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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Joe Bass. Joe,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Vick Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for your time. Joe,

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please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 3: Brief bio. My name is Joe Bass.

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Speaker 1: I am founder of Uncanny Cryptid Cartographer. I am about

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fifty five years old and very much I'm backwoods apple Achian, bushcrafter,

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cryptid believer, lover of the woods, lover of the environment.

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Speaker 3: And we can get into the rest lighter.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a plan. Yeah, we definitely will get

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into the rest in a bid here. And when we

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spoke for the first time, you mentioned all the time

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you spent rooming around the mountains and the Appalachians having

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a ball. While I'm wondering you didn't know about dogmen

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back then. With that in mind, do you see that

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as a good thing looking back, or do you wish

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you would have known about dog men sharing those mountains

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with you? As you're rooming wild.

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Speaker 1: Dog Man at the point in my life was as

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far as I concerned, I really had never heard of it.

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Speaker 3: It was like the Werewolf of London, something on black

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and white movies.

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Speaker 1: That really was not something for me to be concerned about.

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I was a backwards man. The only thing to be

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really concerned about was people in the woods. Everything else

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I could take with a grain of salt or know

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how to navigate my way around it. So the dog

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man experience really wasn't there. Looking back at certain experiences,

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there could have been things that were on the liminal

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way that could have said that there might have been

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a dog man watching, or satsquatch watching, or some other

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sort of limital force creature that was there, like a

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small blip of a childhood experience which I never really

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thought about until now. I was riding my bike through

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the woods, and it was during the era where every

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kid had a Shwin banana seat bicycle, and that was

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like somewhere in the eighties, and I was in the

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woods myself, just riding my bike, and I heard something graul,

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like a real guttural growl, but it wasn't like anything

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I heard before, and I got like that dream terror

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type of feeling inside my gut and took off all

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of the woods with my bike. But I guess, as

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I continue to think about it and reflect, there are

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things that have happened, I guess my entire life, but

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nothing kind of solidified until it was June thirteenth, twenty twenty,

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and that was my experience that happened in the Appalachians

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in western North Carolina Tennessee border.

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Speaker 2: That changed everything. Now you look for them now, Joe,

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But do you think you would have looked for them

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back then when you were a kid, if you would

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have known about their existence. I don't know what kind

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of a kid you were. Some kids, if they would

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know about something like that, then heck yeah, they'd be

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looking for them at every opportunity. But other kids, they

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wouldn't even think about heading back into the mountains.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I would have tried to. I honestly

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think I would.

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Speaker 1: I would have tried to make friends with it, and

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I think I might have been I would have been

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becoming an annoyance to the dog man because I was

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that type of kid. I was always poking around looking

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for frogs or you know, catching snakes or sitting in

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the bush trying to attract the bird to come and

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sit on my shoulder. So I never really visualized anything

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as being the enemy animal or the predator. It was

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more along the track or Tom Brown, and I would

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follow his passion for nature and wildlife. So I think

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the fear that whatever this being is that likes to

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instill in people probably would have scared me the same

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way it scared me when I was on my bike

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riding trails in the woods.

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Speaker 3: It's that uncontrollable.

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Speaker 1: Get out that this being emanates.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's when I'm beginning to conclude it's kind of like

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a defense mechanism, like a skunk. You don't stick around

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and make friends with a skunk after it sprays you,

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So the dog man might have the same type of

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eminence around it that it creates that you really don't

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have a choice but to leave.

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Speaker 2: You just mentioned the fear that they tend to instill

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in us. With that in mind, pretty much anyone who

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knows anything about dog men has pretty strong opinions regarding

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the danger they present or the dangers that they don't present.

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If you bump into one. What are your thoughts on.

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Speaker 1: That bumping into one, well, I think before you bump

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into one, it already knows whether it wants to bump into.

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Speaker 3: You or not.

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Speaker 1: And my experience that I had in western North Carolina

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was kind of there was no bumping into I think

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it was there observing until we were made aware by

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another being that was there. And we can discuss that

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later as we move on through this. If you get

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too close to certain territorial things, these beings come from

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a very very ancient, ancient time, and some of them

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they've lost all like memory. They're kind of like they

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don't know who they are, but they still run on autopilot.

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And it's same as having a dog on the other

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side of the fence. If the fence is there, whether

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we can see it or not, the dog man will

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guard whatever is on the other side of the fence

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and it will instill that fear. But once that fence

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is removed by whomever, your mentality, your ignorance of being

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in the woods, you become invisible to the dog man.

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It's kind of like if you take the fence away

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from a junkyard dog. A junkyard dog doesn't really see

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you there. Its purpose is gone, but if there's something there,

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whether it's some ancient tribal memory or some other type

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of liminal barrier, the dog men will continue to be there,

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whether they're in America, Ireland, Africa, wherever they may be,

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or maybe encountered. These beings have been here for a

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very long time, and they're global.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the many funny things about these guys.

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So many people think if you're not around Michigan, if

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you're not around Wisconsin, you don't have to worry about

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running into one. But like you said, they really are

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all over. They definitely are. While investigating in a particular area,

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you found out about what locals in the area call

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night people. Please tell us more about that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's certain areas in Washington State and the natives

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that are in that area, and I need to be

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very careful how I speak about the native populations in

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that area. They hold everything extremely sacred and it's almost

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taboo to speak about certain things like this. So I'm

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going to touch it very lightly, not to insult anybody,

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and give them thanks for the stories that they have provided.

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The night people are the call them stick Indians, and

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these are beings that they're they're they're more of shadow.

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They're guardians of sacred areas, and they are very nocturnal,

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and they run trails, they run ridges, they run woods,

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they make particular sounds. They they cause people, they like

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escort people out of the woods. They can be mistaken

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as the sasquatch by a lot of researchers are just

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casual experiencers that really don't know what they're experiencing. These

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are the night people, or others have called them the Channado.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I know about the night people.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible that the night people might be able

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to shape shift into the form of what looks like

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a dog men And sometimes when people go into areas

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that they're not welcome in the night people are actually

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behind it. It's not an actual dog man that's escorting

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them out.

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Speaker 3: That could be partial truth.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on that, but that's why I'm

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continuing my research.

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Speaker 3: Shape shifting. According to if you see a dog.

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Speaker 1: And upright by petal dog the size of a grizzly

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bear standing in a shadow off trail or in front

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of you or behind you backdrop by whatever light fog,

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it would be a very scary thing. To see, and

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in our own like primal consciousness, seeing a wolf on

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the trail is about the scariest thing a person can see.

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Speaker 2: It sure is, because back when we lived in caves,

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we've been programmed to be terrified of seeing anything like

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that out there in the wild. So yeah, it's no

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wonder that affects us the way it does. All right, Joe,

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please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us a

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real last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, every last detail. You got it, Ricky.

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Speaker 1: So there's experiences that can become dividing in everybody's life,

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and you can measure everything as either before or after.

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When you enter into this world, things completely become before

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or after. So it's kind of confusing, and this is

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my story to abate that confusion my family. There was

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a dividing line that happened on June thirteenth, twenty twenty

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deep inside in the Appalachian Cove along the North Carolina

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Tennessee border. It was in the middle of summer, similar

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to what's happening across the United States right now. It

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was ninety degrees, but in the forest it was a

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little bit cooler, especially along the stream that we knew

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so we drove several miles into the old Forest Service

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road until civilization completely disappeared. There's nothing, no people, no

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four wheelers, nothing, no cars, just dead end forest road.

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There's towering hardwoods. They're enclosed and by like a narrow valley,

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so it's kind of like you're driving into a cut

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between rocks and river and the stream is ice cold.

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It never chills down, it never it never heats up.

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It's always chilly. Pardon me. It's a hidden place and

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time absolutely slows down here. There's when you get into it.

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There's no reason to rush. It's just you make your

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day and however long it may be there, it seems

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like an entire lifetime that you're back in the woods.

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So my wife and I decided to take a cold

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plunge in this area while our daughter played nearby, and

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we laughed and splashed and let out loud instinctive whoops

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as the water shocked our bodies. So as a looking back,

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you know, I wondered if those natural whoops, as we

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all know sasquatch gets attracted by whoops, right, that we

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might have attracted what I refer my wife refers to

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is the sentinel of the woods and that was what

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through the rock. But before I get ahead of myself,

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here we were in this water and we were enjoying

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ourselves and it was just like the perfect family experience.

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And that's when everything changed because there was no silence

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of the woods. There was no os effect, and os

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effect means that's when the birds go quiet, and everything

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just kind of stopped. That did happen? A large rock

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crashed down into the creek, only a few yards downstream

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from where we stood, and that's when we stopped laughing.

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It was instantaneous guard up and party over. We were

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looking at the direction and my eyes locked onto a

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place where the rock had landed and beneath the shadow

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of the overhanging trees and behind what's called bee balm.

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It's this bright red, very scented type of flower that

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grows natively in the streams of North Carolina. Behind this,

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I could see what was There was a crouched creature.

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And it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a dog, it

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wasn't a person. I've been in the woods long enough

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to recognize what I'm looking at. This was covered in

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midnight black fur, and its muzzle was elongated but it

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wasn't like the bear brown. It was more of a black,

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more of a baboon type of muzzle, and the eyes

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were jet black too.

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Speaker 3: But it never rushed, it never lunched. It just simply watched,

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similar to like the Thinking Man. It just watched and

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it looked at me.

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Speaker 1: And my daughter had seen it at that moment, but

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since then she's completely forgotten the entire experience.

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Speaker 3: She was very young at that point.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I've never been able to explain

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this theodity, and I've never heard this in any dog

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man's story. It began to flicker. The closest comparison I

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can make, it almost looked how similar to the Star

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Wars holograms when they played Chester, when C three po

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put out the hologram of Princess Leah, it was similar

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to that. It's outline would shift in and out of view.

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But whether that appearance was caused by lighting, my perception

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or something I can't explain, I honestly don't know. I

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only know that it's exactly how I remember seeing it.

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So instinct took over at that point and it was

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pure adrenaline. I grabbed my daughter and I threw it

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across the stream. It wasn't like a lunge. It was

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like the stream was maybe three four feet wide. So

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I just threw it across the stream and toward the

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safety of my wife because she was already creating a

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safe place inside the truck, and we left immediately. The

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next thing either of us clearly remembers is driving down

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the mountain road talking about how refreshing the cold water

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was despite the summer heat, and we neither of us

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remembers discussing what happened at all.

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Speaker 3: It was completely blocked.

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Speaker 1: That missing piece of memory remains one of the strangest

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aspects of the entire experience.

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Speaker 3: That was.

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Speaker 1: We don't know why we couldn't remember. It was nearly

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a year or so that passed before we seriously talked

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about that afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: We were living in Washington State at that moment, and

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the whole reason why we were doing the cold plunging

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was to prepare our bodies for the cold waters of Washington,

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which we were going to go swim into glaciers. It

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had nothing to do with the doug Man, It had

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nothing to do with searching out sasquatch or any other

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limital creature. We just wanted to go swim in cold

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glacial waters of Washington State for the summer, that's all.

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And it led to this. And while we were in

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Washington State, we ran into other people that had Sasquatch experiences.

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Almost seemingly the entire state of Washington has sasquatch experiences.

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Or you stop at a gas station, someone is telling

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you about sasquatch. You know, welcome to Washington. Please share

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your sasquatch experience with us as you leave. So we were

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speaking to some people and we were telling them about

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our experience, and I was telling about how the rock

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landed and I saw the things crouching in the shadows,

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and my wife looked at me and she said, that's

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not what I saw. And that's when the other story

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came out. How she looked uphill towards the direction where

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she believed the rock was thrown from and hidden up

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in the laurels, which are thick. I mean, you can

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fallow off the side of a mountain if you hit

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a laurel, patrickal just bounce down because they're so thick

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and impenetrable. But what she saw up there was what

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she described what appeared to be a large, hairy brown boulder,

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and then it moved. She could see the dark skin

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beneath the hair. She could see the face. It was

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almost like it had like the dark gray, earthy green

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hunter type makeup on, but it was not makeup. And

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then it moved and she could see the eyes, and

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that's they were wet and they were reflective, and they

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were staring right back at her. As soon as the

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eye contact was made. She watched the figure slow like

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it swayed back and forth like all the other sasquatch

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experiences talk about, but we never really heard or kind

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of put two and two together, but it was very

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similar to a lot of other stories of experiences about

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the site's way back and forth. So that's when she

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decided to head for the truck. She wasn't telling me

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what she was seeing. I wasn't pointing to the thing.

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We all assumed we were seeing the same thing and

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having the same experience.

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Speaker 3: But she saw something which could be considered to be

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a sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: So that was the sentinel during the rock to give

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us attention that there was what I did not see.

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As a man, I did not know what I saw.

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I didn't say it was a baby sasquatch. I didn't

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say it was a hunter hiding in the woods, because

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the glitchy effect took that all the way. It took

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many other years of figuring out finally that I might

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have been looking directly at a dog man. And that's

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what I feel in my heart. So years later we

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came back, and this was last year, not this year.

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It was twenty five. We decided to go back. We

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came back to visit North Carolina and we went back

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to the site of the experience. That's when we had

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become familiar with liminal etiquette, which is, you know, a

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sasquatch etiquette. You bring in apple or you bring some sage,

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and you do a little ceremony of apologies. And when

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we did that, my wife kind of stayed back in

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the truck at that point. And when I said my

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apologies to whatever being that was there, there was a

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strong wind that blew through the cove, and there was

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a very loud trill whistle that followed with the wind.

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And when we heard that, that was our confirmation, and

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that timing caught our attention, and my wife, being who

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she is, she said, it's time to go now. And

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so we listened. Now on the third visit, which was

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this year, after coming back from Washington again, we go

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back fourth. We love Washington, we love the people there,

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we love the stories. We also loved North Carolina, and

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the traditions at the mountains hold here as well, so

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we feel connected coast to coast. The third visit, neither

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of us felt openly threatened, but both of us had

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the unmistakable feeling that we were being watched from somewhere

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beyond the forest. What we could see it wasn't welcoming.

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It was more like you walked into somebody's home, but

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everybody hid behind the furniture, but you knew.

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Speaker 3: They were there.

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Speaker 1: So I stood up on a large rock that was

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beside the creek, and my wife was over listening to

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something as well, and we're observing where we.

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Speaker 3: Had witnessed these two beings.

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Speaker 1: And there was this powerful shove that hit my chest

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and it forced me backwards, and so I kind of

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I basically fell off the rock, landed gracefully, but I

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turned around and my wife is like waving at me

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to basically get back into the vehicle. I didn't see anything,

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and I couldn't identify what caused it. But what she reported,

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She said she was hearing like indistinct voices that were

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coming from the surrounding vegetation. She couldn't distinguish the words,

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only what sounded like a quiet conversation hidden in the brush.

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But so once again we decided it was time to leave.

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There was no memory of life or anything else like that.

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And I really don't have like any type of need

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to go back to the spot again. And that's kind

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of what you experience when you get in these aspects

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that are unexplained.

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Speaker 3: You continue to wrestle with them or you make peace

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with them.

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Speaker 1: So with that, you know, I make no claim of

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possessing the definitive answer what was there.

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Speaker 3: I can only tell you what we remembered that single

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afternoon changed the direction of our lives.

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Speaker 1: What began as one unexplained encounter became years of research.

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She doesn't really want to bring that into our lives

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because of her being the protective mama bear that she is,

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But me being the individual that I am, I love

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the woods and everything it's in it. I also love

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history and regional folklore, indigenous oral traditions and what they

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have been publicly documented, like frontier journals, old newspaper archives,

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modern eye witness reports. So I searched for recurring patterns

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rather than just isolated stories. And you mentioned Michigan. There

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there is something in the Michigan, Wisconsin area that is

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attracting a lot of dog man stories, similar to the

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Land Between the Lakes area that is down here, same thing.

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So there's something there that I need to.

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Speaker 3: Focus on now.

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Speaker 1: As for my research, like I said, it expands beyond

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Appalachia into the Pacific, Northwest, Rocky Canada, Europe and elsewhere.

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I compare reports of sasquatch, large hated beings often referred

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to today as the dog man.

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Speaker 3: Others referred to them as like a Nubis.

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Speaker 1: Or there's other Greek stories that have dogs, or many

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other stories of just dog headed people.

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Speaker 3: So I look for those similarities.

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Speaker 1: Even in the movies, there's like with the Wolf and

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the Howling and the were Wolf of London and then

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the old timey Transylvania. There's there's truth, there's myth, and

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then there's just absolute human invention that comes from any

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of these. So this research eventually led me to the

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comparative mythology which I just went over, which falls into

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linguistics and religious traditions and humanity's oldest stories. I explored

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traditions from Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, the Minoan world, Celts, Norse

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cultures which north have lots of the wolf, the barker.

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The stories of the Canter's Prayer talks about this man

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that was a canter that was often some remote village

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and he's telling a story about his transformation into a wolf.

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And that was sent to me in a message on

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my website, not website, but my Facebook group Uncanny Crypto Cartographer,

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but it was deleted afterwards, and it was the Canter's prayer.

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And I studied that prayer and I could see how

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that could relate to stories of dog Man, but all

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the way back in the twelve hundreds.

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Speaker 3: So during that I.

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Speaker 1: Parallel my own knowledge, which is like the study of

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wildlife behavior, tracking, bushcraft survival, forestry, ecology and geology and

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landscape history.

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Speaker 3: I'm a steward of the.

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Speaker 1: Woods, and being a steward requires careful observation, and whenever possible,

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I look for ordinary explanations before considering the extraordinary ones.

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And that's why when I saw this being, I could

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look past all of the mimicry that could be involved,

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And honestly, I think that a lot of Sasquatch experiences

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there is a mimic in the woods that gives people

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what they want to hear. That mimic will give the

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fear that these people need to have to experience when

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they're in the woods. If you go out in the

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woods looking for the Boogeyman, you're going to find a boogeyman.

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However it may manifest for itself, and Lord help those

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people that go out into the woods looking for dog man.

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So over the years, I've interviewed researchers. I've connected with

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many researchers. I have.

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Speaker 3: Some ability to be able to find things on the map,

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see things in a way.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I do use technology as well, and I

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look at my maps, I look at the coordinates, and

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then I cross reference stories that are real to those

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coordinates and experiences that can be gathered almost instantaneously by

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the Internet. Most of us can do that, but there's

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those who can just mimic it, and then there's that

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can actually do what a lot of other people can't do.

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And I'm not claiming to be the absolute expert. Neither

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should anybody else that's in this field. These can be

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campfire stories, and they can be myth and lore and

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oral tradition, and it teaches about our sense of place,

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who we are as people, and how we respond to

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the world around us. So some people may conclude that

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our experiences have a conventional explanation. Others may believe it

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points towards something completely unknown and choose to keep it

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as there.

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Speaker 3: And I respect both perspectives.

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Speaker 1: But as for me, on June thirteenth and twenty twenty,

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that was the day my life work took a new direction.

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It's not a mission to convince the world that Dogman exists. Instead,

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it became a lifelong commitment of documenting witness accounts and

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preserving forgotten history, and discovering history that.

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Speaker 3: Might have not even been known completely bulldozed over.

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Speaker 1: Now, whatever the answers may ultimately be, I believe these

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accounts deserve thoughtful investigation rather than immediate dismissal. I will

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always return to the mountains with wonder, but I no

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longer walk into an old forest believing that we know

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everything that lives within it.

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Speaker 3: Thick and that's my story.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the heat wave that you said was

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going on when you had your encounter had anything to

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do with you having it.

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Speaker 3: No, the heat wave just drew us into the woods.

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Speaker 1: And it was at a special spot in the woods

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that we have always gone to.

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Speaker 3: I think from what my perspective is is we were.

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Speaker 1: On a path to go to Washington State, and Washington

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State being a very spiritual place, a very limited place,

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high concentrations of particular beings such as sasquatch. There are

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dog men up there, but they're a different type than

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the dog men in the Appalachian Mountains. The ones in

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Washington State are more refined, definitive, extremely territorial, but they're

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not seen very much, unlike the consistent stories that happened

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with the encounters of a more feral and wild type

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of dog man that are in the Appalachians.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that it was the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Ceremony, is the best way I could put it, the

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door opening for our entry into Washington State and to

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gain more knowledge to bring it back here and eventually

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lead us to this conversation that we're having here.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think it is that dog men in

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the Appalachian Mountains are more territorial than they are in other.

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Speaker 3: Areas population density.

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Speaker 1: That is, basically there are more people that are in

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on the eastern side of the United States, and the

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deeper you go into unpopulated areas, it's still densely populated

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00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:36,519
and they're very guarded. In the last remnant spaces. Versus

478
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:43,920
Washington State, there's millions of acres and barely one person

479
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:48,880
would step anywhere in those millions of acres for years,

480
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:56,400
So they could have entire regions to themselves for years

481
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,840
and not be bothered. And so it's kind of like

482
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:04,960
the deer here, I will say, the deer in the

483
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,519
eastern United States, when they see a person, they run,

484
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,960
They just they bolt. They see you, they run, they huff,

485
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,159
they stump, they're out of there. If you go out west,

486
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:22,559
especially in areas like Port Townshend, the deer are as

487
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:26,440
common as New York pigeons. They will sit in the

488
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,800
middle of the road, they will walk up to your car,

489
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,039
they will sit.

490
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: On your front porch. They're not afraid of you.

491
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: And it's due to the population.

492
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: There's not many people in Washington, so why would deer

493
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,880
have any fear of you. And it's the same way

494
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,239
with the dog man type there that they really have

495
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:53,840
no reason to show their territoriality because there's lines that

496
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,519
have divided that and people don't go into the woods

497
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,239
like they go into the woods here.

498
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: You go into the woods in Washington State, there's bears

499
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,519
and cougars and wolves, and there's things that can eat you.

500
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,719
You will disappear in the woods. There are so many

501
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,119
people that disappear in those woods comparable to the amount

502
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:20,360
of people that the most dangerous thing here is you

503
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,320
got people and snakes and maybe a.

504
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: Bear to hurt you in the woods, and just your

505
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:36,039
own indecisions and bad choices you make. So yeah, that's

506
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,280
that's how I see the reason dog Men is so

507
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,039
territorial of their places here.

508
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to put words into your mouth, but

509
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,119
it sounds like, and it would make really good sense

510
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,119
if this is what you're saying. It sounded to me

511
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,840
like you're saying that dog Men and the Appalachians are

512
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,519
more territorial because of all the people who are there

513
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:03,239
doing things that that perturbed them. And if that's the case,

514
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,079
what do you think it is that we do that

515
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,800
ticks them off more so than anything else.

516
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:16,119
Speaker 3: Well, we build, that's one thing. There's if you take

517
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:16,719
a look at.

518
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: The area that is wrought with tie all types of

519
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,360
dog man stories. Is Land between the Lakes that was

520
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,239
an old settlement until the Forest Service decided to take

521
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:34,599
it over or whatever service that happened there. The Tendency

522
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,599
Authority took it over and they kicked everybody out. But

523
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:47,960
it's population and settlement and disregard for sacred areas, and

524
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,599
that's you know, if you go into the woods and

525
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,559
you're looking to instigate, and you're going down a trail

526
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,360
and you're knocking on trees and you're screaming or you're

527
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,519
flashing lights, and you know you're bringing all the stuff

528
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,800
that is unnatural. You know, you're beating the hoard's nest

529
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,880
on purpose, and you're gonna have an experience. And most people,

530
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,280
you know, they they're driving down the road and they're

531
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,440
having a good time, and similar to what we were

532
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,719
doing in the woods, but.

533
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,599
Speaker 3: Our good time was not intentional for bothering.

534
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,559
Speaker 1: There are researchers that go up there and they they

535
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:36,440
for the purpose of research to gather information. That's what happens.

536
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,519
They instigate it, and then the story happens.

537
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like we're ruined anything that we touch,

538
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,280
and we're going to pristine areas. Before you know what,

539
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,079
there's trash laying around and we're cutting down trees. You

540
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:53,440
can't really blame them for not wanting us to be around.

541
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,679
That's understandable. If you've had a dog meaning encounter that

542
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,559
you need help dealing with, or if you'd like to

543
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,840
be a guest done the show, please go to Dogmanencounters

544
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,800
dot com and submit a report. If you've had a

545
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,960
bigfoot sighting, I'd like to be a guest on one

546
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,840
of my two big foot podcasts, please go to my

547
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,599
Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Earlier, you talked about the possibility

548
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,679
that dogmen sometimes serve as guard dogs to keep people

549
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:22,719
out of certain areas. Do you think the dog man

550
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,840
you saw that day let you see it because it

551
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,599
was trying to act as a guard dog, or do

552
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,440
you think it allowed you to see it for some

553
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:31,119
other reason.

554
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: The guard dog wasn't that presence wasn't felt.

555
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:46,639
Speaker 1: I believe it allowed us to see it, because what

556
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,599
I saw it was the rock that was thrown by

557
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:54,880
the other being, the other sent and all the sasquatch

558
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,559
that was in the woods that I did not see

559
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,519
that my wife did see she did not see what

560
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,559
I saw, the dog Man entity what I originally called

561
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,920
the flicker eight because I didn't recognize it as being

562
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,840
the dog Man.

563
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:16,639
Speaker 3: Until later. I believe that the rock is what allowed

564
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:17,199
me to see it.

565
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: It was there, but it kind of tried to go away,

566
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,440
and I think that was the flickering that I was seeing.

567
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,280
Was it trying to face but I was because I

568
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,159
was in the cold plunge, which the cold plunging of

569
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,920
water changes the way you see things, the way you

570
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,519
perceive the world around you. It's just a physiological thing

571
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:44,880
that happens to the body. And I also believe that's

572
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,159
kind of what attributed to instead of just seeing a

573
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,119
rock fall and then the creature behind the direction that

574
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:57,639
the rock was given me. It was there as a

575
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,639
silent observer because I've always been in the woods. And

576
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,199
it's similar to Jane Goodall. You know, she's in the

577
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,880
woods and she gains the trust of all the apes

578
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,840
and eventually the apes, you know, interact with her. It

579
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,760
was the same thing I believe happening here. I've always

580
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,239
been a child of the woods. The woods has never

581
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,000
been threatening to me at all ever, and that was

582
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:31,239
the first time that I saw something beyond my recognition

583
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,159
to categorize it as a man or bear or wolf

584
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,320
or some creature that is a physical being.

585
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,519
Speaker 3: And I was seeing this in my waking mind.

586
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,559
Speaker 1: I wasn't drunk, wasn't on any type of illicit drugs.

587
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,159
We were just having a good time swimming in the

588
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:59,440
water and we saw what we saw. And I think

589
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,159
this being that I saw is not per se the

590
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:06,719
same being that's always been around, but it's a similar

591
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,639
liminal energy that has always been next to me in

592
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:11,119
the woods.

593
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: So no, I did not see this as being a threat.

594
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,679
Speaker 2: Well good, Well, I'm sure that's one of the many

595
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,639
reasons why you see that experience as a positive one.

596
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,480
And that's a good thing. If you saw that dogman

597
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:27,840
in that area that you and your wife liked to

598
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,719
go to, and it sounds to me like, again, I

599
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,280
don't want to put words into your mouth, but it

600
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,880
sounds to me like, just like with Jing Goodall, wanting

601
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,079
to spend time around chimps the way she did, to

602
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,239
build a level of familiarity to the point where they

603
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,079
would just start acting normal even though she was present.

604
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,119
Listening to you say the things you've said tonight is

605
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:53,880
one of the reasons why you go back to that

606
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,159
area time and time again to build a level of

607
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,440
familiarity with that dog mean you saw or is it

608
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,320
for some other reason.

609
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: Confirmation is the main reason I went back to that

610
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,000
area after the experience. Now, prior to the experience we had,

611
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,519
we would go back just to swim because we truly

612
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,800
enjoyed those cold waters that we would swim in. And

613
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,039
that was the only reason we went back to that

614
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,039
area the second time and the last time that we

615
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,599
went to that area. The second time was to offer

616
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:34,480
our apologies for any transgressions that might have happened, so

617
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:38,119
we didn't get the so called hitchhiker effect, which would

618
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,639
be like the dog man staring in your window or

619
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,239
you know, finding scratches, you know, on your car in

620
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,480
the middle of the night and not wondering where that

621
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:52,599
came from. We went back to say our apologies, and

622
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,199
the last time, the final time we went back, was

623
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:05,199
to have a conformation that what happened there was real.

624
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,480
And the confirmation was I was pushed off that rock

625
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:17,159
and like fell backwards.

626
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,079
Speaker 3: But didn't hit any stone, didn't land on my butt.

627
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I recovered very easily, but I was pushed off that rock,

628
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,320
and my wife heard the voices that were in the brush.

629
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,639
There's nobody there, and it's miles and miles from any

630
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,360
known like trail that you can get on, so we

631
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,760
know when we hear people talking versus there's something there.

632
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,079
It's just a there's a feeling that's inside of you.

633
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,119
There's a feeling that the wood gives you that lets

634
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,000
you know if there's people in the woods or there's

635
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,480
something that you need to you need to leave. And

636
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,840
this time the last time, I won't say it was

637
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:08,400
a negative experience. It was just don't come back. You

638
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,079
got your confirmation you need to stop bothering us. And

639
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,559
that was what we got from that area is you

640
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,559
know we're here, Go find yourself another swimming hole.

641
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:22,119
Speaker 3: Please. Yeah.

642
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: When they want to get a message across, they're masters

643
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,480
are doing that. They really are. If the dog man

644
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,719
you saw was able to flicker the way it did,

645
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,079
what do you think that dog man actually was a

646
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:38,039
spiritual being or some flesh and blood creature that has

647
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:39,199
special abilities.

648
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:47,159
Speaker 1: I believe at this point in with dog Man, over

649
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,079
the centuries and the eons and the millions of years,

650
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,159
that dog Man has been present on this plane of

651
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:54,280
reality that we know.

652
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: Dog Man might have walked with our ancestors.

653
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: There's pictures you can go, there's etchings, there's drawings, there's

654
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,800
lore of dog Man like side by side.

655
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: With you know, humans.

656
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:17,199
Speaker 1: And the more you get closer to our time period

657
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,599
now the story changes and it becomes more malicious.

658
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: And then eventually, as we.

659
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,079
Speaker 1: Are in this time period now in the two thousands,

660
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:37,039
dog Man is kind of phasing out of our reality.

661
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,159
Instead of being flesh and bone, it's becoming.

662
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,199
Speaker 3: More serial liminal.

663
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: And what I saw, I believe was because of where

664
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,159
my state of mind was due to the cold plunging

665
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:01,280
that was happening. We were doing what was called wim

666
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,760
Hoff therapy, and wim Hoff is many people can look up,

667
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:13,199
is the aficionado of cold therapy and breathing therapy, and

668
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,480
it changes the way you see the world around you.

669
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,920
And inadvertently, by practicing this so we could go to

670
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,119
Washington it's women glacial waters and not have heart attacks,

671
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,679
it opened our mind to see something and it wasn't

672
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,639
on purpose. So we could see the dog manner sasquatch.

673
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,239
We had no clue what we were looking at in

674
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:44,679
any way, and I think what we saw was an

675
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:49,920
instantaneous flash of a reality that exists around us at

676
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,480
all times.

677
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you think that means that that dog man's able

678
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,760
to access other dimensions? Or by it flickering in and

679
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,960
out of existence here where we are, do you think

680
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,039
that means something else?

681
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:11,199
Speaker 1: As for dimensions, I totally believe that's where this being exists,

682
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,599
along with all the other liminal beings of folklore that

683
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:18,639
are worldwide.

684
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,079
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they can do. Then that would definitely

685
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:25,039
explain a lot, it really would. Being as young as

686
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,760
your daughter was when you had that encounter, are you

687
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,239
glad the dog man being there is lost on her

688
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:32,519
or do you wish you could compare notes with her

689
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,800
on what you saw that day?

690
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,639
Speaker 1: It's pretty much gone out of her memory. She was

691
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:44,440
a youngster and most kids of that age lose memory

692
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:50,239
of whatever they see, So yeah, she doesn't remember any

693
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,760
of it.

694
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 3: It was just a happy day swimming in the woods.

695
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:58,519
Speaker 1: It kind of stayed like that, and she's not like

696
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,360
apprehensive about it or anything like, I don't remember this,

697
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,119
it's just it's just not there.

698
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm glad it just was a happy day swimming in

699
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,199
the woods to her. But at times. Do you wish

700
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,280
you could compare notes with her about the dog man

701
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,599
being there? Are you glad?

702
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: I'm glad.

703
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: It's neither here nor there. It's just one of those

704
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,360
memories that you know she doesn't have, and she might

705
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,920
have later. It was same as we might not have

706
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,440
remembered anything at.

707
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 4: All, because for a year there was no memory of

708
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:39,760
that instant happening until we made it to Washington, and

709
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,960
it became by proxy of just being in Washington part

710
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,719
of the sasquatch experience there and.

711
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Speaking with people and people, you know, wondering if I

712
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:56,880
was looking at a juvenile sasquatch that it was protecting,

713
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,280
or you know, just so many other stories, you know,

714
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:05,199
kind of came out of the woodworks. And eventually, after

715
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,000
going back and forth on this and running into other

716
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:15,079
people and other researchers and other podcasters, it's becoming more

717
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:18,679
apparent that it was a dog man that I experienced,

718
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,679
and that the dog man has been around me my

719
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,039
entire life, not really shaping just kind of walking side

720
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,639
by side like a faithful dog in the woods, but

721
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,079
not coming out like wagging its tail and chasing balls

722
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,880
and doing anything else like that. It was just one

723
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:45,719
of those beings that I always enter the woods with respect.

724
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:49,039
The woods is full of medicine, the woods is full

725
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:53,480
of stories, the woods is full of healing, and the

726
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,079
woods can be full of just in reality.

727
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,119
Speaker 3: Mother Nature.

728
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: She will take you out in a second without thinking

729
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,840
or blinking or realizing sometimes that you're just part of

730
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:16,039
the process. And there's been multitude of situations that I've

731
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,320
been in the woods that I could have been taken

732
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,159
out with the process. But I've never been taken out

733
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:30,039
with the process because I believe that that shadow that

734
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:34,239
I was allowed to see in the woods on June

735
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,800
thirteenth of twenty twenty was part of what has always

736
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,360
been in my life as a guardian in the woods.

737
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,280
And that might go against all the dog Man theories

738
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,119
of it being an absolute terror. Well, I don't know

739
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,199
what to say about that. It's not like I'm being

740
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,960
possessed by the dog Man or I'm you know, giving

741
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:07,119
the message to humanity that the dog Man has to present,

742
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:11,719
not being an advocate of dog Man, but also not being.

743
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: You know, the hunter, the one that wants to go

744
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,159
out and hunt dog Man to prove that it's an

745
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,760
evil beast and have its head stuck on my wall.

746
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,920
Dog man is a guardian, and as we all know canines,

747
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,880
they are what they are. They can be feared or

748
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,679
they can be loved.

749
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,679
Speaker 2: As you know, Joe, there are a lot of people

750
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,079
out there who would envy you because you got to

751
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,320
see that dog me in and of course there are

752
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,159
a lot of people who would feel sorry for you.

753
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,599
It really is funny how that works. It really is. Now.

754
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:49,320
Seeing the dog mean is one thing, but having a

755
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,400
sasquatch close enough to you at that time to be

756
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:55,760
seen also, That really hints to me that the two

757
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,960
just might have been working together. And with that in mind,

758
00:55:59,199 --> 00:55:59,800
do you think they.

759
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,639
Speaker 3: Were day that I have? I can ponder in both directions.

760
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,920
There's two sides to all stories. It can be neither

761
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,960
here nor there.

762
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,639
Speaker 1: There are some people that say that the stone was

763
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,679
thrown so I could see the dog man before it

764
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,000
jumped on me, and or that the stone was thrown

765
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,800
so I could see what I saw and it was

766
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,079
a confirmation of what I was about to go into

767
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:36,599
when I went to Washington, and for me to bring

768
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:40,920
back the knowledge not just for myself but to the

769
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:45,400
entire community. And however it may pass, so before it

770
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:52,239
gets all muddled and discompubulated. In my words, there's two

771
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:59,000
sides to all stories. And I do know that I'm

772
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,880
not going back there again. Other people can find it,

773
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,519
however they may. I'm not giving exact directions to the place,

774
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,000
but it's there, and if you're meant to go there,

775
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,199
you'll find it. But if you go there and consistently

776
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,360
poke the dog that lives there, you're gonna get pushed back,

777
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,679
just like I did when I got pushed back on

778
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:23,119
that rock.

779
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:26,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully no one does find that, dear you, and

780
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:29,000
wind up poking the beer. That wouldn't be good or

781
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:29,719
a good idea.

782
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: That's right, not at all.

783
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: Now. You've mentioned your wife and the role that she

784
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,599
played in what happened that day quite a bit here today,

785
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:42,079
But I still don't know. Is she glad that she

786
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,920
didn't see that dog me in or does she seem

787
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,400
to be glad she is?

788
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: Yep, she's absolutely glad that she did not see what

789
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,440
I saw. There is some sort of sort of deep

790
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,840
down aversion against having a dog man experience.

791
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:10,079
Speaker 3: She's not she's not ready for that to happen in

792
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:11,199
her lives.

793
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, you know what they say, know thine own self.

794
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:16,440
It's good that she does know herself well enough to

795
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,719
know she couldn't handle that.

796
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:19,199
Speaker 3: That's right.

797
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,239
Speaker 2: You told us about the things you do to try

798
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,559
to follow sasquatch etiquette. But are there certain things you

799
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:28,960
do to try to find some kind of a dog

800
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,239
mannetiquette when you're in the areas where they might be.

801
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 5: That I'm still figuring out, because whatever I did when

802
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,039
I went back to the to the experienced spot, I

803
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,960
was out of place and.

804
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: I got shown that I was out of place. Etiquette

805
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,920
or the canine, I would suspect it would be the

806
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,920
same as anything that we have that is solid existing

807
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:11,199
being on this planet, which would be the wolf or

808
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:17,760
any type of dog that's feral. Learn its ways, and

809
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:22,920
pretty much the way of the wolf is you keep

810
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,360
your distance away and you never look at it in

811
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:33,000
the eye, always look away from it, and respect the

812
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:39,920
fear that it puts into you when you feel it,

813
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,079
just as you would do with any dog. You are

814
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,119
you going to jump the fence when there's a pit

815
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:49,440
bull on the other side, garden in the junkyard, No,

816
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:53,039
you're just gonna look at it and maybe next time

817
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,159
you come with a bone. But even if you give

818
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,320
that dog a bone. If you jump over that fence,

819
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:01,920
it's are going to get you. It's going to eat

820
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,960
the bone too, but it's going to get you. So

821
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:14,000
if that could be like somehow translated into dog man etiquette,

822
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,199
and there should be no reason people are looking for

823
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:16,599
this thing.

824
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:20,719
Speaker 2: I like the examples you give when it comes to

825
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,239
dog men. It does seem like common sense would be

826
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,199
pretty much the only thing you would need to know

827
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,800
to follow some kind of dog man etiquette, if there

828
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,519
is such a thing. Have the Native Americans who told

829
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,360
you about the stick Indians ever told you about face

830
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,559
eaters at all?

831
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:44,159
Speaker 1: No, that's that's never that, that's a new one. Face eaters. Nope,

832
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,159
I have not heard of face eaters.

833
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:48,079
Speaker 3: Face eaters.

834
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: They have other names too. Some people call them gugway.

835
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,559
Other people call them type three dog men. They are

836
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:59,400
purported to be really dangerous. They can look a lot

837
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,360
like sad watch, but they have claws and they have

838
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,599
sharp teeth. Some people say they don't always have claws,

839
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,679
but every case I've ever heard about had them having claws.

840
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:14,159
But in certain regions, if you ask about dog men,

841
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:17,800
that's what people will think of. They don't think about

842
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,440
what we're talking about tonight with the Candid style legs.

843
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,840
They think about type threes face eaters with Rahamanid style legs.

844
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,599
But yeah, I wasn't sure if you'd heard about them

845
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:28,920
or not.

846
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: I have myself.

847
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:37,119
Speaker 1: I've developed a similar theory, but I never called them

848
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:44,480
face eaters. There's the name that keeps on rising up

849
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,320
in my own research, and it's a Varger and it's

850
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:53,320
a v A R g R. And that came about

851
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,800
while I was making discussions with dog Man.

852
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 3: Tpe Hunter Phil from the UK.

853
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: And Burger came from the message I was given about

854
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:19,039
the Canter's prayer and I looked up Burger and Burger

855
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:28,239
is if there's particular Sasquatch clans, not all of them all.

856
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:34,440
There's many different types and variations, but there's a particular

857
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:42,480
clan that when they're on their life cycle, their journey,

858
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:52,920
they gather weight. And when people find the Sasquatch footprints,

859
01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:02,280
that is the last moment the Sasquatch has in this reality,

860
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,000
this plane of existence, but it's carrying.

861
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,599
Speaker 3: The world, the way to the world.

862
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: In its very being, and the imprint is the last thing,

863
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:20,239
the last thing that is left before the sasquatch starts

864
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:23,159
to cycle back over again, what I call the unraveling,

865
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:29,000
and then it emerges somewhere in the forest again out

866
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:32,440
of the fog. I'm not sure the process, but no

867
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,079
one has ever found remains, no bones, no flesh, no

868
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:41,519
dead bodies of a sasquatch. So there has to be

869
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,239
a different type of cycle that these beings go through.

870
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:51,840
And there is an interruption that happens sometimes, and this

871
01:03:51,920 --> 01:04:00,000
is due to human influence, whether it's innocent bystanders researchers.

872
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:05,480
Squatch becomes attracted to campgrounds, it becomes like the trash bear.

873
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:16,559
There's an interruption in that being's life cycle and it

874
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,400
misses the chance to unravel and started cycle over again

875
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:32,800
as a forrest guardian, because it's being influenced by human

876
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:34,039
activity around it.

877
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 3: Whether it's intentional or non intentional.

878
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: The particular clans, they become like the face eater, which

879
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:50,840
I called the barker, and they can be misidentified as

880
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,239
a dog man. And I've came to the belief that

881
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:01,960
it's not the sasquatch that trans forms into the dog man.

882
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:09,440
There is the dog man entity, the energy, the archetype,

883
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:14,800
the liminal being is already in the woods and they

884
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,000
kind of meld together and become this other being which

885
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:20,679
you referred to as the face eater.

886
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 3: And that's what people are explaining.

887
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,679
Speaker 1: And this is the first time I've ever heard of

888
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:30,559
this from another individual because I've kept this theory about

889
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:39,559
how the sasquatch and dog man can like become one until.

890
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,679
Speaker 3: They stop getting bothered.

891
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:46,639
Speaker 2: It just seems so counterintuitive to ever bother something like that.

892
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:51,079
It's so formidable, but people do all sorts of crazy things,

893
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:53,440
things I just never will understand.

894
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred pounds being in the middle of the

895
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:03,440
woods that could pick up a current throw why somebody,

896
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,679
It's just who we are. We need humans need to

897
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:10,960
see what's hiding in the shadows, and we're very attracted

898
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,960
to what scares us, or what can be uncovered, or

899
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,239
the oral traditions of stories that.

900
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: Have never been told. And what's the most memoriable thing

901
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:30,039
about going camping. It's the scary campfire story. And that's where.

902
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: There's the intersection between humans in the liminal existence. So

903
01:06:37,679 --> 01:06:40,880
we might not ever find evidence, but we always have

904
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,280
the experience that can't be explained.

905
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,719
Speaker 2: You're right, it's always going to be that way, and

906
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,280
of course, touching on what you said just a moment ago,

907
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,800
we always have to poke the beer. That's just part

908
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,760
of human nature, Joe. If any of the listeners who've

909
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,039
had a dog me on sideing will like to contact

910
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:01,039
you to share their sightings with you, what's the best

911
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:02,039
way for them to do that.

912
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,559
Speaker 1: They can go onto my Facebook and look for uncanny

913
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:14,960
Crypti cartographer and it's a mouthful, but it's on there,

914
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,800
and they can contact me through there, or look on

915
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,559
my Facebook job ass and then there's the group that's

916
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,679
linked to me. That's the best way they can find.

917
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:33,639
And it needs to be known that the best thing

918
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:38,920
for me to do for them to do is if

919
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,159
they could give me a coordinate of where this was seen.

920
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,440
It doesn't have to be the exact coordinate. I know

921
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,360
that that secrecy is a very necessary thing in a

922
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,559
lot of people's lives because people are scared. They don't

923
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:58,199
want other people going out there. Like I said, I'm

924
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:02,400
not giving up where experience was because one, I'm not

925
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,559
afraid that people will go out there and ruin everything

926
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,480
and trash it. I'm worried that someone will go out

927
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:13,280
there and have a very negative experience that I was

928
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,760
not intending for them to have. So I don't want

929
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,560
to be responsible for anybody's safety when they go out

930
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,039
to have their own research experiences. So I want to

931
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:28,119
give to the public that if they don't feel comfortable

932
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:31,600
giving me the location, that's fine. They can share a story.

933
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,119
They can give me a general idea that if they

934
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:38,479
live in Ohio or if they live in California, just

935
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:45,079
give me a mountain or something a land form of

936
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:52,239
where this experience happened. Because the geographic area the way

937
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,760
I do my research points to a lot of things

938
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:03,399
that people can see if they know what they're looking for.

939
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,560
And that's what I use my in depth knowledge of

940
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:14,960
and then partial its instinct others. It's the way knowledge

941
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,359
comes to me is so random that I can't really

942
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:25,119
put my finger on how I can put my finger

943
01:09:25,159 --> 01:09:29,880
on things and locate things and give descriptions for things

944
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:30,800
that can be.

945
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 3: I would say ninety eight percent correct.

946
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:43,319
Speaker 1: And that's how I help people identify what they're experiencing

947
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:49,640
and not have them be doing something else that might

948
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:55,560
cause them harm or the environment that they're living in harm.

949
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,399
Speaker 2: You might not be able to explain how you do that,

950
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,880
but sounds like gift, and you should be glad to

951
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,680
have that gift.

952
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:07,159
Speaker 3: Thank you. You had the same gift pick well.

953
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,239
Speaker 2: Thank you, but I definitely don't have that gift. It's

954
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:15,560
awfully nice of you to say, though. Before I ask

955
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you for your closing comments, Joe, please plug your show

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for us one more time and tell us how we

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can listen to it.

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Speaker 1: The show is still in development and that's where I

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need to It's on pause at the moment. I'm still

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developing my YouTube show. It's more focused on the Facebook

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group at this time, and if you can catch me

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on other podcasts with other podcasters at the moment, that

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is where the listeners can find me. Similar to you know,

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Liminal being that's in the woods, You're going to have

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to follow breadcrumbs to follow the Uncanny Cryptic Cartographer because

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technical difficulties and glitches tend to happen that have blocked

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me to creating a substantial network when it comes to

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digital communication such as podcast. So far, I've been able

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to get away with the Uncanny Cryptic Cartographer, and as

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we had discussed before, there have been other remnant things

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that happened that kind of put blocks up so far,

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and I'm trying to figure out what those digital glitches

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are that stop me from expressing my story in a

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format such as this.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Joe, it's hard enough to do what you do

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as it is. I'm so sorry to hear about the glitches.

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I just hope they stop soon. Yeah, yeah, that'd be

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really nice. Well, before we get out of here, do

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you have any clothing comments you want to put out

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there for us?

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Speaker 3: Those in comment for those individuals and that search for

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dog Man, to keep an open mind, treats in your pocket,

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and keep to your side of the fence, and know

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when to go home.

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Speaker 2: Those are good words of wisdom. And it's clear you

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put a lot of thought into this, Joe. This has

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been a lot of fun. It really has. Please remember,

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if I can never help you out in the future,

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just let me know and I'll be there for you.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Vick and saying to you, oh.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and I'll keep that in mind. But

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having said that, thanks again so much for your time,

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and have a great night.