can measure everything as either before or after.
Speaker 1: When you enter into this world, things completely become before
Speaker 1: or after. So it's kind of confusing, and this is
Speaker 1: my story to abate that confusion my family. There was
Speaker 1: a dividing line that happened on June thirteenth, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: deep inside in the Appalachian Cove along the North Carolina
Speaker 1: Tennessee border. It was in the middle of summer, similar
Speaker 1: to what's happening across the United States right now. It
Speaker 1: was ninety degrees, but in the forest it was a
Speaker 1: little bit cooler, especially along the stream that we knew
Speaker 1: so we drove several miles into the old Forest Service
Speaker 1: road until civilization completely disappeared. There's nothing, no people, no
Speaker 1: four wheelers, nothing, no cars, just dead end forest road.
Speaker 1: There's towering hardwoods. They're enclosed and by like a narrow valley,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like you're driving into a cut
Speaker 1: between rocks and river and the stream is ice cold.
Speaker 1: It never chills down, it never it never heats up.
Speaker 1: It's always chilly. Pardon me. It's a hidden place and
Speaker 1: time absolutely slows down here. There's when you get into it.
Speaker 1: There's no reason to rush. It's just you make your
Speaker 1: day and however long it may be there, it seems
Speaker 1: like an entire lifetime that you're back in the woods.
Speaker 1: So my wife and I decided to take a cold
Speaker 1: plunge in this area while our daughter played nearby, and
Speaker 1: we laughed and splashed and let out loud instinctive whoops
Speaker 1: as the water shocked our bodies. So as a looking back,
Speaker 1: you know, I wondered if those natural whoops, as we
Speaker 1: all know sasquatch gets attracted by whoops, right, that we
Speaker 1: might have attracted what I refer my wife refers to
Speaker 1: is the sentinel of the woods and that was what
Speaker 1: through the rock. But before I get ahead of myself,
Speaker 1: here we were in this water and we were enjoying
Speaker 1: ourselves and it was just like the perfect family experience.
Speaker 1: And that's when everything changed because there was no silence
Speaker 1: of the woods. There was no os effect, and os
Speaker 1: effect means that's when the birds go quiet, and everything
Speaker 1: just kind of stopped. That did happen? A large rock
Speaker 1: crashed down into the creek, only a few yards downstream
Speaker 1: from where we stood, and that's when we stopped laughing.
Speaker 1: It was instantaneous guard up and party over. We were
Speaker 1: looking at the direction and my eyes locked onto a
Speaker 1: place where the rock had landed and beneath the shadow
Speaker 1: of the overhanging trees and behind what's called bee balm.
Speaker 1: It's this bright red, very scented type of flower that
Speaker 1: grows natively in the streams of North Carolina. Behind this,
Speaker 1: I could see what was There was a crouched creature.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a dog, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a person. I've been in the woods long enough
Speaker 1: to recognize what I'm looking at. This was covered in
Speaker 1: midnight black fur, and its muzzle was elongated but it
Speaker 1: wasn't like the bear brown. It was more of a black,
Speaker 1: more of a baboon type of muzzle, and the eyes
Speaker 1: were jet black too.
Speaker 3: But it never rushed, it never lunched. It just simply watched,
Speaker 3: similar to like the Thinking Man. It just watched and
Speaker 3: it looked at me.
Speaker 1: And my daughter had seen it at that moment, but
Speaker 1: since then she's completely forgotten the entire experience.
Speaker 3: She was very young at that point.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I've never been able to explain
Speaker 1: this theodity, and I've never heard this in any dog
Speaker 1: man's story. It began to flicker. The closest comparison I
Speaker 1: can make, it almost looked how similar to the Star
Speaker 1: Wars holograms when they played Chester, when C three po
Speaker 1: put out the hologram of Princess Leah, it was similar
Speaker 1: to that. It's outline would shift in and out of view.
Speaker 1: But whether that appearance was caused by lighting, my perception
Speaker 1: or something I can't explain, I honestly don't know. I
Speaker 1: only know that it's exactly how I remember seeing it.
Speaker 1: So instinct took over at that point and it was
Speaker 1: pure adrenaline. I grabbed my daughter and I threw it
Speaker 1: across the stream. It wasn't like a lunge. It was
Speaker 1: like the stream was maybe three four feet wide. So
Speaker 1: I just threw it across the stream and toward the
Speaker 1: safety of my wife because she was already creating a
Speaker 1: safe place inside the truck, and we left immediately. The
Speaker 1: next thing either of us clearly remembers is driving down
Speaker 1: the mountain road talking about how refreshing the cold water
Speaker 1: was despite the summer heat, and we neither of us
Speaker 1: remembers discussing what happened at all.
Speaker 3: It was completely blocked.
Speaker 1: That missing piece of memory remains one of the strangest
Speaker 1: aspects of the entire experience.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 1: We don't know why we couldn't remember. It was nearly
Speaker 1: a year or so that passed before we seriously talked
Speaker 1: about that afternoon.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 1: We were living in Washington State at that moment, and
Speaker 1: the whole reason why we were doing the cold plunging
Speaker 1: was to prepare our bodies for the cold waters of Washington,
Speaker 1: which we were going to go swim into glaciers. It
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the doug Man, It had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with searching out sasquatch or any other
Speaker 1: limital creature. We just wanted to go swim in cold
Speaker 1: glacial waters of Washington State for the summer, that's all.
Speaker 1: And it led to this. And while we were in
Speaker 1: Washington State, we ran into other people that had Sasquatch experiences.
Speaker 1: Almost seemingly the entire state of Washington has sasquatch experiences.
Speaker 1: Or you stop at a gas station, someone is telling
Speaker 1: you about sasquatch. You know, welcome to Washington. Please share
Speaker 1: your sasquatch experience with us as you leave. So we were
Speaker 1: speaking to some people and we were telling them about
Speaker 1: our experience, and I was telling about how the rock
Speaker 1: landed and I saw the things crouching in the shadows,
Speaker 1: and my wife looked at me and she said, that's
Speaker 1: not what I saw. And that's when the other story
Speaker 1: came out. How she looked uphill towards the direction where
Speaker 1: she believed the rock was thrown from and hidden up
Speaker 1: in the laurels, which are thick. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: fallow off the side of a mountain if you hit
Speaker 1: a laurel, patrickal just bounce down because they're so thick
Speaker 1: and impenetrable. But what she saw up there was what
Speaker 1: she described what appeared to be a large, hairy brown boulder,
Speaker 1: and then it moved. She could see the dark skin
Speaker 1: beneath the hair. She could see the face. It was
Speaker 1: almost like it had like the dark gray, earthy green
Speaker 1: hunter type makeup on, but it was not makeup. And
Speaker 1: then it moved and she could see the eyes, and
Speaker 1: that's they were wet and they were reflective, and they
Speaker 1: were staring right back at her. As soon as the
Speaker 1: eye contact was made. She watched the figure slow like
Speaker 1: it swayed back and forth like all the other sasquatch
Speaker 1: experiences talk about, but we never really heard or kind
Speaker 1: of put two and two together, but it was very
Speaker 1: similar to a lot of other stories of experiences about
Speaker 1: the site's way back and forth. So that's when she
Speaker 1: decided to head for the truck. She wasn't telling me
Speaker 1: what she was seeing. I wasn't pointing to the thing.
Speaker 1: We all assumed we were seeing the same thing and
Speaker 1: having the same experience.
Speaker 3: But she saw something which could be considered to be
Speaker 3: a sasquatch.
Speaker 1: So that was the sentinel during the rock to give
Speaker 1: us attention that there was what I did not see.
Speaker 1: As a man, I did not know what I saw.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it was a baby sasquatch. I didn't
Speaker 1: say it was a hunter hiding in the woods, because
Speaker 1: the glitchy effect took that all the way. It took
Speaker 1: many other years of figuring out finally that I might
Speaker 1: have been looking directly at a dog man. And that's
Speaker 1: what I feel in my heart. So years later we
Speaker 1: came back, and this was last year, not this year.
Speaker 1: It was twenty five. We decided to go back. We
Speaker 1: came back to visit North Carolina and we went back
Speaker 1: to the site of the experience. That's when we had
Speaker 1: become familiar with liminal etiquette, which is, you know, a
Speaker 1: sasquatch etiquette. You bring in apple or you bring some sage,
Speaker 1: and you do a little ceremony of apologies. And when
Speaker 1: we did that, my wife kind of stayed back in
Speaker 1: the truck at that point. And when I said my
Speaker 1: apologies to whatever being that was there, there was a
Speaker 1: strong wind that blew through the cove, and there was
Speaker 1: a very loud trill whistle that followed with the wind.
Speaker 1: And when we heard that, that was our confirmation, and
Speaker 1: that timing caught our attention, and my wife, being who
Speaker 1: she is, she said, it's time to go now. And
Speaker 1: so we listened. Now on the third visit, which was
Speaker 1: this year, after coming back from Washington again, we go
Speaker 1: back fourth. We love Washington, we love the people there,
Speaker 1: we love the stories. We also loved North Carolina, and
Speaker 1: the traditions at the mountains hold here as well, so
Speaker 1: we feel connected coast to coast. The third visit, neither
Speaker 1: of us felt openly threatened, but both of us had
Speaker 1: the unmistakable feeling that we were being watched from somewhere
Speaker 1: beyond the forest. What we could see it wasn't welcoming.
Speaker 1: It was more like you walked into somebody's home, but
Speaker 1: everybody hid behind the furniture, but you knew.
Speaker 3: They were there.
Speaker 1: So I stood up on a large rock that was
Speaker 1: beside the creek, and my wife was over listening to
Speaker 1: something as well, and we're observing where we.
Speaker 3: Had witnessed these two beings.
Speaker 1: And there was this powerful shove that hit my chest
Speaker 1: and it forced me backwards, and so I kind of
Speaker 1: I basically fell off the rock, landed gracefully, but I
Speaker 1: turned around and my wife is like waving at me
Speaker 1: to basically get back into the vehicle. I didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't identify what caused it. But what she reported,
Speaker 1: She said she was hearing like indistinct voices that were
Speaker 1: coming from the surrounding vegetation. She couldn't distinguish the words,
Speaker 1: only what sounded like a quiet conversation hidden in the brush.
Speaker 1: But so once again we decided it was time to leave.
Speaker 1: There was no memory of life or anything else like that.
Speaker 1: And I really don't have like any type of need
Speaker 1: to go back to the spot again. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what you experience when you get in these aspects
Speaker 1: that are unexplained.
Speaker 3: You continue to wrestle with them or you make peace
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 1: So with that, you know, I make no claim of
Speaker 1: possessing the definitive answer what was there.
Speaker 3: I can only tell you what we remembered that single
Speaker 3: afternoon changed the direction of our lives.
Speaker 1: What began as one unexplained encounter became years of research.
Speaker 1: She doesn't really want to bring that into our lives
Speaker 1: because of her being the protective mama bear that she is,
Speaker 1: But me being the individual that I am, I love
Speaker 1: the woods and everything it's in it. I also love
Speaker 1: history and regional folklore, indigenous oral traditions and what they
Speaker 1: have been publicly documented, like frontier journals, old newspaper archives,
Speaker 1: modern eye witness reports. So I searched for recurring patterns
Speaker 1: rather than just isolated stories. And you mentioned Michigan. There
Speaker 1: there is something in the Michigan, Wisconsin area that is
Speaker 1: attracting a lot of dog man stories, similar to the
Speaker 1: Land Between the Lakes area that is down here, same thing.
Speaker 1: So there's something there that I need to.
Speaker 3: Focus on now.
Speaker 1: As for my research, like I said, it expands beyond
Speaker 1: Appalachia into the Pacific, Northwest, Rocky Canada, Europe and elsewhere.
Speaker 1: I compare reports of sasquatch, large hated beings often referred
Speaker 1: to today as the dog man.
Speaker 3: Others referred to them as like a Nubis.
Speaker 1: Or there's other Greek stories that have dogs, or many
Speaker 1: other stories of just dog headed people.
Speaker 3: So I look for those similarities.
Speaker 1: Even in the movies, there's like with the Wolf and
Speaker 1: the Howling and the were Wolf of London and then
Speaker 1: the old timey Transylvania. There's there's truth, there's myth, and
Speaker 1: then there's just absolute human invention that comes from any
Speaker 1: of these. So this research eventually led me to the
Speaker 1: comparative mythology which I just went over, which falls into
Speaker 1: linguistics and religious traditions and humanity's oldest stories. I explored
Speaker 1: traditions from Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, the Minoan world, Celts, Norse
Speaker 1: cultures which north have lots of the wolf, the barker.
Speaker 1: The stories of the Canter's Prayer talks about this man
Speaker 1: that was a canter that was often some remote village
Speaker 1: and he's telling a story about his transformation into a wolf.
Speaker 1: And that was sent to me in a message on
Speaker 1: my website, not website, but my Facebook group Uncanny Crypto Cartographer,
Speaker 1: but it was deleted afterwards, and it was the Canter's prayer.
Speaker 1: And I studied that prayer and I could see how
Speaker 1: that could relate to stories of dog Man, but all
Speaker 1: the way back in the twelve hundreds.
Speaker 3: So during that I.
Speaker 1: Parallel my own knowledge, which is like the study of
Speaker 1: wildlife behavior, tracking, bushcraft survival, forestry, ecology and geology and
Speaker 1: landscape history.
Speaker 3: I'm a steward of the.
Speaker 1: Woods, and being a steward requires careful observation, and whenever possible,
Speaker 1: I look for ordinary explanations before considering the extraordinary ones.
Speaker 1: And that's why when I saw this being, I could
Speaker 1: look past all of the mimicry that could be involved,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that a lot of Sasquatch experiences
Speaker 1: there is a mimic in the woods that gives people
Speaker 1: what they want to hear. That mimic will give the
Speaker 1: fear that these people need to have to experience when
Speaker 1: they're in the woods. If you go out in the
Speaker 1: woods looking for the Boogeyman, you're going to find a boogeyman.
Speaker 1: However it may manifest for itself, and Lord help those
Speaker 1: people that go out into the woods looking for dog man.
Speaker 1: So over the years, I've interviewed researchers. I've connected with
Speaker 1: many researchers. I have.
Speaker 3: Some ability to be able to find things on the map,
Speaker 3: see things in a way.
Speaker 1: And yes, I do use technology as well, and I
Speaker 1: look at my maps, I look at the coordinates, and
Speaker 1: then I cross reference stories that are real to those
Speaker 1: coordinates and experiences that can be gathered almost instantaneously by
Speaker 1: the Internet. Most of us can do that, but there's
Speaker 1: those who can just mimic it, and then there's that
Speaker 1: can actually do what a lot of other people can't do.
Speaker 1: And I'm not claiming to be the absolute expert. Neither
Speaker 1: should anybody else that's in this field. These can be
Speaker 1: campfire stories, and they can be myth and lore and
Speaker 1: oral tradition, and it teaches about our sense of place,
Speaker 1: who we are as people, and how we respond to
Speaker 1: the world around us. So some people may conclude that
Speaker 1: our experiences have a conventional explanation. Others may believe it
Speaker 1: points towards something completely unknown and choose to keep it
Speaker 1: as there.
Speaker 3: And I respect both perspectives.
Speaker 1: But as for me, on June thirteenth and twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: that was the day my life work took a new direction.
Speaker 1: It's not a mission to convince the world that Dogman exists. Instead,
Speaker 1: it became a lifelong commitment of documenting witness accounts and
Speaker 1: preserving forgotten history, and discovering history that.
Speaker 3: Might have not even been known completely bulldozed over.
Speaker 1: Now, whatever the answers may ultimately be, I believe these
Speaker 1: accounts deserve thoughtful investigation rather than immediate dismissal. I will
Speaker 1: always return to the mountains with wonder, but I no
Speaker 1: longer walk into an old forest believing that we know
Speaker 1: everything that lives within it.
Speaker 3: Thick and that's my story.
Speaker 2: Do you think the heat wave that you said was
Speaker 2: going on when you had your encounter had anything to
Speaker 2: do with you having it.
Speaker 3: No, the heat wave just drew us into the woods.
Speaker 1: And it was at a special spot in the woods
Speaker 1: that we have always gone to.
Speaker 3: I think from what my perspective is is we were.
Speaker 1: On a path to go to Washington State, and Washington
Speaker 1: State being a very spiritual place, a very limited place,
Speaker 1: high concentrations of particular beings such as sasquatch. There are
Speaker 1: dog men up there, but they're a different type than
Speaker 1: the dog men in the Appalachian Mountains. The ones in
Speaker 1: Washington State are more refined, definitive, extremely territorial, but they're
Speaker 1: not seen very much, unlike the consistent stories that happened
Speaker 1: with the encounters of a more feral and wild type
Speaker 1: of dog man that are in the Appalachians.
Speaker 3: I do believe that it was the beginning.
Speaker 1: Ceremony, is the best way I could put it, the
Speaker 1: door opening for our entry into Washington State and to
Speaker 1: gain more knowledge to bring it back here and eventually
Speaker 1: lead us to this conversation that we're having here.
Speaker 2: Why do you think it is that dog men in
Speaker 2: the Appalachian Mountains are more territorial than they are in other.
Speaker 3: Areas population density.
Speaker 1: That is, basically there are more people that are in
Speaker 1: on the eastern side of the United States, and the
Speaker 1: deeper you go into unpopulated areas, it's still densely populated
Speaker 1: and they're very guarded. In the last remnant spaces. Versus
Speaker 1: Washington State, there's millions of acres and barely one person
Speaker 1: would step anywhere in those millions of acres for years,
Speaker 1: So they could have entire regions to themselves for years
Speaker 1: and not be bothered. And so it's kind of like
Speaker 1: the deer here, I will say, the deer in the
Speaker 1: eastern United States, when they see a person, they run,
Speaker 1: They just they bolt. They see you, they run, they huff,
Speaker 1: they stump, they're out of there. If you go out west,
Speaker 1: especially in areas like Port Townshend, the deer are as
Speaker 1: common as New York pigeons. They will sit in the
Speaker 1: middle of the road, they will walk up to your car,
Speaker 1: they will sit.
Speaker 3: On your front porch. They're not afraid of you.
Speaker 1: And it's due to the population.
Speaker 3: There's not many people in Washington, so why would deer
Speaker 3: have any fear of you. And it's the same way
Speaker 3: with the dog man type there that they really have
Speaker 3: no reason to show their territoriality because there's lines that
Speaker 3: have divided that and people don't go into the woods
Speaker 3: like they go into the woods here.
Speaker 1: You go into the woods in Washington State, there's bears
Speaker 1: and cougars and wolves, and there's things that can eat you.
Speaker 1: You will disappear in the woods. There are so many
Speaker 1: people that disappear in those woods comparable to the amount
Speaker 1: of people that the most dangerous thing here is you
Speaker 1: got people and snakes and maybe a.
Speaker 3: Bear to hurt you in the woods, and just your
Speaker 3: own indecisions and bad choices you make. So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's how I see the reason dog Men is so
Speaker 3: territorial of their places here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put words into your mouth, but
Speaker 2: it sounds like, and it would make really good sense
Speaker 2: if this is what you're saying. It sounded to me
Speaker 2: like you're saying that dog Men and the Appalachians are
Speaker 2: more territorial because of all the people who are there
Speaker 2: doing things that that perturbed them. And if that's the case,
Speaker 2: what do you think it is that we do that
Speaker 2: ticks them off more so than anything else.
Speaker 3: Well, we build, that's one thing. There's if you take
Speaker 3: a look at.
Speaker 1: The area that is wrought with tie all types of
Speaker 1: dog man stories. Is Land between the Lakes that was
Speaker 1: an old settlement until the Forest Service decided to take
Speaker 1: it over or whatever service that happened there. The Tendency
Speaker 1: Authority took it over and they kicked everybody out. But
Speaker 1: it's population and settlement and disregard for sacred areas, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, if you go into the woods and
Speaker 1: you're looking to instigate, and you're going down a trail
Speaker 1: and you're knocking on trees and you're screaming or you're
Speaker 1: flashing lights, and you know you're bringing all the stuff
Speaker 1: that is unnatural. You know, you're beating the hoard's nest
Speaker 1: on purpose, and you're gonna have an experience. And most people,
Speaker 1: you know, they they're driving down the road and they're
Speaker 1: having a good time, and similar to what we were
Speaker 1: doing in the woods, but.
Speaker 3: Our good time was not intentional for bothering.
Speaker 1: There are researchers that go up there and they they
Speaker 1: for the purpose of research to gather information. That's what happens.
Speaker 1: They instigate it, and then the story happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like we're ruined anything that we touch,
Speaker 2: and we're going to pristine areas. Before you know what,
Speaker 2: there's trash laying around and we're cutting down trees. You
Speaker 2: can't really blame them for not wanting us to be around.
Speaker 2: That's understandable. If you've had a dog meaning encounter that
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Speaker 2: Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Earlier, you talked about the possibility
Speaker 2: that dogmen sometimes serve as guard dogs to keep people
Speaker 2: out of certain areas. Do you think the dog man
Speaker 2: you saw that day let you see it because it
Speaker 2: was trying to act as a guard dog, or do
Speaker 2: you think it allowed you to see it for some
Speaker 2: other reason.
Speaker 3: The guard dog wasn't that presence wasn't felt.
Speaker 1: I believe it allowed us to see it, because what
Speaker 1: I saw it was the rock that was thrown by
Speaker 1: the other being, the other sent and all the sasquatch
Speaker 1: that was in the woods that I did not see
Speaker 1: that my wife did see she did not see what
Speaker 1: I saw, the dog Man entity what I originally called
Speaker 1: the flicker eight because I didn't recognize it as being
Speaker 1: the dog Man.
Speaker 3: Until later. I believe that the rock is what allowed
Speaker 3: me to see it.
Speaker 1: It was there, but it kind of tried to go away,
Speaker 1: and I think that was the flickering that I was seeing.
Speaker 1: Was it trying to face but I was because I
Speaker 1: was in the cold plunge, which the cold plunging of
Speaker 1: water changes the way you see things, the way you
Speaker 1: perceive the world around you. It's just a physiological thing
Speaker 1: that happens to the body. And I also believe that's
Speaker 1: kind of what attributed to instead of just seeing a
Speaker 1: rock fall and then the creature behind the direction that
Speaker 1: the rock was given me. It was there as a
Speaker 1: silent observer because I've always been in the woods. And
Speaker 1: it's similar to Jane Goodall. You know, she's in the
Speaker 1: woods and she gains the trust of all the apes
Speaker 1: and eventually the apes, you know, interact with her. It
Speaker 1: was the same thing I believe happening here. I've always
Speaker 1: been a child of the woods. The woods has never
Speaker 1: been threatening to me at all ever, and that was
Speaker 1: the first time that I saw something beyond my recognition
Speaker 1: to categorize it as a man or bear or wolf
Speaker 1: or some creature that is a physical being.
Speaker 3: And I was seeing this in my waking mind.
Speaker 1: I wasn't drunk, wasn't on any type of illicit drugs.
Speaker 1: We were just having a good time swimming in the
Speaker 1: water and we saw what we saw. And I think
Speaker 1: this being that I saw is not per se the
Speaker 1: same being that's always been around, but it's a similar
Speaker 1: liminal energy that has always been next to me in
Speaker 1: the woods.
Speaker 3: So no, I did not see this as being a threat.
Speaker 2: Well good, Well, I'm sure that's one of the many
Speaker 2: reasons why you see that experience as a positive one.
Speaker 2: And that's a good thing. If you saw that dogman
Speaker 2: in that area that you and your wife liked to
Speaker 2: go to, and it sounds to me like, again, I
Speaker 2: don't want to put words into your mouth, but it
Speaker 2: sounds to me like, just like with Jing Goodall, wanting
Speaker 2: to spend time around chimps the way she did, to
Speaker 2: build a level of familiarity to the point where they
Speaker 2: would just start acting normal even though she was present.
Speaker 2: Listening to you say the things you've said tonight is
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why you go back to that
Speaker 2: area time and time again to build a level of
Speaker 2: familiarity with that dog mean you saw or is it
Speaker 2: for some other reason.
Speaker 1: Confirmation is the main reason I went back to that
Speaker 1: area after the experience. Now, prior to the experience we had,
Speaker 1: we would go back just to swim because we truly
Speaker 1: enjoyed those cold waters that we would swim in. And
Speaker 1: that was the only reason we went back to that
Speaker 1: area the second time and the last time that we
Speaker 1: went to that area. The second time was to offer
Speaker 1: our apologies for any transgressions that might have happened, so
Speaker 1: we didn't get the so called hitchhiker effect, which would
Speaker 1: be like the dog man staring in your window or
Speaker 1: you know, finding scratches, you know, on your car in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and not wondering where that
Speaker 1: came from. We went back to say our apologies, and
Speaker 1: the last time, the final time we went back, was
Speaker 1: to have a conformation that what happened there was real.
Speaker 1: And the confirmation was I was pushed off that rock
Speaker 1: and like fell backwards.
Speaker 3: But didn't hit any stone, didn't land on my butt.
Speaker 1: I recovered very easily, but I was pushed off that rock,
Speaker 1: and my wife heard the voices that were in the brush.
Speaker 1: There's nobody there, and it's miles and miles from any
Speaker 1: known like trail that you can get on, so we
Speaker 1: know when we hear people talking versus there's something there.
Speaker 1: It's just a there's a feeling that's inside of you.
Speaker 1: There's a feeling that the wood gives you that lets
Speaker 1: you know if there's people in the woods or there's
Speaker 1: something that you need to you need to leave. And
Speaker 1: this time the last time, I won't say it was
Speaker 1: a negative experience. It was just don't come back. You
Speaker 1: got your confirmation you need to stop bothering us. And
Speaker 1: that was what we got from that area is you
Speaker 1: know we're here, Go find yourself another swimming hole.
Speaker 3: Please. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When they want to get a message across, they're masters
Speaker 2: are doing that. They really are. If the dog man
Speaker 2: you saw was able to flicker the way it did,
Speaker 2: what do you think that dog man actually was a
Speaker 2: spiritual being or some flesh and blood creature that has
Speaker 2: special abilities.
Speaker 1: I believe at this point in with dog Man, over
Speaker 1: the centuries and the eons and the millions of years,
Speaker 1: that dog Man has been present on this plane of
Speaker 1: reality that we know.
Speaker 3: Dog Man might have walked with our ancestors.
Speaker 1: There's pictures you can go, there's etchings, there's drawings, there's
Speaker 1: lore of dog Man like side by side.
Speaker 3: With you know, humans.
Speaker 1: And the more you get closer to our time period
Speaker 1: now the story changes and it becomes more malicious.
Speaker 3: And then eventually, as we.
Speaker 1: Are in this time period now in the two thousands,
Speaker 1: dog Man is kind of phasing out of our reality.
Speaker 1: Instead of being flesh and bone, it's becoming.
Speaker 3: More serial liminal.
Speaker 1: And what I saw, I believe was because of where
Speaker 1: my state of mind was due to the cold plunging
Speaker 1: that was happening. We were doing what was called wim
Speaker 1: Hoff therapy, and wim Hoff is many people can look up,
Speaker 1: is the aficionado of cold therapy and breathing therapy, and
Speaker 1: it changes the way you see the world around you.
Speaker 1: And inadvertently, by practicing this so we could go to
Speaker 1: Washington it's women glacial waters and not have heart attacks,
Speaker 1: it opened our mind to see something and it wasn't
Speaker 1: on purpose. So we could see the dog manner sasquatch.
Speaker 1: We had no clue what we were looking at in
Speaker 1: any way, and I think what we saw was an
Speaker 1: instantaneous flash of a reality that exists around us at
Speaker 1: all times.
Speaker 2: Do you think that means that that dog man's able
Speaker 2: to access other dimensions? Or by it flickering in and
Speaker 2: out of existence here where we are, do you think
Speaker 2: that means something else?
Speaker 1: As for dimensions, I totally believe that's where this being exists,
Speaker 1: along with all the other liminal beings of folklore that
Speaker 1: are worldwide.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they can do. Then that would definitely
Speaker 2: explain a lot, it really would. Being as young as
Speaker 2: your daughter was when you had that encounter, are you
Speaker 2: glad the dog man being there is lost on her
Speaker 2: or do you wish you could compare notes with her
Speaker 2: on what you saw that day?
Speaker 1: It's pretty much gone out of her memory. She was
Speaker 1: a youngster and most kids of that age lose memory
Speaker 1: of whatever they see, So yeah, she doesn't remember any
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: It was just a happy day swimming in the woods.
Speaker 1: It kind of stayed like that, and she's not like
Speaker 1: apprehensive about it or anything like, I don't remember this,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just not there.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it just was a happy day swimming in
Speaker 2: the woods to her. But at times. Do you wish
Speaker 2: you could compare notes with her about the dog man
Speaker 2: being there? Are you glad?
Speaker 3: I'm glad.
Speaker 1: It's neither here nor there. It's just one of those
Speaker 1: memories that you know she doesn't have, and she might
Speaker 1: have later. It was same as we might not have
Speaker 1: remembered anything at.
Speaker 4: All, because for a year there was no memory of
Speaker 4: that instant happening until we made it to Washington, and
Speaker 4: it became by proxy of just being in Washington part
Speaker 4: of the sasquatch experience there and.
Speaker 1: Speaking with people and people, you know, wondering if I
Speaker 1: was looking at a juvenile sasquatch that it was protecting,
Speaker 1: or you know, just so many other stories, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of came out of the woodworks. And eventually, after
Speaker 1: going back and forth on this and running into other
Speaker 1: people and other researchers and other podcasters, it's becoming more
Speaker 1: apparent that it was a dog man that I experienced,
Speaker 1: and that the dog man has been around me my
Speaker 1: entire life, not really shaping just kind of walking side
Speaker 1: by side like a faithful dog in the woods, but
Speaker 1: not coming out like wagging its tail and chasing balls
Speaker 1: and doing anything else like that. It was just one
Speaker 1: of those beings that I always enter the woods with respect.
Speaker 1: The woods is full of medicine, the woods is full
Speaker 1: of stories, the woods is full of healing, and the
Speaker 1: woods can be full of just in reality.
Speaker 3: Mother Nature.
Speaker 1: She will take you out in a second without thinking
Speaker 1: or blinking or realizing sometimes that you're just part of
Speaker 1: the process. And there's been multitude of situations that I've
Speaker 1: been in the woods that I could have been taken
Speaker 1: out with the process. But I've never been taken out
Speaker 1: with the process because I believe that that shadow that
Speaker 1: I was allowed to see in the woods on June
Speaker 1: thirteenth of twenty twenty was part of what has always
Speaker 1: been in my life as a guardian in the woods.
Speaker 1: And that might go against all the dog Man theories
Speaker 1: of it being an absolute terror. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say about that. It's not like I'm being
Speaker 1: possessed by the dog Man or I'm you know, giving
Speaker 1: the message to humanity that the dog Man has to present,
Speaker 1: not being an advocate of dog Man, but also not being.
Speaker 3: You know, the hunter, the one that wants to go
Speaker 3: out and hunt dog Man to prove that it's an
Speaker 3: evil beast and have its head stuck on my wall.
Speaker 3: Dog man is a guardian, and as we all know canines,
Speaker 3: they are what they are. They can be feared or
Speaker 3: they can be loved.
Speaker 2: As you know, Joe, there are a lot of people
Speaker 2: out there who would envy you because you got to
Speaker 2: see that dog me in and of course there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people who would feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2: It really is funny how that works. It really is. Now.
Speaker 2: Seeing the dog mean is one thing, but having a
Speaker 2: sasquatch close enough to you at that time to be
Speaker 2: seen also, That really hints to me that the two
Speaker 2: just might have been working together. And with that in mind,
Speaker 2: do you think they.
Speaker 3: Were day that I have? I can ponder in both directions.
Speaker 3: There's two sides to all stories. It can be neither
Speaker 3: here nor there.
Speaker 1: There are some people that say that the stone was
Speaker 1: thrown so I could see the dog man before it
Speaker 1: jumped on me, and or that the stone was thrown
Speaker 1: so I could see what I saw and it was
Speaker 1: a confirmation of what I was about to go into
Speaker 1: when I went to Washington, and for me to bring
Speaker 1: back the knowledge not just for myself but to the
Speaker 1: entire community. And however it may pass, so before it
Speaker 1: gets all muddled and discompubulated. In my words, there's two
Speaker 1: sides to all stories. And I do know that I'm
Speaker 1: not going back there again. Other people can find it,
Speaker 1: however they may. I'm not giving exact directions to the place,
Speaker 1: but it's there, and if you're meant to go there,
Speaker 1: you'll find it. But if you go there and consistently
Speaker 1: poke the dog that lives there, you're gonna get pushed back,
Speaker 1: just like I did when I got pushed back on
Speaker 1: that rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully no one does find that, dear you, and
Speaker 2: wind up poking the beer. That wouldn't be good or
Speaker 2: a good idea.
Speaker 3: That's right, not at all.
Speaker 2: Now. You've mentioned your wife and the role that she
Speaker 2: played in what happened that day quite a bit here today,
Speaker 2: But I still don't know. Is she glad that she
Speaker 2: didn't see that dog me in or does she seem
Speaker 2: to be glad she is?
Speaker 1: Yep, she's absolutely glad that she did not see what
Speaker 1: I saw. There is some sort of sort of deep
Speaker 1: down aversion against having a dog man experience.
Speaker 3: She's not she's not ready for that to happen in
Speaker 3: her lives.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what they say, know thine own self.
Speaker 2: It's good that she does know herself well enough to
Speaker 2: know she couldn't handle that.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: You told us about the things you do to try
Speaker 2: to follow sasquatch etiquette. But are there certain things you
Speaker 2: do to try to find some kind of a dog
Speaker 2: mannetiquette when you're in the areas where they might be.
Speaker 5: That I'm still figuring out, because whatever I did when
Speaker 5: I went back to the to the experienced spot, I
Speaker 5: was out of place and.
Speaker 1: I got shown that I was out of place. Etiquette
Speaker 1: or the canine, I would suspect it would be the
Speaker 1: same as anything that we have that is solid existing
Speaker 1: being on this planet, which would be the wolf or
Speaker 1: any type of dog that's feral. Learn its ways, and
Speaker 1: pretty much the way of the wolf is you keep
Speaker 1: your distance away and you never look at it in
Speaker 1: the eye, always look away from it, and respect the
Speaker 1: fear that it puts into you when you feel it,
Speaker 1: just as you would do with any dog. You are
Speaker 1: you going to jump the fence when there's a pit
Speaker 1: bull on the other side, garden in the junkyard, No,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna look at it and maybe next time
Speaker 1: you come with a bone. But even if you give
Speaker 1: that dog a bone. If you jump over that fence,
Speaker 1: it's are going to get you. It's going to eat
Speaker 1: the bone too, but it's going to get you. So
Speaker 1: if that could be like somehow translated into dog man etiquette,
Speaker 1: and there should be no reason people are looking for
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 2: I like the examples you give when it comes to
Speaker 2: dog men. It does seem like common sense would be
Speaker 2: pretty much the only thing you would need to know
Speaker 2: to follow some kind of dog man etiquette, if there
Speaker 2: is such a thing. Have the Native Americans who told
Speaker 2: you about the stick Indians ever told you about face
Speaker 2: eaters at all?
Speaker 1: No, that's that's never that, that's a new one. Face eaters. Nope,
Speaker 1: I have not heard of face eaters.
Speaker 3: Face eaters.
Speaker 2: They have other names too. Some people call them gugway.
Speaker 2: Other people call them type three dog men. They are
Speaker 2: purported to be really dangerous. They can look a lot
Speaker 2: like sad watch, but they have claws and they have
Speaker 2: sharp teeth. Some people say they don't always have claws,
Speaker 2: but every case I've ever heard about had them having claws.
Speaker 2: But in certain regions, if you ask about dog men,
Speaker 2: that's what people will think of. They don't think about
Speaker 2: what we're talking about tonight with the Candid style legs.
Speaker 2: They think about type threes face eaters with Rahamanid style legs.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wasn't sure if you'd heard about them
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: I have myself.
Speaker 1: I've developed a similar theory, but I never called them
Speaker 1: face eaters. There's the name that keeps on rising up
Speaker 1: in my own research, and it's a Varger and it's
Speaker 1: a v A R g R. And that came about
Speaker 1: while I was making discussions with dog Man.
Speaker 3: Tpe Hunter Phil from the UK.
Speaker 1: And Burger came from the message I was given about
Speaker 1: the Canter's prayer and I looked up Burger and Burger
Speaker 1: is if there's particular Sasquatch clans, not all of them all.
Speaker 1: There's many different types and variations, but there's a particular
Speaker 1: clan that when they're on their life cycle, their journey,
Speaker 1: they gather weight. And when people find the Sasquatch footprints,
Speaker 1: that is the last moment the Sasquatch has in this reality,
Speaker 1: this plane of existence, but it's carrying.
Speaker 3: The world, the way to the world.
Speaker 1: In its very being, and the imprint is the last thing,
Speaker 1: the last thing that is left before the sasquatch starts
Speaker 1: to cycle back over again, what I call the unraveling,
Speaker 1: and then it emerges somewhere in the forest again out
Speaker 1: of the fog. I'm not sure the process, but no
Speaker 1: one has ever found remains, no bones, no flesh, no
Speaker 1: dead bodies of a sasquatch. So there has to be
Speaker 1: a different type of cycle that these beings go through.
Speaker 1: And there is an interruption that happens sometimes, and this
Speaker 1: is due to human influence, whether it's innocent bystanders researchers.
Speaker 1: Squatch becomes attracted to campgrounds, it becomes like the trash bear.
Speaker 1: There's an interruption in that being's life cycle and it
Speaker 1: misses the chance to unravel and started cycle over again
Speaker 1: as a forrest guardian, because it's being influenced by human
Speaker 1: activity around it.
Speaker 3: Whether it's intentional or non intentional.
Speaker 1: The particular clans, they become like the face eater, which
Speaker 1: I called the barker, and they can be misidentified as
Speaker 1: a dog man. And I've came to the belief that
Speaker 1: it's not the sasquatch that trans forms into the dog man.
Speaker 1: There is the dog man entity, the energy, the archetype,
Speaker 1: the liminal being is already in the woods and they
Speaker 1: kind of meld together and become this other being which
Speaker 1: you referred to as the face eater.
Speaker 3: And that's what people are explaining.
Speaker 1: And this is the first time I've ever heard of
Speaker 1: this from another individual because I've kept this theory about
Speaker 1: how the sasquatch and dog man can like become one until.
Speaker 3: They stop getting bothered.
Speaker 2: It just seems so counterintuitive to ever bother something like that.
Speaker 2: It's so formidable, but people do all sorts of crazy things,
Speaker 2: things I just never will understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred pounds being in the middle of the
Speaker 1: woods that could pick up a current throw why somebody,
Speaker 1: It's just who we are. We need humans need to
Speaker 1: see what's hiding in the shadows, and we're very attracted
Speaker 1: to what scares us, or what can be uncovered, or
Speaker 1: the oral traditions of stories that.
Speaker 3: Have never been told. And what's the most memoriable thing
Speaker 3: about going camping. It's the scary campfire story. And that's where.
Speaker 1: There's the intersection between humans in the liminal existence. So
Speaker 1: we might not ever find evidence, but we always have
Speaker 1: the experience that can't be explained.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's always going to be that way, and
Speaker 2: of course, touching on what you said just a moment ago,
Speaker 2: we always have to poke the beer. That's just part
Speaker 2: of human nature, Joe. If any of the listeners who've
Speaker 2: had a dog me on sideing will like to contact
Speaker 2: you to share their sightings with you, what's the best
Speaker 2: way for them to do that.
Speaker 1: They can go onto my Facebook and look for uncanny
Speaker 1: Crypti cartographer and it's a mouthful, but it's on there,
Speaker 1: and they can contact me through there, or look on
Speaker 1: my Facebook job ass and then there's the group that's
Speaker 1: linked to me. That's the best way they can find.
Speaker 1: And it needs to be known that the best thing
Speaker 1: for me to do for them to do is if
Speaker 1: they could give me a coordinate of where this was seen.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be the exact coordinate. I know
Speaker 1: that that secrecy is a very necessary thing in a
Speaker 1: lot of people's lives because people are scared. They don't
Speaker 1: want other people going out there. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving up where experience was because one, I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid that people will go out there and ruin everything
Speaker 1: and trash it. I'm worried that someone will go out
Speaker 1: there and have a very negative experience that I was
Speaker 1: not intending for them to have. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to be responsible for anybody's safety when they go out
Speaker 1: to have their own research experiences. So I want to
Speaker 1: give to the public that if they don't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: giving me the location, that's fine. They can share a story.
Speaker 1: They can give me a general idea that if they
Speaker 1: live in Ohio or if they live in California, just
Speaker 1: give me a mountain or something a land form of
Speaker 1: where this experience happened. Because the geographic area the way
Speaker 1: I do my research points to a lot of things
Speaker 1: that people can see if they know what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: And that's what I use my in depth knowledge of
Speaker 1: and then partial its instinct others. It's the way knowledge
Speaker 1: comes to me is so random that I can't really
Speaker 1: put my finger on how I can put my finger
Speaker 1: on things and locate things and give descriptions for things
Speaker 1: that can be.
Speaker 3: I would say ninety eight percent correct.
Speaker 1: And that's how I help people identify what they're experiencing
Speaker 1: and not have them be doing something else that might
Speaker 1: cause them harm or the environment that they're living in harm.
Speaker 2: You might not be able to explain how you do that,
Speaker 2: but sounds like gift, and you should be glad to
Speaker 2: have that gift.
Speaker 3: Thank you. You had the same gift pick well.
Speaker 2: Thank you, but I definitely don't have that gift. It's
Speaker 2: awfully nice of you to say, though. Before I ask
Speaker 2: you for your closing comments, Joe, please plug your show
Speaker 2: for us one more time and tell us how we
Speaker 2: can listen to it.
Speaker 1: The show is still in development and that's where I
Speaker 1: need to It's on pause at the moment. I'm still
Speaker 1: developing my YouTube show. It's more focused on the Facebook
Speaker 1: group at this time, and if you can catch me
Speaker 1: on other podcasts with other podcasters at the moment, that
Speaker 1: is where the listeners can find me. Similar to you know,
Speaker 1: Liminal being that's in the woods, You're going to have
Speaker 1: to follow breadcrumbs to follow the Uncanny Cryptic Cartographer because
Speaker 1: technical difficulties and glitches tend to happen that have blocked
Speaker 1: me to creating a substantial network when it comes to
Speaker 1: digital communication such as podcast. So far, I've been able
Speaker 1: to get away with the Uncanny Cryptic Cartographer, and as
Speaker 1: we had discussed before, there have been other remnant things
Speaker 1: that happened that kind of put blocks up so far,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out what those digital glitches
Speaker 1: are that stop me from expressing my story in a
Speaker 1: format such as this.
Speaker 2: Wow, Joe, it's hard enough to do what you do
Speaker 2: as it is. I'm so sorry to hear about the glitches.
Speaker 2: I just hope they stop soon. Yeah, yeah, that'd be
Speaker 2: really nice. Well, before we get out of here, do
Speaker 2: you have any clothing comments you want to put out
Speaker 2: there for us?
Speaker 3: Those in comment for those individuals and that search for
Speaker 3: dog Man, to keep an open mind, treats in your pocket,
Speaker 3: and keep to your side of the fence, and know
Speaker 3: when to go home.
Speaker 2: Those are good words of wisdom. And it's clear you
Speaker 2: put a lot of thought into this, Joe. This has
Speaker 2: been a lot of fun. It really has. Please remember,
Speaker 2: if I can never help you out in the future,
Speaker 2: just let me know and I'll be there for you.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you Vick and saying to you, oh.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and I'll keep that in mind. But
Speaker 2: having said that, thanks again so much for your time,
Speaker 2: and have a great night.